Oct 26, 2021 BCC Agenda

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU ARE JOINING US TODAY FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING WE WILL GET STARTED IN A FEW MINUTES. JUST A COUPLE OF RULES BY BOOK BEHAVIOR DEPARTMENT. I DO ASK YOU TO TURN OFF YOUR CELL PHONE.

IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE BOARD FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT.

CAN YOU HAND THAT TO CHRISTINE AND THE CONTROLLER AND THE CLERK.

WILL PUT YOU IN CHARGE OF THINGS. FILL THAT OUT IF YOU WOULD.

HAND THAT IN AND WE WILL CALL YOU UP IN THE ORDER OF THE CARDS BEING TURNED A.

WHEN YOU TALK TO THE BOARD YOU WILL HAVE 30 MINUTES AT THE PODIUM.

THE LIGHTS WILL GO ON IT WILL BE GREEN WITH 15 SECONDS LEFT WILL TURN YELLOW.

THEN I WILL ASK YOU TO FINISH UP AND WE WILL MOVE ON. REMEMBER THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING SO WE DO ASK THAT YOU DO NOT APPLAUD OR CHEER. IF YOU ARE ADDRESSING THE BOARD, PLEASE DO IT AS A WHOLE NOT INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBERS OR STAFF.

WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE READY TO BEGIN. LET'S CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING WE WILL GET STARTED THIS AFTERNOON WITH OUR INVITATION FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE, AND THAT WILL BE DONE BY NAVY VETERAN MARY BATES AND WE

WILL INTRODUCE HER IN JUST A MOMENT. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN PRAYER.

LORD OUR HEAVENLY FATHER AS WE AND THE VERY DIFFICULT SUMMER SEASON CONSUMED BY PANDEMIC, THREATS OF DESTRUCTIVE WEATHER AND WORKFORCE SHORTFALLS COME WE ARE CONFIDENT TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE WATCHING OVER US. GIVE THIS COMMISSION THE PLANS WHICH ARE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AND WILL BENEFIT THE PUBLIC FOR THE GREATER GOOD. CONTINUE TO WATCH OVER OUR MILITARY AND FIRST RESPONDERS WEB DEDICATED THEIR LIVES TO PUBLIC SAFETY.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A PERSONAL EXEMPTION TODAY TO RECOGNIZE THE LOSS OF A FRIEND, COMMANDER JIM HILL WITH A GRANDFATHER OF ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS WHO PASSED THIS WEEK AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE WITH HIS FAMILY, HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY AND HIS EXTENDED FAMILY IN THE UNITED

STATES NAVY. IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. >> I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MARY BATES. MARY IS A CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT. SHE IS RETIRED NAVY SERVED FOUR YEARS REACHED THE RANK OF PETTY OFFICER THIRD CLASS. SHE JOINED AT THE TENDER AGE OF 17 TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY WE APPRECIATE THAT. SHE RECEIVED MANY MEDALS.

SHE HAD A LETTER OF ACCOMMODATION AS WELL AND I'LL SHE WORKS AS A SO THE TWO TEACHER IN CLAY COUNTY AND THE YMCA AS A VOLUNTEER COORDINATOR. IF YOU WILL JOIN US AT THE MICROPHONE AND GET US STARTED WITH THE PLEDGE. THERE YOU GO.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY

AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU, MARY AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

YOU CAN BE SEATED. >> AS WE CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT IT IS A LENGTHY AGENDA TODAY SO PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH US.

WE WILL TRY TO EXPEDITE OUR WAY THROUGH THE AGENDA AND THE MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS.

I DO EXPECT IT TO TAKE US SOME TIME TO GET THROUGH THE ITEMS TODAY BUT WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND AGAIN, IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO COMMENT TO THE BOARD GET YOUR CARD IN IN AND WILL PUT YOU IN ORDER AND GET YOU TO SPEAK TO THE BOARD. ALL RIGHT, LET THE RECORD SHOW

[PET ADOPTIONS]

>> OKAY, FIRST WE HAVE NO WELL, A NEUTERED MALE MIXED BREED 19 POUNDS.

NOLA IS A NERVOUS GUIDE THAT NEEDS A FAMILY WITH A LOT OF TIME AND PATIENCE.

HE IS DOG FRIENDLY AND WOULD DO BEST WITH A DOG FRIEND TO HELP HIM FEEL MORE CONFIDENT.

HE IS UP TO DATE ON HIS AGE APPROPRIATE VACCINATIONS AND MICROCHIP.

>> THE NEXT DOG IS DANNY A NEUTERED MALE MIXED BREED NINE MONTHS OLD AND WEIGHS 60 POUNDS.

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IS DOG FRIENDLY AND WOULD DO BEST WITH A DOG FRIEND TO HELP HIM FEEL MORE CONFIDENT.

HE IS ALSO UP TO DATE ON HIS VACCINATIONS AND MICROCHIP. OUR FIRST LITTLE KITTEN IS A NEUTERED MALE DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR THREE MONTHS OLD. GATOR IS A SWEET BOY WHO WANTS NOTHING MORE THAN LOVE AND AFFECTION. HE LIKES KIDS AND OTHER CATS BUT NOT FOND OF CANINE FAMILY MEMBERS. HIS FOSTER MOM SAID HE LIKES SNUGGLING ON YOUR CHEST THAT NIGHT. HE IS UP-TO-DATE ON ALL OF HIS AGE APPROPRIATE VACCINES AND MICROCHIP. OUR LAST CAP IS SKELLY DOMESTIC MEDIUM HAIR HE IS A SWEET KITTEN THAT LOVES LOUNGING AROUND. HE WANTS A FAMILY TO BUILD ON THEM AND SPOIL HIM AT EVERY CHANCE POSSIBLE. HE IS UP TO DATE ON ALL OF HIS AGE APPROPRIATE VACCINES AND MICROCHIP. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ADOPTING PLEASE E-MAIL OF THAT CLAY COUNTY GULF.GOV OR YOU CAN CALL US.

CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES ALSO OFFERS A CLINIC ON THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH FOR RABIES AND OTHER SHOTS. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN OUR KIDS AND PROVE WE ARE LOOKING FOR FOSTERS PLEASE E-MAIL OF THAT CLAY FOSTER THAT CLAY COUNTY.COM.

THAT CONCLUDES THE PET ADOPTIONS. TALKS BREAK YOU TERESA.

THOSE PET ADOPTIONS, ARE OUT OF THE ANIMAL CONTROL SOLDIER. A FEW MONTHS AGO WE DID SEE ANIMALS FROM A RESIDENCE IN MIDDLEBURG. THEY ARE BEING HOUSED CURRENTLY AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. UPWARD DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WILL GIVE US AN

UPDATE ON WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THEM. >> THANK YOU, JOHN FORD DIRECTOR OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. A REAL QUICK UPDATE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN WHERE WE ARE GOING WITH THE CURRENT ANIMALS. RIGHT NOW, AT THE TEMPORARY ANIMAL CARE CONTROL FACILITY WE CURRENTLY HAVE 240 ANIMALS. WE HAVE HAD 36 THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED OUT AND TRANSFERRED TO CLAY HUMANE OR OUR NORMAL SHELTER FOR MEDICAL CARE AND FURTHER CARE.

THIRTEEN OF THOSE ARE PUPPIES THAT WERE BORN SINCE WE SEIZED THE ANIMAL ON A MONDAY.

THIRTEEN PUPPIES SO FAR WITH A COUPLE OF MORE BELIEVED TO BE COMING SOON.

JUST SOME BULLET POINTS OF WHERE WE ARE AT. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE LEGAL PROCESS, WE HAD THE COURT HEARING LAST WEEK. WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH SOME OF THAT PROCESS. AS SOON AS THAT IS DONE WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT WILL BE THE POTENTIAL ADOPTION GOING ON. IN THE MEANWHILE, WE ARE WORKING WITH PARTNERS AROUND THE COMMUNITY TO COME IN AND LOGISTICALLY MOVED TO THEIR FACILITIES TO GET THESE LITTLE ANIMALS GROOMED UP, CLEANED UP A LITTLE MORE THEN WHAT THEY WERE THEY WERE.

WE ARE MAKING THE PLAN OF THE LOGISTICS TO MOVE THEM OUT TO EITHER OUR ANIMAL SHELTER OR CLAY HUMANE SO THEY CAN DO THE SPAY AND NEUTER SURGERIES. THEY CAN'T BE DONE THERE AS WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE LOGISTIC PROCESS OF MOVING THE ANIMALS BACK AND FORTH.

THE OTHER TEAM WE HAVE A PLANNING TEAM TO START TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT ADOPTIN PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE. OBVIOUSLY WHEN WE GET DONE WE HAVE 250 PLUS ANIMALS THAT WILL BE OUT THERE THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT ADOPTION EVENT SO WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE. WHAT PARTNERS WE NEED AND THAT. THAT IS JUST TO SET EXPECTATIONS WE ARE SAYING 3-4 WEEKS. HOPEFULLY WE CAN RELEASE A DATE BUT FOR EXPECTATIONS WE ARE LOOKING AT PRE-FOUR WEEKS. WE HAD AN OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF DONATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS FROM THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE ONE OF THE BUILDING THREE, ONE OF THE EXHIBIT HALLS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN WALK FIVE FEET WITHOUT WALKING INTO DOG FOOD.

WE HAVE A LOT OF DOG FOOD, LIVESTOCK FEED. WE HAVE A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD ASK THE COMMUNITY AT THIS TIME WE DON'T NEED DONATIONS RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT AND HOPEFULLY WITHIN ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS, WE CAN GET THEM TO THEIR NEW HOMES SO WE WILL NOT NEED THAT ANY LONGER.

THE LAST THING IS OBVIOUSLY WE HAD TO SET UP A TEMPORARY ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL FACILITY.

WE ALSO HAVE WHAT IS CALLED A DEMOBILIZATION TEAM. WHAT THAT WILL LOOK LIKE AFTER WE GET THE ANIMALS ADOPTED, AND GET IT CLEANED UP BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE WITH THE ANIMALS BEING OUT THERE AND THE SET UP WE HAVE DONE. PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, THAT IS

ALL I HAVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR JAMMEH -- ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOHN AT THIS POINT? GREAT UPDATE. LET'S TAKE A MINUTE TO THANK ALL

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IT IS AMAZING TO ME THAT WE HAD TO TELL EVERYONE TO STOP DROPPING THINGS OFF BECAUSE WE HAD SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR TURNING OUT AND HELPING US IN A TIME OF NEED AND CERTAINLY AS WE FIGURE OUT HOW WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADOPT THESE ANIMALS THAT WE WILL GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS. BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, CAN WE GET SOMEONE TO TURN THE BANK OF LIGHTS ON. JOHN LOOKED AS IF HE WAS GETTING READY TO GO TO THE MOVIES IT WAS

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

CORRECTIONS. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE THE WORKSHOP AND MEETING MINUTES.

>> WE HAVE A SECOND PERIOD ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, ANY OF THE DISCUSSION

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

I HAVE FOUR CARDS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING TO THE BOARD LOOK FOR THE COMMENT CARD AND TURN IT IN. THE FIRST CARD IS FROM PATRICK

HALE FROM MERCY SERVICES, COME ON DOWN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON TO THE COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS PATRICK H I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES. I WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON THE INITIATIVE FOR THE CLAY GATEWAY, VERY ENCOURAGED WITH THE STATS AND STEPS YOU HAVE TAKEN. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU.

I PROMISE I WILL WORK WITH YOU IN WHATEVER WAY I CAN. TODAY, I AM HERE TO, LET ME JUST READ THIS DIRECTLY. WE ARE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING THAT MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES BE CONSIDERED FOR AN ALLOCATION FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT TO SUPPORT ITS EFFORTS.

YOU ARE PRETTY MUCH AWARE OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS SINCE ITS INCEPTION TEN YEARS AGO.

WE HAVE A WELL DOCUMENTED SUCCESS OF ENDING THE CYCLE OF POVERTY WITH OUR GRADUATES AND HELPING THEM BECOME PRODUCTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL CITIZENS. IN THE LAST 18 MONTHS OF THE PANDEMIC COMBINED WITH THE ROCKY ROAD ALREADY IN CLAY COUNTY AND THE EXPECTED GROWTH, THE NEEDS FOR SERVICES HAS RISEN DRAMATICALLY. EVER SINCE MERCY HAS WORKED WITH THE COUNTY TO KEEP 177 FAMILIES IN THEIR HOMES AND AVOID HOMELESSNESS, THE CALLS IN THE CENTER HAVE DOUBLED. WE HAVE HAD TO HIRE STAFF MEMBERS TO KEEP UP WITH THE INCREASE AND NEEDS THERE. BUT WE ARE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT BECAUSE OF OUR BUDGET SUPPORT FROM DONORS AND CHURCHES. AS A RESULT, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF MERCY SUPPORT SERVICES HAVE MADE A BOLD STEP TO INITIATE THE CONSTRUCTION OF MERCY VILLAGE.

IT IS 86-5 APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WILL HAVE COMPLEXES AND TWO DORM STYLE APARTMENTS.

FORTY-TWO APARTMENTS FOR RENT SO. FROM OUR PROGRAM, THAT NO LONGER NEED, NEED TO RELY ON GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE FOR FOOD AND HOUSING AND AS A RESULT THE COUNTY BENEFITS. THE GRADUATES HAVE BECOME PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS WHOSE EARNED INCOME GENERATES STATE AND FEDERAL REVENUE. THE EFFORTS ALLOW FOR MUCH NEEDED RESOURCES TO BE DIRECTED ELSEWHERE. NO ONE WANTS TO SEE HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS ON OUR STREETS. NO ONE WANTS TO GO TO THEIR OFFICE ON A MONDAY MORNING AND SEE THE REMAINS OF SOMEONE WHO SLEPT AT THEIR DOOR. TEACHERS WANT TO TEACH, NOT PARENT HOMELESS CHILDREN AND THEIR CLASSROOM WHO HAD LITTLE SLEEP OR LITTLE FOOD TO EAT.

LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS SHOULD BE SPENDING THEIR RESOURCES FIGHTING REAL CRIME.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT TEBIN. RYAN YOU ARE NEXT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS ( INDISCERNIBLE ) I LIVE THAT POST MILL DRIVE, ORANGE PARK.

I AM HERE TO GIVE MY INPUT ABOUT THE REDISTRICTING AND THE MAPS THAT WERE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST FROM ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU CONSIDER KEEPING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER. WHAT I SAW CURRENTLY, WE HAD TO MAPS, WHEN WE BROUGHT OUR PROPERTY WE KNEW WE KNEW WE WERE PART OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE GO TO THE DOCTOR, DENTIST, WE GO GROCERY SHOPPING IN OAKLEY. OUR CHILDREN PLAY SOCCER, TENNIS, EVERYTHING IN OAKLEY. WHEN WE SPLIT UP -- I GUESS FIVE BEAT SPLITS UP, THE WEBSITE AND THE EASTSIDE. WHEN WE DO THAT WE CHANGE OUT THE COMMUNITY, OUR COMMUNITY WILL BE ACTING AND BEHAVING. THIS IS THE SAME WITH SCHOOLS, DAY CARES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE WILL JUST CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR OF THE COMMUNITY. IF WE GO AND GET A READ DISTRICT TO DISTRICT THREE, WE WILL BELONG TO THE SAME DISTRICT THAT AS GATEWAY INITIATIVES.

WHAT IS TO SAY THAT, IF THERE ARE CONCERNS THIS IS THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST AND NOW WE ARE TOGETHER WITH THE GATEWAY INITIATIVE. THERE IS, AS I'VE MENTIONED AN ISSUE ON CHESWICK, WHO DO WE CALL, IF THERE IS A POTHOLE ON THE LEFT SIDE WILL IT BE DISTRICTS TO ON THE RIGHT SIDE DISTRICT THREE WHAT IF IT IS IN THE MIDDLE.

I KNOW IT IS SIMPLISTIC BUT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LOCAL REPRESENTATION.

THE DIVIDING LINE IS SMALL. WE ARE DIVIDING A COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN TOGETHER, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THE COMMISSIONERS THINK OF KEEPING WITH THE NATURAL BOUNDARIES.

CURRENTLY THEY WOULD MAP 5B. MY RECOMMENDATION IS KEEP MAP 5B.

CURRENTLY THE DISTRICT TO IS 2200 AND POPULATION UNDER. IF YOU GIVE IT BACK TO DISTRICT TWO, YOU WILL BE OKAY. YOU WILL JUST TAKE THE POPULATION OUT OF DOWN SOUTH.

I THINK THE COLLEGE DRIVE AREA. YOU TAKE THE POPULATION FROM THERE.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. >> I KNOW USE SIGNED UP TO TALK ABOUT NUMBER NINE.

WE DON'T HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT. >> I'M JUST HERE IN CASE ANYONE

HAS QUESTIONS REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 15. >> I'M SORRY.

WE WILL HEAR FROM YOU LATER THEN. >> YOU WILL BE VOTING ON THE GUN

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IF NOT, PENALTIES WOULD BE ASSESSED. YES YOUR BIDS COME IN CLOSE BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONTRACTORS. THIS IS WHAT YOU AS THE COMMISSIONER HIRED. WHEN DO THEY MEET SEPARATELY? DOES THAT THROW UP A RED FLAG TO YOU? THIS PROJECT HAS SO MUCH UNKNOWN IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED OR READ DONE TO BE FAIR TO THE TAXPAYERS. OVERKILL.

SIDE WALKS. JACOB PAID FOR IT. I TAKE IT BACK WE PAID FOR IT AS TAXPAYERS. NOT SAYING THAT DEPUTIES DON'T NEED A GUN RANGE BUT THE QUALITY, THAT IS AN OVERKILL. YOU COULD USE THIS EVERYWHERE ELSE.

NO IRRIGATION. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAINTAIN THE AREA.

YOU HAVE ONE GUY. IF THEY TELL YOU THIS IS PUBLIC LAND YOU WOULD KNOW THIS.

IF YOU LOOK AT ONE OF THE PAPERS, IF THEY KEEP SHOOTING LIKE THIS THEY WILL BE BROKEN.

IT IS JUST A WASTE. YOU MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS.

I DON'T MIND THE SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT HAVING SOMETHING BUT IT IS A WASTE OF TAXPAYERS MONEY. THIS IS NOT SAVING. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.

YOU CANNOT GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING. IF YOU GO BACK TO NEGOTIATE THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW. YOU ARE NEGOTIATING WITH A CONTRACTOR.

IF YOU WANT SOMETHING, HAVE SOME OF THE GUYS IN HERE, WHO ARE ENGINEERS.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME?

[CONSENT AGENDA]

DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS TO BE PULLED OR A MOTION TO ACCEPT. >> WE HAVE A MOTION IN AND BECKON. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[9.  Gun Range Discussion and Approval]

WE MOVED TO NUMBER NINE. BEFORE WE GO FURTHER I JUST WANT TO REMIND THE FOLKS IN THE AUDIENCE WE DO HAVE TIME CERTAIN ITEMS. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ONE OF THOSE GET US A CARD. UNTIL THEN WE WILL ROLL DOWN THE AGENDA AT THE NEXT ITEM IS NUMBER NINE THE GUN RANGE DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL. THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CONSTRUCTION OF THE CLAY COUNTY GUN RANGE TO THE CONSTRUCTION GROUP YOUR FINAL NEGOTIATING WILL TAKE PLACE WITH THE CONTRACTOR AFTER THE AWARD. GENE PRICE, WILL YOU START A

SOFTWARE? >> I AM GENE PRICE CLAY COUNTY FACILITIES.

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THIS IS A RAMP FROM THE FORESIGHT CONSTRUCTION GROUP. ALL RIGHT STEP SO WE HAVE GUN RANGE WITH THIS PROJECT MEANS THE NEED OF THE COUNTY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE LOCATION WHERE IT WAS TAKEN. THE FREQUENCY OF USE WE EXPECT HIGH FREQUENCY AND HIGH DEMAND

WITH COSTUMES AND OPPORTUNITIES GOING FORWARD. >> THE COURSE OF ACTION THE STAFF AS DISCUSSED AND REVIEWED THE COST-SAVING OPTIONS. ESTIMATIONS THE REDUCTION OF ASPHALT COULD BE INSUFFICIENT FOR. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REQUIRES AREAS TO BE PLAYED. ( INDISCERNIBLE ) THE OTHER STUFF WE WILL LOOK AT THE SEATING AND A SLIDE. AN ESTIMATE OF $100,000. WARRANTY IS THE SAME ON BOTH MATERIALS. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THE LAST SLIDE.

HERE IS WHAT IS DEPICTED IN YELLOW. THIS IS THE AREA LAW ENFORCEMENT NEEDS TO DO THEIR ANNUAL QUALIFICATION PERIOD GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

GOOD AFTERNOON STEPHEN. LOOKING THROUGH THIS COST DIFFERENCE IN SAVINGS 20% FROM FOUR DIFFERENT SUPPLIERS AND MANUFACTURERS THAT I SPOKE WITH. IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE PROBABLY A BETTER PROJECT. IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO THE DAMAGE.

IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE, IT WAS PROBABLY BETTER. >> THE WARRANTY IS ABOUT THE SAME? WE ARE LOOKING AT TWO PICTURES. ALUMINUM WOULD BE ON THE

RIGHT-HAND SIDE. >> THE STANDING IS THE GREEN ONE IT DOESN'T HAVE THIS.

I INCLUDED THIS PICTURE THIS WAS ONE OF THESE SUGGESTIONS THAT WE WOULD GO TO.

THIS IS NOT THE RECOMMENDED WAY TO GO. BOTH OF THOSE WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE GAVEL. THERE WERE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF LOOPING THIS IS THE ACTUAL METAL TYPE. HANDS JUST TO CLARIFY FOR PURCHASE WILL LOOK THE SAME.

>> THEY ARE BOTH GUARANTEED FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE

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MANUFACTURER. >> THE ONLY CAUTION I HAVE IF YOU TALK TO ORANGE PARK TOWNHOMES THEY HAVE A ROOF THAT THEY ARE REPLACING. I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T REPLICATE THAT. I GUESS NOT.

>> WE HAVE ALL HEARD ABOUT THE BUILDING MATERIAL COSTS GOING UP SINCE COVID-19.

THERE WAS TALK ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS GOING BACK DOWN. I WAS ASKED TO LOOK AT THE COST OF LAST YEAR. I TOOK A LOOK AT LUMBER, METAL AND METAL PROGRESS AND ALSO THE LABOR FORCE. YOU CAN SEE, ON THE LUMBER SIDE, FROM JANUARY -MAY BUT FROM JANUARY -SEPTEMBER WE HAVE SEEN A DECREASE IN THE PRICE OF LUMBER FROM METAL AND METAL PRODUCTS. I ALSO LOOKED AT THE LABOR FORCE.

THE PRICES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE THE EMPLOYMENT COST AND THAT IS FOR CONSTRUCTION.

THIS WOULD BE THE AVERAGE COST TO THE COMPANY SO NOT NECESSARILY THE WAGES.

BENEFITS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE INCREASES. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT

TIME FRAMES CAN SEE JUNE -MARCH. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER ON ANY OF THOSE SLIDES?

LET'S CONTINUE. >> I'M FROM THE OFFICE. THAT ANOTHER CANCELLATION.

ONCE AGAIN THE CANCELLATIONS KEEP ADDING UP. BUT HERE, 60 TOLD YOU COULD SEE THE PRICE RIGHT HERE. WITH THIS, THIS MEANS WE HAD A BOARD -- HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS.

WE HAVE BACKTRACKED THE DATES. PENDING THE BOARD'S DECISION LOOKING KEEPING THIS IN PLACE.

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>> ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THE SLIDE TEACHER SHOW. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS WILL BE

COMPLETE BY DECEMBER 1. >> NO, WE WILL TAKE THE DATE IT IS SIGNED, COUNT ONE OF THREE

DAYS. >> SAME TIMEFRAME NO SPACE ON WHEN IT WAS SIGNED.

>> WITH THE INCREASE IN MATERIALS, IT IS STILL GOOD? >> JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE

STILL ANTICIPATING LETTING THE PUBLIC USE THIS RANGE, CORRECT? >> I'M SERIOUS.

>> I THOUGHT WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THE TIME FRAMES. IT WILL BE SIMILAR TO INDIAN RIVER SHOOTING RANGE. THEY HAVE AN INTERESTING ARRANGEMENT.

THEY HAVE A CONCESSION WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE. THEY OPERATE WITH THEIR STAFF, AND THEY OPERATE WITHIN THE RANGE THEY'RE CLOSED ON TUESDAY AND WEDNESDAY $9 A DAY CHILDREN.

YOU CAN BUY A TEN DAY CARD. THEY GET 150 PER DAY. IF YOU -- THEY ALSO COLLECT 1 DOLLAR PER PERSON FOR FUTURE CLEANUP. I JUST THAT WAS AN INTERESTING WAY OF DOING IT. THAT IS A PUBLIC ARRANGEMENT THEY HAVE ANOTHER ONE FOR THE DEPUTIES. I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD MODEL FOR US TO -- AS FAR AS I'M

CONCERNED THAT IS STILL PART OF THE PLAN. >> I MOVED FOR APPROVAL.

>> I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. >> FOR DISCUSSION. >> WONDERING IF KAREN COULD ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT MR. CARTER PAID ABOUT NEGOTIATING WITH THE BIDDER?

>> SO PLEASE REVIEW THIS, THE ITEMS ABOUT REDUCING AND LOOKING AT COST SAVINGS.

TALKING ABOUT LOOKING AT THE ASPHALT AND THE CHANGE OF MATERIALS.

WE DID THAT ON OTHER PROJECTS. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN ASK THEM BUT I CAN ASK YOU, THEIR PRICES ON EROSION CONTROL WERE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE OTHER BIDDERS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE BECAUSE OF CERTAIN COMPANY SPECIALTIES OR AGREEMENTS BUT I GUESS I WAS WONDERING IF THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO BRING THOSE COSTS IN LINE WITH SOME OF THE BIDDERS WE HAD. BOTH OF THOSE ARE ALMOST

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$300,000, JUST TO JUST JUST THOSE TWO ITEMS. >> THEY ARE HERE TODAY.

AFTER TALKING WITH THEM, I DO KNOW THOUGHT IS SOMETHING WE HAVE LOOKED AT.

I DIDN'T ASK THOSE QUESTIONS BUT THEY ARE WILLING TO DISCUSS BOTH SIGN UP.

THEY HAD COMMUNICATION WITH THE PURCHASING TOMORROW DISTRICT DEPARTMENT.

>> THEIR REPRESENTATIVES HERE TODAY. >>

>> THE PRICE FORCE WAS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER AS WELL. >> WE CUT BACK ON WAS ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR. BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM WE CAN DO BETTER.

>> WE DON'T HAVE THE WATER TO PUT. DO YOU THIS FROM OUR PARKS.

IT MAKES SENSE THAT BETWEEN IT IN THE DRY SEASON. I WOULD WORK WITH THE THOUGHT

WOULD ALL DIE. >> YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO PITCH THOUGHT TWO THINGS COME TO MIND. WHEN WE AT OUR WORKSHOP I ADVOCATED NOT TO PAVE THE ROAD.

IF WE WANT TO MOVE TO THE PAVED ROADS WE CAN DO THAT. AS A COMMISSION WE CAN RAISE THE STANDARD. THAT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR US TO CONSIDER I'M OPEN TO THAT.

OBVIOUSLY I HAVE THE MOST DIRT ROADS IN MY DISTRICT BUT IF WE DO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS A COUNTY. MY OTHER THOUGHT WAS, IS THIS A POSSIBILITY, AND RICHARD COULD SPEAK TO THIS, ONE OF THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE PAVING THINGS WE WANTED TO LOOK AT.

ONE OF THE CREATIVE PROJECTS TO SEE HOW LONG IT LASTS. >> DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT?

>> IS NOT A QUESTION I DON'T WANT TO,. >> AND OPEN-ENDED QUESTION.

>> YOU COULD BUILD NEW HOUSES ON A DIRT ROAD. YOU COULD BUILD A THIRD ROW TO ACCESS HOMES. YOU HAVE STANDARDS. THE COUNTY HAS GONE UP.

Y'ALL DID NOT DO IT THEY PROBABLY DID IT MANY PORTS AGO. NOTHING CAN BE BUILT WITHOUT PAVED ACCESS. FOR NOT DOING ANYTHING DIFFERENT BY PROVIDING PAVED ACCESS.

I HAVE GONE OVER THE NUMBERS WITH THE PAVING CONTRACT. THE NUMBERS ARE SIMILAR.

IT MEANS, WE CAN SAVE ABOUT $29,000. BUT WE GOT IN THE BID, IS A DIRT ROAD FROM 215 THE DIRT PARKING LOT. WE HAVE THAT IN THE BASE BID.

TO COME BACK AND HAVE PAUL OR HERBERT DO THAT -- WE KNOW WE WILL GET SOME SAVINGS, THE SECTION WE ARE REDUCING TO WILL BE THE LAND DISTURBANCE REGULATIONS BURBERRY NUMERAL FOUR COLLECTOR OF THE ROAD. WE NO GOOD A SAVINGS OF SOME AMOUNT.

BUT THERE WASN'T A SILVER BULLET IN THE. IT NEEDS TO BE ABOUT THIS AMOUNT FOR $80,000. BASED ON THE CONTRACTS, I WILL TELL YOU THE OTHER SHOE THAT WILL DROP. THIS WILL OPEN TAKE ABOUT, OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND THE

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WE WILL NOW TAKE OVER AND BUILD A ROAD. WE CAN'T.

BUILD ONE TO USE IT ON THE ROAD WHERE HE USED IT TO GO DOWN THERE.

IF HE BUILT IT EARLY, WHO REPAIRS IT. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S WORTH THE SAVINGS TO LOOK AT IT. WE TO HAVE A DIRT ROAD FROM 215-THE PARKING LOT.

JUST LIKE WHERE WE HAVE DRIVEN. ONE OPPOSED TYPE ROADS. THAT IS THE BASE BID.

>> IS THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO USE ALTERNATIVE PRODUCTS THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT FOR DIRT ROADS

>> WE CAN DO IT THROUGH THE CONTRACTOR AND THEN THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE.

THE SAVINGS ARE DEPENDENT UPON GETTING THE CONTRACT IN PLACE. THEN WHAT THEY AGREED TO.

THERE IS NOT A PRICE OUT THERE FOR, WE COULD SAY, ABSOLUTELY YOU WILL SAVE ON THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO SAVE, WE JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. WE DON'T KNOW IF IT IS $150,000 OR 5,000. YOU KNOW WHAT, I CALCULATE 50,000 TRIPS PER YEAR ON THIS ROAD. THE PARKING SPACES ARGUES 360 DAYS PER YEAR.

IT IS GOING TO BE BUSIER THAN THE PARK. WE EXPECT THERE TO BE 1-2 VISITS PER DAY. SO, IT WOULD BE A GREAT TESTING PLACE IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. I DON'T THINK WE GET A GOOD GUARANTEE.

>> THE LAST TIME THE FIRE STATION WAS BUILT WE DID IT WITH THE ROAD.

>> IT IS HARD FOR ME TOO LOOK AT RESIDENCE AND SAY -- >> IS NOT TO SAY TO A DEVELOPER THAT WE DO HAVE STANDARDS IN THAT REGARD. I AGREE WITH YOU ONE 100%.

WHEN WE COLLECTIVELY SIT DOWN FOR A LIST THAT SHOULD BE CLOSE TO THE TOP.

IT MEETS A LOT OF CRITERIA. >> OKAY, THANKS. >> COMMISSIONER,.

>> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, I HOPE THE MOTION WAS WITH EVERYTHING RECOMMENDED BY THE

STAFF. >> THE ONLY DISCUSSION ITEM I WANT IS YOU SUGGESTED WE COULD TAKE THE BASE BID WITHOUT THE ALTERNATES. THERE WILL BE A VARIATION AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IT WILL TAKE TO DO THAT. I WILL THROW AN IDEA WE COULD TAKE THE BASE PERIOD AND SEPARATELY BID THE ALTERNATES. I THINK WE ARE BETTER OFF DOING

OUR OWN BUT THAT WOULD BE A WAY TO SAVE MONEY. >> IF THE MOTION PASSES THE NEGOTIATION BETWEEN'S BETWEEN PURCHASING AND THE LOWEST BIDDER.

TRYING TO GET -- THEN IT COMES BACK TO US. WHAT DO THEY DERIVE FROM THE

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YOU THINK ANOTHER MONTH? >> SPEAKING FOR THE -- I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR THE TEAM BUT WE

WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK IN NOVEMBER. >> MY PENCIL IS SHARP SHE HAS A LOT OF INK IN HER. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? SO, NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR INFORMATION NEEDED. WE DO A PROMOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0. I JUST -- WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO ANSWER PUBLIC COMMENT BUT I JUST THOUGHT, THE WAY IT WAS OFFERED IT SHOULD BE ANSWERED, JUST SO DALE HAS AN ANSWER TO HIS QUESTION IN REGARDS WITH MEETING WITH WALTER. WALTER IS THE HEAD WHICH IS A FIRM THAT DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED THE DESIGN FOR THE GUN RANGE. HE OFFERED, AFTER ONE OF THE MEETINGS IN WHICH MANY QUESTIONS WERE ASKED, WHY THIS WAS BEING USED AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING ELSE. WALTER OFFERED EACH OF THE COMMISSIONERS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OTHERS MET WITH HIM OR NOT. WE DON'T GET TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT I DID MEET WITH HIM AND WE REVIEWED THE PLANS AND WE DISCUSSED THE RATIONALE.

WE ALSO ANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT WERE POSED AT THE MEETING PRIOR ABOUT OUR SAVING MONEY.

A VENDOR CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHAT KIND OF WORK THEY DID AND WHY CERTAIN NUMBERS AND LINE ITEMS WERE WHAT THEY WERE. THAT IS DUE DILIGENCE.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT NEEDED TO BE ANSWERED BECAUSE HE THOUGHT IT WAS A SIGN OF A RED FLAG.

COMMISSIONERS MET WITH HIM WERE DOING THEIR JOB TO GET ITS MANY ANSWERS AS POSSIBLE.

I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD. I FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO GET

[10.  Resolution to Rejoin the Northeast Florida Regional Council and Appoint Three Representatives]

WE DO HAVE A FEW MINUTES. I BELIEVE NUMBER TEN, WE CAN GET IT IN BEFORE TIME CERTAIN SPIRIT

IT WAS TO REJOIN -- BERNIE CAN YOU HANDLE THAT. >> A FEW BOARD MEETINGS AGO THE BOARD VOTED TO JOIN THE BOARD OF REACHING COUNSEL. PREVIOUSLY WHEN THEY HAD WITHDRAWN THEY ENTERED INTO A RESOLUTION. NOW IN ORDER TO REJOIN AND MOVE FORWARD AND BE PART OF THE EXISTING INTERLOCAL ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL BEARS A RESOLUTION FOR YOU TO APPROVE AND ENTER INTO. ADDITIONALLY WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SELECTING THE THRE. TWO OF THE MEMBERS ARE COMMISSIONERS, ALTHOUGH ONE OF THE SPOTS COULD BE DESIGNATED. THE THIRD IS THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE MUNICIPALITY.

>> THAT WOULD BE OUR DETERMINATION TO SEE WHO MAY BE INTERESTED.

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WILL PUT YOU DOWN. >> IF WE RESOLVE THAT MAYBE THERE WOULD BE ANOTHER ISSUE

MORE APPROPRIATE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. >> THANK YOU.

YOU WILL BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE. I DIDN'T READ, AND ONE OF THE RESOLUTIONS THERE WAS A FOURTH

POSITION -- >> THE GOVERNOR'S APPOINTEE. >> WE WILL HAVE FOR PEOPLE ON

THE BOARD. >> I ASSUME THE AGREEMENT IS A STRONG ONE.

THERE WAS A 2003, SO THE COUNCIL BELIEVES THERE IS A 2003 VERSION BUT THEY CAN'T FIND A SIGNED COPY AT THIS TIME. WE ARE JUST WORKING THROUGH THAT.

WHAT THEY SAID THE DIFFERENCES IS JUST THE NAME CHANGE BUT EVERYTHING WITH RESPECT TO

MEMBERS IS STILL THE SAME BETWEEN 2002-2,003. >> IT IS 5:00 P.M. SO LET'S MOVE

TO OUR TIME CERTAIN SPIRIT. >> LET'S VOTE ON APPROVING THE RESOLUTION AND THEN -- CAN WE

GET A MOTION. >> DO YOU WANT TO CONCLUDE MAIMING YOURSELF AND THE

REPRESENTATIVES? >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER HAS

INTRODUCED THE MOTION. THE MOTION CARRIES 4-1. >> ARE YOU OPPOSED TO ME OR

OPPOSED TO JOINING? >> YOU NEVER KNOW. >> IF YOU WANT IT THAT BADLY.

>> WE CAN TAKE ANOTHER VOTE. >> WE MOVED TO 15 WHICH IS A TIME CERTAIN.

[15.  5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Ordinance to Amend the Capital Improvement Plan (R. Kantor/T. Nagle)]

IT IS AN AMENDMENT TO IMPROVE THE CAPITAL PLAN. >> SO TERESA, CAN YOU PULL THE

POWERPOINT. >> THERE'S BEEN A FEW CHANGES. >> THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ITEMS TO MOVE INTO THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN BASED ON COMMENTS AT THE WORKSHOP.

YOU WOULD BE SUBSIDIES THIS WILL GO INTO COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. WE ADDED PINE RIDGE INTO THIS BASED ON DISCUSSIONS OF PINE RIDGE NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION. CAN YOU GO BACK. SO PINE RIDGE IS NOW UP TO $900?

>> IT WAS ORIGINALLY WILL BUOY FIVE, SO WE ARE MOVING THE PART, NOT THE WORK YOU ARE DOING TODAY THE ONE FOR THE FUTURE THAT WOULD FREE UP THE MONEY FOR OTHER PURPOSES.

>> THEN WE BROKE OUT THE REQUEST THESE ARE THE ITEMS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> A COUPLE OF THINGS TO POINT OUT. WE DID RECOMMEND INCREASING THE

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WE HAVE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE DUE TO COID-19.

TO MAKE THAT MORE SOLID AND ON SOLID GROUND WE RECOMMEND MOVING MORE MONEY INTO THE PLAN AND ANY RESERVES, IF YOU LOOK IN THE BACK THERE'S $4 MILLION LEFT OVER THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF SO WE CAN SEE HOW THE HEALTHCARE PLAN CAN COVID-19 BALANCE OUT.

IF YOU LOOK COUNTYWIDE THAT WOULD BE $5.6 MILLION IN SALARY AND $9.2 MILLION IF YOU FACTOR IN THE BENEFITS REQUIRED TO PAY ON TOP OF THAT BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE AN HOURLY WAGE.

IT DOES CONSTITUTE AN HOURLY PAY. OUT.

THERE TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS OR COMMENTS. >> CAN WE GO BACK ONE SLIDE?

>> SURE. >> WHEN WE'RE DONE I WANT TO COPY OF THE PAPER.

I SEE THEM NOW. BUT, ON THIS SLIDE THE $4 MILLION, IF WE APPROVE IT WE WILL PREVENT ALL BBC EMPLOYEES FROM HEALTH INSURANCE RATES FROM INCREASING.

>> WE ANTICIPATE THE $2 MILLION IN THE BUDGET THAT IS WHY WE DID NOT INCREASE PREMIUMS THIS YEAR.

I WON'T GUARANTEE WE WON'T HAVE INCREASE NEXT YEAR, WE DON'T KNOW.

BUT THIS WILL HELP OFFSET AND MAKE THE FUND STABLE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE WILL HOLD.

WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE AND IF YOU WANT MORE SPECIFICS ON HEALTHCARE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN CLAIMS AND A LOT OF IT IS RELATED TO TRAIN A.

YOU FIGURE SOMEONE GOES TO THE HOSPITAL AND THEY ARE THEREFORE 30 DAYS.

THE MORE WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS WE CAN PROTECT HEALTHCARE UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN, THE OPINION OF STAFF IS -- WERE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AUDITOR TO REVIEW AND

SEE WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE IT IS A BIG NUMBER. >> CHAIRMAN, WHO YOU TAKE A

BOAT. >> WILL GOAD THE ITEMS AND THEN BACKTRACK.

IF THAT'S OKAY WITH EVERYONE SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE ARE WORKING WITH.

>> THE REVENUES ARE PART OF THE WORKSHOP. THE SAME INFORMATION PRESENTED AND BREAKING OUT THE REQUIREMENTS FOR GAS TAX AND SALES TAX.

I WON'T READ THROUGH THAT AGAIN. YOU SAW THESE SLIDES AT THE LAST WORKSHOP.

SPLIT THE TIMING OUT. >> AND LEAVE THE LIGHT BOXES. >> HERE WE DID MAKE SOME

CHANGES. >> NEXT LINE. PUBLIC SAFETY THERE WERE NO CHANGES MADE. WE DID AT THIS TO THE ACTION SIDEWALK THAT WAS DISCUSSED.

THAT WAS THE ONLY CHANGES MADE. WE TALKED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE STUDIES UNTIL WE

GET TO THE OVERALL STUDY BEING DONE COUNTYWIDE. >> THE SIDEWALK, I THOUGHT IT

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WAS -- >> IT SAID 110. IT IS A SHORT SPAN.

>> DIDN'T WE HAVE TO PUT IT OVER THE TOP? >> THIS SHOW THE ITEMS NOT INCLUDED. WE DID INCLUDE THE PICKLE BALL COURT BUT WE DID NOT MOVE ANYTHING ELSE INTO THE PLAN. AND DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD?

>> THIS WAS REMOVED FROM THE 305 REVENUE. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THIS IS IN

THEIR. >> DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

AT THIS POINT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HOPEFULLY I CAN ANSWER THEM.

>> IT LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE WINDING UP FOR A QUESTION. >> WE PUT THIS AS A PLACEHOLDER UNTIL THE PARK PLAN COMES BACK. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PLAN COME BACK TO MAKE SURE WE PUT IT INTO THE RIGHT LOCATION. IF YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES, GOING BACK TO WE DID

SOME IN THIS YEARS CIP. >> GREAT. >> THERE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOME COURTS IN KEYSTONE I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE ARE ADDRESSED IN THE PARKLAND.

>> I THINK JUSTIN CAN ANSWER THAT FOR YOU. >> WITHOUT FINDING WE HAVE TO PICKLE BALL COURTS. ONE IN KEYSTONE ONE SOUTH OF THE ORANGE PARK AREA THAT WE AREN'T

LOOKING AT. >> NOT THE RESURFACING? >> NO THE RESURFACING WILL LEAD TO CRACKS AND THE SAME CONDITIONS WE WILL BUILD FROM THE GROUND UP.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? FOR RIDGE OR TROY? >> SO DO WE HAVE TO DO A MOTION

FOR EACH OR CAN WE DO THEM ALL AT THE SAME TIME. >> SO FOR THE ORDINANCE DO WE HAVE TO HAVE WE DON'T UP-TEMPO PUBLIC HEARING WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE THE TIME CERTAIN.

I THINK -- >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. LET'S OPEN PUBLIC HEARING ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON CIP OR WHAT HE TRANSFERRED. I SEE NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR A

MOTION. >> I WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. WE DO HAVE THE MOTION AND A

SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME AND IT SPEAKS TO THE EFFORTS WE ARE GOING THROUGH. I KNOW WE ARE HAVING OUR WORKSHOPS NEXT WEEK BUT I THINK THESE PROJECTS, PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTHS ARE.

IT SETS WHERE WE WANT TO GO AS A COMMISSION. I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER PLACES WE

HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND BUT I THINK WE HAVE GOOD START. >> I AGREE.

>> WITH THE IF EVERYONE AGREES. >> ALL RIGHT HEARING OTHER COMMENTS IT CARRIES 5-0.

[16.  5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - North Street Right of Way Vacation]

[01:10:14]

WE SELF-DEVELOPMENT? >> BUSINESSES SOUTH AND EAST OF THE PROGRAM.

IT GOES THEN IN 200 FEET, IT IS SHOWING NINE LOTS BUT THEY ARE OWNED BY FOUR SEPARATE OWNERS.

TWO OF THEM ARE FAMILY MEMBERS, THEY ARE ON LOTS ON THE EAST AND WATER SIDE OF THE STREET.

THE OTHER TWO ARE FOR SALE AND THEY ARE VACANT. I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, AND THEY ARE SEPARATE OWNERS. I THINK THE PETITIONER IS HERE THAT ISSUE IS THE TURNAROUND.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE PROPER TURNAROUND. YOU TURN AROUND WHEN SOMEONE GETS THERE. IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE ADDED SIGNAGE TO THIS COURAGE ANYONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE BUSINESS THERE THERE'S NO TURNAROUND WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT, IF WE

TELL GET THERE WE HAVE PROPER SIGNAGE. >> CAN YOU BRING UP THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THIS ICA ROAD WITH A RED LINE THROUGH IT. YOU HAVE THIS SLIDE? IT IS ON THESE NUMBERS. THE CLOSURE IS FOR 245 FEET. THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE IN

YOUR PACKET FROM 1949 THAT SHOWS HOW IT WAS ORIGINALLY. >> I'M JUST CONFUSED ABOUT -- I

DON'T HAVE A COLOR AFTER THE REDLINE. >> AND IT ALSO COINCIDES WITH WHAT IS LISTED ON THE OLD PLAT AND THE NEW SURVEY AS THE LOTS BETWEEN THESE.

IF YOU EXTENDED THIS OVER THAT PORTION OF THE STREET WOULD BE CLOSED.

>> REGARDING THE TURNAROUND THERE WASN'T ONE TO BEGIN WITH AS THE ROAD SITS TODAY.

>> THAT IS THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE. THIS WILL CAUSE A TURNAROUND ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SHEET, THE COMMISSIONER WERE NOT TURN -- CAUSING A TURNAROUND ON SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY. THEY DIDN'T CHOOSE TO HAVE THIS

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ON THEIR PROPERTY TO BEGIN WITH. >> WE PUT THOSE IN. IT'S NOT ALLOWED NOW BUT.

>> WOULDN'T THE SAME THING HAPPEN IF YOU PUT UP ME DEAD &? >> I THINK THE ISSUE IS PEOPLE ARE GOING DOWN SO THEY HAVE MORE ACCESS TO ILLEGALLY GET ON THE CREEK.

IF WE COULD BRING IT BACK FORWARD TO THE WEST A LITTLE MORE WE CAN STOP THAT ILLEGAL

TRESPASSING. >> YES. ARE THEY ABLE TO SPEAK?

>> I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL EVERYONE ASKED QUESTIONS. COME ON.

CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF? >> I'M ROBERT AND THIS IS MY DAD.

WE ARE THE ONES WHO OWN THE PROPERTY. I AM ACTUALLY LOT 10-9.

HE OWNS EIGHT, SEVEN AND SIX. WE JUST WANT TO PUT UP A GATE KEEP COMING DOWN AND TURNING AROUND IN THE YARD AND SOME REFUSED TO LEAVE AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

>> WE HAVE A SIGN THAT SAYS PRIVATE PROPERTY BUT THERE'S NO GAIT.

THEY POINT AT THE TOP OF THE HILL. >> I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE SUBMISSIONS, WHEN YOU 0 IN IT APPEARS LIKE NINE-8-7 OR EVEN TEN, ALL HAVE WATER ACCESS. WHAT IT APPEARS, THAT PEOPLE WILL GO TO YOUR PROPERTY AND TRESPASS TO GET TO THE WATER NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS FROM HAPPENING.

>> THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE IF WE IF WE COULD PUT AGAIN OF WHAT YOU CAN'T DO, THEY CAN SEE IT FROM MAIN STREET BEFORE THEY GO DOWN THERE AND DIDN'T REALIZE IT IS A DEAD END AND IT'S RIGHT THERE. THEY HAVE COME ON THE PROPERTY -- MY WIFE WOULD SAY THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEY WOULD IGNORE HER AND SAY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING WHICH IS

GOING TO GO FISHING. >> >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.

I'M TOO OLD TO FIGHT THE PEOPLE ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES I HAVE TO FEEL LIKE THAT.

>> PEOPLE JUST DON'T CARE. MAYBE THEY DRINK OR WHATEVER. >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE COUNTY AS A VOLUNTEER HOME BY OUT. THEY DO.

[01:20:08]

THEY CAN BUY OUT YOUR HOME. >> I BUILT THE HOUSE IN 1974. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 50 YEARS AND

I DON'T WANT TO MOVE. >> THE SECOND QUESTION, HOW DO THEY ACCESS THE PROPERTY.

THE ONLY ONES THAT DO ACCESS IT, IS GERMANE AND NORTH STREET. >> THAT IS WHY YOU SAID THEY CAN SEE IT IF YOU PUT A GATE THERE. THERE'S ONLY ONE LOCK INTO THE STREET.

>> RIGHT NOW, ON LOT 12,. >> THE COUNTY IS TO MAINTAIN THAT ROAD.

I REMEMBER MORE THAN HALF OF MY LIFE, EVER SINCE YOU PAVED MAIN STREET IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE

COUNTY CAME DOWN AND CLEANED IT UP A LITTLE BIT. >> THERE ARE SOME CAVEATS WE NEED TO DISCUSS. WHEN WE VACATE THE RIGHT OF WAYS IT DOES NOT GO TO A MAGIC POT IT'S A WAY TO GET PUBLIC WATER DOWN TO THE RIVER. WE WILL ASK FOR A TRAIN EASEMENT. MIKE TODD HAS BEEN AROUND HERE LONG TIME THEY TO GO ON AND ON CALL BASIS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THIS ROAD.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE WANT ANYMORE.

LIKE I SAID THERE WERE TWO FOR SALE SIGNS. THEY APPEAR TO BE LOTS 11 AND AT THE CORNER. WE WILL NEGOTIATE THE TRAIN EASEMENT I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE NUMBER 16. NOW WERE GOING THE WRONG WAY. WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER WE ARE

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I WASN'T IN FAVOR OF THE OTHER& ONE AS WELL. >> I THINK WE HAVE TO PROTECT

PRIVATE PROPERTY. >> THE GUY OUT THERE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROTECT PERSONAL

PROPERTY RIGHTS. >> THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE THEY LIVE ON WATER. IF PEOPLE COME DOWN MY DRIVEWAY I LIVE ON A PRIVATE LAKE AND THERE'S NO PUBLIC ACCESS. IF SOMEONE COMES DOWN YOUR DRIVEWAY.

>> DO YOU WANT PUBLIC ROADS OR PRIVATE ROADS? IF YOU TRESPASS ON MY PROPERTY I WILL CALL THE POLICE THAT IS THE WAY WILL HAPPEN. I'M SORRY, THE PUBLIC MAY NOT HONOR YOUR REQUEST BUT I CAN'T FIX IT BUT WE CAN VIOLATE THEM. WE HAVE TO USE PROCESSES THAT

ARE IN PLACE. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE STATE AYE.

[17.  5:00 pm or as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of CPA 21-12. Application has been Withdrawn by the Applicant TEAMeffort, Inc. (Lake Larc)(M. Brown, Zoning Chief)]

>> THE APPLICANT HAS WITHDRAWN THE APPLICATION SO NO ACTION IS NEEDED.

>> WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING? THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, THAT APPLICATION BUT THE TEAM FOR THIS HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. IF YOU WERE HERE TO SPEAK ON

THAT IT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. >> WITHDRAWN OR DELAYED? >> THE APPLICANT WITHDREW IT

OFFICIALLY. >> NUMBER 18 PUBLIC HEARING FOR A RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE

[18.  5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing for consideration of a Resolution designating the real property located at 1914 Bryce Landing Way, Middleburg, Florida, Parcel ID Number 05-05-25-009018-000-00, as a Brownfield Area pursuant to Section 376.80(2)(c), Florida Statutes]

NOVEMBER 9, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES BUT WE STILL NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

'S OR ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT AT 1914 BRYCE LANDING WAY IN MIDDLEBURG.

I SEE NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND WE WILL CONTINUE THAT ON NOVEMBER 9, 2021.

[19.  5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider LDC 2021-06 a text amendment to the Land Development Code to increase the acreage threshold for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment per Florida Statute. Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve. (D. Selig)]

>> NUMBER 19. WITH A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LDC2021 -- SIX A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT TOLD TO INCREASE THE ACREAGE THRESHOLD FOR A SMALL-SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT HER FLORIDA STATUTE. THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP TO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT IS REACTION TO THE LEGISLATION THIS PAST SUMMER.

THE STATE CHANGE THE SIZE OF WHAT IS CONSIDERED SMALL-SCALE. WITH THIS, THIS WILL BE IN THE

LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> WHICH IS FOLLOWING IN LINE WITH THE OTHER GUIDELINES.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> WHAT ARE THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATIONS TO THIS, WHY WOULD

SOMEONE WANT TO DO THIS? >> WHY WOULD ONE OF OUR PROSPECTIVE CLIENTS WANT TO

CHANGE THE WAY BUSINESS IS DONE? >> IT WAS DONE BY THE LEGISLATURE THEY CHANGE THE

REQUIREMENT. >> WHAT ADVANTAGE WOULD THEY HAVE BY DOING THIS?

>> SO AN APPLICATION, BUT DOES NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE LARGER SCALE PROJECTS IS FASTER.

YOU ONLY SEE IT ONCE WE DO NOT SEND IT BACK AND DEAL WITH QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS THAT THEY HAVE. THEY GET A COPY AT THE END WITH A SMALL SCALE.

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>> HOW MUCH MASTER? >> SIX WEEKS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON LDC2021- ZERO SIX.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

[20.  5:00 Time Certain or as soon thereafter as can be heard. First Public Hearing to consider transmittal of an amendment to Figure 1 of the Transportation Element (Planning Commission voted 6-0 to approve) (E. Lehman)]

THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE TRANSMITTAL FOR THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT.

>> I WILL SUB FOR ED TODAY. >> I WILL START WITH A JOKE THEN.

>> THE REASON ED IS BRINGING THIS FORWARD IS DUE TO THE COUNTY ADOPTING THE MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE IN OCTOBER 2020. THE MOBILITY THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR CREDITS IN CONNECTION WITH IMPROVEMENT AND THEY MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN.

PART OF THE COMP PLAN YOU HAVE THE 2040 TRAFFIC CIRCULATION MAP AND IT PROVIDES FOR CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS. THE MOBILITY FEE IMPROVEMENT INCLUDED IN OUR ORDINANCE, PARTICULAR ON FIGURE TEN NEED TO BE THINGS WITH AND PART OF THE 2040 TRAFFIC CIRCULATION MAP.

HE HAS IDENTIFIED THE PARTICULAR POLICY RIGHT THERE WHICH SHALL INCLUDE THE FUTURE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION MAP AND THE ROADWAYS THAT WILL HAVE ADEQUATE CIRCULATION.

PEAK THE MAP CHANGE IS PROPOSING IT COORDINATES THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION MAP WITH THE MOBILITY PLAN. THE PARTICULAR IMPROVEMENTS NOT ON THE MAP THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED ARE THE THREE LISTED ON STATE ROAD 100 AND STATE ROAD 100 AND THEN COUNTY ROAD 3152 STATE ROAD 60. I BELIEVE HE HAS THE CURRENT MAP ,.

>> THOSE CHANGES WILL NOT OCCUR UNTIL 2040 -- >> THAT IS JUST THE DATE WHEN THE PLAN WAS LAST DONE. I AM NOT SURE WHEN THEY WILL UPDATE AGAIN BUT IT WILL BE IN

QUITE A FEW YEARS. A LOT OF YEARS. >> THAT JUST PUTS ROSE ON THE.

>> HOW OLD WILL I BE WHEN THEY TRY TO DO THAT IN 2040. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR COURTNEY ON THAT? WE DO NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE INTERESTED IN COMMENTING ON THE MOBILITY FEE AND TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT. SCENE NINE WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A MOTION.

TANGIBLE FOR APPROVAL FOR ADDITION TO THE MOBILITY PLAN. >> SECOND.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION? TO HAVE A SECOND?

[21.  5:00 pm or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider PUD 21-04. Application to Rezone 0.65 acres from PUD to PUD. (Comm. Cella, District 1) Planning Commission Voted 6-0 for Approval. (M.Brown)]

THIS IS THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUD 21 -- ZERO FOUR. >> THIS IS AN APPLICATION BY (

[01:35:16]

THIS IS AN APPLICATION TO AMEND THE FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION DRI PUD TO ELIMINATE THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT SIGNS AND LANDSCAPING IN SUPPORT OF MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON THE PARCEL. THERE'S A BRIEF HISTORY AND BACKGROUND ON IT.

NEW GRACE CHURCH OWNS A LITTLE OVER 29 ACRES. THE NORTHERN 100 FEET OF THE PROPERTY, IS NORTH OF THE ROAD AND ZONED DIFFERENTLY. IN 2016, PARCEL 37, DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE BRACE CHURCH PROPERTY WAS APPROVED FOR FAMILY DEVELOPMENT.

AT THAT SAME TIME THERE WAS COMPANION REZONING WHICH AMENDED THE GRACE CHURCH, WHICH IS IN THE FLEMING ISLAND DRI TO ALLOW FOR THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT SIGNAGE AND THE INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPING TO CREATE ROOM FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. IN 2019, THE SITE PLAN CAME IN, AND THE AREA AND SPACE ON THAT AREA TO SUPPORT THE REQUIRED LANDSCAPING AND SIGNAGE THAT THEY DESIRED. THEREBY REDUCING THE NEED TO DO IT ON THE CHURCH PROPERTY.

THEY CAME IN AND ASKED FOR AN AMENDMENT TO GO BACK TO THE WAY IT WAS.

IT WAS DONE ON THE MULTI FAMILY PROPERTY. THIS WILL STRIKE THE LANGUAGE WHICH ALLOWS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OR SIGNAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIGNAGE AND THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON THAT PROPERTY TO SUPPORT THE MULTI FAMILY PROPERTY.

STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND THE CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE PUD.

THEY HAVE DETERMINED THE CHANGES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PUD AND THE DRI AND THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL IMPACT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS CHANGE.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> WILL THIS HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THE REDESIGN OF RADAR PROBE? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. ARE FAILED TO MENTION THE AGENT IS HERE FOR YOU IF YOU HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?

>> LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE CHANGE. SUSAN.

>> SUSAN FRASER CONSULTING 3517 PARK STREET IN JACKSONVILLE. THERE SHOULD BE A MAP THAT GOES WITH THE STAFF REPORT. SO, AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

>> THIS IS TO TAKE A WAY A RIGHT THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2016. FROM 2016-THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTIES CAME IN NORTH OF GRACE CHURCH THERE WAS A DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO BUY AND WHEN THEY DID THEIR SITE PLAN THEY FOUND THEY DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT A BUFFER.

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THE AGREEMENT WAS MADE WITH THE CHURCH TO ALLOW THAT DEVELOPER TO PUT IN LANDSCAPING AND AGREED TO MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL. THE LIMITS ON THE PLANT, IS WHAT THE ROAD LOOKS LIKE TODAY.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PLAN, HE DID NOT MAKE IT THERE AND WHEN WE CAME IN TO HAVE THIS APPROVED, IF YOU NOTICE ALL OF THE LANDSCAPING IS ON THE DEVELOPMENT PARCEL.

YOU SEE RADAR ROAD AT THE BOTTOM. THAT JUST MEANS THE LANDSCAPING IS JUST ON THEIR PROPERTY INSTEAD OF GRACE CHURCH PROPERTY.

SO BY DELETING THIS IT WAS NOT AN OBLIGATION BUT OF RIGHT. BY DOING THAT THE LANDSCAPING IS PROVIDED YOU CAN DESIGNED THE ROAD AND THERE'S NO SIGNAGE TO HAVE TO CONSIDER.

SO, THIS IS JUST CHANGE THAT WAS APPROPRIATE AT THE TIME. >> WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? I SEE NONE, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL GO BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A

DISCUSSION. MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> I SECOND PERIOD ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0.

FUTURE. >> THIS IS A FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT.

>> I WILL GO DOWNSTAIRS AND GET ANOTHER COPY AND SEE IF WE HAVE ANOTHER COPY.

>> 22 DOES NOT DEPEND ON 23 CORRECT? >> 22 AND 23 ARE SEPARATE.

[23.  5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of CPA 2021-10 to change 2,421.1 acres from Planned Community to Lake Asbury Master Planned Community, Lake Asbury Village Center, Lake Asbury Greenway, Rural Fringe, Commercial and Mixed Use. This amendment also includes proposed text amendments to the 2040 Comprehensive Plan. (Comm Burke, District 5) Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve with changes. (B. Carson)]

I WILL OFFER STAFF COMMENTS AFTERWARDS. >> THAT IS FINE WITH ME, DOES

ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? WELCOME BACK. >> HELLO I LIVE IN JACKSONVILLE.

THIS APPLICATION IS TO AMEND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE COUNTY FOR WHAT IS KNOWN AS SARATOGA SPRINGS DRI. IT WAS ADOPTED AND THAT DRI WAS ADOPTED IN 2006.

AT THAT TIME, THIS IS A SITE PLAN THAT REPRESENTS FUTURE LAND USED TO THE PROPERTY TODAY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAP THERE IS A COLOR THAT IS CALLED PLANT COMMUNITY BUT WHEN YOU LIFT THE COLOR IT IS THE MASTER PLAN MAP FOR THE DRI. CURRENTLY THIS PROPERTY RUNS THROUGH THE EASTERLY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. THERE IS A ROAD THAT CONNECTS 17 TO THE EXPRESSWAY. THERE IS A PARCEL FOR SCHOOL SITES.

THERE ARE TWO COMMERCIAL AREAS AND RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THIS WAS APPROVED IN 2006.

AT THAT TIME, THEY WERE A DEVELOPMENT PARTNER WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS.

THE COUNTY ADOPTED THE MASTER PLAN IN 2006 AND 75% IS IN THE MASTER PLAN AND 25% ON PETERS CREEK. THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE LAND USE AND THE

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INTO A 20 THEY CONNECTED THE ROLLED UP BOMB. THEY ARE SLATED TO OPEN IN LATE 2024. ALL OF THESE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN THE 15 YEARS THAT HAVE PASSED SINCE THIS WAS FIRST ADOPTED. NO DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES OCCURRED TO DATE AND THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE ARE HERE TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER CHANGING THE ENTITLEMENTS. A COMPANION THIS IS AN ABANDONMENT OF THE DRI.

IT WAS APPROVED UNDER THE STATUTORY PROCESS. IN 2011 THE STATE OF FLORIDA SAID WE DON'T NEED THAT PROCESS ANYMORE. IF YOU WERE A SMALL LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHEN THE PROCESS WAS APPROVED, THE STATE ENACTED THE PROCESS TO HELP SMALL GOVERNMENT AN ACTIVE PROCESS. SO IF THEY CAME TO CLAY COUNTY AND THEY DID, THE COUNTY DID NOT HAVE THE STAFF TO NEGOTIATE THE DEVELOPERS FOR ROAD AND PARK IMPROVEMENTS.

THERE WAS A WHOLE REGIONAL PROCESS WHERE A BIG DEVELOPER CAME IN AND SAID I WANT TO DO THE DEVELOPMENT AND THE STATES THAT LET US HELP YOU GET IT RIGHT.

IN 2011 THE LEGISLATURE LOOKED AROUND AND SAID THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS NOW HAVE GOOD STAFF AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, YOU DO NOT NEED US THIS REGIONAL PROCESS. SO THAT WAS REPEALED AT A STATEWIDE LEVEL IN 2011.

YOU CAN NO LONGER APPLY FOR IT. BUT THE OLD ONES WERE APPROVED BEFORE 2011 AND ARE STILL IN PLACE AND ALL OF THOSE RULES APPLY. ALL OF THOSE RULES ARE CUMBERSOME FOR THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THERE'S A LOT OF REVIEW PROCESS.

IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE EXTRANEOUS. PART OF THE APPLICATION THAT YOU ARE NOT CONSIDERING NOW BUT IN DECEMBER IS TO ABANDON THE DRI. IT IS TO SAY WE WILL REPLACE THOSE RULES IN THE DRA -- DRI WITH RULES THAT WILL SHOW YOU THEY ARE ALL BUT THE SAME.

WE CAN GO FROM THE SAME OR BETTER. JUST TO GIVE YOU A FEEL, THEY INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, VARIOUS COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

THERE'S A 250 BED HOSPITAL APPROVED. A GOLF COURSE.

PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT APP TO BEGIN BY 2034. UNDER THE PARTICULAR DRI ENTITLEMENT, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT HAS TO PAY SCHOOL IMPACT FEES AND I WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT HOW THEY PAY FOR TRANSPORTATION. IF YOU WERE HERE DURING DRI DAYS THEY WERE ABOUT TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS. ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT WAS COMING AND THE CARS HAD TO GO SOMEWHERE. THE STATE AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT LOOKED AT HOW DO IDENTIFY WHAT ROADS NEED TO BE BUILT TO ACCOMMODATE THE DEVELOPMENT. THE CURRENT APPLICATIONS IN THE DRI REQUIRES THE PROJECT TO BUILD SOME ROADS. THE ROADS THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BUILD ARE THE CONNECTORS.

THERE IS A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND IT SAYS WHEN YOU TAKE THAT TRAFFIC GENERATED YOU SQUISH THIS DOWN TO A DOLLAR AMOUNT AND YOU HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING THE DEAL SAYS YOU HAVE TO BUILD $44 MILLION& WORTH OF ROADS. AND THAT DOT BUILT SOME ROADS AND OBLIGATION.

WE ARE CURRENTLY OBLIGATED TO DONATE 77 ACRES OF PUBLIC SCHOOL.

CONTRIBUTE TO A TWO-ACRE FIRE STATION AND A PUBLIC COMMUNITY PARK.

THE NEXT MAP SHOWS YOU WHERE SARATOGA BRINGS WANTS TO GO. THERE WERE A LOT OF COWS.

IN 15 YEARS WE HAVE SEEN LAKE ASBURY COME INTO ITS OWN. THIS IS THE NEXT WAVE OF DEVELOPMENT. WHAT YOU SEE TO THE NORTH ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED AND UNDERWAY IN THE PROJECT TO THE EAST, THESE ARE BOTH UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR ALMOST COMPLETE.

THIS PROJECT IS THE NEXT WAVE OF DEVELOPMENT. IN 206 IT WAS EARLY IN THE GAME&

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THESE ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS THE COUNTIES MAKING THAT SHOW YOU HOW THIS WILL COME TOGETHER.

THE RED DOT IMPROVEMENTS ARE PART OF ROADS THAT WILL BE BUILT BY DEVELOPERS PART OF YOUR NETWORK. THE EXTENSION IS BEING BUILT UNDER DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THIS IS BEING BUILT UNDER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AS WELL. THE ROADS ARE PLANNED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CONTEMPLATED IN THIS PROJECT. WHAT WE WANT YOU TO CONSIDER TONIGHT, WILL ACTUALLY INTRODUCE THE LAND USES ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.

THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY ON THE WEBSITE IS THE LAKE ASBERRY MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY.

YOURS A VILLAGE CENTER RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. THIS IS ON APF ROAD TO BE CONSTRUCTED UNDER THE MASTER PLAN. STARS IN THE SINGLE STAR ARE SCHOOLS THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT.

WE WERE THERE TWO WEEKS AGO AT A BOARD MEETING THEY APPROVED A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT PROVIDES THE CONVEYANCE OF THIS FOR HIGH SCHOOL THAT WILL SERVE CHILDREN IN THIS AREA FROM KINDERGARTEN THROUGH THE END OF HIGH SCHOOL. THAT PLAN IS IN PLACE AND THAT WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR VERIFICATION FOR THE SITES BE PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS. WITH THIS THEY PROPOSED, I'M SORRY CAN YOU BACK IT UP.

THIS IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF PETERS CREEK. THREE UNITS PER ACRE.

COMMERCIAL AND 90 ACRES FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. WE WILL GO INTO WHAT THAT IS IN

JUST A MINUTE. >> THE ENTITLEMENTS UNDER THE PLAN PROPOSED INCLUDE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. A VILLAGE CENTER. 77 ACRES FOR SCHOOLS.

THE GREENWAY WE ARE PROPOSING THIS IS THE SAME BOUNDARY AND PROPOSAL.

EAST OF THERE, 9 ACRES OF MIXED USE. THESE ARE ALIGNED NEAR THE CONNECTOR. THE WETLANDS ASSOCIATED WITH PETERS CREEK.

AND THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY PARK. WHEN WE ARE SAID AND DONE, BY CHANGING THE DRI, WHAT YOU DO FOR LAND USES THIS ACREAGE TIMES DENSITY. WE CAN POTENTIALLY BUILD ALL OF THIS BUT IT ISN'T A SITE PLAN. THIS IS THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. SO WHEN YOU TAKE THE ACRES TIME DENSITY. THERE YOU HAVE IT. WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO THE EXISTING ENTITLEMENTS IT IS GREATER THAN WHAT WE HAVE. WE ALMOST HAVE 5900, SO JUST UNDER 400 UNITS MORE. AND THERE IS AN INCREASE IN COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE.

I WILL SAY THIS IS ACREAGE TIMES DENSITY AND INTENSITY. THE INTENSITY FOR MIXED USE IS .7 PARAGRAPH TWO TAKE THE NUMBER OF ACRES TIME THE RATIO OF POINT FOR SETTLEMENT WHICH IS A FOUR STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING. WE WOULD BE EXCITED TO SEE THIS, BUT WE DON'T EXPECT TO SEE THAT LEVEL OF NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT DOES REPRESENT AN INCREASE

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HERE IS THE MAP. WE WILL HAVE THE SAME LAND USE CATEGORY, WE ARE SURROUNDED BY MASTER COMMUNITIES. WE ARE SURROUNDED BY FRIENDS TO THE SOUTH.

THAT IS WHAT THAT PROPERTY IS WHITE. >> WHEN YOU DO A LAND USE CHANGE, THE STATE REQUIRES YOU LOOK AT INCREASES AND IMPACTS TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE NUMBERS I TOLD YOU IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE LEFT TO SHOW THERE IS ADEQUATE CAPACITY IN THE SERVICES. THE APPLICATION DOES ALL OF THAT WE MET WITH THE UTILITY AUTHORITY AND THEY BOUGHT A 5-ACRE SITE LAST YEAR TO BUILD A WATER TREATMENT FACILITY.

SO WHEN WE LEFT WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE HAVE HAD A MEETING WITH THE STAFF, AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THEM ON WHERE THE SITES WOULD BE BEST LOCATED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY.

THESE WOULD BE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WOULD MAKE COMMITMENTS WITH LOCATION AND SITES BASED ON WHAT YOUR STAFF DID. WE ALSO HAD THE MIXED USE LAND DESIGNATION. MIXED USE LAND USE IS IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TODAY.

>> WE WANT TO INCREASE THIS FROM 16 TO 20. THAT MEANS WE WE CAN HAVE APARTMENTS, SINGLE FAMILIES AND TOWNHOUSES. WE CAN HAVE IT UP TO THE BASE DENSITY. WE ARE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER 20.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS. IN THE MIXED-USE CATEGORY, THEY INCLUDED THE CRITERIA FOR THE MIXED-USE AND THE STAFF REPORT. YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THE CATEGORY.

IT IS INTENDED TO BE HIGH INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN SMALL AREAS.

THEY HAVE TO BE LOCATED ON AN ARTERIAL ROADWAY. THESE ARE NOT LARGE EXPANSES OF DEVELOPMENT. THERE ARE ONLY FOUR DESIGNATIONS ONE IS THE BLACK CREEK PROPERTY

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THIS HAD A FIVE-STORY APARTMENT BUILDING ON IT. THAT PLAN WAS APPROVED.

MOST OF THESE CATEGORIES, THIS ALLOWS OTHERS TO DO THE LAND USE WITH THESE CONDITIONS.

WERE NOT CHANGING NOT ONLY WHAT WE ARE ASKING FOR BUT WE ARE ASKING FROM THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY SAID THEY WOULD RECOMMEND WE BRING THE BASE DENSITY UP TO TRACK 20 AND GIVE US A BONUS DENSITY OF 24.

THIS IS PROVIDED ONLY IF WE PROVIDE WORKFORCE, ELDERLY AND HOUSING UNITS.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF REPORT, THERE IS A TABLE. THIS WAS ADOPTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TODAY. THIS IS WHAT YOU SEE PRESENTED TO YOU.

THE BASE DENSITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN 16. WE ARE INCREASING THAT TO 20.

THE LOW AND MODERATE CATEGORY TO THE FAR RIGHT OF THE CABLE GOES TO 24.

IN THE DRI TODAY WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT IS WHAT PROMPTED THIS DISCUSSION. HOW DO YOU PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHOUT OPPORTUNITY FOR DANCING. THIS CATEGORY GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE MULTI- FAMILY PROJECTS IN THESE AREAS. THIS CAN MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COUNTY FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING.

WE CLEARLY HAVE THE DEFICIENCY IN THAT CATEGORY. IF YOU WOULD APPROVE THIS CHANGE, THE CATEGORY WOULD ACTUALLY SEE A LANGUAGE CHANGE. THAT WOULD ACCOMPANY DISAPPROVAL OF WE WOULD IMPLEMENT ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ELDERLY HOUSING OR HANDICAP HOUSING UNDER A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT MEAN AN APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO COME AND SAY I WANT THAT LITTLE MORE AND FOR THE EXTRA UNITS I WILL MONITOR INCOME AND THERE WOULD BE A MECHANISM IN THE AGREEMENT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO HOTLINK ITS MONITOR AND WHAT YOU ARE SEEKING TO PROVIDE IS ACTUALLY PROVIDED. IT'S NOT JUST LIP SERVICE YOU WILL SEE BENEFIT FROM THE ADDITIONAL DENSITY. IN CONCLUSION WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE CHANGES BETWEEN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND WHAT WE ARE SEEKING FOR YOU TO APPROVE THIS EVENING.

RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY, ACTIVE ADULT AND MODERN INCOME REQUIREMENTS.

5900 ROLLING UNITS TODAY. WERE LOOKING AT 6276 UNDER THE PLAN PROPOSED THAT IS BEFORE YOU. 383 ADDITIONAL UNITS. WITH A MODERATE INCOME BONUS THEY ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WOULD ADD ANOTHER 216 UNITS FILLED BUT TOTAL DIFFERENCE IS 599.

ON THE NONRESIDENTIAL SIDE, THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT ORDER ALLOWS 1.2 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL OFFICE IN HOSPITAL USE THIS WOULD ALLOW 641,000 SQUARE FEET MORE.

WE BELIEVE IF THIS SHOWS UP THAT WOULD BE A WELCOME ADDITION TO THE COUNTY.

WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT IT DOES BUT THIS IS A MAXIMUM THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE CATEGORY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THE CONDITIONS IT IS A 40 PAGE ORDER THAT SAYS YOU WILL DO A LOT OF GOOD THINGS. WHEN WE TOOK THAT AWAY, IF WE ABANDONED THAT AND PUT IT IN ITS PLACE WE LOOK TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY DIFFERENCE. ANY MEASURABLE DIFFERENCE UNDER WHAT WE HAD TO DO AND WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO. YOU DON'T NEED A DRI TO DO GOOD

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THE MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN RETAINED. THE FLOODPLAIN REGULATIONS WILL APPLY TO THIS PROJECT UNDER THE REQUESTED CHANGE. AND AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT IS REQUIRED IN THE DRI AND UNDER THE PROPOSED CHANGE. THE COUNTY WILL BUILD WILDLIFE UNDERPASSES AT THE CONNECTOR BECAUSE THEY ARE REQUIRED OF US AND NOW BY THE NATIONAL PLAN FOR ALL ROADS BACK ACROSS. TAKE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR CENTRAL WATER AND SEWAGE IS THE SAME. WHEN THIS WAS ADOPTED IN 2005 THERE WAS NO USE FOR IRRIGATION AND IT WAS ENCOURAGED TO BE PROVIDED. IT IS AVAILABLE AND WILL BE REQUIRED FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY.

STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME AND WHAT WAS APPROVED IN 2005.

THE DEVELOPMENTAL REQUIREMENT, WE WON'T BUILD THE FIRST CONNECTOR.

WE WON'T BUILD THE EXTENSION OVER THE 218 BUT WE WILL GENERATE MONEY IN MOBILITY FEES WHEN YOU TAKE THE CURRENT FEED TODAY. IF WE BUILT THE ROADS WE WOULD'VE GOTTEN MOBILITY FEE CREDITS. NOW YOU WILL BUILD THE ROADS AND WE WILL PAY YOU BACK WITH THOSE FEES. UNDER THE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, IF YOU REMEMBER WHERE THE STARS WERE, THEY WERE NORTH OF THE CONNECTOR.

OUR COMMITMENT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ACCESS AND ELECTRIC AND WATER AND MORE TO THE SCHOOL SITES. THEY ARE SLATED BY THE POOL BOARD TO OPEN IN 2027.

SO IF YOU KNOW THIS IS ON 315 THAT IS THE NEXT ONE TO OPEN. THERE'S ONE AFTER THAT AND THEN THESE TWO SCHOOL SITES WILL BE THERE NEXT PRIORITY. THE DO DIALS -- ALLOWS ADDITIONAL UNITS. UNDER THE PLAN WE ARE PROPOSING WITH THE BONUS WE ARE DISCUSSING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE WILL PROVIDE 216 SOURCE THE SAME COMMITMENT.

THE LAND DEDICATIONS ARE THE SAME OR GREATER. WE TALKED ABOUT 2 ACRES.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE CHIEF TALKED ABOUT A 4-ACRE FIRE STATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON WITH THE PROPERTIES AND WE HAVE MADE THE SAME COMMITMENT FOR THE COMMUNITY PART TWO CONVEY THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE KEPT UP OUR COMMITMENT TO GIVE 77 ACRES TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE PROPERTIES WHEN THEY NEED IT. WE DO HAVE THE SAME OBLIGATION -- TO PAY SCHOOL IMPACT FEES.

WE HAD THAT OBLIGATION BEFORE. WE HAVE TO PAY TRANSPORTATION MOBILITY FEES.

THIS PROJECT WILL GENERATE IMPACT FEES AND $53 MILLION IN MOBILITY FEES.

I PROBABLY EXCEEDED MY 10 MINUTES BUT I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE

ANY. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR SUSAN AT THIS POINT?

>> I DO. >> I HAVE QUITE A FEW. AS FAR AS PRICE RANGE.

I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT HIGH DEVELOPER CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT QUICKSAND I WOULD LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT. SO IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION FOR ME I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER

THAT. >> WHY DO YOU NEED ( INDISCERNIBLE ).

>> FOR THE MIXED-USE IT IS GEOMETRY, TERESA IF YOU COULD PUT THE MAP BACK UP.

NUMBER 546. THAT RIGHT THERE. GO UP.

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AND THEN THERE'S THE PINK IN MIXED-USE. THE FIRST CONNECTOR RUNS NORTH, THAT LINE THROUGH THE MIXED-USE AND IT CROSSES PETERS CREEK. WE WILL HAVE OF MAIN ENTRANCE THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE ON 315. IT WILL BE A BIG FANCY LANDSCAPING ENTRANCE.

THIS IS ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL. THE MAIN ENTRANCE WILL RUN ALONG THE SOUTHERN END OF THE MIXED USE PARCEL AND PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE NORTH TO COMMERCIAL AND THE NORTH TO MIXED-USE. MIXED-USE CAN BE COMMERCIAL AS WELL.

IT COULD BE SINGLE-FAMILY. AND THEN THE SOUTH SIDE WHEN YOU DRAW THE BOX IT 90 ACRES.

IT GIVES YOU THE FRONT EDGE. IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE THAT WAY FOR THIS PROPERTY.

IF SOMEONE ASKED YOU IN THE FUTURE FOR THIS CATEGORY AND AS FAR AS 20 UNITS, I KNOW, HE WILL TALK ABOUT IT BEING CHEAPER AND MORE AFFORDABLE IF YOU INCREASE THE UNITS AND YOU SAID THE 24 UNITS WOULD ONLY BE IF IT IS MONITOR FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> WHEN THEY PROPOSED THE DENSITY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ACCOMPANIED BY AN AGREEMENT THAT

MONITORS THAT. >> WHO MONITORS BACK? >> THE REASON WE HAVE NOT DEFINED IT TODAY IS BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS IT CAN BE DONE.

THE COUNTY DOES NOT NECESSARILY MONITOR THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS. BETH BUT SHIP ORDER NADER SAID THERE IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COORDINATOR HOUSE IN THE CITY, THERE'S PROJECTS IN CLAY COUNTY THAT ARE LOW INCOME HOUSING AND THEY ARE MONITORED FOR 20-30 YEARS.

THERE IS A PROGRAM MONITOR IN THE CITY STAFF. IF YOU GET A LOAN.

I THINK THE SCORE WAS HERE TO DO MODERATE HOUSING. IF YOU GET A LOAN ON THE BASIS OF THAT, ACTUALLY BOTH LOAN MANAGER MANAGES THAT REQUIREMENT.

THE REASON YOU GOT THE MONEY YOU PROVIDED THAT. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO THAT ON OUR PROPERTY AND THEY GET A LOAN, THE COUNTY MAY NOT HAVE TO BE INVOLVED AT ALL.

THE PERSON DOING THE LOAN WOULD MONITOR THE REPORTS ON INCOME AND ELIGIBILITY.

BUT IF IT'S NOT DONE THEY MAY HAVE TO HAVE A MONITORING PROGRAM.

THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY DOES SOME OF THE MONITORING SO IT COULD BE A THIRD PARTY THAT SAYS THEY WILL DO IT. WHAT WE HAVE DECIDED IT IS EASIER FOR THE PERSON PROPOSING THAT TO SAY IN THIS INSTANCE IT WOULD BE A LOAN MANAGER OR THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY OR YOU. WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE UNTIL THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED. IT'S SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO WORK OUT THROUGH YOUR STAFF AT THE

TIME THE PROJECT COMES FOR CONSIDERATION. >> WHEN IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE

IN DEVELOPMENT? >> WHEN IS IT SUPPOSED TO START? >> THE WEST COAST CONNECTOR WILL OPEN IN 2024. WE WOULD ANTICIPATE DEVELOPMENT PREPARATIONS WILL BE MADE SO THE INITIAL DEVELOPMENT IS 2024. PEOPLE HAVE TO DO PERMITTING AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS LONG BEFORE

YOU SEE A ROOFTOP. >> MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU, AS FAR AS THE 2 ACRES FOR THE FIRE STATION. I HEAR THAT BUT WE NEED MORE THAN THAT.

CAN WE NOT ANSWER THAT NOW. >> THIS IS A TRANSMITTAL. WE TALKED ABOUT FOR SMALL-SCALE AMENDMENTS. THIS IS NOT. IT GOES OFF OF THE STATE AND COME BACK AT THE END OF NOVEMBER WE ANTICIPATE BEING BACK ON DECEMBER 14 TO SAY, WE LIKE WHEN THE STATE APPROVED THIS. WE ANTICIPATE AT THAT HEARING TO HAVE AGREEMENTS THAT TALK ABOUT 4 ACRES, WHERE IT'S LOCATED WHEN IT WILL BE GIVEN TO YOU AND YOU WILL SEE ALL OF THAT AS A SINGLE PACKAGE. WHEN YOU ADOPT THIS THE DETAILS WILL BE THERE.

WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT THEM AND WHERE BEST TO LOCATE THEM.

>> THANK YOU. >> DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION?

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>> I THINK LIKE LOANS OR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THE LOAN THEY WILL MONITOR, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THE LOAN. DO THEY COME TO THE COUNTY FOR THAT OVERSIGHT?

I AM TRYING TO GET THE ANSWER YOU MAY HAVE THE ANSWER. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE QUESTIONS

MAY BE BEST FOR JERRY. >> I HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN CLAY COUNTY WITH LOW-MODERATE HOUSING IT WAS 350 UNITS WE DID IT WITH CLAY COUNTY FINANCE AUTHORITY.

THIS COULD MIRROR THAT, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS YOU WOULD GO THROUGH THEM TO GET THE BONDS AND THEN THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MONITOR. THEY HIRE A THIRD PARTY THAT COMES IN AND BASICALLY AUDIT YOUR RECORDS EVERY YEAR END REPORT TO THE HOUSING AND FINANCE AUTHORITY THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE. IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR FINANCING I WOULD ENVISION IT WOULD BE THE SAME PROCESS. WE WOULD MAKE THEM THE HONORING AGENCY AND HIRED THE SAME THIRD-PARTY TO PAY OUR RECORDS. THE COUNTY DOESN'T REALLY HAVE TO BE INVOLVED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WOULD BE A PAIN IN THE NECK.

THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS TO DO IT SO UNTIL YOU KNOW HOW YOU WILL FINANCE IT.

THAT'S HOW YOU FIGURE IT OUT. WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF NEGOTIATING WITH MASTER DEVELOPERS HAVE NARROWED IT DOWN TO THE THREE BEST. IN EACH CASE, THE RANGER HOUSING COULD BE DIVERSE. WHAT WE ARE GETTING, IT WILL RUN FROM 3502900000 HOUSES.

THIS IS WHERE THEY PUT IN THE. BY THE TIME WE GET THERE, I THINK 350 WILL BE THE BASE PRICE. IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THEY WILL ( INDISCERNIBLE ) AS FAR AS

PROPERTY TAXES ARE CONCERNED. >> : A SECOND PERIOD I HAVE CONSTITUENTS WHO ARE SAYING IF WE GIVE YOU THE 20 UNITS, YOU ARE SAYING IT DOES BRING UP THE PRICE OF THE APARTMENTS OR WHATEVER IT IS. THERE IS NO GUARANTEE FOR THAT. THEIR CONCERN IS, YOU CAN SAY THAT, THEN YOU WILL SELL IT TO SOMEONE ELSE, WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ON THAT?

>> LET ME BACK UP AND EXPLAIN AGAIN. HOW THE FAMILY WORKS AND HOW WE INCENTIVIZE, WE NEED LOW, MODERATE INCOME BUT WE DON'T WANT ALL OF THEM.

THE DENSITY WE HAVE BEEN LIVING WITH, ALMOST PRECLUDES MARKET RATE HOUSING WHICH IS MORE DESIRABLE. THE NUMBERS DON'T WORK. THE RENT HAS TO BE TOO HARD.

GETTING THE ROADIE NEAR WAS A NIGHTMARE IT SHOULD'VE BEEN EASY BUT IT WASN'T.

THE ONLY THING THAT TIPPED IT OVER WAS THE HOSPITAL BEING BILLED AND NO MORE LAND TO BUILD APARTMENTS. THEY HAD A BARRIER OF ENTRY AND THAT PUSHED IT OVER THE TOP.

THEY HAD 400 EMPLOYEES COMING INTO THE AREA. NO RENTAL HOUSING.

THEY THINK THEY CAN DO THIS BUT THAT'S HOW IT CAME OUT. IF YOU COME IN, THEY CHECK WHAT THE RENTAL MARKET IS FOR APARTMENTS. THEN THEY WORK IT BACKWARDS WILL COST. IF IT COST MORE THAN THE RENT THEY CAN GET THEY WILL JUST GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE ONLY THING WORKING IN CLAY COUNTY IS THE DENSITY BONUS.

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WE ARE SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT FOR MARKET RATE APARTMENTS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNDERSTOOD LIKE THAT NEEDED TO BE. IS JUST DENSITY EQUALS COST EQUALS RENT. THE HIGHER THE DENSITY THE LOWER THE COST LOWER THE RENT.

THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT HOW DO YOU KNOW, THE MARKET PRETTY MUCH TAKES CARE OF THAT NO ONE WILL PAY MORE THAT WHAT THEY HAVE TO FOR AN APARTMENT THAT IS A HIGHLY COMPETITIVE BUSINESS.

IF THE RATE GETS TOO HIGH IT DOESN'T RENT OR THE VACANCY IS TOO HIGH IT MAKES THE NUMBERS MYSELF. THEY WANT TO FIT THEIR PLAN THE COST AND EXPENSES AND HAVE A NET RETURN WHEN THEY ARE FINISHED, AND IT DOESN'T WORK IN CLAY COUNTY RIGHT NOW THAT WAY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE OF CONSTRUCTION IT IS 25-30 UNITS PER ACRE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WILL GET THERE, BUT AT LEAST IT IS ONE STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

THAT IS WHY I SUGGESTED THAT. >> WHAT IS PREVENTING YOU FROM GOING ( INDISCERNIBLE ) US?

>> YES. >> I THINK THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR THAT AROUND THE INTERCHANGE AND THE INTERSECTED. I THINK THERE WILL BE A NEED FOR THAT TYPE OF HOUSING.

YOU CAN SEE THE INTERSTATES 4-FIVE-STORY SPIRIT THE RENT IS AFFORDABLE.

MARKET RATE AFFORDABLE. >> WERE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BUILD UP YOU CAN

CHARGE MARKET RATE FOR THE APARTMENT. >> I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

THESE APARTMENTS, THEY DID 2-THREE-STORY BUILDINGS. THESE BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN INEXPENSIVE RELATIVE TO THE TOTAL COST OF LAND, THE WATER AND ORANGE.

PARKING SPACE WOULD HAVE PUT 28 UNITS AT WEIGHTLESS COST. THIS WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE TOTAL RATES DOWN. I WOULD PROPOSE TO PUT 25-30 UNITS.

WHEN YOU GET TO THE INTERSTATE YOU MAY NEED TO CONSIDER THAT. >> WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF LETTING THAT HAPPEN. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST IT BUT I DON'T WANT TO INCENTIVIZE IT.

>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO HAVE MARKET RATE HOUSING PEOPLE CAN AFFORD.

IS JUST HARD TO GET THERE WITHOUT DENSITY. >> HOW DO WE CHANGE THE DENSITY.

THE CENTER WILL ALLOW 24 UNITS PER ACRE. >> WITHOUT ANYTHING EXTRA SPECIAL. WHY DO WE HAVE THE DENSITIES ON THEIR NOW THAT ARE RESTRICTING IS. I SUSPECT IT IS A THROWBACK TO NOT WANTING A LOT OF HOUSES IN A SPACE. BUT IF WERE BUILDING UP I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH INCREASING THE DENSITY. THAT IS MY OPINION. WE TALK ABOUT KEEPING GREEN SPACE, THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS TO HAPPEN. WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY FIRE APPARATUS I DON'T THINK THAT'S TRUE ANYMORE.

I WAS SURPRISED YOUR BUILDINGS, I EXPECTED TO SEE DEAL INSTEAD OF WOOD.

AFTER YOU GET TO US CERTAIN POINT IT'S A FIRE HAZARD. >> WHEN YOU GO PAST YOU HAVE TO

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SPRINKLE. >> YOU ARE IN A DIFFERENT LEAGUE , I WOULD ENCOURAGE US AS

A BOARD TO CONSIDER WHAT WE CAN DO TO RAISE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JERRY? THIS IS MORE OF A GENERAL QUESTION.

HERE'S AN X NATION. >> THIS WILL PROBABLY NEVER BE FILLED.

THERE WAS A PHYSICAL LIMIT. WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO AVOID IS HAVING IT TO WHERE WE BUILD OUT AND THERE WAS NOT CAP THAT HAS TO BE MONITORED AND A PAIN FOR THE COUNTY AND US.

IT IS CUMBERSOME. IT'S A LOT OF NUMBERS THAT ARE ALREADY HANDLED UNDER THE MASTER PLAN. WHAT WE SAID, WHY ARE WE KEEPING THE DRI.

THERE'S NO ADVANTAGE. WHEN YOU APPLY THE MASTER PLAN IT ACTUALLY COMES OUT MORE UNITS THAN THE DRI DID. WITHOUT ALL OF THE PAPERWORK. THERE S A PHYSICAL LIMIT TO HOW MUCH YOU CAN PUT ON LAND. IN MY ESTIMATION THIS WILL END UP WITH 58-59 UNITS AND MAY BE 400,000 OF COMMERCIAL AND IT WILL BE FILLED OUT. THE EXCESS OF THEIR, WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS FILL IT OUT AND 15 YEARS FROM NOW YOU HAVE 200 ACRES LEFT OVER.

YOUR NUMBERS, AND THERE ARE MATH CALCULATIONS COME OUT HIGHER THAN WHAT WE THINK WE CAN GET.

BUT BY GOING WITH YOUR CALCULATIONS, WITH THE NUMBERS WE REPORT THIS IS HOW THINK ABOUT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO ANNUAL REPORTING AND THE COUNTY DOESN'T EITHER. YOU JUST SUBMIT IT. THE REGULATIONS AND LAKE ASBURY, THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SO SIMILAR, THE COUNTY STAFF JUST SAID IT WORKS HERE OR HERE AND WE COPIED

IT. >> IT MAKES SENSE BUT I HAVE SEEN DEVELOPERS SQUEEZE SOMETHING IN, THEY CAN SPLIT A TREE AND DROP THREE MORE HOUSES, --

>> YOU WILL HEAR PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THAT. TO ME, IT IS LOGICAL BUT AT THE

SAME TIME WHAT IS PRACTICAL, THEY WILL STICK ONE ON A POSTAGE >> THE PEOPLE WE TALKED TO WEEVIL COMPARABLE THEY CAN PRODUCE SOMETHING THEY WILL BE PROUD OF.

>> THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS, I HAVE DISCUSSED THESE PLANS, THEY ALL HAVE RECREATIONAL PURSUITS.

>> I WISH I COULD SHARE THE SITE PLANS WITH YOU. WE HAVE TRAIL SYSTEMS.

THIS WILL BE TOP-NOTCH. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JERRY WHILE HE IS HERE?

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>> I HAVE ONE MORE. >> ANCIENT HISTORY. WHEN WE PASSED.

FOR THE IMPACT FEES. THERE WAS A GUY NAMED KURT, OR JACK MYERS, AND THE DEAL WAS, THEY WERE GOING TO PREPAY SOME OF THE IMPACT FEES. DID THEY DO THAT?

>> THEY WENT AND GRABBED. >> SO THEY DID IT, AND THEY DID IT IN THE DOWNTURN.

>> THIS IS ANCIENT HISTORY BUT WE HAD NOT GIVEN THEM TITLE TO ANY OF THE PROPERTY.

THEY DID THE PLANNING AND THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN THEY HIT A DOWNTURN WHEN THEY TOOK A LOT OF COMPANIES DOWN. THEY HAD A VERY LARGE LINE OF CREDIT WITH THE LEADING BANKS.

ALL OF THEIR PROJECTS ALL OVER THE REGION, WHEN UNDER. IT WAS SAD BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME GOOD COMPANIES THAT WERE DESTROYED BECAUSE OF THAT DOWNTURN.

>> I WAS PUSHING THE IMPACT FEE AND THEY QUIT TALKING TO ME FOR SOME REASON.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? WE WILL GO TO BETH THEN PUBLIC HEARING.

AND STAFF RECOMMENDATION. >> IF I CAN ADD ONE THING. LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN HAS RECREATION WITHIN EACH DEVELOPMENT. OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WON'T SUBMIT A PUD WHICH ALSO HAS A. YOU MAY HAVE SOME.

IF YOU -- THIS IS TRANSMITTAL. IF YOU WERE TO TRANSMIT WITH THE CONCEPT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORTED THEY VOTED 7I COULD 0 IN FAVOR OF THIS. WE HAVE AMENDED PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THOSE IN THE APPLICATION. ABOUT THE HOUSING ELEMENTS INCLUDE POLICIES THAT DEAL WITH THIS TYPE OF BONUS AND WE WILL NEED TO ADD NIF INCLUDED THIS IN THE MEMORANDUM. WE HAVE ALSO ADVERTISED FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING SO THESE POLICIES COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THE TRANSMITTAL PACKAGE TODAY. WE HAVE COVERED ALL BASES AND THAT IS TO INCLUDE, THE MIXED USE CATEGORY WITHIN THE POLICIES AND THE DENSITY BONUS.

WITH THAT, THAT HAS AND WE RECOMMEND TRANSMITTAL OF THIS APPLICATION WITH THOSE CHANGES.

>> THIS IS TRANSMITTAL SO WE -- >> THEY WILL SEND IT BACK TO YOU WITH THEIR COMMENTS.

>> THIS IS THE 1ST AND ONLY MEETING IN DECEMBER. YOU WILL HAVE THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER TO ABANDON DRI. THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED AS WELL AS THE REZONING APPLICATION AND DEVELOPMENTAL AGREEMENTS FOR ANYTHING THEY WILL DONATE TO THE COUNTY.

>> DID YOU SAY WE HAD 24 UNITS PER ACRE SOMEWHERE ELSE? AND JUST ON THE FIRST COASTAL EXPRESSWAY JUST WEST OF WHERE THAT SARATOGA SPRINGS DEVELOPMENT IS.

FIRST KO'S CONNECTOR GOES OVER TO IT. >> AND THAT WAS BECAUSE WE ARE

NEAR THE EXPRESSWAY? >> MOST LIKELY HAS. >> CAN WE EXTEND IT TO THIS

OPERATION? >> IF YOU CHOOSE. YOU COULD CERTAINLY --

>> I WOULD MUCH PREFER TO DO THA. >> YOU ARE SAYING GET RID OF ( INDISCERNIBLE ) IF YOU WOULD CHOOSE TO CHANGE MIXED USED TO TRACK 24 PER ACRE THAT WHICH CHANGE FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. IT'S NOT JUST FOR THIS AREA.

>> THEY WON'T DEVELOP UNLESS THEY CAN FILL THEM UP AT MARKET RATE, CORRECT?

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>> POSSIBLY. >> I DON'T SEE THAT AS A BAD THING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? LET'S GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO HAVE SOME PEOPLE WANT TO

SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE. GARY CLARK, ARE YOU HERE? >> JUST 22.

>> MARK. DID I PRONOUNCE THAT RIGHT? >> MONTICELLO.

>> I AM MARK MONTICELLO 214 WHICH COURTS. WHERE WE START.

I GUESS AT THE END YOU MENTIONED THE VILLAGE CENTER OVER THERE, IF WE REMEMBER THAT WAS CHANGED AS PART OF AN AGREEMENT TO BUILD THE AREA, THE BEGINNING OF THE SLIPPERY SLOPE.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THIS AND OTHER AMENDMENTS, THEY HAD OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS FOR THE GLOBAL CHANGES FOR SPECIFIC ISSUES.

THEY DID NOT LIKE IT, THEY STATED IT AND ENDED UP VOTING FOR IT AND RECOMMENDING IT.

IT WAS A LATE NIGHT MAYBE THAT HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. THE IDEA OF, MAKING A WHOLESALE CHANGE TO RULES AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THE CONSEQUENCES THAT COME FROM THAT IS A FOOLS ERA. JUST LIKE YOU BROUGHT UP. THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT MADE BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO AT THE TIME. EVEN THOUGH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS OPPOSED THE CHANGE IT WAS MADE. THE STATEMENTS THEN WERE, THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF MORE CHANGES. THE MASTER PLAN WAS PUT TOGETHER BY CITIZENS AND A LOT OF EFFORT AND DILIGENCE WAS PUT INTO DEVELOPING THIS.

YOU CAN'T ON THE BASIS OF A PRESENTATION THAT HAS SEVERAL ERRORS, INCLUDING THE STATEMENT THAT THEY WILL BUILD FACILITIES FOR SCHOOL SPIRIT ON THE DOCUMENT IT SAID, THEY WERE PROVIDING 77 ACRES OF FACILITIES FROM THE SCHOOL. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GROW OUT. YOU CAN CHANGE THE MASTER PLAN. THERE WERE ERRORS IN IT.

THERE WERE UNDEFINED TERMS CLAY COUNTY IS VERY FRIENDLY TO BUSINESS AND THAT'S A GOOD THING, MONEY IN THE BANK. DRIVING HOUSES AND POPULATION THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES I THINK MORE NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED. YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD, THESE AGREEMENTS AND PROMISES ARE NOT OBLIGATIONS OF THE BUYERS. DEVELOPERS MAY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS BUT WHAT ABOUT BYERS. WHAT ABOUT 30 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN THE FACILITIES END UP BEING FIRE HAZARDS. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THIS AND A LOT OF THINGS NOT EXPLAINED IN THIS PRESENTATION. DON'T PASS THIS DOWN TO THE STATE BEFORE YOU HAVE DETAILS. YOU HAVE ALREADY EXPRESSED CONCERNS AND THEY ARE WELL-FOUNDED. IN THE PAST YOU TALKED ABOUT DENSITY ISSUES AND THE CONSEQUENCES. SOME THINGS ARE GOOD ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT BUT THERE ARE TOO MANY THINGS THAT ARE UNDEFINED AND WRONG. I URGE YOU TO NOT PASS THIS DOWN ASKED FOR MORE CLARIFICATION ON THE ISSUES. THE 20 UNITS PER ACRE, -- 20

UNITS TIME-OUT, I APOLOGIZE. >> I APPRECIATE YOU NOTICING THE TIME.

ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED? CAROL WEINBERGER COME ON DOWN. >> I REALLY DID NOT COME TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS TODAY THOUGH IM SURPRISED TO HEAR IT. I DO LIVE IN LAKE ASBURY.

I AM PLEASED WITH OUR COMMUNITY. I AM DISAPPOINTED AT THE NUMBER OF HOUSES I SEE BEING BUILT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 739. I'M DISAPPOINTED WE DON'T HAVE OUR ROADS WE SHOULD BE HAVING.

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NOW I HEAR, WE ARE GOING TO ADD 600 MORE HOUSES TO AN ALREADY DENSE PLAN.

I DO NOT THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA. I WORKED WITH 2,000,005 HELPING TO BUY LOW INCOME HOUSING. I SAW THE WAY IT WAS MONITORED THROUGH OUR SHIP PROGRAM.

I SOLVE THE PROBLEMS FROM IT. I SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN IT.

IT IS NOT A GOOD PLAN. PLEASE DON'T DO THIS TO CLAY COUNTY.

THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?

>> IF YOU WOULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND AT SOME POINT FILL OUT A CARD FOR US AND HANDED IT

TO CHRISTINE. >> MY NAME IS RYAN ELEMENT 1699 ( INDISCERNIBLE ) ROAD.

I AM A TRANSPLANT FROM SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. I JOINED THE ARMY IN 1,993.

I MOVED HERE, RETIRED IN 2013. WHEN I'D LEFT CALIFORNIA, IT WAS AWESOME.

I HAVE WATCHED IT NOW. WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING HERE WILL TEAR IT UP.

MY WIFE OF YEAR. YOU GUYS HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR STREET AND ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE.

RANCHO CUCAMONGA, CALIFORNIA THEY DID IT THE RIGHT WAY. THEY BUILT ALL OF THE ROADS THEN THEY LET THE PEOPLE COME IN. THE WAY YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT IS BACKWARDS.

YOU'RE BRINGING THE PEOPLE IN THESE HOUSES, AND THE ROADS ARE GARBAGE RIGHT NOW.

I WON'T SAY IT LIKE THAT BUT THE ROADS NEED A LOT OF WORK. I WILL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

I APPRECIATE IT AND THAT IS IT. >> THANK YOU SIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

DON'T FORGET TO FILL OUT A CARD. ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN MAKING ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? SEE NONE I BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.

I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BOLA IN REGARDS DO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT DENSITY ESPECIALLY IN THE RIGHT PLACE. I DON'T THINK THIS HAPPENS TO BE THE RIGHT PLACE.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT INCREASING ACREAGE FOR MIXED USE BECAUSE OF THE GLOBAL ASPECT.

ASPECT. I'M ALSO IN TERMS OF THAT 16 UNITS, GOING TO BACK 20 AND THE BONUS DENSITY ON TOP OF THAT. THERE IS NO WAY TO HANDLE IT. I'M NOT WILLING TO CHANGE IT.

IF WE NEED MORE DENSITY IN THE AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY, I WOULD BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT THAT SEPARATELY. BUT I HAVE A PROBLEM OF BOTH -- WITH THE SLUMPING IN THE CHANGES. THAT IS MY CONCERN.

HOUSING MAY NEED MORE DENSITY BUT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT AREA TO COME UP WITH 90 UNITS FOR MIXED LAND USE BECAUSE IT HAPPENS TO FIT THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THEY HAVE.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME. >> WE ALREADY AGREED ON THE 24 UNITS PER ACRE.

>> 16 UNITS. >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS TALKED ABOUT IT.

THEY GO UP TO BACK 24. THAT IS ALREADY AN APPROVAL AS FAR AS DENSITY.

>> THAT IS WHAT WE WILL GET IF WE APPROVE THIS SPIRIT. >> ANY WAY WE SLICE IT.

I WAS PROPOSING, IF WE MAKE IT 24E CAN GET THE FULL RATE FOR THE APARTMENTS.

WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE WORK FORCE THOUSAND COMPONENT IF SOMEONE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE THERE THEY WILL MOVE IN. IF HE CAN'T FILL UP THE APARTMENT THEN MAKE MONEY AT IT,

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I DON'T KNOW HOW WE RESTRICT IT TO JUST THAT ONE AREA. >> WITHIN THE ACTIVITY CENTER?

>> IT WAS A DENSITY THAT WAS APPLIED TO THE LAKE AS VERY DETENTION CENTER.

THE ACTIVITY CENTER WAS ALLOWED TO HAVE HIGH DENSITY. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITIES. IT'S ONY IN THE ACTIVITY CENTER.

BECAUSE IT IS CLOSE TO YOUR INTERSTATE CLOSE TO AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE MAJOR HIGHWAYS CONNECTING. BIDDERS CHANCE FOR TRANSIT. CAN WE WRITE SOMETHING AND RESTRICTED WITH THE AVAILABLE HIGHWAY OR THE PLANT HIGHWAY SYSTEM.

>> THIS CONNECTOR GOING THROUGH, I BELIEVE IT IS ( INDISCERNIBLE ).

>> HOW CLOSE IS IT TO THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S RIGHT ON TOP. MAYBE WE CAN GRAB SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL PRESERVE SOME GREEN SPACE.

THE PROBLEM THEY HAVE WITH THE HOUSES, THEY TAKE UP ALL OF THE SPACE.

A HIGH-RISE DOESN'T DO THAT. YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE DRIVE IT AROUND.

>> JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE GIVING HIGHER DENSITY THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT WILL GO UP.

NOW YOU HAVE LOTS OF LAND AND THE LAND PRICES ARE LOWER YOU MAY HAVE PRESSURE TO GO UP WHEN THERE ARE LESS AREAS. THEY HAVE TO MAKE MORE MONEY ON SMALLER PIECES.

>> WHY DON'T WE FIX THAT, JERRY. >> IF I CAN INTERJECT, THE MIXED USE CATEGORY, THERE'S ONLY FOUR PARCELS IN USE TODAY. IF YOU DON'T WANT IT IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

THE CATEGORY HAS ONE ALREADY. WHAT I AM HEARING, IT ALLOWS IT FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

WE ALREADY HAVE LOCATION REQUIREMENTS. I THINK THE RESTRICTIONS MAY BE

IN PLACE. >> THAT COULD BE THE ISSUE HERE. >> WERE NOT GETTING OFF OF THE

ISSUE. THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR. >> ASKING FOR 24.

>> WITH CONDITIONAL WORKFORCE. >> MAY BE SUSAN YOU CAN CLARIFY WHAT CONSTITUTES WORKFORCE?

>> THERE'S TWO PARTS OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE. ONE IS 380 USES THE TERM.

ONE IS MODERATE INCOME AND THEY ARE DEFINED AS THE SAME THING. IT IS IDENTICAL AND SAME TERM.

>> WHAT I HAVE RESEARCHED, IT PUTS AN ENTRY-LEVEL TEACHER, NURSE, DETECTIVE INTO THE CATEGORY. I THINK IT'S NEW FAMILIES JUST GETTING STARTED.

THAT IS WHERE THE NURSES WILL LIVE. >> THE DRI'S ALREADY APPROVED.

>> HAS BEEN FOR NUMBER OF YEARS. A LOT OF THIS IS END OF MULTIFAMILY.

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>> GOES UP 1100. TOTAL OF 599 HOMES, UNITS. UNLESS MY SHE DISSOLVES, THEY ARE LOSING ACTIVE ADULTS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE MULTI FAMILY I'M NOT SURE IF YOU'RE

ADDING -- YOU'RE TAKING OUT. >> AND THE MODERATE INCOME. >> THE DRI HAD A CLASSIFICATION CALLED ACTIVE ADULT. INACTIVE ADULT HOUSING UNIT GENERATES ALMOST NO TRAFFIC BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE RETIRE. ACTIVE ADULT COULD BE TOWNHOUSE, APARTMENT, BUT IT SAYS EVERYONE HAS BE OVER 65. SET UP TRIPS WITH ASSOCIATE HOMES AND BUILDINGS ROAD IMPROVEMENTS, OTHERS HOUSING FOR PEOPLE OVER 65 IN TRAFFIC IS LOW.

WHEREVER JUDGES ALLOW THE DEVELOPER HAD A PLAN TO DO THAT SPECIFICALLY.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT THIS YEAR. PART OF THE QUESTION WE ARE ASKING IS APARTMENTS.

MARGARET INCOME WOULD BE A SINGLE-FAMILY. MODERATE INCOME IS $65,000 PER YEAR FOR FAMILIES OF 2-3 PEOPLE. IT'S A POLICEMAN AND A TEACHER. SOMEONE STAYING HOME FAIR THESE ARE NOT ALL MULTIFAMILY UNITS. IT COULD BE FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING WHICH WE ARE DEFICIENT IN AS WE INVITE EMPLOYERS TO THE COUNTY HE MENTIONED THE HOSPITAL AND ALL OF THE TAX AND NURSES LOOKING FOR PLACE TO LIVE AND THERE'S NOWHERE TO LIVE. SHE COULD NOT START ON TIME BECAUSE SHE COULD NOT FIND A HOUSE ON THE INCOME YOU PAY OR YOU THINK THAT IS A GOOD INCOME THIS IS ABOUT PROVIDING HOUSING FOR PEOPLE SUPPORT THE CITY WHETHER APARTMENT OR SINGLE-FAMILY HOME, IT IS A NEED THAT IS MISSING RIGHT NOW. PEOPLE USUALLY THEIR MULTI FAMILY HOLDING HOUSING ON THEIR WAY TO GETTING A HOUSE. MAYBE YOU DON'T HAVE KIDS OR MAYBE WANT TO RETIRE. HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THE ISLAND WANT TO STAY BUT THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE BIG HOUSE ANYMORE. THIS IS DONE GOOD WHEN IT'S NOT GOOD BUT.

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>> I THINK THERE'S A PERCEPTION WHEN WE TALK ABOUT MODERATE INCOME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUD HOUSING ARE THIS WILL BECOME A HOUSING PROJECT KIND OF THING. WHAT WERE TALKING ABOUT MULTIFAMILY LIVING LIVING ABOVE A RESTAURANT OR A DOCTOR'S OFFICE.

I DID THAT AT ONE POINT IN MY LIFE IS ACTUALLY QUIET GOES THE WORDS BELOW YOU.

BUT I DON'T KNOW. >> WHEN YOU HAVE MIXED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS, THE FIRST FLOOR IS USUALLY RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL I'M NOT SAYING I'M AGAINST IT. I'M SAY THEY MADE A GOOD ARGUMENT ON WHY THEY WILL CHANGE THEY WILL HAVE THEIR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO.

ARE YOU CHANGING THE ACTUAL MASTER PLAN THAT HAS BEEN THERE. >> YOU THINK THERE'S TOO MUCH GOING I WANT TIME. CHANCE THEY WANTED CHANGE IT AND WANT CHANGE WAS THERE.

I HAVE A PROBLEM THAT NOT ONLY ARE WE MAKING THE CHANGE THERE, WERE MAKING IT ANYWHERE HOW DO YOU LOOK A LANDOWNER IN THE FACE AND SAY WE WON'T ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT BUT YOU DID OVER THERE.

A LANDOWNER SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHAT HE WANT WITH HIS LAMB. BUT THIS IS SET.

ROSSI FOR CHANGES. AND THAT HIS WIFE A PROBLEM. >> WE ARE PARTNERS IN THE SARATOGA DEVELOPMENT. A COUPLE THINGS. OR GET RID OF THE GOLF COURSE.

YOU GET RID OF THE GOLF COURSE AND HE PICKED UP MORE UNITS. IN OUR ORIGINAL CONVERSATION, 20 YEARS AGO, THE GOLF COURSE ADULT ACTIVE WAS RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER THAT WAS A CONVERSATION.

IN OUR MIND, SINGLE FAMILIES GOING UP. JERRY, GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES A COMPELLING ARGUMENT IS THAT WE SHOULD GO TO BACK 24.

IN OUR MIND MAKES MORE SENSE BUT WE WERE CAUTIOUS THE CONVERSATION YOU'RE HAVING IS NOT ONLY WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING BOTH THE CONVERSATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S CONVERSATION SEVERAL WEEKS AGO. ANOTHER PIECE GONG WHAT ARE WE ARE MAGIC FOR THE EXPERIENCE WE ARE IMAGINING THE SAME DEVELOPMENT YOU WOULD GET WITH A DRI.

WHEN SOMEONE TALKS ABOUT SELLING UNITS THEY PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO COMMUNITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS WHAT YOU WILL GET. THE FINAL PIECE, THE PROPERTIES OF THE WEST.

THIS WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY IN THE CENTER OF CLAY COUNTY.

WERE NEVER GOING TO GET NORTH OF 6,000 UNITS JUST CAN'T DO IT. BUT THAT IS WHAT THE LAND-USE DICTATES. WHEN THE DUST SETTLES, THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE FOR THE COUNTY.

I APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION BY WANT TO AD, WE HAVE A GREAT VISION FOR THIS.

WE HAVE BEEN THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW WE CAN DO THIS. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING CUL-DE-SACS

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EXISTING LAND USE. >> NOT SOMETHING STICK TO THE LAND USE.

>> OF SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE ON. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO KEEP IT WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. --

>> WANT TO GO TO 75? ( INDISCERNIBLE ). >> AND BONUS DENSITY.

>> THAT'S MY MOTION. >> SECOND IF YOU DO 16 IT GOES TO 24.

GRASP THEY WERE ASKING. >> YOU ARE CONFUSING THE WHOLE THING.

>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES 5-0. WE WILL BACKTRACK TO NUMBER 22. THE TRANSMITTAL OF CHANGING THE

[22.  5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - First Public Hearing to consider transmittal of CPA 2021-11 to change the future land use designation of multiple parcels from Lake Asbury Master Planned Community, Rural Community and Commercial to Lake Asbury Village Center and from Lake Asbury Village Center to Lake Asbury Master Planned Community and a text amendment to the Lake Asbury Future Land Use Element, Policy 1.4.10.(Comm. Burke, District 5) Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve with modifications. (D. Selig)]

PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-02 APPROVED WITH MODIFICATIONS. THIS IS IN DISTRICT FIVE.

THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE. THIS IS FOR THE RESIDENTS UP FOR A PLACE OF BUSINESS OR REACH COMMERCIAL USES AND PROVIDE WHAT COULD ESTABLISH THEIR BUSINESS ENCLOSED EXCELLENTLY TO THE

RESIDENTIAL AREA. >> THE FIRST AREA WE ARE CALLING IT VILLAGE ENTER FLIGHT ONE.

WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING HERE IS A CHANGE FOR FIVE PARCELS THAT WOULD GO FROM CURRENTLY, LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER TO THE MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. THAT IS THE GREEN PATCH.

THOSE PARCELS ARE UNDERNEATH THE EXPRESSWAY WHICH WILL NEVER UTILIZE COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO MOVE IT OVER. WHAT INITIALLY SPARKED OUR LOOKING AT THIS WAS WITH THE VILLAGE CENTER YOU WILL SEE AN ARC.

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THEY HAVE ONE AT THE VILLAGE CENTER AND SOMETHING ELSE. WE ARE TRYING TO GET THAT UP AND PROVIDE THE PROPERTY OWNER WITH FUTURE LAND USE. IT IS EXTENDING THE PROPOSAL FOR SIX PARCELS, 39 ACRES TO GO FROM THE VILLAGE CENTER AND IN ALL BUT ONE CASE IT IS THEN EXPANSION. ONE PARCEL DOESN'T BUT IT IS COMMON OWNERSHIP THAT IS FARTHER TO THE EAST. AND THEN THE LINE WE DREW ON THE SOUTH SIDE, IT ISN'T COMPLETELY ARBITRARY. IT IS AT THE NORTH END ON THE SOUTHSIDE PARCEL.

WE WERE TRYING TO GET A HORIZONTAL LINE NORTH OF THAT POINT.

THOSE CHANGES, IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THEM. THE CURRENT ACREAGE, 75 ACRES, 51 AND A HALF ACRES THEY ARE. WE WOULD BE MAKING THESE CHANGES , ADDING THEM AND TAKING SOME AWAY AND ENDING UP WITH 73 AND HAVE ACRES FOR THIS SITE. AGAIN, ABOUT AN ACRE AND A QUARTER OF FLEXIBILITY. NOT MUCH TO ADD BUT IT MAY COVER SOME GROUND.

THE SECOND SITE, AND THIS IS ON THE EASTERN IN, 209, WE ARE LOOKING AT FIVE PARCELS THAT ARE AT LEAST -- TWO OF THEM ARE TAINO -- TINY. I WANT TO POINT THEM OUT TO YOU.

THREE ARE ON THIS SITE. ONE IS THIS THIS TINY PIECE RIGHT HERE.

IT IS A FRAGMENT OF THE LARGER LOT. IT'S MY NIGHT FOR TECHNOLOGY.

I'M SORRY. THIS HAS A TINY LITTLE FRAGMENT IN THE CORNER THAT IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE BUT IT INCORPORATES THE CHANGE. FIVE OF THE PARCELS WOULD EXTEND IT TO THE FULLEST EXTENT. THE OTHER CHANGES WERE PROPOSED AND ONE IS COMMERCIAL.

IT IS RIGHT AT THE CORNER. NINE ADDITIONAL PARCELS THAT WOULD CHANGE FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE. AND IN THIS AREA, A VILLAGE CENTER FUTURE LAND USE ANY CHANGE TO PARCELS WOULD REQUIRE AND THE CHANGE WE ARE PROPOSING WOULD BE TO INCREASE THE CAP AND A SINGLE VILLAGE WITHIN THE MASTER PLAN. WE COULD TAKE OUT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THAT. AND ADDING WHAT HAS BEEN ASSUMED AND EXTRAPOLATED AS A CAP FOR 750 ACRES FOR ALL POTENTIAL VILLAGE CENTERS. WE ONLY HAVE EIGHT OF THEM RIGHT NOW. BUT HOWEVER, 75 PER VILLAGE CENTER OVER TEN GIVES YOU 750 ACRES. WERE NOT MAKING A CHANGE IN PROPOSING THAT, THERE ARE SOME SINNERS THAT HAVE CONSIDERABLY LESS THAN 75 ACRES. AND SOME THAT ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE MY MUCH BUT THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO THAT. YES WE ARE INCREASING BUT THERE WILL BE OTHERS THAT DON'T COME CLOSE TO THAT. WE FEEL LIKE THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY BUT WE SHOULD NOT TRIP THAT GRAND TOTAL. IN VILLAGE CENTER THERE IS A MAX AND A MINIMUM. IT IS A MIXED USE TYPE OF DISTRICT.

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PEAK -- >> THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE VILLAGE CENTER SIDEWALK AND THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY CHANGES, YOU WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT. WHAT THAT WITH TWO, IT IS AT ITS CAP.

IF YOU INCREASE IT TO 100 ACRES AND YOU INCLUDE THE WESTSIDE, YOU ARE GOING TO 82 ACRES.

YOU ARE TAPPING AT ONE AND A HALF BUT THERE IS A RIGHT OF WAY THAT WILL PROBABLY REDUCE THAT.

EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS OVER IT MAY BE RIGHT AT 100 ACRES.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL EXCEPT THE PARCELS ON THE EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD. YOU ARE LOOKING AT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, YOU ARE ADDING SIX AND THREE QUARTERS ACRES AND A NEW TOTAL OF 82 FOR THE VILLAGE CENTER.

YOU HAVE 17 AND A QUARTER ACRES IN THE VILLAGE CENTER FOR THAT SITE THAT COULD CHANGE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. THE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF CBA 2021 -- 11.

>> OKAY. DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? >> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, WE'RE GOING FROM 75-100. WERE SAYING THERE ARE TEN POSSIBLE VILLAGE CENTERS.

I CAN'T IMAGINE, AS WE IDENTIFY WHERE THEY ARE I WOULD WANT TO BE PART OF THE VILLAGE CENTER WHICH WOULD BE MORE LUCRATIVE. THROUGH THE FIRST SEGMENT, WE CAN GO TO 100.

WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH TO GET THROUGH THE OTHER THREE BUT MORE THAN LIKELY, TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHEN WE ARE OFF OF THE BOARD, WHAT IS TO PREVENT A DEVELOPER FROM COMING IN AND SAYING YOU LET EVERYONE ELSE HAVE 100 ACRES, WE DON'T GET TO PUT OURS IN THERE.

>> I WOULD MIND IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE RESIDENTIAL AS PART OF THE COMPONENT.

WHEN YOU PUT, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE, 65%? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND A NEIGHBORHOOD, TO ME, THAT MAKES NO SENSE. BUT THAT IS JUST ME.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE OPEN PUBLIC HEARING? >> THE ONE THING WITH THE PARCELS ON THE WEST SPIRIT THEY WERE SPLIT IN HALF DID YOU TALK ABOUT THAT?

>> JUST TOO APT TO THOSE ALONE WE WOULD BE OVER ABOUT 75 ARC. >> I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE TAUGHT ME OR YOU TRIED TO TEACH ME WELL ABOUT COMPATIBILITY AND INCOMPATIBILITY.

THE REASONS WE CAN DENY OR APPROVE THINGS. IS THERE A RISK OF ANY KIND OF LITIGATION AND MAY BE THIS IS A COURTNEY QUESTION. A RISK OF LITIGATION BECAUSE WE DO APPROVE THE WEST SIDE AND DON'T APPROVE THE EAST SIDE. WOULD THE EASTSIDE PROPERTY

OWNERS HAVE ANY LEVERAGE? >> WHAT WAS THE PLANNING COMMISSION?

WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR DENYING THE EAST SIDE? >> THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF

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PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I GOT THE SAME THING. >> ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO PUBLIC HEARING? LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CARDS AND PEOPLE WHO WOULD WANT TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE AFTER WE GO THROUGH THE CARDS WE WILL HAVE YOU COME ON DOWN. WE TO HAVE MARK, I HOPE I GOT YOUR NAME RIGHT THIS TIME.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION FIRST ON THE LAST AMENDMENT WHERE THE GLOBAL CHANGES CONTAINED WITHIN THAT PLAN PART OF THE APPROVAL BECAUSE THAT WILL AFFECT MY

COMMENTS. >> THE GLOBAL? >> THERE WERE SOME CHANGES TO

THE CENTER THAT CHANGED THE DEVELOPMENT. >> I'M NOT SURE.

I WATCHED THE -- >> AND AFFECTED, I THINK THERE WERE CHANGES SPECIFIC TO THE

VILLAGE CENTER AND THAT LAND USE IN THOSE AREAS. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

SARATOGA SPRINGS? >> NO. AND YOU DID NOT APPROVE IT?

>> I WAS NOT SURE. I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID NO. BUT SOMETHING ELSE THERE.

I APOLOGIZE. >> THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

THE CHANGE TO THE VILLAGE CENTER FOR A SMALL PROJECT. I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON THIS.

YOU CAN ASK FOR BIG CHANGE FOR SPECIFIC REASONS BUT WHEN YOU OPEN IT UP YOU OPEN IT UP.

THE REASON IT WAS AN AGREEMENT THAT CAME ABOUT WITH THE DEVELOPERS AND THE COMMISSION EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE SPOKE OUT AGAINST DOING THAT FOR THESE REASONS.

IT WAS A SLEEPY SLOPE AND WHAT HAPPENS. WITH THIS PARTICULAR ONE, IT MAKES SENSE ROUNDING THE CORNERS. BUT REMEMBER THE VILLAGE CENTERS WERE MEANT TO BE MIXED USE SPACES. UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING, YOU CAN'T SAY 100 ACRES. THERE WAS A TERM USED WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF RURAL COMMERCIAL. NOBODY AT THE ANSWER TO THAT.

AND YET THEY WENT AHEAD AND APPROVED THIS EVEN THOUGH THEY SPOKE AGAINST -- THEY COULD NOT APPROVE IT BECAUSE IT AFFECTED MORE THAN THE AREA BEING DISCUSSED.

THE DISCUSSION WENT TO THE EAST SIDE EAST OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY FORGOT ABOUT THE REST.

IT WAS DISHEARTENING THAT THEY SPOKE WELL BUT IT ENDED POORLY IN THAT DECISION.

IN THIS CASE, THIS IS THE MASTERPLAN PEOPLE PUT THEIR HEARTS INTO THIS SPIRIT THE GLOBAL CHANGE IS A DISSERVICE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INCOME AND IT HAS TO DO WITH HOUSES AND USE OF LAND. WE DON'T WANT TO BUMP OUR ELBOWS ON EVERY DOORSTEP.

>> CLARK? >> GOOD AFTERNOON I RESIDE AT COUNTY ROAD 209 COUNTY ROAD B.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR TIME ON THIS ISSUE REZONING SAND RIDGE ROAD SPIRIT 1ST AND FOREMOST, I BELIEVE BEFORE ALL OF THE GROWTH IS ALLOWED.

THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH. RIGHT NOW IT IS OPPOSITES OCCURRING. WE ARE TRYING TO PUT THIS WHERE 10,000 HOMES WILL BE BILLED.

THESE NEED TO BE ADDRESSED FIRST. YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IT BUT DEVELOPERS ARE LOOKING TO PURCHASE A 5-ACRE PROPERTY TO ALLOW ACCESS POINTS.

THAT IS ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL HAPPEN, BELIEVE ME. 400 ACRES.

AT THAT UP. I KNOW HE WANTS TO PUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS, AND CAN THERE BE A

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BUT IF WE WANT TO MAKE IT BIGGER. WHAT ABOUT WATER AND RIDGELINE.

WE WILL ALLOW THEM TO BE HOOKED UP TO THE SEWER SYSTEM AT NO CHARGE.

THAT IS A LUMP SUM. THIS IS REALLY JUST MAKING VACANT PROPERTIES MORE AVAILABLE. THIS IS FALLING INTO THE L.A. BC.

I KNOW THAT. I KNOW THE PRICES. CLAY COUNTY HAS BOND MONEY THAT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT LIKE IT SHOULD BE. I KNOW IF THERE IS MONEY OUT THERE WE NEED TO PUT THE PACE OUT THERE AND SPEEDED UP. COMMISSIONERS, IT IS YOUR FIGHT TO SHERRY RESPONSIBILITY TO ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND NOT PASS THIS UP. I COME FOR CONSIDERATION FROM THE BOARD.

ON APRIL 8 I REQUESTED INFORMATION ON CHANGING FUTURE USE OF MY HER E-MAILS WERE GIVEN AND I WAS TURNED AWAY BECAUSE MY LAND WAS NOT CONTINUOUS FOR RESIDENTIAL WERE NOT ALLOWED.

I WAS TOLD I WOULD BE WASTING MY TIME AND MONEY. NEVERTHELESS IT WAS RECOMMENDED THAT I GET MY NEIGHBORING PROPERTY TO INCREASE AND THEN I WOULD BE CONSTITUENTS.

THAT BEING SAID, THEY DID INCREASE HER SPIRIT NOW I AM ENABLING PROPERTY ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE. I HAVE SINCE APPLIED, ATTEMPTED AND APPLIED FOR MY 20 ACRES AGAIN TO BE CONSIDERED AND AGAIN I WAS TOLD I WAS WASTING MY TIME BUT I COMPLETED MY APPLICATION ANYWAY. CONSEQUENTLY THE EASTSIDE IS A RURAL COMMUNITY.

WHY MAKE IT URBAN. THIS WILL DISRUPT AND POSSIBLY DISPLACE LONGTIME RESIDENTS.

THAT BEING SAID, IT IS EXACTLY WHAT MRS. BETH AND MRS. ROBIN STATED THEY WOULD NOT ALLOW.

NEVERTHELESS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WOULD BE DOING IF IT IS PERMITTED ON THE EAST SIDE OF 209. PER E-MAIL, THE LAKE AS VARIED VILLAGE CENTER IS PART OF THE PROPERTY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED AS IT WOULD NEED TO BE CONTINUOUS AND THE PROPERTIES NEXT DOOR ARE

NOT ZONE. SORRY I DON'T HAVE BETTER NEWS. >> I PRAY THAT THE BOARD WILL TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION BEFORE ALLOWING IT ON THE EAST SIDE OF TOOL NINE.

ALSO JUST WAIT UNTIL THE CURRENT L.A. VC HAS BEEN DONE RESPECTIVELY.

MY CONCERNS ARE, THE CONTRADICTIONS WITHIN THE ZONING OFFICE, THE CURRENT RESIDENCE,

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THE EASTSIDE WAS APPLIED FOR APRIL 23. PERK A CONVERSATION ON OCTOBER 25 AND MINE STARTED APRIL 8. HE SAID HE APPLIED ON APRIL 23, AFTER I MET WITH ZONING. HE SAID THE STAFF RECOMMENDED HE APPLIED NOW.

IT WOULD ALSO IF YOU DID IT TO THE EAST SIDE, THEY WOULD NOT BE IN THE WALKING PROJECTION THAT YOU WERE PROPOSED TO DO. I ALSO HEARD THE SOUTH OF THE WESTSIDE, DID NOT WANT LAV SEE THERE EITHER BECAUSE THEY ARE RESIDENTIAL. I DON'T KNOW IF MOVING BACK UP AND KEEPING IT ON THE WEST SIDE, I DID HAVE TWO BIG PARCELS THERE FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> YOUR TIME IS UP. WIGGINS. >> ( INDISCERNIBLE ), YES, I REPRESENT 12 ACRES ON THE EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD. I APPLIED EARLIER THIS YEAR.

STAFF ASKED ME TOO PULL IT BACK BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE AREA APPEARED I THINK THE CAP DID A GREAT JOB HAVING LOGICAL BOUNDARIES THAT WILL WIDEN THE ROAD SO PEOPLE AT 209B, WILL HAVE MORE TROUBLE GETTING OUT. I KNOW THERE IS A PROBABLE -- PROPOSAL THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT THAT WOULD IMPACT DIRECTLY. IT ALSO HELPS IF I GET THE

TRAFFIC OFF OF RUSSELL ROAD. >> IS ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED AND COMMENTING AT THIS TIME?

>> WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION

CORRECTS. >> THIS HAS BEEN ME STAYING UP LATE AT NIGHT.

THEY ARE RIGHTLY SO IN 2006 IT WAS APPROVED. I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WE ARE STUCK WITH IT. IT IS COMING AT ONE TIME.

THE TREES ARE COMING AT ONE TIME. IT IS DISAPPOINTING.

IN REFERENCE TO THE HOMES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME TO US. JUST TO CLARIFY THAT.

I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE THE SIX PARCELS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD NEED TO BE COMPLETE AS FAR AS THIS AND THAT WOULD BRING IT ABOVE 75 ACRES. I DON'T HAVE PROBLEM IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE WALKABLE AND YES THAT IS TRUE. BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR COMMERCIAL. I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE IF THAT'S RIGHT WHAT HIS INTENT IS WITH

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FOR THAT, I WOULD RATHER NOT MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THIS TIME FOR THAT PROPERTY.

>> ANYONE ELSE? >> IS THERE A PLAN USE. >> THIS IS ANOTHER PART BECAUSE HE SAID AND THEY CLARIFIED YOU COULD NOT HAVE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT LOCATION FOR THIS. THAT WAS ANOTHER REASON WHY I SAID IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BUT I WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO LOOK AT THAT. YEAH BECAUSE, THE CURRENT ZONING, HE COULD BUILD A SCHOOL THERE WHICH WOULD HAVE WAY MORE TRAFFIC THAN RV AND BOAT STORAGE THIS ALLOWS FOR SCHOOL, GROUP HOME, TRIPLEX IS. THIS IS -- THIS IS WHY, I WAS ASKING FOR AN OPTION FOR COMMERCIAL OR NOT RESIDENTIAL. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO AND WILL SEND RV STORAGE WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM SITTING THERE. WHY DID YOU LET THEM BUILD A HOUSE ON THE TRACKS. I THINK THAT HAS TO BE HANDLED SEPARATELY.

I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS TO COME IN AND ASK US TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

I THINK AT THAT.THE VILLAGE CENTER SHOULD EXTEND ACROSS THE STREET MY BIGGEST PROBLEM, HERE WE HAVE WILL BE TALKED ABOUT AT THE BEGINNING. 75 ACRES OR WHATEVER NUMBER AND THE NEXT PIECE NEXT-DOOR WHERE DOES IT STOP. IT HAS TO BE CONTINUOUS.

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH GOING FROM 75 TO 100. WOULDN'T IT BE BETTER TO SAY IT

WAY WHERE WE WILL HAVE SO MANY AND MUCH. >> THEY ARE EXPANDING AND THEY WILL HAVE TO BUY RIGHT AWAY. WE HAVE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE.

>> WHEN WE SUBTRACT THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE, IT IS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.

>> THE SHE ACTUALLY HAVE AN APPLICATION IN. TO THE OTHER LAND OWNERS ACTUALLY HAVE LANDOWNERS -- APPLICATIONS TO CHANGE THIS. WE ARE CONSIDERING OTHER PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE APPLICATIONS RIGHT NOW. THIS IS A STAFF APPLICATION.

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JUST BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY ON THE WEST SIDE OF, 209.

>> THE BOTTOM LINE IS, CAN WE PUT THE SLIDE BACK UP WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY SPECIFICALLY RECOMMENDED OR BOTH. I THINK IT WAS THE LAST ONE. MIGUEL.

SO, THIS IS WHAT THEY APPROVED. THE ADDITIONAL IS THAT TIED UP IN THE RED AREA?

>> THEY APPROVED ALL OF THE CHANGES PROPOSED EXCEPT FOR THE PARCELS ON THE EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD. THAT MEANS THE TEXT AMENDED -- AMENDMENT TO CHANGE IT.

AT THIS VILLAGE CENTER. >> THOSE ARE THE ONES APPROACHING HUMMINGBIRD?

>> CAN WE LOOK AT THE MAPS AND YOU SHOW US AND WHOSE LAND IS WHERE.

SO, WHAT IS THIS RUSSELL OR SANDRIDGE? >> IT IS --

>> ARE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ASKING TO CHANGE OR DO WE DECIDE?

>> WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY INITIATED BUT WE DID TALK TO PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE WEBSITE.

>> THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NORTHEAST WITH THE CUL-DE-SAC THEY WILL LIVE RIGHT UNDER THE EXPRESSWAY? ON THAT ONE,.

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EXPAND HERS TOO MI UNDERSTANDING HER? >> CORRECT.

>> AS YOU LOOK IS A PARCEL, BEFORE THEY DID THAT ONE IT ONE CONTINUATION SO SHE WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU TAKE THE OTHERS, PUTS US AT A POINT OF 8.

>> THEY SAID YOU DON'T JUST CONTINUE GOING DOWN THE ROW. >> IF IT WAS 75 ACRES I HAVE NO PROBLEM SCRAPINGS OFF BUT THEN WE TRY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION I WILL HAPPEN WILL BE OUR ONLY GOT 50 ACRES. WE SHOULD HAD ANOTHER 52 MAKE IT WON HUNDRED.

>> WHEN I ASKED BETH TOLD ME IF I COULD GET MY NEIGHBOR TO GET HER ACRES OFF THE CORNER COULD THEN APPLY GET MINE DONE. THE VILLAGE CENTER WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ENOUGH TO BE CONTINUOUS AS THE PROPERTY NEXT DOOR ARE NOT ZONED. THEY WOULD NOT PUT BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONTINUOUS. WE WOULD NOT CONSIDER SPOT ZONING. THANKS NEVER TOLD ME THAT I COULD WRITE THEY WOULD NOT INCREASE IT OR MOVE IT NORTH. THESE AREN'T THEIR WORDS FROM THEIR E-MAILS WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I WENT DOWN THE 21ST. THEY CALLED HIM ON THE 23RD AND ASKED HIM TO APPLY TWO DAYS

AFTER WAS DOWN HERE. >> AT THIS POINT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO APPLIED WHEN.

HE WITHDREW HIS. >> UNDERSTAND. >> UNTIL WE MAKE A DETERMINATION

HOW BIG THE AREAS, YOU MAY BE OUT OF LUCK. >> I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY.

>> YOU HAVE DONE THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER CAN YOU CLARIFY

WHAT YOU DO SUPPORT. >> I DO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION BUT I ALSO WOULD LIKE STAFF TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS TO PROVIDE MR. WIGGINS PROPERTY WITH COMMERCIAL NOT

RESIDENTIAL. >> WHERE HE COULD DO RV AND BOAT DOORS.

PEOPLE LOVE THE NURSERY THERE. HE WOULD BE BEHIND THE NURSERY. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD

LOCATION FOR IT. A LOT LESS TRAFFIC. >> ALL OF THE E-MAILS THAT I GOT FROM THE PUBLIC AND SUMMER HERE TONIGHT, THEY SAID THEY DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RV AND

BOAT STORAGE. >> THEY DON'T WANT RESIDENTIAL'S TO COME THERE.

ON OUR SIDE OF THE ROAD IT WOULD BE A NIGHTMARE. >> THE ONLY PROBLEM WE CAN'T GRANT HIM THE ABILITY TO CHANGE ZONING. IT HAVE TO BE FOR SPECIFIC USE.

>> THERE ARE SOME FAVORABLE REMARKS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ABOUT HAVING AN RV AND BOAT STORAGE. I THINK THAT IS SEPARATE. SINCE HE WITHDREW --

>> AFTER ESTRADIOL. AS FAR AS THE OPTIONS. >> WE CANNOT THAT.

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YOU ARE OKAY WITH THE SITE STAYING ON THE WEBSITE. >> CORRECT.

>> AND SQUARING IT OF TO BE 82 ACRES OR DO YOU THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LEFT AT 35 ACRES.

>> I THINK WE SHOULD COMPLETE THE WESTSIDE PARTIALS. >> ARE WEAKENING RID OF THE

SMALL SEMI CIRCLE PIECES? >> THAT WOULD BE THESE THREE RIGHT HERE.

THIS LITTLE FRAGMENT. >> FILE PARCEL ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THOSE HALF CIRCLES ARE GONE. >> NO, THOSE REMAIN. WE WON'T RECOMMEND CHANGES

THERE. >> WHY CAN'T WE GET RID OF THOSE AND FILL OUT THE OTHER PART AND

MAKE IT 75 ACRES EVERYONE GOES HOME. >> DR HORTON OWNS THIS PIECE AND THIS PIECE. THEY HAVE NOT UP TO US WITH WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO DO.

>> THEN WE TAKE THAT DESIGNATION AS TO WHERE IT WOULD BE? >> I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT WHO OWNS IT. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME BUT IT MATTERS THAT IT STILL HAS, THE REASON YOU SAID WE HAVE TO FIX THE PROBLEM SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TWO PARCELS FOUND TWO DIFFERENT

WAYS OR WHATEVER THE TERMINOLOGY. >> WE DIDN'T WANT PARCELS

PARCELS. >> BUT WE WILL STILL END UP WITH PARCEL PARCELS.

YOU'RE ASKING, THE SOLID PINK, IF YOU ARE ASKING TO ELIMINATE THAT IT EXISTS UP AND WE DIDN'T

ASK FOR IT TO BE DELETED. >> WE COULD DO THAT, DOWN THE ROAD.

>> WE COULD DO THAT AND APPLY IT TO THE ACREAGE ON THE DARKER PINK.

POSSIBLY GET IN UNDER 75 ACRES THEN WE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GO 10. >> SUBPART OWNED BY DR HORTON,

WE ARE ACTUALLY ACQUIRING PART OF THAT. >> I AM JUST TRYING TO GET BACK TO WHY ARE WE DOING 100 ACRES WHY DON'T WE TO 75 AND MAKE IT WORK.

THEN MOVE ON FROM THERE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT HAS BEEN ARBITRARY.

I'M NOT SURE WE ARE READY TO APPROVE THIS, WHAT IS EVERYONE ELSE'S THOUGHTS? LET'S CONTINUE IT AND TAKE A SHOT AT IT THE NEXT MEETING. IT'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

>> I MOVE WE CONTINUE ITEM NUMBER 22. >> SECOND.

>> WE CAN DO THAT LOOK AT IT MAYBE NEXT MONTH AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU ALL. >> DO YOU WANT TO MOVE INTO THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING IN

NOVEMBER. >> THEN I HAVE TO CHANGE FIVE MOTION BECAUSE CONTINUE MEANS

ONLY ONE MEETING. >> I WOULD THINK NEXT MONTH. >> NOVEMBER 23.

[24.  5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing regarding purchase and development of Multi-Purpose Youth Sports Complex located off State Road 21, just north of State Road 16 - Consideration of (1) Independent Analysis of Public-Private Partnership Project; (2) Real Property Appraisal; (3) Purchase and Sale Agreement; and (4) Development Agreement]

PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING PURCHASE ON DEVELOPMENT OF MULTIPURPOSE YOUTH SPORTS COMPLEX LOCATED OFF STATE ROAD 21 JUST NORTH OF STATE ROAD 16 CONSIDERATION OF INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS OF PUBLIC TO PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP PROJECT REAL PROPERTY APPRAISAL AND PURCHASE

AGREEMEN. >> IT IS A $3 MILLION GRANT AND A MATCH.

WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE 250 ACRES FROM 1621 AND A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH 1621 AND A PARTNER THEY BROUGHT INTO DESIGN AND BUILD THE

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WE WOULD LIKE TO START WITH, WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CONSTRUCTION SO THEY CAN GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE PLAN AND THEN WE DO NEED TO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS DONE BY THE

AUDITOR. >> NATE DAY 3741 JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA.

THROUGH THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSIONER THANK YOU. I KNOW IT WAS ONE MONTH AGO WE WERE HERE. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME DEFERRALS I WANT TO GET YOU UP TO SPEED ON WHAT HAS CHANGED. I APOLOGIZE FOR SOME OF THE STUFF I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET SOME STUFF DONE. WE WANT TO GET THIS MOVING AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE KNOW THERE ARE DEADLINES. WE HAVE TRIED TO MAKE THIS SIMPLE AND FIT MOORING LINES OF WHAT IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE COUNTY AND WHAT WORKS FOR US. THE SIZE OF THE PARK AREA HAS INCREASED SINCE WE WERE HERE LAST TIME. WE HAVE THE WETLAND SPECIALIST SPECIALISTS OUT THERE TO DEFINE THE WETLAND LINES AND FIT EVERYTHING.

WE HAD TWO AT 50 ACRES TO THE LAND. I'M NOT CHANGING THE SALES PRICE IS JUST WHAT WE NEEDED TO GET DONE. THERE WAS ALSO, IN ORDER TO GET TO THE PURCHASE PRICE TO MAKE IT WORK, WE HAD A CREDIT IN THEIR FOR THE COUNTY TO BUY THE LAND AND GET WHAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE PROPERTY. BECAUSE OF TIMING WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO REDUCE THE PURCHASE PRICE BY THAT AMOUNT OF CEREAL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN EXCAVATED AND WE WILL TAKE THAT ON OUR SIDE AND DO OUTSIDE OF THE IMPROVEMENT.

IT WILL STILL BE BALLPARKS LAND IT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR THE PARK AND IT WILL STILL BE DELIVERED AS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BEFORE BUT IT MAKES A CLEANER FOR THE COUNTY.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE TIMING. GETTING THE MATERIAL SOLD.

WE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. WE WILL JUST REDUCE THE PRICE SO THIS IS ONE OF THE APPRAISAL CAME BACK AT. THAT MAKES IT SIMPLER FROM THAT STANDPOINT WE ALSO WANTED TO SAY OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DESIGN FIRM HERE.

I KNOW THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT DOING THIS. WE HAVE DONE THIS IN THE PAST.

I THINK I TOLD YOU LAST TIME ON A SMALL SCALE WE HAVE DONE THAT. WE RELY MORE ON THE EXPERIENCE THAT CARLTON CONSTRUCTION HAS. WHAT WE PROPOSE NOW IS STILL US AS THE OWNER BUT A MORE DIRECT A RELATIONSHIP TO WORK THROUGH THAT. THERE'S BEEN UPDATED BUDGETS AND SITE PLANS. WE DO HAVE THE ENGINEER THAT CARLTON FOUND THAT WILL SEE THROUGH THE PROCESS. IT IS IN A MUCH BETTER FORM. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE HAD OUR SURVEYORS OUT THERE WE ARE READY TO CLOSE SO THE COUNTY CAN MOVE FORWARD.

I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I WILL LET CHARLES GIVE YOU A

QUICK OVERVIEW ON CARLTON. >> GOOD EVENING CHARLES GARRISON.

IM CARLTON CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. I'M SURE MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE OF CALLED CONSTRUCTION. IT WAS FOUNDED IN 2005. TODAY WE ARE MIXED IMMUNITIES.

HIGH-END RESIDENTIAL. TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE AND ARE DOING WE DID PROBABLY I WOULD SAY 90% OF THE AMENITIES AND ( INDISCERNIBLE ) THAT JUST SHOWS YOU THE LEVEL OF QUALITY. WE JUST STARTED A $35 MILLION DESIGN BUILD PROJECT AND JUST FINISHED AN 8 MILLION-DOLLAR PROJECT WITH THEM ALL DESIGN BUILD SPIRIT THIS IS DEFINITELY IN OUR WHEELHOUSE AND WE FEEL CONFIDENT WE CAN DO A GREAT JOB. CLAY COUNTY IS OUR HOME.

I GREW UP IN CLAY HILL. THE PROJECT MANAGER LIVES 5 MINUTES FROM HERE.

MATT LIVES 5 MINUTES FROM HERE. WE ARE EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

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THIS IS OUR BREAD AND BUTTER. WE FEEL CONFIDENT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,

I HAVE -- I'M HERE TO ANSWER THEM. >> I JUST WANT DRIVE SPIRIT WE HAVE THE LAYOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS AFTER THE FIRST PHASE?

>> WE HAVE BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH IS THIS THE MOST CURRENT CORRECTS.

>> I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT WHAT WE ARE BUYING. >> YOU WOULD GET THE TOTAL OF THE 250 ACRES. WE HAVE A TIME PERIOD IN WHICH WE WILL EXCAVATE THE POND.

YOU WILL ROUGHLY GET A POND. IN THE PHASE ONE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL INCLUDE ENTRY, ROAD, MULTIPURPOSE FIELDS, SAND AND VOLLEYBALL COURTS. AREAS FOR TRACKS.

RESTROOMS. AND AGAIN THE WAY THE PROPOSAL IS WRITTEN OUT, ONCE THE ENGINEERING PLANS HAVE BEEN FINISHED AND THE CONSTRUCTION, WE TRY TO ESTIMATE ON THE HIGH-END. ANYTHING LEFT OVER FOR NUMBER COMES DOWN THERE IS A LIST THAT CAN BE ADDED LIKE LIGHTNING OF THE FIELD THERE WE LOOKED AT AS AN OPTION.

THERE'S OTHER STUFF, ADDITIONAL THINGS WE CAN ADD ON ONCE WE GET FOR CONCRETE PLANS.

WHEN WE GET TO FINAL CONSTRUCTION PLANS, WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE NUMBERS WILL BE. YOU WLL SEE ON THE BUDGET THERE ARE PETITIONER IONS.

BUT THIS IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TODAY AS PART OF THE AGREEMENT.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> SORT OF. >> OF WHAT WAS TAKEN AWAY?

>> WE ARE GETTING -- >> CAN I READ IT. I JUST KINDA RODE IT OUT SO IT IS DIVERSE -- DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION WITH THE ROADWAY AND A MONUMENT SIGN THAT IS LAID AT THE ROAD. I TRIED TO ESTIMATE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPOTS THAT WERE THERE

>> TEN VOLLEYBALL COURTS. THERE'S A SMALL OFFICE AND RESTROOMS. THERE ARE TWO STATIC STRUCTURES, SHADE STRUCTURES. SEVENTEEN BY 1736 BY 36.

>> A LARGER WON AND TWO SMALLER ONES. >> THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING

THAT. >> TWO PODS THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE 20-ACRE POND ON ANOTHER PART OF THIS. COULD YOU TELL US THE LENGTH OF THE STABILIZED TRAILS?

>> WE WILL LAY THOSE OUT SO THEY FIT WITHIN WHATEVER INFRASTRUCTURES COMING IN.

>> SO THE BOARD KNOWS THAT IS A. >> THE TRAIL WILL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE FUTURE PHASES OF THE PARK. BUT WE WILL TRY TO PLACE THEM WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO RIP THEM OUT. WE WILL PLACE THEM WITH THE FUTURE IN MIND.

>> MAY BE GOING THROUGH AREAS THAT ARE WOOD AND NOT DEVELOP. LIKE WRITING THE TRAIN AT THE

ZOO. >> I THINK, AND JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON BACK, I THINK IT COVERS EVERYTHING. WHEN HE HAD TO LOOK AT THIS WITH THE INCREASE OF SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT AND LABOR. THERE WAS A DOG PARK PROPOSED IN ITEM NUMBER 12.

THERE IS A DOG PARK THERE WAS A PLAYGROUND. THERE WAS A CONCESSION BUILDING BUT INSTEAD OF CONCESSION WE TALKED ABOUT AN AREA FOR FOOD TRUCKS.

THAT ALSO TOOK OUT KITCHEN EQUIPMENT THAT WAS THERE. FOUNTAINS THAT WERE IN THERE.

BLEACHERS WERE REMOVED AND FINALLY THE FIELD LIGHTING. THOSE WERE THE THINGS MOVED TO

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TO PAY FOR THAT OVER TO THE OTHER ADD ON ITEMS. >> AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS THE COUNTIES MONEY. THERE IS NO GAIN OR GAMEPLAY. IF THE NUMBERS COME IN BETTER,

WE WILL HAVE ROOM TO ADD MORE. >> DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THIS PLAN COSTS TOTAL? WE ARE BUYING PHASE $146 MILLION BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE STUFF ON THIS PAPER AND IT'S EASY TO DRAW LINES. WE HAVE ANOTHER $6 MILLION INVESTMENT TO FINISH THIS OUT?

>> WE DID NOT PRICE OUT THE FULL PROJECT BUT COMMISSIONER JUST TO YOUR POINT, PART OF THE 6 MILLION IS PART OF THE PURCHASE AND THAT DESIGN. THE OVERALL DESIGN IS THREE AND THREE QUARTERS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION THE FULL SIX IS NOT JUST FOR THIS SPIRIT I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY, BY NEXT MONTH TO PRICE OUT THERE

SOMETHING WE CAN DO. >> I WOULD SAY THERE ARE STRICT TIMELINES FOR THE GRANT MONEY AND THE DESIGN AND BUILD. THAT IS A HUGE TIMEFRAME WHERE WE HAVE LIQUIDATED DAMAGES.

IF WE DON'T MEET THAT, DEFERRED IT WOULD NOT BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR ANYONE.

>> I GET THAT BUT TWO MONTHS FROM NOW SOMEONE WILL SAY YOU SAID THIS WOULD COST $6 MILLION AND NOW YOU'RE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY. I WANT TO SAY, THIS PROJECT IS WHATEVER IT IS, WE ARE PAYING $6 MILLION FOR THE FIRST INSTALLMENT TO GET THIS THING STARTED. I JUST WANT TO GET THAT CLEAR. I WOULD ALSO SEE LESS RACK LIKE TO SEE A BUDGET ESTIMATE. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE HAVE TO DO HERE.

>> THE NICE PART, IT CAN BE DONE IN PHASES. IF WE DON'T GET BEYOND PHASE

ONE, WE HAVE AN ACTIVE FACILITY WITH WALKING TRAILS. >> YOUR POINT, AFTER WE GET THE INITIAL FACILITY, WE CAN DECIDE IF THESE ARE THINGS WE WANT TO DO ARE GOING TO DIFFERENT

DIRECTION. >> I AGREE WITH YOU. >> SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A LITTLE

BIT AND ALIVE. >> YOU ALWAYS SAY WHAT IS THE ALWAYS -- OVERALL PLAN.

WE DID NOT WANT TO WRITE UP -- BITE OFF TOO MUCH THEN WE CAN CHEW.

WE HAVE TO BUY THE PROPERTY -- WE INTEND A HIGH USAGE. IT IS A DEFINITE NEED.

HOW MANY FACILITIES EXIST, I THINK YOU WILL BE SURPRISED. WE MAY BE FIRST THAT THE CAVE,

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WE WILL BE FIRST TO THE PLATE. >> WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THE POND?

>> I DON'T -- THAT WHAT IS A GOAL AND A FUTURE. I'M NOT SAYING IT HAPPENING

TOMORROW. >> I HAVE LIABILITY ISSUES. >> IS IT A RETENTION POND?

>> I HAVE TONS OF WATER. >> PART OF THIS FOR ME IS PROTECTING 250 ACRES OF SPACE WE DON'T WANT TO BECOME WHAT THE COMMISSIONER HAS TO FIGHT. BUT WOULD IT PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR RECREATION FOR PEOPLE IN OUR ACCOUNTING WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS.

WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ROAD FOR BLACK CREEK. YOU CAN'T EASILY GET ON IT UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMEONE. A LOT OF THE LAKES ARE PRIVATE. I THINK WHAT THIS PROVIDES IS PERFECTED GREEN SPACE FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO IT.

SO FOR HER TO GO FISHING WOULD BE IDEAL. >> I WAS AT MY DAUGHTER'S SOCCER TOURNAMENT. THEY HAVE THIS WITH THE WATERPARK.

IT WAS AMAZING. THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE COME AND THE AMOUNT WE BRING IN, IT WILL

BE A GREAT BOOST FOR US. I'M VERY EXCITED. >> ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL 800 ACRES. CAN WE TAKE ADVANTAGE. SOME OF THIS ALLOWS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THOSE PURCHASES TO. THERE THEY WILL HAVE. I THINK ALL OF THAT PLAYS WELL TOGETHER. THERE ARE OTHER ASPECTS AS WE BECOME GOOD NEIGHBORS.

THIS IS INSIDE THE BUFFER THAT THEY NEED. >> MY MISSION IS WITH THE

OBLIGATION AFTER PHASE ONE. >> OUR ONLY REQUIREMENT IS DON'T BUILD HOMES THERE.

THE ONLY OBLIGATION IS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE THE AREA. >> THE POND IS NEXT TO A ROAD WE ALREADY HAVE. WE DON'T PLAN ON COMING THROUGH TO EXPORT THE MATERIAL.

WE DO HAVE A TIME. TO FINISH AND THAT'S IT. THERE IS FUTURE OBLIGATION.

WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT TURN OUT BEAUTIFUL BUT THERE'S NO OBLIGATION.

>> THANK YOU. COURTNEY DID YOU WANT TO. >> WEEKEND THROW IT TO HEATHER

AND THEN WE CAN GO OVER THE OTHER DOCUMENTS. >> HEATHER AND AS COURTNEY SAID I DID THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS WHICH INCLUDES THE LAND PURCHASE AND THE PHASE ONE PART OF THE PARK. THIS IS A HIGH LEVEL VIEW. IT IS 250 ACRES.

IN THE APPRAISAL FOR THE CURRENT ZONING IT WAS APPRAISED AT 250 ACRES WE ALSO ASKED IN THE

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>> SO THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE PROJECT COST THAT I PERFORMED. THE TOTAL PRICE ON THAT IS 3,070,000. I COMPARED IT WITH SIMILAR PROJECTS AND COUNTIES AND THE FEASIBILITY STUDY AND WITH THE SPECIFIC SPIRIT WHEN I BRIEFED ALL OF YOU ABOUT THIS ONE MONTH OR SO AGO AS NATE MENTIONED THERE HAVE BEEN SOME UPDATES. WE TALKED ABOUT THE UPDATES ON THE SLIDES. INCREASE COSTS, ENGINEERING AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE PUSHED OFF TO FURTHER PHASES. THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE PUSHED OFF WERE INCLUDED IN MY ORIGINAL EVALUATION. SO I GUESS I HAVE VALIDATED THE COSTS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS NOT TO SAY THOSE PRICES WON'T INCREASE BUT WE HAVE A BASELINE OF THOSE COSTS. THIS IS SOME OF THE PARK COMPARISONS I TALKED ABOUT.

OFFICE BUILDINGS WITH RESTROOMS, AND THEN THESE OTHER THREE PROJECTS ARE THE ONES I FOUND SIMILAR TO THE ONES I USE FOR COMPARISON. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS LESS EXPENSIVE. I BELIEVE WERE GETTING MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK.

ALSO OUR MULTI USE TRAIL. YOU CAN SEE THE PRICE TAG IS A LOT MORE.

THE TOTAL 22 MILLION. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT.

>> THEY HAVE SIX BASEBALL& FIELDS. >> PLAY WITH BN BATTING CAGES.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT'S COMPARABLE. I ALSO BELIEVED THAT INCLUDED THE LAND COST BUT I MAY BE WRONG. THIS FACILITY IS AN INTERFACILITY. I GOT DETAILS INFORMATION IS ON THAT ONE FOR THE ADMIN COSTS.

[04:15:03]

LANDING REQUIREMENTS WHICH IS THE LIGHTING. >> I PERSONALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM

WITH THAT. >> THAT IS JUST A BIG DISCLOSURE.

>> OVER 100 ACRES. >> THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THEY ARE WIDENING STATE ROAD 100.

>> WHAT WE WOULD ASK IS SIMILAR TO HOW WE HANDLED THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PURCHASE.

WE WOULD LIKE FOR THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE PURCHASE AND SALE.

BUT WILL GET TO THE CLOSING WE WANT THE CLOSING MANAGER TO DO THAT SO WE CAN FACILITATE THAT AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE TITLE THAT IS ALL IN REGARDS TO THE PURCHASE AND SALE.

IN CONNECTION WITH A DEVELOPMENTAL AGREEMENT THERE ARE TWO REVISIONS THAT WERE MADE TO THE DOCUMENT ON THE AGENDA. WANTED TO CORRECT THE SPELLING OF OWNER IN A CERTAIN.

THE OTHER ONE IS WE INCLUDED THE CONCEPTUAL BUDGET AS PART AS ATTACHMENT A.

IT ORIGINALLY ONLY HAVE THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN. NOW WE HAVE INCLUDED THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AS WELL AS THE BUDGET AS PART OF THE ATTACHMENT.

THOSE WERE THE ONLY REVISIONS MADE. >> IS THE ZONING TAKEN CARE OF

TOO AT THIS POINT? >> IT'S NEXT. >>

>>

>> THE ONLY THING I WANT TO KNOW IS THAT, WE NEED TO APPROVE MORE OF A BUDGET LIKE NOT TO EXCEED FOUR PHASE ONE. WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER PARTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

WE HAVE OTHER PARTS THAT NEED ATTENTION I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE WHERE IS THE PARK MONEY GOING BECAUSE THIS BECOME SEXY. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BUILT FOR YEARS AND YEARS.

IF ONE WE DO THE SCHEDULE, IF FOR SOME REASON IT CONCEDES THE CONCEPTUAL BUDGET WE HAVE TO REDUCE IT TO COME INTO THE ORDER THE CONCEPTUAL BUDGET IS THREE-POINT SERMON.

[04:20:03]

>> 3.75. >> THIRD GRANT IS FOR $3 MILLION AND WE HAVE TO MATCH IT BY

THREE. >> SO WE WILL NOT EXCEED $6 MILLION.

>> IN THE NUMBER OF FIELDS IT DECIDES WHAT THE COUNTY DECIDES TO WHAT THEY WANT.

>> THIS DEVELOPED OFF OF A FEW HARD NUMBERS AND THEN VERY RECENT HISTORICAL DATA.

I WILL GIVE YOU MY COLLEGE TRY, WE WILL BUT IF SOMETHING CRAZY HAPPENS, WE COULD END UP WITH

EIGHT FIELDS. >> THERE IS A CONTINGENCY FIELDS INTO THIS FOR THESE ITEMS.

BUT IS THERE ENOUGH. >> THROUGH THE PRICING EXERCISE, WE FEEL CONFIDENT.

I WOULD NOT BE STANDING HERE IF WE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE. >> THANK YOU.

THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0. A LOCAL FIRM GREAT REPRESENTATION WE APPRECIATE

[25.  5:00 pm or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Z 21-08, Rezoning approximately 250 acres from AG to PO-2. (Comm. Condon, District 4) Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve ( M. Brown)]

MICHAEL BROWN. >> AFTER YOUR PREVIOUS ACTION, THE SECOND PART ALLOWS YOU TO WHAT YOU WANT OUT THERE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING. THIS IS REZONING 250 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURE. I WILL TRY TO RUSH THROUGH THIS. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. THE ZONING IS AGRICULTURE AND THE PURPOSES FOR THE SPORTS COMPLEX. THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED ON SEPTEMBER SEVENTH TWO RECOMMEND APPROVAL.

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? NO. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE ELSE? LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE HEARING FOR THIS ITEM IS OPEN DOES ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOVED TO APPROVE NOVEMBER OCEAN AND THE SECOND.

[04:25:06]

[11.  Discussion of Proposed Redistricting Maps]

>> CAN YOU PLEASE BRING UP THE TWO MAPS. >> TONIGHT WE ARE ASKING.

>> AS WE DISCUSSED, IN THE 2020 SENSES YOU NOW HAVE TO REDISTRICT FEAR WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD, STAFF. WE BROUGHT TO TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION.

WE WILL PUT THIS THEN YOU WILL HAVE A READING TO ADOPT THE FOLLOWING BOARD MEETING.

THAT MISS ANYTHING COURTNEY? THIS TIME WE CAN SHOW YOU THE MAP THE OTHER MAP, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING THE 5V MATT WILL TAKE INTO CONCERN -- CONSIDERATION PUBLIC COMMENTS BETWEEN THE TWO BOARD MEETINGS. THEN YOU WILL ADOPT A MAP, AND THEN TWO WEEKS LATER YOU WILL ADOPT THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS OF SAID MAP. THAT WOULD GIVE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS TIME TO DRAW NEW BOUNDARIES TO MEET THE DEADLINE THAT EVERYONE IS OBLIGATED FOR.

>> >> OUT OF WE MECHANICALLY TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AND TURN IT INTO

SOMETHING YOU CAN EVALUATE. >> CURRENTLY IF YOU APPROVE THIS WHEN IT GOES ON THE WEBPAGE WE WILL PUBLISH THE E-MAIL ADDRESS. I WILL PUT THIS IN A SPREADSHEET AND DELIVER THOSE TO YOU ON A DAILY BASIS BETWEEN NOW AND TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

>> WENT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL E-MAILS, HOW DO YOU DISPERSE THOSE SPIRIT I DON'T MIND TAKING THE COMMENTS AND COMPILING THEM TOGETHER AND ROUNDING THEM BACK OUT TO EACH OF YOU.

>> ON THIS ISSUE HOW DO WE GET THIS TO EVERYONE SO IT CAN BE LOOKED THAT HOW DO WE GET THIS PUT THIS PUT ON A MAP SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE GOOD IDEA. IN CASE THERE IS ONE OUT THERE.

>> SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO PRODUCE A MAP THAT HAS THE DATA. THERE'S DIFFERENT STIPULATIONS.

SO UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS THE DATA THE BOUNDARIES HAVE TO BE CLEAR AND CONCISE.

IT HAS TO FOLLOW SUIT. I THINK THE OPTION WOULD BE I THINK WE NEED ANOTHER MEETING OF SPACE. FOURTEEN DAYS IS NOT ENOUGH NINE.

WE LOOK AT THE SPREADSHEET AND THEN WE ASKED YOU TO PRODUCE A MAP TO EVALUATE BEFORE WE VOTE

[04:30:04]

ON IT. >> TEN YEARS AGO HOW DID YOU PUBLICIZE THE MAP?

>> FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCESS WE FOLLOWED TEN YEARS AGO. WE PRODUCED A SET OF MAPS, PUT THEM OUT TO THE PUBLIC. WE GOT VERY LITTLE FEEDBACK. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE SAME

PROCESS TEN YEARS AGO. >> THESE MAPS HAVE BEEN OUT FOR FIVE DAYS?

>> THEY HAVE BEEN OUT SINCE WE POSTED THE AGENDA ON THURSDAY. >> SO FIVE DAYS.

>> BUT I DON'T EXPECT WE WILL GET ANY REAL FEEDBACK UNTIL HE GOES TO THE PAPER THEY PUBLISH

THE PAPER. >> THE MAPS WON'T GO INTO THE PAPER.

WHAT WE HAVE ADVERTISES THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.

>> OKAY. >> WE CERTAINLY CAN ASK THE EDITOR TO SEE IF HE CAN PUT THEM

IN. I'M SURE HE WOULD,. >> THE NEW REPORTER WAS HERE BUT

HE (. >> HE TOLD ME THAT THEY WATCH ONLINE.

>> I THINK HE SAID HIS NAME IS NICK. >> HE HAD A SECOND TOUR HERE

TODAY. >> I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FOR THE BOARD'S KNOWLEDGE AND THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION WITH REGARDS TO THE MAPS THE AMOUNT OF WORK PUT INTO THESE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, I AGREE THERE'S SOMEONE OUT THERE WHO WOULD HAVE AN IDEA. THAT TYPE OF THE DEAL, THOSE GREAT IDEAS, IS IT EASY ENOUGH TO PUT ON A WEBSITE ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS?

IS IT LIKE SEVEN REQUIREMENTS? >> I WAS APPROACHED MONDAY EVENING, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THIS AND PUT IT DOWN THERE. IT'S A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT THAN THAT.

IF YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THESE ITEMS, WE ARE OPEN TO IT. THAT IS MY INPUT.

>> I THINK WE CAN GET THE WORD OUT TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND WE CAN'T ESTABLISH A LINK SO PEOPLE CAN GO TO THE MAP AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. YOU WILL GET PEOPLE WHO WILL RESPOND BUT THEY WON'T HAVE A SOLUTION OTHER THAN MOVE ME, I THINK, IT IS WORTHWHILE TO GET THAT OUT BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THE TIMING. OTHERWISE, WE WILL BE DOING THE DESCRIPTION IN THE MIDDLE OF DECEMBER. OF WE HAVE HAD THESE TWO MAPS ON OUR WEBSITE FOR FIVE DAYS. WE HAD ONE PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT.

IF WE ARE INCONSISTENT THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO HEAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY DISTRICT BUT I THINK GETTING THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR NOT BEING ACCUSED OF THINGS.

[04:35:03]

>> THAT IS WHAT YOU INDICATED. LOOKING AT THE DISTRICTS OTHER THAN TWEAKING HERE AND THERE.

MY DISTRICT CHANGES THE MOST COMMISSIONER BURKS IS TIED BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT I DO IS TRY TO HER. THE ONLY DISCUSSION I HAVE HEARD SINCE WE PUT THE MAPS OUT IS TO PEOPLE AND BOTH WERE LOOKING TO RUN FOR COUNTY COMMISSION. OTHER THAN THAT I HAVE NOT HEARD A WORD FROM ANYONE. NOT TO SAY THAT NO ONE WILL TAKE US UP ON WHAT WE PUT OUT, BUT IF IT PLEASE THE BOARD I WOULD GO WITH ONE THAT LOOKS LIKE A CONSENSUS.

>> >> HOW DO YOU FEEL ON 5B? >> I LIKE GREEN COVE.

AM OKAY WITH IT. DOES THAT WORK FOR US I HAD SOMEONE SAY IF WE GO WITH THAT

ONE THEY WOULD GO TO THE I SCHOOL. >> AND THEY COULD COME BACK AND DO THAT BUT -- IS LIKELY THEY WOULD -- FOR THE REASONS THERE'S JUST TOO MANY PEOPLE.

THEY WERE PROPOSING THAT AS FAR BACK AS WHEN I WAS ON THE SCHOOL BOARD.

>> I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ONES THEY HELD. I THINK, I THINK IT WILL BE VOTED ON. UNFORTUNATELY THE NEWS MEDIA HAS IS THE SAME TERM FOR REDISTRICTING THE SCHOOLS. THEY ARE USING THE SAME TERM FOR THIS PROCESS.

>> IF THEY WENT TO REZONING THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT. >> WE HAVE THE SAME TERM FOR TWO

DIFFERENT PURPOSES BECAUSE OF THE TIMING. >> DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON IT OR

DO WE JUST HAVE THE CONSENSUS. ". >> WE WILL PROMOTE THAT WITH THE

SOCIAL MEDIA WEBSITE. >> OKAY. >> A PLAN FOR PROSPECTIVE FIRE

[12.  Request for Prospective Buyer Lien Reduction for Tyrone Flagler (C. Stewart)]

-- FIRE. SURETIES. >> ARE WE ALMOST DONE.

I JUST GOT A TEXT THAT THE BRAVES ARE UP. LET'S TALK FAST SPIRIT THIS IS

HERE. >> PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN MAY OF THIS YEAR.

[04:40:12]

WOULD BE HERE BUT THEY ARE NOT. >> PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AFTER IT WAS ALREADY CLEANED UP.

>> HE HAS A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE. >> DID THEY INDICATE THEY HAD A

LIEN ON THE PROPERTY? >> YES THEY DID. HOW DID THEY TELL YOU THAT, AT

THE CLOSING CORRECT. >> THEY TOLD ME THAT AHEAD OF TIME.

CLOSING HAD NOT TAKEN PLACE YET, I'M BUYING THE HOME WITH A A LOAN.

THAT IS PART OF THE CONDITION FOR CLOSING. I VERIFIED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT

THE ISSUE HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. >> I KNOW WE HAVE DONE THIS A MILLION TIMES JUST A DIFFERENT DAY. BUT THE COMPANY EATS BUYING THE

PROPERTY FROM, IS IT BP -- BE BE >> IN MORE PEANUTS. BAYONNE ANOTHER 10-11 PROPERTIES

IN CLAY COUNTY. >> FOUR ON THE APPLICATION. IF YOU LOOK ON THE PROPERTY

APPRAISAL SITES, THEY ARE IN TRANSITION. >> THEY LISTED FOUR OF THEM.

I LOOKED THEM UP ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE. FINDS TO VAMPIRIC.

>> NOT TO THEM. ANY OTHER PROPERTY,. >> THE FIRST OF ALL REGULAR TO DISTRICT FOUR ARM YOUR COMMISSIONER. WE WILL THINK POSITIVE HERE.

I THINK IT IS UNFORTUNATE THIS IS THE SITUATION. THEY NEED TO FIX THIS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. CAN WE HAVE THEM PUT INTO HIS CLOSING PAPERWORK 27,000 AND OR WHENEVER WE AGREE TO COMES TO US OUT OF THE CLOSING.

>> IT GOES TO HIM. IF WE HAVE A BIG CORPORATION FIND THIS STUFF UP, AND PASSING

THESE LIENS ALONG THAT IS NOT GOOD. >> TWO HOURS CITIZENS CAN I SAY REALLY QUICKLY, HOW MANY -- I MEAN, THE RETIRED NAVY VETERAN. ME AND MY FAMILY HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A HOME FOR A WHILE. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF CLAY COUNTY FOR 15 YEARS.

I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER REDUCING THE FINES BECAUSE, IT IS A VA LOAN AND

THEY WON'T ALLOW ME TO CLOSE WITH THE LIEN ON THE PROPERTY. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE

[04:45:02]

OF IT. >> WITH THOUGHT INSULTING ANYONE ELSE, YOU ARE OKAY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH A LIEN ON IT DON'T YOU ON THE LIEN? SO IF THEY HAVE THE LIEN AND OTHER PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT

HOMESTEAD, THIS IS NOT HOMESTEAD >> WEDNESDAY ROCCO -- TALK ABOUT PROPERTY IT WAS ONLY RESPECT TO

THIS PROPERTY. >> HE CAN'T IF WE DON'T RELEASE THIS YOU CANNOT SELL THIS TO

ANYONE. >> HE CAN'T UNTIL HE SATISFIES MOLINE OR THE PERSPECTIVE BUYER

ASSUMES THEY WILL PAY IT. >> BUT HIS VA LOAN WON'T ALLOW HIM TO PURCHASE THE PROPER -- PROPERTY. WHY -- WHATEVER WE SAY IT WILL BE, CHILD THEM THAT THIS IS THE AMOUNT THAT HAS TO BE PAID, I WANT TO BUY YOUR HOUSE BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY IT NOW BECAUSE IF YOU COME TO THE BOARD AGAIN WE WILL SAVE THE SAME THING TO THE NEXT PERSON SO THEY HAVE TO CLEAR THE LIEN OUT. WHENEVER THE AMOUNT. WE DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE A -- NOT HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE EITHER. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET TO A SOLUTION.

>> THAT'S LOGICAL BUT UNFORTUNATELY THEY CAN JUST HOLD ON IT.

>> HE DID NOT HAVE TO COME TO US THEY COULD HAVE JUST TAKING IT DOWN THE ROAD AND CONTINUE DOING

THAT. >> IF HE HAD NOT COME TO US WE HAD NOT -- WE WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN THE PROPERTY HAD BEEN SOLD. SO, WHAT IS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE HERE? I WANT THE MAN TO HAVE HIS HOME. I'M GLAD HE WANTS TO LIVE THERE AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IF HE WAS VOTING FOR ME. BUT I DO MOVE THAT WE GRANT -- IF WE HAVE NO OTHER PROCESS IN PLACE MY MOTION IS WE FORGIVE THE LOAN FOR MR. FLAGGER BECAUSE THAT IS WHO ASKED US TO DO IT. IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT WE CAN'T APPLY TO THE HOME BUT HOPEFULLY AT SOME P CHANGE THE PROCESS BUT THAT IS DRIVEN BY STATUTE, CORRECT.

>> IF YOU REMEMBER ONE OF THE FORECLOSURE CASES. WHEN YOU DO A FORECLOSURE IT DOES FOLLOW YOU. BUT THEY DID NOT FORECLOSE ON IT.

>> DID THEY BUY IT AT A TAX SALE? >> IT WAS IN MAY WHEN THEY

PURCHASED IT. >> WHY DIDN'T WE FORECLOSE IT. >> I THINK THE FOLKS LIVING

THERE IT WAS A HOMESTEAD WITH THEM. >> MY MOTION IS THAT WE FORGIVE

THE LOAN. >> THE FINE. >> A FINE.

>> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 3-TO.

>> CONGRATULATIONS. >> WELCOME HOME. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS, YOU

[13.  Award of Bid No. 20/21-63 Historic Courthouse Restoration (K. Smith)]

GUYS HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. >> OKAY, NUMBER 13. THE AWARD BID NUMBER 20-21 -- 63 HISTORIC COURTHOUSE RESTORATION. MY GOODNESS IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.

>> I AM EXCITED TO GET THIS PROJECT STARTED THIS IS FOR THE HISTORICAL COURTHOUSE.

THERE ARE THREE FUNDING SOURCES WE RECEIVED A GRANT FOR THE ROOF WORK.

WE RECEIVED A GRANT FOR THE STRUCTURAL WORK. IT IS RESTORATION OF THE STUCCO AND WINDOWS. WE ADDED IN ANOTHER COMPONENT. THEIR STRUCTURAL WORK THAT

[04:50:05]

REVERENCE WAS THE LOW BID. THERE THE LOCAL COMPANY THAT TOTAL CONSTRUCTION AMOUNT IS $516,630. WE RECOMMEND APPROVING THE AWARD OF THE BID AND APPROVAL OF THE

CONSTRUCTION AGREEMENT ATTACHED. THE TOTAL AMOUNT WAS? >> THE GRANT FOR THE ROOF WAS $50,000 AND WE HAD TO MATCH THAT. WE HAD TO SET ASIDE $100,000 FOR THAT. AMOUNT WAS 254.RESTORATION PROJECT.

WE RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 300,000 DOLLARS. >> WE WILL KICK IN THE $216,000.

>> WE RECENTLY GOT A 120 DAY EXTENSION SO WE FELT LIKE WE COULD GET THIS CONTRACT IF WE

STARTED QUICKLY. IT'S SUCH A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. >> THEY DO GREAT WORK.

HE RESTORED THE GAS STATION. HE DID A REALLY NICE JOB. >> HAVE A QUESTION.

>> HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN BREWING IN THE COUNTY? >> 2019I THINK WE APPLIED FOR

THE FIRST GRANT. -- >> THAT'S THREE YEARS.

>> TWO YEARS. >> WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE GRANT YOU DON'T GET AWARDED FOR A YEAR IT'S FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR. SO, WAITING ON THE GRANT FUNDS AT BOTH PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT

HAD TO BE DESIGNED. >> TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS, 2018? >> I CAN'T TELL YOU IF IT WAS AT THE BEGINNING OR THE END. THE FIRST GRANT WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL.

THE SECOND ONE WE WERE FOR THE 50,000. THE THIRD IS PUSH THROUGH WITH

LEGISLATIVE SESSION. >> HOW WAS THE COURTHOUSE. IT'S A HISTORICAL BUILDING SO 1890. IS ACTUALLY WE EXPANDED THE SCOPE AND HAD TO GO BACK AND

EXPAND OUR AGREEMENT WITH THE DESIGN FIRM. >> FULLY THEY DON'T FIND OTHER

ISSUES. >> THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION SAY AYE IT CARRIES 5-0.

[14.  Notice of Intent and Award of Bid #20/21-41, SR 15A (Pine Ave.) Pedestrian Bridge/Sidewalk Improvement Project and the Accompanying Agreement (R. Smith)]

WE WILL GO TO NUMBER 14. >> THESE ARE TWO EXCITING PROJECTS.

AGAIN, THIS IS FUNDING THAT WE BELIEVED. THERE'S NINE BRIDGES IN NEED OF PRAYER. WE RECOMMEND AVOIDING THREE OF THE PREACHES TO ALLOW US TO USE WE RECEIVED. THAT, WE HAVE BEFORE I DO THE& BID IN THE AGREEMENT AND THIS IS

SUPERIOR CONTRACTING AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO GETTING THIS STARTED. >> I CAN TELL YOU.

I GET PLENTY OF CALLS WHEN THIS WILL BE DONE. THIS IS WELCOME NEWS TO THOSE

USING IT. >> WE DID MAKE ONE MODIFICATION TO THE AGREEMENT.

THEY CAME BACK AND ASKED THAT WE REMOVE EXHIBIT F. THEY SAID THAT WAS NOT NECESSARY TO BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT. THAT IS THE LAST DOCUMENT ATTACHED TO THE CONTRACT.

[04:55:01]

WE KNOW THEY ARE GOOD IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY HAVE ALREADY DELIVERED.

>> I WRITE, ANY QUESTIONS FOR KAREN ON THAT? WHEN CAN THEY START?

>> AFTER THE PROTEST. WE WILL HAVE THEM READY TO GO. CAN WE GET MORE FUNDING TO DO

THREE MORE OF THE SIDEWALKS? >> WE HAVE TRIED TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TRIED TO GET BETTER PRICING SO WE COULD DO MORE BRIDGING. I THINK THEY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO

ACCOMMODATE SO WE WILL GET SOME DONE BUT NOT FOR STATE FUNDING. >> THERE IS A PLAN.

>> GOOD EVENING. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

WE WILL BE DOING THREE AS PART OF THE CONTRACT. THE ONE THAT AS THE ORANGE FENCE WERE WAITING FOR THE MODIFICATIONS IN-HOUSE. THEN WE WILL LOOK AT THE REST OF THE STRUCTURES. RICHARD AND I ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CALL A BELLY BRIDGE.

IT IS FABRICATED BUT THE FABRICATION IT IS A PRETTY FABRICATED RAGE.

WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AND ONCE WE SIDEWALK BACK WE WILL HAVE A NICE STRETCH THERE.

THAT IS OUR PLAN SO WE ARE EXCITED. I AM EXCITED TOO.

THIS LIKES TO FALL DOWN A LOT. I WILL BE HAPPY WHEN IT IS GONE. >> JUST TO CLEAR UP WHAT SHE SAID. WE WILL DEFINITELY BID THAT THROUGH.

BUT WE DO FAVOR -- >> ANY QUESTIONS, DO WE HAVE A MOTION? COMMISSIONER WITH THE MOTION ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES 5-0.

[CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS]

>> I JUST WANT TO THANK GINA AND KAREN FOR WORKING WITH US. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS RECALL BUT WE OPERATE TEEN CORE OUT OF THEIR AND THEY ARE A GROUP OF KIDS THAT DO A LOT OF WORK FOR OUR PROGRAMS. A LOT OF THE CEREMONIES WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HAVE THEIR BECAUSE THEY BRING PEOPLE IN AND TEACH IN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME FROM OUT OF TOWN TO DO RESEARCH AND VISIT THE TRIANGLE. HOPEFULLY, THAT IS MONEY PUT TO USE. I APPRECIATE THAT IT WAS A LONG TIME COMING CAN YOU CLARIFY, IN THE GRANT MONEY IF THERE WILL BE RAILING ADDED ON THE STEPS OF THE COURTHOUSE?

>> THE EXTERIOR? I DID NOT KNOW IF THAT WAS INCLUDED.

>> THERE IS AN ADA RAMP GOING IN. >> THIS ONE WILL BE REDONE TO

STEP WHAT WILL HAPPEN? >> THE COLUMNS WILL BE REDONE. >> I DID NOTICE I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION BECAUSE MY T-MOBILE ASKED ME ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY TRY TO PROMOTE THIS BUILDING AS HISTORICAL. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BIDS THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE IN SOME OF THE PRICING AS FAR AS THE BOND COMPANY. IT LOOKS LIKE SOME FOCUSED ON STRUCTURAL AND SOME ON FAÇADE, I COULD PULL IT UP BUT I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT.

[05:00:07]

INSIDE, IT DOES NOT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS APPLES TO APPLES TO ME. >> WE REVIEWED THAT AND ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND EXPLAIN HOW THEY SPREAD OUT THERE PRICING. THEY SPREAD THAT OUT AMONGST THE ITEMS. I WOULD SAY IN ORANGE PARK, ONE WAS IN COCOA FLORIDA AND ONE WAS IN -- SO DECIDE TO IMPACT THEIR PRICING. WE DID ASK DID THEY UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF WORK AND THEY CAME BACK AND DID A SECOND SITE VISIT.

WE ARE COMFORTABLE, THAT THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT AND THEY UNDERSTAND IT.

BUT TOMORROW I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST OF WHAT THEY WILL DO IS SHARE WITH YOUR TEAM.

>> OVERALL, THE STATE HAD TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT BEFORE WE PUT IT ON THE BID BECAUSE IT'S A

HISTORICAL FACILITY. >> ANYTHING ELSE? WE HAVE UPDATES NEXT GO-ROUND.

>> THANK YOU TO YOUR TEAM FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW IT'S LATE NIGHT.

IF YOU ARE A BRAVE SPAN, I KNOW YOU'RE ITCHING TO GET OUT. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR US TODAY?

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

COUNTY ATTORNEY? >> YES BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER. >> IT HAS BEEN A LONG DAY.

>> I CAN USE THAT EXCUSE BUT YOU CAN'T. >> GET BACK TO US IF YOU COME UP

WITH SOMETHING, WHERE FLEXIBLE. >> NOTHING CONTAINING ANY QUESTIONS.

[LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION]

>> LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION WE HAVE ENTERED THE MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 7.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE (HOW MUCH SHOULDER YOU HAVE BETWEEN HOUSES.

THOSE ARE THE THINGS PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. THEY LIKE NEIGHBORS BUT THEY DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON TOP OF THEM. THANK YOU.&

>> THANK YOU FOR STANDING. >> WAS THE LEAST I COULD DO. >> WHAT WE KNOW HE'S NOT A

BRAVES FAN. >> ANYONE ELSE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS,

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

LET'S GET TO COMMISSIONER COMMENTS. >> YOU CAN COME TO ME.

>> I WAS GO TO THE RIGHT. >> THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO MENTION, I KNOW WE HAVE ONE MORE

[05:05:04]

THE ONE I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THERE IS A FAMILY DAY CELEBRATION AT CAMP LANDING.

THE FIRST 100 VETERANS GET A FREE T-SHIRT. THERE'S BUNCH AT WORLD WAR II PRICES. THAT STARTS THAT 11:00 A.M. AT THE MUSEUM STEPS.

THE CITY CEREMONY IS AT 10:00 A.M. I WILL BE AT BOTH OF THOSE.

I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AS WELL. I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE

HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS I WANT TO GO BACK AND EXPLORE IT. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT.

I JUST THINK IT HAS TO BE IN A SPECIFIC AREA. >> YEAH BY THE HIGHWAY, I HAVE

NO PROBLEM LOOKING AT THAT. >> HOW WOULD WE GET OUR ARMS AROUND THAT?

>> CHARISSE CAN LOOK THAT UP AND RESEARCH WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY. >> SOUNDED LIKE. IF THERE IS A REASON TO DO IT FINE, BUT BUT WE SPENT 10 MILLION BUCKS ON OUR PROBLEM WITH THAT. I THINK IT IS WELL, MONEY WELL

SPENT. UNLIMITED OYSTERS AND SHRIMP. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.

>> I DID FORGET ONE THING. I HAVEN'T SAID A LOT BUT IT IS FLORIDA WEEK.

>> MOVING QUICKLY TO COMMISSIONER BURKE. >> YES, I AM SCARED FOR MY

GATORS THIS WEEKEND. >> WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE ACCIDENTS.

DRIVERS LISTING. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL AND SLOW DOWN.

WHAT HAS BEEN GREAT ON TOUR NINE BEING, THE MAN DIRECTING TRAFFIC OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS BEEN WONDERFUL. CAN WE HAVE THAT ALL OF THE TIME.

HE DID SUCH A GREAT STORY. ALONG THOSE LINES, SOMETHING NEEDING TO BE DONE IN THE AREA I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THE FUNDING BUT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE.

SOMEONE ASKED FOR A RED LIGHT. IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT COULD BE POSSIBLE.

>> THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> JUST ALONG WITH VETERANS DAY COMING UP.

ORANGE PARK OF COURSE, I HAVE BEEN CORDIALLY INVITED TO CAMP LANDING.

THE OTHER THING IS, WE HELD A PUBLIC MEETING LAST WEEK. LAST THURSDAY.

VERY WELL ATTENDED. SUPPORTING THE EFFORT AND YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE SAME FROM THE PODIUM TONIGHT. WHAT WE NEED IS APPROVAL AND RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COUNTY SUPPORTING THE PROJECT. IT'S HARD TO PUT A REQUEST INTO THE CIP OR OPERATION MAINTENANCE WITHOUT SOME SORT OF A PROJECT. I CAN'T SAY WE HAVE ALL PROJECT CAP BUT I THINK A RESOLUTION SAYING WE SUPPORT THIS EFFORT WOULD BE WELL RECEIVED AND

[05:10:12]

APPROPRIATE. THAT IS MY REQUES. >> I THINK IT IS ALSO SOMETHING WE CAN SEND TO THE STATE DELEGATION THAT ALLOWS THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FUNDING OR WHATEVER HELP THEY CAN MUSTER FOR US. I AGREE WITH THAT.

>> THAT'S IT. >> DOES THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AGREE WITH THAT?

>> DO YOU HAVE TO WRITE SOMETHING UP? YOU HAVE HEAD SHAKING I WAS BLOCKING THEM. ANYTHING ELSE? I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE ON THE BOARD I KNOW WE DON'T AGREE ALL OF THE TIME BUT, AND SOMETIMES WE DO TALK THINGS TO DEATH WEEK AFTER WEEK, BUT WE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF GOOD THINGS FOR THE COUNTY AND THE RESIDENTS AND I AM PROUD TO SERVE WITH YOU. I ALSO THINK THAT, WE CAN'T OVERLOOK WE ARE CLOSE TO BEING ABLE TO AGREE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD ON THE SAME VOTING DISTRICTS WHICH HAS NOT HAPPENED IN THE COUNTY FOR A WHILE. I'M HOPING WE GET ACROSS THE FINISH LINE THAT WILL BENEFIT THE VOTERS AND THE RESIDENTS OF CLAY COUNTY.

JUST A REALLY GOOD DAY FOR US. THAT IS A. THANK YOU STAFF.

WE APPRECIATE YOU HANGING IN THERE. THANK YOU FROM THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE. THANKS TO THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEIR SHERIFF DEPUTY TO STAT

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