[CALL TO ORDER]
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>> ROLL CALL COMMISSIONER BURKE IS ON HER WAY.
SHE WILL BE HERE SHORTLY. LET'S OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT.
ANYONE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? >> NO PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS IS THE WORD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER WORKSHOP FOR FEBRUARY 22ND. AND WE'RE STARTING NEW
[1. Planning & Zoning Topics]
BUSINESS PLANNING AND ZONING TOPICS.I HAVE THE ALLERGY THING SOMEONE GS TALKING ABOUT.
WE'VE GOT SOME GOOD STUFF FOR YOU GUYS TODAY.
JUST GOT OUR PLANNING AND ZONING STAFF HERE TO LISTEN IN. AND JUST WANT TO TALK THROUGH SOME DIFFERENT TOPICS WITH YOU AND GIVE YOU SOME POTENTIAL IDEAS FOR SOLUTIONS FROM THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN TELL US WHAT YOU THINK AND WE'LL MOVE ON FROM THERE.
WE KNOW GROWTH IS ONE OF THE BIG.
ISSUES WE ARE FACING TODAY. THIS THE MOST UP-TO-DATE SLIDE WE HAVE THROUGH THE BEEPER INDEX.
WITH POPULATION AMOUNTS AND SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE YEAR 2040 RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW WE LOOK 304,000 PEOPLE IN CLAY COUNTY. LOTS OF FOLKS COMING HERE.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY OUR PLANNING DISTRICT SLIDE THAT WILL CORRELATE WITH THE NEXT SLIDES.
THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE HAVE THAT UP HERE.
GO AHEAD AND TURN TO THE NEXT ONE THERESA.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHY DON'T WE HAVE OAK LEAF AND GRANDFIELD AS THE WAY THE PLANNING DISTRICT WERE
DONE? >> IT'S DOCTORS IN RIDGEWOOD. THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING DISTRICTS ARE ZONING AS. IT'S PART OF THERE.
IF YOU GO TO THIS SLIDE, THIS SLIDE IS JUST UNINCORPORATED CLAY COUNTY. THERE'S THE DIFFERENT WITH 284,000 VERSES COUPLE OF SLIDES AGO THAT ENTIRE COUNTY POPULATION WAS 304,000.
THIS ALSO CAME FROM THE BEEPER INDEX AND HAS BEEN REQUIRED BY LAW TO TRACK AND USE THOSE NUMBERS FOR POPULATION. HONESTLY BACK IN THE EARLY 2000S. THE BEEPER INDEX SHOWED THESE KIND OF POPULATION GROWTHS SPECIFICALLY IN THOSE CERTAIN AREAS. WHICH IS WHY WE THINK STAFF BACK IN THE EARLY 2000'S DID THEIR MASTER PLANS.
THEY CAME ABOUT BECAUSE OF WHAT THE INDEXING SHOWED
WITH OUR POPULATION GROWTH. >> IS BEBR.
>> I WILL YOU WHAT IT IS. IT'S TWO SLIDES BACK.
IT'S ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS RESEARCH.
THAT'S JUST OUR NUMBERS. THAT'S WHERE WE THINK THESE NUMBERS IS WHAT THE COMMISSION BACK IN THE EARLY 2000 USED TO CREATE THOSE MASTER PLANS.
GO AHEAD, THERESA. >> SO GETTING INTO THE GUTS OF THE TOPICS. COUPLE OF THINGS -- SEVERAL THINGS WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY.
ONE OF THEM IS ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES OR APF ROADS. IN LAKE ASBURY CURRENTLY, OUR APF IS 1.35% WHICH IS NOT GREAT.
WE WILL HAVE A STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU THAT WE INCREASE THAT APF FEE. TO HIGHER PERCENTAGE.
>> COULD YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT IS COMPUTED?
WHAT IS 1.35? >> 1.35% IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY COST. AND BACK PRIOR PROBABLY 2008 ORB SO THE LAKE ASBURYAPF WAS CLOSER TO 5%.
BECAUSE OF CONCURRENCY AND SOME DIFFERENT THINGS.
THE BOARD THEN CHANGED IT TO 1.35.
SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN TALKING --
>> OF THE VALUE 1.35% OF WHAT NUMBER -- I ASSUME THIS FEE THAT GOES TOWARD WORDS SOMEHOW.
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT HOW THAT WORK.
WHAT'S THE MECHANISM HERE? I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
>> 1.35% OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF THE DEVELOPABLE LAND. FOR INSTANCE WE'LL HAVE ON YOUR BOARD AGENDA TONIGHT AN AGREEMENT THAT PROVIDES FOR
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THE APF. AND AS PART OF THAT, SO TOTAL ACREAGE THAT IS DEVELOPABLE OF THAT PROJECT THE 1.35% OF IT IS WHAT THEY ARE OBLIGATED TO CONTRIBUTE.>> IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE ACREAGE?
>> OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE. >> OF A DOLLAR VALUE.
HOW IS THE DOLLAR VALUE COMPUTED?
>> FAIR MARKET VALUE. >> IT'S APPRAISAL.
>> DEVELOPED OR PREDEVELOPMENT?
>> WE USE FOR INSTANCE THE AGREEMENT COMING THROUGH TONIGHT. IT'S THE VALUE OF LAND AS IT WAS PURCHASED FOR THAT PROJECT.
BECAUSE THE -- IT WAS PURCHASED SO CLOSE IN TIME TO WHEN THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO CALCULATE THE APF.
WE'RE USING THE VALUE THAT THEY ACTUALLY PAID.
THE PROJECT TONIGHT IS RIGHT AT 60,000 AN ACRE.
>> IT'S A $1 VALUE NOW. IF SOMEONE BUYS PROPERTY AND DEVELOPED IT THIS YEAR THEN THE ACTUAL OF THE VALUE HAS GONE TO 5 MILLION, HOW THIS COMPUTED?
>> WE WOULD HAVE AN APPRAISAL DAL AND IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE TODAY'S APPRAISAL.
>> APPRAISED AS FARM LAND? >> APPRAISED AS THE PROJECT.
WHATEVER THEY WERE MOVING FORWARD TO DEVELOP.
>> BEFORE THEY SUBDIVIDE IT AND MAKE HOMES OUT OF IT
WHICH MAKES IT GO UP; RIGHT? >> WELL, I THINK THAT -- FOR INSTANCE THE ONE THAT WAS JUST PURCHASED, IT WAS AG-LAND BASICALLY. BUT IT WAS APPRAISED THE VALUE THEY PAID FOR ITS BECAUSE THEY WOULD DEVELOP IT. IT'S HOW THE APPRAISER DETERMINES IT HOW IT IS ZONED AND WHAT THE INTENDED
USE WOULD BE. >> WHICH IS TYPICALLY -- IS
BASICALLY THEIR FAIR VALUE. >> TYPICALLY NOT EXACTLY.
>> I'M LOOKING AT DISPARITY. WE'VE HAD TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES HERE.
IF YOU BOUGHT IT FIVE YEARS AGO AS THE FARM.
AND NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CUTTING IT UP AND PUTTING HOUSES ON IT. OBVIOUSLY, PER ACRE BASIS THE STUFF WITH THE HOUSES ON IT IS TEN TIMES WHAT THE
FARM LAND WAS WORTH. >> MOST OF THEM ARE BUYING IT TODAY. THEY DIDN'T BUY IT FIVE
YEARS AGO. >> WE'RE GETTING THE
ADVANTAGE OF THIS. >> IF IT WAS FIVE YEAR AGO DEAL THEY WOULD -- FOR INSTANCE YOU WILL HAVE ONE COMING BEFORE YOU. THE PROJECT IS ARE READY IN SPECULATION. AND WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU AT SOME POINT. THAT ONE WE HAD APPRAISALS DONE AND SIT APPRAISED AND REALLY JUST MATCHES EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT VALUE.
>> IT'S MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT THE PURCHASE OF THE
PROPERTY? >> IN OTHER WORDS IT'S A NEW
>> OKAY. I WILL TODAY THEY PAY 1.35%.
WHAT WE RECOMMEND A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS --
>> YES, SIR? >> WHEN IS 1.35% -- I HAVE A FARM THAT'S BEEN INHERITED FROM MY GRANDFATHER AND I MAY DEVELOP IT 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
WE WON'T IMPROVE YOUR PLAN. IT SITS THERE WHAT STAFF HAS BEEN LOOKING AT WE DON'T THINK 1.35% IS AMPLE PERCENTAGE. WE ALSO IN THAT TIME HAD ALSO GOTTEN RID OF CONCURRENCY.
ONE OTHER THINGS AND THERE'S A MAP ON THE NEXT SLIDE THAT WILL SHOW YOU, BUT ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE FOR YOU AT LEAST TO TAKE A LOOK AT WE HAVE TWO OF THESE APF ROADS ON OUR MAP.
THAT ARE IN THE WESTERN SIDE OF THAT LAND BOUNDARY.
AND OUR RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE OFF THE APF ROAD LIST.
THERE WERE LESS DENSE ZONING ARE.
THE RC ZONING. AND TO REMOVE THOSE APF
ROADS. >> WHICH ROADS WAS THAT?
>> AND MOVE THOSE OFF OF THAT LIST WITH ALLOW FOR US TO KEEP THAT AREA MORE RURAL.
WE WOULD SUGGEST TODAY THAT, THAT'S ONE OF THE STEPS WE LOOK AT MOVING FORWARD AS REMOVING TWO OF THOSE ROADS TOTALLY OFF THAT APF LIST AND ALSO INCREASING THAT APF FEE TO 4%. IF YOU WILL GO TO THE NEXT ONE THERESA, IF YOU CAN LOOK ON THE FAR WESTERN EDGE OF
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THIS MAP, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU SEE ON DR. BURKE IT'S THE TWO RED DASH LINE ROADS.ONE OF THEM IS CALL COUNTY ROAD 218 OCCASION EXTENSION.
IF YOU CAN SEE THOSE. RIGHT HERE.
AS STAFF WE WOULD RECOMMEND REMOVING THAT OFF THE LIST.
RESIDENTIAL C. IT'S ONE OF YOUR MORE RURAL ZONINGS. AND WE THINK THAT YOU SHOULD REMOVE THOSE APF ROADS OFF OF THAT TO KEEP THAT RURAL
DESIGNATION. >> THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
WE WOULD RECOMMEND. >> WHAT'S THE REASON FOR
THAT RECOMMENDATION? >> JUST BECAUSE IT'S A MORE RURAL DENSE AREA AND IF WE LEAVE THOSE ON THERE THAT IS GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO GROW THAT AREA MORE RAPIDLY AND WE THINK THAT AS A MORE RURAL AREA WE SHOULD NOT GROW THAT AREA AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
>> WHY IS THAT? I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE REASONING FOR STAFF RECOMMENDATION TO KEEP THAT AREA RURAL? WHAT MISSION STATEMENT ARE
WE TRYING -- >> IT'S WHAT THE EXISTING ZONING IS. IT'S RC ZONING.
WHICH IS A MUCH MORE RURAL DENSITY.
FOR THAT REASON, UNLESS YOU WANT TO INCREASE IT.
THAT'S NOT -- ZONED RC IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
>> YES, SIR. >> IF YOU DIDN'T CHANGE THE ZONING, WOULD IT GROW MORE THAN IF THE ROAD WAS THERE
I WOULDN'T. IF YOU LEAVE THAT ROAD IN THERE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF FOLKS WANTING TO CHANGE THAT ZONE SING -- ZONING IS GOING TO BE MUCH HIGHER.
THAT'S WHERE THE ATTRACTION WOULD BE FOR ANYBODY COMING TO DEVELOP THE LAND AND THERE WOULD BE PRESSURE ON THIS BOARD OR FUTURE BOARDS TO GO OUT AND DEVELOP AROUND
THOSE ROADS. >> AND HONESTLY THEY WOULD GET CREDIT FOR PUTTING -- THAT'S WHERE THEY WOULD -- GET SOME APF CREDIT ON THAT.
IF WE GET RID OF THEM IT WILL MAKE IT MORE HARD TO
DEVELOP IN THAT AREA. >> IS THERE ANYONE IN PARTICULAR THAT WILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS? OR RIGHT NOW? OR JUST IN THE FUTURE IF
THEY OBTAIN THAT LAND? >> RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANYBODY.
WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT COMING IN -- DID I DO THAT?
YOU PUSHED THE BUTTON. >> WE GOT THAT DEVELOPMENT COMING IN RIGHT HERE. RIGHT BY SHADOW ON ELEMENTARY. OTHER THAN THAT, NO.
>> THAT'S IN YOUR BROWN AREA NOT THE YELLOW.
>> SO THE WHOLE -- EVERYTHING THAT'S THE RED DOT WOULD BE ON THIS LIST THAT ALL THE WAY TO THE
EAST OF THAT? >> DEVELOPMENT OF THE TWO ROADS WE TALK ABOUT TAKING OFF RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT
BUT THE STRAIGHT RED -- >> ALL THAT WOULD STAY.
THAT'S A THOUGHT. >> YOU GUYS CAN TELL US --
>> POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS FOR APF ROADS, YOU CAN MAINTAIN IT AT 1.35% WHICH WE WOULDN'T THINK IS THE BEST THING TO DO. INCREASE BY APF INCLUDE ALL THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING. AND THEN MODIFY LIST OF APF AND ADJUST THE FEE ACCORDINGLY.
WE RECOMMEND MODIFYING THAT LIST OF APF ROADS.
AND THEN ADJUST IN THE FEE TO 4%.
WE HAVE THE DATA AND THE BACKGROUND THAT COULD SUBSTANTIATE THAT RISE TO 4%.
HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO BUILD THE ROAD AS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE LAND VALUES?
>> IF YOU SAY YOU WANT APF ROAD IN THERE, THIS 1.35% I ASSUME PAYS FOR PART OF THE GROUND
>> THAT PAYS FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY.
IF YOU WANT TO BUILD THE ROAD ON TOP OF IT AND LET THE DEVELOPER BUILD THE ROAD, WHAT KIND OF PERCENTAGE WOULD WE BE LOOKING AT FOR FULL CONSTRUCTION DEAL TO GET THE ROAD BUILT?
>> IF THEY BUILT THE ROAD? >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM OR US. IF THE FEE PAID FOR THE FULL
DEVELOPMENT OF THE ROAD? >> RIGHT AWAY IS 25%.
TYPICALLY RIGHT-OF-WAY APPROXIMATELY 25% OF THE
COST. >> 1.35 WHICH WE THINK PAYS FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, IT MADE IT 5%.
>> I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD PAY FOR THE ROAD ALL
TOGETHER. >> IT'S -- IF IT'S 75% --
>> DEPENDS ON THE PRICE OF THE PROJECT.
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[INAUDIBLE] >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PERCENTAGE PUT AT THE POINT WHERE MOST OF THE TIME YOU'LL PAY FOR THE ROAD UNLESS WE BUILD A HIGHWAY OR
A BOULEVARD OR SOMETHING. >> IT SAYS IT RIGHT THERE ON THE SLIDE. TYPICALLY RIGHT-OF-WAY 25% OF TOTAL COST ASSUMING APFE IS 5.4% TO ADDRESS THE TOTAL
COST. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
>> THAT'S TWO SLIDES. >> IF YOU RAISE APF TO 5.4% -- [INAUDIBLE]
>> WHAT ED IS SAYING IF YOU LEAVE THOSE TWO ROADS ON THERE. THE TWO APF ROADS, WE COULD GET TO 5.4. IF YOU TAKE THOSE OFF WE'RE LOOKING AT 4%. ITS KIND OF SIX ONE HALF DOZENS OF THE OTHER. WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AS STAFF ABOUT REMOVING THE TWO APF ROADS.
WE THINK IT MAKES SINCE TO REMOVE THE TWO ROADS TO DISCOURAGE GROWTH QUICKER THAN IT SHOULD BE TO THE WESTERN EDGE. IF YOU REMOVE 4% IS YOUR NUMBER. IF YOU LEAVE THEM IN 5.4%,
THAT WOULD BE YOUR NUMBER. >> WON'T THE TWO ROADS BE BUILT ONLY IF SOMEONE DECIDES THEY WANT TO REZONE OR DO SOMETHING WITH DEVELOPED PROMPT?
>> IF WE DO NOTHING AT THIS POINT.
WE LEAVE THEM ON THERE. >> THEY ARE RUNNING OUT OF PLACES TO GO. THEY WILL KEEP GOING THAT WAY. WE'RE SATURATED.
>> ONLY IF WE CHANGE THE ZONING.
>> RIGHT. >> IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE
ZONING, YOU'RE OKAY. >> OUR GROUP IS FINE WITH THAT. WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT GROUP?
>> BE CAREFUL WHO YOU VOTE FOR.
>> IT WOULD DISCOURAGE. THEY WOULDN'T GET APF CREDIT. THEY COULD GO IN THERE AND STILL BUY THE LAND AND COME AND ASK FOR ZONING TO CHANGE, BUT IT WOULD DISCOURAGE THAT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> DISCOURAGE THE REQUEST.
IS THE APF FEE UNIVERSAL THROUGHOUT THE COUNT OR JUST
FOR LAKE ASBURY. >> JUST IN THE MASTER PLANS AND THIS ONE PARTICULARLY IS JUST LIKE ASBURY.
BRANDON FIELD ALSO HAS HIS ESTABLISHED.
>> WHAT IS THERE'S? >> THERE'S IS 5%.
>> SOME COMMISSIONER IN THE 90S -- OR THE OTHER 2000S THOUGHT THEY WERE DOING LAKE ASBURY DEVELOPERS A FAVOR.
>> I THINK IT WAS PART OF THAT.
A LOT HAD TO DO WITH THE CONCURRENCY GOING ON THEN.
THAT'S WHY THEY CHANGED IT TO LESSER PERCENTAGE.
BECAUSE YOU HAD CONCURRENCY AND FAIR SHARE.
YOU HAD A COUPLE OF OTHER BUCKETS THAT DEVELOPERS HAD PUT MONEY IN. THAT'S WHY THAT WAS DECREASED. BUT WE'VE GOTTEN RID OF THOSE THINGS. APF NEEDS TO GO BACK UP.
>> BECAUSE THOSE THINGS WENT AWAY, THE APF FEE NEVER CAME
BACK. >> MY QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE THINK THAT AT SOME POINT WE'VE BEEN PAYING -- WE'VE PAID FOR A LOT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA. HAVE WE BEEN -- HAVE BASICALLY HAS THE FEE COVERED THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OR HAS THE COUNTY BEEN HAVING TO KICK IN MONEY FROM OTHER
SOURCES? >> IT COVERS PART OF IT.
WE DO THE MOBILITY FEE TO COVER -- WHERE THEY DON'T BUILD IT OR WE GIVE THEM CREDIT.
>> I WOULD -- I WOULD SUPPOSE THAT IF IT'S BEEN SO MUCH SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER FOR SO LONG, WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO PURCHASE THE RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WE NEEDED
>> AND THE AGREEMENT THAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
YOU NOTICE HOW WE NEED A LOT OF RIGHT-OF-WAY ON THEIR PROPERTY. BUT THE 1.35% IS JUST A TINY PART. BUT WE'RE GETTING -- THEY ARE WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND GIVE US ALL OF IT BUT WE RETURN IT BY MOBILITY FEE CREDITS.
>> NOW DRI HAS GONE AWAY. IS THAT PART OF THIS? DRI HAS GONE. SINCE WE DON'T HAVE DRI ANY MORE, IT'S LIKE WE DID GET STUFF NOW WE ARE NOT GETTING STUFF MORE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> IT DOES. I MEAN THE DRI IS NOT ABANDONED YET. THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING.
>> WELL, IT IS GOING -- >> THE DRI DOES GUARANTEE THAT YOU GET CERTAIN THINGS BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING MORE THAN DILIGENTLY TO ENSURE
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THAT WITH THE ABANDONMENT OF THAT PARTICULAR DRI, THAT THE COUNTY STILL GETTING WHAT WE SHOULD BE GETTING.POST DRI. >> THERE'S A LOT OF FIGHT
THAT GOES INTO IT. >> A LOT OF FIGHT.
>> THIS WOULD HELP, I THINK. >> A LOT OF FIGHT.
AND A LOT OF STAFF'S TIME. POLICIWISE IS THE APF FEE SUPPOSED TO COVER THE PURCHASE OF THE RIGHT OF THE LAND RIGHT-OF-WAY OR SUPPOSED TO COVER THE PURCHASE OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE
ROAD? >> IT WOULD BE NICE TO DO SOME OF THE CONSTRUCTION AS WELL RIGHT NOW.
IT'S REALLY JUST DOING THE RIGHT THING.
>> WHAT'S IT SUPPOSED TO DO THOUGH?
>> THAT'S WHAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
IT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP WITH SOME OF THAT CONSTRUCTION.
>> WHATEVER WE DECIDE. >> WHICH IS WHAT?
>> WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN DIRECTION FROM YOU GUYS TODAY IF YOU WANT TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION, WHAT WE WILL DO LATER THIS SPRING WE WILL BRING THIS BACK TO YOU AS AN AMENDMENT TO OUR CODE. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS DOING AWAY WITH TWO APF ROADS AND INCREASES THAT APF TO 4%. IF YOU GUYS ARE ALL IN GENERAL OKAY WITH THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL START PREPARING TO BRING BACK TO YOU IN THE SPRING.
WHY ONLY 4%? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE ROAD
GET PAID FOR. >> ED HAS ALL THE ANSWERS TO THAT. INFORMATION WHEN WE COME U - BACK. IF IT CAN BE DIFFERENT THAN 4%. WE'LL MAKE IT DIFFERENT THAN 4%. IS THAT SIMILAR TO MOBILITY FEE WHERE WE LIST OUT THE NUMBER OF PROJECT DETERMINE THE COST AND THEN COME UP WITH A FORMULA BASED ON HAT. IF WE DID NOTHING.
IF WE DIDN'T RAISE THE PERCENTAGE BUT WE DROPPED THOSE TWO ROADS THAT YOU ARE UPPING TALKING ABOUT.
THE FEE WOULD GO DOWN TO 1%. >> IT COULD.
>> BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING THAT TAKING THOSE ROADS AND MAKING IT 4%. WE WOULD TEND TO BENEFIT BECAUSE THE INCREASE IN THE VALUE OF LAND TODAY IS HIGHER THAN IT WAS SO WE WOULD EARN ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO AND FUNDS TO BUILD ROADS WHEREAS IF SOMEONE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY A WHILE AGO AND PAID LESS FOR IT THAT'S WHERE WE LOSE OUT.
IS THERE A WAY TO DETERMINE APF FEES WE'VE COLLECTED AND
WE'RE HOLDING AT THIS POINT? >> OR DO WE USE THOSE AS WE
GO ALONG? >> A LOT OF TIME WE DON'T COLLECT THE FEES BECAUSE THE --
[INAUDIBLE] >> IF THEY ARE DONATING THE ROADS TO GIVE US THE DIRT THEN WE'RE NOT REALLY AT THIS POINT COLLECTING ENOUGH ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT TO
>> WHICH IS WHY. >> THAT'S PART OF THE
>> WE NEED TO RAISE THIS TO POINT WHERE IT PAYS FOR THE
ROAD. >> IT JUST A DETERMINATION.
WHAT'S THE CONSEQUENCE OF NOT BUILDING APF ROADS DOWN THE LINE? YOU TALK 15, 20, 25 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. WILL THERE BE A PROBLEM IN THAT AREA IF WE DON'T HAVE APF ROADS AS IT GETS BUILT.
YOU KNOW INEVITABLY IT WILL GET BUILT.
>> THIS IS GREAT MAP TO LOOK AT.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE TWO.
IF YOU LOOK -- THERE'S SOME REALLY SIGNIFICANT APF ROADS THAT SOME OF THE STUFF THAT COURTNEY IS TALKING ABOUT BRINGING TO YOU THIS MEETING AND SUCH.
THESE ARE ALL THE APF ROAD AREAS NORTH OF SANDWICH.
AND THE ONE THAT'S NOT ONLY HERE IS VERBINA PARKWAY BECAUSE BASICALLY IT'S ALREADY BEING BUILT.
IT'S KIND OF OFF THE LIST. YOU'VE GOT -- THIS IS NORTH SOUTH RING WHICH WILL GO RIGHT WHERE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS. THIS ONE WILL BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. THESE ARE FOLLOWING RIGHT IN THE CREEK VIEW SUBDIVISION AND GETTING YOU DOWN TO SAND RIDGE. ALL OF THESE -- NS-3 YOU HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER TO CONSTRUCT THAT.
SAME THING WITH VERBINA PARKWAY.
>> WE'RE WORKING WITH THE SUBDIVISIONS COMING IN RIGHT HERE. WE'RE WORKING WITH ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE AS WELL TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THAT APF RIGHT-OF-WAY THROUGH THERE SO WE CAN GET THAT APF ROAD BUILT. WE'RE LOOKING PRETTY GOOD RIGHT THERE. AND WE'LL KEEP PUSHING IN THAT DIRECTION AND THEN YOU KNOW THIS IS FEED MEAL HERE.
THIS THE PART OF APF. THIS THE PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE BEEN HAVING. ANY OF THOSE DASH LINE ROADS ON THIS MAP ARE THE THINGS WE DISCUSS WITH DEVELOPERS
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WHEN THEY COME IN TO LOOK AT DEVELOPING.CERTAIN PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT FALL WITHIN THOSE.
>> REMIND THE FEE MILL. NO ONE AGREED TO PAY FOR
>> IT CONNECTS TO STANDARD. THE REST OF THE DOT
DOESN'T -- >> THERE'S A ROAD IN EXISTENCE THERE. THERE'S A ROAD ALREADY IN EXISTENCE THERE. ISN'T THAT A DIRT ROAD?
PETER'S CREEK. >> WHO WILL PAY FOR THAT?
>> THAT ACTUAL ROAD? IT'S DIRT RIGHT NOW.
>> THAT ROAD ALSO LEADS INTO THE NOW SARATOGA SPRINGS DRI. MOVING FORWARD THERE WILL BE DISCUSSIONS HOW WE GET THAT ROAD AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF. THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING AS WELL. MOST LIKELY THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT. OR WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET.
>> SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT. THEIR POSITION THEY WOULD ONLY PAY PART THAT MAY NEED. BUT I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE HAVE -- THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR APF FEES AND WHY WE HAVE MOBILITY FEES. IF WE GET PART OF IT FROM THEM AND THEY PAY FOR WHAT THEY NEED, WE CAN THEN PROBABLY FUND THE REST. IF WE CAN'T GET SOMEONE ELSE
TO PONY UP -- >> THAT'S EXAMPLE OF THE ONE
WE COULD USE AS WE INCREASE. >> OKAY.
THERESA? >> IF WE CHANGE THE APF, THERE'S NO NEGOTIATION THEY GOT TO PAY FOR THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD. >> THEY GOT TO GET US TO
>> IT'S MATH PROBLEMS. >> RULE OF THUMB WHAT IS THE ROA COST NOW. IT USED TO BE A MILLION A MILE. WHAT DO WE TALK ABOUT NOW?
>> I'VE HEARD THAT SAME NUMBER.
>> IT'S HIGHER NOW. >> 3 MILLION TO DO 3 QUARTERS. WE'RE TALKING 4 BILLION
BUCKS A MILE. >> THAT'S FOUR LANES.
>> THAT'S RIDICULOUS. >> THE COST OF THE LAND IS PEANUTS COMPARED TO HAVE THING ROAD BUILT.
>> THAT IN TODAY'S TIME. >> WE GOT 250 MILES OF DIRT ROADS TODAY. DO WE WANT -- DO WE EVER WANT TO CONTINUE THIS OR IS THERE ANY LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL. THERE ISN'T UNLESS WE CHANGE
THIS BIG TIME. >> WELL, THE DIRT ROADS AREN'T IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN.
THEY WOULDN'T BE COVERED BY THE CITY.
>> THEY ARE NOT APF ROADS. [INAUDIBLE]
>> IN TODAY'S DOLLARS? >> YES.
>> BY THE END OF THE MONTH IT WOULD BE HIGHER.
>> 3 MILLION. >> LET'S ROUND IT OFF 3
MILLION IN A MILE. >> I HAVE OUR MARCHING ORDERS ON APF. I FEEL COMFORTABLE.
I'VE GOT WE WILL REMOVE APF ROADS TO THE WEST AND INCREASE TO 4% OR WHATEVER NUMBER WE CAN GET TO IF WE CAN GET OUT OF THE BOARD, WE WILL BRING THAT NUMBER BACK.
>> ONE OTHER QUESTION. IF WE REMOVE THE APF ROADS IN THAT AREA AND DEVELOPER WANTS TO THEN HE OR SHE COULD PUT THE ROAD ANYWHERE THEY FEEL LIKE IT?
>> YES, SIR. IS THAT A BEST POLICY FOR THE COUNTY. DEVELOPER I WANT TO PUT THE
ROAD WHERE IT WANT. >> OR BEST FOR US TO
DICTATE? >> WITH ENGINEERING AND ALL THAT. THIS IS BEST PLACE FOR THE ROADS. I AM CERTAIN SOMEONE DIDN'T WRITE NOTE SOME DASH RED LINES.
>> WHAT THEY DIDS THESE ESPECIALLY THIS ONE WAS GET IT TO A CONNECTION POINT TO CONNECT TO THUNDER ROAD RIGHT HERE. THIS ONE I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE SCIENCE THAT GOT YOU AS TO WHERE THIS SHOULD
CONNECT. >> WE'RE RELYING ON ENGINEERING FIVE YEARS AGO TO ENGINEERING THE FUTURE.
APPROXIMATELY THE SAME SOLUTION.
NEXT TOPIC IS MOBILITY FEES. THIS ONE INTERESTING AS WELL. WE'RE LOOKING AT BRINGING THAT BACK SOMETIME LATER THIS SPRING.
THIS ONE ACF, WE COULD HAVE TO DO SOME TEXT CODE CHANGES AND THAT KIND OF THING. THIS IS END OF FEBRUARY.
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>> IT'S PROBABLY A 60-DAY PROCESS THERE, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY IN MAY WE SHOULD SEE THAT BACK.
>> NEXT IS YOUR ABILITY FEE SUBSIDIES.
THIS ONE IS PRETTY INTERESTING.
YOU GUY ALL KNOW PRETTY RECENTLY WE DID THE MOBILITY FEE STUDY AND COME UP WITH THE DOLLAR VALUE FOR THE MOBILITY FEES. WHAT WE ALSO DID WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE WOULD STIFLE GROWTH FOR JOBS AND THAT KIND OF THING. WE PUT IN SOME SUBSIDIES.
WE GOT A COUPLE OF ISSUES WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU GUYS TO TAKE A LOOK AT TODAY. I WILL SHOW YOU IN JUST A MINUTE SOME OF THE MAPS OR SOME OF THE CHARTS THAT SHOW SUBSIDIES FOR COMMERCIAL AREAS.
WE ESSENTIALLY WOULD LIKE TO DO AWAY WITH ANY OF THE COMMERCIAL AREAS. AND I WILL SHOW YOU WHAT WOULD BE OUR RECOMMENDATION TO LEAVE ON THERE.
WE ALSO HAVE A CAP, OUR EXCUSE ME.
WE HAVE ABOUT 450,000 DOLLARS ANNUALLY THAT WE HAVE EARMARKED IN THE GENERAL FUND TO BE PART OF THAT SUBSIDY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T HAVE CAP FOR THAT. WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AS OF RIGHT NOW, OUR LIABILITY IS PRETTY HIGH.
IF SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A HUGE INDUSTRY AND ASKED FOR THE SUBSIDY, HECK IT COULD BE MORE THAN 150,000 IF IT WAS A BIG ENOUGH SPACE. A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND IS WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND CAPPING THE SUBSIDY AT 415,000 ANNUALLY.
IF WE RUN O OUT OF MONEY, AND SOMEONE WANTS TO SUBSIDY, THEY NEED TO THEN BE IN LINE FIRST THE NEXT YEAR. IF THEY WANT YOU TO USE PART OF THAT SUBSIDY. THAT WOULD DEFINITELY DECREASE OUR LIABILITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO DO. AND THEN THE OTHER THINGS IS WE JUST LIKE TO REMOVE THOSE COMMERCIAL SUBSIDIES.
THERESA, IF WILL YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE I WILL SHOW YOU AN EXAMPLE. THIS IS OAK LEAF AREA.
YOU WILL SEE CURRENTLY AND AGAIN, WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT THESE MOBILITY FEES STIFLING SOME GROWTH.
BUT IT'S STUFF THAT HONESTLY, WE DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SUBSIDIZE LONGER. YOU GOT CAR WASHES AND RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER. DISCOUNT CLUBS AND DRUGSTORES. ALL THE THINGS ON THE GREEN COLUMN THAT WE ARE SUBSIDIZING.
WE WERE WHEN YOU REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL SUBSIDIES, IT WOULD TAKE IT TO THAT LIST ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE FOR THE OAK LEAF AREA. YOU TALK ABOUT GENERAL OFFICE BUILDING. RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT AND THE PLACE OF WORSHIP IS ALL YOU WOULD LEAVE ON FOR THAT PARTICULAR PLANNING AREA. IF YOU WILL TURN TO THE NEXT ONE -- WE CAN COME BACK TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES.
THERE'S THREE. AND NONE OF THEM WOULD BE MAINTAINED IF WE GOT RID OF THE SUBSIDY.
GO TO THE NEXT ONE THERESA. THEN YOU'VE GOT LAKE ASBURY.
AND WE WOULD SUGGEST AGAIN - DOING AWAY WITH ALL THOSE COMMERCIAL USES. AND KEEP ALL OF THOSE NONCOMMERCIAL USES ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE.
YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE SAME PLUS A HOSPITAL AND NURSING HOME. AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
MIDDLE PART IN WEST CLAY YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL SUBSIDIES.
THE ONLY THING WE MAINTAIN ON THAT LIST IS THE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT CENTER. YOU CAN ASK ANY SPECIFIC QUESTION YOU WOULD LIKE TO ON THAT.
BUT ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO WE REMOVE THE COMMERCIAL SUBSIDIES OFF THERE.
>> YES, SIR? >> WE JUST PURCHASED 400, 500 AND 600. THERE WERE BUILDING THAT WERE VACANT. SOME OF THE SPACE WAS VACANT FOR A DECADE. WHY WOULD WE CONTINUE OFFICE BUILDING SUBSIDY. WHY THE RECOMMENDATION TO LEAVE THOSE IN THERE? THERE'S A LOT OF GENERAL
OFFICE SPACE AVAILABLE. >>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
MOSTLY JUST FOR JOBS. THOSE ARE THE KIND OF JOBS WE WANT TO GET IN HERE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD
CHOOSE TO LEAVE THAT. >> THERE'S A LOT OF VACANT GENERAL OFFICE BUILDING IN THE COUNTY.
AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW 400, 500.
400, 500 AND 600? >> SOME WEREN'T BUILT OUT
FROM BRAND NEW. >> I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.
>> JUST FOR JOBS IN GENERAL. THAT'S THE GENERAL OFFICE WHERE WE CAN REALLY SEE SOME OF THOSE UPTICKS IN SOME OF THOSE JOBS. THAT'S ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD TO LEAVE ON THERE ALSO WITH RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE ENTICE MORE OF INTO OUR COUNTY.
>> WE USE IT FOR MARKETING AND INCENTIVES TO ATTRACT
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>> BECAUSE AT 2.3% UNEMPLOYMENT OR WHATEVER WE ARE, THERE'S NO ONE HERE LOOKING FOR THOSE JOBS.
>> YEAH. >> BUT THEY MAY UPGRADE
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT DOING IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO IS ADD A LINE A SUBSKY FOR AN UPSCALE TYPE RESTAURANT AND NONFAST FOOD RESTAURANT ON HERE.
I FORGET ALL ABOUT THAT. I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT.
THAT'S ONE WE COULD BRING BACK TO YOU WHEN WE BRING
BACK THESE CHANGES. >> ARE THERE -- ONE AT THE
TIME HERE. >> IS THERE -- THERE'S MORE THAN THESE AS FAR AS CATEGORIES; AREN'T THERE?
>> I COULD COME THROUGH WITH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT AREN'T LISTED ON YOUR SHEET.
>> HOTELS? >> HOTELS, RESTAURANTS, GYMS MOVIE THEATERS. ENTERTAINMENT VENUES.
I THOUGHT WE HAD MANY MORE. THIS IS JUST LIKE A SAMPLE.
>> THESE ARE THE ONCE WITH SUBSIDIES ATTACHED TO THEM.
THERE'S A DIFFERENT LIST. >> THOSE OTHERS WOULDN'T BE SUBZIZED WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
>> CORRECT. [INAUDIBLE] I AGREE. I THINK WE SHOULD USE IT AS THE WAY TO INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE COUNTY. WE PUT AWAY 450,000.
WHAT HAVE WE SPENT? >> NOT A LOT.
>> NOT A LOT. >> WE'LL SAY WE DID HAVE -- WHEN BAPTIST CAME IN, THEIR SUBSIDY WOULD HAVE BEEN AT 450,000 RATE. HOWEVER, THEY HAVE A LOT OF CREDITS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
THEY ACTUALLY USE CREDITS. OTHERWISE THE SUBSIDY WOULD HAVE BEEN I THINK OVER 2 MILLION BUCKS.
IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A BITER. >> SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WE'RE NOT REALLY APPROACHING THE CAP THAT YOU WOULD PUT ON 450,000. OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS
THAT WE'VE HAD THIS -- >> WE HAVEN'T YET.
>> OR DOES MONEY GO BACK INTO BASICALLY RESERVES OR
WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? >> AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT MONEY IS JUST MAINTAINED ITSELF IN THE GENERAL FUND
WITH AN EARMARK AS NEEDED. >> JUST SUPPLEMENTED TO GET
IT BACK TO 450 IF NEEDED? >> SO THE THING IS.
WHAT WE AS STAFF DON'T FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO DO.
WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY WASTE OUR 450,000 IN SUBSIDY FOR THINGS LIKE A CAR WASH AND FURNITURE STORE.
>> IF WE DON'T USE IT. WE WANT TO SAVE IT FOR A RAINY DAY FOR THE RIGHT PURPOSES.
>> AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT IS THAT THE FOR EXAMPLE IN THE NURGSRY GARDEN CENTER. IS THAT A TOTAL OVER BASED ON COULD BE MORE THAN THAT BASED ON THE SIZE AND SCOPE
OF THE PROJECT? >> THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
>> WE HAVE OTHER AT THE 10,000-FOOT LEVEL LOOKING INCENTIVE TO BRING BUSINESSES IN.
WE HAVE OTHER LEVERAGE TO PULL BESIDES THIS; RIGHT?
>> WE HAVE OUR INCENTIVE POLICY WHICH DEALS WITH NUMBER OF JOBS, HOW MUCH THEY ARE BEING PAID.
IF THEY ARE COMING INTO CLAY COUNTY MOVING INTO CLAY COUNTY. THERE'S FIVE OR SIX DIFFERENT INCENTIVES IN THAT POLICY.
>> IN YOUR OPINION, IS THAT ENOUGH TO OFFSET LOSING THIS ONE IF WE REALLY WANT TO GET THE BUSINESS IN HERE?
>> YOU KNOW IT'S -- OBVIOUSLY IF AN AMAZON CENTER WANTS TO LOCATE HERE OR MUST COMES IN WITH SPACE PROJECT, WE DON'T WANT -- WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SAY WE CAN'T GIVE YOU ANYTHING.
WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. >> THAT'S REALLY ALL WE HAVE. WE HAVE THOSE INCENTIVES WHICH ARE TAX INCENTIVES. IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD NEED TO DISCUSS. ALL OF THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY
TAX. >> BUT THE BOARD CAN COME UP WITH AN SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE PACKAGE IF WE FELT IT WAS IN THE COUNTY'S BEST INTEREST.
>> STREAMLINING THIS THING SO WE ONLY HAVE.
MAKES IT MUCH CLEANER. LIKE I SAID RESTAURANTS WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO ATTRACT THOSE IN HERE.
OTHER THAN THAT. ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE ONES
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THAT ARE LIKE REALLY SIGNIFICANT.JUST LOOKING AT THE BANDONFIELD ONE.
THERE WAS A HUGE INCENTIVE TO EITHER BRING IN A PHARMACY DRUGSTORE OR NURSERY.
AND DISCOUNT CLUB AND ELECTRONIC'S SUPERSTORE.
IT WAS TARGETING CERTAIN INDUSTRIES THAT I JUST DON'T THINK -- YOU CAN FIND OTHER PLACES IN CLAY COUNTY TO PURCHASE THOSE ITEMS. NOT TO HAVE THEM RIGHT BESIDE OUR DEVELOPMENTS. AND THEN WHEN I THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW THE GREEN CODE SPRINGS AREA AND THE LAKE ASBURY, WE ALREADY KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT WHO WANTS TO PUT VILLAGE CENTER IN COMMERCIAL IN LAKE ASBURY.
WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHERE IT IS GOING IN FUTURE.
I THINK ABOUT GREENCOAST SPRINGS AND GOVERNOR PARK AREA AND THAT SOUTH. I DON'T KNOW WE WANT TO INCEN INCENTIVIZE RETAIL SHOPPING.
LIT COME ANY WAY. WE NEED THE MONEY FOR THE ROADS TO SUPPORT IT. THAT'S WHERE IN MY OPINION THAT'S WHERE SOME MISTAKES IN JUDGMENT MAY HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PAST. NO ACCUSATIONS TO ANYONE IN PARTICULAR. JUST THAT WE WEREN'T READY AND THEN WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD THE ROADS TO
ALEVIATE THE TRAFFIC. >> THAT'S WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HECHE DO. ITS 5,000 MOBILITY FEE SUBSIDY. THEY ARE COMING ANY WAY.
>> WHEN IT WAS FIRST EXPLAINED WHEN I WATCHED THOSE MEETING. BUT, IT WAS ABOUT NOT STIFLING LOCAL BUSINESS. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DOCTOR'S OFFICE. THAT WILL PROVIDE FAMILY PRACTICE TO OUR LOW-INCOME AREAS.
>> PART TO ISSUE, THOUGH AT LEAST HERE IF YOU LOOK WHAT'S DEVELOPED THERE. JACKSONVILLE HAS ALL THE COMMERCIAL. WE HAVE NO COMMERCIAL.
AND ALL OF THE ROOFTOPS. >> I KNOW THEY WANT TO DUVALT. THE STATEMENT YOU ARE MAKING HAS FINANCIAL RAMIFICATIONS. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE. THEY ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE.
THEY COULD HAVE BOUGHT PROPERTY IN CLAY COUNTY.
DID THEY DO BECAUSE OF THE MOBILITY FEES? J IT'S ALL PART OF THE PROCESS.
>> I DON'T KNOW. I FEEL LIKE YOU'RE MAKING A STATEMENT THAT HAS FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS THAT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TRUE. AND THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING.
COSTCO MAY HAVE MADE A DECISION TO LOCATE THERE
FOR -- >> I WAS NOT IN THE BOARD MEETING WHEN THAT WAS DECIDED.
>> I WAS NOT THERE. THE HOW DID THIS YOU GOT THE COMMERCIAL AND WE GOT THE ROOFTOPS.
AT SOME POINT WE WERE TRYING TO GET ROOFTOPS WE BUILT OUT THE COMMUNITY UP THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT INCENTIVE WE HAD AND HOW THAT WORKED. MAY BE SOMETHING OUR AUDITOR CAN LOOK AT AND SEE HOW COMPETITIVE WE ARE AGAINST JACKSONVILLE. WITH THIS KIND OF SET UP BEFORE WE ACTUALLY PROVE IT. I SUSPECT WE JUST WANT TO TAKE ALL THESE OFF. SOMETHING DROVE COSTCO TO
LOCATE WHERE THEY ARE AT. >> WHAT ED IS SAYING TO THE EXTENT THEY WERE PART OF THE ARGILE, DRI PART OF THAT DRI CHOSE TO PUT THEM IN JACKSONVILLE AS OPPOSED TO
CHAI -- CLAY COUNTY. >> PART OF THAT WAS PROBABLY
INFRASTRUCTURE. >> AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PREVIOUS COMMISSIONERS GOING BACK A NUMBER OF YEARS AND LOTS OF CONVERSATION ABOUT THE -- IN THE 90S AND IN THE EARLY 2000S, CLAY COUNTY WANTED TO BE MORE OF A BEDROOM COMMUNITY OF JACKSONVILLE TO
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HAVE THE RESIDENTIAL AND HAVE PEOPLE COMMUTE.THOSE DECISIONS TO HAVE PEOPLE COMMUTE FOR JOBS WERE INTENTIONAL. WE MAY NOT MAKE THEM TODAY.
BUT THEY INTENTIONALLY MADE THEM THEN.
>> RIGHT. >> TO BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY VERSES BEING THE CENTER OF THE INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL AREAS. I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD MAKE THOSE DECISIONS TODAY. WE DON'T GET TO MAKE THEM.
THE OTHER ASPECT. WE TALK ABOUT ROOFTOPS.
RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL ONLY FOLLOWS.
>> OTHERWISE LAKE ASBURY WOULD HAVE PUBLIX TEN YEARS AGO. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A ATTORNEY AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THERE TO SUPPORT THE BUSINESS.
WHETHER IT WAS INCENTIVES. WE DON'T HAVE A HANDLE ON THAT. I WAS ONE THAT STOOD UP FOR SUBSIDIES FOR BUSINESSES BECAUSE WE HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT GROUP THAT'S OUT THERE TRYING TO FIND BUSINESSES AND BRING THEM IN.
OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T BEEN ALL THAT SUCCESSFUL.
WE'RE NOT USING UP THE 450,000 THAT IS SITTING THERE AND THAT'S WHY IF WE'RE GOING TO SHUTDOWN THE SUBSIDIES TO BARE MINIMUM, THEN I WOULD EVEN TAKE OUT SOME OF THAT 450,000 AND PUT THAT MORE INTO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TRY TO DRAG SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES IN HERE.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB EVEN ON THE COMMERCIAL BASIS. AND IF WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND SPEND 225 AND COST THE COUNTY 2 MILLION. THAT'S 225 MILLION PROJECT THAT WILL GIVE US 700 HIGH-PAYING JOBS.
WE'RE GOING TO FIND THE MONEY FOR IT.
>> I STRONGLY SUGGESTED WE KEEP THE SUBSIDIES, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE COMMERCIAL APPLICATION.
SOME OF THE ONES THAT WE KEPT LOOKING BACK AT IT.
WE DON'T NEED TO ENCOURAGE SOME OF THOSE FOLKS.
SOME OTHERS WE DO. AND IN TERMS OF THE OTHER INCENTIVES THAT WE HAVE FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT ALL AD VALOREM TAXES. WE DON'T HAVE TO PUT ANYTHING OUT OF THE POCKET. THEY ARE PAYING FOR THEIR OWN REBATE. THEIR OWN INCENTIVE.
FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK A GOOD HARD LOOK. TAKE A LOOK AT THE CATEGORIES AREN'T ON THE LIST RESTAURANTS OR WHATEVER WHERE OTHER ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES HAS COMMISSIONER TALK ABOUT THAT WE WANT TO ENCONTRIBUTE ADVISE TO COME IN AND LOOK AT THOSE TO ADD THOSE.
>> TARGET THE JOBS THAT WE WANT TO HAVE.
HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
>> I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU. IF ANOTHER -- AND OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN'T TAKE OFFICE IN THE PLACES THEY ARE FOR HOSPITALS AND NURSING HOMES AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE INNING INSENTIVE.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTED A CAR WASH.
>> RETAIL SHOWING CENTER IS KIND OF VAGUE.
BUT DISCOUNT CLUB AND -- WHAT IS THAT LIKE A
SAM'S CLUB? >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED ANY
MORE SHOPPING CENTERS. >> I REMEMBER BACK THEN.
I WAS HERE AT THE MEETING. I WAS THINKING ABOUT IN OUR AREA NO WALGREENS OR CVS. BACK THEN I WAS THINKING LIKE TO COMMISSIONER'S POINT BACK THEN LIKE, OH, WE NEED THAT CONVENIENCE OUT THERE. NOW JUST LIKE YOU SAID THEY WILL COME NOW. THAT'S BEFORE ALL THE TREES WERE COMING DOWN. NOW IT'S THERE.
I TOTALLY AGREE. >> WE'RE NOT SAYING THEY CAN'T COME. I GO BACK TO IN LAKE ASBURY, AND THIS WAY BEFORE EVEN THE LAST COMMISSION, PROBABLY 12, 16, 20 YEARS AGO, THEY PROBABLY MAKE A DIFFERENT DECISION BASED ON LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLANS TO HAVE THE ROAD BE THERE. MAYBE THEY WOULD.
I DON'T KNOW. >>> ALL THE ITEMS THAT YOU SEE THE CATEGORIES THAT ARE LISTED ARE ALL HIGH TRAFFIC RETAIL OPERATIONS. OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL HAVE MORE IMPACT ON THE ROADS. I'M ALL FOR TRIMMING.
I DO THINK WHETHER IT'S RESTAURANTS OR PEOPLE WE SHOULD PROBABLY TAKE A LOOK AND SEE THE OTHER CATEGORIES MAKE A DETERMINATION AS WHETHER JACKSONVILLE INCENTIVIZING AND HOW THEY DO THAT.
HOW THEY END UP WITH SOME OF THOSE ALONG THE BORDERS SO WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER WE PUT OURSELF AT DISADVANTAGE IN THOSE AREA.
MAYBE IN THOSE AREA WE HAVE DIFFERENT INCENTIVE PLAN
THAN SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> CONSULTING WITH EDC, WHAT KIND OF JOB DOES WE WANT IN CLAY COUNTY? WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT RESTAURANTS.
IT'S NOT A HIGH-PAYING JOB. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HOTEL.
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NOT A REAL HIGH-PAYING JOB. BUT NONETHELESS THEY BRING IN VISITORS WHICH SPEND MONEY SO EDC THE BESTRESOURCE THERE. >> THEN YOU ALSO LOOK AT, IF YOU I THINK ABOUT THE SPACE FOR IT.
THERE'S A SPACE YOU THINK ABOUT THE COMPANIES THAT MIGHT COME IN THERE. ACTUALLY THEY WILL NEED ROOM NIGHTS IN THE HOTEL. MAYBE HOTELS BELONG IN
CERTAIN PLACES -- >> THAT'S WHY I SAID EDC WOULD -- THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT DRIVES ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. BETTER THAN WE DO.
>> WE MAY DECIDE THAT WE DON'T NEED HOTELS, MORE HOTELS IN ONE PLACE AND NEED MORE IN ANOTHER.
WE COULD CHANGE THE FORMAT. A LOT OF -- LIKE THE RESTAURANT IDEA IS NOT TO CREATE JOBS.
IT'S THE PROVIDE A SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR CONSTITUENTS. THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING I CAN ASK FOR WHEN I GO IN HOA MEETINGS.
BOY, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A RESTAURANT AROUND HERE.
>> FOR NEXT STEPS -- >> I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY INVOLVE TOURISM INVOLVED IN THAT AS WELL.
TLK ABOUT THE HOTELS AND OTHER PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT BE ATTRACTED IN THAT FASHION.
>> CAN I ADD ONE THING. I HAD SOMEONE CALL ME THIS WEEKEND. THE CODE FOR LAKE ASBURY DOESN'T ALLOW DRIVE THROUGHS.
AND I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING REALLY OUT THERE.
YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS WE HAVE A COUPLE OF RESTAURANTS.
HES TALKING LIKE A DUNKIN' DONUTS OR SOMETHING.
HE CAN'T HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT WOULD EVEN EFFECT SOMEONE SMALL WHO WANTED TO DO LIKE A HOMETOWN COFFEE SHOP OR IT'S NOT -- LOCATED IN THE CITY OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS.
WE HAVE THE BAKERY AND SHE'S LOOKING TO RELOCATE.
AND SPECIFICALLY WANTS TO BE ABLE TO PUT A DRIVE-THRU IN, IN. BECAUSE SHE MISS -- SHE'S LOSING BUSINESS TO DUNKIN' DONUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE DRIVE THROUGH. FOR COMMUTERS AND PEOPLE GOING TO WORK, IT'S YOU KNOW THEY WON'T GET OUT OF THE CAR. EVEN IF THEY SIT CIN THE DRIVE THROUGH THEY CAN DO E-MAIL.
>> NOT THAT WE WANT TO INCENTIVIZE THINGS WHEN
YOU'RE DRIVING. >> THE CONSENSUS.
AS FAR AS THE 450,000, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO NECESSARILY PUT A CAP ON IT. IF WE ELIMINATE MOST OF THE CATEGORIES, AND I LIKE THE COMMISSIONER'S CONCEPT HERE IF WE REROUTE THAT MONEY INTO SOME KIND OF INCENTIVE FUND. MAYBE IN ANOTHER AREA.
THAT MAKES SENSE. >> I THINK THAT PRETTY MUCH COVERS. WHEN -- LET ME ASK A QUESTION. JUST TO CHALLENGE THAT THOUGHT, THOUGH, I MEAN, BAPTIST HAD THE CREDITS.
IF WE HAD, HAD TO DO 2 MILLION IN CREDITS, I AGREE WITH YOU COMMISSIONER THAT WE WANT INCENTIVIZE.
BAPTIST IS BRINGING LOTS OF HIGH WAGE, HIGH SKILLED JOBS TO TEOUR AREA. IF YOU THINK ABOUT.
I THINK WHAT STAFFS TRYING TO MAYBE GET TO.
THAT COULD FEEL VERY BUDGET HILL FOR COUNTY BUDGET AND COMMISSIONER TO FIND 1 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE BUDGET.
I'M NOT SURE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO CONSIDER SOME SORT OF A CAP. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE FACED WITH WHAT -- VERY CLEARLY, THAT WOULD BE WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR SERVICES FOR THE COUNTY IF
WE ARE FACED WITH THAT. >> WE CAN'T DO SOMETHING ONCE THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG.
WHEN PUSH GOES TO SHOVE WE WON'T GO BROKE TO GET A BUSINESS IN HERE. WE TELL THEM THAT'S ALL WE
GOT. >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CAP IN YOUR ORDINANCE.
>> THE OTHER QUESTION IF WE HAVE A CAP IN, WE SEE AN OPPORTUNITY PRESENTS ITSELF WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ENHANCE THE MONIES BY CAPPING SOMETHING ELSE AT THE TIME TO PEOPLE THAT ATTRACT -- IF THAT WAS THE NEEDED INCENTIVE TO MOVE SOMEONE THAT WAS BENEFICIAL TO THE COMMUNITY AT ALL LEVELS. I'VE TALKING ABOUT NOT NECESSARILY GIVING THEM ANY MONEY.
BUT BRINGING THROUGH ANOTHER PLACE AND TAKING OFF SO IT'S
NOT AUTOMATICALLY. >> WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM IF WE DON'T HAVE A CAP. IF WE DON'T HAVE A CATEGORY FOR THE HOSPITAL. YOU ELIMINATE ALL THE
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SUBSIDIES. THERE'S NO NEED FOR A CAP.THIS WAY WE SEGREGATE THE POOL OF MONEY.
WE DON'T HAVE IT. WE WILL GIVE YOU WHAT WE CAN. THAT'S IT.
YOUR SUGGESTION TAKE ALL THE SUBTHEN I GOES TO.
FOR ECONOMIC INCENTIVE THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY LINKED TO THIS, THAT WE HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM.
>> SO THEY COME UP AND ASK. >> THEY COME UP AND ASK US.
WE WILL BEND OVER BACKWARD TO MAKE SURE THE RIGHT ONES GET IN THE DOOR. OR IF CITY COMMISSION WILL.
AND IT'S NOT AUTOMATIC. >> I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO GO
BUT FOR BUDGETARY PURPOSES AND THIS SATISFY ALL THE ACCOUNTANTS WE HAVE TO HAVE A NUMBER AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THE CAP AT THIS POINT IS SORT OF MOOT POINT BECAUSE WE NEVER APPROACHED IT.
>> BUT YOU COULD. THEN WHAT DO YOU DO?
>> LIKE I SAID, IF STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT WE KEEP THE CAP AND KNOCK OUT THE SUBSIDIES, THEN LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE POTENTIALLY.
CAR WASH DEPENDING HOW LARGE IT IS WILL NOT PAY $12,000 FOR MOBILITY FEE. IT'S MORE THAN THAT.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IT'S SUBSIDIES WILL BE
MORE THAN THAT AS WELL. >>> I MEAN WHEN YOU GUYS DID THE MOBILITY POLICY OR ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER SIT CALLED. AND OBVIOUSLY I'M THINKING NO ONE INVENTED THIS THAT WE TOOK OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAD MOBILITY FEES AND KIND OF COMBINED THEM AND MADE SOMETHING THAT WORKED FOR US OR THIS WAS TOTALLY --
>> IT'S ALL PART OF THE STUDY.
DID THE STUDY RECOMMEND SUBSIDIES?
COMMISSIONERS. >> THE COMMISSIONERS
RECOMMENDED THE SUBSIDIES. >> WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS FROM THE PREVIOUS IMPACT FEES, TO NEW ONES IT WENT WAY UP. AND SO WHAT -- THIS BASICALLY SUBSIDY IS JUST TO KEEP THEM AT THE PREVIOUS COST. IT'S NOT SUBSIDIZING THE ENTIRE COST JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE IMPACT FEE WAS AND TRYING TO SOFTEN IT.
>> NEW MOBILITY FEE. >> I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY SAYING. TELL ME IF THIS IS WHAT -- IF I'M HEARING WHAT YOU ACTUALLY WERE TRYING TO SAY. BUT SOUNDS LIKE --
>> I DIDN'T SAY IT SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT.
>> I WASN'T -- IT'S TOO EARLY.
>> IT WASN'T NEEDED. YOU TRY TO SOFTEN THE BLOW BUT YOU SAY THE SOFTENING REALLY WASN'T NEEDED.
>> AS IT TURNS OUT, NO. WE DIDN'T NEED IT.
THE REASON THAT WE HAVE A PILE OF MONEY IS BECAUSE IF SOMEONE CAME IN AND LET'S SAY THE CAR WASH CAME IN.
BECAUSE THEY SEEM LIKE THEY POP UP ON EVERY CORNER.
THEY GOT SUBSIDY OF 3,628. ESSENTIALLY, WE HAVE TO PAY THAT 3,000 DOLLARS INTO THE MOBILITY FEE POT.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WHAT WE ARE USING $450,000 FOR.
WE WOULD MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE FOR THEM.
IN THIS CASE IT'S NOT PAYING FOR THE ENTIRE AMOUNT.
THE CAR WASH INSTEAD OF PAYING $12,000 PAYING $8,000 IN CHANGE. THEY ARE STILL PAYING SOMETHING. NOW IS JUST A QUESTION OF AND MAYBE WE SEE THAT THE INCENTIVE WASN'T REALLY NEEDED. I'M COMFORTABLE IN TAKING THAT OFF. ACCEPT THE KEY AREAS THAT WE WANT TO KEEP AND MOVE ON FROM THERE.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED AT THIS POINT.
IT'S LIKE INSURANCE IF SOMEONE COMES IN WITH HUGE DEAL. IF THEY WILL TAKE UP THE $450,000 AND WE NEED MORE, THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION WHETHER THAT'S A BENEFICIAL BUSINESS THAT DOES WHAT WE WANT IT TO DO FOR THE COUNTY.
JOBS, AD VALOREM TAXES, ET CETERA THEN WE MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT BRINGING MONEY FROM ANOTHER POT TO
MAKE THAT DEAL HAPPEN. >> I LIKE THAT.
>> I THINK WE'VE GOT OUR MARCHING ORDERS FOR WHAT TO DO WITH THAT ONE. PROBABLY MARCH OR APRIL WE CAN BRING THIS BACK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT QUICKER.
>> DOES THAT MEAN I CAN GET MY CAR WASH GOING?
>> WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH PLANNING COMMISSION AND
SUCH. >> I WON'T BE MARCH BECAUSE THIS REQUIRES ORDINANCE CHANGE.
YOU'RE ALL RIGHT ALMOST AT MARCH.
>> WHAT'S THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING IN APRIL?
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>> NEXT ITEM IF YOU WILL GO AHEAD.
THIS IS THE TREE PROTECTION REQUIREMENTS.
THIS THE ONE OF THOSE OTHER AREAS -- I WON'T GO THROUGH EACH OF THE SLIDE. THIS STUFF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT INDIVIDUALLY.
WHICH IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO REQUIRE.
WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD TREE PROTECTION CODE.
BUT WE'VE DEFINITELY -- WE DEFINITELY KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS WE NEED TO FIX. ONE OF THE SLIDES WILL SHOW YOU WHAT WE ARE WORKING ON ALREADY.
WE DO A, FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CLEAR ANY TREES UNDER A PLAN HAS COME THROUGH OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THEY GET THAT
APPROVAL. >> WHAT HAPPENED IF THEY DO?
>> THERE'S A VERY MINUSCULE FINE AT THIS POINT IN TIME WHICH IS PART OF WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO FIX.
WE DO REQUIRE FROM WHEN FOLKS PUT IN TREES AND LANDSCAPING THEY DO DIVERSE TYPES OF TREES.
THEY DO DIVERSE SIZES OF TREES.
THEY HAVE TO PUT THEM IN STRATEGIC AREAS.
GO TO THE NEXT ONE. THIS CONTINUATION THE WAY OUR CURRENT CODE WORKS IT'S ABOUT POINT SYSTEM.
WE HAVE A CHART THAT SHOWS HOW YOU GET YOUR TREE POINTS IF YOU ARE LEAVING A NATIVE TREE.
FOR EXAMPLE YOU GET WAY MORE POINTS IF YOU INSTALL A NATIVE TREE OR IF IT'S A NONNATIVE TREE.
IF IT'S LIKE A CRAZY PALM TREE; YOU WILL GET ALMOST NO POINTS FOR SAVING THAT. IF IT'S A LIVE OAK THAT'S TEN INCHES AROUND YOU WILL GET A TON OF POINT.
WE WORK BY WAY OF POINT SYSTEM.
SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT WE CAN ONLY ADDRESS COMMERCIAL LOTS WITH CLEARING OF TREES AND STUFF.
RESIDENTIAL LOTS BY STATE STATUTE ARE PROTECTED.
THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT BASICALLY.
>> DOES THAT ALSO APPLY TO RESIDENTIAL LOTS WHEN THEY ARE DEVELOPING A DEVELOPMENT?
>> NOT A DEVELOPMENT. A DEVELOPMENT IS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.
IT FOLLOWS UNDER OUR JURISDICTION.
>> WHEN DOES IT BECOME RESIDENTIAL?
>> WHEN THE HOMEOWNER GETS THAT.
>> FOR EXAMPLE, WE COULD DO ANYTHING TO A DEVELOPER, THEN AND THE HOMEOWNERS GOT THE SOUL RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO MOVE A TREE IF HE DOESN'T LIKE.
IF WE GIVE THEM THE TREES IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE TREE
THEY CAN CUT IT DOWN. >> THAT GETS US WHERE WE WANT THE GO. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE COMPLETE DEVASTATION WHEN THEY GO IN THERE TO BUILD.
>> RIGHT. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
WE HAVE TREE PRESERVATION. WE HAVE THE POINT SYSTEM.
>> HOW DOES THE POINT WORK? >> THEY HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF POINTS FOR THE PLAN TO BE APPROVED.
AND THEY GET THOSE POINTINGSES BY LEAVING THE TREE OR AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN THEY BRING IN THE PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, IT SHOWS WHAT THEIR PLANNING AND IT HAS TO ADD UP TO THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POINTS.
>> THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE BEFORE THEY START CUTTING.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> THE LANDSCAPE PROCESS IS PART OF THE PLANNING AND REVIEW PROCESS.
WHEN THEY DO ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS, OUR LANDSCAPERS HAVE TO APPROVE THEIR PLANS BEFORE THEY CAN START GETTING THEIR BUILDING PERMITS.
>> JACKSONVILLE DOES SOMETHING WITH THE FUND;
>> THEY CONVERT SOMETHING INTO MONEY.
THEY GO BACK AND HOW DOES THAT ONE WORK?
>> PART OF THEIR ISSUE, IS THEY HAVE A FUND THAT THEY FOLKS PAY INTO. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM OUR LANDSCAPING, FOLKS IS ONE THING JACKSONVILLE THEY HAVE HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHERE TO PUT THE TREES.
THEY JUST PUT THEM IN PARKS AND THAT KIND OF THING.
WE LOOKED AT MAYBE DOING THAT.
YOU WILL SEE WHEN YOU GET TO OUR POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS OUR COURSE OF ACTION MAY HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON. AND I WILL BRING TO YOU SOMETIME THIS SPRING, BECAUSE THIS IS STUFF OUR STAFF HAS BEEN KEEPING KIND OF A RUNNING LIST OF SOME THINGS WE NEED TO FIX. WE OBVIOUSLY WANT TO CREATE A BIGGER PENALTY FOR THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE REMOVING THOSE TREES WITHOUT THEIR PLANS.
WE ALSO WANT TO INCLUDE A MITIGATION SECTION THAT WAS LEFT OUT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE A BETTER TREE LIST.
FOR FOLKS TO CHOOSE FROM. AND WE'RE REALLY WORKING WITH ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS AND THE DEVELOPER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE TREES SHOULD ACTUALLY GO.
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WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND SIDE WALKS AND ALL THAT STUFF. ALL OF THOSE WHAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON TO BRING TO YOU THIS SPRING, AND THEN WE CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE. YOU KNOW, WE CAN EXPLORE WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANTED US TO EXPLORE.THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ALREADY.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WANT US TO EXPLORE TO BRING BACK TO YOU IN THE SPRING, WE CAN DO THAT AS
WELL. >> A POINT IS PREDICATED ON THE SIZE AND TYPE OF TREE. WE MAINTAIN THAT AS STATUS
>> ONE OF THE THINGS YOU COULD DO.
>> WHO IS THE POINT JUDGE ON THIS?
>> WHO DECIDES WHETHER THERE'S A VIOLATION OR NOT?
>> THAT'S CARSON IS OUR LANDSCAPE --
>> DOES IT GO TO CODE ENFORCEMENT?
>> NO. >> WHEN THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES CLEAR PROPERTIES ILLEGALLY IT GOES THROUGH CODE. OUR LANDSCAPE PROFESSIONAL IS BETH CARSON. SHE'S A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT BY TRADE AND PLANNER BY TRADE.
SHE AND HER TEAM SAMANTHA OLSON IS ASSISTING HER.
AND THEY ACTUALLY GO OUT AND MEASURE THE TREES AND SHRUBS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF ON THESE COMMERCIAL SITES.
>> THERE'S SEVERAL PROPERTIES ALONG 17 ON THE WAY TO ORANGE PARK THAT HAVE BEEN CLEAR-CUT.
HAVE THEY BEEN VIOLATED? >> THE TWO THAT ARE ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE HEADING UP ARE BOTH RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
>> I WILL SAY BETH AND HER TEAM DO A PHENOMENAL JOB.
THERE WAS A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN MY DISTRICT THAT I WON'T SPECIFICALLY NAME.
BUT THEY HAD PUT IN A BUNCH OF TREES THAT WERE TOO SMALL. AND NOT IN THEIR APPROVED PLAN. AND THEY HAD DONE SOME OTHER THINGS THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO.
BUILDING INSPECTION GROUP WAS OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE OPERATING WITHOUT CO. AND BETH AND HER TEAM WENT OUT THERE. AND THEY HAD -- THEY MADE PULLOUT ALL THE TREES. AND THEY HAD TO REPLACE THEM WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE PUT IN.
>> SHE REALLY -- I THINK THAT PART OF THE SYSTEM
>> HERE'S WHAT IS CRAZY. IN ALL OF THE PLANS AND ALL THE PLAN REVIEW, WE DO. THESE DEVELOPERS PAY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT A GOOD AMOUNT OF MONEY TO COME UP WITH A LANDSCAPE PLAN. AND NO ONE READS THE DARN THING. WE'RE LIKE, IF YOU WOULD HAVE READ -- THEY CALL ME MAD ALL THE TIME.
SHE'S MAKING US DO THIS. SHE'S MAKING US DO THAT.
WELL READ THE PLANS. YOUR PLANS SAID YOU WERE PUTTING IN YOU KNOW, LIVE OAKS AND YOU HAVE CRATE MIRTLES. THAT PART WORKS.
AND WE DO HAVE TO K KEEP -- THEIR FINGERS TO THE FIRE. AS LONG AS WE KNOW ABOUT COMMERCIAL LOTS THAT ARE BEING CLEARED.
WE CAN ADDRESS THOSE. >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA ABOUT THE PENALTY. I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH WITH THAT. I KNOW YOUR HANDS ARE TIED.
WE HAVE TO PAY 250 -- >> WE -- WHAT WE'VE DONE.
WE DONE RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT OTHER COUNTY DOES.
AND WHEN WE COME BACK -- >> IT WILL BE A STIFF
PENALTY. >> WHEN WE COME BACK IN SPRING YOU WILL SEE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
>> THEY CUT IT DOWN. YOU CUT DOWN 100-YEAR-OLD
>> DEVELOPER WOULD RATHER JUST CUT THEM DOWN ANYWAY.
>> THEY DON'T --. >> THAT DO THAT IN DUVAL COUNTY. THEY HAVE ORDINANCES THAT FINE THEM HEAVILY. THEY JUST CUT THEM DOWN AND
PAY THE FINE. >> BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO DEVELOP AS IN THE CLEAN SLATE THAN JUST REPLANT.
>> HOW CLOSELY DO WE WORK WITH ORANGE PARK OR GREEN COVE IN TERMS OF TREE. I KNOW GREEN COVE HAS A TREE ORDINANCE. I KNOW BECAUSE WE HAD TO
REPLACE SOME TREES. >> ORANGE PARK DOES AS WELL.
>> DEPENDING WHAT THEY HAVE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TOO FAR AWAY FROM MAYBE WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
MAYBE WE TAKE A LOOK TO WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
>> I THINK WE SHOULD BE WORKING WITH THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
BECAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A REPRESENTATIVE FROM NEFPA. HE SAID, OH, WELL, A LOT OF TIMES WE CLEAR-CUT BECAUSE THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT MAKES US BUILDUP THE PROPERTY TO WHICH I RESPONDED AND SAID MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE BUILDING ON PROPERTY THAT HAS TO BE BUILT UP.
BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE HOMEOWNERS PAY THE PRICE;
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RIGHT? IF YOU BUILDUP A PIECE OF PROPERTY. YOU BRING IN FILL DIRT.THE PROBLEM IS NOT TODAY. THE PROBLEM IS 20 YEARS FROM NOW AND IT'S PROBABLY TWO OR THREE HOMEOWNER DOWN THE ROAD WHO HAS NO IDEA IT'S BEEN BUILT UP.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT CAN HELP US IN THAT VEIN. I HAVE MENTIONED IT TO DOUG.
IT WON'T BE A SURPRISE WHEN YOU TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THAT COULD BE IMPORTANT.
>> OKAY. >> WE'VE GOT OUR COURSE OF ACTION IF YOU'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE YOU ALL WANT US TO ADD TO THAT WE LOOK TO BRING THAT TO YOU IN EARLY
SPRING. >> WHAT'S THE DATE ON EARLY
SPRING? >> I JUST WANTED A STAKE IN
THE GROUND. >> THAT WILL TAKE CODE CHANGES; I WOULD SAY DEFINITELY NOT BEFORE MAY.
I WILL SAY JUNE ON THIS ONE. >> IT SAYS LATE SPRING,
EARLY SUMMER. >> WE'LL SHOOT FOR JUNE.
>> WHAT'S MADAM CLERK, WHAT IS THE DATE IN JUNE?
>> LAST -- IT IS 28TH. >> JUNE 28 LITTLE.
>> JUNE 28TH. >> SINCE OUR LAST MEETING IN
>> ONE LAST QUESTION. WHAT IS THE CURRENT FINE?
>> WHAT IS THE CURRENT FINE? >> $500.
NO WONDER THEY DO WHAT THEY DO.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT IT COULD COST -- I KNOW THE REASON THEY CLEAR-CUT BECAUSE THEN THEY CAN DRIVE ALL OVER THE PLACE AND DO CONSTRUCTION WORK AND DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING. NOW IF WE SAY WE EXPECT THERE'S GOING TO BE 10% OF THE TREES THAT ARE 100-YEAR-OLD TREES THAT WE DON'T MOVE.
THEY HAVE CHANGE THE PLAN IF POSSIBLE.
AND THEN SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE UP HALF THE TREES AND WORK AROUND THEM. HOW MUCH MORE IS THAT GOING TO COST? THAT OUGHT TO BE ABOUT WHAT
THE FINE SHOULD BE. >> WHICH I GOT A FEELING, IT WILL BE A REAL BIG NUMBER; WHICH IS WHAT WE WANT.
>> I THINK WE LOOK AT NOT LESS THAN $25,000 OR
SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE. >> PER ACRE.
>> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT PER ACRE.
>> YOU GO IN TO PLACE LIKE HER PLACE AND YOU ARE DOING HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF ACRES HAS HE GOT?
>> YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEIR -- THEY ARE BLOWING US OFF. WHO CARES.
>> THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT IF THEY GO IN THERE, AND THEY
CUT THE TREES, IT'S $500. >> FOR THAT WHOLE PIECE OF
PROPERTY. >> IT'S ONE COMMERCIAL DEAL.
>> IF THEY WOULD HAVE COME THROUGH THE PROCESS, AND SHOWN US THEIR LANDSCAPE PLANS, THEY COULD PROBABLY STILL AT THE END OF THE DAY CUT ALL THAT.
WHAT WE HAVE AHEAD OF TIME ARE THE LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT SHOW WHAT THEY WILL DO AFTER.
>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT SARATOGA.
>> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN GENERAL.
>> THE OTHER ONE WE KNOW ABOUT.
>> AS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THEY WERE CUTTING TREES, WHICH ONCE WE HAVE THEIR LANDSCAPE.
THE RESIDENT RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THEM.
>> WE WILL SAY THAT FOR THAT ONE PARTICULARLY, THE SUBDIVISION THAT'S TO THE NORTH OF THEM HAS A 50-FOOT BUFFER THEY HAVE WIDDLED AWAY AT OVER THE YEARS.
IF THEY -- IF THAT WHOLE 50-FOOT BUFFER ALONG THAT PROPERTY EDGE, THAT EXISTING SUBDIVISION CAN PLANT ALL OF THAT. AND THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE
ABLE TO SEE THOSE. >> THEY WIDDLED AWAY AT THAT BUFFER OVER THE YEARS JUST MOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE AND MORE. NOW THEY HAVE BIGGER BACKYARD. IT'S REALLY HOA PROPERTY.
WE'VE GOT DELIVERABLES ON THAT.
NEXT ONE IS STORMWATER. A LOT OF YOU GUY TALKED ABOUT STORMWATER. HERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS WE FOUND. NORTH SAINT JOHN ALLOWS FOR SIZE LIMITATIONS. AND ELIMINATING THE SIZE OF A STORMWATER FACILITY. THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE DOES ALLOW FOR NEW MORE THAN 15-FOOT DEEP.
>> STORMWATER FACILITIES IS A POND?
>> STORMWATER POND, YES. >> THE SIZE LIMITS WHAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF HAS DISCUSSED IF YOU WANTED TO GO THE AVENUE OF THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE AND DO 15-FOOT MAXIMUM YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WHERE YOU HAVE A REALLY LONG POND THAT'S OVER 15 FEET DEEP. OR YOU MAY JUST HAVE YOU
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KNOW A LOT OF SMALL PONDS ON ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY.THERE COULD BE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT. WILLS THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS NO SIZE LIMITATION.
I SPENT SEVERAL AFTERNOONS ON THE PHONE TALKING WITH THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE SIZE LIMITATIONS ON THEIR STORMWATER FACILITIES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF DOES THINK IS ONCE THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY IS BUILT WE'LL HAVE A LOT LESS NEED FOR DIRT. HOPEFULLY A LOT LESS NEED FOR STORMWATER FACILITIES IN THE NEXT COMING YEARS.
THAT'S JUST SOME THOUGHTS. >> THEY ARE KILLING A PARTICULAR AREA OF MIDDLEBURGH.
ONE PERSON -- ONE MULTIMILLIONAIRE WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY IS KILLING AN ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IN MIDDLEBURGH. WHERE HALF THE RESIDENTS THERE AREN'T THE RESIDENTS THAT WERE EVEN THERE LAST YEAR. BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL SELLING THEIR PROPERTIES AND MOVING. BECAUSE OF THIS PROBLEM.
>> ONE PROBLEM. >> AND IT'S AWFUL.
AND YOU KNOW THE COUNTY TELLS THEM YOU CAN'T DRIVE YOUR DUMP TRUCKS ON THE PAVED ROADS.
SO THEY DRIVE ALL THEIR OTHER TRUCKS ON THE PAVED ROADS. THEY DIDN'T PAVE THE ROAD AND I KNOW THE COUNTY THE PREVIOUS COUNTY STAFF TOLD THEM THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PAVE THE ROAD.
AND NOW THEY BROKE -- THEY BACKED INTO SOME GUYS FENCE.
AND HE'S NOT A FULL-TIMER. HE HAD THE HOUSE FOR SALE.
SO THEY DIDN'T FIX IT. AND THEY ACT LIKE THAT'S NO BIG DEAL. IT'S SO DISRESPECTFUL.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THIS ONE. WE HAVE ANOTHER.
HE'S DOING THE OTHER ONE. HE'S DOING EVERYTHING WITHIN EXCEPT HE'S BUILDING A LIVE SYMPTOM POND THAT'S TAKING TEN YEARS TO BUILD. THOSE ARE THE PROBLEMS AND IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING TO ME THAT THE WATER MANAGEMENT
DISTRICT -- >> IS NOT A PARTNER IN THIS.
AND WANT TO ACT LIKE, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE.
IT'S NOT THE CURRENT BOARD OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT. IT'S NOT THE CURRENT STAFF OF THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
THEY'VE HAD A WHOLE CHANGE OVER IN STAFF.
THE PREVIOUS STAFF DIDN'T CARE.
AND IT'S NOT ONLY THIS ONE PART OF MIDDLEBURGH THAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHERE ELSE CAN THEY GO INTO MORE RURAL AREAS.
THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY IS WHAT STILL FIVE OR TEN YEARS OUT FROM BEING FINISHED? IT'S MOSTLY MY DISTRICT THAT THIS IMPACTS. BUT I JUST FEEL STRONGLY -- I MEAN THE ONE IN MIDDLEBURGH COULD CHANGE THE TOPPOGRAPHY OF BLACK CREEK.
AND BLACK CREEK IS ONE OF OUR MOST PRECIOUS RESOURCES.
WE SHOULD ALL CARE ABOUT THAT HAPPENS.
THEY ARE DIGGING RIGHT OVER A VEIN THAT GOES UNDER GROUND THAT FEEDS THE NORTH FORK OF BLACK CREEK THAT IS ONLY ABOUT 6 FEET DEEP AT THAT POINT.
WHAT I WORRY MORE ABOUT THEY WILL HIT THAT VAIN AND THEY WILL CHANGE -- IT WILL -- THAT PART OF BLACK CREEK WILL DRAIN OUT AND YOU JUST WON'T HAVE IT ANYMORE.
>> RIGHT. >> AND THEN THERE'S PEOPLE WHO HAVE CREEK FRONT PROPERTY, HAVE DRY PROPERTY.
WE KNOW ALL ABOUT THAT IN THE KEYSTONE AREA.
I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE THAT WE CAN AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT MAXIMUM DEPTH AND STORMWATER PONDS. I DOESN'T SEEM LIKE TO ME -- THE PEOPLE ABUSING THE ORDINANCE ARE NOT.
THEY ARE -- THEY ARE NOT STOPPING.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING IN STORMWATER POND FOR ACTUAL STORMWATER DRAINAGE IN RETAIL SHOPPING CENTER OR WHATEVER, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE NOT THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE DIGGING MORE THAN 15 FEET DEEP.
IN MIDDLEBORO WE HAVE 45 TO 60 FEET DEEP.
MAYBE 15 NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.
BUT I CAN TELL YOU 56 IS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER.
AND WHAT YOU ARE HIT CLAY COUNTY IS SOMEONE BEFORE I WAS ON THIS COMMISSION. SOMEONE MADE A PRESENTATION ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION.
AND USE THE TERM MINING THE FUTURE OF CLAY COUNTY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY ARE MINING FOR? IT'S NOT DIRT. IT'S LIMEROCK.
AND SOME OF THE OTHER MINERALS THAT ARE MINED FOR THAT ARE UNDER THE GROUND IN CLAY COUNTY.
WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS FROM THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE US DO.
I DON'T KNOW IF 15 IS RIGHT ANSWER.
I DON'T THINK THAT 56 IS THE RIGHT ANSWER.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT JUST DIG
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DIGGING TO THE LIMEROCK. THEY WAY THEY GET LIKE ROCK OUT THEY BLAST IT. THEY DON'T HAVE A LIKE PERMIT. THEY BLAST ON THE WEEKENDS.OVER THERE IN MIDDLEBURGH CURRENTLY.
WHICH IS NOT ALL OF -- ALL OF THIS OUTSIDE THE COUNTY ORDINANCE. IT'S STATE DEP AND ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
THEY ARE ALL APPOINTED STAFF THAT REPORTS REALLY TO NO VOTERS ACCEPT THE GOVERNOR OR NO ELECTED OFFICIAL ACCEPT THE GOVERNOR AND HE'S BUSY.
YOU KNOW, HE HAS HIS STAFF AND HE'S TRYING AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYBODY DOING ANYTHING WRONG.
BUT MEANWHILE OUR COUNTY SITTING OVER HERE.
THE COUNTY COMMISSION TURNS THIS ONE DOWN 5-0.
NO ONE ON THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION DID ANYTHING WRONG. YET THERE'S A NEIGHBORHOOD IN MIDDLEBURGH, FLORIDA IN CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA BEING DESTROYED BY SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T LIVE HERE WHO DOESN'T CARE, WHO LIVES IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND IS MAKING HIS MILLIONS DESTROYING A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT ANYBODY CAN DO.
AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN.
>> ON THAT. HERE'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE PUT AS POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS.
CAN YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.
>> YOU CAN ADOPT NO CHANGES, RECOGNIZING OUR CODE ADDRESS. YOU CAN ADOPT SIZE LIMITATION AND OR DEPTH LIMITATIONS.
WE CAN AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REQUIRE STORMWATER FACILITIES BE PROPORTIONATE TO NUMBER OF UNITS GOING IN. IF YOU BUILD 20-HOUSE SUBDIVISION, WE COULD LIMIT IT PROPORTIONATELY TO BE -- SOME OF THE VERBAGE WE'VE SEEN YOUR STORMWATER FACILITY COULD BE 10% GREATER THAN WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR THOSE 25 HOMES. OR WE CAN ALSO EXPLORE A STORMWATER FACILITY APPLICATION BECAUSE CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A BORROWED PIT APPLICATION CURRENTLY. WE HAVE A LIVESTOCK OR AGRICULTURE POND APPLICATION, WE DON'T HAVE A BECAUSE WE'RE ST. JOHN'S N,- RIVER MONITORS ALL OF THAT.
HOWEVER, WE COULD HAVE AN APPLICATION ALMOST NEARLY JUST FOR RECORD KEEPING AND KNOWING WHO -- WHAT IS WHERE. BUT FOR THE MOST PART ST. JOHN'S RIVER IS THE ONE WHO GETS THE STORMWATER
FACILITY. >> IF WE DID THE PROPORTIONAL TO NUMBER OF UNITS COULD BE REQUIRED THE UNITS BE BUILT BEFORE THEY DIG THEIR STORMWATER POND?
>> THAT'S WHERE THEY DRAIN THE WATER THEY OFF PUT FROM PUTTING SLABS AND HARD SURFACES DOWN.
I THINK THE PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE IS SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE AREA, BUT I THINK IT DUPLICATES ITSELF SEVERAL TIME. THE ONE COMMISSIONER CONNER WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IT WAS CONDITIONAL USE. WE DIDN'T GET TO VOTE ON A CONDITIONAL USE. THEY USED UP A LOOPHOLE THAT NEEDS TO BE CLOSED TO BE ABLE TO SAY THEY WILL PUT 28 HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A STORMWATER FACILITY. YOU DON'T DIG A STORMWATER FACILITY 60 FEET DEEP AND RECOVER FIVE FOOTBALL FIELDS. I MEAN IF WE MAKE -- IF WE MAKE THIS RULING, THEY WERE STILL ABLE TO DO IT WITH US MAKING THE RULING. HOW IS IT NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE. --
>> THAT NEVER CAME TO BCC. THAT CAME TO PLANNING AND ZONING. THEY TURNED AROUND AND THEN SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 28 HOMES AND NOW IT'S DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED.
IT'S ALREADY ZONED. THE ONE IN MIDDLEBURGH WAS
ALREADY ZONED. >>THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO COME TO US TO GET CONDITIONAL USE.
THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM. BECAUSE THAT COULD HAPPEN
AGAIN. >> AND YOU SAID THE RESIDENT ARE IN FEAR OF IT HAPPENING SOMEWHERE ELSE LIKE IT WAS AOUT TO HAPPEN IN MY DISTRICT, THEY WERE SCARED TO DEATH THAT LOOPHOLE WOULD HAPPEN AGAIN.
>> THEY SAID -- BUILD 28 HOMES.
THEN BECOME A STORMWATER FACILITY.
>> NOW THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT NOT BUILDING THE HOMES. AND IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SAME DEVELOPER DID THE SAME THING AND THEY NEVER BUILT THE HOMES. SAINT MARK'S POND.
NEVER BUILT THEM. >> APPLIED AND GOT IT
APPROVED. >> IT'S LIKE A LIVESTOCK
POND. >> NEVER HAD ANY LIVESTOCK
THERE. >> YOU COULD -- YOU COULD STACK ABOUT 25 COWS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER.
>> AND THAT'S A LIVESTOCK POND, DIFFERENT THAN
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STORMWATER POND. WE HAVE PUT LIVESTOCK PONDS HAVE TO BUILD WITHIN THREE YEARS.NO DEEPER THAN 15 FEET AND HAVE TO BE DONE WITHIN A YEAR OR HAVE TO COME BACK AND REUP THEIR PERMIT.
>> I LIKE THOSE RESTRICTIONS ON IT.
BECAUSE THEN THE OTHER ONE -- ANOTHER ONE THAT'S IN MY DISTRICT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPEN.
BECAUSE NOW WHAT CAN HAPPEN ON THAT PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY IS BECAUSE IT'S ZONED AG, EVEN THOUGH EVERYTHING IS AG/RESIDENTIAL THEY COULD COME BACK AND TAKE THAT AND PUT MOBILE HOME PARK ON IT WITHOUT COMING TO THROUGH THE BCC. AND REALLY MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOT DESIRABLE AS WELL.
>> I'M NOT TRYING TO CODIFY CERTAIN EXAMPLES.
BUT I THINK WE CAN LEARN FROM PAST LOOPHOLES.
AND I THINK WE NEED TO. IF 15 FEET IS RIGHT NUMBER.
I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S POINT ABOUT FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. BUT THERE WILL BE SOMETHING ELSE. I UNDERSTAND RIGHT NOW THAT DIRT IS A PREMIUM. BUT ALL THE DIRT IS IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY. AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT THE HOMEOWNERS WHO HAVELIED IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY AND STILL LIVE THERE AND HAVE TO LIVE BESIDE IT FROM THIS HAPPENING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT ANSWER IS. THE RIGHT DEPTH.
IF IT HAS WORKED ON THE LIVESTOCK PONDS CITY OF JACKSONVILLE USES 15 FEET. MAYBE WE START WITH 15 FEET.
YOU WILL GIVE ME DELIVERABLES AND WE WILL GET
SOME STUFF STARTED. >> I KNOW WE DON'T LIKE TO RESTRICT THE DEPTH OF 15 FOOT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD NUMBER TO START WITH. MOST OF THE NAVIGATABLE WATERWAY ON ST. JOHN'S RIVER IS TEN TO 15 FEET.
THERE'S A CHANNEL IN THERE. BUT IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BOTHER ANYBODY. IF IT'S MORE THAN 15 FEET IT'S A STRIP LINE THEN FALLS UNDER THEY HAVE TO FILL IT BACK UP. I HAD ONE IN MY DISTRICT THE GUY DIDN'T PULL THE PERMIT. WE CITED AND PULLED THE PERMIT FOR THE POND. HE DUG THE POND.
THEN HE STARTED DUMPING THE TRASH THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE DIRT FROM THE EXPRESSWAY BACK INTO THE POND.
AND THEN IT WAS CALLED AGRICULTURE WASTE.
AND IT'S A DISASTER. I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. IMSYMPATHIZE.
>> WE ALL THINK IT'S CERTAINLY A NECESSARY EVIL.
WE NEED THE DIRT OURSELVES WHEN WE BUILD OUR TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE LOOPHOLES THAT WE KNOW EXIST AND THOSE AREAS THAT ARE ALREADY A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT NEVER SEEMS THIS IS LIKE THE WILD WEST WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PITS.
THEY START WITH ONE THEN THEY GO TO SOMETHING ELSE.
THEN WE HAD -- I REMEMBER THAT WAS WHEN I WAS FIRST ON THE BOARD. I CONFRONTED THE GUY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE. THEY DON'T LIVE IN FLEMING ISLAND. AND I JUST GOT REALLY UPSET.
BECAUSE I WAS GETTING A LOT OF FLACK FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO RESTRICT MORE ON THE THAT SO WE HAVE PROTECTIONS FOR THE COUNTY.
>> THAT'S THE ONLY PROTECTION WE CAN PUT ON.
>> AS FAR AS HOW BIG THEY GET AND HOW MANY.
IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT A WATER FEATURE.
THAT'S FINE. >> WE HAVE CHILDREN THAT WONDER INTO THE PONDS. WE HAD CORVETTE THAT WENT INTO THE POND AND DRIVER WAS DROWNED TO DEATH.
I DON'T KNOW DO WHAT JOHNSON & JOHNSON WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAS SECURITY FOR PONDS AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT. IT'S A PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY. FOR THE PITS AND THE LIVESTOCK PONDS WE HAVE LANGUAGE IN THE CODE BUT NOT STORMWATER FACILITY. WE WILL DO WORK ON THAT.
>> THAT EXPLAIN A LOT. THAT EXPLAINS WHY A BIG GATE WAS TAKEN DOWN IN MIDDLEBURGH.
THAT FACILITY IS NOT SECURE ANYMORE.
>> I THINK SOME WERE TAKEN DOWN.
I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME DELIVERABLES ON THIS ONE.
THE WILL TAKE CODE CHANGE AS WELL.
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IF WE LIMENT TO NUMBER OF HOUSES, THEN THEY WILL HAVE MULTIPLE A LOT OF MULTIPLE PONDS INSTEAD OF THE BIG
ONES. >> BUT, THEN, I THINK THAT WE LET OUR EXPERTS IN PLANNING AND ZONING THAT APPROVED THE PLAN, THEY CAN COME BACK TO US AND SAY WE NEED APPROVE DEVIATION HERE. I RATHER SEE THAT PROPORTIONED TO -- THEN WE DON'T END UP WITH A FIVE-FOOT FIELD AND STORMWATER POND FOR ALLEGED
I LOOK AT PLUMBING ISLAND PLANTATION.
GOT OVER 3,000 UNITS. I'VE NEVER SEEN 56-FOOT POND. TO COLLECT STORMWATER.
AND WE'VE DONE JUST FINE. I THINK THE INTENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOT TO PROTECT THE COUNTY FROM.
AS I SAID IT'S THE -- IT'S LIKE BEING ON THE WILD WEST.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING IN PLACE THAT PROTECTS.
>> LAST ITEM FOR ME IS THE 40-FOOT LOTS.
40 FOOT LOTS ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE MASTER PLANS WITHIN THOSE MASTER PLANS, PER SUBDIVISION OR DEVELOPMENT ONLY 20% OF THE HOUSES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT CAN BE 40-FOOT LOTS.
IT'S PRETTY SMALL NUMBER. THAT WAS DONE ON PURPOSE WHEN THE MASTER PLANS WERE CREATED FOR AFFORDABILITY.
PRESERVATION ON CONSERVATION AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.
THAT'S WHAT IS THERE TODAY. THEY ARE ALSO ALLOWED IN PUD WHICH IS HOW YOU SEE A LOT OF THOSE 40-FOOT LOTS COME TO US. REMEMBER A PUD IS IT'S OWN ZONING. IT'S IT'S OWN ANIMAL.
AND SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME IT'S WIDE OPEN.
AS TO WHAT THEY WANT TO BRING YOU IN A PUD IF YOU WILL APPROVE THAT. YOU GOT IT THERE.
THE COURSE OF ACTION OR POSSIBLE SOLUTION YOU CAN MAINTAIN THE 20% OF THE LOTS IN LAKE ASBURY.
AND GRANDFIELD MASTER PLANS. YOU COULD DO 40 FOOT LOTS AND KEEP THEM IN THE PUD'S OR ADOPT GREATER THAN 40-FOOT LOTS IN THE PUD'S. OR YOU COULD ALSO DO WHAT WE DO IN THE MASTER PLANS AND SAY OKAY.
WE'LL ALLOW YOU TO PUT 40-FOOT LOTS IN PUD.
BUT ONLY DO A PERCENTAGE OF THE MASTER PLAN WHICH IS 20%. WE COULD ALSO EXPLORE AMENDING SETBACKS FOR DRIVEWAYS, GARAGES AND THAT KIND OF THING FOR THE 40-FOOT LOTS.
IT'S REALLY PURE POLICY DECISION AS TO WHAT YOU ALL WANT US TO LOOK AT CHANGES BRINGING BACK TO YOU GUYS.
>> ALL OF THE ABOVE. >> THAT'S A WIDE OPEN ONE.
>> THIS HAS BEEN MY LIST FOR YEARS.
IT'S 40-FOOT LOT. AND WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO WORK WITH THE DEVELOPERS. I THINK AT THIS POINT, I THINK THE LAKE ASBURY AND THE MASTER PLANS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO OPEN THAT POLICY AND MAKE A DETERMINATION THE 20% SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH. I LOOK AT IT QUALITY-OF-LIFE ISSUE. MAYFIELD THE PRIME EXAMPLE.
DRIVE-THRU THERE AND SEE PEOPLE PARKED ON THE LAWNS AND OVER THE SIDEWALKS AND EVERYWHERE AT 5:00 BECAUSE THERE'S NO PLACES TO PARK. SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PLANNED THAT WAY. LAKERIDGE NORTH AND FLEMING ALTHOUGH IT'S MULTIFAMILIAR UNIT CONDO.
NOT ENOUGH PARKING. THERE'S SINGLE FAMILY GARAGES AND TEN-FEET OF GARAGE BEFORE THEY HIT THE SIDEWALK. AND THEY GOT 20-FOOT STREETS. WE TOOK CARE OF THE 20-FOOT STREETS. AND MADE IT 24.
THAT DOES HELP. BUT YOU KNOW PEOPLE HAVE MORE THAN 1 CAR IN THE HOUSEHOLD THESE DAYS.
20 YEARS FROM NOW. I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE CURSING ME OUT WHEN I TRY TO DRIVE-THRU A NEIGHBORHOOD.
BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL PARKED ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND FORCING KID TO DRIVE OFF THE SIDEWALK INTO THE STREET BECAUSE THEY HAVE F-150 IN THE DRIVEWAY AND LEANING
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OVER THE SIDEWALK. AFFORDABILITY.I KNOW THE BUILDER TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY WITH 40-FOOT LOTS. THE MORE LOTS YOU PUT ON THE MORE MONEY YOU MAKE. THEY ARE ALSO CHARGING TOP DOLLAR FOR THOSE HOUSES AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
CHARGING $350,000 FOR A 40-FOOT LOT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE MARKET WANTS.
NOT ONE HAND WON'T UP IN THE COULD.
>> THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDERS ARE PUSHING IN THE MARKET SPECULATION. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT THE SAME TIME, I THINK IT BEHOLDS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LOOK OUT FOR THOSE RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOT IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND SO FORTH. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MAYBE A PERCENTAGE IN PUD. I KNOW ST. JOHNS COUNTY AND BIGGER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE.
YOU CAN HAVE 40 AND 50 LOTS BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE 60S AND 70S. I THINK WE NEED THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE 40-FOOT LOT HOUSE ON TOP OF HOUSE ON TOP OF HOUSE. THEY HAVE TO BE SET BACK FAR ENOUGH FROM THE SIDEWALK SO THEY ARE NOT BLOCKING.
NO SENSE OF HAVING SIDEWALK IF YOU CAN'T WALK ON THE SIDEWALK. THEN YOU KNOW MAKING SURE WE CONTINUE TO GIVE THEM THE 24-FOOT STREET IF THEY HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET THEY CAN DO SO AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BLOCKING TRAFFIC.
I ALSO THINK THAT YOU KNOW AS THE DEVELOP THESE THINGS THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST DRIVEWAY THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE TWO CARS OFF THE SIDEWALK AND STREET.
IT'S MORE THAN JUST A 40-FOOT LOT.
>> ANY OTHER INPUT? BECAUSE I HAVE ALL THAT DOWN. WE WILL LEAVE MASTER PLAN AS IS. WE WILL LOOK AT UNLESS YOU GIVER ME A DIFFERENT NUMBER. WE CAN DO THE 20 PERCENT.
40-FOOT LOTS AND PUD UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE A BIGGER NUMBER THAN THAT. THINK ABOUT THAT.
>> THERE WAS INFIELD KIND OF DEAL.
THE GUY WANTED TO JAM AS MANY HOUSES IN THERE AS HE COULD. THAT MADE SENSE TO SAY NO TO THAT. THE PROBLEM IS THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT 40-FOOT LOTS.
THEY WANT SOMETHING SMALL. TO SAY THE LOT SIZE IS THE REAL THING IS KIND OF TOUGH. I MEAN, IF YOU HAD 40-FOOT LOT AND FIVE-STORY CONDO ON IT WHERE YOU HAD BEDROOMS ON DIFFERENT LEVELS AND STUFF. I WOULDN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENT. THE REAL TRICK HERE IS THE SET BACKS AND GETTING THE STUFF CLEARED SO THAT YOU ENOUGH SPACE AROUND THE HOUSE.
WHAT DRIVES ME NUTS IN THE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS.
YOU SEE THE EVES SIX FEET APART BY THE TIME YOU ARE DONE. THAT'S JUST TICKY TACKY AND IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. WE'RE BUILDING SLUMS WHEN WE DO THAT, I THINK. I DON'T THINK THE LOT SIZE IS THAT CRITICAL. IF YOU GET THE SET BACKS FIXED. AND MY PREFERENCE WHEN WE GET THIS DENSITY. WE SHOULD BE DOING MULTIPLE STORIES INSTEAD OF TRYING TO JAM AS MANY HOUSES IN THERE AS WE CAN. THAT WAY WE CAN HAVE GREEN SPACE AROUND THE SKYSCRAPER AND IT WOULDN'T MAKE MUCH DIFFERENT AS FAR AS HOW IT LOOKED.
>> OKAY. >> WHAT'S THE SIDEWALK SET
BACK RIGHT NOW? >> I THINK IT DEFERS -- SIDEWALK SET BACKS?
>> YOU DON'T HAVE SET BACKSIDE WALK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. [INAUDIBLE] WE NEED TO INCREASE IT TO ACCOMMODATE THE BIGGER
VEHICLES WE HAVE TODAY. >> OKAY.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT.
>> A AVOID THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF THE SIDEWALK.
>> ALL RIGHT. FOR ME IT'S MORE ABOUT THE STARTER HOME, THE YOUNG FAMILIES ARE MILITARY FAMILIES THAT COME INTO CLAY COUNTY, THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE THE MINIVAN OR FULL-SIZED SUV TO COMMISSIONER BURKE'S POINT FROM THAT PREVIOUS ONE SUBDIVISION. THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAYS. THEY WILL HAVE THE KIDS ON BICYCLES LIKE MAYFIELD. WHERE IT'S MORE THE PUD'S TARGETED TOWARD SENIORS AND ACTIVE LIVING.
A LOT OF THEM WANT THE ZERO LOT LINE KIND OF PATIO HOMES. IF YOU HAVE BEEN INTO
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MAGNOLIA POINT. THERE'S PATIO HOMES GOING UP BY THE GOLF COURSE. BUT THEY STILL HAVE NICE YARDS AND IT LOOKS ATTRACTIVE.BUT THEY THEIR ASSOCIATION TAKES CARE OF IT.
I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO ACCOMMODATE WITHOUT MAYBE TAKING OURSELVES WHERE IT'S NO GRASS.
AND ALL CONCRETE. AND ASPHALT.
>> RIVER DOWN DID THE SAME THING.
THEY GOT 40-FOOT LOTS AND 50 AND 60S.
BUT THE WAY THEY HAVE IT SET YOU CAN'T TELL BECAUSE THEY MOVED AROUND THE SET BACKS AND THEY MOVED AROUND THE STYLE OF THE HOUSES AND MOVED AROUND THE SIZE OF THE LOTS. I THINK THE SIZE OF THE LOT
WHERE THE SET BACK COMES IN. >> AFTER YOU DO ALL THE SET BACKS THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT THE HOUSE.
>> I THINK WE GOT DELIVERABLES ON THAT.
I WILL BRING THIS ONE BACK JULY 26TH.
>> OKAY. THERE'S A LOT OF LIFTING ON
THAT ONE. >> I'VE GOT ONE MORE THING.
REAL QUICK JUST AN UPDATE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES.
ARTICLE 3 AND ARTICLES 7 ARE THE TWO BIG ARTICLES.
THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH WGI.
WE WILL BRING YOU -- THIS KIND OF JUST AN UPDATE.
WE'LL BRING YOU THAT FINAL PRODUCT 2023 WHEN THEY ARE SET TO HAVE THAT READY FOR ACCEPTANCE IN THE MEANTIME, WE'LL START REACHING OUT ABOUT SURVEYS AND COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND ALL THAT STUFF. IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT MOVING
FORWARD. >> WHAT WILL THAT DO?
>> ARTICLE 3 IS ALL THE ZONING AND --
>> FOR GUYS LIKE ME WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT ARTICLE 3
AND THE PUBLIC. >> IT'S THE ZONING ARTICLES.
IT'S 500 PAGE CHAPTER. THAT'S ALL YOUR ZONING LAND USE AND ALL OF THAT. THEY WILL REVAMP THAT ENTIRE ARTICLE AND THEN ARTICLE 7 IS THE SIGN CODE.
IT'S THE TWO BIG HEAVY LIFTS IS THE ONES THAT KGI IS
>> THE BUSINESS SIGNS THAT ARE ON --
>> ALL SIGNS. ANYTHING TO DO WITH A SIGNS IN THAT ARTICLE. ALL THE REMAINING ARTICLES WE'RE DOING BITS AND PIECES OF.
ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN WORKIN ON SOME OF THEM FOR A WHILE NOW. WE'LL BRING THOSE IN BITS AND PIECES TO YOU. IF YOU HAVE PARTICULAR THINGS. IF YOU HAVE DEVELOPERS OR SOMEONE THAT REACHES OUT TO YOU.
IF YOU HAVE PARTICULAR THINGS WITH ARTICLE THREE WHICH IS YOUR ZONING LAND USE.
SEND E-MAIL TO ED IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC THINGS YOU WANT TO BE ADDRESSED IN THERE.
SAME THING WITH OUR SIGN CODE.
>> THAT'S ALL FOR ME. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY
PARTICULAR QUESTIONS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS AND I WANT TO KNOW. I KNOW I ASKED COURTNEY A LITTLE BIT. BE AWARE THEY CAME BACK OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND WE SAY NO AND THEN THEY BACK OUT LAST MINUTE. AND THE DEVELOPERS OR THE CONSULTANTS OR WHATEVER. WE HAVE NO RECOURSE THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DOING THAT. TAKE UP ALL THE STAFF TIME.
WE PENALIZE THEM OR SOMETHING.
>> I THINK WHAT I RESPONDED TO THAT REQUEST WAS THAT'S WHY WE HAVE APPLICATION FEE. AND THEY PAY THAT
>> OKAY. >> THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE FEE TO COVER THE STAFF TIME FOR INVESTIGATING IT AND BRINGING IT TO YOU? THAT'S WHAT THE SUPPOSED TO
COVER. >> WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE FEES. [INAUDIBLE] WE'VE LOOKED AT ALL OF THOSE FEES THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I THINK THEY ARE IN A GOOD PLACE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. THE AMOUNT THAT THE FEES
ARE. >> 6 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT, THOUGH IS 1200 BUCKS. WE MIGHT WANT TO MAKE IT HOOKED TO THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT.
THAT'S ONE WAY TO DEAL WITH IT.
THEN I SHARE YOUR PAIN ON THAT ONE.
I WISH WE COULD HAVE BROUGHT THAT ONE AND DISPATCHED IT.
>> I GOT ONE ITEM THAT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES.
DIDN'T GO UNDER THE TREE AND WHEREVER.
IN TERMS OF THE LANDSCAPING, I KNOW THAT WE ARE REALLY TAKING GREAT PAINS TO DO THAT STUFF.
I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION OF LESS WATER
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CONSUMPTION FOR THE LANDSCAPING THAT WE DO PUT IN. THAT INCLUDES LAWNS.IT ALSO INCLUDES THE LAWNS WHERE WE ARE DUMPING ALL THIS FERTILIZER ON IT THAT FINDS ITS WAY INTO OUR TRIBUTARIES WHETHER IT'S PONDS OR STREAMS OR CREEKS OR RIVERS, AND YOU KNOW I THINK WE WOULD BE BETTER SUITED A TEST COUNTY IF WE STARTED THAT PROCESS NOW.
EVEN TO THE AMOUNT OF TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM WE WILL HAVE MEDIAN. MAYBE WE PUT INSTEAD OF PUTTING GRASS WHICH WILL TURN INTO WEEDS IN COUPLE OF YEARS THAT DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND THE SAME THINGS WITH LAWNS IN FRONT OF HOMES.
I THINK ST. JOHNS DOES THAT. THEY PUT ONE KIND OF GRASS IN THE BACKYARD AND ANOTHER GRASS IN THE FRONT YARD TO BE ABLE TO SAVE ON CHEMICALS AND WATERING.
I REALLY THING YOU KNOW, OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTRY ARE DOING IT. NEVADA.
THEY ARE PAYING PEOPLE TO CONVERT FROM GRASS LAWNS TO DESERT ESCAPES. IT'S HAVING PAGE IMPACT ON SAVING WATER. WHEN WE MOVE THAT DIRECTION NOW. WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF.
FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND MOWING CREW OUT THERE EVERY TWO WEEKS IN THE
SUMMER TRIAL. >> IT'S VERY WISE.
IF YOU LISTEN TO -- WHICH IF ANYONE DID LISTEN TO IT AND DIDN'T FALL ASLEEP I WOULD GIVE THEM A SURPRISE.
WHEN THE RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAD THEIR LOCAL WATER SUPPLY PLANNING MEETING, WATER SUPPLY IS A CONCERN. IN THE AREA.
AND WE HEARD THAT FROM JEREMY JOHNSON AND THEY TRYING TO GET CREATIVE STORMWATER RECOVERY.
BUT I WOULD AGREE. >> BACK ON THE PREVIOUS TOPIC, I -- MAYBE -- MY IDEA IF IT'S LEGAL IS THAT INSTEAD OF INCREASING THE STAFF COST OR THE FINE OR WHATEVER, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN LIMIT WHEN SOMEONE CAN WITHDRAWAL AN APPLICATION.
IN THAT, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT ALWAYS HAPPENS AND WE TALK ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR INSTANCE THAT DID HAPPEN.
BUT BY THE POINT IT GETS TO US ADVERTISING A PUBLIC HEARING. WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC CAN STILL SPEAK TO IT.
WHY COULD THE COMMISSION NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH VOTING? BECAUSE IT'S AN AGENDAED TOPIC.
IT'S AN AGENDAED TOPIC FOR CONDUCTING THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY. AND WE ENTERTAIN THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK TO US TO GIVE US MORE INFORMATION.
BUT FOR THEM TO WITHDRAWAL THE APPLICATION ON THE BOARD FLOOR AT THAT TIME, SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S LATE -- TOO F LATE IN THE PROCESS.
ONE SOMETHING IS ON THE AGENDA.
IT'S PUBLISHED FOR THE PUBLIC.
WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD IT NOT BE APPROPRIATE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE IF WE CHOOSE TO OR IN ORDER FOR SOMETHING TO BE EITHER CONTINUED OR GOING TO TRADITIONAL ROBERTS RULES. EITHER CONTINUING IT OR TABLING IT OR SOME REMOVING IT FROM THE AGENDA WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED AND SECONDED BY A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION. WOULD IT NOT? FURTHER TO THAT. IT'S BEEN TREATED IN THE PAST IT'S THEIR APPLICATION AND THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO WITHDRAWAL IT. THERE'S NOTHING IN FRONT OF
THAT LIMITS THEM FROM BEING ABLE TO BRING IT BACK WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME; CORRECT?
>> IF YOU VOTE ON IT. >> RIGHT.
>> I GUESS WHAT I AM SAYING, IF WE KIND OF DRAW THAT LINE IN THE SAND, AND SAY YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO -- IF IT'S ON OUR AGENDA, AND WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING ABOUT IT. WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT.
OR IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO, THEY COULD HAVE PLED FOR A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE IT OR TO
REMOVE IT. >> I WILL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT PROCEDURE. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY HOW IT IS. WE WILL LOOK AND SEE IF WE
CAN DO THAT. >> I THINK TO ME THAT'S MORE PALATABLE THAN INCREASING A FEE OR A FINE -- OR INCREASING A FEE TO PUNISH ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO COME WITH ZONING CHANGE APPLICATIONS THAT FOLLOWED
THE PROCEDURES. >> ONE OF THE REASONS THEY WITHDRAWAL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG AS PERIOD OF TIME IF WE TURNED IT DOWN.
DO WE -- CAN'T WE SAY IF YOU WITHDRAWAL IT ON THE FLOOR SAME AMOUNT OF TIME YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO BRING IT BACK?
>> >> I PREFER TO SEE A DEAL WHERE THEY HAVE TO DO AN APPLICATION OUTSIDE OF THE BOARD MEETING TO WITHDRAWAL. THAT WAS -- I WAS PRETTY STEAMED UP WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
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IT DIDN'T SEEM RIGHT FOR ME TO LET THEM PULL IT OFF WITHOUT US VOTING. WE HAD A MOTION AND THE SECOND ON THAT ONE. WE SHOULD HAVE FINISHED THE VOTE. I DEFERRED TO OUR YOUR OPINION HERE. IF THERE'S A WAY WE CHANGE THE POLICY, THAT ONCE IT COMES IN HERE AND WE VOTE ON IT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND IF THEY WANT TO WITHDRAWAL IT, BEFORE IT DIES, THEY GOT TO GET -- THEY GOT TO GET TO US BEFORE IT COMES TO THE>> I HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION. SOME PEOPLE HAVE ASKED ME.
ARE WE NOT ABLE TO LIMIT THEIR PRESENTATION? BECAUSE THIS JUST GET A LITTLE BIT RIDICULOUS HOW
LONG APPLICANT IS ABLE? >> THEY ARE LIMITED.
THEY ARE LIMITED. IT'S THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION.
>> THREE MINUTES. IT'S MY FAULT.
I SHOULD TRIED TO GET HER TO SIT DOWN.
>> CERTAIN PEOPLE DON'T EVER ABIDE BY THAT.
>> THROW THEM OUT NEXT TIME. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY.
>> THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT COME IN THAT WE SEE A LOT.
AND YOU KNOW. >> WE'RE NOT MENTIONING ANY
>> THERE'S MORE QUESTIONS. IF THEY COULD LIMIT THE INITIAL PRESENTATION TO THREE MINUTES.
>> QUESTIONS ARE ONE THING. >> BY THE PRESENTATION THAT IS LONGER THAN THE GETTYSBURG ADDRESS DOESN'T
SEEM TO BE -- >> THEN THEY GET UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IT'S AN OPEN DISCUSSION DEAL. I WILL TAKE THE HEAT ON THAT ONE. I DIDN'T DO THAT RIGHT.
>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE TALKING COURTNEY, NORMALLY IF IT'S A FULL-BLOWN PRESENTATION IT'S USUALLY FIVE TO SIX MINUTES.
IN NORMAL PUBLIC COMMENT THREE MINUTE.
YES, SIR. JUST TO BACK THAT MAKE SURE THE TIMING. WE ALWAYS ASK WHOEVER IT IS THAT'S PRESENTING TO BE COG COGNIZANT OF THE TIME.
>> YOU HAVE THE TIMER TOO? >> YES.
>> MY STYLE IS CHAIRMAN HAS BEEN JUST TO HAVE KIND OF DISCUSSION WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
IF WE START TRIPPING ON EACH OTHER.
THEN I WILL JUMP IN. >> SOME PEOPLE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. .
ITS MY FAULT. I SHOULD TIGHTENED THAT ONE UP. WE GOT HER TO SIT DOWN AT
THE END. >> I'M JUST SAYING THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, I FEEL LIKE THERE HASN'T BEEN A LIMIT. NOT JUST WITH YOU.
>> ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR SO FAR AS WE'VE GOT DEADLINES ON EACH ONE OF THESE.
WE GOT DELIVERABLES, IF IN THE THEN TIME YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE GET IT TO THE FOLKS WORKING ON IT.
[2. Capital Improvement Plan & American Rescue Plan Projects]
AND WITH THAT WE WILL GO INTO OUR NEXT PHASE WHICH IS THE CIP PIECE. CAN I ASK FOR SLIGHT RECESS FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES HERE.FIVE-MINUTE RECESS -- >> AND THEN DESTROY WILL COME UP AND THERE'S SOME HANDOUTS TO TAKE A LOOK AT
IT'S GOING TO BE A LONG DAY. LET'S KEEP IT MOVING.
>> GOOD MORNING. COMMISSIONER.
THIS UPDATE ON CIP AND ARPA. YOU HAVE HAND OUT THAT YOU RECEIVED THAT SHOWS THE CIP. WE TAKE ONE YEAR OF CIP AND SHOW WHAT THE CURRENT PROJECT IS.
WHAT THE BUDGET IS, THE COMMITMENT THE OBLIGATION.
EXPENDITURES. BASICALLY WHERE IT IS AT IN OUR PROCESS. REQUISITION.
IS THERE A PO. HOW WE SPENT MONEY.
WHAT THE BALANCE IS LEFT TAKE THOSE AND SUBTRACT FROM THE BUDGET. WE FELT THIS WAS A GOOD WAY TO SHOW YOU WHERE EVERY PROJECT SITS NOW IN YOUR CIP. AND THEN WE PUT A COMMENT FIELD IN EX-TO -- NEXT TO IT.
WE PUT COMMENTS ON OTHER. INTENT TO TELL YOU WHERE THE ONE ZERO SPEND ARE AT. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO LINE BY LINE OR HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TOW APPROACH THIS OR SOMETHING YOU WOULD ASK TO SPECIFIC
QUESTION ON. >> HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED? DO YOU WANT TO GO BLOW BY
QUICK. >> TALK AS QUICK AS I CAN.
0% BUT YOU SELECTION THERE IN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING WHICH ROAD THEY WILL DO. ED AT ANY POINT THERE TIME IF YOU WANT TO STOP STAFF WILL ANSWER THE QUESTIONS.
DRAINAGE STORMWATER, 69% OF THE PROJECT.
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>> THERE'S 74%. PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT YOU'RE AT 43%. [INAUDIBLE] WE'RE AT 74%. WE'VE GOT 1.1 PLUS MILLION LEFT. HOW ARE WE DETERMINING WHERE
WE CAN USE THAT? >> WHILE SHE'S COMING UP THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THEY GO THROUGH THE DATA ON.
AND THAT RAW DATA INITIALLY HERE.
THERE SHOULD BE CARRY OVER MONEY BY THE WAY ON THAT -- SO ON THAT 1.1. THERE SHOULD BE CARRY OVER FROM LAST YEAR ALSO ON IT. WE'RE LOOKING EVEN HEALTHIER ON THAT TO ADDRESS THE NEW ROADS.
I SHOULDN'T CALL THEM NEW ROADS.
REEVALUATED ROADS IN THE RANKING OF THOSE.
THEY WOULD BE IN UPCOMING BOARD MEETING.
>> AND THERE WERE A FEW OTHER SMALLER LOCATIONS THAT THEY WERE LOOKING TO FINISH UP.
I BELIEVE GREENWOOD WAS ONE OF THE SUBDIVISIONS.
I COULD BE INCORRECT. THEY WERE WORKING ON THAT ORIGINAL LIST OF ANY LOCATIONS THAT WERE DOABLE WOULD BE COMPLETED WITH THE FUNDS HOWARD SAID THE PAYMENT ASSESSMENT WILL TAKE US TO THE NEXT STEP OF HOW WE USE THE REMAINING FUNDS AND ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
>> IF MONEY WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE 4.25S INTENDED FOR 21
AND '22. >>WE USED UP ALL OF THE
MONEY -- >> THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE
TALKING ABOUT THE HOLD OVER? >> THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CARRY FORWARD WHICH HAS NOT BEEN REFLECTED.
THAT WILL MOST LIKELY BE WHERE IT YOU NEED MONEY FOR AQUARIUS. REG WILL BRING THAT FORWARD AT FUTURE BOARD MEETING. WHEN WE SAY THERE'S 74% YOU LOOK AT COMMITMENT. THAT'S NOT WORK THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED YET. THAT'S STILL UNDER WAY.
WE'RE GOING THROUGH PROCESS. WE GOT THE PO.
WE'RE WORKING OUR PROCESS WE EXPANDED THAT MONEY.
I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I DON'T WANT THE BOARD TO THINK WE SPENT 74% OF THE WORK CURRENTLY.
WE HAVE 74% OF THE MONEY COMMITTED AT THIS POINT IN
TIME. >> THERE'S MISCELLANEOUS WORK LIKE STRIPING GOING ON. RICHARD HAS BEEN ABLE TO COMPLETE ANYTHING THAT WAS FEASIBLE ON THE LIST SHARE TO DATE ANY ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS THAT THE BOARD APPROVES. AND THE PLAN IS HE WILL HAVE ALMOST TWO FULL QUARTERS, ONCE THE PAVEMENT ASSESSMENT INFORMATION COMES IN TO THEN TAKE THE NEXT STEP.
>> WHAT -- WHEN IS THIS BUDGET OVER?
OCTOBER ONE OR JULY 1? >> 22.8 MILLION.
>> VENDORS, I BELIEVE RICHARD HAS HAS HIS PLAN IS HE IS CLOSE TO HAVING USED ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT HE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH BASED ON THE LISTING AND APPROVALS WE HAD. AND THEN THEY ARE WORKING ON HOWARD SAID THEY ARE WORKING ON THE FIRST -- THE DATE COMING FROM ASSESSMENT THAT WILL THEN LEAD TO THE PLAN, THE FUTURE PLAN THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
>> IS THERE ANY MATERIAL SHORTAGE?
>> I THINK IT'S MORE OF AVAILABILITY ISSUE FROM DOT PERSPECTIVE. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE LIMITED NUMBER OF FOLKS THAT PLACE ASPHALT.
I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY MATERIAL ISSUES AT THIS POINT. BUT AGAIN, THAT WOULD NOT BE SURPRISING AS SOME OF THE PAVEMENT PICKS UP IN THE
>> HI, RICHARD. >> IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE PIGGYBACKING A COUPLE OF CONTRACTORS ARE DOING DOT WORK IN THE AREA. AND SO IF THE DOT CALLS THEM TO DO SOMETHING. THEY HAVE TO DROP THEIR
>> GOOD MORNING. >> WE DO -- SUPER MAN RAN
THROUGH. >> IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I DON'T WANT TO BE CAUGHT FLAT-FOOTED.
RICHARD, ON THE CIP WE HAD 4.25 FOR ROAD RESURFACING.
COMMITMENT ON THE SHEET IS 2.8 MILLION.
TROY REVEALED THAT THE CARRY OVER HASN'T BEEN PUT IN INTO
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THIS HERE. AND ULTIMATELY SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THERE'S SOME OTHER MONIES THAT ARE THERE.NOW WHEN WE GET THIS CARRY OVER ADDED TO THE AMOUNT TALK TO US ABOUT THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IN YOUR PLAN FOR BRINGING THAT TO THE BOARD?
>> THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS BASICALLY A NEW LIST. WE FINISHED I THINK ALL OF THE TOP 50 ACCEPT FOR MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE ROADS.
THE EXCEPTION LIST IS COMPLETED.
WE NEED SOME DIRECTION. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS NEW LIST WILL GIVE US. THAT LIST SHOULD BE ABLE TO SHOW HOWARD HOPE TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS OR SOONER AND THEN PRESENT THAT TO BOARD AROUND MARCH 8TH. AND --
>> THAT WILL BE UNABRINKED LIST.
AQUARIUM CONCOURSE IS ON THAT ORIGINALLY 1.6 MILLION ESTIMATED ON THAT. AGAIN, SO YOU ALL KNOW AND THAT'S THERE. THE TEAM HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB ON THAT APPROVED LIST THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND THOSE -- ONE OF THOSE IS AQUARIUS. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE OTHER THING. MOST LIKELY THERE'S PROBABLY SOME UNDERDRAINAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE OTHER
THREE TOO; CORRECT? >> THAT'S WHY THEY ARE NOT THERE. THEY ARE PROJECTS.
THEY LETTER NOT JUST RESURFACING.
>> ONE OF THEM IS COUNTY ROAD 217.
WHICH REALLY HAS SOME SAFETY CONCERNS.
AND IT MAY BE ONE THAT WE WANT TO TACKLE WITH OUR LEGISLATIVE PARTNERS NEXT YEAR.
IT'S GOING TO BE A NUMBER OF MILLION DOLLARS.
BUT IT REALLY DOES HAVE -- PEOPLE DIE ON IT.
BECAUSE OF THE SIDES GO OFF. IT'S NOT WIDE ENOUGH AND THE SIDES DROP OFF SO MUCH. BUT IT'S A HEAVILY TRAVELED COMMUTING -- COMMUTING ROAD TO JACKSONVILLE.
IT'S AN IMPORTANT CONNECTOR ROAD FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
IT'S ONE OF THOSE FOR AS WELL.
>> WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT ABOUT THAT IN THE NEXT 48
AND ROUTING TRAFFIC TO 217. FROM NORMANDY DOWN TO 218.
DIRECT THEM WHERE THEY CAN'T GO.
WE WILL SEE HOW MUCH OF AN ISSUE THIS BECOMES REAL
SOON. >> THAT WEIGHT RESTRICTED BRIDGE IS REALLY THE 700 POUND GORILLA ON THAT ONE.
WE HAVE TO GET SHOULDER IMPROVEMENTS DONE AS WELL.
RIGHT NOW YOU REALLY THE SCHOOL BUS ABOUT THE BIGGEST VEHICLE YOU CAN HAVE ACROSS IT SAFELY.
AND THE TRUCK THAT GO DOWN. GROWING UP IN STARK BELIEVE ME. THAT BYPASS WAS AN ABSOLUTE GAME CHANGER. I DON'T KNOW HOW FLORIDA D.O.T. DID IT. THEY'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TRUCKS ON THE 75 AND 95 AND PUT THEM ON 301.
IT WASN'T SUCCESSFUL IN GOSH GA AS THEY TRIED TO MOVE 75 OVER TO U.S. 27. IT'S WORKED HERE.
AND IT'S GOING TO COME WITH THE COST.
THE COST WE GOT TO MAKE 217 IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ALTERNATE ROUTE. VERY IMPORTANT.
>> ARE YOU GETTING A LOT OF SURPRISES WITH THE DATA CALLING ON THE DATA DRIVEN THING AS OPPOSED TO WHAT YOU
THOUGHT WOULD HAPPEN? >> OAK LEAF WAS WORSE THAN I THOUGHT. IT'S ON THE SCALE OF 1 TO 100. ONE BEING THE WORST.
OAK LEAF WAS A 15. WE WERE ABLE TO RUN -- THEY DROVE IT ABOUT THE WEEK BEFORE RESURFACING.
IT'S NOW 90 TO 95. >> ALL THE PEOPLE YELLING AT ME KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT.
>> THEY WERE. THAT TOWN HALL MEETING COULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE VIOLENT. THE WORSE I'VE SEEN 7.
ON CUL-DE-SAC. THEY WEREN'T BUILT TO SPECIFICATIONS AND THEN WHEN YOU HAVE THE TURN AROUNDS AT THE GARAGE TRUCKS DO, THEY DON'T HOLD UP VERY WELL AT
ALL. >> I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT, WHEN WE DID SIMILAR THING AT THE RAILROAD.
THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE SAID IT MUST BE WRONG.
WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. HEARING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS LIKE REFRESHING. YOU GOT TO BELIEVE THE DATA.
>> THERESA, MISS GARDNER MENTIONED SOME MATERIAL ISSUES. THE BIGGEST MATERIAL ISSUE
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WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS SAND. BELIEVE IT OR NOT.GROWING UP WITH I GREW UP AND LIVING CLOSE TO WHERE MIS-C ONDIN IS THERE'S A LOT OF SAND.
IT'S NOT ENOUGH. THAT'S WHAT DELAYED THE RESURFACING AND PAVING AT 209 AND SANDRIDGE.
AND THERE'S A SHORTAGE RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT DOESN'T EFFECT OUR RESURFACING.
WE ARE ABLE -- THAT IS PRETTY MUCH JUST TO DEAL WHERE IF WHO CAN KEEP THE SCHEDULE IN FRONT, WE HAVE ATTENTION OF THE CONTRACTOR. THAT'S GOOD.
WITH LANDING AND THE OTHER ROADS YOU DRIVE ON EVERY DAY THAT ARE GETTING WORKED ON AS WELL AS THE EXPRESSWAY.
>> RICHARD, CAN YOU ADDRESS 209 SAND RIDGE, LAST I HEARD FRIDAY WAS 3 TO 5 MARCH PAVEMENT.
THAT ON TRACK OR SLID MORE? >> THAT'S WHAT ON PAVEMENT.
I WENT THROUGH IT THIS WEEKEND.
COUPLE OF MY CONSTITUENTS CALLED ME FRIDAY AFTERNOON IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. IT WASN'T A PLEASANT PHONE CALL. ONE OF THEM WAS THE COUNTY MANAGER. THERE WAS SOME EQUIPMENT BEING MOVED. IT IS TRULY AN ISSUE.
BUT THAT WAS THE SCHEDULE PAVING FOR THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. THAT'S BEEN MOVED TO NEXT WEEK, AGAIN, SUPPLIES DEPENDING.
>>THE SAND IS THE ISSUE. THEY NEED TO RECYCLE MORE GLASS AND STOP USING THE SAND TO MAKE NEW GLASS.
>> WE'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO TROY.
>> PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT. WE'RE AT 43 #%.
EQUIPMENT FOR TRANSPORTATION PUBLIC WORKS, IS AT 30%.
THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD AT FLEMING ISLAND 34%.
COUNTY ROAD 222 TONIGHT BOX AT 63 PERCENT.
FAIR GROUND IMPROVEMENTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN AFTER THE FAIR. THE SHERIFF MADE CIP FOR THE 2.4. THAT'S 100% IF YOU WANT AN UPDATE EXACTLY WHERE THAT IS AT.
>> WE CAN PROVIDE THAT IF INTERESTED.
WE PROVIDE THE FUNDING TO THEM.
THEN THEY BUY THE VEHICLES. PUBLIC WORKS MAINTENANCE BUILDING AT 17%. THE -- THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THAT. THE BUILDING AND THERE'S INFRASTRUCTURE THAT GOES INTO IT.
STATION 20 IS CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN.
WE HAVE ARCHITECT ONBOARD TO START NEW WITH THE DESIGN WORK. COLLEGE DRIVE, RRR, DESIGN COMPLETION DATE OF 2-28. THEN IT WILL BE BID OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION. THE ACCESS ROAD THE ENGINEERING REVIEW AND THE SCOPE, DESIGN IS CONTINUING, ALANIS DRIVE AT 95%. WE HAD TO LOOK AT THE 80% FUNDING. CAN WE PAUSE ON ATLANTIS DRIVE CHERISE AND HER TEAM WENT OUT.
TCO WAS ISSUED OR NOT? NOT YET.
THERE'S STILL WORK ON IT. THE FINAL LAYER TO ATLANTIS.
THE EQUIPMEND IS BEING INSTALLED INSIDE.
THE DRIVEWAYS AND KIND OF THE EMPLOYEE PARKING IS WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW THERE NOW.
DRIVEWAY CONNECTION TO AT LANN ATLANTIS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO BRIEF THE BOARD ON THAT ONE. AAIN THE TEAM WORKED WITH NIAGARA'S TEAM AND SHOWED WE WERE OUT THERE AND MEET OUR COMMITMENT OF WHAT WE SAID WE WOULD DO.
AND PUTTING THAT ROAD IN. >> WE'RE NOT HOLDING THEM --
>> NOT AT ALL. >> THEY WERE GOING TO SHIP FEBRUARY 1ST, I BELIEVE. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY ARE CLOSE ON GOING MARCH 1ST.
THE MACHINERY IN THERE STATE OF THE ART, AS THE CONVEYOR BELTS ON ALL OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY, AS COMMISSIONER TALKED ABOUT FROM THE SAFETY STANDPOINT ANYTHING HAS BEEN OUT THERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND ALL OF THAT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS SAFE OUT THERE.
I WANT TO GIVE A QUICK UPDATE WHILE WE'RE ON THAT
ONE. >> I DON'T -- DO WE HAVE ANY PLANS OF EXTENDING THAT ROAD NOW ANY FURTHER?
>> WE SUBMITTED A PHASE TWO GRANT APPLICATION WITH DEO
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TO DO ANOTHER -- WHAT ANOTHER MILE? IS THAT WHAT WE PLANNED ON RICHARD?>> SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER PROJECT THE PRIVATE PROJECT SUBMITTED.
THAT'S IN REVIEW NOW. WE'RE DOING IT FOR NEW.
IT'S RESIDENTIAL BUT IT'S ANOTHER PROJECT ON THE ROAD.
SO YES. >> DOES THAT HAVE COUNTY MATCH? THAT GRANT?
>> I DON'T REMEMBER. I HAVE TO FIND OUT.
I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT DID OR NOT.
>> I DON'T THINK -- THE COUNTY PUT IN MONEY PREVIOUS TO ME BEING ON THE BOARD. I THINK 1 MILLION DOLLARS USED FOR DESIGN WORK AND THAT KIND OF THING.
I THINK SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY WORK.
THE STATE GRANT WAS JUST A GRANT FROM DEO TO BUILD A ROAD. THERE WAS NO MATCH.
THEY HAD PUT A MILLION DOLLARS INTO IT IF THEY
NEEDED TO HAVE A MATCH. >> YEAH.
>> FOR THE NEW GRANT. >> I HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN THAT. THE BOTTOM LINE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CREATING. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO DEEP INTO THE WOODS HERE WITH THIS PROJECT.
WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CREATE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF JOBS.
OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO PAY BACK THE GRANT AND MULTIUNIT FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS NOT GOING TO GET US THERE TOO IT. I KNOW THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HAS THE PROPERTY CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH IT. THAT TO ME SAYS I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GO FURTHER IN TERMS OF ASKING FOR STATE MONIES WOULD BE TIED TO CREATING JOBS IF WE HAVE TO PAY IT BACK. HE'S NOT WILLING TO GO AHEAD AND LOOK FOR COMMERCIAL. HE WILL PUT RESIDENTIAL THERE. MULTIFAMILY UNIT.
THAT'S A REAL PROBLEM. >> YEAH.
HE WAS ON FACEBOOK THE OTHER DAY BRAGGING ABOUT IT.
THERE'S ANOTHER COMMERCIAL OPERATION THAT HE SAID IS NEITHER UNDER COMMITMENT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE DON'T CREATE ENOUGH JOBS, THIS BOARD IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO PAY BACK.
>> MR. CHAIR, THE NUMBERS JUST OVER 700 JOBS.
AS SOON AS THE ROAD COMPLETES THE TIMER STARTS FOR TEN YEARS. TO GET THAT IN JOBS.
ONE RAY OF SUNSHINE A BIT HERE THAT NIAGARA IS DOUBLING THEIR SIZE ALREADY. THEY HAVEN'T COMPLETED THEY WILL DOUBLE THEIR SIZE. AND I BELIEVE IT'S -- THEY WILL BE UP TO AT LEAST 150 JOBS IN THAT NIAGARA LOCATION WITH DOUBLING IN SIZE.
WE'RE FORTUNATE THERE. BUT WE NEED TO WATCH THAT
NUMBER. >> WE NEED TO GET TO 700.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF CITIZEN CONCERN ABOUT THE WATER USAGE. DOUBLING THEIR SIZE IS I
MEAN -- >> JEREMY SPOKE ON THAT.
HE SAID THAT'S BEEN A LOTTED FOR.
>> THEIR ORIGINAL WAS A LOTTED FOR.
DID THE DOUBLING IN SPOT? WAS THAT A LOTTED FOR?
>> DOESN'T MATTER IF THEM OR ANYONE ELSE.
IF THEY ALLOTTED FOR THAT MUCH WATERED.
>> THEY HAD PLANNED FOR A MAX AMOUNT.
THEY KNEW ABOUT THIS MONTHS AGO ABOUT DOUBLING AND THEY WENT TO CCOA FOR THAT ABOUT THE CUP.
AND -- >> I WANT TO MAKE SURE PUBLICLY WHILE WE'RE ON TV. WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT DOUBLING THEIR SIZE. THAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED. I HAVE A NEIGHBORHOOD OF RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NOT FAR FROM THERE THAT ARE WELLS THAT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR WELLS GOING DRY.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T JUST BRUSH ACROSS WE'RE GOING TO USE DOUBLE
THE WATER. >> JEREMY WILL BE HERE TONIGHT, BY THE WAY. BECAUSE OF OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT UTILITY SURFACE TAX. THAT WILL BE SOMETHING.
I WILL EMPTY HIM A HEADS UP HEN HE COMES IN.
>> IF HE CAN ADDRESS THAT. BE PUBLIC HAS ASKED.
>> WE WERE PUTTING THIS TOGETHER.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP.
THE MAXIMUM THEY WOULD EVER GET TO.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AND MADE SURE IT WAS WITHIN THE PERMIT SIZE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THE REALITY WE'RE SELLING WATER TO GET JOBS.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
LET'S MAKE IT WORTH IT. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO
DO HERE. >> AND WE'RE SELLING WATER
FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION TOO. >> CALIFORNIA HAS TO DRINK
SOMETHING. >> THEY WILL NOT SHIP TO
CALIFORNIA. >> THE NEXT ITEM THE GUN RANGE. WE WERE WAITING ON THE PERFORMANCE BOND. WHEN DID WE SPEND $571 ON?
$571 ON ANYTHING. >> I DON'T KNOW.
I WOULD HAVE TO PULL UP THE EXACT.
I WILL MOVE ON. >> THERE WAS ALSO ON THE GUN
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RANGE THERE WAS A TIME FRAME THAT THEY HAD TO BUILD WITHIN, BASED ON THE ORIGINAL RFP.I KNOW AT THE LAST MEETING WE WERE WAITING ON THE PERMIT TO BE ISSUE BY SAINT JOHN WATER DISTRICT.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE WITHIN --
>> AS SOON AS THE PERMIT IS RECEIVED AND THAT NOTICE TO PROCEED NTP WILL HAPPEN. I THINK IT'S 103 CALENDAR DAYS IF I REMEMBER RIGHT. HE KEEPS US UPDATED ON THAT.
AND MAKE SURE THAT'S GOING FORWARD.
>> THE CLOCK DOES NOT START -- UNTIL THE NOTICE TO
PROCEED. >> THAT'S ISSUED BY --
>> BY US UPON RECEIPT OF THE PERMIT.
WE'LL ISSUE THEM A LETTER. AND LOOKING AT IT THIS WAS LAST WEEK, THERE WAS GOING TO COMPLETE IN JULY TIME FRAME FOR THE GUN RANGE WHEN YOU COUNT OUT THE 103 DAYS.
>> I WANTED TO BE SURE. BECAUSE THERE WAS SO MUCH CONTROVERSY THAT WE'RE -- WE'RE WATCHING CLOSELY. IN FACT WE'RE ALSO AND LISA IS PLANNING I BELIEVE A GROUND-BREAKING; CORRECT?
FOR THAT ONE? >> WE'VE BEEN IN DISCUSSION.
>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. >> THERE HE IS.
>> PERFECT TIMING. >> JULY IS A BUSY MONTH.
IF WE CAN -- IF WE CAN GET THAT ON THE CALENDAR.
>> SAINT JOHN WATER MANAGEMENT PERMIT.
THERE WAS ONE QUESTION FROM JANTSON'S WATER MANAGEMENT ABOUT WGI. SHOULD HAVE ANSWER BACK BY THE END OF THIS WEEK NOW. GET THAT PERMIT.
WE'LL ISSUE THE NOTICE TO PROCEED AND THE DESIGN PART OF COMPLETION PROJECT WILL BE COMPLETE.
103 DAYS FROM NOTICE OF RECEIPT CALENDAR DAYS.
>> WILL CHALLENGE YOU A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE PERMIT BY END OF THE WEEK OF OUR LAST MEETING. THAT'S NOW TWO WEEKS AGO.
AND THEN NOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THIS ANSWER BACK UNTIL ANOTHER BY THE END OF THE WEEK.
IT'S STRETCHING OUT LOTS OF END OF THE WEEKS.
>> OUR PLANNING FACTOR FOR PERMITS WE PUT THIS IN
PROJECT TIME LINE. >> STATE STATUE THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO RESPOND. AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OTHER AVENUES BECAUSE REVIEWER ON THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS FOLLOWS THAT GUIDELINE TO THE TEE.
THERE'S SOME THAT WOULD BE GLAD TO WORK THROUGH SOMETHING AND NOT GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE STACK.
THIS REVIEWER DOESN'T GIVE US THAT ABILITY.
WE HAVE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THEIR SUPERVISOR AND THEIR SUPERVISOR'S SUPERVISOR.
THEY WENT IN, IN JUNE. >> EXCUSE ME.
THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. WE SEEN THEM MOVE HEAVEN EARTH FOR DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PAST.
THE LAST TIME WE HAD RUN-IN WE WERE DOING THE BALL FIELD AT NEPTUNE. WE WERE OVER A LINE PREVIOUS LINE THAT HAD CHANGED BY LESS THAN FIVE FEET.
IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO ASK SOMEBODY IN THAT ORGANIZATION AND MAYBE RIGHT AT THE TOP THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED.
THEN I WHOLEHEARTEDLY WOULD ENDORSE THE BOARD GETTING TOGETHER TO TELL THEM THAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE.
NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL. >> WHAT'S THE MAJOR PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THAT HOLDING THE PROJECT UP?
>> IT'S NOT A MAJOR PROBLEM. IT'S A MATTER OF RECOVERY IN THE POND AND THEY MAKE YOU DO A BUFFER AND THE ONE BUFFER GOES INTO THE RING OF THE SECONDARY POND.
IT'S A RECOVERY AND PERIMETER ISSUE THAT JUST GETS REDRAWN DIFFERENTLY. THIS REVIEWER IS JUST HARPING ON YOU. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ON THEIR DESIGN. DOES IT CHANGE ANYTHING ULTIMATELY. IT'S A WORK OF CALCULATIONS.
WHOLE PLACE IS A BUFFER. >> IT'S ALL JUST AND THEN
THEY OWN THE LAND BEHIND IT. >> I UNDERSTAND.
IT'S NOT -- NOT A WETLAND THING.
IT'S RECOVERY OF THE LARGE POND.
THE MIDDLE POND. >> ONE THAT THE LITTLE
BRIDGE GOES OVER. >> NO, NO, NO.
NOT THE BRIDGE AREA. IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE.
>> IT'S A POND RECOVERY THING.
>> THIS MAY ACTUALLY REPLACE THE FIVE FEET OF PARKING LOT THAT WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH BEFORE.
WHEN I GET PEOPLE EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT ORGANIZATION
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DOESN'T WORK FOR US. >> IT IS.
>> WE'RE A GOVERNMENT. AMONG WHAT A PRIVATE CONCERN WOULD BE GOING THROUGH TRYING TO GET SOMETHING GOING. THEY DO.
THEY MOVE A LOT FASTER FOR THEM.
PUT A 60-FOOT DEEP POND OVER IN MIDDLEBURGH PRETTY QUICK.
>> WHILE I AGREE THAT WE YOU KNOW THEY ARE BEING EXCESSIVE. THIS REVIEWER IS BEING EXC EXCESSIVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS WHERE TV LAND CAN WATCH THEM.
THEY DON'T JUST LISTEN TO US SAY WE WILL GIVE IT ANOTHER
HOWEVER MANY DAYS. >> MY PLANNING JANUARY 11TH TO FEBRUARY 11TH. ONCE I GET TO CERTAIN THRESHOLD WHERE WE ARE NOW I WILL ESCALATE THAT UP THROUGH MY CHAIN. MY PERSONAL AND THE COUNTY MANAGER START MAKING CALLS EXPEDITE THIS SO WE DON'T HAVE PREVIOUS INCIDENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST.
THE STAFF WILL STAY ON TOP OF IT AND KEEP BRINGING IT UP UNTIL IT GETS PUSHED THROUGH.
ONCE WE GIVE THEM THAT WE DON'T EXTEND THAT.
WE ARE OBLIGATED TO THE CONTRACT TIME LINE.
>> AT 4:00 WE HAVE INTERGOVERNMENT AFFAIR TO
TAKE CARE OF IT. >> I HOPE HE'S WATCHING.
>> THANK YOU, ERIC, BY THE WAY.
APPRECIATE. >> MOVING DOWN TO RADIO TOWER UPGRADES STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS BEING PLANNED.
CONSOLIDATION, THE FACILITY ANA ANALYSIS SUNDAY SHOULD BE DONE BY 2022.
ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING, IS IN DESIGN PHASE.
2-20 STATE ROAD DWUN. DESIGN 59% COMPLETE.
INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, NOTICE HERE THAT THEY WILL BE USING 100% OF THE FUNDING FOR MISCELLANEOUS PROJECT.
DESIGN IS CONTINUING. THE SENIOR CENTERS UNDER WAY. COMPLETION IS SLATED TO BE JUNE OF 2022. FAIRGROUNDS MASTER IMPROVEMENT WILL BE AFTER THE CCUA PROJECT IS COMPLETE. STATION 15 SITE SEARCH UNDER WAY AND ARCHITECT UNDER CONTRACT TO START DOING THE DESIGN. AGAIN, STATION 24 IT'S BEEN CONTRACTED INFRASTRUCTURED STUDIES THERE'S NO PROJECT IDENTIFIED. STORMWATER STUDY:WE'RE ADVERTISING THE FULL STORMWATER STUDY THIS MONTH.
THE 100,000 IN CIP WAS TO COVER US WHILE THE FULL STUDY IS BEING DONE IN CASE PUBLIC WORKS ENGINEERING NEEDED A STUDY DONE WHILE WE'RE DOING THE TOTAL COUNTYWIDE STUDY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT STORMWATER STUDY. ON THIS AFTERNOON'S CONSENT AGENDA, WE'RE APPROVING THE ENGINEERING CONTRACTED SERVICES. WHY WOULD WE NOT USE THE CONTRACTED COMPANY TO DO THE STORMWATER STUDY INSTEAD OF THEN GOING OUT FOR ANOTHER ADVERTISEMENT? THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO FALL BACK ON U-5.
WE'RE TALKING HUNDRES OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE PICKING ONE PERSON OUT AND GIVING IT TO THEM. WE'VE GOT INTRASTATEWIDE REGIONWIDE. SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATESWIDE. THIS IS BIG PROJECT.
WE CAN DO THAT. I THINK WE CAN DO THAT.
THAT'S A QUESTION FOR KAREN. IT'S GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT FEE AND NOW AS FAR AS THE SMALLER STUDIES, I'VE GOT A SHED ROAD PROJECT UNDER WAY.
I'VE GOT JOAN EDMONDS AS SOON AS THEY GET APPROVED TONIGHT HOPEFULLY, SANDY HALLOW LOOP WHICH IS PART OF THE AREA TO THE EAST AND SOUTH OF ST. JOHN'S STATE COLLEGE. THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT.
THOSE ARE MORE LIKE HOT SPOT DESIGNS.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THIS AREA BETTER? THE ONE FOR THE COUNTY IS EVERYTHING.
THAT'S KEYSTONE TO OAKLEAF TO ORANGE PARK TO OAK HILL.
>> WE ONLY HAVE 100,000. >> IT'S GOING TO BE -- 100,000 TO GET YOU THROUGH ON THE SMALL PROJECT THAT RICHARD WAS TALKING ABOUT.
IN ARPA. THIS SAYS STORMWATER STUDY
$100,000. >> THIS IS IN CI PI.
YOU HAVE 100,000. THAT'S THE SMALL PROJECT THAT RICHARD IS TALKING ABOUT.
SANDY HALLOW. >> CAN WE CALL THEM DIFFERENT THINGS? THAT'S REALLY CONFUSING?
>> WE CAN FIX THAT. WE CAN CALL IT MINOR STORMWATER STUDIES. WHEN WE GET TO ARPA THERE'S MONEY SET ASIDE FOR STORMWATER STUDY ON THE
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ARPA. 1.3 MILLION SET ASIDE.>> IS IT ONLY 1.3 MILLION OR ONLY 1.33 MILLION IN THIS YEAR OF ARPA. THAT'S MY CONCERN.
I'M NOT TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP.
WHEN YOU SAID THESE ARE ONLY THIS YEAR'S ARPA MONEY.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL IS.
>> THAT WAS MY FAULT. THE INTENT OF THIS WAS TO UPDATE YOU ON CURRENT YEAR SPENDING.
NOT FUTURE YEAR SPENDING WHICH IS WHAT WE DO WHEN THE ENTIRE BUDGET AND CIP. WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD ON GIVE YOU THE FULL CIP. THE FULL ARPA.
THE INTENT OF THIS WAS GIVE YOU SNAPSHOT DOES THIS WORK FOR KEEPING YOU ABREAST OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE
CURRENT YEAR'S ALLEGATION. >> I'M BACK TO ORIGINAL QUESTION. BACK TO MY ORIGINAL IF WE'RE ON THE CIP AND WE'RE LOOKING AT STORMWATER STUDY AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ADVERTISING AND IT'S ONLY 100,000. AND THOSE ARE THE SMALLER PROJECTS WHY ARE WE NOT USING THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE
GOING TO CONTRACT WITH? >> THAT WAS MY FAULT ON THE COMMENTS. TO BE I THOUGHT ONE THING THE SMALL STUDIES WE ARE USING JONES EDMONDS.
THOSE ARE NOT ADVERTISED. THOSE ARE SMALL ENOUGH THAT WE CAN SCOPE THEM IN MY SHOP.
AND GET THE ANSWERS AND HOPEFULLY COME UP WITH CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO LEAD TO ARPA FUNDING FOR NEXT YEAR. IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.
THAT REALLY SHOULD BE ONGOING WITH IN THIS CASE JONES EDMONDS. IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE JONES EDMONDS FROM PROPOSING OR SENDING AN RFQ ON THE BIG COUNTYWIDE OVERALL STORMWATER STUDY.
>> OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATTER.
>> THAT HAS A QUALIFICATION. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.
>> I WAS TRYING TO -- I SEE THE CONFUSION.
BECAUSE IF WE WILL GO CONTRACT WITH OUR COMPANY, AND THEN SEND THINGS OUT FOR RFP, I AGREE ON THE BIG ONE.
>> WE'LL REWORD THIS ONE ON THE SMALL PROJECTS SO IT MAKES -- IT'S CLEAR THAT, THAT'S MINOR INFRASTRUCTURE STUDIES. .
>> WE CALL IT HOT SPOTS. J INDUSTRIAL LOP IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE IN ORANGE PARK AREA. WE NEED TO FIX THAT AND SEE WHAT IT WILL TAKE. THOSE PROJECTS WILL END UP HAVING AN ANSWER. 38 YOU KNOW 380 FEET OF LINEAR, 48-INCH PIPE REPLACEMENT.
THE OVERALL STORMWATER STUDY IS MORE GEARED TO PROTECTING US FROM THE NEXT IRMA. AND THE RATES THAT FEMA APPLIES TO INSURANCE AND -- WHAT YOU CALL IT OUR READINESS FOR THAT TYPE OF EVENT.
>> RESILIENCE. >> YOUR FLOOD RATING, YOUR INSURANCE HOW THEY JUDGE YOUR FLOOD INSURANCE.
>> THAT'S NOT MY EXPERTISE. THAT'S MARIA'S.
WE TALK ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS AND OTHER GRANTS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE MORE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN, THE EASIER IT WILL BE TO GET THE FUNDIN.
I THINK THIS ALL KIND OF PLAYS TOGETHER WHAT WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THANK YOU.
TAKES US DOWN TO PINE RIDGE DRAINAGE.
IT'S 90% OF THE ALLOCATED FUNDS.
THE NEXT, ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE --
>> DID HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL ISSUE WITH PINE RIDGE AREA?
>> >> CONSTRUCTION COMPLETED THE ORIGINAL PROJECT AT THE INTERSECTION AND THEN THE BOARD APPROVED AN ADDITIONAL 150,000 TO GO IN AND LINE THE AREA. THE CONTRACTOR WAS READY BUT WE DECIDED TO WAIT UNTIL SCHOOL IS OUT SPRING BREAK WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE SECOND WEEK OF MARCH.
WE HAVE ADEQUATE FUNDS REMAINING TO LINE THAT ENTIRE INTERSECTION. AS WELL AS GO EAST AND WEST TO THE NEXT STRUCTURES. AND THAT WILL GIVE US
50-YEAR LIFE ON THAT AREA. >> ANY -- WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO, WE WOULD LIKE AT THE OTHER STRUCTURES BUILT AT THE SAME TIME. SEE IF WE HAVE THE SAME
ISSUE. >> THAT WILL BE PART OF WHAT WE USE THE ARPA DOLLARS TO ADDRESS.
RICHARD'S TEAM IS ASSESSING THAT AS WELL AS OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THAT AREA THAT HAVE SIMILAR ISSUES THAT MAY BE NOT AS EXTENSIVE AS THAT INTERSECTION WAS.
THAT WILL BE PART OF THE TWO YEARS THAT WHERE WE GET 33 -- 3 MILLION EACH YEAR. WE WILL START TO ATTACK THAT ISSUE. PADDLE CREEK WE HAVE A SIMILAR ISSUE. IT'S MUCH SMALLER ON SCALE.
>> THE NEXT -- >> IT'S AN ONGOING ANALYSIS.
ONE LIKE YOU TRY TO WEIGH THE TIMING AND THE DOLLAR
AMOUNT. >> TRYING TO REMOVE THE
EMERGENCY FROM REPAIR >> WE'RE DONE WITH THAT,
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THAT PORTION. YES, SIR.>> UNTIL THE NEXT ONE. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING
ABOUT. >> YOUR NEXT FIVE PROJECT ARE YOUR FEMA GRANT PROJECT FOR DRAINAGE DESIGN.
YOU CAN SEE ALL THOSE IN THE 30 TO 50 PERCENT COMPLETION STAGE. YOUR NEXT ONE LAP PROJECT WHICH WILL BE BID IN MAY. THE EXHIBIT HALL REMODEL ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETED IN MARCH.
LIVESTOCK PAVILION WHICH IS IN DESIGN PHASE.
THE DEO'S SPORTS COMPLEX YOU ARE FAMILY WITH, THAT'S YOU
GO BACK TO EXHIBIT HALL. >> IT MAY BE A GOOD PLACE TO DO THAT. CARRY ON, SIR.
>> IT COULD BE USED EVERY DAY.
ALL WEEK ACCEPT ON WEEKENDS WHEN THEY HAVE FUNCTIONS IN THERE. THEY WOULD LOVE IT.
>> THE COACH WOULD BE VERY HAPPY.
>> THE NORTHEAST SPORTS COMPLEX IS UNDER DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION STARTED MARCH OR APRIL.
LAP SIDEWALK FROM 218 PROJECT TO BE BID IN MAY.
INFRASTRUCTURE THERE'S NO SCOPE AT THIS POINT.
STATE ROAD 23 FRONTAGE TRAIL ROAD TRAFFIC STUDY F-DOT IS UNDER WAY. NEPTUNE PARK PHASE TWO IN PROGRESS WITH ENGINEERING ON PAVEMENT AND PERMITTING.
THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE PICKLE BALL COURT.
AND JUSTIN YOU WANT TO TALK TO THAT?
>> COMMISSIONER, MAY HAVE INVOLVED THE PROBLEM.
>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. I SPOKE WITH STEVE LAST WEEK AT CITY OF GREEN COVE. HE HAS GIVEN US THE THUMBS-UP TO UTILIZE CITY OF GREEN COVE PARKS TO INSTALL THE PICKLE BALL COURT. WHICH PARK, AND ONCE WE GET THOSE THUMBS-UP THE MONEY IS THERE.
AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
IT SHOULDN'T TAKE NO LONGER 2-3 MONTHS ONCE WE GET THE
GO AHEAD TO GET THE ROAD IN. >> WHAT'S -- HOW MANY COURTS WILL WE BE ABLE TO DO WITH THAT ONE?
>> WELL, TWO TENNIS COURTS. TWO FULL TENNIS COURT EQUAL 2-6 PICKLE BALL COURTS. THAT WAY WE DON'T TAKE UP TOO MUCH LANDSCAPE. IT'S WHAT YOU EXPECT OUT OF TENNIS COURT. NOW YOU GET 6 TO 8 PICKLE BALL COURTS IN THAT SAME LOCATION.
>> WE'LL BRING THAT TO THE BOARD SO THAT YOU ALL KNOW WHAT DIRECTION WE WENT WITH ON THAT.
>> THE TWO LOCATIONS ARE CURRENTLY AUGUSTA SAVAGE OR FRANCIS PARK. ONCE WE GET THAT DETERMINATION WE WILL MOVE FORWARD.
>> STATION 22, DESIGN SHOULD START WITH CONTRACT WHEN FINALIZED. SIDEWALKS ON OLD PARK ROAD, 218, THE DESIGN IS UNDER. WORKING ON DESIGN ESTIMATES AND DESIGN. I'M ASSUMING THAT HOLDS TRUE FOR THUNDER BOLT ALSO DESIGN UNDERLAY.
1 MILLION SET ASIDE FOR LAND OR ACQUISITIONS WHICH WE HAVEN'T DONE AT THIS POINT. WE MAY DO SOME FOR THE FIRE STATION ONCE WE DECIDE WHERE STATION 15 WILL BE ALLOCATE OR LOCATED. SPACE NEEDS STUDY IS BEING WRAPPED IN WITH THE IMPACT FEE STUDY WHICH WILL BE ON TODAY'S BOARD MEETING. THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
IMPACT FEE STUDY WILL BE TOGETHER.
TRANSIT STUDY, JT SENT US A SCOPE TO START LOOKING AT.
THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT WE WILL ENTER WITH TO DO A 50/50 SPLIT ON DOING A COUNTYWIDE TRANSIT AND ELECTRICAL VEHICLE STUDY. GREENWAY TRAIL FOR THE PROJECT SCOPE OF THE FEE. AND THEN THE BUILDING WE'RE WAITING ON THE SIGNED MOA WITH KEN LANDING.
THAT COMPLETES RUN THROUGH ON THE CIP PROJECT.
>> IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO HELP THEM?
>> WE MET THE TEAM IN JANUARY.
JUST WE MET IN JANUARY WITH THE LEADERSHIP THERE.
JUST AFTER THE HOLIDAYS. AND THEN THEY ARE GOING
THROUGH -- GO AHEAD. >> THERE'S SOME CATCH FROM
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THE MEETING THAT WE CONDUCTED.TAKE IT BACK TO THEM FOR WHITING UP THEIR CHANGE.
WE WILL KEEP THIS UPDATED. RIGHT NOW NO ISSUE.
THEY WANT TO KEEP THIS GO I ALONG.
ANY QUESTIONS ON CIP BEFORE WE MOVE TO ARPA?
>> WE STARTED MOVING ON THE PROJECT.
IT'S GOING TO SLEEP. YOU WILL SEE -- WE HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF THE ARPA PROJECT YET.
THIS IS A ONE-YEAR OF ARPA. THERE'S AS WE TALKED ABOUT BROADBAND EARLIER. THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER MILLION DOLLAR SITTING IN YEAR TWO.
THIS ONE-YEAR SNAPSHOT. BROADBAND PROJECT AS YOU KNOW RFP HAS BEEN AWARDED. WE'VE TRYING TO WORK ON SCHEDULING A MEETING WITH COMCAST TO GO OVER THE CONTRACT AND WHAT'S THAT LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE AREAS LOOK LIKE. STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY WE TALKED ABOUT THE RFP.
AND THEN WE DID SET ASIDE THREE MILLION FOR STORMWATER PROJECT. I ASSUME AS RICHARD STARTS DOING ANALYSIS OF WHERE WE NEED TO DO THE PROJECTS AND DO THE DESIGN THAT WE WILL START USING THAT 3 MILLION.
JAIL IMPROVEMENT THE DESIGN ONGOING.
PURCHASE OF RESCUE UNITS WE STARTED USING HSU MONEY FIRST. WE'RE EXHAUSTING THAT FUNDING STREAM BEFORE WE USE THE MONEY OUT OF ARPA.
HEALTH DEPARTEDMENT RENOVATION.
THE DESIGN IS ONGOING. BRANCH DRAINAGE WE LOOK AT POSSIBLY ALLOCATING FEMA FUNDING FOR THAT.
THERE'S A FEMA GRANT THAT WE'VE NONCOMPETITIVE GRANT.
IT'S LOOKING LIKE THAT MONEY WILL BE SHIFTED OUT FROM THE BRANCH ON TO THE FEMA PROJECT.
>> THAT WILL SAVE US THAT MONEY.
PINE RIDGE PROJECT. THIS IS OTHER 900,000 PENDING THE RFP. WE DID DO THE TRANSFER OF THE MONEY BACK TO THE COUNTY-BASED HEALTH PLAN TO PAY FOR THE INCREASE COST DUE TO COVID.
>> CAN I ASK ABOUT THAT. WHY THAT ISN'T -- I DON'T KNOW WHY. I DOESN'T SAY ACTUALS THERE.
WE DID DO THE TRANSFER. THAT ONE IS 100%.
THAT'S 100% NOW. THERE WILL BE SOME THAT WILL BASICALLY BE -- IT MAY NEED TO SHIFT OUT INTO THE LATER YEARS OF ARPA. IT WILL COME FROM I WILL COME OUT OF THE BLACK CREEK RESTORATION PROJECT THAT THERE ARE PROJECT THAT HAVE TO BE DONE DOWN THE LINE.
MOSTLY CLEAN OUT SOME WILL BE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY. THERE HAS TO BE TREE REMOVAL. THE TREES HAVE GROWN THAT ARE LIKE BIG TREES. IT'S SAFETY RISK FOR PEOPLE NAVIGATING THE WATERWAY. THEY LEAVE THEM FOR HABITAT FOR FISH BUT THEY WILL TAKE THEM DOWN.
THOSE THINGS ARE FROM -- BETWEEN PARTNERSHIP.
THERE ALSO IS A PART OF THAT WILL HAVE TO BE PARTNERED WITH DOT. BECAUSE THERE IS A CULVERT UNDERNEATH STATE ROAD 100 THAT MAY HAVE TO BE SHORED UP AND LIKE WAY OUT. LIKE FOUR OR FIVE OR SIX YEARS FROM NOW. AND SO ALL THAT IS BEING PLANNED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AS THE HEAD OF THOSE PROJECTS AND SO THEY WERE DOING SOME SURVEY WORK. EPA HELD UP THAT PERMIT.
THAT PERMIT WAS ISSUED. I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST WEEK.
THAT HAS DELAY. THEY ARE LOOKING AT GROUND BREAKING IN AUGUST VERSES JUNE OF '22.
THEY MAY NEED TO PUSH OUT. IT'S UNLIKELY THAT WOULD BE SPENT IN THIS FISCAL YEAR IF THEY DON'T START THAT
PROJECT UNTIL AUGUST. >> THEY WILL PUSH IT OUT TO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO. NEXT ITEM ARE THE CLERK'S OFFICE. I KNOW WE'RE WORKING WITH
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THE CLERK ON GETTING QUOTES TO DO THESE ITEMS. CYBERSECURITY ANNOUNCEMENT. WE LOOK AT WORKING WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL TO DO A SECURITY ENHANCEMENT.AND CYBERBASICALLY A CYBERPLAN FOR THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL IN THE SAME APPROACH FROM A CYBERSECURITY STANDPOINT.
WE GOT THE IF QUOTE K BAR. WE WILL WORK ON THOSE AND HAVE THOSE MRIMENTED BEFORE. RFP IS WRITTEN FOR THAT.
PARK IMPROVEMENT REPAIRS JUSTIN HAS BEEN WORKING ON GETTING QUOTES. ADMINISTRATIVE EXPENSES ARE GONE WE GOING. WE'VE CONTRACTED AND THEN WE HOLD ON THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS UNTIL WE GET THE NONPROFIT APPLICATIONS PROCESSED OR FIGURE OUT THAT PROCESS. THAT'S ARPA.
>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A QUESTION OR A QUESTION OR THOUGHT PROCESS.
FOR MOVING MONIES OUT OF THE BRANCH DRAINAGE.
I SEE THE MONEY STAY IN DRAINAGE.
I GUESS IT WOULD BE A BUDGETARY CONSIDERATION.
I WOULD HELP US STRETCH OUR PAYABLE RESURFACING BUDGET IF WE COULD USE DRAINAGE ON -- TO REPAIR IT UNDER THE ROAD AND THEN BE ABLE TO REPAIR THAT ROAD WITH RESURFACING AND THEN BE ABLE TO CARRY THE RESURFACING FURTHER. THERE'S MORE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THE STUFF UNDERGROUND.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU TALK ABOUT WHEN YOU REALLOCATE DUE TO FEMA FUNDING. IF THERE'S MONEY I WOULD LIKE TO IS SEE IN IT IN DRAINAGE SOMEWHERE.
>> BASICALLY THAT ENTIRE PROJECT FROM THE STATE FOR THE FEMA FUNDING THEY'VE RECEIVED.
THAT ENTIRE PROJECT COULD BE ELIMINATED AND PAID FOR OUT OF GRANT WE WOULD GET FROM THE STATE.
IF THAT'S THE CASE WE WOULD COME TO BOARD TO REALLOCATE THAT MONEY TO WHATEVER THE PROJECT SO DESIRED.
YOUR SUGGESTION. THERESA WILL SAY SHE CAN USE
IT. >> ACTUALLY WITH REGARD TO INDIGO BRANCH GRANT. WE HAD RECENT CORRESPONDENCE THAT MEGAN HAS BEEN COORDINATING WITH US AND WGI WHO PROVIDES OUR SUPPORT. AND AS I'VE GOTTEN UP TO SPEED ON IT. WHILE THE GRANT IS REALLY GOING TO HELP US ALONG THAT K CORRIDOR WE COULD USE 3 MILLION ALLOCATED.
THE LAWRENCE ROAD POND NEEDS ATTENTION WHEN WE'RE ULTIMATELY FINISHED. IT'S ALL PART OF THE DRAINAGE WATERSHED. THE GRANT FOR 3 #.7 THEN 3 MILLION IN ARPA. WHY WE MAY NOT NEED 5.7.
WE COULD NEED MILLIONS. BUT DEFINITELY ONE OF MY GOALS THIS YEAR WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS IS TO BRING SOME DATA IN TERMS OF WHAT SORT OF DRAINAGE ISSUES WE HAVE IN TERMS OF WORK ORDERED THAT AREN'T ADDRESSED. SO WE CAN SEE.
I AGREE WITH YOU AS I LOOK AT WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE WHAT RICHARD SEES THAT WE WILL EASILY SPEND THE SIX MILLION ALLOCATED TODAY FOR
ARPA TO DRAINAGE ISSUES. >> AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE NEW SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR DRAINAGE.
WE HAVE MORE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS THAN WE HAVE FOX HEAD AT THIS TIME. WE LOOKED AT THAT STORMWATER RUN OFF PROJECT. THE FEE.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT SITS AND WHY WE ARE WAITING ON IT. I GUESS WE'RE WAITING FOR OUR MASTER STUDY OR SOMETHING.
>> IT'S GENERALLY SPEAKING YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR STUDY DONE. BECAUSE YOUR STUDY LIKE YOU DO IMPACT FEE STUDY WILL TELL YOU WHAT ROADS YOU NEED TO BUILD IF YOU DO STORMWATER STUDY IT WILL TELL YOU WHAT STORMWATER PROJECTS YOU NEED TO DO AND GENERATE YOUR WISH LIST OF REQUIREMENT YOUR NECESSITY AND WISH LIST. YOU NEED 80 MILLION IN STORMWATER PROJECTS DONE. THEN THAT FEEDS INTO YOU FIGURING OUT WHAT YOUR FEE WILL BE.
>> THAT'S WHY YOU DO IF STUDY LIKE WE DO THE SPACE NEEDS TO DETERMINE WHAT YOUR IMPACT FEE MAY OR MAY NOT BE FOR PARKS AND FIRE STATIONS AND OTHER STUFF.
>> IF OTHER PART OF THAT WITH ROAD TAKEN FROM
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DEVELOPERINGS IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN INCLUDE ADRAINAGE PIECE TO THAT? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK
AND AMOUNT THE PROCEDURE. >> WELL, EVERY ONE OF THE ROADS HAS DRAINAGE PIPES UNDER IT; RIGHT? THAT WE ARE TAKING FROM THE SUBDIVISIONS?
>> THERE'S A PROJECTION TO RESURFACE IT IN 20 YEARS.
THE ANSWER IS NOT ABSOLUTE. THEY ALL HAVE DRAINAGE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. IN SOME FORM.
>> AND I'M THINKING MAYBE IT WOULD BEHOOVE US TO MAKE THAT NEXT STEP AND TAKE THE LOOK AT GETTING SOME DRAINAGE MONEY COMING FROM THOSE SAME -- THAT SAME APPLICATION. AS THE WAY IT STANDS NOW.
IF THE PIPE GOES UNDERNEATH UP WITH OF THOSE SUBDIVISION ROADS THEY ARE PAYING FOR THE ASPHALT TO BE MAYBE TRAINED. WHAT HAPPENS.
WE HAVE TO DIG THE ROAD UP LIKELY.
TAKE THE PIPE OUT AND FIX IT AND OUR EXPENSE AND REPAVE
THE ROAD. >> THAT WOULD BE SHORT
ANSWER IS YES, SIR. >> OCCURRED TO ME WHY DIDN'T WE INCLUDE THE DRAINAGE INITIALLY?
>> THAT COULD BE PART OF THE STORMWATER STUDY.
HOW DO WE -- WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS, WHAT ARE THE STORMWATER NEEDS. NOT ONLY NEW NEEDS BUT MAINTENANCE NEEDS? WE CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE
STORMWATER STUDY. >> AND THEN LOOK AT THAT AS FUNDING MSBU MODIFICATION. THERE'S A LOT OF PIPELINE HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT OR MAINTAIN IT LONG TERM. WE WILL END UPHOLDING THE
BAG ON IT. >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IF YOU START SAYING I WILL HAVE MSBU FEE AND STORMWATER FEE ON TOP OF IT THAT YOU ARE NOT DOUBLE DIPPING FOR THE SAME THING. THE PERSON DOING THE STUDY.
IF YOU PUT THE STUDY OUT PROPERLY, YOU KNOW, AND BETWEEN THAT ONE AND THE RECOMMENDATION AS YOU SEE FOR YOUR IMPACT FEE STUDY. I THINK YOU WILL SEE YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FIRM THAT HAS THAT KIND OF
BACKING ALSO. >> STUDIES I'M FAMILIAR WITH KNOT ONLY IDENTIFY REQUIREMENT BUT LEGAL WAY AND THE RECOMMENDED WAY TO FUND THOSE CONSTRUCTIONS AND
MAINTENANCE. >> WE'LL MAKE SURE BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE WORK ON WE WRITE THE FLEXIBILITY
TO HAVE THOSE COVERED. >> I GUESS WE'RE TO THE END.
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS? >> IF YOU DON'T MIND.
WE WOULD LIKE DIRECTION ON THREE ITEMS IF POSSIBLE ON THE CIP. THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE PRETTY BACK THE CIP WE ALLOCATE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE FIRE STATION YOU HAVE PLANNED TO GO AHEAD AND DO ALL THE DESIGN WORK IN THIS YEAR'S CIP. SOME OF THEM ARE IN YEAR THREE OR FOUR. WE WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET ALL THOSE FIRE STATIONS THAT ARE IN YEAR THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE DESIGNED THIS YEAR.
SO WE HAVE THEM ON THE SHELF READY TO GO IF INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY COMES. THAT'S A PRO FOR US.
SECOND THING WOULD BE LOOK AT MOVING YOUR WAREHOUSE DESIGN, YOU HAD WAREHOUSE DESIGN AND CIP.
THIS ISN'T ON THE SHEET. IN YEAR THREE AND FOUR OF THE BUDGET YOU HAD WASH HOUSE.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE DESIGN OF THE WAREHOUSE UP TO THIS CURRENT YEAR. JUST WE ARE WORKING ON THAT SAME SITE. WHETHER WE HAVE THE BUILDING GOING IF WE GET A GOOD DESIGN FOR THE WAREHOUSE.
AND THEN THE THIRD ASK WOULD BE ALLOW US TO BRING BACK MOVING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT MONEY THAT'S IN A SEPARATE FUND FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INTO THE DESIGN PHASE TO START DESIGNING THAT BUILDING ON
THE SAME PROPERTY. >> THIS THE BEFORE WE HAVE THE STUDY FOR THE SPACE NEEDS; RIGHT?
>> THIS WOULD BE BEFORE WE HAVE THE STUDY FOR THE SPACE NEEDS. WE KNOW WHAT THE WAREHOUSE SIZE IS. WE'RE PRETTY COMFORTABLE KNOWING WHAT SIZE. AT LEAST SO WE KNOW WHAT THE FOOTPRINT WILL LOOK LIKE SO WE CAN SITE PLAN.
>> CAN YOU GO SLOWER. MY BRAIN CAN'T PROCESS THAT
THE FIRST MOVE ALL THE DESIGN MONEY FOR THE FIRE STATION DESIGNS THAT ARE FIVE YEAR CIP TO THIS YEAR SO WE HAVE ALL THE DESIGNS DONE.
AND COMPLETED. THERE ARE 300,000.
I DON'T HAVE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.
WE CAN BRING IT BACK. THIS JUST MAKING SURE YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH US BRINGING AS AN ACTION ITEM.
THE DESIGN FOR FIRE STATION IS -- I'M
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LOOKING -- BOUNCING TO KAREN OR DAVID.>> 300,000 PER FIRE STATION. I THINK YOU HAVE THREE OF THE FIVE OF THE CURRENT CIP FOR THIS YEAR.
WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THE OTHER ONE INTO THIS YEAR'S
CIP BUDGET IF POSSIBLE. >> COULD THEY REUSE PLANS?
>> GENE IS SHAKING HIS HEAD NO.
>> WE USED TO BUILD SCHOOLS THAT WAY.
WE WOULD TURN FLIP IT AROUND WHEN WE HAVE ANOTHER SCHOOL.
USING THE SAME PLAN. >> EACH ONE HAS DIFFERENT NEEDS. DIFFERENT EQUIPMENT WILL BE HOUSED THERE AS WELL FOR WHEN WE TRACK.
INSTEAD OF COOKIE CUTTER APPROACH --
>> HOW ABOUT THE STANDARD FIRE STATION?
>> WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WITH THE ARCHITECTS.
>> IT SEEMS TO ME -- IF YOU HAVE THE BASIC STUFF THERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE DOING. BASICALLY GOING TO BE EITHER SINGLE STORY OR TWO STORY. E
>> THEY ARE THE SAME LAYOUT. I HOPE THERE'S SOME SAVING ONCE WE GET ORIGINAL PLANS DONE.
>> I WOULD IMAGINE SAVING IF YOU SPEND 300,000 ON THE FIRE STATION. LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT IT
WILL BE FOR ONE GOOD DESIGN. >> WHAT HE WANTS TO DO UNDERSTOOD ORDER FOR US. FOR ONE FIRE STATION SET IN ONE YEAR. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EXPENDED IN THAT YEAR. HE WANTED TO GET THE DESIGN DONE FOR ALL OF STATIONS AND PUT AMOUNT OF MONEY SO WE CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN NOW. WE ARE GIVING OUR BEST GUEST ON WHAT THAT DESIGN FEE WILL BE.
>> I DON'T WANT TO SEE ONE DESIGN.
>> YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ONE DESIGN.
DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE PROMPT.
>> WHY NOT ONE DESIGN FOR FIVE DIFFERENT STATIONS?
>> BECAUSE SOME OF PROPERTY THAT WE HAVE WILL END UP BEING TWO STORY STATION. GREEN COVE WILL BE TWO STORY. IF WE HAVE SINGLE STORY STATION WE WILL DO THAT. AND IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE. THAT'S ALLOCATED FOR ONE FIRE STATION. WE COULDN'T USE IT FOR ANOTHER FIRE STATION. IT'S ALLOCATED FOR SPECIFIC
FIRE STATION NEAR CIP. >> THE IDEA WOULD BE TAKEN WE HAVE LIKE 5.5 FOR EACH STATION.
WE WOULD BE TAKING THAT MONEY FROM THAT TO BE ABLE TO DO THE DESIGN NOW VERSES HAVING ALL BUDGETED IN THAT YEAR. THAT'S ALL WE'RE TRYING TO
SENSE. >> IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THE DESIGN WORK. I'M NOT ONBOARD WITH 300,000 PER FIRE STATION. FOR FIVE FIRE STATIONS.
THAT'S 1.5 MILLION GOING TO SOME ARCHITECT WHEN WE NEED TWO DESIGNS. THEY MAY NOT HAVE TO.
WHEN IT GETS DOWN YOU ONLY HAVE TWO PLANS, THEN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE SO SPEND THAT.
>> THEY SPEND IT. I THINK IF I CAN WEIGH IN ON THIS. WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE'LL HAVE -- IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD, WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A TWO-STORY ONE STORY.
IF YOU CAN JUST GIVE US AUTHORIZATION ON THAT FOR THIS YEAR. THE PROBLEM I THINK AND ERIC IS AREA AND SO RICHARD FROM ENGINEERING STANDPOINT.
NOT JUST THE LAYOUT. BUT MAYBE ON THAT SITE SPECIFIC YOU KNOW DEPENDING UPON THE ACREAGE.
THE WET LANDS AND ALSO FINALLY WHAT EQUIPMENT THAT DAVID WILL HAVE IN THERE LIKE YOU KNOW IF IT -- WE ONLY HAVE ENOUGH EQUIPMENT FOR ONE HAZ-MAT.
A TEAM FOR THAT, IS THAT WHERE THE HAZ-MAT IS GOING TO BE STORED. WE'LL COME UP WITH STANDARD FOR SINGLE STORY. TWO STORY.
AND THEN IF WE HAD TO ADD ON A PARTICULAR REQUIREMENT FOR A BAY OR SOMETHING FOR THE HAZMAT.
WE WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDED ON TO THAT.
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THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO. WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD AND BRIEF YOU ON THAT. ON THE TWO DIFFERENT PLANSIF THAT PLEASES THE BOARD. >> WE HAVE A DESIGN WORK ALREADY PAID FOR IN THE CIP; RIGHT?
IT'S ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED. >> MY PART OF THIS TRYING TO EITHER MOVE FOR EACH OF THE FIRE STATIONS MONEY INTO A LIKE ITEM FOR EACH FIRE STATION.
OR CREATE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM IN CIP.
RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE TO YOUR POINT, MA'AM, IF I GO TO THIS SHEET AND GO TO LET'S SEE FIRE STATION.
FIND THE FIRST FIRE STATION. FIRE STATION 3.3 MILLION ALLOCATED TO STATION 20. I CAN'T USE THAT MONEY TO DESIGN STATION 15, DESIGN STATION 22 AND 14.
DESIGN ANY OTHER FIRE STATION BECAUSE THE MONEY ALLOCATED IN YOUR BUDGET FOR STATION 20.
>> TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WE HAVE STATION 20 BUILDINGS. AND THAT SAY CURRENTLY IN DESIGN PHASE. AND THEN WE HAVE STATION 20 INFRASTRUCTURE THE ARCHITECT HAS BEEN CONTRACTED TO START DESIGN. AND THEN WE HAVE STATION 24 WE'RE LOOKING FOR A CONTRACT -- ARCHITECTURE HAS BEEN CONTRACTED AND THEN OBVIOUSLY STATION 15 WE KNOW WE HAVE TO PICK A NEW SITE. ARCHITECTURE UNDER CONTRACT.
WE CAN'T EVEN DESIGN THAT ONE.
BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T PICKED A SITE.
>> CORRECT. BUT RIGHT NOW THE WAY THE BUDGET SET UP. LET'S TAKE STATION 24.
YOU HAVE 24,000 SET ASIDE. IF WE DECIDED TODAY THAT'S THE BEST STATION THEY'VEED COULD MOVE ON AS FAST AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE EVERYTHING WORKS OUT.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN LINE ITEM TO DO THE DESIGN WORK FOR STATION 24. BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY 40,000 THERE. WE HAVE $50,000 THAT SAID DESIGNED SHOULD IS START WITH DASHER HEARSE.
I GUESS I FEEL LIKE I DON'T HAVE ANY ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU
MY DIRECTION FOR THIS. >> WE WILL PUT TOGETHER A PACKAGE AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION.
>> THE OTHER TWO ITEMS KIND OF TAYLOR INTO THAT.
WHICH IS YOU HAVE THE DESIGN THE SITE AT SLEEPY HOLLOW WHERE YOU PUT THE ANIMAL SERVICES BUILD.
THE IDEA OF THE SILENT TO HAVE MULTIPLE BUILDINGS ON THAT SITE AND TURN IT INTO MORE OF COMPLEX.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE ACREAGE THERE THAN THE ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING. WE LOOKED AT PUTTING POTENTIALLY PUTTING THE COUNTY WAREHOUSE OUT THERE.
SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. COUNTY, EVERYBODY IN ONE LARGE WAREHOUSE. AND THEN ALSO YOUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AS YOU -- WE BRIEFED AT THE PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING HAS MONEY THAT HAS TO BE USED ON A NEW BUILDING. STATUTORILY IT'S GIVE THE MONEY BACK OR USE IT TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUILDING. THERESA'S TOOM LOOKED AT THAT. THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S A GOOD SIDE. IF THE BOARD SPORTS THAT.
WE WOULD LOVE TO MOVE MONEY FROM THE BUILDING FUND INTO CIP TO USE FOR THE DESIGN OF THAT BUILDING.
IN ADDITION WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE DESIGN MONEY SO WE CAN DESIGN THE WAREHOUSE NOW EVEN WHEN WE CONSTRUCT THREE YEARS FROM NOW. THAT WILL GET YOU ALL THREE BUILDING WITH THE PARKING REQUIREMENT, ROAD REQUIREMENTS, EVERYTHING ON THAT SITE SO YOU HAVE COMPLETELY LAID OUT SITE BY THE TRIAL THE ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING STARTS BEING BUILT.
>> WHEN IS THE FACILITY STUDY?
>> WHEN IS THE FACILITY STUDY SUPPOSED TO BE
WE HAVEN'T AWARDED THAT. >> I CAN'T SUPPORT MORE BUILDING. YOU ARE THE GUY WHO TOLD US THE HARDEN CENTER WAS GOING TO BE ADEQUATE WHEN WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING. WE NEED A PLAN BEFORE WE GO AHEAD AND START BUILDING ALL KIND OF STUFF EVERYWHERE.
THAT'S WHERE I COME FROM. >> LET'S GET THAT FACILITY STUDY FINISHED. AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK TO ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO BUILD.
THAT'S WHERE I AM COMING FROM.
>> ESPECIALLY GIVEN IS THAT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR WAREHOUSE WHEN YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLEX AT THE 215 LOCATION WHERE THE GUN RANGE IS GOING. IT'S -- THOSE ARE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. VERY DIFFERENT
INFRASTRUCTURES. >> I WILL DEFER TO THE STAFF ON THE WAREHOUSE. THERE'S NO WATER IN THE FACILITY. THERE'S NO AT 215.
THE WAREHOUSE SEEMS TO BE A NEED THE COUNTY NEEDED IN
THE NEXT 2-3 YEARS. >> THERE'S WATER WITH WELLS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HUGE WATER NEED.
I MEAN WE FUNCTION. >> I UNDERSTAND.
>> YOU KNOW THAT. >> YES, MA'AM.
>> BUT TONGUE-AND-CHEEK. BUT I'M BEING SERIOUS.
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I AGREE KIND OF IN THE GAIN OF STUDY WE DON'T REALLY KNOW -- THERE'S NOT AN OVERALL PLAN.>> DRIVE A STAKE IN THE GROUND.
SHOW US WHERE EVERYTHING GOES.
AND LET'S LOCK IT UP FOR TEN YEARS.
AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WILL DO.
THIS STUFF WE'RE BUILDING HERE AND THERE.
THE STUDY WILL NOT TELL YOU WHERE TO PUT IT.
THE SPACE STUDY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS YOUR NEED FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS. IT'S NOT GOING TO SAY BUILD A FOUR-STORY BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUILDING THAT LOCATION. I WANT TO LEVEL THE EXPECTATION. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS STUDY WILL COME BACK WITH. I THINK TRYING TO PROTECT WHERE YOU WILL BUILD BUILDING 20 YEARS FROM NOW
IS HARD TO DO. >> FOR COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY MAYBE IT'S NOT THE SPACE STUDY.
MAYBE IT'S A STAFF PLAN TO COME BACK AND SAY HERE'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER.
OF WHAT THE FUTURE USE IS OF THESE TWO PROPERTIES THAT THE COUNTY OWNS. BECAUSE THEN THERE'S ALSO BEEN CONVERSATION ABOUT ABOUT THE LARGER COUNTY SERVICES CENTER IN THE ALL THE SPACE NAMED ROAD NEAR THE OAK LEAF AREA. THERE'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
BECAUSE THERE'S NO COUNTY SERVICES AVAILABLE IN THAT AREA. WHAT I WOULD LIKE MORE IS THAT OVERALL PLAN OF THIS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DESIGNED AT THESE PLACES BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO AVOID WHAT WE RAN INTO WITH THE COLOCATED 911 CENTER WHERE WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING AND THEN WE FOUND OUT LATER IT WON'T MEET THE NEED FOR HARDENING.
THAT WILL NOT BE A HUGE ISSUE.
I CAN'T DO THAT, AGAIN. >> WE'VE HAD THIS KIND OF CONVERSATION BEFORE. ABOUT DOING THE STUDY.
IF -- IT'S BEEN TWO MONTHS SINCE I BROUGHT IT UP.
WE GOT RFP AWARDED AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.
THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT ONE; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YOU WILL NOT FIND -- I DON'T THINK YOU WILL FIND A COMPANY WHO WILL TELL YOU EXACTLY WHERE THE PUT EVERY
SINGLE BUILDING. >> WE NEED ONE WAREHOUSE.
WHERE IS THE MOST LOGICAL PLACE TO PUT IT.
YOU GOT TO PUT IT WHERE THERE'S ROADS.
SO YOU CAN GET YOUR EQUIPMENT INND AND OUT AND CENTRALLY LOCATE IT. HOW MANY PLACES ARE THERE THAT WILL DO THAT? IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
>> BUSINESSES DO THIS ALL THE TIME.
>> THE SITE SELECTORS THAT WE WORK WITH TO LOCATE BUSINESSES HERE. THAT'S WHAT THEY LOOK AT.
THERE'S PEOPLE THAT DO THAT. >> I'M NOT BEATING YOU UP.
>> I'M FINE. >> AS A COUNTY WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING WITH A BOW ON IT AND SAY THIS SOUR PLAN
TODAY. >> I THINK WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR LET US DO THE SPACE STUDY.
WITH THE IMPACT FEE STUDY. WE'LL TAKE WHAT COMINGS OUT OF THAT, AND DECIDE WHERE WORKING WITH FACILITIES --
>> THEY WILL BE LOCATED ON COUNTY PROPERTY WHERE THEY OWN OR IF WE DON'T OWN PROPERTY THEN THAT'S WHEN WE START GOING AND LOOKING FOR PROPERTY.
IE STATION 15. YOU DON'T HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR IT NOW. YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO BUILD A FIRE STATION. WE WILL TAKE THAT.
AND WE WILL TAKE THAT AS AN ACTION ITEM.
ONCE YOU MAKE THIS SELECTION ON OUR STUDY, IF THE NEXT BOARD MEETING WE WILL SIT WITH THEM AND SEE HOW FAR WE CAN PUSH THE ENVELOPE WITH THEM AND GO FROM THERE.
>> IT'S WORTH PAYING A FEW BUCKS TO HAVE A GOOD PLAN.
>> IN THE END OF THE DAY WE WILL SAFE A LOT OF MONEY BY
DOING IT. >> ALL ABOUT THE PLAN.
>> DO WE HAVE A DEADLINE ON THE BUILDING FUNDS?
>> YOU HAVE -- YOU DON'T WANT TO SEND ANYTHING BACK.
YOU'RE A 1 1/2 INTO YOUR FOUR YEARS.
WE LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY ON YEAR ONE.
WHATEVER MONEY WE COLLECTED AND PUT INTO THE CIP.
INTO THAT CAPITAL ACCOUNT ON YEAR ONE WILL HAVE TO BE
SPENT WITHIN THE 40 YEARS. >> YOU DO HAVE A TIME LINE ON IT. OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS NOT SO MUCH THAT WE I KNOW WE HAT 40 ACRES BEHIND THE PARK
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AND RIDE. THAT PROVIDES US FOR SOME UTILIZATION OF PREVIOUS SPACE THERE.IS THAT REALLY WHERE WE WANT TO SIGN THE BUILDING? IN THE SENSE THAT THIS IS -- THIS TURN OF HEADQUARTERS. AND MY FEELING SHOULD BE CLOSE TO WHERE THE CENTRAL LOCATION IS.
AND I COULD BE WRONG. CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF WAREHOUSE THEY'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT BEFORE WE HAVE THREE BUILDINGS. IN FLEMING ISLAND.
THE ONLY REASON ABOUT THE THIRD BUILDING WE THOUGHT IT WOULD WORK AND PART OF THE DEAL.
PART OF THE -- WE THREW IT IN BECAUSE HE WANTED TO GET RID OF THE BUILDINGS. WE GOT A DEAL ON THAT.
WE'LL DEFINITELY UTILIZE IT. AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WE STILL I DON'T THINK CATEGORIZED OR TAKEN INVENTORY OF WHERE WE OWN AND WHETHER WE WANT TO GET RID OF IT OR NOT. THAT ALSO HAS TO BE A FACTOR. SHERIFF TOLD ME SHE GOT 16 BILLION SHE'S TAKEN CARE OF. DOES ANYONE KNOW?
>> I THINK I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU IF YOU WILL IDENTIFY THE FACT THAT YOU NEED 69 MONEY TO DESIGN STATIONS. WHY CAN'T WE TAKE THE MONEY THAT ARE ALREADY IN CIP. THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
DO LIKE WE DID WITH THE LAND ACQUISITION.
CREATE A LINE FOR FIRE STATION DESIGN.
SO IT'S NOT TIED TO SPECIFIC FIRE STATION.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM. >> THAT'S THE NUMBER
AFTER YOU GET YOUR FIRST TWO, SORT OF PROTOTYPES, WE SHOULD BE SPENDING 300,000 ON EACH UNIT AFTER THAT.
>> UNLESS THERE'S REALLY THAT DIFFERENT -- DIFFERENCES WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IN
TERMS OF SITED. >> I WILL DEFER TO THE
ENGINEERS IN THE ROOM. >> MAYBE WE NEED MORE ENGINEERS AND BRING IN-HOUSE IF DESIGN WORK ON COUNTY NEED AND SERVICES ARE THIS PRICE POINT WE CAN HIRE -- I'M SAYING THAT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER TO BRING BACK TO US.
NOT TRYING TO SPRING THAT ON ANYBODY.
WE ARE SPENDING FORTUNE ON ENGINEERING, SERVICES, THAT IF YOU ADD IT ALL UP AND I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT BUCKETS. I'VE LOST TRACK HOW MANY ENGINEERING FIRMS WE ARE CONTRACTING WITH.
WE HAVE ARCHITECTS, NORMALLY I WOULD NOT BE ONE TO BRING TO SAY BRING IT IN, IN HOUSE VERSES I THINK THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS BETTER THAN GOVERNMENT. BUT WITH TAX PAYER MONEY.
WHAT'S NUMBER 3? >> IT'S ALL THREE NOW.
>> THANK YOU. CAN YOU BRING ANYTHING ELSE
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LET'S OPEN IT UP. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU
>> WE'RE DOWN TO THAT. >> OBVIOUSLY NOT BEAT IT TO DEATH. IF I COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK STAFF AGAIN AND PLANNING SO MUCH EXTRA WORK ON TOP OF WHAT THEY DO. ERIC, THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE YOU SITTING THROUGH ALL OF THESE ALL THE TIME AND ME GETTING UP-SETH WITH SAINT JOHN WATER MANAGEMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU.
EVERY TIME WE NEED THEM THEY TURN THEIR BACKS ON US.
I'M NOT A HAPPY CAMPER WITH THAT SPECIFIC.
NEXT TIME THE GOVERNOR SPENDS TIME AT THE FAIR.
THAT'S A TOPIC I SLIDE INTO THE CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU TO COURTNEY AND HER LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
EVERY ORDINANCE THAT WE ASKED THEM TO WRITE THEIR EYES GOT BIGGER. IN ALL SERIOUSNESS IF WE NEED TO BOLSTER THAT COUNTY MANAGER, I WOULD WORK WITH COURTNEY AND SEE IF WE NEED TO BRING IN SOME ADDITIONAL HELP WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND THANK YOU TO YOU TOO. FOR YOUR HELP.
THANK YOU, CHAIR FOR CONDUCTING THE PROCESS.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE GETTING PRETTY GOOD INFORMATION ON
THIS. >> I THINK WE'RE SMOKING ALONG PRETTY GOOD HERE. I KNOW WE'VE GOT STAFF STRETCHED TO THE MAX. BUT THAT'S WHERE THEY -- THAT'S WHERE I WANT THEM.
BLAME IT ON ME IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY.
WE NEED TO GET SOME OF THIS RESOLVED.
I COULDN'T STRESS MORE THAN WE NEED.
EVERY TIME WE TURN AROUND WE'RE LOOKING AT WE COULD PUT IT HERE OR THERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE OWN.
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BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. IT'S DISCERNING SITTING UP HERE TALKING ABOUT -- ACTUALLY SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND I BELIEVE IN STAFF.YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING. BUT YOU KNOW, MAKING ME FEEL A LITTLE BIT BETTER IF I HAD SOMETHING ON PAPER TO SAY OKAY HERE'S GENERALLY WHERE WE WANT TO PUT STUFF.
HERE'S WHAT WE THINK OUR NEEDS ARE IN THE FUTURE.
THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AND SAY GENERALLY, IT'S CONFORMS TO PLAN. YOU PUT TOGETHER YESTERDAY.
IT FITS. THAT MAKES US FEEL BETTER
ABOUT THIS STUFF. >> I APPRECIATE YOU'VE GIVEN DATES WHEN YOU WILL GET THE STUFF FINISHED.
THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO GIVE US TIME.
ONE YOU FEEL IN YOUR HEART YOU CAN MAKE.
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