[CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:12] GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.E ARE MISSING -- MITCH TIMBERLAKE IS NOT PRESENT. AND WE DID KNOW THAT STEVE RIZZO WAS ALSO UNABLE TO ATTEND. AND JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE DO HAVE ON THE PHONE, DAN DOCKERY WHO WAS ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS. WE USUALLY DO NOT ALLOW ATTENDANCE BY PHONE BECAUSE THERE ARE ISSUES VIOLATING SUNSHINE. HOWEVER, SHE HAD AN EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE WITH A MEDICAL ISSUE AND SHE IS OUT OF TOWN. MY NAME IS COURTNEY (NAME). I'M THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. AND FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, WE DO HAVE THE COUNTY MANAGER, HOWARD (NAME). AND THEN WE HAVE TERESA CAPO, WHO WILL PRETTY MUCH BE YOUR LIAISON. SHE IS THE ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT FOR THE BCC. SHE IS THE PERSON WHO WILL EMAIL WITH YOU, COORDINATING YOUR MEETINGS AND WHATEVER ASSISTANCE YOU MAY NEED. FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE. THIS IS STACY. THEY WILL HAVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO WILL ATTEND YOUR MEETINGS AND THEY WILL TAKE THE MINUTES FOR YOU. AND WE WILL GET THEM BACK TO YOU FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. WE THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. WE WERE SELECTED BY THE FIVE BOARD MEMBERS. I KNOW YOU WERE NOMINATED BY DIFFERENT BOARD MEMBERS, BUT ALL FIVE DID VOTE TO APPROVE YOUR APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMISSION. EACH OF YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A COPY OF THE CHARTER. AND I THINK IT WAS EMAILED TO YOU AS WELL IN A PDF FORM? SO THIS IS THE CURRENT VERSION THAT CONTAINS THE RESULT :REVISION FROM THE LAST CHARTER COMMISSION AND ALL THE PREVIOUS. BUT THIS IS THE DOCUMENT YOU WILL BE WORKING FROM AND STUDYING AND TRYING TO DETERMINE IF YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO IT. DID EVERYBODY RECEIVE THE ROSTER OF YOUR FELLOW MEMBERS? AND HAS EVERYBODY SIGNED IN WITH TERESA? AND PROVIDED YOUR ADDRESS OR CONTACT INFORMATION? THE PRIMARY MEANS OF COMMUNICATION WILL BE BY EMAIL. YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A SHEET THAT IS A WAY FOR YOU TO SET UP YOUR COUNTY EMAIL. IF YOU NEED ANY HELP WITH THAT, TERESA WILL BE YOUR GO TO PERSON FOR THAT. WHAT GOVERNS YOU -- THAT'S PART OF THE CHARTER -- IS SECTION 4.2 POINT BE ONE. THAT'S WHAT SETS UP HOW YOU ARE FORMED AND HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD. YOU WILL NOTE THAT IT PROVIDES FOR 15 OF YOU +5 ALTERNATES. SO THAT'S THE PROVISION THAT THE BOARD FOLLOWED IN ORDER TO SET THE COMMITTEE. YOU HAVE FROM NOW UNTIL THE NOVEMBER 2022 GENERAL ELECTION. SO THAT'S REALLY YOUR TERM.E WILL GET INTO LATER HOW THAT TERM SOMEWHAT SHORTENS. BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANY AMENDMENTS THAT YOU WANT AND WE HAVE TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN ORDER TO GET IT ON THE BALLOT FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. YOU WERE ALL APPOINTED AT THE SEPTEMBER 14 MEETING. AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISION OF THE CHARTER, WE ARE HAVING YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING WITHIN 30 DAYS AS REQUIRED BY CHARTER. ONCE WE GO THROUGH INTRODUCTIONS AND GO THROUGH SOME PRELIMINARY PROCEDURAL MATTERS, YOU WILL ELECT A CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. AFTER YOU HAVE DONE THAT, YOU GUYS NEED TO COME UP WITH A PLAN OF HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SET YOUR MEETINGS AND HOW YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. TERESA AND I HAVE GONE THROUGH AND WE HAVE PROPOSED DAYS THAT MIGHT WORK FOR YOU. THAT ARE SORT OF BEST OF WHEN [WELCOME] THE BOARD ROOM IS NOT IN USE. THEN YOU CAN USE THE FACILITY. HOW ABOUT LET'S START AT THIS POINT -- YOU GUYS ARE ALL THE TRUE MEMBERS. AND THEN, HERE ARE THE ALTERNATES. SO THESE ARE THE FIVE ALTERNATES IN THE FRONT ROW. WHY DON'T WE GET STARTED? LET'S DO A LITTLE INTRO. YOUR NAME. IF YOU KNOW WHICH DISTRICT YOU ARE IN, YOU CAN SAY WHAT DISTRICT. TELL US ABOUT YOURSELVES AND DO AN INTRO WITH EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM. WHY DON'T YOU START, MR. BOWLES? (LAUGHING)? >> (LAUGHING) I'M ALWAYS GETTING CHOSEN FOR US! THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JOHN BOWLES. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY FOR ABOUT 47 YEARS. TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, MY GOOD FRIEND JB RENNINGER [00:05:13] APPOINTED ME TO THIS DUBIOUS POSITION. I LOOK FORWARD TO IT AND I FEEL LIKE I'M COMING FULL CIRCLE. I SERVED ON THE GOVERNMENTAL SURVEY COMMISSION BACK IN 1989. S A RESULT OF THAT WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF CREATING A COUNTY CHARTER. AND I SERVED ON THAT FIRST CHARTER COMMISSION. SO I DO FEEL LIKE I COME FULL CIRCLE. I LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING THOSE OF YOU WHO I DON'T KNOW. THINK WE WILL MAKE A LOT OF PROGRESS HERE TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I'M JIM CONNELL. I'VE LIVED IN CLAY COUNTY SINCE 1994. I'M RETIRED FROM THE ARMY AND FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND COMPLETELY RETIRED NOW. MR. BOLA LIVES DOWN AT THE END OF MY STREET ANY COMPANY WALKING HE DOG ONE EVENING, SO THAT'S WHY I'M HERE! >> BRIAN KRAUT. I'VE LIVED IN GREAT OUNTY ABOUT NINE YEARS. I OWN A SMALL ENGINEERING AND MANUFACTURING COMPANY AND ICE CREAM COMPANY. I'M ALSO ON THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. I'M GOING TO DO WHAT I CAN TO HELP THIS COUNTY. HELP IT GROW AND MANAGE IT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. BECAUSE I REALLY LOVE THIS PLACE! >> I'M JAMES (NAME). I WAS ON THE CLAY COUNTY COMMISSION FROM 1982 UNTIL 1994. SO I WAS A COMMISSIONER WHEN WE ACTUALLY FORMED THE CHARTER COMMISSION. AND I WORKED WITH MR. BOWLES AT THAT TIME. >> SO THE REST OF YOU, YOU ALL HAVE MICROPHONES IN FRONT OF YOU. IF YOU JUST HIT THE BUTTON, AND IT WILL TURN ON A GREEN LIGHT. THERE YOU GO. >> MY NAME IS CHRIS RUSSELL. I LIVE IN LAKE ASBERRY. I WAS BORN AND RAISED ON THE WEST SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE. I LEFT TOWN IN 1977. I DID 30 YEARS ACTIVE DUTY IN THE AIR FORCE. I RETIRED AND MOVED BACK HOME. AND I'M GETTING INVOLVED IN LOCAL POLITICS, I SUPPOSE. >> I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN CLAY COUNTY SINCE 2004 -- OTHER THAN FIVE YEARS THAT WE MOVED OUT OF STATE. AND THEN WE MOVE BACK. AND I HAVE KNOWN WAYNE BOLLA FOR MANY YEARS. AND HE ASKED ME TO BE ON THE COMMISSION.>> HI, I'M SUSIE LUDWICK. I'M REPRESENTING DISTRICT 4, BETSY CONDON'S DISTRICT.Y PARENTS HAVE OWNED A LATE PLACE IN KEYSTONE SINCE I WAS 10 MONTHS OLD. SO I SPENT MOST OF MY YEARS EITHER LIVING HERE OR COMING DOWN TO THE LAKE. AND I GRADUATED FROM KEYSTONE AND I RISED BOTH OF MY KIDS. MY HUSBAND AND I. AND I WORKED THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AS A FINANCIAL ANALYST. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO HELPING OUR COUNTY GROW. AND LOOK AT THE PLANS GOING FORWARD. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE. >> ROBERT (INDISCERNIBLE), DISTRICT 4. ROBERT DUES, DISTRICT 4. I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE 1980. I RECENTLY RETIRED. FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. I'M BACK WORKING THERE AGAIN PART-TIME. I SIT ON VARIOUS BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AROUND THE COUNTY. MY PHONE RANG A FEW MONTHS AGO AND IT WAS WAYNE BOLLA. AND HERE I SIT, SO --. [LAUGHTER] >> BO NORTON. I'VE LIVED IN THIS COUNTY BACK IN 75 AND MOVED AWAY IN 78 WITH THE NAVY. 40 YEARS LATER, I MOVED BACK. 2015. I GOT INVOLVED, INITIALLY, WITH ROTARY. AND THEN, TRYING TO HELP THE COMMUNITY THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. ULTIMATELY, I GOT APPOINTED TO THE CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE TPO. SO I CHAIR THAT ONE REPRESENTING CLAY. I'M ALSO ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A COMMISSIONER HELPING CLAY. SO THERE OT OF WAYS I LIKE TO GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. THIS IS ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT. AND HERE I AM. SO WHATEVER I CAN DO TO HELP, THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR. >> MY NAME IS SCOTTY TAYLOR. I'M FROM MIDDLEBURG. WE GO BACK FIVE OR SIX GENERATIONS AND CLAY COUNTY. I SERVED ON THE INITIAL CHARTER -- INAUGURAL CHARTER COMMISSION WITH MR. BOWLES. AND I WAS ON THE LAST CHARTER [00:10:01] COMMISSION. AND SO, I HAD SO MUCH FUN THEN -- [LAUGHTER] I TOLD COMMISSIONER CONDON WHEN SHE ASKED ME TO SERVE THAT I WOULD SERVE FOR DISTRICT 4. I LIVE IN MIDDLEBURG. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYBODY HERE. IN THIS CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. >> MY NAME IS RANDY GILLIS, AND FROM DISTRICT 5. I'M ICE L MIGHT BE THE MOST YOUTHFUL, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF LIVING IN CLAY COUNTY. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU THAT I WOULD ZEALOUSLY PROTECT CLAY COUNTY FROM WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN TO IT. THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. AND A GREAT PLACE FOR YOUR FAMILY TO BE. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE. >> I'M DEBBIE TERRY AND WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 1983. IT ONLY TOOK ABOUT FIVE SETS OF ORDERS FROM THE NAVY TO GET HERE. THEY KEPT ASKING AND THEY FINALLY SAID YES. I'VE TWO CHILDREN WHO WERE RAISED IN THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL SYSTEM. I WAS A REALTOR FOR 30+ YEARS. I'M RETIRED NOW AND MARRIED TO THE SAME MAN FOR 46 YEARS. WE HAVE DEEP ROOTS HERE. EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T START HERE. I WON'T GO ANYWHERE ELSE. AND I'M IN DISTRICT 3. >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS DAVID THEUS. I WAS BORN IN ORLANDO, I'D LIKE TO SAY BEFORE DISNEY. I MOVED TO JACKSONVILLE IN 1990 AS A FURNITURE REP THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND MOVED TO CLAY COUNTY ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO. I MADE THE LOOP THROUGH BAKER COUNTY ON THE WAY HERE. SO THIS WAS AN IMPROVEMENT FROM BAKER COUNTY. IT REMINDS ME A LOT OF ORLANDO AND CENTRAL FLORIDA. I'M 58. IT'S THE FIRST PLACE I'VE BEEN AWAY FROM HOME THAT I CAN CALL HOME. I LOVE CLAY COUNTY. I'VE A SMALL CONSULTING FIRM CALLED PROMOTE CLAY, CLAY EATS, EMPLOYEE CLAY AND CLAY EDU. I LOVE CLAY COUNTY AND WANT TO HELP IT BE THE BEST IT CAN BE. ANDGROW, BUT WITH THE WATCHFUL EYE THAT WE DON'T DESTROY THE PLACE. WAS ONE OF YOUR FORMER CANDIDATES LAST YEAR FOR YOUR CONGRESSMAN , THE CRAZY RACE THAT WE WERE A PART OF. I THANK MIKE CELLA FOR APPOINTING ME TO DO THIS STEP WHAT IS THAT, DISTRICT 1? YEAH, DISTRICT 1. AND I'M EAGER TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON ON THIS SIDE OF THE TABLE AND BE A CONTRIBUTOR. THANK YOU.> HI, MY NAME IS CONNIE CHERNIN. I CAME OVER TO CLAY COUNTY BY THE BLESSING OF MY HUSBAND GETTING TRANSFERRED FROM THE P3 OPERATION IN CORPUS CHRISTI. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN POLITICS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, I WAS ONE PARTY AND NOW I'M ANOTHER. BUT THE POINT IS, I'M A VERY WELL-ROUNDED PERSON. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ABLE TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. CLAY COUNTY HAS THE ROOTS OF WHAT I WAS RAISED IN. WE CALLED IT A THREE CHURCH TOWN. A THREE BAR TOWN. A COUNTRY TOWN WITH HARD-WORKING PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED IN FAITH AND HARD VALUES AND HARD WORK. I BELIEVE CLAY COUNTY HAS A VERY, VERY GOOD FUTURE. AND I THINK THAT THE MILESTONES THAT WE NEED TO REACH WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH THIS COMMITTEE. >> DALE CARTER, FOURTH GENERATION CLAY COUNTY RESIDENT. JUST INTERESTED IN TRYING TO MAKE CLAY COUNTY BETTER. >> GOOD EVENING. YOU WILL MAKE NEAR. SO I'VE BEEN IN AND OUT OF CLAY COUNTY SINCE ABOUT 1989. MY FIRST TOUR -- AFTER GETTING A REALLY GOOD EDUCATION, I LEFT THE MILITARY AND STUCK AROUND. AND I GOT AN EDUCATION -- MY MBA. I HAVE ALWAYS CALLED CLAY COUNTY MY HOME. I'VE TRAVELED ALL OVER. AND WE HAVE ALWAYS MAINTAINED A HOME HERE. CURRENTLY, I LIVE OFF OF DOCKERS LAKE AND I'M OUT OF DISTRICT 3. WITH MY WIFE AND MY TWO YOUNG BOYS WHO ARE IN CLAY COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL. I'M CERTAINLY SENSITIVE TO THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN CLAY COUNTY. I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTRIBUTING AS MUCH AS I CAN TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT LEVEL OF QUALITY THAT I'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO I'M HERE TO HELP AND NOT HURT! [00:15:01] SO I LOOK FORWARD TO IT. THANKS. >> MY NAME IS CHARLES HODGES. I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN JACKSONVILLE. I MOVED TO CLAY COUNTY 22 YEARS AGO. I RAISE THREE KIDS HERE. I'M RAISING TWO GRANDCHILDREN NOW. A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN THE COMMUNITY AND FROM DISTRICT 4. I LIVE IN KEYSTONE. I'M GLAD TO HELP HOWEVER I CAN WITH WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO PROMOTE CLAY COUNTY. >> CHRISTINE BACKSLIDER. MY HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR FOREVER HOME HERE ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO. I FEEL LIKE I'M ONE OF THE YOUNGEST ONE HERE (LAUGHING). I'M HERE FOR MRS. BURKE, SO I WILL SUPPORT HER! >> BEFORE WE MOVE INTO YOUR DUTIES, COMMISSIONER CELLA, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? OR HOWARD, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? >> I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF YOUR BUSY SCHEDULES. I KNOW HOW MUCH TIME IT TAKES TO GET HERE. TO BE HERE IN THE PUBLIC IN THE SPOTLIGHT AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU WILL HAVE PUT ON YOUR SHOULDERS TO REVIEW AND TAKE A LOOK AT. YOU ARE PART OF THE GOVERNMENT NOW. SO I WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK. THANK YOU! [LAUGHTER] >> OKAY. [DISCUSSION ITEMS] AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE HAVE THIS PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH, WHERE YOU ARE WORKING TOWARDS THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION. YOUR DUTIES ARE TO REVIEW THE CHARTER. AND IT'S JUST WHAT'S IN HERE. THIS IS ALL YOU ARE DEALING WITH. IS REVIEWING THIS CHARTER AND DECIDING IF THERE ARE ANY PROVISIONS WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU THINK SHOULD BE REVISED OR AMENDED. IN THE VERY BACK OF THE DOCUMENT, YOU WILL SEE THERE IS A NEAT LITTLE TABLE WHERE YOU CAN GET A FEEL FOR HOW REVISIONS, OVER TIME, HAVE TRANSPIRED. SO EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY SUGGEST THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A REVISION OR AMENDMENT, IT STILL HAS TO GO ON THE BALLOT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE VOTERS WILL ACTUALLY, THEN, DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE CHARTER ACTUALLY IS AMENDED. PTHE WAY THAT IT WORKS IS AFTER THIS MEETING AND AFTER YOU GET GOING, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS YOU WILL COME TOGETHER. YOU WILL DISCUSS -- EACH OF YOU I'M SURE YOU WILL COME UP WITH A PLAN OF HOW YOU ARE GOING TO REVIEW IT AND DECIDE. IN EACH OF YOU WILL COME UP WITH A LIST OF HEY, THESE ARE THOUGHTS THAT I HAVE. WILL DISCUSS THOSE AND COME TOGETHER TO TRY TO DECIDE WHETHER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. AND YOU WILL VOTE AS FAR AS MOVING FORWARD. ONCE YOU DETERMINE THAT THERE IS A PROVISION AND THERE IS A MAJORITY OF YOU THAT VOTE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT REVISION, WE THEN HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THAT PROPOSED REVISION, WHICH GOES ON THE BALLOT. AND THOSE HAVE TO BE DONE IN A CERTAIN TIME FRAME WITHIN EACH NOTICE. SO WHEN I WAS TALKING BEFORE ABOUT YOUR TIMETABLE -- SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS DONE BY AUGUST 8, WHICH IS 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE GENERAL ELECTION. YOU ALSO HAVE TO BRING THOSE THROUGH THE BOARD BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY GET PUT ON THE BALLOT. IN ORDER TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, YOUR LAST MEETING TO GET APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD AFTER AUGUST 8 IS JULY 26. SO YOUR TIMEFRAME WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH AND GET YOUR WORK DONE IS BEFORE JULY 26. AN IMPORTANT PART -- IF HOWARD MENTIONED -- OF BEING A PART OF THE GOVERNMENT IS THE SUNSHINE LAW APPLIES TO EACH OF YOU. IT'S IMPORTANT IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE EMAILS THAT THOSE ARE THE EMAILS THAT ARE USED FOR ONLY THESE BUSINESS PURPOSES.ECAUSE WHATEVER YOU PUT IN THOSE EMAILS WILL BE PUBLIC RECORD. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT THAT IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE EMAILS, YOU DON'T DISCUSS BUSINESS. SO DON'T REPLY ALL AND SAY OH, THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA TO DO X, Y AND Z. IT'S JUST FOR YOU TO TRANSACT PROCEDURES. SO ALL THE DISCUSSION THAT YOU CAN HAVE WITH EACH OTHER IS HERE. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE SERVED IN PUBLIC POSITIONS BEFORE, SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT CAN'T BE THAT SCOTTY [00:20:04] RUNS INTO DALE OUT ON THE STREET AND JUST STARTS DISCUSSING YOUR BUSINESS. BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW. SO ONLY TIME YOU CAN SPEAK IS HERE. IF YOU EVER RUN INTO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, FEEL FREE TO CALL. IF YOU ARE JUST UNSURE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN RESPOND? JUST FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME. WE'LL ALSO TALK IN A SECOND ABOUT YOU HIRING YOUR OWN ATTORNEY AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. THAT WILL BE A GREAT RESOURCE FOR YOU. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE PREFER YOU TO HAVE YOUR MEETINGS HERE. JUST BECAUSE IT'S SET UP FOR THE PUBLIC TO ATTEND. AND IT SET UP FOR IT TO BE RECORDED. WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE YOUR MEETINGS. SO YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE US ENOUGH TIME -- ONCE YOU DETERMINE WHEN YOUR MEETINGS ARE, YOU HAVE TO GIVE US ENOUGH TIME AND TERESA WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT FOR YOU. ALONG WITH THE EMAILS, YOU SHOULD NOT BE TEXTING EACH OTHER, CALLING EACH OTHER, ANY OF THAT TYPE OF TRANSACTION AS WELL WOULD BE IN VIOLATION OF THE SUNSHINE LAW. IF YOU WANT TO CALL AND SAY HEY, I WANT TO GO TO DINNER, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IT CAN'T BE ABOUT CRC BUSINESS. AND WE ALSO WARN YOU ABOUT THE PERCEPTION. SO IF YOU ARE SEEN OUT SOMEWHERE, JUST THE PERCEPTION OF ARE THEY DISCUSSING PUBLIC PBUSINESS AT A DINNER, WHICH IS NOT A MEETING -- WE SORT OF WARNED YOU ABOUT THAT. IF YOU DECIDE TO SET UP SUBCOMMITTEES -- AND I THINK WE MIGHT'VE HAD SUBCOMMITTEES LAST TIME.EAH. IF YOU SET UP SUBCOMMITTEES, THEY ARE ALSO GOVERNED BY THE SAME RULES. SO WE JUST HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT AS WELL. PUBLIC COMMENT. SO NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE AGENDA. SO MOVING FORWARD, WHEN YOU SET YOUR AGENDA, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO INCLUDE PUBLIC COMMENT. IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS PROVIDED BY BY FLORIDA STATUTE. OUR BOARDS DO IT IN THE BEGINNING AND AT THE END. BUT IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU IF YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE IT ONCE ON YOUR AGENDA. WE DO ALSO HAVE PROCEDURES FOR OUR BOARDROOM CONDUCT. WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADOPT AND FOLLOW THAT PROCEDURE AS WELL. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO YOU. T JUST SETS FORTH THE CORM SO WHEN YOU DO HAVE PUBLIC MEMBERS ATTENDING THAT YOU HAVE RULES IN PLACE FOR THEM TO FOLLOW. ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CHARTER? OR JUST UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOUR DUTIES ARE? I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S NEW BECAUSE A LOT OF YOU PROBABLY HAVEN'T EVEN READ THE CHARTER. YES? >> MY QUESTION IS IS WHEN YOU SAY WE ADOPT THOSE -- SO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS YOUR BYLAWS AND YOUR PROCEDURES, AND WE WILL RATIFY OR ADOPT THEM AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS? >> YES. THAT WOULD BE THE BEST. JUST WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR FIRST MEETING.HEN YOU WOULD JUST VOTE TO FOLLOW THE SAME DECORUM. >> ALL RIGHT. AND WE SHOULD TAKE MINUTES? >> YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE MINUTES BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHO TAKES THEM FOR YOU. THOSE BECOME OFFICIAL RECORD ONCE THEY ARE TRANSCRIBED. THEY WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR REVIEW. AND YOU APPROVE THEM AT YOUR NEXT MEETING. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT IS WHEN YOU COME UP WITH YOUR IDEAS IN CONNECTION WITH ANY REVISION OR AMENDMENT IS THAT EACH REVISION OR AMENDMENT CAN ONLY ADDRESS ONE SUBJECT. SO YOU MAY LOOK AT A PROVISION AND HAVE LOTS OF IDEAS? THAT'S FINE. WE JUST SEPARATE THEM OUT. SO IT CAN BE ONLY ONE SUBJECT PER REVISION. OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR STAFF SUPPORT. SO WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT YOU IF YOU NEED ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE CAN GATHER FOR YOU. YOU ARE ALSO PROVIDED BY THE CHARTER THE OPPORTUNITY TO HIRE YOUR OWN LEGAL COUNSEL. IN THE YEARS PAST THEY ALWAYS HIRE THAT PERSON.E HAVE A BUDGET FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO HIRE THT PERSON. IF YOU HAVE REVISIONS, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT COUNSEL BECAUSE THEY DRAFT IT FOR YOU. YOU GIVE THEM THE THOUGHT, THEY HELP YOU PUT IT IN WORDS. THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE FOR THE BALLOT. SO THEY HELP TO STRUCTURE THAT. AND THEY HELP YOU DO YOUR REPORT AT THE END. WHAT YOU DISCUSSED AND PUT IT ALL TOGETHER IN YOUR REPORT. RETAINING THAT PERSON -- AND I KNOW MR. TAYLOR IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS. WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR WAS WE TOOK RECOMMENDATIONS FROM YOU. YOU CAN SHOOT ME AN EMAIL. SOME OF YOU MAY USE ATTORNEYS IN YOUR BUSINESS THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE A POTENTIAL CANDIDATE. AND WE BROUGHT THEM ALL IN [00:25:02] FRONT OF YOU. IF THEY ARE INTERESTED, WE BROUGHT THEM IN FRONT OF YOU. AND YOU GUYS SELECT THE PERSON THAT YOU LIKE. TERESA AND I DID LIKE THE GENTLEMAN THAT SERVED LAST GO ROUND. HE WAS NOT FROM THIS AREA. HE WAS FROM WINTER PARK, ORLANDO. WE REACHED OUT TO HIM TO SEE IF HE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN SERVING. HOWEVER, HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE TRAVEL THIS YEAR. I DON'T THINK HE'S A VIABLE OPTION BECAUSE HE REALLY WANTED TO ATTEND BY ZOOM, AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD ENCOURAGE. SO AFTER WE ELECT YOUR CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RETAINING THAT COUNSEL. SO I CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT INTO THE WORKS FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING. >> THE ATTORNEY WE HAD LAST TIME WAS WELL-VERSED IN GOVERNMENTAL LAW. >> HE DID A LOT CHARTERS, YES. >> I ASSUME WE WOULD TRY TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT TYPE OF --. >> RIGHT. PUTTING TOGETHER ORDINANCES AND DOING ANY TYPE OF GOVERNMENTAL WORK. RIGHT. AND I THINK WE HAD -- WASN'T PMAYBE THREE OR FOUR THAT CAME TO THE MEETING AND PRESENTED? WE HAD THE ONE WHO SERVED THE CHARTER COMMISSION TWO TIMES AGO. AND HE SOUGHT US OUT. I THINK THAT WAS A NICHE IN HIS BUSINESS THAT HE HAD SOUGHT US OUT. AND THEN, WE HAD A COUPLE OF LOCAL ATTORNEYS ALSO. >> SO WE WILL PUT OUT -- OR YOU WILL PUT OUT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ATTORNEY?>> I CAN DO THAT. WE CAN JUST REALLY DEVELOP THAT PROCEDURE. AND YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE. LAST TIME, WE HAD PEOPLE THAT JUST KNEW THIS PROCESS AND CONTACTED US. AND THEN, WE HAD MEMBERS WHO WOULD SEND TO ME, I KNOW X AND WOULD YOU PLEASE CONTACT HIM AND SEE IF HE'D BE INTERESTED. AND THAT'S WHAT I DID. AND THEN, IF THEY WERE, THEY CAME TO THE MEETING. >> EXCUSE ME? I'M SORRY. AND WE CAN ALSO PROBABLY PUT IT OUT TO THE BAR ASSOCIATION? >> SURE. >> AND WE WOULD GET THAT AUTHORIZATION FROM YOU OR GET A LETTER FROM YOU THEN? >> NO, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO IT, TERESA AND I WILL WORK ON THAT FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> BY NEXT MEETING, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME IDEA OF SOME PEOPLE THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO HAVE SERVE AS THE ATTORNEY? >> RIGHT. JUST EMAIL ME. AND DEPENDING ON WHEN YOU SET YOUR NEXT MEETING, IT MIGHT BE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO PULL IT TOGETHER. OR IT MIGHT BE PLENTY OF TIME AND I CAN HAVE THEM COME AND PRESENT TO YOU.ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS? ABOUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD? SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO AT THIS POINT IS PROCEED FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THE CHAIR. AND HOW WE HAVE DONE IT IN THE PAST IS WE HAVE THE NOMINATIONS FOR THE CHAIR. AND THEN WE DO A ROLL CALL VOTE JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY OF YOU. TERESA WILL DO THE ROLL CALL AND WE WILL PROCEED TO VOTE ON A CHAIR. ONCE THE CHAIR IS ELECTED, THEN I TURN IT OVER TO THE CHAIR. (LAUGHING) AND THEN, THE CHAIR WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH NOMINATIONS FOR THE VICE CHAIR. AND WE WILL DO THE BOAT THAT WAY. AND THEN, YOU GUYS ARE OFF AND RUNNING. YOU GUYS, I'M NOT SURE HOW FAMILIAR YOU ARE WITH EACH OTHER. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO POINT TO PEOPLE IF YOU AREN'T SURE OF THEIR NAMES (LAUGHING). OR IF YOU CAN AT LEAST READ THE NAMES. BUT WE WOULD ENTERTAIN NOMINATIONS FOR THE CHAIR OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.>> THERE'S A LOT OF EXPERIENCE AT THE TABLE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY RELY ON SOME OF THAT. I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK SO LOUD! SO JIM, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. HISTORY WE. >> TURN ON YOU MIKE! >> THE HISTORY IS WITH DALE. AND JAMES, RIGHT?OU'VE BOTH SERVED ON THESE COMMITTEES? OKAY.IN TERMS OF BEING ON CURRENT COMMITTEES AND SERVING AS SOME OF US ARE ON EXISTING COMMITTEES AND SHARING THEM. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHO THE COMMITTEE HERE FEELS MOST [00:30:03] COMFORTABLE WITH AND WHO WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE. >> WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE DISCUSSIONS STOP IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THE MEMBERS, WE CAN PROCEED THROUGH THAT BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY NOMINATE SOMEONE. >> MAYBE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO FIND OUT WHO'S INTERESTED IN SERVING IN THOSE CAPACITIES FIRST? I KNOW THERE IS NOTHING WORSE THAN GETTING NOMINATED FOR SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN. [LAUGHTER] >> ALL RIGHT. SO DO WE HAVE ANYBODY WHO'S INTERESTED IN SERVING AS CHAIR? >> I WOULD SERVE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? (INDISCERNIBLE) [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A NOMINATION FOR MR. NORTON. >> I SECOND. >> OKAY! PERFECT. SINCE WE ONLY HAVE ONE NOMINATION, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO GO THROUGH THE ROLL CALL VOTE. IF EVERYONE WILL RAISE THEIR HAND IF THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF BO NORTON SERVING AS CHAIR OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. EVERYONE WAS IN FAVOR. OKAY. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, MR. NORTON, AND YOU WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SELECTION OF A VICE CHAIR. >> I THINK THE WAY TO START THIS IS WHO WANTS TO SERVE? WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO SERVE IF ASKED? THAT MIGHT MAKE THE NOMINATION A LOT EASIER. KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE HERE. AND AS CHAIR, I'M GOING TO LEAN ON THAT VICE CHAIR AS WELL. >> I WOULD BE INTERESTED. >> MR. MCNAIR, WOULD YOU BE INTERESTED? >> I WOULD BE INTERESTED. >> YOUR HESITATING -- >> YOU ARE FROM THE NORTH END OF THE COUNTY?> I'M FROM DISTRICT 3. >> ME TOO. KEYSTONE IS THE FORGOTTEN STEPCHILD OF THE COUNTY.ND I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY FROM THE OTHER END OF THE COUNTY -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY IS FROM AND I DON'T WANT TO HURT ANYBODY'S FEELINGS. BUT THERE IS A HUGE PERSPECTIVE DIFFERENCE FROM ORANGE PARK TO KEYSTONE. SO THAT'S JUST MY INPUT AND I'LL BE QUIET NOW. >> THAT'S GREAT INPUT. >> I'M FROM KEYSTONE, BUT THIS IS BRAND-NEW TO ME. [LAUGHTER] >> SO WE HAVE A NOMINATION AND A SECOND. SO IT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. >> I AM WILLING TO DO IT. BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT IT OUT THERE THAT I AM LEARNING! AND THIS IS BRAND-NEW FOR ME. BUT I DO AGREE THAT KEYSTONE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE DIFFERENT CHALLENGES THERE THAT AREN'T REPRESENTED A LOT OF TIMES. SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO BRING THOSE SPECIAL PERSPECTIVES. IF OTHER PEOPLE FEEL THAT WAY. >> VERY GOOD.ND I WOULD ADD THAT THIS IS ALWAYS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ALL OF US. AND CERTAINLY OVER THE YEARS IT'S BEEN A LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR ME. AND I THINK EVERYBODY WHO HAD PATIENTS WITH PUTTING UP WITH MY LEARNING EXPERIENCE AS I WENT ALONG AND CONTINUE TO DO SO. SO DON'T FEEL BAD. SO WE HAVE A NOMINATION.DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? NO? IN HEARING THAT, WITH ONE NOMINATION AND SECONDED, WE WILL CAL FOR A VOTE.LL THOSE IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES. WELCOME ABOARD, MS. VICE CHAIR! OKAY, MISS COURTNEY? >> SO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR PROCEDURE. SO WHAT YOU WANT TO TASK YOUR MEMBERS WITH. AND WE ALSO NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SETTING YOUR NEXT MEETING. I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MEETINGS. SO YOU CAN PICK WHATEVER TIME YOU WOULD LIKE. WE WILL FACILITATE THAT.S FAR AS DAYS, JUST WORKING AROUND WHEN THE BCC USES THIS. USUALLY, MONDAYS AND THURSDAYS ARE THE BEST DAYS. THERE ARE CERTAIN TUESDAYS THAT ALSO WORK. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO YOUR MEETINGS IN THE EVENINGS AND YOU WANT TO DO THEM DURING THE DAY? WE JUST HAVE TO FACILITATE AND MAKE SURE THERE ISN'T SOMETHING ALREADY ON THE CALENDAR.O I THINK YOU NEED TO WORK ON -- AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME DAY THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE IT. [00:35:02] USUALLY, WE FIND IT JUST WORKS EASIER. BECAUSE EVERYBODY CAN GET IT ON THEIR CALENDAR. YOU PROBABLY WILL NEED TO AT LEAST MOVE FORWARD WITH YOUR FIRST MEETING BEFORE YOU REALIZE HOW OFTEN YOU NEED TO MEET. SO I KNOW LAST TIME, THERE WERE A LOT OF IDEAS AND DISCUSSIONS. AND WE HAD TO MEET VERY FREQUENTLY. BUT IT WOULD JUST DEPEND ON HOW MANY IDEAS ARE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE AND HOW MANY YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH ON DISCUSSION. SO I GUESS ONE IS FIGURING OUT WHAT DAY WORKS BEST FOR ALL OF YOU. AND A TIME, IF IT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY TO DO IT IN THE EVENING? OR SOME OF YOU IF IT WORKS BEST IN THE DAY? AND THAT'S ONE THING. ONE THING YOU WANT TO TASK MEMBERS WITH MOVING FORWARD BEFORE YOUR NEXT MEETING. AND I CAN TELL YOU, AND SCOTTY CAN PROBABLY ELABORATE ON THIS. LAST TIME WHAT WE DID WAS EVERYBODY WAS TO READ THE CHARTER. AND THEN COME BACK IF THEY HAD IDEAS. I THINK IT WAS LIKE THREE IDEAS OF ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS AS PART OF THE CHARTER. AND ALSO ADD TO YOUR LIST THE ATTORNEY. SELECTING LEGAL COUNSEL (LAUGHING). >> BOY, AM I GLAD YOU ARE ON BOARD TO HELP US!> (LAUGHING). YES, SIR,? >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU AT LEAST STAY INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.ECAUSE IF SOMEBODY IS UNABLE TO CONTINUE SERVING AND YOU DO HAVE TO FILL THAT ROLE, THEN AT LEAST YOU ARE UP TO SPEED. SO YES, YOU CAN COME TO ALTA MEETINGS. YOU CAN PARTICIPATE AS FAR AS DISCUSSION. YOU CANNOT VOTE UNTIL YOU ARE MOVED INTO THE POSITION. OH, I FORGOT TO REVIEW THIS. OF HOW YOU ACTUALLY MOVE INT THE SPOT. I WILL LOOK AT THIS WHILE YOU ARE DOING THE DISCUSSION. AND I CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU HOW YOU CAN MOVE INTO THE SPOT AND HOW THAT WORKS.> THANK YOU, COURTNEY.O LET'S START WITH DAYS -- MONDAYS OR THURSDAYS ARE THE BEST FOR THE GROUP? SO WILL GO AROUND AND SEE WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS. >> I'M FINE WITH EITHER MONDAYS OR THURSDAYS. >> MS. VICE CHAIR? >> AS LONG AS I KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK IS OKAY. >> NO PREFERENCE. >> THURSDAYS ARE GOOD. >> NO PREFERENCE. >> CAN YOU THE FREQUENCY? ARE WE MEETING EVERY WEEK? ONCE A MONTH? I KNOW IT WILL BE SET AND DETERMINE AS WE MOVE ALONG --. >> RIGHT. SO YOU WILL DECIDE TONIGHT HOW QUICKLY YOU WANT TO RECONVENE. AND THEN IT WILL DEPEND ON, FROM THERE, HOW OFTEN YOU MEET AND WHETHER YOU HAVE SUBCOMMITTEES OR NOT. >> WHAT WAS THE FREQUENCY OF THE LAST COMMITTEE? >> TERESA, DO YOU REMEMBER?T WAS PRETTY FREQUENT. >> EVERY THREE OR FOUR WEEKS (INDISCERNIBLE). THEY FOUND OUT WHAT THEIR TARGET WAS. ABOUT EVERY TWO WEEKS. THEY WERE VERY CONSISTENT. YOU HAVE TO BE AT THAT POINT TO MEET CERTAIN DEADLINES. >> I CAN MAKE ANY OF THE DAYS. MONDAY WOULD BE BETTER BUT I COULD MAKE THURSDAY HAPPEN. I JUST PREFER EVENING VERSUS DAY. >> AND I WILL GO JUST THE OPPOSITE. I WOULD PREFER THURSDAYS. >> DALE? >> I'LL GO ALONG WITH THURSDAYS. MONDAY IS A BAD DAY. >> YOU WILL? >> THURSDAYS.> OKAY. FOR OUR ALTERNATES? DEBORAH? >> I THINK EITHER ONE WORKS. >> OKAY. SO THE MAJORITY SEEMS TO BE FOR THURSDAY. HOW ABOUT ON OUR ALTERNATES? >> THURSDAY WOULD BE BETTER FOR ME. >> THURSDAY. >> ANY TIME. >> THURSDAYS ARE BETTER FOR ME (INDISCERNIBLE). >> I THINK THE MAJORITY IS LOOKING AT THURSDAY. SO THAT'S THE FIRST ONE, COURTNEY. THE SECOND ONE WOULD BE TIME. THIS MEETING IS AT 6:00. IS THIS A CONVENIENT TIME OR SHOULD BE A LITTLE LATER? WHAT DO YOU PREFER? WILL GO AROUND THE ROOM. JAMES? >> ANYTIME. >> SIX IS FINE WITH ME. >> SIX WORKS FOR ME. >> SIX IS GOOD. >> NO MATTER. IT DOESN'T MATTER. >> SIX. >> I PREFER JUST TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE I'M COMING IN [00:40:01] FROM A LAW FIRM IN JACKSONVILLE. SO IF WE COULD GO CLOSER TO 6:30 THAT'S FINE. BUT I'M OKAY WITH SIX. >> SIX OR 630. WHATEVER SHE NEEDS. >> SIX. >> SIX. >> ALL RIGHT. AND INDIFFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT WE ARE NOW THURSDAY INSTEAD OF MONDAY, OKAY. WILL 6:30 WORK FOR EVERYBODY? >> IT WOULD MAKE MY TRAFFIC BETTER COMING IN FROM KINGSLEY. >> 630. THAT WORKS. ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE ARE USING SEVEN. BUT I KNOW THAT CAN BE A LITTLE LATE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT CONSIDERATION. >> DOES 6:30 DO WELL FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS TO? >> YET. >> ALL RIGHT. SO'S THURSDAYS AT 630. >> OKAY. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW QUICKLY WANT TO RECONVENE. OR HOW MUCH TIME YOU NEED TO PREPARE FOR YOUR NEXT MEETING. SO DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IT THREE WEEKS OR FOUR WEEKS OUT? >> IF WE LOOK AT THE CALENDAR RIGHT NOW AND WHAT'S COMING UP. LET'S PULL THE CALENDAR OUT. SO LOOKING THROUGH OCTOBER, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT -- LET'S SEE, TODAY IS THE SEVENTH? SO EVEN IF WE SAID THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, THE 28TH, DOES THAT INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING?I REALIZE THE FLORIDA-GEORGIA GAME IS GETTING CLOSE. THAT SHOULD AN IMPACT IT. HOW DOES THE 28TH LOOK? THAT GIVES US THREE WEEKS. MY THOUGHT PROCESS BEING BESIDES READING THROUGH THIS AND LOOKING TO SEE WHATISSUES, YOU KNOW, MIGHT COME OUT TO YOU THAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS , IT WOULD ALSO GIVE YOU TIME TO TALK AMONGST YOUR FRIENDS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO GET A FEEL IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS A HOT, BURNING ISSUE WITH THEM THAT WE SHOULD BRING UP. ND I AM, AGAIN, TURNING TO YOU, SCOTTY. PBECAUSE YOU AND JAMES HAVE DON THIS BEFORE. >> I BELIEVE LAST TIME WE PICKED THREE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT WE THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO LOOK OUT. MAYBE FIVE ISSUES OF PEACE. AND THEN WE NARROWED IT DOWN. BUT BETWEEN ALL OF US, WHAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT THAT WE NEEDED TO LOOK AT. AND THAT'S HOW WE NARROWED IT DOWN. >> OKAY. I COULD ALMOST FORESEE IF WE ALL CAME IN WITH UPWARDS OF FIVE ISSUES, AND WE ENDED UP BUILDING A SPREADSHEET. SORRY, THAT'S PART OF MY BACKGROUND. BUT WE QUICKLY CAN FIND HOW THEY RANK IN ORDER AND WHAT THE CONSENSUS WAS. AS I PRETTY MUCH WHAT YOU DID? >> RIGHT. >> OKAY. SO FOR ORGANIZATIONAL PURPOSES, DOES THAT SOUND LIKE IT WOULD WORK FOR EVERYBODY? SO WHEN WE COME BACK THREE WEEKS FROM NOW, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR UPWARDS OF FIVE ISSUES THAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS OR AT LEAST DISCUSS. AND WE WILL PUT THEM ALL DOWN AND WE CAN STARTTHAT NIGHT. WE CAN QUICKLY PUT THEM UP ON THE SCREEN AND RANK ORDER THEM . >> THERE MIGHT BE SOME DUPLICATES TOO. >> OH, THERE WILL BE DUPLICATES, WITHOUT A DOUBT. THAT WOULD BE PRETTY INTERESTING TO SEE WHERE THOSE ARE. AND THAT RIGHT THERE IS GOING TO TELL US WHICH ONES -- HOW TO RANK ORDER THEM. >> ARE YOU HONING IN ON 28 FOR SURE VERSUS. >> OH, THE DATE? YES. I'M JUST GIVING US TIME TO START THIS PROCESS. >> CAN YOU THE (INDISCERNIBLE) FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS -- AT WHAT POINT DOES SUNSHINE STOP SHINING, OR SOLICITATION OKAY? >> YES. YOU CAN TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS. SO LET'S TAKE A BRIEF PAUSE. SO MITCH TIMBERLAKE IS ONE OF YOUR MEMBERS. YOU JUST ARRIVED. SO MR. TIMBERLAKE, BEFORE YOU ARRIVED WE DID A LITTLE INTRODUCTION OF ALL THE DIFFERENTMEMBERS. WE TOLD A LITTLE ABOUT OURSELVES. DO YOU WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHO YOU ARE? >> AND MITCH TIMBERLAKE! >> (LAUGHING). >> (INDISCERNIBLE) . [LAUGHTER] >> SO RIGHT BEFORE YOU ATTENDED, THE COMMITTEE HAS SELECTED A CHAIRMAN, BO NORTON. ANNA VICE CHAIR, SUSIE LUDWIG. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF COORDINATING THE NEXT MEETING. WHICH I BELIEVE OCTOBER 28 AT 6:30. OKAY. MR. NORTON, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT TERESA REMINDED ME OF IS SHE BELIEVES THAT LAST TIME, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS EMAILED [00:45:17] HER. NOT EVERYBODY, BUT EMAILED HER THEIR LIST OF ITEMS.ND WE COMPILED IT. AND WE WERE ABLE TO PRESENT IT SO THAT YOU ALL HAD IT AT THE MEETING AS PART OF THE AGENDA. >> I THINK THAT'S A MARVELOUS IDEA!HANK YOU, TERESA, FOR REMINDING US! THAT WOULD BE REALLY GREAT. AND THEN YOU CAN RANK ORDER THEM AND WE CAN SEE HOW THEY FALL OUT. >> SO TERESA WILL SEND YOU ALL AN EMAIL JUST CONFIRMING THE DATE OF THE NEXT MEETING. AND IF YOU JUST REPLY JUST BACK TO TERESA AT SOME POINT BEFORE OCTOBER 28 WITH THE IDEAS YOU MAY HAVE. AND WE WILL WORK TOGETHER TO PUT TOGETHER A DOCUMENT FOR YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, ACCORDING TO THE SUNSHINE LAW, DON'T YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AGENDA AND DISCUSSION ITEMS PUBLICLY ADVERTISED? >> YES. AND TERESA TAKES CARE OF THAT. >> SO YOU WILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT BEFORE THAT ONE DAY? >> RIGHT. ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ALL KNOW -- DID YOU SEND THEM THE AGENDA? OKAY. SO YOU HAVE THIS AGENDA. IT'S POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE. WE WILL DO THE SAME THING FOR EVERY ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS AND TERESA WILL BE INSTRUMENTAL IN DOING THAT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED TO HAVE A DATE TO GIVE THEM ENOUGH TIME TO ADVERTISE IT. PRIOR TO THE 28TH. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. TERESA, WHAT YOU NEED? >> AS FAR AS ADVERTISING, I DON'T NEED THE PROVIDING'S. (INDISCERNIBLE) THE WEEK PRIOR TO THE MEETING I NEED YOUR ITEMS SO THEY'LL BE ON THE AGENDA. I'LL GET THE NOTICE OUT AHEAD OF TIME. I'LL PUT IT IN THE EMAIL BUT THE DATE IS. >> ALL RIGHT. SO YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE OUR CONCERNED AREAS TO YOU A WEEK PRIOR TO THE MEETING? OKAY. SORRY. I GET MY HEARING TESTED IN SIGN LANGUAGE SO I HAVE TO FOCUS WHAT'S GOING ON AND TRYING TO HEAR YOU. SORRY! >> JUST TO CLARIFY, THE INDIVIDUAL CONCERNS ARE NOT TO BE LISTED ON THE AGENDA. THAT WILL BE A SINGLE AGENDA ITEM, CORRECT? >> YEAH -- WE CAN INCLUDED AS BACKUP FOR THAT MEETING. TERESA AND I WILL FIGURE OUT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE WANT TO PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR YOU. IT CAN BE DISCUSSION ITEMS. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. AND AS A BACKUP, WE CAN INCLUDE A LIST OF ITEMS. AND THEN, IT'S OUT THERE AND YOU WILL HAVE IT. WE WILL SEND YOU A LINK.O YOU WILL HAVE THE LINK TO IT AND BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT IN ADVANCE. >> MY QUESTION IS, IT PIGGYBACKS ON THAT. AREN'T WE ALSO OBLIGATED, THEN, TO GIVE THE PUBLIC NOTICE OF WHAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING? >> THAT'S BY THE AGENDA. RIGHT. >> EVEN THE ARTICLES OF WHAT THE -- THE INFORMATION THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING AND REVISING --? >> WE JUST HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE ON WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DISCUSS. AND THEN, IF WE CHOOSE TO INCLUDE IT -- YOU MIGHT NOT GET IT TO US IN TIME. BUT THEN, WE WOULD PUT IT AS THE BACKUP. REGARDLESS, IT WILL BE PART OF THE MINUTES. >> AND ALSO, I HAD A TIME, THE MINUTES OF THE PRECEDING MINUTES WILL BE INCLUDED? OKAY.>> OH 10 /21 WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR IDEAS TO TERESA? >> YES. >> SO IN TERMS OF OUR IDEAS, CAN YOU GIVE US SOME KIND OF PARAMETER? SO WE DON'T GO DOWN A PATH THAT'S -- THAT'S NOT EVEN ELIGIBLE FOR THESE POTENTIAL IDEAS OR TOPICS? CAN YOU HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE IN SETTING THAT UP? >> SO ANY OF THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN HERE, IF YOU WANT TO TWEAK THEM? I CAN TELL YOU, MIKE HELP ME LAST YEAR. THERE WERE PROVISIONS THAT WERE CENTERED AROUND TERM LIMITS FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, FOR THE BCC MEMBERS. TERM LIMITS FOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL'S. THERE WAS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE SALARY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS. THE BCC -- SO THERE ARE THREE WAYS YOU CAN AMEND THE CHARTER. ONE IS BY CITIZEN PETITIN OR INITIATIVE. THE OTHER WAY IS BY YOU. AND THE THIRD WAY IS BY THE BCC.SO LAST YEAR, OR LAST GO ROUND, THE BCC DID ONE TO CHANGE HOW OFTEN THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. I THINK THEY CHANGED IT TO SIX OR EIGHT YEARS. [00:50:03] I CAN'T REMEMBER. THEY ALSO HAD A PROVISION RELATING TO TERM LIMITS. AND I THOUGHT THERE WAS 1/3 ONE. BUT THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF ITEMS THAT ARE USUALLY INCLUDED IN THE PAST. >> SO I LIKE TO BUILD ON WHAT MR. MCNAIR, THE QUESTION HE ASKED. THE INITIAL WORDING OF THE CHARTER SPEAKS TO SELF-DETERMINATION. IS THAT FOR THE VOTERS OF CLAY COUNTY BENEFIT? SELF-DETERMINATION? IS THAT FOR SOME HOMOGENIZED VIEW OF THE BOARD AND THE VOTERS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONAL ENTITIES THAT ARE SPECIFIED IN THE CHARTER? HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> SO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PREAMBLE? >> YES. >> IN ORDER TO ATTAIN GREATER LOCAL SELF-DETERMINATION? SO IF YOU ARE NOT A CHARTER COUNTY, THEN YOU FOLLOW JUST THE STAUTES. WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE YOUR CHARTER, YOU HAVE SEPARATE RIGHTS THAT ARE SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE FLORIDA STATUTES. OKAY. PLEASE FORGIVE ME. SECTION 1.5, WHERE WE BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT GAMBLING AND THE FACT THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR NO ONE TO HAVE ANY SAY IN THE MATTER PRIOR TO BRINGING IT TO THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS FOR CLAY COUNTY FOR CONSENSUS. I HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF THINGS I WANT TO THROW IN THAT POT. SO WHY DID WE STOP THERE? WHY HASN'T THERE BEEN ADDITIONAL ITEMS PLACED IN A BUCKET THAT FORCE GREATER SELF-DETERMINATION? WE THINK ABOUT THAT IN TERMS OF THE VOTERS OF CLAY COUNTY. AND WE SAY BEFORE ANYONE DECIDES ANYTHING, LET'S PUT IT TO A VOTE. SORRY. I'M WAXING. >> SO WHEN YOU GET INTO THOSE KINDS OF SPECIFICS? THAT WILL BE FOR YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL TO HELP YOU DECIDE. >> OKAY. SO DO YOU WANT ME TO KEEP GOING? AM I BORING ANYBODY? >> (LAUGHING). >> I NEED TO LEARN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THIS. I PROBABLY IN DANGER OF HELPING OTHERS TO LEARN WHILE I'M LEARNING TOO, RIGHT? SO IT APPEARS THAT WE ALSO HAVE SOME SUGGESTED INFLUENCE OVER ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE (LAUGHING) OF THE COUNTY? SO WE HAVE SOME NUMBER OF ELECTED CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES? IS IT PERTINENT THAT WE MIGHT CREATE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE? OR SUGGEST TO CREATE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE? OR IS THAT OFF-LIMITS? AGAIN, A LOT OF THAT IS GOVERNED BY STATUTE. IN THE PROCESS FROM CHANGING THAT FROM 5 TO 7 OR HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? BUT WHEN YOU GET INTO THOSE SPECIFICS, YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL WILL BE ABLE TO HELP WALK YOU THROUGH IT. >> GOT YOU.O CHANGING IT FROM ELECTED TO THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ITSELF AND HOW FROM THE COUNTY MANAGER ON DOWN, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN SUGGEST IN TERMS OF THAT ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE? >> THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. AND THEY'RE ALL LAID OUT BY STATUTE AS TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS. YOU CAN CHOOSE. >> FORGIVE ME. THIS WILL BE MY LAST QUESTION, I PROMISE! AT LEAST FOR THE MOMENT! IT COULD TAKE ME QUITE A WHILE TO LEARN ABOUT STATUTE. IS THERE A PUBLISHED RECOMMENDATION FOR READING IN THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION? >> I THINK THAT'S WHERE YOU GO BACK TO HIRING YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL. AND THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DIRECT YOU TO THE DIFFERENT PROVISIONS. SAY YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE OTHER FORMS OF CHARTER GOVERNMENT. THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO SET IT UP. THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DIRECT YOU TO THOSE AND WALK YOU THROUGH THAT. AND WHERE YOU CAN OR CAN'T CHANGE.> I LOVE THE GREENFIELD EXERCISE AS MUCH AS THE NEXT PERSON.E SHOULD LEAVE A LEGACY FOR THE NEXT CHARTER COMMITTEE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE NEW PEOPLE START FROM THE GROUND I'M WALKING ON RIGHT NOW. WHICH IS I DON'T KNOW A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THIS PROCESS (LAUGHING). >> (INDISCERNIBLE). MAKING SURE THERE'S A PASS DOWN. I THINK THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. AND COURTNEY, IT BEGS THE NEXT QUESTION. GETTING THE LEGAL COUNSEL ESTABLISH QUICKLY. SO WE CAN MOVE AHEAD WITH THE PROCESS? >> I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THE (INDISCERNIBLE) OF THE LAST CHARTER VIEW COMMISSIONS ARE OFF-LINE. OTHER THINGS DONE IN THE PAST AND OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS O GETTING SHOT DOWN. (INDISCERNIBLE). >> COURTNEY, JUST A THOUGHT. JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR EVERYBODY, CAN YOU BUILD A FOLDER FOR US TO ACCESS? WHERE WE CAN START PUTTING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN THERE? RATHER THAN EVERYBODY HUNTING [00:55:03] AND PECKING AND LOOKING FOR THINGS. THERE IS A CENTRAL FOLDER AND WE CAN PULL THE FILES FROM IT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I AM A CERTIFIED PARALEGAL. I'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCH FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. SO ANY ASSISTANCE TO YOU NEED, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO HELP YOU PRIOR TO COUNSEL. >> THANK YOU! YOU BET! >> MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE ONE THING THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO US -- AND WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE MR. BOWLES AND MR. (INDISCERNIBLE) BUT THE HISTORY OF THE CHARTER WHERE WE WERE BEFORE. BEFORE WE WERE A CHARTER COUNTY. WHAT WE DID THE LAST CRC MEETINGS, WE HAD SOME OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS COME AND EXPLAIN TO US WHAT EXACTLY THEIR JOBS ARE. AND HOW THEY FIT IN TO THE CHARTER OF THE COUNTY. MAYBE TE CHAIR AN OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WOULD COME AND GIVE US SOME IDEAS OF SOME THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO CHANGE IN THE CHARTER? OR MAYBE NOT CHANGE AT ALL? I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO GIVE US A HISTORY OF THE CHARTER WILL STOP THE DIFFERENCES IN HAVING A CHARTERED COUNTY AND NOT HAVING A CHARTERED COUNTY. HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT ARE CHARTERED COUNTIES AND THOSE THAT ARE NOT. AND A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT THAT. TO BRING US ALL UP TO SPEED ABOUT WHAT WE ARE CHARGED TO DO. >> GREAT IDEA. >> AND TERESA AND I WILL WORK ON THAT. >> GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR? >> YES, SIR,? >> AT THE RISK OF KICKING A DEAD HORSE, DON'T TELL MR. MCNAIR AND GILLIS HIS THOUGHTS. HEN I DID A BRIEF CURSORY READ, THE CHAIR STARTS OFF WITH WHAT WE WON'T HAVE. THE GAMBLING PART. AND THEN IT JUMPS OVER TO THE MANAGEMENT -ORGANIZATIONAL PART OF THE COUNTY. IT'S CLEAR AND OBVIOUS WHAT WE DON'T WANT AS FAR AS GAMBLING AND A LITANY OF THINGS WE COULD PROBABLY ADD TO THAT. BUT IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANNOUNCE OR DECLARE WHAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE? IN THE SAME FLAVOR OF THE NO GAMBLING UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES. COULD THERE BE A PRONOUNCEMENT OF WHAT WE STAND FOR AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO EMBRACE? IS THAT THE KIND OF THING THAT IS DONE AT THIS LEVEL? OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT --? >> AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO OPINE ON THAT BECAUSE I'M NOT YOUR LEGAL COUNSEL. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU CAN DISCUSS. AND ONE THING I THINK TO REMEMBER, AND MR. BOWLES CAN MAYBE ADDRESS THIS IS THIS IS REALLY YOUR FRAMEWORK. IT'S A BIG PICTURE. >> I UNDERSTAND. >> IT'S A VERY BIG PICTURE. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. GOOD THOUGHTS, DAVE. SO RIGHT NOW, WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH SETTING UP FOR LEGAL. THAT'S THE NEXT BIG TASK ITEM, RIGHT? >> IF YOU CAN PROVIDE NAMES. IF YOU KNOW OF PEOPLE RIGHT NOW THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE NAMES? SO WE WOULD STRIVE TO TRY TO GET THEM HERE FOR THE OCTOBER 28. BUT IT MIGHT BE THAT WE HAVE TO SET IT A LITTLE FURTHER OUT. BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU AS TO HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED WITH EQUITY. >> JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AS PART OF THE 28TH OF OCTOBER MEETING, AT LEAST A SHORT LIST OF CANDIDATES HERE TO TALK TO US. IF WE DRAG THAT OUT -- THE LONGER WE DRAG THAT OUT, THEN THE LONGER WE ARE STANDING HERE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN'T ANSWER. AND SLOWING DOWN THE BOARD. ESPECIALLY WHEN WE BACK IT UP. I KNOW JULY 27 LOOKS FAR AWAY BUT IT WILL MOVE PRETTY QUICK. AND WE DON'T WANT TO WASTE PEOPLE'S TIMES. >> DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS ON HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT? TERESA CAN SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO ALL OF YOU AND YOU CAN RESPOND BACK WITH IDEAS JUST TO TERESA. IF YOU HAVE IDEAS OF COUNSEL THAT YOU BELIEVE WOULD BE INTERESTED OR QUALIFIED TO DO THAT. I DON'T MIND REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SERVED IN THE PAST. >> YOU JUST HIT WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. WHY DON'T WE, MAY BECOME A LOOK AT THE LIST THAT WE HAVE USED IN THE PAST? AND KIND OF BUILD FROM THERE? >> AND MR. PRESIDENT, AGAIN, I WILL SAY I AM IN THE LEGAL COMMUNITY. AND I HAVE SOME DEFINITE NAMES THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED. EXCEPT THAT I WOULD PREFER TO CHECK WITH THEM FIRST BEFORE I PUT THEIR NAME ON RECORD. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. [01:00:01] >> JUST CHECK WITH THEM AND EMAIL TERESA OR I. AND WE WILL TAKE IT FROM THERE. >> THE CLAY COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION WOULD BE A GREAT RESOURCE. MAYBE IF WE COULD GET JESSICA (NAME) -- SHE CAN SEND OUT AN EMAIL AND SEE IF SOME OF THE -- SHE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE ASSOCIATION. >> I'M SURE. IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE THAT, WE COULD JUST MAKE A REQUEST THAT YOU SEND IT OUT TO THE CLAY COUNTY MEMBERSHIP ASKING ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN SERVING TO PLEASE CONTACT TERESA. >> IS THERE ANY OBJECTION? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, COURTNEY -- CAN YOUR OFFICE -- DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO BE THE LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THIS COMMITTEE? OR IS THERE A CONFLICT? >> WE DO. BUT I HAVE LEARNED FROM THE PAST THAT IT WOULD JUST BE BETTER FOR US TO HAVE THAT DIVIDING LINE. JUST BECAUSE I REPRESENT THE BCC. AND THEY MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE IN LINE WITH YOUR PROPOSALS. >> OKAY. THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE WHY WOULD WE WANT TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF HIRING LEGAL COUNSEL BEFORE WE'VE IDENTIFIED ANY ISSUES? THE ISSUES WE IDENTIFY A NOT NEED COUNSEL? WE ARE GOING TO START PAYING SOMEBODY TO ATTEND MEETINGS BEFORE WE'VE IDENTIFIED WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. AND IF THEY ARE HOT BUTTON ISSUES, CERTAINLY, WE NEED LEGAL COUNSEL. BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING MUNDANE -- IT MAY NOT NEED IT. OR THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANY ISSUES THAT WE MIGHT LOOK AT. >> SO I CAN TELL YOU ONE LAST GO ROUND WITH MR. TAYLOR WAS MY FIRST TIME. AND IT WAS A LOT OF HOT BUTTON ISSUES. THE TIME BEFORE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU SERVE THE TIME BEFORE? THAT WOULD'VE BEEN EIGHT YEARS AGO (LAUGHING). THEY HAD NO -- THEY DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY MATTERS. >> ARE WE GETTING BILLED BY THE HOUR OR RETAINER? >> IT'S BILLED BY THE HOUR. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THERE WAS MY OBJECTION. WE CAN AT LEAST PUT SOMEBODY IN POSITION. AND IF THEY HAVE NO TIME TO INVOICE, PAY THEM NOTHING. THAT'S MY EXPERIENCE. BUT AT LEAST YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE SIDE WILLING TO SERVE. >> AGREED. >> THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT IS ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE THEM ATTEND THE MEETINGS? IF THEY ATTEND THE MEETINGS, THEY ARE GOING TO BILL. AND WHY DO WE WASTE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY UNTIL WE IDENTIFY WE NEED TO WASTE THE TAXPAYERS MONEY? WE HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL RIGHT HERE. >> GO AHEAD. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, IN THE INTEREST OF CLARIFICATION FOR ME -- >> IS YOUR MY GUN? >> IT IS. IN CLARIFICATION FOR ME, IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A LAWYER SECURED BY THE OCTOBER 28 MEETING, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> INTERVIEWING. >> SO WHAT'S THE PROCESS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN TO GET THOSE NAMES? AND ARE YOU THEN GOING TO HAVE US SEND IN OUR PREFERENCE AND WHOEVER GETS THE MOST VOTES IS WHO WE ARE GOING TO HIRE? >> SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST IS YOU CAN PROVIDE NAMES TO ME. I CAN REACH OUT TO OTHER PEOPLE. WE WILL HAVE THEM COME TO THE OCTOBER 28 MEETING. THEY CAN SHARE WITH YOU THEIR QUALIFICATIONS AND WHY THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE QUALIFIED. THEIR RATES. WHATEVER YOU MAY ASK. THEY MAY ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ON WHO YOU WOULD LIKE TO SELECT. OR YOU CAN DEFER IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AT THAT OCTOBER 28 MEETING. >> AGAIN, FORCLARIFICATION. IF WE FOLLOW THAT PROCESS, WE WOULD NOT EVEN TENDER AND OPERA UNTIL OCTOBER 28 MEETING? >> OR AFTER. CORRECT. >> OR AFTER. >> WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS DECIDING WHICH ONE WE WANT . SO THAT THEY ARE READY TO GO PWHEN WE NEED THEM.>> OKAY. AND IF I MAY, ONE MORE? CAN I CALL YOU COURTNEY? >> YES. >> COURTNEY, WOULD YOU BE IN THE POSITION TO PROVIDE US SOME LEGAL ADVICE ON ISSUES THAT MIGHT ARISE BETWEEN NOW AND THE 28TH MEETING? >> YEAH. EVEN DURING THE PROCESS, YOU CAN CALL ME AND I CAN HELP YOU. IF IT'S SOMETHING I FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO RELY ON YOUR OWN COUNSEL, I WILL TELL YOU THAT. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET THE LIST OF NAMES. BUT I TEND TO AGREE THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO WAIT OR WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL WE SEE ISSUES THAT WILL REQUIRE LEGAL COUNSEL BEFORE WE START HIRING PEOPLE. I WOULD GUESS WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY A RETAINER BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE TO CARVE TIME FOR THAT. ANY LAWYER THAT I'VE DEALT WITH ONCE MONEY IF THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. THEY ARE GOOD AT THAT! AND I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU OR [01:05:01] COURTNEY. THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE. GET THE LIST OF NAMES AND SOME KIND OF BIO OR RESUME. THIS IS WHY WE FIELD THESE PEOPLE ARE WELL-SUITED TO SUPPORT US AS A CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE. AND THEN, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING, AND DETERMINE HOW WE WOULD GO FORWARD. AND WE CAN RELY ON COURTNEY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON ISSUES THAT WOULD COME UP AND PROVIDE LEGAL GUIDANCE FOR US AS A COMMITTEE. >> MR. CHAIR, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT LAST TIME -- BUT THE ATTORNEY DOES -- WHAT WE DECIDED AS A BODY UP HERE TO PRESENT TO THE VOTERS TO VOTE ON. OUR RECOMMENDATION -- THE LAWYER DID THE LEGAL TERMINOLOGY ON THAT. I THINK THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS HELPED US WITH SOME OF THAT LAST TIME, TOO. UNLESS IT'S A REALLY SPECIFIC LEGAL THING, WE MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN ATTORNEY, MAYBE. IF WE -- I'M JUST SAYING. >> MR. CHAIRMAN? I AGREE WITH MR. (NAME). I'M PRETTY FRUGAL. BUT I AGREE WITH MR. TIMBERLAKE. MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS IN PLACE SO IF WE GET IN THE WEEDS WITH SOMETHING WE ARE NOT STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO TO SELECT SOMEBODY. BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW ATTORNEYS WORK. AND WHO IS GOING TO WANT MONEY FOR DOING NOTHING OR SHOWING UP. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A LIST, AT LEAST, AN IDEA-- I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO NECESSARILY HIRE . I'VE WATCHED SOME OF THE CHARTER REVIEW IN YEARS PAST PESHAWAR REMAIN NAMELESS AND I GOT REAL CONTENTIOUS. SO WE NEED TO STAY ON THE LEGAL SIDE TO NOT CREATE ANY CONTENTION. SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY IN OUR POCKET -- THAT'S PROBABLY A BAD TERM! WE NEED SOMEBODY IN THE WINGS THAT WE CAN USE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ANY MONEY. I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING MIDDLE GROUND.> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. AND I THINK IF WE GET TO A POINT AND WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY IN PLACE AND ITGETS CONTENTIOUS, WHICH IS A VERY GOOD CHOICE OF WORDS , THEN WE WILL BE SCRAMBLING TO FIND AN ATTORNEY TO HIRE MIDSTREAM. AND I THINK THAT WILL WASTE OUR TIME. I THINK THERE ARE PLENTY OF ATTORNEYS AROUND THAT WOULD BE WILLING. I KEEP SAYING THE CLAY COUNTY BAR ASSOCIATION FOR THE REASON THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO SERVE THEIR COUNTY. SO MAYBE TO AT LEAST TALK TO PEOPLE. AND SEE IF THEY ARE FLEXIBLE ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BILL AND WHAT THEY WILL DO FOR ADVICE. AND LIKE YOU SAY, WE HAVE COURTNEY IN PLACE FOR SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT DEALING WITH THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE THERE JUST WILLING TO SAY, I HAVE A QUESTION AND I NEED SOME GUIDANCE. PAND I THINK THAT THEREARE MANY ATTORNEYS THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO DO THAT FOR CLAY COUNTY. >> SO IS IT A CONSENSUS THAT WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH GIVING NAMES TO COURTNEY AND TERESA? AND THEN, YOU CAN BUILD A SHORT LIST. AND THEN, WE CAN, AS PART OF THE NEXT MEETING, THEN HAVE PTHEM COME -- WHOEVER IS INTERESTED. THEY CAN GIVE THEIR BACKGROUND. AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AFTER THAT AS TO WHO WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE WHEN WE NEED THEM. OR HER. >> ONE CAVEAT TO THAT, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY RECOMMENDATIONS I GOT? YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER WILL COMPILE ALL THE INFORMATION, BRING ALL THE CANDIDATES TO YOU -- NOT IN PERSON BUT ALL THE MATERIALS TO YOU, AND YOU CAN MAKE A SHORT LIST. >> I LIKE THAT IDEA BETTER. AND THAT ALLOWS US TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEIR BIOS. AND WE AS A GROUP CAN DECIDE WHO THAT SHORT LIST SHOULD BE. >> YEAH. AND THEN WE HAVE SOMEONE ON DECK WHENEVER WE NEED THEM. THERE ARE GO TO. I LIKE THAT. >> YEP. OKAY. GREAT. WELL -- COURTNEY, YOU HAVE BEEN A GOOD TASKMASTER SO FAR! >> SO THE ALTERNATE SAKE -- I LOOKED IT UP IN THE CHARTER. SO WHEN YOU WILL STEP INTO YOUR ROLE IS IF THERE BECOMES A VACANCY ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. THEN, THE ALTERNATE THAT RESIDES IN THE SAME DISTRICT IN WHICH THE FORMER MEMBER RESIDED WILL A SEED TO THAT SEAT. FOR INSTANCE, IF FOR SOME REASON MR. JET ISN'T ABLE TO SERVE, -- [01:10:13] >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> (LAUGHING) THEN BRIAN, YOU WILL IMMEDIATELY STEP IN. SO FOR THE ALTERNATES, MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF THE DISTRICT YOU ARE IN AND FOLLOW YOUR THREE COMMISSIONERS (LAUGHING). >> THE ALTERNATES IN THE PAST WERE ABLE TO SPEAK TO DIFFERENT MOTIONS OR THE AGENDA -- >> YES. >> THEY JUST DIDN'T VOTE? >> FOR THE PURPOSES OF A QUORUM, IS THERE A MINIMUM OF BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE NEED TO --? >> WE WOULD ALWAYS WANT A MAJORITY PLUS ONE FOR YOU TO BE HERE. >> BUT FOR ATTENDANCE PURPOSES AND NOT VOTING, NECESSARILY. TO HAVE A MEETING, DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A FULL -- >> NO, YOU DON'T ALL HAVE TO BE HERE. WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO BE HERE. >> RIGHT. BUT WHAT'S THE MINIMUM QUORUM? >> IT'S JUST 50 PERCENT PLUS ONE. >> OKAY. >> 8 AND A HALF (LAUGHING). >> IT DOESN'T SAY IN THE CHARTER, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE YOUR NORMAL PROTOCOL. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> YES SIR. >> ARE WE GOING TO LOOK FOR ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE DONE THE CHARTERS BEFORE? SO IT'S NOTHING NEW FOR THEM COMING IN? INSTEAD OF, LIKE, A FRESH ATTORNEY THAT HAS NEVER DONE A CHARTER REVIEW BEFORE? IS THAT SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT? OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO LOOK FOR ATTORNEYS THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THIS? >> YES? >> MY THOUGHTS WOULD BE YOU ALSO HAVE A LOT OF ATTORNEYS THAT ARE CONSTITUTIONAL LYSED. THEY ARE USED TO READING THE LAWS AND THE STATUTES. I THINK A FAMILY LAW LAWYER WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS TYPE OF SITUATION. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF ATTORNEYS THAT DO HAVE THIS TYPE OF BACKGROUND. >> SO IF YOU WORK WITH TERESA AND YOU PUT THAT LIST OUT AND YOU NOTIFY EVERYBODY, WE WILL GET RESPONSES. WITH GUIDANCE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO -- DALE, TO THE POINT THAT YOU BROUGHT UP -- WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO THEN, AT THE NEXT MEETING, AS WE CALL THROUGH THESE DECIDE WHICH ONE WOULD BE VIABLE AND WHICH ONES WOULDN'T. AND FROM THERE, WE BUILD THAT SHORTLIST AND PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP. >> CAN WE PUT IT ON THE LIST -- QUESTIONS LIKE IF THEY'VE WORKED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW SO WE KNOW IT WHEN THEY BRING THEIR RESUME? >> SURE. >> SO JUST FOR MY FAMILIARITY WITH WHO SERVED IN THE CHARTER, I DON'T THINK THERE HAVE BEEN ANY ATTORNEYS THAT HAVE SERVED FOR THIS CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION THAT HAVE EVEN BEEN FROM WITHIN CLAY COUNTY. >> YES, MA'AM,. >> THE ATTORNEY THAT SERVED LAST TIME HAD BEEN ON SOME CHARTER COMMITTEES DOWN IN ORLANDO AND IN THAT AREA. >> HE HAD A NICHE FOR THAT. >> YEAH. HE HAD EXPERIENCE FOR THAT TYPE OF --. >> MM-HMM. >> IS THAT THE ONE YOU SAID HE WAS NOT WILLING TO MAKE THE TRAVEL? >> HE'S JUST BECOME SO BUSY. ANY SERVING AS OUTSIDE COUNSEL FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES. SO HE SAID HE WOULD BE ONLY INTERESTED IF YOU COULD ATTEND BY SIMPSON.> SO HIS BACKGROUND WOULD BE, IDEALLY, A MODEL BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE JUST SAID. IN DALE, THE POINT YOU BROUGHT UP. THAT WOULD BE THE IDEAL OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. AND WE WILL SEE THAT WHEN WE GOT THE BIOS. >> AND YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THERE ARE 67 COUNTIES. BUT YET, I THINK IT'S ONLY ABOUT 20 -- YOU REMEMBER? THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 20 THAT HAVE CHARTERS. SO THERE AREN'T A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT WILL HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE. >> I THINK SOMEONE CLEARLY ON GOVERNMENT LAW VERSUS PERSONAL INJURY. [CHATTER] [LAUGHTER] >> WE WILL LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE! >> OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, COURTNEY -- AND LOOKING THROUGH THE AGENDA. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO AGENDA TONIGHT? >> I THINK WE ARE GOOD. TERESA? >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION. [01:15:07] IS THERE A WAY TO SEE THE BIO OF THE GENTLEMAN -- I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT WAS A GENTLEMAN WHO REPRESENTED BEFORE? JUST SO WE CAN LOOK ON THE WEBSITE OR SEE WHAT THE BACKGROUND IS? THEY USUALLY PUT -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL PUT EXPERIENCE. JUST TO PUT AN IDEA OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. I THINK THAT WOULD LAY IT OUT A LITTLE BIT. >> SO THE GENTLEMAN THAT SERVE THE LAST TIME? HIS NAME IS WADE BOASTS. I BELIEVE HIS FIRM IS WADE VOSE, PA OR WADE BOASTS LAW. IT'S IN THE ORLANDO AREA. AND PREVIOUS TO THAT, THE ATTORNEY THAT SERVED WAS WAYNE FLOWERS. AND HE IS AN ATTORNEY FROM JACKSONVILLE. HE MIGHT HAVE SERVED FOR TWO DIFFERENT CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION'S. HE SERVED FROM ONE OF THE DISTRICTS AROUND HERE. AND I HEARD THAT HE POSSIBLY IS RETIRING. SO I'M NOT SURE IF HE WOULD TAKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON OR NOT. BUT HE IS A PERSON WHO SERVES FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT BOARDS. >> I JUST WANTED TO LOOK UP THE BACKGROUND ON THOSE.HANK PYOU. >> GOOD IDEA, SUSIE. THANKS. CONNIE? >> I MEAN I -- TO UP COMPLICATE EVERYTHING, ALL OF YOUR ATTORNEYS, ANYTIME YOU ARE GIVEN A NAME? YOU ARE ABLE TO GO TO THE FLORIDA BAR AND DO ALL OF YOUR RESEARCH. SO EVEN IF WE JUST DO A LIST OF NAMES.ND THEY WILL SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT THEY HAVE. IF THEY'VE HAD ANY PROBLEMS ANYTHING IN THE AREAS THAT THEY PRACTICE. THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. IN THE LAW FIRMS HAVE WEBSITES AND BIOGRAPHIES RIGHT THERE ON THE WEBSITES. >> MAY I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? >> YES SIR. >> COURTNEY, DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY FROM CLAY COUNTY? BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO GIVE MONEY AWAY, WE MIGHT AS WELL GIVE IT AWAY TO THE COUNTY. >> THERE'S MARK. SO THE FORMER COUNTY ATTORNEY LIVES IN CLAY COUNTY. MARK'S GROOVY. I DON'T KNOW IF FRAN WOULD DO IT JUST BECAUSE OF HER CHILD. I KNOW UP IN ORANGE PARK, YOU HAVE RICH COMMANDO, WHO SERVES FOR THE CITY OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS AND MAYBE BAKER COUNTY, I THINK? HE HAS GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE. YOU HAVE SAM GARRISON WHO SERVED FOR THE CITY OF ORANGE PARK. AND ROB BRADLEY. GREEN CO. IS JIM ARNOLD. AND THE COUNSEL FOR CC UA IS GRADY WILLIAMSON. >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> IF YOU COULD, FIND SOMEBODY WHO -- PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THE WRONG WAY -- ISN'T INTO POLITICS. NOTHING AGAINST GROOVY AND MR. BRADLEY. NOTHING AGAINST THEM PUTS UP BUT ALSO, FIND SOMEBODY WHO, LIKE YOU SAID, SOMEONE WHO SERVES WITH BAKER. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM CLAY COUNTY SO THEY ACTUALLY CARE. >> I'LL FOLLOW IT UP WITH CONNIE SUGGESTION AND WE WILL SEND IT TO THE CLAY BAR TO SEE IF WE GET ANY RESPONSES. AND IF YOU THINK OF ANYBODY, PLEASE JUST EMAIL ME. >> THANK YOU. >> AND JUST MAYBE DUVAL COUNTY FOR THE REASON THAT DUVAL COUNTY ATTORNEYS MIGHT BE FROM CLAY. >> MM-HMM. >> SO YOU WANT ME TO SEND IT TO THE JACKSONVILLE BAR IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING? >> THAT WOULD GIVE US A WIDER SCOPE. >> OKAY.NY OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REACH OUT? >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST MAYBE START WITH CLAY? AND DEPENDING ON HOW MANY RESPONSES WE GET, IF WE DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPONSES, THEN MAYBE THE SECOND MEASURE WOULD BE TO REACH OUT TO JACKSONVILLE. BUT I SAY WE START LOCAL. AND THEN, IF WE DON'T GET ANYWHERE ENOUGH RESPONSES, WE COULD OPEN THAT UP A LITTLE BI MORE. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. >> I THINK THAT'S A GOOD ONE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DELAY THE PROCESS . SO GETTING IT OUT THERE. WE WANT TO GET STOMACH GIVE PEOPLE ENOUGH NOTICE. I THINK WHAT WE WANT BY THE NEXT MEETING, MY PERSONAL OPINION WOULD BE TO HAVE THIS LIST THAT WE CAN LOOK THROUGH FAIRLY COMPLETE AT THAT POINT. SO WE CAN MAKE SOME DECISIONS AND MOVE ON. >> DO WE WANT TO COME UP WITH A NUMBER NOW? [01:20:28] IS ARLISS GOING TO BE THREE? IS GONNA BE 10? IS IT GOING TO BE 20? >> I'LL BRING BACK TO EVERYBODY WHO RESPONSE. >> OKAY. >> SO WHOEVER SENDS ME PEOPLE, TERESA AND I CAN GET THERE BIOS. WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THEY WILL BE INTERESTED IN SERVING. AND WE WILL PRESENT THAT INFORMATION. AND THEN, ANYBODY WHO RESPONDS FROM THE CLAY BAR ADVERTISEMENT. OR IF CNNIE COMES UP WITH SOME OTHER ONES. BUT WE WILL SUBMIT TO YOU ALL OF THEM AND THEN YOU CAN DO THE SHORT LIST. >> OKAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO END UP WITH A LIST OF 50 ATTORNEYS AND WE SPEND THE WHOLE MEETING TRYING TO WHITTLE THROUGH THAT.> I DON'T THINK YOU WILL. IT WILL BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE NICHE. IT'S A VERY UNIQUE AREA. >> YOU'RE GOING TO DO A LIST OF BOTH CLAY COUNTY AND DUVAL COUNTY? ALL THE LISTS AT ONE TIME. CAN YOU SEGREGATE IT THEN SO WE CAN RECOGNIZE WHO IS CLAY COUNTY AND WHO ISN'T? >> MM-HMM. YEP STOP. >> AT LEAST THEN WE CAN MOVE THROUGH AND HAVE SOME IDEA. >> OF THE TASK IS TO GET A BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING -- A WEEK OR SO SO WE HAVE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT. >> YEP. >> BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS BUSY AND HAVE FULL PLATES. >> OKAY. SO BEFORE YOU MOVE ON TO YOUR AGENDA, DO YOU HAVE A COPY? DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS [PUBLIC COMMENT] BEFORE WE MOVED TO PUBLIC COMMENT?>> ACTUALLY, IT WAS A QUESTION ABOUT PUBLIC COMMENT. DID WE WANT TO SET UP OR MAKE THAT DECISION BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING WHEN WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT? SO WE ARE PREPARED FOR THAT AT OUR NEXT MEETING? >> YES. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THE BCC ROLES ARE THEY ALLOW COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING AND THE END. I THINK PLANNING COMMISSION WE DO BEGINNING AND END AS WELL. >> BEGINNING AND END EVERY ISSUE? >> THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING. THAT'S DIFFERENT. THIS IS JUST PUBLIC COMMENT, WHERE A PERSON WHO COMES IN AND COMMENT. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RELATED TO YOUR BUSINESS. THEY CAN COME IN AND TALK ABOUT THE FACT THEY ARE PSET ABOUT ONE OF THE ROADS OR SOMETHING. >> THAT'S THE SAME THING WE DO WITH THE TPO. >> OKAY. THAT'S UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO HAVE ONE OR TWO. THE BOARD LIMITS EVERYBODY TO THREE MINUTES. WE HAVE A TIMER. SO BETWEEN TERESA AND THE CLERK, WE WILL RUN THE TIMER FOR YOU. THAT WOULD BE WHETHER YOU WANT TO FOLLOW SUIT AND ADOPT THE SAME RULES. >> MR. TAYLOR, HOW DID YOU GUYS DO IT AT THE LAST --? DID YOU DO IT AT THE BEGINNING OR THE END? >> (INDISCERNIBLE) WE DID IT AT THE BEGINNING. WHEN WE HAD PEOPLE THAT WERE GONNA SPEAK BEFORE THE COMMISSION. AND THEN, WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END OF THE MEETING. SO BOTH. REX AND THAT WORKED WELL? >> YEP. IT SEEMED TO WORK REALLY WELL. >> AND BRIAN, FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS, DO WE DO BEGINNING AND END? CAN'T REMEMBER STOP . >> (INDISCERNIBLE). >> (LAUGHING). >> HAVING SET THROUGH A NUMBER OF MEETINGS LIKE THAT, THE THREE MINUTE RULE IS ALSO THE KEY. FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOL OF THE BCC. IN MY OPINION, THAT'S THE WAY TO GO WITH IT. WHICH IS JUST WHAT YOU SAID. BEGINNING AND END WITH STRICT ADHERENCE TO THE RULES. WELL, THAT'S ENOUGH. >> ALL RIGHT. SO I THINK SOMEONE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION IN THE BOARD SHOULD VOTE ON THAT. BUT IT CAN'T BE YOUR MOTION BECAUSE YOU ARE THE CHAIR. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING AND AT THE END OF THE MEETING. >> I'LL SECOND. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ENTERTAIN PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING AND AT THE END. THAT'S OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. >> AND DO ONE A FRIENDLY AMENDMET TO FOLLOW THE BCC RULES? >> (INDISCERNIBLE) AND THE TIMING WILL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES. >> SO WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENT OR DISCUSSION ON EQUITY NO? >> AND WHOEVER SECONDED THAT MOTION DO YOU ALSO SECOND THE AMENDED --? >> SECOND. >> SO WE HAVE THAT FOR THE RECORD? OKAY. VERY GOOD. THAT BEING THE CASE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION WITH THE AMENDMENT, SAY I. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES.>> OKAY. SO IF YOU ARE GOOD, YOU CAN MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU WOULD LIKE. >> SO THAT WAS A PUBLIC COMMENT PIECE. THE NEXT ITEM ON IT IS MEMBER COMMENTS. >> FIRST WE NEED TO OPEN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> YOU ARE RIGHT. I DON'T HAVE A GAVEL, BUT -- OPENING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. GOING FORWARD -- I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS, BUT I THINK WE RECOGNIZE MR. CHAMBLISS AS [01:25:01] SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. WELCOME THIS EVENING. >> I'LL CERTAINLY BE MINDFUL OF YOUR TIME. DOES THE THREE-MINUTE START FOR THIS MEETING OR THE FUTURE MEETINGS? [LAUGHTER] >> MR. CHAMBLISS, BE SEATED! >> MY NAME IS CHRIS CHAMPA'S SERVER SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION. I BEEN WITH THE OFFICE FOR 23 YEARS. 13 YEARS AS SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. I'M JUST ONE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. OF COURSE, WITH THE LEGISLATIVE JUDICIAL BRANCH. I WILL BE REACHING OUT TO EACH ONE OF YOU. THIS IS MY FOURTH CRC. AND SO, I REACH OUT TO EACH ONE OF YOU AND TRY TO SET A MEETING IN MY OFFICE. TO WHERE YOU CAN COME AND LEARN ABOUT OUR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. AND I AM CONFIDENT THAT EACH ONE OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, WHICH ARE THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, WILL DO SO AS WELL. MAKE SURE YOU USE US AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND NAVIGATE THIS VERY IMPORTANT PIECE. A QUESTION WAS ASKED WITH REGARDS TO WHAT WOULD I LOOK AT, WHAT WOULD I BONE UP ON? I'D START WITH THE FLORIDA CONSTITUTIONAL ARTICLE 8, SECTION 1A. AND THEN I WOULD GO TO CHAPTER 125 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES. T SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE ORGANIZATION OF GOVERNMENT. AND THEN, OF COURSE, I BELIEVE FROM THAT AND GO TO THE COUNTY CHARTER, 2.2. BECAUSE WE ARE A CHARTERED COUNTY, IT GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY TO WRITE OUR OWN STORY. AND THEN, ANOTHER GREAT RESOURCE IS THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES.ND THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL GET THAT SPREADSHEET THAT WILL TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES IN THE STATE. AND WHAT FORMS OF GOVERNMENT THEY HAVE IN PLACE. AND HOW MANY MEMBERS THEY HAVE. AND WHAT THEIR POPULATION AND THEIR FORM OF GOVERNMENT IS. THE FLORIDA ASSOCIATION OF COUNTIES. AGAIN, I WANT TO BE MINDFUL OF YOUR TIME. BUT I DID WANT TO COME UP AND INTRODUCE MYSELF. I WILL ATTEMPT TO BE AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING. IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE OF Y'ALL. IT'S BECAUSE THIS PROCESS IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ENGAGED. WITH THAT SAID, ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> WELL, I'VE EITHER DONE REALLY WELL -- >> WE HAVE ONE. >> COULD YOU PLEASE REPEAT THAT FIRST RESOURCE THAT YOU --? >> OUR FLORIDA CONSTITUTION. OKAY, THAT'S ARTICLE 8. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS MISSING. >> AND THEN, CHAPTER 125 OF OUR FLORIDA STATUTE. ANOTHER THING THAT'S INTERESTING AND I HAVE TO THROW IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THIS STUMBLES EVERYBODY. KEEP IN MIND THE CHARTERED FORM OF GOVERNMENT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SCHOOL BOARD. AND SO, IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY SINGLE CRC THERE ARE A LOT OF QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT. THAT'S THEIR OWN ENTITY.NOT THAT I DON'T WANT YOU TO WASTE YOUR TIME, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO WASTE YOUR TIME. ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> GOT BLESS YOU ALL. THANK YOU. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> MR. CHAIR? >> YES SIR? >> MR. CHAMBLISS, IN THE LAST CRC WAS VERY INFORMATIVE TO THE COMMISSION APPEAR. AND HE BROUGHT A NEW PERSPECTIVE ON HOW WE DO OUR BUSINESS APPEAR. AND HE HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND A LOT OF RESOURCES. I HOPE THAT YOU WILL DO THE SAME THING THIS TIME. >> I KNOW THAT ALL YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS IN THEIR OWN REALM OF EXPERTISE WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE WITH YOU EXACTLY -- YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, OF COURSE. THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CREATE THE LAW. WE ARE YOUR CEOS. WE ARE THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. WE ARE TYPICALLY LONG TENURED. IN MY OWN INDUSTRY, I'M NOT GOING TO BECOME STATE CERTIFIED UNTIL ALMOST ABOUT 10 YEARS IT TAKES ME TO GET THROUGH TO GET MY STATE CERTIFICATION AND NATIONAL CERTIFICATION. AND SO, THERE IS A LOT TO LEARN. AND ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS ARE JUST THAT. BEING THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, WE TAKE THE LAWS THAT ARE SET DOWN. AND WE IMPLEMENT THAT. AND SO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THAT PERSPECTIVE. >> JUST FOR MY OWN CLARIFICATION, CAN YOU [01:30:08] ARTICULATE THE TITLES OF THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS AS DEFINED BY THE STATUTES? >> YES. SO THAT IS YOUR CLERK OF COURT. YOUR PROPERTY APPRAISER. YOU'RE SHERIFF. YOUR SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. AND YOUR TAX COLLECTOR. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. >> I KNOW THE NEW AGE LINGO IS COUNTY OFFICERS, BUT IT'S CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS.REX OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I'M A LITTLE BIASED LEFT LAP. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> I WAS TALKING TO OUR SHERIFF EARLIER TODAY, AND THERE IS A MOVEMENT AFOOT IN CONGRESS TO HAVE A NATIONAL POLICE FORCE. THEY WOULD TAKE THE SHERIFFS AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS AND PUT THEM UNDER SOME KIND OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY LIKE THAT. I'M UNDER THE BELIEF THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENT -- WE ARE A CHARTERED GOVERNMENT. WE ARE HOME RULED. SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE HOW WE COULD PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING THROUGH THE CHARTER, FROM OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND FROM OUR SHERIFF. WE DO HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE. I MEAN, WE DON'T MAKE ANY RULES APPEAR AND WE DON'T MAKE ANY LAWS APPEAR. BUT WE DO RECOMMEND TO OUR CITIZENS AND VOTERS OUT THERE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO STAYING ON TOP OF THINGS. HOW THINGS ARE GOING IN THIS COUNTRY. FOR MY LITTLE NECK OF THE WOODS. >> IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AND GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL CHARTER AND THE STARTER CHARGER FOR THE COUNTY. JUST LIKE YOU CAN GO BACK INTO THE STATE CONSTITUTION OR THE FEDERAL CONSTITUTION, THEY WERE VERY SMART MEN AND WOMEN. YOU KNOW, THERE IS A RATIONALE. THERE IS ALWAYS A BALANCE OF POWER. AND SO, THERE IS A REASON WHY THERE IS THAT SEPARATION OF BRANCHES SPECIFICALLY FOR STOPGAPS. IN BEING ABLE TO HAVE RUNAWAY GOVERNMENT.SO AGAIN, I'VE SAID TOO MUCH. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS KIMBERLY. I LIVE AT 3118 CHASE LANE IN ORANGE PARK. EIGHT YEARS AGO, I WAS UP THERE ON THE CHARTER REVIEW. IN FACT, RIGHT WHERE MR. JAPS IS SITTING. THAT WAS THE YEAR THAT WE DECIDED NOT TO MOVE ANYTHING FORWARD. AND I THINK THAT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION AT THAT TIME. SOMETIMES, JUST LOOKING OVER AND SAYING OKAY, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO DO ANYTHING -- SOMETIMES THAT'S THE BEST OPTION. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF IDEAS THAT I WILL PROBABLY CONTACT YOU WITH LATER. I WANTED TO COMMENT ON THE LAWYER -- THE LEGAL COUNSEL. I WANTED TO SAY THE ONE WE HAD CAME FROM CENTRAL FLORIDA. BUT I DON'T REALLY REMEMBER THAT MUCH ABOUT IT. WE NEVER HAD TO UTILIZE HIM. I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY THAT IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO FIND SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF CLAY COUNTY THAT IS COMPLETELY DISCONNECTED FROM THE DECISIONS THAT YOU MAKE? BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. REMEMBER SUNSHINE LAWS. FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF WITH THOSE. YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK WITH EACH OTHER OUTSIDE OF AN ADVERTISED MEETING. AND -- I THINK THAT'S MOSTLY IT. OH, ONE SUBJECT THAT I KNOW CAME UP LAST TIME. IT CAME UP WHEN WE WERE HERE WAS THE SALARY FOR COMMISSIONERS AS A SET I NUMBER IN THE CHARTER. AND I THINK THAT OCCASIONALLY COMES UP THAT SOMEBODY WANTS TO RAISE THAT. I REMEMBER FRANK FARRELL TOLD US HOW EVERY COUNTY IN THE STATE WAS DOING IT. IN A REALLY LONG DRAWN OUT PRESENTATION. BUT THE REASON IT'S THAT WAY HAPPENED BEFORE I MOVED TO THE COUNTY -- THAT WOULD BE 11 YEARS AGO. IT WAS BACK LASH FROM SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION DID. THERE WAS A PETITION DRIVE TO [01:35:08] READJUST THINGS. AND THAT NUMBER WAS SET. SO IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT? MY IDEA OF EIGHT YEARS AGO WAS TO TIE IT TO MEDIAN INCOME OF THE COUNTY. SO THE COMMISSIONERS, BUT THEY GET PAID WILL DIRECTLY REPRESENT HOW THE AFFECT THE COUNTY. IF THEY MANAGED TO BRING UP THE QUALITY OF LIFE AND RAISE THE MEDIAN INCOME? THEN THEY GET PAID A LITTLE BIT MORE. IF THEY MESS UP AND DROPS? SO DOES THEIR PAY. SO THAT WAS MY IDEA WILL STOP THE SUBJECT WENT AWAY SHORTLY AFTER THAT. SO I WILL PROBABLY CONTACT EACH ONE OF YOU SEPARATELY. EIGHT YEARS AGO, THE ONLY CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER THAT CONTACTED ME WAS MR. CHE BLISS. NONE OF THE OTHERS DID. BUT A COUPLE OF THEM HAVE CHANGED NOW. TWO OR THREE. SO HOPEFULLY, THEY WILL. AND -- GOOD LUCK. AND MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS! [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU SIR. ESPECIALLY FOR THAT LAST PIECE OF ADVICE! (LAUGHING. YES, SIR,? >> TRAVIS CHRISTIANSEN -- JUST A COUPLE PIECES OF ADVICE. FIRST OFF, I WAS WATCHING YOUR MEETINGS SINCE IT BEGAN.E AWARE, YOU ARE ON TELEVISION RIGHT NOW! THIS IS ON VIDEO. SO VIDEO IS FOREVER. I'VE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE PEOPLE UPSET EMBARRASSING THINGS UP THERE. YOU WOULDN'T THINK -- Y'ALL SEEM PROFESSIONAL.YOU DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD NEED A REMINDER BUT PEOPLE SOMEHOW NEED THAT REMINDER (LAUGHING)! OF PROFESSIONAL DECORUM. ANOTHER THING IS WHEN YOU START LOOKING THE CHANGING THE FORM OF THE BODY OF GOVERNMENT? THAT'S A HIGHLY COMPLEX SUBJECT. THAT'S FAR BEYOND MY CAPABILITY TO SAY WHAT A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION CAN OR CAN'T DO. A LOT OF THE RESOURCES ARE VERY GOOD THAT ARE CITED. SOME OF THEM HAVE DONE SOME DIFFERENT THINGS. BUT IT'S REALLY A VERY COMPLEX SUBJECT. YOU FINDING SOMETHING AND PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DIDN'T FIND AND MAKE THINGS BETTER. THESE BODIES FALL VERY SHORT OF WHAT YOU CALL DEEP THOUGHT ON SUBJECTS. NOT SO MUCH THE CRC IN CLAY, THE STATE CONSTITUTIONAL REVISION COMMISSION? THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLE DISAPPOINTMENT. STATE-LEVEL, PROFESSIONAL PEOPLE MADE FOOLS OF THEMSELVES ON PUBLIC TELEVISION WHICH ARE SOME OF THE SILLIEST THINGS YOU'VE EVER HEARD. WE THROW YOU IN MY LITTLE PET PROJECT. MR. TAYLOR, THE THING THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT NOT BEING IN FAVOR OF NATIONALIZED POLICE? I LIKE THE WAY YOU ARE THINKING, SIR. I'M TOTALLY BEHIND THAT! WHAT I'M THINKING IS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I BELIEVE, THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER OF CLAY COUNTY WAS TALKING ABOUT MAKING THIS THE SECOND AMENDMENT SANCTUARY COUNTY. THAT WAS JUST A FORM OF RESOLUTION. IT GOT WATERED DOWN. IT WAS A LITTLE BIT SAD TO WATCH.A SIMPLE THING -- BUT THE PEOPLE HERE BELIEVE IN. WE CAN'T GO FULL-SCALE. (INDISCERNIBLE). WHETHER IT WOULD HAVE LEGAL FORCE OR NOT, IT'S HARD TO SAY. THE SECOND AMENDMENT -- IT'S LIKE A GUN. YOU'D RATHER HAVE IT NOT NEED IT THEN NEED NOT HAVE IT. SO I WILL ADVOCATE FOR THAT. SO THANKS AND GOOD LUCK. >> THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO? * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.