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          >> FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS WE AGREED ON A MOMENT OF 
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SILENCE SO IF WE WILL STAND AND THEN FALL INTO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR WHICH HE WROTE LEAD 
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          US IN THE PLEDGE PLEASE? >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH 
          LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU, PLEASE BE SEATED. 
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I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE TONIGHT. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. I KNOW IT'S A BUSY SEASON AND PEOPLE HAVE A LOT ON THEIR AGENDA SO WE WILL TRY TO MOVE THROUGH THE MEETING AS QUICK AS WE CAN. 
          NOT STALLING ANY DISCUSSION BUT EVERYBODY HAS THINGS TO DO. 
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LET'S START WITH ROLL CALL. LET'S START WITH MR. RUSSELL YUMA THANK YOU, YES, FOR THE RECORD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COURTNEY? [LAUGHTER] COURTNEY GRAHAM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY, KRISTI? HANNAH? VERY GOOD. FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE. 
          VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR 
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ATTENDING. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE LAST MEETING MINUTES. 
          HAS EVERYBODY HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THEM? 
          >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND OR ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS, DELETIONS OR ADDITIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? SEEING NONE WILL CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MINUTES SAY AYE. 
          ALTHOUGH SUPPOSED? OKAY, THE MOTION CARRIES AND THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED. BEFORE WE START THE DISCUSSION 
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ITEM WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND THIS IS A TIME WHERE YOU CAN CHOOSE TO GET UP AND SPEAK AND IF YOU DO SO YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO DO SO. 
          I WILL HAVE ONE CARD HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND I HAVE TO PUT MY GLASSES ON. MR. COUGHLAN, IS IT? WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP? CHRIS, WOULD YOU START THE TIMER? FOR THE RECORD PLEASE STATE 
          YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> DAVID COUGHLAN, ADDRESS]. A FEW THOUGHTS ABOUT TERM LIMITS. IF NO MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THE FLORIDA GOVERNOR, FLORIDA CABINET, THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, IT MAKES SENSE TO ASK, WHY NOT ALIGN OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES TO NO MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS AS WELL? GIVEN THE OPTION, THE CLAY COUNTY ELECTORATE WILL APPROVE THE TERM LIMIT THAT ALIGNS WITH FLORIDA STATEWIDE OFFICES. GOVERNANCE AT THE STATE LEVEL HAS NOT SUFFERED. THERE'S NO REASON THAT CLAY COUNTY GOVERNANCE WILL AS WELL. THE CLAY COUNTY ELECTORATE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CAREERISTS AND ELECTED OFFICE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, SIR. CHRIS? ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? OKAY, SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND OPEN UP 
          [DISCUSSION ITEMS]
THE FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM WHICH WAS AN OVERVIEW OF THE CLAY COUNTY CHARTER. MARK, SIR, IF YOU WOULD, 
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PLEASE, THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT THIS EVENING AND REVISITING THE CLAY COUNTY WHERE YOU SPENT MANY YEARS. 
          >> I SPENT MANY YEARS STANDING IN THAT CHAIR. 
          >> COURTNEY CAN'T ARREST ME. >> THANK YOU SIR. 
          YOUR PRESENTATION THIS EVENING. >> IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT AN OVERVIEW OF THE CHARTER YOU CAN'T KIND OF LOOK AT THE TABLE OF CONTENTS AND I THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE BACK STORY ABOUT THE CHARTER GOVERNMENT SO WE WOULD HAVE SOME CONTEXT. FOR MUCH OF THE 19TH CENTURY AND TWO THIRDS OF THE 20TH CENTURY FLORIDA OPERATED UNDER THE 1885 CONSTITUTION AND IT WAS GREAT FOR ITS TIME IT WAS CLEAR THAT WE NEEDED A MORE MODERN GOVERNANCE DOCUMENT A CONSTITUTION REVISION COMMISSION WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE 1968 CONSTITUTION SO WE OPERATE UNDER THAT NOW. 
          PRIOR TO THAT TIME COUNTIES EXISTED BUT THEY WERE REALLY SUBSIDIARIES AND STILL ARE IN A SENSE, SUBSIDIARIES OF STATE GOVERNMENT. STATE GOVERNMENT WAS MUCH SMALLER AND MUCH MORE MUCH LESS INVOLVED IN THE AFFAIRS OF PEOPLE'S LIVES IN TERMS OF REGULATORY AUTHORITY AND THEY MET FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND THE STATUTE LOOKS ABOUT THAT THICK. THEY COULD HANDLE MOST EVERY NEED THROUGHOUT THE STATE JUST BY MEETING FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME AND HANDLING LEGISLATION AS NEEDED. 
          THAT WORKED FOR THAT ERA BUT AS THE STATE GREW IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THERE NEEDED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIVISION OF LABOR. A CONCEPT WAS EVOLVED AND IN THOSE DAYS IF YOU WERE A COUNTY THAT WANTED TO EXERCISE A PARTICULAR POWER, LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO REGULATE LAND USE SOMEHOW, ZONING, YOU HAD TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE AND GET A SPECIAL ACTS. COUNTIES DID NOT HAVE INHERENT POWERS. THEY WERE CREATURES OF REALLY THE WILL OF THE LEGISLATURE. SO, YOU HAD TO HAVE A SPECIAL ACT TO ENACT ANY POWERS. THE CONCEPT OF THE RULE BECAME AN IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND WHEN THE 68 CONSTITUTION WAS DRAFTED THE PROVISION WAS MADE FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR COUNTIES TO BECOME CHARTER COUNTIES. 
          THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE. YOU MAY ALREADY KNOW THIS BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS, NON- CHARTER COUNTIES ONLY HAVE POWERS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY GRANTED TO THEM. 
          CHARTER COUNTIES HAVE ALL POWERS OF GOVERNMENT THAT ARE NOT DENIED TO THEM BY THE LEGISLATURE. 
          THAT IS A DIFFERENCE. I WILL REPEAT THAT. 
          NON- CHARTER COUNTIES ONLY HAVE THOSE POWERS OF GOVERNMENT THAT ARE EXPRESSLY GRANTED TO THEM. CHARTER COUNTIES HAVE ALL POWERS OF GOVERNMENT THAT ARE NOT DENIED TO THEM. 
          IT IS A MUCH BROADER REACH EMBRACING THE ROLE THAT CHARTER COUNTIES COULD EMBRACE THEMSELVES AND ADDRESS THEIR OWN NEEDS LOCALLY THAT ARE UNIQUE TO THEIR SITUATIONS. 
          SO, THE ORIGIN OF CHARTER GOVERNMENT AS A CONCEPT WAS A HOME RULE NOTION. THAT WAS SOMEWHAT OBVIATED ACT IN 1973 WHEN THE LEGISLATURE GOT TIRED WITH THE NON-CHARTER COUNTIES TO GIVE THEM POWER TO DO THIS OR POWER TO DO THAT AND THEY ADOPT DID CHAPTER 5 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE WHICH IS THE COUNTY HOME RULE POWERS ACT PART ONE. 
          IN THAT ACT, IT GAVE ALL COUNTY GOVERNMENTS HOME RULE POWERS. 
          THAT WAS A WONDERFUL DAY FOR COUNTIES AND THEN OVER THE 
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YEARS IT HAS BEEN ERODED AND YOU PROBABLY WATCHED THAT AS MUCH AS I HAVE AND THE LEGISLATURES WHITTLED AWAY AT THE POWERS OVER THE YEARS. CLAY COUNTY ENTERED INTO THIS STUDY BACK IN THE EARLY 80S AND THERE WERE SEVERAL COUNTIES THAT WERE MOTIVATED TO DO THAT AND MR. JET WAS ON THE COUNTY COMMISSION AT THE TIME WHEN THE GOVERNMENT STUDY COMMISSION WAS APPOINTED. MR. BALLS I KNOW HE IS ON YOUR COMMISSION WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT EFFORT EARLY ON. 
          THE OUTCOME TO THAT WAS YES WE NEED TO STUDY THE CHARTER GOVERNMENT. THEY MET IN A 1989 A PROPOSED WHAT THEY CALL A STARTER CHARTER. 
          IT REALLY DID NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN TERMS OF THE WAY THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT OPERATED. THE WAY THEY WERE ISSUED COUNTYWIDE THERE WERE NO TERM LIMIT. 
          SO, ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS HAD THE SAME FUNCTION THEY HAD UNDER A NON-CHARTER GOVERNMENT AND THE ONLY REAL THING THAT CAME ABOUT WAS THE INTRODUCTION OF SOMETHING CALLED THE NON-INTERFERENCE CLAUSE. 
          THE NONINTERFERENCE CLAUSE SAID IT WAS NOT UNIQUE TO CLAY COUNTY, IT WAS IN MANY OTHER CHARTERS AND CERTAINLY UNDER A LOT OF MUNICIPAL ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, ELECTED GOVERNING BOARD MEMBERS COULD NOT INTERFERE WITH THE STAFF. THEY HAD THEIR CONTACT THROUGH THE CEO WHOEVER THAT WAS. AND SO, UNDER THE CHARTER HAD ONLY THE HOUSE'S THREE EMPLOYEES, TWO TO START WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER IN THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND LATER WE ADDED THE COMMISSION AUDITOR AND THAT BECAME THE THIRD ONE. 
          SO THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL ARRANGEMENT AND IT WAS A STARTER CHARTER. IT FEATURED DIFFERENT AMENDMENTS OF THE CHARTER WHICH WERE REQUIRED BY LAW AND ONE OF THE FEATURES INCLUDED PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT BY INITIATIVE. 
          AND HAVING A PERIODIC CHARTER COMMISSION MEET LIKE YOU ARE DOING TO STUDY AND PROPOSE AMENDMENTS AS DEEMED APPROPRIATE OR BY ORDINANCE OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WE HAVE HAD ORDINANCES, CHARTER COMMISSION ACTS THAT HAD PROPOSED AMENDMENTS AND CITIZEN INITIATIVES WITH PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR FLORIDA STATUTES AND I THINK IT IS PART TWO TALKS ABOUT CHARTER GOVERNMENT? YOU CAN LOOK IN CHAPTER 125 FLORIDA STATUTES IT'S ONLINE AND YOU CAN GOOGLE IT. 
          I THINK IT IS PART TWO OF CHAPTER 125 MAY BE PART THREE AND IT TALKS ABOUT THE FORMS OF CHARTER GOVERNMENT THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAS AUTHORIZED. THE ONE THAT WAS SELECTED FOR CLAY COUNTY WAS THE COUNTY MANAGER FORM. 
          WHETHER THE COUNTY MANAGER WAS THE CEO. 
          PRIOR TO THAT TIME THE COUNTY OPERATED UNDER WHAT WAS CALLED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FORM OF GOVERNMENT. 
          SMALLER COUNTIES THE BUSINESS OF THE COUNTY WAS HANDLED THROUGH COMMITTEES AND EACH COMMISSIONER HAD A PORTFOLIO OF TASKS MAY BE ONE COMMISSIONER WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF PUBLIC WORKS IN ANOTHER RECREATION AND THEY ROTATED AROUND LIKE THAT. 
          THIS ASSEMBLING OF THE POWER THROUGH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WAS NEXT STEP FOR CLAY COUNTY AND I THINK IT WAS THE FIRST COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR MAYBE NOT. 
          WHEN I GOT HERE JOHN BOLTZ WAS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. 
          THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER WAS GOING TO PROPOSE A COUNTY MANAGER FORM OF GOVERNMENT AND THAT'S WHAT TOOK HOLD. 
          THE COUNTY MANAGER IS RESPONSIBLE UNDER THE CHARTER 
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FOR ALL OF THE EMPLOYEES, HIRING, DISCIPLINING, TERMINATING, THAT IS THE MANAGERS FUNCTION THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT. 
          THE ONLY CONTROL THEY HAVE IS HIRING, DISCIPLINING, TERMINATING THE MANAGER, THE ATTORNEY AND THE COMMISSION AUDITOR. WHO CAME LATER. 
          SO, AS I SAID THE ORIGINAL CONFIGURATION WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS A NON-CHARTER COUNTY. 
          EVERYBODY WAS ELECTED AT LARGE FIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. 
          THERE WERE NO TERM LIMITS AND THERE WAS NO COMPENSATION FOR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS PURSUANT TO GENERAL LAW TO GENERAL LAW CHAPTER 145 HAS A FORMULA FOR DETERMINING THEIR COMPENSATION BASED UPON POPULATION AND OTHER FACTORS. 
          THAT IS WHAT PREVAILED FOR MANY YEARS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR TABLE OF CONTENTS YOU CAN REALLY SEE, I SAID ONE OF THE FEATURES THE MAIN FEATURE THAT WAS NEW WAS THE NONINTERFERENCE CLAUSE AND ANOTHER FEATURE WAS THE PRIORITY OF MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES. 
          UNDER CHARTER GOVERNMENT YOU CAN HAVE AN OPTION IN YOUR CHARTER THAT PROVIDES THE ORDINANCES ENACTED BY THE COUNTY TO PREVAIL IN EUNICE APOLOGIES. 
          OR NOT. SO YOU CHOOSE ONE OF THE OTHER. 
          IN THE CASE OF CLAY COUNTY THE CHOICE WAS MADE NOT TO HAVE COUNTY JURISDICTION FOR REGULATORY PURPOSES WITHIN THE MUNICIPALITIES. THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS NON-CHARTER LAW AND THAT'S HOW IT HAD BEEN BEFORE AND THERE WAS NO CHANGE. BUT THAT IS A FEATURE OF THE CURRENT CHARTER THAT COUNTY REGULATIONS HAVE NO, I SHOULD SAY THAT THEY CAN BE IN EFFECT IN CITIES BUT THE CITIES CAN OPT OUT. THE MUNICIPALITIES CAN OPT OUT. 
          SO YOUR CASINO GAMBLING, THAT CAME MUCH LATER. 
          MAYBE I SHOULDN'T COMMENT ON THAT OTHER THAN TO SAY IT WAS PROPOSED BY ORDINANCE AND IT WAS ANOTHER SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY HAD DONE AND IT CAME ABOUT IN THE ERA OF THE POKER ROOM DETERMINATION TO OPEN THE POKER ROOM IN ORANGE PARK. 
          THAT'S AN ADD-ON TO THE CHARTER AND YOU WON'T NECESSARILY SEE IN OTHER CHARTERS. THE CODE OF ETHICS WAS A NEW PROVISION THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CHARTER A REQUIREMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED BY ONE OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONS THAT SAID YOU NEED A CODE OF ETHICS AND THAT WAS AFTER WE HAD SOME TURMOIL AND SOME HARD TIMES AND SOME BRANCHES OF OUR GOVERNMENT THAT LED PEOPLE TO SAY LOOK, WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE UNIFORM SET OF RULES AND OUR APPOINTED OFFICIALS, COUNTY ATTORNEY AND SO FORTH ARE TO CONDUCT THEMSELVES. 
          SO, WE HAVE BY CODE ADOPTED A CODE OF ETHICS AND THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR YOU ONLINE. THE ENTIRE CLAY COUNTY CODE EXCLUDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. 
          THE PUBLIC IS REVIEWING THE CODE. 
          WE WERE REQUIRED TO ADOPT AN ADMINISTRATIVE CODE WHICH IS ALSO PART OF STATE LAW AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A CHARTER IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OPERATING DIRECTION FOR HOW THE COUNTY IS ORGANIZED, THE DEPARTMENTS HOW THEY ARE ORGANIZED AND THE PROCUREMENT IS ACCOMPLISHED AND VARIOUS MATTERS THAT REALLY OFFER A DEAL WITH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. I DON'T THINK THE ORIGINAL CHARTER HAD THE RECALL PROVISION IN IT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WAS ADDED BY ONE OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSIONS THAT CAME IN AFTERWARDS AND PROPOSE THAT AMENDMENT THAT SAID THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COULD BE SUBJECT TO RECALL IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS THAT APPLY TO 
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MUNICIPAL OFFICERS. THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE INITIAL PROCESS THAT WAS INTRODUCED IN THE ORIGINAL CHARTER AND THERE ARE AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTER THAT WERE PROPOSED BY THE INITIATIVE AND IF YOU GO TO THE VERY LAST PAGE OF THE CHARTER YOU WILL SEE THE STABLE THAT IDENTIFIES - WHERE IS MY LAST PAGE? A TABLE OF REVISIONS LOOKS LIKE THIS. IT ACTUALLY GIVES YOU A THUMBNAIL OF THE VARIOUS AMENDMENTS THAT WERE ACCOMPLISHED AND HOW THEY WERE ACCOMPLISHED, YOU CAN SEE SOMEWHERE BY ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR INITIATIVE PETITION SALARIES, TERM LIMIT, SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICTS AND SO, IT'S BEEN THROUGH SOME ITERATIONS HISTORICALLY BECAUSE AT SOME POINT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PROPOSED SEVEN MEMBERS FOR THE BOARD. THAT WAS APPROVED, THERE WERE TWO AT-LARGE AND FIVE SINGLE-MEMBER. 
          ONE OF THE AT-LARGE WAS TO BE THE CHAIR FOR FOUR YEARS WAS TO BE A CHAIR AS OPPOSED TO KNOW WHERE EACH BOARD EVERY YEAR WHEN THEY ORGANIZE THEY ELECT THEIR OWN CHAIR. 
          THAT PAST AND IT LED TO AN INTERESTING SITUATION WHERE YOU HAD PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR THE SAME POSITION. 
          AT THE TIME THERE WAS AN INITIATIVE TO UNDO THAT. 
          THAT CAME ON THE SAME BALLOT. THOSE AMENDMENTS WERE APPROVED AS WELL SO THE VOTERS UNDID. AFTER A FLURRY OF LITIGATION IT WAS SETTLED THAT WE ARE BACK TO FIVE AND A SINGLE DISTRICTS WE HAD TERM LIMIT AND SALARY CAPS FOR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. 
          IS THIS WHAT YOU WANTED ME TO TALK ABOUT? OKAY. [LAUGHTER] LET'S SEE. 
          AGAIN, YOU ARE WELCOME TO CALL ME. 
          YOU ARE WELCOME TO CALL ME AND I CAN SAY HERE ALL NIGHT REVEILLE AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT AND I LIVED THE HISTORY OF THAT AND I WAS VERY MUCH MEANT TOWARD BY THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. YOU SHAKE YOUR HEAD BUT IT IS TRUE HE WAS ON THE COMMISSION WHEN I WAS HIRED ORIGINALLY BACK IN 1986 AND HE SERVED THREE TERMS. HE WAS ALSO THE CHIEF OF SECURITY FOR THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR AT THAT TIME FCC J AND SERVED IN THAT CAPACITY TWENTYSOMETHING YEARS? 14 YEARS? AND THEN WENT ON TO SERVE AS THE CLERK. 
          HE CAME AT A VERY DIFFICULT TIME INVOLVING THE CLERKS OFFICE AND THROUGH HIS REAL, A SMART AS HE CAN BE THROUGH HIS INTELLECT AND LEADERSHIP HE MODERNIZED IT AND WE LAWYERS AND WE BROUGHT THE CLERKS INTO THE MODERN AGE AND THAT WAS THROUGH HIS LEADERSHIP AND I TIP MY HAT TO YOU FOR THAT. 
          LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I COVERED THE RECALL AMENDMENT BY THE CHARTER REVIEW BY THE BOARD. 
          >> ONE OF THE OVERALL QUESTIONS WAS WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE CHARTER? THE FRAMEWORK. 
          >> WHAT IS IT? I HAVE GIVEN YOU THE BACK STORY THAT THE CHARTER GIVES YOU ALL POWERS OF GOVERNMENT THAT ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY DENIED TO YOU. IT IS A BAG FULL OF POWERS AND THE ONLY ONES MISSING ARE THE ONES THAT THE LEGISLATURE TOOK OUT. AND CONTINUE TO TAKE OUT. 
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SO, I WILL AND IF THIS THOUGHT AND THEN I'LL GET TO IT. 
          TODAY, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A CHARTER GOVERNMENT? I THINK ONE OF THE ADVANTAGES IS THAT YOU GET TO BE TREATED UNDER THE LAW AS A MUNICIPALITY. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WELL, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ONLY HAVE THE POWER TO TAX THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY GRANTED BY LAW AND THAT IS IN THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTION IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHARTER GOVERNMENT. IT'S SPECIFICALLY IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, CITIES AND COUNTIES ONLY HAVE THE POWER TO TAX THAT'S GRANTED BY GENERAL LAW AS OPPOSED TO A SPECIAL LAW AND CLAY COUNTY, YOU CAN LEVY A TAX ON SUNSHINE. YOU CAN LEVY THAT TAX. 
          IT WOULD NOT BE A CONSTITUTIONAL DELEGATION OF POWER. GENERAL LAW HAS TO APPLY TO EVERYONE. THERE ARE WAYS AROUND THAT BUT NEVERMIND THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. 
          SO, CITIES HAVE CERTAIN POWERS OF TAXATION THAT COUNTIES DON'T HAVE. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ONE IS THE UTILITY TAX AND CITIES CAN LEVY A TAX OF UP TO 10 PERCENT ON ELECTRIC AND ON WATER WASTEWATER AND BOTTLED GAS. 
          CLAY COUNTY IS SOME VERSION OF THAT ON THE BOOKS. 
          I AM NOT AWARE, THERE USED TO BE A COMMUNICATIONS TAX THAT COUNTIES COULD LEVY AND THAT WAS DONE IN THE LEGISLATURE AND A REFORM OF GENERAL TAX THAT WAS UNDER CONTROL OF THE LEGISLATURE IN THE COUNTIES EITHER OPTED IN OR OPTED OUT. 
          SO, THAT TO ME IS THE PRINCIPAL ADVANTAGE TODAY THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT OF THE CHARTER COUNTY WAS TO OBTAIN THE HOME RULE POWERS WITHOUT HAVING A RUN OFF TO THE LEGISLATURE TO GET POWER. AND THAT WAS LARGELY ENACTED BY CHAPTER 125 THE COUNTY HOME RULE POWERS ACT. 
          SO WHY CHARTER ANYMORE? WELL, THAT IS NOT FOR ME TO SAY. I HAVE MY OWN VIEWS ABOUT THAT CHARTERS PROVIDE PATERNITY'S AND MISCHIEF. 
          IF YOU WANT TO CALL ME I WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT BUT THERE IS A CHARTER AND WHAT MY OPINIONS ARE ABOUT AND I TOLD THEM THAT THERE WAS UNION YANG ABOUT CHARTER GOVERNMENT. 
          YOU WOULD HOPEFULLY AGREE WITH ME ON THAT, IT'S NOT ALL ROSES. 
          SO, YOU HAD A QUESTION? I'M SORRY. 
          >> IF WE VOTE TO PUT A PROVISION ON THE BALLOT AND THIS MIGHT BE A BETTER QUESTION FOR MR. CHAMPA'S BUT WHAT IS THE COST TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT? 
          WHAT IS THE COST TO THE COUNTY? >> IF IT FITS ON THE BALLOT THAT'S ALREADY GOING TO BE, IF IT FITS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE BALLOT WITH THE PEOPLE BEING ELECTED, I DON'T THINK IT ADDS MUCH JUST RENTING COST. IF YOU ARE ADDING PAGES THEN 
          YES. >> IN MY RIGHT, CHRIS? 
          >> WE DO HAVE A TRANSLATION. >> THAT'S TRUE. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> THE ONLY TIME THAT IT WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL COST WAS IF IT ADDS ADDITIONAL PAGES? IF YOU WERE ON THE CUSP OF GOING FROM FRONT TO BACK THAT WOULD ADD ADDITIONAL COSTS AND ADDITIONAL POSTAGE BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT OF THE ITEM? WITH REGARDS TO NOW WITH EVERYTHING NEEDING TO BE TRANSLATED INTO SPANISH AS WELL IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE A PLAY INTO IT BECAUSE IT'S THE BALLOT THAT WE TRANSLATE VERSUS AN INDIVIDUAL ITEM. 
          AS LONG AS IT IS AN EXISTING ELECTION THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY 
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TIME. IF YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU ARE ADDING THAT GOES ON E ELECTION FOR THAT AND RIGHT NOW ELECTIONS ARE RUNNING ABOUT 1/4 OF $1 MILLION FOR A COUNTYWIDE 
          ELECTION. >> THANK YOU MARK. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> I DIDN'T KNOW THE NUMBERS. 
          >> YES. >> MY QUESTION I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT SINCE YOU ARE HERE, WHAT CAME FIRST? DID THE STATE LEGISLATORS SAY LOOK, WE ARE OVERBURDENED BY SO MUCH GROWTH IN THE COUNTY WERE GOING TO LET YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN RULE. OR DID THE PEOPLE SAY WE WANT TO HAVE SOME FREEDOM LIKE THE STATES ACT UNDER THE ROLE GOVERNMENT TO ACT SEPARATE FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT? 
          >> I WASN'T PRIVY TO THAT CONVERSATION. 
          I KNOW WHAT THE GENERAL MOTIVATION WAS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT PROPELLED IT INTO DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK PART OF IT WAS THE LEGISLATURE WAS NOW HAVING TO TURN HIS ATTENTION TO STATEWIDE ISSUES AND DIDN'T WANT TO BE BURDENED WITH THE MINUTIA OF DEALING WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENT ISSUES. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS BUT WHICH CAME FIRST? WAS IT THE PEOPLE THAT PROMOTED THIS OR WAS IT LEADERSHIP AND GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT THAT PROMOTED THIS? DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. SORRY. 
          JIMMY, DO YOU KNOW? >> JACKSONVILLE HAVE THE CHARTER GOVERNMENT IN THE 60S AND MIAMI-DADE HAD THE CHARTER GOVERNMENT. IT WAS ALREADY THERE A LONG 
          TIME. >> THAT'S RIGHT THE CONSTITUTIONAL CHARTER COUNTIES ARE. 
          >> THAT'S RIGHT AND IT WAS IMPOSED BY THE LEGISLATOR AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT AS A GROUP WE DECIDED WE WANTED IN THE LEGISLATURE GAVE US THE POWER TO DO IT. 
          >> WITHOUT MAKING A MESS, CAN YOU OPINE, DO YOU THINK JACKSONVILLE DID SO IN THE 60S TO FREE THEMSELVES FROM THE SEGREGATION MOVEMENT? THE STATE AND FEDERAL 
          GOVERNMENT? >> JACKSONVILLE WAS DEALING WITH A HUGE CORRUPTION PROBLEM. GIGANTIC. 
          IT INVOLVED DEVOL COUNTY AND AT THOSE DAYS IT WAS NOT A BIG CITY IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CITY WAS AS FAR OUT AS RIVERSIDE AND SAN MARCO BUT ARLINGTON AND MANDARIN AND THE NORTH SIDE THOSE WERE OUT IN THE COUNTY AND THEY HAD SEPARATE COUNTY COMMISSIONS JUST LIKE THEY HAD HERE AND THERE WAS A HUGE INVESTIGATION AND THAT LED -ANNE FRANK SCOOBY WAS INVOLVED IN THAT INVESTIGATION. 
          HE POINTED THEM TO DO IT. THAT IS WHAT LED TO THE DECISION TO CONSOLIDATE BASICALLY TO ABOLISH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND TO MAKE THE CITY THE ENTIRE COUNTY, ESSENTIALLY OTHER THAN THE BEACH COMMUNITIES INVOLVED. 
          THAT'S HOW THAT CAME ABOUT. >> I AM A STUDENT OF MOTIVATION AND WHAT MOTIVATES PEOPLE TO DO THINGS. 
          SO, MY THOUGHT JUST WENT OUT OF MY HEAD. 
          YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT THE STATE LEGISLATOR HAS NIBBLED AT OUR FREEDOM IF YOU WILL FROM THE HOME RULE, WHAT WOULD MOTIVATE THEM TO TAKE BACK THAT CONTROL FROM A COUNTY GOVERNMENT STANDPOINT CONNECT WERE BURDENSOME BEFORE AND NOW THEY ARE SAYING YOU'RE NOT THAT BIG OF A BURDEN WILL TAKE IT 
          BACK? >> I THINK WE GET HURT BY SOUTH FLORIDA. I THINK WE GET HURT BY SOUTH FLORIDA. SO, YOU HAVE WHAT ARE VIEWED AS OVERREACHES OF POWER, ABUSES OF POWER IF YOU WILL, TAXATION AND WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR THAT KIND OF STUFF EARED. 
          >> FROM SOUTH FLORIDA? >> YES THAT'S MY VIEW OF IT IS THAT WE ARE THE VICTIMS OF REFORMS DIRECTED AT SOUTH FLORIDA. OKAY? AND MAYBE OTHERS. YOU ARE VERY FORTUNATE AND I'M NOT GOING TO KEEP DOING THIS BUT YOU'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE SUCH BEDROCK KNOWLEDGE WITH MR. BOWLES AND MR. JET AND MR. TIMBERLAKE AND TO HAVE THAT YOU CAN REALLY RELY ON THEM FOR A LOT OF THIS INFORMATION. THAT IS JUST MY VIEW THAT ALL OF THIS TAX REFORM THAT WE HAD TO DEAL WITH AMENDMENT ONE AND THAT SORT OF THING, IT STEMS FROM REFORM THAT WAS DIRECTED 
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TO SOUTH FLORIDA AND WE JUST GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE MESS. 
          AND I SAY NIBBLE AT IT THEY CONTINUE TO DO THAT. 
          AND, WHY? BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT IS GOING ON AND THAT'S WHY THEY DO IT. 
          THEY LOOK AROUND AND THEY GET ENOUGH NOISE OF WEED DON'T LIKE THIS AND THEN THEY GO IN AND CHANGE THE RULES AND EVERYBODY 
          HAS TO PARTAKE. >> I'M A LITTLE CYNICAL. 
          >> I APPRECIATE IT. >> I'D BEEN AT THIS FOR SO LONG AND VERY CYNICAL AND I AM A GREAT PROMOTER OF COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND I HATE TO SEE OUR LEGISLATURE NIBBLING AWAY 
          AT OUR POWERS. >> MARK, I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          I DON'T HAVE A LONG HISTORY HERE IN THE COUNTY BUT YOU MENTIONED WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE THREE ISSUES WE HAVE TERM LIMITS AND WE HAVE DISTRICT, I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT WAS THE REASONING AND WHY DO WE HAVE THAT DECISION ABOUT AT-LARGE VERSUS DISTRICT TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THIS IS A QUESTION 
          THAT'S GOING TO COME UP AGAIN. >> YOU NEED TO ASK AROUND. 
          YOU NEED TO ASK MORE PEOPLE THAN ME. 
          >> HOW ABOUT YOUR OPINION? >> I THINK THE SINGLE-MEMBER DISTRICTS AND TERM LIMITS AND THIS CAME ABOUT IN INITIATIVE PETITION. THE GROUPS THAT PROMOTED THAT MADE IT GOOD FOR THEIR OFFICIAL TO BE ELECTED AND THAT WAS IT. 
          HE DIDN'T HAVE TO CAMPAIGN COUNTYWIDE YOU DECIDE TO CAMPAIGN IN YOUR DISTRICT. INSTEAD OF THREE TERM COMMISSIONERS DALE WILSON WAS FOR FIVE TERMS? SIX TERMS. YOU SEE? AND I SERVED WITH ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE. 
          LARRY LANCASTER, THESE WERE GREAT LEADERS. 
          THESE WERE VISIONARY LEADERS WHO THE COUNTY HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF THE LONG VIEW THAT THEY OFFERED THROUGH THE LONG SERVICE THAT THEY GAVE TO THE COUNTY AND BELIEVE ME IT WAS SERVICE. I HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU DON'T GET A LOT OF CALLS THANKING YOU. 
          YOU GET THE CALLS TELLING YOU WHAT YOU'VE DONE WRONG. 
          THE OTHERS ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN. 
          IT IS MOSTLY SERVICE. SO WHY SINGLE-MEMBER AND WHY TERM LIMITS? IT WAS TO GET RID OF PEOPLE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEONE ELSE COULD STEP IN. 
          I KNOW SOME ARE IN FAVOR OF TERM LIMITS AND I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO KNOW MY OPINION ABOUT THAT BUT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GUESS WHAT MY OPINION IS ABOUT THAT. 
          I THINK IT IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BUT THAT'S JUST MY EXPERIENCE WITH IT. 
          I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH TERM LIMITS IN WASHINGTON, NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I WILL SAY THIS, WHEN YOU ARE LIMITED TO TWO TERMS, I THINK IT PROBABLY TAKES YOU THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO REALLY LEARN THE COUNTY OPERATION AND YOUR MOST IMPORTANT JOB AS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER IS THE BUDGET. 
          THIS IS THE ONE THAT SORTS OUT WHAT WERE GOING TO DO IN OR NOT OWING TO DO. ALL OF THE WISH LISTS ARE ADDRESSED IN THAT DOCUMENT. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT OR ACT THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO. I THINK IT TAKES ABOUT THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO REALLY GET INTO THAT. 
          WITH ALL OF THE RESTRICTED REVENUES IT IS EASY TO SAY WE HAVE SALES TAX. WHY CAN'T WE HIRE MORE FIREFIGHTERS OR POLICE OFFICERS? WE CAN'T. IT IS RESTRICTED REVENUE AND WE CAN ONLY USE SALES TAX FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS AND CERTAIN OTHER PROJECTS THAT YOU CAN USE IT FOR, SOLID WASTE KIND OF STUFF. IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BELIEVE THE IN'S AND OUT. IT CERTAINLY TOOK ME A LONG TIME. I HAD DO THE SHERIFF'S APPEAL AND I HAD TO LEARN FAST. SO, THE SECOND PART OF THAT EXPERIENCE, YOU ARE IN IT FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS BECAUSE YOU ARE TERM LIMITED. YOU WANT TO GET SOMETHING DONE IN YOUR IN YOUR OWN DISTRICT SO YOU'RE NOT SO MUCH FOCUS ON COUNTYWIDE, YOU'RE FOCUSED ON YOUR DISTRICT AND GETTING STUFF DONE IN YOUR DISTRICT. SO, THE FORWARD LOOK, THE OVER 
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THE HORIZON THINKING I'M NOT SAYING I WOULDN'T CRITICIZE ANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE THAT HAVE SERVED BRAVELY FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE COUNTY, WE CAN'T CRITICIZE ANY OF THEM FOR THAT. I THINK IT IS NATURAL TO HAVE THAT NOTION SUPPRESSED A BIT LOOKING OVER THE HORIZON. 
          THAT'S WHY I DON'T THINK THAT TERM LIMITS ARE NECESSARILY THE BEST SOLUTION FOR THE COUNTY. SALARIES, I THINK THAT IS A PIECE OF VINDICTIVENESS. THAT'S WHAT I THINK. 
          I THINK A GROUP REALIZED THAT THEY POSSESSED SOME POWER TO AFFECT CHANGE IN THE CHARTER AND THEY WERE VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE POWERS THAT WERE AT THE TIME. 
          THAT'S MY VIEW I DON'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY. 
          I DON'T THINK THE STATE FORMULA IS FAIR. 
          I THINK IT REALLY COMPENSATES THEM FOR THE SERVICE THEY ACTUALLY PROVIDE. I GUESS PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ABOUT THAT, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WHAT DO THEY DO? YOU WOULD HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ASKING THEM WHAT THEY DO BECAUSE WHAT THEY DO, I'M NOT SURE YOU WOULD WANT TO DO IT JUST TO GET APPOINTED TO IT. IT'S A LOT. 
          I THINK THEY DESERVE TO BE PAID MORE AND I THINK IT MAY DISCOURAGE PEOPLE WHO ARE QUALIFIED OTHERWISE TO REALLY CONTRIBUTE OR DISCOURAGE THEM FROM GETTING INVOLVED AND RUNNING KNOWING THAT THEIR SERVICE REALLY ISN'T VALUED LIKE OTHER COUNTY SERVICES ARE IN OTHER COUNTIES. 
          AND I KNOW THIS IS DONE ELSEWHERE. 
          WE MAY HAVE BEEN THE FIRST ONES TO HAVE THAT. 
          DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I'M PROBABLY GOING TO GET - 
          >> WHAT IT DOES FOR ME AND I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR EVERYONE ELSE BUT IT HELPS TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT FOR FUTURE DISCUSSIONS WHICH ARE ON OUR LIST OF TOPICS. 
          >> YOU MIGHT BE BEATING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL BECAUSE THIS IS BEEN TRIED TO GO TO THREE TERMS. I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE SEVEN COMMISSIONERS, THAT APPROACH AND THAT HAS ALL BEEN TRIED. THEY PUT ON THE BALLOT ADJUSTING THE PAY. THERE IS NO INDEXING TO IT, IT'S JUST $37,000 AND THAT'S IT. 
          IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR 15, 20 YEARS, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          THEY GET VOTED DOWN RESOUNDINGLY. 
          TERM LIMITS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          I THINK THEY TRIED TO EXPAND TO THREE AND IT GOT TURNED DOWN. 
          I DON'T THINK THE SINGLE-MEMBER HAS BEEN ADDRESSED, I THINK I JUST TRIED THAT ONE. SO YOU WOULD WANT TO GET THE HISTORY OF HOW MANY TIMES THIS IS BEEN TRIED? IT'S LIKE THE SUPERINTENDENT. 
          NO I WASN'T. YOU ARE LEGENDARY AND YOU KNOW 
          THAT. >> SO, SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          MR. MARK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND IT COMPLEMENT TO YOU IS THAT FOR EVERY CRC GROUP COMING TOGETHER THEY NEED TO HAVE THIS SO YOU CAN SCHOOL THEM ON IT AND REALLY THIS IS THIS DOCUMENT, I LOOK AT IT AND IT IS KIND OF MY GUIDELINE FOR THE COUNTY, THE OPERATION OF THE COUNTY. 
          WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE A VERY CRITICAL DOCUMENT FOR THE COUNTY. MY QUESTION IS, WHY IS FOR YEARS THE NUMBER USED FOR A REVIEW AND CAN YOU OR IS THERE SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITY TO EXTEND THAT? BECAUSE FOUR YEARS IS NOT A LONG TIME. 
          >> GOOD FOR YOU. IT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          I'M NOT HERE TO GIVE YOU THE OPINION BUT YOU CAN PROPOSE FOR THE CHARTER COMMISSION TO MEET EVERY SIX YEARS OR 10 YEARS. 
          >> IT JUST SEEMS LIKE CONSIDERING THE IMPORTANT NATURE OF THIS IT SHOULDN'T BE OPENED UP SO OFTEN THAT CREATES 
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OTHER PROBLEMS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE OVERVIEW AND THE HISTORY. I'M JUST CURIOUS. 
          >> IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIX STUFF THAT NEEDS FIXING THROUGH ORDINANCE OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION. 
          YOU KNOW? IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S NO WAY TO FIX THINGS IF THINGS ARE BROKEN SOMEHOW. 
          BUT JUST IN MY VIEW AND WATCHING IT HAPPEN, EVERY FOUR YEARS YOU HAVE THIS CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND IT IS A LOT OF WORK. EVERYBODY HAS TO LEARN CHARTER GOVERNMENT AND HAVE DISCUSSIONS IN A COMPRESSED TIMEFRAME. 
          I DON'T CARE HOW LONG YOU'RE GOING TO MEET HERE, IT'S STILL COMPRESSED AT THE END OF THE DAY. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR RESOLUTION OF ACTION, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, NO ACTION OR SOME KIND OF PROPOSAL BY JULY. 
          SO, YOU REALLY NEED LONGER THAN THAT IF YOU ASKED ME. 
          TO REALLY DIG DOWN AND STUDY IT. 
          BUT FOR MY MONEY, I THINK IT IS MONEY BETTER SPENT TO EXTEND THAT OUT. THAT IS JUST MY VIEW. 
          >> THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH US. 
          ONE COMMENT I WANTED TO MAKE AN IM FROM THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AREA. THE SINGLE DISTRICT, YOU ARE ASKING DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THINGS. 
          IF SOMEONE IN KEYSTONE HAD TO RUN AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE COUNTYWIDE WE WOULD PROBABLY VERY RARELY GET SOMEBODY 
          ELECTED FOR OUR AREA. >> HANK RUNNING WAS - 
          >> MIDDLEBURG AND THERE'S OUR DISTRICT THAT ENCOMPASSES OTHER THINGS. AS FAR AS RAISING MONEY AND GETTING OUR NAME OUT THERE WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK IN GAINESVILLE AND JACKSONVILLE. 
          I'M JUST GIVING YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF IF YOU ARE SORT OF OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND YOU HAVE TO COME IN AND RUN AGAINST PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ON DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND GET 
          EVERYTHING, IT'S KIND OF TOUGH. >> I DIDN'T MENTION THIS AND I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS BUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL REVISION COMMISSION MEETS EVERY 20 YEARS AND THIS LAST TIME THEY MET THEY PUT ON THE BALLOT MEASURE AGAIN TARGETING SOME OTHER COUNTY, I THINK TO PROHIBIT AN ALTERNATE ARRANGEMENT WHEREBY THE CLERK'S DUTIES WOULD BE DIVIDED. 
          AND SO, CURRENTLY IN THIS CHARTER THE DUTY OF THE CLERK, THE CLERK HAS THE DUTY THE CUSTODIAN OF FUNDS, CLERK OF THE COURT, PRE-AUDITOR OFFICER AND PUBLIC RECORDS BUT THOSE WERE THE FIVE FUNCTIONS GENERALLY OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THIS CHARTER, THE CLERK OF THE BOARD THE CUSTODIAN OF FUNDS AND THE PRE-AUDITOR FUNCTION WERE SEVERED AND MOVED TO THE COUNTY MANAGER. 
          THAT WAS DONE 20 YEARS AGO OR SOMETHING? YES. THERE WAS A INVESTIGATION AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT INVESTIGATION IS THAT WE NEEDE TO TREAT THE COUNTY AS A CORPORATE ENTITY WHERE YOU HAVE THOSE FUNCTIONS UNDER THE CEO. 
          AND THEN THE CLERK OF THE COURT AND THE RECORDING OFFICER FUNCTIONS WOULD REMAIN WITH THE ELECTED CLERK. 
          THAT PREVAILED FOR MANY YEARS. THE CONSTITUTION REVISION COMMISSION CAME UP WITH THIS AMENDMENT TO DO AWAY WITH THAT. 
          ALTHOUGH THE CHARTER READS THE WAY IT READS AND YOU WILL SEE ABOUT THE SEPARATION OF THOSE DUTIES SOME TO THE MANAGER AND SOME TO THE CLERK THAT'S NOT WHAT PREVAILS BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION TRUMPS THE CHARTER. 
          OKAY? COULD THE CHARTER BE CLEANED UP IN THAT REGARD? I'M NOT SURE I WOULD TOUCH THAT. WHAT HAPPENS IF IT GETS VOTED DOWN? I THINK IF YOU LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE THE LAW IS THE LAW. 
          THE CLERK IS NOW ALL FIVE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS AGAIN BY CONSTITUTION AND THAT IS HOW WE OPERATE. 
          THAT TRANSITION HAPPENED TWO YEARS AGO. 
          IF YOU GO ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF CORRECTING IT YOU'RE GOING TO 
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HAVE TO PUT IT ON THE BALLOT AND WHAT HAPPENS IF IT GETS VOTED DOWN? I THINK IT SINCE A SIGNAL OF WHY DID WE DO THIS? I'M NOT SURE. 
          IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT DEEPLY WHETHER IT IS GOOD OR WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE DONE IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING IF IT GETS APPROVED OR VOTED DOWN. IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. I SHOULD HAVE POINTED THAT OUT. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE FEATURES IN THE CHARTER THAT JUST DOESN'T APPLY ANYMORE. YOU KNOW? AND WITH THE EVIDENCE OF THE CHARTER, DID YOU MAKE A NOTATION? THE NOTES THAT EXPLAIN THAT PROBLEM, I HAVE HAD A LONG HARANGUE, I DIDN'T MEAN TO GO 
          ON THIS LONG. >> WHEN A COUNTY AND A COUNTY CHARTER OPS OUT FOUR LAKH OF BETTER TERMS OF CITY FUNCTIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, GREEN COAST SPRINGS AND ORANGE PARK, WHEN CLAY COUNTY SAYS Y'ALL DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO HAVE A NICE DAY WERE OUT OF IT, IS THAT LIKE TYING THEIR OWN HANDS? 
          >> NUMBER WHAT IT MEANS IS THIS. 
          SUPPOSE YOU HAD AN ADULT ENTERTAINMENT REGULATION AND YOU MADE IT APPLICABLE COUNTYWIDE. 
          A CITY COULD NOW OPT OUT OF THAT. 
          THEY WOULD ADOPT AN ORDINANCE OPTING OUT OF THAT AND THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? 
          >> TOTAL SINCE. A CITY ORDINANCE WILL TRUMP A 
          COUNTY - >> EIGHT OPT OUT ORDINANCE IN THE CITY COULD HAVE ONE IN THE COUNTY THE CITY WOULD PREVAIL. 
          >> THAT IS COUNTYWIDE? >> THAT IS HOW CLAY COUNTY IS ARRANGED. THE COUNTY CANNOT IMPOSE THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY ON CITIES WHO DO NOT WANT IT. 
          >> OKAY. >> ON SPECIFIC ISSUES. 
          IT IS ISSUE BY ISSUE. >> MARK, I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOUR COMMENTS AND ASK, I TRIED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WOULD THE BAR BE FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO TRY TO BRING SOMETHING TO THE VOTERS AND BEFORE YOU ANSWER, I LOOK AT THE CHARTER AND THE COUNTY CONSTITUTION AS SIMILAR TO THE U.S. CONSTITUTION IT IS AN OVERARCHING DOCUMENT. IT'S NOT WHERE YOU GO- 
          >> IS NOT FOR POTBELLIED PIGS IS IT? 
          >> NUMBER NOT IF I CAN GET THE COMMISSION TO VOTE ON SOMETHING BUT IT NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING IS BROKEN AND IT NEEDS TO BE 
          FIXED. >> THERE IS AN ALCOHOL ORDINANCE ESSENTIALLY. DOESN'T IT ADDRESS ALCOHOL? 
          >> NO. >> THAT WAS DONE BY AN 
          ORDINANCE, I APOLOGIZE. >> WHEN WERE LOOKING AT THINGS WHAT SHOULD THE BAR BE FOR THIS COMMITTEE TO BRING SOMETHING TO 
          THE VOTERS? >> THINK SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE BROKEN, OBVIOUSLY BROKEN. IS THAT YOUR VIEW? 
          >> IT IS MY VIEW. >> IT SHOULD BE VERY STABLE AND ONLY REALLY EXIGENT CIRCUMSTANCES WOULD CALL FOR SOME KIND OF TWEAKING TO IT. AND ANYTHING ELSE WOULD JUST BE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT AND THAT'S FROM HAVING SAT BACK AND WATCHED IT IN ACTION FOR SO MANY YEARS. 
          AND THAT'S HOW I ARRIVED AT THE POINT OF BELIEVING THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS OUR CONSTITUTION, JUST LIKE HE SAID AND IT SHOULD BE TREATED THAT WAY WITH RESPECT AND UNLESS SOMETHING IS REALLY BROKEN AND DOESN'T NEED FIXING. 
          >> OR THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO ADDRESSIT? 
          >> OR IF YOU FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE ISSUES, THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE THAT. THE FEATURES ABOUT THE LIMITATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN OPPOSED ON COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THOSE ARE WORTHY OF DISCUSSION. 
          BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK YOU ARE EATING YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALLS OVER WATCHING EFFORTS TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE LIKE THE REST OF THE STATE. THE PUBLIC DOES SPEAK PRETTY LOUDLY WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO IT COULD THEY LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON THESE THINGS. 
          THEY ARE THE BOSS. NOT ME. 
          NOT YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. 
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          THANK YOU MARK. >> SCOTTY? 
          >> MARK, ONE MORE TO FOLLOW UP ON YOUR POINT, I RESPECT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE CHARTER ITSELF. 
          IT IS A DOCUMENT THAT IS NOT FLIPPANT AND NEEDS TO BE CHANGED BUT WHAT VALUE DO WE BRING IN FORETHOUGHT? WE LIVE IN STRANGE TIMES OF WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND US. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO MY SUGGESTIONS BUT JUST TO TOUCH ON THIS TOPIC IS THERE VALUE IN FORESHADOW AND FORESEEING AND PLANNING AHEAD OF WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO OUR COUNTY? 
          >> WELL, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO INTERPRET THAT BUT CERTAINLY LOOKING AT OTHER EXPERIENCES, WE ARE HERE ON THE EVOLUTION OF OUR COMMUNITY. WE ARE HERE. 
          WHEN I GOT HERE WE WERE HERE. WHEN I DID THE REDISTRICTING BACK IN 1990 THE POPULATION FROM THE CENSUS BUREAU WAS 106,000 PEOPLE. THAT'S ALL WE WERE AND NOW I'M ALL GRAY FROM THE YEARS THAT WENT BY BUT WHAT ARE WE PUSHING? 240? 
          >> 225. >> SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          WHEN I SAY HERE I DON'T MEAN IN TERMS OF SOPHISTICATION BUT WHAT I MEAN IS IN TERMS OF EMERGING FROM A RURAL COUNTY TO A SUBURBAN COUNTY THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. 
          SO, WE ARE HERE AND WE HAVE OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE WAY OUT HERE IN TERMS OF EXPERIENCE AND GROWTH AND GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LOOK AT. 
          I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW THEY SOLVED OTHER PROBLEMS OR ENVISIONED OTHER PROBLEMS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OR MAYBE HAD THEM THRUST UPON THEM BECAUSE WE ARE HERE AND THEY ARE STILL HERE. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT EXCEPT TO SAY THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS GRAB WHAT YOU 
          HAVE AN INVITE SOMEBODY - >> WISDOM IS HARD TO QUANTIFY. 
          >> INVITE WHOMEVER TO COME AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. 
          THERE USED TO BE A LAWYER IN THE STATE A LONG TIME AGO. 
          HE WAS A TERRIFIC LAWYER AND WOULD COME AND TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT THIS OR THAT MIGHT BE OTHERS OUT THERE. 
          >> I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID IT BUT WISDOM IS BEST VIEWED IN 
          HINDSIGHT BELIEVE IT THAT. >> THAT IS TRUE. 
          GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL. >> MR. CHAIR? 
          BUCK SCOTTY? >> YESTERDAY, I HAVE KNOWN MR. SCREW BE A LONG TIME HIS DAD BEFORE HIM AND HE HAS GIVEN OVER THE YEARS A LOT OF SERVICE AND LEGAL ADVICE TO OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS IN CLAY COUNTY FOR YEARS AND YEARS. 
          I THINK IT IS A WONDERFUL OVERVIEW OF CLAY COUNTY. 
          I THINK IN THE FUTURE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION'S SHOULD HAVE A CLASS AND I WILL LOOK AT THIS AS AN EDUCATIONAL SEMINAR ON CLAY COUNTY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING FOR FUTURE CRC'S TO HAVE BEFORE WE EVER START THE DEBATES ON OUR MISSION AND WHAT IT WOULD BE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. 
          >> ARE YOU SAYING I SHOULD WRITE A BOOK? 
          >> YES! >> I WAS GOING TO CALL IT BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. , BEXAR! [LAUGHTER] THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY HERE. 
          IF YOU ARE GOING TO KNOW WHERE WERE GOING, IF YOU HAVE NO DIRECTION WE ARE GOING IN CLAY COUNTY YOU GOT TO LEARN FROM THE PAST AND WHERE WE CAME FROM. 
          AND LIKE MR. MCNAIR WAS TALKING ABOUT, I AGREE WITH HIM, I THINK WE NEED TO SPREAD THIS OUT NOT EVERY FOUR YEARS, WE CAN GO TO EIGHT YEARS THAT WILL BE GOOD AND DURING THE MIDTERM 
          ELECTIONS? >> YOU SHOULD SPREAD OUT THE TIMEFRAME, TOO.N OTHER WORDS THE STUDY GETS BIGGER AND NOT SO MUCH COMPRESSED BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG TO LEARN AND HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU HAVE LEFT TO HAGGLE OVER WHAT YOU'RE GOING 
          TO DO? >> AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR OPINION OF 50+ ONE TO PASS MAYBE WE CAN DO A TWO 
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          THIRDS? >> YOU CAN'T DO THAT. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY THE INITIATIVE AND AT THE SAME TIME AS ALL THE OTHER MESS OF AN ELECTION WHERE YOU HAVE THE TWO EXTRA CANDIDATES AND THEN THE AMENDMENT TO GET RID OF THE TWO EXTRA CANDIDATES AND ON THAT BALLOT WAS A MEASURE TO REQUIRE A 60 PERCENT MAJORITY VOTE TO APPROVE A CHARTER AMENDMENT. THAT WAS LITIGATED AND IT WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FIRST DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL AND THE DISTRICT COURT RULED RIGHTLY THAT THE CONSTITUTION ONLY REQUIRED A 50+1. YOU COULDN'T CHANGE THAT BECAUSE IT WAS EMBEDDED IN THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BEDROCK. 
          IT'S A GREAT IDEA. IT WAS TRIED AND APPROVED BUT IT WAS NEVER IMPLEMENTED. IT WAS BASICALLY STRICKEN. 
          >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. >> GOING TO THE EIGHT-YEAR CONCEPT THAT NOT WITHSTANDING WILL IT BECOME A DISCUSSION POINT FOR US AMONGST OTHERS? IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT WHAT ELSE YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THROUGH PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, WHAT WOULD IT - PART OF WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AND WHAT WERE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IS THE SPIN UP FOR A LOCK OF BETTER TERM FOR THE BOARD AS WELL AS A TURNOVER. 
          DEPENDING ON THE BACKGROUND AND THE MEMBERS HERE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD TURNOVER THAT WE PROVIDED FOR THOSE FOLLOWING US. 
          IT IS ALL PART OF TRAINING. AND SO, YES, EXTENDING OUT IN THE FUTURE COULD BE A RIGHT ANSWER BUT WE ALSO HAD TO DEAL WITH GETTING THE BOARD UP TO SPEED AS IT HAS IN THE PAST FOR THIS GO AROUND. IT BEGS THE QUESTION FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE WHAT ELSE WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TO HELP US? 
          >> IF I WERE KING FOR A DAY YES THERE WERE THINGS THAT I WOULD DO BUT THEY HAVE BEEN TRIED AND I HAVE TO BOW TO THE WILL OF THE VOTERS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BOSS. 
          YOU CAN ONLY TRISOMY TIMES BEFORE IT GETS THROUGH YOUR HEAD THAT THAT'S THE WAY THEY WANTED. 
          IF I WERE KING FOR A DAY I MIGHT CHANGE SOME THINGS BUT THE VOTERS WON'T LIKE THAT SO HAVE TO RESPECT THERE WILL. 
          IF SOMETHING NEEDS FIXING IT MAY BE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. IF I WERE KING FOR A DAY AND SAY WHAT WOULD I DO, I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT GOOD THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME IT IS,. I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT FOR YEARS. THAT WE IMPOSE ON PEOPLE TO COME IN AND DO THIS JOB BUT WE DON'T GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY DO IT IN MY VIEW AND I MAKE THEM COME INTO OFTEN TO DO IT AND IT'S A BIG JOB. YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO DO A LOT OF LIFTING HERE AND I THINK FOR A DOCUMENT IT SHOULD BE STABLE LIKE AT LEAST MY THEORY OF IT. YOU DON'T NEED TO COME BACK AND REHASH IT EVERY FOUR YEARS. IF I WERE KING FOR A DAY THAT IS WHAT I WOULD DO IS FIX THAT EVERYTHING ELSE IS BEEN TRIED AND I'M NOT GOING TO BOTHER WITH IT. 
          I MIGHT TAKE OUT SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT ARE THE POT REALLY PICK STUFF TO ME BUT AGAIN, THERE'S NO GOING BACK ON THAT. 
          THERE'S NO POINT IN WASTING YOUR CAPITAL, YOUR CREDIBILITY. 
          YOU START PUTTING STUFF OUT THERE AND PEOPLE START REACTING TO THAT. WELL, TEY'RE SPENDING YOUR POLITICAL CAPITAL ON THINGS THAT MIGHT BE BETTER SPENT ELSEWHERE. THAT'S THE BEST ADVICE I CAN GIVE YOU IS BECAUSE WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR CAPITAL. 
          >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WILL COME AND TALK TO YOU ANYTIME. JIMMY KNOWS THAT I LOVE TO TALK! RIGHT JIMMY? 
          >>  THANK YOU MARK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
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          >> LOOKING AT THE NEXT ITEM OLD BUSINESS. 
          IT WAS UP DATE ON THE RETENTION OF COUNSEL FOR THE COMMITTEE ANY POTENTIAL SELECTION? COURTNEY, YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE AN UPDATE AND THEN WE CAN PROCEED WITH DISCUSSION? 
          >> AT THE LAST MEETING YOU HAD REQUESTED THAT I REACH BACK OUT TO THE PREVIOUS CRC COUNSEL AND YOU HAD DONE A MOTION TO ALLOW 
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HIM TO ATTEND BY ZOOM AND REACH OUT TO HIM AND HE'S TOO BUSY AT THIS POINT AND IS NOT EVEN, DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO TAKE ON THE COUNTY AS A CLIENT RIGHT NOW EVEN WITH THE ABILITY TO ATTEND BY ZOOM. HE GAVE ME A REFERENCE FOR SOMEONE AND I HAVE INCLUDED THEIR BACKUP IN YOUR DOCUMENT WHO HE HAS REFERRED MANY DIFFERENT CASES TO. 
          THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME IS CHRISTIAN WAUGH PAY HE IS THE TOWN ATTORNEY FOR HILLIARD COUNTY AND HE DOES DRIVE UP THIS WAY A COUPLE OF TIMES A MONTH EVERY OTHER THURSDAY NIGHT AND ACTUALLY TONIGHT IS THERE MEETING IN HILLIARD. 
          HE DOES SERVE IN THIS AREA AND SERVES AS TOWN ATTORNEY FOR CALLAHAN HE SERVED ON THE ORANGE COUNTY CRC, ETC. ETC. 
          ALL THE INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AND AT REQUEST OF CHAIR I REACH OUT TO HIM TO SEE IF YOU WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING AND HE WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO SERVE. 
          AND PROVIDED SOME OTHER INFORMATION IF YOU ARE INTERESTED I CAN EXPAND ON THAT. 
          ADDITIONALLY I REACHED OUT TO MR. TAYLOR WHO HAD PROVIDED ANOTHER NAME OF GLEN TAYLOR AND I REACHED OUT TO GLENN TAYLOR WHO IS PRESENT TONIGHT AND SORT OF SOMEWHAT EDUCATED HIM ON WHAT IT TAKES AND WHAT THE POSITION ENTAILS AND HE'S ALSO INTERESTED IN SERVING AND HE DOES SERVE HERE IN CLAY COUNTY AND IS A LAWYER HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. 
          I BELIEVE THAT MR. TAYLOR CAN TALK ABOUT HIM. 
          HE DOES NOT HAVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE BUT HE IS INTERESTED IN SERVING. THOSE WERE THE TWO I REACHED 
          OUT TO. >> DO WE HAVE A BIO ON MR. 
          TAYLOR? >> YES, IT IS IN YOUR PACKET. 
          I THINK I HAD TOLD YOU BEFORE BUT THE ATTORNEY THE TIME BEFORE WAS WAYNE FLOWERS AND HE'S ALSO WILLING TO SERVE US WELL AND WE HAVE TOUCH BASES WITH HIM AS WELL. 
          >> GREAT, THANK YOU. MR. TAYLOR, DID YOU WANT TO 
          ADDRESS THE BOARD? >> I DON'T HAVE ANY PREPARED REMARKS. I HAVE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE, MY FAMILY HAS, I KNOW A NUMBER OF YOU FROM DIFFERENT EXPERIENCES OF WORKING WITH YOU AND I'VE HAD LIMITED EXPERIENCE WITH GOVERNMENT. I WAS WORKING WITH ORANGE PARK I WAS ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL COUNCIL AND WORKED WITH JOHN BOWLES ON SOME PROJECTS AND NOWHERE NEAR THE DEPTH OF MARK. 
          I AM INTERESTED IN THE POSITION I WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE. 
          MY CHILDREN ARE GROWN NOW AND I'M INTERESTED IN DOING WHAT EACH OF YOU ARE DOING HERE. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARISE IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER I WOULD DEFINITELY FIND THE ANSWER FOR YOU. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME. I HAVE BEEN HERE, DONE REAL ESTATE LAW EXTENSIVELY FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. 
          I HAVE AN OFFICE ON KINGSLEY WAS SOME PROPERTY THERE. 
          AND I DO WORK WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE HIM ON THE APPROVED LIST FOR CLOSING AS WELL AS WORK WITH DOUGAL COUNTY COUNSEL. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS UNLESS 
          YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME. >> TO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS MR. 
          TAYLOR? >> MR. TAYLOR ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WAS DOING IT ON AS ON NEEDED BASIS WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO ENTERTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 
          >> CERTAINLY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? 
          >> MR. CHAIR? I HAVE KNOWN, WERE NOT RELATED BUT. [LAUGHTER] WE SPELL TAYLOR THE SAME WAY LIKE TAYLOR SMITH AND ELIZABETH TAYLOR! 
          [LAUGHTER] >> HE IS A LOCAL ATTORNEY HERE IN TOWN AND IN THE SPIRIT WE STARTED OFF WITH WE WANTED TO USE A LOCAL ATTORNEY THAT IS FAMILIAR WITH CLAY COUNTY AND HE IS THAT. HE IS AN EXPERIENCED ATTORNEY HIS KIDS WENT TO SCHOOL HERE AND HE HAS AN OFFICE IN CLAY COUNTY SO IN THE SPIRIT OF KEEPING IT IN CLAY COUNTY WE RECOMMENDED MR. TAYLOR TO BE OUR ATTORNEY. 
          I THINK HE IS CAPABLE AND HE HAS HAD ALL OF THE 
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REQUIREMENTS. FLORIDA LAW AND FLORIDA BAR AND I BELIEVE HE WOULD DO US A REALLY GOOD JOB. 
          I RECOMMEND HIM HIGHLY. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> YES MA'AM? >> A TWO EDGED SWORD. 
          I HAVE A PROFESSIONAL WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH GLENN FOR THREE DECADES. YIKES. 
          HE HAS DONE REAL ESTATE FOR ME PERSONALLY AND PROFESSIONALLY. 
          TO MR. SCREW B!, WE HAD A SNAKE PIT OF STUFF GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY THAT CANNOT BE REALLY FULLY UNDERSTOOD UNLESS YOU HAVE THE WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF MARK'S GROOVY RELIVING IT LIKE LYNN TAYLOR. NOT ONLY IS IT A PROFESSIONAL IN TOWN HE IS THE TRACK RECORD TO GUIDE US IN OTHER WAYS. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A BIASED OPINION BECAUSE I WORKED WITH HIM FOR OVER 30 YEARS. SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T PAY FOR THE MARKET KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAVE FROM SCOTTY AND JIMMY AND GLENN. AND PERSONALLY, IF HER GOING TO WORK IN CLAY COUNTY AND SERVE IN CLAY COUNTY IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT DOES THAT EVERY DAY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> THANK YOU, OTHER BOARD MEMBERS? I HAD A QUESTION NOT SO MUCH TO YOU BUT FOR MR. SCREW B. HE IS DEEP IN THOUGHT, I KNOW. 
          AS WE ARE LOOKING AT A FIELD OF CANDIDATES IS THAT SOMETHING 
          YOU ARE INTERESTED IN? >> I HAVE AN ACTIVE PRACTICE NOW AND SOME OF MY WORK IS IN FRONT OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION. 
          I WOULD NOT WANT TO CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THINGS TO GO WRONG. SOMETIMES COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CAN FEEL THREATENED BY THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN FRONT OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION. I WOULD NOT WANT TO HAVE THOSE CLIENTS SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF MY LIAISON WITH YOU GUYS DOING THAT. CAN YOU APPRECIATE THAT? 
          >> THOUGHT ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE VERY FAIR TO THEM. FRANKLY I AM A BIT OF A CONTROVERSIAL FIGURE MYSELF JUST BECAUSE OF THE YEARS I SPENT HERE AND SO IT MIGHT NOT BE FOR YOUR BEST INTEREST FOR 
          ME TO DO THIS. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR CANDIDNESS OR. WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          >> GLENN, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? 
          >> NUMBER GUESS I ALSO KNOW STEVE RIT SO IS HE ON THIS COMMITTEE, TO? HE IS OUT TONIGHT AND I KNOW RANDY AS WELL THE SEVERAL THAT I WORK WITH. 
          I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND DECISIONS AND WHATEVER YOU ALL FEEL IS BEST FOR CLAY COUNTY I'M HAPPY TO SUPPORT THAT AS 
          WELL. >> ONE MORE QUESTION, DO YOU HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON AVAILABILITY, WORKING IN THE EVENINGS? RIGHT NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT THURSDAY EVENINGS THAT'S THE BEST FOR THIS GROUP. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IF YOU ARE SELECTED WOULD PRESENT A 
          CONFLICT?>> NUMBER I HAVE TWIN BOYS THAT JUST GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY JUST STARTED AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. SO IT'S LIKE A WHOLE NEW LIFE, REALLY. [LAUGHTER] I HAVE A PROPERTY IN FLEMING ISLAND AND SEVERAL PROPERTIES IN CLAY COUNTY. 
          >> THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> WITH THAT SAID I GUESS WE PROBABLY NEED A MOTION TO COME TO THE TABLE SO THAT WE CAN START A DISCUSSION?S THAT RIGHT? SO, DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION FOR DETERMINING WHO WE SHOULD 
          SELECT AS AN ATTORNEY? >> SO MOVED. 
          >> TO HAVE A SECOND? >> DO WE NEED A MOTION TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING OR DO WE NEED SOMEONE TO RECOMMEND AN ATTORNEY AND DISCUSS IT AND BOTH THAT UP OR DOWN? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH NEEDING A MOTION TO DISCUSS SOMETHING. 
          >> I WOULD ASK COURTNEY. IS MITCH CORRECT? 
          >> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CORRECTION. 
          WE WILL NEED A MOTION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE 
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MOVED TO RETAIN GLENN TAYLOR AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CRC. 
          >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION THAT WE RETAIN MR. TAYLOR AND IT HAS BEEN SECONDED SO IT IS NOW OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN I NEED TO ASK COURTNEY SOMETHING. 
          IS THERE ANY CONFLICT OF INTEREST FOR THOSE THAT KNOW MR. TAYLOR PERSONALLY OR PROFESSIONALLY? 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. >> GO AHEAD. 
          >> AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT RECEIVING ANY PERSONAL BENEFIT AS A RESULT FROM HIM BEING ATTAINED. 
          >> IF YOU ARE WORKING WITH HIM NOW AND SERVE? 
          >> YES. >> COURTNEY, HANG ON. 
          MR. CHAIR, DOES MR. TAYLOR NOT HAVING DIRECT EXPERIENCE IN THIS AREA OF CHARTER REVIEWS AND NOT HAVING DONE CHARTER REVIEWS OF OTHER CITIES DOES THAT CREATE AN ISSUE FOR US OR CAN HE ADEQUATELY SERVE THE COUNTY COMMISSION? 
          >> I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A LEARNING CURVE. 
          I'M SURE HE CAN DO A GREAT JOB. HE WILL JUST HAVE TO LEARN IT. 
          YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE PATIENCE THAT THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT YOU WILL ASK HIM THAT HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH AND LEARN AND BRING BACK TO YOU. 
          >> THE GENESIS OF MY QUESTION IS I HAVE A FRIEND WHO'S A DOCK FOR BUT IF I NEED A HEART SURGEON THE 2A GO TO AND I DON'T WANT HIM LEARNING ON ME. DOES THAT REPRESENT A PROBLEM? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS A PROBLEM BUT IN THE LEGAL FIELD WE CAN CERTAINLY RESEARCH IT AND LEARN IT. 
          FOR INSTANCE, IF YOUR GUT REALLY GETTING A DIVORCE YOU DON'T GO TO A CRIMINAL LAWYER. IN THIS SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES YOU'RE BEING FACED HE'LL HAVE TO RESEARCH IT AND 
          BRING IT BACK TO. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          >> COURTNEY, SORRY. I WAS IN QUICK ENOUGH. 
          GIVEN WHAT WAS JUST ASKED WOULD AN IDEAL LAWYER OR ATTORNEY FOR THIS GROUP, WHAT ALTERCATIONS WOULD YOU THEN ASK YOUR? 
          OR RECOMMEND? >> MY FIRST YEAR EXPERIENCING THIS WAS WITH MR. FAUST AND THIS IS WHAT HE HAD DONE. 
          IT WAS VERY COMFORTABLE FOR HIM AND VERY EASY FOR HIM. 
          I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE MR. TAYLOR BECAUSE OF HOW I HAVE SOMEWHAT LEARNED HOW TO DO THIS HE CAN LEARN TO DO THE SAME. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE EXPERIENCED IN THIS WE JUST KNOW THAT THEY AREN'T FROM CLAY COUNTY OTHER THAN MARK. HE'S NOT INTERESTED. 
          THE GENTLEMAN THAT HE REFERRED YOU TO DOES HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE BUT I MEAN HE ISN'T FROM CLAY COUNTY, EITHER. 
          >> MR. PRESIDENT? >> YES, GO AHEAD AND. 
          >> MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT MR. TAYLOR IS ONE THAT HAS TAKEN THE INITIATIVE AND INTEREST TO COME HERE LATE THIS EVENING TO PARTICIPATE IN OUR COMMISSION AND SO BY THAT IN ITSELF HE HAS SHOWN A FORM OF DEDICATION TO THIS JOB. 
          >> INCORPORATED YOU. OTHER COMMENTS? 
          DAVID? >> I DON'T THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE TO ASK SOMEONE TO SIT IN A MEETING WHERE WE PROPOSE SOMETHING AND OUR NEXT MEETING IS 30 DAYS AWAY. 
          THE GENTLEMAN CAN DO I'M SURE HE HAS ACCESS TO A LAW LIBRARY WHERE HE CAN FIND THE INFORMATION THE OTHER ATTORNEY WOULD HAVE PRIOR EXPERIENCE AND BE ABLE TO SPEAK OFF CUFF TO IT BUT I DON'T THINK OUR EXPECTATION IS UNREASONABLE FOR 30 DAYS. IF IT IS THE NORM FOR RESEARCH I WILL GET ACT II KIND OF EQUATION FOR ME SEEMS 
          REASONABLE. >> CHRIS? 
          >> I'M GOING TO CAVITY ON THAT AND THIS IS MORE JUST TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING ON MY BEHALF AND PROBABLY SOME OTHERS HERE BUT IN A SCENARIO WHERE AN ATTORNEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THE OFF TO CUFF ANSWER AND GO BACK AND DIG THROUGH THEIR LAW LIBRARY, THEY CAN OR CANNOT THIS IS A QUESTION SIDE OF IT PROVIDE RESPONSES THROUGH A GLOBAL EMAIL THAT WE ALL HAVE EMAILS ON THROUGH THE COUNTY, CAN THAT INFORMATION NOT BE TRANSPORTED BACK TO US THROUGH THAT EMAIL CONVERSATION? FOR EXAMPLE IF THIS GENTLEMAN WENT OUT AND GOT ANSWERS FOR US 
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AT A MEETING COULD HE NOT REPLY THAT INFORMATION TO US THROUGH A GLOBAL EMAIL TO EACH ONE OF US? 
          >> I DON'T KNOW IF THE ATTORNEY WOULD PROVIDE THAT TO TERESA 
          WHO WOULD THEN DISSEMINATE IT. >> EITHER WAY IF YOU GO TO TEXAS OR WHATEVER YOU STILL GET THE SAME INFORMATION. 
          >> SURE. COURTNEY, ARE WE ON TRACK WITH 
          THAT? >> I WASN'T TOTALLY LISTENING SORRY I WAS TALKING TO MR. TAYLOR THAT IS YOUR QUESTION WHETHER YOU HAVE A QUESTION CAN A LAWYER DO A MEMO AND PROVIDED 
          ACT II? >> CORRECT. 
          IF HE DOES IT VIA EMAIL. >> AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT REPLY 
          AND COMMENT. >> IF HE IS FEEDING US INFORMATION OR ANY ATTORNEY FEEDING US GLOBAL INFORMATION 
          WERE ALL GOOD? >> YES. 
          >> YOU TALKED TO MR. WALL WERE THERE ANY LIMITATIONS IN 
          REGARDS TO HIS AVAILABILITY? >> IS AVAILABILITY, HE COULD NOT DO THE WHATEVER THE FIRST AND THIRD THURSDAYS BECAUSE THAT IS WHEN HE IS IN HILLIARD. THOSE ARE HIS LIMITATIONS. 
          HE CAN DO ANY MONDAY OR TUESDAY BUT HIS LIMITATIONS WERE ON THOSE TWO THURSDAYS IF YOU WANT TO STICK WITH THE THURSDAY. 
          >> AND THE SECOND AND THE FOURTH THURSDAY OF THE MONTH 
          ARE WHEN THE BCC MEETS. >> YES. 
          >> THE OFF WEEKS WHICH ARE THE FIRST AND THE THIRD IF WE CONTINUE TO MEET ON THURSDAYS ARE LESS STRESS ON THE STAFF TO HELP PREP FOR THE MEETINGS, CORRECT? 
          >> YES. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WANT TO ASK WHAT THE COST WOULD TO BE INCURRED. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS AROUND $7500? >> YES. 
          THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. >> CHECK I THINK YOU ONE OF THE LAST TWO? HE WAS 7500 FOR HIS SERVICES AND HE DID NOT CHARGE FOR TRAVEL AND MR. FLOWERS THE TIME BEFORE DID NOT CHARGE FOR TRAVEL AND HE WAS $6330. 
          >> DID MR. WALL GIVE YOU HIS RATES? 
          >> YES, HIS RATES WERE HIS NORMAL PRIVATE RATE IS $350 BUT FOR PUBLIC GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES SUCH AS US AND HILLIARD AND CALLAHAN CHARGES $175 PER HOUR AND HE DOES NOT 
          BILL FOR TRAVEL TIME. >> OKAY, NO TROUBLE. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU AND MR. TAYLOR? 
          >> MR. TAYLOR ADVISED HE WOULD LIKEWISE DO A GOVERNMENT RATE AS WELL. HE SAID HE WOULD NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY AND MEET WHATEVER YOUR NEEDS ARE. 
          [LAUGHTER] THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          THE NEGOTIATORS HERE ARE CHOMPING AT THE BIT BUT THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ITEMS? NO? OKAY. WE SHOULD CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO SELECT MR. TAYLOR AS THE ATTORNEY AND IT HAS BEEN SECONDED. 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. DON'T YOU WANT TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT HIS RATE WILL BE BEFORE YOU VOTE TO SEE IF YOU WANT HIM TO BE THE ATTORNEY? DON'T YOU WANT TO NEGOTIATE THAT, FIRST? SINCE IT IS A LEARNING CURVE FOR HIM AND HE WANTS TO GET HIS FOOT INTO IT WE SHOULD GET LOWER, RIGHT THERE DOES 150 WORK FOR EVERYBODY? I THINK IT IS A GREAT NUMBER BUT WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT SOLID NUMBER BEFORE YOU VOTE DEFINITELY TO HAVE HIM OR 
          NOT? >> YES AND OBVIOUSLY TRAVEL IS NOT AN ISSUE MR. TAYLOR? OKAY. 
          SO, MITCH? 150? DO WE HAVE NOW WE STILL HAVE THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR? IT HAS BEEN SECONDED, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? 
          DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> WE HAVE NOW ADDED A COMPENSATION NUMBER TO IT AND I NEED TO MODIFY THAT MOTION OR HAVE A SECOND MOTION. I WILL WITHDRAW MY FIRST MOTION 
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AND ACTUALLY SCOTTY HAD THE FIRST MOTION, HE WILL WITHDRAW IT AND THEN RESTATE IT TO INCLUDE 150 PER HOUR AND NO 
          TRAVEL. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE RETAIN GLENN TAYLOR AS OUR CRC ATTORNEY AT THE RATE OF $150 PER HOUR WITH NOT TO BE COMPENSATED FOR TRAVEL TIME. 
          >> AND WITHDRAW YOUR PREVIOUS MOTION. 
          >> I WILL SECOND. >> I WILL SECOND. 
          OKAY. THAT'S FINE. 
          >> ,SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN IN THE NEW MOTION IS THAT WE RETAIN MR. TAYLOR AT THE RATE OF ONE HEARD $50 PER HOUR WITH NO TRAVEL AND THAT HAS BEEN SECONDED. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS TO BE MADE? LET'S CALL FOR A VOTE. 
          ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. WELCOME ABOARD MR. TAYLOR. 
          >> THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. >> YOU'VE GOT SOME HOMEWORK TO 
          DO. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THAT'S A BIG ISSUE FOR US TO RESOLVE THAT SO WE CAN LOOK AT THE TOPICS AT HAND. THE LAST MEETING WE HAD CHARTER TOPIC SUGGESTIONS AND YOU SAW THEM IN YOUR NOTES. 
          ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR ADDITIONS THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE 
          TO THAT NOW? >> YES. 
          >> LET'S PULL UP THE LIST. THERE WE ARE. 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I WENT TO THE MEETING WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE AND EDUCATIONAL FOR MY PART IT WAS LIKE A CIVICS LESSON BASICALLY AND THEY HAD SOME GOOD IDEAS AND I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE MENTION TO. DURING THIS THIS QUESTION IN OFFICE DID MOST EVERYBODY GET TOGETHER? 
          >> NO, WE HAD NINE OF US THAT MET AND WE HAVE PUT OUT AN OFFER FOR NEXT MONTH FOR THE REMAINDER. 
          FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO I WOULD CERTAINLY SAY IT IS WELL WORTH YOUR TIME. 
          >> I AM ON THE LIST FOR JANUARY AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP IN OUR DISCUSSIONS HAVING THAT BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE. 
          AGAIN, IT HAPPENS WITH OTHER CONVERSATIONS AND BRINGS YOU UP TO SPEED FOR WE START WITH THESE OTHER DISCUSSIONS. 
          >> MOVING THE CHARTER FROM FOUR YEARS TO EIGHT YEARS, I THINK WE WOULD BENEFIT FROM DOING THAT. 
          IT WOULDN'T COST US MUCH MONEY FOR LAWYERS, WE WOULD SAY THAT $150 PER HOUR AND BY MOVING IT OUT FURTHER AND I BELIEVE IN AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS LIKE WE HAD TONIGHT WITH MR. SCREWY MOST OF US THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME IN CLAY COUNTY IS SERVED ON THIS BOARD, IS A HISTORY LESSON AND ON THE BOARD IN THE RECENT ARRIVALS AND IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN VERY INFORMING. WE ALSO GAINED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT WHAT EXACTLY WE ARE CHARGED TO DO. 
          WHAT IS THE MISSION OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION? LIKE THEY SAID EARLIER, NO CHANGES MIGHT NEED TO BE MADE AT THAT TIME AND IT WILL KEEP THE INERTIA OF SOME BIG THING COMING UP TODAY AND IT'S A DEAL AND WE HAD TO CHANGE THE WAY -OUR CONSTITUTION OF THE CHARTER IN THE COUNTY. 
          I THINK THOSE OF US, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT COMMISSION IN MY 
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OPINION. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTY AS WE SET DIRECTION DOWN THE ROAD TO THE VOTERS IN CLAY COUNTY ABOUT WHERE WE THINK WE NEED TO BE AND WE WHERE WE ARE HEADED AND WHERE WE SEE OURSELVES AND WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT WE SEE IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE KNOW WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST AND WE KNOW OUR LAURELS FROM THE PAST AND OUR DIFFICULTIES AND OUR FAILURES FROM THE PAST. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD AND I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A TRAINING CLASS AWAY BEFORE WE EVER SERVE ON THIS BOARD. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, WHO THEY CHOOSE TO SERVE ON THIS BOARD IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS MADE MENTION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY POINTED FROM THEIR DIFFERENT OFFICES AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ARE NOT THEY DID BRING IT UP. 
          SO, THAT'S MY THOUGHTS ON THIS MR. CHAIRMAN. 
          >> THANK YOU. LOOKING AT THE LIST ONCE WE GET INTO THE DISCUSSION FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, TERM LIMITS AND PAY IN A NUMBER OF THINGS THESE ARE TOPICS THAT CAN BE ADDED ON. I HAD SOME TAKEAWAYS ALSO FROM A MEETING AND I'M SURE EVERYONE ELSE DID THAT HAS ATTENDED AND THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT IN LINE WITH DISCUSSION POINTS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY BE ADDED AND FACTORED IN WHEN THEY GO INTO THIS. WHEN WE GO INTO THIS LIST THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHY WHEN WE START DISCUSSING SOME OF THESE KEY ITEMS THE KEY ITEMS THAT ARE COMING OUT OF THE MEETINGS WITH THE COMMISSION WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS CANNOT BE FACTORED INTO THE DISCUSSION. 
          IT IS NOT HARD AND FAST BUT CERTAINLY IT'S GOING TO PLAY INTO THOSE DISCUSSIONS WHATEVER WE DECIDE. 
          SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT I'M SURE EVERYONE ELSE DID WHEN THEY CAME AWAY FROM THAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CRITICAL ITEMS THAT YOU THINK WE SHOULD ADD TO THIS LIST BEFORE WE START THE DISCUSSION ON THE PREAMBLE? IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT WE CAN'T ADD SOME WHEN IT COMES UP BUT IT IS AN EMERGING ISSUE AS WE START THESE DISCUSSIONS. 
          >> BEFORE WE GET STARTED IT WOULD HELP ME TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK TO US AND IDENTIFY CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEES AND IF THEY WERE VOTED DOWN VOTED UP, THEY ARE WORTH TALKING ABOUT. A VERY SENSITIVE TO THE PEOPLE AND KEEP COMING BACK WITH THE SAME THING AFTER THEY SAID NO. 
          >> I THINK THAT WE CAN PROBABLY LOCK THAT OUT. 
          SO QUICKLY STARTING, IF YOU WILL HELP ME, STARTING WITH 
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GOING THROUGH THE LIST OF THE PREAMBLE, I'M NOT AWARE OF THE PREAMBLE BEING AMENDED. THE CREATION OF A CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS HAS NEVER BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE. 
          THE ISSUE ON THE NUMBER OF COMMISSIONERS MARK ALREADY EXPLAINED THAT HAS BEEN WROUGHT UP AND LITIGATED. 
          THE SALARY HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE BY AN INITIATIVE AND 
          CHANGED. >> EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO 
          ADJUST IT? >> THERE WERE TWO TIMES. 
          2006 AND 2009. >> I THINK THERE WAS ONE THIS PAST TIME THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THE GROUP. 
          >> WHEN IT WENT TO THE SEVEN-MEMBER BOARD IF YOU WOULD RECALL WHEN THEY WENT TO THE SEVEN MEMBER BOARD THEY MONKEYED WITH THE PAY THERE AS WELL. 
          AND, THAT PAST BUT TWO YEARS LATER IT WAS UNDONE. 
          >> ON THE PAY WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT WE CAN PROBABLY TALK ABOUT IT BUT ONE THING ON THE PAY WHEN WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AFTER IT FAILED THE LAST GO ROUND AND CHRIS MIGHT HAVE SOME INFORMATION ON THIS AND THE LAST TIME IT WAS PRESENTED WE HAD A SHORT TITLE AND IT WAS TO INCREASE THE PAY VERSUS HAVING A FREEZE THAT SAYS HAVING TO COMPLY TO MAKE THE 
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          COMMISSIONERS SALARY. >> YOU CAN'T HIDE THE BALL AND I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE TROUBLE IF YOU DON'T SAY THAT THE RESULT IS TO INCREASE THEIR PAY. 
          >> YES. M WE TALKED ABOUT HOW IN THE TITLE YOU WOULD FOLLOW THE STATUTE? 
          >> ON THAT PAGE DEAL, HE SAID EARLIER IT WAS A GENERAL LAW 
          145? >> I BELIEVE IT IS CHAPTER 145. 
          >> HOW YOU WORD THINGS, LIKE YOU SAID. 
          [INDISCERNABLE] >> THAT WOULD BE FOR MR. TAYLOR. [LAUGHTER] 
          >> SO, HOW WE WOULD WORD SOMETHING, THE OTHER COUNTIES GO BY GENERAL LAW 145. IF WE WORDED IT LIKE WE WOULD MEET THE ATTORNEY IS GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THIS BUT IF WE WOULD MEET THE LAW 145, STATE LAW 145 THAT WE WOULD 
          MEET AT AND. >> THAT SOMETHING WE DEAL WITH 
          WHEN WE GET THERE. >> I WOULD SAY FOR MR. TAYLOR'S BENEFIT I BELIEVE THERE IS A CASE OUT THERE THAT SAYS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT SAYING WHAT THE RESULT WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD INCREASE THEIR PAY. DON'T THINK YOU 
          CAN PUT IT IN THE TITLE. >> I WILL BE TRANSPARENT. 
          >> A SOMETHING WE WILL GET TO. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK THE PURPOSE WHERE WE ARE AT HAS NOT BEEN DONE BEFORE. 
          IF WE GET DOWN IN THE WEEDS OF WHAT WILL DO NEXT TIME CAN WE MOVE THROUGH ALL OF WHAT'S BEEN DONE BEFORE? 
          >> THE NEXT ONE WHICH IS THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS OF A COMMISSIONER I AM NOT AWARE OF THAT HAVING EVER BEEN ADDRESSED. THE ONE WITH MAKING THE GENERIC HIS OR HER HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE ADDITIONAL QUALIFICATIONS OF A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. THE TERM LIMITS FOR CONSTITUTIONAL'S THAT HAS AND THEN THE NEXT PAGE, THE ONE EXTENDING THE APPOINTMENT OF THE CHARTER COMMISSION HAS BEEN 
          ADDRESSED. >> MR. CHAIRMAN I DID NOT MEAN TO SHORTSTOP SCOTTY I JUST WANTED TO GET TO WHERE WE WERE 
          ON THIS. >> THIS GOES BACK TO COURTNEY, IT WOULD HELP THE BOARD AND I WILL JUST SAY MYSELF IN PARTICULAR HAVING THIS HISTORY EVEN IF IT IS IN A ONE OR TWO PAGE NOTE GOING BACK TO WHAT MITCH IS TALKING ABOUT. 
          >> IT IS IN THE CHARTER, IN THE BACK OF YOUR CHARTER. 
          >> THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT PAST. 
          >> RIGHT. OR THOSE WERE CHANGES TO THE 
          ORIGINAL CHARTER. >> WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR ARE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP AND DID NOT PASS. 
          >> I THINK SCOTTY CAN ADDRESS LAST YEAR OR THE TERM LIMITS THAT TRIED TO CHANGE FOR THE BCC MEMBERS, THE SALARY, CONSTITUTIONAL'S WHICH DID PASS, THE AT-LARGE WASN'T LAST YEAR, THE ONE FOR THE CRC CAME UP AND DID NOT PASS. 
          DO REMEMBER ANOTHER ONE? >> NUMBER THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS HAD BEEN CHANGED BY THE BCC. 
          >> NO, BUT THEY HAD A PROPOSAL FOR THE BCC TO CHANGE THAT 
          DIDN'T PASS. >> IT FAILED. 
          >> RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU COURTNEY. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE BOARD AS THIS IS PART OF MY FRUSTRATION IS NOT HAVING THIS AT MY FINGERTIPS. THIS IS ONE QUESTION AFTER ANOTHER TO TRY TO GET THE HISTORY AND THUS THE FRUSTRATION OF TRYING TO CONVEY AND MAYBE I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT IS MISSING THIS BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE STAFF AND SAY HELP US WITH THIS. LET'S NOT WAIT FOR YEARS FOR THE NEXT GROUP. TO GET THEM READY. 
          SOME OF THIS BACKGROUND WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL NOW. 
          I WANT TO GET A SENSE OF THE BOARD AND SAY IN MY THE ONLY ONE THAT'S FEELING THIS WAY DO YOU WANT IT ALSO? 
          >> CAN I WEIGH IN ON THAT?OR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR ME, ULTIMATELY WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND SOMETHING THAT IS 
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GOING TO MAKE IT POTENTIALLY TO THE BALLOT FOR THE VOTER IS GOING TO CHOOSE WHETHER THEY ACCEPT IT OR NOT. 
          ARE YOU TELLING ME, MR. CHAIR THAT HAVING SOME HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE WOULD HELP US CALL SOME OF THE STUFF FOR WE EVEN GET THERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO? OKAY. 
          I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT ULTIMATELY TAKING, THE REASON WE ARE HERE ALBEIT FOR YEARS AND WE TALK ABOUT EIGHT YEARS BUT THERE'S SOME THE CITIZENS WHERE THEY LAY IN PERSONALLY OR SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING THAT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. TO YOUR POINT, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A DECISION OR NOT ABOUT SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE IN THE LAST FOUR, EIGHT OR 12 YEARS IT WAS MET WITH A STOP GATE. 
          DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? >> I AM LOOKING FOR HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE TO HELP ME COME UP TO SPEED BEFORE HE STARTED DISCUSSION ON A PARTICULAR ITEM. 
          >> I RESPECT THAT. >> I SHARE YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH THAT AND THIS MIGHT SOUND CRAZY BUT I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING IN ELLIS COUNTY IN THEIR CHARTER REVIEWS. 
          I'M NOT GOING SOUTH TO THOSE CHARTERS DOWN THERE AND WE KNOW WHY. SO WE WENT WEST AND PANELIST IS THEIRS EVERY EIGHT YEARS AND I ACTUALLY PRINTED OFF TODAY A LIST OF THEIR CHARTER TOPICS DISCUSSED IN THEIR CHARTER REVIEWS. IT'S INTERESTING AND BY THE WAY IF IN ELLIS COUNTY GOES BACK TO 1980 SINCE THEY BEEN IN A CHARTER COUNTY BUT ANYWAY, THERE TERM LIMITS WERE DISCUSSED FURTHER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND CAUSE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS AT THEIR LAST CHARTER REVIEW. 
          I ACTUALLY PRINTED OUT ALL THESE PAGES WHILE WE WERE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AND THEIR ISSUES BECAUSE I SHARE YOUR FRUSTRATION. WITH THAT I'M TRYING TO DIG OUT THE REST OF THE INFORMATION AND BACKGROUND UNDERSTANDING THAT CLAY COUNTY IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND WE HAVE MORE SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES NOW THAN WE EVER HAVE AND WE KEEP BUILDING THOSE. BUT IN OLD LAKE AS PER AREA AREA, SARATOGA SPRINGS IS COMING IN WITH 5800 NEW HOUSES, WE HAVE ANNABELLE ISLAND WHICH IS COMING AND PETERS CREEK OR WHATEVER, WE HAVE OVER 2000 HOUSES. 
          OUR DEMOGRAPHICS IN CLAY COUNTY IN GENERAL MIGHT BE GETTING YOUNGER. A LOT OF TIMES OUR DEMOGRAPHICS AND PEOPLE WHO ARE VOTING AND TELLING US OR TELLING THE COUNTY WHAT THEY WANT DONE. SO OUR POPULATION, HOPEFULLY, WILL START GETTING YOUNGER OR MORE MIDDLE-AGED. 
          MAYBE THAT WILL HELP LONG-TERM. BUT HAVING A HISTORY AND TRYING TO GET AROUND SOME OF THE OLD WAY OF THINKING IS PRETTY HEAVY IN CLAY COUNTY. IN ELLIS COUNTY IS A GOOD 
          SOURCE. >> THANK YOU, OTHERS? 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN I WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE BROUGHT UP IN OUR INAUGURAL DISCUSSION ABOUT POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE CHARTER OR ACTIONS OTHERWISE IN SUPPORT OF THE CRC, NEAR THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST IN THE OTHER CATEGORY STARTING WITH THE DOCUMENT THE CHARTER REVIEW AND PROCESS, I DON'T WANT TO BE THIS HORSE TO DEATH WE HAVE TALKED TONIGHT ON A VARIETY OF CIRCUMSTANCES MAKING THIS MORE REAL. WHETHER THE CHARTER NEEDS TO BE MODIFIED TO CREATE AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS I BELIEVE ONE THING I HEARD MARK CLEARLY SAY IS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SLIDE IS ARDUOUS AS WELL JUST LIKE THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO BE MADE LESS ARDUOUS. I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD BE CONTINUOUSLY CONSIDERING HOW WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM PART OF MY DAILY OUR ONGOING EFFORTS THAT THE COUNTY PUTS FORWARD LIKE COLLECTING TAXES AND OTHER THINGS, IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE NORMAL OPERATION THAT WE ARE SUSTAINING THIS IN SOME 
          WAY. >> THANK YOU. 
          OTHERS: >> I WAS JUST WONDERING AND I GUESS IT'S A WHOLE LEARNING, THE RULES ON HOW THE COMMISSION ACTS, DOES THAT NEED TO BE A CHARTER REVISION OR IS IT IN ADMINISTRATIVE RULE PROVISION THAT THE COMMITTEE CAN ADOPT VERSUS HAVING TO MAKE A VALID CHANGE? 
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EVEN IF YOU READ THROUGH IT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN, THERE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE RULES WITHIN EACH ONE OF THE COMMITTEES AND I THINK WE COULD DO THAT VERSUS - TO ME THE OPINION HAS BEEN TO NOT MAKE CHANGES TO THE CHARTER AND THE SUGGESTION HAS BEEN TO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE CHARTER AND THEN EXTEND THE CRC MEETING TIME OUT. I THINK TO DIGEST WHAT OUR PURPOSES ARE WE NEED TO DECIDE FIRST ARE WE GOING TO MAKE CHANGES? ARE WE GOING TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE CHARTER? OR ARE WE GOING TO ESSENTIALLY LET IT STAND THE WAY IT IS WHICH IS BEEN SUGGESTED. AND THEN WE HAVE TO ASCERTAIN THE THOUGHT OF WHETHER OR NOT THE CHANGES THAT WE MAKE NOW AND THE AMENDMENTS WE MAKE NOW IF WE EXTEND THE TIME PERIOD FOR THE MEETING TIMES SHOULD THOSE AMENDMENTS AND REVISIONS COME INTO EFFECT NOW OR LATER? I THINK WE ARE MAKING IT VERY COMPLICATED BUT I THINK WE SHOULD FIRST DECIDE IF ARE GOING TO MAKE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE CHARTER FIRST. 
          IS THAT OUR GOAL? OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO PONDER ON ALL OF THESE SUGGESTIONS AND LOOK AT THEM AND SEE IF THEY ARE TAKING CARE OF WITHIN THE CHARTER NOW OR IF WE HAVE TO REVISIT THEM? I THINK THERE IS A GOAL TO REVISIT CERTAIN SECTIONS AND THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY THE TERM LIMIT OR SALARIES AND THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM EVERYBODY IN THE COMMITTEE. I THINK AS A WHOLE WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT OUR PURPOSE IS. ARE WE GOING TO TAKE TIME DOING SO ON THIS CHARTER OR ARE WE GOING TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND SAY GOING TO LET EVERYTHING STAND AND PASS IT ON TO THE 
          NEXT CRC BOARD? >> COMMENTS? SUSIE, I'M SORRY. MS. PFISTER? 
          >> SO, I AGREE WITH WHETHER SAYING. 
          A LOT OF THE CONFUSION GOES BACK TO THE UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE ALL COMMITTED TO DOING THIS AND MY FIRST NIGHT I DID NOT SUBMIT ANY SUGGESTIONS BECAUSE I WAS RESEARCHING SOME TOPICS THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AND I WENT IN AND LOOKED AT OTHER CHARTER REVIEWS FROM OTHER COUNTIES FROM WHEN WE FIRST STARTED AND I DIDN'T WANT TO SUBMIT ANYTHING THAT I WANTED TO CHANGE BECAUSE I DIDN'T YELL LIKE I KNEW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROCESS. CLEARLY SINCE THEN I LEARNED A LOT MORE AND UNDERSTAND AND PART OF THE REASON I WANTED TO SEE IF THIS WAS ALREADY INCLUDED IN AN ORDINANCE OR STATE LAW SOMEWHERE. THAT IS PART OF THE PROBLEM AND MY SUGGESTION IF YOU DO SOME KIND OF EDUCATION THING IN THE FUTURE IF THERE ARE COMMON TOPICS THAT COME UP GO AHEAD AND HAVE SOMETHING ADDRESSED. IS THIS REGULATED BY THE STATE, IS THIS THE FREEDOM THAT WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT IT? IF IT IS ALREADY COVERED SOMEWHERE WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. THE BIGGEST UNDERSTANDING, TOO, IS WHEN IT WAS SHARED WITH ME EVEN JUST ONE WORD IS CHANGED IN THIS THE WHOLE THING HAS TO BE AMONG THE WHOLE PART HAS TO BE RE-VOTED ON. THAT LET ME UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS BECAUSE THIS ISN'T BYLAWS TO A RECREATION ASSOCIATION. WE CAN'T JUST SAY THIS IS REALLY GOOD, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE 
          THAT PERSPECTIVE. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> OTHER THOUGHTS? >> I GUESS THE QUESTION IS HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS? WE HAVE A LIST? 
          >> MR. CHAIR, TO YOUR POINT AND I'M SORRY CONNIE, I THINK WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THE TIME AND EFFORT TO PUT A SUGGESTION OUT THERE THEY DESERVED THE RESPECT OF HAVING IT BROUGHT UP AND TALKED 
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ABOUT WE TALK ABOUT IT AS A COMMISSION. 
          I DO THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE AND I'M GOING TO CALL IT A HAND-OFF PACKAGE AND I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A MORE FORMAL TERM BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE GROUPS AND WE AS A GROUP CAN SAY YOU WANT DIRECT STAFF COME BACK AND THEY WILL PROCESS THAT PUTS THAT IN PLACE. I THINK EVERYBODY CAN SERVE IN THAT CAPACITY. I THINK WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMETHING BROUGHT UP WE SHOULD AT LEAST DISCUSS IT AND THEN AS A GROUP OF 15 PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TAKE A VOTE ON IT AND DECIDE WHETHER YOU GO FORWARD WITH IT REVIEW DON'T GO 
          FORWARD WITH IT. >> I WOULD RESPOND TO THAT BY SAYING I AGREE WITH THAT. I WELCOME THAT ALSO. 
          I KNOW YOU ALL TOOK THE TIME BUT THEN WHEN WE GO WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS AND TAKE A VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT GOING TO SPEND THE TIME AND THEN GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS AND TAKE A DECISION OR A VOTE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE BELIEVE IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD TAKE TIME ON. WOULD THAT SUFFICE TO TAKE INTO 
          CONSIDERATION? >> THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE BUT I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO START TONIGHT WITH THE PREAMBLE IN ANOTHER MEETING MAYBE IT ARTICLE 1 AND ARTICLE 2 AND WE HIT EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS AND WE CAN QUICKLY VOTE ON EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS INSTEAD OF TAKING THE TIME TONIGHT TO GO 
          THROUGH. >> MAYBE TAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS IN THE LIST AND TIE THEM INTO EACH ARTICLE? 
          >> THAT WAS THE INTENT. AND AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS WHERE WE DECIDED TO TAKE THEM IN ORDER I FEEL LIKE MITCH SAID THAT EVERYONE PUTS THEIR TIME AND EFFORT IN PICKING THESE OUT AND THEN WE CAN TAKE THEM. 
          THE SCHEDULE I HAVE LAID OUT OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MEETINGS TAKES IT RIGHT IN ORDER AND EVERY ONE OF THESE WILL COME UP THAT'S BEEN AGREED UPON OR PEOPLE HAVE PUT UP OR AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS FROM MEETINGS WITH THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT COMES UP. 
          THE LAW WILL BE WEAVED IN IT AND YOU WILL SEE ON FUTURE AGENDAS FOR THOSE TOPICS WILL COME UP AND YOU CAN PREPARE FOR 
          THEM. >> SO, WITH THAT SAID, WE WANT TO START A DISCUSSION ON THE PREAMBLE TONIGHT REALIZING, OF COURSE, WE JUST SELECTED OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND HE WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO DO SOME HOMEWORK ON THIS AS WELL. 
          MY THOUGHT AND THIS IS JUST MY OPINION THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT BUT WE HOLD OFF ON ANY MOTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT WE THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO DO UNTIL NOW THAT WE HAVE OUR ATTORNEY HE CAN COME BACK WITH US. 
          IF WE WANT TO COME UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS THAT GREAT. 
          I SEE HE HAS HIS PAD OUT THERE AND HE'S ALREADY STARTING TO WRITE. LET'S HOLD OFF ON THOSE MOTIONS UNTIL WE CAN HAVE SOME ANSWERS AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT? 
          >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO AN ATTORNEY REALLY LIGHT, NOT EVERYTHING'S GOING TO NEED AN ATTORNEY OR AN ATTORNEYS VIEWS ON IT. I'M CONFUSED ABOUT THE PREAMBLE.'D BE OPEN TO SEE WHAT WAS WRONG WITH IT. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY GOOD. >> AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. 
          >> IT WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS BROUGHT UP. 
          RANDY BROUGHT IT UP AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT GOT ADDRESSED. THIS LIKE THE OTHER ITEMS. 
          >> HERE'S THE QUESTION DO WE DO IT TONIGHT? 
          >> I AM OPEN WORK COMING UP ON 9:00. 
          >> IS THERE ANY TIME LIMIT WE ARE WORKING WITH? 
          >> NUMBER. >> UNFORTUNATELY I WAS PART OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS IN THE MORNING. 
          IF YOU WANT WE CAN DO THAT. >> HE MUST'VE HAD SOME TALKERS! 
          >> WE DO HAVE SOME. >> THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING THIS FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          OKAY? AND REALIZING THAT EVERYONE'S 
          GOT TIME COMMITMENTS, TOO. >> THE FIRST COUPLE REALLY, THE 
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FIRST TWO ARE PRETTY EASY. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE AND SAY YES OR DOWN TO GET RID OF THOSE TWO. 
          >> I AGREE. >> A CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS, WE HAVE A CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION ALREADY. IF YOU LOOK AT THE BILL OF RIGHTS FROM WHATEVER COUNTY THAT IS FROM MOST OF THOSE ARE COVERED IN THE STATE STATUTE AND LOCAL ORDINANCE. 
          WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER LAYER OF GOVERNMENT FOR THAT TO KILLER ARTICLE NUMBER 2. I AM READY TO VOTE THAT UP OR DOWN NOW. 
          >> OKAY IT LOOKS LIKE WE WILL START A 
          DISCUSSION ON IT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, ARMS WITH ADDITIONAL KNOWLEDGE THAT WE GATHERED TONIGHT, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD NOT HAVE SUBMITTED THAT SUGGESTION FOR CHANGE KNOWING THAT THE DOCUMENT NEEDS TO BE AS LONG-LIVED AS IT NEEDS AND THAT THE OTHER WIDE SUGGESTION EARLIER THAT THE CURRENT PREAMBLE IS FINE. THERE'S REALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. PWHAT I AM A LITTLE GREEN ABOUT STILL IS THE NOTION THAT SELF-DETERMINATION AND HOW THAT IS EXHIBITED THROUGH THE CHARTER AND IT IS STILL A LITTLE SOMETHING I NEED TO LEARN A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT IT I THOUGHT THE PREAMBLE WAS A LITTLE MORE MOTIVATIONAL TO THE REST OF THE CHARTER AS IT REALLY IS BUT IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS I WOULD SAY I WOULD KINDLY WITHDRAW THAT SUGGESTION IF WE COULD ALL AGREE TO MAKE A MOTION AND LEAVE THE PREAMBLE 
          AS IT IS. >> OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A MOTION TO LEAVE THE PREAMBLE AS IT IS? 
          >> I SECOND IT. >> MITCH? 
          >> DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DECIDE NOT TO DO SOMETHING? WE DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION TO DO SOMETHING. 
          COURTNEY I AM LOOKING AT YOU IT WOULD ONLY BE ADDED POINT IN TIME THAT WE DECIDED THAT SOMETHING WAS WORTHY TO CARRY IT FORWARD AT THIS POINT WE HAVE WITHDRAWN THE COMET SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE MOTION UNLESS COURTNEY SAYS? 
          THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL LEAVE IT AS IS AND THAT IS TONIGHT'S AGENDA. 
          >> I AM TIPPING MY HAND HERE BECAUSE I TEND TO AGREE WE ALREADY GOT A VOTE? I DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE? 
          >> THINK MR. JETT IS RIGHT GOOD WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER LAYER OF 
          GOVERNMENT ANYWHERE. >> I WOULD SAY MR. CHAIRMAN, WE SAY NO TO THE CREATION OF THE CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS? 
          >> IT IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO NOT COOPERATE OR DISCUSS THE CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS? 
          IT IS OPEN NOW FOR DISCUSSION. >> WHO BROUGHT THAT ONE 
          FORWARD? >> RANDY. 
          >> IS THIS A TRAFFIC TICKET? >> IS THIS ONE OF YOURS? 
          >> I'M SORRY I SAID I LOVED IT VERY MUCH.>> CAN YOU COME TO THE MIC? MY ONLY ISSUE IS THIS ISN'T ON THE AGENDA. CAN WE TAKE THIS UP NOW OR DOES IT NEED TO BE ON THE AGENDA TO TAKE IT UP? 
          >> I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS. IT IS ON HERE FOR DISCUSSION. 
          >> IS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. >> IT IS ON THE PREAMBLE FOR 
          TONIGHT. >> I WOULD ADD IT IS ON HERE AS OLD BUSINESS AND IF YOU WANT TO WITHDRAW OR DISCUSS IT AS A CHARTER TOPIC WHERE IT WOULD COME INTO PLAY. 
          >> OKAY, I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO IT. 
          >> I WILL WITHDRAW IT. >> OKAY. 
          >> YES SIR. ONE OF THE THING WHILE I AM HERE AT ANOTHER TOPIC FOR THE RED LIGHT CAMERA SWITCH I HAVE SINCE LEARNED THIS COMMITTEE CANNOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT IS A TOWN THINK SO I WANT TO WITHDRAW THAT IF I CAN RIGHT 
          NOW. >> CERTAINLY. 
          >> WE ARE GOING TO WITHDRAW THIS AND - SECOND TO THE LAST 
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ONE. WE ARE GOING TO WITHDRAWAL THIS, WE ARE WORKING FROM TWO SETS OF PAPERS HERE. 
          THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, WE HAVE WITHDRAWN, FIRST OF ALL WE HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND IT WAS SECONDED ABOUT THE PREAMBLE AND THAT IS GONE. WE DECIDED NOT TO DISCUSS IT. 
          AND THEN WE HAD THE CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS, CORRECT? SO THAT IS GONE. WE ALSO HAD A REQUEST TO WITHDRAWAL THE RED LIGHT CAMERA'S AND SO THAT IS GONE. 
          MR. CHAIR, IN THE SPIRIT OF ELIMINATION. 
          [LAUGHTER] YOU CAN WORK IT HOW YOU WANT TO. 
          I'M GOING BACK TO MY SECOND AMENDMENT DECLARATION DECREE SANCTUARY I THINK WE LIVE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES? I DON'T WANT TO TEST THAT KID THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD THERE. 
          SO I WITHDRAW THAT. >> YES SIR. 
          WITHDRAW MY SUGGESTION IN THE SECOND PART FOR ME WOULD BE THE BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION THAT IS AT IN A MINISTRY LEVEL AND IT SHOULD 
          NOT BE IN THE CHARTER. >> OKAY, WE CAN WITHDRAW THAT. 
          THAT IS BULLET NUMBER 4 UNDER OTHER AND FIVE. 
          CONTINUING IN THE SPIRIT OF. [LAUGHTER] EDITING, CHOOSE YOUR WORDS WISELY. THIS IS GREAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SPEED UP FOR THE OTHER TOPICS. 
          I HAD WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE REFERENDUM FOR THE COMPTROLLER DUTIES I BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN ANSWERED UNDER 
          AMENDMENT 10 MY CORRECT? >> CAN REPEAT THAT, PLEASE? 
          >> WE CAN WITHDRAW THAT ONE, BULLET NUMBER 1. 
          I AM GOING TO HELP OUT HERE, TOO. 
          LET NUMBER 2 HAS BEEN ANSWERED AS WELL. 
          THAT WAS ALSO AMENDMENT 10 AND WE WILL WITHDRAW THAT ONE. 
          AND CHRIS, YOU HAD COMMUNITY ACTIVISTS? 
          >> I AM STILL GATHERING SOME INFORMATION AND WE ARE GETTING SOME HISTORY ON THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE IT AS IT IS FOR NOW IN CRUISE RIGHT THROUGH IT LATER OR DIG DEEPER. 
          >> OKAY. MOVING OUT THE NEXT ONE, PUBLIC 
          SAFETY COORDINATION? >> MR. CHAIRMAN LEAVE THAT ONE IN PLACE FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          >> OKAY, WE CAN LEAVE THAT IN PLACE AND FOLLOWED BY YOUR NEXT ONE, YOUR FOR THE DECISIONS OF VOTERS? 
          >> FOR THE SAKE OF EXPEDIENCY I WILL WITHDRAW THAT ONE. 
          >> OKAY. >> AND THE NEXT ONE. 
          >> MODIFY THE CHARTER TO EXISTING CITIZENS IN ZONING 
          MATTERS YOU WANT WITHDRAW THAT? >> YES. 
          >>. 
          >> LET'S MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE. 
          THE NEXT ONE IS DOCUMENT THE CHARTER REVIEW AND MODIFICATION PROCESS -ÁCUSTOMÁ I BELIEVE WE HAD A GREAT RECOMMENDATION FOR THAT THAT THAT HE HANDLED ADMINISTRATIVELY AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE NEXT FOUR BULLETS AFTER THAT WHICH WOULD BE PART OF THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT EDUCATIONAL PROCESS. 
          >> WE WOULD TAKE IT DOWN TO ACQUIRING LEGAL EXPERTISE? 
          >> NO, THAT IS IT AS WELL. >> CAN YOU SPEAK ON THE RECORD 
          WHICH ONES? >> PLEASE DO THAT. 
          >> IT IS THE CHARTER REVIEW AND MODIFICATION PROCESS FOR FUTURE GRC. UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAS BEEN DISALLOWED IN THE PAST AND WHAT EVENS ARE INFLUENCING THE CHARTER STRUCTURE AND STATE LAW WE HEARD TONIGHT AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE OBSTACLES FACED BY THE COUNTY WHICH ARE SOME GREAT MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SET UP AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DIG INTO ACQUIRING LEGAL EXPERTISE OF THE DO'S AND DON'TS OF THE CHARTER PROCESS. ALL THOSE ARE EDUCATIONAL AND ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN THINK OF IS MY DUMP BUCKET. 
          >> THAT WILL COME ANYWAY SO WE WILL TAKE THAT ONE OUT. 
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MR. KRAUT WITHDREW THE RED LIGHT CAMERA'S. 
          CONNIE, YOU HAD A QUESTION IF ANY USABLE ORDERS CLASHED WITH 
          THE CHARTER? >> I DID SOME RESEARCH ON IT AND AS FAR AS THE ORDINANCE, IN FACT I TALKED TO MR. CHAM BLISS ON THAT. THERE WAS A CLARIFICATION OF THE RESEARCH. WE WILL REMOVE THAT ONE. 
          >> VERY GOOD. THAT WAS A VERY PRODUCTIVE USE 
          OF TIME. >> YOUR LEADERSHIP IS 
          OUTSTANDING. >> GOD ALMIGHTY. 
          WITH THAT, IT PRETTY MUCH COVERS WHAT IS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF SETTING THE NEXT MEETING DATE 
          [PUBLIC COMMENT]
AND PUBLIC COMMENTS. WE WILL GET TO THAT, TOO. 
          ALL RIGHT. LET'S OPEN UP PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          [CRC MEMBER COMMENTS]
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND LOOK AT A DATE FOR THE NEXT MEETING. 
          SO, YOU CAN TAKE YOUR PHONES OUT. 
          NOW, COURTNEY THE WEEK LOOKING INTO JANUARY I'M SORRY, DECEMBER. WHEN I LOOKED AT DECEMBER THERE'S A LOT OF CONFLICT. I WAS THINKING EARLY JANUARY? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? ESPECIALLY SINCE WE JUST MANAGED TO WHITTLE DOWN THE LIST A FAIR AMOUNT. 
          WITH THAT SAID, THE JANUARY TIMEFRAME, THE WEEK OF THE 10TH AND THE 24TH OR THE BCC, RIGHT? IF WE LOOKED AT EITHER THE SIXTH OF JANUARY, HOW DOES THAT WORK? 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT MEETING WILL BE ON THE SIXTH AND WE WILL PROCEED FROM THERE. 
          7:00 START. YES MA'AM. 
          WE WILL KEEP THAT. SO, ON THE SIXTH OF JANUARY NEXT YEAR AT 7:00. ALL RIGHT? VERY GOOD. ANY FINAL COMMENTS? 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? >> MOTION TO ADJOURN.
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