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          >> WELCOME, EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AN ZONING COMMISSION MEETING MORE JANUARY FOURTH, 2022. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD SOME GOOD 
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HOLIDAYS AND NEW YEAR. WE ARE GOING TO GET BACK IN THE BUSINESS THIS MONTH. BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING I WOULD LIKE EVERYBODY TO PLEASE STAND AND RECITE THE PLEDGE. 
          >> A PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WHEN WE GO INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING, THERE'S A SEQUENCE OF EVENTS FROM THAT. WE WILL GET A REPORT FROM STAFF AND THEIR RECOMMENDATION. WE WILL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          I WILL THEN HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF CARDS HERE. 
          ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THAT ITEM WILL BE CALLED UP AND SPEAK. YOU'LL BE GIVEN THREE MINUTES. 
          WE DO HAVE A TIMER ON THE PODIUM. 
          WHEN THE RED LIGHT COMES ON IF YOU'RE NOT DONE, PLEASE GET DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE A WHILE TO GET THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS. AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OVER, THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT AND AT THAT POINT, WE ARE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THIS BOARD WILL BRING IT FOR DISCUSSION AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. 
          AID LOT OF CARDS HERE, BUT IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK THAT HASN'T FILLED ONE OF THESE OUT, THEY'RE IN THE BACK IN THE VESTIBULE. SO LET ME START WITH INTRODUCTIONS. MY RALPH. 
          I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION FOR THIS YEAR. 
          WAY ON THE RIGHT THERE IN THE AUDIENCE IS DODI SELIG. 
          SHE'S OUR CHIEF, I ALWAYS FORGET, THE SENIOR PLANNER. 
          AND IN FRONT OF HER IS MR. BROWN, WHO IS OUR CHIEF OF ZONING. AND THEN UP HERE ON THE DAIS TO MY RIGHT IS PETE DAVIS. BO HOWARD, I MEAN BO NORTON. 
          VICE CHAIR, MARY BRIGMAN, MICHAEL BOURRÉ ANZALONE AND BILL GARRISON AND AT THE END OF LANCE ADDISON. 
          HE IS OUR SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE AT THESE MEETINGS. STILL LEARNING THE NAME BECAUSE HE JUST CAME OPEN LAST MONTH BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD HE IS HERE TO REPRESENT THE SCHOOL BOARD. 
          WE ALSO HAVE HAD OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, COURTNEY GRIMM HER HER ASSISTANT WHO IS CASSIE SMITH. CHRISTINE BLANCHARD FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE KEEPS ALL THE MINUTES FOR OUR MEETINGS AND I KNOW SHARICE IS THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMIC SERVICES MANY WE ARE AN ADVISORY TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS SO WE WILL MAKE REJTH ON ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT, AND THE COUNTY COMMISSION WILL HAVE THE FINAL DISCUSSION AND VOTE ON THE SAME ITEMS EITHER ONE WEEK OR THREE WEEKS FROM TONIGHT, AND WE WILL AS WE GO THROUGH EACH ITEM WE WILL MENTION WHAT DATE THE COUNTY COMMISSION WILL HAVE THOSE. I ALREADY MENTIONED THE CARDS. 
          AND THE ONLY OTHER ISSUE IF YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE IF YOU JUST PUT IT ON VIBRATE, IF YOU DO HAVE TO TAKE A PHONE CALL WE ASK YOU STEP OUT IN THE VESTIBULE OR LOB TOY TAKE THAT CALL D. I MISS ANYTHING? GOOD. 
          ALL RIGHT, I AM GOING TO TAKE THE POWER OF THE CHAIR TO MAKE A COUPLE OF REARRANGEMENTS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          IN AN EFFORT TO I BELIEVE THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE HERE BASED ON THE COMMENT CARDS FORWARD THE LAKE  ASBURY ISSUE. 
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AT THE CONCLUSION OF BUSINESS EVERYBODY IS FREE TO LEAVE AT THAT POINT. THE OTHER ITEM THAT WE WILL BE ADDING TO THE AGENDA IS THERE WAS RECENTLY A MORE TOERMD THAT CONCERNS THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN THAT IT WAS PASSED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION I THINK LAST MONTH AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY GRIMM IS GOING TO PRESENT THAT TO THIS BOARD RIGHT BEFORE WE START THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WE HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. NOW THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS FOR ANYTHING THAT YOU THINK IS JERMAINE TO THIS BOARD THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO ONE OF THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          I DO HAVE ONE CARD ON THIS. >> POINT OF ORDER. 
          [1.  Approval of Minutes]
          >> THE MINUTES. EXCUSE ME. 
          WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER THE APPROVAL OUR MINUTES FROM LAST YEAR, FROM LAST MONTH, FROM DECEMBER, HOWEVER THERE WAS A PROBLEM IN GETTING THOSE MINUTES TO US TO THE BOARD MEMBERS IN OUR PACKETS THIS MONTH. WE DON'T HAVE THEM SO I THINK THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION IS THE BOARD AGREES IS WE WILL CONTINUE THAT ITEM TO NEXT MONTH FOR APPROVAL OF THOSE MINUTES. 
          I WILL NEED A MOTION. >> MOVE TO CONTINUE THE MINUTES. 
          >> SECOND. >> MR. BOURRÉ, MR. ANZALONE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE DECEMBER MINUTES TO NEXT MEETING 
          [Public Comment]
FEBRUARY SAY AYE, OPPOSED, THANK YOU. 
          SO BACK TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT I THINK MR. KLINSMAN I THINK ONLY 
          ONE. >> GOOD EVENING, RICHARD 
          KLINSMAN [DRESS]. >> AS YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LARGER AUDIENCES THAN NORMAL ON A TUESDAY NIGHT FOR A MEETING AND I THINK ANY TIME YOU SEE THIS MANY PEOPLE GIVING UP JEOPARDY AT 7:30 TO COME HERE THAT MEANS THEY'RE EXTREME LIVE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON LATELY AS AM I AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE. FRANKLY, NOT TO BE TOO CRITICAL, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY POOR DECISIONS MADE BY THIS BOARD AND PASSED ON AS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR APPROVAL TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND IN THEIR LACK OF WISDOM THEY HAVE ACTED ON AND PASSED THEM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE PLANNING GOING ON AND MORE INVESTIGATION, MORE LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH OUR ROADS AND THE LAND AROUND THEM. 
          I DON'T THINK ANYBODY OF SOUND MIND COULD TAKE A LOOK AT RUSSELL ROAD, A TWO LANE ROAD AND DECIDE, HEY, THERE'S A GREAT PLACE TO PUT THOUSANDS OF NEW HOMES. 
          ABSOLUTELY NOT. THIS IS BOLSTERED BY THE PRO-GROWTH NUTS IN THE COUNTY WHO WANT TO SEE MORE AND MORE GROWTH EVIDENCE WHERE WITH NO INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE THE MORATORIUM WHICH HAS BEEN PUT IN IS SUPPOSED TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE AND HOW TO BRING THINGS MORE UP TO CLIMATE WHERE IT'S NOT AS BAD. SOME OF THE LOGJAMS WE HAD WITH TRAFFIC ARE JUST A DISGRACE. IT'S EASIER TO GET AROUND BROOKLYN THAN SOME OF THE AREAS IN CLAY COUNTY BUT THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH. BUT THE NUTS IN THE PRO-GROWTH THING LIKE TO SHOUT HOUR GOING TO HAVE MORE TOWNS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE TAXES COLLECTED, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE A BETTER COMMUNITY. WELL FOR THE PAST 8-10 YEARS WE'VE HAD SUPER GROWTH, LOTS MORE TAXES COLLECTED AND YET, STILL NOT ENOUGH TO PAY OUR FIRST RESPONDERS ENOUGH. 
          WE HAD TO THEN NUT A SPECIAL TAX JUST TO PAY THEM MORE MONEY TO KEEP THEM IN CLAY COUNTY RATHER THAN CHASE THEM OUT TO GO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE AT A HIGHER PAY. WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT MONEY? SOMEBODY'S PULLING OUR LEGS HERE AND MOST OF RUST NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. SO, BEFORE YOU VOTED TO REZONE WHICH I'M TOTALLY AGAINST ANY REZONING ANYWHERE, OR INCREASING DENSITY AS SOME OF THESE COMMUNITIES HAVE, OR LOOKING LIKE A WHAT I CALL A POCKET G GETTO AND THEY CHARGE $300,000 
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FOR THESE CRACKER JACK BOXES. WHAT HAPPENED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THAT'S THE PUNCH LINE OF SOME JOKE BECAUSE WE HAVE NONE. SO I TWO REALLY APPRECIATE IT IF THERE'S MORE THOUGHT GOING INTO THIS AND MORE INVESTIGATION, TAKE A LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING THIS MASSIVE GROWTH IN THOSE AREAS. THANK YOU. 
          [5.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 21-18. (District 5, Comm. Burke)(M. Brown)]
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE EYE T -- 
          ITEM 5 FIRST. >> [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> I'M TRYING TO GET TO THIS ITEM. 
          SOAR. >> I QUICKLY SO THE MORATORIUM JUST REFERRED TO THE BOARD ON NOVEMBER 23RD ADOPTED THE MORATORIUM. IT WAS EFFECTIVE FOR ANY APPLICATIONS THAT WERE FILED AFTER NOVEMBER THE NINTH. 
          IT IS EFFECTIVE UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST OF '22. 
          NOW THE BREADTH OF THE MORATORIUM IS THAT IT WILL APPLY TO ANY APPLICATION THAT COMES IN SEEKING TO INCREASE THE DENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES, OKAY WHETHER A LAND USE AMENDMENT OR REZONING. SO AGAIN, IT'S FOR RESIDENTIAL, INCREASING DENSITY. LAND USE OR REZONING. 
          THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL REVIEW THE APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU THAT YOU WILL EVEN ADDRESS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL ADDRESS IT AND THE APPLICATION DENIED. OKAY? IT'S EFFECTIVE UNTIL DECEMBER 31ST OF '22. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT SO THAT'S WERE YOU KNOW CERTAIN APPLICATIONS WON'T BE COMING BEFORE YOU. 
          >> COURTNEY, WHEN YOU SAY THAT CAN YOU IT AROUND? THE DENSITY,- ARE WE JUST CAPPING IT AT WHAT WE HAVE NOW? COULD YOU BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC? 
          >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY MOVE IT AROUND. 
          FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU HAVE A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS MULTIPLE DENSITIES, YOU CAN MOVE IT AROUND ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT'S JUST THAT YOU CAN'T COME IN WITH YOUR 20 ACRES OR HUNDRED ACRES AND ASK FOR IT TO BE ZONED AND IT'S ONLY IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AIRED AND YOU CAN'T JUST KOMENTD IN AND ASK FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY TO GO FROM A DENSITY OF 2 OR 4 OR 6 AND 
          INCREASE THE DENSITY. >> DOES ANYBODY EVER QUESTIONS 
          THEY WANT CLARIFICATION ON THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK THAT QUESTION OR NOT BUT HOW IS THAT 
          GOING TO AFFECT THE ITEM? >> I THINK [UNCLEAR] IS GOING TO 
          ADDRESS THAT. >> AGAIN IF YOU HAD AN APPLICATION THAT IT WAS IN PRIOR TO NOVEMBER 9TH IT DOES NOT 
          IMPACT IT. >> GOT IT. 
          >> OKAY. >> INCREASES IN DENSITY BUT SEEKING A DECREASE IN DENSITY IT DOESN'T APPLY. 
          >> RIGHT. >> IF THEY'RE SEEKING A REZONING FROM A.R. TO R.B. OR SOMETHING OF THAT EFFECT? 
          >> IF IT DECREASES IT IN THE PLANNING, STAFF HAS LOOKED AT IT AND CONFIRMED IT DECREASES THEN YOU'RE NOT RESTRICTED. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. 
          NOW WE CAN GO TO THE ITEM? OKAY. 
          SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO START THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THIS WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LVC 2021-17, 20-2118 FLUM AMENDMENT . . .  IT IS IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT 
          AND MR. BROWN, YOU HAVE IT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND PLANNING COMMISSION, MIKE BROWN ZONING CHIEF. 
          COUNTY PLANNING. THE APPLICANT FOR THIS. 
          >> CAN YOU LEAN INTO YOUR MIC A LITTLE MORE? 
          >> THE APPLICANT FOR THIS APPLICATION IS TEAM EFFORT, INC., AGENT IS SUSAN FRAZIER AS A CHAIRMAN INDICATED IT'S A LARGE SCALE FUTURE LAND USE AMENDMENT FOR 100.17 ACRES FROM LAKE ASBURY FRINGE TO LAKE AS BERRY COMMUNITIES IN THE PENNY FARMS PLANNING DISTRICT. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL HAVE A TRANSMITTAL HEARING BECAUSE IT'S 
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A LARGE SCALE AMENDMENT. IT WILL BE TRANSMITTED IF THEY VOTE ON AT THIS TIME BOARD TO TRANSMIT IT TO THE STATE REVIEWING AGENCIES FOR COMMENTS BEFORE IT COMES BACK FOR ADOPTION. THEY WILL HEAR THAT THE JANUARY 25TH BOARD MEETING. AND THAT IS SCHEDULED AT 5:00 TIME CERTAIN OR SOON  THERE AFTER AS CAN BE HEARD. 
          >> I'M SORRY. GO BACK ON THE SLIDE, PLEASE. 
          I THINK A LOST PEOPLE PROBABLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A TRANSMITTAL HEARING IS, WHAT THE THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN A TRANSMITTAL HEARING AN CHANGING THE LAND USE MANY I'LL TAKE A SHOT AT I. TELL ME IF I GET IT RIGHT. 
          ANY TIME THERE'S MORE THAN 50 ACRES. 
          50 ACRES AN APPLICANT WANTS TO - CHANGE THE LAND USE CATEGORY ON, WHETHER IT'S SUCH AS FOR THIS ONE OR FROM RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL, THAT HAS TO FIRST BE TRANSMITTED TO TALLAHASSEE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY I THINK DOES IT NOW FOR THEM TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT IT, OBJECT TO IT, WHATEVER. AND THEN IT'S RETURNED BACK TO THE COUNTY AND FOR A FINAL ADOPTION HEARING. 
          SO WE WILL HEAR THIS TONIGHT. COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL HEAR IT ON THE 25TH TO TRANSMIT IT AND AT SOME POINT SUBSEQUENT TO THE 25TH AND I DOUGH KNOW WHAT THE TIME LIMITS ARE. 
          >> THE STATE HAS 35 DAYS TO GET THEIR COMMENTS BACK TO THE 
          COUNTY. >> SO, ABOUT UP TO PROBABLY A MONTH AND A HALF LATER THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL GET 
          IT. >> THAT WILL BE ADVERTISED AND NOTICED ALSO FORWARD THAT HEARING. 
          >> SO I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD PLEASE. 
          >> NO THAT'S FINE. JUST SORT OF FOLLOW UP THIS IS A LAND USE AMENDMENT NOT A REZONING. 
          LAND USE CHANGE DOES NOT IS NOT A DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL. 
          SO, IT BASICALLY SAYS, WHAT POTENTIALLY CAN HAPPEN THERE, BUT IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL. 
          AGAIN. SO JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND. 
          THIS IS 100.17 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA. PRESENTLY DESIGNATED LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE. THE PROPERTY WAS DESIGNATED RURAL FRINGE PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN IN '06 AND IT WAS SOENTD PS-2 WHICH IT IS TODAY AND IS NOT PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED. 
          THERE'S ABOUT NO APPLICATION TO CHANGE THAT ZONING COMMITTED. 
          BACK IN BY THE PRIOR OWNER IN 1996. 
          THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY TEAM EFFORT, WHICH OPERATES A YOUTH CAMP UNDER THE EXISTING S-2 ZONING DISTRICT. 
          IMPROVEMENT ON THE PROPERTY INCLUDE CAMP HOUSING FOR PARTICIPANTS AND STAFF PARKING ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS SERVICE BUILDINGS CARETAKERS HOUSE CAFETERIA. 
          THIS CHANGE IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE LAKE ASBURY MORATORIUM BECAUSE IT IS AN ACTUAL REQUEST TO DECREASE THE DENSITY. 
          I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL BUT JUST TO SUMMARIZE, THE LAKE AS BERRY RURAL FRINGE ALLOWS FOR MAXIMUM DENSITY OF THREE UNITS PER ACRE SO THAT COULD HAPPEN TODAY UNDER TODAY'S LAND USE CHANGE. THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL PUT A MAXIMUM DENSITY OF TWO UNITS PER ACRE SO A NET DECREASE OF ONE UNIT PER ACRE COMPARING MAXIMUM TO MAXIMUM. 
          HERE SHOWS EXISTING LAND USE AND ZONING. 
          ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USES ALL AROUND IT EXCEPT TO THE WEST AND THE ZONING STICKS OUT BECAUSE IT IS P S-2 ZONING DISTRICT. 
          HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE EXIST DEVELOPMENT AND IT'S ALL SINGLE FAMILY OF VARIOUS DENSITIES BECAUSE. 
          LAND USE AN DIFFERENCES IN LAND USE AND ZONING. 
          JUST A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO REQUESTED THEIR EXISTING RURAL FRINGE LAND USE. MAXIMUM DENSE I HAD THE OF 6 UNITS PER ACRE MINIMIZED 3 PER ACRE CHARACTERIZED AS DETACHED 
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HOUSING. THE REQUEST IS TO CHANGE TO LAKE ASBURY RURAL COMMUNITY THE BASE DENSE I HAD THE IS ONE UNIT PER 5 GROSS ACRES. HOWEVER, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN DOES ALLOW FOR THE MAXIMUM DENSITY TO INCREASE TO TWO UNITS PER NET ACRE THROUGH THE DEDICATION OF WETLANDS AND SET ASIDE ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS. AND THERE'S A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT CLUSTERING OF DEVELOPMENT TO PRESERVE A MINIMUM OF 40 PERCENT OPEN SPACE WITH NO MORE THAN 30 PERCENT OF THAT BEING WETLANDS. AGAIN THIS IS CHARACTERIZED BY PREDOMINANTLY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ON LARGER LOTS SERVED BY WEDNESDAY AND SEPTIC OR WELL CLUSTERED. 
          JUST A LITTLE FOLLOWUP AND DETAIL. 
          TODAY WITH THE MAXIMUM OF THREE DWELLING UNITS PER NET ACRE, ROUGH CALCULATION OF WETLANDS ON SITE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE 287 UNITS ON THAT PROPERTY. UN UNDER THE LAKE ASBURY RURLTD COMMUNITY AGAIN COMPARING MAXIMUM TO MAXIMUM YOU CAN HAVE TWO DWELLING UNITS PER NET ACRE WITH CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR 192 DWELLING UNITS IF YOU MEET MAXIMUM SO YOU'RE ALMOST ABOUT 90 UNITS LESS UNDER THE PROPOSED CHANGE WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TODAY. LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IMPACT CENTRAL AWARD IS AVAILABLE IN SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO THE SITE TO SERVE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. 
          AT EITHER LAND IT'S CATEGORY AND DENSITY. 
          CENTRAL SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THE PRESENT TIME. 
          THERE IS SOLID WASTE CAPACITY AT THE COUNTY TO HANDLE ANY DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE AT EITHER DENSITY. 
          TRAFFIC REVIEW, EXISTING RF LAND USE WITH THE MAXIMUM OF 288 UNITS AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DENSITY OF GENERATION OF 1.02 TRIPS PER UNIT AND WE LOOK AT, WE CONSIDER THE PMP SO THAT'S THE RATE FOR THE PMP OUR GENERATION RATE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIT YOU COULD POTENTIALLY MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT 294 PEAK HOUR TRIPS. UNDER THE PROPOSED RURAL COMMUNITY LAND USE WITH MAXIMUM 192 UNIT YOU WOULD HAVE A POTENTIAL OF 196 PEAK HOUR TRIPS. 
          RECREATION STANDARDS DO NOT CHANGE ON THE LAND USE AND WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE LAKE ASBURY MASTERED PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          SCHOOL IMPACTS WOULD BE REDUCED PROPORTIONLY WITH REDUCTION AND ALLOWABLE DENSITY. JUST FINDINGS RECOMMENDATIONS AND SUMMARY, AS PROPOSED THE AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF 101.17 ACRES FROM LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE TO LAKE ASBURY RURAL COMMUNITY. 
          THE PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD RESULT IN REDUCTION IN THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY ON THE SUBJECT PARCEL. PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INCLUDING THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. 
          IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES AN DOES NOT PROMOTE URBAN SPRAWL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF COME PLAN 21-18 TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE 101.17 ACRES FROM LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE TO LAKE ASBURY RURAL COMMUNITY. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF 
          STAFF? >> ANY QUESTIONS? 
          MR. ANZALONE. >> I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. 
          YOU SHOWED A SLIDE EARLIER SEVERAL SLIDES PRIOR AND IT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT 40 PERCENT AND 30 PERCENT FOR WETLANDS AND SO ON. THE NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE POSTING HERE ARE THEY BASED ON THE FULL 101.17 ACHEERS? 
          >> BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON NET ACRES THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 4 
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          ACRES OF WETLANDS ON THE SITE. >> 4 ACHEERS? 
          >> YES. SO STAFF SUBTRACTED THOSE OUT BECAUSE THE DENSITY IS BASED THOSE MAX DENSITIES ARE BASED ON NET ACRES. SO, YOU CANNOT USE YOUR WET LAND 
          ACRES. >> RIGHT. 
          THAT I UNDERSTAND. BUT I'M JUST SEEING PERCENTAGES AND I'M CONFUSED. IF THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE OFF OF THE 100 ACRES OR JUST THE SMALL PORTION. 
          >> NO, THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE FOR THE ENTIRE 100.17 ACRES. 
          THEY ARE APPLIED GENERALLY TO GAIN THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY POINTS TO GO ABOVE THE ONE UNIT PER 5 ACRES AT THE BASE, TO IF YOU ARE, IF YOU CAN SET ASIDE AND HAVE THE ABILITY, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE APPROPRIATE COMMUNITIES ON SITE IF YOU SET THOSE ASIDE AND PROTECT THEM, YOU CAN GET ADDITIONAL POINTS TO INCREASE THE SO THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE BASED ON THE POLICY. NOT EVERY PARCEL THAT IS DESIGNATED RURAL COMMUNITY COULD OBTAIN THOSE ADDITIONAL DENSITIES BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE FACILITIES TO SET ASIDE 
          IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE'S ONLY 4 PERCENT OF THE HUNDRED ACRES. 
          >> ON THIS SITE IS WETLANDS. >> RIGHT. 
          >> THEY MAY HAVE UPLAND COMMUNITIES THAT WILL ALLOW THEM TO INCREASE THE DENSITY IF THEY SET THEM ASIDE, BESIDES THE WETLANDS. BECAUSE UPLANDS, YOU CAN SET ASIDE UPLANDS TO GAIN ADDITIONAL DENSITY POINTS. 
          >> OKAY. >> I THINK IT WAS ANSWERED. 
          THANK YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BUT YOU STATED IN THERE THAT YOU GO THROUGH THIS ABOUT ONE UNIT OR TWO UNITS BUT AT THE BOTTOM YOU SAY LACFED POLICY 1.2 AND .3 LIMIT TO ONE UNIT PER TWO ACRES FOR DEVELOPMENT SERVICE BY INDIVIDUAL WASTE WATER SYSTEMS. 
          >> RIGHT. IF THERE'S ANOTHER, THAT POLICY OR FOR THAT LAND USE HAS A NUMBER OF STOPPERS IN IT. 
          MY TERM, STOPPERS. ONE OF THE LIMITS IS IF YOU DO NOT HAVE CENTRAL SEWER YOU CAN ONLY DO ONE UNIT FOR TWO ACRES. 
          >> OKAY, SO THEY DON'T HAVE CENTRAL SEWER. 
          >> TODAY CENTRAL SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE SO IF CENTRAL SEWER WAS NOT EXTENDED TO THE SITE COULD YOU NOT BUILD MORE 50 UNITS OUT THERE. IF CENTRAL SEWER IS EXTENDED TO THE SITE THEN YOU COULD GO TO TWO UNITS PER ACRE. 
          >> SO THAT INCREASE ONE UNIT PER TWO ACRES TO ONE UNIT PER ACRE WHATEVER IT IS IS JUST AUTOMATIC IF THEY ALL OF A SUDDEN GET SEWER? IT WOULD ALLOW YOU, YES. 
          IF SEWER IS OUT THERE YOU COULD GO TO ONE UNIT OR ABOVE. 
          YOU CAN'T DO MORE THAN ONE IT FOR TWO ACRES IF YOU DON'T HAVE SEWER. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO WELL AND SEPTIC YOU CAN ONLY DO ONE UNIT PERIOD TWO ACRES. 
          >> RIGHT NOW WITHOUT CENTRAL WEATHER IS THEY'RE LIMITED TO 
          ONE UNIT PER TWO ACRES. >> YES. 
          BUT IF CENTRAL SEWER IS EXTENDED OUT THERE, IT COULD GO TO THE 
          TWO UNITS PER ACRE. >> PER ACRE. 
          OKAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD, I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE ON COMMISSIONER DAVIS'S QUESTIONING. SO, CURRENTLY TODAY THERE'S THREE UNITS PER ACHOR IS WHAT IT'S ZONED SO IF THEY BROUGHT 
          SEWER TO IT. >> THAT'S WHAT THE LAND USE IS. 
          >> I'M SORRY. WE ARE TALKING LAND USE MANY THANK YOU. SO IF THEY BROUGHT SEWER TO THE PROPERTY TODAY, THEY COULD HAVE THREE UNITS PER ACRE. 
          >> YES, WITH THE PROPER ZONING. >> YES. 
          >> YEAH. THERE'S A CAVEAT. 
          >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAITS CLEARED THEY BROUGHT SEWER TODAY THEY COULD HAVE THREE. IF THEY BROUGHT SEWER TOMORROW IF THIS WAS APPROVED THEY WOULD HAVE TWO. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. >> IS THAT IT FOR QUESTIONS? 
          ARE YOU GOOD BO? >> I'M GOD. 
          >>  MARCH  -- MARY? >> SUSAN FRASER, S.O.S. 
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CONSULTING [ADDRESS]? JACKSONVILLE. 
          SO YOU HEARD AN APPLICATION FOR THIS PROPERTY A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND WE WERE THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS RURAL FRINGE LAND USE AND MR. BOURRÉ IS CORRECT. IF WE WERE TO EXTEND SEWER, WE WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR A LAND USE CHANGE BECAUSE WE WOULD EXTEND THE SWURD HAND BUILD 287 HOUSES. 
          SO, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THE EXTENSION OF THE SEWER IS NOT AN INSIGNIFICANT EVENT FOR THIS PROPERTY. 
          IT IS AVAILABLE, CAPACITY IS AVAILABLE AT THE RAVINES WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT THERE. IS A PATH TO THE PROPERTY FROM THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANNED. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO COME TO BRANSON ROAD OR LAKE ASBURY BUT THERE'S PATH TO SEWER BUT IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE PROPOSITION. 
          AND SO IN CONSIDERING THE COMMUNITY THAT SURROUNDS THIS DEVELOPMENT AND WE WILL TALK A LOT ABOUT COMMUNITY TONIGHT, THE LAND OWNER, TEAM EFFORT, AFTER WE CAME TO THE LAST HEARING AND SAID WE WOULD LIKE TO DO 100 LOTS, 74 LOTS, I'M SO SORRY AND THE COUNTY YOU AS A PLANNING COMMISSION SAID WE ARE CONCERNED BECAUSE THE APPLICATION WAS TO ALLOW ACCEPT TIP TANKS IN THE LAND USE WE HAVE BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE ARE GOING TO DO LESS AND THE DENSITY WE HAD IT WAS LOWERED AND RURLD FRINGE RIGHT NOW SAYS YOU CAN HAVE NO FEWER THAN ONE UNIT PER ACRE NO LOWER DENSITY SO IF WE STAYED IN THE LAND USE CATEGORY WE HAVE, WE CAN'T HAVE FEWER THAN 100 LOTS. WE JUST CAN'T SO IT PUT US IN THIS BOX THAT SAID BRING THE SEWER AND DO 287 LOTS AND THAT WAS THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY WE HAD. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STAFF AND THE OPPORTUNITIES TO CHANGE ITS USE THE PROPOSAL YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IS OUR REQUEST. SO, TEAM EFFORT HAS OWNED THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2011. PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS ALSO A YOUTH CAMP. BOTH THESE ARE AFFILIATED YOUTH CAMPS. THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT FOR THAT PURPOSE AND AS YOU HEARD ME SAY IN OUR LAST MIX BUT FOR COVID IT WOULD STILL BE A YOUTH CAMP. THE DIRECTOR FOR TEAM EFFORT IS HERE TONIGHT. HE'S GOING TO SPEAK AFTER ME ABOUT HOW THE STATISTICS ARE HOLDING UP FOR CAMPS IN GENERAL DURING COVID BECAUSE SIMILAR TO THEIR EXPERIENCE CAMPS ARE CLOSING NATIONWIDE BECAUSE THERE ARE NO CAMPERS AND NO REVENUE. 
          THEY LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAVE TO MAKE SERIOUS DECISIONS SO THAT'S REALLY THE REASON WE ARE HERE TONIGHT. 
          SO WITH THAT KIND OF CHANGE IN HER BUSINESS MODEL AND HE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT. MIKE, IF YOU CAN GIVE THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WHILE THEY DO OPERATE YOUTH CAMPS ON RENTED PROPERTY, THIS IS THE PROPERTY THEY OWN. 
          THIS IS THE NATIONAL PROPERTY THEY OWN SO THE IMPROVEMENT IS THEIRS THE PROPERTY IS THEIRS THE DEBT IS THEIRS. 
          WHEN THEY SELL THIS PROPERTY FOR ANOTHER USE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS A YULT CAMP BUT THEY WILL RENT AT OTHER FACILITIES WHO THE MODEL NOW IS BECOMING THAT YOU HAVE PROPERTY FOR YOUTH CAMP PURPOSES BUT YOU RENT THEM 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR AND SO THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY IS NOT USED TO THAT HIGH INTENSITY AND THAT'S NOT BEEN THEIR PATH. SO THEY HAVE CHOSEN TO SELL THIS PROPERTY AND OPERATE THE YOUTH CAMP OPERATIONS FROM CAMPS AROUND THE COUNTRY RENTING THOSE FACILITIES ON A WEEKLY OR MONTHLY BASIS AS THEY NEED THEM. THANKS. 
          SO, THE FUTURE LAND USE IS RURAL FRINGE AND AS YOU'VE HEARD ME STAYED AND IT'S THE SAME LAND USE THAT EVERYBODY AROUND US HAS AND IT WAS APPLIED TO THIS PROPERTY BACK IN 2006 WHEN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED BEFORE 2006 IT ALSO HAD RURAL FRINGE. SO BEFORE 2006, THIS PROPERTY PROPERTY COULD HAVE TWO UNITS PER ACHE WEATHER SEPTIC TANKS SO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY HAVE SEPTIC TANKS AND MANY LOTS ARE HALF I CAN ACHOR IN SIZE AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO DO THAT THROUGH 2006. LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED AND CHANGE THEIR RIGHT AND THE RIGHTS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT SAID YOU HAVE TO HAVE CENTRAL WATER AND SO NEW LOTS CREATED BY ANYONE IN THIS ROOM IN THAT COLOR HAS TO HAVE CENTRAL WATER, CENTRAL SEWER, I'M SORRY FOR THE COUNTY TO ISSUE A BUILDING PERMIT SO THE RESTRICTION ON THE TEAM EFFORT PROPERTY IS A RESTRICTION ON EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE 
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RURAL FRINGE IN LAKE ASBURY. SO WE WERE ALL TROTTING ALONG 2006 THE WORLD CHANGED. THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT US TO YOU BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE SEPTIC TANKS. 
          IT'S NOT PERMITTED. SO THIS LAND USE CATEGORY, SO AGAIN THIS DESIGNATION APPLIES TO EVERYBODY IN THE ORANGE RURAL FRINGE. THE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE IS WHO ARE YOU, SO THE RURAL FRINGE IS SEWER AND 3 UNITS PER ACRE F. 
          YOU BROUGHT SEWER IN I WOULDN'T NEED TO CHANGE THE LAND USE SO I HAVE A BETTER DENSITY WITH SEWER TODAY. 
          SO THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. 
          NEXT SLIDE. SO, THE BASE DENSITY IN RURAL COMMUNITY IS ONE UNIT PER FIVE ACRES SO I GET 19 LOTS, RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX AND SO, THAT'S THE BASE DENSITY IN RURAL COMMUNITY. BUT THE COUNTY WANTS TO INCENTIVIZE THE PRESERVATION OF HOSPITAL SPACE AND NATURAL COMMUNITIES, COMMUNITIES FOR ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THREATENED SPECIES SO IF WE HAVE THAT ON THE PROPERTY AND WE DO, WE HAVE SUBMITTED AN ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT TO THE STAFF, IF WE SET ASIDE 40 PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY OR 38 AND A HALF ACRES AS OPEN SPACE WITH NO DEVELOPMENT ON IT WE THEN CAN ACCESS TWO UNITS PER ACRE. 
          SO NOW I'VE GOT A HUNDRED LOTS. I'VE GOT A HUNDRED ACRES. 
          187 LOTS. BUT THEN THE NEXT LAYER COMES ON AND SAYS IF YOU DON'T HAVE WEATHER IS THE MAX IS ONE UNIT PERIOD TWO ACRES SO ANYBODY IN LAKE ASBURY WHOSE LOT IS LESS THAN TWO ACRES I'M GOING TO HAVE LESS DENSITY THAN YOU HAVE. 
          SO WE ARE ON THAT PATH. 19 LOTS MAYBE SOMEBODY WANTS TO BIDE IT FOR 19 LOTS THAT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA BUT LIKELIHOOD IS SET ASIDE 40 PERCENT OF THE PROPERTY 38 ACRES OPEN SPACE THE COMMUNITY CAN USE FOR PARKS TRAILS PRESERVATION OF HAS BEEN AT THAT TIME. WE WILL NOT HAVE SEWER SO WE WILL HAVE 48 LOTS MAXIMUM. WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN STANDARDS FOR PARKS SO NO ONE IN LAKE ASBURY AROUND HAS MET THAT STANDARD BECAUSE THEY EXISTED BFD THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 500 SQUARE FIGHT OF PARKLAND PER UNIT STANDARD FOR LAKE ASBURY FOR DEVELOPMENT WE WILL HAVE TO APPROVE THAT HAVE PLAY GROUND EQUIPMENT GAZEBO AND THAT KIND OF THING THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED AND THEY'LL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THE PROPERTY WILL BE SUBJECT TO ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES FEES BECAUSE AGAIN THEIR GEPD UNDER LAKE ASBURY SO THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY THE FAIR MARKET VALUE OF 1.35 PERCENT OF THEIR DEVELOPABLE LAND SO THAT'S ACREAGE TIMES A NUMBER SIMILAR TO ALL THESE 600 SUBDIVISION LOTS IN THAT AREA WERE ALSO SUBJECTED TO THAT FEED AND IT'S PER ACRE FEE SO THAT WILL BE PAID BEFORE DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. 
          SO REALLY THIS IS A STEP BACK IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. 
          WE'RE GOING TO THE LAND USE CATEGORY BELOW THE ONE WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE THE ONE WE HAVE NOW REQUIRES CENTRAL SEWER. 
          IF THIS IS GRANTED, WE WILL HAVE 48 LOTS INSTEAD OF 287 SO THAT'S A LOWER IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS, THAT IS A LOWER IMPACT ON THE ROADS, THE TRIP GENERATION RATE FOR 48 SINGLE HOMES IS 49 PEAK HOUR TRIPS AND SO HAT 287 IT'S AROUND 300 PEAK OUR TRIPS. 
          SO THIS IS TRULY A REDUCTION IN DENSITY AND THIS IS OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE LOCATION WHERE THE PROPERTY IS. THE FACT THAT THE LAND VAM UNITS HAVE BECOME SO OUTRAGEOUS, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN SELL FOR THEM. BUT ALSO BECAUSE THE PROPERTY PRICES ARE SO OUTRAGEOUS IT MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO BRING IN SEWER. IN OLD TIME FIVE YEARS AGO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT THE SEWER EXTENSION AND SAY IT'S NOT FEASIBLE BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE ANYMORE. 
          300 HOUSES IN THIS LOCATION ON CENTRAL SEWER WOULD BE QUITE ATTRACTIVE FOR MANY DEVELOPERS LOOKING FOR LOCATIONS OF 
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EXCLUSIVIVITY. SO WE HAVE A SITUATION THAT'S A WIN FOR THE COUNTY ALMOST 250 LOTS LESS THAN WE CAN HAVE NOW AND OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE THE MOST CURRENT IN THE COUNTY, PAYMENT OF FEES WHICH ARE CONTRIBUTING TOWARD ROAMED CONSTRUCTION AND TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          EVERY HOME THAT'S HERE AS ANY BUILDING PERMITTED IN CLAY COUNTY PAYS A MOBILITY FEE SO THEY'LL PAY $6500 A LOT TOWARD ANY TRANSPRTATION IMPACTS THAT THEY HAVE. 
          SO, THIS IS DEVELOPMENT BUT IT'S PROBABLY THE SMALLEST DEVELOPMENT YOU'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME. 
          48 LOTS ON A HUNDRED ACRES WITH ALMOST 40 ACRES OF OPEN SPACE AS PART OF THAT PROPERTY. SO, THAT'S WHERE THE 40 PERCENT COMES FROM. THE 40 PERCENT IS OF THE TOTAL. 
          YOU HAVE TO SET THAT SIDE AND CAN'T PUT ANY DEVELOPMENT ON IT IF YOU WANT TO GO ABOVE 19 LOTS AND THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATED WILL HAPPEN. I WOULD LIKE TO LET MR. DOUG JONES SPEAK. HE'S SPENT A LOT OF TIMES IN THE COMMUNITY MEETING. SOMETIMES YOU GO TO MEET YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PEOPLES CONCERNS ARE AND THEN YOU HAVE TIME TO GO BACK AND ADDRESS THEM AND I THINK HE'S GOING TO TELL YOU HE 
          WAS SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT. >> GOOD EVENING. 
          I'M DOUG JONES, 839 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE GREEN COAST STREAMS. I'M DIRECTOR OF TEAM EFFORT. IT'S A 501 [C] 3 INCORPORATED IN STATE OF FLORIDA OPERATING MISSION TRIPS STATESIDE SINCE 1993. WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY IN 2011 AND HAVE OPERATED CAMPS AN OFFICES THERE SINCE THEN AND I WOULD SAY JUST AS A SIDE NOTE SOME OF THAT DOES INCLUDE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, FEW OLD LAIDISTS IN MIDDLEBURG HAD WE NOT REBUILT THEIR HOMES AFTER THE STORMS, SO ANYTHING I SAY IN HERE WE CONSIDER OURSELVES A COMMUNITY I THINK WE HAVE EARNED THAT RIGHT BECAUSE WE HELP FOLKS REBUILD THEIR HOMES AT NO CHARGE TO THEM. AS SUSAN SAID AS A RESULT OF SOME YEARS OF DECLINE IN THE CAMPING INDUSTRY YOU'VE SEEN RIGHT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY BUT ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF COVID OUR ORGANIZATION HAD TO RECALIBRATED OUR MODEL HOW WE OPEN ARRANGEMENT AND THIS INCLUDES THE NECESSITY TO SELL THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE CAN NO LONGER CONTINUE TO PAY THE DEBT AND MAINTAIN THAT PROPERTY. WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR BUSINESS MODEL AND WE ARE LOOKING TO DO THAT WE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS. 
          WE ARE NOT VINVESTIGATORS, WE AE NOT BUILDERS WE ARE JUST COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TRYING TO SELL A PROPERTY IN THE MOST RESPECTFUL WAY WE K. OUR NEED OUR GOAL IS TO SELL THE LAND BUT ALSO TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING IT IN A WAY THAT'S RESPECTFUL OF THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY AN REFLECTIVE ABOUT WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THE LAKE ASBURY NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IN DOING THIS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT GOES IN THERE REFLECTS THAT AND RESPECTS THAT. TO THAT END WE'VE GONE DOOR TO DOOR TALKING TO NEIGHBORS TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEM WHAT THE PLAN ACTUALLY IS BECAUSE THE RUMORS WERE EVERYWHERE, WHAT THE PLAN REALLY IS AND ANSWER THEIR QUESTIONS AND HOPEFULLY ADDRESS SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS N. F WE HAVE SOME SHEETS HERE WE WENT AROUND AND READ JUST A SIMPLE PARAGRAPH ABOUT WHAT THE PLANS ARE AND SIGN IT ON 2-1 RATIO SO ONCE WE WERE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO FOLKS WHAT IT IS NOT WHAT IT MIGHT BE, THEY WERE UNDERSTANDING. NOT EVERYBODY BUT A WHOLE LOT MORTD. I'LL READ IT TO YOU. 
          >> WE WANT TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE SEE GOING ON ALL AROUND US MANY WE LOVER OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAND ARE DETERMINED TO PROTECT ITS UNIQUE CHARACTER. 
          THAT LED TO QUESTIONS I ANSWERED. 
          THERE ARE NO BURROW PIMENTS RURAL COMMUNITY YOU DOESN'T ALLOW FOR BURROW PITS. WE ARE SETTING ASIDE FOR 
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TURKEYS, GOATS, THAT THE DAM WAS INSPECTED BY THE DEP AND THE CONTRACTORS PAID FOR BY THE DEP THAT DID AN EXHAUSTIVE DAM STUDY. THEY RATED IT AS SATISFACTORY WHICH IS THE HIGHEST RATING THAT DAM CAN GET AND FEW THINGS THEY WANT TO US DO WHICH WE HAVE TALKED TO AN EVENING NEAR COMPANY ABOUT DOING IT. WE HAVE THE PROFESSIONAL VIRALENVIRONMENTAL EVALUATION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WILDLIFE THE WETLANDS AND ULTIMATELY THE LOTS AN LAY HOUTD WOULD RESEMBLE WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          IT WAS GOOD AND WE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T WANT TO TALK TO US, BUT WE HAD LIKE I SAID ON 2 TO 1 RATIO WE HAD FOLKS UNDERSTOOD ONCE WE HAD TALKED TO THEM SOME PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING AND DIDN'T LIKE IT BUT AT LEAST WE HAD WERE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE AND TEND RUMORS. 
          LAST I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT A PAT ON OUR BACK. 
          WE ARE NOT DEVELOPERS BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE TO SELL THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE SIN SEARED IN SAYING WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT REALLY DOES RESPECT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY. WE DO WANT TO DO THAT. 
          WE MAY MAKE MORE OR LESS MONEY BUT WE WANT TO RESPECT THE COMMUNITY AND I THINK CLAY COUNTY IS A PLACE FOR LAND OWNERS THAT WANT TO SELL AND ALSO MAKE SURE WHAT HAPPENS FITS IN THE AREA IN WHICH THEY'RE SELLING THE LAND. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE IT. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> FOR THE RECORD. 
          >> ARE YOU GOOD THEN? I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ONE. I DO HAVE A STACK OF CARDS HERE SO IT WILL TAKE A WHILE TO GET THROUGH EVERYTHING. 
          SO IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER PRETTY MUCH AS THEY WERE HANDED TO ME. 
          IF THE PERSON SOMEBODY KIND OF COVERS THE GROUND YOU WANT TO COVER, IT'S PERFECTLY FIND FORWARD YOU TO SAY I AGREE WITH WHAT THE PREVIOUS OR OTHER SPEAKER SAID. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO REPEAT THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN BUT YOU HAD DO HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES TO DO WITH IT AS YOU WISH. OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL START WITH THE ONE ON THE TOP HERE. 
          RONNIE ROBINSON. OUR FORMER COMMISSIONER, RONNIE 
          ROBINSON. >> WILL YOU TO ME A FAVOR BEFORE I STARTED? WILL YOU BRING THE LAND BACK UP? 
          >> THAT CHOSE THE DIFFERENT LAND USES? 
          >> YES THAT, SHOWS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN. 
          >> YOU WANT THE ONE WITH THE COLORS ON IT, RIGHT? 
          >> YES. >> THAT ONE? 
          >> NO. SHOW THE HOUSES THAT ARE BUILT 
          AROUND IT, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THE ACTUAL SATELLITE PICTURE? 
          >> THAT WOULD BE FINE. >> OKAY. 
          >> MY NAME IS RONNIE ROBINSON. THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. 
          LIVE AT 464 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE FOR THE RECORD AND I WAS UP HERE THE LAST MEETING. OF COURSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED A GREAT DEAL. I CAN UNDERSTAND THERE'S A NEED TO SELL THIS PROPERTY, THE DEMAND THEY HAD WANT TO SELL IT BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S EVER BEEN A HUNDRED ACHERS IN THE MIDDLE OF A SUBDIVISION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT IN PLACE FOR 60 YEARS AND IT WAS TOLD WHEN PEOPLE CAME IN TO BUY THAT PROPERTY EVERYBODY WAS TOLD THAT WOULD HAULS BED USED AS ORIGINALLY FOR THE METHAMPHETAMINE DIFFICULTIES CHURCH. 
          THERE'S ALSO AN ARTICLE WHEN THAT PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT AND SOLD TO MR. JONES WHERE THEY NOT IN WRITING BUT WERE TOLD IN THE ARTICLE THAT THEY TWO NOT EVER SELL IT FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          SEPTIC TANKS ARE A BIG DEAL. I GO BACK TO 1967 BACK DOWN THERE. THERE'S ALSO A PROBLEM WITH THIS DAM. THERE HAVE BEEN [UNCLEAR] PROBLEMS WITH THAT DAM AND EVERYBODY JUST PASSED HOA PAYING $4700 A YEAR TO MAINTAIN THE LAKES AND THE LAKE DOESN'T HAVE THE QUALITY IT HAD IN THE 70S. IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. 
          IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT FOR SOMEBODY TO COME N. HE'S NOT A DEVELOPER BUT IS GOING THROUGH A DEVELOPER AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH DEVELOPERS. I WANT TO TELL YOU WHAT, AMERICA NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO BUILD AND SELL HOUSES BUT WHERE DID THE 4 
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PERCENT WETLANDS COME UP? ARE YOU SAYING THIS HAS 4 
          PERCENT WETLANDS? >> THERE'S NOT BEEN A SURVEY OF 
          THE WETLANDS. >> I DON'T KNOW OF ANY LOTS IN FLORIDA THAT'S NOT CLOSE TO 50/50 PERCENT WELL. 
          I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A SURVEY AND 
          I DIDN'T THINK THERE WOULD BE. >> COMMENT PLEASE. 
          >> SORRY. I KNEW BETTER. 
          ANYWAY, YOU'VE GOT THE TRAFFIC IN AND OUT GOING INTO THIS THING. IT'S LAND LOCK. 
          YOU COME DOWN BRANSON OR LAKE AS BYRD DRIVE THERE'S ABOUT 450 HOMES AROUND THE LAKE. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THROUGH THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, PROBABLY A PUSH TO A THOUSAND I GUESS BUT WE JUST DON'T NEED MEMORIAL DAY TRAFFIC DOWN THERE AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY PROMISED BY EVERYBODY THAT PROPERTY WOULD NEVER BE DEVELOPED BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE BOUGHT DOWN THERE BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME AND PLEASE CONSIDER THIS. IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY OF LAKE ASBURY. WHEN YOU PUT THE ROAD IN ON LAKE ASBURY WE AGREED TO DO A LOT DOWN THERE, THERE WERE PONDS DOWN THERE DIDN'T HAVE PROBLEM GETTING IT IN THERE. 
          THE COUNTY PROMISED TO BRING THE SUCTION TRUCK OUT EVERY TWO YEARS, IT HASN'T BEEN OUT THERE ONCE IN 7 YEARS. 
          YOU MIGHT LOOK INTO THAT. MAYBE THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB AS A 
          COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU SIR. 
          [APPLAUSE] >> NO, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. OKAY? I'M GOING TO CALL TWO NAMES HERE. 
          FIRST IS MAURICE LANIER AND RIGHT AFTER HIM WILL BE DEBBIE DUKES. SO MISS DUKES IF YOU'D BE READY 
          TO COME UP AFTER MAURICE LANIER. >> MY MOM IS MAURICE LANIER. 
          I LIVE AT 163 ALDER'S GATE STREET JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION. AS YOU ALREADY KNOW THIS PROPERTY WAS DONATED TO THE JACKSONVILLE METHODIST CHURCH FOR FELLOWSHIP SURROUNDED BY NATURE AND THAT'S WHAT THE L.A. 
          R.C. AND STAND FOR LAKE ASBURY RETREAT CENTER. 
          UNFORTUNATELY THEY SEE SELLING THIS PROPERTY AS THE ONLY WAY. 
          I'M DISAPPOINTED THIS CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION HASN'T BEEN A BETTER STEWARD OF THE LAND THAT WA DONATED TO BE A RETREAT. 
          I EXTENDED AN INVITATION TO DRIVE DOWN ALDER'S GATE STREET OVER OUR CRUMBLING ASPHALT FROM WATER MAIN BREAKS AND BE AWARE OF THE TURKEY AND THE DEER AND SEE THIS BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY AND IT'S JUST A SHAME TO SEE SO MUCH OF THE WILDLIFE HABITAT AND SO MANY TREES BEING BULLDOZED FOR MORE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO, YOU HOLD IN YOUR HANDS THE FUTURE LANDSCAPE LITERALLY OF OUR LONG-STANDING COMMUNITY AND THE FULTD LIFE OF ALL WHO LIVE THERE. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> THIS IS MY FIRST MEETING. 
          I GIVE MY ADDRESS? >> WE HAD WOULD JUST LIKE YOUR 
          NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE. >> 535 WILLIAM PENN STREET ORANGE PARK MOVED TO LAKE ASBURY IN 1980. 
          MY PARENTS STILL LIVE THERE. MY CHILDHOOD FRIENDS LIVE THERE. 
          WE ARE RIGHT OFF LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. 
          ACTUALLY, SOMEBODY MENTIONED ABOUT THE ARTICLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO READ THE ARTICLE, PLEASE. 
          THIS WAS FOR THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH. 
          FOR THE BETTER PART OF TWO DECADES, MEMBERS MUCH MIDDLEBURG UNITED CHURCH HAVE GATHERED TO CELEBRATE THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST. A CROSS OF ABOUT 15 FEET HIGH TOWERS FROM THE SHORE OF THE SPRING FED LAKE AGAINST A BACKDROP OF SKY WOODS AND WATER. IT REALTYY SETS A LOVELY TONE AND GREAT SCENE FOR WHAT WE ARE CELEBRATING, SAID DEREK JEFFERSON, MIDDLEBURG DIRECTOR OF YOUTH MINISTRIES. 
          WE HAD GET TO WATCH THE SUNRISE OVER THE LAKE. 
          USUALLY THERE'S A MIST HOVERING ABOVE THE WATER. 
          IT'S A VERY RECEIVE RENT TIME. LARC AS THE CENTER IS CALLED IS IN GREENCO SOUTH OF JACKSONVILLE. 
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SO WHEN LARC WHICH WAS DONATED 1974 WAS SOLD IN APRIL, TO A NON-METHODIST ORGANIZATION, THERE WERE CONCERNS. 
          JEFFERSON FELT ANXIOUS UNTIL HE SPOKE TO THE NEW OWNERS. 
          THEY WERE JUST SO GRACIOUS AND KIND AND THEY OFFERED THE FACILITY TO US AT NO COST TO PUT ON THIS FUNCTION FOR THE COMMUNITY, HE SAID. TEAM EFFORT A GEORGIA BASED GROUP THAT RUNS CHRISTIAN YOUTH GROUP MISSION CAMPS BROUGHT THE PROPERTY AFTER THE FLORIDA ANNUAL CONFERENCE DECIDED THAT YEAR TO SELL THE FACILITY. THE THING THAT WE WERE MOST PLEASED ABOUT IS THAT TEAM EFFORT IS GOING TO KEEP IT AS A CAMP AND A RETREAT CENTER SAID REVEREND DAVID [UNCLEAR] EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF FLORIDA UNITED METHODIST CAMP. 
          IT'S NOT GOGTD TO BE SOLD TO A DEVELOPER WHO WOULD TEAR DOWN A NATURAL CENTER. WE ARE VERY PLEASED THAT THIS IS THE WAY IT TURNED OUT. THE REVEREND TIMOTHY SMILEY A NORTHEAST DISTRICT SUPERINTENDENT ALSO EXPRESSED SATISFACTION WITH THE OUTCOME OF THE SALE ESPECIALLY SINCE TEAM EFFORT HAS INDICATED THAT GROUPS THAT PREVIOUSLY USE THE FALTD WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE FIRST PRIORITY. 
          AMONG THOSE GROUPS ARE -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE IT. 
          THERE'S THESE TWO GROUPS WHICH OFFER SPIRITUAL RETREATS FOR METHODISTS INVOLVED. MY CONCERN IS THAT THIS PROPERTY IS USED MORE EXTENSIVELY. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY BUT IN MANY WAYS, IT'S JUST SITTING THERE. 
          15 YEARS THIS DISTRICT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO GENERATE A PERSON'S PASSION, I CAN'T READ FAST ENOUGH. 
          SORRY. MY TIME IS UP. 
          >> CAN YOU JUST WRAP IT UP PLEASE? 
          >> BASICALLY WHAT HE SAID IN THE END THE INTENT IS GOOD AND THEY'RE PLEASED HOW IT'S TURNED OUT THERE IS NOTHING THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE AND IT WILL NEVER BE SOLD TO A DEVELOPER. 
          IT'S A WIN-WIN AND REAL GOOD STEWARDSHIP. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BECKY KIEFER AND SHE WILL BY 
          FOLLOWED BY KEN KIEFER. >> HI. 
          MY NAME IS BECKY KIEFER. [ADDRESS] TEAM EFFORT HAS REQUESTED A LAND USE CHANGE DURING A CURRENT MORE TOLL. 
          WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? THEY ARE CURRENTLY ZONED PS-2. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION 3-33 B OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN FIRST PARAGRAPH STATES THE COUNTY SHALL REZONE UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES BACK TO THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT FOR EACH LAND USE REQUEST WHICH IS CURRENTLY RURAL FRINGE BY REQUESTING RURAL COMMUNITY IT MAKES IT LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE APPEALING TO THE BOARD BECAUSE IT APPLIES LESS DENSITY. 
          I HAVE HEARD THIS BOARD MANY TIMES SAY, THIS PROJECT IS NOT RIGHT FIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY N. MY OPINION, THIS APPLIES HERE TONIGHT REGARDING THIS PROJECT. WE ARE A COMMUNITY OF 850 PLUS RESIDENTS WITH ONE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR COMMUNITY. HE IS REQUESTING A LAND USE CHANGE FROM CAMP. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT HERE TONIGHT, I BOUGHT MY PROPERTY WITH KNOWING THE 100 ACRES WAS ZONED CAMP DEEMED AS DESIRABLE CONSERVATION LAND THAT WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE DEVELOPED FOR YEARS TO COME. 
          MY DAILY COMMUTE THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALLOWS ME A PEACE OF MIND KNOWING THIS PROPERTY IS IN MY COMMUNITY. 
          BY GRANTING THIS LAND USE TONIGHT THIS WILL ALLOW TEAM EFFORT TO SAID THIS LAND TO A DEVELOPER WITH FULL KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY WILL COME BACK AND REQUEST SEPTIC TANKS. 
          WE ARE NOT -- WHEN WE ARE NOT LOOKING CAN YOU JUST IMAGINE THESE 4850 IF THAT'S EVEN THE NUMBER HOMES WOULD GO TO ACCEPT PARTICULAR TANKS. THESE SEPTIC TANKS FLOW TO A LOWER LAKE THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 20-PLUS FEET LOWER THAN LAKE LARK. I HOPE MOST OF YOU HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO READ THE STUDY FOR LAKE LARK. 
          IT REFERENCES GROUND WATER ELEVATION POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND SEPTIC TANK SYSTEMS MANY I AM ASKING I'M OF YOU TONIGHT TO VOTE NO BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A RIGHT FIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 
          TEAM EFFORT BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY AS A CAMP AND IT SHOULD REMAIN A CAMP. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. KEN KIEFER AND THEN AFTER MR. KIEFER WOULD BE SHARON KAY M 
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          MANLEY. >> I'M KEN KIEFER. 
          I LIVE AT [ADDRESS]. I HOPE YOU HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE GEOLOGICAL STUDY THAT WAS PASSED OUT. IT'S 8 PAGES. 
          I HOPE YOU GUYS GOT IT ON PAGE 3 UNDER GEOLOGICAL WATER MS. FRASER NEGLECTED TO REVEAL LAKE LARK HAS SAND BOILS AND SPRINGS ON THE HUNDRED ACRES. IF THEY ARE DISRUPTED THROUGH DEVELOPMENT IT COULD CAUSE SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO THE PRESENT AQUIFER. THE GEOLOGICAL STUDY SHOWS THAT WITH A LOT OF RAINFALL, SAND BOILS AND SPRINGS WILL OVERFLOW AND DRAIN INTO LAKE LARK, LAKE ASBURY AND ONTO BLACK CREEK CAUSING WATER CONTAMINATION AND POSSIBLE FLOODING. 
          LAKE LARK FLOWS DIRECTLY INTO A FINGER OF LAKE ASBURY. 
          THUS, ANY CONTAMINATIONS OF GROUND WATER, INCLUDING TURBIDITY OILS GAS POLLUTANTS AND OTHER SILTS COULD CAUSE LOSS IN VALUES TO WATERFRONT PROPERTY. 
          ACCORDING TO OUR GEOLOGICAL STUDY MORE THAN HALF LAKE LARK HAS SEVERE RESTRICTIONS FOR BUILDING AND SEPTIC TANKS. 
          THIS AREA ALSO POSES EROSION PROBLEMS IF OVERDEVELOPED. 
          ALSO ACCORDING TO THE STUD THEY COULD CAUSE FUTURE PROBLEMS AN ENDANGER THE WATER SOURCES OF LAKE LARK. 
          THE MOST IMPORTANT PAGE OF THIS GEOLOGICAL STUDY IS PAGE 8 WHERE IT REVEALS THAT 71 ACRES HAVE SEVERE RESTRICTIONS FOR SEPTIC TANKS AND BUILDING. NOT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT, LEAVING THE REST OF THE PROPERTY EVERYTHING EROSION PROBLEMS IF ANYTHING IS BUILT ON IT. PLEASE REVIEW THE STAFF REPORT UNDER RECOMMENDATIONS PAGE 9. THERE'S A MAP THAT LISTS THE SOIL TYPES. THEY LIST 14 SOIL TYPES, BUT ONLY 7 OF THESE SOILS ARE LISTED ON THE PROPERTY SITE. 
          EACH ONE OF THESE 7 SOILS WHEN YOU LOOK UP ON THE U.S. 
          DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE SOIL TEST SHOWS THAT THESE SOILS ARE NOT GOOD FOR SEPTIC TANKS. THEY DO NOT PERCOLATE PROPERLY AND THEY HAVE POOR DRAINAGE. IF YOU'LL LOOK AT PAGE 8 ON YOUR -- YOU'LL SEED THAT THE AREAS THEY HAVE FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT LOOK GOOD ACCORDING TO THIS REPORT ARE THE B SECTIONS AND 3A. THESE SECTIONS HERE IF DEVELOPED WILL CAUSE TERRIBLE EROSION BECAUSE OF HOW HIGH THEY ARE ON THIS PROPERTY. AS YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, ALL ARROWS OF DRAINAGE FLOW FROM THE OUTER EDGES OF THIS PROPERTY, DOWN INTO LAKE LARK, WHICH CAUSES RIGHT NOW WITH ALL THE TREES AND VEGETATION IT HELPS THE EROSION BUT WITH DEVELOPMENT IT WILL CAUSE A SEVERE EROSION ALL AROUND. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OKAY. 
          SHARON DAY -- CAPTURE MANLEY. >> FOR THE PATH 35 YEARS MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE LIVED AT [ADDRESS] LAKE ASBURY, A CURRENT MOMENT OF THE HOA AND PAST MEMBER OF THE MINISTRY DISTRICT. 
          WE HAVE FOUR URBAN DAMS. ONE OF THEM IS LAKE LARK. 
          ALL OF THOSE DAMS ARE RATED HIGH HAZARD POTENTIAL. 
          MEANING LOSS OF LIFE IF THEY BUST. 
          IF THEY ERODE, IF THEY HAVE PROBLEMS MANY ALL FOUR DAMS HAVE DIFFERENT CONDITIONAL SYSTEMS. LAKE LARK IS RATED AS FAIR. 
          FAIR IS BETTER THAN POOR. ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO IT WAS RATED AS SATISFACTORY. THAT MEANS THAT DAM IS DECLINING. MR. JONES CLAIMS HE'S GOT AN ESTIMATE FOR REPAIR OF THIS DAM. ABOUT $55,000 REPAIRS THAT AMOUNT SOUNDS VERY EXPENSIVE TO ME AND I'M SUSPICIOUS BECAUSE ACCORDING TO OUR CURRENT MUNICIPAL BENEFIT DISTRICT 
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CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WE'VE GOT ABOUT $7.4 MILLION WORTH OF REPAIRS TO OUR DAMS. IF YOU COMPARE LAKE LARK TO LAKE RYAN WHICH IS SIMILAR IN SIZE LAKE RYAN HAS $1.2 MILLION WORTH OF REPAIRS YET WE'VE GOT DARTED 55,000 ON LAKE LARK? I QUESTION THAT. YOU COULD POSSIBLY UNDERSTAND ONLY $55,000 IF THE LAND REMAINED AS A CAMP. 
          THERE WOULD BE MUCH LESS STRESS AN RUNOFF BUT ADDING HOMES TO THAT AREA ADDS STRESS TO LAKE LARK AND RUNS DIRECT LID INTO LAKE ASBURY. THE ADDITIONAL SILT AND RUNOFF FROM YARD WASTE SEPTIC TANKS AND STORM WATER HASN'T BEEN PLANNED FORWARD IN ANY OF OUR PLANS FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE LAKE ASBURY LAKE SYSTEM. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE FINGER ON OUR SOUTH LAKE THAT ACCEPTS DRAINAGE FROM SEMINOLE VILLAGE AND THAT'S BEEN DAMAGED SO MUCH THAT THERE'S BEEN A COLLAPSE OF THAT FINGER THERE. ARE SEVERAL HOMES THAT NO LONGER HAVE WATERFRONT PROPERTY. IT'S SAND AND SILT NOW INSTEAD OF WATER. THIS COLLAPSE HAPPENED BECAUSE OF POORG PLANNING, FROM THE PLANNING FROM CLAY COUNTY AND POOR PLANNING FROM THE DEVELOPERS. 
          PLANNING IS REQUIRED. THIS PAST YEAR, LAKE ASBURY EXPERIENCED OUR WORST YEAR EVER WITH ALGAE. 
          AND IT WASN'T ONLY FROM OUR HOMES ON LAKE ASBURY. 
          WITH THE INCREASED HOME BUILDING ON HENLEY ROAD AND THE DRAINING OF THEIR RETENTION PONDS ALL OF THAT FLOWED RIGHT INTO DIRECT LID INTO LAKE ASBURY. WE WERE HIT WITH AN ALGAE GROWTH LIKE WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. WE WERE UNABLE TO USE OUR LAKE FRONT. IT SMELLED IT WAS UNSIGHTLY AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT THE ALGAE IS DOING TO THE BOTTOM OF OUR LAKES AND I KNOW I'M OVER TIME BUT MORE SEPTIC TANKS? 
          Y'ALL WANT MORE? >> THANK. 
          >> I'LL JUST REFER TO YOU THIS ARTICLE IN CLAY TODAY WHERE THE COUNTY UTILITY IS TAKING OUT 70 SEPTIC TANKS AN REPLACING THEY 
          HAD WITH THE SEWER SYSTEM. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          >> THANK YOU. IF WANT TO TAKE THAT ARTICLE AND GIVE IT TO STAFF, THEY HAD CAN INCLUDE IT IN THE MINUTES. 
          >> STEPHEN RIZZO. NEXT WOULD BE KEN FOSTER. 
          >> STEPHE RIZZO [ADDRESS] AT THE TOWN MEETING THAT WE HAD WHERE MISS FRAZIER AND DOUG PRESENTED THIS TOWN, I TALKED ABOUT WHY DON'T WALL OFF LAKE ASBURY DRIVE, BRANS COMB AND ALDER'S GATE AND ACCESS IT FROM EAGLES POINT TO 218. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO A LOT OF THE PEOPLE HERE. 
          IT WAS IGNORED. WE TALKED ABOUT GIVE THIS INSURANCE THAT YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO DO 80 HOUSES AT THE TIME, NOW IT'S 48 AND NO MORE THAT THAT'S NOT JUST PHASE 1 AND YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO PHASE 2 ANOTHER TIME THEM. 
          COULDN'T DO. GIVE US EVEN A VERBAL COMMITMENT. ARE YOU WILLING TO SIGN SOMETHING SAYING THERE NO BURROW PITS NO POND DUG, THEY WOULDN'T GIVE THAT TO US. THAT'S ON THE WAY. 
          YOU HEARD A LOT ABOUT OUR DAMS. I'M NOT TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE LARK DAM. THAT'S PRIVATE. 
          THAT'S THEIRS BUT THE ONES THAT I'M PAYING FOR AND EVERY LAKE FRONT RESIDENT IS PAYING $2004 NEW TAXES EACH YEAR TO PAY FOR THIS DAM RENOVATION PROJECT AND NOW WE ARE GOING THEIR DUMP TRUCKS EMPTY AND FILL, AND TRUCKS DRIVING ACROSS THESE FRAGILE DAMS. IT'S NOT THE TIME AND PLACE FOR IT. I FULLY UNDERSTAND PEOPLE CAN DO WHATEVER IS LEGAL ONE THEIR CURRENT ZONING. 
          IF THEY SEEK EDGES ELSE AND ZONING CHANGE THAT NEGATIVELY AFFECT OTHERS IT'S OUR RIGHT TO PETITION. 
          CURRENTLY IT'S ZONED CAMPGROUND. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S RURAL FRINGE AND I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S UNDEVELOPED. 
          IT'S GOT TWO BUILDINGS ON IT TWO. 
          ARE CEMENT. I DON'T THINK IT OUGHT MAT IKTLY IS RURAL FRINGE ANYHOW. I ALWAYS KNOW THIS SEWER LINE IS GOING TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO BRING IN THERE. 
          NO DEVELOPER IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD RUN A SEWER WHERE IT NEEDS 
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TO GO AT THEIR EXPENSE TO BRING TO IT THE COMMUNITY FOR THE 40 OR SOY DEVELOPABLE ACRES ON THIS PROPERTY. 
          THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. ZNING THEM RURAL COMMUNITY WOULD ALLOW THEM TO PUT IN SEPTIC TANKS AND IS YOU HEARD WILL FLOW DOWNHILL. MY HOME SITS 35 FEET UNDER THIS CURRENT LAKE WHEN THAT FILLS UP WITH SEPTIC SAND AND SILT IT FLOWS INTO MY LAKE. IT'S GOING TO DECREASE MY LAKE AND PROPERTY VALUE. TRAFFIC IS ANOTHER CONCERN, WE ARE GOING TO SEE INCREASED TRIPS ARE THE HOUSES AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS ON OUR DAMS. WE ARE ALREADY ON WATCH LIST FORSZ THESE DAMS STATE OF FLORIDA, THEY'RE FRAGILE. 
          I'M ASKING THIS BOARD TO REFRAIN FROM RECOMMENDING A ZONING CHANGE THAT WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE RESIDENTS' LIVES IN THIS SMALL COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. KEN INFORMS TERRITORY AND AFTER 
          HIM WOULD BE DAVID DIXON. >> KEN FOSTER [ADDRESS]. 
          >> MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WE'VE GOT THE LOWER IMPACT. 
          WE SAW WHAT IT COULD BE AND 287 IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. 
          MR. JONES APPROACHED NEED AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY RELATEDY HONESTLY SHOW THAT HE HAS AN INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. BACK IN THE '90S I SPENT A LOT OF TIME THERE WITH THE METHODIST CHURCH. 
          THE LADY THAT WAS UP HERE, ANNA MAYS AND THERE'S A REASON THE METHODIST CHURCH SOLD THE PROPERTY. 
          IF IT HAD BEEN PART OF THEIR MODEL THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT US MANY IT'S UNFORTUNATE IT'S COME TO. 
          THIS I THINK ANYBODY IN THIS ROOM IF WE ARE ON WEST OURSELVES NO ONE PREDICTED COVID 10-15 YEARS AGO, A HUNDRED YEARS AGO THAT'S IMPACTED SMALL BUSINESSES AND LARGE BUSINESSES. 
          AND SO, WITH THAT SAID, THE LESSER OF THE CONCERNS OR THE LOWER IMPACT IS TO LOOK AT THE ONLY OPTION THAT'S REALLY VIABLE ON THE TAKE. I UNDERSTAND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. I UNDERSTAND THE LONG-TERM COST. 
          BUT SOME BIG DEVELOPER AND I SAW IT HAPPEN IN ORLANDO, SOME ONE SAID, NO DEVELOPER WOULD WALK IN HERE AND SPEND THE MONEY. 
          HELD THE. I'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN WHERE THEY'LL RUN SEWAGE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT YOU WOULD NEVER THINK ABOUT AND THEN WE'VE GOT 300 HOMES AND HUNDREDS OF TRIPS PER DAY BEYOND WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO, THAT'S I WANTED THE BOARD TO HERD THAT, MY CONCERN. 
          IT'S INEVITABLE IS THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. 
          SO IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE, BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR A LONG TIME USED FOR THE RIGHT REASONS. 
          THING TEAM EFFORT HAS MADE A GENUINE USE OF THE LAND BUT COVID IS HERD RIGHT AND IT'S IMPACTING EVERYBODY'S LIFE. 
          THE WAY I LOOK AT IT IF THE TEAM EFFORT ORGANIZATION WENT UNDER THERE'S GOING TO BE BIG DEVELOP WHO ARE GETTING OUT OF BANKRUPTCY. THEN WHAT HAPPENS? THEN WE LOSE TOTAL CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS. 
          THAT'S ALL WE HAVE. I'LL SEND THE MINUTES BACK TO 
          OTHERS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. 
          NEXT IS DAVID DIXON AND AFTER MR. DIXON WILL BE LOCK TOUR MY NAME IS DAVID DIXON, 1038 HAYNES COURT LAKE ASBURY GREEN SPRINGS, RESIDENTS SINCE 196, BEEN OUT THERE BEFORE SINCE THE 60S, BOUGHT OUT THERE BEFORE THERE WAS PAVED ROADS. 
          TODAY PAY FOR WHAT I DID GET. THIS IS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND THIS IS ABOUT THINGS CHANGING. THE WORLD HAS CHANGED BUT IT'S ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS, TOO. MR. JONES FROM WHAT I CAN SEE IS DOING HIS BEST TO PRESERVE LAKE ASBURY COMMUNITY TO RESEMBLE WHAT IT IS. NOTHING HE'S PROPOSED IS GOING TO CHANGE THE APPEARANCE OF LAKE ASBURY. 
          BUT, IF WE BLOCK HIM JUST LIKE THIS PREVIOUS JUST GENTLEMAN SAID, A DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COME IN AND A MILLION DOLLARS HERE AND A MILLION DOLLARS THERE AND WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING HUNDREDS OF HOMES, ALL HE'S ASKING IS FOR MAYBE WHAT, LESS 
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THAN 50 HOMES, SITES OVER THIS HUNDRED AREA OF TRACK VS. WHAT'S GOING TO SURELY BE AT LEAST 300 OR MORE HOMES, IF SOMETHING ISN'T DONE. IF HE DOESN'T DO IT, HE'S TRYING TO SAY -- AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING MENTIONED ABOUT HIM TRYING TO SAVE LAKE LARK, THE RETREAT PART. 
          HADN'T HEARD THAT MENTIONED TONIGHT. 
          PART OF THIS SET ASIDE. THEY'RE SETTING ASIDE LAND USE FOR, I FORGOT THE CORRECT TERM, BUT BASICALLY UNDERDEVELOPED LEAVE IT FOR WILDLANDS BUT MR. JONES HAS FOUGHT AN UPHILL NIGHT ON THIS. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS COMES DOWN TO I DON'T WANT YOU TO DO WHAT WANT TO DO WITH YOUR LAND. 
          EVEN THOUGH HE'S TRYING TO FIT IT IN AND GIVING US AN ALTERNATIVE TO WHAT WORKS, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE ALL GOT SEPTIC TANKS OUT THERE. THAT'S THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. 
          RIGHT NEXT TO IT JUST THEY JUST ADDED ANOTHER SEPTIC TANK TO A LOT CHARLIE SHEEN AGAINST REGULATIONS. 
          A SECOND HOUSE WAS PUT ON PROPERTY AND SECOND SEPTIC TANK PUT ON IN VIOLATION OF WHAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY ENACTED IN 2006. 
          SO I'M JUST ASKING TO BE FAIR. YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO. 
          I REGRET FEEDBACK WHICHEVER WAY Y'ALL DECIDE TO VOTE BUT THE IMPACT OF LATER ON STUFF HAPPENING IT'S STIFF GOT TO GO PAST Y'ALL. Y'ALL ARE OUR SAFEGUARDS, ONE OF OUR SAFEGUARDS AND I JUST ASK YOU TO BE FAIR TO THIS MAN TO, THIS PLACE. IT STILL DOES A GOOD WORK. 
          WHAT THEY PROPOSE UNLESS I'M TOTALLY MISINFORMED FROM ANYTHING I'VE HEARD TONIGHT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO A MINISTRY OUT THERE IN THAT AREA. 
          WHEN YOU DRIVE PAST IT YOU WON'T NOTICE HARDLY ANYTHING NIP DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU DO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE IN AN AREA THAT'S TOTALLY OUT OF THE WAY OFF LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. 
          BUT ANYHOW THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND GOD BLESS YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY, NEXT IS BRIAN -- HOW DO YOU SAY? LOCK TOUR, AND MR. LOCK TOUR 
          WILL BE MR. MR. MARK WANTAGE. >> BRIAN LOCK TOUR,] ADDRESS] SIX-YEAR RESIDENT WAS NEVER TOLD BY ANYBODY THAT THAT PROPERTY WAS GOING TO STAY THE SAME. SEVERAL PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT WAS THERE BECAUSE IT IS SO WELL HIDDEN AND IT IS A UNIQUE PLACE. 
          EVERYBODY HAS PROBABLY HEARD, THE LAST WEEK ON THE RADIO JACKSONVILLE NUMBER 2 HOUSING MARKET IN THE UNITED STATES PROPERTY VALUES SUPPOSED TO GO UP 22 PERCENT THIS YEAR, TO SAY THAT NO DEVELOPER IS EVER GOING TO COME IN THERE BUY THAT LAND AS IT KEEPS INCREASING I BOUGHT A $200,000 SIX YEARS AGO AND IT'S WORTH ALMOST $500,000. TO SAY THE VALUE OF THAT LAND ISN'T GOING TO KEEP SOMEBODY FROM DEVELOPING BIG NAME DEVELOPER COME IN AN PUT IN ALMOST 300 HOMES, I THINK WE ARE DECEIVING OURSELVES. WE HAVE A CHANCE RIGHT NOW AT THAT TIME BOARD YOU GUYS TO DO SOMETHING IN A RESPECTFUL WAY TO THE COMMUNITY TO THOSE AROUND US, 50 HOMES ADDED THERE COMPARED TO THE 800 WHO ARE SO THAT ARE ALREADY AROUND, SEPTIC TANK TO ME IS BETTER THAN 300 HOMES ON SEWER. 
          SO, JUST WOULD HOPE THAT YOU TWO CONSIDER DOUG AND TEAM EFFORT AND WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE THEY TECHNICALLY DON'T HAVE TO GO THE ROUTE THEY'RE GOING AND I'M PRETTY SURE SOMEBODY COULD COME IN AND SEND BIG LAWYERS, BIG MONEY PEOPLE IN AND JUST SHOVE THINGS THROUGH AND THAT'S THE LAST THING ANY OF US REALLY WANT TO HAPPEN. THANK. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. MARK WANTAGE AND AFTER HIM, ANN 
          TURNER. >> THANK YOU, MARK WANTAGE [ADDRESS]. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY.  IT'S A UNIQUE PARCEL OF PROPERTY. 
          DEVELOPMENT IS NOT A ONE SIZE FIT ALL SITUATION. 
          THAT'S WHY WE ZONING AND RULES MANY LAKE LARK PARCEL IS A NATURAL RECREATION CAMP SITE. ABUNDANT IN WILDLIFE INCLUDING 
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NESTING BALD EAGLES AS WELL AS GOPHER TURTLES. 
          I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE BALD EAGLES THERE. 
          ARE MAJOR PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LAND. INCREASE OF ILLICIT WATER FLOW. 
          SEPTIC TANGLE ADD TO THIS BURDEN ACHE ASBURY AND BLACK CREEK. 
          LAKE ASBURY DAMS ARE IN POOR CONDITION AND WE HAVE ENGINEERING REPORTS THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT, STATE REPORTS SAYING SATISFACTORY AND I PERSONALLY SPOKE WITH STATE REPRESENTATIVES, STATE STAFFERS THAT HAVE VISITED THE SITE INCLUDING LAKE LARK AND STATED THEY HAVE CONCERNS OVER LAKE LARK SO $55,000 I HOPE THERE'S P.E. STAMP ON IT BUT MAYBE THEY KNOW SOMETHING WE DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO. 
          THEY'VE NOT APPROACHED THE LAMBS BA WATER QUALITY OR THE DAMS. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE DAMS? THEY HAVE A MAINTENANCE PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          HAVE THEY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICE. 
          IS THERE ANY LIABILITY INSURANCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING ON THE PROPERTY OWNER OUT THERE? THERE'S A LOT OF SIRE JUST QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT EFFECTS SO MANY PEOPLE AND LIVES. 
          I CAN REFERENCE THE JACKSON GEO TECH REPORT ON THE WEB SITE THAT HAS INFORMATION REGARDING ALL THE DAMS AND THEIR CONDITIONS. 
          IN THE PAST THE ZONING WAS CHANGED TO ALLOW FOR HOUSES TO BE BUILT ON THE NORTH EXCUSE ME THE LAKE ASBURY DAM. 
          THAT WAS NOT A GOOD DECISION. IT'S IMPACTED THE PROCESS FOR REPAIRS FOR THE LAKE ASBURY DAMS AND WE DON'T WANT TO ADD THAT COMPLICATION. THE BIG ISSUE THAT I SEE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS IS THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF RECOGNITION TO MANAGE THE WATER FLOW PROBABLY BEYOND CODE TO MAINTAIN THE INTEGRITY OF THE WATER FLOW IN THE AREA AS WELL AS TAKING CARE OF THE WILDLIFE IN THE AREA. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF WORK THAT NEED TO BE DONE AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN NOT A FULL EFFORT IN ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANN TURNER AND FOLLOWING HER WOBBLY IS A TURNER. 
          OOPS. BE CAREFUL. 
          >> I GOT IT. FEET ARE IN ANY WAY. 
          MY NAME IS ANN TURNER. I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE. 
          AND LAST TIME WE WERE HERE, Y'ALL RECOMMENDED Y'ALL SENT TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU DID NOT RECOMMEND THIS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO TO BUILD BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC TANKS. 
          NOTHING HAS CHANGED. SO THAT STILL SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION. I'M ON THE NORTHLAKE. 
          IF THAT DAM, LAKE LARK DAM GIVES WAY, MY HOUSE SHOULD BE 11 FEET HIGHER AND ALL THE DAMS ARE IN PERIL, AND WE REALLY NEED CLAY COUNTY TO LOOK AFTER US. WE DESERVE IT. 
          AND WE HAD NEED IT. I'VE BEEN THERE 48 YEARS AND KWAUCHD THE QUALITY OF THE LAKES GO DOWN. 
          WE USED TO GO OUT ON THE DOCK AND LOOK DOWN AND SEE TO THE BOTTOM. YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE OF ALL THE RUNOFFS AND IF YOU ALLOW HOMES WITH SEPTIC TANKS, IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE KAY SAID ABOUT THE ALGAE AND THE BLOOM AND EVERYTHING. IT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          WE HAD BOUGHT OUT THERE TO BE AWAY FROM JACKSONVILLE. 
          WE BOUGHT OUT THERE TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN. 
          IT'S BEEN WONDERFUL. I UNDERSTAND THEY HAVE FINANCIAL PROBLEMS BUT THAT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM. 
          WE'VE GOT ENOUGH PROBLEMS. OUR DAMS ARE OUR PROBLEMS AND WE ARE HAVING TO PAY FOR THEM. AND WITH THEIR TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING COMING IN AND OUT TO BUILD, OUR DAMS ARE NOT GOING TO 
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BE WORTH ANYTHING. THEY'RE IN PERIL. 
          SO PLEASE, PLEASE, WATCH OUT FOR US. 
          I'D APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY. 
          LISA TURNER AND THEN AFTER LISA IS J.D. WISE ENBERGER. 
          >> I'M LISA TURNER. I MOVED OUT HERE IN 1974. 
          I'M ON MY THIRD RESIDENT IN LAKE ASBURY, SO BEEN HERE A WHILE. 
          SO, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THIS REQUEST, AND I'LL JUST SAY, I FREE  -- AGREE WITH OTHERS ON THE SEPTIC TANK ISSUE. 
          NOT ONLY DO SEPTIC TANKS GO INTO OUR LAKES BUT WE FLOW TO BLACK CREEK BLACK CREEK IS CROWN JEWEL OF CLAY COUNTY SO I AGREE WITH THAT I AGREE WITH THE TRAFFIC I AGREE WITH THE CONCERNS ABOUT DAMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT ALSO THERE ARE ELECTRIC WATER EASEMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY. 
          THOSE ARE CRITICAL SERVICES FOR MY COMMUNITY AND IF OIL GAS ANYTHING GET INTO THE WATER SUPPLY FROM THERE, WE ARE AT RISK FOR THAT. SO THAT THE VERY CONCERNING TO ME. YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THE QUALITY OF OUR LAKES BUT ALSO MY WATER IN MY HOUSE, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT, SO THEN ALSO THE FLOODING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TAKING A LARGE AMOUNT OF ACRES TODAY WHERE ALL THE WATER SOAKS INTO YOU'RE GOING TO CONVERT INTO HOUSES AND DRIVEWAYS AND ROADS SO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY BUT IT IS STILL SIGNIFICANT. 
          THAT TOWER USED TO GO INTO THE EARTH. 
          IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO RUN OFF SOMEWHERE. 
          IT'S GOING TO RUN DOWNHILL AND WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT WHAT GOES DOWNHILL. AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          I WOULD SAY THAT YOU KNOW, ONE CONCERN, LIKE FOR ME PERSONALLY AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE IS WE DON'T TRUST SUSAN FRAZIER. WE DON'T TRUST ANYTHING SHE ASSESSMENT WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE GIRLSCOUT CAMP. 
          WE DON'T WANT THAT IN LAKE ASBURY AND FRANKLY, HER INVOLVEMENT IS EXTREMELY CONCERNING. 
          >> J.D. WISE ENBERGER. >> [INAUDIBLE] 
          >> THAT'S ALL RIGHT. >> IS THAT THE LAST ONE? 
          >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS J.D. WISE ENBERGER AT 148 WESLEY ROAD. AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE. RIGHT NOW, AS STAFF SAID, THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS ZONED PS2 AND TO CHANGE THAT COULD BE A CATASTROPHE, BECAUSE THE CHANGE BECOME RC AND I LOOKED AROUND THE COUNTY TO SEE WHAT DOES RC LOOKED LIKE AND I FOUND IT RIGHT NEXT DOOR IN THE RAVINES. 
          THEY'RE ZONED RC. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE RAVINES THERE'S A STRETCH OF NEWER HOMES TOWARD THE BACK OF THE RAVINES THAT ARE ON LITTLE POSTAGE SIZE LOTS. 
          GEE. THAT THE THE SAME THING BEING PROPOSED HERE TONIGHT. THEY TALK ABOUT 48 HOMES? I DON'T THINK SO. IT LOOKS MORE LIKE 300-400 HOMES, MAYBE 500. AND HERE'S THE THING I KNOW. 
          A DEVELOPER COULD BUY THIS PROPERTY AND THEN HE HAD WOULD SAY, GEE, I DON'T HAVE AN ECONOMY OF SCALE. 
          LET ME GET A VARIANCE. AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOUR SUCKERS GRANT HI-- SUCCESSS GRANT HIM A VARIANCE. 
          NO PROBLEM CONNECT TO GO A CENTRAL SEWER. 
          ALL HE'S GOT TO DO IS GO WEST AND THE SEWER IS NOT THERE. 
          NOT TOO EXPENSIVE. THAT'S WHAT I FEAR THE GREATEST THING BY ALLOWING THIS CHANGE TONIGHT SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU DENY THE APPLICATION. IN A MOMENT OR TWO YOU'LL 
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PROBABLY HEAR FROM MY LIFE. DO I LIVE IN A HOUSE DIVIDED. 
          [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. 
          >> MISS WISE ENBERGER. >> HELLO. 
          I GUESS YOU KNOW I'M MRS. WISE ENBERGER. 
          WE ARE A LITTLE DIVIDED ON THIS. I SUPPORT TEAM EFFORT AND DOUG JONES AND HIS GROUP. I'VE WATCHED THE EFFORTS THAT THEY'VE MADE. I LOOKED AT THEY HAD FAIL THE FIRST TIME. THEY CAME OUT AND THEY TALKED. 
          I WENT OVER AND I LOOKED AT IT ALL. 
          IT'S A BEAUTIFUL SPOT IN THE WORLD. 
          HIS PLAN, WHICH FALLS INTO COMMUNITY RULES LAND USE SUPPORTS KEEPING THAT BEAUTIFUL SPOT AND ALLOWS HIS GROUP TO CONTINUE THEIR MISSION, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A GOOD MISSION, A GOOD MISSION FOR CLAY COUNTY AND OUR FUTURE. 
          WE DO HAVE A SPOT OVER THERE FOR THE ANIMALS. 
          DO YOU KNOW WE HAVE A BEAR NOW? I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT. 
          ALL THESE ANIMALS ARE COMING HOME. 
          SO, I DO SUPPORT HIM. I KNOW THAT IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY LAND USE IT STATES, ALL DEVELOPMENT MUST SUBMIT SITE PLANS FOR REVIEWED TO INSURE CONFORMANCE WITH DESIGN STANDARDS. I ASSUME THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD PROTECTION FOR US AS WELL, BECAUSE HE'S SPOKEN ABOUT THE 50 HOUSES. DOESN'T SAME LIKE THAT CHANGE WHAT HE CURRENTLY HAS HURTS US. IT HELPS US. 
          I DON'T WANT 300 HOUSES BACK THERE. 
          WE ARE NOT THAT KIND OF A COMMUNITY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE SIDEWALKS. WE HAD DON'T HAVE CITY LIGHTS AS FAR AS OVERHEAD SO THERE'S MANY REASONS WHY HIS WAY WILL HELP SUPPORT WHO WE ARE AND KEEP US LIKE WE ARE. 
          THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CARDS FOR THIS ITEM. 
          DID ANYBODY THAT DID NOT SPEAK WANT TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS BEFORE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? YES, MA'AM. WHAT WAS YOUR NAME? 
          [INAUDIBLE] >> I GOT IT HERE. 
          YES, MA'AM. CHERYL PETRUCI. 
          >> HIVE BEEN A RESIDENT THERE 30 YEARS MANY I DON'T DO. 
          THIS I'VE NEVER SPOKEN IN PUBLIC OR IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. 
          LAST TIME I SPOKE IN PUBLIC WAS IN COLLEGE TO MY CLASS. 
          I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AT THE LAST MEETING I WANT TO REITERATE ONE OF YOU GENTLEMEN HAD TALKED ABOUT NOT REZONING FOR PROFIT. 
          AND SELLING THIS PROPERTY TO A DEVELOPER IS A WAY TO MAKE A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY THAN SELLING IT TO A CHURCH OR A NONPROFIT, THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. 
          I HAD ACQUIRED AN ORIGINAL PAMPHLET OF THE LAKE ASBURY COMMUNITY WHEN IT WAS PUT IN AND IN THERE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, METHODIST RETREAT, WHICH WE'VE ALL HEARD THIS ALREADY BUT THAT'S JUST WANT POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. 
          ONE LAST THING, SHOOT IF I CAN REMEMBER. 
          LET ME FIND MY NOTES. THIS GETTING OIL STUFF IS NOT GOOD. AS I WAS LIST INNING TO EVERYBODY AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE IT AND I GET THE FACT PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY WANT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SMALLER, IT'S GOING TO BE BETTER, IT'S GOING TO FIT BETTER AND STUFF BUT TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE A PLEA BARGAIN. 
          WELL WE WON'T DO THAT, BUT WE WILL DO THIS. 
          AND A LITTLE BIT OF A SCARE TACTIC LIKE IF WE DON'T TAKE THIS, IT COULD BE WORSE, YOU KNOW, BUT ACTUALLY, I THINK A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY WILL BE BACK HERE AGAIN AND WE HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO. WE LOVE YOU GUYS. 
          YOU GUYS WORK HARD. IT'S A THANKLESS JOB AND I REALIZE THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. OKAY. 
          SIR, DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? 
          >> YES, I DO. >> OKAY. 
          COME ON UP. >> MY NAME IS ABE LOWE. 
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BEEN AT [ADDRESS] 48 YEARS. WHEN I MET TOM RYAN, LAKE ASBURY WAS TOM RYAN'S IDEA. I WAS TOLD BY HIM LIKE THE LADY JUST SAID, THAT I IT WAS LUCKY BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE NO HOUSES ON THE SIDE OF ME AND I HAVE ABOUT A THOUSAND FEET THAT BORDERS TEAM EFFORT. AND I WOULD JUST ASSUME -- ALSO, THERE'S A DRAINAGE DITCH A 40-FOOT EASEMENT BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND THE METHODIST PROPERTY TEAM EFFORT PROPERTY AND THAT DRAINAGE DITCH DRAINS SEMINOLE VILLAGE. 
          YOU PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT SEMINOLE VILLAGE. 
          THEY HAVE A HECK OF A DRAINAGE PROBLEM AND ALL THAT CRAP COMES RIGHT DOWN MY PROPERTY GOING RIGHT INTO LAKE ASBURY, AND I CAN'T SEE WHERE IT'S GOING TO HELP MATTERS BY ALLOWING THEM TO DEVELOP THAT. ALL ABOUT MONEY. 
          WHOEVER PUT UP THE MONEY TO BUY THAT TO START WITH KNEW WHAT THEY WAS GOING TO DO. NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IT AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO STOP IT. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE? 
          YES, MA'AM. >> MY NAME IS LINDA -- 
          >> CAN YOU PULL THE MIC. >> MY NAME IS LINDA BARE I LIVE AT 1168 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. MY CONCERN IS FOR THE DAMS. I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE TALKING AND THEY KEEP SAYING THEY'RE IN BAD SHAPE. WHAT HAPPENS IF, SAY, ONE DAM BREAKS? IT'S GOING TO CAUSE A CASCADING EFFECT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FIRST LAKE IS. IF IT GOES THERE AND WE LIVE ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE LAKE ASBURY DAM THE THREE DAMS OR TWO DAMS? ANYWAY, IF THAT ONE GOES OUT, TOO, THERE'S TWO DAMS THAT GO OUT, I'M GOING TO BE LAND LOCKED. I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET OUT TO THE STORE. PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO GO TO WORK. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A CANOE TO GET OVER THE WATER. SO, CAN YOU TELL ME THAT MY CONCERNS ARE NOT VALID? MY POINT HAS BEEN MADE. 
          THANK YOU. >> OKAY, THANK YOU MA'AM. 
          OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NO ONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THOSE PEOPLE THAT DID SPEAK THAT DIDN'T GIVE ME A CARD IF YOU COULD FILL IT OUT AN HAND TO IT ONE OF THE STAFF PEOPLE BEFORE YOU LEAVE I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. I'M GOING TO BRING THIS BACK FOR THE BOARD. ACTUALLY, WE WILL LET MSZ FRAZIER REBUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS. 
          YES, MA'AM. >> AND I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION MANY WE HEARD CONCERNS ABOUT BAR PITS BEING CONSTRUCTED ON THIS PROPERTY AND LAKE ASBURY TO HAVE A BAR PIT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT. 
          COUNTY HAS A PERIOD HIT PROCESS AND IT CAN ONLY BE ALLOWED IF THE PROPERTY IS AGRICULTURE, IT'S CONSIDERED CONTINUE WAL AGRICULTURE USE. THIS PROPERTY IS NOT AGRICULTURE SO THEY COULD NOT APPLY AND BE GRANTED A BURROW PIT. 
          SO WILD WE CERTAINLY HAVE THE INTENTION OF THAT THE COUNTY WOULDN'T ISSUE A PERMIT FOR THAT PARTICULAR USE. 
          IF YOU APPROVE THIS LAND USE APPLICATION THE DENSITY IS THE DENSITY SO THERE'S NO PHASE 2 THERE'S NO COMING BACK WITHOUT ANOTHER LAND USE CHANGE SO YOU KNOW HOW THE LIMITS WORK. 
          I JUST WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S NOT A SECOND BITE OF AN APPLE THEY CAN'T SEE. 
          ACCESS TO THIS PROPERTY IS ON PUBLIC ROADS THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY CLAY COUNTY SO ANY USE OF THOSE ROADS FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES BE IT FIRETRUCKS OR CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT IS PART OF THE PUBLIC ROAD ACCESS AS PROVIDED TO ALL THE PROPERTY AND ALL THE PROPERTY DAYERS IN THE COUNTY AND WITHOUT ALSO TELLING YOU ANYTHING YOU DON'T KNOW STORM WATER PERMITS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY WILL HAVE QUALITY WATER STANDARDS HAVE TO BE MET FOR THE DISTRICT AND QUANTITY STANDARDS. 
          THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY HAS A DRAINAGE EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS CLAY COUNTY TO DRAIN LAKE ASBURY DRIVE TO LAKE LARK AND THAT 
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EASEMENT HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS. 
          SO IT'S ACTUALLY STORM WATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY FOR THE PUBLIC ROADS SYSTEM IN LAKE ASBURY TODAY. 
          WE SPOKE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WHEN THIS PROJECT STARTED ABOUT SEPTIC TANKS BECAUSE IF THERE WERE CONCERNS ABOUT SEPTIC TANKS WE ONLY HAVE ONE BAG TO HOLD AND I SPOKE WITH A GENTLEMAN ON THE THIRD FLOOR. HE SAID THE SOILS ON THIS PROPERTY ARE THE SAME SOILS THAT EXIST THROUGHOUT LAKE ASBURY. 
          THEY'RE NO DIFFERENT. THEY'RE NO BETTER AND THEY'RE NO WORSE. HE KNEW THE PROPERTY AND INDICATED THAT NONE OF THE SEPTIC TANKS IN LAKE ASBURY MOUNTAINED SYSTEMS BECAUSE THEY'RE SUITABLE. 
          THE COUNTY REQUIRES SEPTIC TANKS TO BE IN THE FRONT YARD IF YOU'RE A LAKE FRONT LOT THAT WOULD APPLY TO US AS IT PLEASE TO ANYONE ILLS, SO WE HAVE NOT HAD SITE SPECIFIC SOIL SAMPLES TAKEN . . .  BUT HE WAS QUITE CONFIDENT GIVEN THE LOCATION AN HISTORY OF SEPTIC TANKS IN THE AREA THOSE WOULD BE PERMITTED THE LAT IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US LOT ON THE WEST AN AIRS LOT WAS APPROVED AND SEPTIC TANK INSTALLED ON THAT PROPERTY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS AND SO WE CLEARLY HAVE SEPTIC TANK SUITABILITY MEDLEY ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY. 
          MR. JONES WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE RECORD INFORMATION ABOUT THE DAM HE WAS WORKED WITH THE INSPECTOR EP AND WHAT HE WAS TOLD ABOUT THE DAM AND WHAT HE CAN PROVIDE 
          ABOUT ITS IMPROVEMENT. >> MS. FRAZIER I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING YOU SAID. I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE BURROW PITS AND THE PERMITS AND ALL BUT SHOULD THE STORM WATER REQUIRE 
          THERE WILL BE RETENTION POND. >> YES BECAUSE THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. YES ABSOLUTELY. 
          >> SO WHEN WE START DIGGING A POND SOME ONE IS GOING TO START THINKING IT'S A BURROW PIT. PITF STORM WATER. 
          >> CORRECT. THANK YOU. 
          >> JUST REAL QUICK ON THE DAM, THE FLORIDA DEP CAME OUT AN INSPECTED THE DAMS THE REASON THEY APPROACHED US THEY WERE INSPECTING THE DAMS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR REPORT WAS, I KNOW WHAT OURS WAS. 
          THE FLORIDA DEP AND ENGINEERING FOLKS THEY HIRED TO DO THE INSPECTION WITH THOROUGH. THEY HAD DRONES IN THE PIPES. 
          THEY DRAINED DOWN THE LAKE TO SEND DIVERSE IN THERE. 
          THEY DID A THOROUGH INVESTIGATION OF THE DAM AND GAVE AS YOU SCOPE OF WORK THAT SCOPE OF WORK IS WHAT WE WENT AND BID AT TO TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND THAT'S WHERE THE BID FOR THE SCOPE OF WORK REQUESTED BY THE, SUGGESTED BY THE DEP FLORIDA DEP WHERE THAT BID MUCH $357,000 CAME AND ADDRESSES EVERYTHING THAT THE FLORIDA DEP TOLD US THAT WE NEEDED TO DO. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE BLESSED. 
          OUR DAM WAS IN BETTER SHAPE FOR SOME REASON. 
          DON'T KNOW WHY, BUT SATISFACTORY IS GOOD AS IT GETS FOR EARTH DAM AND THOSE FIGURES COMES FROM BIDS FLORIDA COME FROM THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE FLORIDA DEP. 
          >> MR. JONES WHEN DID YOU HAVE THAT? 
          >> 2021? >> SO IT'S CURRENT. 
          >> YES, LONG WITH NONE DAYS STUDY. 
          IT WAS DONE IN 2021 AND WE HAD CAN FORWARD THAT TO Y'ALL. 
          BUT IT'S A CURRENT STUDY. >> HOLD ON. 
          YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION? >> YES. 
          MR. JONES IS IT YOUR INTENTION TO SPEND $57,000 TO SHORE UP 
          THAT DAM? >> YES. 
          >> AND WHEN WOULD YOU START THAT? 
          >> IT WILL BE THIS YEAR. IT COULD BE WITHIN MONTHS. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY SAID IT WOULD START BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO BE JANUARY AND THIRD DELAY FEBRUARY BUT AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THEY HAD IN THERE. WE HAVE A BIT FROM ONE COMPANY. 
          WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GO WITH THE FIRST COMPANY AND AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THEM OUT THERE, BEFORE WE SELL ANYTHING. 
          THERE IS NO CHOICE ON THAT WE HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          >> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. THIS IS OFF TOPIC RIGHT NOW. 
          >> SURE. >> I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY PERSONAL INFORMATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT THE PROPERTY IS 
          CURRENTLY MORTGAGED? >> IT IS. 
          >> OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          >> MR. HOWARD. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. 
          >> YES, SIR. >> REGARDLESS OF LET'S SAY THIS DOESN'T PASS THIS REQUEST. IS IT YOUR INTENTION TORE TEAM EFFORT'S INTENTION TO SELL THE LAND REGARDLESS? 
          >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK. >> WE DON'T HAVE AN OPTION ON 
          THAT. >> ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU, SIR. WE WILL CALL YOU IF WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. THANKS. 
          YOU WANT ME TO -- I ALREADY DID. MAKE SURE. 
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PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS ON 
          THIS BEFORE I TAKE A MOTION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO. 
          >> GO AHEAD MR. ANZALONE. >> AT THE VERY BEGINNING BEFORE ALL THIS STARTED I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS. 
          I HAVE PART OF MY FAMILY LIVES OUT IN THAT AREA SO I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS ARE UP AGAINST RIGHT NOW WITH RESPECT TO THAT BUT I WROTE DOWN A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS THAT I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT WERE ANSWERED THROUGHOUT SOME OF THE STATEMENTS THAT CAME AND YOU KNOW AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU MADE. BUT, ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, AS A BODY HERE, YOU KNOW WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE COME IN THAT ASK TO DO ZONING CHANGES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT PURELY ON THEM BEING THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND EVERYTHING THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THE PROPERTY. WE CAN'T PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM NOT DOING WHAT THEY TWO LIKE TO DO PROVIDED THAT IT CONFORMS TO THE ZONING. THAT SAID THE ZONING THE CURRENT ZONING ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IF TEAM EFFORT DEL FAULTS AND THE PROPERTY GOES BACK TO A BANK A BANK IS NOT GOING TO REMARKET THE PROPERTY TO MAKE A PROFESSOR AT THIS TIME. BANK IS GOING TO REMARKET THE PROPERTY TO GET MADE WHOLE WHAT THEY ARE OWED. 
          WHICH MEANS IF THE PROPERTY IS WORTH A HUNDRED MILLION PROPERTY AND THEY OWE A MILLION SOMEBODY COULD PICK THAT PROPERTY UP FORWARD A MILLION DOLLARS. IF ANY DEVELOPER BUYS THAT PROPERTY FROM A BANK DECIDES THEY'RE GOING TO FROM THE RAVINE'S BRING IN THE DRAINAGE FOR A SEWER AND PUBLIC WATER YOU FOLKS OUT THERE ARE GOING TO HAVE 294 HOMES BUILT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE CURRENT ZONING SAYS. 
          I THINK THE OPTION THAT IS BEING PRESENTED HERE FOR US TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ON AND FOR YOU TO LOOK AT A LITTLE MORE THOROUGHLY IS, WHAT THE BEST CASE SCENARIO OF WHAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THIS FROM A DEAD SIGS THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE. 
          NOT ULTIMATELY BY US. WE HAD PASS THIS ALONG TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION. THEY'RE GOING TO HEAR IT. 
          YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME SPEAK TO THEM AS YOU ARE WITH US THIS EVENING BUT I LOOK AT THIS DECISION F. THEY'RE IN SUCH FINANCIAL STRAITS FOR IT TO GO THAT WAY AND FOR TO YOU THEN NOT BED ABLE TO COME BACK BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT ZONING, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME TO US FOR ANY CHANGES. 
          THEY HAD ASK JUST COME IN APPLY FOR PERMITS, COUNTY GRANTS THE PERMITS, BUILDING TAKES PLACE. THERE'S NOTHING THAT CAN BE DONE 
          AND CORRECT ME IF I'M INCORRECT. >> I AM IN A MINUTE. 
          >> OKAY. BUT YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING WITH 
          THIS. >> YES. 
          >> THIS IS HOW I SEE I. IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION. 
          IT'S ELEMENT LOOK A NO WIN ON EITHER SIDE. 
          >> AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY. 
          WE ARE LOOKING AT A CHANGE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE LAND USE CHANGE. THERE IS STILL A ZONING ON THE PROPERTY THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH AT SOME POINT RIGHT NOW THAT PROPERTY IS ZONED PS2. SHOULD THIS GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THE LAND USE CHANGE THE ZONING WILL STILL BE PS-2. 
          IT WILL BE UP TO SOMEONE TO COME BACK BEFORE THIS BOARD AND THE COUNTY TO THE COMMISSION AND ASK FOR A CHANGE IN THE ZONE FROM PS-2 TO SOMETHING THEY CAN ACTUALLY BUILD UNDER WHETHER THAT WOULD BE A PUD, I'M NOT SURE WHAT EXACTLY ZONINGS ARE ALLOWED UNDER THIS HAD LAPPED USE. 
          >> THERE ARE A COUPLE. PUD IS ONE. 
          MOST LIKELY IT WOULD BE A RURAL COMMUNITY ZONING. 
          >> THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REQUESTED SEPARATELY. 
          >> YES. >> SO THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER ROUND HERE OF ZONING EVEN IF THE LAND USE CHANGED. 
          IN FACT IF THE LAND USE CHANGED WHAT IT IS IT DOESN'T PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM COMING IN HERE AND REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW THEM TO BUILD ON THAT LAND. 
          SO, WE HAVE TO KIND OF KEEP THOSE THINGS A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE, ESPECIALLY ON THIS BOARD THAT WE ARE JUST LOOKING AT THE FUTURE LAND USE TONIGHT. ALL THE INFORMATION WE'VE GOT IS VERY GOOD INPUT IN OUR DECISION BUT WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT TONIGHT IS DO WE RECOMMEND CHANGING THE FUTURE LAND USE FROM RURAL FRINGE TO RURAL COMMUNITY. 
          WE'LL GET TO SEE ZONING LATER ON I'M SURE. 
          ANYBO ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO HAVE A 
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          COMMENT. >> I NEED ABOUT TWO MINUTES. 
          THIS IS TROUBLING. NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT, SOMEBODY FEELS LIKE IT'S A LOSE-LOSE, SOME LOOK AT IT AS A WIN-WIN, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THE COUNTY HASN'T REALLY BEEN TOO GOOD AT LAKE ASBURY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF DUMPING OVERFLOW [UNCLEAR] SEMINOLE INTO OUR LAKES. YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM AND THE PROBLEM HOW TO FIX IT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO BECAUSE IT ALL COMES TO MONEY OR MILLION DOLLARS TO FIX DAMS THAT ARE EVIDENTLY ON THE BRINK OF GOING SOUTH YOU KNOW WHAT MR. ANZALONE SAYS IS VERY TRUE. DO WE CUT BAIT AND TAKE THE LESSER OF THESE EVILS OR DO WE TRY TO FIGHT OFF ANY DEVELOPMENT AND HOPE IT STAYS NOTHING BUT A RETREAT AREA. 
          I DOUBT VERY SERIOUS LID IT WILL STAY A RETREAT AREA. 
          IF WE HAD SOMETHING CONCRETE TO PUT OUR FINGER ON OTHER THAN A HANDSHAKE, TOO BAD HANDSHAKES DON'T WORK ANYMORE YOU WOULD HAVE GROUNDS TO FIGHT THIS OFF AND MAINTAIN IT AS A RETREAT AREA, BUT I'M REALLY TORN ON THIS. 
          I FEEL FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE BECAUSE IF THIS IS NOT DEVELOPED PROPERLY, ANYTHING THAT GOES INTO LAKE LARK IS GOING TO WIND UP IN LOWER LAKES. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY. 
          SEPTIC TANKS THAT'S AN EXTREMELY POROUS AREA ON THAT HILL. 
          ANYTHING OUT OF THOSE SEPTIC TANKS IS GOING INTO LAKE LARK AND DOWN INTO THOSE LAKES. FERTILIZE EARTH INCLUDED, LOOK OUT MORE GREENHOUSING. THE PROBLEM WE HAVE TO CONSIDER IS, IF HE DOES DEFAULT, LIKE MR. ANZALONE SAYS, THEN SOME OTHER BIG DEVELOPER IS GOING TO COME IN HERE SNAP THAT UP IN A HEARTBEAT AND STEAMROLL THAT RIGHT THROUGH. 
          HEAT COULD BE DO IT TODAY AND IT WOULD BE A REAL MESS TO TRY TO FIGHT OFF. SO I'M REALLY TORN ON THIS. 
          IT'S A TOUGH DECISION. >> MR. NORTON. 
          >> UNDER PS-2 WHAT ELSE IS ALLOWED? 
          >> UNDER PS-2, RELIGIOUS RETREAT. 
          OTHER CAMP GROUNDS ARE ALLOWED UNDER PS-2 BUT NO OR 
          DEVELOPMENTS. >> SO FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE RESIDENTS, THE ONLY PROTECTION TODAY IS PS-2 THE ZONING TO 
          PREVENT ANY DEVELOPMENT? >> TO MAINTAIN WHAT IT IS TODAY. 
          SOMEBODY COULD, AGAIN, WE GOT TO SEPARATE LAND USE AND ZONING. 
          THE LAND USE DOESN'T GIVE ANY APPROVALS. 
          THE ZONING WILL NEED TO BE CHANGED TO DO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE BECAUSE THAT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HAD 
          NOT ALLOWED UNDER THE PS-2. >> SO THE CONUNDRUM THE BOARD FACES WHAT COMMISSIONER DAVIS ALLUDED TO AND THAT IS YOU CAN TAKE A REDUCED DEVELOPMENT CAPABILITY IF YOU WILL. 
          HOWEVER, THE ZONING PIECE OF THIS, THE PS-2 IS REALLY THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD STOP ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT BESIDES WHAT 
          IT'S SOUND FOR TODAY IT. >> PREVENTS REST DETERMINE 
          DEVELOPMENT TODAY. >> I JUST WANT TO SURE EVERYBODY 
          IS CLEAR ON THAT. >> TO RALPH'S POINT IT WOULD PREVENT ANYTHING ELSE FROM BEING DEVELOPED THERE TOO REGARDLESS OF THE LAND USE CHANGE. THE PS-2 ZONING IS THE GATE OR THE DAM THAT THE PREVENTING SOMETHING MOVING FORWARD. 
          >> THAT IS THE BULK WORK FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT. 
          >> THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS AND I FEEL THE HUGE DILEMMA HERE THAT EVERYONE HAS SPOKEN TO AND IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION BUT I'M NOT INCLINED TO GO FOR THE REQUESTED CHANGE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A MULTI-STEP PROCESS. 
          AND AS HAS ALREADY BEEN POINTED OUT, THE ZONING CAN STOP. 
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THIS THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. THERE'S LOTS OF STEPS AN LOTS OF DECISIONS. BUT WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO CONSIDER TONIGHT IS GOING TO A LESS DENSE LAND USE. 
          SO THAT'S ONE STEP. AND YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN DON'T KNOW WHEN WE START DOWN A PATH WHERE WE ARE GOING TO END UNDER WHEN THERE ARE MANY STEPS BUT AT THIS POINT WHAT WE ARE ASKED TO DEAL WITH IS JUST THE LAND USE NOT THE ZONING AND IT'S GOING TOWARD THE LESS DENSE USE MANY FOR THAT RICE, I FEEL LIKE WE 
          OUGHT TO DO IT. >> ANYTHING ELSE? 
          MR. GARRISON? >> I ECHO MARY'S COMMENTS. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE, IT'S A TOUGH DECISION. 
          MY DAUGHTER LIVES ON LAKE ASBURY. 
          MY GRANDKIDS LIVES OUT THERE. IT'S A GORGEOUS PIECE OF PROPERTY BUT WHOEVER OINS IT THEY HAVE RIGHTS AS LONG AS WE DO AS LONG AS THEY'RE CONFORMING WITH THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE AND IDEALLY WAVE A MAGIC WANTED IT WOULD BE UNDEVELOPED FROM NOW TO THE END OF TIME BOUGHT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN SO THE FACT IT'S GOING TO BE LESS DENSE DEVELOPMENT IS WHY I SUPPORT I. 
          >> WHEN THE BODY REVIEWS FOR LAND USE CHANGE, WE LOOK FOR BASIC ITEMS TO MAKE SURE IT CONFORMS WHO ARE DOES NOT CONFORM. IN MY OPINION, THE REQUESTED APPLICATION CONFORMS WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE. 
          I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY ISSUE. I KNOW IT DOESN'T. 
          IT IS A DECREASE IN DENSITY WHICH HANDLES A LOT OF I THINK SOME OF THE CONCERNS HERE IN THE ROOM. 
          I THINK WHAT IT BOILS DOWN TO IS PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS. 
          MR. DAVID DIXON HIT IT ON THE HEAD. 
          THIS COMES DOWN TO PROPERTY OWNERS RIGHTS. 
          IT'S NOT ABOUT REZONING FOR PROFITS OR ANYTHING OTHER THEN. 
          IT'S OWNED BY A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTY. 
          >> I'M DONE MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU. 
          >> OKAY. I DID HEAR A FEW THINGS. 
          I THINK MY FELLOW MEMBERS UP HERE HAVE COVERED MOST OF IT. 
          I WAS CURIOUS. I WOULD LIKE MR. JONES, I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. WHILE HE'S COMING UP, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON MR. BOURRÉ'S PROPERTY OWNERS RATES. I FRANKLY AM NOT AS STRONG ON THAT AS HE IS. PART OF THE PURPOSE OF ZONING SPECIFICALLY ZONING, EVEN MORE THAN LAND USE IS TO INSURE COMPATIBLE USE OF PROPERTIES. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO JUST ANYTHING THEY WANT. THEY CAN'T GO IN THERE AND OPEN 
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UP A LAND FILLED OR A BURROW PIT, BUT WITHIN REASON AND AS LONG IT'S NOT STRONGLY IMPACTING THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, AS LONG AS IT FITS THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, THEY ARE WIN THEIR RIGHTS FOR THAT. SO WE SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT'S WHAT ZONING IS. ZONING IS BALANCING THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH THE NEIGHBORS. IT'S REALLY THE ESSENCE OF ZONING. I HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          AND YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO ANSWER THIS. 
          I'M JUST INTERESTED IN KNOWING, HAVE YOU MADE ANY EFFORT TO SELL THIS PROPERTY TO SOMEONE LIKE THE COUNTY WHO COULD TURN NIGHT A PARK TO NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST WHO MIGHT BUT IT INTO CONSERVATION? HAVE YOU CONTACTED ANY OF THOSE 
          ORGANIZATIONS. >> IT WAS SUGGESTED BY FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO CALL SOME LOCAL CHURCHES. 
          WE DID THAT AND THEY'RE NOT INTER INTERESTED. THAT'S THEIR OPTION. 
          THE CAMPING INDUSTRY IS IMPLODING SO TO REACH OUT TO A CAMP OR RETREAT CENTER IS A LONG SHOT BUT WE HAVE HAD TALKS WITH FOLKS THAT AREN'T INTERESTED BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE CAMPING IS GOING. WE HAVE TALK TO THE NORTH FLORIDA LAND TRUST MANY WE ARE PURSUING. 
          THIS I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE INTERESTED BECAUSE THEY CAN GET LAND IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS BUT WE ARE TALKING TO THEM AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. HAVEN'T TALKED TO ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY ABOUT IT. NO, SIR. 
          >> OKAY, MAYBE BRING THAT UP AT THE BCC MEETING. 
          >> AS WE ARE PURSUING. THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THE GENTLEMAN AT THE LAND TRUST, WE ARE PURSUING. 
          WE ARE GOING TO KEEP PURSUING THIS. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN SOMETHING BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT STILL MEETS OUR NEEDS WE HAD WOULDN'T DO THAT. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I THINK I WANTED TO MAKE BEFORE I ENTERTAIN A MOTION IS I JUST WANT TO KIND OF AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT EVERYBODY SAID ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT. 
          IF IT WAS UP TO ME I'D PUT A BIG TOLL UP AT THE BORDER WITH GEORGIA AND STOP EVERYBODY FROM COMING IN HERE BUT WAY HAVEN'T BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN DOING THAT SO THEY DO SHOW UP AND THEY WANT SOMEWHERE TO LIVE AND IT'S UP TO US TO HELP FIND THOSE SPOTS. 
          SO WITH THAT, YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? 
          >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE TO 
          STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. >> SECOND? 
          >> I'LL SECOND IT. >> OKAY. 
          ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON IT? SEEING NONE I'LL CALL THE QUESTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. 
          I WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD. 
          SO WHO IS OPPOSED? COMMISSIONER NORTON AND COMMISSIONER DAVIS VOTE NO. WITH THAT, THAT FINALIZES THAT. 
          THE NEXT HEARING WILL BE AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING ON JANUARY 25TH. ANY TIME AFTER 5:00. 
          THEY WON'T DO IT BEFORE 5:00. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING. 
          IF YOU'VE GOT TO GO FEEL FREE TO LEAVE AND WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEFALL RIGHT WE WILL BE BACK MINUTE WE WILL GO AHEAD AND 
          [1.  Public Hearing to consider REZ 2021-14. (District 1, Comm. Cella) (D. Selig)]
LAUNCH INTO THE REST OF OUR AGENDA SO WE GO BACK TO NUMBER ONE WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER ARE EASY 20 2114 AN APPLICATION TO REZONE EIGHT PARCELS BY THE CLAY COUNTY REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY FROM DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS AND THAT IS IN THE COMMISSIONERS DISTRICT. 
          DO YOU HAVE THAT ONE? 
          >> THIS ITEM WILL BE GOING TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON 24 JANUARY THIS IS BROUGHT FORTH BY THE CLAY COUNTY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY THIS IS THE PLANNING DISTRICT ON THE EAST SIDE OF COLLEGE DRIVE THIS WILL BE FAMILIAR TO MOST OF THE BOARD WE HAD A PLANNED CHANGE ON THE SAME PARCELS WITH AN ADDITION DOWN TO THE ZONING APPLICATION THIS APPLICATION IS A ZONING 
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CHANGE FOR EIGHT PARCELS FOR 4 3/4 ACRES FROM THE VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS TO BB TO THE PROPERS ÃPROPERTIES ARE HIGHLIGHTED THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS A LITTLE EASIER TO SEE AND WITH THE MANY COLORS INVOLVED IT'S HARD TO PICK IT OUT BUT THE CENTER OF THE MAP ARE THE SUBJECT PARCELS BY TOP ONE IS BB THREE HAD NEXT TO IT THERE IS A BA PARCEL AND SOUTH OF THAT THERE IS A LONG PARCEL LONGER WANT ON THE PARCEL IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF IT THOSE ARE ALSO THOSE ARE THE VA TBA 2 AND PART AR AND SO THOSE ARE THE PARCELS ALTOGETHER AS I MENTIONED WE HAD A CHANGE LAST MONTH AND PROVIDE RETAIL AND SERVICE AND BB 2 ZONING DISTRICT IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE FOR SHOPPING AND RECREATIONAL NEEDS FOR SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS A COMMUNITY AT LARGE OR SUBSTANTIAL LAND AREA THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND COMPATIBLE WITH A FUTURE USE LAND DESIGNATIONS AND THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR ZONE 14. I AM DONE. 
          >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE? YOU HAVE A COMMENT CARD AND IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION, GO AHEAD. 
          >> AND FOR CLARIFICATION PAGES SEVEN OF THAT THING SUBCATEGORY 2 THAT STATES IF THE REAR YARD IS NOT ABOUT A PUBLIC STREET ACCESS TO PRIVATE PROPERTY SHALL BE PROVIDED ACCESS NOT LESS THAN 15 FEET WIDE AND BLAH BLAH BLAH AND THEY TREAT THIS THE STREET BEHIND THAT IS A PRIVATE ROAD AND IT'S REALLY JUST MAYBE TWO STEPS ABOVE A MUDGETT RUT ÃMUD RUT I READ THIS PROBABLY 15 TIMES BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE NOTICED THIS THAT THEY SAY IT'S OKAY TO PUT A ROAD THROUGH HIS PROPERTY TO GET THROUGH THE STREET. 
          >> CELL, THESE PARCELS WILL ALL BE COMBINED THE REAR, THE INTENT IS TO SELL THIS AS A PROJECT TO A DEVELOPER THAT WOULD COME IN AND DO A COMMERCIAL REVITALIZATION THE EXISTING LINES EXCEPT FOR THE OUTSIDE BOUNDARY AND IT WILL GO AWAY AND THE DEVELOPER OUTLINE LAYING OUT WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT WILL BECOME FOR THEM FOR THE END USER IS GOING TO CREATE AN ACCESS TO SERVE THE INTERNAL FUNCTION THEY WILL HAVE TO PUT THE STORM WATER INTO WHAT HAVE YOU AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUBDIVIDED IT DOESN'T WORK TO SUIT THAT END USER BUT IF IT IS WE WILL ADDRESS THAT BUT IT'S ALMOST CERTAIN THEY WILL CREATE INTERNAL ACCESS YOU HAVE THOSE SEPARATE PARCELS THAT GOT COMBINED AND NOW THEY HAVE INTERNAL DRIVE AND SERVES ALL 
          THE BUILDINGS AND WHAT HAVE YOU >> BEING A PRIVATE ROAD IS THIS 
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NOT APPLY THEN? I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT WOULD PLAY OUT. I AM NOT SURE HOW IT WOULD ON 
          WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES Ã >> I KNOW WHAT IT IS FOR. 
          >> IT'S FIRE ACCESS THEY CAN'T OBSTRUCT I WENT TO A HEARING ONE TIME OR SOMEONE HAD THAT WAS 25 FOOT AND THEY MADE HIM MOVE THAT BUILDING OFF OF THAT AND 
          >> THE LAST MEETING WE HAD ON THIS IT'S A PRIVATE ROAD AND LORD HELP THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THEY TRIED TO GET THAT AND KEEP IN MIND THAT ITDOESN'T SAY THEY NEED A ROAD IS JUST ACCESS AND IF I OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR 20 SOME YEARS AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY BUILD A HOME DEPOT IN THE LOT NEXT TO MINE THEY WANT TO COME OVER TO BUILD A STREET ACROSS IT. 
          AND THEN THEY DON'T NEED THAT OR ANYTHING ELSE. 
          >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS SAYS. 
          >> THIS WOULD BE THE REAR BACK HERE BEHIND THESE BUILDINGS AND ACCESS TO THAT IS PROVIDED ALL OF THIS PARKING AND IS WIDE ENOUGH ON THIS SIDE SO WHOEVER DEVELOPS OVER HERE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT SAME TRAFFIC FLOW. 
          >> SO THEY CAN DO WHATEVER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I NEED TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT FIRST AND WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. [INDISCERNIBLE] 
          >> JOSH COCKRELL CLAY COUNTY EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY, I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT ANYTHING I SAID LAST TIME BUT AS A REMINDER WE ARE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AGENCY THAT WAS CREATED IN 1956 OR 57 FOR THE PURPOSE OF SUPPORT IN PROVIDING ÃCLAY COUNTY AND SERVING AS ELITE FINANCING SO NUMEROUS PROJECTS WE WORKED ON WE AMASS CASH FROM THAT PROJECT IN REVENUE BONDS AND THIS IS A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT AND YOU CAN SEE A BUNCH OF PARCELS NUMEROUS PARCELS HERE THERE WERE FIVE OR SIX HOMES HERE THAT WERE ALL HOMESTEADED AND IT WAS RUN AS A RENTAL BUT MOST OF THEM AS YOU CAN SEE THE LAND-USE DISCUSSION LAST MONTH HOMESTEAD LAND-USE IS NOT COMPATIBLE AND IS TAKING EXEMPTIONS OFF THE TAX ROLLS AND THESE PARCELS OVER THE COURSE OF LAST YEAR WE BROUGHT THE AVERAGE PARCEL TO MAKE ATLANTA TO A 40,000 ACRES BEFORE THAT IT WAS MUCH LESS IN THE HUNDREDS SO OUR GOAL AND OBJECTIVE ARE TO HAVE THESE ALL WITH THE EASE OF ACCESS YOU DRIVE BY THERE TODAY YOU WILL 
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SEE THE HOMES HAVE BEEN REMOVED OR SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED TREES ARE COMING DOWN THEY CAN BE RAISED FOR THE MOST PART AND CLEARED AND WE CAN SELL IT BY THE END OF THIS MONTH AND THAT'S A SITE TO RAISE SITE SOMETHING THAT THE CLAY COUNTY DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION DISCUSSED FOR MANY YEARS AND THIS IS COMPLEMENT TO THE AREA AND THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS DONE BACK IN THE EARLY 2000'S AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND SO FORTH SO THIS AREA HERE I CAME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND AS YOU KNOW WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN REZONING THAT YOU AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO BE AN AUTO GARAGE AND ENDED UP NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND WE HELP SEIZE UPON THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE THAT PARCEL SO WE ARE PROPOSING BB 2 THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS IF YOU WILL YOU HAVE A HODGEPODGE ALL UP AND DOWN COLLEGE DRIVE THIS WOULD BE CONSISTENT IT DOES ALLOW A FUTURE DEVELOPER TO COME IN AND PROVIDE THOSE USES AS WELL SO OVERALL THE ONLY CONCERN THAT WAS EVER BROUGHT UP TALKING TO STAFF AND SOME BUSINESSES THAT CAN BE ALLOWED BUT THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THAT AREA BECAUSE OF THE SCHOOL AND NONETHELESS WE ARE HERE TO GET THE APPROVAL FOR YOU GUYS TODAY FOR THE COMMISSION AS A WHOLE ANY QUESTIONS? 
          >> I HAVE ONE. ARE YOU PLANNING ON COMBINING THIS INTO A SINGLE PARCEL? 
          >> ONE STEP AT A TIME. 
          >> HERE IS THE REASON I ASKED THAT IF I WAS TO BUY THAT FROM YOU I COULD START SELLING OFF PARCELS. 
          >> THAT'S CORRECT THAT WE MAY STILL DO THAT IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WILLING TO COME IN AND BUY AND BE PIECEMEAL IF WE HAVE TO OUR GOAL OVERALLS FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NOT TO BE THE DEVELOPER IF WE CHOOSE TO DO SO WE WILL DO WHATEVER IS BEST FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 
          >> SO YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT THIS AS A REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY IT COULD BE EIGHT NEW PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          >> ONE STEP AT A TIME OUR GOAL IS TO GET THIS AND GO FROM THERE I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TOMORROW LOOKS LIKE AND 
          >> SO WHY DID YOU ASK FOR BB 2? 
          >> AS I EXPLAINED IS THE BEST THAT ALLOWS A POTENTIAL BUYER TO ALLOW THE SAME USE AS A BB 1 AS WELL AS BEING 2 MBA. 
          THAT'S COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT'S ON THE DRAFT. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY I HAVE ONE CARD. 
          I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NANCY MCDANIELS. 
          >> MY NAME IS NANCY MCDANIELS I LIVE AT 1648 SANDY HOLLOW. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] THAT PINK NEIGHBORHOOD AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT-HAND CORNER IS WHERE I LIVE AND IN 2009 THE FORMER PLANNING COMMISSION ALLOWED AN ILLEGAL BILL TO RETENTION POND ON AUGUST 9 2009 MY HOME WAS FLOODED IN 15 MINUTES WHEN THAT FAILED. SINCE THAT TIME THERE HAS BEEN NO UPKEEP OF OUR DRAINAGE THAT LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD GETS THE WATER AND RIGHT NOW AS YOU AND I ARE STANDING THERE THERE IS NO RAIN, THERE IS WATER FLOWING OFF OF COLLEGE DRIVE UNDERNEATH THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE SIX FAILURES THAT ROAD IS ABOUT TO CAVE IN WE HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR 13 YEARS TO GET IT FIXED THIS GETS BUILT ON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE IS THAT WATER GOING TO DRAIN? RIGHT BACK TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD NOT TO MENTION I UNDERSTAND YOU WANT TO DEVELOP IT BUT WHAT KIND OF QUALITY OF LIFE WAS GOING TO BE IN THERE AND BB 2 HAS SO MANY DIFFERENT USES AND IT COULD BE A BOWLING ALLEY IT COULD BE WHATEVER. WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD MICHIGAN STREET? THAT'S MAYBE A TWO MINUTE WALK FROM WHERE I LIVE AND ON TOP OF THAT COLLEGE DRIVE IS NOT MAINTAINED APPROPRIATELY SO WHEN YOU BRING THAT TRAFFIC IN THERE FOR ME TO COME OUT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE A LEFT I HAVE TO WAIT A GOOD FIVE MINUTES I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THESE 
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BUSINESSES GET BUILT SO BETWEEN THE TRAFFIC AND THE DRAINAGE IN THE NOISE I HAVE A NICE LITTLE HOME BACK THERE I LOVE IT AND I PLAN TO STAY THERE FOREVER BUT MY QUALITY OF LIFE WILL GO DOWN IF ALL OF THIS HAPPENS AND IF MY HOUSE FLOODS AGAIN 15 MINUTES FROM DRY FLOOR TO 18 INCHES OF WATER IN MY HOUSE WITH MY 13-YEAR-OLD SON TRAPPED. 
          SO EVERY TIME SOMETHING GETS BUILT WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE WATER IF WE ARE BACK THERE AGAIN SO I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND SEE WHAT THE COUNTY HAS PLANNED TO DIVERT THE WATER BECAUSE THE LAST TIME THEY DID SOMETHING LIKE THIS THEY FILLED HIM A RETENTION POND. 
          THERE WAS A RETENTION POND THERE THE COUNTY LET THEM FILL IT IN AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED TWO WEEKS AFTER THEY FILLED IT IN? MY NEIGHBORHOOD GOT FLOODED. 
          THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS TAKING THE BRUNT OF THE DRAINAGE AND NOW YOU WANT TO ADD MORE COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TO A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND ALL OF THAT BACK THERE HIS RESIDENCE. 
          EVERY BIT OF IT SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO TAKE A MOMENT AND FIND OUT WHAT THEY HAVE PLANNED BEFORE YOU APPROVE IT. 
          AND THIS I AM THE ONLY ONE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THE GOT ONE. 
          THAT'S IT. I AM THE ONLY ONE THAT I GOT IT TWO DAYS AGO. IT'S CALLED FOREST GLEN SANDY HOLLOW DRIVE.ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS KNEW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. I AM THE ONLY ONE ON THAT 
          BOTTOM LOOP >> I GET IT BUT THE NEIGHBORS THAT FLOODED BEFORE DIDN'T. 
          >> IT DEPENDS IS 350 FEET. IF THOSE PARCELS LIE OUTSIDE THROUGH THE 50 FEET THEY WOULD NOT GET A NOTICE. 
          >> I LIVE FURTHER NORTH THAN ANY OF THE OTHERS. 
          >> ARE THEY RENTERS? 
          >> WE ALL OWN OUR HOME SPRAY >> CAN WE LOOK INTO THAT? 
          >> I HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE LIKE WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT REZONING? CIVIC EVERYONE IN 350 FEE SHOULD GET ONE. SO IF THEY SHOULD BUT WE DIDN'T GET ONE. I AM THE LADY THAT RUNS A FACEBOOK GROUP WHEN I PUT OUT THERE HOW MANY OF YOU ALL ARE GOING TO THE MEETING AND DID ANYONE GET THIS? I TOOK A PICTURE OF THIS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE DIDN'T GET THAT. 
          THERE ARE 15 PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT LOOP THAT LIVED EVEN CLOSER THAT I DO TO THIS PARCEL AND I'M THE ONLY ONE THEY GOT IT. 
          >> OKAY THANK YOU. 
          >> I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BB 2 THERE ARE 16 THINGS THAT 
          COULD BE DONE. >> CAN YOU JUST LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE? 
          >> I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THE RADIUS MAP. 
          >> MAKE SURE IF WE DIDN'T SEND IT TO SOMEBODY AT LEAST GIVE IT 
          TO >> DO WE TRACK? IS THERE A LOG THAT TRACKS WHEN APPLICATION GOES OUT THE NOTICES THEY GO TO THE NEIGHBORS TO BE LOG THAT ANYWHERE? 
          >> THEY ARE ALL MAILED OUT IN BATCHES AT ONE TIME AND WE GET THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IS THE LEGAL OWNERSHIP AND IF SOMEBODY IS RENTING OR IF IT'S A FAMILY MEMBER ABOUT THE OWNER LIVES ELSEWHERE CIVIC IF IT'S A RENTAL I COMPLETELY GET THAT BUT MY QUESTION IS IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN GO BACK TO TO CONFIRM THAT WE SENT IT TO MRS. SMITH? 
          >> I HAVE A LIST OF EVERYONE IT WAS SENT TO. 
          I HAVE A LIST OF EVERY PARCEL. THAT WAS IN THAT LISTING 
          >> WE CAN TRACK IT THAT WAY. 
          >> MY CONCERN WAS ABOUT THAT LOT WITH THE RETENTION POND BEING FILLED AND I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT THE COUNTY WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO COME IN AND FILL A RETENTION POND BECAUSE IF HE GETS HIS ZONING IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY HE SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO HANDLE STORMWATER RUNOFF WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO POTENTIALLY HAVE TO BUILD A RETENTION POND 
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SO WHY ARE WE FILLING A RETENTION POND? 
          >> THEY ARE SAYING IT WAS BUILT ILLEGALLY. 
          >> SOMEBODY SHOULD BE GETTING FIND IT A SHOULD BE CORRECTED IN THE HOMEOWNERS SHOULD NOT BE GETTING FLOODED. 
          >> THAT PS ONE PARCEL IS THAT CHURCH THERE A COUPLE OF MANUFACTURED BUILDINGS RIGHT NOW. 
          >> THE ONE THAT'S UP ON THE. [INDISCERNIBLE] 
          >> IS THAT THEY ARE A LOT? 
          >> I THINK SO. 
          >> I WOULD WANT TO LOOK INTO THAT TO FIND OUT WHY THAT WAS 
          FILLED IN. >> 
          >> CAN YOU TELL ME ROUGHLY WIN? 
          >> 2000 WAS THE FIRST FLOOD. SO 2008 AND WE WERE TOLD BY THE COUNTY THERE WAS NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT WAS PRIVATE PROPERTY. 
          >> I'M SORRY. THAT WAS TOLD TO US BY MR. IV ON THE FIRST FLOOD OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE SECOND FLOOD CAME ABOUT NINE MONTHS LATER WHEN THE RETENTION POND AT THE COLLEGE FAILED I CAME DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO INCLUDE SEWAGE, CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS, TELEPHONE POLES AND AN EEL THAT MADE ITS HOME IN MY GARAGE FOR THREE DAYS AND I FOUND THAT ONE OF THE MORNING WHEN IT TRIED TO BITE ME. 
          >> TELL ME AGAIN >> GO TO THE LEFT SORRY TO THE RIGHT SIDE GO UP THREE STOP. RIGHT THERE.THAT'S ME. 
          >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMENTS?I HAVE SOME I WANT TO MAKE ON THIS ONE. 
          CIVIC I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED REGARDING FLOODING AND DRAINAGE I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL WE GET SOME ANSWERS WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED. 
          >> JUST TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT IT WAS MENTIONED IF THIS PROPERTY WERE DEVELOPED THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE STORMWATER ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. 
          THERE WAS A NAME MENTIONED A FEW SECONDS AGO THAT LIVES IN INFAMY IN CLAY COUNTY FOR DRAINING, DRAINAGE ISSUES SO THAT SHOULD BE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES TRIED TO DO I AM STRONGLY SUPPORTED AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA AND I AM HAPPY TO SEE CLAY COUNTY BEING PROACTIVE TRYING TO CREATE A COMMERCIAL Ã EVERYBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT RESIDENTIAL HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY SO WHAT IF IT'S EIGHT PARCELS? WHAT IF IT WERE? I GET THE IDEA IT'S REALLY NOT OUR PURVIEW FRANKLY THIS PROPERTY IS SEVERAL LOTS AWAY FROM APS ONE SO I WOULD PREFER TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> >> I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS BUT HOW DO WE GET A HEARING INVOLVED WITH SOME OF THIS? THE ENGINEERING AROUND THIS TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE. 
          >> ENGINEERING GETS INVOLVED WHEN THE DESIGN COMES THROUGH WHICH IS AFTER THIS. 
          >> HOW DO THEY GET INVOLVED TO CORRECT IT? 
          >> THE ONE ANSWER THAT? 
          >> SO I UNDERSTAND THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH DRAINAGE AND SOME HISTORICAL STUFF GOING ON THE NEXT STEP IS ON THEY COME IN FOR PLAN REVIEW THAT'S A HUGE PROCESS WHEN THEY GO THROUGH ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS IS PROBABLY 20 DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS THAT TOUCH THIS THING AND TELL THEM WHAT'S WRONG WITH IT AND THAT KIND OF THING. 
          >> THAT WOULD BE FOR THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE WHOLE OTHER ISSUE WHICH I GUESS IS THE QUESTION SEPARATE FROM THIS AND NOT TO TIE THIS OUT BUT HOW TO GET THAT 
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ADDRESSED. 
          >> I DON'T THINK YOU TIE UP ONE PROJECT FOR THE BIGGER ISSUE WE CAN TAKE OUR COMMENTS BACK TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THIS AREA WE ARE DOING THIS HUGE STORMWATER STUDY THIS WHOLE AREA HAS A LOT OF ISSUES SOME OF THE STUFF YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT WAS ST. JOHNS RIVER STATE COLLEGE AND THE PONDS IS A HUGE RETENTION POND IN THAT AREA THERE'S A HUGE WETLAND IN THAT AREA THERE'S SOME FOLKS WHO LIVE FURTHER EAST THAT HAVE TONS OF FLOODING ISSUES ALL OF THAT AS PART OF OUR STORM WATER STUDY THAT ARE THE RFPS GOING OUT IN THE NEXT THREE WEEKS TO GET THAT STARTED IS A HUGE ISSUE COUNTYWIDE BUT THAT STORMWATER PROJECT WERE STORMWATER STUDY AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS I THINK IT WAS THEY'VE HAD $3 MILLION EACH YEAR FOR DRAINAGE PROJECTS SO THIS IS A BIG ISSUE TO SAY THE LEAST AREA THIS AREA IS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          >> SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS AND I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION I FRANKLY DON'T SUPPORT THIS AND I WANT TO LAY OUT WHY I DON'T NUMBER ONE I THINK THIS IS BEING SOLD AS A REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AND ALL YOU'RE GOING TO GET HIS PEOPLE COMING ON THE PARCEL PUTTING THING IN AROUND HERE AND THERE IT DOESN'T CREATE REDEVELOPMENT AND IT JUST CREATES MORE OF THIS THAT WE HAVE UPON COLLEGE DRIVE AND THE OTHER THING YOU MENTIONED IF THE PEOPLE THAT WERE HERE AT THE TIME I ARGUED ABOUT THIS AND THAT BELONGED ON THE NORTH END OF COLLEGE DRIVE THAT AREA HAS THE VA CLINIC IN THE SCOTT THE CENTER GOING IN AT ALL OF THIS USES GOING IN AND THIS OUGHT TO BE AT A MINIMUM I THINK IT WOULD DRIVE THE DEVELOPMENT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PLANNING NOT JUST SELLING PROPERTY IT WOULD DRIVE THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMPLEMENTARY TO THOSE OTHER USES THAT SURROUND THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW AND IF A DEVELOPER BOUGHT THIS AND DECIDED THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING THEN LET THEM COME BACK AND ASKED FOR A PC ÃTELL IT IS ÃTELL US WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT IN THERE AND SEE IF IT LOOKS APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA BUT TO ME THIS IS A BRIDGE TOO FAR AND I THINK WE ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND REGRET IT BECAUSE ALL YOU ARE DOING IS OPENING THAT UP TO BE MORE STRIP MALLS. 
          THAT'S ALL IT'S GOING TO BE. STRIP MALL AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT ON THAT SECTION OF COLLEGE DRIVE SO WITH THAT I WILL TAKE A MOTION. [INDISCERNIBLE] 
          >> I MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS ITEM FORWARD TO IMPROVE THE ZONING. 
          >> I WILL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. 
          >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING AND I WILL TAKE ABOUT ALL OF THOSE FAVORS ÃIN FAVOR OF THE MOTION STATE AYE ALL OF THOSE OPPOSED? SO THE NO VOTE IS. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] MR. NORTON AND MR. DAVIS. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? EVERYONE ELSE VOTED YES? OKAY SO THAT PASSES. NEXT ONE. 
          [2.  Public Hearing to consider LDC 2021-17.  (D. Selig)]
THE NEXT ONE IS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LDC 2021 APPLICATION THAT'S PROPOSED AMENDMENT ARTICLE 12 WHICH ADDRESSES THREE MAIN CHANGES AND DO YOU WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT? TO MAKE THIS ITEM WILL GO TO 
          [02:35:02]
THE BOARD ON JANUARY 25 THIS STARTED BECAUSE THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE PASSED BILL 35 BACK IN JULY TAKES EFFECT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO AREA THE BIG OPPORTUNITY AND THAT LEGISLATION WAS A CHANCE FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES TO UTILIZE NEWSPAPER FOR LEGAL ADVERTISEMENTS THAT WERE OFFERED THAT PUBLISHES A MINIMUM OF ONCE A WEEK PREVIOUSLY YOU HAD TO BE A DAILY PAPER AND ITS A PRETTY LENGTHY BILL BUT THAT WAS THE GEM OF WHAT WAS OFFERED TO THE GOVERNMENT AND WE LOOKED AT LEGAL ADVERTISING AND WE OPEN THAT UP WE MAY CHANGES ADDRESSING THIS NEW OPPORTUNITY WITH ADVERTISING CHANGING WHERE WE HAD THE CODE IN REFERENCE TO THE DAILY PAPER AND THEN WE ALSO MAY CHANGES REGARDING POSTING SIGNS THERE IS A OUT AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO POST A HUGE NUMBER OF SCIENCE IF YOU GO TO PUT 22 SIGNS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR LAND-USE AND ANOTHER 22 FOR REZONING IT GETS BURDENSOME SO THERE IS IN THE CODE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND REQUEST ESSENTIALLY A COUPLE OF LARGE SIGNS THE PROBLEM WITH THAT OPTION IS THAT YOU HAVE TO BRING IT TO THE BOARD AND BASICALLY YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE GOING TO BE BURDENED ABOUT THREE MONTHS BEFOREHAND AND IT'S NOT A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME BECAUSE THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO COME BEFORE A PLANNING COMMISSION AND GET THAT APPROVAL FAR ENOUGH IN ADVANCE THEY COULD GET THOSE NEW SIGNS MADE AND UP TO MEET THEIR DEADLINE FOR THE APPLICATION. SO WE ARE MAKING A CHANGE THERE TO MAKE IT IN-HOUSE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN WE DISCOVERED A HISTORIC PRESERVATION SECTION THERE IS A ERROR I'M NOT SURE HOW IT HAPPENED BUT EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE IT HAPPENED SO IT READ ONE THROUGH 16 AND STARTED OVER AT 14 AND I DON'T KNOW WHY BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE CORRECTING SINCE WE GOT THIS ORDINANCE OPEN. THESE ARE THE SECTIONS OF THE CODE AS FAR AS THE LEGAL ADVERTISING SO WE LOOKED AT REZONING AND THE PLAN CHANGES AND WE TRIED TO STANDARDIZE ALL OF THOSE ACTIONS COULD UTILIZE THE SAME WEEKLY PAPER SO AND THEN AS I MENTION THOSE WITH THE OTHER SECTIONS THAT WERE CHANGED AND APPLY THE ZONING PLANS AND THERE WAS A GENERAL SIGNAGE SECTION AND THEN THE HISTORIC BOARD SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF LCD 20 -2117. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE FOR STAFF? 
          >> I JUST HAVE ONE FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY YOU HAVE REVIEWED ALL OF THIS AND IT CONFORMS WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENTS. 
          >> THE VERSION THAT YOU HAVE IN THERE WE HAVE MADE A FEW CHANGES NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE BUT JUST TO KIND OF CLEAN IT UP SO THE VERSION THAT WILL GO TO THE BOARD IS SOMEWHAT CLEANED UP A LITTLE BIT BUT WE REVIEWED IT AND THAT'S FINE. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> ONE OBSERVATION I MADE WAS THERE IS NO PROVISION IN HERE THE BOARD OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT IT WE HAVE EVERY OTHER COMMITTEE AND PRESERVATION SOCIETY AND IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD? WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NOW AND ANOTHER ONE COMING ONLINE AS SOON AS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS APPROVES IT BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE DON'T HAVE IT LISTED 
          [02:40:09]
          >> CAN WE JUST ASK STAFF TO LOOK INTO THAT AND ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE? 
          >> THEY ARE GOING TO NOTIFY THE CAC AS A MATTER OF POLICY. 
          >> WE DO LET THEM KNOW WE HAVE ONE AND WHEN SOMETHING IS COMING UP IN THAT AREA THEY LET US KNOW IF THEY FEEL LIKE IT'S 
          SOMETHING THEY WANT TO SEE >> THERE SHOULD BE SOME REQUIREMENT THAT THEY ARE NOTIFIED THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE NOTICE. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? LET'S OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS I DON'T SEE ANYONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THIS CLEARLY THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO POST LEGAL NOTICES GOING FORWARD TODAY AND SO MY QUESTION WAS, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE CIRCULATION OF CLAY IS TODAY IN CLAY COUNTY AND THE TIMES UNION IN CLAY COUNTY? ARE WE GOING FROM POTENTIALLY POSTING A LEGAL NOTICE? I UNDERSTAND WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS NOTHING IN HERE SAYS WE HAVE TO USE CLAY TODAY SO WHAT I AM ASKING IS IF THE TIMES UNION CLAY COUNTY CIRCULATION IS I WILL JUST THROW IT NUMBER OUT 10,000 SUBSCRIBERS THAT MEANS YOU HAVE POTENTIALLY 10,000 PEOPLE LOOKING AT THAT NOTICE VERSUS CLAY TODAY WITH HUNDREDS OF SUBSCRIBERS YOU CAN SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE YOUR AUDIENCE FOR THOSE PUBLIC NOTICES, THAT CONCERNS ME. THE OTHER THING THAT IS NOT IN HERE ANYWHERE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT IS THAT ESPECIALLY IF WE GO TO CLAY TODAY BECAUSE I'M SURE THEY HAVE A SMALLER CIRCULATION, THAT WE POST ALL OF THESE NOTICES ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE DO THAT TODAY I HAVE NEVER GONE OUT THERE AND LOOKED FOR IT BUT I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE DO BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS DIGITALLY AS MUCH AS THEY ARE DOING IT BY PICKING UP A NEWSPAPER AND LOOKING AT IT. 
          >> ALL OF OUR OTHER ORDINANCES OTHER THAN PLANNING, WE PUBLISH THEM IN CLAY TODAY SO EVERY OTHER COUNTY NOTICES EXCEPT FOR PLANNING AND THE ONES THAT WE DO PUT IN CLAY TODAY ARE DIGITAL. 
          >> YES BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT WEBSITE. 
          >> NO YOU DON'T. 
          >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A SUBSCRIPTION. 
          >> OKAY BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT NEGATES THE THING THAT WE SHOULD BE PUBLISHING THESE IN AS MANY PLACES AS POSSIBLE RATHER THAN REDUCING THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT CAN SEE THEM, WE SHOULD BE INCREASING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PUT THE LEGAL AD IN THE PAPER BUT WHEN YOU HIT THE CLAY COUNTY WEBSITE IT HAS RIGHT ON THE FRONT PAGE OF LINK THAT SAYS LEGAL NOTICES AND YOU CLICK ON IT AND YOU CAN GO SEE WHAT THE NOTICES ARE THAT THE DIFFERENT BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE PUBLISHING. 
          AND WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO USE THE WEBSITE YOU SHOULD PUT STUFF ON THIS USEFUL TO THE PEOPLE USING IT. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. I NEEDS TAKE A MOTION ON THIS. 
          >> SO WE WILL GIVE THAT A MOTION AND A SECOND GRADE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE. 
          OPPOSED? NEXT ONE. 
          [3.  Public Hearing to consider CPA 2021-21. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]
A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER CPA 2021 AND APPLICATION SMALL SCALE AMENDMENT TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THREE AND FOUR ARE RELATED RIGHT? SO FOUR IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REZONING 20 2117 THE APPLICATION IS REZONING 
          [02:45:06]
SEVERAL PORTIONS AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO KIND OF IN THE INTEREST OF TIME IS TAKE THESE TOGETHER I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO ACT ON THEM SEPARATELY BUT THERE'S NO REASON TO REPEAT EVERYTHING TWICE SO YOU GOT THIS ONE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          >> SO BOTH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE ZONING WILL ALSO GO 25 JANUARY THE APPLICANT IS Ã CORPORATION THE PROPERTIES AT THE INTERSECTION OF COUNTY ROAD 218 AND ÃELEMENTARY THEY ARE JUST WANT TO PUT THIS OUT ON THE RECORD, THIS IS A MOVEMENT IN TERMS OF THE ZONING DESIGNATIONS WITHIN THOSE PARCELS THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THE DENSITY OVERALL IS JUST A PHYSICAL MOVE ON SITE SO IT'S A TRADE OF THE SAME ACREAGE ONE DESIGNATION AND THEN A REVERSE FLIP-FLOP IN ORDER TO MOVE THEM SO BECAUSE OF THAT THERE IS NOT AN INCREASE IN THE LAND USE CATEGORIES AND THEREFORE IT DOESN'T IMPACT THE MORATORIUM SO THERE'S A TOTAL OF 18.9 ACRES GOING FROM AND TO THE MASTER PLANNING COMMUNITY AND THE VILLAGE CENTER AND THEN 4.3 ACRES MOVING FROM MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY AND VICE VERSA AND THE EXACT SAME PORTIONS OF THESE PARCELS AND PERCENTAGES THERE THE SAME CATEGORIES AND SO DEFINITELY ONE PRESENTATION COVERS IT ALL THERE IS A MAP OF THE PORTIONS OF THE PARCELS AS I SAID IT'S ON 218 AND YOU CAN SEE THE BUS LOOP ROAD THE VILLAGE CENTER AREA SO THE YELLOW HATCHES IN THE PINK CIRCLE ARE CURRENTLY VILLAGE CENTER THEY WOULD BE CONVERTING TO NPC AND THE THREE PINK HATCHED AREAS ARE AREAS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NPC WOULD BE CHANGING TO VILLAGE CENTER AND THOSE TOTALS THAT I SAID, AND IT'S A SHORT PRESENTATION AND A PRESENTATION ON THE INTENT AND WHY THEY ARE DOING THESE CHANGES AND I WANT TO KEEP THIS CLEAN AND FOCUS ON THE PORTIONS. 
          >> THIS VILLAGE CENTER THAT'S GOING TO BECOME A FOUR-WAY INTERCHANGE WITH THE ROAD GOING OVER TO THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY. 
          >> THE ORANGE AND RED ON THE RIGHT OF THE SCREEN THIS THE INTERCHANGE VILLAGE CENTER DESIGNATION AND THIS IS JUST OFF FURTHER EAST FROM THERE SO YES COMING FROM THE INTERSECTION OF BUS LOOP ROAD TO 218 IT WILL CONNECT WITH THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY. 
          >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WHO GETS TO DO THIS ONE? 
          >> GOOD EVENING MR. CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS FOR THE RECORD I AM RAY SPOFFORD DIRECTOR OF Ã 14775. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] ROAD JACKSONVILLE I WANT TO GRAB THE LASER POINTER BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MOVING PARTS 
          >> SO JUST TO REITERATE WE ARE MOVING LAND USE AROUND THERE'S NO INCREASE IN RESIDENTIAL AND DENSITY WHAT THIS CHANGE WILL DO IT WILL HELP FACILITATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF COUNTY ROAD 218 EXTENSION AND THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP THE AREA FOCUS IS THIS VILLAGE CENTER UNLESS LINE BETWEEN THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY AND BROWN IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY WHICH IS IN YELLOW AND SO AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW THE VILLAGE CENTER IS 
          [02:50:04]
INTENDED TO BE A MIX OF USES KIND OF MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SCALE WHEREAS THE ACTIVITY CENTER IN THIS PURPLE AREA SURROUNDS THE INTERCHANGE OF THE EXPRESSWAY AND THE COUNTY ROAD 218 EXTENSION IS THE SHOPPING AREA THOSE WILL HAVE MORE HIGHER INTENSITY USES NEXT SLIDE. THIS MAP SHOWS IN THE BLUE THE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS YOU HAVE RUSSELL ROAD TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH FOR 17 TO 315 WE WILL WIDEN THAT AND TAKE OUT THE SHARP CURVE AREA COUNTY ROAD 315 TO THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY IT WILL BE A TWO LANE ROAD AND HERE IN YELLOW IS THE ALIGNMENT OF THE COUNTY ROAD 218 EXTENSION BACK IN MARCH 2018 REINHOLD CORPORATION ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY TO CONSTRUCT THAT ROADWAY AND THAT ROADWAY IS TO COMMENCE CONSTRUCTION BY THE END OF 2022 SO THEY WILL BE FUNDING THIS THROUGH A CDD SO IN ORDER TO CREATE THAT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL SO THIS IS A ZOOMED IN AND ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE MAP THE VILLAGE CENTER AT EXISTING 218 AND THAT SHE 18 EXTENSION AND THE BUS LOOP ROAD AND THE DRIVEWAY TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS HERE CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE JUST SUBMITTED TODAY TO THE COUNTY FOR THAT EXTENSION FROM THE EXPRESSWAY BUT THERE ARE PLANS IN PLACE TO RECONSTRUCT THIS PORTION OF THE ACCESS TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS PART OF A PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HELP CREATE THIS CDD THAT'S NEEDED TO FUND THE TWO AND EIGHT EXTENSION. THIS SHOWS A LAYOUT OF THE PLANNED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WRAPS AROUND AS YOU CAN SEE THE INITIAL NEED FOR THIS AMENDMENT CAME ABOUT WHEN WE FIRST MET WITH STAFF YOU CAN SEE THERE IS LOTS WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH THIS REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF FIVE UNITS PER ACRE TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE THE SUBDIVISION IS ABOUT 3.2 UNITS PER ACRE AND SO THERE WAS A NEED TO MOVE THAT CENTER TO ANOTHER LOCATION SO WE MET WITH STAFF AND THEY HAD A GOOD IDEA TO ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND SQUARE OFF THE EDGES OF THE VILLAGE CENTER TO MAKE A MORE EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN. 
          WE OVERLAID THE FLOOD ZONE IN THIS AREA IN THE LIGHT GREEN THE PRELIMINARY WETLAND LINES NORTH OF THE EXTENSION AND PROBABLY A HIGHER QUALITY WHILE IN THAT'S THE REASON WE MOVED VILLAGE CENTER ESSENTIALLY FROM THERE TO THE NORTH AND THE EXTENSION BECAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY A BOUNDARY LINES THAT WOULD BE THE LINES OF THE NORTH WHICH MAKES MORE SENSE TO EXTEND THAT IN THE VILLAGE CENTER WAS MOVED AND PART OF THIS AMENDMENT YOU WILL SEE TO MAKE IT CLEAN THERE ARE TWO PARCELS HERE IN THE SOUTHWEST AND WE WANTED TO CHANGE THOSE TO A MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY WHEN YOU LOOK UP HERE THERE'S A STRIP OF LAND THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY NOW IS NORTH OF THIS FUTURE TO 18 EXTENSION THAT CREATES A SHALLOW AREA THAT WILL BE HARD TO DEVELOP SO THAT WAS A SWAP FROM THESE PARCELS TO THIS ONE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AFTERWORDS AND THIS IS THE ACTUAL PROPOSED LAND USE MAP YOU CAN SEE THE RECONFIGURATION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER RECOGNIZES THE WETLANDS AND FLOOD ZONE AND SQUARES OFF THE CORNERS AND EXTENDS IT OUT TO THE POWERLINE AND WE CLEAN UP 
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THESE PARCELS HERE AND JUST ABOVE THE FUTURE CONNECTION OF THE 218 EXTENSION. SO IF YOU GO BACK AND FORTH WITH THIS ONE YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S ADOPTED AND WHAT'S PROPOSED. SO NEXT SLIDE, AGAIN, NO INCREASE IN DENSITY AND ACTUALLY THE NET RESULT WILL BE A DECREASE SC PROPOSED SUBDIVISION AROUND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AT 3.2 UNITS PER ACRE AND THE PLANNING COMMITTEE COULD ALLOW UP TO FIVE UNITS PER ACRE SO THE BENEFIT WITH THIS CHANGE IS THAT IT HELPS FACILITATE THE EXTRACTION ÃCONSTRUCTION BY CREATING THE CDD WHICH IS A FUNDING MECHANISM AND IT ALLOWS FOR A MORE EFFICIENT DEVELOPMENT PATTERN AND ALSO RECOGNIZES THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION AND WE BELIEVE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LET ME ALSO MENTIONED THAT THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION CONSTRUCTION PLANS WERE SUBMITTED TO THE COUNTY PRIOR TO THE END OF LAST YEAR AS I MENTIONED THE EXTENSION PLANS WERE SUBMITTED TODAY AND FOR FURTHER INFORMATION THE INTERSECTION OF EXISTING 218 AND THE PROPOSED EXTENSION WILL BE AROUND ABOUT A UNIQUE ENTRY FUTURE INTO THE COMMUNITY AND IT WILL INCLUDE THAT RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ENTRANCE TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THAT WILL INCLUDE SIDEWALKS MULTIUSE TRAIL LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING SO WILL BE MORE OF A WALKABLE COMMUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          THEY COULD WALK OR BIKE TO SCHOOL. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON YOUR PROPOSAL CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES KEEP GOING GO FORWARD ONE I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THAT SLIDE IN THERE BECAUSE IT GIVES CONTEXT TO THESE PARCELS BECAUSE ON OUR MAP IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THEY WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE SO THEY MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU SEE THEM IN THAT CONTEXT. 
          ANYONE ELSE? I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. HAVE ONE PERSON. OME ON DOWN. 
          >> I DON'T HAVE A CARD. MARK WANTED 242 BUSH COURT LAKE AS BARRY. AND WE PUT TOGETHER PRETTY GOOD PRESENTATION SHOWING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO BUT MY CONCERN IS IN RELATION TO THE MORATORIUM AND IN THE PAST WE HAVE SEEN PROPOSALS COME IN CHANGING THE USAGE IN THE SIZE AND THE DEFINITION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AND IT ENDED UP BEING A BLANKET CHANGE THAT AFFECTED THE REST OF THE CENTERS AROUND THE AREA IS THIS ALLOWING A SHELL GAME TO OCCUR WHERE YOU ARE ALLOWING INCREASE DENSITIES ON ONE SPOT AND DECREASED DENSITIES ON ANOTHER? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE REASONABLENESS OF THIS PROJECT BUT MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE INCREASING DENSITIES AND DECREASING DENSITIES THAT'S KIND OF A SLIPPERY SLOPE I THINK SO THAT REALLY NEED SOME DISCUSSION AND SOME EXPLANATION BECAUSE WHEN YOU START SAYING WE CAN INCREASE OVER HERE THE NEXT GUYS GOING TO SAY I WANT TO INCREASE OVER THERE AND MAYBE IT'S A BUILDABLE WETLAND OR SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE TRADING OFF. THAT'S MY MAIN CONCERN. 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT ON HIS COMMENT AT ALL ABOUT? THERE HAS BEEN I WOULD SAY WE HAVE BEEN MAKING AN EFFORT TO SQUARE OFF THESE VILLAGE CENTERS BECAUSE WHEN THEY WERE PUT IN PLACE THEY LITERALLY JUST DREW A CIRCLE AND THEY CHOPPED PARCELS UP AND DID SOME OTHER THINGS THIS REQUEST DOESN'T CHANGE ANY DENSITY ANYWHERE YOU MIGHT CALL IT A SHELL GAME BUT WE ARE SAYING 
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YOU TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF FEAR AND PUT IT OVER THERE AND THE ULTIMATE PURPOSE IS TO SQUARE OFF THE VILLAGE CENTER OTHERWISE YOU HAVE TO SQUARE A LOT AND IT HAS TWO DIFFERENT DENSITIES. ANYONE? 
          >> IF I MIGHT YOU DO NEED THE DIFFERENT MOTIONS AND FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE WE ARE JUST ASKING YOU TO APPROVE IT BUT WE HAVE THAT CONDITION FOR THE REZONING IF YOU ADD THAT INTO YOUR MOTION THE APPROVAL OF THE SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENT SINCE THAT CAN'T BE ACCEPTED OR APPROVED UNTIL THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IS APPROVED. 
          SOON IF THIS HAS NO IMPACT ON ANY OTHER VILLAGE CENTERS ANYWHERE. 
          >> IT'S SITE-SPECIFIC. 
          >> I NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AMENDMENT FIRST. 
          TO RECOMMEND IMPROVEMENT I HAVE A MOTION FROM. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] AND A SECOND FROM MR. NORTHERN. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE. OPPOSED? NOW WE NEED TO ACT ON THE ACTUAL REZONING AND ON THIS ONE WE WANT TO ADD A NOTE THAT IT'S CONTINGENT UPON THE LAND USE BEING APPROVED WHICH WILL COME WHEN THE BOARD LOOKS AT IT 
          >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] 
          [4.  Public Hearing to consider REZ 2021-17. (District 5, Comm. Burke) (D. Selig)]
          >> I WILL MOVE ITEM NUMBER FOUR WITH THE CHANGES 
          >> IT'S CONTINGENT ON THE LAND USE. 
          >> SORRY. IT'S GETTING REALLY LATE. 
          IT'S A LONG DAY. 
          >> I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND FAT. ANY FURTHER? ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE. OPPOSED? 
          [6.  Public Hearing to consider PUD 21-08 (District 5, Comm. Burke)(M. Brown)]
NUMBER FIVE WE DID EARLIER SO WE ARE DOWN TO NUMBER SIX A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD 2108 APPLICATION 4.7 ACRES FROM. [INDISCERNIBLE] PUD 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN PUD 21-08 AS YOU INDICATED IS REZONING. 
          THE APPLICANT PLATTE CREEK MARINA LLC ITS PLAT CREEK MARINA WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT ADDRESS. 
          >> >> THIS WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS JANUARY 25 MEETING THE BLACK CREEK MARINA PUD WAS ADOPTED IN 2060 AND IT PROVIDES FOR RESIDENTIAL RESTAURANT MARINA AND COMMERCIAL OUTDOOR RECREATIONAL USE PUD STANDS WITH THE BUYERS 100 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM MAXIMUM OF 750 SQUARE FEET OF NONRESIDENTIAL USE PER DWELLING UNIT THIS IS A TEXT CHANGE THAT RELATES ONLY TO THE 4.7 ACRE NONRESIDENTIAL PORTION AND PRIMARILY DOES THREE THINGS IT ADDS A REQUIREMENT FOR A BUFFER BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL USE AND NONRESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE PROJECT IT ADDS TO THE LIST OF ALLOWABLE RETAIL USE ON THE 4.7 ACRE NONRESIDENTIAL AREA AND ADDS ENTERTAINMENT USE AS ALLOWABLE CONDITION AND THEREFORE .7 ACRE NONRESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          THERE IS A ZONING EXISTING THAT IS PUD AND THIS IS A REQUEST TO 
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MODIFY AND EXPAND THE ALLOWABLE CONDITIONAL USES ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE BLACK CREEK MARINA PUD IT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE USES ALLOWED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DISTRICT STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE CATEGORY AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION AND THE ATTACHED DESCRIPTION TO THE APPLICATION TO ALLOW SOME COMMERCIAL USES IN THAT NON-RESIDENTIAL AREA ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? 
          >> I JUST HAD ONE. I CAN ASK THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY COME UP HERE WE ADDED 5000 SQUARE FEET OF OTHER NONRESIDENTIAL USE AND THAT WE PUT A LIST BACK HERE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OF WHAT THEY ARE AND SO DOES THIS LIST OF USES QUALIFY THAT NONRESIDENTIAL STATEMENT? 
          >> I DIDN'T WANT TO SPEAK OUT OF TURN. 
          I AM CURIOUS, YOU JUST MENTIONED ENTERTAINMENT IN YOUR PRESENTATION. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS CHANGE IS ONE OF THOSE USES SOME TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT? 
          >> IT WAS LISTED IN THE ORIGINAL AND THEY MAY BE ABLE TO GO INTO MORE DETAIL ABOUT THE ORIGINAL PUD HAD REFERENCE TO ENTERTAINMENT USE AND ACTUALLY DEFINES IT IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN WHAT THOSE ARE AND SO IT'S SOMEWHAT CLEANUP IT IS TO 
          FIND IN THE EXISTING PUD >> IF I REMEMBER RIGHT THE ORIGINAL HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MULTI FAMILY AND DENSITY AND NOW IT IS ALL SINGLE-FAMILY AND SO I HAVE A CONCERN AND I WANT TO VOICE IT BEFORE THE APPLICANT COMES UP ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT COULD BE GENERATED AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD THAT'S GREAT IF NOT E WILL LET THE APPLICANT COME UP. 
          >> I KNOW THIS PARCEL VERY WELL THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS. 
          >> IS THAT IT? 
          >> I'M SURE THERE WILL BE MORE TO COME. 
          >> IN ADDITION TO THE CONCERNS I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT TRAFFIC FLOW COMING OFF OF THAT BRIDGE GOING INTO A RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL AND THE PROBLEMS THAT COULD PRESENT ANYONE ELSE? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION AND WHEN YOU START REALLOCATING SQUARE FOOTAGE WE TAKE AWAY 4000 SQUARE FEET FROM A RESTAURANT AREA BUT WE BUILD AN ADDITIONAL ÃWHERE DOES THE SQUARE FEET COME FROM? 
          >> WE WILL HAVE. [INDISCERNIBLE] ADDRESS THAT. 
          GO AHEAD MS. FRAZIER. 
          >> SUSAN FRAZIER. [INDISCERNIBLE] JACKSONVILLE. 
          FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW THIS PROPERTY, THE CARROT WAS DANGLED OUT THERE MANY YEARS AGO FOR AN UPSCALE RESTAURANT WE STARTED OUT THERE WAS DRY STORAGE AND MULTI FAMILY APARTMENTS. THE PUD WAS AMENDED AFTER THE ORIGINAL TO CHANGE TO SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL SO THE CURRENT PUD WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ALLOWS THE ENTERTAINMENT USE SO THAT'S PART OF THE AMENDMENT SO I THINK STAFF IS SAYING IT IS BEING ADDED AND YOU LOOK AT THE WRITTEN STATEMENT AND THIS IS TEXT THAT IS UNDERLINED AND ON 
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PAGE 11 OF THE WRITTEN STATEMENT, CLARIFICATION WAS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONAL BECAUSE IT IS A CONDITION USE IS PERMITTED AND IT SAYS ANYWHERE AND I WOULD OFFER TO YOU THAT IS AN ERROR SO IT'S PERMITTED WITHIN THE 4.7 ACRE PARCEL AT THE TEXT BELOW IS CURRENTLY IN THE PUD ENTERTAINMENT YOU SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THE SITE PLAN IT'S ALWAYS BEEN ON THE SITE PLAN AND HAS A LOCATION IT CAN INCLUDE AMPLIFIED SOUND HOWEVER ANY THAT CAN BE USED ON THE LIMITS OF THE SEATING AREA SHOULD ONLY ORIGINATE FROM INTERIOR LOCATION ONLY OPEN TO THE NORTH IF YOU KNOW THE SITE, CAN YOU PUT UP THE SITE PLAN? TO THE NORTH IS A VERY LARGE WETLAND AREA WHERE THE COUNTY HAS ITS ÃKIND OF THING AND ONLY SHALL RETAIN THIS IS ONLY OPEN SO YOU HAVE THE NOISE CAN'T GO EVERYWHERE ONLY OPEN TO THE NORTH OR TO THE EAST BECAUSE IT'S US 17 IS AN ELEVATED BRIDGE SO WE HAVE AN ABATEMENT WHERE THE NOISE WOULD BE WEST AND SOUTH WALLS MUST BE FULLY ENCLOSED AMPLIFIED SOUND SHOULD BE DIRECTED FROM THE EAST OR THE NORTH AND COULD ONLY BE HEARD BEYOND THE LIMITS OF THE SEATING AREA BETWEEN SEVEN AND MIDNIGHT I WILL TELL YOU WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN THIS WAS GOING TO BE A VERY LARGE RESTAURANT WITH A LOT OF OUTDOOR SEATING AND THIS WAS ALMOST SEEN AS A VENUE SITE THERE IS SEO ARE USED WHICH IS OUTDOOR RECREATION USE WE HAD CLIMBING WALLS AND ZIP LINES THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE COOLEST THING EVER. 
          THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AT THE MARKET FOR THAT IS EVEN LESS WITH COVID THIS SAYS DOWNSIZE THE RESTAURANT SAYS 10,000 AND WE HAVE SITE PLANS AND A RESTAURANT UNDER CONTRACT AND IT'S REDUCED TO 9000 WITHOUT ANY HARM AND WE SPLIT THAT INTO YOU KNOW THE RESTAURANT IS SMALLER NOT 14,000 SO THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM AND UP UNTIL ABOUT A WEEK AGO THE 5000 SQUARE-FOOT INITIAL USE, DO YOU HAVE MY SITE PLAN? THE PUD SITE PLAN? 
          >> I APOLOGIZE I DON'T HAVE THIS. 
          >> IS IT IN YOUR PACKET? 
          >> SO EVERYTHING IS EXACTLY WHAT'S IN HERE TODAY EXCEPT FOR THAT OTHER NONRESIDENTIAL USE THE RESTAURANT IS SMALLER THE FAMILY AREA AND THIS IS ALREADY APPROVED IN THIS PUD CIVIL AND THE RESTAURANT GOT SMALLER THERE WAS A LOT OF PARKING AVAILABLE SO THERE WAS LAND AVAILABLE TO HAVE A SMALL OUT PARCEL USE THE ACCESS IS OFF OF BALL ROAD THE LOCATION IS IN THE APPROVED PUD IT HAS NOT CHANGED SO THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL ACCESS FOR THIS USE IT WOULD ALSO ACCESS A NONRESIDENTIAL PARCEL FROM THE LOCATION WHERE IT'S CURRENTLY APPROVED SO IF YOU HAD THIS THE ONLY THING THAT'S DIFFERENT IS THAT. THAT LITTLE BOX IN THE CORNER. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE IS EXACTLY THE SAME. 
          SO THE SLIPS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION THE ENTERTAINMENT USE IS HERE TUCKED UP AGAINST THE BRIDGE AND BLACK CREEK AND THIS IS ALL VEGETATIVE AREA THIS PART OF THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT ALONG THE SHORELINE THERE'S A BUFFER AREA SO ALL OF 
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THIS IS THAT EFFECTIVE AT ALL THE PARKING LOT LOOKS THE SAME VICIOUS THIS USE HERE. SO THE ACCESS THE TRIP GENERATION RATES AND THEY SIT DOWN RESTAURANT IS GREATER THAN 9000 SQUARE FEET OF RESTAURANT AND 5000 SQUARE FEET OF SOMETHING ELSE. THE SAME OR FEWER TROOPS WOULD ENTER AND EXIT AND SAME TRIP GENERATION AND THE SAME ON BLACK CREEK AND THIS IS THE ONLY ADDITION AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR CLARITY ON A WRITTEN STATEMENT ON PAGE 11 THAT THE WORD ANYWHERE BE STRICKEN AND THE NONRESIDENTIAL USE PERMITTED IN THE PARCEL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS ALL OF THIS TEXT THAT EXISTS TODAY IN THE PUD FOR WHAT IT IS AND HOW LOUD IT IS AND WHAT IT CAN OPERATE THE CHARACTER OF THIS RESTAURANT AND I CAN TELL YOU THE BUYER IS MOJO RESTAURANT IS NOT A BARBECUE IT'S A SEAFOOD RESTAURANT HAS A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE THIS LANDOWNER POTENTIAL RESTAURANT OPERATORS MOST DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT EXPERIENCE AS MANY OF YOU KNOW RESTAURANTS OPEN AND CLOSE WITH FREQUENCY AND SO THEY DID QUITE A BIT OF DUE DILIGENCE SO THEIR EXPERIENCES THEIR DEPTH OF FINANCE ROLE RESOURCES AND SO THIS IS SEEN AS IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BIG TRACTION RESTAURANT IS GOING TO BE AT AREA FOR PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND TO COME THE MUSIC IS GOING TO BE ACOUSTIC GUITAR AND BEFORE THERE WAS AN IDEA THERE WOULD BE SOMETHING BIGGER. SO WE THINK THIS IS A POSITIVE THING FOR CLAY COUNTY WE HAVE ALMOST 0 INDEPENDENT RESTAURANTS AND WATERFRONT ACCESS SO THERE'S AREAS FOR FAMILIES TO, HALF CASUAL EATING AND BE OUTSIDE THERE WILL BE BOAT DOCKS ASSIGNED TO THE RESTAURANT THERE WILL BE DAY DOCS FOR THE RESTAURANT ACCESS SOME OF THOSE ARE ASSIGNED TO RESIDENTIAL USE ON THEIR PERMANENT FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT SUBDIVISION WE ARE JUST EXCITED THERE'S A RESTAURANT COMING BECAUSE FOR A GOOD 10 YEARS WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PRODUCE SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND IF THERE'S ANY CLARIFICATION AGAIN THE GOAL IS TO HAVE SQUARE FOOTAGE AS TO WHAT IS APPROVED TODAY AND JUST BECAUSE OF THE REDUCTION IN THE RESTAURANT SIZE ALLOWING MORE USE. 
          >> MR. CHAIR IF I MAY. SO I AM IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S A GREAT SITE FOR A RESTAURANT. I THINK RICK WOOD WAS THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER AND HIS VISION WAS AWESOME I WAS EXCITED WHEN I FIRST SAW IT AND WITH THAT BEING SAID I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I REMEMBER THERE WAS AN ACTIVE BALD EAGLE SITE A BALD EAGLES NEST ON THAT SITE AND I AM CURIOUS IF IT IS STILL ACTIVE. 
          >> IT IS NOT THAT NEST BLEW DOWN AND THEY TOOK RESIDENCY ON THE GIRL SCOUT CAMP SITE. SO THEY JUST MOVED IMMEDIATELY TO THE LEFT. 
          >> AND SO THE LIFT STATION ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT PARKING LOT DOES THAT CONVEY THIS PROPERTY OR WAS THAT PART OF THE HOUSING PROPERTY IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S CUT OUT? 
          >> SO THE FEE OWNERSHIP IS WHAT YOU SEE IN THIS APPLICATION AND I'M SORRY THAT FEE IS ACTUALLY GREEN COAST SPRINGS BECAUSE IT ALSO LIFT STATION SITE AND I WROTE THE LETTER SOMEONE WENT TO THE CITY AND THAT IS THAT CUT OUT IN THAT LOCATION STREAM 
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IF THAT MAKES SENSE AND I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY THERE IS NO PUBLIC OVERNIGHT DOCKING. STREAM OF THE CONCERN I HAVE REDUCING THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE RESTAURANT THAT'S A BUSINESS DECISION BUT MY CONCERN IS THE OTHER AND WHAT THE OTHER IS THAT THIS IS THE FIRST THING YOU SEE AS YOU CROSS FLEMING ISLAND AND IF THE RESTAURANT IS DONE NICELY THAT'S A NICE WINDOW BUT THE OTHER IS I WOULD LIKE TO GET MORE CLARITY ON THE INTENDED USE. 
          IS IT A STUCCO STRIP CENTER THAT'S OPEN FOR TENANTS TO COME IN AND RENTS, NAIL SALONS, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? 
          >> IF IT WERE THAT BIG, IT'S HALF AN ACRE THERE'S A 25 FOOT VEGETATIVE BUFFER REQUIRED AND WE ARE THINKING FAST FOOD. 
          WE'RE THINKING IT'S A SIX LANE HIGHWAY. 
          THERE'S LITTLE FAST FOOD OPPORTUNITIES THE FAST FOOD REPPERT ÃRESTAURANTS THAT WERE APPROVED HAVE ALL LEFT THEY HAD VACATED THOSE CONTRACTS THAT THERE IS GREAT INTEREST FOR THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND IT'S GOING TO BE A DRIVE-THROUGH OPERATION IS WHAT WE THINK IT WILL END UP BEING. 
          THERE WERE OTHER USES BECAUSE NO ONE HAS A SIGNED CONTRACT BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I SAW A DEPENDENT BIKE SHOP SHOW UP IT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A STRIP CENTER AND STORM WATER FOR THIS SITE IS IN THE POND IS IN THE RESIDENTIAL'S FULLY DEVELOPABLE 4.7 ACRES BUT ALL THAT PARKING IS NEEDED SO THAT WILL END UP BEING YOU WILL CIRCULATE THROUGH THE SITE AND COME BACK OUT SO THE IMPROVEMENTS ACCOMMODATE THE TRAFFIC FOR THE GIRL SCOUT CAMP AND FOR THIS THE DEVELOPER IS PART OF THIS AND THEY DID ALL OF THE PERMITTING AND IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RESTAURANT USE WAS ON THE PERMIT THAT THEY ISSUED. 
          >> IT LOOKS LIKE IT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO THE BRIDGE AND ALL THE WAY TO BALL ROAD. HOW BIG OF A BUFFER IS THAT? IS THAT A 15 FOOT? 
          >> IT'S A 25 FOOT WITH STOPS TO WHERE THE BUFFER IS OBSCURED. 
          OKAY. IT'S 30 INCHES. 
          >> AND THAT IS THE TIME OF PLANTING AND THUS THE STANDARD COUNTY CODE 25 FOOT IS WIDER AND 
          >> ANYONE ELSE? I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I'M SORY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THAT LITTLE PIECE, WHERE DID THIS LIST OF RETAIL USE COME FROM? 
          >> IT CAME FROM USE IN THE COUNTY'S CODE STRUCK IT'S FUNNY THAT YOU MENTIONED DRIVE-IN RESTAURANTS BECAUSE NOTHING I UNDERLINE, WHY DO WE WANT ANY DRIVE-INS? THIS SHOULD BE A DESTINATION NOT A LOOP THROUGH AND WE HAVE DRY CLEANERS AND DRIVE-INS BANKS AND THAT KIND OF THING THIS LIST IS AGAIN, I SAID EARLIER TONIGHT RAY GOING TO END UP WITH THE STRIP CENTER AND 
          >> IT WILL VERY HONESTLY BE A FREESTANDING SINGLE USE THIS IS A LIST OF USES YOU HEARD ME SAY THE CLAY COUNTY ZONING CODE IS 
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UNIQUE. MANY ZONING CODES SAY RETAIL COMMERCIAL AND SO IN YOUR HEAD YOU COULD PUT THOSE TO THE PROPERTY OF THE CLAY COUNTY DOESN'T SAY THAT CLAY COUNTY SAYS YOU CAN SELL EARRINGS BUT YOU CAN'T SELL RINGS. 
          YOU CAN SELL CURIOS BUT YOU CAN'T SELL TOBACCO. 
          THIS IS THIS KIND OF LIST. YOU CAN HAVE A BAKERY WITH BAKING ON PREMISE AND BICYCLE SALES THIS IS VERBATIM AND US ONLY PLACE THAT I KNOW THAT GETS DOWN TO THE COLOR OF THE SHOES YOU CAN SELL LISTED IN YOUR CODE AND IS NOT LISTED IT'S NOT PERMITTED BECAUSE THE LAST SECTION OF EVERY ZONING CODE SAID ANY USE NOT SPECIFICALLY LISTED. 
          SO AS WE HAVE FOUND THINGS ARE CHANGING IN THE WORLD YOU ARE DOING THIS AND THINKING WOW. THIS ISNEVER BEEN CONTEMPLATED AND EVERY ZONING EVER SEE FROM ME HAS A WALKING LIST AS LONG AS YOUR ARM THIS IS WHAT CLAY COUNTY THINKS IS THE SAME 
          INTENSITY. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT BUT I WOULD SAY THIS IS A PUD THAT GIVES YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE FAR MORE SPECIFIC AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. 
          >> THE LANDOWNER DOESN'T HAVE A CONTRACT SO IT HAS TAKEN A LONG TIME AND HE WOULD HATE FOR THAT BICYCLE REPAIR SHOP TO ARRIVE TOMORROW AND RIGHT NOW HIS PUD SAID HE CAN'T SPECIFICALLY HAVE THAT I AGREE IF HE HAD IT HE WOULD SHOW THEM TO YOU. 
          I AM TELLING YOU WHAT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BECAUSE A SIX LANE HIGHWAY AND WE ARE RETICENT TO KICK OUT ANYTHING THAT THEY LISTEN ÃLIST AS CONSISTENT USE IN THIS IS THE SAME INTENSITY AND IF I HAD THIS, THIS IS A LIST I WOULD HAVE SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY I AM GOING TO GUARANTEE IT WON'T BE A BIKE SHOP BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IF THE COUNTY SAID I COULD HAVE A DRAPERY STORE IS SAYS I CAN HAVE A BIKE SHOP MY FRUSTRATION IS I JUST DON'T HAVE 
          >> HOW MANY SHOPS CAN YOU GET IN 5000 SQUARE FEET? 
          >> YOU CAN PUT FIVE 1000 SQUARE-FOOT TRUNKS 
          >> I THINK I DON'T LIKE MOST IS THE DRIVE-IN THE IDEA THAT CARS ARE LOOPING THROUGH THIS THING ALL DAY THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING SO ANYONE ELSE? I DO NEED TO OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT WE CAN COME BACK TO THIS. 
          I DON'T SEE ANYBODY I WILL BRING IT BACK 
          >> I HAVE A COMMENT I AGREE WITH ÃNOISE ALWAYS BOTHERS ME AND I THINK PART OF IT IS WHEN THEY BUILT ÃON THE OTHER SIDE WHERE I LIVE I CAN STILL HEAR IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE CONTAINED AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T HAVE AN UPSCALE RESTAURANT WITHOUT ANY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO COMING OUT THE WINDOWS OUTSIDE THE RESTAURANT. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. 
          >> THE ONLY THING I THINK I HEARD THAT I WILL JUST ADD TO THAT OF COURSE I AGREE BACKING UP TO SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES FOLKS ARE OUT HAVING A BARBECUE OR WHATEVER AND THEY HAVE THAT ABILITY RIGHT NOW IS MY UNDERSTANDING SO AS MUCH AS I AGREE WITH YOU I DON'T THINK THAT'S ON THE TABLE. 
          >> I'M NOT ASKING IT TO BE ON THE TABLE I'M JUST MAKING A STATEMENT MOVING FORWARD. WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT? 
          >> STILL LOOKING FOR MOTION? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE >> SO YOU MADE A MOTION YOU 
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NEED TO AMEND IT PLEASE TO SAY THAT ON PAGE 11 OF THE WRITTEN STATEMENT WE WANT TO STRIKE THE WORD ANYWHERE THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LINE NUMBER IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING SUBPARAGRAPH 4. 
          >> WHAT IS IT? 
          >> PAGE 11 >> HOURS THIS NUMBER 
          DIFFERENTLY. >> YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE. 
          >> THIS IS THE WRITTEN STATEMENT WE WILL FIX THAT. 
          >> IT'S ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE. 
          SAFECO SAYS THE FOLLOWING CONDITION NONRESIDENTIAL USE IS PERMITTED ANYWHERE WITHIN THE 4.7 ACRE WE ARE STRIKING ANYWHERE WE ARE JUST SAYING ACRES ERMITTED WITH THE 4.7 - 
          >> IT SHALL BE LIMITED TO GENERAL LOCATION SO THAT WAS CONFLICTING. 
          >> WE WILL JUST STRIKE THAT WORD OUT. 
          >> IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE THERE 
          >> I WILL HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? 
          >> EVERYONE IN SUPPORT? 
          >> SO YOU WERE A GUESTS AND YOU WERE A NOW?O I SAID YES BUT I THINK I'M GOING TO SWITCH IT. 
          >> NO PREMISE BRIDGEWATER. I AM NO. 
          YES FROM MR. ÃFOR THE OTHER 2. DID YOU GET THAT? I NEED TO DO IT AGAIN? SO IT ACTUALLY PASSES 4-3. 
          >> NOBODY CAN ACCUSE US OF BEING.INDISCERNIBLE] 
          >> OKAY. WE SAT WE HAVE FINISHED THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WE DO HAVE FINAL COMMENTS. 
          [Old Business/New Business]
BUT WE ARE GOING TO GET THAT NEW BUSINESS. 
          I GOT IT COURTNEY. I DIDN'T WANT TO TELL THEM THAT. 
          >> >> I JUST WANT TO GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY ANYONE HERE FOR THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENTS? DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY COME ON UP WE HAVE A LITTLE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK TO DO. 
          >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] 2.2 BUSH COURT. 
          I WANT TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION YOU HAD EARLIER IT'S GOING TO BE COMING BACK AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE THE STATE WILL NOT TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND THEY WILL TELL YOU OF THESE TO BE FIXED AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF DOCUMENT THEY HAVE MY CONVERSATIONS ARE IN CONFLICT WITH WHAT THEY'RE SAYING SO THAT IS A QUESTION IN MY MIND IF THAT IF THEY UNDERSTAND IT OR NOT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS UNIQUE AND IS NOT JUST THE AREA BUT WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SOME FARMLAND THAT I THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE THE CONSIDERATION THE STAFF HAS TO LOOK AT THINGS IN BLACK-AND-WHITE OTHERS A LOT A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY AND IN TERMS OF HOW IT HAS A GREATER EFFECT AND THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS ANYTHING IS GOING TO HAVE A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN GOOD CONDITION AT ANYTHING THEY DO WILL AFFECT THAT THE STORM WATER RUNOFF IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM AND OF THE WATER COMING IN FROM AROUND THE COUNTY INTO THAT AREA IS A PROBLEM. THE COMPANY IS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL DESPITE WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAID.ND IF I WAS TO BUILD A HOUSE OUT OF THE COUNTRY LET ME HAVE A SEPTIC 
          [03:35:02]
TANK BUT IF I WAS TO BUILD 52 A COUPLE HUNDRED TO ALLOW SEPTIC TANKS WITH THE REQUIRED Ã2030 COMING DOWN THE ROAD THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED ALL YOU ARE DOING IS PASSING THAT COST AND THEY ARE NOT AWARE THEY ARE GOING TO BE HIT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL COST AND I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO BE AFRAID OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN AND THE WAY THERE WAS A PICTURE PAINTED IF YOU DON'T DO THIS THIS BAD THING IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WE STILL HAVE THE SAME POWER AND YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT'S WILLING TO STAND UP AND SAY WE WANT THINGS TO BE DONE RIGHT. WE ARE NOT ANTI-ANYTHING THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS UNIQUE AND A SPECIFIC PURPOSE FOR A LONG TIME TO JUST SAY IT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY AND YOU SLAP A BUNCH OF HOMES ON IT IT'S DISINGENUOUS AND NOT REALLY REFLECTING THE NATURE OF THE COMMUNITY IF THEY WERE COMING IN AND SAYING WE WANT TO PUT THREE HOMES ON THAT PROPERTY AND WE WANT TO JOIN IN TO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION BUT THAT'S NOT THE CONVERSATION THAT'S BEING HAD. WE WANT TO DEVELOP THIS LAND WE WANT TO MAXIMIZE OUR PROFITS AND GO OUT AND DO SOMETHING ELSE AND IT'S A BUSINESS DECISION BUT WE NEED TO LOOK OUT AT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY DOWN THE ROAD THERE'S GOING TO BE NEW RESIDENTS COMING IN AND THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO LET BAD PRACTICES OF THE PAST AFFECT US AND CLOUD OUR DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD AND ACCEPT THE STAKES ÃMISTAKES MADE IN THE PAST AND DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY AND YOU WILL HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY SO I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE WILLING TO PARTNER WAS A TEAM EFFORT IN THEIR EFFORTS AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT BUT FRANKLY FOR EIGHT TO $10 MILLION OR WHATEVER NUMBER THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE HAD UNLESS THEY ARE BEING PHILANTHROPIC AND DROP THEIR PRICE. IS THERE ANOTHER SOLUTION? POSSIBLY. ADD ALL OF THESE IS HOW IT DOES IT AFFECT THAT COMMUNITY AND NOT JUST WORRY ABOUT THE BOOGIE MAN DOWN THE STREET. 
          >> THANK YOU WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          >> LET ME CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          >> I JUST WANT TO KNOW IS JOE KEEPINGUS LATE? 
          >> I AM THINKING ANY DEVELOPER IS GOING TO BUILD ONE HOUSE ON A TWO ACRE LOT IS GOING TO BUILD A 2000 SQUARE-FOOT HOME IN THAT PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE BEAUTY AND THE LAKES AND EVERYTHING ELSE A CUSTOM BUILDER WILL COME IN THERE AND BUILD SOME BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND RAISE THE VALUE OF THOSE PROPERTIES. THAT WILL BE MY GUESS. 
          >> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AS A VOLUNTEER CITIZENS VOICING YOUR CONCERN. LOOK HOW MANY OTHERS ARE HERE. 
          FOR THE WHOLE MEETING. 
          >> I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE WHAT THEY THINK IT'S GOING TO BE IF THAT HAPPENS. 
          >> WE HAVE SOME ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP UNDER NEW BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE GET OUT OF 
          HERE >> I SAY MOVED TO ADJOURN. 
          >> THE FIRST ONE, I WILL LET YOU TALK ABOUT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NO RICH PACKAGE. 
          >> WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PATIENT WITH US A COUPLE OF MORE MINUTES KELLY IS ABOUT TO BE OUT ON MATERNITY LEAVE FOR A LITTLE WHILE AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO EDUCATE OTHER STAFF TO MAKE SURE STUFF GETS DONE CORRECTLY BUT I AM SURE THERE ARE MANY THINGS WE WILL BE MISSING WHILE SHE IS GONE BUT PART OF THAT IS SHE IS VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE PACKETS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE THAT, THE PAPER PACKETS AND WITH THE STAFF CONSTRAINTS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS WE WILL RUN A TEST WHILE SHE IS GONE AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THE PAPER PACKETS. SO I HAD NOT REALLY GIVING YOU THAT OPTION SO SORRY. I DO THINK IT WILL BE A GOOD 
          [03:40:01]
TEST AND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO GET PAPER PACKETS AFTER SHE COMES BACK IN SIX WEEKS FOR THE APRIL MEETING IF YOU DECIDE I WANT PAPER PACKETS WE CAN GO BACK TO THAT BUT I THINK THIS IS A GOOD TEST I THINK WE ARE THE ONLY COMMITTEE LEFT THAT THIS PAPER PACKETS SO LET'S GIVE IT A SHOT. 
          EXPENSIVE PAPER PACKETS. AND TIME CONSUMING PAPER PACKETS. WE HAVE TO PHYSICALLY JUST BECAUSE OF ALL THE MOVING PARTS OF THE TIMES THAT THE ITEMS COME IN WE HAVE TO, BY HAND, ON THE TABLE, SO THERAPIST PACKETS TOGETHER. 
          >> TELL ME WHAT YOU PROPOSE FOR US TO HAVE US REFERENCED DURING THE MEETING, THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN. 
          I WANT THAT MAP TO LOOK AT. THERE IS AN EXAMPLE TONIGHT WHERE WE ARE LOOKING FOR WHAT A BUFFER WAS IN THERE. 
          THERE IS WORDING IN THESE THINGS. 
          >> SO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WHAT'S HIS NAME, EAU CLAIRE, HE BRINGS HIS IPAD AND THE OTHER GENTLEMEN THEY DO WHAT OFF OF THEIR PHONE AND THEN ONE GUY PRINTS OUT CERTAIN STUFF ON HIS OWN. 
          >> SO WE CAN BRING A LAPTOP. 
          >> IF YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT THE BOARD PROVIDING COMPUTERS 
          >> THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST. 
          >> THEY DO IT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS 
          >> HERE IS WHAT WE WILL DO UNLESS YOU TELL US DIFFERENT THOSE OF THE THINGS WE CAN TALK ABOUT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS WE WILL PLAN ON GOING AHEAD AND GETTING WITH THE IT GROUP TO HAVE LAPTOP SITTING ON THEIR READY TO ROLL READY TO GO YOU HAVE TO START CLICKING ON STAFF AND IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH LET'S HAVE CONVERSATION. 
          >> I THINK I WOULD BE OKAY TO TRY THAT BUT I KNOW MR. BERET WRITES MORE STUFF IN HIS BOOK THAN I DO AND 
          >> THIS IS A TRIAL. WE ARE GOING TO GIVE SOMETHING NEW A TRY. 
          >> DO YOU KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONERS WITH THEIR LAPTOPS I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT THE NAME OF THAT SOFTWARE IS WE COULD PUT STICKY NOTES ON IT. 
          >> HE IS PRETTY GOOD WITH THAT. HE PUTS NOTES IN HIS PRE- 
          >> IF IT'S A WORD DOCUMENT. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY ARE ON HIS THING. 
          >> I THINK WHEN THEY GIVE THEM ACCESS. 
          >> I THINK IF YOU WANTED TO COME IN INDIVIDUALLY AND WE HAVE SOMETHING SET UP WHERE YOU DO SOME PRACTICE WITH THAT 
          AHEAD OF THAT MEETING >> I THINK THE ISSUE FOR ME IS I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CIRCLE THINGS AND I COULD WRITE STUFF ON A PAD OF PAPER BUT I HAVE SOME REFERENCE IF I COULD HAVE AN ELECTRONIC METHOD PUTTING A STICKY ON THE SCREEN 
          >> I WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE IT DEPARTMENT. 
          >> WHAT I WOULD ASK IS THEY HAVE TO CREATE A FILE GIVE US 
          THE DOCUMENTS AND >> WHEN WE COME IN HERE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IT UP AND IT HAS NOTES ON IT AND THAT WAY WE HAVE A CHANCE AHEAD OF TIME TO EDIT IT WITH OUR COMMENTS ON IT AND JUST CALL IT UP. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT AND I WOULD BE HESITANT TO BRING IN MY PERSONAL LAPTOP IF IT WAS SUBJECT TO PUBLIC 
          DISCLOSURE >> IF YOU ARE GOING TO SUPPLY A TABLET. 
          >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT 
          >> THEY WILL SEND A DOCUMENT TO YOU YOU CAN EDIT THAT DOCUMENT LOADED UP AND THEN WE COME IN YOU'RE GOING TO PULL THAT DOCUMENT UP. 
          >> YOU CAN ADD IT AT A HOME Ã HOME WITH YOUR OWN COMPUTER 
          >> YOU WOULD EDIT IT ONLINE. 
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          >> PUT IT ON A THUMB DRIVE >> NO. 
          >> I THINK IT'S THROUGH THE SYSTEM STORES IT. 
          >> IF WE DOWNLOAD THAT INTO OUR COMPUTERS AND WE WANT TO UPLOAD IT AGAIN DOESN'T THAT MAKE OUR COMPUTERS SUBJECT? 
          >> IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS USING YOUR COUNTY EMAIL ADDRESS. 
          >> WE WOULD BE DOING THIS ON THE COUNTY SERVER SO WE WOULD 
          NOT HAVE ACCESS TO DOWNLOAD IT >> I AM SURE YOU COULD PROBABLY DOWNLOAD IT. 
          >> I KIND OF AGREE WITH IT THE SAME THING WITH THE EMAIL WE CAN FORWARD THE EMAIL THROUGH A FORWARDING PROCESS BUT IF WE DIRECTLY TAKE IT ONTO THE COMPUTER. 
          >> THAT'S THE POINT. THAT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU DECIDE TO DO THAT BUT IF YOU DO IT ON THE COUNTY SERVER, THAT'S FOR YOU SHOULD SAVE IT. 
          >> BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE SURE WITH IT THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          >> I DON'T WANT TO DOWNLOAD ANYTHING ONTO MY COMPUTER. 
          >> YOU CAN STILL ACCESS IT. 
          >> I WOULDN'T PUT ANY PERSONAL STUFF. 
          >> AGREED. 
          >> SO ONE COULD SAY THE COUNTY IS IN THE CLOUD. 
          >> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          >> I AM WILLING TO TRY BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT I MADE A ONE HOUR ROUND-TRIP EVERY MONTH TO GET THESE PACKAGES AND I DON'T HAVE A LAPTOP I DON'T HAVE A GOOD IPAD AND IF THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO I WANT TO BE PREPARED TO DO IT I FEEL LIKE A LOT OF MY EFFECTIVENESS IS THE TIME THAT I SPENT WITH THESE PACKETS AND THE NOTES I MAKE IT I'M GOING TO NEED SOME TRAINING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THOSE NOTES IN THE INS AND OUTS OF HOW TO DOWNLOAD IT AND I GOING TO NEED SOME HELP. 
          >> WE'VE GOT YOU COVERED. OUR GOALS TO HAVE THE PACKAGE 
          READY TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE >> THAT LEADS TO THE NEXT ISSUE. 
          >> THE NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 1 AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THIS TRAINING OR ONE-ON-ONE IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS, NOT A WEEK BEFORE WE ARE GOING TO GET IN HERE WE NEED TO BE COMFORTABLE WITH IT WHEN WE GET OUR PACKET AND I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF 
          STUFF YOU CAN DO ONLINE AND >> CAN I INTERJECT? YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT GOING LIVE NEXT MONTH AT THE NEXT MEETING MR. BROWN TOLD ME EARLIER OUR WORKLOAD TONIGHT 
          >> THAT'S THE NEXT ISSUE. 
          >> YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT ADDITIONAL WORK AROUND LAPTOPS 
          AND IPADS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT >> THAT'S WHY THE GOAL IS TO GET IT TO YOU TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME. 
          >> DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT MEETING WHICH IS FEBRUARY 1, DAY ONE. 
          >> SO THE OTHER THING WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS IS THERE'S A TON OF ITEMS ON THE PLANNING AGENDA, MINIMALLY 12. 
          SO OUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE ONE OF TWO THINGS AND THIS IS WHY WE ARE ASKING IT NOW BECAUSE I KNOW MANY OF YOU HAVE DAY JOBS ARE SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO START THAT MEETING AT 4 PM AND NOT 7 PM IF THAT IS NOT AN OPTION WE WILL START AT SEVEN I WILL BE SITTING HERE AT 2 AM AND WE COULD ALSO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT MEETINGS AND WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THE PEASIEST IS TO START THREE HOUR EARLIER THAT DAY SO WE DO NEED TO KNOW THAT TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR ADVERTISING OUT EARLY NEXT WEEK AND THAT IS PART OF THAT TIME THE MEETING 
          [03:50:06]
STARTS SO I THINK IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS 
          >> IF WE DO TWO MEETINGS I BELIEVE OUR NEXT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING IS ON A THURSDAY NIGHT SO THAT DOES CONFLICT WITH THE SCHEDULE. 
          >> TO ME IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE I DO HAVE A DAY JOB BUT I CAN ALSO JUST LEAVE IF I HAVE TO AND I DON'T, I'M NOT ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE I'M NEVER IN BED BY THIS TIME OF NIGHT ANYWAY AND I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THE 2:30 AM MEETINGS. 
          SO I AM FLEXIBLE BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING IS A BAD IDEA AS HAVING IT ON TWO DIFFERENT DAYS AND I THINK THAT OPENS UP TOO MUCH CONFUSION FOR TRYING TO DO ADVERTISING. 
          WE NEED THE FIRST TUESDAY OF THE MONTH SO IF 4 PM IS TOO EARLY WE WILL DO FIVE OR SIX OR MAYBE START A LITTLE EARLIER THAT DAY. 
          >> I WOULD REQUEST SOME COFFEE. 
          >> I WONDER ABOUT A DINNER BREAK BECAUSE I AM FINE WITH STARTING AT FOUR OR WHATEVER. 
          >> DO YOU THINK WE COULD GET A PIZZA OR SOMETHING SO WHAT WOULD BE THE EARLIEST YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH? 
          >> I'M OKAY WITH TWO. 
          >> YOU ARE RETIRED. SOME OF US HAVE TO WORK VERY 
          >> I WOULD BE OKAY WITH 4 PM. 
          >> I MIGHT BE A LITTLE LATE. 
          >> THAT'S NOT UNUSUAL. 
          >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] 
          >> THAT WILL BE TUESDAY OUR REGULAR MEETING. 
          CHRISTINE, ANY ISSUE FOR YOU TO GET OVER EARLY? ALL RIGHT. THERE'S YOUR ANSWER. 
          SCHEDULE IT FOR 4 PM NEXT MONTH YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEND US A COUPLE OF REMINDERS. ANYTHING ELSE? 
          >> SO THE ISSUES WE DISCUSSED WITH THE REINHOLD PROPERTY WAS THINGS AROUND THE SCHOOL AREA WE DIDN'T GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY 
          TO COMMENT >> THEY NEED TO JUMP IN. 
          >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] 
          >> I HAVE DONE A STUDY ON THAT DEVELOPMENT OF THE 720 HOMES GO AROUND THERE THE ONLY THING THAT CONCERNS ME IS THE 218 EXTENSION AND WE ARE HAVING BUSES COMING IN AND OUT OF THERE ALL THE TIME AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WE OWN SOME OF THAT ROADWAY AND IF THAT 218 IS CROSSING RIGHT THERE AND THE BUS LOOP IS RIGHT THERE GOING OUT TO 218 BY THAT ROUNDABOUT REINHOLD DID COME IN AND DO A WHOLE PRESENTATION FOR US, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN IS HOW THAT TRAFFIC, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE THAT TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION? 
          >> TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON. 
          >> >> YOU HAVE TO TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON WHEN YOU TALK GREAT 
          >> THE TRANSPORTATION COUNTY ROAD SO YOU NEED TO BRING THAT UP BECAUSE OF THAT'S GOING TO BE A MAJOR THING THAT ULTIMATELY THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE THAT TO THE TPO 
          >> AND YOU BRING IT UP IN OUR MEETING THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE HERE FOR. WE DON'T DO IT ANYMORE BUT WE USE TO APPROVE PLAQUES WHICH WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE AND I'M TRYING TO THINK WHO WAS ON THAT CUL-DE-SAC IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR A SCHOOL BUS TO TURN AROUND AND SO ANYTHING THAT AFFECTS THE SCHOOLS, WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT. 
          >> WHO IS RUNNING THAT? STREAM OF THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHO WAS RUNNING IT? 
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          >> TRANSPORTATION. 
          >> THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE TPO THE COUNTY HAS ONE IN EVERY COUNTY THE FOUR COUNTIES NASSAU, DUVALL, CLAY, ST. JOHN'S, THEY HAVE THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. 
          I WAS ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE TPO. 
          YOU HAVE TAKEN IT? OKAY. 
          THAT'S THE COORDINATION FOR THE ROADS THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE IN THE FUNDING FOR THAT ULTIMATELY IF THEY PUT THEM UP AND THEY NEED SOME MORE THAN THAT'S GOTTA BE REQUESTED THROUGH THE TIP. 
          >> ARE YOU DONE? HOW ABOUT YOU COURTNEY? ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO KEEP US
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.