Jan 25, 2022 BCC Workshop

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

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HANSATI C. I KNOW YOU ARE DOING THE WORKSHOP ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL. YOU YOU HAD SPECIFIC ISSUES ON THERE AND I WANTED TO TOUCH ON ANOTHER ISSUE THIS NEEDED TO BE BROUGHT UP. IF DO YOU A QUICK INTERNET SEARCH FOR NATION'S MOST INVASIVE SPECIES, ONE OF THE POSTS THAT WILL POP UP IS AN ATICLE DATED FEBRUARY 24 OF 2020 FROM BECKY LITTLE. IT IS SHARED ON THE HISTORY CHANNEL UNDER HISTORY STORIES AND IT IS TITLED "SEVEN INVASIVE SPECIES THAT HAS WR WREAKED HAVOC IN THE UNITED STATES." THE DOMESTIC CAT, FELIS CATTUS IS RANKED NUMBER THREE ONLY BEHIND WILD HOGS, FERAL SWINE AND BURMESE PYTHONS. IT'S INTERESTING TO ME THAT OF ALL THE INVASIVE SPECIES LI LISTED, THE ONLY ONE THAT ISN'T CONTROLLED BY STATE OR FEDERAL WILDLIFE OFFICERS IS A TOE MESS PARTICULAR CAT. ALSO REFERRED TO AS FERAL CATS AND FREE-RANGE CATS AND HANDLED BY LOCAL COUNTY ANIMAL SER SERVICES. I THINK WHEN YOU TOUCH ON THIS ORDINANCE, IT NEEDS TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR AS TO WHAT IS ALLOWED BY OWNER OF DOMESTIC CATS.

LAST YEAR, I KNOW THE COUNTY CAME UP WITH A POLICY THAT IT WANTS TO RECOGNIZE PROPERTY OWNERS' RIGHTS.

AND IF -- IF YOU SAY THAT A CAT CAN FREE RANGE ON MY PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT MY PERMISSION, THEN THAT'S -- THAT'S WRONG.

AND -- AND IF THE ORDINANCE ISN'T SPECIFIC, IT KIND OF TENDS PEOPLE TO BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN FREE RANGE THEIR CATS ON PEOPLE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. A COUPLE OF THINGS IN PRESIDENT ORDINANCE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TOUCHED ON.

SECTION 4-17 UNDER DEFINITIONS, ANIMAL AT LARGE MEANS ANY ANIMAL OTHER THAN A CAT, WHICH IS NOT UNDER THE CONTROL.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S THERE.

THAT SHOULD BE STRICKEN FROM THE -- FROM THE ORDINANCE, IN MY. UNDER THAT SAME SECTION "STRAY" MEANS ANY ANIMAL THAT IS FOUND TO BE AT LARGE WHETHER LOST BY ITS OWNER OR OTHERWISE FERAL. SO, LET'S SEE.

IT GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT IF IT IS FOUND ON A PUBLIC OR PRIVATE STREET OR COMMON AREA OR APARTMENT, CONDOMINIUM, TRAILER PARK OR OTHER MULTIRESIDENTIAL PREMISES THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN IDENTIFICATION. SO HOW I DO KNOW WHEN ON MY

PRIVATE PROPERTY -- >> SIR, WRAP IT UP.

>> WHY IS IT NOT STRAY. QUICKLY THIS SENTENCE NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT MEANS UNDER SECTION 4-21. COLLAR REQUIRED.

SAYS NO ANIMAL SHALL -- AND THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM IT.

NO ANIMAL SHALL BE PERMITTED TO BE KEPT OR REMAIN WITHIN UNINCORPORATED AREA THE COUNTY UNLESS THE OWNER THERE SHALL HAVE CAUSED SUCH CAT TO BE REGISTERED PROVIDED WITH, AND REQUIRED TO WEAR A COLLAR AND TAG AS HEREIN PROVIDED.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

OKAY, ANYONE ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? FILL OUT A CARD AND PASS IT IN, OKAY.

>> I WAS HOPING TO HAVE THE FEW MINUTES LIKE THE OTHER MEE MEETINGS, JAMES, 2908 PLAINY BOULEVARD.

YEAH, THE. SOME OF THE STUFF HE IS TALKING ABOUT. BUT LOOK AT PIT BULLS FOR PYTHONS INSTEAD OF HAVING ANIMAL SHELTER.

WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT A HUMAN SHELTER, BECAUSE THAT WAS AN UPGRADE VERSUS WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A HUMAN SHELTER.

IT WAS IN THE NEWS -- TO DEAL WITH THAT.

CHURCHES, WE SHOULD HAVE OUR OWN.

IT SHOULDN'T BE RUN THAT WAY AND THE CHICKEN AND THE ROOSTER THING. THAT KIND OF CAME TO MIND.

I WANT TO SAY THE $25,000 -- SORRY -- I WILL TAKE MY HAT O

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BUT THE -- SHOULD GO BACK TO THE 25 ON THE MANAGER.

ALL THE TREES GOT CUT DOWN. I APOLOGIZE.

I REALLY DON'T WANT TO GO OFF, BUT WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT THOSE TREES. I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID TO CUT ALL THESE TREES DOWN, BUT NOW YOU ARE DOING UNLIMITED AND STUFF. WE NEED -- FROM 50,000.

NOW THIS IS GOING INSANE. SO PRAYERS.

I KNOWN IN THE SAY THAT FIRST. PRAYERS OUT FOR THE TWO THAT GOT KILLED ON BICYCLES. 15 YEARS I HAVE BEEN HERE AND THANK GOD WE HAD STEPHANIE CAPALUSA, SHE REALLY DID A GOOD JOB. WE WILL GET ON THOSE TRAILS HOPEFULLY AND START DEALING WITH THOSE.

THERE ARE ARTICLES IN THE NEWS ON ALL THIS OTHER STUFF THAT WE TALK ABOUT ALONG WITH THE LADY THAT GOT KILLED AND INTO LIGHTING IN MIDDLEBURG. HER SISTER, EIGHT YEARS OLD, NINE YEARS OLD STILL DOING THE MEMORIAL.

THERE IS A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF.

PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE AT EACH AGENDA ITEM.

THIS IS A HUGE THING. 9:00 MEETING AND THEN A MEETING TONIGHT. I THINK IT IS WAY TOO MUCH FOR TODAY. WE SHOULD REALLY GET MORE PUBLIC INPUT BY CALLING IN. LET PEOPLE CALL IN VIRTUAL LIKE WE WERE DOING. AND THE FOOTBALL THING IN OUR SCHOOLS. WE SHOULD BE JUST SHUTTING THAT DOWN. GOT THE MASK THING ALL OVER THE NEWS RIGHT NOW AND EVERYTHING. SO STAFF WITH CHILD ABUSE.

SWIMMING POOLS. PROBLEMS WITH KIDS AWE SUICIDE AND KIDS DROWNING. WE HAD ONE BACK TO BACK IN KEYSTONE. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL THAT YOU YOU COME FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD. AND THE HOMELESS SHELTERS, JAILS ARE AN ISSUE JUMPING ALL THAT MONEY RIGHT THERE.

MOVE THIS TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. AS YOU ARE SAYING THAT IS NOT A PARK. HOW DO WE PAY FOR THAT.

STARTING PAYING FOR PARKING FOR ONE THING.

THAT FAIRGROUNDS. STICK TO HOMELESS OVER THERE.

SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT A YEAR OR TWO AGO.

COME ON, WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. TAKE CARE OF THEM AND LOOK OVER THEM. AND WHY DON'T YOU JUST MOVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OVER THERE TOO.

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TOO. THAT IS ANOTHER OPTION INSTEAD OF 215. 215 IS BETTER THAN WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW DUMPING $14 MILLION, $15 MILLION INTO THAT JAIL THAT SHE IS GOING TO HAVE --

>> LET'S FINISH UP. >> YES, SIR.

AND SO THERE WAS JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS RIGHT THERE.

THE SEVEN BOARD MEMBERS LIKE TWO DISTRICT-WIDE AND TWO MORE INSTEAD OF PAY RAISE AND GIVE YOU GUYS LESS WORK AND MORE OF

TRANSPARENCY ON THE BOARD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT'S IT. >> OKAY.

I HOPE YOU WILL -- YOU WILL LET US TALK AT THE END TOO AFTER YOU GUYS GET DONE TALKING. THANK YOU.

>> COMMISSIONER CELLA: OKAY. NOW WE WILL START THE NEW BUSINESS PORTION WITH ANIMAL SERVICES WORKSHOP.

>> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. TROY WILL KICK US OFF.

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>> WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE SLIDES TO COME UP.

CAN WE MAKE SURE THEY GET UP ON THE SLIDES TOO.

GOOD MORNING, COMMISSIONERS. START OFF WITH -- ON THE ANIMAL SERVICES WORK SHOPTALKING OF ORDINANCE CHANGES.

THERE WILL BE FOUR MAIN AREAS THAT WE ADDRESS, WHICH IS AGGRESSIVE DOGS, HOBBY BREEDER, PET SHOPS AND CITATIONS.

THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY.

AND YOU ASKED US TO BRING BACK IN ORDINANCE CHANGES.

STARTING FIRST WITH CITATIONS. CURRENTLY ANIMAL SERVICES DOES NOT HAVE A CITATION METHOD. WE DO HAVE FINES.

AND THOSE ARE CONSISTENT ON PEOPLE ACTUALLY HAVING THEIR DOG AND COMING OUT TO RECLAIM THEIR DOG.

WHAT WE WANT TO MOVE TOWARD IS A CITATION METHOD THAT CREATES A METHOD FOR ANIMAL SERVICES TO PROVIDE CITATIONS, AND MAGISTRATE CASES FOR AGGRESSIVE DOGS AND DANGEROUS DOGS AND ESTABLISH A FEE BY RESOLUTION. CERTAIN FEEING A MANDATORY COURT APPEARANCE IF WE GET TO A CERTAIN COURT APPEARANCE WHICH IS THE CONTINUOUS. IF WE GET YOUR DOG TO GET YOUR DOG BACK, YOU HAVE TO PAY YOUR FINE.

THIS WILL ALLOW BET EVERY ENFORCEMENT OPTION THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE WHICH IS LITTLE ENFORCEMENT UNTIL WE HAVE POSSESSION OF THE ANIMAL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE SLIDES AND TAKE QUESTIONS.

I FAIL TO MENTION WE DO HAVE STAFF MEMBERS AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS IT BETTER

THAN I CAN DIRECTLY. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: AS A BASIS OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT.

WE TALK OF ACTIONS THAT THE ANIMAL SERVICES OFFICER CAN

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>> YES, SIR. IN WHAT SENSE, ARE THEY ARMED.

>> DEADLY ACTION AGAINST AN ANIMAL?

>> YOU WANT TO ADDRESS WHAT EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE.

I WILL ASK HIM TO ADDRESS YOU. HE IS OUR SENIOR FIELD OFFICER.

>> EARNEST -- FIELD OPERATIONS COORDINATOR.

SPECIFIC QUESTION? >> YEAH, HOW DO YOU -- I THINK THE ORDINANCE, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, WE TALK OF TAKING DEADLY ACTION AGAINST AN AN ANIMAL.

HOW DO YOU DO THAT? >> WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEANS TO DISPEL AN ANIMAL ON SCENE. THAT WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO BRING THE ANIMAL INTO THE SHELTER AND A NEED AROSE FOR THE ANIMAL TO BE EUTHANIZED IN A HUMANE MANNER.

IN THE FIELD, WE DON'T HAVE A METHOD TO DO THAT.

>> THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL HERE TO HELP ME.

CLARIFICATION ON THE CITATIONS. I PUT IN THERE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. I WAS MIXING AND MATCHING.

SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AGGRESSIVE AND STAGE RUSS DOG APPEALS VERSUS THE COURT SYSTEM ACTUALLY HANDLING THE CITATION.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE RECORD.

>> CAN WE CHANGE THAT TO SAY JUST "ANIMALS"INSTEAD OF "D

"DOGS." >> STATE STATUTE SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES DANGEROUS DOGS. WE CAN'T CHANGE THE STATE STATUTE FOR DANGEROUS ANIMALS. IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IT FOR AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS. WE CAN LOOK AT CHANGING THE AGGRESSIVE DOG ONES TO AGGRESSIVE ANIMALS IF THAT IS WHAT YOUR DESIRE WHICH IS A LOCAL COUNTY ORDINANCE VERSUS

THE STATE STATUTE. >> YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANYBODY ELSE. I MEAN, WE SEEM TO SINGLE DOGS OUT AS A SPECIAL CATEGORY ALL THE TIME.

AND MAYBE THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE STATE, BUT, I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PY PYTHONS OR FALCOLNS OR

ANYTHING. >> KEEP IN MIND THAT ANIMAL SERVICES ONLY ADDRESSES DOMESTIC DOGS, CATS AND FERRETS BY OUR ORDINANCE AND BY STA STATUTE.

ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THAT IS GOVERNED BY FISH AND WILDLIFE AND OTHER STATE AGENCIES. YOU TALK OF A THIGH NON, THAT WILL NOT FALL UNDER THE PURVIEW OF ANIMAL SERVICES.

>> IF WE NEED TO GET A PYTHON OUT OF SOMEBODY'S YARD, TO DO

WE CALL? >> FISH AND WILDLIFE OR TRA

TRAPPER. >> QUESTION.

HAVE WE EVER HAD AN INCIDENT WITH ANOTHER TYPE OF ANIMAL THAT IS DANGEROUS? A GATOR?

>> WE HAVE HAD ALLIGATORS. WE DEALT WITH VARIOUS RACCOONS, POSS COMES, THINGS THAT HAVE -- POTENTIALLY HAVE RABIES.

IF WE THINK IT IS PARTICULARLY RABIES WE WILL HUMANELY EUTHANIZE THE RACCOON AND HAVE IT TESTED.

BUT GOES TO TRAPPERS AND STATE. >> IN THE PAST WE COORDINATED LIKE THE WOLF INCIDENT WE HAD. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT DR. BR BROADHURST. THAT IS WHEN STEPHANIE WAS HERE WE HAD AN INCIDENT AND COORDINATED WITH FISH AND

WILDLIFE. >> THE BIGGEST ONE YOU ARE SEEING ARE THE PIGS, THE HOGS, THE FERAL.

>> SO OTHER THAN DOGS, CATS AND FERRETS, FISH AND WILDLIFE

HANDLE ALL THE REST, RACCOON. >> FISH AND WILDLIFE.

YOU GET WITH A FERAL HOG AND YOU HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE IN YOUR DISTRICT, WOULD YOU HAVE TO HIRE A TRAPPER.

>> THAT IS NOT USUALLY HOW IT IS HANDLED.

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> PROJECTI LE STAYS ON YOUR

PROPERTY. >> NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UPDATE TO THE DANGEROUS DOGS. THEY ARE GOVERNED UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE AND WE CAN PUT MORE RESTRICTIONS IN.

THESE ARE QUALIFICATIONS FOR DANGEROUS DOG.

THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF STA STATUTE.

SEVERELY ATTACKED OR CHASED PEOPLE IN A MENACING FASHION.

LET YOU READ THE REST OF IT. STRAIGHT OUT OF THE STATE STATUTE. WE CANNOT CHANGE THAT.

WHAT WE CAN DO -- NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

UPDATE THE DANGEROUS DOG TO REQUIRE MORE RESTRICTIONS SUCH AS YOU HAVE A DANGEROUS DOG ON YOUR PROPERTY, WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE INSURANCE. CURRENTLY OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR US TO REQUIRE A ISSUANCE.

REQUIRE DOG FOR OBEDIENCE TRAINING AND MUZZLED OFF OF THE

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AND WILL ALLOW GREATER CONTROL OVER THOSE DOGS THAT ARE

CLASSIFIED AS DANGEROUS. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA: ANY QUESTIONS? HAVE WE RESEARCHED THE POSSIBILITY OF DOG POLICY. GIVE AN IDEA WHAT IT COSTS.

>> I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT COSTS BUT THE SAME LONG IN SURROUNDING COUNTIES, DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCES.

AND THEY ARE REQUIRING. AND EARNEST, YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT -- BECAUSE EARNEST CAME TO US FROM AN ADJACENT COUNTY AND HE HAS FAMILIARITY WITH THIS REQUIREMENT.

>> LONG-STANDING REQUIREMENT FOR ST. JOHNS COUNTY.

THE INSURANCE POLICY YOU SEARCH ON LINE AND VARY IN PRICE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU GO WITH. LORDS OF LONDON POLICIES OF $1200 AND YOU GO ON LINE AND GOOGLE IT BUT A LONG-STANDING

POLICY. >> $400.

>> $1200. JUST A FOR INSTANCE.

>> THE INTERESTING THING IS, IF THEIR HOMEOWNERS FOUND OUT THEY HAVE A DOG THAT IS CLASSIFIED AS A DANGEROUS DOG, THEY WON'T

HAVE HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE. >> THEY PROBABLY DIDN'T TO

BEGIN WITH. >> MAYBE NOT, YEAH.

>> THEY DO HAVE STAND-ALONE POLICIES AS WELL IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES BUT GENUINELY THE SIDELINES ARE BEFORE THE INCIDENT HAPPENED. SO YOU WOULD DO IT AS A

PRECAUTION AS OPPOSED TO -- >> COULD WE QUICK RESEARCH BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS TO GIVE AN IDEA WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THE AVAILABILITY AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE COST. JUST SO WE KNOW WHAT WE ARE

DOING HERE. >> PERFECT.

>> I THINK THIS IS A WAY TO FIX THE PROBLEM WITHOUT HAVING TO

FIX THE PROBLEM. >> WELL, YOU KNOW -- HOW DO YOU MONITOR THAT? YOU KNOW, INSURANCE POLICY IS

ONLY GOOD UNTIL THEY CANCEL. >> THE REQUIREMENT ON DANGEROUS DOGS FOR ANNUAL INSPECTIONS. EVERY YEAR OUR OFFICERS -- IF IT IS A DANGEROUS DOG CLASSIFIED AS DANGEROUS.

AT THIS TIME STAFF WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE

INSURANCE POLICY. >> THE KEY THERE IS IT IS STILL -- HAS TO BE A SECOND ACTION TO PUT THIS INTO -- INTO MODE,

RIGHT. >> YOU HAVE TO MEET THE

CRITERIA OF A DANGEROUS DOG. >> THE CONTENTION -- WE HAD PEOPLE COME LAST SPRING WHERE WE HAD A DOG ATTACK AND TRIED TO TELL THE -- THE RESIDENT THAT HAD THEIR DOG MAIMED BY ANOTHER DOG THAT WE HAD TO WAIT TO HAVE -- TO TAKE A SECOND ACTION ABOUT EVER WE COULD TAKE ANY ACTION OURSELVES.

WE CAN'T STRENGTHEN THAT BECAUSE IT IS A STATE STATUTE?

>> THAT'S CORRECT. OUR OPTION IS -- AND THE NEXT

SLIDE PLEASE. >> BUT FOR A HUMAN -- ANGER NEST CAN TALK ABOUT THIS. BUT A HUMAN, IF THEY BITE A HUMAN, ONE SHOT. IF IT IS A DOG OR ANOTHER

ANIMAL THEN IT IS TWO. >> GO BACK TO YOUR QUESTION OF THE VERIFICATION OF INSURANCE, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAD THEM PLACED AS A NAMED PERSON ON THERE AND WOULD YOU KNOW AUTOMATICALLY WHEN IT WAS CANCELLED.

>> THE COUNTY WILL BE NAMED ON THAT INSURANCE POLICY?

>> YES. >> THAT IS A GOOD SOLUTION TO

THAT POLICY. >> NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

>> MR. CELLA, TO YOUR POINT WHY WE CAME UP WITH THE AGGRESSIVE DOG ORDINANCE. WE ARE REQUESTING IMPLEMENTING A AGGRESSIVE DOG ORDINANCE WHICH IS LOWER BARRIER TO CLASSIFY THOSE DOGS AS BEING AGGRESSIVE.

AND REQUIRE INSTEAD OF IT BEING TO THE ANIMAL CAUSING SEVERE INJURY TO A PERSON OR ANIMAL WITHOUT PROVOCATION AND CAUSING SEVERE INJURY TO AN ANIMAL OR PERSON WITHOUT PROVOCATION TWICE WITHIN ONE YEAR. ADDRESS THE ISSUE WHERE THE GENTLEMAN CAME IN AND HIS DOG WAS SEVERELY MANGLED, ATTACKED.

AND THIS WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED THAT.

WE COULD OF AT LEAST CLASSIFY AS AN AGGRESSIVE DOG.

YOU FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS WITH THE DANGEROUS DOG.

GO THROUGH THE HEALING. HAVE A CHANCE TO APPEAL.

WHEN THEY APPEAL YOU GO TO A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING AND THE SAME POTENTIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR INSURANCE. YOU CAN SET THE SAME BARRIERS ON AN AGGRESSIVE DOG IF THE COUNTY SO CHOOSES.

>> I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY AFTER THE DOG HAS DONE IT THE FIRST TIME TO ANOTHER ANIMAL, PRETTY MUCH KNOW THAT YOU GOT A SITUATION WHERE THAT DOG IS -- IS AGGRESSIVE. IN SOME CASES YOU WOULD CALL IT DANGEROUS, BUT WE ARE GOING O CALL IT AGGRESSIVE.

BUT I APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE GOT SOME ACTION WE CAN TAKE AT

SOME POINT. >> THESE DON'T -- JUST FOR CLARIFICATION FOR THE PUBLIC. THESE DO NOT APPLY TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ANIMALS. THEY ARE IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB, RI RIGHT?

>> YES, MA'AM. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT

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>> LIKE HUNTING DOGS ARE EXEMPT OR CERTAIN FIELD TRIAL

COMPETITION, THOSE ARE EXEMPT. >> OKAY.

>> HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT PROVOCATION IS? WHO MAKES -- WHAT IS IT AND WHO MAKES THE CALL.

>> THAT WILL BE PART OF THE INVESTIGATION INTO CIRCUMSTANCES BEHIND THE INCIDENT, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING IF THERE WAS -- THAT THE TWO EXCEPTIONS THAT ARE NORMALLY INTRODUCED WITH REGARD TO PROVOCATION OR IF IT WAS IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME. IF SOMEBODY CAME ON YOUR PROPERTY AND IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME AND AN ANIMAL BIT YOU, THAT IS PROVOCATION. OR IF YOU WERE INTENTIONALLY HURTING AN ANIMAL AT THE TIME, THAT IS PROVOCATION.

>> SO IF YOU WERE INTENTIONALLY HURTING THE ANIMAL AND THE

ANIMAL BITES YOU? >> THAT IS PROVOCATION.

YOU PROVOKED THE DOG AND THE DOG REACTED.

I COME TO YOUR PROPERTY IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME AND I GET

BIT, THAT IS PROVOCATION. >> THAT WILL BE OKAY.

WE WOULDN'T SAY THAT DOG IS AGGRESSIVE AT THAT POINT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. WE WILL TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT THAT WOULD BE PROVOCATION IN THOSE TWO

RESPONSES. >> WE ARE THINKING OF -- I GOT A LITTLE SCHNAUZER HE IS PRETTY YAPPY.

I MEAN HE WILL TAKE ON A DOBERMAN.

IF HE GETS BIT IN HALF BECAUSE OF HIM, IS THAT PROVOCATION.

>> YOU WOULD LOOK AT IF IN THE SAME MANNER AND DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. ON YOUR PROPERTY AND BEING YAPPY AND IN THE STREET AND YOU LET THE DOG GO.

IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE.

AND EACH ONE WILL BE LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY.

BUT THOSE TWO ARE STATUTES. >> IF I COME ON YOUR PROPERTY WITH NO INTENT OF COMMITTING A CRIME AND THE DOG FIGHTS ME --

>> WE WILL STILL LOOK AT THAT. AND YOU DO HAVE THAT -- SO WE WILL LOOK AT THAT -- LOOK AT THAT IN THE SENSE OF THE INCIDENT ITSELF, BUT HIM -- ME COMING ON TO YOUR PROPERTY AND GETTING BIT, THE STATE IS REAL CLEAR ON LIABILITY.

YOU WILL STILL BE LIABLE AND MIGHT NOT CLASSIFY YOU FOR ONE

OF THESE. >> SO, LIKE, IF YOU HAVE -- IF SOMEONE HAS A GUARD DOG AT THEIR HOUSE AND THEY HAVE SIGNS POSTED "WE WARE OF DOG"OR WHATEVER AND YOU GO ON THEIR PROPERTY TO KNOCK ON THE DOOR FOR SELLING A MAGAZINE OR WHATEVER. EVEN IF THEY DO THAT ANYMORE -- IF PEOPLE DO THAT ANYMORE. THAT HAPPENS AND THEY GOT BITTEN, DO THE SIGNS AND THE FACT THAT YOU DIDN'T INVITE THEM ON THE PROPERTY PLAY INTO THE INVESTIGATION?

>> IT DOES. BUT, AGAIN, FLORIDA STATUTE IS VERY STRICT WITH THE WORDING AND STATES THAT WHETHER YOU KNOW ABOUT IT OR DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT, YOU ARE LIABLE FOR THAT INJURY. BUT IT MIGHT NOT QUALIFY FOR

AGGRESSIVE OR DANGEROUS. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. JUST TO ADD TO YOUR POINT.

WE ARE SEEING THAT A LOT. WE HAD A COUPLE OF CASES IN CLAY COUNTY WHERE DELIVERY PEOPLE.

AMAZON COMES CONTINUE TO YOUR PROPERTY, DELIVERS A PACKAGE AND YOUR DOG BITES THEM. EACH OF THE CASES HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE OFFICER. WHAT ARE THE CIRCUMSTANCE AS SOON AS HOW DID IT HAPPEN? WHY DID IT HAPPEN? THE DOG BITE THE PERSON BECAUSE THEY WERE WALKING UP OR OTHER

THINGS IN PLAY. >> INTERESTING.

>> THAT WILL BE A GRAY AREA. THE DOG IS NOT GOING TO KNOW WHETHER THE AMAZON GUY IS COMING TO ROB YOU OR DROP

SOMETHING OFF. >> MINE BRINGS TREATS.

>> WHY ALSO THERE IS AN APPEALS PROCESS AND GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. IF WE MAKE A DETERMINATION INTERNALLY THERE IS STILL A -- YOU KNOW, A PROCESS TO GO THROUGH. THEY CAN APPEAL IT AND GO TO SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. NOT JUST EARNEST SAYS IT AND IT IS DONE. THERE IS DUE PROCESS.

>> WE HAD INSTANCE STANCES. COMMISSIONER CELL PHONE'S PO POINT. WE HAD SEVERAL OWNERS COME TO US AND LOST THEIR ANIMALS AND THEY DIDN'T QUALIFY UNDER OUR

OLD ORDINANCE, RIGHT. >> UNDER THE STATE STATUTE.

>> BECAUSE IT WAS AN ANIMAL AND WASN'T BITTEN TWICE.

>> WE HAD THAT SEVERAL TIMES WHERE THE OWNER AND THE DOG ARE OUT ON A PUBLIC SIDEWALK AND ANOTHER DOG COMES OUT FROM THE YARD AND HOUSE AND ATTACKED THE DOG.

WE HAD SOMEONE ON STAFF WHO HAD THAT SAME SITUATION.

THEIR DOG GOT ATTACK AND THE PERSON WALKING THE DOG WAS BITTEN. I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE SITUATIONS THAT -- THAT COME TO MIND MOST FOR ME.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE -- WE DIDN'T HAVE A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD THEN, YOU KNOW, TARGET THAT ANIMAL AND SAY, LOOK, YOU HAVE ATTACKED ONCE ALREADY.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE BECAUSE YOU LET THAT DOG OUT OF THE YARD, OUT OF THE HOUSE, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE.

THEY ARE FREE ROAMING AS IT IS WHICH IS AGAINST ORDINANCE AND NOW THEY HAVE ATTACKED PEOPLE. WAIT TO HAVE IT HAPPEN AGAIN BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION? I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION.

UNFORTUNATELY THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN ON THE STATE SIDE, WE CAN TAKE THEIRS, BUT COME UP WITH AN ALTER ALTERNATIVE, I THINK THAT MAY HELP US RESOLVE THE SITUATION.

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APPEAL THAT YOU MAY STILL BE LIABLE BUT NOT THE SITUATION WHERE WE GET TO CLASSIFY THE DOGS A AGGRESSIVE OR DANGEROUS.

>> I HAVE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN ESCAMBIA COUNTY AS TO WHAT CONSTITUTES A BITE. WHAT CONSTITUTES A BITE -- WHAT WILL CONSTITUTE A BITE IN CLAY COUNTY? BECAUSE I WAS CHALLENGED -- I WASN'T BITTEN, I WAS NIPPED --

>> A BITE, AS FAR AS WE ARE CONCERNED FOR ENFORCEMENT WOULD

BE TO HAVE A BREAK OF THE SKIN. >> THAT IS WHAT THE CRITERIA WAS IN ESCAMBIA COUNTY. I WAS BITTEN BY THAT DOG.

>> BUT A SCRATCH IS NOT. A DOG SCRATCHES YOU, IT IS NOT CLASSIFIED AS A BITE. BUT IF A CAT SCRATCHES YOU, IT

IS. >> IN THIS CASE, A TOOTH WENT THROUGH THE JEANS AND BREAK THE SKIN.

AND THAT WAS -- IT'S A BITE. >> ANY BREAKAGE OF THE SKIN,

IT'S A BITE. >> IF -- IF THEY ARE CLASSIFIED AS AGGRESSIVE DOG, WE THROW THE INSURANCE -- WE PUT THE

INSURANCE THING IN EFFECT? >> WE HAVE THE OPTION TO DO THAT. I THINK WE LEFT IT AT

DISCRETION. >> MAYBE LET THE MAGISTRATE DECIDE WHETHER TO PUT THAT ON OR OUT IN.

>> STAFF WILL MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION AND IF AGREES TO APPEAL IT WOULD GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

CORRECT, COURTNEY? IF STAFF FELT THAT THE SITUATION WARRANTED THE INSURANCE, WE WILL HAVE IT WITH OUR FINDINGS OF AGGRESSIVE. IF THEY SAY I AM NOT GOING TO DO THE INSURANCE GO TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND THEY WILL SAY I SIDE WITH YOU THE COUNTY.

>> THE PRACTICAL APPROACH OF MAKING SOMEBODY GET A $1200 WORTH OF INSURANCE IS PRETTY MUCH A DEATH SENTENCE OR GET RID OF THE DOG IN OUR COUNTY. AND THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING AT HERE. IF THE DOG IS AGGRESSIVE AND INADVERTENTLY BITES A DELIVERY PERSON, I WOULD LIKE SOME LEEWAY ON MAKING -- PUTTING THE INSURANCE REQUIREMENT ON.

>> I THINK WHAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY SAYS "MAY." GIVES THE LEEWAY TO INTERPRET THAT AND SAY STAFF DOESN'T THINK IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE INSURANCE POLICY.

>> AND WITH THE SECOND ATTACK AND THEY BECOME A DANGEROUS DOG, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LEEWAY?

>> NO, IT IS STILL LISTED AS A "MAY."

>> STILL LISTED AS A "MAY?" >> ON THE DANGEROUS AND AGGRESSIVE. IF THE BOARD WANTED IT TO BE,

WE CAN IMPOSE THAT. >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IF THE -- IF THE -- AGGRESSIVE IS A -- HEY, YOU ARE ON WARNING. DANGEROUS, YOU CROSS THE LINE.

>> THAT WAY THE DOG WOULD HAVE A SECOND ATTACK ON ANOTHER

ANIMAL. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS SECTION? OKAY.

NEXT SECTION IS DEALING WITH HOBBY BREEDERS.

YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT BRINGING SOMETHING -- PUTTING SOMETHING IN PLACE TO CONTROL HOBBY BREEDERS.

IT WOULD BE ANYBODY CLASSIFIED AS A FEDERAL COMMERCIAL BREEDER. WE WOULD LOVE -- LIMIT THE LITTERS TO TWO PER YEAR OR 20 OFFSPRING, WHICHEVER IS GRE GREATER. THE WAY WE HAVE IT WORDED, IF I

AM NOT MISTAKEN. >> HOW DO YOU GET CLARIFIED AS

A FEDERAL -- >> WE LOOKED IT UP.

>> A WHOLE LIST OF REQUI REQUIREMENTS.

USDA. IF THEY ARE NOT A FEDERAL BREEDER, WE WILL REGISTER THEM IN THE COUNTY.

LIMIT THEM TO TWO LITTERS PER YEAR.

REQUIREMENTS FOR HOUSING OF THE ANIMALS.

REQUIREMENTS FOR VACCINATION. REQUIREMENTS FOR FEEDING AND WATERING. AND ALLOW INSPECTIONS OF THE PROPERTY. THIS WOULD, IN ESSENCE, BE CASES THAT WE HAD RECENTLY. THIS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED STAFF TO START THAT PROCESS EARLIER WHEN WE RECEIVED THE FIRST COMPLAINTS THAT WE -- OUR HANDS ARE TIED.

WE DIDN'T HAVE A WAY TO GO IN AND INSPECT A HOBBY BREEDER AND DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ALLOW AND REQUIRE CERTAIN CONDITIONS TO BE MET. IT BASICALLY DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL WE GOT TO A NEGLECT LEVEL.

SO THIS WILL GIVE THE STAFF MORE AUTHORITY TO HANDLE THOSE

SITUATIONS. >> GOING BACK TO THIS FEDERAL CLASSIFICATION. HAVE WE DONE -- SOMEBODY MUST

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KNOW WHAT IT TAX TO DO THAT. >> I MEAN, IT'S -- IT IS AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS. COURTNEY -- CAMERON, DO YOU HAVE ANY FAMILIARITY WITH THAT AT ALL?

>> I THINK THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING IN THIS COUNTY

-- >> MICROPHONE.

>> THEY WANT TO YOU GO TO THE MICROPHONE.

SORRY, CAMERA. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T THINK THAT IS VERY LIKELY.

COMMERCIAL BREEDERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND IT IS HIGH DOLLAR AND THEY ARE VERY WELL CONNECTED SO I DON'T THINK THAT IS ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT HERE.

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD, CAMERON MOORE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORID. WE INVITED HER TO TALK OF TNVR AND SHE IS AN EXPERT ON SHE SHELTERS.

>> HERE IS THE DEFINITION. OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD NEED A LOT MORE DIGGING INTO. BUT THE DEFINITION UNDER THE FEDERAL ACT IS ANY PERSON WHO IN COMMERCE FOR COMPENSATION AND PROFIT DELIVER FOR TRANSPORTATION AND TRANSPORT EXCEPTS AS A CHARACTER TO BUY, SELLS, NEGOTIATES FOR SALE ANIMAL OR DOG ALIVE OR DEAD FOR RESEARCH, EXHIBITION OR USE AS A PET OR ANY DOG FOR HUNTING, SECURITY OR BREEDING PURPOSES.

THAT IS THE DEFINITION UNDER THE ANIMAL WELFARE ACT UNDER A

COMMERCIAL DEALER AND BREEDER. >> A 20 DOG DEAL.

>> THERE IS A VOLUME THAT MAKES YOU A COMMERCIAL BREEDER.

>> HOW DO YOU GET THE LICENSE? >> YOU HAVE TO APPLY THROUGH

THE USDA, RIGHT? >> THROUGH THE USDA, THROUGH

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. >> AND PAY SOME MONEY.

IS THERE ANY OTHER REQUI REQUIREMENTS? YOU GET INSPECTED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> THERE IS A LIST. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AT

SOME POINT. >> WE ARE NOT ASKING EVERYBODY TO BE A FEDERAL COMMERCIAL BREEDER.

WE ARE SAYING IF YOU HAVE A FEDERAL COMMERCIAL BREEDERS LICENSE, THEN YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM OUR STATUTE.

>> I HEAR YOU, BUT I WATCHED SOMETHING ON YOUTUBE LAST NIGHT FOR $200 BUCKS YOU CAN OWN A SILENCER.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT CRITERIA IT IS.

IT MAY BE EASIER TO GET THE FEDERAL LICENSE -- THAT'S WHERE I AM GOING WITH IT. SHOW ME -- SHOW ME IT IS REALLY TOUGH TO GET, AND I WILL SHUT UP.

>> WE WILL GIVE YOU THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE A COMMERCIAL

BREEDER. >> TROY, DOES THIS APPLY FOR CATS? SO LIKE -- LIKE THE OWNERS OF THE CATS THAT JUST DON'T GET THEM FIXED.

>> THIS WILL APPLY TO BOTH CATS AND DOGS IF YOU ARE ACTIVELY BREEDING. NOW I AM NOT GOING TO SAY THAT THE PEOPLE WHO OUTDOOR KATZ THIS WILL APPLY TO.

BUT SOMEBODY BREEDING CATS FOR SALES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT,

THIS WILL COVER THAT. >> BEING A RESPONSIBLE PET OWNER IS KNOWING THAT YOUR CAT -- OR ANIMAL IS DOING WHAT IT

TAKES TO HAVE BABIES. >> I THINK THAT IS MORE COVERED UNDER OUR TNVR PROCESS THAN UNDER THE HOBBY BREEDER.

THIS IS REALLY LOOKING AT PEOPLE WHO ARE BREEDING ANI

ANIMALS. >> BUT YOUR TNVR IS NOT GOING

TO ADDRESS DOGS. >> RIGHT.

>> WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS -- I WAS AT A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING LAST NIGHT WHERE THEY WERE TALKING OF THE NUMBER OF DOGS JUST ROAMING THE STREETS THAT ARE NOT NEUTER OR SPAYED, AND THEN, THEREFORE, THEY END UP WITH MORE DOGS AND PUPPIES THAT ARE BORN UNDER SHEDS UNDER THE DIRT.

AND I IMAGINE YOUR STAFF ENDS UP WITH THOSE PUPPIES QUITE OFTEN. THAT IS WHAT I WAS HOPING IF Y'ALL HAVE AN ABILITY TO CITE THOSE PEOPLE --

>> WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT -- IF THE DOGS ARE OUT RUNNING LOOSE OR OUT. MOST OF THOSE DOGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DON'T MEET OUR CURRENT -- THEY CAN MAKE A COMPLAINT AND THE OFFICER CAN COME OUT AND -- IF YOU WANT TO CAPTURE, APPREHEND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO USE FOR THE DOG, GO THROUGH THE NATURAL PROCESS AND CAN'T BE RE-RE RELEASED.

AND BEFORE IT LEAVES OUR SHELTER.

VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS OF THAT RULE OF A DOG LEAVING THE SHELTER WITHOUT BEING FIXED. THAT BASS MORE TO YOUR POINT, MA'AM. THAT IS MORE OF AN ENFORCEMENT AND IF YOU HAVE THOSE AREAS, WE CAN STEP UP ENFORCEMENT IN THOSE AREAS AND LOOK FOR THOSE ANIMALS AND TRY TO STOP THIS

FROM HAPPENING. >> MORE PUPPY MILLS?

>> MORE PUPPY MILLS. ISSUES THAT WE HAD WITH REPORTS OF OTHERS IN THE COUNTY THAT RIGHT NOW OUR HANDS ARE TIED.

UNLESS A NEGLECT CASE, ERNST AND HIS TEAM DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY THAT YOU ARE VIOLATING AN ORDINANCE.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS YOU CAN'T BREED 100 PUPPIES RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE A RESTRICTIONS OF HOW

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YOUR PROPERTY. >> IS IT TWO LETTERS OR 20 OFFSPRING PER ANIMAL? OR TWO LETTERS AND 20

OFFSPRINGS PER OWNER? >> PER OWNER, PER PROPERTY.

YOU COULD HAVE TWO LITTERS THAT HAPPEN TO GO ABOVE 20.

WE WANT TO HAVE THAT ABILITY. SO WE DON'T --

>> THEY CAN'T HAVE FOUR FEMALES THAT ALL HAVE TWO LITTERS EACH.

>> THE ORDINANCE ACTUALLY OUTLINES IN DEPTH HOW MANY BREEDING PAIRS THEY CAN HAVE ON THE PROPERTY.

HOW MANY ADULTS THEY HAVE. >> STAFF WAS WORKING ON ACTUAL

NUMBER AND NAIL IT DOWN. >> IN THE ORDINANCE THE NUMBER

OF. >> A LIMIT ON AND A LIMIT ON HOW MANY ARE BREEDING ANIMALS VERSUS JUST YOUR PET.

THAT GETS GRAY, RIGHT. >> WELL, EXCEPT IF THEY ARE AT

LEAST FIXED. >> RIGHT, YEAH.

>> COMMISSIONER? >> THE OTHER COMMENT I HAVE OF HOBBY AND COMMERCIAL, THINK IRS.

IRS HAS TRIGGERS WHEN A HOBBY BECOMES A BUSINESS.

THAT NEEDS TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AS WELL.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN COORDINATE REQUIREMENTS AND NO KIDDING YOU ARE A HOBBYIST OR NO KIDDING YOU ARE A COMM COMMERCIALIST. IT WOULD BE INTO IS TO SEE -- IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THIS LENS, I AM A HOBBYIST OR THIS LENS A COMMERCIAL BREEDER. IT WILL BE NICE TO KNOW THE SAME TO AVOID THE CONFUSION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE IRS TRIGGER IS BETWEEN HOBBYIST AND COMMERCIAL.

>> WE WILL DO RESEARCH. >> I KNOW WE WILL DISCUSS IT LATER, BUT IF WE END UP WITH A BUSINESS LICENSE, I THINK HOPEFULLY WE WILL ENCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE SELLING ANIMALS TO REGISTER AT A BUSINESS. AND THEN WILL THAT GIVE US MORE -- AT LEAST MORE INDICATION THIS IS GOING ON.

>> WELL, I THINK IF YOU HAVE THE BUSINESS LICENSE AND THEY RECEIVED A BUSINESS LICENSE THAT, YES, YOU WOULD KNOW IT IS GOING ON. THE ISSUE WITH A LOT OF THESE IS, THAT IT IS BEING DONE IN SOMEBODY'S HOUSE IN THE BACK ROOM AND WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF IT, BUT ONCE IT IS REPORTED TO US, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ENFORCEMENT POWER EITHER RIGHT NOW. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS WILL TO DO ALLOW US TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT POWER TO SAY YOU ARE VIOLATING THE COUNTY ORDINANCE AND YOU DIDN'T REGISTER AS A HOBBY BREEDER AND WE HAVE A METHOD AT LEAST TO DO SOMETHING.

>> IF MY FEMALE DOG INADV INADVERTENTLY GETS PRESIDENT-ELECT, I HAVE THEN GOT TO INVITE THE COUNTY IN TO

CHECK ME OUT AND TO REGISTER? >> I WOULD SAY, NO.

BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT DOING IT. IT INADVERTENTLY AND YOU MAY SELL THEM, BUT YOU WEREN'T DOING IT AS A BREEDER.

>> I AM JUST TRYING TO FIND -- FIND WHERE THE LIMIT IS HERE.

SO. OKAY, SO MY DOG GETS PREGNANT.

I GOT TO -- IF I WANT TO SELL THESE DOGS, ALL RIGHT, I HAVE GOT -- THEN I HAVE TO REGISTER AS A BREEDER TO STAY SQUARE

WITH THE COUNTY? >> I WOULD THINK BETWEEN THIS ONE AND OUR NEXT ONE OF RETAIL SALE, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU ARE

SELLING THEM, YOU SHALL -- >> USUALLY THE BACK OF MY PICKUP TRUCK IS WHAT I SEE ALL THE TIME.

>> THE NEXT PAGE OF THE ORDINANCE CHANGES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT COMES INTO PLAY BECAUSE THOSE ARE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PUT RESTRICTIONS ON IS RETAIL SALES. YOU STOP THE SELLING OF DOGS THAT ARE OVERBRED AT THE WALMART PARKING LOT.

THE SIDE OF STATE ROAD 16. WE HAVE ALL SEEN IT OUT THERE.

AGAIN, IF YOU ARE TRYING TO LIMIT THE PET OF PET POPULATION IS THE WAY WE HAVE TO START DOING IT TO PUT THESE ORDINANCES IN PLACE TO RESTRICT PEOPLE OUT THERE BREEDING WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE PROPER VACCINATIONS, SPAY, NEUTER, ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.

NOT ONE ANSWER BUT A COMBINATION OF OTHER THINGS.

>> ONE NIGHT I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM MY 19-YEAR-OLD.

MOM, I AM AT THE ORANGE PARK MALL.

I AM PETTING THIS DOG AND THAT PET STORE AND THEY SAID IT IS GOING TO GO TO A KILL SHELTER TOMORROW IF I DON'T BUY IT TONIGHT. CAN I BORROW THE MONEY.

I MEAN, HE WAS CONVINCED. AND THAT -- FIRST OF ALL, THAT IS VERY BAD BUSINESS PRACTICE AND SECONDLY -- WE DIDN'T BUY THE DOG. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DOG, BUT I WASN'T PAYING $1200 FOR ANY DOG.

THAT KIND OF STUFF IS GOING ON IN OUR COUNTY.

THAT IS NOT -- THAT IS NOT GOOD FOR ANIMALS AND NOT GOOD FOR

OUR RESIDENTS, IN MY. >> WELL, I -- AND IN TERMS OF BEING -- WHETHER YOU ARE A HOBBY BREEDER OR COMMERCIAL BREEDER, IF YOU ARE A HOBBY BREEDER AND YOU DON'T TELL THE IRS, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ARE DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

THAT IS JUST THE WAY IT WORKS. I THINK AS YOU LOOK INTO -- AND

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YOU WILL FIND ANYTHING THAT YOU DO WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT EASY. THEY DON'T MAKE IT EASY AND DO IT ON PURPOSE. THAT WILL BE EASY TO ESTABLISH.

THOSE ARE NOT THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT.

WE ARE WORRIED WITH HOBBY BREEDERS DOING IF IN THEIR BACK YARD AND NOT DOING IT IN RIGHT CONDITIONS AND PUTTING ANIMALS AT RISK AND MAYBE PUTTING HUMANS AT RISK AS WE HAD IN THE LAST CASE AND LOOKING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE MECHANISM TO BE ABLE TO SHUT DO DOWN. IF SOMEBODY IS THERE DOING IT MORE THAN JUST -- YOU MAY HAVE A DOG THAT YOU PURCHASED TO HAVE PUPPIES. I DON'T CONSIDER THAT TO BE A BREEDER. YOU HAVE PUPPIES AND YOU MAY SELL OR GIVE AWAY THE DOGS TO NEIGHBORS OR FRIENDS TO DO WHATEVER COULD BE A ONEOFF KIND OF THING AND WE WORRY OF DOGS THAT LOCK THEM UP IN CAGES AND CONTINUE TO BREED PUPPIES AND NO RECOURSE TO OVERSEE WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE.

>> AND THE ADDITIONAL COST TO THE COUNTY.

THE CASE WE CURRENTLY HAD WAS NOT A CHEAP CASE FOR US TO HANDLE. THE IMPACT OF THE COUNTY

FINANCIALLY IS SIGNIFICANT. >> YOU ESTIMATED THAT IN THE

CASE WE HAD LIKE $70,000. >> BY THE TIME WE WERE DONE WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, ALL OF OUR STAFF, WE ARE PROBABLY QUARTER OF A MILLION.

THE LAST NUMBER THAT I SAW. >> THE VOLUNTEER OFFICER.

>> THE VOLUNTEERS AND DONATION FROM THE VOLUNTEERS.

THAT IS THE THING. EVERY ONE OF THESE HAVE A

COSTLY ENDEAVOR TO THE COUNTY. >> JUST AS WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS AND BACK-TO-BACK UP COMMISSIONER CELLA.

I LOOKED UP, LICENSE COST $10 FOR THE APPLICATION.

YOU GO AND LIAZ WITH YOUR AREA WHICH IS IN RALEIGH, NORTH CAROLINA TO SUBMIT THE APPLICATION.

THE APPLICATION WHEN IT BEGINS YOU HAVE 90 DAYS TO APPLY.

THEY SEND AN INSPECTOR TO YOUR LOCATION.

BASICALLY BOTTOM LINE THAT YOU ARE COMPLYING WITH THE AMERICAN -- I BROUGHT THAT ONE UP. THE AMERICAN WELFARE ACT -- EXCUSE ME ANIMAL CINCINNATI WALL FAIR OCTOBER.

AND HATS -- THE AMERICAN WELFARE ACT.

THEY LOOK AT YOUR HOUSING, WELFARE AND CARE OF THE ANIMALS THAT ARE THERE AND GETS VERY EXTENSIVE IN DETAILS OF THE PROGRAM OF VETERINARY CARE, THE EXERCISE PLAN, THE RECOMMENDED RECORDS, THE HEALTH RECORDS AND ALL OF THAT YOU GET TO FEDERAL LEVEL, THESE INSPECTORS ARE COMING IN TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE TAKING CARE OF THESE ANIMALS PROPERLY AND RECORDING AND DOCUMENTING EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING.

REALLY EASY. I TOOK AN EASY GOOGLE.

THERE ARE 38 SLIDES AND A SLIDE DECK THAT HAS NOTES TO IT.

I KIND OF QUICKLY READ IT AND MAKE SURE WE GET THAT TO YOU.

>> TROY, YOU MAY NOT KNOW AND I WON'T PUT HIM IN THE SPOT BECAUSE I DIDN'T ASK IF AHEAD OF TIME.

IF CHARLIE AND YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW -- I KNOW THAT THE STATE WAS LOOKING AT STATUTES AROUND ANIMALS AND PUPPY MILLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I DIDN'T TAKE THE TIME TO READ THEM.

>> ACTUALLY COMPETING BILLS, AND CHARLIE IS DOING A GREAT JOB OF TRACKING THOSE FOR ME. COMPETING BILLS.

THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE IMPOSING LANGUAGE SIMILAR TO THIS AND SOME THAT ARE IMPOSING THAT THE COUNTY CAN'T IMPLEMENT LANGUAGE SUCH AS THIS A PREEMPTION BILL OUT THERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND KEEPS COMING BACK AND KEEPS GETTING VOTED DOWN PHYSICAL REALLY -- UNTIL THE SESSION IS OVER, WE DON'T

KNOW WHERE IT STANDS. >> FOR RIGHT NOW IT DOESN'T

PRECLUDE US FROM DOING THESE. >> IF IT DOES, WE WILL

READDRESS. >> WE KEEP CIRCLING AROUND THE PROBLEM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE CLEAR.

WE HAVE A PROPOSAL TO LIMIT TWO LITTERS, 20 OFFSPRINGS.

>> YES. >> TO BE CATEGORIZED -- TWO FOR 20. AND ONCE YOU EXCEED THAT, YOU TRIGGER SOMETHING. TRIGGER INTO THE NATIONAL CERTIFICATION OF COMMERCIAL BREEDER?

>> AT THAT POINT YOU WOULD BE VIOLATING THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE AND WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE OFFSPRING.

>> WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A RESOLUTION TO THAT.

IF THEY HAVE THREE LITTERS. >> AT THAT POINT WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO BE A FEDERAL BREEDER.

>> THE CRITERIA IS MY QUESTION. I HEARD THEY ARE GOING TO INSPECT -- INSPECT THIS FACILITY AND ALL THAT BUT THEY

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>> WE NEED TO CHECK TO SEE WHAT THE FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS ARE.

>> WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. >> BY THE WAY TWO BILLS.

ONE IS FOR PREVENTING PET SHOPS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FROM SELLING DOGS AND CATS, AND THE OTHER IS A BILL WHICH WILL PREEMPT OUR ABILITY TO STOP STORES FROM SELLING DOGS AND CATS. PREEMPTION BILL.

NEITHER ONE HAS GOTTEN MUCH TRACTION.

BOTH HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED AND ON THE REGISTER THIS TIME AROUND AND NEITHER ONE HAS PLAY IN TERMS OF HEARINGS.

>> THANKS. >> THE NEXT SLIDE DEALS WITH RETAIL SALE OF DOGS AND CATS. WHAT WE WOULD PROPOSE IS TO IMPLEMENT AN ORDINANCE UNLAWFUL FOR COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT TO ENGAGE IN THE RETAIL SALE OF DOGS AND CATS AND MAKE IT ILLEGAL OR UNLAWFUL FOR SOMEBODY TO SELL FROM A PUBLIC THOROUGHFARE OR FLEA MARKET BASICALLY TRYING TO LIMIT THOSE SALES THAT ARE DONE ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET WHICH MAY NOT HAVE PROPER VACCINATIONS. MAY NOT BE SPAYED AND NEUTERED.

TRYING TO LIMIT HOW MANY ANIMALS WERE INCREASING INTO OUR POPULATION. WE HAVE A SHELTER FULL OF ANIMALS. WANT TO ENCOURAGE THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY IN THE SHELTER AND USE THOSE AS YOUR PETS AND WOULD GRANDFATHER FOR A YEAR. SO THE CURRENT PET STORES ARE EXISTING THE COUNTY WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN FOR FIRST YEAR. YOU CAN CHANGE THAT AND GRANDFATHER THEM IN LONGER BUT WE FELT A YEAR PHASE OUT WOULD BE APROP A YACHT AND WHAT OTHER COUNTIES THAT IMPLEMENTED THIS HAVE -- APPROPRIATE AND WHAT OTHER COUNTIES THAT IMPLEMENTED

THIS HAVE DONE. >> WHERE ARE WE NOW ONLY ONE

PET STORE IN THE COUNTY? >> ONE THE MALL.

>> OKAY, TWO, THERE ARE TWO. >> AN ORDINANCE IF WE HARM A BUSINESS, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> 80 LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, MUNICIPALITIES AND STATES THAT HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS. FLORIDA IS THE LARGEST AND HIGHEST NUMBER OF PUPPY SELLING STORES THAT 90% OF THEM MORE COME FROM PUPPY MILLS. COUNTIES LIKE HILLSBOROUGH, PASCO, SARASOTA AND MANATEE COUNTY HAVE ENACTED THESE THINGS TO CUT DOWN ON THE ABILITY OF ILLEGAL PUPPY MILLS TO SELL THEIR PUPPIES. I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS AND ESSENTIALLY, THE PITCHY MILLS HAVE A BROKER AND TURNS AROUND AND SELLS IT TO THE PET STORES.

CONSEQUENTLY THEY CAN SAY THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR PUPPY FROM A PUPPY MILL, BUT A BROKER. BUT THE BROKER, IN A SENSE, GOTTEN IT FROM A PUPPY MILL. THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TWO IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY AT THIS POINT IN TIME SHOW THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T BUY THEIR ANIMALS FROM A PET STORE, A PUPPY STORE.

A PUPPY MILL. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT -- SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES -- IN FACT I THINK THEY SAID -- I JUST GOOGLED IT THE OTHER DAY, TEN COUNTIES IN FLORIDA WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS THAT ENACTED THE SAME

LAWS. >> DUVAL?

>> NOT THAT I HAVE SEEN. >> ACROSS THE BOARD.

>> THEY CAN. BUT OFTEN THOSE ANIMALS ARE SICK. THEY ARE NOT WELL CARED FOR.

3 THEY ARE NOT.

THEY LIVE IN THE LITTLE -- THEY LIVE IN THE LITTLE CABINETS.

THEY ARE NOT -- >> NOT FREE.

>> THEY ARE NOT EVEN WHERE THEY CAN HAVE A BED OR ANYTHING.

>> MANY TIMES WHAT HAS HAPPENED.

YOU BUY A SICK ANIMAL AND YOU ARE STUCK WITH THE VET BILLS TO TRY TO GET THE ANIMAL BACK TO HEALTH IF IT EVEN GETS THAT WAY. MY SON AND DAUGHTER-IN-LAW HAD A JACK RUSSELL. THEY BOUGHT THE JACK RUSSELL AND BROUGHT IT HOME, IMMEDIATELY THE KIDS FALL IN LOVE WITH THE DOG AND TWO AND THREE WEEKS -- THE ANIMAL STORE SAYS BRING THE DOG BACK. IT IS A DOG.

IT IS NOT A PIECE OF FURNITURE. IT IS LIKE A FAMILY MEMBER.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS.

FORTUNATELY, I'M SURE GOOD STORES AND GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE, BUT THE MOST PART, THIS IS NOT A SITUATION THAT WE F FIND. THAT IS WHY A LOT OF THESE OTHER COUNTIES AND MUNICIPALITIES ARE MOVING IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED HERE.

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>> THE PREEMPTION BILL OF WHAT WE CAN TO DO IMPACT BUSINESSES ON A LOCAL LEVEL WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD PREEMPT US FROM MOVING FORWARD UNLESS WE HAD IT ENACTED BEFORE THEN.

COURTNEY, WILL THAT BE A SITUATION WHERE IT WOULD BE RETROACTIVE? OR A SITUATION WHERE IF IT IS ENACTED PRIOR TO THE STATE ENACTING THEIR PREEMPTION, THEY WOULD BE ONE THAT WOULD COUNT MORE THAN OURS.

>> IT WILL DEPEND ON HOW THE STATE ENDS UP WORDING THEIR PREEMPTION, I KNOW WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GOING MOVE THIS WAY, WE DO IT BEFORE JULY

1. >> I KNOW JIM HAD SAID THAT THE PREEMPTION BILL THAT GOT MOVED FORWARD WAS NOT RETROACTIVE.

I WOULD THINK THAT WE CAN -- AND I CAN SEE A LOOPHOLE WITH AGRATOURISM. SOMEBODY WITH A FARM AND HAS PUPPIES ON THE FARM AND SELL THOSE.

WE CAN'T APPLY THIS TOO. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS COVER THE SITUATIONS LIKE WE HAD ON OLD JENNINGS AND OTHERS,

RIGHT. >> YEAH, WE ARE TRYING TO FIND SOME WAY OF MINIMIZING BECAUSE YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO GET RID OF IT ALL TOGETHER BUT THE BREEDING AND SALE -- THE ILLEGAL SALE OF PUPPIES AND CATS TO THE PUBLIC.

>> I AGREE. >> WHY GRANDFATHER FOR ONE Y

YEAR? >> YOU MEAN WHY GRANDFATHER AT

ALL OR ONLY ONE YEAR? >> IS SORRY, WHAT?

>> WHY GRANDFATHER AT ALL OR ONE YEAR?

>> HOW DO WE PICK ONE YEAR AND WHY DO WE GRANDFATHER.

WHAT IS THE THOUGHT PROCESS. >> IF YOU SAY YOU WILL IMPLEMENT AN ORDINANCE TO SHUT DOWN A BUSINESS TOMORROW WILL PROBABLY PUT YOU AT A LESS THAN POPULAR DECISION.

ONE YEAR IS WHAT WAS MODELLED FROM OTHER COUNTIES SO WE KIND OF GONE WITH THAT. THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER COUNTIES WHOSE ORDINANCES HAVE GONE TO COURT.

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, I THINK THEIRS WENT THROUGH COURT.

SO WE ARE KIND OF MODELING OURS FROM SOME THAT ARE TRIED AND TRUE AND NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

>> GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THE MODEL OF THEIR BUSINESS AND STILL STAY IN BUSINESS.

THEY CAN GO TO MORE PET SUPPLIES, GROOMING, VETERINARY SERVICES, NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS WHERE THEY CAN COUNT ON THAT REVENUE RATHER THAN THE SALE OF DOGS AND SELL WHATEVER INVENTORY THEY HAVE AT THAT POINT IN TIME SINCE THEY

ALREADY COMMITTED TO IT. >> NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.

SO I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE, BECAUSE -- PUTTING THESE ORDINANCES IN PLACE DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON STAFF. STAFF IMPACT.

INCREASE THE STAFF'S WORKLOAD IN SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS.

INCREASE OF ANIMAL SERVICES STAFF TO IMPLEMENT AND MAINTAIN THE REGISTRY FOR AGGRESSIVE AND HOBBY BREEDERS.

WE ARE ESTIMATEDING THAT IS PROBABLY A PART-TIME POSITION THAT WE WOULD NEED. INCREASE OF WORKLOAD FOR YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. COURTNEY'S TEAM PREPARES OUR DOCUMENTS THAT GO TO THE -- TO THE PERSON WHEN WE DECLARE A DOG. SHE HANDLED ALL THE HAEVRTION AND REMISS TO NOT THROW THAT IN THERE THAT HER DEPARTMENT WILL BE IMPACTED IF THESE ORDINANCES GETS ADOPTED.

AND OF COURSE AN INCREASED COST BECAUSE WE WOULD BE HIRING A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO HEAR THOSE CASES.

I FEEL IT IS IMPORTANT TO OUTLINE WHAT THE IMPACTS ARE

GOING TO BE. >> AT SOME POINT, DO YOU ANTICIPATE IT IS GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF DOGS THAT

YOU ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH? >> I THINK IF YOU IMPLEMENT.

>> IF IT DOESN'T, WHY ARE WE DOING IT?

>> I THINK IT WOULD. FOR INSTANCE, TAKE THE CASE WE CURRENTLY OR RECENTLY HAD. 100 DOGS THAT WE TOOK FROM THAT SITE, 100-PLUS DOGS WE FROM THAT SITE THAT GOT DISPERSED THROUGH YOUR COUNTY. IF THOSE 100 DOGS DID NOT EXIST AND PEOPLE WANTED ANIMALS THAT WOULD BE 100 MORE DOGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE CURRENT POPULATION.

ANYTHING YOU CAN TO DO CURB THE POPULATION INCREASE IS GOING TO HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ANIMALS IN YOUR COUNTY OR AT LEAST STOP THE EXPLOSION THAT YOU ARE CURRENTLY HAVING.

THE FACT THAT WE ALLOW ANIMALS TO BE BRED AND SOLD, THEY ARE NOT BEING PROPERLY VACCINATED TO COMMISSIONER CELLA'S POINT.

I DMEND HIS FAMILY FOR KEEPING THE ANIMALS THAT ARE SICK.

THE SICK DOGS ARE DROPPED OFF AT THE SHELTER AND WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH THIS SICK ANIMAL THAT WE GET HEALTHY AND FIND AN

ADOPTER FOR. >> IF YOU CAN GET THEM HEALTHY.

>> IF THE STAFF CAN GET THEM HEALTHY.

OUR STAFF DOES A GOOD JOB OF GETTING THEM HEALTHY, BUT SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T. IF YOU CAN REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ANIMALS THAT ARE HEALTHY AND BREEDING IN GENERAL WILL HELP

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QUESTION. >> NOT QUITE.

THE NEXT STEP IS, IF WE REDUCE YOUR WORKLOAD, CAN YOU REDUCE YOUR STAFFING AND THE SIZE OF THIS FUTURE ANIMAL FACILITY WITH THIS PROGRAM OR ELSE WHY ARE WE DOING IT?

>> I DO NOT ANY YOU CAN REDUCE THE STAFFING OR SIZE OF THE POGRAM. I THINK WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO LIKE YOU DO IN OTHER CASES IS STOP THE TRAUMATIC INCREASE WHERE -- DRAMATIC INCREASE AND INSTEAD -- I COME AND ASK YOU FOR A 35,000-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING.

THE POPULATION GROWTH IN THE COUNTY, IF WE DON'T CURB THE EXPLOSION OR INCREASE IN ANIMALS, THE SHELTER THAT YOU ARE DESIGNING RIGHT NOW WILL NOT SUFFICE FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS. I DON'T THINK IT IS A WAY TO REDUCE COSTS. I THINK IT IS -- WE ARE LOOKING

AT IT AS COST AVOIDANCE. >> I WILL SAY SOCIETAL ACCEPTANCE OF ANIMALS IN AREAS WHERE THERE WERE NEVER PERMITTED IS INCREASING, OKAY. RESTAURANTS, BREWERIES, --

>> HOTELS. >> -- AIRLINES.

I WAS AT A HOTEL WHERE A DOG -- A GUY TOOK HIS DOG IN THE POOL AND WANTED TO SWIM. I TOLD THE MANAGEMENT.

I WOULD LIKE A POOL, NOT A P POND.

BUT ANYWAY. HOW MANY -- HOW MANY CASES -- HOW MANY TIMES A WEEK. HOW MANY INCIDENTS DO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN A WEEK, MONTH? GIVE ME AN IDEA.

TWO CALLS A DAY OR 20 CALLS A DAY?

FOR AGGRESSIVE, DANGEROUS. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT -- HOW

MANY CASES DO WE WORK A DAY? >> A MAGISTRATE.

>> A MAGISTRATE. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA.

>> THE WORST CASES. THAT WOULD GO TO THE MAGI

MAGISTRATE. >> NOT OFF HAND.

THEY WON'T BE THAT MANY. >> GO TO THE MICROPHONE.

>> YEAH, WE USUALLY -- WE DO THE INITIAL DETERMINATIONS.

AND THEN THEY MAKE THE DECISION WHETHER THEY WANT TO APPEAL OR NOT. AND A LOT OF TIMES DURING THAT PROCESS, WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT IS REQUIRED. AND THEY END UP COMPLYING.

>> WE NORMALLY GO OUT AND INVESTIGATE CASES.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE A HIGHER LEVEL RESOLUTION THROUGH A MAGISTRATE. IF WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT A MORE STRINGENT CONTROL, HOW MANY CASES DO YOU THINK WOULD

GO TO A MAGISTRATE IN A MONTH? >> NOT MANY.

AS COURTNEY SAYS, WE TRY TO DO THE RESOLUTION IN-HOUSE AND THAT WILL DEALT WITH UNDER THE AGGRESSIVE OR DANGEROUS PROCEDURE AND THEY HAVE THAT APPEAL PROCESS AND WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO FACILITATE TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY BEFORE

YOU GOT TO THAT STAGE. >> I GUESS WHAT I AM GETTING AT. HOW MANY EXTRA PEOPLE AND LEGAL

WOULD YOU NEED TO. >> I CAN'T SPEAK FOR LEGAL.

>> NO, NO, IT WILL NOT BE A FULL PERSON, RIGHT.

>> I THINK MY POINT OF PUTTING SLIDE IN PLACE, EVERY TIME WE IMPLEMENT AN ORDINANCE, WE SHOULD BE TAKING A LOOK AT WHAT IS THAT IMPACT TO STAFF, BECAUSE IT IS EASY TO SAY COURTNEY WILL PICK UP THE EXTRA TEN HOURS OF WORK.

BUT DO THAT FOUR TIMES, THAT IS AN EXTRA PERSON.

I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT THESE ARE THINGS TO CONSIDER THAT THERE IS AN INCREASED WORKLOAD.

>> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

>> CARRY ON. >> THE NEXT SLIDE IS ABOUT OUR TRAP, NEUTER, VACCINATE, RELEASE PROGRAM.

TNVR. $75,000 TO IMPLEMENT THAT PROGRAM. PURCHASING IS WORKING WITH US TO HAVE A PROGRAM FOR VETERINARIANS, AND HOPE TO HAVE THE PROJECT UP AND RUNNING BEFORE WE GET FULLY INTO KITTEN SEASON. AS I SAID EARLIER CAMERON MOORE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IS HERE AND I CONSIDER HER BEING AN EXPERT IN THE FIELD OF COMMUNITY CATS AND TNVR.

IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM HER AT THIS POINT, SIR, OR YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE ON, BUT I CONSIDER HER TO BE THE EX-PERIOD ON THIS SUBJECT. AND SHE HAS HELPED ADVISE US

ALONG THE WAY IN THE PROGRAMS. >> I WANT TO SPEAK WITH HER.

>> YOU DO. >> YES.

>> I AM CAMERON MOORE WITH THE MADDIE CENTER AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT INTRODUCING MYSELF EARLIER.

>> ONE OF THE -- I AM KIND OF EXPERIENCE IN ORANGE PARK.

CAT COLONIES. I THINK THEY PROMOTE CAT COLONIES AS A SOLUTION TO FERAL CATS.

THEY CORRAL THEM WITH FOOD. THEY TRAP THEM IN THAT AREA.

AND THEY GET A TNVR. WHAT -- WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE

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THAT? >> WE DON'T RESPOND TO THEM AS COLONIES ANYMORE. THAT HAS A NEGATIVE CONVERSATION. WE CALL THEM GROUPS OF CATS AND THEY LIVE EVERYWHERE IN OUR COMMUNITIES, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS, BUSINESSES. CATS ARE OUT THERE.

THAT IS OUR REALITY. SO WHAT DOES HAPPEN IS, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT ARE FEEDING CATS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE ALLOWING CATS TO GO IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOUSE. WE HAVE CATS THAT ARE BORN IN THE COMMUNITY THAT DON'T BELONG TO ANYONE.

SO THERE ARE CATS OUT THERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT TRAP, NEUTER, VACCINATE, RELEASE OR SHELTER, NEUTER AND RETURN IS THE ONLY PROVEN METHOD TO ACTUALLY MAKE ANY KIND OF POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE NUMBER OF CATS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND I DID START -- I THINK WE MET BEFORE.

BUT I ALSO STARTED OUR COMMUNITY CAT DIVERSION PROGRAM IN DUV AL COUNTY BACK IN 2008 AND BACK THEN PEOPLE THOUGHT THEY WERE CRAZY AND REALLY IT HAS MADE A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF NUISANCE COMPLAINTS THAT WE HAD AND THE NUMBER OF CATS THAT ARE ENTERING OUR SHELTER.

IN FACT, AT THIS POINT, OUR CITY SHELTER DOES NOT TAKE IN HEALTHY OUTDOOR CATS. OUR PUBLIC HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED OR TRAINED OR GUIDED TO TAKE OUTDOOR CATS DIRECTLY TO A S SPAY, NEUTER CLINIC AND FIXED AND VACCINATED AND RETURNED TO BACK WHERE THEY ARE LIVING. AND WE ALSO, COMMISSIONER, DO NOT ENCOURAGE COLONIES. COLONIES, GROUPS OF CATS, FORMALLY KNOWN AS COLONIES DO HAPPEN, BUT WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SAY HERE IS A NICE PARK. LET'S PUT A BUNCH OF CATS HERE.

THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS AND NOR WOULD WE WOULDN'T TO ENCOURAGE THAT. WE REALLY.

WE THINK OF TNVR, TRAP, NEUTER, VACCINATE, RELEASE AS COLONY PREVENTION. WE DON'T WANT THERE TO BE GROUPS OF CATS LIVING ANYWHERE, YOU KNOW.

LIKE THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. BUT IF WE STERILIZE, VACCINATE THEM, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ADDING TO THE POPULATION.

WE ARE INCREASING OUR COMMUNITY AGENCIES IMMUNITY TO RABIES BECAUSE WE ARE VACCINATING ALL OF THEM AND PREVENTING THOSE

UNNECESSARY BIRTHS. >> THANK YOU.

>> CAMERON, CAN YOU GIVE US JUST -- MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THIS, BUT AN OVERALL OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH IN TERMS OF OUR CAT SITUATION.

I KNOW YOU DON'T REFER TO THEM AS "COLONY." AND DON'T REFER TOE THEM AS "FERAL CATS."

>> THEY ARE COMMUNITY CATS. THEY CAN BE FRIENDLY AND IF RALE. WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU MEANING,

COMMISSIONER? >> WE ALL SEE THE CATS BY THE SIDE -- I WALK QUITE A BIT. AND SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE THE PIED PIPER. A TRAIL OF CATS BEHIND ME LOOKING FOR KIBBLE AND BITS OR WHATEVER THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.

HOW BAD, I GUESS IS WHAT I AM ASKING.

>> NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER COMMUNITY IN THE COUNTRY.

I TRAVEL AROUND COUNTRY. I WORK WITH A LOT OF SHELTERS IN COMMUNITIES AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WILL TELL US WE HAVE A CAT PROBLEM HERE. WELCOME TO THE WORLD.

BASICALLY WE HAVE CATS THAT ARE OUTSIDE.

WHETHER THEY WERE BORN OUT THERE OR SOMEONE'S PET THAT THEY DO -- HALF OF AMERICANS LET THEIR CATS OUTSIDE.

WE WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT PEOPLE KEEP THEIR PETS INDOORS BECAUSE IT IS THE SAFEST, BUT TRYING TO CONTROL PEOPLE IS LIKE TRYING TO HERD CATS. WE CAN ONLY PROVIDE THE ADVICE.

SO WHAT WE FEEL IS THE BEST SOLUTION AND THE ONLY SOLUTION IS STERILIZE THEM, VACCINATE THEM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TALKED WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT FOR MANY YEARS AND WE ARE VERY HAPPY WITH THE SERVICES YOU ARE PROVIDING AND WE DO FEEL LIKE THIS IS THE PLAN FOR SUCCESS.

>> SO OUR BUDGET ACCOUNTS FOR -- ABOUT 1,000 CATS.

IS THAT TOO LITTLE? DO WE NEED TO DO MORE?

>> YOU CAN NEVER DO ENOUGH SPAY AND NEWTER IN YOUR COMMUNITY FOR THE OWNED PETS OR FREE ROAMING CATS.

THE THING IS IF YOU DO NOTHING, THAT MANY MORE THE VERY NEXT YEAR. WHEN I WORKED AT FIRST COAST HOMELESS PETS UP IN DUV AL, WE PARTNERED WITH CLAY COUNTY AND GRANTS TO SPECIFICALLY SPAY AND NEUTER AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING

ON FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. >> WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO

GET GRANTS FOR THIS? >> DOES PETSMART STILL PROVIDE

GRANTS? >> THEY USED TO.

THEY ARE SHIFTING THEIR FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES NOW.

THEY ARE LOOKING MORE TOWARD PREVENTING HOMELESSNESS IN THE FIRST PLACE AND HELPING CITIZENS HAVE ACCESS TO VETERINARY CARE WHICH IS A HUGE ISSUE RIGHT NOW.

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>> COMMISSIONER, TO YOUR PAINT. IF WE ESTABLISH A PROGRAM WHERE WE ARE SHOWING THAT WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL.

IT IS LIKE MOST OTHER THINGS. ONCE YOU SHOW PEOPLE THAT YOU WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, THAT WILL GENERATE MORE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES FROM -- AS CAMERON POINTED OUT FROM CORPORATIONS AND OTHER NONPROFITS.

WE NEED TO SHOW THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM IN THAT WILL WORK.

WE HAVE DONE IT WITH OTHER W WAYS.

WE HAVE DONE IT WITH OTHER PARTNERS.

WE HAVE DONE SOME TNVR INHOUSE. DR. BROADHURST DOES A LOT OF THEM HERSELF. WE FORMULATE THE PROGRAM AND WHETHER 1,000 IS THE RIGHT NUMBER OR DOUBLE IT.

I DID BRING A PROPOSAL BASICALLY FOUR TIMES THIS NUMBER. AT THE TIME IT WASN'T THE RIGHT TIME. I THINK IT IS JUST A MATTER OF GOT TO START SOMEWHERE AS CAMERON SAID.

IF WE DON'T START ANYWHERE -- AND THIS IS IN YOUR BUDGET

CURRENTLY. >> IN ORDER TO GARNER SUPPORT, YOU NEED A PLAN. I HOPE MEGAN IS LISTENING.

>> WHEN I WAS SHARE OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE YOU CAME TO ME WITH THIS PROPOSAL AND I SAID WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO DO THIS AND MAKE A DENT IN THIS POPULATION.

AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE PROGRAM DIDN'T WORK.

AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY WE THREW AT THIS IF WOULDN'T WORK.

I BACKED OFF ON THAT IDEA AND THAT MAY BE WHERE YOU GOT YOUR FOUR FROM. THE PREVIOUS AUDITOR ESTIMATED BETWEEN 30,000 TO 60,000 FERAL CATS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I AM JUST -- I DON'T -- I DON'T GET A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT DOGS. I GET A LOT OF CALLS ABOUT C CATS. I DON'T KNOW MATTHEW BEFORE THE MEETING, BUT I CERTAINLY RINGS SOME CHORDS IN MY MIND.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS, BUT IF THE PROGRAM WORKS, LET'S QUADRUPLE THE FUNDING AND GET IT FIXED ONCE AND FOR ALL AND MAKE A DENT IN THE POPULATION.

IF IT DOESN'T WORK, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT DOES.

>> WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE YOU A LOT OF RESEARCH THAT SHOWS IT DOES WORK AND NEVER HAD A COMMUNITY THAT IMPLEMENTED THIS PROGRAM AND DECIDED, NOPE, THAT'S IT, WE WILL GO BACK TO THE OLD WAYS BECAUSE IT DOES NOT -- IT DOES WORK. IT REALLY DOES.

>> WE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING IT AND DOING IT AT 20 YEARS.

>> BUT NOT AT THE LEVEL. >> IT REALLY HAVEN'T WORKED.

>> IT HAS. >> MAYBE IT HAS.

COULD BE -- COULD BE A LOT WORSE, I UNDERSTAND.

>> I THINK THAT IS THE POINT, COMMISSIONER.

IF YOU DON'T DO ANY, EVERY ANIMAL OUT THERE IS BREEDING.

IF YOU TAKE 10% OF THE ANIMALS AND THAT IS 10% LESS THAT ARE BREEDING, YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO GET TO THAT MAGIC 50% NUMBER IN ONE YEAR BUT I THINK ANY PART YOU DO IS REDUCING, AGAIN, THAT POPULATION ABLE TO BREED. IF WE DO 1,000 THIS YEAR, 1,000 LESS CATS THAT CAN BREED AND THAT IS THE KEY.

WE HAVE GOT TO DO SOMETHING TO TRY TO LIMIT WHAT WE ARE DOING.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IN A YEAR.

>> AND SADLY, YOU PRETTY MUCH ONLY HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHEN YOU HAVE COMPLAINTS. YOU DON'T HEAR FROM THEM WHEN THEY ARE HAPPY. BUT IF YOU TALKED WITH ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THE TNVR SERVICES IN THE COUNTY OR THROUGH CLAY HUMANE.

WE HAVE A WAITING LIST FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS OF PEOPLE WANTING THIS SERVICE. IF YOU SPOKE TO THEM, THEY WILL TELL YOU HOW MUCH IT WORKS AND HOW GRATEFUL THEY ARE.

>> WE JUST SUSPENDED OUR SERVICE THROUGH THE WHOLE

COUPLE OF MONTHS. >> WE HAD TO BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC AND I THINK THAT IS PART OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW. BUT IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT, WE WOULD SAY TO DO IT.

>> TO THAT POINT, WE DID SUSPEND IT BECAUSE WE ARE DOWN -- WHAT ARE WE DOWN FIVE STAFF MEMBERS? SIX STAFF MEMBERS RIGHT NOW? YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY CONCERN AT THIS POINT IN TIME WITH THE STAFF WE HAVE IS CLEANING THE SHELTER AND KEEPING THE ANIMALS THAT WE HAVE FED, ADOPTED OUT.

WE HAD TO SUSPEND OUR TNVR PROGRAM AND USE THE PARTNERS WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU SET ASIDE, WE CAN GET THESE PAR PARTNERS INVOLVED AND WE GOT COMMITMENT FROM AT LEAST ONE -- FROM CLAY HUMANE TO DO THE THOUSAND THIS YEAR FOR US.

>> THIS DISCUSSION SOMEWHAT IS A DISCUSSION THAT IS EVOLVING ARCH METRICS OF SUCCESS. AND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. WHAT CONSTITUTES SUCCESS?

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WE HAD A PROBLEM IN ORANGE PARK -- IF WE HAVE AN ENCLOSED SOCIETY, WOULD YOU BE MUCH MORE ABLE TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS, BUT IT IS NOT CLOSED. WE BORDER PUTNAM.

WE BORDER DUVAL COUNTY AND WE HAVE A SEVERE PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF CLAY COUNTY, ORANGE PARK'S PROGRAM PROGRAM TO TNVR, FOR PEOPLE ACROSS 295 AND DROPPING OFF THE ANIMALS. WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL IT DID WORK OR DIDN'T WORK. THE PLEASURE THAT PEOPLE GET FROM A NEIGHBORHOOD CAT MAY BE A METRIC OF SPAY AND NEUTER MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT TOO.

HOW MANY COMPLAINTS DID WE GET. ARE THE COMPLAINTS DOWN? THAT MIGHT BE -- ANYWAY, WE NEED TO LOOK AT METRICS OF

SUCCESS. >> IF YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE FOR A MINUTE. DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

THIS WILL APPLY TO YOU. THE NEXT SLIDE IS ABOUT FREE-ROAMING CATS AND I KNEW THAT WOULD COME UP.

CURRENTLY NOT AN ORDINANCE TO PREVENT FREE-ROAMING CATS AND I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND PUTTING AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE.

IF YOU PUT AN ORDINANCE THAT DEALS WITH FREE, ROAMING CATS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO IMPLEMENT CALLS.

TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER BOLLA.

DON'T PUT AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH.

30,000 STRAY CATS OR COMMUNITY CATS, WHICHEVER TERM YOU WANT TO USE. WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO PICK UP 30,000 CATS AND DO SOMETHING WITH THEM.

IF WE DO DECIDE TO DO ORDI ORDINANCES OR ADDRESS THIS, I WOULD RECOMMEND BRINGING THIS BACK AS A SEPARATE SET OF ORDINANCES NOT TO DELAY THE CURRENT HOBBY BREEDER ORDINANCE. LET US FOCUS ON THOSE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE AT 85% LEVEL. 0% LEVEL.

AND IF YOU WANT TO DO SOUTH CAROLINA WITH COMMUNITY CATS, I WOULD SUGGEST DOING THAT SEPARATELY.

OPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT LIMITS FEEDING ON COUNTY PROPERTY AT OUR PARKS.

I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT NOT HAVING PEOPLE ENCOURAGED TO FEED ON OUR PROPERTY.

AND OTHER THING IS THE EDUCATION PROGRAM.

I THINK CAMERON SPOKE TO THIS A LITTLE BIT.

ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO HANDLE THIS IS GOING TO BE CREATING A ROBUST EDUCATION PROGRAM. AND TELLING PEOPLE WHY THEY NEED A TNR. WHY THEY NEED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM WITH THE ACTUAL DOING TNVR, ADDING THAT EDUCATION DEVELOPMENT IS KEY. ALL THE STUFF I READ, IF YOU DO ONE WITHOUT THE EDUCATION PART, YOU ARE ONLY DOING HALF THE JOB. SO THAT IS MY PITCH ON FREE ROAMING CATS. BASED ON YOUR REQUEST.

>> CATS HAVE NO -- YOU HAVE NO NATURAL ENEMIES, PERIOD.

I MEAN, WE -- WE FEED THEM. THEY ARE JUST GROWING LIKE CRAZY. I MEAN -- AND -- I LIKE CATS -- I HAD A CAT FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT I DON'T LIKE SO MANY OF THEM. I GOT THE STORY THAT I ALWAYS TELL, I WAS GOING DOOR TO DOOR. AND I KNOCKED ON THIS ONE GUY'S HOUSE AND HE HAS BIRD HOUSES ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND I NOTICED A COUPLE OF CATS WALKING AROUND AND HE COMES OUT AND GOES -- CAN'T YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE CATS.

I HAVE TEN CATS LIVING AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW RIGHT IN MY -- ON MY PROPERTY. AND HE SAYS.

THERE IS NOT A BIRD LEVEL AROUND HERE.

AND HE SAYS THE AUDOBON SOCIETY TELL ME THAT THE CATS KILL A BILLION BIRDS A YEAR. AND THERE IS NO NATURAL ENEMIES FOR CATS. HE SAYS WHEN I CALL THE COUNTY, THEY EXPECT ME TO GO THERE AND GET A TRAP TRAP THE CAT, BRING IT -- DRIVE IT ALL THE WAY TO THE COUNTY AND BRING IT BACK.

HE SAID I DON'T WANT IT BACK. HE SAYS AND THEY WON'T TAKE THEM ANYWHERE ELSE. I MEAN, THIS IS A PROBLEM.

I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE LOVE CATS. I LIKE -- I DON'T HATE CATS.

I AM A DOG PERSON. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS NO CONTROL OVER -- OVER THIS. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE ARE GOING TO GET THE 50%.

IF WE HAD A PLAN TO TELL ME WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, OKAY.

IT MAY COST US A MILLION BUCKS ONE YEAR JUST TO MAKE A BIG DENT IN THIS THING. BUT WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERE.

AND -- AND WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT ADDRESSING IT.

I MEAN EVERY TIME I TALK ABOUT THIS, I GET BEAT UP BY THE CAT LOVERS. OKAY.

BUT IT IS A PROBLEM IN CLAY COUNTY.

AND SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TALK ABOUT IT.

I THINK WE ARE NOT DOING EN ENOUGH.

IF THIS IS OUR CHOSEN METHOD OF DEALING WITH THE PROBLEM, THE TRAP, NEUTER, VACCINATE, RELEASE, COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WILL WORK IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS.

NOT JUST SAYING -- >> IT WILL BE AN ONGOING -- BECAUSE YOU HAVE CITIZENS MOVING IN AND OUT OF THIS COMMUNITY AT A HIGH RATE, THIS IS GOING TO BE ONGOING.

YOU WILL ALWAYS NEED TO TRAP TO MAINTAIN.

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AND REALLY I THINK IT IS LESS ABOUT EDUCATION, ACTUALLY, AND MORE ABOUT ACCESS TO RESOURCES. SO YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF CITIZENS WHO REALLY WANT THIS SERVICE AND THEY WANT THE CATS HAPPY AND HEALTHY AND DON'T WANT THEM BREEDING BUT DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO TAKE THEM TO GET THEM FIXED OR CALL CLAY HUMANE.

A FOUR-MONTH WAITING PERIOD. WE HAVE A VETERINARIAN SH SHORTAGE. AND NOT A ONE IN DONE.

TRAPPED EVERYBODY AND GOT THEM FIXED AND NEVER SEE A FREE ROAMING CAT AGAIN. THIS WILL BE MAINTENANCE.

EVERY COMMUNITY WHO HAS DONE THIS HAS RECEIVED A REDUCTION IN NUISANCE COMPLAINTS, REDUCTION OF CATS, FREE ROAMING

AND INTAKING INTO THE SHELTERS. >> WE HAVE DONE THIS, RIGHT?

WE HAVE DONE THIS FOR 20 YEARS. >> YOU HAVE NOT DONE IT AT THE

LEVEL THAT YOU NEED TO. >> WHAT IS THAT LEVEL?

>> AGAIN, IN DUVAL COUNTY, WHEN WE STARTED OUR PROGRAM IN 2008, REDUCED OUR CAT INTAKE FROM $13,000 TO LESS THAN 3,000 CATS. CITIZENS NOW KNOW TO GO STRAIGHT TO SPAY, NEUTER. WE ARE PROVIDING A SOLUTION TO THEM. IN CLAY COUNTY, YOU HAVE NOT HAD THE SOLUTION. TYPICALLY IN THE PAST ANIMAL SERVICES HAS INTAKE THOSE CATS AND EUTHANIZED THEM.

ONLY RECENTLY WITH THE TNVR SERVICES, BUT, AGAIN, NOT WIDESPREAD. IF YOU CALL YOUR CLINICS HERE IN CLAY COUNTY, IT IS VERY HARD TO GET IN FOR SPAY-NEUTER

SERVICES. >> I HAVE BEEN ON THIS BOARD EIGHT YEARS AND THIS HAS BEEN THE POLICY THAT WE TRAP, NEUTER AND RELEASE AND HAVEN'T EUTHANIZED.

AND MY CALLS HAVE NOT CHANGED. >> RIGHT.

BUT AGAIN YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED THE SERVICES.

THE COUNTY HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE LEVEL WHICH IS WHY DUVAL COUNTY AND OUR PROGRAM WITH HOMELESS PETS USED TO BRING DOWN A VAN EVERY SINGLE MONDAY.

I WAS THE ONE DRIVING IT AND MEET AT THE TRACTOR SUPPLY AND HELP 60 CATS GET FIXED EVERY SINGLE MONDAY UNTIL WE RAN OUT OF SUPERFUNDS. THIS IS -- YOU CAN'T JUST FIX, YOU KNOW, A SMALL AMOUNT OF CATS AND EXPECT THE HUGE RESULT. IT HAS TO BE DONE AT A LARGE

SCALE. >> SO --

>> IF IT HAS TO BE DONE AT A LARGE SCALE, WHY DON'T WE HAVE A PROGRAM AT LEAST COME TO ME AND LET ME TELL THAT I CAN'T

AFFORD IT. >> WE ARE MOVING TOWARD THAT.

>> WE BROUGHT THE PROGRAM AND YOU ALLUDED TO, PREVIOUS COUNTY -- PREVIOUS COUNTY AUDITOR SAID THAT HE DIDN'T SUPPORT IT.

SO -- BUT THE ANSWER IS, HONESTLY, THAT IS WHAT I WAS TALKING TO DR. BROADHURST ABOUT.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS AT A LARGE SCALE, AS WE MOVE IN THE LARGE SHELTER, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO RUN TWO VETS THE WAY WE PLANNED IT OUT. THE WAY TO DO THAT HIRE YOU A VET AND HIRE TWO VET TEXT TO DO NOTHING BUT TNR.

ROUGHLY WE CALCULATED 10,000 -- WE CAN DO 10,000 A YEAR IN THE NEW SHELTER IF WE SEPARATED -- SEPARATED AND HAD A VET AND VET TECHS DEDICATED TO DO TNR IN OUR SHELTER.

IF YOU WANT TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITHOUT TRYING TO OUTSOURCE IT BECAUSE A SHORTAGE OF VETS AROUND THE COUNTY, AROUND THE STATE, AROUND THE COUNTRY ROAR PROBABLY.

>> AROUND THE COUNTRY. >> WE INSOURCE THIS.

WE TAKE THAT ON AND GET TO THE NEW SHELTER TO DO THAT.

WE DON'T HAVE THE SPACE TOO DO IT NOW.

WE CAN DO A LIMITED -- ON A WEEKEND OR SOMETHING BUT WE HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT IF YOU TRULY WANTED TO ATTACK THE PROBLEM LONG TERM, THAT IS HOW YOU ATTACK THE

PROBLEM LONG TERM. >> WHERE IS THE PLAN?

HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST? >> WE WILL WRITE THE PLAN UP.

WE WILL WRITE THE PLAN UP FOR YOU.

>> GOOD. >> TNVR.

THE"R"BE CAN BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO THE TNV, RELEASE OR RETURN.

>> RETURN. YOU NEED TO RETURN THE CATS TO

THEIR OUTDOOR HOME. >> SORRY, WHAT?

>> RETURN. TRAP, NEUTER, RETURN.

YOU ARE RETURNING THE CATS TO WHERE THEY ARE, REQUIRING.

>> THAT IS AN IMPEDIMENT TO JUST LIKE WE HEARD, SOME PEOPLE IMPLEMENT TNV. THEY DON'T WANT THE CATS TO RETURN. SO THEY WON'T TRAP, NEUTER AND VACCINATE. THEY WILL JUST -- SO -- AND SO -- SO I QUESTION WHAT THE -- WHAT THE IMPACT OF RELEASE IS

AS OPPOSED TO RETURN. >> WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO RELEASE THEM TOO? NO MAGICAL FARM TO PUT 30,000 CATS ON. THE CATS ARE ALREADY EMBEDDED IN THIS COMMUNITY. THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO CARE FOR THEM, WHETHER THEY WILL ADMIT IT OR NOT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, THEY DO NOT WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE BY THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY HA DOES NOT HAVE LANGUAGE IN THEIR ORDINANCE THAT SUPPORTS A COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM.

SO IT IS OFTEN UNDERGROUND. BUT, AGAIN, WE CAN CONNECT YOU WITH THOUSANDS OF OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE DOING THIS, THAT ARE SEEING SUCCESS. WE PROMISE YOU THIS IS THE ONLY

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AND THE ONLY PLACE IT DOESN'T WORK IS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T

IMPLEMENT IT. >> ALL I AM SAYING SOME PEOPLE THAT WOULD TRAP, NEUTER, VACCINATE, BUT WILL NOT WITH A RETURN. WITH"R"MEANING RETURN.

>> WE DO NOT SEE THAT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED THIS. AND DUVAL IS ONE OF NAWR NEIGHBORS. NASSAU COUNTY.

SO MANY OTHERS AROUND THE WHOLE STATE AND AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT ARE DOING IT. IT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

SO, THEREFORE, WE WANT TO YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THEIR SUCCESSES AND DON'T WORRY ABOUT THAT. IT IS AN UNNECESSARY FEAR AND SOMETIMES WE LET FEAR GET IN THE WAY OF MAKING GOOD

DECISIONS FOR OUR CITIZENS. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> WE WILL DEVELOP A PLAN AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD ON OPTIONS OF HOW TO DO TNVR COMMUNITY PROGRAM.

>> A LEVEL THAT WILL MAKE AN IMPACT.

>> WORK WITH CAMERON AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

>> WE DID THIS THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO WHERE YOU CAME UP WITH 300,000 OR 350,000. OUR CURRENT AUDITOR AT THE TIME SAID THAT WASN'T GOING TO MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE AND I WILL USE THE SAME QUOTE, YOU DON'T EAT AN ELEPHANT ALL IN ONE BITE.

SMALL BITES AND GOT TO BE CONTINUOUS.

AND SO, YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PLAN, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SEE US NOT IMPLEMENT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE SET ASIDE IN THE BUDGET TO MOVE FORWARD ON, BECAUSE WHATEVER WE DO IS BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.

AND SO IF YOU ARE TELLING US THAT WE HAVE TO GET A FACILITY WHERE WE CAN DO AS MANY AS 10,000 IN A YEAR AND WHAT THAT IS GOING TO COST US, THEN I AM ON BOARD FOR THAT.

BUT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING THAT 300,000 LEVEL THREE OR FOUR YEARS AGO AND THINK WHERE WE WILL BE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. SO THE BOTTOM LINE NO PERFECT PLAN, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO GET STARTED AND HAVE A CONTINUOUS EFFORT TO -- TO RID OURSELVES OF THE PROBLEM.

OTHERWISE AS -- AS OUR FRIEND MATT HAS SAID, THE INVASIVE SPECIES WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT IT IS DOING AND DOES IT NATURALLY. AND SO WHATEVER WE CAN -- WE CAN DEFRAY IN TERMS OF POPULATION, I AM ALL FOR MOVING

FORWARD IMMEDIATELY. >> SINCE IT IS BUDGETED WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TNVR PROGRAM.

>> I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP ON THAT.

>> DO YOU HEAR US? >> DO WE HAVE A DOG LICENSE F

FEE. >> NO, WE DO NOT.

>> ARE WE PROPOSING A DOG LICENSE FEE?

>> NO, SIR. >> SO HOW --

>> LOOKING AT DOG LICENSING, DOG LICENSING IS REALLY NOT A REVENUE SOURCE. A WAY TO DETERMINE WHETHER YOU HAVE -- OUR APPROACH HAS BEEN MICROCHIPPING AND ENCOURAGE MICROCHIPPING. A PERMANENT -- NOT PERMANENT.

BUT IF A DOG HAS A MICROCHIP MOST LIKELY TO HAVE THE MICROCHIP STAY IN PLACE THAN A DOG TAG OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS THE DOG IS -- OUR APPROACH IS MICROCHIPPING.

WE OFFER MICROCHIPPING CLINICS. >> $150 OR $15 TO GET YOUR DOG

MICROCHIPPED. >> CAT AS WELL.

>> WE DON'T ACTIVELY MICROCHIP CATS BECAUSE OF COMMUNITY CATS

THAT ARE OUT ROAMING. >> WE CAN PUT LITTLE GPS ON

THEM. >> WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO MICROCHIP THEIR CATS. AND CAN AND WHAT IS THE RATE, 1%, 2%. EVERYTHING THAT WE ADOPT OUT.

>> CATS AND DOGS. >> EVERYTHING THAT WE ADOPT OUT FROM OUR SHELTER GETS MICROCHIPPED.

>> ALONG THE SAME LINE WHILE THE DOCTOR IS COMING UP.

SOMEONE TOLD ME -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TRUE.

I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO RESEARCH THIS, BUT SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT DUVAL COUNTY ACTUALLY ADDS A FEE ON TO THEIR RABIES VACCINATION AND THEY USED THAT TO UPGRADE THEIR CLINIC AND SUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY

INFORMATION. >> I KNOW DUVAL DOES HAVE A CITY LICENSE AND THE EXTRA FEE IS FOR YOUR CITY LICENSE WHEN YOU ARE VACCINATING. A LOT OF COUNTIES ARE TRYING TO GO AWAY WITH LICENSING BECAUSE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH IT. A BIG ENDEAVOR.

YES, YOU GET SOME MONEY BACK BUT YOU ALSO SPEND MONEY MAINTAINING IT. WE HAVE REALLY WANTED TO WORK ON MICROCHIPPING AS A WAY TO GET ANIMALS RETURNED HOME BECAUSE WE KNOW BRINGING THEM INTO THE SHELTER IS GOING TO COST US A LOT OF MONEY IF WE CAN GET MORE ANIMALS MICROCHIPPED AND RETURN THEM IN THE FIELD.

THAT IS GOING TO SAVE BRINGING ANIMALS INTO THE FACILITY.

AS I MENTIONED ALL OF THE CATS AND DOGS THAT LEAVE OUR FACILITY ARE MICROCHIPPED. AS TROY SAID WE HAVE A RABIES TO MICROCHIP CLINIC ONCE A MONTH.

>> IS THERE A SITE THAT YOU LIST THE DOGS TAKEN IN OR CATS

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ONLINE AND FIND HIM? >> WE LIST ALL ANIMALS THAT COME INTO OUR SHELTER AS STRAYS AS REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTE.

FLORIDA STATUTE -- >> CONNECTED TO THE CHIP SO I

KNOW IT IS MY DOG. >> WE DON'T CONNECT TO THE C

CHIP. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING.

>> DON'T CONNECT TO THE CHIP INTERNALLY.

IF YOU PROPERLY REGISTER YOUR CHIP, WE WILL SCAN IT AND CALL YOU AND SAY WE GOT YOUR DOG VERSUS YOU LOOKING ON A WEB WEB SITE. THE PURPOSE OF THE CHIP, SCANNING THE FIELD AND THAT DOG NEVER IMPACTS SHELTER HOPEFULLY. IF YOUR DOG IS OUT THERE, MICROCHIPPED, WE SCAN IT IN THE FIELD AND WE KNOW YOU GOT IT REGISTERED WE WILL TRY TO RETURN THAT DOG.

THAT DOG STEPPING ON OUR PROPERTY COSTS US MONEY.

ONCE THEY STEP ON OUR PROPERTY WE HAVE TO VACCINATE.

IF WE KEEP THEM FROM SHOWING UP ON PROPERTY, WE ARE SAVING

DOLLARS. >> ALL RIGHT, MY DOG RAN AWAY ABOUT A YEAR AGO. I GOT THE DOG FROM CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL CLINIC. HE HAD A CHIP THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE REDONE. I NEVER GOT A CALL.

PICKED UP BY ONE OF THE NO KILL ANIMAL CENTER.

NOBODY TURNED HIM IN. NOBODY EVER CALLED ME.

MAYBE A ONE-OFF, I AM SURE. >> IF IT WENT TO ANOTHER

FACILITY. >> I AM SUGGESTING TO COME OF A WAY TO TRACK THAT CHIP SO IF MY DOG RUNS AWAY.

>> FEDERAL REGISTRIES THAT DO HAT.

WE DON'T DO THAT OURSELVES. THE NATIONAL REGISTRIES ARE OUT THERE FOR THAT PURPOSE. THE SHELTER THAT PICKED UP YOUR DOG SCAN OR DIDN'T SCAN, I CAN'T SAY THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE PROPER PROCEDRE. I CAN TELL THAT YOU ANY DOG THAT COMES INTO OUR SHELTER IS SCANNED MULTIPLE TIMES.

SCANNED DURING INTAKE AND AND ASK WHEN MEDICAL GOES BACK TO MEDICAL. I CAN HONESTLY TELL THAT YOU A DOG OR CAT THAT COMES IN OUR SHELTER IS TOUCHED THREE TIMES WITH A SCANNER TO FIND OUT IF AN OWNER --

>> YOU CALL. >> WE HAVE A STAFF MEMBER AND

THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES. >> THE SECOND FAIL-SAFE IF SOMEONE DOES NOT UPDATE THEIR REGISTRATION OR EVER REGISTER IT. IF YOU CALL OF THE MICROCHIP, LOOK WHO THE CHIP WAS SOLD TO. PEOPLE CALL US AND SAY THIS CHIP WASN'T REGISTERED BUT YOU GUYS PURCHASED IT.

WITH YOU LOOK UP WHO THE AD ADOPTER WAS AND LOOK UP THAT WAY. TO TAG OFF REAL QUICK, CAMERON SAID IN DUVAL, THEIR LICENSES GET ABOUT $700,000 IN REVENUE THEY USE FOR SPAY, NEUTER. MIND YOU, THEY HAVE A MUCH LARGER POPULATION, BUT JUST TO TAG OFF OF THAT.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE MYSELF.

I OFTEN THOUGHT PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF THAT OWN CATS -- I WOULDN'T MIND PAYING $25 OR $50 AN ANIMAL SO I SUPPORTED THE ALL EVIDENT AND INTERESTED FOR PEOPLE HELPING OUT.

>> IN TERMS OF LICENSING, DEPARTMENTS THAT DO A THAT AND A FEW DOLLAR CHARGE ON TOP OF THAT AND KEEP THE DIFFERENCE.

WHEN I TALKED TO ONE OF THOSE PROVIDERS LAST SUMMER YOU ARE IN A GOOD EFFORT GETTING 20% OF THE DOGS REGISTERED.

NOT A -- COULD BE IN THIS CASE DUVAL COUNTY.

ANY IDEA OF HOW MANY DOGS -- HOW MANY DOGS PER HOUSEHOLD, WE PROBABLY HAVE 8,000 TO 10,000. SO IF YOU LICENSED THEM AT $25

APIECE. >> AND CATS.

>> IN DUVAL, THE VETERINARY CLINICS WHO ARE REQUIRED TO SELL THE LICENSE AT THE TIME THEY VACCINATE THE DOGS.

THAT HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF SOME --

>> FROM A COUNTY SYSTEM, I MEAN IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT, I WOULD PREFER THE MICROCHIP. IF WE ARE LOOKINGAT LICENSING, THAT IS A WAY TO DO IT WITHOUT THE COST HITTING OUR BOTTOM LINE AND BASICALLY NOT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT ADDING STAFF AND ADMINISTERING THE PROGRAM. THEY DO ALL THAT MUCH.

>> LET'S DO BOTH. CHIP AND LICENSE.

>> LET US TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND BRING YOU A PROPOSAL OF WHAT IT WILL COST AND WHAT IT WILL COST TO IMPLEMENT SOMETHING LIKE

THAT. >> ALONG WITH THE TRAP, NEUTER, VACCINATE, RELEASE PROGRAM TO SEE HOW THE REVENUES OFFSET

SOME OF IT. >> I AM HESITANT TO SOMEWHAT PENALIZE GOOD, RESPONSIBLE DOG OWNERS VERSUS -- OR ANIMAL OWNERS VERSUS THOSE WHO REALLY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO MAKE SURE THAT THESE ARE -- THESE ARE TRACKED.

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I ONLY ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE IT WAS ASKED TO ME BY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE

WHAT YOU COME BACK WITH. >> LET US WORK ON THIS AS STAFF AND COME BACK WITH POTENTIAL COSTS.

WE HAVE GOT OTHER COUNTIES AROUND US THAT CHARGE LICENSES.

WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THEIR VOLUME IS, WHAT THEIR EXPENSES ARE. YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE GET TO THE NEXT WORKSHOP ON REVENUES THE SIMILAR DISCUSSION OVER THE BUSINESS LICENSES. YOU KNOW MY OPINION IS, THEY ARE COST NEUTRAL. THEY DON'T GENERATE A LOT OF REVENUE BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE THE STAFF TIME INCURRED OF ENFORCEMENT AND COMPLIANCE. AND WE WILL TALK TO THAT WHEN WE GET TO BUSINESS LICENSES UNDER REVENUES.

>> I JUST WANT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THE HOBBY BREEDER.

AND DOCTOR, CAN WE MANDATE THAT A HOBBY BREEDER, TNVR, AND MICROCHIP, CAN WE PUT THAT IN OUR ORDINANCE.

NOW WE ARE TALKING OF THE AGE OF THE DOG.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT AGE THAT YOU CAN TNVR AND CHIP THEM.

>> WE ONLY TALK OF TNVR WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CATS.

OBVIOUSLY SPAY AND NEUTER OF DOGS.

THAT IS A WHOLE ANOTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING SPAY NEUTER RIGHT NOW OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT LIMBS AND USDA COMMERCIAL BREEDER THEY LOOK AT FOUR BREEDING FEMALES.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE ARE WANTING IT TO BE LESS THAN FOUR.

BUT AS FAR AS MAN AND TORO SPAY AND NEUTER A WHOLE ANOTHER DISCUSSION. IF THEY COME TO THE SHELTER AND THEIR DOG WAS FREE ROAMING, SPAY, NEUTER OR $500 FEE TO RECLAIM THEIR ANIMAL BUT AS FAR AS THE HE ANNUAL COUNTY REQUIREMENT, THAT WOULD BE A BIGGER DISCUSSION.

>> THE LICENSING RIVRM WOULD GIVE US THE ABILITY TO SEE IF THE DOG HAD -- OR THE ANIMAL HAD A CHIP AND OR WAS SPAYED AND US INTO THE ERRED. IF THE ANIMAL -- THE PERSON APPLYING FOR THE LICENSE DECIDED NOT TO SPAY AND NEUTER THEIR ANIMAL, THEY WOULD GET THEM REGISTERED AS A BREEDER OR A HOBBY BREEDER OR WHATEVER -- WILL GIVE US A GATE TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF ENFORCE SOME OF THIS STUFF.

>> AND CAMERON JUST POINTED OUT WITH SPAY, NEUTER TOO ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH TNVR IS ACCESS TO VETNARY SERVICES.

-- VETERINARY SERVICES AND IF WE REQUIRE SOMETHING AND F FOUR-HOUR WAIT TO GET IN A CLINIC, SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. THE SAME WITH THE TNVR IF WE ADD VETS AND SPACE IN THE NEW SHELTER.

NOT ENOUGH IN THE COMMUNITY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

>> I GUESS MY POINT IF WE CAN IMPLEMENT A REGULATORY, I'M AT THE SOURCE INSTEAD OF THE PUBLIC IT WOULD BE BETTER AND

EASIER TO MANAGE. >> CHIPPING.

>> SHIP SOMETHING EASY AND YOU CAN SAY WE WILL REQUIRE YOU TO CHIP IF OUR CHIP IS OUR LICENSE IN THE COUNTY COUNTIES AND REQUIRED TO HAVE YOUR DOG CHIPPED IN THE COUNTY.

REQUIRED TO HAVE IT VACCINATED. >> VACCINATED BEFORE SALE.

>> BEFORE SALE. >> THAT IS MY POINT.

>> LET US WORK WITH THAT AND WORK WITH COURTNEY WHAT LANGUAGE TO PUT WITH THE HOBBY BREEDER.

>> IDENTIFIES THE DOGS THAT ARE AGGRESSIVE AND BAD.

>> WE CAN ITEM. >> BEFORE WE LET AN ANIMAL OUT OF OUR SHELTER WHO WAS LABELED AGGRESSIVE.

WE WILL REQUIRE THEM TO BE VACCINATED AND SPAY AND NEUTER.

>> EVERYBODY IS TATTOOED WITH THEIR SPRAY AND US INTO THEER

AND MICROCHIPPED AS WELL. >> IS THAT HOW WE TELL IF A

FERAL CAT IS ALREADY SPAYED. >> EAR TIPS.

IF YOU SEE THEM FROM AFAR, CATCH THEM IN THE TRAP, YOU CAN SAY THAT ONE HAS ALREADY BEEN VACCINATED AND SPAYED OR NE

NEUTERED. >> DOES IT TAKE A SPECIAL VET

TO DO 10,000 SPAY AND NEUTER? >> AND SHE IS NEXT STANDING AT

THAT PODIUM. >> THE PERSON WHO CAN DO IT IS

STANDING AT THE PODIUM. >> 24-7 OPERATION ON THE

HOSPITAL. >> CAN YOU PET THEM IN BETWEEN.

>> WHEN THEY ARE ASLEEP. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON VETS THAT CAN DO HIGH VOLUME? ANY INPUT?

>> MAYBE NEWLY GRADUATED VETS? >> I WILL JUST SHARE WITH YOU, THERE IS A -- THERE IS A NATIONAL SHORTAGE OF VETERINARIANS WHO FOCUS -- W WELL, VETERINARIANS IN GENERAL, BUT ALSO, THERE ARE ONLY 2% THAT FOCUS ON SHELTER MEDICINE

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THEY ARE SUCH A DESPERATION AND NEED FOR THAT.

SO -- SO FINDING THEM, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY -- YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE POSITION VERY ATTRACTIVE. THEY WANT A LOT OF QUALITY WORK LIFE BALANCE AND YOU HAVE AN AMAZING HIGH SKILLED SHELTER MEDICINE VETERINARIAN IN YOUR TEAM AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT BUT WE WOULD CLONE HER AND PUT HER IN EVERY COMMUNITY AND THAT IS THE TRUTH.

>> STEP AWAY FROM THE MIC.

>> YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLACES THAT WOULD OFFER HER SO MUCH TO LEAVE. I JUST WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AN AMAZING ASSET ON YOUR TEAM AND SHE IS ONE IN A MILLION. DON'T THINK THAT -- NEW SHELTER VETS, UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH OUR SHELTER MEDICINE PROGRAM, THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT AND I WAS SHOCKED AT THAT WHEN I FIRST GOT INTO WORKING AT THE UNIVERSITY SO JUST KNOW THAT NO, YOU CAN'T HIRE A NEW VET AND PERFORM AT THIS LEVEL BECAUSE THEY DO NOT. THEY CAN BE TRAINED UP AND YOU

HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. >> SUCH THING AS A NURSE

PRACTITIONER. >> NOT YET.

SOMETHING THEY ARE DISCUSSING BECAUSE OF A SHORTAGE.

SHORTAGE OF SKILLED VETERINARY TECHNICIANS.

YOUR DOCTOR CAN BE AMAZING BUT NOT TECHNICIANS TO ASSIST, YOU WILL NOT BE AS PROGRESSIVE AS YOU WANT.

TE ONE THING I WILL THROW OUT HERE AND I KNOW TROY WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION, IT IS VERY COSTLY TO RUN A LICENSING PROGRAM. IT IS VERY HARD TO FORCE VETERINARIANS TO HELP YOU EVEN IN DUVAL, WE HAVE IT IN OUR ORDINANCE THAT THE VETER VETERINARIANS MUST SELL THE LICENSES AND HAVE TO PAY THEM. TO GET COMPLIANCE YOU HAVE TO PAY A PORTION OF THAT LICENSE. AND IT IS DIFFICULT AND ALSO WE WOULD NOT ADVISE AGAINST MANDATORY SPAY, NEUTER BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE THEIR PETS SPAYED AND NEUTERED.

THEY DO NOT GET ACCESS AND IS NOT AFFORDABLE.

YOU CAN MAKE A LAW SAYING WE ARE REQUIRING IT OR CAN'T AFFORD IT OR CAN'T GET THE APPOINT AM, A LAW YOU CAN'T ENFORCE. WE WILL PROVIDE YOU MORE INFORMATION AND PROVIDE IT TO TROY TO SHARE WITH YOU.

>> THE LAST ITEM AND GO TO NEXT SLIDE.

TURN IT OVER TO GENS TO TALK ABOUT THE SHELTER.

>> GENS PRICE, CLAY COUNTY FACILITIES.

AN UPDATE ON THE SHELTER. MLN MARTIN ARCHITECTS AWARDED THE CONTRACT A FEW DAYS AGO. I EXCHANGED CONTACT INFORMATION. HEALTHY DIALECT GOING BACK AND FORTH TO IDENTIFY THE PROGRAM AND PERSONNEL THAT WILL GO INTO THIS NEW SHELTER. MARTIN IS A PERSON I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH. TALKING TO DR. BROADHURST AS WELL. GOOD DIALOGUE FOR SURE.

THIS IS INITIAL AND COME BACK IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS ON UPD UPDATES. PROJECT UPDATES I WILL BRIEF THIS EVERY MONTH AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND.

THE OTHER PIECE FOR THIS IS A SITE CONSIDERATION.

RIGHT BEHIND JTA OFF OF 220. LEASE AGREEMENT WITH JTA AND SOME OF THE LEASED LINES AND THEY ARE WORKED OUT BETWEEN JTA AND US. KIND OF A GRANT POSSIBLY, BUT PEOPLE ARE TALKING TO JTA TO ADJUST THOSE LINES AND MAXIMIZE POSSIBILITY OUT THERE WHERE THE ANIMAL SHELTER WEAR GO.

WE DON'T WANT TO PUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER IN THE MIDDLE AND NOT USE OTHER THINGS. TWO OTHER BUILDINGS AND FACILITIES THAT CAN GO OUT THERE IN THE FUTURE AND PART OF MARTIN'S RESPONSIBILITY. COME UP WITH A SITE LAYDOWN.

WHERE DOES THIS MAKE SENSE BEFORE WE BUILD ANYTHING OUT THERE. ESTIMATED TIMELINE, EXPECT A DESIGN BACK NOVEMBER 1 AND WORK WITH PURCHASING TO GET THAT BID PACKAGE AND CONSTRUCTION STARTED POSSIBLY NEXT YEAR.

PENDING ALL YOUR QUESTIONS, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

>> WHO IS ON THE DESIGN TEAM? >> MLM, I KNOW DACOY ENGINEERS.

>> FROM OUR STAFF WHO IS ON THE DESIGN.

>> MYSELF, DR. BROADHURST, AMY. >> GOOD ANSWERS.

>> ABSOLUTELY, SIR. >> CAN YOU ADDRESS HOW WE ARE SCOPING THE SIZE OF THE FACILITY.

>> OFF THE PROGRAMS AND PERSONNEL, SIR.

ONCE I HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION.

A CLINIC AND FLOW -- HEY, WHEN THEY BRING ANIMALS IN, WHAT

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LET THE ARCHITECT WORK THAT OUT IN THE BUDGET WE ARE WORKING IN. GO AHEAD.

>> TO EXPAND ON THAT. REMEMBER A YEAR OAR AGO TWO YEARS AGO, WE HAD A STUDY DONE TO DO A SPACE ANALYSIS OF HOW MUCH SPACE WE WOULD NEED. THEY CAME AND LOOKED AT OUR CURRENT VOLUMES, THE PROGRAMS IN PLACE AND WHAT VOLUMES WE WOULD BE AT. THE NUMBER THEY CAME UP WITH IS THE NUMBER WE USED IN THIS BID FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN.

WE ASK A STUDY FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL.

>> IS THE STUDY AVAILABLE? >> YES, WE CAN PROVIDE THAT TO TO TO YOU. YES, SIR.

>> HOW DOES THIS FIT IN WITH OUR FACILITY PLAN IN OF ALL THE BUILDINGS WE NEED IN THE COUNTY.

I HEAR -- I KNOW WE NEED A SHELTER.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT, BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER -- OTHER FACILITIES HERE. I ASSUME A WAREHOUSE AND OTHER STUFF I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT BEFORE WE OKAY ANOTHER BUILDING OF A GENERAL PLAN OF WHAT WE NEED IN THE COUNTY.

>> THAT IS ON OUR REVENUE WORKSHOP.

ON ONE OF THE SLIDES. >> GOOD ANSWER.

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT PART OF THE ANIMAL SERVICES WORKSHOP.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

>> WE COVERED THE HIGH POINTS OF THE ORDINANCE OF AGGRESSIVE OR DANGEROUS DOGS. I THINK WE HAD SOME SITUATIONS IN THE PAST YEAR OR SO THAT REALLY NEED US TO MOVE ON THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS. AND OBVIOUSLY THE -- THE SALE OF PETS AND CATS THROUGH RETAIL IS SOMETHING I HAVE TO LOOK AT SO THE WHOLE BREEDING THING IS SOMETHING THAT WE STILL HAVE TO REVISIT. VERY HAPPY WITH THE PROGRESS WE MADE TODAY IN TERMS OF COVERING THAT GROUND.

>> AND WE WILL BRING BACK THE ORDINANCES AT A FUTURE MEETING

AND WHERE WE CURRENTLY STAND. >> SO IN THEORY, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO BUY A DOG OR A CAT IN CLAY COUNTY EXCEPT FROM A HOBBY BREEDER WHO IS -- WHO IS BREEDING LESS THAN 20 DOGS A

YEAR? >> THAT IS OUR INTENT.

>> OR COMMERCIAL. >> OR IF THERE IS A COMMERCIAL -- IF WE PHASE THE PET SHOPS OUT, THEY WON'T BE HERE AFTER THE YEAR.

>> ER IN NOT COMMERCIAL? >> THEY ARE NOT COMMERCIAL BREEDERS. NEITHER ONE.

THEY ARE A PET STORE. >> THE PET STORES ARE NOT

COMMERCIAL BREEDERS. >> YOU HAVE TO GO ONLINE TO A PROFESSIONAL BREEDER OUT OF THE STATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> OR ADOPT. >> OR ADOPT.

>> WHICH IS WHAT THE PREFERENCE IS.

>> IT DOES HAVE LANGUAGE IN THERE AS FAR AS PET STORES HAVING ANIMALS FOR ADOPTION. SO JUST TO THROW THAT PIECE OUT THERE. WE ALREADY HAVE CATS IN SOME OF THE PET STORES, PETCO, PET PETSMART, AND PET SUPERMARKET ALLOWS ADOPTIONS. EXPANDING THAT WITH DOG ADOPTION EVENTS AND THEY WILL HAVE THAT OPTION.

>> HOW WILL THEY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO KEEP THE DOOR OPEN.

>> SELLING ALL THE MATERIALS THAT GO WITH THE DOGS.

DOG BOWL, DOG FOOD, CLEANING PRODUCTS, TOYS.

>> I WILL SAY VERY SUCCESSFUL STORES IN OUR COUNTY ADOPTING OUR CATS OUT AND MAKING GOOD MONEY ON ALL THE STUFF THAT

GOES WITH THE CAT OR A DOG. >> THE RAZOR BLADES ON THE

OTHER HAND -- >> THAT --

>> LIKE, I HAVE DOGS THAT HAVE TO BE GROOMED.

THEY HAVE HAIR. IT HAS TO BE CUT.

IT DOESN'T SHED. BUT I DO BUY CLOTHES TOO.

>> CHAIRMAN, REG WILL COME UP AND KICK OFF THE SECOND HALF UNLESS YOU WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE --

>> LET'S SELL CELL PHONE OKAY. LET'S GO BACK IN SESSION.

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ROR REG. >> REG, I AM THE BUDGET MAN MANAGER. AND THE REVENUE MANUAL.

YOU ALL RECEIVED A COPY IN YOUR BCCS TO COMPLEMENT AND SUPPLEMENT THE BUDGET BOOK FOCUSING ON REVENUES AND OUR VARIOUS REVENUE STREAMS. TO START OFF ON THE FIRST SLIDE, A QUESTION OF WHAT RULES WE NEED TO FOLLOW.

WHAT REVENUES ARE COMING IN, WHAT FUNDS THEY GO INTO.

AND WHAT SPECIFIC USES THEY HAVE ALL BASED ON STATUTES AND ORDINANCES AND CODES AND LAWS OF FLORIDA.

SO SOME OF THEM HAVE SPECIFIC NEEDS THEY HAVE TO BE USED FOR.

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THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE CURRENT REVENUES.

THEY HAVE THE PROPERTY TAXES. THE NUMBERS SHOWN HERE ARE FOR ALL FUNDS WITH PROPERTY TAXES. NOT JUST THE GENERAL FUND BUT THE MSTU FUNDS AND THE SHERIFF FINES AND FORFEITURE FUND GET A PIECE OF THE COUNTYWIDE PROPERTY TAXES.

WE ARE ESTIMATING $108 MILLION TO COME IN.

SO FAR WE HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT 90, 83%.

THAT IS -- IN A TIME FRAME OF NOVEMBER THROUGH MARCH WHEN EVERYONE IS PAYING THEIR TAXES. AND, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE DISCOUNTS WITH THE EARLIER PAY, BUT THE LOOK IS TO COLLECT

ABOUT $108 MILLION. >> WHAT DO WE EXPECT THE PERCENTAGE TO BE -- WHAT IS YOUR AVERAGE -- IS IT 9 7% OR

101%? >> HERE IT IS USUALLY LESS THAN 100%. WE BUDGET 95.

>> WE BUDGET AT 95? >> BY STATUTE, YOU HAVE TO BUDGET AT 95%. HOPEFULLY IF WE CAN CRACK THAT

95 CEILING. >> NORMALLY 97 OR SOMEWHERE IN

THERE. >> THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING.

>> THANK YOU. >> SURE.

NEXT WE HAVE THE GROUP OF TA TAXES.

WE HAVE A COUPLE OF FUELS TAXES THERE.

THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX AND THE DISCRETIONARY TAX.

EACH OF THOSE HAVE THEIR OWN AREAS THEY HAVE TO GO INTO.

THE FUEL TAXES VOTED FIRST TO GO INTO THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND. THE SECOND LOCAL OPTION TAX GOES INTO JUST THE ABOVE THE LINE CIP PROJECTS.

TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX GOES INTO THE OWN FUND FOR TOURISM AND DISCRETIONARY SALES TAX HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO PAY THE FUND BALANCE FOR THE BONDED PROGRAM AND REMINDER GOES INTO CIP.

SO IT IS THE PRIMARY REVENUE FOR CIP PROJECTS.

>> SO WE ARE -- BASED ON THAT TIME LINE, WE ARE BASICALLY INTO ABOUT -- A LITTLE MORE THAN 12% OF THE YEAR.

I AM LOOKING AT THE -- THE RUN RATES ON THE COLLECTIONS, AND OBVIOUSLY WE COLLECTED -- WE COLLECTED A LOT OF THE REAL

ESTATE TAXES UP FRONT, RIGHT? >> RIGHT.

BECAUSE -- >> DISCOUNT.

>> FIRST. AND YOU HAVE AN ESCROW, THEY WILL BE PAYING SMALL AS THEY NEED TO.

THOSE WHO DELAY THAT REALLY PUSH UP THE MARCH 1.

>> WE ARE PRETTY MUCH UP TO SNUFF EXCEPT FOR THE FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS THAT WE PROBABLY HAVEN'T APPLIED FOR

YET, RIGHT? >> THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR AND REIMBURSEMENT GRANTS. WE HAVE TO SPEND IT AND ONCE WE SUBMIT THOSE INVOICES AND ST STUFF, THEY WILL REIMBURSE US

FOR THOSE GRANTS. >> ONE THING IN BUSINESS SCHOOL

IS COLLECT FAST, PAY SLOW. >> WELL, THAT IS ON THEIR END.

>> THEY ARE DOING EXACTLY THAT. >> NOT WHAT THE STATE

SUBSCRIBES TO. >> THAT'S WHY YOU GOT TO SUBMIT THOSE INVOICES. THE NEXT GROUP OF REVENUES IS THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL GROUP WHICH BASICALLY FLOWS THROUGH THE STATE EXCEPT FOR YOUR FEDERAL GRANTS THAT COME THROUGH THEM. WHICH IS BASICALLY THE FEMAS AND ARPAS AND LARGER ONES. THE STATE GRANTS ARE USUALLY TIED TO ROADS. THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT STATE TAX.

AND THEY GO FROM THE STATE AND DO TWO PROJECTIONS A YEAR.

ANXIOUSLY AWAIT THOSE TO COME OUT AND I WILL UPDATE THOSE NUMBERS AS THEY COME. AND SO THEY HAVE BEEN INCHING UP, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. AND A COUPLE MORE FUEL TAXES THAT GO THROUGH THE STATE THAT COME IN AND ALSO GO INTO THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRS THOSE ARE CURRENT REVENUES. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

>> IN YOUR OPINION, ANYTHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IN HERE?

>> EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE ON TARGET.

I AM LOOKING AROUND -- EACH MONTH -- ON AN EVEN FLOW YOU HAVE 8.3% COMING IN FOR A MO MONTH.

SO -- AND SOME KIND OF LAG BY A MONTH SO I LOOKED BETWEEN 16 TO 23, 25% IN THIS TIME FRAME. SOME PARTS OF THE YEAR GENERATE FASTER THAN OTHERS. SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO KIND OF GET THE EBB AND FLOW OF A FULL YEAR OR A COUPLE OF YEARS TO SEE HOW WELL YOU ARE DOING. BUT NO TWO YEARS ARE ALIKE.

YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT IS GOING TO COME UP.

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>> THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING YOU. YOU DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES HERE?

>> I HAVE NO ISSUES. THIS IS BASICALLY ON TARGET.

>> HOW OFTEN DOES THE LEGISLATURE CHANGE THE ALLOWABLE USE OF SOME OF THESE TAXES AND REVENUES.

IS IT OFTEN OR NEVER? >> RARE.

RARE. THEY PRETTY MUCH STICK IT AND THAT'S THAT. NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE ARE IMPACT FEES. THESE ARE PHASING OUT BECAUSE WE CHANGED OVER TO MOBILITY F FEES.

WE HAVE TWO DISTRICTS. AND WE -- WE HAVE MONEY THERE.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT TWO PROJECTS, ONE PROJECT IN DISTRICT 2 WITH $4 MILLION. AND LOOK TO USE THAT FOR THE COSMO TO WESTWARD TO COUNTY ROAD 218.

THAT IS WHERE THAT MONEY IS PROGRAMMED TO GO.

DISTRICT 3, $7.3 MILLION. RADAR ROW WILL TAKE THE MAJORITY OF THAT AND LOOKING AT THE MAJORITY.

WILLOW SPRINGS FOR BASICALLY THE REST OF IT.

AS THOSE ARE WINDING DOWN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUDGETS ARE PRETTY SMALL. WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING IN DISTRICT TWO YET DISTRICT 3, 95,000 BUDGET.

YOU DON'T COUNT ON THAT FOR A BIG REVENUE GENERATOR BECAUSE IT IS NOT GOING TO BE UNTIL IT PHASES OUT.

BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT SPENDING IT ON THESE PROJECTS.

THE NEXT ONE IS THE MOBILITY FEES.

AND RIGHT NOW WE -- AT THE END -- SORRY.

AT THE -- OCTOBER 1, OUR CASH LEVEL WAS $3.6 MILLION.

SINCE THEN, WE COLLECTED $1.7 MILLION.

THE BIG DISTRICTS THAT COLLECT THE MOST ARE THE LAKE ASBURY, BRANDON FIELD OAK LEAF AREA. SO FAR IF YOU WERE TO BREAK DOWN EACH OF THOSE AREAS, HAVE ABOUT 2.7 WILL COME IN FOR THE LAKE ASBURY AND 2.3 FOR BRANIN AND OAK LEAF MAY THINKING OF USING THAT FOR DESIGN AND KICKING OFF ON PROJECTS IN THAT AREA. RIGHT NOW, INCEPTION TO DATE BECAUSE THIS WAS IMPLEMENTED LAST FEBRUARY, WE HAVE COLLECTED WITH $5.3 MILLION. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THAT IN YOUR LAKE ASBURY AND BRANDON OAK LEAF.

IF YOU WANT TO THINK OF GETTING SOMETHING GOING COUPLE MILLIONS DOLLARS IN TWO DISTRICTS TO START SOMETHING.

THAT IS A GOOD THING. NEXT ONE IS -- CHARLIE.

>> GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN, CHARLIE LATHAM, ACM.

I HAVE AN ABBREVIATED AGENDA TO GO WITH YOU.

IF YOU RECALL BACK IN JUNE 6 OF LAST YEAR WE WENT THROUGH A DETAILED PROCESSING OF LISTING THIS INFORMATION IN GREATER DETAIL, BUT IN SUMMARY, JUST TO KIND OF KEEP THE FLOW GOING HERE, THE SOLID WASTE ENTERPRISE FUND IS ACTUALLY REGULATED BY FLORIDA STATUTE 4.0.4082 B CLEAR GUIDELINES OF WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO AND HOW WE MANAGE IT.

SOLID WASTE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SERVICES ARE FUNDED BY USER F FEES WITHIN THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

USER FEES COME FROM TIPPING F FEES, FRANCHISE FEES, AND OTHER SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS FOR COLLECTION AND DISPOSAL.

THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS CAN ONLY BE USED FOR SOLID WASTE OPERATIONS. AND EXPENSES.

SOME OF THOSE -- SPECIFICALLY. WHAT THAT FUNDING IS RESIDENTIAL PROGRAMS FOR C CURBSIDE SELECTION AND CONVENIENCE CENTERS AND HO HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE.

PROCESSING AND WASTE OF RECYCLABLE MATERIALS.

EXISTING FACILITIES AND CAPITAL EQUIPMENT.

IE REPAIR, REPLACEMENT ACHED EXPANSION IN FUTURE FACILITIES AND CAPITAL EQUIPMENT ACQUISITION CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WITH OUR CONSULTANTS.

DISASTER TO REDISPOSAL AND POST CLOSURE CONTINGENCY.

WE CALL IT LONG-TERM CARE AND CLOSURE.

THE STAY THAT IS UNDER WAY, WE HAVE TWO CONSULTING FIRMS WORKING TO PROVIDE US WITH L LONG-TIME SOLID WASTE

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WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT MORE THAN ONE DISTRICT.

WE TALKED ABOUT ASL AND REAR LOAD AND POTENTIALLY RELOCATING A NEW TRANSFER STATION BEING REVIEWED AND WE WILL HAVE THAT REPORT FOR YOU AS WE -- I THINK WE MAY.

THE FUND WILL ALLOW FOR EXPANSION OF ROSEMARY HILL AND THE NEW TRANSFER SITUATION WITHOUT HAVING TO BORROW MONEY FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS. THE KEY DATES THAT I THINK ARE INCLUDED ON YOUR TRANSPARENCY, JUNE 28, WE HAVE A BOARD WORKSHOP WHERE WE INTEND TO PUT A FULL RECOMMENDATION FOR SERVICES BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION FOR AN RFP.

SEPTEMBER 30, '23. THE TRANSFER STATION AND DISPOSAL EXPIRES. CONTRACTED OUT TO CEI.

THAT -- WE DON'T NEED THAT MUCH TIME TO GET THAT CONTRACT TO TURN AROUND BECAUSE NOT AS MUCH CAPITAL EQUIPMENT INVOLVED.

THE OTHER ONE THE HOLLINGS SERVICE WILL TAKE 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS TO GET TRUCKS. WE WILL PUT THAT EARLY NEXT YEAR FOR 2024 START DATE. THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT FOR THE

SOLID WASTE ENTERPRISE FUND. >> COMMISSIONER CELLA:

QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

WE DISMANTLE THE TREEHOUSE ON BLANDING.

SHERIFF -- OR PROPERTY OWNER DID.

AND THEY PILED ALL THE DEBRIS ALONG BLANDING BOULEVARD.

IS THAT WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO?

>> NO, THEY SHOULD BE COORDINATING A PICK-UP WITH A REGISTERED HAULER. ONE OF OUR FRANCHISE HAULERS WE HAVE. I THINK WE HAVE 30 NOW.

>> I GUESS MY POINT IS THEY PICKED UP THE MATERIAL, THREW IT ON THE GROUND, AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS SUPPOSED TO PICK UP THE MATERIAL AND THROW IT IN THE TRUCK.

SHOULDN'T THAT -- I AM TALKING ABOUT FUTURE CONTRACTS.

SHOULDN'T THAT BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CONTRACTOR TO DISPOSE OF IT COMPLETELY?

>> IT CAN CERTAINLY BE A BARGAINING POINT OR AN AGREEMENT POINT ON THE CONTRACT.

. >> WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT OF

THAT ISSUE. >> YES, SIR.

WE LOOK AT ALL THE CONTRACTS THROUGHOUT THE DATE AND ALL THE RFPS LISTED THROUGHOUT THE STATE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

WE HAVE IDENTIFIED BEFORE THE CONSULTANTS WERE ENGAGED THERE WERE VERY BIG HOLES IN THE CONTRACT.

>> NOW WE HAVE TAKEN A DISTRESSED AREA INSIDE THE WOODS AND PUT A DISTRESSED AREA ALONG THE HIGHWAY WHICH DOESN'T

MAKE SENSE TO ME. >> THAT IS VERY MORE FOR THE PRIVATE LAND OWNER TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.

AS THEY WERE TEARING IT DOWN, THEY COULD PUT IT IN A TRUCK AND BROUGHT IT TO ROSEMARY H HILL.

AND IN TERMS OF DUMPING THROUGH THE COUNTY AND CLEANING UP AND MONITORING DUMPSTERS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE, WE NEED -- I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE MORE TEETH IN THAT.

BUT SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL BE LOOKING AT US AND RECOMMENDING

TO US, RIGHT? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> COST OF RECYCLING PROGRAM. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET BACK TO

OUR PEOPLE? >> WE HAVE A MEETING WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT ON THURSDAY, I BELIEVE -- IS IT THURSDAY? WE HAVE PUT TOGETHER STAFF A COUPLE OF IDEAS.

ONE THING TO TELL YOU THAT NOTHING COMES WITHOUT SOME P PAIN. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE ARE LOOKING AT, ONE THAT WILL INVOLVE REMOVING THE PLASTIC FROM YARD WASTE.

AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE HOMEOWNER IN ORDER FOR US TO PROVIDE BURN CURTAINS CLOSER TO MAJOR AREAS IN THE COUNTY TO FACILITATE LESS WINDSHIELD TIME TO GET MORE OF THE SERVICES COMPLETED. WE ARE GOING TO MEET WITH THEM ON THURSDAY AND SEE WHAT THEIR -- WE PUT THE BURDEN ON THEM TO PROVIDE WITH A LIST OF THINGS TO MAKE THINGS IMPROVE FOR OUR CITIZENS BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT WE ARE NOT -- WE ARE NOT BILLING EVERYBODY FOR CURBSIDE SERVICES.

YOU KNOW, THEY ARE GOING TO GET A CREDIT ON THEIR NEXT ASSESSMENT FROM THE FIRST OF OCTOBER -- FROM THE FIRST OF THE SCHOOL YEAR TO WHENEVER. CURBSIDE RECYCLING RESTORES.

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THEY ARE DOWN PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY.

>> AND THEN THE DUMPSTER SITUATION AT THE COLLECTION SITES. ARE WE SQUARE THERE? I MEAN, I AM GETTING A LOT -- GETTING A LOT OF PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY.

>> THE ONLY PROBLEM WE HAD A PROBLEM IS ON SUNDAY AND -- GOSH, TWO MONTHS AGO WE ORDERED FOUR NEW LARGE ROLL-OFF CONTAINER TO PUT OUT THERE ON THESE TYPE OF EVENTS WHERE -- WE HAVE A MONDAY OR FRIDAY HOLIDAY.

YOU KNOW, THAT WE SEE MORE MATERIALS COME IN AND WE STILL CAN'T OPERATE ON SUNDAY BECAUSE THEY GOT TO HAVE D.O.T. RESET TIMES, THE DRIVERS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOT THESE FOUR NEW CONTAINERS AND GIVE US ADDITIONAL FLEXIBILITY BUT THE ONLY PROBLEMS WE EVER HAD THAT I AM AWARE OF WHERE PEOPLE COME OUT ON SUNDAY AND NO SERVICE BEING CONDUCTED ON SUNDAY.

BUT WE HAVE A PLAN -- A PLANNED CLEANUP AT EACH SITE EVERY MONDAY MORNING AND PICKED UP RIGHT AWAY AND ALL OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK PEOPLE PICKING UP IN THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON.

>> WHO IS PICKING UP? >> WASTE MANAGEMENT.

>> ARE THEY CHARGING US FOR THAT?

>> THEY ARE NOT. >> OKAY.

THE LAST THING I GOT ON MY TICK LIST HERE.

IS THERE ANY PLAN FOR THE COUNTY TO AT LEAST LOOK AT DOING OUR -- BRINGING THIS IN-HOUSE?

>> YES, SIR, THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE STUDY WITH THE

CONSULTANTS. >> I MEAN IT DAWNED ON ME THIS IS A CORE FUNCTION OF THE COUNTY HERE.

AND WE REALLY -- PART OF THE PROBLEM IS, WE DON'T HAVE DIRECT CONTROL OVER THE SER SERVICE.

AND IF IT WAS A COUNTY FUNCTION WE WOULD BE STUCK WITH IT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANYBODY ELSE TO POINT AT.

IT WOULD BE US. AND WE COULD THEN DO WHATEVER

IT TAKES TO FIX IT. >> THERE ARE PROS AND CONS TO EACH SITUATION AND WE WILL DISCUSS THOSE.

>> YEAH.

SO IT WILL COST -- NO MATTER WHAT WE DO, I SEE AN INCREASE

OF THE COST OF THIS STUFF. >> WE ARE WATCHING PRICING AS THE CONTRACTS COME OUT, LIKE I HAVE SAID.

I HAVE SEEN THEM DOUBLE AND TRIPLE.

>> DOUBLE AND TRIPLE? >> YES, SIR.

>> WHERE ARE WE AT RIGHT NOW PER HOUSEHOLD, $150 BUCKS.

>> $225, >> $1175 A WEEK, I THINK IT IS.

>> 226 A YEAR. >> TOTAL ASSESS SUSPECT 226.

>> ARE WE TALKING ASSESSMENTS? >> WHAT DID I PAY ON MY TAXES FOR GARBAGE. 226?

>> YEAH. AND ALSO AS A COMPARISON AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT PUTNAM COUNTY AT 276.

ALACHUA, 343. ST. JOHNS COUNTIES AT 342.

CLAY COUNTY AT 226. AND THE AVERAGE IN OUR GROUP IS 257.45. NOT ONLY BELOW AVERAGE BUT THE LOWEST RECEIVER OF THE ASSESS AM.

>> TRYING TO TELEGRAPH FOR FOLKS IN TV LAND THAT IT COULD GO -- IF IT TRIPLES YOU COULD BEING $600 BUCKS A YEAR FOR

TRASH COLLECTION. >> WE INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T RAISE THE ASSESSMENTS THIS YEAR KNOWING THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET THE STUDY DONE, PUT AN RFP OUT AND KNOW TWO YEARS BEFORE THE CONTRACT STARTS WHAT THE ACTUAL COST WILL BE AND THEN MAKE OUR ADJUSTMENTS. TRYING TO EASE THE PAIN JUST A

LITTLE BIT. >> USE THAT NUMBER WHATEVER BIDS ARE TO LOOK AT BRINGING THE SERVICE IN-HOUSE AND SEE.

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT WILL TAKE -- HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO BUY A GARBAGE TRUCK THOUGH?

>> 18 TO 24 MONTHS. >> NOW IS THE TIME TO DO THIS

STUDY? >> WE ARE DOING THE STUDY NOW.

>> OKAY. THAT IS ALL I'VE GOT.

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT SLIDE IS BUILDING FUND.

RIGHT NOW A CASH BALANCE OF $9.5 BILLION.

IN RESERVES WE HAVE VER $11 MILLION.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT HERE IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO CARRY A FUND BALANCE THAT HIGH AND HOW LONG YOU CAN DO IT FOR. SO THE IDEA IS TO COME UP WITH AN IDEA TO SPEND THAT RESERVE DOWN.

AND ACTUALLY COULD BE A BUILDING IN OUR FUTURE.

>> IS THAT THE HURRICANE FUND THOUGH?

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>> NO, THIS IS ALL THE ACTIVITY FROM COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND SUCH LIKE THAT. SO, YOU KNOW, THE PRIMARY REVENUE SERVICE IS INSPECTION AND LICENSING FEES.

SO I BUDGETED ABOUT $62 MIL MILLION.

ALREADY RECEIVED $9 20,000 AND 15% COLLECTION WHICH IS ABOUT RIGHT. AND SO AS THIS MONEY IS COMING IN, YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT.

AND TRAY CAN ADDRESS THAT. THAT WILL DO IT FOR MY END.

>> JUST SO ON THE BUILDING F FUND, GENS KIND OF ALLUDED TO IT EARLIER LOOKING AT THE ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING, WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT SITE PLANNING THAT FACILITY.

POTENTIAL -- THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUILDING COULD GO ON THAT SAME PROPERTY. I THINK THE KEY IS AS RICH ALLUDED TO IS WE ARE A YEAR AND A HALF -- WELL, NOT QUITE A YEAR AND A HALF INTO THE F FOUR-YEAR MARK AND WE NEED TO START MAKING A PLAN TO USE THAT MONEY OR DO SOMETHING ELSE AS ALLOWED BY STATUTE WHICH IS TO REPATE THE MONEY BACK.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT BEFORE WE MOVE ON? NEXT SLIDE. FEE SCHEDULES.

WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL FEE CHANGES.

WE HAVE ASKED THE DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT WHAT FEES THEY ARE CHARGING AND EVALUATE THAT AGAINST WHAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING TO BOTH MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE IN LINE WITH OTHER COUNTIES AND LOOK FOR POTENTIAL PLACES WHERE WE MAY BE MISSING SOMETHING THAT WE EITHER -- A SERVICE WE CAN OFFER OR SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT CHARGING FOR THAT WE SHOULD BE OR SOMETHING THAT WE ARE NOT CHARGING THE RIGHT FEE FOR.

THAT IS BEING DONE CURRENTLY BY THE COUNTY STAFF.

NEXT SLIDE. THE POTENTIAL STATUTE CHANGES.

I AM ACTUALLY GOING TO DEFER TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OF OFFICE. DO YOU WANT -- IF NOT, THAT IS FINE. I WILL GET IT.

>> I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> BASICALLY TWO BILLS GOING THROUGH THAT STEAL WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

TRYING TO OUTLINE THE POTENTIAL HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION IMPACT.

THE ONE IS ABOUT A $2 MILLION IMPACT POTENTIALLY AND THE OTHER IS BASED ON CLASSIFICATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE INITIAL IMPACT LOOKS LIKE FOR 1,000 HOMES WOULD BE ABOUT $430,000 FOR EACH THOUSAND HOME.

SO IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOME STUFF TO THOSE TWO BILLS OR DO YOU WANT TO -- I WILL DEFER TO BOTH OF YOU.

>> ON INCREASE FOR THE AC ACTIVE-DUTY MILITARY --

>> JUST IN ALL DOWN. THERE YOU GO.

>> INCREASE ON ACTIVE-DUTY MILITARY, FIRE FIGHTERS, TEACHERS. WE DON'T COLLECT THAT INFORMATION WHAT THEIR OCCUPATION IS AND NO WAY TO COME UP WITH WHAT I78 PACT IS. THE HOUSE BILL 1503 IS ON THE SECOND 25,000 AND REMOVING THE LANGUAGE OF 50 TO 75,000 AND LEAVING IT AT 50,000 AND ANY HOUSE ASSESSED OVER 50,000 WOULD POTENTIALLY HAVE AN INCREASE IN THE EXEMPTION.

THEY ARE HAVING US GO TO THE FINANCE AUTHORITY COMMITTEE AND THE PERCENTAGE OF CHANGE THAT THEY PUBLISHED WHICH WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL. IF THIS PASSED IN '21, IT WILL BE 24.8% OR $5,000 FOR ANY HOUSE THAT IS ASSESSED OVER $50,000. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE LAST TIME THEY HAD AN EXEMPTION INCREASE ON THE BALLOT, IT DID

NOT PASS. >> HOWEVER, THIS PROPOSAL IS A

CONSTITUTIONAL AMOUNT, CORRECT? >> THE LAST TIME WE HAD A CONGRESSIONAL AMENDMENT, IT DID NOT PASS.

>> IT DID NOT PASS? >> CORRECT.

>> WAS IT WORDED SIMILARLY 13 ANY HOUSE OVER $100,000.

AN ADDITIONAL $25,000 EXEMPTION AND DID NOT PASS.

IT WAS WORDED SECOND TO THE -- SIMILAR TO THE SECOND ONE.

>> DID IT DESIGNATE CERTAIN PROFESSIONS?

>> NO, IT DID NOT. FOR EVERY HOME OVER $100,000.

WE HAVE -- I KNOW I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THOSE PEOPLE WITH A DESIGNATION. MY CONCERN IS IT ELIMINATES OUR COUNTRY EMPLOYEES WHICH IS JUST AS ESSENTIAL AS A PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE IS JUSTICE AS ESSENTIALED A CCFR EMPLOYEE ARE WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WILL GO.

I THOUGHT THAT USUALLY WHEN THINGS GOT ON CONSTITUTIONAL AMOUNT, THEY PASSED. THAT IS INTERESTING INFOR

INFORMATION. >> WE WERE SURPRISED IT DIDN'T

PASS. >> I THINK THAT WAS A NUMBER OF CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS AND I WAS SURPRISED WHEN THAT HAPPENED. THIS WAS MORE WHEN WE WERE IN

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FIRST ONE IS NOT ONE THAT WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT.

ADDITIONAL MONIES ON TOP OF THE OTHER HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION THAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT FOR CERTAIN PROFESSION.

AND OF COURSE THEY LEAVE MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WHETHER IT IS SUPPORT STAFF NURSES.PAS, THEY LEAVE THEM OUT.

GROCERY STORE CLERKS. COUNTY EMPLOYEES IF THEY WERE LOOKING TO DO ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL THAT WOK FLEW THE PANDEMIC, THEY MISSED A NUMBER OF CATEGORIES THAT PARTICIPATED IN MAKING SURE SOCIETY CONTINUED TO ROLL FORWARD NOT SURE WHERE THAT WILL ROLL FORWARD IN THE LEGISLATURE AND ALSO WILL BE A CONSTITUTIONAL BALLOT AMENDMENT BEING VOTED ON

BY THE VOTERS. >> LIKE COMMISSIONER CELLA SAID, TWA IT WAS TARGETED TOWARD ESSENTIAL WORKERS, I THINK THEY MISSED THE MARK. IF IT IS TARGETED TOWARD AFFORDABLE -- AFFORDABLE OF HOUSING.

I WOND OTHER SERVED IN THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE WHO SERVED IN THE MILITARY THAT -- EVERY ACTIVE-DUTY MILITARY GETS A HOUSING ALLOWANCE AND ADJUSTED FOR THE LOANING ECONOMY.

I THINK THEY MISSED THE MARK TOO.

I HATE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I AM FORMER MILITARY, BUT TO THE DETRIMENT OF THE COUNTIES THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THIS LEGISLATION, I THINK THEY MISSED THE MARK SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND I DON'T SUPPORT IT. >> THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THIS OUT OF SALES TAX INSTEAD OF OUR HIDE.

THAT IS MY SAW. IT IS GREAT TO GIVE ALL THOSE GREAT PEOPLE IS RAISE, AND THEY DESERVE IT, BUT TO DO IT OUT OF OUR MONEY, AND FOR DOING IT, THAT DONE FEEL GOOD.

>> SO WE HAVE AN IDEA? SAYS POTENTIAL IMPACT OF THE HB 1503 IS A LITTLE UNDER $2 MILLION.

THE SECOND ONE IS ABOUT A $430,000 IMPACT FOR THOUSAND HOMES. HOW MANY HOMES DO WE HAVE?

IS IT TEN -- TEN TIMES THAT? >> WITHOUT KNOWING HOW MANY ACTIVE-DUTY MILL, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE RESCUE PERSONNEL, I MEAN, AS CLOSE AS WE ARE TO THE BASIS, I WOULD ASSUME WE HAVE A HIGH VOLUME OF ACTIVE-DUTY MILITARY, SO I

DON'T KNOW. >> 69,000 HOMES ROUGHLY.

30%. >> WE HAVE GOT ABOUT 50,000 WITH HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. SO.

>> SO WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT IS 25,000 WITH THIS LIST OR 40,000. 10,000, WE HAVE NO IDEA.

WELL, I KNOW THEY SAID IT WAS -- IT WOULD BE $344 PER HO HOUSEHOLD WHAT THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES OF THOSE HOMES TO HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL EXEMPTION.

>> I HAVE GOT A FEW. ARE YOU ALSO --

[3.  Potential Statute Changes/ Unfunded Project List ( C. Latham/R. Kantor)]

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE A FEW OTHERS THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO YOU. BY THE WAY THE FIRST TWO BILLS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BOTH HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED THREE COMMITTEES AN BOTH HAVE THEIR FIRST COMMITTEE APPEARANCE THIS MORNING AND START TO SEE WHERE THE MOMENTUM IS AS EARLY AS THIS AFTERNOON. COUPLE OF OTHER ONES.

SENATE BILL 974, HOUSE BILL 985 IS SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY.

AND THE FLORIDA STATUTE CAPS TORT RECOVERY FROM GOVERNMENT ENTITY AT $200,000 PER PERSON AND $300,000 WE ARE ACCIDENT.

AND THIS BILL WILL INCREASE THE CAP ON THE ABILITY OF DAMAGES AGAINST THE STATE AND ITS AGENCIES TO $1 MILLION PER PERSON. SO WE ARE GOING TO SEE HOW THAT -- WE WILL BE TRACKING THAT ONE AS WELL TO SEE HOW IT GOES.

>> WHAT IS THE NUMBER? >> GOING FROM $1200,000.

>> HOUSE BILL. >> HOUSE BILL SENATE BILL 974,

HOUSE BILL 985. >> YEAH, I WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE THOSE VIA E-MAIL AS I HAVE DONE HERE IN THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS. ALSO, SENATE BILL 620, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, IS THE BUSINESS DAMAGES CAUSED BY LOCAL GOVERNMENT BILL. THAT IS TRYING FLEW -- HEAVILY SPONSORED BY THE SENATE PRESIDENT WILTON SIMPSON AND

GOING ON THE FLOOR. >> THAT IS THIS AFTERNOON,

RIGHT? >> YES, SIR.

SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE WILL BE DEALING WITH SHORTLY MUCH LIKE HOUSE BILL 403. SENATE BILL 280 WHICH I CALL THE ECONOMIC -- WELL, I AM SORROW.

I GOT CONFUSED WITH THE OTHER ONE.

THE 280 SENATE BILL REQUIRES LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO CRAFT AN

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THAT ONE HAS GONE THROUGH VERY QUICKLY AS WELL.

BOTH OF THESE BILLS HAD ONE OTHER COMMITTEE WAIVED WHICH IS ABOUT THE BIGGEST RED LIGHT YOU CAN NOTE OR SEE ABOUT -- ABOUT -- IT IS MOVING QUICKLY AND HEAVILY SPONSORED.

THE SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY BILL. HAS BEEN ASSIGNED COMMITTEE.

AND NONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS HAVE BEEN SET AND LETS ME TO BELIEVE MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH TRACTION THIS YEAR AND WE WILL KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. THOSE ARE THE OTHERS THINK THAT

BROUGHT FOR TODAY. >> ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK WE WANT TO CRAFT A RESOLUTION ON FLORIDA THIS COMMITTEE OR FROM THIS -- THIS GROUP TO THE -- TO THE GOVERNOR AND TO THE -- TO

OUR HELP TIFFS? >> I THINK IT WILL MAKE SENSE

FOR US TO VOCALIZE OUR CONCERN. >> IF WE DON'T TAKE A POSITION, WE HAVE GOT NO -- NO RECOURSE TO COMBINED.

AT LEAST IF WE LET THEM KNOW AHEAD OF TIME, HEY, WE DON'T LIKE THIS OR WE THINK THIS WILL HURT THE COUNTY, PLEASE DON'T VOTE FOR IT. IF THEY GO AHEAD AND DO AND THEY ARE UNDER -- THEY REPORT TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAN WE DO. AT LEAST WE ARE ON RECORD SAYING WE DIDN'T LIKE IT. AND WHEN IT COMES SOMETIME TO VOTED WE TAKE OUR POSITION AND LET US KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO DO TO OUR GUYS, OUR CITIZENS. MAYBE YOU CAN CRAFT UP.

I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES ARE THE WORSE, BUT PICK TWO OR THREE AND LET'S GET ON RECORD IF WE FEEL LIKE IT AND THEN BRING IT UP PRETTY QUICK HERE AND CONSIDERING VOTING ON IT.

>> PARTICULAR JUMP IN, MR. CHAIR, I THINK THAT IS -- THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. ALTHOUGH A COUPLE OF THESE ARE MOVING SO FAST I THINK THEY WILL BE GONE BEFORE WE CAN EVEN

CRAFT A RESOLUTION. >> THE GOVERNOR STILL HAS A

CHANCE TO DO SOMETHING. >> THE OTHER THING THAT WE -- AS REPRESENTATIVES, OUR CONSTITUENTS ON -- THE LOWEST RUNG OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT NEED TO REACH UP AND CALL THOSE SENATORS AND REPRESENT THAT I WAS ARE ON THESE COMMITTEES.

I CALLED ILEANA GARCIA'S OFFICE YESTERDAY.

THE VICE-CHAIR OF THE COMMUNITY -- SOMETHING OR OTHER COMMITTEE AND JIM BRADLEY IS THE CHAIRMAN -- JEN BRADLEY IS THE CHAIRMAN.

OF COURSE WE TALKED TO HER IN PERSON AND I LEFT WORD AT SENATOR GARCIA'S OFFICE THAT WE ARE NONE TOO HAPPY OF ANY ONE OF THESE BILLS AND THAT SHE SHOULD RECONSIDER.

I AM SURE IF WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE CALLING AND LEAVING MESSAGES IN THAT SAME VAIN AND FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS, MAYBE IT WILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT TO -- I SENT OUT A FLIER YESTERDAY WITH THE INFORMATION WHO IS ON THOSE COMMITTEES AND HOW DO GET

A HOLD OF THEM. >> SENATE BILL 620, BECAUSE THE TWO COMMITTEES HAVE PASSED 7.4 AND 11.7.

>> PARTY LINES. >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. IS THAT IS IT?

THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE THREE TO FIVE-YEAR CIP AND UNFUNDED PROJECT LIST. THIS WAS -- WE WERE ASKED TO SHOW WHAT PROJECTS WERE SITTING OUT THERE IN YEARS THREE TO FIVE. AND GENERATE MORE REVENUE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND WHICH PROJECTS ARE CURRENTLY UNFUNDED BECAUSE SIT IN YEAR SIX THROUGH TEN. THAT IS WHAT THESE TWO LISTS SHOW YOU. SO NEXT SLIDE.

SO -- >> BEFORE WE -- LET'S --

>> GO BACK ONE. >> THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE. YOU KNOW I LOOK AT -- I LOOK AT TOWER CLASSROOM BOARDWALK. OPPORTUNITIES TO COLLABORATE WITH EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND TEAM UP FOR GRANTS WITH CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT. AND I KNEW THAT FOR A FACT DUE TO THE FACT MY WIFE AND I WROTE ONE MANY YEARS AGO THAT TEAMED UP WITH CLAY COUNTY SCHOOLS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER -- WE LOOKED AT ALL THESE PROJECTS AND -- WHAT IS THE POTENTIAL OUT THERE TO TEAM UP WITH SOMEBODY.

AND ACHIEVE A GRANT FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS?

>> I AM SURE WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THOSE.

THIS WAS JUST A REFLECTION OF WHAT WAS ALREADY IN YOUR ADOPTED THREE TO FIVE-YEAR PLAN.

BUT, YES, WE CAN -- CURRENTLY LOOKING FOR GRANTS AND PARTNERSHIPS. WE HAD A MEETING YESTERDAY AND A REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OF THE UNIVERSITIES TO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT GRANTS COMBINED WITH THEM.

AND WE ARE CONTINUING TO DO THAT.

>> AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THE INTENT OF THIS SLIDE IS TO

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SO ANYTHING THREE TO FIVE AS TROY BRIEFED.

AND THEN WE TAKE IT OUT THE YEARS SIX THROUGH 10.

AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE A FIRE STATION AND A MUCH-NEEDED PUBLIC SERVICE IN A PARTICULAR AREA.

AS WE LOOK AT REVENUES THAT FUND THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS, AS WE COME TO YOU AND TALK ABOUT THESE ALTERNATIVE REV REVENUES. YOU WOULD ASK ME, WELL, HOW WOULD YOU PAY FOR THAT FIRE STATION THAT IS IN EITHER THREE, FOUR OR FIVE? AND I WOULD SAY, IT WOULD BE THIS WAY. SO I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS -- AGAIN TO STRESS THIS, THIS WAS BROUGHT TO THE BOARD FOR THE BUDGETARY REQUIREMENTS FOR A FIVE-YEAR CIP PLAN THAT THE BOARD VOTED ON AND I INSTRUCTED TROY AND THE TEAM TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT IF YOU WANTED TO BRING SOMETHING UP IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT ON THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS. IT COULD BE FIRE STATION.

A MOCASSIN SLOUGH. MEGAN IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND TALKING OF ANOTHER WAY TO OBTAIN REVENUE THROUGH DONATION AND SPONSORSHIP THROUGH A PROGRAM THERE AND MEGAN WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND TAKE THIS ON BOARD AND SEE WHO WE CAN PARTNER WITH ON THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

>> MAYBE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR MOCK SKIN SLOUGH

EDUCATION CENTER. >> REFER TO YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE GRANT. I DON'T KNOW IF KIMBERLY AND

JUSTIN WANTS TO SPEAK AT THAT. >> WE HAVE A GRANT TO BUY THE PROPERTY. IN THAT CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE. AND I WILL DEFER TO.JU

>> JUSTIN: EN WHAT REQUIREMENTS ARE.

>> AS PART OF THE GRANT -- I FORGOT ABOUT.

WE WILL NEED TO ADD A NATURE CENTER, RESTAURANT FACILITY, OARDWALK AND OBSERVATION TOWER AS PART OF COMPLETING THAT

GRANT. >> THE GRANT TO PURCHASE THE

PROPERTY? >> YES, SIR.

>> WHAT YEAR DID THAT TAKE PLACE?

>> I THINK 2017 IS WHEN THE GRANT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FULL FILLED AND AN EXTENSION ON THAT AND LOOK FORWARD TO EXPLORING PROPERTIES AND MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GRANT.

>> 2017. >> IF WE DON'T MAKE IT, DO THEY

TAKE THE PROPERTY TAX? >> NO, SIR.

>> TAKE THE MONEY BACK. >> YOU COULD BE ON THE HOOK TO

PAY BACK MONEY. >> THAT IS THE WAY THAT WORKS.

THEY DON'T WANT THE PROPERTY. THEY WANT THE MONEY.

THANK YOU. >> NEXT SLIDE.

[4.  Alternate Revenues (T. Nagle)]

>> PUBLIC SERVICE TAX 4%? >> NEXT SLIDE.

CURRENTLY CAN BE ON ELECTRIC, WATER AND LP GAS.

FOR ELECTRIC AND LP GAS, 4%. WATER.

THIS IS A MUNICIPAL OR CHARTER COUNTY TAX.

ST. JOHNS, THEY ARE NOT ALL ALLOWED.

CURRENTLY I LISTED OUT HOW MANY COUNTIES IMPLEMENT AND AT WHAT RATE FOR SOME INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.

>> HOW LONG HAVE WE BEEN AT 4%? >> WE HAVE BEEN AT 4%.

>> SINCE WE IMPLEMENTED IT. >> SINCE WE IMPLEMENTED IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DATE ON THAT.

>> LONG TIME. >> LONG TIME.

I THINK THAT WAS BEFORE THAT POTENTIALLY.

>> I THINK IT WAS EARLY 2000S. >> ONE CHANCE TO INCREASE IT WHEN GEORGE BUSH WAS ON THE BOARD.

>> AND WE LISTED HOW MUCH 1% GENERATES.

ABOUT $1 MILLION FOR ELECTRIC. ABOUT 60 FOR LP GAS.

AND IMPLEMENT WATER, $176,000 PER 1% ANNUALLY.

AND THE MAXIMUM IS 10%. AND I DID KNOW ON HERE THAT FLORIDA STATUTE DOES ALLOW THE EXEMPTION THAT WE DO 4.5 KILO WATSD OF ELECTRIC. PEOPLE WHO USE VERY LITTLE ELECTRIC. FIXED INCOME.

THAT TYPE. NEXT SLIDE.

THIS SLIDE IS A LITTLE HARD TO READ, BUT WHAT WE DID DO IS LIST OUT -- SOME OF THE COUNTIES, CITIES AROUND US INCLUDING ONES INSIDE OF CLAY COUNTY AND EAR COUNTIES TO KIND OF SHOWING YOU THE DISPARITY BETWEEN HOW MUCH ELECTRIC GAS -- HOW MUCH OTHER PEOPLE ARE CHARGING AROUND THE AREA.

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>> GREEN CO SPRINGS IS CHARGING 10% ON ELECTRIC?

>> I AM LOOKING AT THE CITY MANAGER NODDING HIS HEAD IN

CONFIRMATION. >> ORANGE PARK IS 10% AS OF RECENT. AND IT STARTED AT ZERO.

>> ON ELECTRICITY? AND THEY ARE LISTED ON THERE AS

10%? >> EVERYBODY WITH IS 10% BUT

US. >> GO BACK ONE SLIDE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, 11 COUNTIES, EIGHT OF THEM AT 10%.

ONE -- EIGHT AT TEN%, ONE IS AT 4%.

THE SAME THING WITH LP GAS OPINION.

ONE IS AT 8% AND TWO AT 4% WITH US BEING ONE OF THE ONES AT 4%.

>> WHAT CAN WE DO WITH THE MONEY.

GENERAL FUND. >> GENERAL FUND, UNRESTRICTED

REVENUE. >> WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SPEND IT ON CAPITAL PROJECTS. WE CAN USE IT FOR SALARIES?

>> YOU CAN USE IT AS A GENERAL FUND REVENUE.

>> MIGHT NEED IT TO UPSET THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

>> JUST ABOUT A WASH. >> THE -- IF WE DID SOMETHING WITH WATER CAN WE EX-EFFORT THE FIRST TIER.

>> YNG FLORIDA STATUE ALLOWS YOU TO EXEMPT ANY OF THE WATER.

WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU.

NOT AN EXEMPTION FOR WATER. >> WE COULD?

>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CREATE EXEMPTION.

CERTAIN INDUSTRIES THAT ARE EXEMPTED FROM ELECTRIC AND WATER BUT I DON'T THINK YOU WILL IMPOSE A EXEMPTION.

THE ELECTRIC IS SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT THAT YOU CAN ACCEPT

IT. >> WE WILL LOOK.

>> THE WATER RATES ARE SET. THE FIRST TIER IS PRETTY MUCH THE ENTRY LEVEL AND YOU WANT EVERYBODY TO BE ABLE TO GET AS CHEAP A WATER AS THEY CAN AND THEY HAVE BEEN INCENTIVIZE TO PRESERVE WATER AND IN THAT RESPECT, WILL BE HELPING THEM OUT HERE IF WE HAVE DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> I WOULD DEFER TO LEGAL STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE WHAT

THEY CAN DO. >> YEAH, LOOK AT -- THEY GOT THE -- IF YOU LOOK AT ST. AUGUSTINE UNDER NATURAL GAS, THEY HAVE 10% ON THE FIRST $ $100.

AND 1% EVERY AFTER THAT. SO THERE ARE EXEMPTIONS.OTHER

LOCAL AREAS. >> 2004 -- THE FIRST EFFECTIVE

DATE WAS JANUARY OF 2004. >> GOOD JOB.

MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE YOU START DOING DEVELOPMENT HISTORY.

MY FRIEND DID. [LAUGHTER]

>> SO -- BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM PUBLIC SERVICE, AND I GUESS EACH OF THESE ITEMS. IF THERE ARE DIRECTIONS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO PROCEED ON A, IF -- IF -- BY CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD STAFF WILL LIKE DIRECTION TO GO AHEAD

AND KNOW WHAT WE WORK ON. >> WELL, I HAVE TALKED A LOT ABOUT EVERYBODY PAYING A LITTLE BIT THE PROBLEM WITH DOING THE WHOLE NORTH CAROLINA STRATEGY ON AD VALOREM TAX, THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS PAYING FOR 80% OF GOVERNMENT, YET WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE THAT RENT, THAT DON'T PAY ANYTHING NECESSARILY ALTHOUGH THE LANDLORDS DO.

SO I LIKE A TAX OR INCOME STREAM THAT HAS EVERYBODY P PAYING A BUCK AS OPPOSED TO 50% OF THE PEOPLE PAYING -- PAYING.

I LIKE -- I LIKE THE IDEA. WATER, WE DON'T HAVE ANY TAX ON AT ALL. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE OUGHT TO TAKE A LOOK AT FOR SURE AS FAR AS RAISING THE ELECTRIC, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO GO TO 10%, BUT I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE WE NEED FUND FOR FIRE STATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND TO GIVE OUR POLICEMEN A RAISE OR FIRE FIGHTERS A RAISE. SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY USES.

>> UTILITY TAX HITS HE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTS HITS PROFIT, NONPROFIT, AND ALL THOSE CATEGORIES REQUIRE THE SERVICES THAT THIS WOULD FUND. AS OPPOSED TO AD VALOREM WHICH IS PROPERTY OWNERS. STRICTLY PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO I FOUND IN THE PAST THAT UTILITY TAX IS A GOOD WAY TO

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KIND OF A ESSENTIAL NECESSITY OF LIFE.

>> THAT IS WHY I AM SAYING THAT IF WE CAN EXEMPT FIRST TIER, PRETTY MUCH EVERYBODY'S DRINKING WATER.

IF YOU SPRINKLE YOUR LAWN, YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR IT

THAN YOU SHOULD. >> CLAY UTILITY HAVE MEASURES TO CURB USAGE FOR THE UPPER TIERS, BUT THEN AGAIN, IT'S EXCESS EX-EXCESSIVE USE AND THE WHERE WE GET TO THE HIGHER

YEARS. >> LET LEGAL LOOK AT IT AND SEE

WHAT WE CAN DO. >> I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF RAISING

THE UTILITY TAX. >> THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH KEYSTONE NOT HAVING ANYTHING ON THERE.

> KEYSTONE HEIGHTS ASSESSES THEIR OWN.

THAT IS NOT WHERE. >> 5% ON WATER.

0% ON GAS. >> WE DON'T HAVE GAS.

THAT'S WHY. ZERO IN GAS.

IT IS NOT AVAILABLE. >> 9.4 ON ELECTRIC.

THEY CHARGE IT. >> I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE ESTIMATES OF REVENUE WHEN YOU PRESENT THIS.

IF WE GO TO 9% -- MULTIPLY THEM OUT SO WE CAN SEE.

>> WE CAN DO A TABLE FOR YOU. UNTIL ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

YOU ARE GOOD. I FLIPPED ONE TOO MANY IN MY PACKET. LOCAL BUSINESS TAX.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS. IT WAS BASICALLY BE ENACTED BY ORDINANCES. COUNTIES COLLECT THIS THROUGH THEIR TAX COLLECTOR. 17,000 BUSINESSES REGISTERED.

THIS WAS THEIR FOUR -- OFF THEIR WEB SITE THE FOUR MOST POPULAR THAT MOST PEOPLE FALLEN TOO.

YOU GET RANGE. PER STATUTE AND IMPACT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES AND DOES IT OVERRIDE THE CITY AND THE DOES THE CITIES COST SHARE. I WILL LEAVE IT TO LEGAL TO COME BACK WITH ANALYSIS ON THAT.

I WOULDN'T TO EMPHASIZE NOT A REVENUE GENERATOR.

IF YOU IMPLEMENT A LICENSE, YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO HAVE ENFORCEMENT AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES TO GO WITH IT. REALLY MORE OF INTANGIBLE BENEFITS OF YOU HAVING A REGISTER FOR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

YOU WORKING WITH DOR. IF YOU HAVE A LIST OF BUSINESSES THAT DOR ARE SAYING THAT ALL THOSE BUSINESSES ARE PAYING SALES TAX, NOT A DIRECT REVENUE GENERATOR.

THERE ARE INTANGIBLES TO IT. AND I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND I THINK STEVE IS HERE -- DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, SIR? OH, ALL RIGHT.

>> THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT ARE LISTED THERE A ONE-TIME

REGISTRATION? >> PER YEAR.

>> PER YEAR. >> ANNUAL.

>> LANGUAGE IN THE STATUTE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO BE COMPARABLE TO YOUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES AND WHY I REFERENCED THOSE.

WAYS IN THE STATUTE TO CHANGE THOSE FEES BUT AS A POINT OF REFERENCE. I THINK MOST OF THE MUNICIPALITIES, IF NOT, I DON'T KNOW IF -- I KNOW GREEN COVE, MORRIS PARK HAS A BUSINESS LICENSE AND I'M PRETTY SURE KEYSTONE HAS A BUSINESS LICENSE.

>> YES. I THINK IT IS $25 A YEAR.

>> THEY ARE IMPLEMENTED AT THE MUNICIPALITY LEVEL CURRENTLY.

>> COLLATERAL REQUIREMENT IS THAT ANYONE IN THE -- THAT WANTS TO DO BUSINESS IN THE COUNTY HAS TO BE REGISTERED AND LICENSED. AND WHERE THIS WOULD HELP OUR CONSTITUENTS IS DUVSHING A -- NATURAL WEATHER EVENT AND YOU HAVE TREE TRIMMERS COMING FROM -- WE HAVE NO CONTROL.3 WE HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE. WE HAVE NO -- YOU KNOW, NO CONTROL OVER THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ARE SERVING OUR CONSTITUENTS, WHATEVER THAT MEANS.

WE RUN INTO A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

SO THIS COULD BE A CONTROL WE IMPLEMENT TO TRY TO HELP OUR CONSTITUENTS GET THROUGH SOME OF THE NORMAL PROCESS AS WELL

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>> YEAH, I SAY THIS MORE AS A DATA CONNECTION START OF SITUATION THAN A REVENUE SOURCE, BUT, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE GOT OUR FIREMEN RUNNING TO A GARAGE ON FIRE AND NO IDEA AND IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS CAN GET AN INVENTORY OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AND TELL YOU HOW MANY HAIRDRESSERS WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY AND THAT KIND OF THING WHICH WE DON'T REALLY KNOW RIGHT NOW. I AM NOT SURE -- IS IT -- IS THE TAX ON TABLES AND CHAIRS AND ALL THAT STUFF STILL IN EFFECT, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX? SOMEBODY KNOW?

>> INTANGIBLE. >> INTANGIBLE TAX.

>> I THINK IT IS. >> INTANGIBLE PROPERTY TAX.

>> THIS IS WHERE THIS WILL REALLY KICK IN, I THINK.

>> WE HAVE REVENUES AND DO WE HAVE AN IDEA WITH

IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROGRAM. >> IF THE BOARD DESCRIBES THE DIRECTION TO DO THE RESEARCH, WE WILL COME BACK.

IN TALKING WITH ST. JOHNS COUNTY, GENERATED 600,000 A YEAR AND REVENUE NEUTRAL AND THEY GENERATE.

THEY MAKE 100,000 OFF OF IT AT THE END OF THE DAY.

>> THEY DO IT THROUGH THE TAX COLLECTOR?

>> THEY DO THIS THROUGH THE TAX COLLECTOR.

ENFORCEMENT THROUGH THEIR ST STAFF.

BUT THE TAX COLLECTOR -- YOU GO TO THE TAX COLLECTOR TO GET YOUR MONEY AND LICENSE. THE COUNTY WILL ENFORCE IT THROUGH THEIR CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION.

SO -- BUT THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT REALLY A REVENUE GENERATE ERR BECAUSE ADDING STAFF TO DO THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE AND DO THE INSPECTIONS AND MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE THE LICENSE AND

PROPERLY REGISTERED. >> THANKS.

>> THAT HAS BEEN ORANGE PARK'S EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.

I HEARD HORROR STORIES THEY REALLY CAN'T ENFORCE IT.

AND HAVE A PROBLEM FIGURING OUT IF SOMEONE HAS ONE OR NOT.

>> DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO ENFORCE IT, BUT PROVIDES A CONTROL, HOWEVER ROBUST THAT CONTROL MAY BE, OVER BUSINESS.

YOU KNOW THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO GET A LICENSE, AND SO IF THEY KNOW PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE CAUTIOUS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. IF THEY KNOW NOBODY IS WATCHING, KATIE BAR THE DOOR. BUT A REAL EXAMPLE, WE HAD A CODE ENFORCEMENT ACTION RECENTLY AGAINST A PROPERTY OWNER. AND WHEN I REACHED -- NATU NATURALLY, WE DON'T KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER ISN'T A BUSINESS IN CLAY COUNTY, BECAUSE WE DON'T TRACK IT.

BUT WHEN I TRACKED IT -- RESEARCHED IT THROUGH SUN BIZ.

I REALIZED HE WASN'T REGISTERED AS SUN BIZ.

HIS PROPERTY WAS LISTED AS A BUSINESS.

BUT NON -- DEPARTMENT DOR DOES -- I DON'T KNOW HOW REGULATORY.

HOW ROBUST THEIR -- THEIR REGULATORY ACTIONS ARE, BUT, YOU KNOW, -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PEOPLE HAVE CLAIMED THEIR BUSINESS OPERATING IN OUR COUNTY THAT ARE NOT A BUSINESS AND ARE NOT REGISTERED TO DO BUSINESS.

WHATEVER VIOLATIONS THEY HAVE AND THEY ARE SERVING OUR PUBLIC AND THAT IS NOT RIGHT. I THINK AN ACTION TO CORRAL THE PROBLEM IN THE COUNTY IS WELL WORTH THE EFFORTS.

AND REVENUE NEUTRAL. I THINK OUR CONSTITUENTS NEED RELIABLE ROOFERS, RELIABLE TREE TRIMMERS, RELIABLE PET GRO GROOMERS, RELIABLE WHATEVER. AND THIS WILL BE ONE ACTION

THAT COULD HELP THAT PROCESS. >> INSTEAD OF A TAX, CALL IT A LICENSE. STATUTORILY VERBIAGE.

>> IT IS A TAX. >> IT IS A TAX.

>> THERE WAS A MOVE A FEW YEARS AGO TO CHANGE THAT IN STATE STATUTE AND THAT -- SOME OF THE ORDINANCES AND THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES GOT UPDATED BEAUSE THEY CHANGED THE

VERBIAGE. >> IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD A $30 TAX OR FEE, I QUESTION WHAT KIND OF BUSINESS YOU ARE

RUNNING. >> TO COMMISSIONER RENNINGER'S POINT. WHEN PEOPLE COME IN TO PAY TAX, DO THEY HAVE TO PAY ANY KIND OF STATE, INCORPORATION PAPERS, LLC, NONFICTITIOUS NAME CERTIFICATE?

DO THEY GO ALONG WITH THAT? >> WE RESEARCHED THE ST. JOHNS APPLICATION, ON THE APPLICATION YOU HAVE TO CHECK CERTAIN BOXES WITHIN THE CERTAIN ZONING.

IT IS WHAT IS ON THE APPLICATION.

>> I THINK THAT ACTUALLY HELPS US WITH THE ZONING IN TERMS OF SOMEBODY COMING IN TO APPLY FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE AND THEIR ADDRESS THAT THEY ARE REPORTING TO DO BUSINESS AT ISN'T ZONED FOR THAT PICK BUSINESS, WE CAN CATCH IT RIGHT UP FRONT RATHER

THAN DOWN THE LINE. >> ALSO APPLY FOR BUSINESSES

OUT OF A HOME? >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> THAT -- THAT IS A WHOLE CATEGORY WE -- WE PROBABLY AT LEAST OUGHT TO HAVE ONE EYE ON AND GET THESE SITUATIONS WHERE

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ARE FIXES CARS AND SOMETHING. >> WE WILL JUST NEED TO LOOK WITH THE NEW STATUTE WHERE THE GOVERNOR ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE THE HOME-BASED BUSINESSES. ENOUGH PRESERVATION IN THERE.

>> AND LOOKING FOR DIRECTIONS, SOMETHING THAT WE SPENT TIME RESEARCHING AND DEVELOPING AND IF THERE IS CONSENSUS FROM THE BOARD SOMETHING TO SPEND STAFF TIME ON.

AND GO BACK AND DO THE RESEARCH ON AND COME BACK WITH

RECOMMENDATIONS. >> I THINK RESEARCH OUGHT TO INCLUDE ESTIMATE. I THINK IT OUGHT TO BE REVENUE NEUTRAL. WHAT REGULATORY ACTIONS COULD WE TAKE TO MAKE -- STAY WITHIN NEUTRALITY.

WE CAN REQUIRE -- EXCUSE ME, INSURANCE REQUIREMENTS.

WE COULD REQUIRE PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATIONS.

WE COULD RESEARCH THOSE AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE HONEST AND TELLING YOU ASC CERTIFIED FOR AN AUTOMATIC MECHANIC OR BACK YARD MECHANIC. ONCE AGAIN BUT THAT TAKES TIME, STAFF TIME AND ALL THAT -- SO WHAT CAN WE DO REGULATORY WISE TO STAY REVENUE NEUTRAL AND STILL PROVIDE SOME CONTROL.

>> WILL BE APPROPRIATE TO GET THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE INVOLVED IN THIS AND GIVE US A HAND WITH IT?

>> I THINK THE LAST TIME THAT WE LOOKED INTO THIS, I THINK THEY WERE AGAINST IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF A

HELPING HAND THEY WILL LEND. >> WELL, IF YOU KNOW IT IS COMING, YOU PROBABLY WANT TO HELP CRAFT IT SO IT IS

PALATABLE, I WOULD THINK. >> BASED ON WHAT I AM HEARING, SEEMS LIKE THERE IS CONSENSUS FOR US TO AT LEAST DO MORE RESEARCH AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> MAKE IT SO. [LAUGHTER]

>> NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. IMPACT FEES.

AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE AT. WE PUT OUT THE RFQ FOR THE IMPACT FEES BASE NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

RESPONSES DUE JANUARY 27. WE COME TO FINANCE AND AUDIT ON THE 15TH OF FEBRUARY AND AWARD ON FEBRUARY 22.

THIS WILL REVIEW THE IMPLEMENTATION OF IMPACT FEES INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO PUBLIC SAFETY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, PARKS, COUNTY BUILDINGS AND LIBRARIES BASED ON THE COMMISSION'S DIRECTION AND JUST AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE ARE AT IN THE PROCESS. THIS IS ABOUT A TWO-YEAR PROCESS TO DO THIS, SO WE ARE ON.THE BEGINNING EDGE OF IT.

NEXT SLIDE. AND AT THIS POINT, ABOUT A CRA.

[5.  Community Redevelopment Agency (S. Kennedy/GCS)]

COVE SPRINGS TO TALK OF CRAS. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SIT THERE?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF I AM WORTHY OF THAT.

>> HE WOULD PREFER TO SIT FARTHER AWAY FROM US.

>> I HAVE A BRIEF AND HANDOUTS THAT I MADE FOR YOU, TOO.

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONERS AND --

>> JUST HIT -- HIT THE BUTTON ON THE MICROPHONE.

THERE YOU GO. >> FOR GRANTING A LITTLE MORE TIME TO -- TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC OF THE CRA.

I KNOW ONE THING THAT I AM VERY THANKFUL FOR HAVING LISTENED TO ALL THE DISCUSSION THAT THE CITY IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANIMAL CONTROL. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN SPAY, NEUTERING OR TRACKING FROM MY JURISDICTION.

>> HOW ABOUT WE RELEASE ALL THOSE CATS --

>> WE CAN MAKE A DEAL. [LAUGHTER]

>> WE WILL MOVE ON BEYOND THAT. >> YOU HAVE BEEN GENEROUS WITH YOUR TIME. TAKING TIME TALK WITH US AND WE APPRECIATE THAT AS WELL. I AM NOT GOING TO BELABOR A LOT OF THE ISSUE. YOU ALL HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF INFORMATION FROM MYSELF AND I AM SURE FROM STAFF RELATED TO THE -- THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AND THE -- THE PURPOSE THAT -- THAT IT CAN SERVE AND IT IS ALL GOOD.

>> WELL, THERE IS A PRINT COPY, STEVE.

IF YOU DELAY ONE MORE MINUTE, I THINK I CAN GET THIS GOING.

>> BUT, AGAIN, THE MEETING WITH STAFF, MEETINGS WITH COMMISSIONERS. AND AT THIS POINT, QUITE

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WE WOULD LIKE TO -- WE FEEL LIKE WE ANSWER QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE MORE QUESTIONS AND MORE THAN HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE. I DO WANT TO STRESS BEFORE I JUMP INTO A COUPLE OF THE SLIDES I HAVE THAT THAT THIS IS A PARTNERSHIP. THIS IS NOT -- AND PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT IT AS THIS IS JUST A GREEN COVE SPRINGS CRA PERIOD THAT ONLY GREEN COVE SPRINGS PROPERTIES CAN BE BENEFITED.

I WILL DISCUSS IN A MINUTE A POINT THAT ADDRESSES THAT.

BUT JUST, AGAIN, KEEP -- IF YOU DON'T MIND, YOUR EARS OPEN, YOUR MIND OPEN. THAT THIS IS NOT -- WE ARE -- BECAUSE WE SEE A -- A VALUE WITHIN OUR AREA.

BUT YOU ALL ARE LIKEWISE IN OUR AREA.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU BUILD UPON THAT WE HAVE, THE PURPOSE FROM OUR STANDPOINT AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU HAVE REVITALIZE SLUM AND BLIGHTED AREAS, REDEMPTION AND PREVENTION OF CRIME OF FO FOSTERING NEW DEVELOPMENT.

PROVIDING NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE AND PROVIDING JOB OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE CRA TO STIMULATE ADDITIONAL PRIVATE INVESTMENT. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED AND SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE NORTH PART OF THE COUNTY WITH THE GATEWAY. IF YOU TOOK -- FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM COMMISSIONER RENNINGER AND OTHERS, VERY MUCH THE SAME TIME OF THING TAKE AN AREA THAT NEEDS TO HAVE A BOOT AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT. AS I MENTIONED THAT, THE NORTH -- AND WE WOULD LOOK AT THE CRA YET ANOTHER COUNTY SUPPORT FOR AN INITIATIVE IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE COUNTY WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE, AS YOU ALL ACKNOWLEDGED BASED ON WHERE YOU ARE PUTTING SOME OF YOUR PAVING DOLLARS, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF GROWTH AND A LOT OF ACTIVITY GOING ON.

THE -- THE BENEFITS. TO TRANSFORM SPACES.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT -- I AM SORRY, I DIDN'T -- DIDN'T -- TRANSFORM SPACES. AND I -- I JUST MADE A COUPLE OF NOTES. IT MIGRATES FROM SUSPECTED ENVIRONMENTS AND AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT NECESSARILY INTERESTED IN PUTTING THEIR MONIES, BUILDING HOMES, WHATEVER, AND CONVERTS THOSE SUSPECTED AREAS INTO PROSPECTIVE AREAS AND MAKES THE -- THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT AND ENGAGEMENT. IT CONVERTS THOSE AREAS.

IT TAKES NORMAL TRADITIONAL AREAS AND REVITALIZES THEM TO A MORE PRODUCTIVE ASSET IN THE CITY/THE COUNTY.

CREATES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAX REVENUES AND ANOTHER SLIDE AND SOME OTHER INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED EARLIER THROUGH A STUDY THAT HAD BEEN DONE BY THE -- BY THE FLORIDA REDEVELOPMENT AREA. PRODUCED A NUMBER OF 19-1.

$19 FOR PRIVATE DOLLARS CAME IN.

TO THE AREA. FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT WAS -- THAT WAS PLEDGED EITHER -- WELL, PRIMARILY THROUGH THE INCREMENT OF THE PROPERTY TAX ON THE -- ON THE AREAS WITHIN -- WHERE THE CRA HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED.

SO YOU -- YOU GOT A -- KIND OF A COMPOUNDING BENEFIT OF THAT.

I WILL REFER TO IT AS THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EQUATION.

WHAT THIS CAN DO AND WOULD DO. AND IN MY VERY HUMBLE OPINION, IT WOULD CREATE MORE DEVELOPMENT.

MORE INVESTMENT CREATES MORE WAGES.

MORE WAGES CREATE MORE RETAIL. RETAIL MORE SERVICES.

MORE SERVICES, BASIS FOR HOUSING.

AND THEN IT STARTS OVER AGAIN DEPENDING ON WHERE -- WHERE YOU ARE WITHIN THE COUNTY. IT PUTS PEOPLE BACK TO WORK.

I THINK OUR EMPLOYMENT NUMBERS OR UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS THAT WERE REFERENCED BY CHAIRMAN OF STATE OF THE COUNTY ARE VERY LOW AND ADMIRABLE FOR OUR AREA. AND THERE IS A REASON OF THAT.

BUT THIS WOULD EN HORSE THAT AS WELL.

AND THE -- A POINT -- ENHANCE THAT AS WELL.

AND A POINT THAT SEVERAL AREAS HAD CRAS.

THE REVENUE STREAM COULD BE BONDED IF THE COUNTY WITH A

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ST. AUGUSTINE USES THEIR CRA FUNDS TO SERVICE THE DEBT ON THEIR VERY LARGE PARKING DECK FACILITY AND OTHER FACILITIES THEY HAVE WITHIN THE -- WITHIN THE CITY AREA.

FINANCIAL IMPACT. NEXT SLIDE.

I REFERENCED THIS ALREADY. RETURN ON PUBLIC FUNDS.

$19 TO ONE. AND THAT WAS A STUDY IN 2013.

AND JUST A POINT -- I DON'T WANT TO INSULT ANYONE'S UNDERSTANDING OF CRAS. NOT MY INTENT AT ALL, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS -- THAT THE CLARITY IS THERE AND SOMEWHAT THE SIMPLICITY IS THERE THAT -- AND -- AND THE NORMAL PROGRESSION OF A CRA, YOU ARE NOT LOSING MONIES THAT YOU ARE DOESN'T RECENTLY GI GIVING.

THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS ADDRESSED TODAY ON PROPERTY THAT IS IN THE CRA AREA WHICH WE WILL TALK TO IN JUST A SECOND. YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET THAT.

AND MONIES YOU ARE GETTING AND NOT NECESSARILY FROM YOU ALL BUT FROM OTHERS AS WELL AND TAKING MONIES AWAY FROM US AND CONTINUE TO GET MONIES THAT ARE ASSESSED WITHIN THE AREA.

ONLY THINGS THAT WILL NOTUSC-JJ9

>> WITHOUT SOME MOTIVATION ANYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN GOING FORWARD AGAIN NOT LOSING OR GIVING UP THE FUNDS JUST REDIRECTING TO DO THINGS THAT IMPACT BOTH THE CITIES AND THE COUNTY FOR PROJECTS THAT YOU NEED OBSERVING THE LIST, THERE MIGHT BE QUITE A NUMBER THERE. THE NEXT SLIDE, SOME SAMPLE PROJECTS AS YOU LOOK AT THESE DO NOT JUST SAY WELL THESE ARE NICE PROJECTS, I WILL EXPLAIN THAT IN JUST A SECOND ON THE NEXT SLIDE OR LATER. EVERYBODY IS DOING NEW BUILDING CONSTRUCTION. FLOOD CONTROL.

WATER SEWER PROJECTS PARKING LOT, THINGS WE ARE BOTH DEALING WITH. I KNOW NEIGHBORHOOD PARK, QUALITY OF LIFE. YOU CAN USE FUNDS FROM THE CRA DESIGNATED FROM THE BOARD TO GO AGAINST SOME OF THESE PROJECT IDEAS STREET PLANTINGS, REDEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES GRANTS AND LOANS. THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST BY NO MEANS BUT AN AREA, LIST I THINK COVERS SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE AREAS WHERE WE COLLECTIVELY WOULD HAVE SOME INTEREST AND NEED FOR SPENDING MONEY ON PROJECTS.

THE STRUCTURE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND THE STATE STATUTES PROPOSAL AND IDEA THAT WE PUT IT OUT FOR CONSIDERATION, FIVE-MEMBER BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

IN SOME ÃKEEP JUMPING AHEAD. I HAVE MY SHEETS HERE.

IS THAT COUNCOUNTY REPRESENTATI A GREEN COAT CRA.

IN AN AREA OF GREEN CODE COUNTY AND CITY AREAS.

OF MEMBERSHIP. THE TIMELINE BOTH PARTIES WILL

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REDEVELOPMENT OF SUCH AREAS NECESSARY, INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH, PUBLIC SAFETY WELFARE, OF THE RESIDENT.

ONCE THAT IS SUBMITTED DEVELOPMENT AND ADOPTING A COMMUNITY PLAN WHICH WE WILL GET INTO MORE DETAILS.

HOW THAT WOULD BE PULLED TOGETHER.

AGAIN THE PLAN ADDRESSES NEEDS OF AREAS INCLUDES OVERALL GOALS FOR THAT REDEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA AS WELL AS SPECIFIC PROJECTS. THE MOST CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CRA WOULD BE THE FACT YOU CREATE A TRUST FUND WHICH IS REQUIREMENT OF ALL THE DOLLARS PRODUCED THROUGH THE INCREMENTS INTO THIS FUND, WOULD NOT GO TO COUNTY FUNDS, WHEN NOT GO TO CITY FUNDS WOULD BE TO THIS FUND ADMINISTERED ACCORDINGLY.

AGAIN TRYING TO COVER, THIS IS NOT ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING THAT YOU MAY HAVE A QUESTION ON. WOULD HOPE THAT IT IS ENOUGH FOR US TO MOVE TO THE NEXT LEVEL WHATEVER IS NEEDED MY REQUEST. MOVE FORWARD IF THIS MAKES SENSE SIMILAR TO WHAT IS GOING ON.

IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY. CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER AND AS WE ALREADY HAVE, OTHER STAFF FOLKS WORKING WITH US VERY CANDIDLY ON PROJECTS WHERE WE NEED A CONVERSATION EARLIER IN THE WEEK ABOUT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER TOGETHER ON THINGS.

I SEE THIS AS EXACTLY THAT PERPETUATION OF THAT WORKING TOGETHER. THAT WE ARE COMBINING RESOURCES AND LEVERAGING WHERE WE CAN A COUPLE MORE.

>> I WANT TO POINT OUT THE MONIES THAT GO INTO THE TRUST

FUND INCREMENTAL INCREASES. >> YES, SIR.

>> TAX REVENUE. >> EXACTLY.

>> I THINK YOU WERE HANDED OUT A CHART.

I AM GLAD YOU WERE ABLE TO PUT ALL OF THIS.

I PULLED IT ALL OUT YESTERDAY. FOR EMPHASIS PURPOSES YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT. THE TOP SECTION IS THREE PERCENT GROWTH, OF THE INCREMENT.

THE BASE PROPERTY AS YOU CAN SEE THE BROWN AND MAYBE MORE YELLOW STAYS THE SAME THE ENTIRE TERM, THAT INCREMENT IN THE BLUE AGAIN SOMETIMES A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND NUMBERS THAT IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO LOOK AT HERE JUST THE SAME INFORMATION WITH A DIFFERENT ASSUMPTION.

SEVEN PERCENT GROWTH, YOU SEE THAT INCREMENT.

THESE ARE ALL NUMBERS THEY ARE NOT ABSOLUTELY DOWN TO THE PARCEL AS YOU ALL KNOW SOME PARCELS MAY BE LISTENING THAT

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OFF OF THE NUMBERS WE HAVE IN THE FORECAST IT IS SHOWING IT IS SHOWING $14 MILLION. THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH THE BASE I CALL IT THE FROZEN REVENUES, THOSE WOULD STAY THE SAME CONTINUE TO GET THAT AMOUNT NOT BE GIVING THAT UP.

THE FACT THAT WE ARE WORKING ON PROJECTS OF SIGNIFICANT BETTER RETURN ON THOSE DOLLARS THROUGH PROJECTS THAN IF WE WERE TO WAIT TO GET THOSE PROJECTS IN AREAS TO TAKE OFF.

ONE MORE THAN SUMMARY AND I WILL BE DONE.

IF WE COULD GET IT TO THE MAP PLEASE.

>> A GRAPHIC, YEAH. >> YOU CAN SEE IN OUR DISCUSSIONS EARLIER THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO TAKE THE CRA AREA ALL THE WAY UP TO THE JAIL BEYOND THE JAIL AREA AND TAKE A BLOCK AS YOU CAN SEE TO PALMETTO, THE BLOCK THERE.

A PART OF OUR VIEWING THIS HOPEFULLY YOU ALL WILL AS WELL A PARTNERSHIP INCLUDES THE COURTHOUSE, ADMIN BUILDING PARKING LOT, JAIL, ELECTIONS OFFICE.

SO ALL OF THOSE AREAS ALL OF THE STRUCTURES TO BE CANDIDATES FOR PROJECTS THAT WOULD COME OUT AND THE CUMULATION OF THE INCREMENT, THE CRA TRUST FUND. AGAIN OUR DESIRE IS TO WORK TOGETHER ON THESE THINGS AND NOT TO TRY TO SEPARATE BECAUSE I DON'T THINK EITHER OF US CANNOT GET AS FAR IF WE TRY TO WORK TOGETHER AND LEVERAGE OUR RESOURCES.

WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. BUT IN SUMMARY, SPECIFICALLY FOCUSED FINANCING TOOL, THE MAP IS AT DEFINED AREA WE WOULD PROPOSE. THE BOARDS DO NOT ESTABLISH POLICY FOR THE CITY OR COUNTY THEY DEVELOP A PLAN TO IMPLEMENT THE POLICY THAT WOULD BE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT.

OFFICIALLY AS A BODY SEPARATE FROM THE GOVERNING BODY EVEN WHEN THERE IS THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE IN SOME CASES A CITY OR COUNTY GOVERNING BODY TAKES THEIR HAT OFF PUTS ON A CRA HAT. SOMETIMES DOESN'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH MUCH. PRIORITIES THAT GO WITH THE NEED, PART OF AN INDEPENDENT GROUP.

AGAIN THE REPORTING OF ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES ONCE IMPLEMENTED IS A VERY STRUCTURED AND AN ANNUAL REPORT, THAT HAVE TO SHOW WHERE THE MONIES WERE SPENT WHERE MONEY IS FOR THE FUTURE WILL GO HOW THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE UTILIZED AND PLAN AHEAD. ONE THING IT DOES DO THAT I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH IS GETTING STAFF TO WORK TOGETHER ON SOME OF OUR LONGER-TERM PLANNING IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE COMPLEMENTARY. WITH THAT AGAIN I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION.

I TRUST AND HOPE YOU WILL GIVE POSITIVELY TO THE REQUEST.

JUST IN FOR MY OWN, CLOSING THE SALE WOULD BE SOME SORT OF RESOLUTION SUPPORT FROM THE COMMISSION THEN WE WOULD BEGIN

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QUESTIONS? >> HAVE YOU GOTTEN THROUGH THE VERBAL CLAIMING EITHER ISLAM OR AREA?

>> THE AREAS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT IS MORE ECONOMICALLY DRIVEN AND I AM HEARING, I SEE YOUR SMILE.

I KNOW THAT IS AN AREA THAT WOULD BE A DIFFICULT ONE.

>> MARKETING. >> I AM COMFORTABLE IN STATING THE AREAS WE WOULD BE ZEROING IN ON FOR THE MOST PART WOULD FIT THAT WITHOUT ANY RESOLUTION.

NOT ALL ISLAM OR BLIGHTED IT IS UNDER UTILIZED, IT IS NOT MEETING FULL POTENTIAL. IMPROVES PUBLIC SAFETY.

>> ONE OF THE CRITERIA. SECOND QUESTION I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER, I THOUGHT CRA HAD TO HAVE A COMMUNITY

REDEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATOR. >> I AM A MESSENGER TO GET THE TOPIC THEN WHEN THE STRUCTURE GETS IN PLACE I AM DIRECTOR OR BOARD WOULD TAKE OFFICE, HOWEVER THAT WOULD BE FULFILLED THEN YES SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD DO THAT.

>> I THINK IT IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A FULL-TIME PERSON.

>> RIGHT. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION ONCE THAT BOARD IS SET UP THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MAKE THE DETERMINATION OF PROJECTS AND EXPENDITURES.

>> YES. THE PLAN WILL BE THERE WOULD BE REPRESENTATION FROM THE COUNTY FROM THE CITY, NOT NECESSARILY THINGS THAT WERE TO BE, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT ASKING IN THAT WAY I THINK THE IDEA WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD BE REPRESENTATION THAT IS NOT ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER.

WE CAN WORK THROUGH MORE THAN WILLING TO WORK THROUGH THAT.

WE CAN'T EVEN MOVE TO THE FIRST POINT OF DOING ANYTHING UNTIL THE COUNTY ACKNOWLEDGES AND PROVIDES RESOLUTION INDICATE THEY WERE FINE WITH THE AREA, THE PROPERTIES AND ALL OF IT.

MORE THAN APPROPRIATELY LEGAL DOCUMENT TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

I AM NOT SAYING WE ARE GOING TO COME FORWARD WITH ALL OF THIS AIT HAS TO BE PUT FORTH. AGAIN REQUEST ANY FEEDBACK IN

SUPPORT. >> GENERALLY TALKING ABOUT THE

STUFF IN GREEN. >> YES, SIR.

>> $14 MILLION INVESTMENT OVER 30 YEARS.

>> SEVEN PERCENT. >> AT THE SEVEN PERCENT GROWTH.

>> NOT ALL COUNTY THE TOTAL INCREMENT PRODUCED FOR THE

ENTIRE AREA. >> ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION IN THEIR? HOW WOULD THAT WORK.

>> YOU SET A DATE SPECIFIC. THE ONES HAVE ALWAYS STARTED ON THE SAME TAX YEAR. TO MATCH WITH THE TAX YEAR.

THAT BECOMES YOUR BASE YEAR. >> COMES AFTER THAT BASE DATE.

>> A LOT OF VACANT PROPERTY. 2020 STORY SKYSCRAPER, COUNTY

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>> I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS A BAD THING TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS. HOW THIS MONEY IS GOING TO BE SPENT, MORE PRONE TO INVEST IN THIS AREA.

YOU GET THE INCREASE. I THINK MORE SO THAN THAT.

A MATTER OF MANAGEMENT. FOR THE MOST PART IT HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A GOOD RESOURCE TO REDEVELOPING AN AREA.

THE ROAD IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE FOR A CRA AS WELL.

>> WHAT IF IT GOES THE OTHER WAY? SAY WE HAVE ANOTHER HOUSING BUBBLE BUST.

>> I DID NOT HEAR. >> WHAT IF THE TAX REVENUE OR THE WORTH OF THAT GREEN AREA GOES DOWN INSTEAD OF UP ALWAYS PROGRAMMED TO UNDERSTAND WE ARE GOING TO GET THREE PERCENT

GROWTH FOREVER. >> NO MORE THAN WE CAN PRESENT OR PROJECT. A LOT OF THAT DEPEND ¦

>> IF THE INCREASE GOES NEGATIVE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> DOES THE CONTRIBUTION STOP AND WHERE IT IS TODAY?

>> I THINK YOU ARE ASKING A GOOD QUESTION I THINK WE NEED

TO RESEARCH. >> DOES THAT BASE GO DOWN?

>> I DO NOT KNOW THE ANSWER. >> UNLESS THERE IS THE AREA CAN BE EXPANDED. TO ANSWER THE QUESTION I DO NOT

HAVE A DIRECT ANSWER BECAUSE ¦ >> LET ME SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU OUT WITH THIS. LET'S SAY YOUR TAXABLE VALUE $10 MILLION. GOES UP TO 11 MILLION THE INCREASE WHATEVER THAT TAX REVENUE IS GOES TO THE CRA.

FOR EASY MATH. 13 BACK DOWN TO 12.

YOU DO NOT RESET YOUR INCREMENT.

>> UNTIL IT GETS BACK TO 10 YOU DON'T EVER GO BACK UP AGAIN.

>> IT STOPS AT ZERO. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING.

>> LOOKING AT HOW MUCH I CAN LOSE FIRST.

>> ALL RIGHT. IT ALL LOOKS GOOD TO ME.

>> CRA WITH KEYSTONE. >> I THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA.

HOW DOES THAT WORK WITH KEYSTONE?

>> WE DO NOT. THE ONE THAT WAS SET UP PRIOR.

TROY HAS LOOKED INTO THAT TOO. >> SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD INITIALLY. WE DON'T HAVE REPRESENTATION AS A BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

AT LEAST THE BOARD WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY REPRESENTING THE COUNTY. TO REPRESENT THE COUNTIES INTEREST. THEY WERE VERY ACCOMMODATING TO

THAT. >> I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT.

>> THE KEYSTONE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THEY WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE ISSUE THEY HAD GETTING EVERYONE TO AGREE ON WHERE THEY WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY SPEND THE MONEY IS AND FOR WHAT.

I DO NOT WANT TO DRAW ANY CONCLUSION.

THE CRA BOARD IS A COUNTY NOR IS THE CITY COUNTY COMMISSION I BELIEVE. I MAY BE WRONG.

>> TWO MORE QUESTIONS. REWARDS BACK TO THE COUNTY

THEN. >> CRA DISESTABLISHED ALL THE

REVENUE GOES TO THE COUNTY. >> IN THIS GREEN AREA

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TREATED? >> THE IDEA OF WORKING COLLECTIVELY AS I KNOW THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS OF SOME IDEAS. A VERY COMMON ISSUE THAT WE HAVE WITH PARKING. SOME MUTUAL BENEFITS OF HAVING THAT, I THINK THIS ONE SUGGESTION COULD WIPE OUT ANYTHING FOR THE 30 YEARS. INCORPORATE SOME ASPECTS OF THE JAIL MAY BE SOME IMPROVEMENTS RELATED TO THAT COULD BE CAPTURED THROUGH YEAR AS OPPOSED ÃENABLING THE COUNTY OF ITSELF ON YOUR PRIMARY FACILITIES.

RESOURCES, THE BIGGEST COLLECTIVE CHUNK ARE HERE BEING ABLE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT INCLUDED PROVIDING THAT OPPORTUNITY AND IF YOU GET TO THE END OF THE 30 YEARS, KNOCKING IT OUT OF THE PARK EVERYBODY AND ALL FACILITIES ALL PROGRAMS GOING LIKE GANGBUSTERS THE POTENTIAL IS TO RENEW IT. IF IT HAS SERVED ITS PURPOSE, NOT A PRIORITY THEN WHATEVER. THE SUPPORTER OF SUCCESS IF IT HAS BEEN WORKING AND EVERYBODY HAS BEEN GETTING A BENEFIT OUT OF IT WE HAVE GROWTH, THINGS ARE BEING DONE THE WAY THEY NEED TO BE THAT IS ALWAYS AN OPTION TO RENEW IT.

IT CAN BE ANY NUMBER OF YEARS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT FROM ANY SORT OF A BONDING YOU GET TO THE 20 YEAR BEFORE IT REALLY MAKES SENSE. OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I GUESS WHERE I WAS GOING TO JAIL NOW SAY WE PUT 30 MILLION INTO THE JAIL HOW DOES THAT AFFECT THIS DOES IT? SINCE WE ARE NOT REALLY PAYING TAXES.

>> NOT INCREASING THE TAXABLE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IN THE AREA BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT PAYING TAXES ON IT.

>> WE BUILD A NEW LIBRARY WHAT HAPPENS.

>> SAME THING. >> IF YOU BUILD A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. THAT WOULD INCREASE YOUR POTENTIAL. PUTTING THEM TOGETHER TO DO

REDEVELOPMENT. >> FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE WHOLE

CRA. >> IF YOU PUT IN TREES, YOU KNOW WHATEVER AWNINGS ON THE BUILDINGS NEW STREET LIGHTING IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF ALL. THAT IS WHAT THE AGENCY SHOULD BE DOING. FOR THE WHOLE AREA.

>> NOT ONLY DEFINING YOUR TAXABLE VALUE BUT DEFINING YOUR AREA THAT YOU CAN PAPUT WORK INTO.

THE MAP SERVES TWO PURPOSES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> AND OBSERVATION. IN TALLAHASSEE, THE COMMISSIONER AND I TOOK HER TTO OUR.

WE SAW IT FIRSTHAND IT IS PRETTY AMAZING.

>> INNOVATIVE THINGS THAT WERE DONE THERE.

THAT IS NOW AN ALIAMPHITHEATER. IT FLOODS EVERY 100 YEARS THEY

CAN LIVE WITH THAT. >> I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME. FOLLOW-UP ON THE SCHEDULE AND NEXT STEP. REQUEST THE SUPPORT SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER. MAKE THIS A BENEFIT FOR ALL

THANK YOU ALL. >> THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. DONATIONS.

>> MEGAN IS HERE. LAST BUT NOT LEAST.

[6.  Donation/Sponsorship Policy (M. Mosley)]

>> ALL RIGHT MEGAN MOSLEY. WITH THE GRANT DIVISION.

BRING TO THE COMMISSION A POLICY TO GET INITIAL FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION. WE HAVE RESEARCHED SEVERAL OTHER COUNTIES IN FLORIDA THAT HAVE SIMILAR POLICIES SPECIFICALLY PINELLAS, HILLSBOROUGH THE GOAL BEHIND THIS WILL BE TOO OPTIMIZE NONTAX REVENUE SOURCES TO SUPPORT COUNTY PROJECTS AND PROGRAMS BASED ON THE RESEARCH SPONSORSHIP CATEGORIES. THE FIRST PURCHASING SPONSORSHIP WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE PURCHASE OF ANY COMMODITIES, EQUIPMENT OR SERVICES.

A PARK BENCH OR PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT SECOND AREA OF PROGRAM SPONSORSHIP INCLUDING ASSETS SO EXAMPLES COULD BE SPONSORSHIP OF THE SUMMER PROGRAM AT THE LIBRARIES.

FACILITIES OR BUILDINGS, THAT CLINIC IN THE NEW ANIMAL SHELTER. SOME OF THESE WOULD ALSO INCLUDE RIGHTS AS WELL IN THIS CATEGORY.

THE THIRD AREA HONORARY NAMING RIGHTS AND OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE COMMITMENT AND SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

EXCLUDE ROADS WHICH ARE COVERED UNDER A SEPARATE POLICY.

INALLY INCLUDE CONTRIBU TYPICALLY SMALLER CONTRIBUTIONS OR DONATIONS, ONE-TIME GIFTS, MIGHT INCLUDE THINGS LIKE GIVING. IN TERMS OF PROCEDURES THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLY STRUCTURING THIS SIMILAR TO THE PURCHASING POLICY SO THE COUNTY MANAGER WILL BE ABLE TO PROVE SPONSORSHIPS UNDER $50,000. APPROVAL SOUGHT FOR SPONSORSHIPS EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN 50,000.

AS WELL AS FOR HONORARY SPONSORSHIPS.

THE POLICY ALSO MAKES THE GRANTS DIVISION THE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR POLICY COMPLIANCE.

DIVISION HELP ENSURE THAT CONTRIBUTIONS ARE BUDGETED AND TRACKED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. FOR THE SELECTION PROCESS FOR SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE A CATALOG OF OPPORTUNITIES SO LOOKING AT AREAS LIKE ANIMAL SERVICES, PARKS AND REC THE LIBRARIES AS STARTING POINTS.

WOULD BE BROUGHT TO BBC ANNUALLY FOR BRIEFING STAFF WOULD WORK WITH BUDGET TO DETERMINE SPONSORSHIP VALUES.

SO I THINK FROM A PERSPECTIVE THERE CAN BE BENEFITS IN THE POLICY LIKE THIS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD LOCAL PARTNERSHIPS WITH BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS.

IN TERMS OF APPLYING FOR STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS ALWAYS HELPFUL TO SHOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF LOCAL COMMUNITY BUY IN.

SO HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSS FURTHER.

>> I THINK CERTAINLY WORTHWHILE TO PUT THAT FOURTH.

THE ONLY QUESTION MAY BE SPONSORSHIPS UNDER 25,000 SIGNED OFF ON BY COUNTY MANAGER.

MAYBE MAKE THAT A CHANGE THERE CERTAINLY CATALOG OPPORTUNITIES THAT CERTAINLY HELPS. ALREADY HAD A REPUTABLE COMPANY IN THE GREATER CLAY COUNTY AREA INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT NAMING RIGHTS FOR THE SPORTS COMPLEX.

I THINK OBVIOUSLY MONITORED. WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE JUST ANY SPONSORSHIP. CITIZENS WHO WANT TO CONTRIBUTE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF PURCHASING SPONSORSHIP, THE PARK OUT THERE.

THE SITUATION WHERE THE DONOR BOUGHT THE EQUIPMENT, A NICE WAY TO DO THAT. NAMING RIGHTS ASSOCIATED WITH

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I AM ALL FOR IT. >> WE USED TO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH NAMING LOCOMOTIVES ON THE RAILROAD.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE GUY GETS CONVICTED OF BEING THE BAD GUY.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE LOCOMOTIVE GETS IN IRAQ IT IS ON TELEVISION. OVER SOMEBODY'S CAR THAT SAYS JOE BLOW ON IT. I AM ALL FOR MAKING MORE MONEY AND WHAT PEOPLE DONATE TO ISSUES BUT THE NAMING OF STUFF GETS KIND OF GOOEY. I WANT TO BRING THAT TO EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION. TOMORROW IT MAY CHANGE.

HOW DO WE CHANGE T. >> I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF NAMING ANYTHING AFTER ANYBODY THAT IS STILL ALIVE.

>> ONE THOUGHT PROCESS IN CONNECTION WITH THE AGREEMENTS THEY WOULD BE TERM LIMITED. IT WOULDN'T BE, WITH THE FEE.

THEREFORE THERE WOULD BE A CERTAIN TERM IN CONNECTION WE COULD PUT IN THEIR PROVISION IF WE NEED TO REVOKE IT.

>> THAT IS WHAT EVERYBODY DOES WITH THEIR STADIUMS. THEN THEY GO OUT AND FIND SOMEBODY ELSE.

MORE OR LESS OF WHAT I WAS THINKING.

NOT MUCH THEY CAN DO TO TARNISH THEIR NAME.

MOVING TO THE NEXT STEP IS WELL WORTH IT.

>> WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD WE PASSED A NAMING RIGHTS POLICY IT WASN'T PERFECT. DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY WHERE I GUESS ABLE TO SECURE BETTER SOURCES OF FUNDING THAN OTHERS BUT THE HIGH SCHOOL HAS SOLD NAMING RIGHTS TO THE FOOTBALL FIELD AND TO THE BASKETBALL COURT.

LIKE THE MCDONALD'S FLOOR. THE FOOTBALL FIELD THEY MADE I THINK $10,000 FOR THREE YEARS FOR THE STADIUM.

I DO NOT REMEMBER THE VALUES BE ABLE TO USE IT, A WAY TO CONTROL IT. A PARK AT KINGSLEY LAKE THAT THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO NAME FORT MR. STRICKLAND HE IS NOT LOVE YOU ANYMORE, HE DONATED THAT LAND SO WE DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT OTHER THAN THE RESOLUTION.

SO I DO NOT KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T WANT TO CONSIDER IT.

THE OTHER THING THAT CAME UP THAT IS I GUESS PART OF THE POLICY VERSUS THE SPONSORSHIP IS I HAD A MEMBERS OF THE PRESERVATION BOARD. MENTIONED TO ME THAT RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE A WAY TO FUND RAISE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME RENOVATION AND RESTORATION OF THE SCHOOLHOUSE AT THE PARK WHICH WE DID PACK UP SOME OF THE THINGS LAST MONDAY.

THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO SOME MORE THINGS THEY WOULD LIKE TO FUND RAISE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. UNDER POLICY THEY CANNOT DO THAT SO THEY WERE ASKING FOR THIS AS WELL.

>> OKAY. ANY COMMENTS?

>> GRANTS THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR I DO NOT KNOW IF THEY HAVE

APPLIED FOR THEM OR NOT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

THE PART WHERE WE TRY AND PUT STRUCTURE TO THIS AND SAY WE SPENT FOUR HOURS TALKING. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO CAN YOU

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

>> FROM U.S. DEPARTMENT WITH REGARDS TO GETTING LICENSED.

THAT IS SENT TO YOU ALL.O FIND OUT, RESEARCH THE

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WOULD BE. >> WHEN DO YOU THINK THAT WILL

BE DONE? >> TROY ANY IDEA?

>> A COUPLE WEEKS. >> THE ORDINANCE, YOU WERE GOING TO DO THE RESEARCH ON THE PET ORDINANCES.

THE AGGRESSIVE DOG THING. >> LET ME ASK YOU THIS PROCEDURALLY. WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE THEM.

WOULD YOU LIKE FOR US FIRST TO BRING THEM FORWARD WITH THE EDITS FOR DISCUSSION ITEM. THEN GET THOUGHTS FROM YOU THEN

ADVERTISE THEM? >> YES.

WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE STUFF DOESN'T MEAN WE ALL AGREE THAT IT IS A GOOD THING TO GO FORWARD WITH.

>> I THINK TROY AND I SHOOTING FOR FEBRUARY, THE END OF FEBRUARY. 22ND.

WE COULD BRING THEM BACK IN A FINAL DRAFT FORM.

>> ALSO WITH REGARDS TO THE TNVR LICENSING VERSUS CHIP.

WITH THAT AS A HOBBY BREEDER REQUIREMENT OR NOT.

TREATMENT YOU ASKED FOR THE STUDY FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER.

A COPY OF THAT TO YOU. CHARLIE TAKE A LOOK.

AT TWO OR THREE RESOLUTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE LEGISLATOR BILLS UPCOMING. PROBABLY NO LATER THAN THE END

OF FEBRUARY. >> WE DO NOT HAVE TWO ADVERTISE

THEM AS RESOLUTIONS. >> 8 FEBRUARY THE SOONEST WE

COULD BRING THAT TO THE BOARD. >> SO MY PLAN TO THAT IS TO USE THE LEAGUE OF CITIES SMALL COUNTIES RECOMMENDATION FOR RESPONDING BACK. SHOULD BE PRETTY EASY.

YOU ASKED ABOUT EXEMPTION FOR WATER.

WE WILL HAVE TWO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT ONE.

I WILL NOT HAVE IT, THE DIRECTION OF THE FULL BOARD ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT UP AS A TOPIC ITEM, WE COULD GO FORWARD FROM THERE.

>> WILL YOU LOOK AT IT? >> I KNOW YOU WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF IT IF WE COULD GET THE BOARD TO LOOK AT IT.

>> A SUGGESTION THAT IT MAY BEHOOVE US TO ALSO COME WHAT THESE EXEMPTIONS ARE GOING TO BEAT THOSE EXEMPTIONS THAT WERE BRIEFED ARE GOING TO IMPACT OUR BUDGET NEXT YEAR.

LOOKING FOR A WAY THAT INCREASING, YOU KNOW MAKE UP THE MONIES SOMETHING IS GOING TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE.

ALTERNATIVE REVENUE STREAM. IF YOU ARE OKAY MAYBE WE COULD

SHOOT FOR 22 FEBRUARY. >> OKAY.

>> THE TABLE ON REVENUE. TAKE WHAT IS IN HERE, MAKE IT A TABLE. SOME OTHER NOTES HERE.

>> LET ME DOUBLE CHECK. >> THE BUSINESS LICENSE.

BUSINESS LICENSE COST TO OPERATE.

OPERATING NEUTRAL OR REVENUE NEUTRAL.

ENGAGE WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.

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SOME EMAILS AFTER THAT. >> A MONTH?

>> YEAH. THEN THE CRA I THOUGHT STEVE DID A NICE JOB ON BRIEFING THAT.

TO BRING THAT COMING UP HERE BY THE END OF THE MONTH FEBRUARY.

>> OKAY. >> I WILL BRIEF HIM ON THAT.

END OF FEBRUARY. >> LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPTION.

>> VICTORIA. OKAY.

THEN DONATION POLICY, ONE CHANGE WAS TO REDUCE $25,000.

WE WOULD MAKE THAT CHANGE. MEGAN WILL TAKE WHAT SHE HAS WE CAN BRING THAT TO THE BOARD BY 22 FEBRUARY I WOULD THINK.

SO I THINK I COVERED MOST OF THOSE.

BRIEFED ON THAT UTILITY I TALKED ABOUT.

>> ON THE FERAL CAT ISSUE. >> THAT PLAN, PART OF THE

PACKAGE. >> TWO WEEKS.

>> TWO WEEKS. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE WE MISSED? IF WE GET ALL THAT DONE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY READY FOR THE NEXT BUNCH.

>> YES, SIR. IT TAKES A LOT OF STAFF TIME.

I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE STAFF.

IT TOOK A LOT, TROY, SAM THE ENTIRE STAFF, JUST TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER. ON 22 FEBRUARY WORKSHOP PIVIT AWAY FROM BROADBAND BRINGING BROADBAND TO 8 FEBRUARY.OULD LIKE TO PUT IN LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TAKE A SMALL BITE OUT OF THAT BIG APPLE AND TALK ABOUT THAT.

WORKING ON IT. WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE THAT IF

YOU ARE OKAY WITH THAT. >> I APPRECIATE STAFF'S EFFORTS I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A LOT OF WORK.

WE HAVEN'T DONE OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO GET SOME OF THE STUFF SO WE CAN MOVE ON IT.

EITHER GO UP OR DOWN. ALL OF THE STUFF WE TALKED ABOUT IT WILL NOT ALL PAST. BUT AT LEAST WE WILL HAVE ADDRESSED IT GIVING IT A GOOD HEARING PUT OUR BEST MINDS TO WORK ON IT. I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN ONLY ADDRESS STUFF AT A CERTAIN RATE.

UNDERSTAND WHEN WE BRING THE STUFF UP, GOING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT OR SAY IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK.

WITH THAT ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THE GOOD OF THE GROUP HERE?

ANYTHING FROM STAFF? >> I OPEN IT UP TO THE STAFF

ANY COMMENTS? >> THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ALSO HERE. DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE

HERE. >> THANK YOU CHAIRMAN.

NOTHING MORE FRO

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