Oct 11, 2021 BCC Workshop

[CALL TO ORDER]

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>> LIKE TO CALL THE SPECIAL BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP TO ORDER ON THIS OCTOBER 11, 2021. GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR JOINING US HERE TODAY.

LET'S GET STARTED. LET THE RECORD SHOW ALL OF OUR COMMISSIONERS ARE IN ATTENDANCE AND THEY ARE HERE THIS AFTERNOON. THE ORDER OF BUSINESS TODAY IS TO DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL COUNTY GUN RANGE AND WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO GO IN TERMS OF OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME.HERE WILL BE NO VOTE ON ANY ISSUE HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

WITHOUT FURTHER ADO LET'S MOVE RIGHT INTO OUR NEW BUSINESS AND WE WILL START WITH THE FIRST AGENDA ITEM. VERY SHORT AGENDA HERE BY THE WAY.

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TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FOR US. >> WILL BRING THE BRIEF UP ON THE SCREENS AND YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE SOME SLIDES HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. FIRST JEAN WILL BE GIVING SOME BACKGROUND AND HISTORY ABOUT THE GUN RANGE. WHERE WE WERE AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WITH REGARDS TO THIS DECISION. THEN WE'VE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE OF ITEMS IN THERE BASED UPON DISCUSSIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS.

WE TRY TO ADDRESS ALL THOSE QUESTIONS AND CONCERN WITHIN THE SLIDE DECK.

ANYWHERE FROM A PARKS AND REC KIND OF HOW THE PARK WOULD BE GENERATING POSSIBLE MONEY.

AGAIN THESE ARE JUST ASSUMPTIONS. I ALSO HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, THE UP-TO-DATE INFORMATION ON MISSED LOTTIE SCHEDULES THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND THAT. THE ONE THING TO ADD TO THAT BY THE WEIGHT AND IT WAS JUST REVEALED, NOT ONLY IS IT JUST HAVING A GROUP GO OUT THERE TO TRY TO GET QUALIFY JUST AT ANNUAL TRAINING BUT, YOU ONLY HAVE A CERTAIN WINDOW TO GET THAT RECALL IN. I'M SURE THEY CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.

I SAW THE UNDERSHERIFF WITH SUMMER HERE. THERE HE IS.

WE ALSO HAVE W G.I. IS ALSO IN THE HOUSE. TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS OF YOU KNOW WHY THE DESIGN WAS THAT WAY. THEN FINALLY IN THE BACK, WE THE BACK COLONEL STEVE STROUD IS HERE, THE DEPUTY COMMANDER FOR CAPE LANDING.

JUST IN CASE THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. THE PROPERTY WAS BOUGHT AND IT IS WITHIN THE A CUB IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. WE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM, LIAISING WITH THEM ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY ON THAT FOR SPECIFICALLY GUN RANGE PRINT WITHOUT FURTHER ADO I LIKE TO TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO JEAN. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS?

OKAY. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS.

GENE PRICE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES. I WILL GOHEAD AND START OFF WITH THE BACKUP AT THE B BOX TRUCK. THIS IS THAT WORKSHOP FOR JUST THE GUN RANGE DESIGN ITSELF. THE ROAD COMING IN AND THE 10 ACRES WE DISCUSSED.

FOR THE DEFENDANT WE WILL HAVE THE BACK GROUND. THE ZONING CODES WILL GET MIKE BROWN AND STEVE APPEAR DEMOGRAPHICS THE SHERIFF WILL GO UP AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CANCELLATIONS AND KIMBERLY MORGAN WILL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES. THEN WE WILL TURN IT OVER FOR DISCUSSIONS AND QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ASK THE STAFF. LOOKING AT THE BACKGROUND. APPROXIMATE HUNDRED 58 ACRES BOUGHT 2015 FOR 8 AND $45,000. IT WAS A CO-OP WITH ST. JOHNS RIVER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND NATIONAL GUARD BUREAU. NATIONAL DEFENSE ACT FOR THE PRESERVATION OF LANDS WITHIN A 3 MILE BUFFER AREAS OF CAMP LANDING. IT MEETS ARMY COMPATIBLE USE OF HER AS COUNTY MANAGER STATED WE WILL TALK WITH HER STUFF ON THIS.

THE SIZE AREA LOCATION ALSO MEETS THE SHERIFF'S ANNUAL REQUIREMENTS WE ARE TRY TO GET OFF TO WITH THE FDA. PROJECT PROGRESS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE FIRST WAS THE P3 WAS PUT UP FOR BID BACK IN OCTOBER. WE RECEIVED ONE PROPOSAL AND THEN LATER WITHDREW IT. BRITTA BOARD WORKSHOP ON MARCH 9, 2021.

THAT WAS WHERE WE PRESENTED THE DECISION FOR COMPANY TARGETS, LENGTH AND THEN THE USAGE TIME OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THE BOARD VOTED ON 2 OF THOSE MAKING IT 200 YARDS AND GOING WITH THE 30 TARGET FOR THE SHERIFF'S REQUEST AND THAT THEIR DECISION WAS TABLED FOR LATER DATE TO BE DETERMINED ON THE USAGE AND TIMING OF WHO GETS WHAT OUT THERE.

WE DID RECEIVE A FORMAL BID FOR CONSTRUCTION. THROUGH THE BID PROCESS WITH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT RECEIVED 5 BEDS ALL WITHIN 10 PERCENT.

WHAT WAS BID BEING $3.5 MILLION WITH ALTERNATES AS WELL. THAT WAS UNDER THE CIP AND UNDER WHAT THE ENGINEER ESTIMATE WAS AS WELL. EXPENDITURE TO DATE.

WE HAVE WITH THE DESIGN AND THE LAND PURCHASE THEN DAMN REPAIR FROM EXCAVATING.

PART $1.1 MILLION OUT THERE WITHOUT PROPERTY SO FAR. NEXT SLIDE.

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OPTION 2, YOU CHANGE THE PLANS AND THE DESIGN WITH W G.I. CONSIDER SIZE AND USAGE AND WE HAVE TO REJECT THE CURRENT BIDS AND REBID THE CONSTRUCTION PIECE ITSELF.

OPTION 3, WHEN YOU SHELVE THE PROJECT UNTIL A LATER DATE. REJECT CURRENT BIDS AND WE HAVE TO ADJUST TO CIP ACCORDINGLY AS WELL. OPTION 4, DO NOT BID, REJECT CURRENT BIDS AND ADJUST THE IP ACCORDINGLY. WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DECISION ON OCTOBER 26 PENDING YOUR DISCUSSIONS TODAY.

NOW I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MIKE BROWN HE CAN TALK ABOUT THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION. REAL QUICKLY JUST TO GO OVER THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS.

THE LENGTH OF OHMIC CODE IN ARTICLE 8 DOES REQUIRE FOR ALL PAID TO OUR PARKING AREAS NEED BE PAVED. THERE IS A ABILITY TO SEEK ALTERNATIVES TO PARKING IMPROVEMENTS DEPENDING ON THE LOCAL CONDITIONS AND IF APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ENGINEER. THAT'S NOT TO PUT A LOT OF PRESSURE ON HIM BUT HE HAS THE ABILITY BASED ON SPECIFIC CONDITIONS AT THE SITE AND THE USE ALTER OUR APPROVE ALTERNATIVES TO THE PARK. THE NUMBER OF FIRE LANES PROPOSED WILL REQUIRE 20 PARKING SPACES BASED ON OUR CODE. ONE OF THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE ADA ACCESSIBLE AND ADA ACCESSIBLE WILL HAVE TO BE PAVED.

THERE'S NO DEVIATION FROM THEM. THAT'S A FEDERAL REQUIREMENT. THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS DOES HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE A VERY INSTITUTE OF CODE. IF THERE'S A DESIRE TO REQUEST OR SEEK A VARIANCE TO THE PARKING, THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF SPACES AND OR THE PAVEMENT THERE IS ALSO AN OPTION TO SEEK IT THROUGH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

EVERY LAND OWNER HAS THAT OPTION. AND, I CAN GET INTO ALTERNATIVES BUT, SOME OF THE THINGS TO CONSIDER IF YOU WANT TO SEEK ALTERNATIVES TO THE PAVEMENT, PAVING BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION. THERE IS COST SAVINGS OF FRONT BUT IN THE LONG RUN YOU HAVE A HIGHER MAINTENANCE COST SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN SEEKING THOSE THINGS. THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO SEEK ALTERNATIVES TO THE PAVING IF THAT IS DESIRED. THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT.

>> THE REQUIREMENTS ARE THE SAME WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC OR WHETHER IT'S JUST FOR THE

SHERIFF? >> YES. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN THE

PAVING REQUIREMENTS. >> SO WE HAVE AN ADA COMPLIANT SHERIFF ONLY?

>> THE ADA, THE NUMBER OF ADA SPACES IS BASED ON THE NUMBER OF OVERALL PARKING SPACES REQUIRED. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ONE. IF IT WAS JUST UTILIZATION BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ONE ADA PARKING SPACE.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> A MINIMUM OF 20 SPACES REQUIRED. IF 30 LANES, YOU HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT PERSONNEL OR

REQUIREMENTS. HOW TO COME UP WITH 20? >> THE CODE REQUIRES FOR SHOOTING RANGE, OUTDOOR SHOOTING RANGE ONE SPACE PER 1.5 SHOOTING SPACES OR LANES.

THAT'S WHAT OUR CODE REQUIRES. THAT'S HOW YOU COME UP WITH THE 20.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT WAS IN THE RFP? >> NO, I DO NOT.

WHICH IS HOW PARKING LOT WITH LIGHTS AND ALL THAT. >> 60?

OKAY, THANK YOU. >> SO, THE VARIANCE FROM THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, IS THAT WHAT WAS DONE LIKE OUR PARK SQUARE AT OMEGA PARK WE DON'T HAVE A PAVED PARKING LOT.

>> I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY. I CAN'T RESPOND TO THAT. AT THIS POINT I CAN RESEARCH IT. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT RIGHT NOW.

>> OKAY. THANKS. >> I'VE HAD A PARK UP IN OAKLEAF NOW FOR 15 YEARS WITHOUT PAVED ANYTHING. WE FINALLY PAVED IT ABOUT 2

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DESIRE TO DO IT. RIGHT? >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MIKE?

>> JUST FOR THE RECORD IT'S 50, THE NUMBER SPACES THE RFP. >> STEVE ARE YOU GOING TO COME

DOWN AND TALK TO US? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. STEVE SHOWED FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OF CLAY COUNTY. WE HAD SOME ITEMS COME UP THAT WERE LISTED AS ALTERNATES.

THAT ARE ACTUALLY MINIMUM BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS, RESTROOM FACILITIES, AND THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING HAD A QUESTION ON THAT. IT'S REQUIRED FOR EMPLOYEES AS WELL. SO THAT ONE SPACE IS GOING TO BE AN ABSOLUTE MINIMUM.

IT'S A 12 FOOT SPACE WITH A 5 FOOT ACCESS AISLE. WE'VE GOT THE TOILET FACILITIES, THE OTHER ACCESSIBLE ISSUES LISTED ON THE SHEET.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THEM. >> WHAT ABOUT PORTA POTTY'S?

>> BOARD OF PARTIES ARE NOT AN AUTHORIZED USE. YOU CAN ADD THOSE IF YOU HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT. SAY TOURNAMENT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LARGER OCCUPANCY.

YOU CAN AUGMENT THAT. THERE NEEDS TO BE PERMANENT FACILITY ON SITE.

BASED ON WHAT KOTO? >> THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE 403.3.

THE PLUMBING CODE IS MINIMUM FACILITIES REQUIRED. >> DO WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT REQUIRES THIS? I MEAN I ENVISION THIS AS BEING A BIG OPEN SPACE WITH BERMS AND

A SHOT ACROSS THE FRONT. >> THE PLANS CALL FOR A COVERED SHOOTING AREA.HERE IS ALSO A CROWS NEST OBSERVATION PLATFORM. YOU'VE GOT STORAGE AND RESTROOM FACILITIES IN A CONCRETE BLOCK BUILDING AS PART OF THIS COMPLEX.

>> SO THERE'S NO REAL FACILITY THERE OTHER THAN THE RESTROOMS. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THERE'S RESTROOM AND STORAGE AND THEN THE OBSERVATION PLATFORM AND THE COVERED SHOOTING RANGE. OR THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE.

>> OKAY. JIM GREAT. >> IF THESE ARE REQUIRED BY FLORIDA BUILDING CODE HOW COME THEY WERE AT ALTERNATE. WHY WEREN'T THEY IN THE PRIMARY RFP? IN MY REAL QUESTION IS, ARE THERE ANY HIDDEN THINGS THAT ARE IN FLORIDA BUILDING CODE THAT ARE LISTED HERE THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCOVER?

>> NO SIR. I DON'T KNOW WHY, I KNOW PEOPLE WERE LOOKING FOR SOME COST

SAVINGS. >> OKAY. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

THANK YOU STEVE. I APPRECIATE IT. >> THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE IS THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE CLAY COUNTY THAT WE WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT THE RANGE. 32,726 NUMBER OF CONCEALED WEAPONS AND FIREARMS CHOICES HOLDERS OF CLAY COUNTY. AS OF SEPTEMBER 30, 2021. NUMBER OF COVERAGES IS 2.

YOU'VE GOT ON CAR TARGET AND B6. BOTH OF THOSE ARE INDOOR.

NUMBER OF GUN RANGES AND NEIGHBORING COUNTIES YOU HAVE DEFAULT 6 NOT INCLUDING JSO AND

ST. JOHN'S HAS 5. PUTNAM HAS 2 AND BRADFORD HAS 4. >> THESE ARE COMMERCIAL?

>> YES SIR. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE UNDERSHERIFF TO DISCUSS THE

CANCELLATIONS THEY HAVE HAD. >> COMPANY REGISTERED VOTERS TO HAVE A CLAY COUNTY?

ABOUT 80,000 I THINK? >> 86,000. >> WE GOT 32,000 GUN PERMITS.

I BET YOU THERE'S MORE GUN PERMITS THAT WE HAVE FOOTBALL. IN PEOPLE'S HOMES OR BASEBALLS.

HERE WE ARE BUILDING PARKS LIKE CRAZY FOR BASEBALL AND FOOTBALL.

AND HERE WE HAVE A CLEAR INDICATOR THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GUN OWNERS OUT THERE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> I WILL RESPOND ABOUT. FIRST OF ALL I DON'T WANT TO GET US OFF TRACK. SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD IT'S BEEN 5 YEARS.

THE ONLY BIT BUILT 3 BALLPARKS. 3 ACTUAL FIELDS. AND THAT WAS IN ÃELLEN STEPHANIE WHICH WAS PART OF OUR PARKS PLAN. WE'VE ENHANCED SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS.WE'VE DONE SOME OTHER THINGS IN TERMS OF ADDING YOU KNOW VERY'S FEATURES BUT,

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KNOW. >> THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE AS WE DO A LOT FOR KIDS BEER VIRTUALLY NOTHING WEVE DONE HERE RECENTLY FOR OUR ADULT POPULATION.

>> THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. >> FOR POPE FOLKS ARE REALLY PAYING TAXES.

>> THAT'S A DIFFERENT STORY AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU WILL NOT.

>> OKAY GOOD, THEY AGREE. >> SORT OF IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY. SORRY UNDERSHERIFF WHICH ELECT

TO CONTINUE? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. HERE TO COVER A COUPLE OF THINGS. I'LL TRY TO ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP TOO.

AS FAR AS OUR TRAINING CANCELLATIONS. STAFF TO THE GREAT JOB OF PUTTING THIS SLIDE TOGETHER. PUT EXPLANATORY. 10 DAYS IN 2020 THAT WERE CANCELED. THEY DID A LOOK AT HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WE HAD TO REROUTE TO DIFFERENT FACILITIES AND CAME UP WITH THE MILES AND THE TIME IT TOOK TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED. THE ONE THING THAT IS CHANGED TO 2021, WERE ACTUALLY UP TO 13 CANCELLATIONS FROM THE NUMBER THAT SHOWED ON THE SCREEN. THEY CANCELED TOMORROW'S RANGE DAY AS WELL. THAT'S A TREND WE SEE CONTINUING HIS DEMANDS INCREASE POLICE AGENCIES FOR THEIR OWN STAFFS. IN REFERENCE TO A COUPLE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT COMMISSIONER BULLER HAD.S FAR AS RESTROOM FACILITIES.

FOR THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT TO JUSTIFY ARRANGE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING IT DOES REQUIRE A RESTROOM. THAT IS THE ONLY REQUIREMENT AND IT'S OUTLINED IN THEIR FORM WHICH IS A CHECKLIST FOR FIRM REACHES US AND FOR THEM.N REFERENCE TO PARKING SPACES WE WOULD ANTICIPATE USING 30 PEOPLE ON THE LINE.

THE INSTRUCTOR RATIO THAT'S REQUIRED FOR US BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IS 6 Ã1000 ADDITIONAL 5 INSTRUCTORS IN ADDITION TO THAT ONCE REFINED RANGE MASTER, CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION CERTIFIED RANGE MSTER. THAT'S 36 AT A MINIMUM WE WOULD USE THAT WOULD INCLUDE ANYBODY THAT WAS DOING ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE FOR BRINGING AMMUNITION OR TARGETS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 20 SPACES, JUST TO PUT IT OUT THERE PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO MEET NEEDS FOR WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.

IN ADDITION TO ADDITIONAL AGENCY USES ON THE NEXT SLIDE. THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY CRIMINAL JUSTICE PARTNERS WE HAVE HERE WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT WE WOULD PLAN TO WORK WITH TO ALLOW THEM TIME TO NOT ONLY QUALIFY BUT THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING AND WE TALKED ABOUT QUALIFICATION.

THAT IS PUTTING THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF HOLES IN THE TARGET. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY TRAINING. THAT'S QUALIFICATION. THE OTHER IMPORTANT BENEFIT OF NOT ONLY THESE AGENCIES HAVING A PLACE SO THEY CAN DO THEIR QUALIFICATIONS IS CROSSTRAINING. WE TRAIN THINGS LIKE ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATIONS.

YOUR PERSONAL THESE OTHER AGENCIES HAVE ARE TO WORK TOGETHER AND WORK THROUGH SCENARIOS AND LIVE FIRE AS PART OF THE TRAINING REGIMEN. THAT'S THE ADVANTAGES OF TRAINING AND SHOOTING WITH THE OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER ESTIONS THAT I CAN ASSIST WITH? I'LL BE HER HROAT.

>> THESE ADDITIONAL AGENCY TRAINING OF THE OTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND MUNICIPALITIES.

IS IT GOING TO BE OFFERED AS A BENEFIT OF BEING IN CLAY COUNTY? OR AT COST OF BEING IN CLAY COUNTY. IN OTHER WORDS LIGAMENT CHARGE

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >> WE WOULD NOT CHARGE ANOTHER AGENCY TO SHOOT AT THE RANGE.

LIKE WE DON'T GET CHARGED WHEN WE GO TO THE RANGES THAT I TALKED ABOUT A MINUTE AGO.

IN ADDITION TO BEING A PROFESSIONAL COURTESY IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IF YOU AND ENCOURAGE THEY CAN SHOOT TOGETHER IT ENHANCES THE LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSE TO THE

COUNTY. >> I WOULD ASSUME SOME OF THESE EXPENDITURES, REROUTING EXPENDITURES THERE'S GOING TO BE SAVINGS AT GREENE COVE, ORANGE PARK, THEY GET COUNSELED

OR MUST THE OTHER RANGES DON'T LIKELY COUNTY? >> I HAVE SEVERAL PROBLEMS.

>> SO THEY WILL BE MANIFESTING THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.

ANY PROBLEM WITH FHP? THEY MUST HAVE RUN RANGE RIGHT? >> THEY QUALIFY ORIGINALLY.

OUR EXPECTATION OF THESE OTHER AGENCIES THAT WOULD COME IN WITH HER OWN AMMUNITION IN THEIR OWN TARGETS OF THEIR OWN SUPPLIES. THEY WOULD CLEAN UP IF THEY LEFT. THAT THERE BE JOINT TRAINING DAYS.

RETURN TOGETHER. >> AT SCHOOL BOARD HAS THE SAME CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS?

>> YES. A FLORIDA STATE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES HAVE THE SAME

REQUIREMENTS. >> SO WHEN YOU GO TO ONE OF THESE OTHER RANGES THAT'S

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ON THE WAY OUT? AS I WHAT HAPPENS? >> YES SIR WE BUILD UP A TRUCK OR VAN AND WHATEVER IT TAKES FOR THE DAY AND WE GOT IN SHOOT AND THEN CLEAN UP IN THE WAY WE

FOUND IT BLOWING BELOW FOR THE DAY. >> IN TERMS OF THE COVERAGE SHOOTING AREA. IS THAT AN FDLE REQUIREMENT AS WELL?

>> ANSWER THAT'S ALSO ON HERE AS WELL. AS WELL AS LIGHTING WHICH I KNOW WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT IN THE PAST AS WELL. THERE'S OTHER COUPLE

REQUIREMENTS THERE. >> COURTESY IS ONE ELEMENT TO SECURITY FORCES.

HOW ABOUT PROFICIENCY? WITH THIS ALLOW FOR MORE TRAINING EVOLUTIONS TO MAINTAIN

PROFICIENCY INSTEAD OF CURRENCY? >> WITHOUT A DOUBT.

WITH THE STRUGGLING OF THESE DATES CONSTANTLY. OUR TRAINING SECTION IS BASICALLY ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH QUALIFICATIONS. WERE NOT ABLE TO DO A MEANINGFUL TRAINING SOLUTION FOR PARTICULAR NEW SCHOOL ON ANY BASIS.

IS THE TYPE OF THINGS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO DO WITH THE AVAILABILITY OF RANGE.

WE WILL BE ABLE TO INCREASE THIS SKILL LEVELS IS MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRAINING PLAN.

>> THIS WOULD ADD MORE FIDELITY TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MAINTAIN NOT ONLY A CURRENT

POLICE FORCE BUT ALSO A PROFICIENT POLICE FORCE.>> WITHOUT A DOUBT.

>> THANK YOU. >> YES SIR. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> GETTING WALKWAY THROUGH, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A BRAND-NEW JEOPARDY.

I KNOW SOMEONE JUST GOT HIRED. WHAT DID THEY GO SHOOT? >> IDEALLY, FUNNY MUST THAT QUESTION. WE BROUGHT A GROUP AND THAT'S TRAINING NOW.

THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE RANGE TOMORROW WHICH JUST GOT CANCELED WHICH MEANS THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO BE ISSUED THEIR GUNS UNTIL NEXT MONTH. NORMALLY, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET THEM AND GET THEM QUALIFIED WE GO AHEAD AND OUTFIT THEM AND PUT THEM IN THEIR GUNS RIGHT AWAY. BUT, UNTIL THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE QUALIFICATION WE CAN DO THAT. PNORMALLY EARLY IN THEIR TRAINING, THE GROUP THAT WAS

JUST HIRED THE GOOD HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH. >> SO HARD, THEY'RE GETTING

PAID? >> THE CLASSROOM PART OF THE PORTION.

IT'S NOT A WASTE OF TIME BUT WE CAN'T FULLY OUTFIT THEM AND UNTIL THERE QUALIFIED AND THAT

WAS PLANNED FOR TOMORROW. >> MONTH THEY COULD GO SHOOT. THEN WHAT AFTER THAT? AS OF THE ONLY TIMES ARE ABLE TO SHOOT?ECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE?

>> THEY WILL BE REQUIRED AGAIN UNTIL MONTHS. THAT'S ANOTHER CG ATC REQUIREMENT THAT I KNOW MR. WANAMAKER WAS GETTING OUT EARLIER.

WE HAVE TO QUALIFY EVERY 12 MONTHS IN THE STATE IS TIGHTENING THAT UP.

THE ASSURANCE OF THE ACCREDITATION COMMITTEE. CCORDING TO ACCREDITATION LAUGHTER SHOOT EVERY 12 MONTHS AND THERE'S ONLY A 4 Ã EXPERIENCE TO GIVE YOU ON

EITHER SIDE OF THAT 12 MONTH ANNIVERSARY DATE TO QUALIFY. >>, HOW OFTEN DO THEY SHOOT

WHEN THEY WERE GOING THROUGH SCHOOL? >> WHEN THEY GO THROUGH SCHOOL NOT SURE WHAT THE GROUND REQUIREMENT IS. THEY SHOOT HUNDREDS OF ROUNDS.

IT'S ABOUT A 2 WEEK COURSE AS FAR AS THE BASIC LAW ENFORCEMENT STUDENT AND WHEN THEY GO THROUGH. THEY SHOOT FOR BASICALLY 2 WEEKS.

THERE SOME CLASSROOM STUFF MIXED IN THAT AS WELL. THEN THEY COME OUT OF THE GO TO THEIR AGENCY IT'S UP TO THE AGENCY TO TAKE RETURNING FROM THEIR OF THE 4 TO MAKE SURE THEY QUALIFY APPROPRIATELY EACH YEAR. THE TRAINING EVOLUTION MUCH

AFTER THE AGENCY. >> THAT HOW OFTEN WITH A BE ABLE TO SHOOT WITH HIS GUN

RANGE? >> OBVIOUSLY BEING RIGHT HERE IN THE COUNTY WE WOULD WORK OUT WHICHEVER DAYS ARE AVAILABLE FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING.

THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SHIP MUCH MORE OFTEN. WOULD LIKE TO SEE US, OBVIOUSLY THE ANNUAL IS GOOD. WE SHOULD BE SHOOTING TWICE IF NOT 3 TIMES MORE.

I LIKE TO SEE SHOOTING ONCE A COURT OF RETURNING. I WILL BE DEPEND ON MANPOWER CAN WE SPARE PEOPLE FOR THE ROAD HOW CAN WE ROTATE PEOPLE THROUGH.

WITHOUT A DOUBT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL FIREARMS TRAINING GOING ON.

UNTIL WE WERE ALL THE DETAILS IT'S HARD TO SAY EXACTLY HOW MANY TIMES.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT QUARTERLY. IT MAY BE A LITTLE AMBITIOUS.

IT MAY START OUT TWICE A YEAR AND THEN MOVE INTO 3 TIMES YEAR THEN MOVE IT TO QUARTERLY.

YOU HAVE TO BE SMART SO WE CAN MAINTAIN OUR STREET COVERAGE. OBVIOUSLY THIS TICKET MUST LAST TIME TO DO THIS BECAUSE WERE DROPPING OFF AN HOUR OR MORE DEPEND ON WHICH RANGE WE ARE GOING TO PREDICT TREVOR EACH DIRECTION AND BACK. ALL THAT TIME IS GONE.

THAT'S ALL TRAINING TIME WE NOW HAVE AN ODD DRIVING TIME. >> OKAY.

YOU BECOME A DEPUTY, YOU DON'T GET TO SHOOT FOR ANOTHER 12 MONTHS.

I MEAN, THAT'S CRAZY. PERSONALLY THAT'S INSANE TO ME. >> ONE OF THE CONCEPTS OF OPEN RANGE DAYS IF THEY WERE DOING QUALIFICATIONS ON THOSE DAYS WE OFFER EMPLOYEES THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME OUT AND SHE WAS WELL. MANY WILL TAKE US UP ON THAT. UNFORTUNATELY THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT KEEP GETTING COUNSELED THE MOST OFTEN BY OUR PARTNERS.

>> DO YOU FIND, SINCE WE HAVE 2 OF THESE COMMERCIAL FACILITIES HERE IN CLAY COUNTY.

TO SOME OF THEM GO? I GUESS SOME OF THEM HAVE TO PAY TO SHOOT?

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TO HEAR MANY OF THEM DO THAT? >> YUP. AS LONG PEOPLE INTO COMPETITIVE SHOOTING AT THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE HAPPY TO GO DO THINGS ON THEIR OWN WHICH IS GREAT.

WE ENCOURAGE THAT, DON'T GET ME WRONG. IT WAS A BENEFIT TO NOT ONLY SHOOTING ON YOUR OWN BUT SHOOTING AS A GROUPLIKE OUR MOST RECENT POLICE SHOOTING WE PHAD HERE ON PLANNING BOULEVARD INVOLVE MULTIPLE OFFICERS. THERE'S A LOT OF DYNAMICS THAT COME INTO A GUNFIGHT WHEN THERE'S MULTIPLE PEOPLE SHOOTING FROM DIFFERENT POSITIONS. PEOPLE AREN'T STANDING IN FRONT OF TARGETS LIKE YOU DO ON A RANGE OF MOVING AROUND. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE WOULD WANT TO REPLICATE.

WE WANT TO BRING VEHICLE SIN. OBSTACLES, NO BOXES, THINGS THAT PEOPLE WOULD COME ACROSS IN THEIR NORMAL WORK ENVIRONMENT AND BRING THOSE OUT THERE TO THE RANGE ENVIRONMENT

SO THEY CAN TRAIN ON THOSE AS WELL. >> GREAT.

DEFINITELY SOMEONE ABOUT TO BE SHOT AT SANCHEZ GOES COUNTER AND LET THEM SHOOT YOU

INITIALLY. >> ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF LIVE FIRE TRAINING COMES OUT.

YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.>> THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE UNDERSHERIFF? THANKS. IF WE ARE MORE QUESTIONS WILL

REFER TO.> I'LL BE HERE AS LONG AS YOU NEED ME. >> KIMBERLY ARE YOU GOING TO

COME DOWN AND HANDLE THE NEXT SLIDE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THE NEXT SLIDE TALKS ABOUT THE ESTIMATED EXPENSES.

AND YOU WILL SEE HERE THAT WE'VE OUTLINED ELECTRICITY, MAINTENANCE, WATER, SEWER, STAFF AND INSURANCE ESTIMATES. JUST TO PAINT A BROAD PICTURE OF WHAT THE EXPENSE WOULD BE

FOR THE FACILITY. >> COULD YOU EXPLAIN STAFF? >> SURE.

RIGHT NOW EXPECT TO HAVE ONE FULL-TIME STAFF MEMBER. JEAN AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS FROM A FACILITIES AND PARKS AND RECREATION STANDPOINT. THIS IS GOING TO BE A PERSON THAT IS SKILLED NOT ONLY IN MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP OF THE FACILITY AS WELL AS GUN RANGE OPERATIONS. SO THAT THEY CAN REALLY DO BOTH.

>> HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OPERATIONAL CONTEXT? >> THEY WOULD HAVE TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW A GUN RANGE WORKS. THE CLEANUP THE BASIC OPERATIONS OF A GUN RANGE. THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND CERTIFIED.

>> LOOK AT THEM BY USING SCHEDULE DEFLECTION WITH THEM SIR.

SOMEONE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE AND CAPABILITY SOMEONE COMING OUT THERE WITH A HOWITZER.

SIMPLY COME TO THE RANGE WITH A HOLLISTER SOMEONE HAS TO KNOW THAT'S NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS

RANGE. >> SCHEDULE DICK FOR COMPLEXION IS TRYING TO TAKE THE RANGE THAT'S WERE ENVISIONING. THIS IS WITHOUT THE BOARD'S DECISION ON WHERE WE WANT TO TAKE THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. OBVIOUSLY THE BOARD MAKES A DECISION I WILL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. WE DEFINITELY SOMEONE OUT THERE HELP MANAGE THIS FACILITY.

>> I GUESS IT'S LATER ON IN THE SLIDES. WE TALK ABOUT DUAL USE AND WE TALK ABOUT RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTS USE THE FACILITY AND SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, WEEKEND AND HOLIDAYS AND ALL THAT. ONE PERSON IS IT GOING TO BE ENOUGH.

>> RIGHT. OTHERS GOING FROM TOURNAMENT PERSPECTIVE AND THEN WE WILL GET THERE IN JUST A MINUTE. THERE WILL BE SOME TOOLS THAT WILL HAVE A PARKS AND RECREATION THAT WILL HELP US ONLINE REGISTRATION RESERVATIONS AND UP TO EVERYTHING. SO WE CAN GIVE THE PERSON THAT IS THERE, THAT A STOP TO THE

FACILITY A SCHEDULE OF WHO SHOULD BE ON SITE. >> CELLS CAN BE MANNED ANYTIME

IT'S OPEN? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> WELL, IT STILL CAN BE HARD

WITH ONE DEPUTY. >> IT IS. SO THERE WAS A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND PARKS AND RECREATION RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF FACILITIES THAT ARE BEING CONSIDERED. ONCE WE HAVE DECISIONS FROM YOU ALL ON WHAT DIRECTION WE ARE GOING WITH SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES WE CAN MAKE A STRATEGIC STAFF DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT THE DEMAND IS GOING TO BE. RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT 2 OR 3 DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF STAFFING IDEAS THAT WE ARE WAITING. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PARKS IN OUR DEPARTMENT. ONCE WE LAY THOSE OUT AS OPTIONS WE WILL BE PRESENTING THIS AND MOVING FORWARD. BUT THE COUNTY MANAGER ON STAFFING MODEL THAT FITS THE

FUTURE FOR CLAY COUNTY PARKS AND. >> IF I CAN FORECAST YOU

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>> THANK YOU SIR. >> OF ONE QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE THE LID REQUIREMENTS ARE FOR THIS DEAL. AND THAT'S A MAJOR EXPENSE FOR FIRING RANGES.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY ROUNDS WE COULD SHOOT BEFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE THE STUFF OUT OF

THE BERMS? >> IT'S BASED OFF OF USAGE SIR. >> ITS MAJOR EXPENSE RIGHT?

>> IT IS. >> IT'S LIKE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

>> OTHER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> KIMBERLY, WHAT IS THAT WATER SEWER ONE AGAIN?

>> THAT A SUBJECT AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS WORKING.

THERE'S PLUMBING INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR ACTUALLY.

>> THAT LOOKS A LITTLE LOW. BUT I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS A

CCU WEIGHT PROJECT.T WOULD BE ON SUBJECT. >> WOULD WATER UP TO HAVE THE SAME TESTING FROM AN OUTSIDE COMPANY AT ALL THE PARTS HAVE TO HAVE THAT HAVE WELLS?

SO THAT COST IS NOT IN HERE. >> NO, THAT'S AN ANNUAL. SO, THAT IS AN ANNUAL COST THAT COMES OUT OF PARKS AND REC OVERALL OPERATING BUDGET. IT'S NOT SENT TO EACH

INDIVIDUAL FACILITY. >> OKAY. >> WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

>> WE WOULD HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR AT SOME POINT. >> IS ACCOUNTED FOR IN A

DIFFERENT PLACE IN THE BUDGET. 2 OF SPECIFIC FACILITY. >> IT'S LIKE A ROUGH GUESSTIMATE OF EXPENSES.HIS PROBABLY 2 OR 3 OTHERS THAT I SEE THAT WILL END UP.

JUST TO GET A HANDLE ON SOMETHING. >> I WOULD SAY THE WATER TESTING REQUIRED FOR PUBLIC USAGE OF WELL WATER SHOULD BE BROKEN OUT BY THE FACILITY BECAUSE IT'S PART OF THE SAME COST AS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY DEAL.

>> AND IT'S EXPENSIVE. FOR MY CHURCH PITCH ABOUT HUNDRED $80 A MONTH.

>> WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING A BUDGET THAT IS BRIGHT FACILITY.

OR JUST NOT QUITE THERE YET. >> OKAY. OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE EXPENSES AT THIS POINT? ALL RIGHT.

CARRY ON. >> OKAY. WE HAVE CREATED A MOCKUP SCENARIO. THIS IS COMPLETELY CHANGEABLE, FLEXIBLE.

BY ANY MEANS THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

OVER POTENTIAL SCENARIO FOR USAGE AND SCHEDULE WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRST RESPONDERS AND MILITARY AGENCIES INCLUDING THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT PARTNERS COULD USE THE RANGE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 7 AM Ã4 PM. USAGE FOR THOSE GROUPS ARE FREE. THE OPEN FOR PUBLIC ACCESS, THIS IS WHERE THE DUAL USE COMES IN. THIS WOULD BE AT A PROXIMALLY 25 HOURS PER WEEK.

MONDAY, TUESDAY AND THURSDAY OPEN FROM 5 P.M. Ã7 PM. FRIDAY FROM 5 Ã8 PM. SATURDAY, 80 A.M. TO 8 PM. AND SUNDAY, 1 PM TO 5 PM. THAT'S THE SCENARIO THAT WERE WORKING WITH ON THIS MODEL. THE POTENTIAL REVENUE FOR THAT PUBLIC USE, USING THAT SCENARIO WE DID SOME RESEARCH AND FOUND OUT REALLY AND DAILY RATES RANGE IN THE RANGE ANYWHERE FROM $15-$30 AN HOUR OR A DAY. THERE'S A WIDE ARRAY OF WAYS THAT THOSE RATES ARE SET UP.

IF THE HOURLY RATE IS $15 AND THERE'S 3 THINGS AND THERE'S A 30 PERCENT OCCUPANCY EACH WEEK.

SO 10 LANES. OUR OCCUPYING. FOR 52 WEEKS THAT WOULD RESULT IN HUNDRED $75,500 IN ANNUAL REVENUE. THERE IS ALSO A MODEL FOR REVENUE GENERATION THAT INCLUDES A MEMBERSHIP. AND WHAT THAT MEMBERSHIP MEMBERS WOULD GET DISCOUNTED HOURLY RATES OR DAILY RATES. SO, IF THERE'S $100 ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP RATE WITH 1500 MEMBERS WHICH IS ONLY 4.6 OF THE LICENSE CARRIERS IN THE

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THERE DISCOUNTED HOURLY RATE OF $10 PER HOUR WITH A 35 PERCENT OCCUPANCY WOULD LEAD TO $43,000. AN ESTIMATED ANNUAL REVENUE. OKAY? THEN, ON THE TOURISM SIDE. THESE ARE GENERALLY UNTAPPED MARKETS.

WE HAVE NOT PURSUED THESE MARKETS SIGNIFICANTLY. WE HAVE NOT PURSUED ANY SANCTIONS SHOOTING EVENTS. WHETHER THAT WOULD BE RIFLE OR PRACTICAL SHOOTING ANYTHING THE PAINTBALL ARENA. WE HAVE PURSUED ARCHERY BECAUSE IT CAN FIT AT THE FAIRGROUNDS.

A SHOOTING RANGE WOULD BE A GOOD RANGE WOULD BE A MORE APPLICABLE VENUE FOR THAT.

AND THAT BID FOR THE 22 /23 USA ARCHERY BID WERE EXPECTING 400+ ATHLETES.

FAMILY AND SUPPORTERS. FOR THAT EVENT. IT'S A WEEKLONG TOURNAMENT.

THE ESTIMATED ECONOMIC IMPACT FOR THAT EVENT IS 547,000. >> THAT'S JUST ONE TOURNAMENT?

>> THAT'S JUST ONE TOURNAMENT. A WEEKLONG TOURNAMENT. HAMPTON INN IN MIDDLEBURG IS ONE OF HER NEWEST HOTELS. IT HAS ABOUT 82 ROOMS I BELIEVE THERE'S A LOT OF TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT. BUT EVEN BEING ATHLETIC COMPETITIONS MOST OF THOSE FOLKS USE TO TRAVELING LITTLE BIT TO GET TO THEIR VENUE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> MRWE HAVE BEEN ON THIS? >> COVE IT HAS SET A LOT OF THE BID CONVERSATIONS BACK.

SO VERY REVISITING THE BID AND SEEING IF WE CAN CHANGE OUR BID DATES TO 23 Ã24.

ATLANTA OFFER THEM ANY VENUE. FROM THE TOURISM SIDE. >> OF COURSE FEELING WITH HER

GUN RANGES EVEN THERE. >> WE'RE STILL GOING TO WITH THE FAIRGROUNDS.ES SIR.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT FOR KIMBERLY? OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY THOSE NUMBERS B&.

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>> HYPOTHETICAL. >> HYPOTHETICAL WOULD BE A GOOD WORD.

HE POINTED SOMETHING SO WE COULD SEE THE POTENTIAL. NOT SURE WHETHER CERTAIN RATES SHOULD BE CHARGED IN TERMS OF THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SEEMS LIKE I DID A LITTLE BIT OF A STUDY AND I PROBABLY DID DIFFERENT COUNTIES OF SUNNI RANGES BETWEEN THE SHERIFF AND GENERAL PUBLIC. THE ORAL OVERLONG IN TERMS OF SOME CHARGE AND SOME CHARGE A NOMINAL FEE 7 OR 8 BUCKS TO COMMEND PROCESSION ONE OF THE SESSION MAY BE.

CERTAINLY WE HAVE A WIDE RANGE OF CHOICES THERE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO DO AND WHATEVER WE COLLECT CERTAINLY WILL OFFSET THE EXPENSES WHICH I THINK WOULD BE

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF OPERATING THE FACILITY. >> WE COULD OFFER A DISCOUNT FOR PEOPLE RENEWING THEIR CARRY PERMITS. ADJUSTABLE TO MARKET RIGHT

HERE. I WAS IMPRESSED BY THAT NUMBER. >> WE CAN ALWAYS OFFER A COUPON AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME OUT THEY GET IT DISCOUNT WHATEVER THE RATE MIGHT BE.

THOSE ARE ALL MARKETING THINGS IT CERTAINLY CAN BE APPROACHED WITH MEMBER FACILITY.

>> I LIKE TO EXPLORE COLLECT EXPLORE OTHER USES FOR THE PROPERTY.

WHEN I WENT OUT AND LEFT WAS A FIRST, RECOGNIZE WE REALLY WORKING ON A GUN RANGE OR THE

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NOW, FOR THE GUN RANGE WHEN I WAS CROSSING ABOUT THE NEED FOR BATHROOMS AND YOU KNOW PERKING THE TAJ MAHAL AND THERE. I CAN'T SEE SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONITORS FOR GUN RANGE.

IF INDEED WERE GOING TO PUT THE COUNTY WAREHOUSE IN THEIR AND ANOTHER SHOOTING RANGE AND I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT WAS JAMMED IN THERE. THEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THE NEED FOR THE TOTAL FACILITY AND IF THIS IS PART OF THAT FITS TOGETHER AND WE PAY A LITTLE MORE TO DEVELOP THE GUN RANGE BECAUSE DOWN THE ROAD WE KNOW WERE GOING TO HAVE A WAREHOUSE AND THERE WERE WERE GOING TO BE MOVING SOME EYES AND OUTLAW. NOW'S THE TIME TO SPEND THE MONIES ON THAT ROAD. WE NEED TO BRING THAT UP NOW. IN FULL DISCLOSURE.

SOME OF THESE GENTLEMEN ARE SAYING, HEY WERE SPENDING TO MUCH MONEY FOR GUN RANGE.

I'M GOING TO SAY, AB WE ARE. UNLESS, WERE GOING FOR THE FULL FACILITY LAYOUT.

EVENTUALLY. NOW IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE DEVELOPING THE GUN RANGE SO WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE INTO SOME OF THESE OTHER PROJECTS.

AS WHA'S GOING ON HERE? >> SO MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSIONER BOLLA.

SINCE 2015 I THINK THAT SHOULD RESONATE. SINCE 2015 THIS IS BEEN A DISCUSSION ITEM AT THE BOARD FLOOR. I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE COURSE OF TIME WHICH WERE TALKING 6 YEARS. A LOT OF THINGS HAVE BEEN ADDED VERBALLY LIKE TO THIS PROPERTY. IT'S A VERY NICE PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT HAS SOME CHALLENGES AS YOU WILL HAVE SEEN WHEN HE TOOK THE TOURS THAT THERE ONCE WAS A DAM THERE. THAT BROKE AND FAILED. THERE'S A CHALLENGE TO GET OVER TO THE PIECE OF PROPERTY USING THE PATH.E TALKED ABOUT ALTERNATE PATHS TO GET THERE.

COULD WE SHORTEN THE ROAD AND GO FROM A MORE SOUTHERLY ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY? AGAIN, THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD. IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP THAT APERTURE IT BECOMES EXTREMELY DIFFICULT BECAUSE THERE'S NO WATER AND SEWER THAT'S THERE. SO IF YOU TRY TO PROGRAM IN A WAREHOUSE, THE FIRST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE.OW DO YOU PUT THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM IN IT? HOW TO GET THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF PRESSURE? WHAT IS A STORAGETEK OF WATER THAT'S REQUIRED THERE? WHAT IS THE CAPACITY OF THE PUMPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE NEEDED AND THAT.

WHEN WE TOOK A LOOK AT THIS AND WHAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO THE BOARD AND I BELIEVE IT WAS BACK IN AUGUST AND WHAT WG I HAS BEEN WORKING ON IS THE GUN RANGE.

THE DECISION IN MARCH WAS DO WE THINK THAT THE GUN RANGE? DO WE WIDEN IT? BASED UPON THE SHERIFF'S REQUIREMENTS WERE AND WHAT THE BOARD'S DESIRE WAS TO HAVE A DUAL USE. I THANK YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THOSE AREAS AND ISSUES HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED TODAY AND IN THE PAST. WE'VE ALSO LOOKED ON IN ONE OF THE COLAS STIFFLY THERE EVEN ON:NUMBER ONE IS THAT ONCE THE SELECTION IS MADE WE CAN VALUE AN ENGINEER THINGS YOU KNOW A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THINGS. BUT NOT TALK ABOUT TOILETS IN THIS CASE. WE TALKED ABOUT THICKNESS OF THE ASPHALT AND ROAD OR INSTALL A DIFFERENT ROAD INTO GET TO IT. I THINK ORIENTATION AND LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY WAS ALSO DISCUSSED. AND AS YOU WALK IN SEAT WHEN HE WENT OUT THERE. YOU DON'T REALLY WANT IT RIGHT NEXT TO THE ROAD.

ANYONE IT FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM THE CHURCH THAT IS THERE THAT YOU SAW WHEN HE DROVE BID THAT WAS ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE. AND SO THIS IS QUITE A TASK. T'S TAKEN MANY YEARS TO EVEN GET TO THIS POINT. WITH REGARDS TO FUNDING STREAMS. WITH REGARDS TO USAGE. AND THAT. I THINK JEAN STARTED OFF.

JUST LOOKING HERE AT THE GUN RANGE TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT NOT ONLY CCSO BUT THOSE ARE LISTED AND HAVE AS DUAL USE.

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WE PUT THE GRANT AND IT WAS OVER $5 MILLION TO GET WATER AND SEWER INTO THAT AREA WITH CC AWAY. THAT WOULD BE A TRIPWIRE. DOUG BE AN AREA THAT WE NEED TO GET TO BEFORE HE COULD OPEN UP LOOKING AT IT WITH BLEACH IS TRYING TO FOCUS ON JUST THE GUN RANGE PORTION WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STIPULATIONS OF HIS BEEN DISCUSSED. ALSO, TALKING TO CAMP LANDING. THEY OFFERED UP THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT'S JUST OUT THERE OUTSIDE THEIR BACK GATE ¦ REPORT MIDDLE NOT.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AT THE GUN RANGE THERE IS WATER AND GAS LOCATED BY THIS ACREAGE I BELIEVE IT'S 10 TO 15 ACRES.

LET'S ALTER FORMER KEY MORRIS MINING AREA. THAT HAS SOME GREAT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME A BURNING BUILDING. OBVIOUSLY LOOKING FOR GRANTS ALONG THE LINES THERE. WE DO HAVE SOME CIP MONIES THAT WERE IN THERE IDENTIFIED.

THE PUBLIC MAY ASK, WHY IS A BIRD BUILDING IMPORTANT? WHY IS THE GAS IMPORTANT? WELL, ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN THROUGH FIREFIGHTING, I'VE BEEN THROUGH FIREFIGHTING NORTH FORK REQUIRES GAS TO LIGHT OFF, TO SIMULATE THE FIRE. THAT HEAT, THAT EXTRA STRESSOR THAT IS THERE SIMULATES THE FIRE WELL. ALSO A BUILDING THAT'S MORE THAN JUST ONE STORY SIMULATES CLIMBING AND GETTING HIGHER. USE OF THE LADDER TRUCK AND OUT. SO THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. AGAIN, OPENING UP ALL OF OUR OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND WHAT THE POSSIBLE FUTURE IS.

I WAS AN EASIER ANSWER COMMISSIONER BOLLA. WE LOOK AT IT WILL BE A GUN RANGE. IF THE BOARD PLEASURE LOOKS TO MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT IN THE 4 CO- WAS PRESENT AND IF THERE'S ANOTHER ONE DECIDED UPON THE 26TH.

IT'S GOOD FOR TO DISCOVER HER HAPPINESS NOW. THE 19TH IS WHEN WE HAVE THE CIP WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT AND AGAIN OCTOBER 26 TO FINALIZE CIP AND ARE MONIES THAT WILL HELP US OUT. THAT'S WHAT WE SET UP HERE IN DISCUSSION FOR THE BOARD.

WE TRY TO KEEP IT SIMPLE COMMISSIONER BOLLA THE GUN RANGE.

THE QUESTIONS CAME UP BEFORE ABOUT PARKING, ROADS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'VE ADDRESSED OUT. I THINK ON THE ROAD PORTION OF IT I WASN'T VERY HAPPY HOW LONG IT TAKES YOU TO GET OUT TO THE PROPERTY. I LIKE TO PERSONALLY SEE IT, SOUTHERN ROUTE TO GET TO THERE. I HAVE TALKED TO WALTER AND THE STAFF ABOUT THAT.

THAT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY. BUT, LOOKING AT IT WE COULD GO FORWARD FROM THERE.

>> CAN I ASK A FOLLOW-UP ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. >> YES MA'AM.

>> IF WE TOOK THE MORE SOUTHERLY AND WESTERLY, SOUTHWESTERLY ACCESS ON THEIR COULD WE THEN NOT HAVE TO REPAIR THE TOWN AND NOT TO ALL OF THAT WORK TABLE.

>> I THINK SO. YES MA'AM. IF YOU LOOKING AT FUTURE I THANK YOU'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE DAM IN SOME WAY THAT THERE.

IT IS KINDA DANGEROUS THAT IS THERE. UTILIZING ELEVATION CHANGE AS HE WENT FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY. I THINK WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE ENGINEERS TO LET US KNOW HOW

MUCH WE NEED TO FOCUS EFFORTS ON THAT. >> IF WE WEREN'T CROSSING AT.

>> YES MA'AM I'M WITH YOU. YOU COULD GO THAT ROUTE TO AN END TO GET THERE.

>> COULD YOU THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND WHEN WE BUILT FIRE STATION 11.

ALL THE FIRE EQUIPMENT GOES BEHIND THE STATION FIRE TOWER ROAD.

THE CHOICE WAS MADE NOT TO PAVE THAT ROAD. IT WAS TO DO THAT ROAD IN BILLINGS. CAN YOU TALK TO THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE AS COMPARED TO

PAVING THIS? >> I DON'T HAVE A HISTORY ON THAT NOR HAVE I BEEN BRIEFED ON THAT. I PERSONALLY DRIVEN OUT THERE AND I KNOW THERE IS A MILDRED ROAD BACK THERE. I WOULD CONSIDER POSTAGE SIDE PARCEL TO PUT A FIRE STATION ON

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SURE MAYBE, I THINK HE MAY BE WATCHING, MAYBE LAWRENCE IS WATCHING AND HE COULD COME INTO ADDRESS THAT. BY ALL MEANS, IF IT WASN'T DONE CORRECTLY IN THE PAST AND IT'S ON OUR RADAR ACCOUNT TO MOVE FORWARD TO DO SOMETHING AND IT'S A DESIRE TO THE BOARD TO FIX THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION WHETHER IT SPARKS ABOUT LIKE I HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE PARKS AND THE PARKING ON THE ROADS IN THE GRAVEL ROADS AND OUT. 2 OTHERS.

WE CAN LOOK INTO IT. WE CAN LOOK AT THE COST AND ADD THIS TYPE THINGS FOR APPROVAL

OF THE BOARD AND MOVE FORWARD. >> I WAS JUST WONDERING THAT THE DECISION MAKING, HOW THAT WAS DECIDED. THIS IS THE STATE SPECIFIC DECISION MADE TO NOT PAY THAT ROAD THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL ROAD THAT PEOPLE DRIVE DOWN EVERY DAY BUT OUR TRUCKS DRIVE DOWN TO OUR HEAVY TRUCKS I JUST WONDERED I THINK ABOUT TODAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE UNPREPARED SURFACE I THINK IT WAS STEVE OR MICHAEL MENTIONED. YOUR WEIGHING THE FACTOR OF OKAY HOW MUCH MORE MAINTENANCE IS ARE GOING TO BE ON THAT ROAD? HOW MUCH TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE ON IT? WHAT TYPE OF TRUCKS IS COMMISSIONER BOLLA MENTIONED. BUT THAT'S A POSSIBLE FUTURE USE.

AGAIN, I THINK THERE ARE SOME AREAS HERE AS WE'VE LOOKED AT THAT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT.

ONCE THE BOARD GIVES US SOME DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD OR NOT.

>> SO CAN YOU SPEAK WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE VALUE OF ENGINEERING PROCESS AFTER A CONTRACT IS NEGOTIATED. I THOUGHT THAT WHEN MAYBE IT WAS WHEN WALTER MET WITH US

WITH WTI, THAT THERE'S ONLY $100,000 THAT CAN BE CHANGED? >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE POSSIBLY ESTIMATED IN IT. AND WHAT SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WERE THAT WERE OUT THERE. HE STUFFED HER BABY TO ANSWER THAT BETTER POSSIBLY BE TAKEN

OUT AND MODIFY. >> I THOUGHT HE WAS INDICATING THAT'S ALL WE COULD MODIFY THE AGREEMENT WITHOUT GETTING INTO TROUBLE FROM PURCHASING?> KAREN MAY BE ALSO ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT ON HOW MUCH WE ARE ALLOWED TO MODIFY AND WHAT WE CAN DO.

>> I COULD TEAM UP WITH WALTER AS WELL. GIVE ME A FIGURE THAT WAS SLIGHTLY HIGHER THAN THAT. ALSO THE CAVEAT THAT REALLY IS A CONTRACTOR AT THAT POINT AND

WHETHER IF THEY WANT CHANGE OF DOLLAR AMOUNT OR NOT. >> RIGHT.

YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT.

>> WE WERE CONCENTRATING ON FORT LATHAN'S WHEN I TALKED TO HIM THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY I GUESS TALKED ABOUT ONE OF OUR BOARD MEETINGS THINGS TO SOME OF OUR CITIZENS ABROAD TO OUR ATTENTION. I WAS THINKING TO BE CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE IT HASN'T UPDATED. HE CAN IDENTIFY WHERE WE CAN GO AND TRULY GET THOSE COST LOWER

BUT WE CAN AGREE TO THAT BECAUSE HE'S NOT DOING IT. >> I DON'T THINK I WOULD'VE MY QUESTION WELL. WHAT I'M REALLY WANTED TO KNOW IS ON WHAT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THE 4 OPTIONS. ONLY TALK ABOUT IT ON THE 26TH AND CHOOSING OPTION ONE OR REALLY I THINK FAIRLY LIMITED ON HOW MUCH, IF WE WERE THAT IF WE WANTED FOR A TAKE MY

CORRECT? >> IS ACTUALLY CORRECT CAN YOU ADDRESS IT?

>> BENEFIT ALTERNATES IN THEIR CO-AUTHORS FOR ALTERNATES THAT ARE IN THEIR WHICH YOU COULD NEGATE ONE OF THE ALTERNATES THAT IS IN THERE. IF YOU CAN ADDRESS BEYOND THE

ALTERNATES, KAREN TOO. >> MAJOR PLAN CHANGES WOULD NEED TO BE PREVENTED IF YOU ADDED ANOTHER ANOTHER WAREHOUSE, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WERE NOT COMPETITIVELY BID WOULD RECOMMEND YOU PUT THAT BACK OUT TO BID. IF YOU CHANGE SEEDING TO SOD YOU REDUCE THE ASPHALT OPTIONS OF THE BED SIMILAR TO OTHER PARK PROJECTS.

WE DECIDED IN THE PAST TO GO FROM SEEDING TO SOD BASED ON DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

HOW QUICK YOU WANT OPEN THE PARK OR PUT THE PARK INTO PLAYING.

THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE DONE ON OTHER PROJECTS AS WELL.

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>> WHAT ABOUT THE TIMEFRAME? IF WE EXTEND THE TIME FRAME BECAUSE OF WHATEVER, STAFFING

SHORTAGES, STUFF CHARGES, SUPPLY SHORTAGES. >> SHIPPING COST WERE INCREASING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT AND ADDRESS THAT THROUGH CHANGE ORDER.

>> BUT IF WE CHANGE THAT NOW IS THAT NOT HAVE TO BE REBOOTED? >> I WOULD SAY NOT.

>> IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE ACTUAL KIND OF CHANGE IS WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME. DOLLAR AMOUNT IS NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IF IT HAS TO BE, THE BUILDING IS DIFFERENT THAN A ROAD ABOUT THE DIRECTION THE ROAD WILL GO.

>> IF YOU STAY WITHIN THE PERIMETER OF THE PROJECT THAT WAS BID I WOULD MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS I THINK THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED. AND I WOULD ASK, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS INTERNALLY SOMEWHAT. SOME MAJOR SCOPE CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO BE BED. IT WOULD ONLY BE FAIR TO THE BIDDERS AND WE COULD LOOK AT THEN WE HAVE COMPETITOR PRICING. MAJOR SCOPE CHANGES WOULD NEED TO BE BED. WE WENT FROM ASPHALT TO BILLINGS PARKING LOT AND ROAD.

THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE WITHIN THAT PARAMETER WE WENT HAVE TO REBID IT.

>> CRACKED. IF HE TOOK THAT TURN WHETHER OR NOT FROM AN ENGINEERING STANDPOINT THAT WE HAVE WHAT WE NEED OR WHETHER THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK IN AT THAT AND IF ARE COMING IN FROM A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. THAT WOULD BE OUT OF THE QUESTION. THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE ENGINEERS WE WOULD BE ABLE TO LEAVE THAT TO THE CONTRACTORS AND TO BUILD A ROAD WITHOUT POSSIBLE OR THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENGINEERING BECAUSE IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL.

NOT AN ENGINEER. THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AT THAT

POINT JUST A MINOR REBID. >> MAYBE WALTER COULD COMMENT ON THAT?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON ON WALTER Ã. WITH WTI. YOUR CORRECT COMMISSION.

THERE IS DIFFERENT SPECIFICATION WITH THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY VERSUS A PAVED ROADWAY WITH LIME ROCK BASE INSTALLATION. WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE ADDRESSED. AS FAR AS WITHOUT BE CONSIDERED WOULD BE MINOR OR SUBSTANTIAL.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DISCUSS WITH THE COUNTY IF IT CHANGES

IT'S OKAY. >> HOW MUCH WOULD WE SAY WITHOUT?

WOULD YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I KNOW WE WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT FOR THE PAVING REDUCING THE ASPHALT IT WAS A LANDMARK. THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL SAVING.

IT'S CLOSE TO THE PAVING SAVINGS ON. >> HOWEVER, IT AWARDED THIS CONTRACT YET. WHICH IS THE PAVING OF THE ROOM.

YOUR CODE REQUIRES YOU TO PAVE IT. YOU HAVE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS

TO EITHER AMEND THE CODE OR SEEK A VARIANCE.>> I THOUGHT THE PARKING LOT HAD TO BE

PAVED. >> OH OKAY. >> SO I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD

TRIGGER A REBID OKAY. >> SECOND COMMENT I HAVE. THIS HAD AN END DATE TO THIS

RFP. AND TATE WAS WHAT? >> DECEMBER 1.

>> DECEMBER 1. WE DELAY THIS PROCESS A MONTH ALREADY. SO I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD DO TO THE REBIDDING RFP PROCESS. IF WE SAY IT'S OFTEN VERY FIRST

INCIDENT OF DECEMBER 1. >> THE QUESTION WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD BE

ALLOWED TO PUT IT B. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD DO WITH RFP.

>> IT WOULD BE MORE RAPID CONSTRUCTION TIMEFRAME AND THERE WOULD BE SOME SAVINGS IF

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WE REBID. >> I DO KNOW THAT 3 CONTRACTORS THAT DO NOT BID BECAUSE OF THE TIMEFRAME THAT OPENS US UP TO ANY KIND OF A LEGAL CHALLENGE IF WE THEN REMOVE THAT NOW.

>> I THINK THAT WAS A PROVISION THAT WAS AN ADDENDUM OR SOMETHING WAS INCLUDED IN

CONNECTION WITH THE BID THAT PROVIDED FOR THAT EXTENSION. >> YEAH, IT CAME PRETTY LATE IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE THE ONE PERSON I DON'T HAVE PERMISSION THAT'S NOT PRESENT SO NO ONE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO IT IS. ONE CONTRACTOR TOLD ME THAT HE

HAD ALREADY DECIDED AT THAT POINT IT WAS TO LATE. >> BUT THE NOTICE WAS PROVIDED WITH THE NOTICE OF REQUIREMENTS. HONESTLY I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY DISAGREEMENT AMONG BOARD MEMBERS I'VE HEARD DON'T NEED A GUN RANGE.

TO SERVE CCSO 32,000 PERMIT HOLDERS AS PRIVATE CITIZENS IN THE COUNTY.

I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO JUST HOW MUCH WE ARE WILLING TO SPEND AND WHO'S GOING TO BUILD IT. SO MY CONCERN IS WE TARGET THE REBIDDING AND WE MAY INDEED GET SOME SAVINGS IN THIS REBID'S. SPECIALLY IF WE CHANGE SCOPE WHETHER IT'S THE TIMING.

WHETHER IT'S BILLINGS PARENTS POSSIBLE. MY ONLY CONCERN IS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WILL TAKE US ANOTHER WATCHING, THEFT REBID IS ANOTHER 60 DAYS?

KAREN?> 3 MONTHS. >> 90 DAYS. ALTHOUGH SAVINGS BEING EATEN BY INFLATION AS WE KNOW IT IN REGARDS TO THE COST OF MATERIAL GOING UP AND IN A CUNNING ENGINEERING WE MAY HAVE TO DO IN TERMS OF MOVING ROADS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO HOW MUCH WE WANT TO SPEND AND WAS GONNA BUILD IT AND WHETHER WE REBID IT AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BID THAT WE HAVE.

WHEN YOU REALLY BOIL IT DOWN I DON'T THINK THE COURSE OF ACTION TO BUILD IS A VIABLE ONE. AND SHELBY THE PROJECT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE, THIS IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO BUILD BECAUSE ALL THE PRICES ARE HIGH.

THE LINK TO GET HIGHER. WHAT IF WE EVER LOOK BACK AT HISTORY AND SYNERGIES, WE SHOULD'VE WAITED BECAUSE THE PRICE IS CHEAPER NOW THAN IT WAS 5 YEARS AGO.

THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. >> ACTUALLY THERE, BACK DOWN. >> I ORDERED A STEEL BUILDING 6 MONTHS AGO AND IT WAS DELIVERED LAST WEEK. AND IT'S ACTUALLY LIKE A CARPORT SHED. IT WAS A STEEL PROBLEM. THEY WORK AT A DELIBERATE BECAUSE THE PRICE HAD DOUBLED AND NOW PRINCES HAVE COME BACK DOWN AND THEY HONORED THEIR ORIGINAL PRICE. I THINK LUMBER PRICES ARE COMING DOWN.

>> ASKED, I KNOW THAT. >> I DID HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR STEVE.

THAT WASN'T ADDRESSED IN HERE. YOU MIND IF I ASK YOU? ONE OTHER ONE THAT WAS ON OUR LIST WAS ABOUT THAT ROOF MATERIAL. WHETHER ALUMINUM OR SOME OTHER

KIND OF ROOF MATERIAL. THAT NO WITH THE CODE SAID. >> ON THE PLANS ITS STANDING SEAM ROOF WHICH IS A METAL ROOF. IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER QUALITY.

BUT FOR MOST PART HE PUT THAT ON THERE AND YOU'RE DONE WORRIED ABOUT A ROOF.

THERE ARE 50 YEAR LIFE SPELL NOSE. YOU CAN REDUCE THE COST OF LITTLE BIT GOING WITH SOMETHING WITH AN EXPOSE FASTER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THE COST SAVINGS GOING TO BE WORTH WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH

THE SPONSORS OF THE FIBER WASHER START DETERIORATING. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> OKAY, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO OPEN A CAN OF WORMS HERE.

WHATEVER WE DECIDED TO TABLE THIS REMEMBER YOU SAYING THAT WHEN LOOKING AT A COST OF $30 MILLION. NOBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT THAT. THAT SECTION OF THE COST.

BE ABLE, ANYBODY ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THAT THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE OF WHAT THAT WAS PRESENTED FOR THAT AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY THE TRUTH. SO THAT REALLY SHOULD BE SPOKE

ABOUT I SHOULD THINK. >> I THINK THE UNDERSHERIFF IS GOING TO TAKE IT.

>> 'S ARE CURRENTLY FOCUSED ON THE JAIL EXPANSION WHICH WAS PART OF THE BUDGET THAT WAS JUST APPROVED CARE SHORT TIME AGO. THERE ARE NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PROPOSALS FOR JAILS. NOTHING'S BEEN DECIDED, NOTHING'S BEEN CHOSEN FOR ANYTHING SHORT-TERM. WHAT WERE FOCUSED ON OUTLETS EXPANSION THE CURRENT FACILITY AND OTHER STUFF PRETENTIOUS AT SOME POINT IN TIME THE FUTURE. THERE IS NO IMMINENT $30

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MILLION JAIL. >> POST THE PROBLEM WITH OUR COUNTY.HIS ROAD WERE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT COULD BE ON THIS BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR YEARS.WE DO NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT. WE NEED MORE JAIL SPACE.

WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT A PERSON BORN. THERE'S MANY THINGS WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT. THE HIGHEST NUMBER I HEARD FROM THE SHERIFF WAS AROUND 14 MILLION OF DIFFERENT THINGS WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT DIFFERENT PROPOSALS.

THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE WHATEVER WE THINK ABOUT NOT DOING THIS GUN RANGE.

>> THOSE ARE ALL RELATED TO SPREADING PER FACILITY. THE RIGHT, AT SOME POINT IN TIME IS GONNA BE A NEED TO PUT A FARM TYPE OF FACILITY THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE SENTENCE INMATES CAN GO AS A COST SAVINGS TO YOU CAN HOUSE A PRETRIAL IN YOUR VIOLENT FELONS

IN THE FACILITY NOW. >> THE OTHER THING WILL APPEAR UNDER THERE WERE SOME TALK ABOUT A WAREHOUSE. I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN THE SHRUBS SPOKE ABOUT EARLY ON, TRY TO BRING THAT INTO THE RANGE DISCUSSION ALL OF OUR MAJOR EQUIPMENT IS OUTDOORS RIGHT NOW SITTING OUTSIDE. I THINK WE DISCUSSED WITH MOST OF THE MEETINGS OF ONE POINT OR ANOTHER WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WAREHOUSE TRYING TO EXPAND THE LIFESPAN OF ALL THAT STUFF. I DON'T THINK IT WAS COMPLETELY NEW BUT MAYBE IT'S BEEN SO LONG SINCE WE DISCUSSED IT IT SEEMED LIKE IT WAS NEW. THAT IDEA HAS A GUN AWAY BECAUSE OUR STUFF IS STILL OUTSIDE. OUR TOP PRIORITY RIGHT NOW REALLY IS A RANGE. WE TALKED ABOUT HER DIFFICULTIES GETTING OUR PEOPLE NOT ONLY QUALIFIED BUT GETTING IN SOME MEANINGFUL TRAINING AND REALLY, REALLY STRUGGLING WITH WHAT'S AVAILABLE TO US WITH TRAVEL TIMES AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GET OUR SHOOTING DONE.

THE JAIL IS IMPORTANT THAT WE APPRECIATE MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR EXPANSION, YES.

WAREHOUSE IS SOMETHING SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE. WERE HAPPY TO SET DOWN AND TALK ABOUT SUPINE LONG-TERM. RANGE FOR US AS A CRITICAL SHORT-TERM NEED.

WITHOUT A DOUBT. >> GREAT. AGAIN, WHY SAY THAT IS WE TABLED THIS BECAUSE THAT WAS THE MAIN OR MAJOR REASON. BECAUSE LOOKING AT $30 MILLION

COST AND THAT'S NOT THE COST OF LOOKING AT. >> ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I VIEW THAT AS A PLACE OF HER SITUATION.

WE KNOW FORGOT HOW TO ADDRESS IT. THEY'RE NOT QUITE SURE I DON'T THINK, YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR 30 MILLION JAIL YET IS THAT CORRECT?

>> PLAN IS USED TO EXPANSION THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF. >> RIGHT.

THAT'S ABOUT 4 5 MILLION BUCKS LEASE RIGHT NOW. >> FOR NOW.

POTENTIAL FOR FURTHER EXPANSION LATER.>> IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A POLICE STATION SOMEWHERE

TOO WINNETKA. >> THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO EXPAND THE JAIL.

IF SO, YOU ARE CORRECT. >> I THINK IT ALL PLAYS IN TOGETHER.

BECAUSE, THE LAST TIME THE SHERIFF SAT REBAR SHE SAID, ARE MOST CRITICAL NEED RIGHT NOW IS THE JAIL. SHE DIDN'T JUST SAY THE JAIL EXPANSION.

SHE DIDN'T JUST SAY THE POTENTIAL $30 MILLION JAIL. SHE SAID JAIL CAPACITY AND SO WE WENT FROM 4 AND A HALF MILLION UP TO 4.8 MILLION IN THE EXPANSION SO I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HOW LONG TO STOP BY? I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT COMMISSIONER BURKE AND I AGREE THAT IT HAS TO BE ADDRSSED. THERE ARE LOTS OF NEEDS IN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED FOR YEARS AND WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO BALANCE ALL OF THOSE AND SO IS IT, ONLY LOOK AT THAT CIP IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE JAIL, THE NEW JAIL OR THE BUILDING EXPANSION PART OF THE EXPANSION. WAS IN YOUR 6 TO 10 AND THEN IN THE LAST TIME THE SHERIFF WAS HERE IN JULY OR AUGUST I BELIEVE IT WAS SHE HAD MOVED THAT UP INTO YEARS ONE THROUGH 5. SO BECAUSE YOU ALL OVERCAPACITY

AT THAT POINT. >> WE ARE TODAY AS WELL. >> SO, WHAT DOES THE $4.8

MILLION EXPANSION GET? HOW MANY YEARS? >> ,WORK OFF A MEMORY AND I DON'T HAVE MY JAIL EXPANSION STUFF WITH ME.TODAY OF COVERAGE PACKET WITH ME AND THAT'S WHAT I STUDIED ON TO BE READY FOR. I BELIEVE IT WAS A 10 YEAR RANGE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. ONCE YOU NOT HAVE THOSE MATERIALS WITH ME.

>> OKAY THANKS. >> THAT'S ONE QUESTION I ASKED ABOUT A BUDGET WORKSHOP.

WE COULD DETERMINE WE'VE GOT X NUMBER OF OVERAGES IN TERMS OF EVERY MONTH IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT WE ARE KEEPING IN THE JAIL. GOING FORWARD AND LEAKS USED OF CHARIS ECOMONY TO GET US EVEN TO WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE WITH SOME OF THE MAINTENANCE ITEMS

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MAYBE WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE MONIES FROM YEARS ONE THROUGH 5 TO GET TO SPENDING YOUR FIVES WE CAN HAVE IT READY FOR YOUR 6. THOSE ARE THINGS I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT WILL MAKE IT CIP MEETING. AS TO WHERE THOSE MONIES ARE TRY TO LOOK AT THE CRISTOBOL AND SEE WHAT WE THINK THE REVENUES WILL BEING IN TERMS OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SALES TAX AND OTHER MONIES THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE TO US IN TERMS OF GRANTS AND OTHER FUNDING AND BE ABLE TO SLICE THAT IN TO BE READY WHEN WE NEEDED TO BE READY.

>> SO, THAT'S HER PLATE. >> OUR PLATES ARE FULL. >> YES.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> I APPRECIATE YOU ALL HELP IN LOOKING AT THE LONG-TERM, REALLY DO.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> IF WE WILL LET'S MAYBE DO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND THEN WE WILL DISCUSS WHAT REFERRED AND WHAT'S ON HER MIND AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS HERE. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING THIS AFTERNOON MAKING YOUR COMMENT KNOWN CERTAINLY CAN FILL OUT A CARD AND HANDED IT THE LADIES LOOK AT IT TO ME. KEVIN SHIELDS IS THE FIRST CARD.

KEVIN, DOWN CRIB LET'S HEAR FROM YOU. WHEN YOU GET HERE IDENTIFY

YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. >> ABSOLUTELY. GOOD AFTERNOON KEVIN SHIELDS WITH FORESIGHT CONSTRUCTION. LOCATED 3491 PALL MALL DRIVE SUITE 204 IN JACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. 32257. JUST FROM A CONTRACTOR'S STANDPOINT I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR PUTTING ON THIS WORKSHOP.

PREVENTING OUT THE OPTIONS FOR ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S A VERY EXCITING PROJECT. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT. TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS EVENT, THIS VIDEO. TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY WE CAN. SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR GROUP HERE WITH US. OF COURSE WE ARE WILLING TO GET STARTED AND LOOK AT OPTIONS, ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP ASSIST TO SAVE COST AND LOOK AT BUDGET CONCERNS.

WE WERE HERE AT THE LAST MEETING. WE HAVE THOSE CONCERNS.

EARLY WORK ON SOME THAT PROCESS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN FIND SOME SAVINGS.

OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NOT A LOT WE CAN VET OUT UNTIL AN AWARD HAS BEEN GIVEN AND WE CAN TALK TO SOME CONTRACTORS. THERE ARE OPTIONS AND WE ARE AVAILABLE AS A RESOURCE.THANK

YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT.

MR. HENDRY. >>. >> A GOOD AFTERNOON MR. SHERMAN AND COMMISSIONERS. AND ÃHENDRY ¦ [INAUDIBLE].

I WANT TO BRING A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE TO THIS. THIS IDEA WAS HATCHED IN 2009.

I'M SORRY, 2013. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. SHERIFF ÃTHIS WAS ITS PET PROJECT YEARS AGO AND IS SOLELY MADE IT THROUGH TO THIS POINT. IT TOOK US A WHILE FOR THE FORMER COUNTY MANAGER TO PURCHASE THE LAND. SHE DID A GOOD JOB ACQUIRING IT FOR US.HIS WHOLE TIME WHICH IS BEEN STEADILY ALTHOUGH WOULD BE SLOW MOVING TOWARD GETTING THE RANGE FOR THEM. OR BUILT. SHARE THIS WITH YOU ALL BEFORE.

A LOT OF THE PUBLIC SEES THIS WHOLE PROCESS AS HAVING ONLY 3 SPEEDS, SLOW, SLOWER AND SLOWEST. I WAS PART OF IT SO I CAN'T CONTINUE FOLKS.

I TAKES A LONG TIME TO GET STUFF DONE. IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING WHEN YOU CAN BUILD SOMETHING TO THE LIKES OF THE PARK STAY BUILDING IN A MATTER TIME IT TAKES TO BRING A PROJECT LIKE THIS TO FRUITION. SO, WITHIN THIS ABOUT 9 YEARS NOW. THAT TO ME IS JUST A LITTLE LONG.

I THINK WERE PAST THE PUBLIC PORTION BESIDES HAVING THE RANGE FOR THE PUBLIC.

I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER MY PAST THIS WHEN I WAS UP THERE THE COMMISSIONERS SAID ABOUT VOTING FOR THIS UNLESS THE PUBLIC CAN COME OUT SOON. EVERY CALM.

[LAUGHTER]. COMMISSION, 8. >> SUPPORTED IT.

>> THE FORMER R TAKES S SPIRIT BECAUSE WERE STILL PUTTING MEAT ON THOSE BONES.

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THE GOVERNMENT 50 OR HUNDRED 60 ACRES? 50.

>> -50,THAT'S A LOT OF LAMPPOSTS. >> WHAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND A LOT OF THIS I HAS SOME IMPORTANT OINTS.

THE FUTURE OPERATIONS COMMISSIONERS OFFICE. PATROL STATION.HAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO PUT IN OPERATION CENTER FOR MAGIC CORRECTLY.

>> STORAGE CENTER FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE OF ACCOUNTING. GREAT THINGS IN STORAGE OUT THERE. SOME MODIFICATIONS OF COURSE. OUR FACILITY GOES WITHOUT SAYING. ONE OF THE THINGS TALKED ABOUT THE EXPANSION EARLIER, IT'S A GREAT PLACE FOR PRISON FORM. IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF THE JAIL FOR LOW COST YOU BUILD PRISON FORM JACKSONVILLE'S COUNTRY. TAKE ALL YOUR PEOPLE PUT THEM OUT THERE FOR 6 TO 8 MONTHS AND THEN SEND HOME. SAVE THIS SPACE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADJUDICATED OR FOR THOSE HUSBAND WAITING TO TRANSPORT TO STATE PRISON. THAT WILL ADD YEARS AND YEARS TO THE LIFE OF THIS BUILDING.

NO THERE SOME MOVEMENT IN THEIR ASTHMA IS NOT HAPPENING. WE GOING TO GET UTILITIES OUT THERE IN SUPPORT OF PRISON FORM. IF WE HAD UTILITIES IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. MR. COMMISSIONER BOLLA SAID. WHAT IS LOOK LIKE? WE CAN LOOK LIKE WHATEVER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ACCOUNT WILL ALLOW.

THERE SOME GREAT POTENTIAL FOR PUTTING STUFF OUT THERE. IF IT'S DONE AND DONE RIGHT.

I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE HERE TODAY FOR LITURGY, LET'S COME TO SOME DECISION ON WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO WITH US. I'VE GOT A DEAD HORSE MY FORM I COULD BE OUT THERE BEATING INSTEAD OF COMING DOWN HERE IN BEATING THIS MORNING. BUT, FORGOT TAKE WITH MAKE A DECISION ON THIS. THIS PROJECT IS LONGER.

AND SOMETIMES WONDER FOREVER TO GET THERE. AND I REALIZED THAT YOUR CHARGES TO BE GOOD STORAGES COMING RUNNING I RESPECT THAT I THANK YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.

LET'S FIGURE OUT SOME POINT TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER.

ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF AND HER PEOPLE. THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUFFERING RIGHT NOW. GOTLAND SITTING OUT THERE DOING NOTHING WITH GOPHER HOLES.

WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS SHAPE OR FASHION. ETIQUETTE ROADS GOING IN THERE FOR LOOKING AT THE OTHER FACILITIES AND IS GOING TO BE WELL FOR THEM A NOTE BECAUSE SOMEONE IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW. MY PAPERS ARE NOW.ET'S GET THE RANGE UP AND RUNNING WITH LOWEST COST POSSIBLE WHEN IT COMES TIME TO BUILD PRISON FORM, STORAGE BUILDINGS, FIRE ACADEMY OR WHATEVER OPERATION CENTER, LET'S ADDRESS THAT THEN.

LET'S GET THIS THING SAID AND DONE. I FOR ONE, MY PATIENCE IS ABOUT HAD IT WITH US. NOT WITH Y'ALL. WITH THE PROJECT ITSELF.

THINK ABOUT WERE DOING AN INJUSTICE TO THE COUNTY. WITHOUT GOING TO HEAD AND MOVING THIS AND GIVING THIS CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY A PLACE TO GO AND SHOOT THEIR WEAPONS.

>> THANK YOU MR. HENDRY. >> THANK YOU SIR. TERMS WAT SHERIFF'S OFFICE RANGE. A FEW THINGS I'VE GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE ACCOUNTING RANGE BUSINESS. I SEE THAT WERE GOING TO BRING OTHER INDIVIDUALS IN YOUR TO USE THIS RANGE. ONE BEING THE PUBLIC.

PUBLIC STORMS HAVE THROUGH THIS. IF YOU REALLY PUT THE WRITING APPEARED TO BE GOOD STEWARDESS. YOUR DROP IN WHAT YOU DO. SEE OTHER DEPARTMENTS COMING IN. I HAVE DEALT OBJECTION TO OTHER FORMS COMING IN.

WE NEED GET THE BILL FOR 20 LET'S BE PRETTY HIGH. WHEN IS A PRETTY HIGH SKY .

SO, THE AFE FOR THEM TO PAY TO GO TO ARRANGE THEIR TIME STUFF LIKE THAT.

THEY SHOULD BE REIMBURSING ARE PART OF THE COUNTY SO THAT WHEN HE APPEARED WE WILL COST TAXPAYERS A COUPLE YEARS WITH HIS COMES TO PEOPLE IN HERE THE BUILDING AND GET THE LEAD ON

THE RANGE. >> OF THE TIMES ONCOMING PRODUCTS WE PUT A BID FOR

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>> THANK YOU SIR. >> RYAN WORTHINGTON. >> RIGHT RELIGION ÃLECTURE 4200 COUNTY ROAD 218. EVERY STAIR BEEN HERE MY OWN LIFE.

I'VE BEEN ON THIS PROJECT. AS I WAS PUTTING THE SHOP LOOKING AT THE PRICES COMING IN. AS HE SAID THE ROOF THE ROOF THEY SUSPECT OUT.

I CAN PUT A GALVANIZED ROOF WE CALL A 2 EXAM IDENTITY. WHO THOUSAND DOLLARS.

IN THE DIFFERENCE. JUST IN THE ROOF. THERE'S A BUNCH OF ITEMS IN HERE THAT I FOUND THAT WE COMFORTABLY DO SOME COST SAVINGS ON.

THAT WAS MY MAIN GOAL IN HERE. WHEN I COME APPARENTLY TO THIS. HOW MUCH MONEY REACHES GIVING AWAY. ON ITEMS. BASICALLY LIKE MARK AND POINTE VEDRA BUYING TILE FROM ITALY. THIS IS NOT NOT IN POINTE VEDRA.

BERKELEY COUNTY. IT'S STILL THE SAME QUALITY STUFF.

WE WILL HAVE THE SAME GOOD PRODUCT. BASED ON THE SAME WARRANTY.

HE WILL NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE. STILL STANDING SEAM ROOF.

I SEE THAT THERE'S TO MUCH MONEY GOING TO WASTE ON THIS PROJECT.

IF WE DONE THE MEL LAWRENZ AMOUNTS OF SIDING GET RID OF THAT BRIDGE AND GET RID OF A LOT OF DRAINAGE. DO YOUR BAR PITS ON THE SOUTH END.

WE HAVE TO DO CORE SAMPLES OF THE DONE THAT YET. WE COULD MOVE THEM BAR PITS CLOSER. I EXTEND THAT TIMEFRAME. I DON'T LIKE STANDING IN BED.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL BUT IT'S GOING TO BE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT IN THE PROJECT ON THAT TIMEFRAME. YOU CAN PUT UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND TRY TO BUILD A WALL AROUND IT ALL THE SAME TIME.

IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. GIVE US TIME. Y'ALL SPENT MORE TIME ON THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO GIVE US. WE COULD DO IT IN STAGES LIKE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INTO IT PROPER. BUT WE CAN TAKE YOUR TIME AND GET ALL YOUR STUFF IMPROPERLY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> DALE CARTER?

>> DALE CARTER, 2141 WILLIE CARTER ROAD. BEEN ONE OF THE MAIN ROADS THAT'S BEEN SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. THIS HASTE DECEMBER 1 WAS CAUSING THE BIDDERS, BID THIS JOB BECAUSE OF DECEMBER 1. THE LD IS ON THE END OF IT. IF YOU HAVE THIS JOB $600,000 A MONTH SO FAR 6 MONTHS. THERE IS NO REASON TO HAVE THIS HASTE.

YOU HAVE LUMBER PRICES GOING DOWN ON. YOU HAVE METAL, EVERYTHING COMING DOWN. BUT, ALSO JUST GOING TO SAY YOU'RE SAYING THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR JUST TO MAINTAIN THIS. THIS PLACE. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

THERE IS NO IRRIGATION ON THE STRONG. THE ROAD HAS GOT BETTER ASPHALT AND BETTER LIME ROCK ON IT THEN WENT TO 18 DOSE. IT'S A WASTE.

THERE IS SO MUCH WASTE ON THIS PROJECT. NOT SAYING NOTHING ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS BUT, SOME OF THE STUFF THAT YOU ALL HAVE HERE SHOULD BE LOOKING OVER THESE PROJECTS BEFORE YOU BEEN THE AMOUNT. THIS PROJECT WAS NOT LOOKED OVER VERY WELL. IF IT WAS SOMEBODY TO DO THEIR JOB.

SORRY, THAT'S JUST THE TRUTH. IF YOU COULD FIND WITH A CONTRACTOR LIKE ME OR RYAN COULD GO THROUGH THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE DO IS LOOK FOR CHANGE ORDERS.

IF, $25,000 WELL SITTING THERE. IS A 4 INCH WELL ON THE SITE. THERE IS SUBJECT LEARNING ON THE SITE. NEXT, AT 10 5500. THE ONLY THING YOU GOTTA DO IS GO ONE FLOOR DOWN AND ASKED THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND THEY CAN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S ON THE JOB. 4 INCH WELL. ANY GOOD TO GET NOTHING BETTER.

HE PUT A PUMP IN AND GOT IT. THIS $25,000 SAVINGS. NOTHING AGAINST OUR CONTRACTOR RIGHT THERE. THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO. HE'S GOING TO GOOD FRIENDS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IS PAID FOR.HE'S GETTING PAID FOR THIS.

Y'ALL OF THE ONES THAT ARE WASTING RUNNING, NOT HIM. YOU CAN'T BLAME HIM.

IF YOU PUT THIS THROUGH THERE WILL BE ANOTHER 3 QUARTERS WORTH OF CHANGE ORDERS ON THE SHOW. IF YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA SAVE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY, THIS IS NOT THE PLAN. NEEDS TO BE REBUILT AND REDONE US THE PUBLIC TO COME BACK AND

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EVERYONE BUT BETSY. GIVEN TO MR. MANAGER BUT HE DIDN'T ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. >> ANYONE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING THIS AFTERNOON? SEEING CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. INTERESTED IN IF ANYBODY HAS

ANY DISCUSSION. >> YES WE ALL GOT A COPY OF THAT BY THE WAY.

YES. >> UNDERSTAND THAT. >> BILL GOTTA BE MR. CARTER'S

PLAN OR WHATEVER. >> UNKNOWN, HE SAID THE PLANS. ACTUALLY LOOK TO THE PLANTS.

IT WAS A BIG ROLE OF DRAWINGS. >> OH, OKAY. >> OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT PUTTING

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

>> I KNOW THAT WAS THE PEOPLE THE BID WERE WITHIN 10 PERCENT. OUR COMPANIES WERE THAT BID

CLICKERS 5. >> AND THEY WERE ALL WITHIN 10 PERCENT OF THE SAME BID?

>> . >> COULD ANYONE SPEAK ON WITH THINGS THAT MR. CARTER JUST SAID I'M SORRY MR. WORTHINGTON ABOUT THE ALUMINUM ROOF? CAN ANYONE SPEAK ON THAT?

>> STEVE CAN HELP US OUT WITHOUT. WALTER PROBABLY CAN.

HIS PEOPLE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT LITTLE BIT. >> AGAIN, LOOKING FOR THE PLANS. STANDING SEAM ROOF. EVERY PAGE I SEE EVERY DETAIL I

SEE NOT SURE WHAT IS LOOKING AT FOR ALUMINUM ROOF. >> DOESN'T SPECIFY ALUMINUM.

JUST STANDING SEAM. >> INSERT. NO DOUBT BUNCH OF THESE BEFORE HE CAME UP. THAT'S WHAT SPARKED ON HAMP INVESTMENTS HERE.

THAT'S THE STANDARD DETAIL FOR THESE THINGS. ON THE ELEVATIONS HERE.

THROUGHOUT THE PLANS. >> IT WAS THE SAME THING HE IS REFERRING TO THE.

>> THE STANDING SEAM IS A METAL ROOF. IT'S A PAINTED METAL ROOF.

TYPICALLY. HE'S TALKING ABOUT A GOBLIN WITH BE PAINTED SHINY METAL ROOF MORE OR LESS. THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES TO WITH DIFFERENT EXPOSED FOSTER THIS KIND OF THINGS. IT'S A DIFFERENT PRODUCT. IT'S A LESS EXPENSIVE PRODUCT.

YES. BUT, YOU HAVE DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE ITEMS WITH THOSE TOO. THIS VALUE ENGINEERING THINGS AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THIS TYPE OF MATERIALS. YOU WANT TO DO ANY OF THOSE

KINDS OF THINGS. SEE WHAT KIND OF CROSS. >> WHAT WE ARE HAVING HERE IS A BETTER QUALITY, WILL IT LAST LONGER? WHAT WOULD BE THE REASON WHY

ONE VERSUS THE OTHER? >> THE STANDING SEAM ROOF DOESN'T HAVE EXPOSED FASTENERS.

SO ANYTIME YOU'VE GOT A SCREW GOING TO THAT PIECE OF METAL THAT WEATHERPROOFING PART OF THAT IS FIBER WASHER. THEY ARE EXPOSED TO UV RAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT SO THEY DETERIORATE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU 2 OR 3 YEARS. BUT, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A

DIFFERENCE MOVING FORWARD. >> AND THE ONE YOU WERE SAYING WILL LAST LONGER, TYPICALLY,

YES. >> ,THANK YOU. >> THE ROOF IS ON THE COVER

THAT THEY ARE SHOOTING UNDER THE ROOF? >> IN THE RESTROOM.

>> ON THE AND ON THE CREATIONIST SPOT. >> IT WOULD BE ON THE SURGERY

OF THE BATHROOMS? >> ALL OF THAT'S GOT THE SAME ROOF.

YES, SIR. >> OKAY. >> KAREN TO HAVE THE ORIGINAL

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BIDS? >> THERE WAS A COP IN EACH OF YOUR BOXES WITH THE 5 ATTACHED.

>> GRABBED THE WRONG FOLDER WHEN I CAME IN. THIS IS A 2021 GUN RANGE FOLDER AS OPPOSED TO B WE GO. THANK YOU JIM. COMMISSIONER BILL ME OUT HERE.

>> REVOCABLE QUESTIONS WHY YOU'RE HERE. >> GO AHEAD.

BORN 12. VISIBLE PROPERTY. BY THE USE THAT WELL WE.

>> WALTER? >> THERE IS AN EXISTING WELL, AT LEAST ONE OR 2 WELLS.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME WITH THIS?

>> YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. THAT'S A TIMER.

>> THERE IS AT LEAST ONE OF THE WELLS ON THE PROPERTY BY THE HOUSE.

THAT'S ACROSS THAT TIP THAT YOU HAD TO DRIVE THROUGH IF YOU WENT TO THE RANGE SITE.

SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET AWAY. WE WOULD HAVE TO TEST THE WELL IF WE WERE TO USE IT.

WE DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION OF IT. IT HAS BEEN USED IN A WHILE.

WE ELECTED TO PUT A WELL AND SEPTIC NEARBY. THERE'S ALSO SEPTIC TANK BUT BY GRAVITY WOULD BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO USE THAT SAME SEPTIC TANK.

WE DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION OR THE SIZE OF IT EITHER. SO THAT IS WHY WE ELECTED TO

PUT A WELL BY THE FACILITY. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE WELL? >> I WOULD HOPE THAT PROPERTY DIDN'T CHANGE HANDS WITH THAT WELL STILL OPEN. BECAUSE THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW.

HOPEFULLY THAT WELL WAS CAPPED PROPERLY WHEN THE REAL ESTATE CLOSING HAPPENED.

FROM MY PAST LIFE THAT TYPICALLY TO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE 1, ON THE PROPERTY, WILL LIKE THAT WOULD'VE HAD TO BEEN CLOSED AND CAPPED.

TO CHANGE HANDS. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE CAN CERTAINLY APPROACH THAT QUESTION WITH SOMEONE TO GIVE US AN ANSWER. MOST OF US AROUND THE PROPERTY CHANGED HANDS. I WANT THE BIDS, PRICE COMPARISON SHEET BECAUSE MR. WORTHINGTON INDICATED THAT HE HAD GIVEN OUR PLANS ONCE OVER AND INDICATED ULTIMATE PLANS AND ALTERNATE MATERIALS HAVE YOU IN TERMS OF VALUE ENGINEERING AS HE WENT ALONG IN TERMS OF HIS BED. BASIC BEEN, HE WAS A 30,000 DOLLARS MORE THAN THE LOWEST BID IN TERMS OF HIS OVER ALTERNATES HE WAS ABOUT 20 $50,000 MORE.

MY QUESTION WOULD BE, MR. WORTHINGTON IF YOU WERE GONNA SAVE US PLENTY ONE AND HAVE SHOWN UP IN THE BID PACKAGE? WE COULD COME UP AND ANSWER IF YOU'D LIKE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS.INDICATED BEFORE GWEN ERUPTS SAYING BY CHANGING OUT THE ROOF IT WOULD

BE A DUST OR WHAT HAVE YOU. YOUR BID WAS TO HIRE GOOD. >> I'M NOT SURE PHYLLIS EMAIL.

I COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT AND SEE. I DID ASK ABOUT DOCUMENTS ON HERE. AS OF THE ELECTRICAL SERVICE, THE ROOFING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. IT SAID BID IT AS PER ISSUE. THAT'S HOW IT WAS PROPOSED TO US. THE ROOFING ON THIS AND IS ON FOOTNOTE 3 IN YOUR SPECIFICATIONS ON S100. IT CALLS FOR AN ALUMINUM ROOF. A GOBLIN ROOF CAN BE PAINTED.

THEY LOOK IDENTICAL. YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ALUMINUM AND A GOBLIN ROOF. ON YOUR SPECIFICATIONS CALLS FOR AN ALUMINUM ROOF.

I BET IT PER DRAWINGS. BECAUSE WE AS A CONTRACTOR SO IF I TRY TO PUT A GOBLIN ROOF IN THERE IT'S GONNA COST ME HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO LOSE A BUNCH OF HONEY.

I'VE GOT TO BID IT PER YOUR RFP. >> RIGHT.

>> THERE'S NO WAY I COULD PUT ALTERCATIONS OR ALTERNATES IN THERE THROUGH THE ENTIRE SCOPE.

>> AND BY PAINTING THE ROOF WHEN THAT INDICATE AT SOME POINT YOU'D HAVE TO REPEAT IT?

>> YOU CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE. >> THE MAKE IT ON.

>> MUCH ON THE RIFFS YOU SEE. >> ONE IS TURNING ONE IS NOT. >> ALL OF THE GROUPS YOU SEE PRETTY MUCH OUR KATHLYN. IT'S LIKE A GOBLIN STYLE ROOF. THEY COME PAINTED.

IT'S AN ALUMINUM ROOF. IT'S JUST A LOT MORE MONEY VERSUS REGULAR ROOF.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A ROOF IN HER HOUSE IT'S CAN BE A GOBLIN ROOF.

IF GO WITH THE STANDARD SCENE. IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME. HIS GOOD GUY IDENTICAL.

STANDING THERE LOOKING AT YOU CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE. >> I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

AS TO HUBERT TALK ABOUT SAVING US PLENTY BUT YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION TERMS OF THE BIN.

>> I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE SERVICE AND HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK TO MY EMAILS.

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>> THAT'S EQUAL ACROSS LIFE EVERYBODY. >> ACCOUNT BID IT WITH QUALITY

AND THE VERSESB&.>> UNDERSTAND. I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION.

>> NO PROBLEM. >> ACTUALLY SPECKED THAT OUT IN OUR DRAWINGS, RIGHT?

SO THE REASON IT WAS ALUMINUM WAS BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR IT. >> CORRECT.

EVERYTHING WE GOT THE BID WOULD'VE BEEN ANSWERED AS MR. WORTHINGTON EXPLAINED.

>> OKAY. >> I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SAME ROOF WE USE ON OTHER COUNTY BUILDINGS, IS THAT CORRECT? RIGHT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ITEMS BEFORE BEING

ADJOURNED? GO AHEAD. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE

COMPLETION DATE. STANDS AT ONE DECEMBER? >> SO ONCE WE AWARD THE BID WE PWOULD ABIDE BY THAT SAME TIMELINE THAT WAS IN THE BANK. OF COURSE IT WOULD BE EXTENDED PAST DECEMBER 1. IF IT ALLOWED FOR 60 DAYS FOR COMPLETION WE WOULD STILL GO WITH THE 60 DAYS. RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE THE DECEMBER. THEY WOULD BE GIVEN ADDITIONAL TIME BEYOND WHAT THEY WOULD'VE

BEEN GIVEN. >> IF HE WANTED TO CHANGE THAT THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE MAJOR

COMPONENTS THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE RUBEN. >> UNLESS THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE AS WE CLARIFIED IN A CLARIFICATION IF THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE MATERIAL IS BEING DELAYED. BASING THIS ON A ROAD PROJECT. THERE WERE SOME PIPE THAT THE MANUFACTURER SAID WILL SHIP FOR X AMOUNT OF DAYS. WE EXTENDED THE CONTRACT BASED ON THAT. WE CAN'T HOLD THE CONTRACTOR RESPONSIBLE FOR SOMETHING THEY

DON'T HAVE CONTROL OVER. >> THAT WAS IN THAT CLARIFICATION.

IF THEY COULD START EXPLAIN MATERIAL WE WOULD ISSUE A CHANGE ORDER EXTENDING THE TIME

OF THE CONSTRUCTION BASED ON. >> WILL LAST QUESTION. IF WE SHOULD AVOID THE CONTRACT WITHOUT ALTERNATIVES FOR NUMBER 3. WE COULD SPEND UP ABOUT A $284,000 SAVINGS MINUS WHATEVER IT WOULD TAKE TO ENGINEER A MILLINGRIG WENT INTO THE PROJECT.

AM I CORRECT? THIS WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE BID A LITTLE CLOSER. THERE WOULD BE SOME CAUSE. THE EXPENSE OF THE BID 284,000.

>> PERSONAL DRAINAGE WORK AND SOME THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE TO TAKE PLACE.

>> WE CAN SAVE $20,000. SOMEWHERE IN THERE. BALLPARK.

>> WERE ENGINEERS PUT SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER AND AGAIN WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK

AT THE LOW BIDDER'S NUMBERS TO SEE IF THEY MATCH UP. >> ERIC, WITH WTOL.

AS WALTER LOU TO ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CONTRACTOR TO THE GIVE THE WORD COST SAVINGS. IF YOU TAKE THE ALTERNATE OUT THERE WOULD BE SOME SAVINGS AS KAREN MENTIONED. THERE ARE SOME DRAINAGE AND EARTHWORKS TO REPAIR THE ROAD AS WELL AS HOW YOU WOULD DELINEATE THE ROOM. PAVEMENTS ARE EASY TO DELINEATE. IF YOU GO TO STABILIZE RUBEN OR POTENTIALLY A GRAVEL PATH.

THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES WE LOOKED OUT. IS HE SOME PARKS ESPECIALLY PARKING AREAS WHERE YOU'VE GOT 4 X 4 POST TO A CERTAIN INTERVAL.

YOU WOULD WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC STAYS AND WHERE WE INTEND THEM TO

DRIVE OUR PARKING LOT WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO. >> I GUESS WE LOOK AT THIS OCTOBER 26 WON'T KNOW WHAT THE SAVINGS WILL BE IF WE DO NOT AWARD ANNOUNCEMENT NUMBER 3.

>> NOT THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR YOU KAREN BUT, THE COUNTY PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO NOT ALLOW US TO PRE-NEGOTIATE WITH A POTENTIAL WINNER SO ALL OF THE FIGURES THAT HAVE BEEN QUOTED BY WTI ARE ENGINEERING ESTIMATES.

THEY ARE JUST OUT. SEE THAT WOULD OCCUR WITH AWARD NEGOTIATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR THAT SUPPORTED THE PROJECT. SO THERE ARE BEST ENGINEERING ESTIMATE BASED ON HISTORICAL VALUES INFORMATION WE HAVE. I CANNOT THEIR BID WITH HER WILLING TO DO WANTING.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT GOOD CONNECT MANAGER CHAPMAN VEGAS MR.

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I HEARD SOME DISCUSSIONS LIKE COMMODITIES. I THINK EACH OF US YOU KNOW CAN HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT COMMODITIES. MISTRESS TALK ABOUT GAS FOR INSTANCE. I MEAN, THE FLUCTUATION IN GAS PRICES IS UNBELIEVABLE.

WITHIN A MONTH LISA HAS GONE $0.40. EITHER $3.15 A GALLON ON THE WAY DOWN TO 2 DOLLARS IF YOU SOUTH OF HERE. I LOOK AT THESE THINGS.

COVID, THE PANDEMIC HAS AFFECTED ALL RESOURCES AND ALL COMMODITIES ACROSS THE BOARD.

IF YOU'D LIKE, IF IT'S A DESIRE OF THE BOARD WE COULD GET MAYBE IF HE WITH THESE PRICES, I CAN ASK STEVE WHEN IT COMES TO CONSTRUCTION ITEMS, KIND OF GIVE THE BOARD AN IDEA.

IT MAY BE ADDED AT THE NEXT BOARD MEETING TO SEE THAT. YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY GOING TO SINK GO FORWARD WITH IT RUBEN. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. 2 SURE THAT'S A DIRECTION.

BUT, MAYBE THERE'S MORE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. IS THERE SOMETHING MORE THAT THE BOARD DESIRES TO HELP MAKE

THE DECISION? >> I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN MAKE A DECISION IF WE DON'T HAVE THE LEAST APPROXIMATION OR SOMETHING. AGAIN WHEN LOOKING AT A FUTURE.

WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION. NOW, IF WE DON'T HAVE, I KNOW YOU CAN'T GET EXACT BUT, IS ANY WAY WE COULD GET SOME KIND OF AN ESTIMATE.

>> ESTIMATE ON WHAT WE. >> THE COST SAVINGS THAT WERE TALKING ABOUT.

WHETHER WE DO THAT ARE NOT JIM, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE YOU NEEDED?

TO MAKE A DECISION? >> ON IT MADE MY DECISION. I'M GONNA SUPPORT THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GUN RANGE. I DO RESERVE MY OPINIONS FOR THE COST.

AND WHAT SAVINGS WE CAN GET WHETHER WE GET ALUMINUM OR BILLINGS ON THE ROAD.

I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY ALTERNATE IF WE DENY THAT THE CONTRACTOR ROY WOULDN'T SUBTRACT $287,000 FROM THE BID PRICE. THAT TELLS ME WELL, THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. THEY SHOULD'VE BEEN IN THE BASE PRICE. I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT. ALTERNATES ARE IN ADDITION TO THE BASE CONSTRUCTION. I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BY THAT. IF WE REFUSE THE ALTERNATE NUMBER 3 THERE STILL GOING TO BE A COST. I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND.

>> I FALL INTO THE SAME CAMP AS COMMISSIONER WANEGARD. I SUPPORT THE BUILDING OF THE GUN RANGE. I THINK THE QUESTIONS ARE AROUND MATERIALS AND SPECIFICATIONS THAT SEEMED, THAT WERE IN THE BASE BID THAT SEEM KIND OF LIKE, IN A BIND,

CONSIDER THE CHEVROLET. AFFECTED BY THE CHEVROLET. >> YEAH, I'M KIND IN STEAMBOAT.

ALL SUPPORTED SONG AS THE PUBLIC IS TO USE IT. I THINK WE NEED TO SHARPEN PENCILS. MY ALARM BELLS GOING OFF IF WE'VE GOT THIS GOING ON HERE.

WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON. WHO WROTE THE FINAL BID PACKAGE ON THIS?

WAS IT WTI? >> PURCHASING. >> WOULD BE PURCHASING.

>> SOMEBODY SUSPECT RUTH. WHO DO THAT? >> ENGINEERING.

WTI. YOU GUYS PRINTED OUT. >> THE ARCHITECT.

>> WE USED ON THE OTHER BUILDING IN THE COUNTY. >> HE ALSO SAID THE QUALITY WAS BETTER. I ASKED ABOUT. THE QUALITY IS BETTER AND IT

LASTS LONGER. >> IS BETTER PRODUCT. YEAH, I GET IT.

YOU KNOW, JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT. >> WAS AN OPERATIVE INVOLVED IN THIS PROJECT. IF THEY WERE PROVIDED WITH HERE'S WHAT YOU'VE DONE ON THE PAST BUILDINGS. IT WAS A LIBERAL INSPECTED ROOF.

IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU BEEN DOING. SO THAT'S WHAT WAS SPECKED OUT.

AND SO, THAT'S WHAT HE HOUSE. >> WE HAVE SENT ENGINEERING SPECIFICATIONS FOR EVERYTHING WE DO YET? NO. OKAY.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, OKAY. I THINK WE LEAVE OUT THE OPTION FOR THE ROAD. IF WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR LISTING THE STUDENT WE PUT THE WAREHOUSE IN. CERTAINLY THE WAREHOUSE DEMANDS WE HAVE A GOOD ROAD.

THE GUN RANGE DOES NOT. >> YEAH, THIS LOCATION IS IN DISTRICT 4. THERE ARE A LOT OF

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THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT THE FIRE STATION IN THE FIRE STATION WAS BUILT 3 YEARS AGO WITH A BILLINGS ROAD INTENTIONALLY. 4 YEARS AGO.

>> ALSO, DO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I THINK THAT FROM THE QUESTIONS I ASKED BEFORE BUT I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ALUMINUM ROOF CABLE AND ROOF IS LIKE A DIFFERENCE OF 45 AND 50 YEARS. RIGHT? IT'S NOT LIKE A 10 YEAR IN A 30 YEAR FIXED ANOTHER ARCHITECT I COULDN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY WITH THE SAVINGS OR THE LENGTH OF THE DIRECT NATION FROM ONE ROOF TO ANOTHER.

THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE PROVIDED TO THE BOARD PRIOR TO YOUR NEXT BOARD

MEETING. >> REGARDING THE ROOF. I THINK WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO EARLIER IS THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE OCCUPYING. IT'S NOT LIKE THE OFFICE BUILDING. IT'S NOT LIKE, SOUND LIKE A BUILDING THAT'S OCCUPIED ON A DAILY BASIS. IF YOU DO END UP HAVING AN ISSUE, THAT OF A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT IS I THINK 15 YEARS OLD. I DON'T THINK THE ROOF HAS LEAKED EVERY YEAR. BUT RECENTLY. BUT, THEY FIX IT.

THERE WERE PARENT. IT'S NOT A HUGE COST. I SHAKE MY ROOF IS REPAIRED UNDER WARRANTY. I LIKE TO NOTE FOR THAT DISCUSSION ON THE 26TH IF YOU CAN GIVE US TO COMMISSIONER PERKS POINT GIVE US THE COST DIFFERENCE IN WHAT IS THE

DIFFERENCE IN LONGEVITY.HAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> WALTER?

>> SORRY. SOMETHING KAREN I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

SHE'S GOING TO GET AN UPDATE AND SCHEDULE OF VALUES FROM A CONTRACTOR.

AND THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO TELL A LOT CLOSER TO WHAT THE POTENTIAL COST SAVINGS ARE FROM

SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> ONE OTHER COMMENT ABOUT ROOFS. STAINLESS STEEL FASTENERS. ASK ORANGE PARK ABOUT STAINLESS STEEL CUSTOMERS. THE ROOF WAS FINE BUT IT WAS LIFTED BECAUSE THE FASTENERS RUSTED AWAY. I GUESS THEY WERE STILL. I DON'T KNOW.

BUT ANYWAY. >> ANYONE ELSE SOMETHING THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE NEXT TIME WE DISCUSSED THIS? I WOULD SUGGEST IF SOMETHING COMES UP AFTER WE ADJOURN THIS PARTICULAR WORKSHOP THAT YOU MAKE SURE YOU GET IT TO COUNTY MANAGER AS POSSIBLE SO HE CAN

OUT AND BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT INFORMATION TO KAREN. >> JUST BASED ON WHAT WALTER SAID. WE WILL GET WITH THE CONTRACTOR.

WE WILL GET A FULL BREAKDOWN OF THE SCHEDULE OF VALUES. THAT IS ALLOWED IN THE BIN.

WE PUT THAT IN EACH ONE OF OUR VISIT WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BREAK DOWN PRICING FURTHER.

WE WILL SHARE THAT WITH YOU BEFORE THE 28TH BOARD MEETING. JUST FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES.

THEY CAN'T CHANGE HER OVERALL BID PRICE BUT THEY CAN BREAK IT DOWN INTO COMPONENTS WHERE ONE WILL BE PAM SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY ASK FOR AND THAT WAY WE CAN IDENTIFY EXACTLY WHAT

THAT ROAD COST IS. WITH THE SAVINGS WOULD BE. >> I DON'T KNOW, I GUESS JANE IS NOT IN HERE. BUT I HAD MET WITH HIM AND ERIC WE HAD YOU ON THE PHONE.

IT WAS 11.17 COMPARISON. JUST A ONE PAGER OF THE 5 BIDS. THE BREAKDOWN OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. HAVING A COPY OF THAT AND THAT SIZE WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR MY EYES. BECAUSE THE COMPUTER SCREEN IS REALLY SMALL.

>> IS IN YOUR BOX. >> NOW, I KNOW. THE BIG ONE.

THEY HAD IT IN A FORM OF 11 BY 17 WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ THE NUMBERS.

THESE GUYS ARE AS YOUNG. >> WE NEED TO GET YOU SOME READERS.

>> I HAVE ONE CONTACT THAT'S BEST TO HELP. I LIKE SITTING OR THIS.

>> ,AND ANYTHING ELSE? >> MR. CHAIRMAN. JUST REVIEW TO MAKE SURE WE GET HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT ACCORDINGLY. SO UPDATED SCHEDULE OF VALUES PSHOULD ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE COST SAVINGS AND THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE.

I THINK I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT PAVING. NOT COST SAVINGS AND WITHOUT PAIN USING BILLINGS GRAVEL. THE OTHER FINAL ONE I HEARD WAS ALSO GROWTH.

TO COMPARE THE 2 TYPES OF GROUPS I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL.

I'M NOT A ROOFER. NOT AN EXPERT IN THAT. PERHAPS I WILL ASK STEVE TO GIVE US SOME SLIDES AND, FOR ME AND ANYTHING IN AVIATION IS ALL ABOUT THE FASTENERS.

IF THE FASTENERS ARE EXPOSED TO THE ELEMENTS, NOW YOU GOT A WEAKNESS.

MEET WITH HIM AND SEE IF HE COULD CLEAR THAT UP ON WHAT IT IS WITH THE REPAIR AND THAT

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PTHERE TOO. >> CAN WE DO THAT? AROUND? THIS LINK WILL LOOK AT THAT WITH THE ENGINEERING TEAM. I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME MATERIAL IN THE SAME TYPE OF WORK. IT MAY JUST BE A LONGER ROUTE

FOR SHARON. IN THIS CASE SHORT AROUND. >> YOUR TALK ABOUT PROBLEM.

XC MATERIAL. >> AGAIN, SAME MATERIAL. I THINK I'M UNDERGOING OVER THE OLD DOWN IN THIS CASE OR NOT. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT MAYBE THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION.

SO THOSE OF THE 4 ITEMS I HAD THAT WILL COME BACK ON THE

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