SPECIAL STAFF RECOGNITION

[13. Clay County Public School Concurrency Proportionate Share Mitigation Agreement between the School Board of Clay County, Florida, Reinhold Corporation, Inc., Peters Creek Investments, LLP, and Clay County]

ALL OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0. >> NUMBER 15.

>> SUSAN FRASER IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS. BUT IT IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND REINHOLD IN WHICH THE COUNTY IS A PARTY BECAUSE OF OUR MANAGEMENT ORDINANCE FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD. I BELIEVE SUSAN IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> GOOD EVENING, I LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE. THIS IS PART OF THE MOVED TO ABANDON THE SARATOGA SPRINGS DRI. .OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE 77 ACRES FOR SCHOOL SITES WITHIN THE DRI. THIS AGREEMENT AS WE GO TO ABANDON IT IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY MAKE SURE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RECEIVES THE PROPERTY THAT HAS BEEN OBLIGATED ALREADY.

EACH OF YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE AGREEMENT. IN DOING THIS WORK WE ACTUALLY SAID THE DRI WAS APPROVED 15 YEARS AGO AND PERHAPS THOSE SCHOOLS THAT YOU HAVE ARE NOT WHAT YOU NEED TODAY AND NOT IN THE LOCATION WHERE YOU WANT THEM.

WITH THAT, THEY IDENTIFIED A NEED NOT FOR A JUNIOR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOL.

THERE WILL BE A HIGH SCHOOL ON THIS PROPERTY. THEY HAD PREVIOUS SITES ON THE FCC. THAT WILL BE THE ARTERIAL ROADWAY SO THE COUNTY DOES NOT ALLOW SCHOOL ZONES ON ARTERIAL ROADWAYS. SO IT IS LOCATED HERE.

THE CHANGE IN LOCATION IS A BENEFIT TO THE LAKE AS VERY DISTRICT.

THE OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE THE SCHOOLS IS WHEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NEEDS THE PROPERTY.

ON YOUR AGREEMENT IT WILL SHOW YOU THEY ARE INTENDED TO BE OPEN FOR STUDENTS IN 2027.

THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROPERTY, ACCESS TO THE SCHOOL SITES. THIS IS AN OFFSHOOT TO THIS CONTRACT WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN ORDER FOR THE SCHOOL TO OPEN IN 2027.

THERE WILL BE A PORTION GOING NORTH UNDER A MOBILITY FEE CREDIT BUT BY A PRIVATE DEVELOPER AND IT WILL BE COMPLETED WHEN THE SCHOOL OPENS. THERE HAS BEEN A SHIFT IN LOCATION, AND MEETING THE NEEDS FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THE OBLIGATIONS TO PROVIDE ACCESS, WATER CONNOISSEUR, AND EVERYTHING PROVIDED TO THE SITE AT THE TIME WE NEED TO OPEN.

I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. >> I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS THAT TRACK THE DEAL IS MORE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT HAS. MY ONLY QUESTION IS YOU ARE ABANDONING THE DRI AND IT IS MENTIONED AS A REFERENCE SO WOULD IT BE SMARTER FOR US TO WAIT BEFORE YOU ADOPTED THIS WITHOUT THIS IN HERE. WOULD WE HAVE TO DO ANOTHER AGREEMENT. THE EFFECTIVE DATE IS NOT UNTIL THE ABANDONMENT OF THE LAND USE.

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IT IS LIKE CHICKEN AND EGG. THIS DOCUMENT HAD TO GO TO THE DISTRICT.

IT WAS PRUDENT TO GET THEIR APPROVAL. EVERYTHING ELSE IS UNDER YOUR CONTROL. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAT IF YOU ABANDON THE DRI THIS WORKS FOR US. IF WE DON'T DO THIS IT WILL NOT BECOME EFFECTIVE.

TONIGHT YOU ARE SIGNING IT AND THE EFFECTIVE DATE IS CONDITIONAL FULL ON THE ABANDONMENT. WE DON'T HAVE ONE THAT SAYS ONE THAT IS IN ABANDON.

THEY COME TOGETHER ON THE EFFECTIVE DATE. WE JUST HAD TO GET SOMETHING

INTO THE WORKS FIRST. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> CROSSWALKS AND THOSE SCHOOLS ALL OF THIS WILL BE COORDINATED WITH THE SCHOOL OPENING.

>> AND WE WILL TAKE A MOTION IF THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND PERIOD. >> CLOSE CALL I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? IT CARRIES 5-0. >> IT IS 5:00 P.M.

IM TOLD ITEM 25 IS NOT READY YET. WE WILL GO TO ITEM 26.

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>> USE YOUR MICROPHONE. >> THIS ITEM IS A SMALL-SCALE COMPANY AMENDMENT.

THE APPLICANT THIS IS AND COMMISSIONER CELLA DISTRICT. THIS IS ON TWO PARCELS AND THREE QUARTERS OF A THIRD PARCEL. THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY.

A TOTAL OF 1.2 ACRES AND IT WOULD GO FROM THIS TOO COMMERCIAL.

THIS IS AN AERIAL AND ON THE RIGHT SHOWING THE PARCELS AND YOU CAN SEE THE SOUTHWEST PORTION OF THE RED BOX THAT SPLIT. THESE ARE THE EXISTING LAND USE ON THE LEFT. YOU CAN SEE ALONG COLLEGE DRIVE THIS IS PART OF A LARGER ATTEMPT THEY WANT TO PUT IT UNDER ONE LAND USE AND OFFER THIS AS A REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.

THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S APPLICATION. THERE WILL BE A REZONING.

THIS IS ONE OF THE PARCELS. THESE TWO PARCELS ARE NOT REALLY A STREET JUST A PRIVATE ACCESS

EASEMENT. >> I'M SCRATCHING MY HEAD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS MAKES

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SENSE. >> ONCE COMBINED, THERE ARE DRIVEWAYS FOR BOTH PARCELS.

SO PRESUMABLY YOU WOULD HELP BOARD ENTRANCE IN THE MIDDLE AND ENTERED THE INTERNAL DRIVEWAYS

AND HAVE ACCESS TO THE OTHER PARTS OF THE PROPERTY. >> THIS IS SOUTH OF THE

RIGHT-OF-WAY. >> WOODARD THESE THAT ARE TO THE LEFT?

>> THIS IS, THEY LOOK LIKE HOUSES THEY WERE ORIGINALLY HOMES HOWEVER THEY ARE NOW COMMERCIAL USES. I AM NOT SURE WHAT IS HERE. THIS IS A NONPROFIT.

>> HOW DO THEY ACCESS COLLEGE? >> THIS HAS ITS OWN DIRECT ACCESS.

THIS HAS ACCESS ON THE EASEMENT. >> HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN IN PLACE?

>> I AM NOT SURE. I DON'T REALLY KNOW. >> I'M GOING TO THE PARCELS SOUTH OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IF THEY DECIDE TO PUT A DRIVEWAY ON THE SITE, HOW DO WE ENSURE

THAT ONE PROPERTY HAS ACCESS TO COLLEGE? >> WHEN THEY GO TO DO THE

COMBINATIONS. -- YEAH. >> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> MEETS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE ARE PUBLICS WORKS AVAILABLE. THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-02 RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

>> IN THE LAST QUESTIONS? >> IM LOOKING AT THE LAND USE DEFINITIONS, AND IN URBAN CORE THEY TALK ABOUT BUFFER, FENCING, AND SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING SHALL BE EMPLOYED TO ENSURE A SMOOTH TRANSITION. BUT THEN IF YOU READ IN COMMERCIAL, IT DOES NOT SAY.

I WAS WONDERING IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR APPROVAL FROM STAFF AND IF IT IS WHAT ARE WE DOING TO BUFFER THAT BETWEEN THE URBAN CORE IT COMES OF WHEN THEY COME WITH THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WHOEVER PURCHASES THE PROPERTY. THOSE STANDARDS WOULD BE --

>> IT ACTUALLY SAYS IT IN THE DEFINITION? STAFF WOULD LOOK FOR THAT?

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>> YES. >> OKAY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR

PRESENTATION? >> YES. >> NOW WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WISHING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE?

>> GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS I AM WITH THE CLAY COUNTY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY.

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY MANY OF YOU HAVE SPOKEN WITH ABOUT THS PROJECT IN ADVANCE TO US ACQUIRING THE PARCELS. MOST OF YOU KNOW WHO THE CLAY COUNTY DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY IS.

WE HAVE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1957. WE WANT TO FACILITATE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY.

WE WERE CHALLENGED EARLIER THIS YEAR BY THE COUNTY MANAGER AS WELL AS ALONG WITH THE CHAMBER AND EDC TO COME UP WITH PROJECTS, A PROJECT WE COULD HANG OUR HAT ON.

DDC HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH STRATEGIC PLANNING, CHAMBER HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH WHATEVER THEY ARE GOING THROUGH AND THE CC DA BOARD, WE HAVE AN AMAZING GROUP APPOINTED BY THE GOVERNOR STARTED LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND THE COMMUNITY.

COLLEGE DRIVE BEING ONE I BECAME FAMILIAR WITH SEVERAL YEARS AGO HAVING DONE A LAND USE DEAL THERE. RIGHT AROUND THE SAME TIME COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE WE WERE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FUTURE.

WE LOOKED AT COLLEGE DRIVE AS A PARCEL THAT WOULD BE SOLD, AND WE JUMPED ON IT IMMEDIATELY.

THE BOARD RECOGNIZED THE NEED FOR REDEVELOPMENT CONSIDERING -- CAN YOU PUT THAT BACK UP FOR ME.

PUT THE MAP BACK UP. I CAN EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE BETTER.

OF COURSE WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE ZONING NEXT MONTH IT WILL MAKE MORE SENSE.

I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WHEN WE STARTED THIS WEEK USE THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE. THE MONEY WE HAVE ACQUIRED IS FROM BOND ISSUES AS WELL AS CC DA OWNED AND DEVELOP THE PARK. THIS IS MONEY WE HAVE SAT ON FOR A WHILE EARNING INTERESTS AND PUTTING IT INTO THE COUNTY TO WORK ON NUMEROUS PROJECTS AS BEING THE FIRST OF MANY TO COME.

WE PURCHASED THIS HALF ACRE RIGHT HERE, THERE WAS A GROUP WHO DID THE REZONING.

CALLS WERE GOING UP FOR CONSTRUCTION. THIS ONE REPURCHASE NEXT PARAGRAPH LET ME POINT OUT, THESE ARE ALL ZONED COMMERCIAL. THESE ARE ALL HOMESTEAD RESIDENCES. HERE WE ARE NOT GENERATING THE PROPER TAX REVENUE.

WE SAW THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THESE BACK. WHEN WE PURCHASED THIS ONE LATER, THIS WAS ALL OF THE WAY DOWN. THIS PARCEL HERE, IS MULTI BUSINESSES AND THIS IS RIGHT OFF OF COLLEGE. THIS EASEMENT WAS OWNED BY THIS PARCEL AND THIS PARCEL WAS A HOME. AND THIS PARCEL HAD A HOME THAT HAD FALLEN INTO THE WOODS. IT FELL IN MAYBE 15 YEARS AGO. ALL OF THESE PARCELS, THESE THREE BACK HERE ARE ONLY ACCESS BY THIS EASEMENT ALL OF -- OFF OF COLLEGE.

THIS IS A PRIVATE DIRT ROAD THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO THE HOMES BACK HERE.

IT IS PRIVATE WE HAVE NO INGRESS OR EGRESS. YOU HAVE THIS PRIVATE ROAD BUFFERING THE REST OF THIS. POINTING OUT HERE AS WELL, THERE ARE HOME THEATER THAT WE PUT OFFERS ON. WE SET THE BENCHMARK AT $244,000 PER ACRE.

THESE RESIDENTS ARE COMMERCIAL RESIDENTS. THEY ARE ALL TRYING TO SELL THEIR PARCELS FOR $400,000 PER ACRE. THERE IS NO WATER AND SEWER IN THE AREA IT IS RIGHT HERE. AND THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK BEHIND IT.

WE HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION ABOUT EXTENDING SOME OF THE SERVICES TO GET THE SITE READY.

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WE NEED THE SITE. WE PUT OFFERS ON, MORE THEN THEY PRAYS FOR.

EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE EIGHT HOMESTEAD GETTING THE TAX BREAKS THESE ARE ALREADY COMMERCIAL AND TRYING TO PROMOTE THEMSELVES AS WELL. IF YOU NOTICE, THIS IS WHAT WE WILL DO DOWN THE ROAD AND GOING IN THAT DIRECTION. OTHER THAN THAT, AS WE WERE TRYING TO GET THESE INTO ONE BIG PIECE. SPENDING $1.2 MILLION.

OF OUR MONEY, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. WHAT IS INTERESTING, HALF OF THE EASEMENT HERE, IS PART OF THIS IS COMMERCIAL AND THE OTHER HALF IS YOU SEE TEN.

YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING INTERESTING. THIS IS REDEVELOPMENT MD AREA THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR TODAY TO GET APPROVAL. OUR GOAL IS NOT TO COMPETE WITH THE DEVELOPERS BUT TO GET THE SITES PREPARED AND READY AND SELL THEM HOPEFULLY STARTING NEXT YEAR IT THAT WAY WE CAN IDENTIFY OTHER PARCELS FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> ORIGINALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PROCESS AND TALKING WITH STAFF.

WE MET WITH ED AND LIMITING THE USE. THE CHALLENGE, ESPECIALLY ONE THAT HAS LIMITED RESOURCES, WE WOULD LOVE YOU GUYS TO HELP. I THINK WE CAN DO A BIGGER PROJECT BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN TO GET ARCHITECTS AND ENGINEERS.

IT WILL BE A LOT OF WORK AND THE TIME TO GET IT DONE. MOST OF THE FUNDS ARE USED FOR CAMP LANDING. WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID HAVING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

WE ARE NOT PLANNING TO DEVELOP THIS. COMING UP WITH A SITE PLAN WOULD BE A WASTE. WE ARE LOOKING AT REZONING. BOTH PARTIAL THAT I DISCUSSED, SEVERAL OF THESE ARE OF. I REZONED FROM THE AUTO GARAGE. AND WE'VE ALL HEARD OF IT.

THE ZONING CODE ALLOWS FOR SAME USE AND IT OFFERS GREATER FLEXIBILITY.

I KNOW THERE MAY HAVE BEEN CONCERNS ABOUT ADULT ENTERTAINMENT.

THE INTERESTING THING IS, IT'S A SCHOOL FOR GIRLS SO IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED FOR EQ SPIRIT.

>> ANYONE ELSE FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING

AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. MOTION, FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION FOR

STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

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ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. IT CARRIES 5-0.

ITEM 27. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PLANNING COMMISSION.

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>> MIKE BROWN. THIS IS AN APPLICATION PUD 21 -- ZERO SEVEN.

THE APPLICANT IS LIGHTHOUSE INK. THE AGENT IS CURTIS HARD. IT IS LOCATED AT COUNTY ROAD 220. OF IT IS DISTRICT FIVE. PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS ON DECEMBER 7 THIS IS AN APPLICATION REQUESTING ZONING CHANGE FROM PRIVATE SERVICES TO PLAN USE DEVELOPMENT. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND. PROPERTIES AS I INDICATED LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 220 HALFWAY BETWEEN HENLEY AND COLLEGE DRIVE.

IT IS A SINGLE PARCEL. APPROXIMATELY SIX-POINT 5 ACRES WHICH LEAVES 12.7 ACRES.

THE PARCEL WAS REZONED IN 1998 AND AS A CHURCH BUILDING ON SITE.

THE PARCEL IS LOCATED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. THIS SHOWS YOU AN AREA OF THE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE WETLANDS.

THE NEXT SHOT SHOWS THE ZONING OF THE PROPERTY. YOU HAVE BEEN ARBY'S ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT TO THE EAST. AND THE GENERAL PROXIMITY THERE HAVE BEEN PUD'S APPROVED THAT HAVE COMPARABLE SIZES AS PROPOSED IN THIS PUD.

GOING OVER THE DEVELOPMENT SUMMARY, IT IS A PROPOSAL TO ALLOW FOR 50 FAMILY DEVELOPMENT UNITS. THIS IS FOUR UNITS PER ACRE. THIS ALLOWS FOR A DENSITY RANGE OF A MINIMUM OF TEN AND A MAXIMUM OF TEN UNITS. IT FITS INTO THAT RANGE.

THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS MINIMUM LOT AREA AND 75% AND 55012 FEET.

THE NEXT SHOWS A SITE PLAN AS PROPOSED. ADJACENT TO THE SUBDIVISION EAST OF THE PROJECT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A 20-FOOT BUFFER. A BUFFER BETWEEN THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL. IN SUMMARY, PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THEY ARE ALLOWED IN THE LAND USE CATEGORY. STAFF FINDS THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE SURROUNDING LAND USES.

THEY VOTED 8-02 RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REZONING. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS PROVIDED IN THE DESCRIPTION AND SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF?

>> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> WHAT IMPACT AREA? >> THE SOUTHERN --

>> THEY WOULD HAVE TO MITIGATE AND THEY DID IDENTIFY THERE WOULD BE SOME IMPACT.

THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE FOR ANY THAT THEY GENERATE. >> OR WHAT OTHER PUD'S WERE

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THIS ONE IS ACROSS COLLEGE AND TO THE RIGHT. THAT ONE.

I DON'T RECALL THE DATE IT WAS APPROVED I THINK IT WAS ONE OF THE MORE RECENT ONES.

IT HAS THE SAME LOT WITH AS THIS PROPOSED PUD. THE ONE SETBACK HAS A COMBINATION AND I BELIEVE THE OTHERS ARE 80-FOOT WIDE. AND THE ONE TO THE WEST, IT AS A MIX OF LOT WITH. IN THE GENERAL AREA THERE WERE SOME APPROVED.

>> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET. >> YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW? >> YOU HAVE CONCLUDED CORRECT. >> I AM DONE.

>> I'M JUST CHECKING, YOU CAN NEVER BE TOO CAREFUL. >> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC

HEARING LET'S HEAR FROM THE AGENT. >> WOULD YOU MIND BRINGING UP THE SITE PLAN? AND AS HE INDICATED THIS IS AN 18-ACRE PARCEL.

WE DID A PUD BECAUSE IT GIVES EVERYONE SPECIFICALLY. IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE WHERE THE SITE PLAN IS. RIGHT THERE. PUD GIVES YOU SPECIFICALLY ON WHERE EVERYTHING WILL BE. TO THE EAST IS YOUR SUBDIVISION AND YOU GET A FEEL OF WHERE IT IS. SO I WENT BACK THREE LOTS. WE WILL HAVE TO BUILD A NEW LIFT STATION AND REPLACING THE OLD ONE. WE WILL TYE AND THEIR SCHOOL WERE. WE WERE ACTUALLY WRITE A CROSS FROM WHERE THE CURRENT STATION IS. WE WIL BE TAKING THAT OFF-LINE. THEN WE WILL HAVE A NEW WE DO NOT HAVE TO SPEND A LOT ON MAINTENANCE. WHILE I AM TALKING ABOUT SEWER AND WATER, WE ARE PROVIDING TO THE WEST, A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND WE ARE PROVIDING UTILITIES. THEY WILL NOT BE READ REQUIRED TO HOOK UP BUT THEY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET SEWER NEXT TO THEM. IT IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PEOPLE SHOULD THEY NEED UTILITIES. WE ALSO HAVE A BUFFER THAT IS A DRAINAGE AND ON THE WEST SIDE, MOST OF THE PROPERTY, AT LOT 13, PASTURELAND AND DOWN IS WHERE THE FAMILY COMPOUND IS. THERE IS A DITCH THAT WENT THROUGH IT WE HAD A MEETING AT

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THEIR HOME AND WE AGREED TO FENCE IN THE PROPERTY AND WHERE IT REACHES THE DITCH WE WILL COME TO THE EASTSIDE. AND THEN KEEP AN ACCESS GATE SO WE CAN MAINTAIN IT SHOULD IT CLOG UP. I DON'T THINK IT WILL. IT IS A DEEP DITCH AND IT HAS BEEN WELL ESTABLISHED AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT HAS ANY PROBLEMS FLOWING.

WE WILL -- WE HAVE AGREED TO FENCE THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LINE AND ALSO PROVIDE THEM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY, AND OF COURSE WE HAVE TO DO OUR OLD PONDS. WE HAVE OUR OWN HIGHWAY.

WE HAVE TRIED TO IMPACT THE NEIGHBOR WE ARE AT FOR NET GROWTH SPIRIT AT NET WE ARE FOUR UNITS. WE HAD BUILDERS. THE AVERAGE HOME SELLING FOR $350. WE HAVE HAD THREE FAMILIES MOVE IN.

IT'S GOING REALLY WELL. WE INTEND TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR WITH THE SAME.

IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO DRIVE BY, IT'S A NICE SUBDIVISION. WE HAVE MADE A CONNECTION.

SO THE CHILDREN THAT LIVE THERE CAN GET TO THE SCHOOL EASILY. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS I WOULD BE GLAD TO TALK ABOUT IT MORE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. >> THE MINIMUM HOUSE SIZE IS 1250?

>> RIGHT NOW WE ARE SELLING ABOUT 1500. THEY WANT A BIGGER HOME.

THE SIZE OF HOMES HAVE INCREASED. THEY ARE GOING TO AN OFFICE

SETTING AND WORKING AT HOME. >> THEY ARE PAYING $350,000 FOR THAT?

>> THAT IS THE AVERAGE. I DON'T KNOW THE AVERAGE IN DUBOIS COUNTY.

>> YES. THAT IS THE MARKET. WHATEVER THEY WANT.

WE WOULD BE GLAD. >> THAT IS THERE ARE COMMENTS ABOUT OVERVALUE.

BUT WHO KNOWS. MY QUESTION WAS THE POND. YOU STILL HAVE TO HOLD ALL OF THE WATER THAT YOU GENERATE THERE ARE SOME COMING OFF OF 220.

WE HAVE SOME COMING ACROSS THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND THAT WILL MAKE A HARD TURN AND IT COMES DOWN TO THIS DITCH. THERE IS WATER AND HEADED THAT WAY AND WE STILL HAVE TO

MAINTAIN WATER FROM OUR SITE. >> WHAT IS THE WIDTH OF THE ROADWAY?

>> THERE ARE THE RIGHT OF WAYS BUT THE ROAD IS 24. I DON'T KNOW YOU ASKED ME AND I DID 24-FOOT OF ASPHALT. YOU MAY HAVE ADOPTED THAT AS AN ORDINANCE.

I DID IT BECAUSE YOU ASKED FOR IT. I ALSO DID LINDA LAKES.

I CONTINUE TO DO IT AS LONG AS I CAN. BUT THIS WILL BE THE SECOND ONE

IF WE ARE SUCCESSFUL. >> WE ARE RIGHT AT THE EDGE AT 45.

I COULD NOT TALK YOU INTO A 50 COULD I? >> I WOULD APPRECIATE THE 45.

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I DID ONE ON THE NIGHT BOX. WE BUILD A NICER HOME AT 35-30. WE DID -- I SOLD IT TO KB HOME

SPIRIT. >> I WOULD SUGGEST WE ARE DONE WITH 40S.

>> I GOT THAT SUGGESTION. I UNDERSTAND. >> I HAVE BEEN PREACHING AGAINST THE 40S. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR SOME TYPE OF SAVINGS AS FAR AS THE OVERALL COST. AND I KNOW YOU WILL GET MORE. THERE IS NO VARIATION.

IF THERE IS A WAY FOR US TO AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THAT IS DIFFERENT.

THE GLADES NEXT DOOR, ANYWHERE BETWEEN 70-80. CLINTON LAURELS AND SOUTHHAMPTON, MIKE BROWN SAID WE HAVE 45'S I DIDN'T SEE THEM. I SAW MORE 50S.

NORTHGLENN IS IN THEIR. WHEN YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE 40 FIVES, THE OTHER ASPECT IS WHAT DO YOU GIVE US FOR A DRIVEWAY. I KNOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU SAID YOU WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAKE A DETERMINATION ON HOW YOU COULD DO MORE THAN A 20-FOOT

SETBACK WHICH IS WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. >> THEY WERE ROOTING FOR A VEHICLE TO PULL IN THEIR ESPECIALLY IF IT IS AN F-150 AND YOU ARE BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK.

I DROVE THROUGH MAYFIELD THE OTHER DAY THAT IS THE POSTER CHILD FOR BY ANTI- 40-FOOT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE IT THEY ARE CLOSE TO THE ROADWAY YOU CAN'T PUT TWO CARDS -- CARS BACK TO BACK BECAUSE THEY ARE HANGING OVER THE SIDEWALK AND YOU HAVE KIDS AND ELDERLY, AND DISABLED TRYING TO GET BY CARS BLOCKING THE SIDEWALKS. WHAT IS YOUR PROPOSAL FOR THE

DRIVEWAY? >> I FORGET RALPH'S LAST NAME. ANYWAY, E DID BRING THIS UP.

WE LOOKED AT IT. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING WITH 25 FOR THE GARAGE.

WE LIKE TO DO THE HOUSE AT 15 AND THE GARAGE AT 25. THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE FIVE ADDITIONAL FEET. THE AVERAGE CAR IS NOT THAT BUT IF YOU GET AN F1 50 WITH A

TRAILER HITCH IT WILL EXCEED 20 FEET. >> THE PROBLEM IS, IN HOUSES TODAY IF YOU HAVE A THIRD CAR WHICH IS NOT UNUSUAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TEENAGERS OR SOMEONE WHO HAS MOVED BACK INTO THE HOUSE, THEY HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET OR SIDEWALK AND THAT IS A PROBLEM. I THINK THAT IS WHERE I OBJECT IN TERMS OF THE QUALITY OF LIGHT. NOW YOU WILL BE 15 FEET OFF OF THE SIDEWALK.

>> WITH THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. >> HOW MUCH ROOM DO YOU HAVE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE OBVIOUSLY

THERE IS A LONG, THIN LIVE. >> THE ONES NEXT TO THE CREEK ARE ONE 15TH THE OTHERS ARE 125. IF YOU SENT IT BACK, IT JUST ELIMINATES THE BACKYARD AND YOU CERTAINLY CAN DO IT. THE FURTHER YOU SETBACK A HOUSE, THE BACKYARD GETS SHORTER.

>> I UNDERSTAND THAT. THE OTHER ASPECT, THE WIDTH OF THE LOTS BEING SMALLER YOU HAVE A SMALLER SPACE BETWEEN THE HOUSES AND WITH THE RAIN COMING OFF OF THE HOUSES, MOST PEOPLE ESPECIALLY IN THE BEGINNING DO NOT HAVE RAIN GUTTERS AND THE WATER SITS.

IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. IT SITS BETWEEN THE TWO HOUSES AND THAT BECOMES WET AND VERY TOUGH TOMORROW AND HAVE KIDS PLAY ON IT. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASON, I DON'T LIKE THE 40 OR 45'S I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MOVE TO A MINIMUM OF 50 AND WE DISCUSSED

THAT EARLIER. COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. >> THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

WE WILL TURN OVER THAT MAINTENANCE AND PROVIDE A GATE TO GET TO IT.

AND NORTH AND EAST WEST DITCHES. >> THE REASON WE ASKED THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, GOES AWAY WHICH MANY HAVE BEEN THE COUNTY, THEN THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT US AS THE COUNTY TO

DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEIR DRAINAGE. >> WE HAD THIS PROBLEM, FIRST OF ALL WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LET THE HOA'S, GOAL WEIGHT THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS BUT THEN 30 YEARS GOES BY AND THEY WANT TO ELIMINATE AND THEY CAN DO WITH A HAVE TO DO. BUT WE PUT A CONDITION AND I WILL BE GLAD TO SEND STAPP

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WORDING WE PUT A CONDITION THAT SAYS, THAT SHOULD THE HOA EXPIRE, THEN ALL PARTIES TO THE PLAT, ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THE COMMON AREAS. SO WE HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM BEFORE IN OTHER COUNTIES AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PUT ON THE PIPES RIGHT NOW.

LET THE INDIVIDUALS KNOW IF THEY ALLOWED THE HOA NEEDS TO EXPIRED THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE INDIVIDUALLY, WHOEVER OWNS THE PROPERTY, AS A GROUP. IT IS NOT AN UNKNOWN PROBLEM.

>> I KNOW THERE ARE SOME ASSOCIATIONS THAT HAVE NOT MADE IT THERE.

ALSO IN TERMS OF THE FENCING WHICH YOU PROMISED, WILL THAT BE WRITTEN ANYWHERE?

>> I ASKED COMMISSIONER CONDON IF YOU COULD DO A COMMISSION. I DON'T KNOW -- WHAT YOUR PROPOSAL -- I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A CONDITION FROM THIS BOARD REQUIRING A FENCE ON THE EASTERN

PROPERTY -- I MEAN, THE WESTERN PROPERTY LINE. >> AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE US DO A CONDITION WHERE THE GARAGE IS SO WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PARK THE VEHICLES, CURTIS SAID THEY CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT AS FAR AS THE GARAGE IS CONCERNED.

SO DO WE NEED TO MAKE THAT A CONDITION AS WELL? >> WOULD THAT BE BACK TO

25 FEET? >> YES. >> I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE

FRONT OF THE HOUSE BACK FURTHER. I THINK IT GIVES A CROWDED -- >> IF WE PUSH THE GARAGE BACK AT FIVE WE WILL PUSH THE HOUSE BACK FIVE I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO DESIGN A BUNCH OF NEW HOMES. >> CORRECT.

>> IF WE HAD 25 ON THE HOUSE THE GARAGE WOULD BE 20 AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING THAT.

WE CAN MAKE THAT PART OF THE CONDITIONS. >> CAN'T YOU REVISE THE WRITTEN

STATEMENT? LET'S PUT IT IN THERE. >> IF YOU WANT ME TOO REVISE THE

WRITTEN STATEMENT WE CAN DO THAT. >> HE HAS TO CONCLUDE -- INCLUDE

THE CONDITIONS. >> WE WILL ADD THE GARAGE IN THE FENCE AND THE SETBACKS.

>> THERE IS A PRESUMPTION THAT IT PASSES FIRST. >> SHOULD IT PASS.

>> I WOULD LIKE A CONVERSATION ABOUT PUMPING OF WATER AND DRAINAGE.

I HAVE DRIVEN THE PROPERTY TWICE AND WATER IS STANDING AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME IT HAS RAINED OR THE LAST TIME BEFORE THAT. THE WATER IS STANDING AND NOT THE WETLANDS IT IS IN THE FRONT, RIGHT UP AT THE BY 220. FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT WATCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CAN WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION, YOU CAN BLEED IT ABOUT WHERE YOU

PLAN TO PUMP THE WATER. >> YES. ULTIMATELY, ARE YOU OKAY, ULTIMATELY, THE WATER IS GOING TO DISCHARGE INTO THE WETLANDS BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IS PITCHED FROM NORTH TO SOUTH. WE NEED A TEST CALLED PRE-AND POST.

WE CALCULATE IT BEFORE WE DO ANY DEVELOPMENT. WE FIGURE OUT WHERE THE WATER IS GOING. OUR POST DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE CANNOT EXCEED THAT FLOW THAT IT CURRENTLY IS. THAT IS WHAT THE PONDS ARE SIZED ACCORDING TO THAT TO BE DISCHARGED AT A RATE THAT WILL NOT PROCEED THE PREDEVELOPMENT AMOUNT OF WATER.

WE EXPECT ( INDISCERNIBLE ) IF YOU KNOW THE AREA WHEN YOU COME OFF UP TO 20 IT IS BUILT UP.

WHEN YOU COME OFF OF THE ROAD IT DROPS TO THE PROPERTY. WE WOULD HAVE TO FILL PART OF THAT AREA, TO RAISE THAT AREA FROM THE TRANSITION. IT WOULD HAVE TO EQUAL EACH

OTHER AND THAT WILL DETERMINE THE SIZE OF THE PONDS. >> I -- WHEN YOU ADD THAT, WHEN

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YOU TAKE WHAT IS TODAY CALLED A FIELD WITH NO CONCRETE, PAVEMENT, NO OBSTRUCTION TO WATER BEING ABLE TO FILTRATE THROUGH THE SAND AND DIRT, DOWN INTO THE BOTTOM OF THE GRASS THAT IS THERE. YOU WILL BE CAUSING FLOODING PROBLEMS FOR THE GLADES, AREN'T

YOU? >> NO. WE IN FACT, THESE PONDS, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS ALL OF OUR WATER IS REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH THE PONCE TO BE TREATED BEFORE THEY ARE DISCHARGED INTO THE WETLANDS. WE CANNOT BLOOD THE GLADES.

THE GLADES HAVE A NICE SIZED DITCH BETWEEN US AND THEM. THE WATER COMING OFF OF THE TWO TO ANY FLOWS DOWN, I AM SURE THE GLADES LOADS INTO THAT AND GOES TO THE SOUTH.

WE CANNOT DISCHARGE OUR WATER ONTO THE GLADES. WE WILL DISCHARGE IT INTO THE

WETLANDS. >> WHAT YOU ARE PUTTING ON THE WEBSITE, IS THAT IN THE DITCH?

>> NO, IT IS ON OUR SIDE OF THE DITCH. WE DO NOT WANT TO BLOCK THAT.

>> SO THE DITCH, IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT UP A FENCE THERE IS NO WAY THE WATER FROM YOUR

SUBDIVISION CAN GO INTO THE DITCH. >> KNOW.

YOU ARE CORRECT. WE WILL NOT DISCHARGE ALL OF IT INTO THAT DITCH.

WE WILL DISCHARGE THE WATER IN OUR DITCH TO THE ROADWAY. WE WILL NOT FLOAT THE WATER INTO

THE DITCH. >> HOW DO YOU PROPOSE THAT FROM THE LOTS OF 22-21, AND ALL OF THOSE NEAR THE CUL-DE-SAC, THAT, THAT WATER WILL GO UPHILL TO YOUR PONCE.

FOR THAT MATTER ANY OF THE WATER GOING TO THE PONDS? >> THE LOTS ARE ENGINEERED TO FLOW, A LOT DRAINS TO THE ROAD. B LOT DRAINS TO THE ROAD AND BACK.

C TRADES TO THE REAR. WE WILL DO LETTER A ALONG THERE WHICH DRAIN TO THE ROADWAY, SO YOU CAN GET THE WATER TO THE ROADWAY. VIEW, MEANING THE COUNTY WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY -- WE ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT AN ENGINEERING PLAN FOR THIS PROJECT. THEY WILL NOT PASS IT. IF I DON'T MEET THE STANDARDS THEY WILL NOT APPROVE THE PLANS. WE ARE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS TO DEVELOP THIS.

>> REALLY QUICK. FENCE, WHAT KIND OF FENCE? >> I PUT 6-FOOT VINYL.

I THINK IT LASTS A LOT LONGER THAN A WOOD FENCE, AND IT CAN BE CLEANED FAIRLY EASILY.

>> OKAY. I WILL PUT THAT IN THERE. SHOULD THIS PASS I WILL PUT THIS

IN THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION. >> ANY LAST QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT?

WELL THIS IS IT, HE IS LEAVING. >> I MEANT PUBLIC HEARING. >> ALL RIGHT --

>> I'M NOT LEAVING. >> I KNOW. ANY FURTHER FOLKS WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN THE PUBLIC HEARING? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.

>> I ASKED STAFF, A FEW STAFF MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE LOOKED AT ROYAL OAKS.

I KNOW IF I HAD BEEN A COMMISSION AT THAT POINT I DON'T SEE HOW I WOULD HAVE APPROVED IT. NO OFFENSE TO MR. HART YOU SEE LIKE A NICE MAN YOU ARE FROM JACKSONVILLE, WE HAVE ENOUGH ZONING TO GO TO THE COMPLIMENT WE HAVE.

WE HAVE ENOUGH ZONING. WE DON'T NEED MORE ZONING. I DROVE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND, FIRST OFF, I CANNOT FATHOM SPENDING $350,000 ON ONE OF THOSE HOMES.

I THINK WE ARE PEOPLE COMING TO THE COUNTY WHO DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO SO THEY HAVE TO FIND A HOUSE. WHETHER THEY CAN GET APPROVED FOR THIS HOUSE RIGHT NOW OR WHETHER THEY CAN CONTINUE TO PAY FOR IT OVER THE YEARS IS ANOTHER SUBJECT MATTER AND I THINK WE WILL HAVE A PROBLEM LATER ON. I DROVE IN. I HAVE DRIVEN A SUBURBAN FOR YEARS BECAUSE I HAVE YOUR KIDS. THERE IS NO WAY I COULD'VE PUT MY SUBURBAN AND ONE OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS. I CAN BARELY MANEUVER MY SMALL SUV TO GET INTO A DRIVEWAY AND TO IMAGINE, MY FAMILY, I HAVE FOUR KIDS. EVEN IF I HAD TWO KIDS AND THEY

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WERE DRIVING AGE I CAN'T IMAGINE TRYING TO GET INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVING FIRE AND RESCUE COME INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD I CANNOT IMAGINE THEM MANEUVERING AROUND THE HOME'S. FEEL LIKE YOU CAN DO BETTER. AGAIN, NO OFFENSE TO YOU.

AS FAR AS HOW ATTRACTIVE THEY ARE, I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. AGAIN YOU LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE, WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HERE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE IS GREAT, AND AGAIN ATTRACTIVE FOR THE PEOPLE, AND THEY CAN AFFORD IT.

JUST BECAUSE YOU CHARGED $350,000 FOR A HOME, I REALLY THINK THAT IS ROBBING PEOPLE.

I REALLY DO. FOR 81500 SQUARE-FOOT HOME. I DON'T KNOW.

I AM NOT FOR THIS. I THINK YOU SHOULD GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR THAT PROPERTY. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE 18 ACRES OF LAND DOES MEAN WE SHOULD PUT 50 HOMES ON IT. WE HAVE TO HAVE SPACE. THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE ROOM.

THERE'S NOT EVEN ROOM FOR CARS TO BE ON THE ROAD AND PARK OVERNIGHT OR IF THEY HAVE A PARTY AT THEIR HOUSE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD GET A ROUND A CAR.

I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DID AND I THINK THAT WAS NICE WITH THE PLAYGROUND AND BUILDING A PASSAGEWAY FOR THE KIDS, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING YOU NEEDED TO DO.

BUT THERE IS NO WAY I CAN BE FOR THIS. I JUST CAN'T.

>> OKAY, FURTHER COMMENTS. >> IM SHOCKED THAT THE HOMES WOULD APPRAISE BUT THAT IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. BUT I CAN'T. BUT I GUESS THAT IS THE MARKET.

>> I WILL SAY I'D LIKE A 50-FOOT LOT LINE AT LEAST. LET'S CALL TO QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER BURKE, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> IF I AM NOT APPROVING DO I

MAKE A MOTION? >> YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.

>> I MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND, FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

>> WHAT ARE WE DOING? >> WE APPROVE THIS IT GETS KILLED.

BUT ALL IN FAVOR OF DENIAL PLEASE INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? IT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. WHAT WE WILL DO WITH ITEM 25, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE HERE.

[14. Approval of First Amendment to Interlocal Agreement Regarding Veterans' Suicide Prevention (Northeast Florida Fire Watch Council)]

WE WILL TAKE THAT AS THE LAST ITEM, BEFORE WE ADJOURN. THAT WILL BRING US BACK TO ITEM 14. HERE I AM. APPROVAL OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT REGARDING VETERANS SUICIDE PREVENTION.

>> WE'VE RECEIVED THIS REQUEST FROM ST. JOHNS COUNTY. THE FIRE WATCH COUNCIL IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE AGREEMENT TO MOVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS FROM DUBOIS COUNTY TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AND THE TAX IS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO MOVE

FORWARD WITH THAT PROCEDURE. >> OKAY. QUESTIONS OF THE ATTORNEY?

ANY COMMENTS? >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND.

>> THEY JUST TRANSITION FROM THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

AND YOU ARE A REPRESENTATIVE? EVERYTHING SHOULD REMAIN THE SAME.

JUST FISCAL AGENTS AND CONTRACT AGENTS OF CHANGE. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM, AS LONG AS THEY DON'T THINK THIS WILL BE A ROTATING THING. NOT THAT I AM AGAINST FIRE WATCH BUT IN THIS PERIOD OF WHAT WE AGREED TO, TAKING IT OVER IN TERMS OF THE OPERATION IS MORE

THAN JUST CONTRIBUTING. >> I SUBMITTED, IT WAS CONCEIVED AS A REGIONAL FUNCTIONALITY AND NOW HAS TAKEN ON STATEWIDE FUNCTIONALITY. I THINK, MY CRYSTAL BALL SAYS

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SOONER OR LATER THEY WILL TAKE OVER THE WHOLE THING AND THEY WILL BECOME BIG ENOUGH, THERE ARE RUMORS IT COULD BE THE BE A PROGRAM FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

NO ONE HAS EVER SPOKEN ABOUT IF MIGRATING TO CLAY COUNTY OR -- >> CAN I TAKE A MOTION.

>> ALREADY HAVE A MOTION. >> ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE.

[15. Request to use alternative procedure to notice public hearings for the consideration of potential purchase and sale agreements for the purchase of real property along Sandridge Road necessary for stormwater retention facilities in connection with the Bonded Transportation Program]

IT CARRIES 5-0. >> NUMBER 15 REQUEST TO USE ALTERNATIVE PROCEDURE TO NOTICE PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THE CONSIDERATION OF POTENTIAL PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENTS.

>> IS A PROCEDURE THE BOARD USES IN CONNECTION WITH PURCHASE OF PROPERTY FOR -- IN ORDER TO COMPLY WITH OUR CODE YOU HAVE TO BRING THE PARTICULAR PARCELS IN FRONT OF THE BOARD TO IDENTIFY THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROCEDURE. THE TWO PARCELS WE HAVE INDICATED, OR ARE REQUESTING ARE IN CONNECTION WITH THE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.

THEY ARE SITES FOR PONDS ALONG SANDRIDGE ROAD. WE WOULD LIKE TO USE THE PROCEDURES SO THAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A PURCHASE IN CONNECTION WE ARE -- IF WE COME BACK TO THE BOARD WE HAVE A SHORTER NOTICE. AND WE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SHORTER NOTICE OF FIVE DAYS AND IT WOULD STILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> QUESTIONS? DISCUSSIONS? WE DON'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING

FOR THIS ONE? >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND? ARE IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING

[16. Notice of Intent and Award of Bid No. 21/22-26, Fire Station 18 Repairs and Renovations and Agreement with Gary S. Bailey, Inc. (K. Thomas/G. Price)]

AYE. IT CARRIES 5-0. >> ITEM 16.

NOTICE OF INTENT TO AWARD BID NUMBER 21/22-26 FIRE STATION REPAIRS.

>> I AM WITH FACILITIES HERE TO RECOMMEND THE BID OF 22/-- BID NUMBER 21/22-26.

2300 SQUARE-FOOT. PULLING THE CHILD OUT. SOME OF THE APPLIANCES AS WELL.

THROUGH REMEDIATION PUT INSULATION UNDERNEATH AND REPLACE THE CEILING AND THE APPLIANCES IDENTIFIED. WE WOULD LOOK AT UPPER -- OTHER OPPORTUNITIES BUT EVERYONE IS TRYING TO DO GOUGING. WE WORK WITH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AND IT WAS A HIGH PRIORITY. THEY WERE ABLE TO GET IT OUT. AND NOW WE ARE COMING HERE -- THEY RECEIVED FORBIDS. CARRIE BAILEY WAS THE LOWEST BIDDER.

MR. BAILEY AND HIS CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IS A LOCAL VENDOR. THEY DID ONE OF THE OTHER FIRE STATION RENOVATIONS SO WE ARE CONFIDENT WITH THEIR WORK PERFORMANCE.

FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF 106,000 $97. THAT IS ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.

>> QUESTIONS? >> THIS IS 70 DAYS FROM WHEN? >> NOTICE OF RECEIPT.

>> WHEN IS THAT? >> SOON AS WE HAVE THE SIGNED CONTRACT WE WILL WORK OUT THE

PROCEDURE. >> I HAVE REAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE SET UP THAT WE HAVE THE FIREFIGHTERS IN RIGHT NOW. I FELT LIKE THAT WAS IN OCTOBER WHERE I TOURED THE OTHER RENOVATIONS. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT FIREFIGHTERS AND THE RISK FROM THEIR WORK WE HAVE BEEN COOKIE IN THEIR BAY, WHERE THEIR DIESEL ENGINES ARE, THE WHOLE SETUP IS REALLY -- IT WAS UNDESIRABLE IN OCTOBER AND NOW IT IS DECEMBER AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER TWO AND HALF MONTHS. THE CHIEF WAS GREAT ABOUT ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS AND MY IDEAS BACK IN OCTOBER AND I APPRECIATE THAT TIME. THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF YOU OR THE WORK THAT YOU OR YOUR STAFF HAVE DONE. MY CONCERN IS, WHAT MORE RISK ARE WE PUTTING FIREFIGHTERS THAT BY TRYING TO FIX THE MOLD ISSUE. THIS IS WILL -- THIS WILL BE

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ANOTHER 4-5 MONTHS THAT THEY ARE OUT OF THEIR. I AM WONDERING IF THERE IS ANYTHING WE CAN DO FROM A COUNTY PERSPECTIVE AND I AM LEADING YOU COUNTY MANAGER, I EVEN SUGGESTED COULD WE RENT OR BY A SMALL CAMPER FOR THEM TO COOK IN AND EAT THEIR MEALS IN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE ON DUTY AT A TIME BUT SOMETHING WE COULD DO THAT IS NOT COOKING IN THE BAY AND THEN GOING BACK TO THEIR BEDROOM TO EAT. THAT IS BASICALLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING OR THEY HAVE TO SIT OUTSIDE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE BOX WHERE THEIR BEDS ARE, AND THOSE ARE -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NUMBER AND THEN THEY HAVE THE BASE AND THEIR TRUCKS, AND THAT IS IT. THEY HAVE OUTDOOR SPACE. I KNOW THAT AREA IS MORE URBAN, COMMISSIONERS AREA WHERE THERE IS MORE HOMELESS OUT AT NIGHT. THE WHOLE THING IS UNDESIRABLE.

THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM OF ANY OF YOU I KNOW YOU'RE ALL WORKING HARD, BUT TO ADD ANOTHER TWO MONTHS ON WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN IS CONCERNING TO ME. AND I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS. I THINK MR. BAILEY DID A GREAT JOB ON THE PREVIOUS WORK HE DID STATION 13. HE MET US OUT THERE AND EXPLAINED IT AND I EXPLAINED -- APPRECIATE THE TIME AND THE TOUR. THEY TOOK ME ALL OVER AND I APPRECIATED THAT. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. MY CONCERN IS MORE AN ADD-ON OF WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS TO MAKE LIFE BETTER.

>> WE WILL LOOK AT ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF COOKING SO IT IS NOT THERE.

THE STAFF DID DO A QUICK TURN IF YOU REMEMBER TROY CAME UP AND WE MADE THE COMMITMENT WE WOULD GET IT TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL AND QUICKLY TURNED AND GOT IT PROCESS.

HOPEFULLY THAT WILL SAVE US TWO MONTHS. BASED UPON THE HOLIDAYS AND THE NORMAL TURNAROUND TIME FOR THE RFPS. WE CAN LOOK AT SOME SORT OF PORTABLE KITCHEN SO TO SPEAK, I DON'T KNOW THE RULES FOR COOKING WITH THE SITUATION I KNOW THE CHIEF'S BACK THERE AND MAYBE HE CAN ASSIST ME ON THAT BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND LOOK AT THE COSTS. HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE WITHIN REASON.

>> MAYBE THEY CAN LET US DO THAT. >> BOX LUNCHES PER SE?

>> DAVE ACTING FIRE CHIEF. WHAT I WILL SAY OF THE RELOCATION, WE WERE ACTUALLY WORKING OUT OF NEW AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK AND KEEPING THE ENGINE IN THE AREA DURING THE DAYTIME. THE FIREFIGHTERS, THAT CAUSES US COVERAGE ISSUE.

FIREFIGHTERS WANTED TO STAY THERE. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE DONE THAT.

I WOULD SAY THE LEAD TURN ON THIS CONTRACT TIME FROM PURCHASING HAS BEEN UNLIKE ANYTHING I'VE SEEN BECAUSE WE CONSIDERED DOING IT AS AN EMERGENCY BUT THIS WAS JUST AS FAST TO GET THE WORK DONE. WE HAVE GIVEN THEM PROVISIONS, I WILL TELL YOU IT IS NOT THE BEST SITUATION BUT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GOTTEN THE SITUATION DONE. THAT IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. THEY CHOSE TO STAY THERE, I DON'T THINK BOX LUNCHES, THEY CAN EAT OUT, THEY CAN DO THAT. WE HAVE THAT PROVISION.

I THINK THEY WOULD CHOOSE THAT OVER A BOX LUNCH. >> A TWIST THEY MADE IN OCTOBER MAY NOT BE A CHOICE THEY MAKE TODAY. THESE ARE HEROES.

THESE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO CAR ACCIDENTS, FIGHTING FIRES, AND WE ARE TELLING THEM, PUT YOUR LIFE AT RISK, GO COOK YOUR FOOD AND EAT YOUR FOOD WHERE YOUR TRUCK IS RUNNING, BUT DON'T GET CANCER WE WILL GIVE YOU THIS SPECIAL HOOD. THEY HAD A COWORKER PASS AWAY FROM THIS. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE.

I DON'T THINK IT IS BECAUSE I MADE A DECISION TWO MONTHS AGO NOT KNOWING, THEY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DONE. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE DONE WHEN WE WERE TOURING.

WE WERE GOING TO PIGGYBACK ON THE CONTRACT AND IT WOULD HAPPEN AND IT WOULD BE WITHIN 60 DAYS.

AND TO ME, THIS IS NOT A WAY TO TREAT EMPLOYEES. I APPROVE THIS I THINK IT IS A

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GOOD THING AND I THINK WE HAVE DONE THE RIGHT THING AND MR. BAILEY DID GOOD WORK ON THE STATION BUT I DON'T THINK WE ARE TREATING THE EMPLOYEES WELL. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE IS.

I DON'T HAVE THOSE CONTACTS THAT'S NOT MY DISTRICT. IT IS JUST A MATTER OF I DON'T

THINK IT IS A GOOD SITUATION. >> WE WILL MAKE ACCOMMODATIONS SO THE FIREMEN AT STATION 18 ARE

HAPPY WITH REGARDS TO COOKING. YOU HAVE MY COMMITMENT ON THAT. >> ALRIGHT, WE WILL TAKE A

PROMOTION. >> I WILL MOVE WE APPROVE THE RENOVATION.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND, FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[17. Notice of Intent and Award of Bid No. 21/22-14, Tree Removal Services and Agreements to American Tree Surgeons, Inc. (Primary) and Big Branch Tree Service, Inc. (Secondary) (K. Smith)]

ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED SAME SIGN, CARRIES 5-0.

SEVENTEEN TREE REMOVAL SERVICES. >> THIS IS OUR TREE REMOVAL BID THAT WE PUT OUT ANNUALLY.

THIS TIME WE ARE DOING A TERM OF THREE YEARS. WE USE TREE TRIMMIG AS NEEDED.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST DEPARTMENT THAT USES IT BUT IT IS USED BY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS LIKE PARKS AND RECREATION. THIS IS BEST FOR TRIMMING TREES, STUMP REMOVAL ACT COUNTY FACILITIES. WITH THE AMOUNT OF WORK WE HAVE WE FELT THAT AWARDING THE TWO WERE APPROPRIATE SO WE HAVE A PRIMARY AND A SECONDARY. BOTH COMPANIES ARE LOCAL, LOCATED HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. WE WOULD RECOMMEND AWARD TO AMERICAN TREE SURGEONS, THEY ARE THE VENDOR THAT HAS HAD THE AGREEMENT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND BIG BRANCH TREE SERVICE AS A SECONDARY. PART OF THE ITEM IS TO APPROVE THE AGREEMENT AS WELL.

BOTH COMPANIES. >> DISCUSSION. >> QUESTION.

I KNOW IT IS AS NEEDED BUT WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THE BID TOTAL IS THAT A COMBINATION OF

ALL OF THE CHARGES, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? >> WE DO THAT TO DETERMINE -- SO WE PUT IN ESTIMATED QUANTITIES. IT WILL BE AT THE PRICES AS NEEDED THAT ARE LISTED IN THE

CONTRACT. >> I JUST USE THE TREE SURGEONS ONE MONTH AGO, THEY DID KNOW WHO I WAS AND THEY EXCEEDED MY EXPECTATIONS. THEY DID A GOOD JOB.

>> STAFF HAS BEEN VERY PLEASED WITH THEM. >> OKAY, I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> I SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING

[18. Approval of Agreement with Foresight Construction Group, Inc. regarding the Construction of the Clay County Gun Range (G. Price)]

AYE, OPPOSED SAME SIGN, IT CARRIES 5-0. >> ITEM 18 APPROVAL OF AGREEMENT WITH FORESIGHT CONSTRUCTION GROUP REGARDING CONSTRUCTION OF THE CLAY COUNTY GUN RANGE.

>> GOOD EVENING I AM JEAN PRICE WHITLEY COUNTY FACILITIES HERE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH AGREEMENT WITH FORESIGHT CONSTRUCTION GROUP FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW GUN RANGE AT 3685 COUNTY ROAD TO BE COMPLETED NO LATER THAN 103 CALENDAR DAYS AND NOT TO EXCEED $3,000,497.

>> QUESTIONS? WE WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> A SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> I WOULD SAY I ECHO THE

COMMENTS FROM EARLIER I REALLY LIKE THE NOT TO EXCEED. >> I THINK THAT IS A GOOD WAY TO

GO. >> IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN DO WE SHOULD TRY TO DO THAT.

>> ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE. OPPOSED SAME.

IT CARRIES 5-0. HOPE THE PRICE DOESN'T GET ANY LARGER.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN BACK ON 17 I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS APPROVAL OF THE NOTICE AND

COMPANY -- ACCOMPANYING AGREEMENT. >> I MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE

[19. Notice of Intent and Award of Bid No 21/22-4, Green Cove Springs Aging True Community Senior Services Kitchen Alteration and Agreement with STG Contracting Group, Inc. (K. Smith/ G. Price)]

BOTH ITEMS. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> 19.

GREEN COVE SPRINGS AGING TRUE COMMUNITY SENIOR SERVICES KITCHEN.

>> COMMISSIONERS I AM HERE FOR NUMBER 19. AWARD OF BID NUMBER 21/22-4 THIS IS THE IMMUNITY SENIOR SERVICES KITCHEN ALTERATION TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY.

IN THE AUDIENCE WE DO HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE FACILITY.

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IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND CAPABILITIES THAT COULD BE PERFORMED AND HOW HIS OPERATIONS WORK AND MORE THEY CAN GET UP IN JACKSONVILLE SO THEY HAVE TO BRING IT DOWN HERE FOR DISTRIBUTION. THIS IS NOW A DISTRIBUTION HUB. RECOMMENDING AWARD TO SDG CONTRACTING GROUP IN THE AMOUNT OF $581. WE ONLY HAD ONE VENDOR SUBMIT A BID. WE HAD TEN SHOW UP. SDG IS ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION COMPANY DOING PHENOMENAL WORK. I FEEL CONFIDENT IN THE PRICE THEY GAVE AND THEIR WORK PERFORMANCE. THEY DID A FIRE STATION AND NUMEROUS PROJECTS AT THE COURTHOUSE. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS. THIS PROJECT DID COME IN UNDERBID. SO, SO FAR SO GOOD AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR RECOMMENDATION OF

APPROVAL. >> PRIMARY REASON, FINANCE AND AUDIT RECOMMENDED IT COMES AS A

SINGLE BIDDER. >> IT IS IN LINE WITH WHAT WE EXPECTED?

>> IT IS ACTUALLY LOWER. >> I THINK THIS IS A GREAT COUNTY ACCENT.

WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO FEED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN A PINCH AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE FORMER FOLKS WERE PUSHING FOR FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND THE FEDERAL FUNDING.

>> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE BID OR THE IDEA, IM CONCERNED ABOUT OUR DISTRIBUTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US WORK ON THAT AND HAVE IT COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE KITCHEN BEING DONE

SO WE ARE NOT WASTING TIME. >> THAT WILL BE DONE BY AGING TRUE.

I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM ON WHAT THE CONTRIBUTION WILL DUE TO THE FOOD QUALITY OR FOOD DISTRIBUTION IN CLAY COUNTY.

FOOD IS PREPARED IN JACKSONVILLE AND WE HAVE FOUR SENIOR CENTERS INC. KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, MIDDLEBURG AND GREEN COVE SPRINGS. ONCE THE FOOD IS PREPARED, WE HAVE IT TRANSPORTED AND THE DRIVE TIME GET IT THERE AND MAINTAIN THE TEMPERATURES.

WE CUT DOWN THE DRIVETIME WITH THE LOCATED HERE AND WE CAN GET THE MEALS OUT SOONER.

ALSO IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE OPERATION HERE. THERE IS A REQUIREMENT WITH 24-48 HOUR NOTICE FOR A RESIDENT CAN WE CUT THAT DOWN OR WILL THAT BE IN PLACE?

>> WE CAN REVIEW IT. >> WILL THIS AFFECT THE MEALS ON WHEELS PROGRAM AT ALL?

>> THIS FACILITY WILL PREPARE HOME DELIVERED MEALS WHICH WILL BE DISTRIBUTED AS WELL AS THE CONGREGATE MEAL. THIS FACILITY WILL PROVIDE THAT WHICH MAKES IT CLOSER AND

EASIER. >> AND YOU HAVE THE FUNDS TO STAFF THIS?

>> S. >> WE DIDN'T REALLY DISCUSS THAT PART OF IT.

I APPRECIATE YOU STEPPING UP THIS IS A BIG DEAL. >> AND THIS IS A WAY TO MAKE SURE MORE SENIORS ARE FED HERE IN CLAY COUNTY, AND ALLOWS THE FACILITY TO BE USED IN THE AREA

AS WELL. >> QUESTIONS? >> NOTHING RIGHT NOW.

>> OKAY, TAKE A MOTION. >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT. >> FURTHER DISCUSSION?

ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED SAME SIGN? >> MY MOTION --

[20. Grants Management Policy with Adoption Resolution (M. Mosley)]

>> IT INCLUDES BOTH. >> THANK YOU. >> ITEM 20.

RENT MANAGEMENT POLICY. -- GRANT MANAGEMENT POLICY. >> GOOD EVENING I AM MEGHAN MOSLEY WITH THE GRANT DIVISION. TONIGHT I WANT APPROVAL OF THE GRANTS MANAGEMENT POLICY ABLE TO A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR THE PUMP COUNTY. IT DEFINES THE ROLE OF THE GRANTS WHICH IS ALL PHASES OF THE GRANT PROCESS THIS MEANS PREPARING THE APPLICATION, AWARD

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OF BETTER JUDGMENT, ALL REPORTING AND GRANT CLOSEOUTS. SECONDLY, THIS WILL HELP PROVIDE GREATER FLEXIBILITY ON THE STAFF IN TERMS OF STREAMLINING THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

CURRENTLY WE DO HAVE A $50,000 THRESHOLD FOR REQUEST AND THE PURCHASING POLICY.

THAT MEANS ALL OF THE REQUEST GREATER THAN $50,000 GREATER TWO OR EQUAL COME TO THE BOARD FOR APPROVAL. THIS WILL ALLOW THE COUNTY MANAGER TO APPROVE APPLICATION REQUEST FOR CURRENTLY BUDGETED PROJECTS. THAT WILL INCLUDE ITEMS IN YOUR CIP AND PROJECT ON THE LITTLE MITIGATION STRATEGY LIST. IN SOME CASES THE SECTION FIVE IS REALLY VALUABLE TO THE GRANTS TEAM TO HAVE AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE FORWARD AND DAVE WILL CUT DOWN -- AND LASTLY THE FINANCE AND AUDIT MEETING. COMMISSIONER SAID AN ANNUAL REPORT REQUIREMENT. WE HAVE INC. THAT IN THE POLICY AS WELL AND IT IS ON THE FINAL PAGE OF THE POLICY. IN THAT REPORT IT WILL INCLUDE GRANT APPLICATION SUBMITTED AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES. THAT IS A WAY TO CHECK IN WITH THE BOARD EVERY YEAR END TO SHOW YOU THE PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SEEING.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS.

>> I'VE MOVED TO APPROVE. 102ND. >> I HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE MEASUREMENT. HOW WILL WE GREAT OURSELVES AS I WE ARE DOING AGAINST WHOEVER ELSE, IS THERE SOMEONE THAT LOOKS AT THE GRANT ORGANIZATIONS

IN THE STATE OR SOMETHING? >> WE HAVE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS AND AWARDS WE HAVE RECEIVED. THEY WILL WORK ALONGSIDE THE COUNTY AUDITOR AND WE CAN CERTAINLY ADJUST AS NEEDED. THIS WILL DEVELOP AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

>> THE BOTTOM LINE, HOW MANY GRANTS WERE AWARDED. >> THEY HAD HITS AND MISSES.

ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF AN ANNUAL REPORT IS COMPARISON. I'LL BE AT, WE DON'T HAVE A LEGACY DATABASE TO COMPARE, IT WILL PROVIDE FOR 2022-23 AND YOU HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.

>> IF WE GO FORWARD, WE MAY WANT TO EXPAND THE EFFORT. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL IN FAVOR AYE CARRIES 5-0. BUDGET POLICY.

[21. Budget Policy with Adoption Resolution (D. Sileo)]

NUMBER 21. >> SO, WE HAVE MOVED SOME THINGS AROUND, THREE OF THE CHANGES WE MADE WILL HELP OPERATIONAL FLOW. THE SECOND WOULD BE MOVING WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER'S APPROVAL MOVING $25,000 FROM RESERVES INTO A COST CENTER FOR AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THE THIRD WOULD BE AS PROJECTS ARE CLOSED OUT AND WE MAY NOT NEED BUDGET AT CERTAIN COST CENTERS WE CAN THEN MOVE THE MONEY FROM THE COST CENTERS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO HELP BUILD UP THE RESERVES.

THOSE ARE THE THREE CHANGES WE HAVE MADE. >> QUESTIONS?

OKAY NO QUESTIONS I WILL TAKE A MOTION. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> MOTION AND A SECOND. FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE FAVOR

INDICATE BY SAYING AYE OPPOSED SAME SIDE CARRIES 5-0. >> ITEM 22 BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS.

[22. FY 21/22 Budget Adjustments & Resolution (R. Kantor)]

HERE COMES AUBURN CHIEF BUDGET ADJUSTER. >> HELLO I AM THE BUDGET MANAGER. THIS ITEM ADDRESSES THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS. ONE IS THE RECALCULATION OF BENEFITS FOR THREE EMPLOYEES AND WE FOUND THAT THE BUDGET WAS INADEQUATE, AND ONCE I LOOKED INTO IT FURTHER, THEY NEEDED AN

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INCREASE TO COVER BENEFIT BECAUSE. ANOTHER AREA WAS FOR SOME GRANTS THAT NEEDED TO BE ADJUSTED. WE HAVE SOME THINGS AND REVENUE DOUBLE BUDGET IS ONE THAT WRAPPED UP LAST YEAR END WE HAD A BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR SO WE TOOK THAT AWAY.

OTHERS THAT HAD BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD IN JULY AND THE REVENUE SIDE WAS RECOGNIZED BUT THE EXPENSE WAS IN. THE EXPENSE FOR THE GRANT WAS PUT IN IN THIS CASE.

YOU ALSO HAVE CARRYOVER IN THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND FOR A STRUCTURE AT PUBLIC WORKS.

AND THE LARGER ITEMS WE HAVE FORD DRAINAGE $310,000 FOR THE PINE RIDGE PROJECT, TO ADDRESS THE CONTRACTS THEY HAD WITH WTI TO GET THEM THROUGH THIS PHASE. THEY ALSO HAVE THE DRAINAGE PROJECT NEAR LAKE ASBURY THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED. THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

>> QUESTIONS? >> THIS IS WHAT I WAS AFRAID OF. IT IS A RUNAWAY AND NOT OUT FOR BID. I AM NOT SAYING SUPERIOR IS NOT A GOOD COMPANY BUT THIS IS WHAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT. IT WAS AN EMERGENCY IN SEPTEMBER AND NOW IT IS DECEMBER.

CAN WE STILL CALL IT AN EMERGENCY? >> THE ROAD IS OPEN.

THE ADDITIONAL ROAD WOULD BE PIPELINING TO STABILIZE THE REST OF THE AREA.

THIS WAS WAS A DRASTIC EMERGENCY. WINTERHOUSE COULD HAVE FALLEN

INTO. >> NO DOUBT ABOUT THE. NOW I AM ASKING FOUR MONTHS

LATER ARE WE STILL IN EMERGENCY? >> AT THIS POINT, TERESA CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.

THE AREA IS STABILIZED. THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THE AREA. AT THIS POINT, I WOULD NOT CALL IT AN EMERGENCY, WE ARE JUST WRAPPING UP THE DRAINAGE IN THE AREA.

THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS THAT COULD QUICKLY DETERIORATE AND I WOULD LIKE TO RESET ANSWER BACK.

>> RICHARD COULD NOT BE A TONIGHT SO I WILL BRIEF YOU ON WHAT I AM AWARE OF AND CHARISSE CAN ADD MORE. WHEN I VISITED THE SITE, WHEN WE HAD THE BUGGY WHIP DETOUR IN PLACE I WAS CONCERNED LOOKING TO THE WEST, GOING FROM THE CONSTRUCTION GOING TOWARDS BUGGY WHIP. WE BROUGHT NGO HAZARD TO DO ANALYSIS AND WE GOT GOOD NEWS.

THERE WAS NO ADDITIONAL DETERIORATION. SO, IN TERMS OF MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING WHAT WE ARE THINKING FROM THESE ADD-ONS IS THAT THIS AREA IF THEY WANT TO ADDRESS THAT WITH THE PIPELINE IS OVER WHERE THE ORIGINAL WATERLOGGED FAILURES WHERE.

I THINK WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT TIMES THE WATERLINES BURST THERE.

SO, WHEN THEY WENT INTO TV WHICH THEY DO AFTER THEY FINISH A PROJECT, THEY SAW A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WATER RUNNING THROUGH THEIR AN INVESTMENT DRY AS WELL AS SEPARATIONS THAT WORK IN FAVOR OF PIPELINING. OUR CONCERN WAS THAT WE STILL HAD VOIDS AND ISSUES THAT COULD GO BACK AND AFFECT WHAT WE BEST FINISH. THEY DID A VIDEO AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE PIPELINING AND WE TALKED IN-HOUSE BACK-AND-FORTH DO WE GO TO THE CONTRACTOR, WE RAN SOME COST INFORMATION COST PERSPECTIVE IT MADE SENSE TO SUPPORT AND NOT RE- MOBILIZE. WE ALSO THINK THAT MAY BE AS PART OF THE BYPASS PUMPING PRIOR TO SUPERIOR CONSTRUCTION, THAT IT ALSO CAN PULL OUT SOME OF THE FINES THAT COULD HAVE CREATED A LITTLE MORE OF THE SEPARATION. I THINK IT WAS A GOOD DECISION. WE DID GET SOME GOOD NEWS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT OTHER STRETCH TO DO BUT THIS WILL GIVE US A NICE CLEAN AREA FROM THAT INTERSECTION. I THINK IT IS GOOD. ARE WE DONE, NO BUT I THINK WE MADE GOOD DECISIONS AS WE QUIT AND LONG AND WE BATTED BALL CALLS TO MAKE SURE WE WERE COMFORTABLE BECAUSE OF THE ESCALATION AND -- BATTED OUT THE COST.

>> WHAT WE DO SO WE DON'T END UP IN ANOTHER EMERGENCY? >> WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS AN ASSESSMENT OF THE REST OF THE SYSTEM. NOW THAT WE HAVE STABILIZE THE

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AREA WE CAN PLUG THE SYSTEM. IT WAS VERY PRECARIOUS TO DO THE TV AND PLUGGING WHILE WE HAD THE ISSUE. NOW THAT WE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT WE CAN NOW GO THROUGH THE ASSESSMENT PROCESS AND IN THE MEANTIME WE ARE DEVELOPING THE PROJECT THAT WE COULD USE FOR CONSTRUCTION AND WE WILL WORK TOWARDS USING THIS FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION BUT ASSESSMENT IS KEY AND MAKING SMART CHOICES. IT WILL BE, GOD THANKS, I WON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CLASS. REAL COST OF THIS WILL BE PIPELINING VERSUS

RECONSTRUCTION. >> >> PEOPLE LOOK FOR ADDITIONAL

PRODUCTS THAT WE CAN BID NEXT TIME. >> THERE WAS PIPELINING.

AS TERESA MENTIONED TO MOBILIZE ANOTHER UNIT WILL COST MORE MONEY AND THE ANALYSIS WAS COST-EFFECTIVE. IF THE BOARD MOVES BEYOND THAT, WE CAN GO IN HOUSE, I HAVE THE

NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. >> THEY WERE COMPARABLE BECAUSE OF THE UNIT COST.

I BELIEVE IT WAS A 30-INCH PIPE. WE TOOK THE PIPE AND THOSE COSTS WERE COMPARABLE AND THE ISSUE WAS PUTTING THE MOBILIZATION TO THE SITE AS WELL AS THE MAINTENANCE PAYMENTS.

WE FELT LIKE THEY WERE COMPARABLE COSTS BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, WE HAVE BEEN BLESSED BY NOT A LOT OF RAIN. WEDO WANT TO LOSE THE POSITIVE WORK BUT IT IS CRITICAL TO LOCK UP THE AREA SO WE COULD WALK AWAY AND WORK ON THE REST OF THE SYSTEM.

>> HOW MUCH MORE MONEY WE ARE IT 982? >> IT WAS UP TO 910,000.

>> HOW MUCH MORE --& >> HAVE ANOTHER $900,000 -- >> THAT IS FOR THE ADDITIONAL

PROJECT AND THE NONEMERGENCY PHASE. >> WOULD YOU CONSIDER WE WOULD

BE IN JEOPARDY OF LOSING WHAT WE ESTABLISHED. >> I'VE BEEN ON THE PREFER FOR -- FOR A FEEL OF THE CONVERSATION WE DID GET A VIDEO OF WHAT THEY HAD DONE AND THERE WAS WATER FLUSHING THROUGH THEIR YOU DID SEE SOME SEPARATION. I WOULD BE CONCERNED IF WE GET ANY SIGNIFICANT RAINS THAT COULD CREATE -- IF THERE ARE ANY VOIDS ABOVE THE SEPARATIONS THAT WOULD MITIGATE INTO WHERE WE HAVE WORKED AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

WE ARE CLOSE BUT IT IS A PAINFUL PILL TO SWALLOW, THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

WE LEARNED A LESSON TO DEAL WITH THESE SITUATIONS. I THINK AS COMMISSIONER BOLLA HAS ASKED US WE ARE LOOKING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WHERE WE HAVE THESE ISSUES AND DEVELOPING

ASSESSMENTS FOR THOSE AS WELL. >> AND WHERE ELSE HAS THIS CONTRACTOR BUILT?

>> THAT IS PARTLY HOW WE ARE FINDING THE OTHER LOCATIONS. >> HOW MANY DO YOU THINK THERE

ARE? >> AGAIN, I HAVE JUST STARTED LOOKING THERE ARE SEVERAL ONE CLOSER TO THE OFFICE HERE. WE ARE STARTING -- THE SUPERINTENDENTS ARE BRINGING IT ENTION BUT WE ARE GETTING THEM ON THE LIST. OUR HOPE IS TO CATCH THEM EARLY.

>> WE CAN'T AFFORD A MILLION-DOLLAR INTERSECTION. JC FOUND A NEW PRODUCT FOR SEALING THE JOINTS FROM THE PIPES SO, WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ADDRESS

THESE ISSUES SO WE DO NOT GET INTO A SITUATION. >> WHAT ALTERNATIVE IS THERE?

>> THAT IS WHEN I WAS THINKING. >> WE STILL CANNOT AFFORD A MILLION-DOLLAR INTERSECTION.

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>> WE BUY A HOUSE AND TEAR DOWN. >> IF WE BUY A HOUSE FOR $350,000 LIKE WE HEARD EARLIER?

IT IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION. >> MY MAJOR CONCERN IS WE HAVE FIVE MORE OF THOSE OUT THERE.

>> WE DON'T HAVE $5 MILLION LEFT TO DO THAT. TANGIBLY, THE PIPELINE IS THE KEY TO KEEPING THE COSTS UNDER CONTROL. IT IS THE EXCAVATION AND RE- STABILIZING THE AREA. WE ARE FULLY INTENDED TO USE THE MONEY TO GET THIS OUT.

HOPEFULLY, IF WE CAN PIPELINING THAT WILL KEEP THE COST DOWN. >> WHAT DOES PIPELINE COST?

>> PIPELINING, -- >> THE ESTIMATE WAS $150,000 FOR THE PIPELINING.

>> THAT WENT HAD ADDITIONAL DOLLARS BECAUSE OF THE BOYS. TYPICALLY THEY CAN BE HANDLED THROUGH YOUR PIPELINING. THE OTHER LOCATIONS, WHILE WE DO SEE SOME SETTLEMENT NEAR THE BASE SINCE WE ARE NOT SEEN WHAT WE SAW AT THE INTERSECTION. IF WE CAN GET OUT THERE AND ADDRESS IT, HOPEFULLY WE CAN KEEP IT. IN THE WORST CASE YOU ARE

REPLACING A BASIN AND NOT A WHOLE INTERSECTION. >> SO $100,000 WORTH OF PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE TO PRECLUDE $1 MILLION WORTH OF REPAIRS.

>> S, CATCHING IT EARLY. >> WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS AT ALL BUT WHAT CHOICE DO WE HAVE?

>> PIPELINING GETS RID OF THE JOINTS. THAT IS WHERE YOU START TO SEE YOUR FAILURE. WHEN WE PIPELINE, WE WILL GIVE THE FOLKS THAT COME AFTER ME A GOOD 50 YEARS OF SYSTEMS THAT WORK. SO, THAT IS A GOOD THING BUT, PIPE, CONCRETE PIPE USUALLY 30-50 YEARS IS YOUR LIFECYCLE. WE ARE WORKING IT.

WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE THE ( INDISCERNIBLE ). WE WILL JUST KEEP PLUGGING ALONG. RICHARD HAS PUT REVISIONS IN PLACE TO ADDRESS IT AS THE NEW

DESIGNS COME IN AND HE WILL DO THAT DURING THE REVIEW PROCESS. >> HOW OLD IS THE EXISTING?

IT IS NOT THAT OLD. >> 2006, 2008 -- >> WE DIDN'T GET MANY YEARS ON

THE PROJECT. >> WE DEFINITELY HAVE LESSONS LEARNED.

WE ARE USING THAT AND MAKING SURE WE LEARN FROM THAT. IT IS NOT JUST THE DEPTH OF THE ISSUE, THE SURCHARGES WE HAVE ON THE SYSTEMS MAKING IT CHALLENGING TO VIDEO.

WE DEFINITELY HAVE LESSONS LEARNED FROM ENGINEERING THAT RICHARD AND HIS TEAM ARE

ADDRESSING. >> WAS THE CONTRACTOR LOCAL?

>> I I MOVE WE APPROVE THE BUDGET AND WE USE SUPERIOR TO FINISH.

LET'S JUST MAKE SURE AS PART OF THE BUDGET RESOLUTION BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROCEDURE YOU AUTHORIZED IN THE PAST TO ALLOW THE COUNTY MANAGER TO SIGN OR EXECUTE THE AMENDMENT WITH SUPERIOR TO CONTINUE THE WORK.

>> YEAH, THAT IS WHAT I SAID. >> WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. JUST CLARIFYING.

>> YOU SAID IN A DIFFERENT WAY BUT THAT IS WHAT I SAID APPROVE THE BUDGET WITH SUPERIOR AND NOT RE- MOBILIZE AND. DOES THAT MEAN WE HAVE TO EXTEND THE EMERGENCY?

>> NO, THAT IS WHY WE WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THE BOARD STILL WANTS TO PROCEED THIS WAY.

>> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

[23. Approval of Resolution revising the Clay County Administrative Code in its entirety]

ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY THINK AYE. OPPOSED SAME.

IT CARRIES 5-0. TWENTY-THREE. APPROVAL OF RESOLUTION REVISING

THE CLAY COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE IN ITS ENTIRETY. >> THE NUMBER 23, LAST BUT NOT LEAST THIS REVISES AND REFLECTS THE CHANGES DUE TO AMENDMENT TEN WITH THE TRANSFER OF THE CLERK AND COMPTROLLER DUTIES PROBLEM BY OFFICE OVER TO THE CLERKS. IT ALSO UPDATES THE

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ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND STRUCTURE THAT I BRIEFED BACK IN JULY AND THE INCORPORATION OF DEPUTY COUNTY MANAGER AND ASSISTANT COUNTY MANAGERS AND THOSE THAT ARE BRIEFED BEFORE.

THERE IS A REQUEST FOR NONCE SUBSIDENCE CHANGE, THERE ARE TWO OF THEM, AND IF THE BOARD WOULD

PLEASE, LOOK AT SECTION EIGHT, SPECIFICALLY. >> SIX.

>> THE REVISIONS WE JUST MADE? >> YES. >> SO, ARTICLE SIX, UNDER IMPLEMENTATION, THE VERY LAST SENTENCE WE WERE REQUESTED TO MAKE A SLIGHT CHANGE TO THAT.

THE REQUESTED AMENDMENT WOULD BE THIS CODE MAY BE SUPPLEMENTED, REVISED OR AMENDED BY THE BOARD THE RESOLUTION. IT JUST SHORTENS THE SENTENCE. THE OTHER REQUEST THAT WAS MADE THAT WAS IN CONNECTION WITH ARTICLE SEVEN, SECTION FOUR, CURRENTLY THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE INCORPORATES THE PERSONNEL POLICIES, HOWEVER, AS YOU NOW KNOW YOU HAVE THE GRANTS POLICY THE BUDGET POLICY SO YOU WILL HAVE MORE POLICIES COMING BEFORE YOU THE REQUEST WAS TO MAKE IT SHORTENED MORSE'S THINK SO THIS WILL BE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ADAPTED BY THE BOARD THAT MAY BE AMENDED AND FURTHER AMENDED FROM TIME TO TIME INCORPORATED BY REFERENCE INTO THIS COLD AS SET OUT IN FULL. IT WON'T PROVIDE A BLISS BUT IT WILL INCLUDE ALL OF THE POLICIES

THAT YOU ALREADY ADOPTED. >> IT WILL KEEP US FROM AMENDING THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE EACH

TIME. >> ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR THE COUNTY MANAGER?

>> A MOTION AND A SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR INDICATE BY SAYING AYE IT CARRIES 5-0.

[25. 5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing for consideration of a Resolution designating the real property located at 1914 Bryce Landing Way, Middleburg, Florida, Parcel ID Number 05-05-25-009018-000-00, as a Brownfield Area pursuant to Section 376.80(2)(c), Florida Statutes]

NOW WE WILL GO TO TIME CERTAIN ITEM NUMBER 25. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING OF CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE REAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1914 BRYCE LANDING

WAY. >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING US A CHANCE TO MAKE IT HERE WE APOLOGIZE FOR BEING TARDY. MY NAME IS JAKE.

I LIVE AT 6530 SOUTHWEST 47TH STREET IN MIAMI, FLORIDA. I AM ONE OF THE SENIOR VPS OF DEVELOPMENT WITH HOUSING TRUST GROUP. WE ARE THE DEVELOPER CARRYING OUT THIS COMMUNITY ON COUNTY ROAD. A LITTLE HISTORY ON THE DEVELOPMENT WE HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO MAKING THIS A REALITY FOR FIVE YEARS.

I THINK COMMISSIONER BOLLA AND CELLA WHILE THE BOARD. 4-5 YEARS AGO WE WERE FORTUNATE, TO STAY COMMITTED AND PERMIT THE DEVELOPMENT AND START CONSTRUCTION.

ULTIMATELY, IT WILL PROVIDE HOUSING FOR 96 FAMILIES WITH RENT RANGE FROM $500 FOR A HANDFUL OF UNITS BUT MOSTLY 800-$1,200 BETWEEN 1-3 BEDROOM UNITS.

WE ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I GAVE THAT BACKGROUND BECAUSE, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE DOING DILIGENCE ON THE COMMUNITY, ABOUT A YEAR END A HALF AGO, LIKE ANY DEVELOPMENT, WE DO ENVIRONMENTAL TESTING AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE FOUND OUT, THERE WAS DEPRESSION IN THE SOIL AND COULD BE CONCERNS OF CONTAMINATION OR PERCEPTION OF CONTAMINATION. OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE WORKED WITH GOLDSTEIN LAW FIRM, STRATEGIC SYSTEMS, ROBERT AS ONE OF OUR TAX EXPERTS WITH HERE.

AND WE HAVE DONE 15-20 OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE STATE. AS THE PROGRAM THAT WE UTILIZE, IT CAN SOUND SCARY, REALLY IT IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL. WE HAVE USED IT IN SOUTH FLORIDA AND THE WEST COAST AND I HAVE LED PROJECTS IN PALM COAST AND TALLAHASSEE WHERE WE HAVE USED

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IT AS WELL. I KNOW THERE HAS BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE ARE LOOKING FOR THIS AND IF IT IS JUST PERCEPTION ARE NOT TRUE CONTAMINATION AND HOW DOES THAT WORK. I THINK THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE GET FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMISSIONS. IT IS NOT A WELL-KNOWN PROGRAM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD COME UP WITH A SENSE OF FEAR AT WHAT IS GOING ON. ONE THING MOST INTERESTING TO ME WHEN I SENT THIS OUT AND I PROVIDED TO THE COMMISSION IS A MAP OF THE GREEN COVE SPRINGS AREA THAT ENCOMPASSES A LARGE LOT INCLUDING WHERE THIS BUILDING IS THAT TECHNICALLY IS A BROWNFIELD AREA EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK ANYONE HERE OR PROJECTS PUT INTO PLACE ARE CONSIDERED CONTAMINATION. WE LOOK AT IT AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TOOL.

I SAY THAT WHEN YOU ARE LEADING ANY DEVELOPMENT, AS YOU ARE LOOKING AT YOUR BUDGET AND DECIDING HOW TO MAKE DECISIONS ON UNITS AND THE LEVEL OF FINISHES, THOSE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO BUDGET AND LOOK AT. WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM AND HOW WILL YOU FINANCE THAT.

WHEN I SENT IT TO THEM THEY SAID THIS IS A NO-BRAINER. IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS WE WILL TAKE IT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS. ULTIMATELY THE STATE AS SET THIS UP AND THIS MEETS ALL OF THE CRITERIA. WE PUT OUT THE PROJECT TO BID.

WE SAW SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND IT WAS HE FOR ME TOO GO TO SAY WE NEED TO SPEND THIS MONEY TO CREATE JUST ONE OF THE BEST COMMUNITIES THAT THIS COMMISSION AND COUNTY WILL SEE BECAUSE WE WANT TO SEE THIS AND IT'S OKAY IF WE SPEND MONEY ON UPDATED FLOORING.