PROCLAMATIONS/RESOLUTIONS

[11. Request by BFC Partnership, Limited, to amend the reverter clause included in the Quit Claim Deed from the County to BFC Partnership, Limited, and to amend the Performance Agreement between the County and BFC Partnership, Limited, for the Blanding Blvd/Old Jennings Road Ponds]

THANK YOU CHARLIE. ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MOVE TO NUMBER 11.

THE REQUEST BY BFC PARTNERSHIP LIMITED TO AMEND THE REVERTER CLAUSE INCLUDED IN THE QUICK

CLAIM DEED FROM THE COUNTY TO BMC PARTNERSHIP LIMITED. >> THIS WAS BEFORE YOU AT THE LAST MEETING A QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT CLARIFIED THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITIES.

WE ARE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU WITH THE ADDITION -- IN ADDITION TO AMENDING THE AGREEMENT FOR THE QUITCLAIM DEED TO INCLUDE AN AMENDMENT FOR THE PERFORMANCE MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION TO INCLUDE THE MOWING OF THE POND AREA. MR. MILLER IS HERE ON BEHALF OF

BFC PARTNERSHIP IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> REFRESH MY MEMORY, WAS THE

DAY? >> WE ADDED AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS.

>> NOT ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY DONE IN THOSE TWO YEARS BEFORE COMING BACK TO US?

>> CORRECT. >> IT EXPIRES JUNE 24. THAT'S TWO YEARS.

I THINK IT WAS FROM WHEN IT WAS PASSED. THE CURRENT REVERTER WAS FOR

JUNE 22, WE JUST ADDED TWO YEARS. >> THE ORIGINAL QUICK CLAIM DEED HAD TWO PRONGS THE FIRST WOULD EXPIRE IN DECEMBER WE ARE EXTENDING THE OTHER ONE FOR TWO

YEARS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? THE QUESTIONS.

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SEEN NO QUESTIONS I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> MOTION BY COMMISSIONER, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES 5-0.

[12. Equitable Sharing Agreement and Certification Between the Clay County Sheriff and Clay County Board of County Commissioners (V. Adams)]

GO TO NEW BUSINESS NUMBER 12 ON YOUR AGENDA, IT IS THE EQUITABLE SHARING AGREEMENT AND CERTIFICATION BETWEEN THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF AND CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.

WHO WILL HANDLE THAT ONE? I AM HERE TO REQUEST APPROVAL FOR THE EQUITABLE SHARING AGREEMENT AND CERTIFICATION BETWEEN US, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

THIS AGREEMENT AND THE REPORT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT MUST BE SUBMITTED BY NOVEMBER 30 OF EACH YEAR FOR US TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE SHARED PROCEEDS. ANY QUESTIONS AT ALL?

>> IT WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE REPORT WAS DESIGNED -- BUT INFORMATION IT WAS DESIGNED TO PORTRAY. I COME FROM A TRANCE WORLD. A CONSTRAINED ENVIRONMENT.

I LOOK FOR RESOURCE STREAMS EVERYWHERE. PART -- THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING A BIG SUM OF MONEY I THINK IT WAS $139 MILLION FOR THINGS AND WE AREN'T LOOKING FOR DIVERSITY IN OUR REVENUE STREAMS. I SAW A BUNCH OF ZEROS IN THIS REPORT AND I CONSTRUE THAT TO APPLY FOR ANY, I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE ZEROS PORTRAY EXCEPT WE DID NOT COMMIT ANY FORFEITURE

FUNDS TO THOSE LINE ITEMS. >> IN THE LATTER STATEMENT YOU MADE THAT IS CORRECT.

WE DID NOT USE PROCEEDS FROM THAT WE DO CURRENTLY HAVE A COPS GRANT THAT WAS AWARDED LAST YEAR THAT WILL CONTINUE THROUGH 2,023. THEREAFTER WE WILL HAVE TO RETAIN FIVE POSITIONS FOR 12 MONTHS. WE APPLIED FOR AN ADDITIONAL GRANT TO HIRE A MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR, THAT WAS DISAPPROVED WE DID NOT GET THAT GRANT.

>> THE MOST RECENT ONE WE NEED TO LOOK AT. GRANTS ARE AVAILABLE.

>> CRISIS INTERVENTION, VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IF ANY OF THOSE APPLY, I WOULD REALLY SUPPORT

AND PROMOTE THOSE TYPE OF GRANTS. >> WE WILL LOOK INTO THEM.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING YOU THINK WE SHOULD APPLY FOR, BY ALL MEANS REACH OUT TO US.

>> IN REFERENCE TO THE CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM WE HAVE A TEAM IN REFERENCE TO THE DE-ESCALATION TRAINING YOU MENTIONED, THAT GRANT FUNDING IS SOLELY FOR TRAINING WHICH WE DON'T HAVE. WHEN YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A SUMMARY OF OUR PAST THREE FISCAL YEARS. FISCAL YEAR 2020 WE RECEIVED $2.1 MILLION IN GRANTS.

FISCAL YEAR 2021 WE RECEIVED JUST OVER $1 MILLION IN GRANTS. THIS YEAR TO DATE WE HAVE RECEIVED $240,000 IN GRANTS SO FAR THIS YEAR WHICH THE CYCLES WILL START TICKING UP NOW THAT EVERYONE HAS THEIR BUDGET THEY WILL MAKE THE GRANT ANNOUNCEMENTS.

ON THE BACK OF THE SHEET I HANDED OUT IS THE GRANTS WE HAVE RECENTLY REVIEWED AND/OR APPLIED FOR. THESE WERE -- WE WERE EITHER NOT AWARDED OR DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE. THE IN PROGRESS LIST IS THE GRANTS WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUT RIGHT NOW, THAT HOPEFULLY WE WILL RECEIVE MONEY FOR. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STATE WILL ANNOUNCE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND WE WILL ANNOUNCE IT AS THEY FIT IN.

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>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SHERIFF WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND PERIOD ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[13. Clay County Fair Association Fairgrounds Capital Improvement Request (K. Morgan)]

ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES 5-0. >> LET'S GO TO NUMBER 13 THE CLAY COUNTY FAIR ASSOCIATION FAIRGROUNDS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT REQUESTS. KIMBERLY, ARE YOU COMING UP TO

SEE US? >> WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT, THE FAIR ASSOCIATION REQUEST TO BUILD A RESTROOM FACILITY FOR USE OF THE FAIRGROUND.

THIS WILL SERVE THE FACILITY AND THE FAIR PAY TRENDS AND ANY EVENTS THAT COME TO THE FAIRGROUNDS. THEY HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR YOU TO REVIEW.

I DO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS GOING ON AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. WE HAVE TALKED TO THE FAIR ASSOCIATION, TOSHA AND THE BOARD, THEY ARE AWARE OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONSTRAINTS AND TIMING ISSUES.

THEY ARE PROPOSING THAT THEIR PROJECT WOULD START CONSTRUCTION AND BE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT HAPPENING AT THE FAIRGROUNDS WHICH WILL BEGIN AFTER.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT TIMING. AND THEN, I WILL TURN IT OF BIRD TO TOSHA TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE PROJECT. WE DO HAVE INFORMATION NOTING THERE WILL BE AN AGREEMENT FOLLOWING THE DECISION THAT WILL HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AND WORKING WITH THE TEAM. I WILL TURN IT OVER TO TOSHA TO TALK ABOUT IT.

>> WE WANTED TO ADD MORE RESTROOMS AT THE FAIRGROUND. WE ARE LOOKING AT ADDING 12 BUT HOPEFULLY 18 DEPENDING ON HOW THE BUDGET GOES. WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT THEM IN THE MIDWAY. IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THE FAIR RESTROOMS ARE NOT EASY TO FIND OUT THE MIDWAY AND THAT IS WHERE A LOT OF PEOPLE VISIT THE FAIR. WE ARE GOING THROUGH A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND IT DID COME BACK THAT MORE RESTROOMS ARE NEEDED.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GO WRONG WITH MORE RESTROOMS AT ANY ESTABLISHMENT.

THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING TO DO. WE ARE ALSO ASKING THAT THIS WILL BE IN LIEU OF OUR RENT FOR THE NEXT THREE YEARS, 22, 2324. I DO WANT TO ADD THAT IF YOU APPROVE IT THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE WILL NOT DO ANYTHING IN THOSE THREE YEARS BUT IF WE HAVE A HORRIBLE YEAR NEXT YEAR WE HAVE THE OPTION OF NOT DOING ANYTHING.

>> I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED. >> RIGHT NOW WE ARE HOOKED UP TO THE SEPTIC WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING

ELSE BECAUSE OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. >> OKAY.

>> THIS FITS IN WITH THE OVERALL -- >> THERE WAS DISCUSSION FOR NEEDING ADDITIONAL RESTROOM FACILITIES BECAUSE OF THE CAPACITY OF WHAT WE HAD NOW WE

NEEDED TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF RESTROOMS AVAILABLE. >> ONE OF THE BIG PROBLEMS WE

HAD, WE COULD NOT ATTACK THE SYSTEM THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. >> WE WANTED MORE FLEXIBILITY.

SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO START THAT TO PUSH THE DATES SO INSTEAD OF BEING 22

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IT WOULD BE -- DOES REALLY MATTER QUICKSAND IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED

SOMETHING TO DO FOR 2022. >> YOU HAVE ALREADY STARTED AND HAVE SOMEONE UNDER CONTRACT TO DO DESIGN. TECHNICALLY THEY ALREADY STARTED EXPLORING THIS AS A PROJECT.

>> THESE WILL REPLACE THE RESTROOMS WERE LOOKING AT MULTIPURPOSE ROOMS. WERE NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THAT. I WILL TELL YOU OUR LARGEST COMPLAINTS IS TRAFFIC BUT THANKS TO THE SHERIFF AND AND HER TEAM WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS ON

TRAFFIC BUT WE DID ON. >> HOW LONG DO YOU EXPECT THIS TO --

>> IT WILL NOT BE A FIX ALL. WE WILL NEED MORE RESTROOMS. WE DO HAVE SOME RESTROOMS PLAN FOR THAT. POSSIBLY EVEN A TRAILER THIS YEAR TO HELP FIX THE RESTROOM PROBLEM FOR PROBLEM FOR 2022 WE ARE DOING BEGAN TO ADD MORE RESTROOMS.

>> WERE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE A RESTROOM PROBLEM I JUST WANT TO BRING IT DOWN ON THE BED.

BUT WILL WE EVER FIX THE PROBLEM, NO. ALL EVENT ORGANIZERS HAVE THAT

PROBLEM. >> YOU JUST HAVE TO GO TO THE STADIUM FOOTBALL GAME AND YOU

WILL SEE IT. >> WILL THAT ADDRESS -- >> WILL IN DIFFERENT PRIORITY.

>> THE FIRST PROJECT WAS TO ADD RESTROOMS. IT JUST WAS NOT ENOUGH TO MEET

THE CAPACITY OF THE LARGER EVENTS THAT WE ARE ATTRACTING. >> NUMBERS THE KITCHEN AND THE ONE BUILDING AND ADDING DICK KITCHEN ON THE BACK THE PEOPLE USING THE EXHIBIT HALL ARE JUST

MARKETED FROM OUTSIDE. >> I THINK IT IS WORTHWHILE TO MENTION, IF YOU WERE TO PAY YOUR FEES FOR RENTING THE FACILITY IT WOULD BE ABOUT $180,000 FOR THE THREE YEARS AND THIS IS WHERE A PUBLIC GETS SUCH -- TANGIBLE PROPERTY GOOD TOO. YOU GO TO DISNEY OR THE GAS STATION, THEY FOCUS ON THE RESTROOM BECAUSE GIRLS WE GET THIS BUT.

>> THIS IS WHAT WE ARE MODELING THE RESTROOMS AFTER. >> I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE

HERE TALKING ABOUT RESTROOMS BUT HERE WE ARE. >> WE DO HAVE A CAPTIVE

AUDIENCE. >> I'M IN GOOD COMPANY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, THE MOTION

[14. Rejection of Proposal received for RFP No. 21/22-5, Management of Knight's Marina Facility (K.Smith/J. Pierce)]

CARRIES 5-0. >> GOOD LUCK. >> NUMBER 14 IS THE REJECTION OF THE PROPOSAL RECEIVED FOR RFP NUMBER 21/22-5 MANAGEMENT UP NIGHTS MIRANDA -- MARINA FACILITY. KAREN SMITH WILL HELP US WITH THAT.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. WE PUT OUT THE RFP FOR THE MARINA THE CURRENT AGREEMENT

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WILL EXPIRE AT THE END OF DECEMBER. WE ONLY GOT ONE PROPOSAL FROM OUR TENNANT THAT IS THERE NOW. WE HAD A COMMITTEE OF THREE THAT REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL AND THEY SCORED ONLY 32 POINTS BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF MISSING INFORMATION.

RATHER THAN MAKING THE RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WE WANT TO REJECT THIS AND PUT THE RFP BACK ON THE STREET. THIS WOULD REQUIRE THE COUNTY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ANOTHER

EXTENSION WHILE WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> HOW LONG HAS LSA HAVE THE

PROPERTY? >> I WILL SAY ABOUT FIVE YEARS. YES, I BELIEVE IT IS FIVE YEARS&

I KNOW I WAS AT THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT THEN. >> THIS IS THE SECOND RENEWAL?

>> IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROFIT AND LOSS WAS $140,000 THAT WOULD BE ANTICIPATED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T

RUN IT THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. >> HOW MUCH DO WE GET?

CHANCE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH IT'S WORTH. >> I WILL ADD ONTO THE

RECOMMENDATION. >> WE COLLECT $1,200 PER MONTH IN RENT.

THAT IS ALL THE REVENUE THE COUNTY GETS. WE DID TRIED TO RESTRUCTURE, SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS, AND LET THAT OPEN, BUT THAT DID NOT CHANGE IN THE PROPOSAL.

>> SO WE REQUIRED A MINIMUM OF $1,300 GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THEY DO RECOUP THE FUNDS FOR ANY BOAT SLIP RENTALS. THAT IS WHY WE RECOMMEND PUTTING THAT BACK OUT ON THE STREET.

WE DID HAVE STAFF MEMBERS THAT REQUIRED CHARLIE LATHAM AND CHARISSE WORD, WE ALSO DECIDED TO LOOK AT IF WE WANT TO KEEP ANY OF THE SERVICES IN-HOUSE. WE WILL DO SOME ANALYSIS OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS AND AS WE ADVERTISE AND BRING YOU BACK AND FORTH.

>> JUST IN THE TIME WE HAVE DUG DEEPER AND FOUND TWO STATE ASSOCIATIONS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP US WITH DISTRIBUTION PERIOD THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE OF BEFORE.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY COMPLAINTS OR PERFORMANCE ISSUES WITH THE PROVIDER?

>> IF YOU ASK ME, THREE MONTHS AGO WOULD SAY VERY LITTLE BUT WE ARE GETTING READY TO ADD A NEW

RAMP AND $210,000 WORTH OF WORKFARE. >> WE DID HAVE SOME PROBLEMS.

>> YES WE DID. >> WHAT ARE WEAKENING FOR OUR MONEY HERE?

>> THAT IS WHY WE TRIED TO RESTRUCTURE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US REBID.

YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONE NUMBERS. IT ONLY SHOWS $136,000 AND

EXPENSES, THE NET PROFIT IS $144,000. >> THAT'S THE GOING RATE.

>> HOW LONG DO WE DO THIS. >> OUR FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS ONLY A THREE MONTH EXTENSION.

THAT WAY WE COULD ISSUE THE RFP FOR. >> THOSE NUMBERS WOULD DO BETTER FINANCIALLY. IT DEPENDS HOW GOOD THE NUMBERS ARE.

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HE'S THE ONE THAT FIXES THE NUMBERS. IT WOULD BE $72,000 PER YEAR FOR

THE PROFIT. >> SEVEN DAY PER WEEK OPERATION. IT'S NOT JUST A SINGLE EMPLOYEE.

>> I SAY WE REJECT THE BID AND SEE IF WE CAN FIND ANOTHER MARINA OPERATOR WANT TO TAKEN OF

THE SECOND LOCATION. >> THEY WORK HARD RECRUITING AND POSSIBLY NEXT WEEK.

>> ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE THE RFP? >> THAT IS THE OTHER THINGS WE ARE LOOKING AT. I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO GIVE TEMPLATES SO THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH PUTTING A PLAN TOGETHER CAN RESPOND. SO WE WILL WORK ON SOME

TEMPLATES AS WELL. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I MOVE WE REJECT THE CURRENT BID AND GO FOR A NEW RFP WITH WHATEVER KAREN SAID WAS APPROPRIATE.

>> TRYING TO GUIDE THROUGH THE PROCESS. AS FAR STAFF LOOKING AT WHAT WE

CAN DO IN-HOUSE. >> COMMISSIONER WITH THE MOTION. ANY OPALS?

IT CARRIES. >> IT DOES NOT NEED BOARD APPROVAL BUT THE COUNTY MANAGER

WILL EXTEND WITH WHAT'S THERE NOW. >> AT THIS POINT IN THE AGENDA WE USUALLY GO THROUGH OUR RUNDOWN. WE HAVE 10 MINUTES, DO YOU WANT TO DO THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE AND COME BACK TO THE CONSTITUTION US AFTER THE TIME

[15. College Drive Initiative]

CERTAIN? >> SO, AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING WE RECEIVED A BRIEF FOR THE COLLEGE DRIVE INITIATIVE AND THE PROJECT GOING ON WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS.

I DISTRIBUTED A DOCUMENT THAT TOOK THEIR SLIDE AND SAFETY AND AESTHETICS.

I PROVIDED RESPONSES TO THEIR REQUESTS THAT ARE ON HERE, AND FOR THE DESTINATION REQUESTS, JUST TALKING ABOUT ENGAGEMENTS AND I PUT SOME TIMELINES AND ESTIMATED EXECUTION TO DEAL WITH THIS WITH SPECIAL EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING AND WE HAD A DISCUSSION, THERE WERE PARCELS ALONG COLLEGE DRIVE, THIS JUST CONNECTS THE AGENCIES TO TALK ABOUT THAT. UNDER THE PUBLIC EDUCATION REQUESTS, THEY ARE DEDICATED TO A VOCAL AND GAVE A TIMELINE ON THAT. COORDINATING TAKING TIME AND SYNCHRONIZE THAT WITH THE ROAD IMPROVEMENT. AN AWFUL -- SOME GRANTS.

AND GENERAL ACTIVITY AND COORDINATION. SAFETY AND AESTHETICS.

ONGOING FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS TO ENGAGE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PROJECT. TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT AT OLD JENNINGS.

THAT IS COORDINATION WITH THE DRIVEWAY AND CONNECTION WITH OLD JENNINGS IN THAT AREA.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE PROJECT ESTIMATES, THAT WOULD REQUIRE PERSONAL AND LAND AND IT ALL

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LOOKS WITHIN REASON AND OUR PORTION WOULD BE THE LIGHTING. ADVOCATING WE COULD CONSIDER THIS FOR FUTURE LEGISLATIVE REQUEST THAT IS HOW I ADDRESS THAT MOVING FORWARD.

NUMBER THREE, PUBLIC WORKS. IT HAS BEEN ONGOING. TERESA HAS PUT OUT A RIGHT-OF-WAY AND CLEANUP DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND THAT FROM THE WINTER MONTHS HERE.

WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU LOOK AT INCREASING THE SERVICE LEVELS WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT OR LOOK UP PUBLIC-PRIVATE FUNDS.

FOR WHAT WE ANTICIPATE, IT IS IN THE CURRENT BUDGET. OBVIOUSLY, ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS AS WE ENGAGE WITH THEM AND AS TERESA ENGAGED WITH THE GROUP TO SEE WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE.

AGAIN, THE PROJECT IDENTIFICATION FOR STREETSCAPE INVOLVING MEGHAN LOOKING AT PULSATILE -- POSSIBLE FUNDS AND GRANTS AND MAYBE PRIVATE FUNDING FOR THAT.

>> A TWO CORRECT. HOW DOES IT LOOK LIKE AN HOUR RESPONSE FOR THE BOARDS DESIRE TO MOVE FORWARD. I WILL COMMUNICATE THIS WITH THE GROUP AND KEEP THAT ENGAGEMENT

GOING. >> IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS SOME OF THESE THINGS HAVE SYNERGY IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING GRANTS AND THERE'S REALLY NO MONEY BEING SPENT UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY OWN THE PROPERTY BUT THEY WANT ANOTHER PIECE BUT THEY HAVE BEEN TALKING TO RICHARD ABOUT THAT TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE COORDINATED SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO FORM AN

INTERSECTION. >> MOST OF THIS CAME OUT OF A DOZEN OR SO MEETINGS.

I NEED TO CALL THEM STAKEHOLDERS FOLKS THAT WORK WITH NONPROFITS THERE AND WE HAD A NUMBER OF VISITS FROM COUNTY MANAGER. WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO GET SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD TO GIVE THE COUNTY MANAGER DIRECTION THAT IT'S GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IN MIND AS WE COME UP WITH THE SPECIFICS WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT WILL BE.

>> RICHARD, HAVE YOU WRITTEN A LETTER TO THE COLLEGE THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO GET THE PROJECT OFF OF THE GROUND. MY EXPERIENCES NEXT YEAR WE WILL SAY WHAT DID WE DECIDE TO DO AND IF WE GET A LETTER UNTIL SOMEONE MOVES.

>> THIS IS HOW WE SEE THE PROJECT GOING FORWARD. THAT WAY WILL NOT BE ANY

FINGER-POINTING DOWN THE ROAD. >> I'M JUST ASKING OR SINCE WE ARE NOT SPENDING MONEY, JUST GIVING DIRECTION TO STAFF TO SUPPORT THE EFFORT AND IF THEY NEED FUNDS TO BRING IT BACK AND

ASKED FOR A SPECIFIC ITEM. >> THE ONLY THING I SEE IS THE LIGHT IN THE INTERSECTION.

THE REST WE ARE ESSENTIALLY ASKING THE STAFF TO DO THEIR JOB.

THE LIGHT, THAT WILL TAKE -- >> THEY WILL HAVE TO TAKE UP THE FUNDING AND WE TALK TO SAM AND

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HE'S WORKING ON MAKING SURE THEY ARE GETTING THE RIGHT FUNDS. >> HEARING NO OTHER OBJECTIONS

GIVING YOU FORWARD THE STRIKE PERMISSION TO MOVE FORWARD. >> I WILL KEEP THE BOARD INFORMED AS IT MOVES FORWARD. IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE APPROACHING 5:00 P.M.

THE OTHER THING IF I COULD SAVE IT UNTIL THE END,. >> WE WILL CALL IT 5:00 P.M.

IT'S 5:00 P.M. SOMEWHERE. AND NOW IT IS 5:00 P.M. HERE. >> NUMBER 16 IS WHERE WE WILL

[16. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard --Presentations for RFQ No. 21/22-6, Professional Architectural Services for Jail Renovation (K. Smith)]

MOVE TO ON THE AGENDA. PROFESSIONAL ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES, WE WILL HAVE PRESENTATIONS FROM THE THREE FIRMS IN THE RFQ EFFORT WE PUT FORTH.

>> I WILL ADD MORE TO IT. THIS WAS A COMMITTEE OF FIVE MEMBERS.

FIVE COMMITTEE MEMBERS EVALUATED THE THREE FIRMS. YOU CAN SEE THE SCORING IS CLOSED SO WE MADE THE DECISION TO MAKE PRESENTATIONS TO THE BOARD TODAY.

THERE WAS A SCORING ORDER. THIS IS ALPHABETICAL ORDER I WILL LET YOU DECIDE.

I WILL HANDOUT THE SCORING SHEETS AND APATHY AND WE WILL DO ROLL CALL AND GET THE SCORE IS.

THE LOWEST SCORE WILL BE CONSIDERED THE TOP RANKED FIRM. WE DO HAVE STAFF AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE PROJECT ITSELF.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE START? >> AGAIN, THIS CAME BEFORE THE BOARD TO DISCUSS THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL VETTING WITHIN THE JAIL.

WITH THE FUNDS THIS IS A QUALIFYING PROJECT. WE LOOKED AT CUTTING THIS OUT AND GETTING AN ARCHITECT TO ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL VETTING TO MEET THEIR INITIAL NEED THIS IS WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL BE THEY WILL DESIGN THE REMODEL. WE WILL PUT OUT A SECOND BID FOR

THE CONSTRCTION OF THE REMODEL. >> THIS REMODEL IS THE PART WHERE WE TAKE ADMINISTRATIVE

SPACE AND TURN IT INTO BEDS? HOW MANY MORE DO WE GET? >> 46-50.

OF. >> WHERE DO THE PEOPLE GO IN THE ADMINISTRATIVE PLACES?

>> THE PROJECT, WE WENT WITH A FEASIBILITY STUDY AND IT CAME BACK WITH SEVERAL PROJECTS.

THERE ARE TWO THAT ARE PART OF THIS GOAL. THE FIRST IS TO EXPAND THE THIRD FLOOR WHICH WE SHOULD ACQUIRED 62 BEDS. THE SECOND WAS VISITATION WITHIN THE JAIL WAS MOVED OUT WE DO REMOTE VISITATION NOW AND THAT GIVES US ANOTHER 24 BEDS.

>> THAT IS A TOTAL OF 86. >> IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE ADMINISTRATION FOLKS.

>> IT -- THERE WILL BE 26 PEOPLE. CURRENTLY SEEKING SPACE FOR THEM

SOMEWHERE IN THE COUNTY. >> THAT IS THE OTHER SHOE THAT NEEDS TO DROP.

DO WE KNOW WHERE WILL GO? >> WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS AND LOOKING

AT LEASING SOME SPACE UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH A BETTER PLAN. >> WHAT IS THE PRIMARY FUNCTION?

>> THE COMPLIANCE AREA AND A COUPLE OF COMMAND STAFF, I DO HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BROKE DOWN INTO SEGMENTS SO DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION I WOULD MOVE THE SEGMENT THAT FITS THAT LOCATION.

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>> THIS WOULD ALL DEPEND ON THE TIMING. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH

SPACE FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE AREAS. >> WE HAVE AN AMOUNT AWARDED FOR

THESE TWO AREAS. >> I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WE HAD THE WHOLE PLAN.

>> ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE JAIL. I KNOW OUR INMATE COUNT, IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE THE

POSITIONS THAT WE HAD. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE OUT RECRUITING.

>> STOP. >> >> I SAY WE CALL THE MOUNTAIN AT

THE PINNACLE ORDER. >> WE DO HAVE TO SAY, THIS IS ONE OF THE CLOSEST SCORING FOR A BID WE HAVE HAD SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD. IT WILL BE A DIFFICULT DECISION FOR THE BOARD BECAUSE ALL OF THE FIRMS SEEM TO BE VERY QUALIFIED. WE WILL BE LISTENING INTENTLY, AND MAKING THAT DECISION AS WE MOVE FORWARD. SO, IF IT IS ALRIGHT WITH THE

THE FOLK WE WILL GO WITH BHIDE & HALL ARCHITECTS. >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING US PRESENT OUR PRESENTATION. THERE IS A HIGHLIGHT AND SUMMARY IN WHICH YOU RECEIVED IN YOUR

PACKET. >> I'M BRIAN SAWYER. I HAVE WITH ME TOMMY SINCLAIR.

I WORKED DESIGNER AND PLANNER WE BROUGHT INTO THE PROJECT. WHAT WE BELIEVE IS WE HAVE ASSEMBLED THE RIGHT TEAM FOR THIS PROJECT. WE BELIEVE WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE WE KNOW CLAY COUNTY WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE.

I JUST WANTED TO RUN THROUGH THIS. THE TEAM IS ALL LOCAL FARMS. OUR FIRM HAS BEEN HERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. THE ENGINEERS ARE CLAY COUNTY FOLKS. A COUPLE BEING A SMALL MINORITY BUSINESS.

AND TO SUPPLEMENT OUR EXPERIENCE WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH AN ARCHITECT TEAM OUT OF TAMPA TO EXPAND WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1974 CELEBRATING OUR 47TH YEAR , WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE DONE WELL OVER 150 PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY.

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>> WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS TO THE JAIL. EVERYTHING FROM RENOVATIONS, KITCHEN RENOVATIONS. A LOT THAT HAS BROUGHT THE FACILITY TO MARRIAGES TODAY.

ONE THING TO NOTE, WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT WHEN WE WORK IN THESE FACILITIES WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO INTERRUPTION OF THE ACTIVITIES BECAUSE THAT IS

BASED ON THE FACILITY THAT WE ARE IN. >> SO WE ARE A NATIONAL FIRM.

WE HAVE BEEN DOING THE PROJECTS FOR OVER 50 YEARS. YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF DETENTION FACILITIES IN ADDITION WE HAVE INCLUDED A FEW GENTLEMEN IN OUR PROPOSAL.

WE INCLUDED THIS FOR MECHANICAL AND HARDWARE SPECIALIST. YOU ARE GETTING THE HDR

RESOURCES AS PART OF THIS. >> THERE IS A PART THEY HAVE DEEMED EXEMPLARY.

ONE ON THE SCREEN YOU SEE HERE'S DALLAS COUNTY. THIS WAS A VERY COMPLICATED WHERE WE CONVERTED. ONE OF THE TAKEAWAYS WAS DEVELOPING A STEP DOWN UNIT FOR OFFSTAGE SHUT ZONE. BOUNCING BETWEEN UNITS. WITHOUT CROSSING INMATE CIRCULATION. THAT IS A SAFETY MITIGATION. I PULLED THE DIAGRAM INTO FACILITIES THAT WE ARE PLANNING IN FLORIDA. YOU WILL SEE A LOT THERAPY INCLUDED. THE RELEVANCY IS THAT THEY ARE ALL MINIMUM SECURITY HOUSING.

THEY ARE ALL DIRECT SUPERVISION MODELS WHICH WILL BE SIMILAR. WE HAVE INCORPORATED AND WE WILL USE THE SAME DESIGN PROCESS THAT WE USED IN THE PROJECTS FOR YOUR SPIRIT WE WANT TO COME IN WITHOUT ANY PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS. WE WANT TO LISTEN TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IN THE COUNTY. WE WANT TO COME UP WITH OPTIONS AND DEVELOP SOLUTIONS TOGETHER AS A TEAM TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD ON THE RIGHT FOOT.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE WILL TO IS A VISION SESSION. YOU WILL SEE WHAT THE SPACE WILL BECOME. IT WILL HAVE A CAPACITY ISSUE, THAT JUST MEANS WE MEET MINIMUM HOUSING AND I'LL BE HANDLED TYPES SUCH AS DETOX AND MENTAL HEALTH.

WERE DOING THAT IN FLORIDA. FUNDING IS ALWAYS THERE SO THE MORE FLEXIBILITY, THE BETTER LONG-TERM AND THE MORE OPERATIONAL THE SHERIFF WILL HAVE IN THE END.

WE DO HAVE A LOCAL PERSON WHO HAS EXPERIENCE THEY WILL DO AN ASSESSMENT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT

THIS RENOVATION AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THIS WILL HAVE. >> TIME AND BUDGET.

THIS IS CRITICAL. OBVIOUSLY THOUGHT CONSTRUCTION MARKET IS CHANGING IT IS VOLATILE RIGHT NOW. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. WE WILL DEVELOP A CLEAR AND CONCISE PLAN WITH AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE WE WILL HAVE REVIEWS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON TRACK AND

MAKING SURE WERE ON TRACK THROUGH THE PROCESS. >> YOU CAN SEE THE PROJECTS, A

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COUPLE ARE IN YEAR IN CLAY COUNTY. WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. WE THINK WE ASSEMBLED THE RIGHT TEAM AND WE WILL GET THIS PROJECT DONE COMPLETELY. WE FEEL WE HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT, WE KNOW CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE BEEN HERE A WHILE. WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE.

>> WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS OR IF YOU WANT TO SAVE QUESTIONS UNTIL THE END.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS QUICKSAND I DO HAVE A COUPLE. THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS, DO YOU HAVE A SINGLE PROJECT OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND WHAT THAT MAY BE?

>> THE ONES THAT WE LISTED, I COULD BASICALLY SUMMARIZE THOSE WERE SIMILAR OF THE OPEN DORMITORY SPACING. THEY RANGE FROM SMALL AREAS TO MANY DIFFERENT UNIONS.

THE CHALLENGE IS DEVELOPING A PLAN AND INCORPORATING FLEXIBILITY AS WELL AS UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT GOING FROM ADMINISTRATIVE SPACE AND WORKING TO HAVE JURISDICTION.

>> THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. WE APPRECIATED. WE WILL GO WITH OUR SECOND GROUP

CLEMMONS, RUTHERFORDD AND ASSOCIATES. >> WE KNOW YOU HAVE THE DIFFICULT SITUATION. I UNDERSTAND THAT. THE THREE PEOPLE PRIMARILY INVOLVE. I AM BILL RUTHERFORD. I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT. BOTH OF THOSE YOUNG MEN HAVE VAST EXPERIENCE IN THE INDUSTRY.

WE DO HAVE CONSULTANTS THAT WE HAVE USED FOR 45 YEARS DOING CORRECTIONS WORK.

WE LIKE USING THOSE. WE HAVE USED A CIVIL ENGINEER. OUR PROJECTS ARE PUT TOGETHER WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO IN THEIR ABILITIES. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA WE ARE 61-YEARS-OLD. WE HAVE 33 PROJECTS WHERE WE HAVE PERFORMED PROJECTS AND OCCUPIED SPACE. PROBABLY 10,000 BEDS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK IN THE STATE. JUST SHOWING YOU THIS PFAFF AVAILABLE. WE DON'T HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE WE HAVE OUR OWN IN-HOUSE.

WE EDUCATE AND WHEN WE HIRE PEOPLE WE BRING THEM THROUGH THE RANKS OVER THE YEARS.

YOU CAN SEE THE LONGEVITY, THE YEARS OF SERVICE. THE AVERAGE STAY FOR EACH PERSON IS 33 YEARS. THE OTHER% WE TRAIN THEM AND THEY COME UP.

>> JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE DONE. THIS IS SHOWING YOU FLORIDA

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COUNTIES THE ONE IN THE CENTER LEFT ARE OTHER COUNTIES, PARTICULARLY GEORGIA.

THE ONES ON THE RIGHT-CENTER ARE OUT OF THE STATE, OUT OF THE COUNTRY.

>> WE ARE OF THE OPINION WE HAVE MORE CORRECTION PROJECTS THAN ANYONE IN THE STATE.

WE SAY THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE WORKED IN EVERY COUNTY FOR SOME LEVEL WHETHER THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS WITH THE JAIL, JUST STARTING OFF SHOWING YOU WE DO A LOT OF WORK WITH RENOVATING WHICH IS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS SITUATION WHEN YOU GO INTO A JAIL TO RENOVATE YOUR WORKING AROUND EVERYONE I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT YOUR PROGRAM, I WANT TO LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF WE AGREE OR IF WE MAY HAVE A BETTER SUGGESTION USING THE SAME BUDGET.

WE WERE JUST AWARDED A MAJOR PRODUCT PROJECT IN SOUTH CAROLINA.

WE SHOWED THEM THERE WAS A BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT.

IS YOUR CALL. I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU ANOTHER WAY.

I THINK THIS ONE HAS THE POTENTIAL WHERE WE WILL PUT INMATES ON THE FLOOR.

>> THE CODE YOU SEE THAT WILL COVER PROJECT, WE HAVE DETERMINED WHAT IS NEEDED, WE HAVE A CLONE SPECIALIST IN OUR OFFICE. WE ARE SHOWING YOU WE HAVE THAT

ABILITY. >> WE DO HAVE THE STAFF AND THE ABILITY.

WE DO HAVE THE PEOPLE. WE ARE A VERY STABLE FIRM FINANCIALLY.

THE ONE YEARS. A LETTER FROM THE BANK AND ACCOUNTING FIRM AND ANYTHING YOU WANT TO ASK ME ABOUT. CONSTRUCTION, WE DO THINGS A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

WHEN THE PROJECT BIDS WE ASSIGN AN ADMINISTRATOR TO THE JOB. HE IS A CONTRACTOR.

A CERTIFIED GENERAL CONTRACTOR. HE MAY ALSO BE AN ARCHITECT. WE LOOK AFTER IT.

WHEN HE GOES TO CONSTRUCTION WE SHOULD HAVE CONSTRUCTION EYES ON IT AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.

BOTH DESIGNED ARCHITECT STAYS WITH IT BUT WE SERVE DUAL PURPOSES.

>> SHOWING YOU EVERYWHERE WE BUILT IN THE STATE. THE THOUGHTS ARE CORRECTION PROJECTS AND NOTHING ELSE. WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION.

FLORIDA SHERIFFS ASSOCIATION HAS BUILT TWO BUILDINGS. WE DID THAT FOR THEM.

THEY HAVE GREAT TRUST IN THE SPIRIT WE PUT A LOT OF STOCK INTO THAT.

SATISFIED CLIENTS, IF I HAD LOW SCORES I WOULD SHOW IT TO YOU. THIS IS FROM SUMTER COUNTY.

VERY FAIR, VERY PROFESSIONAL. HE GAVE US ALL THINGS. THAT SPEAKS WELL OF OUR ABILITY

AND I WANTED TO SHOW YOU THAT. >> THE SATISFIED CLIENTS, THEY ARE SAYING GOOD THINGS ABOUT US.

THEY SAID THEY WOULD HIRE US AGAIN. SHOWING YOU THAT WE HAVE SPOKEN

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THROUGH THE BUSINESSES. ONE OF THE CIVIL ENGINEERS IS A MINORITY OWNED BUSINESS.

WE MEET THE STANDARDS THE TRUTH IS, WE MAKE MORE FEES THIS IS JUST THE WAY IT IS.

WE'D LIKE TO LOOK AT WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE. I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING THE SHERIFF OR HIS FACILITIES I JUST WANT TO SAY WHY ARE WE DOING THIS MAYBE THERE'S A GOOD REASON. I'D LIKE TO TALK AND SEE IF THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO LOOK AT IT. BETTER FOR YOU. WE LIKE A LOT OF OWNER INPUT WE DON'T MIND TALKING TO THE COMMISSIONERS WE DON'T MIND TELLING YOU WHY WE DO WHAT WE DO WHY WE ARE RECOMMENDING WHAT WE RECOMMEND. IT'S A JOINT EFFORT.

WE WILL DO THIS AND LEAVE. WE NEED TO DO IT SO THAT IT IS RIGHT AND YOU ARE SATISFIED.

THE GOALS AND CHALLENGES IN TODAY'S WORLD, THE BUDGET AND DELIVERY MATERIALS WERE MAJOR.

I AM TELLING YOU IT IS UNREAL. WE ARE WORKING ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND I CANNOT GET STEEL IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON ANY BETTER THAN I CAN CLAY COUNTY. THE DELIVERY TIME AND TO PUT IN ORDERS, IT IS JUST KILLING PROJECT BUDGETS BECAUSE THEY ARE BEING PSHED OUT.

WE HAVE A TAKEN TO MEETINGS WITH STEEL SUPPLIERS AND MANUFACTURERS TO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN DO AND HOW CAN WE HELP EACH OTHER. AMAZON HAS KILLED US.

THEY FOLLOWED UP ALL OF THE STEEL IN THIS COUNTRY. THEY HAVE ALL OF THE STEEL NOT JUST LITTLE BIT. THEY ARE BUILDING FACILITIES. IT IS UNREAL WHAT IS HAPPENING.

YOU WILL FACE THAT. SUPPLY AND DEMAND, MAXIMIZING BEDS AND MINIMIZING STAFF, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A FACILITY THAT HAS THE LEAST STAFFING, THE MOST SECURITY AND THE BEST AND

EASIEST TO OPERATE. THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. >> WE WILL SCHEDULE EVERYTHING.

WE WILL STARTED WE WILL FINISH IT. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WILL BE INVOLVED. WE WILL BOOT AND SEE HOW LONG BEFORE WE CAN GET THE SPACE.

MAYBE THERE ARE ADVANTAGES ON ORDERING MATERIALS EARLY. WE LOOK AT EVERY ASPECT OF THE JOB. WE HAVE NOT WORKED FOR YOU BUT WE WANT TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE CAN DO. I AM CLOSE TO MY 10 MINUTES. I WILL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT

YOU HAVE. >> I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CONCRETE.

CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT. >> I WOULD DOUBT SERIOUSLY YOU WOULD USE ANY OF THOSE IN YOUR PROJECT ON THE THIRD FLOOR BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT BE STRUCTURALLY SOUND.

WE LIKE CONCRETE AND MODULAR SALES, I AM PERSONALLY FOR STEEL BECAUSE I CAN PUT A COATING ON IT AND IT WILL NOT BE IMPREGNATED WITH ANYTHING. I CAN SPRAY IT DOWN, I CAN WASH IT DOWN. THE CONCRETE SALES ARE ALMOST AS HARD AS STEEL BUT NOT QUITE.

YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM UNDER A MICROSCOPE BUT THEY ARE USUALLY PAINTED.

IT IS HARD TO BE A FINISH LIKE A REFRIGERATOR. WE LIKE THE SALES BUT MY GUESS IS YOU WOULD GO USE A DIFFERENT DEVICE. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> BUT I HAVE ANOTHER ONE. >> NO CHANGE ORDERS, YOU'VE DONE A PROJECT WITH NO CHANGE ORDERS?

>> I HAVE CHECKED ON THIS. YOU CAN CALL MY CONTROLLER WHEN I WALK OUT OF HERE.

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THE LAST 20 JAILS WE HAVE DONE WE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANGE ORDER UNLESS YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND.

>> YOU CAN CHECK ON THE. I WILL GIVE YOU A LIST OF JAILS I WILL GIVE YOU THE COUNTY

MANAGER CALL THEM AND ASK THEM. >> ANYBODY ELSE WITH QUESTIONS? >> OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT IN LOVE

WITH THE THIRD FLOOR WHAT IS THE CHALLENGE WITH BACK? >> THE FIRST TIME I ENCOUNTERED A JAIL ON THE THIRD FLOOR WAS IN THE STATE OF WASHINGTON. ALL OF THE INMATES DECIDED TO FILL UP THE LABORATORIES AT THE SAME TIME, THEY OFFLOADED. WATER RUNS DOWNHILL.

IT GOES TO THE NEXT FLOOR. MAYBE YOUR BUILDING IT WON'T HAPPEN MAYBE YOU HAVE THAT TAKEN CARE OF, I DON'T KNOW I'VE NOT SEEN THE SPACE I WOULD GUESS IF IT IS AN OFFICE BUILDING YOU MAY HAVE THAT. IF IT IS 12-13 FEET, TYPICAL INMATES CAN JUMP UP AND CATCH

THE STRUCTURE. >> ADD INTO AND INTERIOR SPACE. WILL IT COME DOWN, TEAR THE

LIGHT FIXTURE DOWN, IT HAPPENS. IT IS A REAL THING. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU. FINALLY, WE WILL GET TO STROLLO

ARCHITECTS, INC. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JIM STROHLLO. THAT IS A HARD ACT TO FOLLOW I WILL TELL YOU THAT. I APPRECIATED.

I JUST WANT TO SHARE AN OPENING COMMENT. WITH WHAT'S BEEN SAID TODAY, AND WE ALL, ALL THREE OF US WHO ARE PRESENTING HERE ARE QUALIFIED. WE HAVE BEEN COMPETING WITH EACH OTHER FOR YEARS. WE ALL LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY AND WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN WAY.

TODAY, I WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT SEPARATES US. I HAVE HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCES FOLKS FROM HDR, WE ALL KNOW THE DRILL. BEFORE I GO ON, LET ME TALK ABOUT WILL BE OUR, IF YOU WILL GO TO THE TEAMS THAT WE BRING TO THE PROJECT, THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH ME FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, ALL EXPERIENCE CORRECTION FACILITY FOLKS.

WE HAVE GOTTEN INTO NOT ONLY CORRECTION DESIGN BUT HEALTHCARE DESIGN.

THE REASON FOR THAT, THE PROJECTS ARE SIMILAR IN THE SENSE WERE DEALING WITH FACILITIES THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP OPERATING. BOTH OF THESE PROJECT TYPES ARE HIGHLY LOADED WITH SYSTEMS THAT ARE HEAVY. AND THEY REQUIRE A SPECIAL LEVEL OF EXPERTISE WHICH WE ALL HAVE. THE FOLKS LISTED HERE ARE ALL EXPERIENCE WITH THE PROCESS.

AS I WAS SAYING WE HAVE ALL BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS FOR QUITE A WHILE.

WE HAVE 51 YEARS, I HAVE 51 YEARS EXPERIENCE. THE STATISTICS ARE UP THERE.

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THE NUMBER OF CORRECTION FACILITIES. WE ARE ALL PROUD OF THIS.

WE HAVE ONE HOUR AWARDS WE HAVE NOT IN OUR ACCOLADES. WE HAVE ALL DONE OUR EFFICIENCIES. I KNOW THE ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU IS HOW INEXPENSIVE WILL THIS BE IN ITS OPERATIONAL COSTS OVER THE NEXT YEARS THAT THE BUILDING IS VIABLE. THIS IS WHERE WE THINK WE CAN SEPARATE OURSELVES FROM THE OTHERS. WE KNOW THE PROBLEMS THAT EXIST. AND TO GIVE YOU AN INDICATION OF HOW WE KNOW THAT, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WE HAVE OUR LIST OF PROJECTS.

THESE ARE ALL CONSTRUCTION FACILITIES. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE COMPLETED.

AS I HAVE SAID WE ARE PROUD OF THEM A LOT OF REPEAT. THE PARTICULAR COUNTY I WILL MENTION IS ORANGE COUNTY FLORIDA. I HAVE BEEN THERE SINCE THE 70S. WE ARE FINISHING UP A NEW MASTER PLAN.

SO, WE HAVE CORRECTION EXPERIENCE UNDER OUR BELT. WE WERE FORTUNATE TO CONNECT THE. WITH THE JAIL DIRECTOR CHRIS, AND SPENT SOME TIME WITH HIM AND THE OTHER FOLKS HERE, WE WERE COMMISSIONED TO DO THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

THAT BROUGHT US A GREAT DEAL OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE NEEDS HERE. PARTICULARLY THE PURGE PROJECTS AND PROVIDING YOU HOUSING CAPABILITY -- AS THE SLIDE IS INDICATNG, THIS IS AN IMMEDIATE NEED THING. YOU WILL GET 86 BEDS THAT IS A QUICK FIX THAT WILL BUY YOU TIME THAT YOU CAN ADDRESS SOME ISSUES. THE WAY WE GO ABOUT DOING OUR WORK, IT IS SIMILAR TO THE WAY THE OTHER FIRMS HAVE TALKED ABOUT.

BUT DIFFERENCES, WE DEVELOPED A ROADMAP, WE KNOW THAT IF YOU FOLLOW THIS PROCESS, YOU WILL END UP WITH A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE EFFICIENCIES YOU WILL GAIN AND MORE IMPORTANTLY YOUR LONG-TERM OPERATING COSTS.

BUT THE FIRST STEP IS TO IDENTIFY THE NEED. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. THEN THE VISION OF WHAT DO YOU DO AND HOW DO YOU GO ABOUT DOING IT. ONCE THAT IS STATED, ESTABLISH THE POLICIES THAT NEED TO BE IN PLACE TO EXECUTE ON THAT. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT STEP GOING ON TODAY.

ONCE THOSE POLICIES, AND IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT THIS BUT POLICIES RELATED TO THE OPERATION OF THE JAIL. ONCE THEY ARE IDENTIFIED THOSE OPERATIONS WILL DRIVE YOUR DESIGN. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE FOLKS RUNNING THE JAIL. THESE ARE JUST PERIPHERAL MEETINGS THAT WERE OCCURRING.

WE KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER PROCESS, A WHOLE SERIES OF WORKSHOPS AND TO SET THE GROUNDWORK.

IT IS THOSE OPERATIONS THAT WILL DRIVE THE DESIGN OF THIS FACILITY.

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WE LOOKED AT THAT, AND BEGAN TO REALIZE THERE ARE SOME EXTENUATING ADDITIONS AS TO HOW YOU CAN DO THAT ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE. THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE GET YOU 86 BEDS TODAY.

THE WAY WE KNOW IT HAS TO HAPPEN IS THE SAME WAY YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD TWICE NOW.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RENOVATION YOU KNOW YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE CARE PATHWAYS.

WE KNOW YOU WILL GO THROUGH CHECKS. WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT.

WE KNOW THE SYSTEMS HAVE TO BE REDONE. BASICALLY, WE KNOW THIS LOOKS LIKE IT IS DORMITORY. WE'RE NOT AWARE OF ANY CELL CONSTRUCTION BUT TO TALK ABOUT ONE THING THAT COULD GO ON, LOOKING AT HOW THE JAILS ARE BUILT TODAY, THAT IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN I STARTED DOING THIS. EVERYTHING WAS DONE WITH CONCRETE AND THESE FACILITIES BECAME WAYS TO CHANGE. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE. WE NOTE THE EMPHASIS TODAY IS TO BUILD SOMETHING WITH FLEXIBILITY. WE JUST FINISHED A FACILITY IN CHARLOTTE COUNTY.

HE WAS A SMALL INFIRMARY BUILDING AND WE WERE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT EVERYTHING WAS FAIRLY EASY TO MODIFY. WE KNOW THIS IS THE FUTURE. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES WE KNOW EXISTED. >> I AM OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

>> HOW MUCH -- I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION BUT HOW MUCH BACKWARD ENGINEERING ARE

YOU INTEGRATING WITH THE SECURITY AND CAMERA SYSTEM. >> THERE WILL BE AN IN DEPTH ASSESSMENT DONE. WE WERE AWARE THAT ALL OF THE SYSTEMS THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM, THE OTHER PART THAT HAS NOT BEEN TALKED ABOUT TODAY IS, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE BETTER SUPPORT. WE ARE AWARE, THESE ISSUES ARE PART OF THE PUZZLE THAT HAS TO BE PUT TOGETHER. PART OF WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE MONEY SPENT HERE THAT ISN'T WASTED. SOME OF THE STUDIES WE DID, YOU COULD HOUSE UP TO, THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. WE CAN GET IMMEDIATE BIDS AND THAT IS THE GAME PLAN.

YOU WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SYSTEM AND SEE WHERE YOU NEED TO UPGRADE.

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>> INPUT TAKE A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH THE CORRECTIONS FOLKS.

THEY WILL BE HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY THIS. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, THAT HASN'T BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS THE DELIVERY SYSTEM WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE USING HERE.

THAT HAS NOT BEEN MENTIONED. WILL IT BE A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. WE HAVE WORKED WITH ALL OF THESE. I'M SURE THE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE WORKED WITH THE SYSTEMS AS WELL.

THEY WILL BECOME AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE PROCESS. THEY ARE THE ONES THEY HAVE TO MANAGE WITHOUT CORRECTION FOLKS. WE WILL BE THERE IN THAT CAPACITY AS I SAID, WE FOLLOW EACH OTHER AROUND THE STATE. I JUST CAME BACK FROM OREGON. WE ARE DOING CHILL WORK UP THERE AND OHIO. WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK IN FLORIDA.

THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE, I SAID THIS INITIALLY. THE OTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE, THE THING THAT SEPARATES IS WHO YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU CAN'T, I ALWAYS GET NERVOUS.

I LOVE JAILS. I LIKE THEM I REALLY DO. THEY ARE TOUGH DESIGN PROBLEMS THERE ARE CHALLENGES AND WHO YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET. I AM THE GUY.

I THINK ANTHONY, I KIND OF LIVE AND BREATHE THIS STUFF. MY GUYS ARE THE SAME WAY.

WE ARE NOT A GIANT FIRM, WE ARE SMALL. WE ARE 11-12 PEOPLE.

WE KNOW HOW TO GET THIS STUFF DONE. ONE OF MY PROJECTS THAT ARE PROBABLY ONE OF OUR BETTER PROJECTS, IT IS THE INTAKE AND RELEASE FACILITY IN ORANGE COUNTY. THAT FACILITY AND OTHER CHANGES ENABLED ORANGE COUNTY, TO DROP DOWN TO 2800. IT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS OF PUSHING THESE PEOPLE TO.

IT IS WORKING AND WORKING VERY WELL. >> ANYONE ELSE WITH FINAL

QUESTIONS? >> I APPRECIATE ALL THREE PRESENTATIONS.

YOU ALL BRING IT WILL BE A DIFFICULT DECISION. >> ALL THREE SCORED CLOSELY WITH STAFF. I THINK THEY ARE ALL QUALIFIED. I CAN GIVE YOU EACH A COUPLE OF

MINUTES,. >> CAN ASK THE SHERIFF A QUESTION? CHANDRA SURE. YOU ARE THE CUSTOMER HERE, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE?

THESE ARE VERY CLOSE. >> CANNOT ANSWER THAT? >> I ASSIGNED I DON'T THINK I

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CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. I WILL SAY, ALL OF THEM ARE OBVIOUSLY EXPERIENCED IN JAIL AND JAIL RENOVATIONS AND I HAVE CONFIDENCE YOU WILL SELECT THE RIGHT COMPANY, THAT IS ALL.

>> SHERIFF, I WOULD HAVE JUST GONE WITH A PHONE CALL. >> ALL MANY BEDS ARE WE LOOKING AT INCREASING TO? I'VE HEARD TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS?

>> 86. >> THE GOAL IS THIS WILL RECOGNIZE 86 BEDS.

>> 86 ADDITIONAL BEDS. >> IS NOT A REQUIREMENT? >> ONE PART OF THE RENOVATION IS

62 BEDS IN THE OTHER PART IS 24. >> THE NUMBERS CAME FROM THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

>> OKAY. >> BEFORE YOU GO. MAKE SURE COMMISSIONER BURKE

DIDN'T HAVE A QUESTION. >> AS WITH ANY RENOVATION THERE WILL BE ISSUES THE REASON WE WENT WITH THIS IS THE FEASIBILITY'S STUDY. CONSIDERING THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT, THE BUILDING SPACE TAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF THE FOOTPRINT.

WE NEED RELIEF QUICKLY. WE ARE OVERCAPACITY EVERY DAY. THIS WAS A COMBINATION OF BUILDING WITHIN THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT. THE QUICKEST RELIEF FOR US, WE WORKED FOR A LONG-TERM SOLUTION. WE ARE LOOKING AT LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS.

>> >> CHIEF DANGERFIELD, I KNOW WE APPROVED THE NEW TOILET SYSTEM TO ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY FOR THEM TO DO THINGS LIKE FLOODING BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE DID THAT

IN THIS AREA, DO YOU KNOW? >> A LOT OF THE JAIL FACILITIES ARE LIKE THIS BUT MY FIRST DAY,

THE JUDGE -- JAIL GOT FLOODED. >> AND YOU STILL CAP YOUR JOB. >> THAT WAS MY VERY FIRST DAY.

>> THEY BROUGHT AN UMBRELLA. >> THIS IS NOT THE REALITY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

WE ARE AVERAGING 30-40 PEOPLE ABOVE CAPACITY. WE ARE STILL LOOKING TO CINDY INMATES FOR -- TO OTHER FACILITIES. WE DON'T SEE ANY RELIEF.

THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IS TAKING ONE PERSON PER WEEK. NO RELIEF THERE.

NO ONE BUT US WILL GIVE VISIT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SO WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING NOW.

>> AND WE WERE AT THE LEGISLATIVE CONFERENCE LAST WEEK.

THE DIRECTION OF THE STATE LEGISLATION IS CLOSURE. ANY COUNTY THAT HAS MORE THAN ONE CORRECTION FACILITY THEY ARE CLOSING A. IT WON'T GET BETTER.

>> THEY COULD JUST CHANGE IT. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> WHY WAS HE PICKED TO DO THE

FEASIBILITY STUDY? >> BEFORE WE ASKED WITH OUR CURRENT FOOTPRINT WHAT CAN WE DO

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, AND TO THEIR CREDIT THEY SPENT TIME GOING OVER VARIOUS OPTIONS AND SHORT-TERM AND

LONG-TERM OPTIONS AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. >> WE ARE SENT FOR NOW.

>> I WAS JUST SAINT DIRECTOR SMITH, I AM READY TO VOTE. >> KAREN IF YOU WANT TO BRING

THE SCORECARD OVER. >> WE WILL START WITH YOU. >> I'M READY NOW.

I MADE UP MY MIND. PART OF IT WAS THE FEASIBILITY STUDY.

WE ALL HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO WASTE AND I WOULD GO PLEMONS,CL, STROLLO, ABHIDE.

>> STROLLO RANKED NO 1 BHIDE NUMBER 2, AND CLEMONS NUMBER 3.

>> I WANT TO THANK BOTH FIRMS FOR BEING HERE. FIVE YEARS BEING ON THE BOARD IS PROBABLY THE TOUGHEST DECISION PICKING THE CLOSE COMPETITORS YOU ALL BRING SOMETHING GOOD TO THE PROJECT. WE DO APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU PUT INTO IT.

I HOPE TO SEE YOU AT ANOTHER TIME ON ANOTHER PROJECT. >> WE MOVED TO NUMBER 24.

[24. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing on the adoption of an ordinance imposing a moratorium on any proposed land use amendment to the Clay County 2040 Comprehensive Plan that effectively increases the allowable residential densities within the Lake Asbury Master Plan Area or any proposed rezoning that effectively increases the allowable residential densities of any parcel of land within the Lake Asbury Master Plan Area]

I KNOW WE HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING ON THE ISSUE.

NUMBER 24 WHICH IS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN ANY PROPOSED REZONING THAT INCREASES THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY WITHIN THE MASTERPLAN AREA.

I GUESS BEFORE WE GET STARTED I WANTED TO READ THAT AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS IDENTIFYING THOSE AREAS WHERE RESIDENTIAL DENSITIES COULD BE CHANGED AND THOSE WOULD BE LIMITED WITH THE A MORATORIUM. IT DOES NOT AFFECT ANY BUILDING AND THE PIPELINE. ANY EVENT HAVE AND IT WOULD KEEP ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT FROM HAPPENING. I THINK WE HAVE DENSITY IN THOSE AREAS.

WILL YOU RUN THROUGH THE PLAN, THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS ATTACHED. IT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD I DID HAVE ANSWERS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. SO, I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION WAS, WITH THE BOND TRANSPORTATION PROJECT, WOULD THAT CAPACITY, AS BRIEF DURING

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THE HEARING, THE CAPACITY FOR 209, AND THAT IS A MAXIMUM SERVICE VOLUME OF VEHICLES PER HOUR. UNDER THE PROJECT FOR THAT, WE WOULD INCREASE IT TO 2,105.

SPECIFICALLY FROM 315, IT WOULD GO FROM 1610-AND FINALLY ADDRESSING THIS ITSELF, THAT WAS 1,480, THAT WOULD GO WITH THE PROJECT ALONG THAT ROADWAY. LOOKING AT THE ACCOUNTS WE'VE MET RIGHT AFTER THE WORKSHOP. ED WENT TO ACCESS THE NUMBERS. LOOKING AT THE 2,019TH COUNT, AND THE RESERVE CAPACITY WHICH IS THE CAPACITY FOR PROJECTS UNDER REVIEW THE ANSWER IS, YES WE DO HAVE AVAILABLE CAPACITY OUT TO FOUR YEARS. THERE WAS A CURRENT PLANT, LOTS OF WAITING AND THAT WAS OUT FOR FOR YEARS WHICH WAS APPROXIMATELY 4,000 TROLLING UNITS. THE ANSWER IS YES THERE IS CAPACITY.

PENDING ANY QUESTIONS I WILL GO TO THE NEXT QUESTION. >> THE NEXT ONE INVOLVES SAFETY AND LOOKING AT THAT. I THINK -- WITHIN THE PARTICULAR AREAS, WE REALLY FOCUSED ON THAT. IF YOU REMEMBER FROM THE SAFETY SLIDE IT CONTAINED A FEW COLUMNS WHICH ADDRESSED MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. THE FIRE RESCUE RESPONSES.

AND THE FAR RIGHT COLUMN ADDRESS TRAUMA. HAVING MET TO DISCUSS THESE, THOSE WERE THREE ROWS THAT WORKBOOK THAT. THE DATA IN 2021 WENT UNTIL THE END OF OCTOBER. THIS PAINTED THE PICTURE, IF YOU ADDED ALL OF THEM UP THERE WERE FOUR. 2019 THERE WERE NINE. ONE THING TO MENTION, BE INTERESTING PART ABOUT THE NUMBERS BOTH ARE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE NOT THE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLARIFIED.

I SEE THE CHEAPEST BACK. HE HAD STOPPED RUN THE NUMBERS FOR THOSE TRAUMA RENTS FROM THE SAME TIME FRAMES FOR PARTICULAR FIRE DISTRICT AREAS. WOULD YOU MIND EXPLAINING.

THIS HIGHLIGHTED THE DISTRICT AREA AND THE NUMBERS WERE 8-6 AND 8.

I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR THE ANALYSIS OF THE OTHER DISTRICTS. >> I THINK WHAT THE COUNTY MANAGER AS EXPLAINED, ALL WE DID WAS LOOK AT THE SAME TIME. INCLUDING 2021 THROUGH OCTOBER 31. LISTED PHONE NUMBER OF TRAUMA ALERTS AN TRAUMA REDS.

AS WE DISCUSSED, WE APPLIED THEM ACROSS THE ENTIRE COUNTY TO GET PERSPECTIVE ON THE NUMBERS THAT OCCURRED WITHIN ANY ONE CALENDAR YEAR TO GIVE A FRAME OF REFERENCE BACK TO THE ROADWAYS

THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED. >> THESE ARE ESSENTIALLY THREE ROWS.

>> WE LISTED THE THREE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. THIS WAS AN ANALYSIS ON A MORE

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COUNTYWIDE BASIS. THIS DATA REPRESENTS COUNTYWIDE, MOTOR VEHICLE ACCIDENTS IN WHICH SERIOUS INJURIES OCCURRED. THAT IS THE DATA PRESENTD BEFORE YOU NOW.

>> I WOULD NOT SAY BACK, THE THREE ROWS THAT WE HIGHLIGHTED, THAT ROAD RUNS OUTSIDE OF THE PRIMARY STATION. TO DO A COMPARISON, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE ALTHOUGH BASED ON WHAT WE PRESENTED EARLIER AT THE TRAUMA REDS.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE THE NUMBERS ARE IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE COUNTIES.

>> I WOULD SAY BAY RUN BUBO THE NATURAL NUMBERS. THEY CAN VARY WIDELY FROM YEAR TO YEAR. IRONICALLY, THE DISTRICT 15 DATA IS CONSISTENT.

IT RUNS AT OR ABOUT THE SAME. >> IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE DISTRICT IT APPLIES TO THE MASTERPLAN DISTRICT. THEY ARE NOT A ONE TO ONE COMPARISON BUT 90% OR BETTER ARE

ENCOMPASSED I THE AREA. >> DO YOU NOT HAVE A NUMBER FOUR FATALITIES.

THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN SOME FRATELLI'S THE PAST YEAR. >> THE FIRE DATA THAT DOES NOT TRACK MENTALITIES. WE DON'T LOOK AT OUTCOME SPIRIT WE DO KNOW WITH TRAUMA REDS THEY ARE IN CARDIAC ARREST. THE PROBABILITY ABOUT BEING A PATHOLOGY IS RATHER HIGH.

CERTAINLY TRAUMA ALERTS. EVEN GIVING THE BEST OUTCOME. THE FERTILITY DATA TENDS TO BLACK AND WE DON'T CHARACTERIZED BY. THE DATA I SAW WHILE DATELESS BUT TALENTED THERE'S NOT ALWAYS A ONE TO ONE COMPARISON TO WHAT WE ALWAYS TRACK.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF ON THOSE? >> THANK YOU CHEAP.

>> OKAY, THOSE AREN'T THE TWO MAIN QUESTIONS ARE THERE ANY OTHER WE MAY POSE TO THE STAFF WHILE WE ARE HERE. IF NOT, I WOULD DIRECT THE BOARD, WE HAD THREE POSSIBLE CONSIDERATIONS ON THE LAST SLIDE. ONE WAS TO IMPLEMENT AND A MORATORIUM AND ALLOW FOR THE CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE MOBILITY AND IMPACT FEE ON THE MASTERPLAN ROADWAYS. AS I STATED THOSE MERCHANTS THREE POSSIBLE CONSIDERATIONS, THERE COULD BE MANY MORE TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

BUT PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

THE PRACTICALITY OF THIS IS THE LAKE HAS VERY MASTERPLAN SETS TARGETS AS TO HOW MUCH DENSITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE PLANTED TO EACH AREA. IF WE AS A BODY DON'T VOTE TO CHANGE THE DENSITIES, WE WOULD FOLLOW THE LAKE HAS VERY MASTERPLAN.

THAT IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HAVE HERE. ALL OF THE -- ALL THE MULTIPLE -- A MORATORIUM WOULD DO WOULD BE INHIBITED US FROM CHANGING THE DENSITY AND CHANGING THE

PLAN. >> THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL ONE THAT COURTNEY MENTION.

>> THE WORDING PROHIBITS THE ACCEPTANCE AND PROCESSING OF THE APPLICATIONS BY THE PLANNING

DEPARTMENT AND THE BOARD FROM HEARING THEM. >> THIS BLOCKS THEM FROM COMING IN. IF WE HAVE A GROUP SAY WE WILL NOT DO ANYMORE CHANGES THEY WOULD COME IN AND WE WOULD HAVE TO SAY NO. I'M JUST LOOKING FOR THE

PRACTICAL DIFFERENCE. >> I THINK WITHOUT A MORATORIUM YOU WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE EACH

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ONE AND MAKE A DECISION AT THAT.WHEN IT IS SUBMITTED TO YOU.

IF WE AGREED TO FOLLOW THE PLAN WE WOULD BE IN THE SAME POSITION.

>> BUT WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF.

>> IF YOU HAVE THE MORATORIUM BUT IF YOU DON'T YOU STILL HAVE TO HEAR EACH APPLICATION.

>> I WILL GO ON RECORD. I AM FOR FOLLOWING THE PLAN, IF IT TAKES A SPECIAL ACT OF

CONGRESS TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN I WILL GO ALONG WITH THE. >> DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT?

>> I WAS GOING TO LET THE COMMISSIONER FINISHES FOG. >> ANY OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? I WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.

RIGHT NOW I HAVE THREE CARDS. IF YOU HAVE NOT TURNED WENT IN, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND YOU

CAN JUST BRING YOUR CARD WITH YOU. >> UP FIRST IS LAURA.

THEN WE HAVE SUSAN FRASER ON DECK. >> GOOD EVENING MY NAME IS LAURA I'M THE INTERIM PRESIDENT OR THE CORPORATION. AS YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPER MY JOB IS TO RECRUIT QUALITY BUSINESSES INTO OUR COMMUNITY TO OFFSET THE RESIDENTIAL COST AND PROVIDE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY LOCALLY.

THIS WORK BENEFITS EVERYONE. I WANT TO PROTECT THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS COMMUNITY IS MY PRODUCT. I CAUTION TODAY TO BE MINDFUL OF YOUR MESSAGING AND INTENTIONAL WITH YOUR ACTIONS REGARDING THE BRANDING OF THIS COMMUNITY. FLORIDA AND TEXAS WERE THE HOTTEST MARKETS WERE RECRUITMENT BATTLING BACK-AND-FORTH. 2017 ARMOR LEGISLATORS/FUNDING THE ORGANIZATION CRUMBLED INTO A FRAGMENT OF WHAT IT WAS. I'VE BEEN THE OTHER PROGRAM WAS/. EVERYONE BLASTED THAT FLORIDA WAS CLOSED FOR BUSINESS.

FLORIDA IS STILL AN INCREDIBLE PLACE TO HAVE A BUSINESS. FOR THE MESSAGING TO INDUSTRY PROFESSIONALS THAT I HAVE TO MAKE A HARD LEVEL AND RAPID EVALUATIONS IS THAT FLORIDA IS UNSTABLE. THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.

THEY WERE UNSURE. THESE DECISIONS KILLED OUR PIPELINE.

ONE OUT OF FOUR BUSINESSES ARE CONSIDERING RELOCATING THEIR OPERATIONS.

THE SHEER OPPORTUNITY CREATED BY THIS IS IMMENSE. IT IS A WINDOW AND IT WILL NOT LAST FOREVER. WE HAVE GREAT PROJECTS AND OUR PIPELINE BUT YOU HAVE TO CONTROL THE MESSAGING. BUT LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO IS PUT UP A BARRIER THAT WILL KILL OUR DEAL FLOW PIPELINE BECAUSE YOU SEND THE MESSAGE THAT CLAY COUNTY IS ANTI- GROWTH.

WORKFORCE IS THE BEST PLACE FOR DECISIONS. THE RESIDENTS MOVING IN ARE MARKETABLE. FLORIDA IS GAINING 1,000 RESIDENTS EVERY DAY AND THEY ARE HELPING US SHOW UP. THE SITE SELECTORS ARE LIKE DEER IN THE TREE LINES WATCHING TO SEE WHAT WE DO BEFORE EXPLORING OUR COMMUNITY. THEY DO THAT TO NARROW THEIR FUNNEL AND THEN THEY WATCH US. THEY ARE WATCHING TO SEE HOW LEADERSHIP HANDLES THE PRESSURE OF GROWTH. HOW WE MANAGE IT. IF YOU CREATE BAD STRATEGIC MESSAGING IT WILL TAKE YEARS TO OVERCOME THIS REPUTATION. FLORIDA IS THE FASTEST-GROWING STATE FOR RESIDENTS BUT NOT BUSINESSES. WE ARE DIGGING OUR WAY OUT FROM THE LAST TWO ROUNDS OF BLOWS BUT WE ARE LESS COMPETITIVE. MY REQUEST IS TO BE MINDFUL OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE AND CONTROL THE NARRATIVE FOR CLAY COUNTY.

CLAY COUNTY DOES NOT NEED ANNA MORATORIUM IT IS NOT INSIDE GROWTH.

PLEASE DON'T STOP ANYTHING BUT THE MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE ABOUT MANAGING THE GROWTH, WORKING TOGETHER TO HAVE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH SO BUSINESSES THAT WE RECRUIT WILL CONTINUE TO DRIVE

FOR MANY GENERATIONS TO COME, THANK YOU. >> SUSAN FRASER.

>> I AM OUT OF CARD SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK AFTER SUSAN PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

>> SUSAN FRASER I AM HERE REPRESENTING A Y AND OWNER. WE HAVE FILED A PLAN AMENDMENT

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APPLICATION FOR A LAND DISTRICT. THE ON MORATORIUM WILL AFFECT THE PROGRESS OF THIS APPLICATION. I AM HERE TO DESCRIBE A REQUEST THAT YOU HAVE NOT HEARD IN A LONG TIME. ON YOUR AGENDA WILL BE A CHANGE FROM RURAL FRENCH TO RURAL COMMUNITY. FROM THREE UNITS TO ONE UNIT. THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF WHAT YOU HEAR EVERY SINGLE MONTH. NO MISTAKE THIS AMENDMENT WILL APPLY TO 100 ACRES AND REDUCE THE DENSITY FROM PRE-ONE 1-1. I'M NOT HERE TO ASK YOU TO CHANGE.

IF YOU DO DECIDE TO APPROVE THE LAND USE CHANGE THE A MORATORIUM WILL NOT PERMIT THE APPLICATION FOR THE REZONING. WHY DOES THAT HAPPEN, THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY A YOUTH CAMP. IT AS 0 RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TODAY.

ANY RESIDENTIAL DENSITY, EVEN WHAT WE PROPOSE AT ONE THIRD OF WHAT THE LAND USE ALLOWS IS AN INCREASE. THE MORATORIUM WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO ACCEPT THIS EVEN IF YOU DECIDE THAT THIS 100-ACRE PROPERTY IS BETTER AT A LOWER DENSITY.

I AM TALKING ABOUT THE YELLOW ON THE MAP THAT WAS HANDED OUT. WHAT I WOULD ASK YOU IS THAT, THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IF APPROVED, WILL HAVE HALF-ACRE LOTS, NOT THREE NOT 40 FEET WIDE THEY WILL EACH BE 40 FEET WIDE AND 840% OPEN SPACE. THIS WILL NOT BE DEVELOPED SO THE TREES WILL NOT BE CLEARED. THE PLAN WILL BE EXACTLY WHAT WE HEARD THE COMMUNITY SAY THEY WANTED. THEY SAID WE WANT DENSITY WE WANT OPEN SPACE ENTRIES AND WE DON'T WANT THE SMALL LOTS AND THE PROJECT WOULD PRODUCE THAT. WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE THAT. APPLY FOR THE REZONING. ALL THERE IS LEFT IS ONE-ON-ONE WE WILL EXPAND THE 121 WITH THIS APPLICATION WE WILL MAKE IT BIGGER.

FOR THIS TO PROCEED WE WOULD ASK YOU TO MODIFY YOUR MOTION. IF YOU CHOOSE TO HAVE IT AT ALL.

WE WOULD ASK YOU MODIFY AND APPLY IT TO LAND USE THAT INCREASE RESIDENTIAL DENSITY TO ONE UNIT PER ACRE OR GREATER. ALLOWING US TO PROPOSE THAT DENSITY.

THAT ISN'T EVEN ONE TO ONE THAT IS ONE UNIT PER 2 ACRES AND WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WHERE WE THINK THAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO MR. JONES HE IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR THEY ARE THE LAND OWNER THEY OPERATE A YOUTH CAMP I THINK HE WILL SPEAK.

HE WILL TELL YOU WHY HE IS HERE AND WHAT THE PROPOSED PLAN IS THAT WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> SO, I HAD YOU DOWN FOR THE WRONG NUMBER.

>> I'M DOUG JONES. THE REASON WE ARE SELLING THE CAMP, WE LOST OUR REVENUE FOR ONE YEAR END 70% THE FOLLOWING YEAR. WE WANT TO SELL THE CAMP OUR

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GOAL IS TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE WANT TO DO IT IN A WAY THAT FITS. LIKE SUSAN SAID IT WILL SET ASIDE WHAT IS RESERVED. IT WOULD HAVE THE OTHER 60 ACRES, AND WE WOULD NOT TRY TO CLUSTER THEM TOGETHER. THE GOAL WAS TO MAKE THEM WON HUNDRED FOOT WIDE AND SOME BIGGER. WE WANT TO MATCH THE AREA. FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, AND AGAIN I AM NOT A DEVELOPER. I'M TRYING TO DO THIS FOR THE CAMP TO SALVAGE THE MINISTRY.

>> I DON'T WANT AND REVIEW. IF YOU DON'T WANT IT BECAUSE YOU ARE GETTING A NEW PROPERTY

THAT'S FINE,. >> WE FEEL LIKE WE ARE THE WRONG FISH IN THE WRONG NIGHT.

OUR APPLICATION IS IN. WE WANT TO DEVELOP SOMETHING IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS THESE HOMES JAMMED IN WHERE THE TREES GET CUT DOWN. THAT IS THE THING THAT THE A MORATORIUM WANTS TO ADDRESS. BUT WE ARE THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. I THINK THERE'S ROOM, EVEN IF IT NEEDS TO BE IN PLACE FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN. I'M HOPING THERE'S ROOM FOR THE LAND OWNER THAT WANTS TO SELL IN A WAY THAT REFLECTS THE IMMEDIATE COMMUNITY AND MAYBE THE WRONG FISH CAUGHT IN THE WRONG THAT. BUT THIS WOULD SHUT US DOWN.

IM NOT SURE, WE WOULD BE THE GOOD GUY TRYING TO DEVELOP SOMETHING.

>> CAROL,. >> GOOD EVENING. I WAS HERE THIS AFTERNOON ALONG WITH MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND A LOT OF THEM SPOKE. WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF OUR TRUSTEE AT THE SAME TIME I HEAR WHAT DOUG IS SAYING. WE WOULD LIKE TO NOT INCREASE THE DENSITY IN OUR MASTER PLAN. AS TO THE MORATORIUM I WILL LEAVE THAT TO YOU TO FIGURE OUT.

I HOPE WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE DON'T HAPPENED THAT WE DO HAVE WHICH IS FALLING INTO DISREPAIR. I HAD A QUESTION THIS AFTERNOON. TO REPAIR THE CURRENT ROADS WHAT

MONEY ISSUES. >> ON THE SPECIFIC ROADS? >> LIKE THE HENLEY AND ALL THE

SURFACES, WHAT MONIES ARE USED FOR THAT. >> WE USE MOSTLY OUR SALES TAX WHICH IS ONE AND A HALF CENTS. AND DEPENDING ON THE PROJECT IT COULD BE A GAS TAX.

>> THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS. FROM HENLEY OUT THROUGH THIS AREA, IS PART OF THE PROJECT.

THAT WILL BE STARTING IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. THAT IS ALREADY IN THE ROADWAY.

>> SOME OF THAT WILL BE STATE MONEY. SOME WILL BE OUT OF OUR BOND AND

TRANSPORTATION. >> SPECIFICALLY THE ROADWAY THAT LEADS TO IT.

>> WE ARE WAITING FOR THE STATE TO HELP WITH THAT THEY WILL BUILD A BRIDGE.

AT SOME POINT WE WILL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHEN THE STARTING TIME WILL BE.

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>> I KNOW IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO SAY IT BUT I LIKE THE PLAN. >> GOOD EVENING, GEORGE EGAN.

IN READING THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, INCREASING OR DECREASING DENSITY.

WE HAD A LOT OF LAND AND THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. WE ARE PUTTING UP DEVELOPMENT WHICH WOULD REQUIRE 3-4 ACRES TOO FROM RURAL COMMUNITY AND THEN WE WENT TAKE IT TO RURAL COMMUNITY. THERE IS NO THAT INCREASE. I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION WHEN WE PUT IN AN APPLICATION TO DO THAT, THAT IS OKAY WE HAVE THE BROAD LANGUAGE AND WE HAVE SPECIFIC ISSUES, WE OWN 10,000 ACRES OF LAND. IF THIS GETS TIED UP THAT WILL DELAY THE PROJECT. I JUST LIKE TO GET CLARIFICATION THAT IF I PUT AN APPLICATION

INCOME THAT WOULD BE APPROVED. THAT IS YOUR UNDERSTANDING. >> I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THE

PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE AND MAKE A DECISION. >> BUT IF IT WERE.

>> IF IT WAS AN INCREASE THE PLANNING WOULD NOT PROCESS THE APPLICATION.

>> IF I PUT 3 ACRES IN THE MASTER-PLANNED AND PUT IT BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.

>> ASSUMING THAT IS THE CASE,. >> I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL.

>> A LOT OF CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE. I ALSO WANT TO ECHO WHAT LAURA

SAID. THE A MORATORIUM. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE A CARD?

>> DALE CARTER, I AGREE WITH MSA THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT HERE THE FIRES NOT HERE.

NOTHING ELSE IS HERE COMPARED TO THE HOMES YOU HAVE COMING TO YOUR AREA.

IT TAKES YOU AN HOUR. WHOEVER DESIGNED THE THREE LANE ROAD THEY ARE WASTING THEIR TIME. BY THE TIME YOU GET THE HOUSES THEY NEAR THAT ARE SUPPOSEDLY COMING IN THE AREA IT WOULD BE OBSOLETE. PEOPLE COME TO CLAY COUNTY FOR THE RURAL AREA. WHAT YOU HAVE OVER YEAR IS SHOTGUN HOUSES COMING IN.

SOME OF THE MAIN DEVELOPERS TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN TO NEW YORK, CHICAGO.

WHY DON'T YOU DO THE ONE ON ONE AND I NEED TO ASK A QUESTION AND COURTNEY CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THIS. IS THE A MORATORIUM GOOD FOR ONE YEAR SO THEY CAN APPLY FOR THE PERMIT FOR REZONING OR IS IT ONE YEAR, THAT THEY CAN START BACK BUILDING HOUSES.

>> THERE WOULD BE NO APPLICATIONS FOR INCREASE DENSITY, UNTIL AFTER DECEMBER

2022. >> YOU ARE MAKING PROBLEMS, THIS IS DISTRICT FOR BECAUSE YOU DROP THE IMPACT FEES. YOU JUST OPENED IT UP FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO COME IN.

THEY COULD STILL DO THEIR HOUSES THESE BIG DEVELOPERS CANNOT COME UNTIL YOU GET INFRASTRUCTURE.

YOU HAVE ONE THAT YOU APPROVED I THINK THEY HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS YOU CANNOT GET TO LANDING.

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WHY ARE THEY ACCEPTING THE APPLICATION TO DO THIS WHEN YOU CAN'T DO THIS.

209 IS A CLUSTER NOW. WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE WHEN YOU DO THREE LANE SPIRIT THAT WILL NEVER WORK. YOU -- CLAY COUNTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN BEHIND THE BALL.

TRIED TO DO SOMETHING IN FRONT OF THE BALL. NOTE DISRESPECT BUT BURKE IS ALREADY DEVELOPED. I APOLOGIZE IF I SAID ANYTHING. THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT HERE.

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE BEFORE YOU APPLIED THE APPLICATION.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY DON'T. THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW.

THIS IS BEFORE YOU LET DEVELOPERS COME IN AND DO THIS. >> ABOUT THREE LANE ROAD, WE HAD

CONSULTANTS TALK ABOUT THAT. >> DO THEY LIVE. >> NO, BUT THEY ARE NATIONAL PEOPLE. LOOK AT 83 LANE ROAD THIS IS A THROUGH ROAD.

AND ENGINEER -- >> I CAN TELL YOU IT IS A GROWING TREND THEY ARE USING THREE LANES, IF IT IS DESIGNED THE RIGHT WAY, THAT IS WHAT WE WENT WITH.

MAYBE YOUR ENGINEERING DEGREE SAYS SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THEIRS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO

TELL YOU. >> TO ANSWER YOU, YOU CAN'T DISCRIMINATE.

WE CAN'T HAVE JOE BUILDING HOUSES UNTIL SOMEONE ELSE THEY CAN'T.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS IF WE PUT AN A MORATORIUM IN IT IS FOR EVERYONE.

EVEN THOUGH I'M SURE JOE WOULD DOESN'T WORK. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING

ABOUT. ANYONE ELSE WITH THE CARD? >> THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

MY NAME IS JIMMY WEEKS, MY PROPERTY IS ON SANDRIDGE AND MY HOUSE SITS BACK.

I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE 46 YEARS. FORTY-TWO YEARS OF THE 46 YEARS WAS DRIING FROM MY HOME, WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE TODAY, INTO TOOL NINE TWO 17 AND EITHER TO THE COURTHOUSE OR THE ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. I CAN QUANTIFY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN 40 SOMETHING YEARS.

I SPENT 20 YEARS IN GOVERNMENT, PUBLIC WORKS AND ENGINEERING. WE HAVE A PROBLEM TODAY.

EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON, WE TALKED, WE SAID ONE DAY IT WILL BE REALLY BAD BUT IN FACT, IT IS PRETTY BAD RIGHT NOW BECAUSE TRAFFIC IS BEYOND -- I LOVE YOUR STAFF, YOU HAVE GREAT STAFF AIRPLANE I WANT TO DIRECT THIS TO OUR WORK. ALBERT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE AVAILABILITY CAPACITY AND YOU NAME THE THREE ROADS. YOU NAME TOOL NINE, SANDRIDGE AND YOU DID SAY, THE LAST NUMBER YOU HAD WAS 2019. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> YES, IT IS. ONE ITEM WE DID NOT SHARE, WE HAD DOCUMENTATION ON THE NUMBER OF C LATERALS WE HAD SINCE 2019. IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT DOES NOT CORRELATE TOGETHER BUT TYPICALLY WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, 180-230 PER YEAR. YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, YOU

COULD ADD MORE TO THE NUMBER. >> MY POINT IS, WE ARE ONE MONTH FROM GOING INTO 2022.

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THIS IS A THREE YEAR PERIOD WHERE THE HOUSES, ALL OF THESE HOMES, I CANNOT BELIEVE I LOOK OVER AND THIS IS HOUSES. THESE ARE BECOMING THOUSANDS. MY POINT, AND THE POINT OTHERS HAVE ALLUDED TO, IT IS FAR WORSE THAN WHAT WE TALK ABOUT. WE ARE BEHIND TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP. WHAT DOES IT DO FOR US TO WAIT FOR THIS TO BE THREE LANES, SURELY WE ARE STARTING WITH THE ENGINEERING NOTEBOOK BEFORE YOU GET IT COMPLETE TRAFFIC WILL BE MORE MASSIVE. THE POINTS THAT WERE MADE THIS AFTERNOON, YOU FOLKS ARE PUT INTO OFFICE HOPEFULLY, TO REPRESENT US. NO OFFENSE TO THE DEVELOPERS.

THEY BUY THE LAND THEY HAVE A PROCESS THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY. YET THE END OF THE DAY, THEY GO BACK AND WE ARE STILL OUT THERE WITH THE PROBLEM. AGAIN, COMMISSIONER BURKE IS TRYING TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. ONE OF YOU COMMISSIONERS TOLD ME TODAY AFTER THE MEETING THAT YOU DID NOT THINK IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER WHO SAID THAT. YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ARE GUESSING OR YOU ARE INFLUENCED BY SOMEONE THAT IS ALL I CAN SAY.

IM ASKING YOU, DO WHAT IS RIGHT TONIGHT. THAT IS TO CARRY THIS MORATORIUM FORWARD AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME FORWARD, THIS IS A WIN-WIN FOR THE COUNTY BUT YOU CAN DEAL WITH THAT AFTER-THE-FACT. PLEASE CONSIDER THE FACTS. THINK ABOUT THIS.

10,300 HOMES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. PER HOUSEHOLD YOU WILL MULTIPLY THAT TIMES TWO AND HALF CARDS.

WHAT IS THAT? THAT IS 25,000 CARS THAT WILL BE ON THE ROADS.

WHAT CAN WE DO WITH 25 MORE CARS ON THE TWO LANE ROAD. >> MI OUT OF TIME? I AM DONE. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. YOU DO A GOOD JOB.

WE ALWAYS WANT YOU TO VOTE THE WAY WE WANT BUT CONSIDER THIS ON THE MERIT OF WHAT WE ARE SAYING TONIGHT. I WOULD URGE YOU TO DO THAT. I LOVE WHERE I LIVE.

I WOULD LOVE FOR MY CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN TO LIVE THERE BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP.

>> ONE OF THE LONGER GOODBYES. >> IT IT'S HARD TO SAY NO. HE'S ON A ROLL.

>> ANYONE ELSE WITH A CARD OR AN INTEREST IN SPEAKING? >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FORGET ANYONE. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS? >> AS FAR AS -- AGAIN IT IS ONLY A YEAR.

I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD MESS UP THE PLAN THAT GREATLY. YOU HAVE A LOT OF THINGS YOU HAVE TO DO TO GET THE AREA READY. AS FAR AS THE PEOPLE WANTING IT I WAS AT A TOWN HALL WHERE PEOPLE WERE STANDING. I THINK ONE PERSON SAID SHE WAS FOR IT. EVERYONE ELSE WAS ASKING, WHY DIDN'T YOU COME TO US WHY DID YOU ASK US IF WE COULD COME UP WITH THE MONEY. YOU HAD TONS OF PEOPLE.

I DISAGREE WITH THAT. THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN, THEY SPOKE LONG BEFORE TODAY, THEY ARE ASKING FOR YOU TO HALT IT. THAT IS THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO.

THAT IS THE ONLY THING LEGAL -- WE DON'T KNOW THE TOTAL OUTCOME BUT AGAIN IT IS THE ONLY THING

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WE CAN DO. AGAIN, I AGREE. WE WANT THE STATE TO KNOW OUR MESSAGING. IN THIS TOWN, THIS TOWN IS GROWING MORE THAN WE CAN TAKE AND OUT THEY WILL LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS.

SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA ARE OVERCROWDED. I CONSTANTLY GET E-MAILS FROM PARENTS OF KIDS HAVING TWENTYSOMETHING KIDS IN THE CLASS.

THESE KIDS, WHERE THE HOMES WILL BE BUILT HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND WE HAVE NO SCHOOL HAPPENING UNTIL 2,023. THEY JUST NAMED THE SCHOOL THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LIGHTED SPIRIT THAT IS INFRASTRUCTURE. WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT. IF WE ARE AGREEING TO THAT WHY NOT GUARANTEE THAT TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE ARE HALTING IT. THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO LISTEN TO THE APPLICATIONS IF WE ARE GOING TO ABIDE BY THE LAMSBD.3 I AM ASKING MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO STAND BEHIND ME AND THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SPOKEN.

HELP US OUT FOR JUST THIS ONE YEAR. THAT IS ALL WE ARE ASKING.

WHEN YEAR PERIOD. >> A I WILL JUST GO ON RECORD AND SAY I SUPPORT BURKE AND HER A MORATORIUM. IT WAS CLEAR TO ME TODAY WE DID NOT HAVE ONE LANDOWNER CAME UP AND SAID ALLOW US TO CHANGE OUR DENSITIES SO WE CAN SELL OUR PROPERTY.

ALL WE ARE DOING IS SAYING THAT YOU CAN'T SELL THAT'S RIGHT YOU CAN SELL YOUR PROPERTY FOR A LOT MORE MONEY THAN YOU COULD YESTERDAY. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE OF THAT ANYWAY. WE ARE A GOVERNMENTAL BODY WE DON'T DID -- GET TO DECIDE WHO MAKES THE BIG BUCKS. I AM AWARE THAT MY DISTRICT HAS A LOT OF AGRICULTURAL LAND.

WHEN THEY GET TO THE POINT WHERE THEIR KIDS DON'T WANT TO FARM THAT IS THERE 4O1K.

I DON'T WANT TO INFRINGE ON ANYONE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS BUT I DON'T THINK WE ARE YEAR PERIOD MR. CARTER BROUGHT UP A DEVELOPMENT WHERE HE SIGNED WENT UP.

IT WAS A MULTI FAMILY UNIT. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THE ZONING FOR THAT, 2005.

THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.

THEY ALREADY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED. THEY STILL HAVE TO FOLLOW THE BLOOD REQUIREMENTS AND THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IN PLACE FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT.

WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE WE WILL TALK ABOUT, THE PART WE CAN AFFECT IS SMALL.

THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ON 220 HAD LANDING BOULEVARD WE DON'T GET TO DECIDE.

THEY GOT THE ZONING FOR THAT IN 2005. I REALLY THINK WHERE WE NEED TO GO, AS A COUNTY GOVERNMENT, THAT HAD GROWN AS MUCH AS OURS HAS GROWN, ACTUALLY 15 YEARS SINCE THE MASTER PLANS WERE DEVELOPED IS TO HAVE OUR STAFF COME BACK TO US AND LOOK AT THE MASTER PLANNED AND SEE IF WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO HOLD THE DENSITY THAT CAN BE BUILT WITHOUT THEM COMING TO THE BCC. IT IS TIME TO STOP CHASING THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE IS A PROPOSAL AGENDA. THERE IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN MY DISTRICT.

THERE'S NOT WATER AND SEWER WHERE THEY ARE. I UNDERSTAND TALKING TO STAFF.

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THEY WILL TAKE A LOT OF STAFF TIME. BY PUTTING THIS IN PLACE, AT LEAST IN THIS COMMUNITY WE WON'T TAKE OUR PLANNING STAFF, WHICH I THINK IS THREE PEOPLE.

WE WILL NOT TAKE THEIR TIME TO CONSIDER THE DENSITY CHANGES WHEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE CODES. WE HAVE DISCUSSED ABOVE LOT SIZES AND THE TREES THAT WILL BE CLEAR-CUT OR PUT INTO TREES THAT DIED WITHIN A YEAR. I DO SHARED THE CONCERNS OF DISTRICT FOR BECAUSE IT'S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE TO KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING NEXT.

NOW COMMISSIONER YOU HAVE YOUR GREEN COAT PEOPLE COMING. YOU DODGED THE BULLET WITHOUT ONE. AND THEN CLAY COUNTY UTILITIES IS TAKING WATER AND SEWER OUT, WHAT IS COMING WITH THAT. IT IS TIME THAT WE SAY, LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE IS IMPORTANT. THEY ARE THE WANT TO VOTE AND PAID THE TAXES.

NOT THAT OTHER BIG LANDOWNERS DON'T PAY TAXES, THEY DO BUT IT IS IMPORTANT TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. I THINK COMMISSIONER BOLA MENTIONED, YOU REACH A TIPPING POINT. CLAY COUNTY CITIZENS ARE OVER THAT.

I SUPPORT YOUR A MORATORIUM AND WE NEED TO GO FURTHER TO GET THINGS IN PLACE SO WE DON'T HAVE

TO DO THIS ANY LONGER THAN THE 12 MONTHS. >> I GENERALLY SUPPORT THE IDEA.

I DID LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS AND I'M WONDERING IF WE CAN CALL THIS SOMETHING OTHER THAN AN A MORATORIUM. ALL WE ARE DOING IS FOLLOWING OUR OWN PLAN.

SHUTTING THIS OFF FROM COMING IN. CAN WE CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE OR

IS THIS A LEGAL TERM? >> I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, CAN WE DO A RESOLUTION THAT WOULD ADHERE TO THE MASTER PLAN AS IT IS WRITTEN, I WAS TOLD THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE COULD DO.

I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON YOUR TOES BUT I DON'T LIKE CALLING IT AN A MORATORIUM.

I THINK IT WILL BE BAD FOR US. THE ACTUAL WORD. I THINK THAT CAUSES A PROBLEM

AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW. >> I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL LOVE IT.

I WISH I HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN PLACE WHEN OAKLEY WAS DEVELOPING.

>> THE SAME THING WITH FLEMING ISLAND. I THINK YOU CAN IDENTIFY AREAS AND UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE OF TIMING WE WERE NOT ABLE TO STEP IN AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

>> THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THE GROWTH ISSUE, SITTING UP HERE THERE ARE VERY FEW LEVERS TO CONTROL THIS OR STEER IT WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO. ONE SIZE AS TO FIT ALL AND IT IS A TOUGH NUT TO CRACK. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO SLOW THIS DOWN WITH THE GROWTH AND MAYBE SOME OF THE COSTS. THAT HAS NOT AFFECTED IT. WE COULD CHARGE TWICE AS MUCH AND PEOPLE WOULD COME FLOODING IN HERE. THERE'S NOWHERE LEFT TO GO.

I DON'T WANT TO SHUT DOWN GROWTH COMPLETELY BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT IS TIME TO TAKE A BREATHER.

IF WE CAN'T CALL IT ANYTHING ELSE I WILL SUPPORT IT. BUT ALL WE ARE DOING IS

FOLLOWING THE EXISTING PLAN, PERIOD. >> COMMISSIONER?

>> I WILL TAKE THE OPPOSITE VIEW HERE. WE ALREADY HAVE 10,000 HOMES DEPENDING ON THE TIMEFRAME. THEY WILL BE BILLED. WE ALREADY HAVE THE BOND OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN IN PLACE. THE ROADS WILL BE BILLED. THREE LANE HIGHWAY, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC BUT I LIVE IN ORANGE PARK. WHEN THESE AREAS CAME IN IT CONTRIBUTED TO 80,000 CARS COMING IN. WE KNOW TRAFFIC.

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WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT IS A DENSITY DECISION, WE ARE JUST GOING TO FOLLOW A PLAN. I WORRY ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES. AND THERE IS A CONSEQUENCE THAT WE WILL BE PROHIBITED FROM COMPLYING WITH, IF WE ENACT THE A MORATORIUM.

WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT CHANGING THE MP. >> MR. REAGAN TALKED ABOUT TRAINING WORLD COMMUNITY. THE QUESTION I HAVE, THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN IS PER PARCEL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARCELS GEORGE'S TALKING ABOUT. EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THE NET GAIN OF 0, IF THERE ARE TWO YOU CAN'T DO IT. THOSE ARE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BARELY I REJECT FROM TAKING CONTROL FROM THE COMMISSION.

I WANT TO EVALUATE EVERY PROJECT IN RELATION TO THE BETTERMENT OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

THAT WON'T BE ALLOWED. I AM OKAY WITH THAT. IT REALLY DOES NOT MATTER.

BUT, I THINK IT IS THE WRONG SIGNAL TO SEND TO INDUSTRY. THEY PLAN DECADES IN ADVANCE AND IF THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO A STABLE OR UNSTABLE SITUATION, I KNOW I WOULD GO TO THE STABLE ENVIRONMENT. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THE A MORATORIUM.

>> I THINK WE HAVE HAD A GOOD DISCUSSION. AND AS FAR AS THE BOARD IS CONCERNED. AGAIN, I WILL REPEAT THE STATEMENT I SAID EARLIER, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM STICKING TO THE MASTER PLAN. IN SOME CASES I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE TREES AND HANDLING IT IN A FASHION, WE LOOKED AT THE MASTER PLANS WHICH IS TAKING THE POWER AWAY AND PUTTING IT IN THE HANDS OF AUTOPILOT. I SAID THIS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND YOU MAY REMEMBER, THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. THE BOTTOM LINE, IF THERE IS A PROJECT OUT THERE, THEY WILL HAVE TO COME TO US OR MAYBE SOMEONE MAY NOT MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THE TIMEFRAME. UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

MAYBE THE COMMISSION WILL SEE IF THERE'S AN INCREASE OR DECREASE. SO, WE ARE LOOKING TO ATTRACT COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE, NOT TO CHASE IT ANYWAY. PUBLIX IS ACTUALLY TALKING TO LAND OWNERS. THEY COUNT ON ROOFTOPS. THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED ROOFTOPS AND THEY WILL GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY WILL HAVE THE ROOFTOPS THAT THEY NEED. THAT IS JUST A SMALL EXAMPLE OF THE THOUGHTS I HAVE ON THAT.

LEGAL ISSUES. COURTNEY SAID THAT MAY NOT BE THE CASE BUT THERE MAY BE A LANDOWNER WHO SAYS THEY CAN HAVE A LEGAL ISSUE WITH THE SPIRIT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT TIME AND PLANNING. WILL THAT HAPPEN, I DON'T KNOW. YOU KNOW, I THINK LIKE I SAID, I TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY FOR US TO GET WHAT WE NEED TO SATISFY THE CONSTITUENTS IN TERMS OF

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TELLING THEM, YES, WE HAVE THE PLAN AND THE THOUGHT AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THAT IS TAKING CARE OF. NOT ABANDONING THE PLAN. I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. I FEEL LIKE IT LET US DOWN THAT WE DIDN'T COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE PROBLEM SO IT WOULDN'T BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE COUNTY.

UNLESS WE CAN FIND A WAY, I DON'T SEE WAY FOR ME TOO MORATORIUM.

I THINK THAT IS THE PROBLEM. IT'S NOT THE IDEA BEHIND IT. CONSEQUENTLY, THEY ARE PUT INTO PLACE, AND MAYBE IT WAS A SAFETY PROBLEM. RATHER THAN DEFLECT WHERE WE ARE GOING, MAYBE WE SHOULD ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE CAUSING IT.

MAY BE THE SCHOOL BOARD AS A PLAN. A LOT OF THE KIDS WILL BE MOVING

AND THAT IS A DIFFERENT STORY. >> IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM ON THE ROAD LET'S FIX IT.

IF WE HAVE PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE ARE CUTTING TREES, LET'S ADDRESS THE PROBLEM.

IF WE THINK PEOPLE NEED TO BE ON A BIGGER LOT, LET'S ADDRESS THAT.

BUT BY CALLING THAT INSANE WE WILL PASS THIS NET AND PREVENT ANYONE FROM COMING THROUGH, THAT IS A PROBLEM. TAKING SOMEONE, WHO WANTS TO TAKE THIS PARCEL SO WE END UP IN THE SAME PLACE IN A DEVELOPMENT THAT PAVES A ROAD THAT WILL CONNECT 2018 TO THE EXPRESSWAY, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I HOPE I GET THIS RIGHT. I WROTE IT DOWN.

THERE'S A QUOTE THAT SAYS THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNMENT IS KEEPING GOVERNMENT OUT OF BUSINESS. THAT IS WHAT I THINK WE ARE DOING HERE.

WE ARE SHORT CIRCUITING WHAT WE HAVE SET UP WITH THE FOUNDING FATHERS.

I GUESS IN THIS CASE MOST OF US DISAGREE. THEY SET LIMITS AND PUT THINGS IN PLACE. MAYBE IT'S NOT FOR US TO MAKE THE CHANGES.

AND LET ME TELL YOU UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. PEOPLE IN MIDDLEBURG ARE THEY GOING TO WANT ONE. PEOPLE IN CLAY HILL. WHEN THINGS ARE GROWING, IT'S ON US TO MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT HAPPEN. IN THE PAST IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

THE BOARD FOR WHATEVER REASON CHOSE NOT TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

I CANNOT SUPPORT THE MORATORIUM I CAN SUPPORTS TAKING TO THE PLAN AND NOT LETTING PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH INCREASING ZONING AND ADDING FIVE HOUSES INSTEAD OF ONE.

IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO GET AROUND IT I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. TENSION CAN I ASK A QUESTION? SO, THOUGH WORDING OF THIS.

HE WAS READING PART OF THE ORDINANCE BUT IT SAYS ANY REZONING THAT INCREASES THE ALLOWABLE DENSITIES AND THE FAME LANDOWNER OWNS THE LAND. IF I OWN TWO PARCELS I CAN MOVE THE PLOT LINE SPIRIT I CAN LEGALLY CHANGE DESCRIPTIONS BECAUSE I OWN BOTH PROPERTIES.

IT IS A PLURAL. IF YOU BRING IN MULTIPLE PARCELS AND YOU WANT TO DO SWAPS, WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT, THEY BELIEVE THEY WILL ACCEPT IT. IT IS A SWAP FOR A SWAP THAT IS EQUAL. WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED IS NOT PRESENTED THAT WAY.

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WE WOULD CONSIDER EVERY APPLICATION. THE WORD IS PLURAL.

TO YOUR POINT. >> THAT MEANS IT WOULD NOT APPLY IN THE EXAMPLE.

>> HE OWNS A LOT OF PARCELS. >> IF IT WAS A TRUE SWAP FOREX SWAP, YES.

THEY WOULD EVALUATE IT. >> AND COMMISSIONER, I THINK THAT IS THE POINT.

WE COULD NOT MAKE A DECISION AT OUR LAST MEETING BECAUSE WE HAD DIFFERENT LAND OWNERS WANTING DIFFERENT CHANGES IN THIS ONE WAS ARBITRARILY LEFT OUT. IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT. THIS WAS THOUGHT OUT INTO ZERO ZERO FIVE BUT WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT WORLD TODAY. IT IS DIFFICULT -- I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER TERM WE CAN

USE. >> UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. I DON'T SEE ANY VALUE IN AND A MORATORIUM THAT WE CANNOT FIX AT THIS LEVEL. AND WE HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SOME

OF THE CASES WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. >> THE ISSUE IS WE HAVE NOT

STOPPED THE EXPANSION. >> THINKS WE COULD NOT DECIDE ON.

THE SAME REASON WE BONDED THE ROADS BECAUSE WE HAD TO LOCK IT UP SO PEOPLE WOULDN'T KEEP CHANGING STUFF. WE ARE AT THAT SAME ISSUE RIGHT NOW, HOW DO WE --

>> YOU MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS YOU CAN WITH THE INFORMATION GIVEN.

WE ARE TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT OCCURRED IN 2006-2018. BUT LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION TONIGHT ON TODAY'S INFORMATION. >> YOU TAKE THAT AWAY, I DON'T LIKE IT. I WAS ELECTED TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE CONSTITUENTS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS AND YOU ARE TAKING THAT AWAY FROM ME AND I DON'T LIKE IT.

>> CAN'T MAKE A MOTION? >> I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO OPPOSE ON ANY AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT EFFECTIVELY INCREASES THE ALLOWABLE DENSITIES WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN AREA OR ANY PROPOSED REZONING THAT EFFECTIVELY INCREASES THE INTENSITY OF ANY LAND IN THE AREA PROVIDING FOR DURATION AND EXCEPTIONS FOR EFFECTIVE DATES.

THAT IS MY MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION, DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE ARE ALL DISCUSSED OUT.

ALL IN FAVOR STATE AYE. ANY OPPOSE A KNOW. THE MEASURE PASSES 3-2.

>> AND THE PEOPLE SAY THANK YOU. >> I WILL REPEAT WHAT I HAVE SAID BEFORE.

I WISH IT COULD HAVE GONE THE& OTHER WAY ON HESITANT TO USE THE WORD MORATORIUM AND I HAVE MY

FINGERS CROSSED THAT IT WORKS OUT. >> I DON'T LIKE USING THE WORD EITHER, BUT IT IS ALL WE HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY LEVERS TO CONTROL THIS.

>> . PEOPLE WORKED ON FOR A LONG TIME.

I -- YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE PASSED, I HAVEN'T PASSED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS A LOT WERE ALREADY IN PLACE. WE JUST VOTED ON WHETHER THEY SHOULD MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.

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>> WE HAVE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD AND THOUGHTFUL BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS THAT ARE LOCAL TO HEAR. SOME OF WHICH I CONSIDER FRIENDS.

WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE BIG COMPANIES THAT COME IN AND THEY OFFER LANDOWNERS CRAZY AMOUNTS OF MONEY AND THEY BUILD THESE CRACKERJACK HOUSES THAT FALL APART.

COMMISSIONER BURKE TALKED ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING TO CLAIM WARRANTIES.

I WORK JOB IS WE ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE AND THAT WAS THE POINT.

>> LET'S GET BACK ON SCHEDULE. >> WE WILL GO TO 17. FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT

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PCD RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND TONY WILL HELP US. >>

>> IF YOU WOULD BRING THOSE DOWN HERE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> SO TONIGHT THIS IS A PROJECT IN FLEMING ISLAND AND THE PROPERTY AS A FUTURE LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL.

IT IS FOR PLANNED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS ALLOWING RESTAURANTS TO

SELL ALCOHOL BEVERAGES ON PARCEL A LETTER ONE ONLY. >> THE APPLICANT IS WISHING TO BUILD A RESTAURANT ON THE WESTERN HALF THAT WILL HAVE INTERIOR SPACE, OUTSIDE EATING AREA AND AN OUTSIDE -- OUTSIDE PLAY AREA. THE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ALLOWS FOR USES THAT ARE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH ALLOWS RESTAURANTS SERVING BEER AND WINE OR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WITHOUT BEER AND WINE. THIS WOULD BE TAKING IT WON

MINORS DEATH TO ADDING THICKER. >> THE LOCATION IS ON HIGHWAY 17 THIS IS NORTH OF 220.

IT IS DIFFICULTLY BOTTOM PART. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE RECTANGULAR PIECE.

IT'S HARD TO SEE THE GREAT LINE. >> THIS IS ZOOMING INTO THE RECTANGLE ON THE BOTTOM.

THERE IS AN EXISTING BUILDING ON THE EAST END OF IT. HIGHWAY 17 IS ON THE LEFT SIDE.

MOST OF THAT PARKING, THE PARKING IS THERE. THEN YOU HAVE THE OUTSIDE SEATING ON THE PLAY AREA TO KEEP A BUFFER FROM THE ROAD. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DIDN'T VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL O THIS ITEM.

>> THE PARCEL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IS A STRIP MALL. >> ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S GET BACK ON TRACK. WHAT IS THE EXTENSION THERE I'M NOT SURE TO BE HONEST.

>> I DON'T THINK IT IS DEVELOPED BUT I REMEMBER THIS -- ORIGINALLY.

WAS GOING TO BE LIKE A PET PARADISE THERE. WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

IT WAS A ROADWAY IT'S NOT CONNECTED BUT THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHTOF-WAY.

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>> I DO HAVE ONE CORRECTION. >> ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS THE RATIONALE.

THEY HAV THEIR SUNDAY BRUNCH WHERE THEY SERVE MIMOSAS AND DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> DID YOU SAY THIS WAS. >> DID WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS BEFORE.

>> THE PLANNING COMMISSION SOLID. >> MAYBE THAT IS WHAT I AM THINKING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I THOUGHT WE HAD SEEN THIS

BEFORE. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS. >> I WILL MOVE TO FULL.

>> WE TEMPT YOU WITH THE PLEA PIZZA. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> ANYBODY HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? >> I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I WILL BE BRIEF. I WANT YOU TO ENJOY, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE BEARDS THIS WOULD BE LIQUOR AND YOU CAN CURRENTLY HAVE A RESTAURANT THERE ALONG WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS. WE DO WE HAVE SUBMITTED BUILDING PLANS FOR THE RESTAURANT ALREADY AS OF A MONTH AGO. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, WE DO HAVE SUPPORT.

THANK YOU. >> I DID NOT REALIZE YOU WERE HERE.

>> ANYBODY ELSE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING ON THIS ISSUE? I WILL CLOSE IT AND BRING IT

BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND THEY SECOND-PERIOD ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE IT CARRIES 5-0. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE BUILDING.

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>> NUMBER 18. PUBLIC HEARING TO ADOPT -- >> THIS IS KNOWN AS THE JENNINGS FARM. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 220.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CHANGE FUTURE LAND USE. THERE'S TWO PORTIONS.

THAT THE APPLICANT IS MAKING A REQUEST THIS WOULD -- WE HAVE. >> THIS IS A PARCEL.

>> THOSE ARE THE PORTIONS OF THE PROPERTIES. IT'S NOT THE OLD ONE IS JUST --

IT'S JUST TWO PARCELS. >> CAN CHANGE A PORTION OF THE PARCEL.

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>> YOU CAN. >> HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. >> THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY,

SINGLE-FAMILY TOWNHOMES THIS PROJECT IS SINGLE-FAMILY. >> THAT HAD TO COME DURING HER

MOTHER. >> I'M CONFUSED. >> THE PARCEL, WHERE THE AREA IS PROPOSED, THERE IS NO DEVELOPMENT PLANT IN THAT AREA. AS I UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT THAT

GREAT FOR DEVELOPING HOUSES. >> IT IS A LITTLE HIGHER ELEVATION THAN MOST OF THE

PROPERTY. >> BUT IT IS BUILT LOW WORD -- IT MAKES IT UNDESIRABLE FOR THE

HOUSES BUT IN THE CONSERVATION. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> THE PARCEL ON THE NORTH

PROPERTY? >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE >> THE ONE RIGHT ON THE WATER.

>> I'M SORRY. THAT IS THE PEACE CURRENTLY CONSERVATION AND THEY ARE PROPOSING TO MAKE -- PART OF THE REASON THERE IS A LOVE. MOST OF THAT PARCEL IS HIGHLY ELEVATED, THERE IS A SMALL PORTION I WILL SHOW YOU WHERE THERE IS SOME WETLAND AREA AT THE BOTTOM, BUT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN EASEMENT OVER THAT PORTION.

SO, NOTHING WOULD BE DEVELOPED OUT THERE. >> AGAINST MY QUESTION IS, BLACK CREEK FLOODED AT 38 FEET. NOW THEY ARE ONLY 18 FEET UNDERWATER.

BUT I GUESS THAT IS ANOTHER PROBLEM. I GUESS THEY CAN BUILD ON THAT.

I HAVE TO GET SMARTER ON THE BUILDING CODES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

ANYWAY. IT IS STRANGE TO ME THAT WE WOULD WANT TO BUILD ON BLACK

CREEK AND IT FLOODS FREQUENTLY. >> ANY OTHER -- >> I THOUGHT COVER THAT.

THEY ARE PROPOSING A SINGLE-FAMILY COMMUNITY, 16 OF THE LOTS, ARE DOWN BY THE RIVER.

THE OFFSET -- THIS WOULD BECOME CONSERVATION LAND. SO, THERE IS THE CURRENT AND ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A GREAT DEAL OF CONSERVATION LAND SO THE TWO AREAS ARE AN EXPANSION IT'S NOT RANDOM. THE PROJECT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT, THAT IS THE LAYOUT OF THE CONCEPT PLAN. ON THE BOTTOM, ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, THAT -- IF YOU TAKE ME TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IT SHOWS THE AREA AND THE CEMETERY IS OUTSIDE OF IT BUT IT IS IDENTIFIED IN

THE PLAN. >> CAN YOU DEFINE ARSENAL? AUTHOR OF THIS HISTORICAL STUDY AND HE CAN GIVE YOU A DEFINITION. IT IS A PLACE.

>> EAGLES BACK TO THE INDIAN WAR. >> TOMAHAWK'S?

>> CONTINUE. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADDRESSES HISTORIC RESOURCES AND WE HAVE IT THERE. THERE WAS A PHASE I STUDY DONE. THE APPLICANT REACHED OUT TO THE STATE AND TO AN OUTSIDE SOURCE WHO WILL SPEAK TO YOU, TO ADDRESS THE SITE AND THE

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FEATURES OF THE SITE. THEY WERE PROACTIVE ABOUT IT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-0 BUT THEY ADDED A CONDITION THAT THE EASEMENT WOULD BE ADJACENT WOULD PROHIBIT FENCES AND ANY BOARDWALKS IN THE AREA WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE ELEVATED.

THERE ARE FOUR PARCELS RIGHT NOW THAT ARE PROPOSED TO OCCUPIED THE FULL APART AND THIS EXTENDS DOWN THROUGH THE WETLAND. IF THE HOMEOWNER WANTED TO BUILD STAIRS AND HAVE THEIR OWN THOUGHT, THAT THERE WOULD BE OKAY. BUT IN BOARDWALK WOULD HAVE TO BE ELEVATED BUT TYPICALLY YOU CAN'T PUT STRUCTURES OF ANY KIND BEYOND A BOARDWALK.

SO THEY WOULD BE LIMITED. >> TO BE CLEAR. WHEN YOU SAY STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND THE -- THIS IS ONLY CHANGING ONE PARCEL AND SWAPPING IT FOR THE OTHER TWO.

THIS IS NOT THE APPROVAL OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT. >> JUST A PORTION OF THOSE LITTLE PARTS. THIS IS ACTUALLY COOL. THE BUILDER AS A LOT OF NICE FEATURES THAT PROTECT. THEY WILL OPEN IT UP TO SCHOOL GROUPS.

THERE IS A BODY OF WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE. >> THE ONLY THING COMING AND THE

ONLY THING WE CAN SAY IS THE CHANGING OF THESE THREE PARCELS. >> I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE, I'VE ONLY HEARD FROM ONE RESIDENT BUT I'VE HEARD RUMORS OUT THERE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS BEING SLID PAST THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND NO ONE WAS TALKING PUBLICLY.

I AM TRYING TO STOP THE RUMORS. THIS LAND, IT GOD IT ZONING IN 2005 AND THE MASTER PLAN.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, IF NOT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> THIS WILL COST YOU BIG. >> MY NAME IS FRANK MILLER. >> DID YOU HAVE A SLIDE

PRESENTATION? >> NO. >> MY ADDRESS IS SUITE 2300.

I WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THE COMMENTS. THIS APPLICATION IS SOLELY TO CHANGE A 6-ACRE PIECE TO MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY AND TO EXCHANGE IN EFFECT TWO PARCELS THAT ARE INCURRED MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES. THE NET INCREASE OF THE CONSERVATION IS ABOUT 13 ACRES. LET ME START AT THE BEGINNING. THIS APPLICATION WOULD NOT EVEN BE NECESSARY BUT FOR A FEW THINGS. THE FIRST IS THE PCN WAS INTENDED, THE JURISDICTION LINE UP THE HILL, 25 FEET. THAT WAS THE BASIC RULE BUT THE COUNTY FELT LIKE, WE DID NOT WANT LITTLE SLIVERS HERE AND THERE.

THE PRIMARY NETWORK NEEDED TO BE 200 FEET WIDE. WHEN WE'VE LOOKED AT THE PROJECT, WE'VE LEARNED THE COUNTY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE BLACK CREEK.

IF WE WERE RUNNING FROM THE WETLAND LINE, WE WOULD NOT BE ASKING FOR CHANGE BUT SINCE WE HAVE TO RUN UP THE HILL, WE ARE ABOVE THE 20-FOOT BLOCK. WHAT WE ARE ASKING TO DO IS

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ALLOW US TO USE THE BELOVED. THIS EASEMENT WILL GO UP AS MUCH AS 60 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE RIVER. THE OTHER REASON AS THEY POINTED OUT, THIS DEVELOPER AS UNDERTAKEN EFFORTS TO PRESERVE, PROTECT AND ENHANCE THE SIGNIFICANCE AND THESE ARE ALL HISTORICAL SITES ON THE PROPERTY. NOT ONLY IS THE PRIMARY AREA OF BEING RESERVED, BUT THE CEMETERY IS BEING OBSERVED BOTH ITEMS IN TALKING WITH STAFF, IT WAS DETERMINED, IT IS NOT CLEAR WHETHER YOU CAN BUILD ANYTHING INCLUDING A SHELTER, PAVILION OR ANYTHING IN AN AREA UNDER PRIMARY CONSERVATION NETWORK CATEGORY.

IN ADDITION TO NEEDING TO REVISE THE PLAN OR CATEGORY TO ALLOW FOR THE USE OF THE BLUFF, WE NEEDED TO REVISE IT TO BE ASSURED THAT THE PAVILION CAN BE CONSTRUCTED OR AT THE SITE IT IS INTENDED ADJACENT TO THE SUPPLY DEPOT AREA. I HOPE THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S ACTUALLY SIMPLE, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS AND YOU WHAT WE HANDED OUT AT THE PLANNING

COMMISSION MEETING. IT IS HELPFUL TO SEE THE CONCEPT >> THE HISTORICAL STUDY IS INCREDIBLE. IT IS REALLY FASCINATING TO READ.

IT BEGAN 10,000 YEARS AGO. THE FOCUS ON WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT NOW.

ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE, THIS IS THE CUL-DE-SAC WHICH WILL ACCESS THREE LOTS THAT WILL RUN DOWN TO THE CREEK. IT SAYS ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

ABOVE THAT, WHERE THERE IS A HEDGE, THAT IS THE AREA OF THE OLD SUPPLY DEPOT.

THROUGH IT THERE WILL BE A PATH KNOWN AS THE NATURE PAVILION. DOWN FROM THAT, THE DOCS FOR THE CANOE LAUNCH. THERE IS NO ASSURANCE THE PAVILION WILL LOOK LIKE THE NATURE PAVILION BUT THAT IS THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, THAT WE WERE NOT CERTAIN THE COUNTY WOULD ALLOW TO BE CONSTRUCTED. AND THEN, THE OTHER ELEMENT, THERE WILL BE BATHROOM FACILITIES UP BY THE ROAD. IF WE DO NOT MAKE THIS CHANGE, IT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR CONSTRUCTION. IT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR LOTS TO BE INCLUDED.

>> WHO WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UPKEEP? >> THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.

>> WE LOOK AT THE CUL-DE-SAC. ARE THOSE LINES FOR RESIDENTIAL LOTS?

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>> SHOOTING OFF OF THE CUL-DE-SAC, YOU CAN SEE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.

YOU CAN SEE THIS PLACES WHERE THE 21-FOOT BLUFF IS. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT DROPS TO THE CREEK. THE HOME CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE ABOVE THAT SPOT.

WE TALKING ABOUT? >> THE -- DOES IT INCREASE THE

DENSITY? >> TRANSFERRING FROM MASTER PLAN TO PCN.

THIS WILL ALLOW THE PRESENTATION OF THE CEMETERY -- >> BASED ON THE DRAWING I HAVE FROM STAFF IT SHOWS THERE ARE FOUR PROPOSED LOTS THAT WOULD GO INTO THIS PCN AREA IN EXCHANGE FOR ALL OF THE LINES ON THEIR. IT ACTUALLY AFFECTS, IF I AM RIGHT, IT AFFECTS FOUR LOTS.

>> YES, I THINK IT AFFECTS MORE. YOU HAVE TO COUNT TO WHERE THE PCN LINE WOULD BE.

HE COULD PUT MORE WHERE HE IS PROPOSING PCN. HE COULD PUT MORE LOTS THERE.

>> WITHOUT THIS CHANGE BUT IT WOULD BE ON THE CREEK. IT WOULD NOT FACILITATE THE

SUPPLY. >> ANYTHING WITH WATER MANAGEMENT?

>> I KNOW THEY OFFERED A LETTER, WITH THE FLOOD ZONES. >> NO HOMES WILL BE CONSTRUCTED IN THE FLOODWAY. UP THE HILL, THE HAZARD AREA -- MY HOME IS IN AE FLOOD ZONE.

BUT I'VE NEVER BEEN FLOODED. >> YOU JUST BUILD AS BEST AS IT CAN BE DONE.

I WOULD LIKE TO RESERVE TIME TO HAVE OUR CONSULTANT RESPOND TO WHAT MAY BE RAISED.

I AM AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> WE ALWAYS LET THE APPLICANT

COME BACK AND FINISH OF. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION.

>> WE ARE GOING INDIVIDUALLY. PAT, DO YOU WANT TO START? >> AND COME ON UP, WE DON'T LIKE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE REINFORCEMENTS.

>> WE ARE A LITTLE CLEAR ON THE SPOTS WHERE YOU HAVE AUTHORITY TO MAKE A DECISION.

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WHEN WE ORIGINALLY GOT THE INFORMATION WHICH I POINTED OUT IN MY LETTER IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING, ALL OF US WHO LIVE IN THE FLOODWAY AND WHO WERE FLOODED AND 2017, THE LARGEST FLOOD WE EVER HAD, THAT IF THERE WAS ANY DEVELOPMENT OF ANY TYPE WE WOULD RECEIVE NOTICE AND WE WOULD COME TO PUBLIC COMMENTS BUT WE DID NOT RECEIVE WHAT FEMA CAUSE A NOTICE OF ANY DEVELOPMENT IN A FLOODPLAIN. WHAT WE GOT WAS A COPY OF A NOTICE OF A PLAN CHANGE WHICH I AM SURE IS A LEGAL PROCESS YOU GO THROUGH, A ZONING CHANGE WITH THESE THREE BIG SQUARES ON THEM.

THE PROPERTY WAS NOT WELL DEFINED. THE ELEVATIONS WERE NOT DEFINED.

THE INFORMATION ON THE FLOOD ZONES WERE NOT DEFINED. I BRING THAT UP TO SAY THAT IT'S RIGHT THERE IS NO CROWD HERE. YES THERE ARE PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE FLOODPLAIN AND RIGHTLY SO. IF THEY WERE HERE I WOULD ASK THEM TO STAND.

BUT RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT GET ENOUGH INFORMATION.

THEY WILL BE BACK AND THEY WILL SPEAK. WE HAVE TO TALK THE THREE CHANGES THEY WANT TO MAKE TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. WERE NOT HERE TO STOP IT.

WE ARE HERE TO EXPRESS THE FACT IT WILL AFFECT ALL OF US ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH.

IT WILL RAISE THE FLOOD LEVEL. IF THERE IS SOMEONE HERE TO TELL US IT IS NOT I WANT IT -- I WANTED TO BE SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THE HYDROLOGICAL IMPACT WHO HAS LIVED ON THE CREEK FOR 50 YEARS I KNOWS THAT BEAR CREEK WAS 70 FEET DEEP. IT IS NOW 30 FEET.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THIS WATERWAY. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING ON THE FEMA FLOOD RATE MAP. THIS IS NOT ON THAT LEVEL I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS I KNOW THE PROPERTY FLOODED OVER 20 FEET, MY HOUSE WAS AT 15 FEET THAT WAS NOT US STABLE PLACE THEY CAN TALK TO ABOUT THE MINOR CHANGE BUT THEY ARE PUTTING INTO PLACE A BIG PROBLEM.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE MINOR CHANGE. WE GAVE YOU MAPS.

I ASSUME YOU HAVE THEM. WE CAREFULLY PLOTTED THE ELEVATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAPS ARE IMPORTANT BUT TO TELL YOU THE ELEVATIONS ON THAT SIDE ARE BELOW 15 FEET. JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT. NOW, THE ISSUE THAT THEY HAVE TO CHANGE THE SQUARE AT THE BOTTOM, WHAT THEY SAY IS THEY WANT TO MAKE THE CHANGE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO AVOID CONFUSION ABOUT CONSTRUCTION OF AMENITY CLOSE TO THE WATERS EDGE TO INCLUDE THE LAUNCH WITH THE RESTROOM FACILITY. THE RESTROOM FACILITY WILL NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE IT IS IN THE FLOODWAY. IT HAS TO BE RAISED.

>> YOU CAN FOLLOW ME,. >> WHEN YOU DID THE PLANNING FOR YOUR ZONE, IN A CONSERVATION

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AREA, I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY WANT TO READ THAT, BUT THEY ARE TRADING TO PARTIAL IN THE AREA.

THEY'RE NOT GIVING YOU ANYTHING IT LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER, I SEE A LOT OF OTHER LITTLE THINGS BUT THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. THE CUL-DE-SAC, AND THE LOTS AND THE RETENTION PONDS, ALL OF THAT IS BEYOND THE 15-FOOT ELEVATION. THEY ARE HOVERING OVER AN AREA 10 FEET.

THE ROAD IS NOT GOING TO GO DOWNHILL. THEY'RE DOING ALL OF THIS ENCROACHMENT AND THE POND HAS TO HOLD THE WATER. YOUR FILLING IN A LOT OF AREA HOW ARE THEY COMPENSATING, THEY HAVE UP ON WHICH GOES FROM ELEVATION NINE DOWN TO TWO.

IF THEY DIG DOWN THIS WILL BE FULL OF WATER ANYWHERE. THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO KEEP IT FROM RISING TOO FAST OR TOO HIGH. I READ WERE A CIVIL ENGINEER SAID, PUTTING A RETENTION POND OR A COMPENSATION POND IN THE LOW-LYING AREAS IS STUPID.

HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS. >> CAN YOU WRAP UP.

PARENT I KNOW, I GOT OFF THE SUBJECT I WAS GOING TO GIVE YOU TIME TO WRAP UP.

THEY ARE SWAPPING TWO PIECES IN THE FLOODWAY BUT YOU HAVE DESIGNATED A PLATE YOU CAN BUILD

UP BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT,. >> IT WAS DESIGNED WITH SOME STRUCTURE IT WAS -- ACCORDING TO

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YOUR DOCUMENTS, FLOOD PLANS. IT WAS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE WATERWAYS.

>> I APPRECIATE THAT, YOUR TIME IS UP BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER.

ANYONE ELSE POSTPEAK WORK WE DO HAVE AN ENGINEER -- >> OUR MAP SHOW THE ELEVATION LEVELS IT IS WELL ABOVE THE HOMES WILL BE ABOVE THE ELEVATION.

THERE IS NO CONSTRUCTION EXCEPT THE BOARDWALK THAT WOULD BE IN THE FLOODWAY.

THAT IS BELOW 15 FEET AND THAT WILL FLOOD I'M TAX SHELTER THIS ACCEPTABLE TO BEING WASHED AWAY.

THE -- NO HOMES WILL BE MADE IN THE FLOODWAY. THERE ARE FLOOD HAZARD AREA ON EVERY PIECE OF PROPERTY. SOME PORCHES WILL BE AND EIGHT ZONE WHEN THEY WILL BE ABOVE 80 COMPENSATION WILL BE INCLUDED. I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

>> DID WE HEAR FROM THE HYDROGEOLOGIST COME ON DOWN SORRY IDENTIFY YOURSELF.

>> I LIVE AT 5845 MASTERS ROAD AND ST. JOHNS COUNTY. TED JIM, HOW ARE YOU RELATED TO

THE PROJECT QUACKED. >> ON THE FLOODPLAIN AND CONSULTANT.

>> COULD YOU SPEAK TO THE CONCERNS ABOUT ELEVATION OF THE ROAD AND THE FLOODPLAIN?

>> FEMA ESTABLISHED WHAT WE THOUGHT WERE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD ELEVATIONS AT THE NORTH END OF THE PROJECT ON THE MAIN BRANCH. IT IS 15 ON THE NORTH BRANCH TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROJECT.

A LOT OF WHAT WE ARE DEVELOPING IS HIGHER EVENT THAT SOME OF THE LOTS WILL BE FILLED I SUBMITTED A LETTER TO THE COUNTY TODAY. WE WILL REMOVE THE LODGE FROM THE FLOOD ZONE.

ALSO ADDRESS ANY TECHNICAL COMMENTS THAT THE ENGINEERING HAS AS REVEALED TO MAKE SURE

EVERYTHING IS SATISFIED. >> YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH FEMA AFTER THE HURRICANE EVENT OF 2017, IRMA, THEY WERE FLOODED AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED BE NOTIFIED OF ANY DEVELOPMENT ON

THE CREEK. >> WHEN YOU CHANGE THE FLOOD MAP, THEN YOU HAVE TO NOTIFY THE

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PEOPLE. >> BY DOING THIS CHANGE, CAN THERE BE, TO USE THE

COMMISSIONERS TERM UP AND DOWN THE CREEK. >> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE

LAND USE CHANGES. >> THE PROPERTY IS UNIQUE. WHERE THEY ARE PROPOSING THE GAZEBO, THIS IS AROUND ELEVATION AND THIS IS IN THE FLOODWAY AND ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION WHICH WOULD QUALIFY IT TO BE ZONE X. WE WILL HAVE A MAP CHANGE

REQUEST. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE THOUGHTS?

>> I WONDER IF HE COULD SPEAK TO THE FLOOD ISSUE. >> I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE WORKING ON APPROVALS WERE WERE JUST GETTING PRELIMINARY INFORMATION.

HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY'RE ASKING US TO CHANGE THE MAP, WHY WOULD WE CHANGE IT WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT I THINK THIS IS PREMATURE WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON

IT. >> HIS CHANGES THROUGH THE FEMA RENTAL FEMALE MAP FOR MAYBE I

MISUNDERSTOOD BEFORE. >> IF YOU GUYS DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU EXPECT ME TOO KNOW IT'S BEEN A TOUGH MEETING WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR FOUR HOURS. WE WERE HOPING FOR THAT PARENT BUT WHAT WILL WE HAVE RESIDENTS ASKING QUESTIONS WE WANT TO GIVE THE BEST ACTORS MY NAME IS RICK WOULD WE HAVE THE PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE. WE HAVE SUBMITTED FULL ENGINEERING TO THE COUNTY. WE HAD A SET OF REVIEW AND THAT IS WHEN WE LEARN THE ESTIMATES IN THE AREA THAT IS WHAT PROMPTED THE APPLICATION FOR THAT CHANGE.

MR. HUMPHRIES WAS REFERRING TO THE APPROVAL, IF WE WANT TO SUBMIT SOMETHING TO FEMA WHERE

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WE CHANGE WHERE THE PAVILION IS PROPOSED THE COUNTY HAS TO APPROVE IT CHANGING THE MAP, THAT IS UP TO YOUR STAFF TO SAY YES OR NO. MR. HUMPHRIES, IS AN INVOLVED IN MY CIVIL ENGINEERING SO HE IS NOT FAMILIAR WHERE WE ARE IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

HE IS MY FEMA EXPERT AND THAT IS WHY WE HIRED HIM. I'M NOT SURE IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. IF NOT ASKED ME AGAIN AND I WILL DO MY BEST.

>> I WILL DO MY BEST TO ASK A QUESTION THAT YOU UNDERSTAND. >> LET ME SAY YOU HAVE A GREAT REPUTATION, YOUR STUFF IS USUALLY ALWAYS ABOVE GRADE. I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HOW WE HAVE LOTS THAT REACH DOWN TO THE WATER. WE HAVE ONE PIECE AND WE ARE EXCHANGING A. FORGIVE ME IF I AM CONFUSED AS TO HOW WE ARE GETTING WHERE WE

ARE GOING. >> BACK WHEN THIS WAS DONE, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN YOUR WATERWAYS AND WETLANDS, IT IS OUR OPINION THE COUNTY MADE A MISTAKE WHEN THEY DID THE PLANNING.

THEY DID IT WITH THE MOST ACCURATE INFORMATION THEY HAD BUT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THEY EITHER USED -- I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I CANNOT EXPLAIN IT.

IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER AREAS, AND IF IT IS A HIGH BLUFF LIKE THIS IT'S NOT SHOWN AS PCN.

WE THINK THERE WAS A MISTAKE WHEN THE PLAN WAS INACTIVE AND WE ARE TRYING TO CORRECT THAT

BASED ON TOPOGRAPHIC INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE. >> DO OUR ENGINEERING PEOPLE

AGREE WITH THAT? >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE IT IS A FUTURE LAND-USE CHANGE. OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN AREA THAT IS THE DRC REVIEW AND THAT PART OF IT. IT DOES NOT REALLY APPLY TO THE DISCUSSION YOU'RE HAVING TONIGHT ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND-USE. IT LOOKS TO US, PUTS THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE FOUR LOTS UP ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN WHICH THEY SAY IS 14 FEET.

THEY CANNOT BUILD BELOW. IT MAKES SENSE THAT IT SHOULD BE DEVELOPED, AND WE WERE SWAPPING THAT PORT TWICE BUT DENSITY AND PROTECTED LANDS ON THE PROJECT SPIRIT I UNDERSTAND, WE GET PULLED INTO THE DECISION BUT, AS FAR AS THIS APPLICATION, I THINK YOU CAN LEAVE STAFF TO DO THE ENGINEERING. EVERY PROJECT HAS TO WORK IT OUT.

>> THE QUESTION IS, WHY DO WE APPROVE IT NOW KNOWING THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS NOT LOOKED AT IT. WHAT IF THEY SAY THAT IS NOT THE CASE, WE HAVE ALREADY GIVEN THEM

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APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD, ISN'T THAT BACKWARDS? >> MY QUESTION, IF YOU FEEL THE

LAND -- I FEEL THEIR CONCERN WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT IT. >> EVERY DEVELOPER, THERE

PROJECT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MITIGATE THEIR STORMWATER. >> THEY HAVE TO DEVELOP PONDS TO HANDLE THE STORMWATER. YOU ARE SAYING, CAN YOU REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID LIKE SANJIV YOU ARE FILLING IN LAND ON THE FLOODWAY. IF YOU FILL THE LAND THE WATER HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHICH MEANS IT WILL RAISE FLOODWATER ELSEWHERE.

>> BUT THEY ARE NOT RAISING LAND ON BOTH FLOODWAY. >> NO THEY ARE NOT.

>> NO FIELD, WILL GO INTO THE FLOODWAY. NO CONSTRUCTION WILL GO INTO THE FLOODWAY. NO IMPROVEMENTS OTHER THAN THE SHELTER.

LET ME EXPLAIN, THE PLAN, THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROVIDE FOR CHANGES BUT IT PROVIDES THAT YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU ENHANCE BY ADDING PROPERTY TO THE PCN AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE. IF IT WERE AS EASY AS SAYING THIS IS THE PIECE DOWN HERE, WE WANT TO LABEL IT MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY, SO IT ALLOWS US TO GO THROUGH THE ENGINEERING PROCESS, WE WOULD HAVE DONE IT. WE RECOGNIZE WE READ THE CODE IT SAYS WE NEED TO INCREASE THE PCN. WE DIDN'T JUST INCREASE IT, WE TRIPLED IT.

WE ENHANCE THE CONSERVATION NETWORK BY DOUBLE ACTUALLY. WE ARE ASKING FOR SIX ACRES TO BE CONVERTED, AND 19 ACRES TO BE CONVERTED FROM MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY TO PCN.

I AM SURE THERE ARE PROPERTIES ALL OVER AND IN SOME CASES LIKE ASTBURY THAT AS LAND USE THAT IS FULL OF WETLANDS. THEY MAY BE ISOLATED OR THERE MAY BE OTHER ISSUES THAT CANNOT BE DEVELOPED, BUT IT DOES HAVE LAND-USE DESIGNATION. WHEN THEY TAKE THE PROPERTY AND PUT A PLAN ON IT AND GO TO ENGINEERING ENGINEERING SAID YOU CANNOT DO THAT, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR TONIGHT. WE ARE ASKING FOR A CHANGE IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WOULD ALLOW THE DEVELOPER TO TAKE THE PROJECT, AND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD IF THE ENGINEER SAYS YOU ARE NOT COMPENSATING ENOUGH FOR WHATEVER YOU ARE PUTTING IN THE FLOODWAY, BUT IN ANOTHER AREA, THEY WILL HAVE TO CHANGE IT. THAT IS THE DISTRICT, THE COUNTY AND FEMA.

YOU CAN'T WILLY-NILLY DO THAT. WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY IS FOCUS ON THE ISSUE AND THAT IS SIMPLY THE LAND-USE WHICH ALLOWS THE PROCESS TO GO FORWARD. YOU DO HAVE OTHER BREAKS AND ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATIONS THAT HAVE TO BE EVALUATED IN ORDER TO ALLOW THEM TO DO THIS.

BUT THEY CAN EVEN GO THAT FAR. >> YOU ARE ASKING FOR A CHANGE? TED YES IF I COULD EXPLAIN THAT BETTER, WE SUBMITTED A FULL SET THREE MONTHS AGO. THEY REVIEWED IT AND NOW WE ARE BACK TO REVISING IT TO ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS. ONE OF THEIR COMMENTS WAS, PART OF YOUR PROPERTY MEETING THESE LOTS IS LOCATED WITHIN ECN AND THAT IS NOT ALLOWED.

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WE ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, THE ZONING DEPARTMENT COMMENT.

WE ARE WELL INTO THE DESIGN STAGE. HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE A PERMIT WITHIN THE NEXT 45 DAYS. WE HAVE ASKED THE COUNTY TO REVIEW OUR PLANS KNOWING THE THE EASTERLY PORTION ON THE SITE, WE HAVE AN ELEVATION OF TEN UP TO 14.

THAT VOLUME, OUR ENGINEER HAS CALCULATED AND WE ARE DOING A STORAGE THAT ACCOMMODATES FOR THAT. IT IS A VERY SPECIFIC PROCESS AND CALCULATION, WE HAVE DONE THAT AND THEY HAVE COME UP WITH THE VOLUME AND WE ARE DOING WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO.

WATER MANAGEMENT LOOKS AT THAT, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DONE WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO.

>> WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE LOTS? >> THEY ARE PROBABLY ABOUT 300 -- 200-FOOT OF DEPTH. I MEAN, I WILL SAY THIS. I THINK OUR TOTAL DENSITY IS 314. WE HAVE A MIXTURE OF 125, 60-FOOT LOTS, AND APPROXIMATELY 190, 50-FOOT LOTS. IF YOU DENY IT, ALL I WILL DO IS TAKE THE 60-FOOT LOTS AND GET THE DENSITY I NEED BUT THAT WON'T MAKE FOR A GOOD DEVELOPMENT.

TO ME, WHAT I AM ASKING, THE END RESULT IS FOR A BETTER PROJECT, AND IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE CREEK

>> PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER HIM SORRY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> I ACTUALLY WENT OUT, I WENT WITH STAFF AND WE SPENT AN HOUR AND A HALF ALL OVER THE PROPERTY. THAT IS WHY I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE FLOODING AND THE REAL ISSUE, THE ONLY THING WE CAN VOTE ON IS WHETHER WE PUT MORE PROPERTY UNDER CONSERVATION.

THAT IS ALL WE CAN VOTE ON. WE CANNOT STOP HIM. EVEN IF HE DID NOT CLOSE ON THE PROJECT, THE SISTERS WANT TO SELL THE PROPERTY. THEY HAVE THE ZONING THEY NEED MORE DEVELOPMENT. AGAIN, I WILL REITERATE THE COMMENTS I MADE EARLIER.

THAT WAS BEFORE IRMA AND MATTHEW SO IT BEARS AS A COUNTY AND WE LOOK AT THOSE THINGS OVERALL.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE WERE NOT PEOPLE WHO REBUILD THEIR HOMES. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO THAT.

THERE'S UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY ON THE CREEK. WE DON'T HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO SAY PEOPLE CAN'T DEVELOP ON THE CREEK BUT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING AND FLOOD AREAS. I SUPPORT THE CHANGE BECAUSE IT CONSERVES MORE PROPERTY AND I WISH ALL OF YOU HAD TAKEN THE TIME I TOOK THE TIME, IT ATTACKS THE SITES THAT ARE ON THE

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PROPERTY. HE HAS REALLY NICE PLANS TO HAVE LIKE THAT TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY. SOME OF THIS PRESERVES MORE THAN WHAT WAS GOING TO BE PRESERVED.

I THINK HE MEETS OTHER REQUIREMENTS AND ALL WE ARE SAYING IS HE CAN MOVE FORWARD

WITH THIS. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND PERIOD ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE HE CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU.

[19. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of LDC 2021-09. Planning Commission voted 6-0 to recommend approval with changes as deemed necessary by the County Attorney. (D. Selig)]

>> MOVING TO NUMBER 19 THE ADOPTION OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CHANGES DEEMED

NECESSARY BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. >> I JUST HAVE THIS QUICK SUMMARY FOR YOU OF WHAT THE CHANGES ARE. THIS IS IN RESPONSE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONS DIRECTION THAT WE STANDARDIZE OUR PUBLIC NOTICE ON WHO WE MAILTO, ZONING APPLICATIONS, I WILL SEND A NOTICE TO EVERYONE. WE DON'T HAVE IT AT THIS TIME, A REQUIREMENT FOR FUTURE LAND USE. THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU IS TO ADDRESS THAT AND STANDARDIZE THE LANGUAGE WE USE. THAT'S IT. SHORT AND SWEET.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? TANGIBLE FOR APPROVAL. >> DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A HEARING?

>> OF ON, WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON NUMBER 19. I SEE NINE WE WILL CLOSE THE HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE

BOARD. >> I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA TO LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT'S GOING

ON. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AT THE SECOND.

ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS QUESTIONS ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED?

[20. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider transmittal of CPA 2021-11. (District 5, Comm. Burke) Item Continued from Oct. 26, 2021 (D. Selig)]

IT CARRIES 5-0. NUMBER 20 HAS BEEN PULLED, THAT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND MAP PARCELS FOR LAKE ASBURY MASTER-PLANNED VILLAGE CENTER AT SANDRIDGE ROAD AND THE FIRST

COAST HIGHWAY. >> YOUR AN ITEM 20? YOU DON'T NEED THE PUBLIC

HEARING. >> OKAY. >> EXIT STAGE LEFT.

>> AND THAT WON'T BE ON THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT. >> MR. BROWN YOU HAVE 21 WHICH

[21. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Second Public Hearing to consider LDC 21-13: Text Change to LDC to add Solar Facility as a Permitted Use in an Agriculture Zoning District. Planning Commission voted 4-2 to Recommend Approval. (M. Brown)]

IS A SECOND PUBLIC HEARING LDC 21-13 TEXT CHANGE TO LDC TO ADD SOLAR FACILITY AS A PERMITTED USE AND AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FOR REFERENCES RECOMMEND

APPROVAL. >> THIS IS A SECOND HEARING. THE FIRST HEARING WE HAD DISCUSSION ON NOVEMBER 9, JUST A BRIEF BACKGROUND AND HISTORY. THE STATE ADOPTED AND INSTITUTED SECTION 163 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES WHICH BASICALLY PERMITS SOLAR FACILITIES, BECAUSE OF THAT WE HAD TO CHANGE OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO IMPLEMENT AND BE CONSISTENT WITH THE STATE CHANGE. THE WORDING IS, THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS IN RED TO ADD SOLAR FACILITIES, BRINGING FORWARD THE OFFERING REQUIREMENTS IN THE ORIGINAL CODE.

THE COMMISSIONER I STOPPED TO INVESTIGATE EXPANDING THAT CODE. WE LOOKED INTO THAT, WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL, HE FELT THERE WOULDN'T BE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 200-100 FEET HOWEVER, 200 FEET, IS CONSISTENT WITH SOME OF THE MORE INTENSIVE USES, MAKING YOU AWARE THE

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PLANNING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE PROPERTIES.

THE NEXT CHANGE WAS TO DROP THE SECTION THAT HAS THE CONDITIONAL USE AND PROHIBITS ANY SOLAR FACILITIES, THAT WAS THE OTHER CHANGE TIED TO THIS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE FOR-2. BUT TO REITERATE THAT DID INCLUDE THE BUFFER.

HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BROWN AT THIS TIME? LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. VERSUS ITEM 21. DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS? I DON'T SEE ANY LET'S CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING QUESTIONS ARE

MOTION? >> I SAY WE APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.

>> WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? 200 AND THE RESIDENTIAL AREA APPEARED.

>> THAT IS 100 FEET. >> WHAT THE COMMISSION VOTED ON WAS 100 FEET.

THE COMMISSIONER AS THE LOOKING INTO OF 200 FEET. THE MOTION WAS FOR 200 FEET.

STAFF HAS NO ISSUE EXPANDING IT. IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT IS ALLOWED.

THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS. WE ALSO HAVE 100-FOOT BUFFER AND THAT WAS IN THE CODE PREVIOUSLY.

>> IN THIS DOCUMENT ON OUR BACKUP WHICH IS 21 -- 13. >> THE DRAFT, I DID IT REDRAFT THE ORDINANCE IN ANTICIPATION OF THAT. -- THIS IS IF YOU ARE LOOKING IT

UP ON THE COMPUTER. >> SIGHED AND REAR SHALL BE NO MORE THAN 200 FEET.

OR TO LANDS WITHIN A DISTRICT WHERE THE PARCEL IS 28 INCHES IN SIZE.

THIS IS SELF-LOVE GRINKOV. IT WAS CONCERNING WEDNESDAY HAD THE FIRE.

THE HOMES COULD BE IN DANGER. >> IS JUST NOT IN MY BOOK. >> STAFF MAY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE

ON THAT. >> THE ORDINANCE SAYS 200 FEET. >> MY QUESTION IS, WHY NOT

500 FEET. >> THE ONLY RESPONSE IS WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATION INDICATED.

YOU CAN PLACE SETBACKS ON SOLAR FACILITIES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH LIGHT USES AND GODDESS BUT

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DIFFICULTY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT A LIGHT USES. >> 200-FOOT, THOUGH BOILER HOUSES HAVE 200 FEET. WE HAVE WIDER SETBACKS WE HAVE 100-FOOT SETBACKS, FOR BMX AND

MOTOCROSS FACILITIES. >> AND THE COMMUNICATION ANTENNAS AND TOWERS.

>> THERE IS A RADIATION HAZARD THERE. UNLESS IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY NOISE OR SMELL. THERE MAY BE SOME BUT THEY ARE NOT USUALLY ON THE BOUNDARY.

I DON'T KNOW. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> I GUESS I WAS CONFUSED BECAUSE IN ONE CASE, THAT'S RIGHT IT'S BEEN STRAIGHTENED

OUT. NO PROBLEM. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> I HAVE TO VOTE NO ON THIS. >> >> YOU CAN ALWAYS VOTE NIL.

>> THIS IS ACTUALLY PUTTING IN MORE CONTROL. >> THEY CAN PUT THIS ANYWHERE THERE IS A FARM. AND NORMALLY THE WAY THE DEVELOPERS WORK THEY GET THE LAND AND THEY BAKE IT AND THEY DON'T PUT ANYTHING ON IT. ALL OF THESE GUYS.

>> I COULDN'T DO THAT. I'M JUST EXPLAINING. >> BUT I DON'T SUPPORT THEM

SAYING I HAVE TO PUT IT WHERE THEY WANT. >> WE HAVE EMOTION AND A A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. I HAD NONE WE WILL FILE THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED CRACKS IT CARRIES

[22. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to consider adoption of Z-21-10. (District 5, Comm. Burke) Planning Commission voted 6-0 to recommend approval. (M. Brown)]

3-TO. >> MOVING TO NUMBER 22 THE ADOPTION OF --

>> THEY VOTED 6-04 THIS ONE. >> THIS IS A REQUEST FOR REZONING.

24 ACRES FROM COMMUNITY BUSINESS THE APPLICANT IS SUNCOAST IT IS ON LANDING BOULEVARD.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HEARD THIS NOVEMBER 2 AND DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

THIS IS A BRIEF BACKGROUND. THIS IS A PIECE OF A LARGER PARCEL.

IN TOTAL IT IS 53 ACRES, BUT IT HAS LIVED ZONING AND LAND USE THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE FROM THE PRESIDENT ZONING TO BV TO. THE REMAINDER OF THE PARCEL THAT IS SUBJECT TO THE REZONING, IT IS DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL AND AS APPROXIMATELY 700 FEET OF PARCEL.

THE DISTRICT IS LESS THAN THE EXISTING DISTRICT. PURSUANT TO THE APPLICATION, THE

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REQUEST FOR THE REZONING IS TO FACILITATE THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE BOAT STORAGE FACILITY WHICH IS A PERMITTED USE. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU A MAP OF THE SITE.

YOU CAN SEE THE FRONT IS THE SUBJECT PARCEL. THERE IS COMMERCIAL ZONING TO FOOTNOTES NORTHWEST SPIRIT THAT PORTION OF THE PARCEL PUD IS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL AND YOU CHURCHMAN USE OR THE PUD PRIMARY ZONING IS RESIDENTIAL. JUST MAKE A NOTE THAT MOST OF THE PUD AND THE SOUTH IS FAIRLY WIDE. IT'S UNLIKELY THERE WILL BE DEVELOPMENT THERE IF ANYTHING AT ALL. THERE IS AN AERIAL SHOWING THE LOCATION, AND A BRIEF SUMMARY THE REQUEST, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH COMMERCIAL ELEMENT USE.

THE ZONING IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE DESIGNATION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID VOTE 6-02 RECOMMEND APPROVAL AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, I

BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BROWN? >> HEARING NONE WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ASKED THE APPLICANT IF HE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.

COME DOWN LET'S HEAR FROM YOU. >> MY NAME IS. I LIVE AT 8003 JAMES ALLEN

TRAIL. HOW ARE YOU GUYS THIS EVENING? >> HANGING IN THERE.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? >> >> COME CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE

SO WE CAN PICK YOU UP. >> WE HAVE OF APPROXIMATELY, EIGHT AND A HALF ACRES THAT WE WILL BUILD A BOAT AND RV STORAGE FACILITY. WE ARE BUILDING A DEALERSHIP ACROSS THE STREET WHICH IS IN PROCESS. WHAT WE WANT TO DO HERE IS NOT ANYTHING MAJOR. WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT WITH THE PROPERTY BUT WHAT WE WANT TO

YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN EXCEPTION. ANY QUESTIONS? >> CAN'T YOU FIND SOMETHING

BETTER TO DO WITH THAT? >> I DRIVE THROUGH THERE ALL OF THE TIME IT REALLY GIVES ME

HEARTBURN. >> YOU WANT TO SELL THE RVS AND STORE THEM FOR PEOPLE?

>> THAT IS PART OF IT BUT THE REASON WE ARE DOING IT, IN THE FUTURE WE MAY WANT TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE DEALERSHIP. WE WILL PROBABLY END UP WITH 6070 EMPLOYEES AT THAT FACILITY.

I'M SURE YOU WILL WANT SOME PROPERTY TAXES. IT IS ALL POSITIVE FOR US AND CLAY COUNTY. WE JUST NEED TO DO IT AND GET ME OUT OF HERE.

>> JUST THAT SIMPLE. >> MR. BROWN, WHAT IS THE BUFFER THEY HAVE TO DO?

>> A LOT. ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL, I BELIEVE IT IS 25 FEET.

>> ARBAUGH LEAVE THE FRONT SETBACK IS 20 FEET OR 25 FEET. >> OKAY.

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QUESTIONS? >> THE SAME SUBJECT LINE, WITH THIS IN THE BACK, DOES HE HAVE

TO HAVE A FENCE. >> HE WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL BUFFERING AND SETBACK

REQUIREMENTS BETWEEN THE COMMERCIAL AND ANY RESIDENTIAL. >> IF THERE'S NOTHING THERE,.

>> THERE COULD BE. HERE CAN BECAUSE IT IS DESIGNATED WETLANDS.

IT IS WET, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS GET PERMITS IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO MITIGATE.

>> IT COULD BE RESIDENTIAL. DOES HE HAVE TO MEET A CAPACITY OF 90%.

>> ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. >> EVEN IF THERE'S NO ONE THERE. >> THAT IS MY QUESTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? >> CAN YOU KEEP A BOTTLE OF

PEPSI ON THE SHELF FOR HIM WHEN HE DRIVES FIVE. >> I HAVE SOME SOMEWHERE.

>> DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS. ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING? WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

>> MR. MANAGER WITH A MOTION DO WE HAVE THE SECOND? >> I WILL SECOND BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM COMMISSIONER BURKE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS IS.

I HAVE TROUBLE LOOKING AT THE MAPS AND TELLING WHERE THEY ARE. >> IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE ITEM.

>> THIS HAS BEEN EMPTY FOREVER. >> THERE WAS A LOT OF TREES. >> I KNOW THE AREA YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT. HE CAN DO IT ON BV. >> ISN'T THIS WHERE THEY COULD

PUT A STRIP CLUB? >> IT IS ONE OF THE MOST COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICTS.

IT IS A LESS INTENSIVE DISTRICT. >> THAT IS WHERE WE WANTED. WE WANT THE INTENT STUFF ON THE BOULEVARD. WE WANT THE EXPRESS GOING AND IT IS PRIME STUFF.

I COULD SEE THAT, EVENTUALLY IT MAY BE REPURPOSED AT SOME POINT FOR A BETTER USE, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THROWING PROPERTY INTO THAT TYPE OF CONDITION.

>> SUCH AS ME. I CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THAT PROPERTY.

SO A GUY HAS A RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE WANT. >> WE ARE HERE NOW.

>> ONCE YOU GIVE IT UP YOU CAN'T GET IT BACK. >> NOT REZONE.

THAT IS PROHIBITION. >> WHAT ELSE CAN YOU DO? >> AND I DON'T HAVE THE LIST

WITH ME. >> YOU WILL BE MY NEW BEST FRIEND.

>> IF I GET ZONE TO THIS I CAN'T GO BACK IN THE FUTURE? >> YOU CAN'T GO BACK TO BB.

>> THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE APPLYING FOR UNDER BB LETTER TO AS THE STORAGE.

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>> THERE IS MUCH MORE YOU CAN DO. YOU CAN GET AN EXCEPTION.

BUT THERE IS ALSO BB 3-BB FOR ZONING WHICH ARE MORE INTENSIVE. BUT YOU CANNOT GO TO BB.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK COMMISSIONER BOLLA SAID BEFORE.

HE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY THIS IS 20 INTENDS TO DO. AT THIS POINT, HAVE THEM PUT IT IN AND AT SOME POINT, HE MADE DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT IF THAT IS WHAT HE WANTS TO DO I WON'T STAND IN HIS WAY. I WILL SUPPORT THE PROJECT.

>> I ONLY -- WHO MADE THE MOTION. >> I MADE THE MOTION.

>> OKAY, SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE CAN CALL THE VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED? PASSES 3-2. NUMBER 23, FINALLY -- FINAL

[23. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to consider LDC 2021-08, a text amendment to the Multi-Story Mini-Warehouses in Branan Field Activity Center. (Commission Districts 2,4 and 5, Commissioners Bolla, Condon and Burke, respectively) Planning Commission voted 6-0 to approve. (B. Carson)]

PUBLIC HEARING A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE MULTI- SORRY MANY WAREHOUSES IN BRANDON FIELD

ACTIVITY CENTER. >> THIS IS CALLED 2021 -- ZERO EIGHT THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THIS ITEM. IT WOULD BE TO ALLOW FOR SOME CHANGES TO THE CONDITIONAL USE

REQUIREMENTS FOR THE MULTISTORY WAREHOUSES. >> A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THE APPLICANT IS APPLYING ONLY FOR THE ACTIVITY CENTER. THEY ARE TARGETED WHERE THEY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 75,000 PEOPLE IN AN URBAN CENTER. DARK PINK IN THE MIDDLE AND THEN TOWARDS THE TOP THESE ARE YOUR ACTIVITY CENTERS. THE PROPOSED CHANGES.

THEY INCLUDE THERE WOULD NOT BE DIRECT ACCESS TO A ROADWAY. YOU COULD HAVE ACCESS FROM A ROADWAY THAT WILL CONNECT. ABOUT MAXIMUM WOULD BE INCREASED TO 65%.

THIS WOULD BE OFFSET BY STORM WATER TREATMENT YOU WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT ON EVERY PROJECT. YOU WOULD HAVE A SHOPPING STREET STANDARD WHICH WOULD BE 15 FEET SIDE AND REAR WOULD BE 20 FEET AND IF IT IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL IT WOULD BE 25 THE.

THAT IS THE CURRENT STANDING. LOADING ZONES THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE TO THE SIDE OR THE REAR. HOW THE LANDSCAPING WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ARTICLE SIX WITH EIGHT BUFFER WHICH IS A EXPLICIT VISUAL BARRIER WITH TREEPLANTING AND THE SHOPPING STREET STANDARDS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE FRONT AND SIDE WHICH IS TYPICAL FOR ANY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE OPEN STORAGE WOULD BE ALLOWED.

THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE WITHIN A ONE 100% OPAQUE FENCED IN AREA. THAT WOULD FOLLOW YOUR 20-FOOT SETBACK INSTEAD OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY REQUIRED. THE STANDARDS WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE POOR GENERAL COUNTY AREAS. IN THE ACTIVITY CENTER YOU WILL HAVE A MIX OF USES INCLUDING COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND HIGH INTENSITY, NOT SINGLE-FAMILY. WITH THAT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL 6-0 AND STAFF WITH THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

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THE APPLICANT IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR BETH.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SAY A

COUPLE OF WORDS. >> A COUPLE IS ALL I WILL SAY AFTER TONIGHT.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND LISTENING. MY NAME IS MARK SHELTON.