[Call to Order] [00:00:08] >> WELCOME EVERYONE TO THE MARCH MEETING OF THE CLAY COUNTY [Pledge of Allegiance] PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR AGENDA, I WOULD ASK EVERYONE TO STAND FOR THE PLEDGE. MR. BOURRÉ. >> I AM GOING TO START WITH INTRODUCTIONS HERE OF WHO ALL IS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT. COMM COMMISSIONER PETE DAVIS, VICE CHAIR, MARY. I AM CHAIR BOURRÉ. BILLY GRAHAM. COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY GRIM. OH, JOE, SORRY, SKIPPED RIGHT OVER YOU. JOE ANZALONE. >> THANK YOU, RALPH. YOU MISS ONE MEETING FOR COVID AND COME BACK. >> THAT'S RIGHT. WE FORGET. SORRY. ALSO WE HAVE HERE TONIGHT MIKE BROWN CHIEF OF ZONING. SENIOR PLANNER BEHIND HIM. ON THIS SIDE, ASSISTANT COUNTY ATTORNEY CASS SI SMITH. AND SUREREES STEWART. AND TAKING MINUTES, HANNA TROWEL. WE WANT TO THANK CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR PROVIDING SECURITY. BEFORE WE GET INTO THIS, WE DID THE PLEDGE. I WOULD LIKE IF WE COULD TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. AND CONSIDER ISSUES WE ARE HAPPEN. I'LL BRING UP EUROPE RIGHT NOW. TAKE A MOMENT FOR THAT. PLEASE. OUR DECISIONS TONIGHT, OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. WILL GO TO THEM MARCH 22ND. THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT. THEIR MEETING STARTS 4:00 AFTERNOON. ANY ITEM YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ON. COMMENT CARDS IN THE VESTIBULE. IF YOU DO HAVE A CELL PHONE WITH YOU, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PUTTING IT ON VIBRATE. STAFF WILL GIVE US THE REPORT ON THE ITEM. WHEN STAFF IS DONE MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, THEN I WILL OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. APPLICANT WILL GET TO SPEAK IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, THEY CAN SPEAK. CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND A DECISION. WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE READY TO GO INTO AGENDA. [1.  Approval of Minutes] WE'LL START WITH APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM LAST MONTH. [00:05:07] ANY CORRECTIONS. THERE WAS ONE CORRECTION. SUZANNE DRIVER NOT SUZANNA. MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THE CORRECTION? MR. DAVISSON, MR. NORTON. ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE. OPPOSED. I AM GOING TO REARRANGE THIS AGENDA. WE HAVE THINGS WE WANT TO GET OUT OF THE WAY. FIRST ITEMS WE ARE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF ITEM NO. 1, THAT IS A PUBLIC COMMENT HEARING. I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THIS IS A COMMENT PERIOD. ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PERTINENT TO THIS BOARD BUT NOT ON THE AGENDA. SEEING NO ONE, I'LL CLOSE THAT. [1.  Public Hearing to consider LDC 2021-15. (M. Brown)] FIRST HEARING, PUBLIC COMMENT HEARING TO CONSIDER LDC 2021-15, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE TO CREATE REGIONAL EVENT VENUE, MR. BROWN? >> APPLICANT REQUESTED CONTINUATION OF THIS ITEM FOR -- STILL STAFF ARE WORKING ON THE WORDING. >> THANK YOU, ANYONE THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON ITEM NO. 1 SEEING NONE. OPEN THE HEARING AND CLOSE. MOTION TO CONTINUE? >> MOTION TO CONTINUE. MOTION AND SECOND MISS BRIDGMAN. [5.  First Public Hearing to consider LDC-2021-14. (M. Brown)] THAT WILL COME UP NEXT MONTH. ITE ITEM{F5}LDC LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGE FOR MINIWAREHOUSE. MR. BROWN. >> APPLICANT RESPECT REQUESTED TO CONTINUE TO NEXT MONTH ON THIS ALSO. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? I'LL OPEN HEARING. CLOSE THE HEARING. I NEED A MOTION AGAIN. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. >> APRIL 5TH. OR SOONER. >> SECOND FROM MR. DAVIS. SEEING NO DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE? [6.  Public Hearing to consider REZ 2022-02. (District 4, Comm. Condon)(M. Brown)] AYE. NOW I AM GOING TO TAKE ON YOUR AGENDA IS ITEM 6. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZ 2022-02. REZONING APPLICATION TO CHANGE SINGLE 0.72 ACRE PARCEL RB TO RE. MISS BROWN IS THIS YOURS? >> CHAIRMAN, BOARD, APPLICATION REZ 2022-02. TY REQUEST TO CHANGE 0.72 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED 6244 OVERLAND DRIVE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. DISTRICT 4. MARCH 22ND BY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. SINGLE PARCEL TOTALLY 0.72 ACRES. PLATTED RECORDED 1970. EXISTING RB ZONING DISTRICT DOES NOT ALLOW MOBILE HOMES WHEREAS PROPOSED LET ME JUMP BACK ON THAT. TWO ZONING DISTRICTS VERY SIMILAR. PRIMARY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO DISTRICTS. [00:10:04] ONE OF THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCES. EXISTING ON THE PARCEL DOES NOT ALLOW FOR MOBILE HOMES. WHEREAS PROPOSED EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT MINIMUM LIVING AREA OF 1,000 SQUARE FEET. WHEREAS PROPOSED ZONING DISTRICT MINIMUM LIVING AREA, 750 SQUARE FEET FOR CONSTRUCTED DWELLING AND 600 SQUARE FEET FOR MOBILE HOME. ALLOWED IN THE LAND USE CATEGORY WHICH THE PROPERTY FALLS WITHIN. HERE SHOWS YOU THE ZONING. AND AN ARIAL. THERE IS VERY LIMITED DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR AREA. PAR PARCEL RV ZONING. RE ZONING REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT. REQUEST TO CHANGE RB TO RE. SUBDIVISION AND PROPOSED RE ZONING DISTRICT WOULD ALLOW FOR A MOBILE HOME TO BE PLACED ON A PARCEL WHICH OTHER PARCELS IN THE SAME SUBDIVISION WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF OVERLINE. IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A SMALLER LIVING AREA THAN REQUIRED FOR OTHER PARCELS SURROUNDING THIS PARCEL IN NORTH OF OVERLAND. PROPOSED RE ZONING DISTRICT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE CATEGORY. STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS DUE TO THE ALLOWANCE FOR MOBILE HOMES AND FOR A SMALLER LIVING AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION Z 22-02 FOR THOSE REASONS. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? >> I HAVE ONE, MR. CHAIR, I AM ASSUMING. PROPERLY NOTICED. SIGNS PROPERLY PLACED? YES. >> RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK? >> NO. HEARD NOTHING. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> YES, MR. DAVIS? >> THIS IS ONE LOT? >> YES. >> IT WAS TWO LOTS IN THE PAST. IT HAS BEEN COMBINED. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> OKAY. I AM GOING TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK THE APPLICANT IS AT THE MIC ALREADY. NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> TYRUS LOKHAM. 2510 NORTHEAST 20TH STREET >> DO YOU HAVE STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF YOUR APPLICATION? >> ALL LAND OUT THERE ALL MOBILE HOMES. DOWN THE ROAD SOMEONE ELSE'S RE. I AM NOT SEEING WHY IT IS DENIED. >> ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS? SEEING NONE, I AM GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. STAFF SAID THESE TWO LOTS COMBINED INTO A SINGLE LOT. >> YES. >> TALKING ONE LOT, NOT TWO? OTHER QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENTION OF MAYBE BUILDING A STICK BUILD HOUSE ON THAT PROPERTY? >> RIGHT NOW, I AM TRYING TO DO THE MOBILE HOME IN ANOTHER TWO OR THREE YEARS NOW SAVE MORE MONEY AND BUILD A HOUSE. [00:15:02] >> OKAY. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT THEY WANT TO ASK? THANK YOU, SIR. THAT ONE RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE REASON STAFF IS LOOKING AT DENYING THIS. I LOOKED AT THIS AT WELL, SATELLITE PICTURE. THERE IS A LOT, VERY FEW ACTUAL HOMES. VERY FEW MOBILE HOMES. ALMOST NOTHING IN THE RB ZONING. EXCEPT FOR WHERE IT KUFR CURVES. STUFF ACROSS THE STREET RB. SOME OF THOSE LOTS HAVE MOBILE HOMES ON 'EM TODAY. I THINK THIS IS ONE I AM GOING TO HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH STAFF AND DOES NOT CREATE A PARTICULAR BURDEN FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HIGHLY UNDEVELOPED AT THIS POINT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A COMMENT MR. DAVIS? >> ARE WE SAYING THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THE OF MOBILE HOMES OUT THERE THAT ARE ON RB ZONED PROPERTIES? >> THERE ARE SOME ALONG WHATEVER THAT ROAD IS WHERE IT CURVES AT THE TOP. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE? >> THIS ONE UP HERE. >> WHEN I LOOKED AT IT ON UM, SOME OF THOSE LOTS, ON OVERLAND UP THERE. GO UP A LITTLE UP IN THAT AREA BETWEEN SOUTH OF THE GREEN. IF YOU LOOK ON THE SATELLITE MAP. THIS WAS PLATTED IN 1970. >> HAVE YOU CLEARED YOUR LOT? >> ARE WE CONTEMPLATING ZONING RE OR NON CONFORMED USE. >> WE ONLY HAVE JURISDICTION IN THIS BOARD TO THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO CHANGE TO RE. WE CAN RECOMMEND THAT OR RECOMMEND STAFF REPORT WHICH IS TO DENY. ALL THAT YELLOW IS RE. >> MOTION THAT WE -- TO APPROVE REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING RB TO RE. BASED ON THE FACT PROPERLY ADVERTISED. NOT A SINGLE PERSON HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST IT. MOBILE HOMES IN THE GENERAL VICINITY. GENTLEMAN HAS INTENTION TO USE AS A STEPPINGSTONE TO EVENTUALLY BUILD A PERMANENT HOME. FOR ALL THOSE REASONS I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE THIS REQUEST. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> SECOND. >> WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN SQUARE FOOTAGE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IS IT A SQUARE FOOTAGE ISSUE >> CAN BE. MINIMUM OF 600. >> MOBILE HOME 600. CONVENTIONAL 750. RB MINIMUM OF 1000. >> WHAT IS THE DIFFERENTIAL. [00:20:18] >> SINCE WE ARE IN DISCUSSION IF I MAY. COUPLE OF QUICK THOUGHTS. I UNDERSTAND WHY ORIGINALLY RE AND THEN RB AND AR. YOU HAVE THE MOBILE HOME. IT WILL CHANGE THAT WHOLE AREA. WE CAN SEE NOW, IN THIS CASE, I AGREE WITH THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. THIS APPLICANT MAKES A GOOD MOTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHEN WE TAKE PIECES OUT, WE ARE CHANGING AND CREATE ING A POTENTIAL FOR MORE CHANGES AND KIND OF THE PLANNED LAY OUT. I WANT TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. >> ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, I WILL CALL QUESTION AFFIRMATIVE VOTE TO SUPPORT CHANGING THE ZONING NOT TO SUPPORT THE STAFF. IN THIS CASE OKAY. >> ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE? >> AYE. >> THAT ONE WAS UNANIMOUS. ANYONE AGAINST THAT ONE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU ARE NOT DONE. MAKE SURE YOU COME BACK IN THREE MINUTES AND TALK TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION WHEN THEY HAVE IT. DO THEY WAIT UNTIL 5:00? >> TIME CERTAIN. 5:00 OR SOON THEREAFTER. >> ANY TIME AFTER 5:00. THANK YOU. >> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM LET'S GO TO ITEM IS ANYONE HERE TO TALK ABOUT CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE? ALL RIGHT. IF THEY ARE NOT, WE'LL DO THAT [4.  Public Hearing to consider LDC 2022-01. (D. Selig)] ONE NEXT. ITEM 4 ON THE AGENDA. ITEM 4 IS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LDC 2022-01 APPLICATION FOR PROPOSED TAX AMENDMENT ARTICLE XII TO CODIFY STANDARDIZING OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES FOR THE CLAY COUNTY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEES CREATED BACK IN 1989. WE HAVE MR. DAVIS HERE VERY FAMILIAR WITH CAC'S. PRESUMING WE PASS THROUGH THIS EVENING. ARTICLE 12 AND IT WOULD CODIFY OPERATING PROCEDURES FOR CLAY COUNTY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEES. ONE FUNCTIONING ONE UM.LY HAVE - THAT IS THE PHLEGMING ISLAND ONE. AN ACTIVE BOARD FOR SOME TIME. HOWEVER NOT TOO FAR BACK IN JANUARY, ACTUALLY 25TH OF THIS YEAR, BOARD APPOINTED 11 MEMBERS TO THE PENNY FARM'S CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. FIRST MEETING IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS. AND IN ORDER TO HELP THEM KIND OF GET STARTED, WE REALIZE WE DON'T HAVE STANDARD PROCEDURES. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT DOESN'T GIVE DIRECTION. IT IS IMPORTANT FOR AN APPLICANT THAT COMES FORWARD THEY HAVE THE SAME EXPERIENCE REGARDLESS OF WHAT CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE HAPPENS TO BE IN. THAT IS THE INTENT. AT THE SAME TIME ALSO TAKING RESOLUTION 8921 WHICH WILL [00:25:03] UPDATE PLANNING DISTRICT MAPS. IT WAS UPDATED JANUARY 25TH TO GO FROM FIVE DISTRICTS TO SEVEN AT THE SAME TIME THEY INCREASED THE LAKE AS BERRY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE 10 MEMBERS TO MAXIMUM OF 11. AT THE TIME RESOLUTION CHANGE IT WAS JUST THAT PARTICULAR BOARD. OR COMMITTEE, SO ONE OF THE CHANGES PROPOSING IS TO MAKE THAT MAXIMUM THE SAME FOR ALL OF THE COMMITTEES. THEY WOULD HAVE THE SAME MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MEMBERS. >> OKAY. >> SO IN THIS PRESENTATION, IN THIS ORDNANCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RENUMBERING SECTIONS. OF COURSE WHEN YOU INSERT A NEW SECTION, IT CREATES DOMINO EFFECT. NEW SECTION 12-8. FALLS AFTER HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. ADD RESPONSIBILITIES, TERMS OF OFFICE, WHAT OFFICER'S ROLES, PROCEDURES, MEETING PROCEDURES. THEY ARE FAIR LY STANDARD KINDS OF PROCEDURES. I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH MR. DAVIS YESTERDAY AS A MATTER OF FACT ABOUT FLEMING ISLAND HANDLES THEIR MEETINGS. THAT IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT SECTION AND REMOVES OPTIONAL PART FOR APPLICATIONS. THEY SHOULD ALL GO OR NOT BE UNCERTAINTY OF WHETHER OR NOT APPLICATION GOES. RESOLUTION THAT CREATED THESE ADOPTED IN MARCH OF 1989. THIS IS THE MAP GOING FORWARD. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT MAP IS NOT IN OUR PLAN. RECOMMENDATION FOR LDC 2022-01. I AM HAPPY TO GO THROUGH IT IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> LOGISTICAL QUESTION FOR STAFF. THEY CAN MEET AT LOCAL ADA OR HERE. DO WE HAVE THE STAFF TO SUPPORT THAT? >> THAT ORDNANCE GOT CHANGED. >> THEY HAVE TO GIVE THEM TO THE CLERK FOR PERMANENT RECORD. >> I THINK THIS CONFUSING PART IS IN SECTION 12 HERE. MINUTES OF THE COMMITTEE MEETING SHALL BE BY THE CLERK OF THE COURT. >> I AM ALSO REFERRING TO ABOVE IN 10 DIRECTOR OF PLANNING AND ZONING RESPONSIBLE. ARE THEY REQUIRED TO BE VISIBLY [00:30:06] AT THE MEETING. >> ARE YOU READING IN THE STAFF REPORT OR ORDNANCE SNOO >> STAFF REPORT. >> WE HAD CHANGES TO THE ORDNANCE AFTER THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN AND UP LOADED. I MEANT TO MENTION THAT AT THE BEGINNING. LET'S TOUCH BASE ON WHAT CHANGED. SO YOU KNOW. >> OKAY. >> I WANT YOU TO KNOW TWO GUYS MOST ADVERSE TO USING TECHNOLOGY, WE ARE USING IT. WE ARE STRUGGLING WE ARE USING IT. >> SOMETIMES IT BACKFIRES ON STAFF. STAFF REPORT WRITTEN BASED ON EARLIER VERSION UP LOADED. CHANGES THINGS IN THE ORDNANCE. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO GET BACK IN AND REVAMP STAFF REPORT. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION TO ALL OF YOU. WHAT WE CHANGED WERE UM, UNDER THE SECRETARIES DUTIES, NOW SAYS ONE TAKE MINUTES OF EACH MEETING, PROVIDE COPY OF THE MINUTES TO COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO BE ATTACHED TO ITS MINUTES. NO NEED FOR THE CLERK TO SEND SOMEBODY. >> BUT THE CLERK WILL BE THE OFFICIAL RECORD HOLDER? >> NO. >> SENDING THEIR MINUTES TO THE BOARD AND THAT IS HOW THEY GET FILED? >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS UU MEAN, YEAH. >> ALL OF THE DARKER SHADES POROUS? IT IS RESERVE LAND. >> IF YOU LOOK DOWN AT A MAP. >> THEN I HAD A QUESTION WHICH I HAD GOTTEN PARTIALLY ANSWERED ABOUT WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS WERE CREATED. IT SAYS THAT RESOLUTION AMENDED JANUARY 25TH TO UPDATE THE MAP AND INCREASE THE MAPS, SEVEN DISTRICTS FROM THE GET GO. >> FIVE INITIALLY IN '89. >> THAT WAS THE PART I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. I THINK I AM GOOD NOW. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> MR. DAVIS, SEVERAL COMMENTS. NO. 1 HISTORICAL STANDPOINT. IT WASN'T EVEN IN EXISTENCE WHEN I WAS APPOINTED. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. CHAIRPERSON ATEMPERATURE -- ITEM 11A. SHALL SERVE ONE-YEAR TERM. THAT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBILITY BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY [00:35:04] DIFFICULT TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO TAKE CHAIRMANSHIP OR SECRETARY. VICE CHAIR FAIRLY EASY. TWO BUSIEST PEOPLE SECRETARY AND CHAIRPERSON. I SERVED AS CHAIRWOMAN. AS LONG AS EACH YEAR THEY HAVEN'T ENTERTAINED ELECTION OF OFFICERS. NOMINATED FROM THE FLOOR. NONE OF THIS SUBMIT YOUR RESUME LIKE THEY DO EAR. AS LONG AS THEY UNDERSTAND THAT CHAIRPERSON MIGHT BE HERE A LONG TIME. >> SOUNDS LIKE BECAUSE THEIR ONE-YEAR TERMS. I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IS: ACTUALLY, ITEM 4. 11A 4. >> I AM TURNING TO THAT. SHOULD THIS BE ADMITTED. LET'S TAKE ATE OFF. SHALL NOT SERVE MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. I LIKE THE VERBIAGE, IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP AT MEETINGS, YOU'LL BE TERMINATED. WE HAD A PROBLEM WITH APPOINTEES. THEY WOULD COME TO ONE MEETING AND WANDER OFF INTO THE WILDERNESS. THEY REFUSED TO PLAY. WITH THOSE >> PETE, DO YOU DO PUBLIC NOTICE? >> YES. >> WHERE DO YOU? >> CAC OPERATES BLUE LAWS -- >> SUNSHINE. >> WAY IT WORKS. IDENTIFY LOCATION. ALL THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TELLING US YOU HAVE AN APPLICANT IN YOUR ZONE. WE IDENTIFIED LOCATION, TIME. WOULD SEND AN E-MAIL TO KELLY GIVING HER TIME, LOCATION AND DATE. SHE WOULD HAVE IT POSTED IN NEWSPAPER. >> POINT OF REFERENCE. DEPENDING ON WHAT DAY YOU START THE PROCESS. COULD BE LONGER. SOMETIMES APPLICANT DIDN'T GET APPLICATION IN. PLANNING DEPARTMENT PROCESSED IT FAIRLY QUICKLY. DIDN'T GET TO US. WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. THERE WASN'T ENOUGH TIME TO GET SCHEDULED. I THINK ONCE OR TWICE. WHERE WE HAD TO ASK FOR CONTINUANCE OR WHATEVER SO WE CAN MEET WITH THEM. IT WASN'T TIME TO GET IT IN THE NEWSPAPER. >> HIS CREDIT AND CREW DID A GOOD JOB NOTIFYING. NORMALLY THEY WOULD CALL AHEAD OF TIME AS SOON AS THEY GOT IT BEFORE THEY STARTED PROCESSING IT. >> ANYONE ELSE. SUBSECTION A. MEETINGS OF THE CAC SHALL BE PUBLIC MEETINGS. STATES IT TWICE. >> YOU ARE RIGHT. >> IT REALLY SEEMS TO ME, PROBABLY PROPERLY BELONGS IN SUBA THERE. WE SHOULD REMOVE IT OFF OF 12. IT SHOULD JUST SAY MEETINGS. THEN ALL THIS APPLYS TO THE MEETINGS. SEEMED LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT. >> IT IS. I AGREE. THANK YOU FOR CATCHING THAT. >> AND THE OTHER QUESTION, WAS ON THE MAP I KNOW THAT IT HAS BEEN SEVEN DISTRICTS. WAS THERE ANY CHANGE MADE TO [00:40:03] THOSE OR TRYING TO CODIFY WHAT WE HAD A WHILE. REASON I AM ASKING THIS, I KNOW THIS HAD COME UP A FEW TIMES BEFORE ABOUT CHANGING BOUNDARIES, IT WAS ALWAYS CAME BACK AS KIND OF AN ISSUE WHEN WE DID CERTAIN ACTIVITIES IN THE COUNTY THAT IT MADE THE HISTORICAL DATA VERY HARD TO USE. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOKED AT IT BY PLANNING DISTRICT. HAD TO FIGURE OUT THIS PLANNING DISTRICT OR THIS ONE BACK 10 YEARS AGO. I WAS CURIOUS TO KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW, COURTNEY, DO YOU KNOW WAS THERE AN EARLIER VERSION OF THE MAP? WAS THIS THE FIRST? [INAUDIBLE] YOU WERE GOING TO TRY TO TURN IT INTO A CAC. >> REASON WE DIDN'T, OUR COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION ALLOWED TO ACT AS INFORMAL CAC. WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE COMMUNITY. WE DIDN'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. [INAUDIBLE] JUST CONFIRMED THE DATE TODAY. IT IS GOING TO BE TRAINING AND START WITH THE SUNSHINE LAW AND COVER A LOT OF OTHER TRAINING. >> OKAY. REASON I ASKED ABOUT IT BEING A HANDOUT. TO PETE'S POINT THERE IS TURN OVER. HOPEFULLY WE HAVE SOMETHING TO HAND TO HIM. THESE ARE THE RULES YOU ARE OPERATING UNDER. >> THIS ORDNANCE WILL HAVE WALKED THROUGH THE PROCESS. PLANS TO TURN IT INTO A HANDOUT AS A SUMMARY. TO GIVE THEM GUIDANCE. >> READY FOR A MOTION, GUYS. IF I CAPTURED THIS CORRECTLY, PETE, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION. YOU WANT IT UNDER 11A 4 TO REMOVE THAT COMPLETELY. OFFICERS SHALL NOT SERVE MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE LANGUAGE IN ITEM 12 AND GET RID OF DUPE DUPE KIT. >> ANYTHING ELSE? CALL IT ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE? AYE. OPPOSED? WE ARE GOING TO ITEM SEVEN NEXT. PIECE OF SARATOGA SPRINGS WE DIDN'T GET TO LAST MONTH. ITEM TWO AND THREE. ITEM 3. DUE TO CONFUSION IN ADVERTISING. WE COULD NOT DISCUSS. THREE IS AT 7:00. IT WAS ADVERTISED FOR 7:00. IF THESE NEXT TWO ITEMS DON'T EAT UP AN HOUR, WE ARE GOING TO [7.  Public Hearing to consider PCD 2022-01. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (M. Brown)] [00:45:05] HAVE A BREAK UNTIL 7:00. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PCD 2022-01. APPLICATION TO REZONE THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE 42 ACRES PUD TO PCD. PARCELS LOCATED COUNTY ROAD 315 ON THE WEST SIDE OF 315. PENNY FARMS ASH BURY PLANNING DISTRICT. COMMISSION DISTRICT 5, COMMISSIONER BURKE. WILL BE HEARD AT MARCH 22ND BOARD MEETING. THIS IS FINAL 42 ACRES AND COMPANION TO REZONING OF THE COMPANY ABOUNDENMENT. DEVELOPMENT OF REGIONAL IMPACT. AND AS I INDICATED EARLIER, APPLICATION REZONE IT TOTAL 42 ACRES PUD TO PCD. JUST TO REMIND ANYONE LISTENING PCD PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. COMPANION LAND USE CHANGE ASSOCIATED WITH SARATOGA SPRINGS DRI. CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE. HERE IS AERIAL AND MAP OF ZONING LOCATION, PARCEL, 42 ACRES, PROPERTY. DO WE HAVE AR ZONING TO THE NORTH. AND THEN OTHER 315 TO THE EAST. AND THEN PUD ZONING. F FORMER ONCE YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED TO LAST MONTH OR MONTH BEFORE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST IS MIXED USE PUD. AND TO THE SOUTH IS RURAL FRINGE. HERE IS A LAYOUT OF THE SITE PLAN AND FIRST COAST CONNECTER DOES BISECT THIS PROPERTY AND GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE SOME ITEMS PROVIDED IN THE PCD WRITTEN REPORT THAT I WILL TOUCH AND APPLICANT WILL TOUCH ON TO TRY TO ADDRESS PROTECTION OF ACCESS TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. OR FIRST COAST CONNECTER. PCD EAST OF PETER'S CREEK. IMMEDIATELY SOUTH RURAL FRINGE ZONING. DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS PROPOSED TO PCD ZONING CONSISTENT WITH STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE LAKE AS BURY MASTER PLAN. APPLICANT HAS BROUGHT FORWARD LAKE AS BURY ASBURY STANDARDS. THERE IS AN ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN REQUIRED PART OF THIS PUD ADOPTED AS PROPOSED OR PCD. TO IDENTIFY ACCESS TO FIRST COAST CONNECTER AND DEPICT CIRCULATION WITHIN THE COMMERCIAL AREA. THAT HAS TO BE DONE PRIOR TO ANY DEVELOPMENT TAKING PLACE SO [00:50:03] HOPEFULLY IT WILL, THE IDEA IS TO PREVENT ANOTHER BLANDING ISSUE HOPEFULLY WITH THAT, WE BELIEVE WE CAN PROTECT ACCESS AND MAINTAIN THAT THOROUGH FARE. STAFF REVIEWED APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING DISTRICTS. [INAUDIBLE] LIST OF USES, WE TRIED TO STREAMLINE THAT LIST A LITTLE. MAKING SOME CHANGES, SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WE HAVE THAT WITH YOU, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS AS LATE AS YESTERDAY. I APOLOGIZE NOT GETTING IT TO YOU SOONER. LAST PAGE AND OR REFERENCES SO THERE IS NO CONFUSION IN THE FUTURE HOPEFULLY. AS PROPOSED IN THIS LIST OF USES TO BE ALLOWED IN THIS PCD. WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? APPLICANT HAS A PRESENTATION. >> PROPERTY ACROSS THE STREET ON 315 ALL RESIDENTIAL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. EITHER UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR BUILT. THAT SECTION OF 315. FORGIVE ME. I DON'T HAVE MY FUTURE ROAD MAP IS THAT FOUR LANED OR STAYING AS A TWO LANE? >> I AM GOING TO HAVE TO REFER TO ED. FROM THAT POINT DOWN TO 16 FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FOR FOUR LANE OR TWO LANE. >> FROM 90 DEGREE TURN UP TO MARYLAND STAY TWO LANE. THAT SECTION IS SET TO BE FOUR LANES. FROM MARYLAND UP TO 17 WOULD BE -- >> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. >> FROM THE CONNECTOR DOWN TO 16. >> THAT IS NOT IN ANY PLAN. >> THIS SITS ON THAT ROAD. >> YEAH. >> NO. IT IS FURTHER DOWN. THIS DOESN'T SIT. >> IT DOES. >> I JUST, I WANT TO GET LITTLE CLARITY. I SUPPORT WHAT WE ARE DOING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS ACROSS THE STREET TWO LANE. I AM TEEING THIS UP SO YOU CAN GIVE CLARITY. RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET NEW HOUSING COMMUNITY. IF WE ARE GOING TO BUILD COMMERCIAL CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT WHEN WE HAVE THAT CONVERSATION OKAY? THANK YOU. EXTERIOR LIGHT, PARAGRAPH D AND E HAVE DIFFERENT HEIGHT [00:55:01] STANDARDS FOR LIGHT FIXTURES AND PARKING AREAS. ONE SAYS 20, ONE 25. I COULDN'T TELL IF THAT IS, IS THAT A MISTAKE OR IS THAT, DOES THAT SERVE SOME PURPOSE? >> I SPOTTED THAT, TOO. SEEM TO BE A DISCREPANCY. >> I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LIGHTING STANDARDS. LET ME LOOK INTO THAT. >> WE CAN ASK SUSAN TO. >> THAT WAS IT, THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? MIKE, I HAVE JUST A QUESTION. THIS APPROVED LIST. IT LOOKS LIKE WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE BA ZONINGS. SOME OF THE BB'S AND TOOK OVER EVERYTHING WE COULD FIND OUT. >> YES. >> I AM A LITTLE UM, I AM JUST GOING TO SHOW YOU ONE. I HAVEN'T HAD THE CHANCE TO SHOW YOU ALL OF THESE. THIS FAR DOWN, FIRST PAGE, STRIKE THROUGH, AUTO REPAIR EXCEPT BODY SHOP. EIGHT LINES ABOVE THAT. AUTO BODY SHOP. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT AT AUTO REPAIR. >> IT WAS TO TAKE OUT DUE E DUE MRIK TIF. >> I AM GOING TO ASK ABOUT THESE AGAIN. >> PRIMARY LOOK TO TRY TO TAKE OUT DUPLICATIONS. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE IF NOT OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. INVITE APPLICANT UP. >> GOOD EVENING, SUSAN FRAZIER, FLF CONSULTING. THIS IS THE LAST PIECE OF THE SARATOGA SPRINGS, PUZZLE. YOU HAVE SEEN SARATOGA WEST, LAKE ASBURY PARK. YOU HAVE SEEN RURAL FRINGE. SOUTH AND IMMEDIATE WEST. THIS IS THE LAST PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE. TRANSMITTED LAND USE CHANGE TO THE STATE THAT SAID 42 ACRES COMMERCIAL. IT NEEDS COMMERCIAL ZONING. THIS IS A PCD LOOKED AT WHAT WAS ALLOWED IN SARATOGA. IT WENT THE WHOLE LENGTH OF 315. ROSEMARY HILL TO THE TOP OF THIS PARCEL. DRI NOT ABANDONED, WOULD BE ALL COMMERCIAL. GREATER THAN A MILE. WHEN WE DID THE MASTER PLAN FOR SARATOGA AGAIN, WE CONSOLIDATED THAT. MIX USE TO THE WEST AND 42-ACRE PARCEL. DENSITY WHAT YOU ALLOW 0.4. HEIGHT OF 5 OR 70 IS -- COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION. THIS IS HEIGHT RESTRICTION IN PUD WE HAVE NOW. IN CLAY COUNTY IF YOU MEET THE FIRE CODE 100 STORIES. THIS APPLIES CONSISTENT WHAT WE HAD IN SARATOGA. IT WAS ALLOWED UP AND DOWN 315. THIS IS A 42 ACRE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. IT IS STILL GOING TO RUN THROUGH IT. WE ADOPTED LAKE ASBURY STANDARDS. SIMILAR TO MIX USE YOU SAW LAST MONTH. WE TOOK ALL THE STANDARDS FOR LIGHTING FACADES, BUILDINGS. THAT IS IN SARATOGA, PROPOSE PCD. IT IS ACTUALLY A PUD. THAT IS THE WILLOW SPRINGS YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER AT 7:00. FIRST COAST CONNECTOR RUNS THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL PIECE. IF YOU SEE WILLIS SPRINGS DRIVE TO THE SOUTH THAT CREATES SO SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. [01:00:05] WILLIS SPRINGS SUBDIVISION EAST SIDE OF 315. IT IS WEIRD FOR ME, I AM SEEING IT BACKWARDS. THAT ROAD WILL CONNECT THESE TWO. RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS, SARATOGA AND WILLOW SPRINGS. SOUTH OF US ELEMENTARY SCHOOL R. 600 FEET? 700 FEET SOUTH OF OUR SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. THERE WILL BE 500-600 FEET AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IT IS SCHEDULE D TO BE WIDENED TO THREE LANES TO ACCOMMODATE STACKING OF THE SCHOOL. IF YOU TALK TO PUBLIC WORKS. IT WILL GO ALL THE WAY TO THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. THREE LANES FROM CONNECTOR TO THE SCHOOL AND A GOOD DISTANCE TO THE SOUTH. THEY LOOK AT ALL THE MOVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH ELEMENTARY STOOL. TWO-LANE ROAD ISN'T GOING TO CUT IT. IT WILL OPEN WHEN THE SCHOOL OPENS, SCHOOL WILL OPEN NEXT SEPTEMBER. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE UNTIL UNTIL THEN. FRONTAGE IS THE CONNECTOR. TRAFFIC VOLUMES ON 315 DON'T SUPPORT COMMERCIAL. FEDERAL HIGHWAY TO THE INTERSTATE. YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE BOARD. THIS IS A FOUR-LANE SECTION WITH A MEDIAN THROUGH THE COMMERCIAL. FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS WHAT YOU CONNECTED. TO SET THE STAGE THIS IS SETTING UP WHAT WILL COME IN THE FUTURE. IT IS NOT A PARCEL. THIS IS A DISTRICT. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. INSTEAD OF HAVING SEVEN ACRES ON THE SIDE OF A ROAD. I WANT TO FIT MYSELF WHAT MR. SMITH OWNS ONE SIDE, MR. JONES ON THE OTHER SIDE. I AM GOING TO OWN THE WHOLE THING, PLAN IT, SELL IT. JOHN O'CONNELL MODEL. ROADS, EVERY 42 ACRES -- THERE ARE INTERNAL ROADS. I WOULD ANTICIPATE PUBLIC ROAD. IF YOU HAD EVERYTHING ON 315 -- THERE IS LIKELY TO BE A ROAD SIDEWALKS AND LIKE YOU WOULD DRIVE ON A ROAD, ROAD. NOT THROUGH A SHOPPING CENTER PARKING LOT. COMMERCIAL ON ONE SIDE COMMERCIAL ON OTHER. THIS IS A WHOLE DISTRICT TO BE PLANNED FOR THE FUTURE. >> BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS LAKE ASBURY. YOU DON'T HAVE FLAT FACADES. YOU APPLIED IN THE MIX USED CATEGORY THIS IS THE STANDARD SEXY BUILDING LANGUAGE THE COUNTY HAS. IT IS GOOD. JUST CAN'T GO OUT THERE AND PUT OUT A BOX. COSTCO BOX. THERE ARE BUFFERS TO RESIDENTIAL. I AM GOING TO HAND YOU THIS. THIS IS A SITE PLAN. POWERPOINT SITE PLAN DISAPPEARS ON THE NEXT SLIDE. [01:05:02] WE ABUT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT TO THE NORTH. "FUZZY LANE. THERE IS WET LANDS IMMEDIATELY NORTH. BUFFER REQUIRED 25-FOOT B BUFFER. FENCE, TWO INCH TREES EVERY 30 FEET AND GRASS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWING I JUST GAVE YOU. SOUTH OF THAT IS A 30-FOOT CC WAY EASEMENT. CAN'T PUT A BUILDING ON THAT, EITHER. UTILITY AUTHORITY WON'T LET YOU PUT A BUILDING. IN ESSENCE, 60-FOOT BUILDING SET BACK. I HAVE A LITTLE STRIP OF LAND AND UTILITY EASEMENT. MANY BUILDINGS SET BACK. WHAT WE SAID IN PUD. IF INTENSIVE COMMERCIAL IS HERE THAT I DON'T GET TO DO A B BUFFER. I GET TO DO A C BUFFER. IF I AM GOING TO PUT COSTCO. REGIONAL COMMERCIAL AGAINST THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT A BIG OF A BUFFER TO OUR NORTH. ACCESS MANAGEMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR THE LAST MEETING FOR MIXED USE. FIRST STEP ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN. SOMEBODY WILL COME IN AND SAY HERE IS MY FULL MEDIAN OPENINGS. COUNTY WILL SAY YUP, YUP GO BUILD TO THAT. COUNTY WON'T BE HIT WITH DIFFERENT OWNERS SEEKING ACCESS. ONCE YOU CARVE OUT A PARCEL BY LAW, COUNTY HAS TO GIVE YOU ACCESS. THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU A DRIVEWAY THAT IS THE WAY THE LAW WORKS. STARTED OUT AS ONE PARCEL. YOU DON'T GET TO PLAY ONE OFF THE OTHER AND PUT IN 500 OTHER DRIVEWAYS. COME IN, INTERNAL CONNECTIONS. THIS WAS SET UP TO SAY THANK YOU, WE ARE NOT GOING TO MESS IT UP. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. WE ALSO SAID THIS IS PART OF WHAT YOU SAW IN THE MIXED USE AS WELL. TYPICAL PUD REQUIREMENT. SUBMIT YOU HAVE TO START CONSTRUCTION WITHIN FOUR YEARS OF PUD. [INAUDIBLE] INSTEAD OF STARTING TODAY WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS IN A MONTH. WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE WHAT WE EXPECT THE TIMELINE. CAN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP. I KNOW EVERYBODY IS EXCITED ABOUT USES. >> BEFORE YOU DO THAT, SUSAN, CAN I ASK YOU TO GO TO THE LAST SLIDE AGAIN BEFORE YOU GET OFF OF IT. AM I READING THAT RIGHT? SHALL BE MET BY APPROVAL OF THE ACCESS MANAGEMENT PLAN WITHIN 30 MONTHS OF THE DATE CONNECTOR IS OPENED. THAT IS TWO AND A HALF MONTHS AFTER THAT I OPEN CONNECTOR? >> YES. [01:10:06] >> SHALL -- THIS SAYS. >> DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING. >> SHALL COMMENCE ON THE DATE, FIRST COAST CONNECTORS OPEN TO TRAVEL. >> IF YOU GO BACK ONE, MIKE? >> RULE TODAY, START SUBSTANTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN FOUR YEARS. SO I HAVE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. >> YOU ARE SAYING FOUR YEARS STARTS WHEN THE ROAD OPENS? >> CORRECT, CORRECT. >> WE HATE TO TAKE ALL THIS GOOD WORK AND USE IT THEY ARE NOT FAST ENOUGH. TWO AND A HALF YEARS UNTIL AMP AND FOUR YEARS TO SUBSTANTIAL CONSTRUCTION. >> I'LL LET YOU FINISH. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GET THIS STARTED SOONER. DID WE PUT LANGUAGE BEFORE WE LET ANYBODY BIMD ANYTHING WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AMP? >> YES. >> IF THEY WANT TO TURN IN AND ACCESS PLAN WE THEY COULD COME IN AND DO THAT TOMORROW. THEY HAVE TO DO THAT FIRST. THIS LIST STAFF PROMISES THERE IS A CONTRACT OUT. THIS IS THE WAY THE WORLD WE LIVE IN NOW. [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS TO OCCUPY USES OF THE STANDARDS. WE TURNED IN A LIST. WE MOVED THEM AROUND, USED WORDS, SARATOGA WORDS USE DIFFERENT FOR CODE WORDS. THAT IS THE RESULT OF THIS IS. WHAT IS IN YOUR PACKETS IN BLACK. IF IT IS CONDITIONAL ON THIS LIST WHAT APPLIES? ALL OF THEM GO TO THE COUNTIES TWO THAT ARE CONDITIONAL. NOT COUNTY CONDITIONAL PET DAY CARE ONNED BOAR-- ONBOARDING PE PARADISE. IN YOUR PET BORING. WHAT WAS IT YOU CAN HAVE OVERNIGHT. SOMETHING THAT JUST DIDN'T WORK. WHICH IS WHY PET PARADISE HAS A PUD. THAT IS INTENDED TO MEET THE INTENDED MODEL. COMMUNICATION TOWERS, FLEE MARKETS. NOT ON AN ARTERIAL. MAP I JUST GAVE YOU TO TAKE YOUR PEN AND LOOK AT THIS. I AM HAVING AN ARTERIAL HERE. UNDER CURRENT CODE I CAN HAVE THEM. I AM GOING TO HAVE A CONNECTOR HERE. AND IN THE MIDDLE. PROPERTIES. 950. [01:15:08] HAROLD ISLAND SURVEYOR, AROUND THE CORNER. THERE IS A MULTISTORY MINIWAREHOUSE. IT IS ON THE ROAD BUFFER OF BIG TALL TREES. THAT IS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE. THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO GET 'EM. ONLY ACCESS FROM INTERNAL ROAD. MY INTENTION IS NOT TO LINE THEM UP ON 315. WE ARE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT PARTICULAR THING. I AT HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT PARTICULAR USE. >> ALL RIGHT. ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MISS FRAZIER. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> AS ALWAYS, EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. YOU ADDRESSED MY CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC. I WOULD EXPECT FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT GROUP. WHEN THIS CAN BE DEVELOPED AS A COMMERCIAL PIECE. I APPRECIATE ALL THAT AFORETHOUGHT. ONLY USE I HAVE CONCERN WITH, THIS DOES ABUT A SCHOOL. AND RESIDENTIAL OVER THE STREET. AND YOU ALSO HAVE IT IN NON-RESIDENTIAL CONDITIONAL USES MEDICAL MARIJUANA TREATMENT CENTER DISPENSING FACILITY. AND I JUST DON'T KNOW IF, I DON'T KNOW HOW COMFORTABLE I AM WITH THAT NEXT TO A SCHOOL TO BE HONEST. I REALIZE MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND HAVE A DOCTORS NOTE TO GET THAT THAT IS THE ONLY ONE WITH A POTENTIAL CONCERN. >> IT IS A CONDITIONAL USE. VERY LAST PAGE. >> IT IS IN BOTH PERMITTED AND CONDITIONAL USE. >> SHOULD BE. I THINK IT SAYS C. I THINK THE P IS STRICKEN. >> SORRY. WHATEVER CONDITIONS COUNTY DETERMINED APPROPRIATE FOR THAT USE. [INAUDIBLE] >> WE HAVE HAD THEM COME TO THE BOARD BEFORE CONTESTING. >> ANY IDEA WHAT THAT DISTANCE IS? >> OKAY. THANK YOU. CURIOUS BECAUSE IT IS NEXT TO A SCHOOL. THANK YOU. >> I DID HAVE ONE GLAD YOU TOOK THE PAD AND INTERMODAL CENTER OUT THERE. I NOTICED, TOO, DRIVE-IN RESTAURANT REMOVED. I SIGH RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE-THRU. >> DRIVE-IN ONLY. >> LIKE A SONIC, YOU KNOW. >> WE CONSIDER A SONIC OR CHECKERS THAT DOESN'T HAVE INSIDE SEATING AS A RESTAURANT CREW. THEY ARE SERVING FOOD. WE UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT A -- >> WE WOULD ALLOW THAT TYPE OF RESTAURANT? >> OKAY. ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE, ALL THESE BUILDINGS ARE THESE OLD DAIRY BUILDINGS? GIVE YOU A REFERENCE POINT? [01:20:03] ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS ON THIS? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. REALLY THE SCHOOL BOARD MIGHT HELP MORE. WITH ALL THE HOUSING ON 315, THAT SIDE, RIGHT SIDE. YOU HAVE YOUR OLD ELEMENTARY SCHOOL SOUTH OF THIS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET THE KIDS FROM WILLOW SPRINGS? PROBABLY THREE OR FOUR LANES WITHOUT STOPPING TRAFFIC. >> IF I CAN TALK, EVERY SUBDIVISION THE COUNTY PERMITS WILL HAVE A SIDEWALK. >> I AM TALKING ABOUT SAFELY GETTING THE KIDS ACROSS 315. LIKE AN ELEVATED CAUSEWAY. >> RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ELEVATED CAUSEWAY IN THE PLANS. HOWEVER WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE SIGNALLING AND TURN LANES FOR THE SCHOOL. >> THIS IS BEING AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, THEIR BRAINS ARE ENGAGED WHEN THEY VENTURE OUT. >> MR. ANZALONE. >> SUSAN CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY YOU CHANGED NIGHTCLUB LOUNGE FROM CONDITIONAL TO PERMIT. YOU FLIPPED MEDICAL MARIJUANA AND TOOK NIGHTCLUB LOUNGE. >> IT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION HOW THE CODE WORKS RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL, NIGHTCLUBS AND BARS, ALCOHOL. WHEN I FIRST ROAD THIS, I READ THAT THE ALCOHOL SECTION OF THE COUNTY'S CODE ADDED SECTION 3-4. I TREATED THAT AS A CONDITION YOU CAN HAVE A NIGHTCLUB OR RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL, THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS. IT IS WRITTEN YOU HAVE CONDITIONAL USES 3-5 OF ARTICLE 3. THIS IS SECTION 3-4. THIS APPLIES UNIVERSALLY TO EVERY PERSON WHO WANTS TO SELL ALCOHOL. USE IS NOT CONDITIONED THIS IS LIKE A BIG OVERLAY OF EVERYONE. USES NIGHTCLUB OR RESTAURANTS WITH ALCOHOL PERMITTED. CONDITIONS ARE DEFINITIONS UP FOR DISTANCES AND WHO CAN SELL WHAT. EVERY PERSON THAT WANTS TO SELL ALCOHOL HAS TO MEET DISTANT REQUIREMENTS. USE PERMITTED AND CONDITIONS BUT NOT CONDITIONAL USES OF THE ZONING CODE. THAT WAS MY MISTAKE. THIS APPLIES -- YOU WANT TO SELL ALCOHOL AT CONVENIENCE STORE. ALCOHOL IN A BAR IT IS SUPPLIES. SEPARATION FROM THINGS AND SCHOOLS ALL HERE THEY WOULD APPLY. I HAVE THE SAME QUESTION ABOUT LIGHTNING STANDARDS AND WHAT I -- >> IT WAS COPIED. >> DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT? >> I HAVE WHAT IS IN THE PUD, YES. >> THIS IS IN THE STATEMENT THAT YOU SUBMITTED. EXTERIOR LIGHTING IS THE SECTION. WE NEED TO GET LINE NUMBERS BACK ON THESE THINGS. >> AND ASEE IT. I CUT AND PASTED FROM LAKE ASBURY. >> DO YOU SEE IT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? >> I DO. >> EVEN THE WORDING IF YOU CUT AND PASTED BAD WORDING. BLA, BLA, BLA, BLA SHALL BE [01:25:02] PROVIDED WITH A HEIGHT NOT TO 12 FEET. I THINK NOT TO EXCEED 12 FEET. THERE IS A WORD MISSING. LIGHT SPACE NO MORE THAN 30 FEET APART. VERY NEXT SECTION. SHALL NOT EXCEED 25 FEET IN PARK AREAS. >> I WOULD OFFER INTENTION IS LAKE ASBURY. IF YOU FIND THOSE STANDARDS ARE APPROPRIATE, DIRECT STAFF AND I TO MAKE SURE THAT IS WHAT GOES FORWARD. THAT WAS THE INTENT. EITHER I COPIED SOMETHING WRONG. >> I THINK THE CODE IS WRITTEN BADLY. THERE IS A CONFLICT INTERNAL TO THE CODE. WE NEED TO FIX THAT AND WILL BE FIXING THAT AS WE UPDATE THE CODE. >> AND I THINK THERE IS A WORD MISSING. >> POINTED OUT BY THE VICE CHAIR. THERE IS A DISCREPANCY IN THE WORDING. CONFLICTS BETWEEN 20 FOOT AND 25 FOOT. >> IF THAT IS THE CASE, THOUGH IF YOU SEND US TO LAKE ASBURY, WE CAN'T SOLVE THAT FOR YOU. >> I THINK IF EVERYBODY IS OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE THAT IN STAFF'S HANDS TO FIX BEFORE THE BCC MEETING. >> WE'LL CLEAR THAT UP. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? YOU HAVE TO GIVE US A MINUTE. WE ARE OPERATING HERE IN ELECTRONIC LAND. IN THE LIGHTING SECTION THIS MIGHT BE CUT AND PASTE. LIGHTING OF GAS STATION CONVENIENCE STORE CANAPES, DA, DA, DA. LIGHT RESTRAINED TO NO MORE THAN 85° FROM VERTICAL. DOES THAT MEAN FIX -- FIXTURES. INSTEAD OF 90, 85. >> IT IS TO KEEP LIGHTS FROM DOING THIS. >> TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT WORDING. IS THAT WHAT IT IS INDICATING. BASICALLY FIVE DEGREES OUT FROM THE FIXTURE. >> PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE CANOPY BOTTOM. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS. >> WE ADDED DIGITAL SIGNS. LAKE ASBURY DOES NOT ALLOW DIGITAL SIPS. WE ARE IN AN ARTERIAL. WE BELIEVE THE DIGITAL IS FINE PURSUANT TO YOUR CODE. >> NOT SURE I DO. BUT, LEAVE THAT UP TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD. REST IS MONUMENT SIGNS LIKE ON FLEMING ISLAND. >> VERY RESTRICTIVE BUT FOR THAT. IF WE DIDN'T IMPORT LAKE ASBURY. WE COULD HAVE REGULAR CODE WHICH IS BLANDING. >> IF YOU DO DIGITAL SIGNS, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE MONUMENT SIGNS, YOU CAN HAVE WALL SIGNS. YOU COULD PUT A DIGITAL SIGN. >> OKAY. >> NOT ON THE POLE. >> NOT A FAN OF THOSE, I CAN TELL YA. I THINK THAT IS ALL I HAD AS FAR AS QUESTIONS ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, SUSAN. PUBLIC HEARING ALREADY OPEN. ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK, YOU WANT TO SPEAK, SIR? COME ON DOWN. I DON'T HAVE A CARD. NAME AND ADDRESS. >> RUSSELL, 3120 MICHELLE COURT. I AM THE PRESENT PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION. I WAS HERE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS TIME CONCERNING 2029 IN FRONT OF US. [01:30:03] EVIDENTLY STALLED. I WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. SHOWED UP ABOUT THE CHANGES. KIND OF HELPED EXPLAIN A HOMEOWNER THAT LIVES OFF 315. WHAT IS LEADING CHANGES FROM PUD TO PUD? WHAT IS CHANGE D SINCE I WAS HEE LAST CONCERNING. KIND OF TALK ABOUT THAT. TO ME, I LIVE OFF 315. JUST SINCE LAST YEAR, TRAFFIC IS HORRENDOUS. I HAVE TO COME ACROSS. USING DIFFERENT TERMINOLOGITERM. SPUR 223 GOING THROUGH THIS PROPERTY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONNECTOR IS. I KNOW WE HAVE STATE ROAD 223, TOLL ROAD. SUPPOSED TO HAVE CONNECTOR OFF OF 315 GOING STRAIGHT TO THAT. FIRST OF ALL, CAN WE GET THE TERMOLOGY WHERE I UNDERSTAND. NOT SURE MY 68-YEAR-OLD EYES COULD QUITE SEE THIS. JEREMY'S DRIVE ABOVE THE 90° TURN. >> TO THE NORTH, RIGHT? >> LET ME DO THIS, SUSAN, CAN YOU GIVE US OUR QUESTIONS AND I'LL ASK MISS FRAZIER AND TRY TO ANSWER THEM. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY CHANGES THAT SHOWED UP THIS YEAR. I KNOW THE PEOPLE IN FRONT OF US STALLED. THEY WERE DOING CLEARING. TRYING UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING TO ON TO DRIVE CHANGES. WE ARE ALREADY OWNERS HERE. WE ARE CONCERNED WHAT IS GOING ON IN THAT SECTION. WHAT WE ARE SEEING TWO PIECES OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY NOW. PEOPLE, TREES COMING DOWN, KNOW WE ARE GOING TO SEE BACKS OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS WHICH ARE NOTES THE PRETTIEST PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT. TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT IS DRIVING THIS? HAS THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT STALLED SO OTHER USES THEY WANT TO USE? >> WHAT TERMINOLOGY DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? >> THIS ROAD. CONNECTOR TO 223. >> IT IS A CONNECTOR. WAS THERE SOME OTHER TERMINOLOGY WE WERE USING? >> THAT WAS THE MAIN THING. I AM NOT SURE WHAT THAT IS. I DIDN'T KNOW THE ROAD WAS RUNNING IN THAT DIRECTION. >> IF YOU'LL HAVE A SEAT RIGHT THERE, I AM GOING TO MAKE SURE MISS FRAZIER HITS ON ALL YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY. >> THERE IS MORE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LATER. THERE IS ACTUALLY THREE THINGS GOING ON HERE TONIGHT THAT EFFECT ALL THAT PROPERTY. WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST ONE RIGHT NOW. THERE WILL BE MORE COMING UP IN A BIT. M MISS FRAZIER DO YOU WANT TO PUT THE BIG OVERARCHING PIECE? >> YOU KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE, COW IS OUT OF THE BARN NOW. THERE USED TO BE A POSTER. USED TO BE IN THIS ROOM A LONG TIME THAT SHOWED PRO POSED ROADS. YOU HAD AN IDEA WHERE EVERYTHING WAS GOING. MIGHT HELP IN A CASE LIKE THIS. PEOPLE CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE OVERALL LOCATION. >> MAPS WOULD BE GOOD. [01:35:04] >> I THINK, TOO, IF YOU DID REAL QUICK, FACT WE HAD A DRI THAT WENT AWAY. THAT IS A BIG PIECE. >> ON THE MAPS FOR EVERYBODY'S INTEREST CLAY COUNTY GOV.COM. I DON'T HAVE IT UP HERE TODAY. DOTTY AND MIKE IF YOU HELP TO REMIND ME, I CAN BRING THOSE POSTER MAPS OUT OF MY OFFICE. YOU FIND THEM EASILY ON THE WEBSITE. IF NOT CALL ME, E-MAIL ME. I CAN SEND. >> WEBSITE CLAYCOUNTYGOV.COM. >> I'LL DO A QUICK STORY. SARATOGA IS A 2400 DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS ITS EASTERN EDGE. ITS WESTERN EDGE HALF A MILE FROM THE EXPRESSWAY. WORDS WE ARE USING EXPRESSWAY, OUTER BELTWAY. >> TALK INTO THE MIC. >> COUNTY BUILDING A CONNECTION. CONNECTOR BETWEEN U.S. 17 AT 315 AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH THIS PROPERTY AND OVER THE CREEK AND CONNECT TO AN INTERCHANGE. GET ON THIS CONNECTOR AND END UP NORTH OF GREEN COVE. THIS IS A BIG ROAD. CLAY COUNTY, WELLS ROAD, KINGSLY, 220 AND THIS. AND THEN 16. BACK IN 20 -- >> YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE MISS ABOUT 23. THEY SEE IT WHERE IT GOES ACROSS 16. THEY MISS IT IS MORE/LESS A NORTH-SOUTH ROAD 218 DOWN TO 16. THAT SECTION IS ALMOST NORTH-SOUTH. >> IT IS NORTH-SOUTH THROUGH GRANDFIELD TO BLANDING. >> TURNS. YOU ARE GOING YES FROM THIS POINT TO THAT POINT. >> THIS IS AN EAST-WEST ROAD HITS 23. >> JUST NORTH OF GREEN COAT SPRINGS. 2006, PEOPLE THAT OWN THE LAND, WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS HUGE PROJECT, 2400 ACRES. 6,000 HOUSES, COMMERCIAL, OFFICE, HOSPITAL. 206R THIS WAS THE THING TO DO. HERE WE ARE 15 YEARS LATE ERP AND LAND STILL HAS COWS ON IT. 2006 RECESSION 2008 EVERYBODY DISAPPEARED 10 YEARS AND SHAKEN OFF. WHAT IS PROMPTING THE CHANGE NOW IS THE BELTWAY. EXPRESSWAY THE STATE IS BUILDING IS GOING TO OPEN ENDS OF 2024. COUNTY'S ROAD THEY ARE BUILDING 17 TO THE EXPRESSWAY WILL OPEN IN 2024. THEY ARE GOING TO EXIST AND BE BIG AND PROVIDE A LOT OF RELIEF TO TRAFFIC AND A LOT OF CARS. NOT TO DO SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN ALLOWED. BUT IT WAS ALLOWED UNDER A DRI. STATE PROGRAM AND OVERSIGHT. YOU HAD TO ASK PERMISSION OF 17 PEOPLE. STATE DID AWAY WITH THE PROGRAM IN 2011. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THESE ANYMORE. THERE IS NOTHING TO LOOK AT. PROCESS WITHOUT MUCH BUT THE OTHER SIDE. THIS WHAT YOU ARE SEEING TODAY US CASTING OFF THAT OLD PROCESS RETIRED IN 2011. LAND USE, ZONING Z REGULAR RULES YOU SEE FOR EVERY DEVELOPMENT IN CLAY COUNTY. IT WAS 300 EXTRA HOUSES. COMMERCIAL ENTITLEMENTS ARE MORE. THEY ARE IN SMALLER AREAS. [01:40:01] WE HCOMMERCIAL FROM THIS CORNER DOWN TO ROSE MARIE HILL ON 315. UNDER OLD APPROVED PLAN. NOW ONLY HAVE IT HERE. IT WILL BE ALL SUBDIVISIONS. THE REASON YOU ARE SEEING DIFFERENT SIGNS AND COLORS AND DATES, CLAY COUNTY HAS LOTS OF RULES. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS TO GO FROM A-B. IF I SHOWED YOU WHAT WE HAD AND WHAT WE WANT IS THE SAME. >> MIKE, IS THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR AND 315 IS THAT GOING TO BE A ROUND ABOUT OR SIGNAL LIGHT INTERSECTION? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> YES. IS THAT A ROUND ABOUT OR SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION? >> THERE WILL BE A ROUND ABOUT AT FEED MILL AND SIGNAL HERE. >> AND SOME SIGNAL LANCE IS DOING DOWN BY THE SCHOOL. IT WILL BE RED LIGHT, GREEN LIGHT. >> MR. BOURRÉ HAS A QUESTION. >> MISS FRAZIER. ON 315. I UNDERSTAND THIS BLIND ROAD OFF THE CONNECTOR THAT WILL BISECT THAT PARTIAL ON 315, PRIMARY ROAD FOR THE RESIDENTS CURRENTLY AND FUTURE, WHAT WILL THAT BUFFER LOOK LIKE FROM 315 TO WHAT WILL BE THE BACK OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT RUN OFF THAT ROAD? WHAT IS THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? BUFFERED WITH HEAVY LANDSCAPE? GIVE US AN IDEA? >> ARTICLE 6 BUFFER. >> IF IT IS A PARKING LOT, 15-FOOT BUFFER WITH TREES. THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR PARKING LOT. IT WILL BE THE FRONT OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING YOU SEE EVERY. IF IT IS THE BACK, BACK TO RIGHT-OF-WAY 20-FOOT B BUFFER. IT IS A FENCE, TREES, AND DISTANCE. YOU'LL SEE A FENCE. IF IT IS THE BACK OF A THING. AND BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO HAVE TWO FRONTAGE IT IS TRAFFIC COUNTS. YOU KNOW HOW COMMERCIAL WORKS. WHOEVER DOES THIS. WON'T BE ME, WON'T BE PCI. YOU MIGHT HAVE USES THAT WANT TO PHASE 315. >> BIGGER MIGHT FACE INTERNAL. ARTICLE 6 LAND SCAPE REQUIREMENTS NO MORE NO LESS. >> CONCERN I WOULD HAVE THERE. NOT NECESSARILY PCI. >> IT IS SOMEBODY ELSE POTENTIALLY. WHAT THAT WINDOW LOOKS LIKE WHAT THAT BUFFER LOOKS LIKE VEGETATION SO WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE BACK OF BIG HEAVY BOX STORES WHICH WOULD LOOK FINE ON CONNECTOR SIDE. NOT LOOK GOOD ON 315. RESIDENTS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 315 AND SCHOOL HAVING A NICE WINDOW ON 315 SIDE IS IMPORTANT. IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE A COMMENT TO THE BOARD THAT THE BUFFER WOULD APPLY FROM BACK OF A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE THAT IS WHAT IT IS, BECAUSE OF THE DEPTH IT MIGHT BE SHOULD BE SOMETHING DISCUSSED. I DON'T HAVE THAT FOR YOU TONIGHT. >> YOU WOULD WANT TO MINIMIZE [01:45:13] THOSE, RIGHT UNDER WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT EARLIER? >> IT IS FOR FCC. NOT 315. SCC IS DIVIDED IN COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR. MINIMUM SPACING. DOT STANDARDS CAN'T HAVE A FULL MEDIAN OPENING CLOSER THAN 320 FEET QUARTER MILE. YOU MIGHT MOVE ONE CAN'T BE CLOSER THAN 1320. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO ACCESS FIRST COAST CONNECTOR NOT AT THIS MEDIAN OPENING, THEY ARE GOING TO GET ACCESS. THEY CAN'T GET ACROSS. BIG GRASS MEDIAN ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE CORRIDOR. COMMERCIAL ON THE OTHER SIDE AND THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR UP TO THE PETERS CREEK. ALL DIVIDED. MEDIAN OPENINGS THAT MEET THE SPACES. BIG BOX PICKS THE PARCEL. SOMEBODY SMALLER I CAN DO WITHOUT LEFT TURN. THAT IS WHAT ACCESS MANAGEMENT WILL DO, FORCE SOMEBODY TO LAY OUT ACCESS. WHN THEY GO TO SELL, THEY ARE NOT FIGHTING WITH THE COUNTY BE THE SELLER. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO APPLY TO 315. 315 HAS COUNTY ACCESS BECAUSE IT IS NOT DIVIDED YOU CAN COME OUT AND SIT IN THIS MIDDLE THIRD LANE. WE'LL MEET THOSE. >> DO YOU WANT TO COME UP? >> I WANTED TO MENTION THAT THIS 42-ACRE COMMERCIAL PIECE ACROSS 315 OWNED BY BCI. WHICH IS GEORGE AND ME. WE ARE NOT SELLING THOSE WITH THE SARATOGA PROPERTY. WE ARE GOING TO RETAIN OWNERSHIP. AND WAY AHEAD OF OURSELVES. IT IS 2004. IN THE INTERIM HIRE A LAND DESIGNER AND DO COMPREHENSIVE PROPOSAL FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. THAT IS WHAT OUR INTENTION IS. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT WE HAD PUBLIC HEARING. RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I TAKE A MOTION? I HAVE A COMMENT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE. I DO NOT LIKE DIGITAL SIGNS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED 'EM. I THINK THEY WOULD TRASH UP POTENTIALLY A VERY NICE COMMERCIAL AREA. I WOULD FOR ONE, VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE DIGITAL SIGNS STRUCK OUT OF THIS. HAVE 'EM GONE. OTHER THEN THAT I THINK IT IS FINE. WITH THAT I'LL TAKE A MOTION. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION WITH TWO CAVEATS, MEET LAKE ASBURY STANDARD. COORDINATE WITH STAFF TO CLEAN THAT UP. AND THEY WILL MAYBE CLARIFY BUFFERING ON 315 TO COMMERCIAL ZONING. >> CAN I GET A SECOND? [01:50:03] >> I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH ADDITIONAL. >> SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> ALL RIGHT MOTION ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I AM GOING ON RECORD. I WANT YOU TO KNOW I AM VOTING AGAINST BECAUSE OF DIGITAL SIGNS. REST LOOKS FINE. >> IF IT DOES VOTE DOWN, YOU CAN BRING IT BACK UP TO VOTE WITH THE NEW MOTION IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> APPROVE STAFF REPORT WITH CLARIFICATION ON LIGHTING AND 315 INFORMATION. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE? >> AYE. >> ALL RIGHT ANY VOTE NO. I VOTE NO. TWO NO'S, ME, CHAIR AND MR. DAVIS. >> SO ALL RIGHT. WE ARE DONE WITH THAT ONE. I LOST MY AGENDA FOR A SECOND. >> IF I COULD MR. CHAIR. COUNTY ATTORNEY HAS CLARIFICATION ON DISTANCES. >> WHAT THE FLORIDA STATUTE PROVIDES FOR IS THAT THE MEDICAL MARIJUANA TREATMENT CENTER DISPENSING FACILITY MAY NOT BE LOCATED 500 FEET OF REAL PROPERTY, PRIVATE, PUBLIC, ELEMENTARY OR SECONDARY MIDDLE SCHOOL. UNLESS IT IS THROUGH A FORMAL PROCEEDING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. >> OKAY. THIS BRINGS US TO WE HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS. BOTH IN THE WILLOW SPRINGS AREA ACROSS THE STREET FROM 315. THIS IS, IT IS PRETTY MUCH -- [2.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2022-01. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)] CAN YOU, NO. 2 IS THE ONE WE'LL DO FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT 2022-01. SMALL SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT TO FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND CHANGE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF ONE PARCEL 1.892 ACRES FROM RURAL FRINGE TO COMMERCIAL. DOTTY, YOU HAVE THIS ONE. >> I DO. >> THIS WILL ALSO GO TO THE BOARD. >> THAT WAS NO. BE. >> BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MARCH 22ND. ON THE EAST SIDE OF 315. DISTRICT FIVE COMMISSIONER BURKE. PORTION OF THAT PARCEL. GOING FROM RURAL FRINGE. HERE IS A, CAN YOU SEE? IT IS JUST THAT SCREEN. YOU HAVE LOCATION HERE ON THE MAP AND AERIAL. AND THIS ON THE LEFT EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE AND ON THE RIGHT PROPOSED. EXISTING COMMERCIAL IS IN BLACK THERE. AND THIS WOULD BE EXPANSION OF EXISTING COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE PORTION. HERE IS A PLAN FOR THAT WHOLE PARCEL. COMMERCIAL BOTTOM LEFT PORTION. THEN THERE IS STORM AREA FOR STORM WATER. FUTURE FIRE STATION, RESIDENTIAL LOTS. WE'LL DISCUSS ALL OF THAT UNDER PUD. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THIS YOU HAD A LARGER VIEW AND UNDERSTOOD COMMERCIAL IS THAT SOUTHWEST CORNER PORTION. >> UM, REALIGNMENT RUNS THROUGH THAT PARCEL. I AM GOING TO BACK UP A SLIDE. WHEN WE SAY REALIGNMENT. ALMOST AT THE NORTH PART OF THE [01:55:06] COMMERCIAL RUNNING ACROSS. IT IS OUR NEW TECHNICAL TERM. KEEPING WITH THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, STAFF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF CPA 2022-01. >> QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? TRYING TO KEEP THE MAPS STRAIGHT. ELECTRONICS ARE DIFFICULT. I CAN'T GO BACK AND FORTH VERY EASILY. IS THIS PIECE WE ARE LOOKING AT FOR THE CHANGE IS THIS INCLUSIVE INSIDE THE PUD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LATER? LOOKING AT A PIECE OF LAND INSIDE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NEXT? >> CREBBING. >> OKAY. -- CORRECT. >> VERY GOOD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OPEN PUBLIC HEARING MISS FRAZIER? >> I HAVE MAPS THAT MAKE THINGS CLEARER. >> THIS WAS A PUD DONE I CAN'T REMEMBER NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. COMMERCIAL COMPONENT. THERE WE GO. ENTITLED THIS 2016. BOUGHT BY CURRENT HOMEOWNER DEVELOPER AND AMENDED IN 2018. NORTH IS THAT WAY. PUD WHEN WE DID PUD IN 2016, WE PUT A FIVE-ACRE COMMERCIAL PARCEL IN PUD. ALL THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND A BOX. THAT IS THE FIVE ACRE COMMERCIAL BACK IN 2015-2016. THE SWOOSH, FIRST COAST CONNECTOR LOOKED LIKE IT DID ON THIS MAP. COMMERCIAL AND FIRST COAST CONNECTOR NORTH OF THE COMMERCIAL. THAT IS WHERE IT IS UNTIL VERY RECENTLY. SO WE HAVE FIVE ACRES OF COMMERCIAL TODAY. THIS IS PART OF A BIG PUD 219 ACRES. THE EXISTING LAND USE FIVE ACRES OF COMMERCIAL, REST OF IT IS RESIDENTIAL. WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE 13.92. NEXT ONE AND NEXT ONE BEYOND THIS ONE AND THE NEXT ONE. THIS IS A PIECE YOU ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE PUD. >> THE NECTIONS ONE, PLEASE. SO THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL WE HAVE NOW. BUT SEE THAT DASH LINE IS WHERE THE FCC IS NOW. IF YOU REMEMBER WHAT WE SHOWED YOU TWO SLIDES AGO, THE FCC WAS ON THE NORTDS SIDE OF THE COMMERCIAL. SO THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE IS WHEN THAT ROAD MOVED, THAT LITTLE PIECE OF COMMERCIAL WAS KIND OF ODDLY SHAPED. YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE, THAT'S WHERE IT IS TODAY. THE FCC ALIGNMENT BACK WHEN THIS WAS FIRST DONE. THIS IS WHERE THE FCC IS TODAY. IF YOU LOOK NEXT TO THE COMMERCIAL WHY THAT EDGE GOES LIKE IT DOES BECAUSE THAT ABUTS UP THE COUNTY'S LAND. THIS IS EVERYTHING NORTH OF THE FIST COAST CONNECTOR. I ALREADY HAVE FIVE ACRES, SO THE PIECE THAT'S LEFT IS 8.92 ACRES. THE LAND USED TO SAY TAKE THE FIVE YOU'VE GOT, ADD THE NEW LAND, WHICH IS DODDIE'S MAP, YOU END UP WITH THIS. WHEN YOU END UP WITH THIS, WHERE'S MY LITTLE [02:00:01] MAP. IT'S GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL LAND USE ALL THE WAY TO MY PROPERTY BOUNDARY. I DON'T KNOW, DODDIE IF YOU'VE GOT YOUR MAP. SO THE COMMERCIAL COMES TO THE BOTTOM. BUT THE COUNTY NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO OPEN IN TO A MOBILITY CREDIT UNITE FOR THAT RIGHT OF WAY. WHEN THEY OWN THAT RIGHT OF WAY, THE COMMERCIAL WILL NOT BE 13.92 BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE ABOUT 2.75 ACRES OF THAT AND MOVE IT INTO A ROAD. THE WHOLE THING NEEDS LAND USE. THE COUNTY IS GOING TO COME TAKE A PIECE OUT. WE'LL BE LEFT WITH JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 11 ACRES. THERE'S A STREAM. IT'S UNLIKELY WE'LL DEVELOP THAT BECAUSE THAT'S WET. FOR THE REST OF THE COMMERCIAL, WE'LL GET A PERMIT AND FILL IT. BECAUSE YOU CAN DO THAT FOR COMMERCIAL. WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT 8 TO 9 ACRES OF DEVELOPMENT. A COUPLE FOR WETLANDS, AND THE COUNTY WILL TAKE THE ROAD. COMMERCIAL LAND USE. RIGHT NOW WHAT DO YOU NEED TO ADD TO THE COMMERCIAL YOU HAVE TO CREATE THAT BOUNDARY FOR COMMERCIAL. NEXT ONE, PLEASE. REALLY WE'RE HERE TO SAY WE'RE HERE TO EXPAND THE COMMERCIAL. THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE THE FCC GOT REALIGNED. IT CREATED THIS LOGICAL BOUNDARY FOR COMMERCIAL NORTH OF IT. IT'S A SMALL SCALE LAND USE CHANGE. AND SO THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. THE SECOND STEP WILL BE THE ZONING THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AT THE NEXT HEARING. >> DODDIE, CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF MAPS. IT HAD COLOR IN IT. RIGHT THERE. >> THAT WAS WHERE THE ROAD WAS. >> SO WE'RE GOING TO GRAB THAT SINCE THE ROAD IS NOT GOING THERE ANYMORE. >> RIGHT. IN ESSENCE THE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY IN WHAT IS NOW IN YELLOW IS COGOING TO COME OUT O THE YELLOW. >> SO THAT ROAD IS GOING TO BACK RIGHT UP TO THOSE HOUSES, ISN'T IT? >> WE WORKED WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT. THERE'S A GOOD BUFFER. THERE'S LIKE A 30 FOOT, 40 FOOT DISTANCE. PCI OWNS THAT PIECE THAT'S LEFT. SO THEY HAD A BUFFER. THE COUNTY, THE ROAD ALIGNMENT IS BASED ON SPEED AND GEOMETRY. IT LOOKS LIKE IT DOES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU CREATE THE SWOOP. IT CAN'T BE ANY TIGHTER BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING TOO FAST. SO THEY SET THE GEOMETRY AND THEN DID AN OFF SET. SO IT WON'T. BEHIND THOSE LOTS YOU'LL SEE, SEE THERE'S A DOUBLE LINE BEHIND THE LOTS. THAT'S A BUFFER. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER BUFFER BETWEEN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THEM. >> THERE'S ALSO A SIGNIFICANT ELEVATION DIFFERENCE. THOSE HOUSES SIT HIGHER THAN THE ROAD WILL. GO FORWARD ON THE MAP. RIGHT THERE. IS THAT -- WELL I KNOW THE ROAD HASN'T BEEN RELOCATED. BUT UP AT THE NORTH PART OF THAT, IS THAT FAIRLY REPRESENTATIVE OF HOW THAT ROADS GOING TO END UP? IS -- SO THESE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OFF JEREMY'S DRIVE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAVE NO TRAFFIC. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO MAKE A RIGHT TURN TO GET BACK TO 315 AGAIN. IS THAT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE SET UP? >> YES. >> WHAT IT WILL TAKE ARE ALL THE TRASH TRUCKS. EVERYONE HEADED TO R ROSEMARY, RIGHT TURN. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THERE. UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO YOUR HOUSE, YOU'RE TURNING ON THE FCC. THE ONLY PEOPLE TURNING ARE THE PEOPLE ON FUZZY LANE AND JEREMY'S GLEN. THAT'S GOING TO BE A QUIET CORNER. THE PUD THAT YOU'RE GOING TO CONSIDER NEXT HAS FOUR. THEY HAVE GOOD ACCESS BUT NO THROUGH TRAFFIC ANYMORE. >> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE ONE. >> YES. >> IN YOUR REPORT, THERE IS A DIAGRAM LABELED REGIONALLY SIGNIFICANT HABITAT AND IT'S GOT SHADED AREAS OF GREEN AND BLACK AND YELLOW. THERE'S NO KEY TO [02:05:09] EXPLAIN WHAT IT MEANS. >> THAT'S A MAP FROM THE COUNTY'S EVALUATION APPRAISAL REPORT. THE CONSULTANT WHO DID THAT RANKED HIGH QUALITY WILDLIFE HABITAT. LOW QUALITY WILDLIFE HABITAT. THIS WAS THE LOWEST. >> THAT'S WHAT IT SAID BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT CLUED ME IN ON THAT. >> THE MAP ON THE APPLICATION WAS BETTER THAN WHAT WAS REPRODUCED THERE. WHEN I TURNED IT IN, YOU COULD SEE THE REPRODUCTION HAS BEEN MADE. IT'S THE MAP FROM THE COUNTY. BUT THE STAFF REPORT SAYS THE SAME THING. THE STAFF REPORT SAYS NO SIGNIFICANT HABITAT. SO THEY'VE LOOKED AT THE SAME DATA AND DREW THE SAME CONCLUSION. THAT THERE IS NO SIGNIFICANT HABITAT. OR IT'S THE LOWEST HABITAT THAT THE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> NO. THAT WAS IT. >> OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS. DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? STAND. COME TO THE MIC. NAME AND ADDRESS. I KNOW WE GOT IT BEFORE. BUT AGAIN, PLEASE >> RUSSEL OST. WE'RE IN JEREMY'S GLEN THERE. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME BEING ABLE TO SEE THIS. BUT WITH THE CHANGE THAT WE HAVE HERE, WE KNOW THE REASON FOR THIS. THIS ANSWERS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS: WHY ARE WE HAVING ALL THESE CHANGES FROM PUD. BECAUSE THE ROAD CHANGE. BUT NOW WITH THAT ROAD CHANGE JUST BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE A HOMEOWNERS MEETING MARCH 22ND SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO MY RESIDENTS THERE. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A TRAFFIC SIGNAL? IT'S NICE NOT TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC GO IN FRONT WHICH WILL BE A GOOD THING. BUT THE THING IS, HOW DO WE GET ON A BUSIER ROAD THERE? DO WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THERE'S A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE? >> WELL I THINK THE BEST THING THERE WOULD BE FOR HIM TO CONTACT WHO? YOU OR THE TRAFFIC? >> ACTUALLY THIS WOULD BE ED DENDOR, HE'S THE HEAD OF THE BONDED ROAD PROJECT. >> HE COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU ALL THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED. >> YEAH. >> SO CAN SOMEONE WRITE HIS NAME AND CONTACT INFORMATION DOWN FOR THIS GENTLEMAN, PLEASE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO COMMENT ON? >> NO, BUT I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU. IF YOU'VE EVER SEEN THESE LIGHTS AT NIGHT, THESE BILLBOARDS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. NOW THAT THEY CUT ALL THE TREES OUT OF THE 202009 SECTION THERE. YOU SEE THOSE THINGS AT NIGHT. THAT'S ONE REASON WE CHOSE WHERE WE LIVE. IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL KIND OF MORE FARM COMMUNITY TYPE ATMOSPHERE. ALL OF THE SUDDEN SEEING THE REDS, THE BLUES, THE GREEN LIGHTS BOUNCING OFF THE TREES COMING THROUGH THERE, I'M JUST NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT EITHER. SO I ONLY HAVE TWO CHOICES, EITHER TO LEAVE CLAY COUNTY OR LET'S NOT HAVE THAT HERE. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THE MARCH 22ND MEETING AS WELL. >> AND I CAN GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE MR. DENDOR'S DIRECT NUMBER SO THAT WILL BE HELPFUL. >> JUST A MOMENT. I'M TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH YOU. THE DIRECT NUMBER IS 529-4260. AND HIS CELL PHONE NUMBER IS 540-0739. >> ONE MORE TIME, THE LAST FOUR. >> 0739 IS THE CELL. >> AND THESE ARE BOTH 904 AREA CODES? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> THANKS, COURTNEY. >> THAT'S IT I BELIEVE. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I DON'T KNOW THERE'S ANY REBUTTAL YOU NEED, IS THERE? >> NO. >> THEN I'M GOING TO BRING THIS -- >> JERRY. >> OH, JERRY, PLEASE COME UP. >> I'M STILL JERRY PRESLEY. I [02:10:03] STILL LIVE AT 1633 OLD CHURCH ROAD. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT YOUR MIND AT EASE A LITTLE BIT AT THE DIGITAL SIGNS. THESE ARE NOT THE BILLBOARDS. IT GIVES PEOPLE COMING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD CHANGING INFORMATION. BBQ TONIGHT. WHATEVER. THESE ARE THE SMALLER SIGNS THAT ARE INFORMATIONAL. NOBODY WANTS A LAS VEGAS ON THIS ROAD. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> YES. JERRY, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THAT'S THE TYPE OF SIGN I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> I GET THAT. >> THE SIGN IS A DISTRACTOR BECAUSE IT'S CHANGING AND PEOPLE ARE, OH MY, WHAT ARE THEY DOING NOW. HIGHWAY 17 IS A TRAIN WRECK WAITING TO HAPPEN. >> I JUST WANTED TO DISPEL THE BILLBOARD THING. >> BUT I THINK WE CLARIFIED THAT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MONUMENT SIGNS AND WALL SIGNS IN YOUR CASE. OKAY. I NEED A MOTION ON THIS ONE. WE'RE TO THAT POINT, GUYS. >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> OKAY. >> SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT. MR. NORTON AND MR. GARRISON. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR THE STAFF REPORTS STATE AYE. >> AYE. >> AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. THAT WOULD BE SEVEN BECAUSE THERE'S NO SCHOOL BOARD ON THAT ONE. AND WE'RE AFTER 7:00. GOOD JOB. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT GIVES US ONE MORE ITEM. SORRY, I LOST MY MENU AGAIN. NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD 22-202. [3.  Public Hearing to consider PUD 2022-02. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)] THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING OF ONE PARCEL FROM PUD TO PUD. IT'S A RE-PUD IN ESSENCE. MS. FRAZIER, OH NO, WHO HAS THIS ONE? MS. SELIG, PLEASE. >> AGAIN, THIS ONE WILL GO TO THE BOARD ON MARCH 22ND. >> HELP ME A SECOND. WHAT ITEM? >> ITEM TWO -- THREE. >> THREE. >> OKAY. WE'VE COVERED ALL OF THAT IN THE PREVIOUS. ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU SAID IT'S A RE-PUD. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE SITE CHANGE. THERE WILL BE FOUR ACRES THAT WILL BE A CIVIC SITE PLAN WHICH WILL BE POTENTIAL FUTURE FIRE STATION ON THE SITE. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL LOTS, SINGLE FAMILY. AND THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF SIX NOW. IT'S A CHANGE FROM PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED 11. SO THERE'S THE AERIAL AND MAP SHOWING YOU THE LOCATION. AND WILL ZONING IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. AND AGAIN, THE SAME MAP OF THE PARCEL WITH THESE PROPOSED USES. AND I THINK YOU COULD FAIRLY WELL SEE WHERE THE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. THERE'S THE FOUR THAT BACK ON TO 315 AS IT CURRENTLY IS. SO ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR ACROSS HERE. THEN THERE'S FIRE STATION PARCEL. THEN THERE'S A FIVE AND A SIX ON THE OTHER SIDE. STORM WATER POND FOR THE ROAD IN THE MIDDLE. >> DODIE, THE FIRE STATION PARCEL BACKS UP AS WELL. >> IT DOES. SO STAFF'S LOOKED OVER THIS AND FEELS IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. FURTHERS THE OBJECTIVE TO INCREASE CONNECTIVITY THROUGH THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. AND THE LINK TO THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. AND THE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES WILL BE THOSE PERMITTED UNDER THE PUD THAT ARE IN EXHIBIT A OF THE APPLICANT'S WRITTEN STATEMENT. AND WE GOT THOSE TO YOU ON -- >> YOU WANT ONE. >> I'VE GOT ONE, THANK YOU. THERE ARE TWO HANDOUTS THAT ARE RELATED TO THIS PUD. ONE IS THE ACTUAL WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT IS UPDATED. AND THAT THE APPLICANT UPDATED. WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT INTO YOUR ONLINE AGENDA. >> CAN I TAKE A SHORT CUT AND JUST ASK YOU, ARE THESE THE SAME [02:15:06] SARATOGA SPRINGS AND WILLOW SPRINGS. >> NO. THEY DIFFER ONLY IN ONE LINE. >> I HAD TO POINT THAT OUT. >> I HAD TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU, YES. WILLOW SPRINGS IS ONE THAT'S NORTH OF THE USES. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WAS ON THIS ONE WE STRUCK THE INTERMODAL CENTER. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN. >> OKAY. >> AND THE APPLICANT OF COURSE SHE'LL GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION AND GIVE YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION ON THIS AND THE CHANGES THAT ARE IN THE WRITTEN STATEMENT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF PUD 2202. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> MR. BRAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED. OF COURSE OUR LOVE OUR FIREFIGHTERS LIKE I LOVE OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THE FIRE STATION ABUTTING A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME, I'M CURIOUS WHY THAT WAS APPROVED OR WHY THAT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL, AND THEN WHAT WOULD THE NOISE IMPLICATIONS BE TO THOSE RESIDENTS KNOWING THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO OUT AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT LIKE OUR POLICE FORCE. HOW WOULD THAT IMPACT THOSE FOUR LOTS THAT RUN 315 BEING IN THAT PROXIMITY. AND OF COURSE YOU'VE GOT JEREMY'S GLEN LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. >> WE HAVE FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE PRETTY CLOSE TO RESIDENTIAL IN OTHER AREAS. AND YOU KIND OF WANT A NEARBY FIRE STATION. IT'S GOING TO BRING DOWN YOUR INSURANCE FOR ONE THING. AND OF COURSE RESPONSE TIMES GO DOWN. SO THESE ARE FAIRLY LARGE LOTS. THE FIRE STATION IS ON A FOUR-ACRE PARCEL. THEY'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE SOME LANDSCAPING AND THAT KIND OF THING. BUT THEY NEED TO BE ON A GOOD THROUGH ROAD FOR ACCESS COMING IN AND OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER THINGS WERE CONSIDERED. I WASN'T PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. >> I THINK MAYBE THEY'RE THE CONVERSATION -- AND THE APPLICANT MAY BE VERSED ON THIS AND CAN SHARE IT. EVERY TIME THEY GET A CALL, DOES A SIREN GO OFF. WHEN THEY'RE BLAZING OUT OF A STATION AND HEADING TO. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW TOO MANY FOLKS THAT WOULD WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO A FIRE STATION IF THERE'S A TON OF ACTIVITY THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT. THAT'S REALLY MY QUESTION. WHAT ARE THE ALLOWABLE PROTOCOLS FOR A FIRE STATION RIGHT UP AGAINST RESIDENTIAL? >> SO I LIVE IN LAKE OSBERRY, AND WE HAVE A FIRE STATION WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFIC PROTOCOLS ARE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, BUT WHEN THEY DO LEAVE AT CERTAIN HOURS OF THE NIGHT, THEY WILL JUST TURN ON THEIR LIGHTS AND THEY DON'T TURN ON THE SIRENS UNTIL THEY GET TO A CERTAIN POINT OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> I WOULD ADD, MIKE, THAT I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO ONE RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM ME. AND THE ONLY THING I THINK YOU HEAR IS WHEN THE ALARM GOES OFF, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT A LITTLE BIT. >> INSIDE THE STATION. >> YOU HEAR IT OUTSIDE, TOO. IT'S PRETTY LOUD. THOSE GUYS GOTTA GET OUT OF BED, YOU KNOW. BUT THEY TYPICALLY DON'T TURN THEIR SIRENS ON UNTIL THEY GET TO DOWN IN MY CASE LIKE COLLEGE OR THEY'RE APPROACHING THE RAILROAD TRACKS. BUT THEY DON'T TURN IT ON RIGHT WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THE FIRE STATION. >> THANK YOU. >> YEAH. THEY PUT THEIR LIGHTS ON. THAT'S IT. >> YOU'RE DONE. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. MS. FRAZIER, DO YOU HAVE THIS ONE? >> I HAVE MAPS FOR YOU, ALTHOUGH YOU SAW MOST OF MY MAPS. SUSAN FRAZIER REPRESENTING PCI. THIS POWERPOINT IS LIKE, DODIE IF YOU CAN GO FOUR SLIDES IN. THIS WAS A PUD THAT WAS APPROVED BEFORE. >> HEY, SUSAN, CAN YOU PULL THE MIC DOWN A LITTLE BIT. >> MS. FRAZIER, I HAVE A TERRIBLE TIME UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK MAYBE IT'S THE PLACEMENT OF THE MICROPHONE. >> THERE YOU GO. THAT WILL DO IT. OKAY. SO THIS PUD, AGAIN, IF YOU'VE MADE A RECOMMENDATION FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE. SO IF YOU'LL GO, DODIE JUST TO THE LAND USE MAP, THAT MAP RIGHT THERE. I'M SORRY. BOOP. KEEP GOING. ONE MORE. OKAY. SO WILLOW SPRINGS NORTH, IT'S CALLED NORTH JUST SO WE CAN SAY WE'RE ON THE NORTH PART. IT IS A PORTION OF AN EXISTING PUD. 54.75 ACRES. THE WHOLE PUD WAS ALMOST 220 [02:20:05] ACRES. SO THIS OVERALL PUD IS GOING FROM 404 UNITS TO 393 UNITS. SO IT'S A REDUCTION OVERALL. THE PLAN, THE NORTH PLAN, MEANING OUR PART THAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, HAS 25 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS ON IT. IN 2018, WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE THIS EVENING IS SIX SINGLE FAMILY LOTS. REDUCTION IN RESIDENTIAL. WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL. YOU SAW ME HERE HOW THAT ACREAGE IS GOING TO GO UP. THERE'S AN ADDITION OF A CIVIC SITE. AND IT WILL SHOW THE CORRECT ALIGNMENT FOR THE ROAD AND THE POND. SO AGAIN, WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THE ROAD NOW HAS SOME REALITY AND IT HAS AN ALIGNMENT. WHEN YOU WORK OUT THE GEOMETRY WHERE EVERYTHING GOES, THIS IS KINDA WHAT WORKS OUT. IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT ONE WHICH I THINK IS THE SITE PLAN. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, THE COMMERCIAL IS KIND OF -- WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT. THERE'S MIXED USE TO THE CREEK. THIS IS GOING TO BE THAT KIND OF COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ON THIS NEW ROAD. THERE WILL BE A POND. THERE WILL BE A FIRE STATION. THIS FIRE STATION IS AN OBLIGATION OF THERE'S A TWO-ACRE FIRE STATION OBLIGATION IN SAR SARATOGA. THE COUNTY SAID WE'D LIKE A FIRE STATION. THIS IS A RESULT OF THAT DISCUSSION. WHEN WE TALKED TO THE COUNTY ABOUT WHERE THE FIRE STATION GOES, THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A MODEL FOR THEIR RESPONSE TIMES. SO THEIR STATION LOCATIONS OVERLAP. SO IF ONE FIRE TRUCK IS OUT, THERE'S AN OVERLAP AND THERE'S ANOTHER CALL THAT TRUCK CAN GO THERE. SO THIS LOCATION IS PARTICULARLY GOOD FOR THE COUNTY BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THEM TO COVER 315 AND 209, AS WELL AS QUICKLY ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE EXPRESSWAY. SO YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU WANT IT, HOW MIGHT IT WORK. THIS WAS A GOOD SITE FOR THE COUNTY. AND IT'S A GOOD SITE FOR US. THE LOTS THAT FACE 315 ARE HALF ACRE, ONE ACRE, I THINK LOT NUMBER 3 IS 1.5 ACRE. THE STANDARD IS MINIMUM 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON THE ROAD THAT'S IN PUD TODAY. LOT THREE AND FOUR HAVE 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE ON 315. YOU SEE THAT LITTLE NOTCH, THAT'S AN OUT PARCEL THAT SOMEBODY ELSE OWNS AND PCI HAS TRIED TO BUY IT. THEY'VE BEEN UNSUCCESSFUL. SO THOSE LOTS HAVE TO WRAP AROUND THAT EXISTING OUT PARCEL AND HAVE 50 FEET OF FRONTAGE. LOT TWO HAS 100 FEET OF FRONTAGE, AND LOT THREE HAS MORE. MAYBE 200 FEET OF FRONTAGE. >> HOW DEEP IS THAT NOTCH? >> 50 FEET. NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. SO THESE ARE INTENDED TO BE THE RURAL CHARACTER, THE FUZZY LANE 315 CHARACTER THAT YOU SEE. THESE WILL BE BOUGHT BY SOMEBODY WHO WANTS A BIGGER LOT RATHER THAN SEEING THE PUD WE HAD BEFORE, WE HAD 25 LOTS IN THERE. THERE IT IS. THERE WAS A LITTLE ROAD AND THEY WERE GOING TO BE ON 50 BY 120. ONCE YOU PUT THE FIRE STATION IN THERE, BUILDING A ROAD FOR 10 LOTS AND ALL THAT, IT JUST WASN'T WORTH IT. AND THE CHARACTER OF THAT COMMUNITY WOULD MAKE IT ATTRACTIVE FOR THESE LARGER LOTS. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO OUR CURRENT PLAN. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, WE'VE GOT THOSE FOUR AND THEN THERE'S TWO BIG PIECES OF PROPERTY, ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. IF YOU COULD OWN ALL THAT AND PUT YOUR TREEHOUSE IN THE BACK AND HAVE YOUR BIG THREE-CAR GARAGE WORKSHOP IN THE BACK, THESE ARE GOING TO BE REALLY NICE LOTS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE LITTLE SHOE HORN THINGS. SIX LOTS, FIRE STATION, EXPANDED CONNECTOR. WE WORK WITH STAFF ON THE USES FOR THE COMMERCIAL. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A SECOND. THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONES YOU SAW BEFORE. AND FOR THE RESIDENTIAL, THESE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE SEPTIC TANKS. WHEN SERVICE IS NOT AVAILABLE. SERVICE IS A GRAVITY LINE TO THE LOT. IT'S NOT A GRAVITY LINE, IT'S A FORCE NAME FOR 315. IT MEETS THE STANDARD FOR NOT AVAILABLE IN THE COMP PLANNING RURAL FRINGE. THESE ARE SIX LOTS THAT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ON SEPTIC TANKS. WE WORK WITH STAFF, WE WERE WORKING ON THIS LAST WEEK. I DO BELIEVE YOU WERE [02:25:01] GIVEN A REVISED VERSION. THEY WERE MINOR CHANGES BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT THEM. THE LAST DATE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE WAS FEBRUARY 4TH. THERE'S LIKE FOUR REVISION DATES RUNNING AT THE BOTTOM. SO MOST OF THIS IS SEMANTICS, IF YOU WILL, AND NO INTENT WHATSOEVER. IF YOU GO TO THE TOP OF PAGE TWO OF THE HARD COPY THAT YOU HAVE. PARAGRAPH NUMBER THREE. THE MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL THAT WE'RE ALLOWED TO GET THREE UNITS PER ACRE IS 11. THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PACKET. BUT WE'RE ONLY SEEKING APPROVAL OF SIX. AND SO THERE WAS CONFUSION THERE. BOTH IN THE WORDING AND THE INTENT. SO THE VERSION WE'RE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE SAYS MAXIMUM UNDER THIS PUD IS SIX. NUMBER FOUR IS ADDING A CIVIC SITE FOR USE OF THE FIRE STATION. AND IT SAID CONSTRUCTION OF THE FIRE STATION. THAT'S JUST SOME SEMANTICS. AND THEN THE OTHER LANGUAGE IS ON PAGE THREE AND IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FIRE STATION. SO IT'S THINGS LIKE FOUR ACRES OF CIVIC USE FOR USE AS A FIRE STATION AND NOT CONSTRUCTION OF A FIRE STATION. SO THOSE ARE THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO WHAT'S IN YOUR HANDS. THE -- SO IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT, BUT WE WANTED YOU TO HAVE WHAT THE DOCUMENT LOOKS LIKE. ON PAGE THREE, PLANNING PRINCIPLES FOR THE 2014 PLAN. IT'S DONATION OF CIVIC SITE WILL BE SET FORTH IN AN AGREEMENT. PCI WILL HAVE A CONTRACTUAL LAND DONATION AGREEMENT FOR A FIRE STATION. WHO DOES WHAT AND WHEN DO YOU DO IT AND ALL THIS KIND OF STUFF. THAT'S WHERE THE DETAILS CAN BE FOUND. SO I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT USES BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S MAYBE THE FRONT OF YOUR CONVERSATION. >> YOU MEAN THIS LIST? >> YEAH. >> I GUESS THE ONLY QUESTION IS CAN YOU JUST TELL US WHAT'S DIFFERENT BETWEEN THIS ONE AND THE ONE WE LOOKED AT. >> AND I THINK DODIE DID. IT WAS THE INTERMODAL CENTER IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THAT THERE IS.T THE END. >> YEAH. MM-HMM. BUT THIS SAYS MANY WAREHOUSES HAVE TO BE AN ARTERIAL BECAUSE I GOT AN ARTERIAL. AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T TO SAY THAT ALL THIS IS COMING. IT'S TO SAY THAT THE AREA AND THE ROAD ACCESS SUPPORTS THESE USES AND UNTIL SOMEBODY COMES UP, WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE CHOICES. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DO. >> YES, MA'AM. >> I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT AND THIS IS ON YOUR REPORT PAGE TWO. THERE'S A DECREASE IN FIVE ACRES OF WETLANDS AND I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM. IT WAS ORIGINALLY 75.22. AND ON THE NEW PROPOSAL, IT'S 70.52. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE FIVE ACRES. >> THEY MOVED OUT OF RURAL FRINGE AND INTO COMMERCIAL. SO IN COMMERCIAL THEY'RE CONSIDERED DEVELOPABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN GET A PERMIT TO FILL THEM. IN RESIDENTIAL THEY'RE NOT. SO WHEN A COMMERCIAL WITH A LITTLE FIVE ACRE BOX AT THE BOTTOM, THAT WETLAND THAT'S ON THE NORTH OF COMMERCIAL, AND ON THE NORTHEAST EDGE OF COMMERCIAL. THAT WAS ALL IN RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT FIVE ACRES WAS NOT IN THE COMMERCIAL LAND USE CATEGORY. SO THAT'S WHERE THE MATH COMES FROM. >> SO DOES THAT MEAN THEY'LL NO LONGER BE PROTECTED? >> ALL WETLANDS ARE PROTECTED BY THE RULES OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. AND THE RULES OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT ARE SUCH THAT WELL YOU CAN DO THIS FOR RESIDENTIAL AS WELL. YOU CAN MITIGATE COMMERCIAL IN FLORIDA. YOU PAY FOR CREDITS OR YOU HAVE OFF SITE MITIGATION. BUT IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. FOR RESIDENTIAL IT'S GENERALLY AVAILABLE BECAUSE IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. BUT FOR COMMERCIAL IT IS USUALLY FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WETLANDS THAT ARE IN THAT COMMERCIAL BOX, ONCE THE COUNTY WHIPS THROUGH WITH THE CONNECTOR, THEY'RE ALL ISOLATED. THE WETLANDS TO THE SOUTH ARE GOING TO BE UNDER SIX FEET OF FILL WHEN THEY BUILD THAT ROAD. THE WETLANDS IN THE COMMERCIAL NOW DON'T HAVE MUCH VALUE. [02:30:02] THEY'RE PRETTY SMALL AND THEY'RE NEXT TO A FOUR-LANE ROAD. SO YES, YOU CAN GET A PERMIT. YOU CAN FILL THOSE. AND YOU PAY INTO A MITIGATION BANK OR SAVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. OR YOU SAVE WETLANDS ON YOUR PROPERTY. >> SO THERE IS A MITIGATION PROCESS. >> YES. >> THAT'S UNDER THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? I GOT A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. UNDER I THINK I'M LOOKING AT YOUR WRIT STATEMENT. LET ME MAKE SURE. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO TELL WHERE YOU ARE IN THIS SO IT MAY TAKE ME A SECOND. >> IN THAT EELECTRONIC THING. >> IT'S GOT AVAILABILITY -- NO. LAND SUITABILITY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE THAT IS. IT'S PAGE 11 HERE. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE LAND USE. >> IT MIGHT BE. >> THE ONLY REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY THE LAND USE LANGUAGE. >> WELL IT'S IN THIS SECTION. LET ME SEE AND MAKE SURE I DIDN'T GET TOO FAR DOWN. THERE'S THE MAP. MAP, MAP. >> YEAH, THE MAPS ARE ON THE LAND USE. I THINK WHEN YOU'RE SAYING MAP, MAP, MAP, THAT'S THE LAND USE APPLICATION. >> I AM. SORRY. THANK YOU. THIS IS THE PUD. I LOST MY NOTE. >> BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON A PIECE OF PAPER. >> THAT'S RIGHT. YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON THE LAND USE WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT A HISTORICAL SITE. BUT I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANY ON THIS PROPERTY. >> AND I CAN SAY THAT I KNOW THERE WASN'T. I THINK IN THE STAFF ANALYSIS THERE'S LIKE TWO STRUCTURES OFF OF FUZZY LANE AND NOTHING ELSE. >> YEAH. >> HERE IT IS. HERE'S THE WRIT THING. GOT IT. >> YEAH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT FOR HISTORICAL, THE MAPS REALLY GOOD. >> NO HISTORICAL RESOURCES. OKAY. I THINK YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT IN HERE. IS IT IN THE PUD, SUSAN, ABOUT DIGITAL SIGNS, AGAIN? >> LET'S LOOK. I'M NOT SURE. I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT IT SAYS THAT. >> IS IT IN THERE? >> YEAH. >> I KINDA LOST MY -- >> WRITTEN REPORT. >> IS THERE? >> YEAH. >> YES, ON SIX OF THE WRITTEN STATEMENT. >> THANK YOU. OKAY. DID I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION TO HER. >> YOU CAN DEAL WITH THAT. I'M GOING TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING THEN. AND BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION. I WANT TO POINT OUT, AGAIN, THAT I DO SUPPORT THIS BUT I DO NOT LIKE THESE DIGITAL SIGNS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE REASON THAT I VOTE NO. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON. OKAY. WITH THAT,GO AHEAD. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THE STAFF REPORT. >> OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND. >> SECOND. >> SECOND FOR MR. GARRISON. ANY FURTHER? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF REPORT STATE AYE. >> AYE. >> AND ALL OPPOSED. >> AYE. >> NO. >> SAME TWO NEGATIVES. OKAY. BELIEVE THAT ACTUALLY CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR TONIGHT. >> THERE'S ONE MORE. >> OH YEAH, I'M GOING TO DO THAT ONE. SO I'M GOING TO OPEN THE GENERAL PUBLIC HEARING. THE LAST ONE. I KNOW WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY AT FIRST. THIS IS TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WANT THAT APPLIES TO PLANNING THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA. SEEING NONE, [02:35:03] I'LL CLOSE IT. AND WE'RE AT OLD BUSINESS AND NEW BUSINESS. MR. [Old Business/New Business] GARRISON. >> I JUST WOULD LIKE -- I APPRECIATE THAT WE WENT TO DIGITAL, BUT I'D LIKE -- I THINK THERE WAS SOME IMPROVEMENT THAT COULD BE MADE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. MAYBE IF THERE'S PAGE NUMBERS OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN REFORMAT IT TO MAKE IT EASIER TO KEEP UP WITH STUFF. I FOUND MYSELF GOING BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH. THE OTHER COMMENT I HAVE. AND I GET THAT PEOPLE ADD STUFF LATE OR WHATEVER. MULTIPLE TIMES IT SEEMED LIKE THAT THERE WERE MAPS THAT PEOPLE HAD THAT WE DON'T HAVE. THAT'S IT. OTHER THAN THAT -- AND I'M ALL ON BOARD WITH THE DIGITAL THING 100%. MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE USER FRIENDLY WOULD BE NICE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> TO BILL'S POINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL IF THE PAGE NUMBERS FOR EACH ITEM AS THEY APPEAR IN OUR PDFS WERE REFLECTED ON THE AGENDA ITEMS. THAT MIGHT HELP A LITTLE BIT. FOR FINDING OUR PLACES WITHIN THE MATERIALS. BUT I APPRECIATE THIS PORT THAT WE RECEIVE FROM IT AND THE INSTRUCTION. AND QUICK RESPONSES WHEN I HAD QUESTIONS. I'D JUST LIKE TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION. AND FOR THE EDUCATION AND TRAINING. >> ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS? DID EVERYBODY SEND AN EMAIL TO SHARICE AS THEY HAD ASKED. I SENT ONE. I DIDN'T SEE ANY RESPONSE TO IT, BY THE WAY. BUT I DID SEND ONE. >> WELL I DID FORWARD IT TO MY STAFF AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT. WE TALKED ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE] I DON'T THINK I GOT ONE FROM ANYBODY ELSE. SO I WOULD ON THAT NOTE SAY THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING REALLY EXCELLENT GUINEA PIGS. Y'ALL DID A GREAT JOB. I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN YOUR COMMENTS, BILL AND I WILL SEND THEM TO OUR IT STAFF BECAUSE I AGREE, THEY'VE BEEN VERY HELPFUL. I THINK ERIC IS STILL BACK THERE IN THE BOX, TOO. HE'S PART OF THE ONES THAT'S HELPED US MAKE THIS SUCCESSFUL. THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS, SEND THOSE TOO ME. RALPH, I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOURS. YOUR MAIN THING WAS THE MAPS. >> BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE MAPS. I ACTUALLY PRINTED A COUPLE OUT AT MY OWN EXPENSE. NOT ALL OF THEM. MORE JUST THE ONES THAT KIND OF SHOW YOU LIKE I PRINTED ABOUT THREE. I'LL GIVE YOU THE ONES I PRINTED. >> GIVE US THE ONES YOU PRINTED IF YOU DON'T MIND AND THAT WILL GIVE US AN IDEA. AND DODIE AND MIKE AND BETH CAN HAVE THOSE PRINTED FOR YOU NEXT TIME. >> I DO THINK BECAUSE A LOT OF THE STUFF WE'RE LIKELY TO SEE COMING UP IS GOING TO REVOLVE AROUND A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE EXPRESSWAY. IT WOULD BE REALLY HANDY TO HAVE. I KNOW THEY'RE NOT PROBABLY COMPLETELY ACCURATE. BUT THOSE POSTERS THAT WE USED TO HAVE THAT SHOW ALL THE DOTTED LINE ROADS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE EXPRESSWAY IS GOING. BECAUSE IT GIVES PEOPLE A REFERENCE. >> I'VE GOT THREE I'LL BRING. I'LL BRING THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY ONE. WHICH SHOWS IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH. I'LL BRING THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROJECT, WHICH IS SIX OR SEVEN OF THOSE. AND I'LL BRING THE OTHER ONE THAT'S GOT THE APF ROADS, THE DOTTED LINE ROADS. >> THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE HANDY. WE TALK ABOUT COLLECTORS, MINOR COLLECTORS. I KNOW THAT'S NOT SO MUCH A MAP AS IT'S A LIST. CAN YOU GET EVERYBODY HERE THAT LIST? >> SURE. >> SO THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE CAN LOOK AND SAY, OH, COUNTY ROAD 220, THAT'S A MAJOR COLLECTOR. YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING. >> ONE OTHER THING, IN ADDITION TO THE BONDED PROGRAMS AND CONNECTORS AND COLLECTORS, THERE ARE OTHER ROADS THAT ARE IN THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM THAT ARE BEING PLANNED THAT I THINK WILL BE HELPFUL TO THE GROUP TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING DOWN THE LINE. YOU KNOW. >> OKAY. >> THAT IN ITSELF WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. >> AND THE OTHER THING THAT I MENTIONED LAST MONTH, AND IT GOES TO BILL'S CONCERN, NOT EVERY DOCUMENT THAT'S IN HERE, BUT PROBABLY THE STAFF REPORT, AND LIKE THE WRITTEN PROPOSAL. LIKE WE HAD ALL THIS WRITTEN STUFF TONIGHT TO PUT LINE NUMBERS ON THESE THINGS. AND I PERSONALLY WOULD -- I KNOW YOU CAN DO IT TWO WAYS. YOU CAN PUT THEM ON BY PAGE OR BY DOCUMENT. I'D RATHER JUST SEE IT FROM ONE TO WHATEVER THROUGH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. THAT WAY I DON'T HAVE TO TRY TO FIND THE PAGE AND THEN FIND THE LINE NUMBER. I GO RIGHT TO LINE 1,000 IF I NEED TO. [02:40:04] >> I APOLOGIZE. MIKE AND I BOTH MENTIONED THAT RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING. YOU KNOW, WE FORGOT THAT. BOTH OUR STAFF REPORTS. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER IF WE JUST HAD IT WHERE YOU JUST NUMBER THE WHOLE DOCUMENT OR THAT PARTICULAR ONE. BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU WON'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT PAGE IT IS. YOU CAN JUST FIND THE LINE NUMBER. I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I REALLY HAD. NEXT MONTH, 7 O'CLOCK. >> YES. >> OKAY. >> I THINK SO. >> SHARICE, ONE LAST THING. I'M LISTENING TO EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. THE FORMATTING THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW IS CONSISTENT WITH PAPER. >> OKAY. >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE WAY YOU STRUCTURE EACH ONE OF THESE REPORTS NOW. THE WAY YOU CAN BREAK IT UP SO THAT, OFF A PDF I DON'T THINK YOU CAN THROUGH A LINK ON A PDF PRESS THE LINK AND GO TO A WEB PAGE, FOR EXAMPLE. ON A WEBSITE, YOU CAN BREAK ALL OF YOUR PIECES DOWN WHERE YOU CAN GO TO PART OF A DOCUMENT, PRESS ON A HOTLINK, IT WILL TAKE YOU TO A SPECIFIC AREA OF THAT. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT, HAVE IT TAKE A LOOK AT RESTRUCTURING THE WAY EACH REPORT IS PRESENTED ON HERE. BECAUSE I'M VERY COMPUTER LITERATE. >> I THINK YOU CAN DO THAT ON A PDF. >> I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I DON'T DEAL WITH THAT ANYMORE. >> I'LL ASK BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. >> I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH ALL OF THIS AND BUILDING DOCUMENTS ON THE WEB AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THIS WAS VERY CONFUSING FOR ME TONIGHT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND EVEN TRYING TO FIND THE INFORMATION PRIOR, YOU KNOW TO TONIGHT. >> AND THAT'S WHAT THE FEEDBACK WE NEED. SO I APPRECIATE IT. >> IF YOU CAN DO IT IN THE PDF, WHAT I WOULD ASK WITH THAT IS A LOT OF TIMES IN THE STAFF REPORT OR EVEN SOME OF THE WRITTEN STUFF, IT WILL SAY LIGHTING AS IN ARTICLE SECTION DA-DA-DA. WELL YOU HAVE TO GO FIND THAT IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT. IF THAT WAS A LINK YOU COULD CLICK ON IT AND IT WOULD TAKE YOU RIGHT TO THE BROWSER. IF IT CAN BE DONE. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO HERE THAT YOU COULDN'T DO IN PAPER. RIGHT? >> RIGHT. THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE HELPFUL. THANK YOU ALL FOR THIS. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AND WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT MONTH * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.