[CALL TO ORDER]
[WELCOME]
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>> GOOD EVENING. SINCE I DON'T HAVE A GAVEL,
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
I'LL CALL IT TO ORDER. WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYBODY AND THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME FROM YOUR BUSY SCHEDULES TO COME OUT TONIGHT. WE HAVE A FULL AGENDA OF THINGS TO COVER. WE WILL START OFF WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK OF OUR VICECHAIR WOULD DO THE HONORS. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER
[ROLL CALL]
GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.>> THANK YOU. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE ROLL CALL. SO WE WILL START WITH INTRODUCTIONS. CONNIE, LET'S START IF YOU DON'T MIND? WILL COME AROUND THIS WAY.
>> DAVID THEUS. >> DEBBY TERRY.
>> ROBERT DEWS. >> SUZI LUDWIG.
>> MITCH TIMBERLAKE. >> STEVE RIZZO.
>> CHRIS RUSSELL. >> CHARLES HODGES.
>> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> HI, STACY.
AND IN THE BACK -- IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WE MISSED?
[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
THANK YOU. OKAY.SO THE FIRST ITEM IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.
BEFORE WE BRING THAT UP, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS THAT ANYONE SAW FOR THE MINUTES?
>> I MOTION TO MOVE. >> SECOND.
>> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? VERY GOOD. THAT TAKES CARE OF THAT.
THE NEXT ITEM COMING UP IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT?
[DISCUSSION ITEMS]
SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED.AND DISCUSSION ITEMS. THE FIRST DISCUSSION ITEM IS DISCUSSION OF THE CLAY COUNTY TO.
I KNOW THAT EVERYBODY RECEIVED QUITE A BIT OF INFORMATION FROM TERESA STOP I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, MA'AM.
WE'LL TAKE THOSE ITEMS. WHAT TERESA HAS DONE IS ACTUALLY COMPILED A LIST. SO IF YOU TURN TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TOPIC SUGGESTIONS, ALL RIGHT? DOES EVERYONE HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF THEM? I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THE TIME THAT YOU PUT INTO SENDING THESE SUGGESTIONS IN. BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO ADD TO THIS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS?
YES SIR? >> ONE THING I NOTICED IS THEY HAVE A (INDISCERNIBLE) BILL OF RIGHTS AND THERE.
(INDISCERNIBLE). >> THE CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS, ALL RIGHT -- JUST PUT THAT ON THERE.
ANY OTHER NEWS? >> EXCUSE ME, IS THIS GENERAL TIME TO ADD OTHER ITEMS TO THE LIST?> YES SIR.
>> I LIKE TO RE-DISCUSS VISITING TERM LIMITS FOR (INDISCERNIBLE) OFFICERS. I KNOW WE HAVE THEM BUT I THINK IT'S FOR REEVALUATING IF THEY ARE EFFECTIVE OR USEFUL.
>> SO IT'S TERM LIMITS FOR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS?>
RIGHT. >> AND YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT? OKAY. YES, MA'AM,.
>> (INDISCERNIBLE) ARTICLE 1 SECTION (INDISCERNIBLE).
WOULD JUST LIKE SOME CLARIFICATIONS FOR THE (INDISCERNIBLE).> OKAY. LET ME GET THAT BOOKLET OUT.
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OKAY, CONNIE. ARTICLE 1 -- SECTION F. SECTION REVISION UPON REFERENDUM OF APPROVAL.ALL RIGHT. AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU
SPECIFICALLY WOULD LIKE? >> (INDISCERNIBLE) APPROVED CASINO GAMBLING -- (INDISCERNIBLE).
AND THERE IS A BLANK. >> THAT ELECTION -- THAT WAS THE LAST ELECTION. THAT WAS IN THE LAST ELECTION, BUT WE CAN HAVE THAT -- WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO DRESS?
>> FROM MY EXPERIENCE, NO (INDISCERNIBLE) DOCUMENT SHOULD
HAVE A (INDISCERNIBLE). >> OKAY.
SO CLARIFICATION OF A BLANK SPACE.
>> I THINK WE CAN CLEAR IT UP. THIS IS JUST A FORM.
SO WHAT IT PROVIDES FOR IS IF THERE IS A REFERENDUM AND IT'S APPROVED, THEN THIS IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD BE INSERTED IN THE CHARTER AT THAT TIME. TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.
THEN WE WILL JUST CONSIDER THAT WHEN CLOSED.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? YES, SIR?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN BE DONE IN THIS ORDER OR NOT, BUT IF WE COULD, THE POSSIBILITY OF (INDISCERNIBLE) CAMERAS.
>> I'M NOT GOING TO SAY YES, SIR NO WHETHER OR NOT THAT CAN BE IN THE CHARTER. WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT THAT DOWN AS A POTENTIAL TOPIC AND THEN GET CLARIFICATION.
>> ARE THERE RED LIGHT CAMERAS IN THE COUNTY? I KNOW THEY ARE IN THE CITY. IN THE CITY OF ORANGE PARK.
>> I DON'T BELIEVE THE COUNTY HAS THEM.
>> CITY GOVERNMENT PRECEDES THE COUNTIES.
>> WHAT WE WILL DO, BRIAN, FOR THAT IS I WILL MAKE A NOTE.
AND WE WILL GET A CLARIFICATION WHETHER OR NOT IT'S EVEN ALLOWED AS FAR AS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO.
ANY OTHERS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS COMMITTEE TO ADJUST THE IMPACT FEE FOR NEW
HOUSES BUILT IN CLAY COUNTY? >> NO, IT'S NOT.
THAT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION, SET UP BY, IF I'M CORRECT -- AND COURTNEY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME -- BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS ALSO DETERMINED BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
>> CURRENTLY, WE HAVE A MOBILITY FEE.
THEY REPLACED THE IMPACT FEE. T WAS EFFECTIVE IN FEBRUARY.
IT IS NOW A MOBILITY FEE. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS DONE BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BY ORDINANCE.
>> YES, MA'AM? >> I JUST WANTED TO DOUBLE CHECK -- I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO RESEARCH SOME THINGS I WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON. SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PRESENT TO ADD IN HERE TONIGHT. THIS ISN'T FINAL -- WE CAN MAYBE ADD A TOPIC OR SOMETHING -- YOU KNOW, IN THE FUTURE? OR IS THIS -- WHATEVER IS HERE -- IS THIS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO
--? >> LET ME JUST SAY THIS: THE IDEAL THING IS WE WOULD COME UP WITH SAY A LIST TO START WITH TONIGHT. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMITTEE BEFORE, AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK IN THE PAST MINUTES, FOR EXAMPLE 4 YEARS PAGO.
THE AVERAGE WAS TWO TOPICS PER MEETING, OUTSIDE OF THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WERE BROUGHT IN.
THOSE MEETINGS RAN ABOUT TWO HOURS.
SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO TONIGHT IS TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S LET EVERYBODY TAKE THEIR TOP 3 TO 5 ITEMS. THAT'S HERE TONIGHT. AND WE WILL START WITH THAT.
BECAUSE IF YOU ALLOW 30 MINUTES, ROUGHLY, ON THE AVERAGE FOR A DISCUSSION ITEM, AND WE HAVE UPWARDS OF 20 ITEMS, THAT'S 10 HOURS OF DISCUSSION.
THAT'S FIVE MEETINGS, PLUS THE TIME FOR YOUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS, YOUR GENERAL COUNSEL, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT TO THAT. JUST TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THE NEXT FIVE OR SIX MEETINGS, RIGHT?
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>> OKAY. WELL -- THAT WAS MY POINT.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING RD COVERED IN AN ORDINANCE OR SOMEWHERE ELSE, I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING IT UP.
BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO RESEARCH WHAT WE ARE READY HAVE THAT'S ALREADY COVERED -- THAT THIS WOULDN'T REALLY BE THE PLACE TO PUT IT IF WE ARE READY HAVE IT, SO -- YOU KNOW, I'M GOOD.
>> OKAY. SO GOING BACK TO WHAT I JUST MENTIONED, BY THE WAY, THAT'S A GREAT SEGUE.
THANK YOU. FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED MORE THAN, SAY, 3 TO 5 ITEMS -- IF YOU WOULD, RANK ORDER THEM.
SO WE CAN START WITH THAT. AND THAT WOULD BE THE BASIS OF THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO -- AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COURTNEY -- IS WE WILL HAVE TO ADVERTISE WITH THAT AGENDA IS. SO THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO COMMENT ON IT. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> JUST SIMILAR TO HOW YOU DID FOR THIS AGENDA, WILL DO THE SAME AGENDA AND JUST LIST THE TOPICS.
>> SIR. >> ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HERE MAY HAVE THE SAME ISSUES AS OTHER MEMBERS SO WE
COULD COMBINE THE TWO TOGETHER. >> WE ARE.
IN FACT, FOR EXAMPLE, MR. RUSSELL AND MYSELF HAD ONE ITEM THAT WAS THE SAME. SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
AND WHEN I WENT BACK AND LOOKED IN 2017, AND BY THE TIME I GOT FINISHED, I GOT DOWN TO 10 ITEMS OF WHICH THERE WERE PROBABLY 30 TO 35 LISTED. BUT THEY ALL HAD A LOT OF OVERLAPS. SO TO YOUR POINT, SCOTTY, WE ARE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING. OKAY? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT? ANY THOUGHTS FROM THE GROUP? NO? THEN, WHAT I WOULD DO THEN IS -- WE CAN GO AROUND.
AND IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO TELL US WHAT THOSE TOP ITEMS ARE, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE THOUGHT THEN WE WILL PASS AND GO ON TO THE NEXT AND YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT.
ANY FEELINGS ON THAT, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? ANY THOUGHTS? NO? OKAY. LET'S START WITH MR. JETT.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS, RIGHT?
>> I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES (LAUGHING)!
>> A HAPPY CAMPER! THANK YOU, SIR.
>> THAT'S TWO FOR TWO. I DIDN'T BRING ANY ISSUES
ROBERT? >> I DIDN'T HAVE ANY AS WELL.
>> SCOTTY? >> I DON'T WANT TO MESS UP A GOOD THING OVER HERE (LAUGHING) I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES AT THIS TIME.> OKAY. MADAME VICE CHAIR?
>> I DO NOT HAVE ANY AT THIS TIME.
>> ARE RIGHT. I HAD SEVERAL ITEMS. ONE WAS TO LOOK AT THE COMMISSIONERS SALARIES.
THAT WOULD BE ITEM NUMBER 2. ACTUALLY, ITEM NUMBER 1. SHOULD THE NUMBER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS REMAIN AT FIVE? THE DISCUSSION POINT. SHOULD THE SALARIES BE INCREASED? IF SO, TO WHAT LEVEL? AND MR. RUSSELL, YOU HAD THAT SAME --.
JUST TAKE THIS DOCUMENT OF SUGGESTED TOPICS.
IT WOULD BE EASIER TO FOLLOW. GOING DOWN UNDER OTHER WAS THE QUESTION, WHICH OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER TONIGHT. THE REASON FOR THE REFERENDUM.
AND SHOULD THE CLERK OF THE COURTS ROLE BE ADDRESSED IN THE CHARTER? THOSE WERE THE ITEMS I HAVE.
>> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO BRING TO THE TABLE TODAY.
>> I DIDN'T BRING ANY FORWARD EITHER.
>> THIS IS MOVING QUICKLY! IT WILL SLOW DOWN.
I ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SALARY STRUCTURE. AND HOW PAY RAISES ARE TAKEN CARE OF. AND THE TERM LIMITS FOR
CONSTITUTIONAL (INDISCERNIBLE). >> OKAY.
SO WE HAVE TO ADD THAT. I HAD A SENIOR MOMENT THERE, MITCH! SORRY.
TERM LIMITS FOR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.LL RIGHT.
RANDY? P>> MR. CHAIR, (INDISCERNIBLE) STILL BE BRINGING FORTH POTENTIAL CHANGES.
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(INDISCERNIBLE) AS I BEGIN TO DIGEST THE PREAMBLE OF THE CHARTER AND THE MISSION STATEMENT FOR THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, THERE ARE SOME THINGS -- SORRY -- I FELT LIKE THERE COULD BE SOME GREATER ALIGNMENT BETWEEN THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE BOARD AND THE PREAMBLE OF THE CHARTER ITSELF.BECAUSE THERE IS SOME VERY, VERY GOOD CHARACTERIZATIONS IN THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THE BOARD THAT SHOULD LIKELY FIND THEIR WAY INTO THE PREAMBLE IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MOTIVATION OF THE PREAMBLE IS. SO, IT REALLY WOULD -- I THINK, BE ONE OF MY TOP PRIORITIES. SINCE I CONSIDER THE PREAMBLE OR THE MISSION STATEMENTS TO BE MOTIVATIONAL FOR EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S IN THE DOCUMENT. SO TAKE THE SUGGESTION FOR A CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS. THAT'S A GREAT, GREAT IDEA OF EMPOWERMENT. AND THE DEFINITION OF EMPOWERMENT. AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE LAID OUT IN THE PREAMBLE. SO HOW MUCH TIME WE SPEND ON THAT ONE AREA STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN.
BUT THAT WOULD BE MY TOP PRIORITY.
BEYOND THAT, I MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING THAT I'M SUFFERING FROM A LACK OF FAMILIARITY WITH HOW TO BE AS EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE IN THIS DISCUSSION. BUT I'M GOING TO FIX THAT AS WE GO. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE STAGE FOR EVERYBODY THAT FOLLOWS US TO HAVE A BOOKLET OR SOME TYPE OF BACKGROUND MATERIAL.
THAT WOULD BE MY SECOND HIGHEST PRIORITY.SOMEONE IN THE LAST MEETING MENTIONED A WEALTH OF INFORMATION IN THE MINUTES FROM ALL THE MEETINGS YEARS AGO. SO ORGANIZING THAT AND PRESENTING IT, ESPECIALLY, IN MY MIND, THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO THE LEGAL SIDE OF THE EQUATION.
AND THEN, WERE NOT ADOPTED BECAUSE OF SOME LEGAL CLARIFICATION. ABOUT EITHER THE PURPOSE -- OR WHATEVER REASON. THAT WOULD BE MY SECOND HIGHEST
PRIORITY.>> OF WHAT YOU ARE REALLY GOING AT, RANDY, AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IS A TURNOVER FUND?> YES SIR.
AND IT IS WITHIN THE CHARTER. WHAT YOU DO TO MAINTAIN THE CHARTER, THAT SHOULD BE EMBODIED IN THAT TYPE:PART OF
THE TEXT. >> WE COULD EASILY BUILD A TURNOVER FILE FOR THE NEXT BOARD.
I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND WE CAN DO THAT INDEPENDENT OF SOME OF THE TOPICS THAT YOU HAVE LISTED.
>> I WOULD AGREE. EXCEPT THAT THE CHARTER DOES DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROCEDURE OF GOVERNING AND MAINTAINING THE CHARTER. SO I WOULD WANT THAT TO FIND ITS WAY TO BE MEMORIALIZED IN THAT PROCEDURE.
IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. >> MR. CHAIR? I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE TERM TURNOVER FILE.
BUT IF THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION OF IT -- SAY WE TALK ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS SALARIES.
SO, THE NIGHT THAT WE GET ON THAT TOPIC, WOULD WE GO BACK TO -- I KNOW THE LAST CHARTER REVIEW LOOKED AT COMMISSION SALARIES. COULD WE GET THAT RECORD OF THAT DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD? ALONG WITH WHAT THE ATTORNEY TOLD US FOR THAT? SO THAT NIGHT WE WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT -- WE WOULD HAVE RECORD FROM LAST MEETING? AND WE COULD HAVE OUR MEETING GOING FORWARD?
THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES.
WE CAN REQUEST A LOT OF INFORMATION.
THERE IS INFORMATION THAT TERESA IS WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
PREADSHEETS AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.
IN ANTICIPATION OF DISCUSSIONS. FOR EXAMPLE, ON SALARIES.
AS WELL AS HISTORICAL RECORDS. SO WHEN THOSE TOPICS COME UP, THE IDEA IS THAT ALL OF US HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION.
WE ARE ALL INFORMED SO WE CAN HAVE AN INFORMED DISCUSSION.
AND YOU WERE NOT SITTING THERE WONDERING WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST. WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE
ANYBODY'S TIME. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> SO THE LAST SIX BULLETS ALL FIT INTO THIS TURNOVER FILE.
THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO GILLIS. THE LAST SIX BULLETS.
THE PREVIOUS THREE T THOSE LAST SIX -- AND I'M FALLING IN LOVE RAPIDLY WITH THE NOTION OF A CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS.
[LAUGHTER] SO THE PREVIOUS THREE -- THE PUBLIC SAFETY COORDINATION, THE RESERVATION -- WHAT IS RESERVED FOR THE DECISION OF THE VOTERS VERSUS EMPOWERED TO THE COUNTY? AND CITY MUNICIPALITIES TO MAKE DECISION ON? WE PREVIOUSLY DECIDED GAMBLING WAS SUCH A MIND-BOGGLING ISSUE THAT IT IS RESERVED FOR THE VOTERS.
IN THE PREAMBLE DECLARES EMPOWERMENT OF THE VOTERS TO BE A PRIME DIRECTIVE. SO (LAUGHING) RATHER THAN ME
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MAKE THAT SOMETHING SEPARATE, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THE CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS. WE NEED TO BE VERY FOCUSED ON EVERY TIME THIS BODY MEETS IN THE FUTURE, IT NEEDS TO BE TALKING ABOUT ARE WE THINKING ABOUT SITUATIONS THAT NEED TO BE RESERVED FOR THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON, AS OPPOSED TO THE BOARD TO MAKE THE DECISION ON? AND BY THE WAY, THERE ARE PROBABLY PLENTY OF LEGAL GUARDIANS OUT THERE CAN AND CAN'T DO. SO WRAPPING THIS UP, THE PUBLIC SAFETY COORDINATION -- I'M NOT SURE.I LISTENED IN THE LAST MEETING. WE HAVE A SCHOOL BOARD AND A HIGHWAY CREW. WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE OUT FROM UNDER THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS.
EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS THEIR OWN SAFETY APPARATUS.
THE COUNTY HAS MULTIPLE SAFETY APPARATUSES.
I AM PERSONALLY COMPLETELY DISSATISFIED WITH THE ATTENTION OF PUBLIC SAFETY AT SOME COORDINATED AND COHESIVE LEVEL.
WHETHER OR NOT THAT CAN BE PUT IN COUNTY CHARTER PROBABLY IS A LEGAL MATTER. PERHAPS IT SHOULD BE ANOTHER BRANCH OF THE OPERATION UNDERNEATH MR. HOWARD IN THE FUTURE? AND SOMEONE SHOULD BE AGGREGATING ALL THE CONCERN OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND BRINGING THEM TO LIGHT. WHETHER THAT'S POLLUTED ENVIRONMENTS, HIGHWAY SAFETY -- WHETHER THAT'S JOB SAFETY AND NEW PLAGUES COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME, BY THE WAY.
I'M PRETTY SURE. WHATEVER IT IS GOING TO BE, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A VERY ROBUST EFFORT PUT FORWARD BY THE COUNTY. IF IT'S IN THE MISSION STATEMENT, IT NEEDS TO BE PUT FORTH BY THE COUNTY SOMEWAY SOMEHOW. SO WHETHER THAT'S PUT INTO THE CITIZEN BILL OF RIGHTS ARE APPROACHED SEPARATELY --?
>> SO I'M TRYING TO SUM UP -- > SORRY.
I ACTUALLY HAVE THREE OR MAYBE FOUR PRIORITIES (LAUGHING).
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, MA'AM?
>> THAT IS, WHY ARE WE NOT GOING IN A SEQUENTIAL ORDER ON THE CHARTER? AND THEN, TAKING THE SUGGESTIONS OR THE REVISIONS OF THE PEOPLE TO ADDRESS IT SPECIFICALLY IN A SEQUENTIAL ORDER? RATHER THAN GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE?
>> WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT IS TO TAKE THE LIST THAT EVERYONE HAS SUBMITTED. COME UP WITH A LIST THAT WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE AS A BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.
THEN, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT WE'LL GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC AS AN AGENDA ITEM. WHATEVER ORDER WE PUT THEM IN, THEN WE CAN FOLLOW A LOGICAL ORDER IN THE CHARTER AS IT HAS TODAY. BUT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS ADDRESS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD SO FAR.
>> AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. I KNOW THAT WAS A PROCEDURE THAT WE HAD STATED AND PUT OUT THERE.
BUT MY PROBLEMATIC DESK OVER THE WHOLE DEAL IS WE ARE RINGING IN ISSUES AND WE ARE ALL SPENDING TIME -- SOMEONE IS SAYING WELL I HAVE THIS ISSUE AND THAT ISSUE.
SO THE REST OF US ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEIR ISSUE IS. I'M ALWAYS ABOUT CITING THE SECTION IN THE ARTICLE. SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO BRING AN ISSUE TO THE TABLE, THEN TELL US WHERE IT IS IN THE CHARTER.
>> THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE.
BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO ADD SOMETHING TO THE CHARTER.
>> RIGHT. >> SO WE CAN REFERENCE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BEFORE WE GO OUT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. WHERE ANY OF THESE MIGHT FIT.
OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE OPEN DISCUSSION.
AND THEN, POTENTIALLY, IF IT'S AGREED-UPON, WHERE IT WOULD FIT. ALL RIGHT? BUT SINCE PEOPLE ARE SEEING SOME OF THESE TOPICS THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT, I WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM -- OR THE COUNCIL AT THIS
POINT -- TO CITE IT. >> SO A QUICK WRAP.
THE FIRST IS THE PREAMBLE ALIGNMENT WITH MISSION STATEMENT, THE SECOND ONE IS THE HANDOFF PAPER AT THE END OF THE SESSION. WHATEVER WE WANT TO CHARACTERIZE T AND NUMBER 3 IS ROLLING UP THINGS INTO THE CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS. THINK THAT'S A
GREAT SUGGESTION. >> SO ESSENTIALLY, WHAT YOU ARE REALLY DOING IS GROUPING THESE UNDER THESE THREE TOPICS?
>> I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO THESE FINE SUGGESTIONS?
ELL? >> THE ONLY THING I HAVE ON THE LIST IS THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SALARY, WHICH
COVERS SEVERAL AREAS. >> IT CAN.
>> AS PAY RAISES WERE MENTIONED, THE COST OF LIVING, AS WE WELL KNOW, CHANGES. LIKE RAPIDLY AND RECENTLY.
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I DON'T KNOW IN OUR DISCUSSION -- WE PROBABLY NEED TO DECIDE IF THAT'S EVEN WORTHY OF INCLUDING THAT.THE COST OF LIVING OR WHATEVER. THAT'S ACTUALLY MY PRIORITY NUMBER 2. MY FIRST PRIORITY WAS I HAD MENTIONED THE COMMUNITY ACTIVIST COMMITTEES DOWN HERE UNDER OTHER.
BECAUSE I'VE SAT IN OTHER PLANNING COMMISSIONS, AND WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE -- COUNTY EMPLOYEES -- WE SHOULD HAVE A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST COMMITTEE AND GET IT REGISTERED WITH THE COUNTY. BECAUSE IT WOULD EASE THE BACKLOG ON THESE COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONERS -- COUNTY MEETINGS. BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY COMES UP HERE AND TAKES UP THE MEETING. REBUTTING WHATEVER IS TRYING TO GET DONE. I'LL USE LAKE LARK IN DISTRICT 5 IS THE MOST RECENT ISSUE. AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES ENCOURAGE COMMUNITIES TO CREATE THESE THINGS.
AND THEN, THEY VET A LOT OF THE ISSUES BEFORE IT GETS TO THE COUNTY. IT ALMOST APPEARS TO ME AS THOUGH BOOTS ON THE GROUND -- THE LOWEST LEVEL GOVERNMENT TRYING TO HELP THE COUNTY GET THINGS DONE'S STOMACH DONE.
SO MANY EMPLOYEES ENCOURAGE THESE THINGS, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WORTH A DISCUSSION FOR US TO EVEN TALK ABOUT IF IT WOULD FIT INTO THE CITIZENS BILL OF RIGHTS OR SOMEWHERE ALONG THERE. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL ENCOURAGING
IT, SO WHY DON'T WE HAVE THOSE? >> COURTNEY?
>> SO IN CONNECTION WITH THAT POINT, I BELIEVE IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
WE DID SOME RESEARCH. THERE ACTUALLY WAS A RESOLUTION ADOPTED QUITE SOME TIME AGO THAT PROVIDES FOR ADVISORY COMMITTEES IN CONNECTION WITH THE PLANNING ACTIVITIES FOR ALL FIVE DISTRICTS. SO THERE IS THE FLEMING ISLAND DISTRICT. ARE YOU FROM THE LAKE ASBURY DISTRICT? OKAY.
SO SOMEONE HAS ALREADY CONTACTED US ABOUT COORDINATING THAT.SO I FORGET -- TERESA, DO YOU REMEMBER? IS IT EIGHT MEMBERS OR 10 MEMBERS? BUT IT SET OUT IN A RESOLUTION. SO THERE IS ALREADY THAT BROWN LAID FOR ALL OF THOSE ADVISORY COMMITTEES.
CHECK WITH TERESA. WE EMAILED THE INFORMATION.
>> CHRIS, THAT CAME OUT OF THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THERE WAS A BIG DISCUSSION ABOUT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN.EMEMBER THAT?
>> YES.> OKAY. BILL GARRISON WAS ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. THE ONE WHO MADE THE POINT TO THE RESIDENTS WHO CAME OUT THAT NIGHT.
>> YES, I WAS THERE. >> YOU REMEMBER THAT? OKAY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAT LAKE ASBURY RESIDENTS ARE TAKING THAT AND RUNNING WITH
IT. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) LAKE ASBURY.
THE OLD LAKE ASBURY. WE LIKE IT THAT WAY.
DALE? >> NOTHING AT THIS TIME.
RYAN? >> (INDISCERNIBLE) NUMBER 1, COMMISSIONERS SALARY NUMBER 2, (INDISCERNIBLE).
>> OKAY. SO BILL OF RIGHTS, RED LIGHT CAMERAS, AND WHAT WAS THE THIRD ONE?
>> THE SECOND ONE WAS COMMISSIONERS SALARIES.
>> COMMISSIONERS SALARIES. YES.
>> I THINK COURTNEY CLEARED UP SOMEWHAT ON THE SECOND AMENDMENT ISSUE -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT STRENGTH THE RESOLUTION HAS. VERSUS BEING PART OF THE CHARTER. I DON'T KNOW IF -- COURTNEY, COULD YOU EMPOWER ME ON THAT? IS A RESOLUTION ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS SUITABL FOR FRAMING?
LIKE SECOND AMENDMENT DAY? >> IT'S NOT IN THE CODE.
IT'S JUST A (INDISCERNIBLE) [LAUGHTER]
>> SORRY, COURTNEY. I SHOULD'VE SAID SOMETHING.
>> IT JUST SETS FORWARD THE BOARD SENTIMENT FOR THAT SUPPORT OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
>> YEAH. I SPOKE TO SEVERAL SHERIFF'S.
THIS ISN'T A POINT FOR ME TO PITCH THE ARGUMENT, BUT THERE
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WAS A CONCERN -- WELL I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT.THAT'S ANOTHER CONVERSATION. BUT THE POINT IS, I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST CONVERSE ON THE WEIGHTS OF THE RESOLUTION VERSES SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE CHARTER? AS FAR AS SECOND AMENDMENTS ARE SUPPORTED.
THAT'S ONE THING. THE SECOND THING, I FELT, MY LITTLE COMMENT ABOUT US BEING BUSINESS FRIENDLY COMMUNITY.
IT'S ONE THING TO SAY IT . MANY OF MY PEOPLE THAT I SPOKE WITH MENTIONED THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THE COUNTY WITH PERMITTING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO I WOULD HATE TO SAY WE ARE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND THEN NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO CHANGE THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE SYSTEM TO MAKE IT SO. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A VALID ARGUMENT FOR US TO ADDRESS AT THIS MOMENT? AND THE LAST TWO THINGS I HAD -- I'D BE WILLING TO LET GO THE BUSINESS FRIENDLY THING AS FAR AS THE CONVERSATION TIME TAKER.
BUT I THOUGHT IN LIGHT OF RECENT EVENTS -- AND MANY PEOPLE TELLING US NOT TO CHANGE OUR -- DON'T NEW YORK US OR CALIFORNIA US. AND IN LIGHT OF MR. DESANTIS ANNOUNCING THERE IS A BONUS FOR POLICE OFFICERS TO COME TO FLORIDA. I WENT BACK TO THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION AND ALSO THE STATE LOOKING AT THE GOVERNOR.ND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO LOOK AT PUTTING SOME MORE DEFINITIVE MESSAGES AS FAR AS THE QUALIFICATIONS.
AND THAT'S THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS HAVING BEEN A RESIDENT OF THIS STATE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND ALSO, OUR COMMISSIONERS. AND THEY HAVE A MINIMUM AGE REQUIREMENT. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE NEW VISITORS TO CLAY COUNTY FROM OTHER STATES AND OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY A CHANCE TO EMBRACE OUR WAY OF LIFE. AND LET IT GROW ON THEM A LITTLE BIT BEFORE THEY COME HERE AND WANT TO START CHANGING THINGS IMMEDIATELY. AND LASTLY, PART OF THAT IS IN CALIFORNIA, THE OLD NOTION WAS SO GOES CALIFORNIA, SO GOES THE REST OF THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE SOME LEGISLATION THERE WHERE ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE SITTING ON NOW COUNTY COMMISSION AND ARE POINTING WHO IS GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE AND WHO AREN'T. AND THEY ARE NOT (LAUGHING) US CITIZENS. I CANNOT EVER ENVISION A TIME WHERE CLAY COUNTY WILL EMBRACE THAT.
BUT IT MIGHT BE A TIME TO BE FORWARD THINKING AND MENTIONED, OH, BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE TO BE A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES TO SERVE ON OUR COMMISSION AS A CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER.
AND THAT'S WHERE I LEFT OFF. >> OKAY.
SO GOING BACK TO YOUR FIRST POINT ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS
AS STATED IN THE DOCUMENT. >> THAT'S UNDER LEGISLATION 2.2. THAT'S THE FIRST ONE.
THE SECOND ONE UNDER SECTION 3.1.
>> YES, SIR,. THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS WILL BE A MINIMU AGE AND A MINIMUM TIME OF RESIDENCY OF
ALL RIGHT. AND THEN, YOU HAD A COMMENT
ABOUT BUSINESS FRIENDLY. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH STRENGTH WE COULD PUT BEHIND THAT JUST TO PUT IT IN PRINT.
AND NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM OUR FOLKS WHO WORK IN THE COUNTY OFFICES. IT'S UP TO THEM TO MAKE IT BUSINESS FRIENDLY FROM A MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT DOWN THE
LINE. >> I'LL PUT A? NEXT TO THAT. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE
COUNTY COME IN AND TALK. >> THAT'S ZONING AND PERMITTING
AND ALL THOSE GUYS. >> THAT'S DIFFERENT.
I JUST MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE -- IF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESS FRIENDLY, NOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT POLICY, I THINK.
AND THAT'S PUT FORTH BY THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, RIGHT?
>> SO IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ON THAT, THAT WE COULD HAVE REPRESETATIVES FROM -- CROSS TALK]
AND ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES. >> I AGREE.
BUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT -- I THINK I'VE A LITTLE BETTER CLARIFICATION ON THE VALIDITY AND THE VALUE AND THE WEIGHT.
ALBEIT, I'M GLAD IT WAS DONE. I'M NOT SURE IT'S WORTH MORE THAN THE PAPER IT'S ON. IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE STAND BEHIND? COULD WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO
THOSE ARE ALL GOOD DISCUSSION ITEMS.
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>> YES, SIR,? >> I'M GOING TO FEED OFF OF WHAT HE IS SAYING. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING WHERE IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN CLAY COUNTY THAT YOU LIVE AND CLAY COUNTY. AND THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN CLAY COUNTY. IF YOU ARE CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT OF 15 OR 20 YEARS, LIKE HE SAID, YOU COME FROM CALIFORNIA AND YOU BRING CALIFORNIA WASTE TO COME HERE.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WANT TO PLAY CHANGE CLAY COUNTY.
SO THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT THAT IS I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING THAT HAS PEOPLE -- BEFORE YOU CAN BE AN ELECTIVE OFFICIAL, YOU HAVE TO BE IN THIS COUNTY OR LIVED IN THIS COUNTY.
PAY TAXES IN THIS COUNTY BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY CAN BE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS
CHARTER CAN DO? >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT WE CAN ASK.T'S ALONG THE SAME LINES AS WHAT
DAVID HAS PROPOSED. >> TO YOUR POINT, IT DOES STATE UNDER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY DO LIVE AND RESIDE IN
THEIR DISTRICT. >> IN THE COUNTY MANAGER MUST
RESIDE IN THE DISTRICT AS WELL. >> AND I THINK IT'S TO THE POINT THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AS WELL.
>> (INDISCERNIBLE). YOU NEED TO BE A RESIDENT HERE.
I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. (INDISCERNIBLE).
>> FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSATION DOWN THE ROAD, NOT TO OCCUPY THE TIME, I THINK IT BEHOOVES US -- WE ARE A GROWING COUNTY.
AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE NEED GOOD LEADERSHIP IN OUR COUNTY. SOMETIMES IT COMES FROM CLAY COUNTY AND SOMETIMES IT COMES FROM A RESIDENT WHO'S BEEN IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, SOMEWHERE, AND SEES IT GROW.
I'M NOT POOH-POOHING ANYONE'S IDEA.
I AGREE WITH THE GENTLEMAN. I JUST THINK IT MIGHT BE HARD PRESSED TO ELIMNATE PEOPLE. WE MAY HAVE A THINNER CROP THAT MIGHT BE WILLING TO STEP FORWARD.
>> AND THIS CAN BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE GET TO THAT.
>> I THINK WHAT DALE WAS SAYING IS I THINK IN THE PREVIOUS RACE, SOME OF OUR SHERIFFS WEREN'T RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY.AND JUST TO PIGGYBACK -- WE ALSO HAVE SOME OF THE MUNICIPAL LEADERS TALK (INDISCERNIBLE) THE MUNICIPAL ORDINANCES OVERRIDE THE CLAY CHARTER? SO IF WE COULD HAVE SOME OF THE EXPERTS FROM THEIR? THAT WOULD COME IN AND SAY WHERE IN THE PAST HAS THE CHARTER CONFLICTED WITH THE ORDINANCES?
>> I THINK, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IF WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM COMING UP AND THERE ARE QUESTIONS, WE CAN PROBABLY ASK ANY OF THE COUNTY OFFICIALS TO COME IN AND ADDRESS IT. RIGHT? WHICH THEN MAKES EVERYBODY A LOT MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE.
AND THEN WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
>> AND LIKE WE SAID, CLAY COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE RED LIGHT CAMERAS. BUT --
>> ORANGE PARK AND GREEN COV-2. YEAH.
AND THOSE ARE ALL THINGS WE CAN GET ANSWERS TO, RIGHT? AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. WHAT I WOULD ASK THE BOARD MEMBERS IS WHEN YOU SEE A TOPIC COMING UP FOR THE NEXT MONTH, FOR THE NEXT MEETING, IF YOU HAVE A SUGGESTION OR QUESTION ON THAT, PLEASE LET MS. CAPO KNOW.
BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO REQUEST INDIVIDUALS TO ADDRESS THE GROUP THAT WE GIVE THEM MORE THAN A DAYS NOTICE.
TO BE FAIR. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
>> SURE. GOING AROUND THE ROOM -- ANYMORE? ANY OTHERS ON THIS? NO? YES SIR?
>> ON THE DAY THAT WE PICKED THE TOPICS -- THE SUBJECTS THAT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, JUST AS AN EXAMPLE.
IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE CLERK AND THE COMPTROLLER ROLE.
TONIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
AND I WOULD INVITE THE CURRENT CLERK OF THE COURT TO COME IN AND WHAT EXACTLY HER DUTIES ARE.
AND WHILE SHE IS HERE, ASK HER ON THAT.
AND TALKING ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF THE COUNTY COMMISSION REMAINING AT FIVE? I'D INVITE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO COME IN -- OR SOME OF THEM.
AND ALSO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COMMISSIONERS SALARY? WE CAN PUT THAT -- CONDENSE IT IN TOGETHER?
>> SURE. >> AND THE TERM LIMITS FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS? I HOPE AT SOME POINT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR DISCUSSIONS, WE INVITE ALL THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS TO COME BY AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON THAT. AND ON THE BUSINESS FRIENDLY -- MR. THEUS WAS TALKING ABOUT -- MAYBE WE COULD HAVE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE COME AND US. FOR SOMEBODY FROM THAT BUSINESS COMMUNITY -- GO OVER WHAT YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT.
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INVITE THEM. ON A NIGHT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A SPECIFIC SUBJECT, WE NEED TO HAVE THE SPECIFIC PEOPLE THERE TO GIVE US MORE EDUCATION ON IT.WITHOUT HAVING TO CALL THEM IN DOWN THE ROAD.
>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. I CAN WORK WITH MS. CAPO.
AND AS WE SET THE AGENDA, WE WILL TAKE THE TOPICS.
AND THEN, WILL PUT THEM BACK OUT TO YOU AND SAY ALL RIGHT, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU WANT TO SEE ADDRESS IT? AND WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME IDEAS. AND IF YOU HAVE SOME OTHERS, WE CAN GET THAT BACK AND FORTH GOING QUICKLY.
SO THAT WAY TERESA HAS TIME TO TRY TO SCHEDULE THEM IN.
SO I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
AND IT'S THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT EVERYBODY WILL BENEFIT FROM. SO I'LL TAKE THAT AS AN ACTION
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ITEM WITH TERESA.> THANK YOU.>> THANK YOU. ANY OTHERS AS WE GO AROUND THE ROOM? NO?KAY.
THEN WE WILL CLOSE THAT ITEM UP FOR NOW.
WE HAVE A PIECE OF OLD BUSINESS.
WHICH IS THE RETENTION OF THE COUNCIL.
I'D LIKE TO ASK MS. GRIMM TO PLEASE GIVE US A RUNDOWN OF HER EFFORTS. WHICH, BY THE WAY HAVE BEEN EXTENSIVE IN TRYING TO HELP US GET TO THE POINT OF CHOOSING
I BELIEVE THAT TERESA PUT IN THE PACKET FOR YOU AN OUTLINE OR A MEMO OUTLINING WHAT I DID. FIRST OFF, AS YOU REQUESTED AT THE LAST MEETING, WE DID SEND OUT A NOTICE TO THE CLAY COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION ASKING FOR ANYONE WHO WAS INTERESTED IN SERVING TO PLEASE PROVIDE US THEIR BIO TO TERESA.
AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES TO THAT REQUEST.
SECONDLY, I INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET THE BIOS FOR THE ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE SERVED BEFORE OR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION UP LAST YEAR, IT WAS WADE VOSE.
AND THEN, THE PREVIOUS TIME IT WAS WAYNE FLOWERS.
SO BOTH OF THOSE -- WE'VE INCLUDED THOSE.
THEN I DID A SEARCH THROUGH THE OTHER CHARTER COUNTIES.
I CONTACTED 15 OUT OF THE OTHER 20.
AND I JUST CAME UP WITH AN ANALYSIS OF WHO THEY PROVIDED.
I INCLUDED FOUR OF THE NAMES FROM THE OTHER CHARTER COUNTIES. THERE ARE OTHER CHARTER COUNTIES WHO HAD ATTORNEYS BUT I DIDN'T INCLUDE THEIR NAMES.
BECAUSE THEY WERE EITHER FROM SOUTH FLORIDA OR LOCAL ATTORNEYS JUST USED FOR THAT PURPOSE -- TO ASSIST THEM.
AND DIDN'T HAVE ANY PARTICULAR EXPERTISE IN THIS AREA.
BUT I BELIEVE WE PRESENTED FOR YOU FIVE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT
YOU CAN CERTAINLY CONSIDER. >> QUESTIONS?
YES? >> I WANT TO SAY COURTNEY -- IS
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING THIS -- WERE YOU INVOLVED WITH
THE LAST CHARTER REVIEW? >> I WAS INVOLVED SIMILARLY TO THIS. IT JUST KICKED OFF.
AND ALSO BROUGHT IN MR. VOSE. >> AND IF THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO COULD PROVIDE INSIGHTS, WHAT WAS THE TAKE ON THE TWO ATTORNEYS THAT YOU MENTIONED -- WADE VOSS AND FLOWERS -- DID THEY DO A GOOD JOB? WERE PEOPLE SATISFIED WITH
THEIR WORK? >> YES, I BELIEVE ON BOTH OCCASIONS THEY WERE SATISFIED. MR. FLOWERS WAS BACK IN 2013.
AND MR. VOSE WAS THE LAST TIME. THE LAST TIME, THERE WERE QUITE A FEW ITEMS THAT THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION PUSH FORWARD.
AND HE WAS VERY HELPFUL WITH COMING UP WITH HOW TO PHRASE -
. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, MY INITIAL PREFERENCE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW EITHER OF THE ATTORNEYS, WOULD BE IF WE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE LAST CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS THAT PEOPLE THOUGHT DID A GOOD JOB HE MIGHT BE THE ONE TO START WITH.
HE KNOWS THE COUNTY. HE KNOWS WHAT WE DO AS A
GOVERNMENT. >> AND WITH RESPECT TO HIM, I DID REACH OUT TO HIM PRIOR. HE'S VERY, VERY BUSY AT THIS TIME. HE'S FROM OUT OF TIME.
HE'S NOT WILLING TO TRAVEL. BUT HE IS WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IF YOU WOULD ENTERTAIN HIM PARTICIPATING -- WE USE TEAMS BUT IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO ZOOM.
>> MR. CHAIR, I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.
TECHNOLOGY MAKES THINGS POSSIBLE.
>> THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTION BEFORE ME ASKING IT! I REMEMBER FROM THE LAST MEETING IT WAS STATED THAT MR. VOSE WAS TIED UP AND BUSY ON A LOT OF THINGS.
SO CERTAINLY, IN LOOKING BACK AT HIS PERFORMANCE, ONE OF HIS
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SIGNIFICANT STRENGTHS WAS HIS EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH COUNTY GOVERNMENTS AND THE LIKE. SO I CERTAINLY SUPPORT MR. VOSSFOR THAT OPPORTUNITY. >> OTHER MEMBERS? THOUGHTS? DAVE?
>> I DID REACH OUT IN THE LAST HOUR.
THERE IS A FELLOW THAT'S AN ATTORNEY WITH A PSEUDO-STATE AGENCY IN PALATKA WHO WORKS A LOT WITH LEGISLATION AND STATE CONSTITUTIONAL AND SO FORTH. I REACHED OUT TO HIM AND HE RETURNED MY CALL THIS AFTERNOON.
HE'S GOT SOME HOOPS TO GET THROUGH AS FAR AS PERMISSION OUTSIDE OF THE AGENCY -- IF HE COULD DO IT.
AND HE WAS TRYING TO GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT EXPECTATIONS AS FAR AS TIMING. ALL I'M SAYING IS I HAVE ANOTHER CANDIDATE, ASSUMING HE CAN SATISFY HIS EMPLOYER'S
OPPORTUNITIES. >> WOULD YOU THEN PROVIDE THOSE
CONTACT DETAILS? >> I DEFINITELY WOULD.
MY COMMITMENT TO HIM WAS TO RESPOND TONIGHT.
TO GIVE HIM A SENSE OF THE FLOW OF THE MEETINGS.
HE LIVES JUST UP 17 IN DUVAL COUNTY ACROSS THE LINE.
BUT HE COMES THROUGH PALATKA TO GET TO HIS HOME.
LOGISTICALLY, HE COULD HANDLE IT.
IT'S A MATTER OF HIM GETTING PERMISSION FROM HIS AGENCY THAT HE COULD DO IT FIRST OF ALL. IF HE SAYS YES, I CAN GET THE INFORMATION AND WE CAN REVIEW IT.
>> VERY GOOD. GO AHEAD, CONNIE.
>> I WOULD ASK THAT WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO APPEAR VIA ZOOM OR WHAT NOT? SO IF WE ARE SOLICITING THESE DIFFERENT CANDIDATES, WE ARE ABLE TO PUT OUT CRITERIA AS TO HOW THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO
APPEAR. >> JUST HOLD THAT FOR A SECOND.
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. GRIMM.
WHOEVER WE HIRE, UNLESS WE HAVE THEM COME IN VIA ZOOM OR TEAMS, WE HAVE TO PAY THEIR TRAVEL TIME, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> PRESUMABLY.T WOULD DEPEND WHAT YOU NEGOTIATED WITH THEM.
BUT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT MANY OF THESE WILL BE TRAVELING FOR QUITE A FEW HOURS, I'M SURE THEY WILL HAVE SOME TRAVEL TIME THAT THEY WOULD EXPECT PAYMENT FOR.
>> TYPICALLY WHAT WITH THAT BILLING RATE BE PER HOUR?
>> IN OUR EXPERIENCE -- TERESA, DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK IT UP? I THINK IT WAS AROUND $200 AN HOUR, GIVE OR AKE A LITTLE BIT WITH HOW MUCH HE CHARGED THE
LAST TIME. >> SO IF WE WERE LOOKING AT ANYBODY -- FOR EXAMPLE, THE FOUR THAT ARE LISTED -- ANYBODY THAT WAS DRIVING, TYPICALLY, FROM TAMPA OR TALLAHASSEE, WE ARE LOOKING AT $802,000? BEFORE THEY EVEN OPEN THEIR MOUTH, RIGHT? SO TO SPEAK?
AND ZOOM, TO YOUR POINT, CONNIE, IF WE COULD DO ZOOM OR TEAMS, THAT COULD MINIMIZE THAT EFFECT OF THE COST?
>> YES, IT WOULD. >> MR. CHAIR?
>> YES, SIR,? >> I DON'T SEE ANY POTENTIAL CANDIDATES FROM CLAY COUNTY. IS THAT BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T CONTACTED? OR IS THAT BECAUSE NOBODY
EXPRESSED AN INTEREST? >> I DID SEND IT OUT ON THE CLAY COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION EMAIL LIST.
NOBODY EXPRESSED ANY INTEREST. I DIDN'T REACH OUT TO ANYBODY IN PARTICULAR IN CLAY COUNTY. NOBODY PROVIDED ANY PARTICULAR NAMES. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE, I
DON'T MIND REACHING OUT. >> I JUST BELIEVE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMEONE IN CLAY COUNTY OR IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA THAT'S QUALIFIED TO DO THIS JOB FOR US.
>> MM-HMM. >> AND GOING ALONG WITH WHAT MR. JETT SAID AND WHAT MISTER CARTER TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST MEETING. I DID REACH OUT TO AN ATTORNEY HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. HE'S REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY.
AND HE EXPRESSED SOME INTEREST INTO THAT.
GLENN TAYLOR. HE'S NO RELATION TO ME! BUT HE'S A REAL ESTATE ATTORNEY.
IN ORANGE PARK. HE LIVES HERE IN FLEMING ISLAND. HE HAD AN INTEREST IN IT BUT HE NEEDED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED THEM TO DO.
SO I WOULD HAVE THE ATTORNEY -- TALK TO HIM AND EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS. I KNOW ATTORNEYS ARE LIKE DOCTORS. YOU HAVE ORTHOPEDICS, PEDIATRICS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
I KNOW LAWYERS ARE PROBABLY SIMILAR TO THAT.
BUT IF HE'S LOCAL -- HE HAS AN INTEREST.
HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DRIVE A LONG WAYS.
IF HE IS QUALIFIED TO DO THAT -- MAYBE WE COULD SEEK HIM OUT?
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>> FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED.OURTNEY, YOU WERE LOOKING AT THE IDEAL QUALIFICATIONS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND FOR COUNSEL FOR THIS PARTICULAR TASK WILL STOP WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. WHAT QUALIFICATIONS WOULD YOU
RECOMMEND THEY HAVE? >> IN PARTICULAR, THE REASON I PRESENTED THE ONES I PRESENTED WAS BECAUSE THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST. REALLY, IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN SOMEBODY LOCAL, THEY MIGHT HAVE A LEARNING CURVE.
BUT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO YOU.
IT'S JUST THAT THESE PARTICULAR ONES -- I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY A CHARTER COUNTY, THERE ARE ONLY 20 PERCENT SO THIS DOESN'T COME UP THAT OFTEN. SO THESE ARE JUST PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTORNEYS WHO HAD THE EXPERIENCE AND HAVE DONE IT IN
THE PAST FOR OTHER COUNTIES. >> OKAY.
SO IS THAT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW? WHAT IS A PARTICULAR AREA?
>> THEY ALL HAVE SOME SORT OF TIED TO GOVERNMENT.
THEY'VE WORKED IN SOME SORT OF GOVERNMENT POSITION.
FOR INSTANCE, WADE, HE SERVES AS I CAN'T REMEMBER COUNTY OR CITY ATTORNEY FOR SOME COUNTY OR CITY.
HEATHER SERVES -- SHE WORKS FOR A LAW FIRM, BUT SHE ALSO PROVIDES SERVICES TO (INDISCERNIBLE) COUNTY.
JOEL FOREMAN HAS A LARGE FIRM LAW FIRM AND DANA IS A SEPARATE LAW FIRM -- SHE'S FROM TAMPA. SO SHE MUST HAVE PROVIDED IT
FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. >> IS THERE ANOTHER --?
>> HAVE WE CONSIDERED MARK (NAME)? IS HE STILL IN THE PICTURE ANYMORE? BECAUSE HE'S QUITE FAMILIAR WITH CLAY COUNTY.
>> HE'S AROUND, YEAH. NOBODY SUBMITTED HIS NAME.
I CERTAINLY DON'T MIND CONTACTING HIM.
HE WORKS AT ROGERS TOWERS. >> HE PROBABLY HAS A SHORT
LEARNING CURVE I WOULD IMAGINE. >> HE PROBABLY HAS A ZERO
LEARNING CURVE (LAUGHING). >> MR. CHAIR, RATHER THAN PU AN AD OUT TO THE BAR, THE ONES YOU MENTIONED -- IF WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM, PERSONALLY, AND SEE IF THEY COULD DO IT? IBELIEVE IT WOULD SAVE US MONEY.
RATHER THAN SOMEBODY FROM ORLANDO OR TALLAHASSEE COMING IN AND CHARGING US A LOT MORE MONEY .
AND I'M LKE WHAT DALE SAID. JUST TRY TO KEEP THIS MONEY IN CLAY COUNTY. IF WE COULD.
P>> I WOULD SAY, THEN, PROVIDE THE NAMES OF ANYBODY YOU HAVE TO COURTNEY. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT YOU DO THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING. SO WE CAN GET THE LAST OF THOSE RESUMES OUT IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY.
THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND TAKE A VOTE ON WHO WE WANT.
AND THEN PROCEED. SO WE DON'T HOLD ANY MORE
MEETINGS UP WITH IT. >> ARE WE CONSIDERING GLENN TAYLOR AND MARK (NAME) BE SO MEDICALLY.
>> SURE. LIKE I SAID, BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, PLEASE GIVE THOSE NAMES TO COURTNEY.
>> OKAY. >> SO I HAVE BOTH OF THOSE NAMES. I WILL REACH OUT TO BOTH OF THEM AND SEE IF THEY ARE INTERESTED.
I WILL HAVE TERESA INCLUDE THEIR BIOS IN THE NEXT, ASSUMING THEY ARE. I'LL ALSO GO AHEAD AND REACH OUT TO WADE VOSE FROM LAST YEAR AND SEE IF HE STILL INTERESTED.
WHAT HIS RATE WOULD BE AND OKAY WITH ZOOM.
AND WOULD YOU GET ME THE NAME OF YOUR GENTLEMAN?
>> YES. I'LL CALL HIM TONIGHT AND LET
HIM KNOW HE'S ON THE BUBBLE. >> I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE HIS NAME GIVEN TO YOU. LET YOU CONTACT HIM AND HE CAN
>> YOU WANT HIS NAME NOW? OKAY.
I'LL GIVE IT TO ENTER AN EMAIL. >> OKAY.
>> AND COURTNEY, BETWEEN YOU AND TERESA, CAN YOU ALSO PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH APPROXIMATELY WHAT WE SPENT IN LEGAL FEES ON THE LAST TWO? CHARTERS? SO WE HAVE AN IDEA. I KNOW WE HAVE A $10,000 BUDGET. BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW
HOW CLOSE WE CAME TO THAT. >> DO YOU WANT THAT BY BILLABLE
IT'S TH BUDGET IN ME COMING THROUGH.
THAT'S ALL. >> UNDERSTANDABLY.
BUT YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SERVICES RENDERED. YOU PROBABLY WANT BILLABLE
HOURS, DON'T YOU? >> I THINK HE SPLIT IT UP BY OURS. BUT I'M SURE THE TIME BEFORE, MR. FLOWERS, I'M SURE HE DID THE SAME THING.
SO WE WILL WORK ON THAT. >> THANK YOU.
>> MS. GRIMM'S, QUICK QUESTION. SO IN OUR INITIAL MEETING, ONE OF OUR COMMITTEE MEMBERS WAS ZOOMING IN.
I KNOW THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT -- THERE MAY BE A
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SUNSHINE LAW KIND OF THING. SO IF I WERE AN ATTORNEY, WHOEVER IT MAY BE, ZOOM IN OR COME VIA TEAMS, WOULD THAT ALSO BE PROBLEMATIC IN TERMS OF THE SUNSHINE LAW?>> HE WOULD NOT BE VOTING. SO THE ISSUE REALLY BECOMES WHEN YOU ARE VOTING. SO IT HAS TO BE A DISCUSSION BETWEEN ALL OF YOU THAT HAS TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC.
HE WILL JUST BE PROVIDING YOU ADVICE.
HE WOULD BE A CONSULTANT PROVIDING ADVICE.
HE WOULDN'T BE VOTING OR ANYTHING.
THAT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. >> OKAY.
>> ARE WE GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY? OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO (INDISCERNIBLE) IF WE NEED TO, WE COULD CALL YOU? BECAUSE TO ME, IF WE HAVE HIM HERE EVERY MEETING, THAT'S GOING TO COST MONEY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE PLANNING ON DOING?
>> WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST? >> IN THE PAST HE ATTENDED
EVERY MEETING. >> 800 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT PER MEETING. (INDISCERNIBLE).
IF YOU DON'T NEED HIM, WHY DO WE HAVE THEM HERE?
>> IT DEPENDS ON THE TOPIC AND WHETHER OR NOT QUESTIONS COME UP. LET'S SAY WE ARE HAVING A DISCUSSION AND WE NEED TO GET AN ANSWER.
BUT WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING TO GET THE ANSWER.
>> WE CAN HAVE THEM ON ZOOM AND RETAIN HIM.
AND IF WE NEEDED HIM, WE COULD (INDISCERNIBLE)?
>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION.
HOWEVER WE CHOOSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE HOW WE WOULD WANT TOEMPLOY HIS OR HER SERVICES.
YES SIR? >> PERSONALLY IT MAKES A LOT MORE BUSINESS SENSE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS EITHER LOCAL IN THIS AREA OR CAN COME IN VIA ZOOM OR SOME TYPE OF SERVICE LIKE THAT. BECAUSE IF WE ARE NOT CAREFUL, WE'RE GOING TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME AND FEES AND DRY TIME TO AND FROM AS WE ARE WITH THEM ACTUALLY HERE WORKING.
SO IF WE CAN GET THEM VIA ZOOM AND SAVE MONEY, AND THEY'RE QUALIFIED TO DO IT (INDISCERNIBLE).
>> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. ALL RIGHT.
CONNIE AND THEN DEBORAH. >> CONNIE HAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR ABOUT WHETHER WE SHOULD (INDISCERNIBLE) ZOOM OR NOT.
>> ARE YOU IN A SECOND IT DEBORAH?
WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT ZOOM AS A MEANS OF HAVING OUR ATTORNEY ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND FACILITATE THE
MEETING. >> THAT WOULD BE LIMITED TO JUST THE ATTORNEY ATTENDING. IT WOULD NOT BE FOR ANY CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MEMBERS TO ATTEND.
AND IT WOULD NOT BE FOR THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND.
>> GREAT. IS THAT AN AMENDMENT? DO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT?
SO THE ORIGINAL MOTION TO BRING IN AN ATTORNEY -- ALLOW AN ATTORNEY, I SHOULD SAY, VIA ZOOM OR OUTLOOK --
>> TEAMS. >> -- TEAMS, THANK YOU.
TO HELP MINIMIZE TRAVEL COST. AND AMENDED -- STATE THE
AMENDMENT, PLEASE. >> AMENDED TO MAKE THAT EXCLUSIVELY FOR THE ATTORNEY BUT NOT FOR THE CRC MEMBERS OR
SO THAT IS THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT?
>> I WOULD PROBABLY JUST CLARIFY THE VIDEOCONFERENCING IN SPITE OF SPECIFYING TEAMS OR ZOOM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
>> THAT'S FINE. THE COUNTY JUST USES TEAMS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE METHOD PROVIDED.
>> DEBORAH? >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T SPECIFICALLY RELEGATE OURSELVES TO ONLY CONFERENCE TYPE CALLING. I MEAN, THAT'S AN OPTION WE ARE LEAVING OPEN. IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION TO BE? WE COULD STILL HAVE AN ATTORNEY HERE IN PERSON IF IT WAS A LOCAL ATTORNEY?
>> DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THAT? >> AMEND THAT AS IF THEY ARE A LOCAL ATTORNEY THEY WON'T APPEAR?
>> WE HAVE THE OPTION. >> IT'S THE OPTION TO ZOOM.
OT THE OPTION -- DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
>> I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. >> YEAH.
I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT US TO JUST AN OUT OF TOWN ATTORNEY TO ZOOM. I WANT THE OPTION TO BE OPEN IF WE HIRE AN ATTORNEY WHO'S OUT OF THE AREA.
>> (INDISCERNIBLE) THE FACT THAT WE SHOULD PUT A MOTION AS
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TO THE FACT THAT WHEN WE ARE PRESENTING THAT TO THESE CANDIDATES, THAT THERE WOULD BE (INDISCERNIBLE) TO FACILITATE THE MEETING BY ZOOM. MY MOTION IS MORE -- ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW LOCAL ATTORNEYS TO APPEAR BY SIMPSON? MY WHOLE QUESTION WAS WHEN WE ARE SOLICITING THE MOTION -- WHEN WE ARE SOLICITING THESE ATTORNEYS, ARE WE GOING TO SAY WELL, YOUR RATE IS NEGOTIABLE BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO APPEAR BY ZOOM? YOU KNOW? BUT YOU CAN'T -- WITH THE CRITERIA THERE, THAT I AM TRYING TO GET TO IS -- ARE WE GOING TO NEGOTIATE WITH OUT OF TOWN ATTORNEYS ONE WAY? AND THEN, NEGOTIATE WITH LOCAL ATTORNEYS ANOTHER WAY? THAT WAS THE WHOLE ISSUE I WAS TRYING TO COME TO. WAS RB GOING TO LOWER OR RAISE THEIR FEES IF THEY APPEAR BY SIMPSON? IT WAS A QUESTION OF HOW ARE WE GOING TO NEGOTIATE? AND IS THERE GOING TO BE A STANDARD ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE TABLE? FOR EACH CANDIDATE, IS IT GOING TO BE THE SAME PLATFORM? FOR MONEY AND APPEARANCE ANDHOURLY RATE? >> ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT?
DAVID? >> I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO MAKE IT CONSISTENT. WE ARE OPEN TO OUR COUNSEL APPEARING BY ZOOM. PERIOD.
WHETHER HE IS IN TALLAHASSEE OR ON TOWNCENTER BOULEVARD.>> I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO NEGOTIATE.
IF OUR PREFERENCE TO MINIMIZE TRAVEL COSTS FOR OUT OF TOWN ATTORNEYS IS TO HAVE THEM COME IN VIA TEAMS OR VIDEOCONFERENCE. THEN WE SHOULD DO THAT IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS IS MY OPINION. THAT SHOULD BE A CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE AS PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT WE ARE GOING TO OFFER.
>> BUT ARE WE GOING TO PAY SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN FLEMING ISLAND TRAVEL PAY? TO COME TO THE MEETING?
>> WELL, YOU -- IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEGOTIATE.
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO. UNLESS, IN MY OPINION, YOU SAID EVERYTHING HAS TO BE VIA VIDEOCONFERENCE.
AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE WHAT WE WANT.
ULTIMATELY, WE MAY WANT SOMEBODY HERE.
AND IT COSTS US AN HOUR OF TRAVEL TIME.
BUT YOU HAVE THEM HERE. AND IT MIGHT BE EASIER THAN THE VIDEOCONFERENCING. ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS MINIMIZE THE COST FOR OUT OF TOWN ATTORNEYS BILLING US FOR THREE OR FOUR HOURS OF TRAVEL TIME FOR EVERY MEETING.
THAT WAS THE POINT THAT WE ASKED COURTNEY TO LOOK AT.
>> OKAY. BUT MY QUESTION TO COURTNEY WAS, ARE WE RUNNING INTO ANY PROBLEMS? IF WE ARE NEGOTIATING ONE PLATFORM WITH ONE CANDIDATE AND ANOTHER PLATFORM WITH ANOTHER CANDIDATE?
>> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> SO THERE IS NO ISSUE WITH IT? WE ARE NOT PUTTING AN UNBALANCED NEGOTIATION TO THE ATTORNEYS?
>> I THINK YOU SHOULD DECIDE WHICH ATTORNEY THAT YOU WOULD LIKE. AND THEN, YOU JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH HOW YOU NEGOTIATE THE DEAL.
>> AGREED. >> AND I THINK GOING BACK TO ZOOM, THAT IS JUST IF YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS -- I DON'T THINK YOU NECESSARILY NEED TO VOTE ON IT TONIGHT.
BUT IF YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE METHOD, THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CONSIDER THE OUT-OF-TOWNERS.
SO LET'S KEEP THAT AS AN OPTION.
>> MR. CHAIR, MIGHT I SUGGEST (INDISCERNIBLE) TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION. AND ENTER ANOTHER MOTION (INDISCERNIBLE) ATTORNEYS FREE TO USE ZOOM OR VIDEOCONFERENCING (INDISCERNIBLE).
>> OKAY. SO DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THE
MOTION? >> SO -- YOU ARE ASKING ME TO WITHDRAW THE MOTION BASED ON WHAT?
>> IT'S BECOME VERY CONVOLUTED. >> WE ALSO HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO IT, TOO. SO I WILL WITHDRAW THE ORIGINAL
MOTION. >> AMENDMENT WITHDRAWN.
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>> OKAY. >> IN MY MOTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT -- MY MOTION IS WHETHER OR NOT WE ALLOW THECANDIDATES
TO APPEAR VIA TELECONFERENCING. >> YOUR MOTION WOULD NEED TO BE WE ALLOW IT OR WE DON'T ALLOW IT.
ONE OF THE TWO. >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT WEATHER IS .SO WHETHER OR NOT WE ALLOW THE ATTORNEYS TO APPEAR VIA ZOOM TELECONFERENCING. SO MAYBE SKYPE.
>> I WOULD REQUEST YOU MAKE YOUR MOTION -- HOW ABOUT IF I MAKE MY MOTION --
>> YOU CAN HAVE A MOTION WITH A QUESTION.
>> ALL I WANT ADDRESSED IS WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO USE TELECONFERENCING. PERIOD.
>> THE MOTION SHOULD BE YOU WANT TO GO ONE WAY OR THE OTHER? AND AS A BODY WE VOTE ON IT, YES, SIR NO. (INDISCERNIBLE).
YOU NEED TO HAVE A REQUEST. >> I WOULD ALSO ASK THE BOARD, DO WE NEED A MOTION? OR DO WE NEED TO JUST EXPRESS A PREFERENCE OF THE BOARD THAT IN NEGOTIATIONS -- USE ZOOM OR IN THIS CASE VIDEOCONFERENCING WHENEVER POSSIBLE TO MINIMIZE TRAVEL COSTS?
>> THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.
>> WE WILL NEGOTIATE THAT THEY WILL USE IT TO MINIMIZE COST.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD RATHER THAN A MOTION. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN YOU
WOULD WITHDRAW THE MOTION. >> SO I'M WITHDRAW THE MOTION AND OPEN IT UP (INDISCERNIBLE)
>> AND I WOULD ASK THE BOARD HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT A CONSENSUS. IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO? A PREFERENCE. AND WE MAKE THAT FOR THE RECORD. AND WHEN WE ENTER INTO NEGOTIATIONS, THAT BECOMES PART OF NEGOTIATIONS.
RATHER THAN CALL FOR A VOTE, DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS OR ANY
DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT? >> (INDISCERNIBLE).
>> COURTNEY, FROM A PERSPECTIVE, DOES THAT GIVE YOU
>> YOU CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE WANT TO DO? YES, MA'AM,, THANK YOU. STOP THANK YOU.
IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION. OKAY.
NEW BUSINESS. DO WE HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? NO? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THAT.
PUBLIC COMMENT IS NOW OPEN AGAIN.
DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NONE, PUBLIC COMMENT IS
[CRC MEMBER COMMENTS]
CLOSED. (LAUGHING).MEMBER COMMENTS? WE CAN GO AROUND THE ROOM.
ARE THERE ANY GENERAL COMMENTS FOR THE BOARD? GO AHEAD, MITCH. WHO'S GOT A FIRST?
RANDY? >> I PROMISE I'M NOT GONNA BELONG WITH IT! I PROPOSE WE ESTABLISH A
SUBCOMMITTEE -- SORRY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE WE ESTABLISH AT LEAST ONE SUBCOMMITTEE TO BEGIN LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL CONTENT FOR THE BILL OF RIGHTS.
FOR THE CITIZENS. AND THAT WE DEVELOP THAT SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE PURPOSE OF BRINGING CONTENT BACK TO THIS
THAT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. >> I NEED CORRECTION.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC MEETING WHEN WE DO THAT? WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE? SO IT'S A SEPARATE PUBLIC MEETING?> COULDN'T IT BE BY PROXY VIA EMAIL OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN THIS PARTICULAR ROOM WHEN WE DO IT? CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION VIA EMAIL ABOUT THAT TOPIC BEFORE COMING INTO THIS ROOM? WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF HAVING EMAIL THEN? TO RECEIVE COMMUNICATIONS FROM MS. CAPO? OKAY.
I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW. >> THAT'S A SUNSHINE LAW AGAIN.
>> THAT TOPIC ARE DIFFERENT TOPICALLY.
>> YOUR CHOICE. >> IN THE NEXT MEETING, COURTNEY IF YOU COULD OR IF SOMEONE COULD, LET'S JUST TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE CHARTER IS.
I SAY THAT BECAUSE IN MY MIND, A CHARTER IS AN OVERARCHING DOCUMENT. AND WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF ON THIS LIST THAT GETS DOWN TO POLICY AND PROCEDURE WHICH IS NOT WHAT A CHARTER IS SUPPOSED TO DO.
THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE CALLED OUT.
I'M GOING TO PICK ON THE ONE ABOUT A TURNOVER PACKAGE.
I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL IDEA. BUT I THINK IT SUFFICES IF WE SAY AS A GROUP THAT WE ARE GOING TO INSTRUCT ADMIN TO
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START PUTTING TOGETHER A TURNOVER MANUAL.SO IN FUTURE CASES YOU'VE GOT PTHAT.
AND THAT ISSUE IS DONE AND OVER WITH.
IT'S NOT UP TO US TO TELL THEM WHAT TO PUT IN THERE.
IT'S SIMPLY TO SAY THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AND MOVE ON.
BUT THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE PART OF A CHARTER.
WE MIGHT REFERENCE IN THE CHARTER WITH VERBIAGE THAT SAYS THERE WILL BE A TURNOVER PACKAGE.
SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT THING.
AND THERE ARE NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS THAT WE LISTED HERE THAT DON'T SEEM TO BE A CHARTER TYPE ITEM.
THEIR GREAT DISCUSSION POINTS, BUT WE NEED TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS ON WHAT KIND OF THINGS DO WE POTENTIALLY PUT IN FRONT OF THE VOTERS? AND WE ARE GOING TO ASK THEM TO VOTE ON. AND WE SHOULD ALWAYS KEEP THAT IN MIND. WE TALK A LOT ABOUT TO USE PEOPLE FROM CLAY COUNTY? OR DO YOU NEED TO LIVE HERE FOR FIVE OR 10 YEARS? THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, YOU HAVE TO GET ELECTED. AND THAT MEANS YOU HAV TO KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE.I'D RATHER HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN HERE A SHORTER PERIOD OF TIME AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND HAVE MADE THE CONTACTS THAN TO ARBITRARILY RESTRICT IT TO SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN HERE. FRANKLY, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL YOU THE STUFF WE PUT IN THE CHARTER IS CRAZY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE WAY THEY DID IT IN 1900.
I DON'T WANT TO BE A PERSON WHO DOES THAT.
WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. THE COUNTY IS MOVING FORWARD.
AND AS A BODY, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ALSO.
AND NOT TRY TO ISOLATE OURSELVES IN THE 20TH CENTURY.
SO THE MAIN TOPIC WOULD BE, AND I DON'T KNOW, COURTNEY, IF THAT COMES FROM YOU -- IF WE COULD HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE CHARTER IS INTENDED TO DO AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE PARAMETERS UNDER WHICH WE APPROACH TO TRY TO CHANGE THE CHARTER. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.
>> COURTNEY, CAN YOU GET US THE SUNSHINE LAW BOOKLET? THE SMALL BOOKLET WITH ALL THE SUNSHINE LAW'S? IT SHOWS YOU EVERYTHING TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA?
>> THE ONLY THING THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH IS THE ONE PUT OUT BY THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. IT'S PRETTY THICK.
BUT WE CAN SEND YOU THE LINK. IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE
WEBSITE. >> IT'S ABOUT THE SIZE OF
(INDISCERNIBLE). >> THE ONE THAT THEY PASS OUT IS LIKE THE SIZE OF THE CHARTER, BUT PROBABLY LIKE 900 PAGES.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I HAVE ONE.
GOING ALONG WITH THE COUNTY SEAL AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, A DEITY IS RECOGNIZED IN BOTH OF THOSE.
AND BEING THAT WE ARE A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION OF CLAY COUNTY, BEFORE WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, COULD WE HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WOULD OFFEND ANYONE, IF WE COULD DO THAT?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? X SECOND.
IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. MEMBERS, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS
ON THE MOTION? >> DOESN'T THE COMMISSION PRAY?
>> NO.> OH, THEY NO LONGER BREAK WE.
>> FOR EXAMPLE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION I SIT ON, THE AGENDA WE FOLLOWED WAS EXACTLY LIKE THIS.
THERE IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
THERE IS NO INVOCATION. >> NOT SILENCE BUT PREY --
OKAY. >> INVOCATION IS WHAT'S THERE.
NOW WHAT DEFINES INVOCATION? AND COURTNEY, IS SOMEONE APPOINTED TO SAY THAT? OR IS IT MOVING AROUND THE
DIFFERENT MEMBERS? >> THE CHAIR ASSIGNS IT TO THE
OTHER DIFFERENT BOARD MMBERS. >> OKAY.>> JUST LIKE HE
ASSIGNS THE PLEDGE. >> VERY GOOD.
ALL RIGHT. >> AND THIS IS A REQUEST AND REGARDING OUR MEETINGS -- HOW WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THAT, I
>> AND WOULD BE ENLISTED IN THE CHARTER OR ARE YOU JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY IS A PROCEDURE IN OUR MEETINGS?
SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU WOULD HAVE A CALL TO ORDER, A WELCOME, INVOCATION, PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, AND ROLL CALL AND IT WOULD FLOW RIGHT DOWN? AND WHAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE
>> WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND IT WAS SECOND TO ADD
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INVOCATION TO THE AGENDA. >> A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
>> A MOMENT OF SILENCE IS WHAT IT IS.
NOW, DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT AS A MOMENT OF SILENCE? OR DO YOU WANT AN INVOCATION? IF IT'S AN INDICATION, IT WILL
TAKE AN AMENDMENT. >> I THINK WE NEED TO DETERMINE WHO WANTS TO DO THAT. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO STEP UP.
>> IT'S ASSIGNED BY THE CHAIR, I WOULD ASSUME.
>> SO TYPICALLY -- I'LL JUST REFLECT ON AN EXAMPLE IN ROTARY. WE HAVE AN INVOCATION AS WELL AS THE PLEDGE. THE INVOCATION, TYPICALLY, IS GOING TO BE NONDENOMINATIONAL. BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT FAITHS IN ROTARY. SO IF YOU ARE GOING TO -- IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN INVOCATION, THEN MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE WHOEVER DOES IT KEEP IT NONDENOMINATIONAL. IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT A MOMENT OF SILENCE, THEN FINE. BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. THOUGHTS?
>> I'LL GO FOR THE MOMENT OF SILENCE, WHICH IS THE OPPOSITE OF MY STRONG FEELINGS. BUT IT CERTAINLY WOULD KEEP US
OUT OF TROUBLE I THINK. >> OKAY.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR
A MOMENT OF SILENCE. >> I SUPPORT THAT.
>> ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ADD A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND IT WAS SECONDED.
ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSE? THE MOTION CARRIES. THAT WILL BE PART OF THE
AGENDA. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
HANK YOU, COMMISSION. >> THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? ACTUALLY, I SHOULD SAY COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE ON? YES, SIR?
>> IT SAYS IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS -- I HAVE BROWARD COUNTY HERE. IT'S ABOUT A PAGE AND 1/2.
WE WANT TO DISTRIBUTE THIS TO THE BOARD SHORT OF READING ALL OF THIS, WE WANT TO DISTRIBUTE THIS BY EMAIL (INDISCERNIBLE) SUNSHINE LAW'S. (INDISCERNIBLE) HAS A CHANCE TO REVIEW IT. IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT?
>> YES. YOU WOULD PROVIDE IT TO MS. CAPO, WHO WOULD IN TURN TAKE THAT AND SEND IT OUT TO
EVERYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN -- I PROMISE I WON'T GET LONG-WINDED ABOUT THIS.
THE SUBJECT OF SUBCOMMITTEES AND HOW THEY MIGHT OPERATE -- FOR THE PURPOSE, STRICTLY, FOR MOVING US FORWARD ON ONE SPECIFIC TOPIC, OUTSIDE OF THIS MEETING -- ASSUME THAT THE SUNSHINE LAW REQUIRES -- HAS QUITE A FEW CONSTRAINTS ON HOW THAT OPERATION WOULD BE CONDUCTED.
BUT WE HAVE TO BE IN THIS ROOM. THERE HAS TO BE A QUORUM OF
MEMBERS OF THIS BODY, OR --? >> I WOULD REFER TO THE COUNTY
ATTORNEY FOR THAT. >> SO YOU WOULD (INDISCERNIBLE) YOUR SUBCOMMITTEE, HOW MANY MEMBERS THERE ARE.
TERESA WILL SEND OUT A NOTICE AND (INDISCERNIBLE).
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE HERE, BUT THAT'S THE PREFERENCE.
OTHERWISE, WHEN WE ARE TAKING MINUTES IT'S REALLY HARD.
AND IT'S ALSO HARD FOR THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND.
THANK YOU. NO OTHER COMMENTS? WE ARE LOOKING AT THE NEXT MEETING DATE, THURSDAY EVENINGS SEEM TO BE THE BEST. I THINK WE DECIDED THAT THE LAST TIME. I WANTED TO JUST THROW OUT A DATE OF NOVEMBER 18. THAT'S A THURSDAY NIGHT.
IT SEVERAL WEEKS FROM NOW. >> (INDISCERNIBLE) AVAILABILITY
(INDISCERNIBLE) 8:00. >> 8:00? OKAY. HOW ABOUT THE WEEK BEFORE?
>> THAT'S VETERANS DAY. >> THAT'S VETERANS DAY, I KNOW.
SO WE ARE BRACKETED THIS MONTH BY TWO HOLIDAYS.
THAT'S WHY I PICKED THE 18TH. BUT OBVIOUSLY, (INDISCERNIBLE) NOT AVAILABLE UNTIL 8 PM ON THE 18TH.
HOW ABOUT THE 11TH IF IT'S OPEN? OKAY. IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION.
>> ARE THE COUNTY OFFICES CLOSED ON THE 11TH?
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YOU DON'T GET VETERANS DAY OFF? >> IT'S VETERANS DAY -- I REALIZE IT'S VETERANS DAY. IT'S THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE ROOMS OPEN AND PEOPLE ARE AVAILABLE.
OTHERWISE, WE HAVE TO LOOK TO DECEMBER.
>> ANOTHER DAY OF THE WEEK? >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING.
>> IF WE WERE LOOKING AT ANOTHER DAY -- MONDAY, WHICH IS --
THE 17TH -- A WEDNESDAY? >> I HAVE MEETINGS ON WEDNESDAY
NIGHTS. >> YEAH, I'M NOT HERE EITHER.
>> HOW ABOUT MONDAY EVENING? IS THAT A BETTER CHOICE?> MONDAY IS GOOD. THE 15TH?
>> THE 15TH. >> JUST FOR THIS NEXT MEETING?
>> I'M NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE 15TH.
>> WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE NOT --. >> THE 22ND WORKS FOR ME.
>> THE 22ND I WON'T BE IN TOWN. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT (LAUGHING) --
>> THE 16TH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING IS IN HERE.
>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S LOOK AT THE FIRST THURSDA IN DECEMBER. IF THAT WORKS?
>> I'M NOT AVAILABLE, BUT THAT'S ONE PERSON.
>> OKAY. >> WE ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A
>> WHAT WAS THE OBJECTION TO VETERANS DAY? IF THE FACILITY IS OPEN AND WE --
COUNTY STAFF. >> AND THEY WERE OFF? I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THEY WERE WORKING.
NEVER MIND. >> WAS THE 16TH -- NOVEMBER --.
>> TUESDAYS ARE BAD FOR A LOT OF FOLKS.
>> MONDAY, THE 18TH --? THE EIGHTH?
>> THAT'S A LITTLE SHORT FOR THEM TO TRY TO TURN THINGS
AROUND. >> HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE NOT
AVAILABLE ON THE 18TH? >> THE ROOM IS NOT AVAILABLE UNTIL 8:00. IF WE LOOKED AT THE FIRST THURSDAY IN DECEMBER -- THAT'S THE SECOND.
ARE MOST OF US AVAILABLE ON THE SECOND?>> MOVE FOR MEETING ON
THEN, AT THE SAME TIME, THE MEETING STARTS 6:30 TO 7. DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? JUST FOR TRAFFIC PURPOSES? FOR SOME WHO COME THRU TRAFFIC? ANY OBJECTIONS? NO? OKAY.
DECEMBER 2 AT 7 PM WILL BE THE NEXT MEETING.
I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF AND THE BOARD FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK.
AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYBODY AS WE MOVE AHEAD TO TACKLE THESE ITEMS. AND I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY A GOOD NIGHT. ALL RIGHT?
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? >> NO.
ONE LAST -- (INDISCERNIBLE) TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT OUR ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE FOR OUR NEXT DISCUSSION.
SO WE CAN PREPARE OURSELVES (INDISCERNIBLE) FOR THE PEOPLE.
DO YOU WANT TO SET THE AGENDA FROM TO 3 ITEMS.
>> WE WILL DO THAT. I WILL TRY TO KEEP IT BETWEEN ONE AND THREE ITEMS. MY REASON IS IF WE ALLOW HALF HOUR OR 45 MINUTES FOR DISCUSSION, AND THAT'S JUST THE START -- RIGHT AT AN HOUR TO AN HOUR AND AND A HALF DISCUSSION BESIDES ALL THE OTHER ITEMS. OLD BUSINESS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. IF I LOOKED HISTORICALLY -- FOR THOSE WHO SERVED IN THE PAST, AS I REMEMBER FROM PAST MEETINGS, TYPICALLY IN THE MINUTES YOU HAD TWO OR THREE DISCUSSION ITEMS AND THAT WAS IT.
IN THE MEETINGS RAN APPROXIMATELY TWO HOURS ON THE AVERAGE. SOMETIMES, LONGER.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? >> YET.
(INDISCERNIBLE) DISCUSSION ON THOSE TOPICS?
>> SURE. >> THE LOGICAL SEQUENCE WILL
FOLLOW THE CURRENT CHARTER? >> CORRECT.
>> OKAY.
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