[Call to Order] [00:00:08] . >> THANK YOU HAVE BEEN -- [Pledge of Allegiance] EVERYBODY. I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME YOU TO OUR MEETING OF OCTOBER 5TH. BEFORE WE CONDUCT BUSINESS I WOULD LIKE TO ASK EVERYBODY TO STAND RECITE THE PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF THE AMERICA AND TO IF REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. >> I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO MAKE A FEW INTRODUCTIONS. MY NAME IS RALPH, I'M THE CURRENT CHAIRMAN OF THIS PLANNING AN ZONING COMMISSION. ON THE DAIS WE HAVE COMMISSIONER DAVIS NORTON, BRIDGEMAN, COMMISSIONER BOURRÉ AND ON THE LOWER DESK IS COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON AND NEXT TO HIM IS JIM OR JAMES FOSSA. HE RENTS CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AT THESE HEARINGS. WE ALSO HAVE STAFF PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, CHRISTINE BLANCHARD WHO IS FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO TAKE OUR MINUTES IS SITTING OUT THERE. NEXT CHERESSE STEWART DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVICES. I THINK OUR MANAGER LEFT TO GO TO HIS OFFICE. WHO ELSE HAVE WE GOT? WE'VE GOT MIKE BROWN WHO IS OUR CHIEF ZONER, DODI SELIG WHO IS OUR SENIOR PLANNER AND SOMEWHERE I SAW BETH, BETH CARSON OUR CHIEF PLAN AND ALSO OR COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY GRIMM IS HERE TO MAKE SURE WE STAY ON TASK. I TWO LIKE TO THANK DEPUTY SHERIFF GIBBONS HERE TO INSURE ORDER IF NEED BE. AND WITH THAT, THIS BOARD IS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND ANY DECISIONS WE MAKE HERE TONIGHT WILL BE REFERRED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR THEIR FINAL APPROVAL. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A QUICK POLL HANDS IS FINE, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE ATTENDED A PLANNING HEARING BEFORE. OKAY. AT LEAST YOU GUYS KIND OF KNOW THE PROCESS. THAT'S GREAT. THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK REAL QUICK, I HAVE QUITE A FEW CARDS FOR WHAT IS ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA WHICH IS THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN S. THAT, CAN YOU HOLD YOU ARE HANDS FUN YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT ONE? OKAY. I'M GOING TO TAKE THE POSITION OF THE CHAIR. I'M GOING TO REARRANGE THE AGENDA AND PUT YOU GUYS UP FIRST SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT THROUGH THE WHOLE THING. WITH THAT, I THINK WE CAN MOVE [1.  Approval of Minutes] RIGHT INTO OUR AGENDA FOR THE NIGHT. FIRST ITEM IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, SEPTEMBER 7TH. >> I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND. >> MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVAL AYE? [Public Comment] OPPOSED? OKAY. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OR THE FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. IT DOESN'T PERTAIN TO ANY ITEMS ON THE AGENDA SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS THEY WANT TO MAKE TO THIS BOARD OUTSIDE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS THIS WOULD BE THE TIME TO COMFORT. I'LL OPEN THAT HEARING. SEEING NO ONE I'LL CLOSE IT. [6.  Public Hearing to Consider Application CPA 21-12 Text Amendment to Exhibit M, Lake Asbury Master Plan, of the 2040 Comprehensive Plan. Mike Brown, Zoning Chief] AND WE WILL GET RIGHT INTO THE ACTUALLY WHAT IS ITEM NUMBER 6 ON OUR AGENDA. WHO HAS NUMBER 6? YOU HAVE IT MR. BROWN? THIS WILL BE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPLICATION CPA 21-12 IT IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO EXHIBIT M OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN OF THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AN MR. BROWN OR ZONING CHIEF WILL HAVE THE PRESENTATION ON THIS. >> MICHIGAN CHAIRMAN AN PLANNING [00:05:02] COMMISSION, THIS APPLICATION PUD 21-04 IS A -- GOT THE WRONG ONE. APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. CPA 21-12 IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT TO COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE APPLICANT IS TEAM EFFORT, INC. THE AGENT IS SUSAN FRASER OF SLF CONSULTING AND THE REQUEST IS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE 2040 COMP PLAN EXHIBIT M LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN TO PERMIT DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AT A NET DENSITY OF LESS THAN ONE UNIT PER ACRE WHEN CENTRAL SEWER IS NOT REQUIRED IN THE L.A. LAND USE DESTINATION AN AMEND REMEMBERING RAKES STAN DPARDZ FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE WHEN THE LOTS ARE ONE HALF ACRE OR LARGER IN SIZE. JUST A LITTLE PRECURSOR. TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMP PLAN APPLIES TO ALL PROPERTIES THAT WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE PROPOSED CHANGE. THESE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE TO TRY TO FACILITATE A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WHICH YOU WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH MOST LIKELY. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THESE CHANGES ARE SPECIFIC ONLY FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. ANY CHANGE TO THE COMP PLAN APPLIES TO ALL ACREAGE WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THAT CHANGE. SO, WITH THAT JUST TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE CHANGES PROPOSED, THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN SETS A MINIMUM DENSITY OF ONE ACRE AND MAXIMUM DENSITY OF 3 ACRES IN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE. THE TEXT CHANGE AS PROPOSED WOULD REMOVE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED DENSITY IN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE LAND USE AND AS A RESULT THERE, WOULD BE NO MINIMUM DENSITY, WHICH WOULD ALLOW FOR PARCELS LARGER THAN ONE ACRE TO BE DEVELOPED. THE CHANGE PROPOSED, URBAN INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAKE ASBURY URBAN SERVICE AREA DOES REQUIRE ACCESS TO PUBLIC FACILITIES INCLUDING CENTRAL WATER AND CENTRAL SEWER AS ADOPTED TODAY. BY DEFINITION, LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE LAND USE IS INCLUDED IN THE LAKE ASBURY URBAN SERVICE AREA, AND THERE BY ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT LAST USE REQUIRES CENTRAL WATER AND CENTRAL SEWER SERVICE. PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD ALLOW NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE TO UTILIZE ON SITE SEWER OR SEPTIC SYSTEM WHEN CENTRAL SEWER SERVICE IS NOT AVAILABLE WITHIN ONE QUARTER MILE OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROPERTY LINE AND THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ONE HALF ACRE. THE REQUESTED CHANGES ALSO WOULD ALLOW NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZES OF ONE HALF ACRE IN SIZE OR ALLOW NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ONE HALF ACHOR IN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE TO HAVE AN OPTION TO REDUCE THE APPLICABLE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK REQUIREMENTS BY 50 PERCENT OR DOUBLE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THAT EACH DWELLING UNIT MAY BE FROM A PRIMARY PARK OR COMMUNITY PARK. TODAY, IN LAKE ASBURY, THERE IS A -- THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS FOR PROVIDING PARK PROVISIONS AND DISTANCES TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THAT. THIS CHANGE AS PROPOSED WOULD REDUCE THOSE EITHER REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ACREAGE THAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDE PER UNIT OR EXTEND THE DISTANCE A UNITS COULD BE FROM ANY PARK AREA. IN ANALYZING THE CHANGES LAKE ASBURY MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN [00:10:07] WAS ADOPTED IN 2006 AND REPRESENTS THE ULTIMATE BUILD OUT OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA. THE PLAN WAS INTENDED WHEN ADOPTED TO PROVIDE THE ORDERLY GROWTH PROTECTION OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND PROVISIONS FOR ADEQUATE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT GROWTH WITHIN THE ENTIRE MASTER PLAN AREA. THE REMOVAL OF THE MINIMUM DENSITY WOULD ALLOW LARGER PARCELS IN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE LAND USE LARGER LOTS OFTENTIMES RESULT IN LESS DENSE DEVELOPMENT WITH LESS DEMAND FOR SERVICES HOWEVER IT IS ALSO RESULTS IN DEVELOPMENT BEING MORE SPREAD OUT WHICH IN TURN REQUIRES THE NEED TO EXTEND INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS ROADS AND CENTRAL SERVICES WHICH INCREASE THE COST OF PROVIDING THOSE INFRASTRUCTURES AS WELL AS PROVIDING LARGER LONGER TRAVEL DISTANCES. LARGER PARCELS WILL TEND TO LEAD TO SUBURBAN SPRAWL WHICH WAS ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS RAISED IN THE '06 ADOPTION AND THE REASON FOR GOING THROUGH THE EFFORT IN '06 TO ADOPT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA. THE PROPOSED CHANGES WILL ALSO RESULTED IN A REDUCTION IN THE REQUIRED NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AREA PROVIDED FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS AN THOSE WITH A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ONE HALF ACRE. THE RESULTS IN THE LOWER -- THE RESULT WOULD BE A LOWER OF THE RECREATIONAL SERVICE IN THE RURAL FRINGE LANCE USE AND THIS SEEMS TO GO AGAINST THE GOAL OF PROVIDING SUFFICIENT HIGH QUALITY RECREATIONAL FACILITIES TO SERVE THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA. THE ALLOWANCE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT WITH MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ONE HALF ACRE TO BE GEPD WITH ON SITE SEPTIC WILL EXPAND THE POTENTIAL USE OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA. AT PRESENT SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL COMMUNITY LAND USE CATEGORY WHEN DENSITY EXCEEDS ONE ACRE OR TWO ACRES MANY SO THIS CHANGE PROBABLY THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT WOULD ALLOW IF ADOPTED THE DEVELOPMENT OF HALF ACRE DEVELOPMENT ON, IF SEPTIC SYSTEM IS NOT AVAILABLE, OR CENTRAL SEWER IS NOT AVAILABLE WOULD ALLOW THOSE HALF ACRE LOTS TO UTILIZE SEPTIC SYSTEM. FAILING INADEQUATE MAINTAIN SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE A PRIME SOURCE OF WATER POLLUTION AND WATER QUALITY ISSUES. WE HAVE SEEN THAT. THAT'S RECOGNIZED THROUGHOUT THE STATE. [STATIC] >> WITH EFFORTS BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT AND OTHER STATE AGENCIES PROVIDING GRANT MONEY TO TRY TO BRING A LOT OF THE OLD SEPTIC SYSTEMS INTO CENTRAL SEWER SYSTEMS FOR WATER QUALITY PROTECTION. COUNT TORE THE OBJECTIVE THAT CENTRAL UTILITY SYSTEMS SHALL BE RESERVED FORWARD HIGH DENSITY INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT WHICH BY DEFINITION IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN INCLUDED RURAL FRINGE AREAS. SO, THAT CHANGE SEEMS TO BE COUNTER TO THAT POLICY IN THE COMP PLAN. [INAUDIBLE] >> WITH THAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT CPA 21-12 NOT BE TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE FOR REVIEW BASED ON THOSE PREVIOUS CONCERNS I RAISED IN THE ANALYSIS. ANY QUESTIONS? >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE DO THAT. YOU SAID THAT IT TWO APPLY TO ANY OF THE ZONING IN THE COUNTY BUT L.A. -- >> THESE CHANGES WOULD ONLY APPLY. >> IN THE MASTER PLAN. >> IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN RURAL FRINGE AREA. >> OKAY. >> ANY PARCEL WITHIN THE ADOPTION OF THE CHANGES COULD -- [00:15:05] THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE CHANGES. >> OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ONE. >> I DO. >> GO AHEAD. >> MIKE, WHAT IS THE MINIMUM NOW FOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS? ACREAGE. >> IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA, YOU CAN ONLY DO SEPTIC SYSTEM IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY FUTURE LAND USE WITH AS LONG AS THE DENSITY IS GREATER THAN ONE DWELLING UNIT PER TWO ACRES MANY SO BASICALLY WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AREA YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO ACRES, A NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TWO ACRES TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY OR MEET THE COMP PLAN REQUIREMENT OF NOT HAVING CENTRAL SEWER. I HOPE I ANSWERED THE QUESTION. >> YES, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. IT'S TWO ACRES. JUST TO BE CLEAR THIS PROPOSAL WANTS TO TAKE ITS DOWN TO A HALF ACRE? >> YES. THE PROPOSAL IS TO DROP TO IT HALF ACRE WITHIN THE RURAL FRINGE IF IT'S NOT AVAILABLE. AND THEN THAT'S -- >> SO IS THIS RUN BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT? >> THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE DID NOT RUN IT THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WILL ISSUE OUTSIDE OF THE LAKE ASBURY AND OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY RURAL FRINGE OUTSIDE LAKE ASBURY CAN YOU DEVELOP ON HALF ACRE WITH SEPTIC. BUT, LAKE ASBURY IS SPECIAL. >> MR. BOURRÉ. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE YOUR FIRST QUESTION BECAUSE IT WAS CONFUSING. THIS APPLIES TO LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. I'M GLAD WE CLARIFIED THAT. SEPTIC SYSTEMS WE DO ALLOW HALF ACRE ON OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY. LACK ASBURY REQUIRES THE TWO ACRE MINIMUM BUT MY FOCUS WAS ON THE 350 PERCENT REDUCTION IN PARKS I ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THE SEPTIC PIECE BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS WOULD BRING FORWARD A PROPOSAL TO REDUCE THE PARK REQUIREMENTS BY 50 PERCENT. DO YOU HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE THOSE PARKS ARE? >> NO, I DON'T. IT'S BASED ON NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME IN HAVE TO PROVIDE THE PARKS FOR THEIR DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION. THANK YOU MIKE. >> MR. GARRISON. >> IS THIS WOULD BE MIKE OR THE APPLICANT, ON THE FIRST PAGE I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BY ALL THE DESCRIPTION KEN'STY AND WHAT HAVE YOU, NUMBER 1 MID PAGE THE MINIMUM DENSITY WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS CHANGED FROM ONE DWELLING UNIT PER NET ACRE TO ONE DWELLING UNITS PER FOUR ACRES. >> THAT WAS, YOU'D HAVE ASK THE APPLICANT ON THAT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, I WOULD ASK THEM TO COME FORWARD PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING. SUSAN FRASER SLF CONSULTING 3507 PARK STREET? JACKSONVILLE. YOU'RE HERE TONIGHT TO CONSIDER A PART OF THE TWO-PART APPLICATION, SO THE APPLICATION YOU'RE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING IS A COMPANION TO A REZONING APPLICATION FOR PROPERTY WITHIN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. THE REZONING APPLICATION SEEKS TO CHANGE 100 ACRES OWNED BY TEAM EFFORT FROM PS-2 ZONING DISTRICT ON WHICH THEY OPERATE A YOUTH CAMP TO, A PUD UNDER THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. THE PUD SITE PLAN WHICH YOU WILL CONSIDER NEXT MONTH PROPOSES 74 SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ON A HUNDRED ACRES. THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ONE HALF ACHE WEATHER 18 OF THE 74 LOTS BEING GREATER THAN ACHOR IN AREA. THERE'S A LOT 7 ACHERS IN SIZE, A LOT 5 ACHERS IN SIZE MANY LOTS 2 TO 2 AND A HALF ACRES IN SIZE. IN ORDER TO ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CAMP PROPERTY, UNDER THE LAKE ASBURY DESIGNATION THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE REZONED SO THIS PROPERTY HAS RESIDENTIAL LAND USE OF RURAL FRINGE BUT IT HAS ZONING FOR A YOUTH CAMP AND A YOUTH CAMP DOESN'T LOW RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO CURRENTLY AS ADOPTED THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WOULD NOT PERMIT FEWER THAN 100 LOTS. [00:20:07] WE WANT 74 LOTS BUT THE COMP PLAN SAYS NO YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST 100 LOTS ON THIS PROPERTY IF IT'S GOING TO BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND IT WOULD REQUIRE THE EXTENSION OF CENTRAL SEWER TO THE CAMP PROPERTY. SO IN ORDER TO CONSIDER THE PUD SITE PLAN THE AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND POLICIES PROPOSED THIS EVENING HAVE TO BE APPROVED. WE ARE ASKING FOUR YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO TRANSMIT THESE CHANGES AND THE PUD ZONING APPLICATION THAT'S BEEN FILED WITH THE COUNTY AND WILL BE CONSIDERED IN NOVEMBER. YOU WILL HEAR THAT BASED ON YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THESE CHANGES TO THE COMP PLAN. CHANGES TO THE LDR'S FOR CONSISTENCY TO ALLOW WHAT IS IN THE PROPOSED PLAN AMENDMENT WOULD ALSO BE HEARD IN NOVEMBER. SO WHY ARE WE HERE? WE ARE HERE BECAUSE TEAM EFFORT -- OKAY. I GOT A SLIDE BEFORE THAT. >> TELL ME WHEN YOU WANT IT. >> CAN I GO BACK TO NUMBER 1? THEY'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY IN LAKE ASBURY YOUTH PS-2 ZONING PRIOR TO THEIR ACQUISITION OF THE PROPERTY. THEY PURCHASED IT FROM THE TRUSTEES OF THE FLORIDA ANNUAL CONFERENCE OF THE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH IN 2012 AND BEFORE THAT THE METHODIST CHURCH OPERATED A YOUTH CAMP MANY YEARS PRIOR TO THE ACQUISITION IN 2011. THANKS. AND SO, WHILE TEAM EFFORT OPERATES FOUR YOUTH CAMPS NATIONALLY ON RENTED PROPERTY THEIR NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS ARE LOCATED ON THE PROPERTY IN LAKE ASBURY SO THEY HAVE PERMANENT IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS PROPERTY THERE'S CAMP HOUSING PARKING ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING A SERVICE BUILDING WHICH IS THEIR CAFETERIA AND YOUTH ROOM 5,000 SQUARE FEET CARETAKER'S HOUSE AND CAFETERIA. THANKS. SO THIS PROPERTY IS IN THE RURAL FRINGE LAND USE DESIGNATION IT'S IN LAKE ASBURY. THE LAND USE DESIGNATION REQUIRES AT LEAST ONE UNIT PER ACRE UP TO THREE AND APPLIES TO CAMP PROPERTY SURROUNDING LANDS CENTRAL WATER AVAILABLE TO THE PROPERTY IN SURROUNDING LANDS BUT ALL THE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA SERVED BY ON SITE SEPTIC SO THIS IS AN AREA THAT PREDATES THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. EVERY DWELLING OUTS HERE IS ON SEPTIC TANK AND THEY'RE ADJACENT TO THE LAKES AND THEY ARE NOT ADJACENT TO THE LAKES BUT THIS IS AN AREA THAT'S BEEN SERVED IN THIS WAY FOR MANY MANY YEARS. WE THEN TALK TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT SUITABILITY OF SEPTIC TANKS IN THIS AREA AND THEY SAY THE OIL IS SUITABLE FOR SEPTIC TANKS AND ALL THE SYSTEMS OUT HERE ARE IN GROUND SYSTEMS BECAUSE THE SOIL IS ADEQUATE TO TREAT THE WASTE THAT WOULD COME FROM RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS CLEARLY ONE OF THE LARGEST PIECES OF PROPERTY IN I'LL CALL LAKE ASBURY PROPER WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE THE NAME IS THE LAKES. IT'S WOODED. THE CAMP OPERATES IN THE MIDDLE. YOU CAN SEE THE CLEARED AREA. THERE'S A PRIVATE LAKE OWNED BY TEAM EFFORT BY A AND A HALF TO 6 ACHEERS THAT LIES WITHIN THE PROPERTY ITSELF. THERE'S A DAM BETWEEN THE PRIVATE LAKE AND THE LARGER LAKE ASBURY LAKES. THAT DAM IS OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY TEAM EFFORT. CLAY COUNTY HAS CONSTRUCTED A ROAD OVER THAT DAM. IT DOES NOT TONE PROPERTY UNDER THAT ROAD SO AT THIS POINT IT IS PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTAINED BY TEAM EFFORT. SO, AT THIS POINT, WHY ARE WE HERE? TEAM EFFORT HAS HAD A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM FOR YOUTH CAMPS ON THIS PROPERTY COMING UP ON TEN YEARS TO YOU BUT THE NEXT PROBLEM IS THE PROBLEM WE'VE ALL HAD MANY TEAM EFFORT WAS LOST ALL ITS CAMP PARTICIPANTS IN 2020. THEY HOSTED ONLY 30 PERCENT OF THEIR NORMAL YOUTH CAMPERS THIS YEAR. AND SO, THEY ARE IN A DEVASTATING FINANCIAL POSITION. THEY HAVE A MORTGAGE ON THIS PROPERTY. THIS SPROT AN ASSET THAT HAS ALLOWED THEM TO OPERATE OTHER CAMPS. MR. JONES IS ON THE BOARD OF TEAM EFFORT AND HE'S HERE TONIGHT AND HE WILL PROBABLY SPEAK TO YOU END OF MY PRESENTATION WHO THEY ARE AND THE POSITION THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN A VERY UNDESIRABLE POSITION FOR THEM AND FOR MANY OTHERS. SO TEAM EFFORT FOUND ME BECAUSE THEY FIND THAT THEY HAVE A COUPLE OF OPTIONS. THEIR OPTIONS ARE LIMITED PRETTY MUCH TO SELL THE ENTIRE PROPERTY RELOCATE THE CAMP, PAY OFF THEIR DEBT, USE THAT ASSET TO FURTHER THEIR OPERATION SOMEWHERE ELSE [00:25:03] UNDER THEIR CAMP, OR THEY CAN MAINTAIN THE CAMP ON THE PROPERTY AND MEET THEIR FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS BY SELLING A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY SO THE APPLICATIONS TO AMEND THE COMP PLAN AND REZONE THE CAMP PROPERTY REPRESENT THE SECOND OPTION THAT THERE WOULD BE A SECOND OPTION WHICH WOULD ALLOW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S PROPOSED IN THE PUD SITE PLAN AND THE YOUTH CAMP COULD REMAINED AND THERE WOULD BE A PORTION OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS DEVELOPED. SO THREES ARE REQUIRED FOR TO US MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PUD ZONING. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW WHO HAVE BEEN PLANNING COMMISSIONERS A LONG TIME THE DIFFERENCE AGAIN PUD ZONING AND STRAIGHT ZONING IS YOU'LL SEE A SITE PLAN AND YOU'LL APPROVE A SITE PLAN AND WHOEVER BUYS THIS PROPERTY PORTION OF THE PROPERTY FROM TEAM EFFORT BECAUSE THEY'RE INSEARLY NOT DEVELOPERS WILL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THAT SITE PLAN AND IF THEY SELL IT OUTRIGHT TO A DEVELOPER BECAUSE THERE IS NO OPTION FOR THEM OTHER THAN A SALE, THE DEVELOPER CAN EXTEND THE SEWER AND COME TO YOU FOR LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE ZONING AND IT AN APPROVAL UNDER THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. SO BELIEVE THAT THIS ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE A PARTICIPATION IN WHAT THAT SITE PLAN IS, IT ALLOWS THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE APPRAISE AND REQUIRES ANYBODY WHO MOVES FORWARD TO MEET THOSE CONDITIONS. SO AGAIN THESE CHANGES TO THE COMP PLAN WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE FEWER LOTS AND WE CAN ONLY DO THAT WITHOUT CENTRAL SEWER. CENTRAL SEWER IS A MILE AWAY AT HENLEY AND A DEVELOPER WITH THE PRICES FOR THE PROPERTY IN LAKE ASBURY RIGHT NOW WOULD READILY EXTEND THAT SEWER AND PUT IN THREE UNITS PER ACRE AND THAT'S WHAT IS ALLOWED WITH CENTRAL SEWER IN LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE. SO IF I COULD, THE NEXT ONE. SO AGAIN WE ARE GOING TO SAY THIS A COUPLE TIMES BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT AS FAMILIAR AS MOST OF YOU ARE. THE CAMP IS LOCATED IN THE LAKE ASBURY PLANNING DISTRICT. IT WAS PLACED IN RURAL FRINGE AND USE IN 1992. I WAS HERE THEN. THE COUNTY ADOPTED ITS FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN AND THERE WAS NO LAND USE PRIOR TO THAT SO THE PROPERTY GOT THAT LAND USE BUT AT THE TIME IT WAS A YOUTH CAMP. THE METHODIST CHURCH HAD A YOUTH CAMP SO ZONING REMAINED PS-2. AND THEN, WHEN THE COUNTY ADOPTED THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN IN 2006, THEY CHANGED ALL THE LAKE, ALL THE LANDS DESIGNATED RURAL FRINGE THAT WERE INSIDE THE BOUNDARY TO LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE. AND THAT SO PRIOR TO THAT WE HAD THAT DESIGNATION AND EVERYBODY AROUND US GOT LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE. AND THEN BEFORE THE COUNTY DID THAT IN 2006, THE DAY BEFORE THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED THIS PROPERTY WAS SUBJECT TO THE RURAL FRINGE REQUIREMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN. PRIOR TO THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD HAVE DEVELOPED WITH POINTS IN CENTRAL WATER BUT NO CENTRAL SEWER AT TWO UNITS PER ACRE. SO THOSE WERE THE RIGHTS THAT WERE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROPERTY AND ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THE DAY BEFORE THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED AND THE DAY IT WAS ADOPTED, THAT OPTION WAS REMOVED BECAUSE CENTRAL SEWER BECAME MANDATORY. SO, AT THE TIME THE LAND USE WENT INTO PLACE THIS PROPERTY COULD HAVE DEVELOPED AT TWO UNITS PER ACRE WITHOUT CENTRAL SEWER. >> SAY THAT LAST SENTENCE AGAIN. >> SO, IF THE COUNTY HAD NOT ADOPTED THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. >> RIGHT. >> THIS PROPERTY WAS LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE SINCE 1992, THE FIRST COMP PLAN. PRIOR TO LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN THIS PROPERTY HAS POINTS. I'LL SHOW YOU ON A SLIDE. IT'S CLOSE TO SERVICES. YOU CAN WALK TO THE FIRE STATION. YOU CAN WALK TO THE SCHOOL. IT HAS 90 POINTS AND IT WOULD BY RIGHT BE ABLE TO DEVELOP TWO UNITS PER ACHOR. WITHOUT SEWER. >> WITHOUT SEWER THAT THE WAS IN PLACE THE DAY BEFORE LAKE ASBURY ADOPTED AND THE DAY AFTER LAKE ASBURY WAS ADOPTED IT WAS NO LONGER PERMITTED. THEY WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF ONE UNIT PER ACRE AND REQUIRED TO HAVE CENTRAL SEWER. AND SO, THERE WAS NO MINIMUM DENSITY RURAL FRINGE PRIOR TO THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. LOTS COULD BE LARGE AS DESIRED. PRIOR TO 2006, A REZONING OF THE CAMP PROPERTY WOULD HAVE EITHER [00:30:03] BEEN GRAND AR-1 ZONING OR RB ZONING. ALL THE PROPERTY SURROUNDING THIS CAMP IS CURRENTLY ZONED AR-1 AND RB. SO EVERY INDIVIDUAL WHO LIVES AROUND THIS PROPERTY HAS THAT ZONING. THEY MAY BUILD RB IN RURAL FRINGE AT ONE HALF ACRE MINIMUM, 60 BY 100-FOOT LOTS. IN AR-1 RURAL FRINGE THEY MAY DEVELOP AT ONE ACRE MINIMUM, 100 BY 100-FOOT MINIMUM. SO, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE OFFERING A MUCH LESS DENSE PROPERTY OR DEVELOPMENT THAT WILL BE ALLOWED UNDER THE ZONING THAT SURROUNDS US IN THE SAME LAND USE THAT WE HAVE. SO, OUR LOTS IN THE PUD THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER ARE A MINIMUM OF 100 FEET IN WIDTH, 54 OF THOSE LOTS ARE ONE HALF ACHOR IN AREA AND THE BALANCE GREATER THAN ONE ACRE AND WE HAVE LOTS AT 7 ACRES A ACRES 2 AND A HALF ACRES. THE DENSITY IN THE PUD YOU'LL CONSIDER IS 0.74 UNITS PER ACRE. SO, WHERE ARE YOU? CAN YOU GO BACK? THERE YOU GO. OKAY. POINTS AND DENSITY THE POINTS SYSTEM AND THE DENSITIES THAT APPLY TO THE PROPERTY BEFORE LAKE ASBURY STILL APPLY TO RURAL FRINGE OUTSIDE LAKE ASBURY SO IF YOU'RE OUTSIDE LAKE ASBURY THE POINTS SYSTEM IS STILL IN PLACE AND IT APPLIES. NEXT ONE. SO THESE ARE THE POINTS -- SORRY. SO, WE WALK TO THE FIRE STATION. IT HAS THE MS. WE HAVE PAVED ACCESS TO A COLLECTOR. WE'VE GOT CENTRAL WATER. AND WE ARE RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM ELEMENTARY AND JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, SO WE HAVE THE POINTS, AND THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT BEEN INFRASTRUCTURE WAS THERE BEFORE 2006 AND IT'S STILL THERE SO THESE POINTS ARE THE SAME THAT WOULD HAVE APPLIED HAD WE HAD THE FORESIGHT TO DO THE ZONING IN TWIKS BEFORE LAKE ASBURY WE WOULD HAVE THIS ZONING IN PLACE. NEXT SLIDE. THANK YOU. SO, WITH THE COUNTY DID THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WHY DID IT KEEP THE NAME LAKE ASBURY OR LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE? THIS IS A DESCRIPTION FOR RURAL FRINGE THIS DESTINATION IS PRESENTLY CONTAINED IN THE COUNTY COMP PLAN AND THERE ARE 6890 ACHERS IN LAMP THAT WERE RURG FRINGE ON THE LAND USE MAP AND SO REMAIN THIS ON THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THERE'S A PIECE BEEN KENNY FARMS. THIS WAS DONE AS A COMMITMENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT NO ONE WOULD LOSE EXISTING ALLOWABLE DENSITIES UNDER THE MASTER PLAN. THAT'S WHAT IT ASSESSMENT THESE LANDS ARE ACCESSIBLE TO EXISTING URBAN SERVICE AREAS AN CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER SERVICES ARE REQUIRED. DENSITY SHOWING A MAXIMUM OF THREE AND MINIMUM OF ONE SO WHEN IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2006 MANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT BURT HARRIS IS. THE COUNTY STROVE HARD TO RETAIN THE RIGHTS THAT PEOPLE EVERYONE IN LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE HAD BEFORE THE MASTER PLAN AND THAT WAS ITS INTENT. ITS INTENT WAS TO SAY YOU HAD THIS BEFORE AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS AWAY FROM YOU. BUT IT DID CHANGE DEVELOPMENT. THE ADOPTION OF THE MASTER PLAN SAID YOU'RE GOING TO MEET DESIGN STANDARDS. PARK LAND, ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES, A FEE THAT THEY PAY THAT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND THEY HAVE TO USE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY MPC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SO IT'S PFIZER BUT IT'S MORE. ALL DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE SERVED BY WATER AND SEWER WHICH INADVERTANTLY I BELIEVE ELIMINATED ALL AUPGTSZ FOR ON SITE WELLS. I BELIEVE IT'S AN INA VETERINARIAN CHANGE AN ESTABLISHED THAT MINIMUM DENSITY SO PRIOR TO 2006 YOU COULD HAVE A 5 ACRE LOT IF YOU WANTED BUT NOW YOU CANNOT SO ANYBODY SEEKING DENSITY GREATER THAN ONE UNIT PER ACRE IS OR LESS THAN COULD NOT GET A PERMIT. THE COUNTY WOULD NOT ISSUE APPROVAL FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. SO TEAM EFFORT DOESN'T DESIRE TO EXTEND CENTRAL SEWER TO THE PROPERTY. IT WOULD BRING SEWER INTO AN AREA THAT DOES NOT EVER SEWER TODAY. THEY ALL HAVE ADEQUATELY OPERATING SEPTIC TANKS TODAY SO THERE'S NO DEMAND BY THE HEALTH [00:35:01] DEPARTMENT TO BRING SEWER AND CORRECT THE PROBLEM BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM AND TEAM EFFORT WANTS TO DEVELOP LESS THAN A HUNDRED SINGLE FAMILY LOTS BUT UNLESS AMENDED A HUNDRED ACHE CERTIFICATES A HUNDRED MINIMUM. THAT'S WHAT THE RULE SAYS TODAY. SO, TEAM EFFORT WANTS TO RESPECT THE UNIQUE CHARACTER OF THE LAKE AREA AND PROPOSES LESS DEVELOPMENT THAN REQUIRED UNDER THE CURRENT RURAL FRINGE CATEGORY SO THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT NOT BE TRANSMITTED BECAUSE THEY ALLOW EXPAND UTILIZATION OF ON SITE SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN AREAS WITHIN LAKE ASBURY AND THERE WILL BE A REDUCTION IN PARK LAND. I HAVE TO TELL YOU OUR SITE PLAN MEETS THE LAKE ASBURY RECREATION STANDARDS FOR 74 LOTS. THAT WAS TRUCED REALLY NOT FOR US BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ACRE LOTS BUT IF SOME ONE HAD A OR 6 ACRE LOTS THEY EVER TO PROVIDE A HUNDRED SQUARE FEET PER UNIAT THIS TIME MINIMUM PRIMARY PARK SIZE 20,000 SQUARE FOOT AND MAIN NEIGHBORHOOD PARK 7500 CUELLAR FEET SO YOU DO A SUBVISION WITH FOUR 5 ACRE LOTS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE A PRIMARY PARK AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARK. IT'S ALL OR NOTHING BECAUSE LAKE ASBURY WAS WRITTEN FOR WHAT YOU SEE ON THE EAST SIDE OF HENLEY. 50 BY 120 SEWER, ALL THE MONEY THAT IT COST TO ROADS SIDEWALKS STREETS TREES PARKS ALL THAT IS WHY YOUR LOTS ARE SO SMALL AND ALL I HEAR IS HOW DO WE STOP THE SMALL LOTS. YOUR CODE ALLOWS NOTHING ELSE. YOU'RE GETTING WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR. YOUR CODE SAYS THIS AND NOTHING ELSE. SO, THE COUNTY DEFINES WHAT CENTRAL SEWER IS. THE FLORIDA STATUTE DEFINES IT AND SO DOES THE COUNTY. THEY ALLOW SEPTIC TANKS EVERYWHERE IN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA, IS UP IN LAKE ASBURY AND BRANDONFIELD. AND I WOULD SAY TO DATE IT HASN'T BEEN A CONCERN. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A RUSH OF PEOPLE WANTING BIG LOTS THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THE PROBLEM. THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE THE RUSH FOR THE SMALL LOTS. SO, IN URBAN CORE, IN RURAL FRINGE OUTSIDE THESE MASTER PLANS, IN URBAN FRINGE, YOU CAN HAVE A SEPTIC TANK IF YOU'RE A MILE AWAY FROM SEWER BECAUSE THAT'S INCIDENTAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT PAT AMERICAN THE COUNTY AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A THREAT TO THE LAKE ASBURY. THIS IS THE POLICY IN LAKE ASBURY THAT SAYS ALL NON-RESIDENTIAL MULTI-FAMILY AND PLATTED SUBDIVISION DEVELOPMENTS HAVE TO HAVE CENTRAL SEWER AND POTTEDABLE WATER, NO EXCEPTION SO AS MOST OF YOU A PLATTED SUBDIVISION IS A VISION OF LAND INTO TWO OR MORE LOTS SO THIRD LOT IS A SUBDIVISION SO IF MR. JONES LIVES IN RURAL FRINGE AND IS 84 AND NEEDS NURSING HOME MONEY AND WANTS TO DIVIDE HIS PROPERTY FIRST OF ALL 15 ACRES CAN'T HAVE LESS THAN 15 LOTS AND IF HE DOESN'T HAVE SEWER HE CAN'T DO IT. HE CANNOT SELL THAT LAND EVEN IF IT'S A MILE AWAY FROM SERVICES AND EVEN IF THE LOTS ARE SUITABLE FOR SEPTIC. SO THIS APPLIES TO EVERYBODY. IT DOESN'T JUST APPLY TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IN NOVEMBER. SO, THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND THE FLORIDA STATUTE DEFINE WHAT AVAILABLE IS. IT'S REPLICATED IN THE CLAY COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. QUARTER MILE IS SOMETHING THE FLORIDA STATUTE HAS ESTABLISHED BY THE DISTANCE BY WHICH IT'S REASONABLE TO EXTEND WEATHER IS. WHEN THE STATUTE ALSO PROVIDES THE MAXIMUM DENSITIES IS 4 UNITS PER ACRE WITH WATER. THE PROBLEM WITH SEPTIC TANKS ARE NOT SO MUCH SEPTIC TANKS. YOU HAVE GOOD SOILS. IT'S IF YOU'RE CLOSE TO A WELL YOU MIGHT CONTAMINATE THE DRINKING WATER N. THIS AREA THERE'S CENTRAL WATER SO THERE ARE NO WELLS TO CONTAMINATE SO THE STATUTE ALLOWS FOUR UNITS PER ACRE AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULD ISSUE A PERMIT FOR SUITABLE SOILS UP TO 4 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD ALLOW US TO DO LESS THAN YOU ARE SEEING NOW, LESS THAN YOU TELL US THAT YOU DON'T LIKE. IT WOULD ALLOW LESS DENSITY THAN [00:40:04] ONE UNIT PER ACRE AND IF YOU COULD GO TO THE LAST SLIDE IT WOULD ALLOW THIS ONE HALF ACHE WEATHER CENTRAL WATER AND ON SITE SEWER AND LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE SO IN ESSENCE ALLOW THIS LESS DENSE DEVELOPMENT AND SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHERE SEWER IS AVAILABLE AND THAT IT'S APPLYING TO EVERYBODY IN LAKE ASBURY I HAVE A COUPLE OF MAPS. SO WITH YOU DECIDE THAT SEPTIC TANKS ARE JUST NOT REASONABLE TO ALLOW, THERE IS A MAP GENERATED BY THE CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY AND IT SHOWS THE LIMITS OF SEWER CENTRAL SEWER IN LAKE ASBURY TODAY. AND SO, WHEREVER YOU DON'T SEE A GREEN LINE OR A YELLOW LINE THERE ISN'T ANY SEWER. SO WITH I LOOK AT THAT MAP THE BIG BLOCK BOX IS THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN, THERE'S A LOT OF LAND THAT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO CENTRAL SEWER SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, GOSH I HOPE YOU DON'T NEED TO SELL YOUR LAND, EVEN IF YOU WANT A BIG LOT WHICH WE WON'T LET YOU HAVE BECAUSE IT'S NOT VERY CLOSE AND UNLESS YOU'RE DOING A 500 UNIT SUBDIVISION YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO EXTEND THE SEWER. SO, THIS POLICY PRETTY MUCH PRESENT CLUES, WHAT I SAY AS INCIDENTAL, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PROVIDE A LOT OR TWO LOTS TWO THEY NEED TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY TOO ARE IN FINANCIAL STRAITS AN THE COUNTY HAS ALWAYS RECOGNIZED THAT AS A POTENTIAL. SO WE THINK THAT THAT IS NOT A BAD POLICY. SO, THAT POLICY, IF YOU PUT UP THE LAST ONE. THERE YOU GO. SO LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE IS ALL THE LIGHT KIND OF GOLDEN BROWN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MAP, SO THAT BOUNDARY YOU SEE HERE IS THE BOUNDARY OF THE MASTER PLAN. SO, THE SEPTIC PANNING PROHIBITION APPLIES TO THE DARK BROWN, IT APPLIES TO LIGHT BROWN, IT APPLIES TO THE PURPLE. SO, ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THERE WHO AREN'T HERE TONIGHT YOU'RE SAYING SEPTIC TANKS ARE NOT FOR YOU. SO, WE REALLY DO -- I HAVE A SITE PLAN FOR THE PUD WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT NEXT MONTH BUT I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO MUDDY THE WATER BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS A POLICY DECISION. I THINK YOU'RE MAKING POLICY DECISION THAT BY GOLLY, SEPTIC TANKS ARE JUST FORBIDDEN AND THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO SEE AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE REPRESENTATION ABOUT THE RURAL USE LAND COMMUNITY WAS A LITTLE OFF. THE DENSITY IS ONE UNIT PER TWO ACRES. IT'S NOT A TWO ACRE LOT. IN ORDER TO GET TO ONE UNIT PER TWO ACRES YOU MUST CREATE 40 PERCENT OPEN SPACE. IT'S A BONUS PROGRAM. SO RURAL COMMUNITY ALLOWS ONE UNITS PER 5 ACRES AND IF YOU SET ASIDE 40 PERCENT OF YOUR PROPERTIES IN OPEN SPACE YOU ARE IN THE BONUS PROGRAM. IF YOU'RE IN A SUBDIVISION, THE LOT SIZES ARE 6,000 SQUARE FEET WITH A SEPTIC TANK SO IT'S TWO UNITS PER ACRE. YOU'RE RIGHT. 100 ACRES I COULD HAVE 50 LOTS BUT THEY COULD BE SMALLER THAN HALF ACRE BECAUSE IF IT'S 40 PERCENT OPEN SPACE CLUSTERED NO MORE THAN TWO UNITS PER ACHE STORE PICTURE YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEAD OF TWO ACRE LOTS SPREAD OUT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED MANY I AM FORCED TO CLUSTER AND HAVE 40 PERCENT OPEN SPACE IF I'M IN RURAL COMMUNITIES. SO THE COUNTY WHETHER WE DID LAKE ASBURY AND THE COMP PLAN IT'S A THOUSAND MOVING PIECES AND I TRULY BELIEVE THIS IS AN INADVERTENT PROHIBITION. IT REALLY THOUGHT THE SEPTIC THE SEWER IS THERE BUT IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT. AND SO, AND IT WILL NOT COVER THERE LAND AREA FOR A LONG TIME TO COME. SO YOU'RE ASKING INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE NOT DEVELOPERS TO JUST HANG ON UNTIL IT GETS THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BIG ENOUGH TO EXTEND IT BUT THEY MIGHT HAVE FINANCIAL NEEDS. [00:45:03] AND MANY PEOPLES INVESTMENT AN RETIREMENT IS THE PROPERTY THEY LIVE ON. SO, WE ARE ASKING YOU THIS EVENING IF YOU WILL CONSIDER THIS POLICY LEVEL DECISION, WHICH SAYS THAT SEPTIC TANKS ARE PROBABLY APPROPRIATE IN LAKE ASBURY UNTIL THE SEWER STOPS LOOKING LIKE A LITTLE PIECE AFTER DONUT AND IS MORE AVAILABLE. I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE BY ASKING INTRODUCE HIMSELF. HE WOULD - CAN YOU ASK ME QUESTIONS IF YOU LIKE. HE LIVES IN CLAY COUNTY. HE OPERATES THE CAMP. HE MANAGES YOUTH PROGRAMS. >> I SHOULD HAVE GONE AROUND. IA, I'M JUST TALKING WITH THE LAND OWNER. MR. JONES CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? >> I'M DOUG JONES TEAM EFFORT 839 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT THE STUFF SUSAN SEDIMENT THE REASON WE AS LAND OWNERS AND WE OPERATE A CAMP AND OTHER CAMPS AROUND THE COUNTRY IS IT WAS NEVER A BUSINESS PLAN TO BUY AN SELL PROPERTY AT CLAY COUNTY BUT IT'S OUR PLAN TO SAVE A BUSINESS BY SELLING AN ASSET. I WOULD SAY THAT JUST FOR THE GOOD WILL OF IT FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH ALTHOUGH WE DO IT VERY QUIETLY TEAM EFFORT HAS REBUILT HOMES LOST IN THE STORM FOR OLD LADIES REPLACED HOME FOR FOLKS LOST IN STORM NO COST TO THEM, THEY DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK IN THE COMMUNIY. WE DO IT QUIETLY. MAYBE THAT'S A MISTAKE. BUT THAT'S BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE OF COVID I CAN IDENTIFY WITH BUSINESS OWNERS ORGANIZATIONS CHURCHES CAMPS IT'S A FINANCIAL HIT THIS ASSET COULD CURE AND SET US UP IF WE CAN DO THIS TO WEATHER THAT KIND OF STORM IN THE FUTURE. IT IS SINCERELY OUR GOAL AS AN ORGANIZATION NOT TO JUST SELL THIS PROPERTY, RELOCATE OUR CAMP. WE OPERATED SOMEWHERE ELSE UNTIL 10 YEARS AGO. IT'S NOT OUR GOAL TO SELL TO DEVELOPMENTER. IT'S OUR GOAL TO KEEP THE CAMP THERE AND BY SELLING THE 78 ACRES AND KEEPING THE 22 ACRES AND I THINK SUSAN WOULD WORK NOT A WEIRD CUSTOMER BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A DEVELOPER. HOW DO WE BLEND INTO LAKE ASBURY RESPECT THE COMMUNITY AND DO SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY AN THAT'S WHAT THIS PROPOSAL AN PROPOSALS NEXT MONTH IF WE GET THAT POINT UNDERSTAND BUT THAT'S WHAT TRIGGERED THIS TALKING ABOUT THE SEPTIC TANKS AN SUCH THE PARKS I DON'T WANT TO TALK OUT OF TURN IT WOULD NEVER BE OUR INTENTION TO HAVE FEWER PARKS BUT MORE BUT THAT'S AN EASY THING TO CURE SO THE QUESTION IS PART OF THE SEPTIC TANKS DRIVES OUR DECISION CAN WE SELL PART OF THE CAMP COME UP WITH A PUD SO WHEN WE SELL TO THAT DEVELOPER IT DICTATES TO THE DEVELOPER WHAT THEY CAN DO AS OPPOSED TO DOING ANYTHING AND OUR GOAL IN THAT IS SAVE THE CAMP AND HAVE SOMETHING THAT MATCHES THE COMMUNITY. AS JUST A LAND OWNER I'LL LOOK AT IT MORE SIMPLY AND REALLY SINCERELY TRYING TO RESPECT THE COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT TO BAT FOR THAT BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT SEPTIC THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO DO THIS. BUT IT IS 70 HOMES. IF WE KEEP THE CAMP IT'S ONLY 50-SOMETHING HOMES IF WE CAN ABLE TO SAVE THE CAMP WITH SEPTIC IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NEARLY A THOUSAND HOMES THAT'S ALL SEPTIC, MY NEIGHBOR JUST DIVIDED HIS LOT WITH SEPTIC SO WE ARE THINKING IT'S A NO BRAINER STUFF THAT SUSAN KNOWS AND WE DON'T SO I WOULD SAY SINCERELY WE ARE TRYING TO DO A DEVELOPMENT THAT MATCHES THE COMMUNITY AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM. >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR APPLICANT? >> I'VE GOT ONE QUESTION. DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY? SUSAN WAS TALKING ABOUT WHOLE HUNDRED ACRES MANY YOU'RE TALKING 70 ACHEERS? >> OUR HOPE AND OUR PRAYER ON THIS IS THAT WE CAN SELL 78 ACRES. THE PUD YOU'LL SEE SHOWS THAT 78 CARVED OUT BUT IT KEEPS THE CAMP AT 22 ACRES THAT'S OUR HOPE SO THE 70 ACRES WE DEVELOP WE HOPE THE CAMP CAN PAIN TAKEN. >> SO THE PORTION YOU KEEP YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP UNDER PS? >> YES. NO. [00:50:01] [LAUGHTER]. >> WE WILL KEEP IT AS A CAMP OPERATED ON DIFFERENT ZONING BUT STILL A CAMP. >> IT WOULD BE A CAMP UNDER THE PUD. IF IT'S ADOPTED THAT WAY. >> I'M JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION BECAUSE SUSAN IS TALKING A HUNDRED ACRES, YOU'RE TALKING 70 ACRES WHO IS UP FIRST? >> THE APPLICATION IS FOR HUNDRED ACRE PUD. WITHIN THAT PUD A PORTION OF USE IS YOUTH CAMP AND THE BALANCE OF THE YOUTH WOULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON IT SO IT'S NOT TWO SEPARATE ZONING. IT'S ALLOWED TWO USES UNDER THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED. >> OKAY. SO THIS ISN'T GOING TO PUT YOUR TAX-FREE STATUS IN JEOPARDY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT COMING OUT AND GOING UNDER A PUD? >> WE UNDERSTAND NOT. WE UNDERSTAND NOT. IF THAT HAPPENS THEN YES WE DO JUST SELL THE WHOLE HUNDRED ACRES. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO AVOID. >> AUDIENCE IS GOING TO GET A CHANCE LATER ON. >> WE MAY FIND OUT IF THIS HAPPENS THE CAMP CAN'T OPERATE LIKE THAT AND THAT FORCES OUR HAND. AS A GOAL AS LAND OWNER, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE THE 78 ACRES DEVELOPED IN A WAY THAT REFLECTS THE NEIGHBERHOOD AND KEEP THE CAMP ON THE 22 ACRES. THAT'S WHAT WE ARE MOVING TOWARD AND HOPING FOR. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE MAY HAVE YOU UP AT THE END. >> YES, SIR. >> TO ANSWER SOME BUT IF THERE'S PNO MORE QUESTINS UP HERE I WANT TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I HAVE QUITE A FEW CARDS HERE. WE ALLOW 3 MINUTES PER PUBLIC COMMENT. I TRY TO BE A LITTLE BIT FLEXIBLE BUT WE DO HAVE QUITE A FEW SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE TO GO THROUGH THESE. THERE IS A LIGHT ON THE PODIUM. WHEN IT TURNS RED YOUR TIME IS UP. IF YOU'RE NOT FINISHED, PLEASE FINISH QUICKLY. WE WILL START WITH KAYE MANLEY AND AFTER KAYE WOULD BE LINDA MCMULLEN BOYCE NEXT. >> READY? >> WE ARE READY, NAME AN A DRESS. >> I'M KAYE MANLEY. I LIVE AT 420 WESLEY ROAD IN LAKE ASBURY. I WANT TO SAY I'M A 35 PLUS YEAR LONG RESIDENT AT CLAY COUNTY AND LAKE ASBURY. BUT I STILL CONSIDER MYSELF NEW. WE HAVE AN AWFUL LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE LIVED HERE MUCH LONGER THAN MYSELF. AND I CAME TO CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE. IN THE 1970S AND 80S I CAME HERE AND FOUND THE CATTLE. I'M FROM SOUTH TEXAS SO I FELT LIKE I WAS AT HOME BUT I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT LAKE LASHING. LET ME REMIND WHAT YOU LAKE LASHING MEANS. LAKE LASHING, LAKE ASBURY RECREATIONAL CENTER. THAT'S THE HEART OF OUR LAKE ASBURY COMMUNITY. THAT'S THE CHURCH CAMP AS WE CALL IT. SO, LET'S LOOK AT THE MAP. I'VE GIVEN Y'ALL A MAP. I DREW A MAN AND I TOOK IT HOME AND GOT MY SHARPYS OUT AND I COLOR CODED IT FOR YOU. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER WHEN EVERYBODY IS TALKING IF YOU HAD SOMETHING YOU COULD FOLLOW. LAKE LASHING IS ON THIS SIDE OF THE MAP AND IT HAS A SINGLE ENTRANCE ON LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. THIS IS LAKE ASBURY. THIS TOP LAKE. THAT'S OUR LARGER LAKE. AND THEN WE HAVE LAKE RYAN OVER HERE TO THE SIDE RIGHT ABOVE LAKE LARK. AND WE HAVE OUR SOUTH LAKE. WE HAVE THE LAKE LOTS IN BLEW BUT OUR RANCHETTEZ SURROUND THIS AREA SO WE HAVE ABOUT 850 HOMEOWNERS. WE HAVE FIVE ENTRANCES OFF HENLEY ROAD. THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO LAKE LARK IS LAKE ASBURY SO YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE OF THOSE A ENTRANCES TO COME IN. MOST OF THOSE ENTRANCES YOU'RE GOING TO CROSS A DAM. THIS IS OUR SOUTH DAM. THIS IS OUR BRIDGE THAT ABUTS BLACK CREEK AND OUR NORTH PLAYING. AS MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY COME UP AND SPEAK ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF THERE PROPOSAL, THIS PUD, USE THE MAP. IT MIGHT HELP YOU SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE THERE BUT TONIGHT OUR COMMUNITY WILL BE COMING TO YOU TO SHARE THE VISION, THE VISION THAT OUR DEVELOPERS HAD WHEN OUR LAKE ASBURY COMMUNITY BEGAN INCLUDING LAKE LARK, THE DAMS AN HOW THE CONSTRUCTION CREWS WILL REACH THE SITE THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY HOW THE CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY [00:55:01] ABUTS THE CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AND THE PROPERTY THAT PRODUCES OUR WATER. HOW THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT LOOKS LIKE LIKE LAKE ASBURY, HOW THEY PROPOSE 74 LOTS BUT ONLY 10 ARE LARGER THAN HALF ACRE AND HOW THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT INPACTS WALL QUALITY AFFECTS ALL OUR LAKES WITH THE USE OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS, WATER QUALITY, I WANT TO REPEAT THAT'S OUR CONCERN. SO LAKE HAS BERRY WITH OUR SEPTIC TANKS HAVING A WATER QUALITY ISSUE AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE -- I'M RUNNING OUT OF TIME. THE CONSULTANT IS HERE TO ASK FOR VARIATION TO THE RULE OF FRINGE DEVELOPMENT AND THE LIMITATIONS TO ALLOW MORE SEPTIC TANKS AND AFFECT OUR QUALITY. I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE VOTE NO. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. LINDA MCMULLEN BOYCE. >> I'M A BIT TALL. I'M LINDA MCMULLEN BOYCE. I LIVE ON CANNED HER COURT ON LAKE ASBURY. I WASN'T PLANNING ON TALKING BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I WANT YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER NOT GOING ALONG WITH THIS PLAN. I'M SOAR FOYER THE FINANCIAL SITUATION THAT TEAM EFFORT HAS FOUND THEMSELVES IN BUT I DON'T BELIEVER WE ALL AS A COMMUNITY SHOULD BE AFFECTED BY OR CHANGE OUR PLAN JUST BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S IN A FINANCIAL SITUATION. IT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED AS A CAMP. IT IS OUR PARK LAND. DO LIVE ON THE LAKE. I DO KNOW THAT THE WATER QUALITY OF OUR LAKE IS GOING DOWN EVEN BECAUSE OF HENLEY. WE ARE USED AS A DUMPING GROUND FOR THEIR WATER. THIS WOULD JUST ADD TO IT. EVEN WAIVER THE PROPOSAL THEY HAVE, IT IS WHAT IT IS FOR INTENDED WHEN LAKE ASBURY IN 2006 THAT IT WAS READ THAT WAY. SO I JUST ASK REALLY THAT YOU LISTEN TO WHAT WE HAVE TO SAY AND WE JUST LIKE OUR COMMUNITY. LIKE SHE SAID OUR DAMS ARE NOT IN GREAT SHAPE. WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING THOSE. BUT IT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LAKE LOT OWNERS TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE DAMS AND THE TRAFFIC THAT WOULD GO UP AND DOWN WHETHER IT'S CONSTRUCTION WHETHER IT'S ADDITIONAL HOUSES WOULD NOT BE IN ANY WAY GOOD FOR THE DAMS SO YOU'RE ENDANGERING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AROUND THE LAKE AS WELL SO TAKE CONSIDERATION TO HELP AND THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT THERE. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. KEITH BOYCE. AND AFTER KEITH WILL BE KEN KEIFER. >> MY NAME IS KEITH BOYCE. I LIVE AT 266 CANNED HER COURT. I'VE BEEN AN LAKE ASBURY RESIDENT SINCE 1996. I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO SUSAN FRAZIER ABOUT THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. NO ONE HAS TALK ABOUT THE WALL QUALITY ON LAKE ASBURY. BEING OUT THERE AS LONG AS I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, I'VE SEEN THE WATER DETERIORATE BASICALLY WHEN WE GOT HENLEY WE ARE BEING USED AS THE WATERSHED MORE SO FOR HENLEY SEEING THE GROWTH THAT WE ARE REALLY SEEING NOW IS COME FROM A LOT OF THE NITRATES THAT ARE BEING PUMPED IN THE LAKE. THE OTHER, AS I WAS LOOKING AT THEIR PLAN, THEY SAID THAT THEY HAD A RETENTION POND TO HELP CATCH A LOOT OF THIS STUFF BUT THE RETENTION PODS WORK FOR SETTLEMENT NOT FOR THE PHOSPHORUS IN THE OIL AND THE NITRATES AN STUFF THAT COME THROUGH THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS MANY SO NONE OF OUR FAMILY LIKE SWIMMING IN A LAKE THAT'S FULL OF ALGAE, THE WATER IS DINGY. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THE WATER QUALITY THAT THESE PEOPLE ENJOY AND NOT TAKE A CHANCE ON RUINING IT AN DETERIORATING IT ANYMORE. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. KEN KEEVER. AFTER KEN WILL BE BECKY KEIFER. >> HELLO, MY NAME IS KEN KEEVER [01:00:03] [ADDRESS]. WE WERE PRESENTED WITH A VERY VALUABLE PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE METHODIST CHURCH IN 1982 FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA AND I WANT TO READ A COUPLE PAGES FROM. THIS IT'S A MASTER PLAN REPORT PREPARED FOR THE 40 UNITED METHODIST CONFERENCE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA IN ALL OF 1982. GEOLOGICAL GROUND WATER. GEOLOGICAL ON THE LAKE LARK SITE HAS A DISTINCTION OF CONTAINING SMALL SPRINGS AND SAND BOILS. SAND BOILS ARE SMALL SPRINGS WHICH OCCUR WHEN SURFACE WATER FINDS AN ONNING IN THE ROCK STRATA AND FLOWS UPWARD IN RAINY SEASON WHEN THE RAIN FALLS THE BOILS APPEAR CHARACTERIZED BY SMALL POOLS OF WATER SIX INCHES IN DIAMETER EDGED WITH SAND. THE WATER FLOWS FROM ONE OF THE THREE AQUIFERS IN THE AREA. THESE ARE THE LAND -- THESE ARE FROM THE LAND SURFACE DOWNWARD UNTIL YOU HAVE THE UNCONFINED WATER TABLE AQUIFER, THE CONFINED SECONDARY ARTESIAN AQUIFER AND THE CONFINED FLORIDA AQUIFER. THE WATER TABLE AQUIFER CONSISTS CHIEFLY OF SAND AND CLAY OF . . . RECENT CONTAGIOUS THAT CONTAIN WATER IN MOST OF THE WATER TABLE CONDITIONS. IT'S USUALLY TEN FEET OR LESS UNDER. UNDERLYING THE AQUIFER ARE SECONDARY ARTESIAN AQUIFER IN THE HAWTHORN FORMATION . . . THE LIMESTONE LAYERS RANGE IN THICKNESS FROM A FEW INCHES TO AS MUCH AS SIX FOOT. THESE LAYERS ARE POROUS AND READILY RELEASE WATER TO THE SURFACE. DIGGING IN THESE SITES HAVE REVEALED LIMESTONE ROCK WITH UNDER THE OPENINGS OF 2-3 INCHES IN DIAMETER. THE FLORIDA AQUIFERS WHICH UNDERLIES THE OTHER OTHER AQUIFERS CONSISTS OF SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE OF EMBEDDED SOFT POROUS LIMESTONE HARD LIMESTONE AND DOLOMITE. THE SPRINGS WHICH EXIST ON LAKE LARK ARE DUE TO ARTESIAN CONDITIONS. IN ORDER FOR THESE CONDITIONS TO EXIST AN AQUIFER MUST BE OVERLAID BY A POSITIVE CONFINING BED AND RECEIVE A SUPPLY OF WATER WHICH HAS A FREE SURFACE THAT STANDS AT A HIGHER LEVEL. THIS FREE SURFACE IS CALLED THE PIEZOMATIC SURFACE. LAKE LARK HAS A GROUND LEVEL . . . WELL BELOW THE . . . SURFACE. COUPLED WITH THE WATER WHICH FLUCTUATES IN THE RAINY SEASON THERE RESULTS IN AND BOILS AND INTERMITTENT STREAMS THE AREA MOST AFFECTED BY THE PHENOMENON IS LOCATED NEAR THE SOUTHWESTERN CORNER OF THE HUNDRED ACHEERS >> CAN I ASK YOU TO WRAP IT UP? >> YES, SIR AND EXTENDS NORTH WARD TO THE EDGE OF THE LAKE NOW THE DRAINAGE OFF THE SITE GENERALLY RUNS FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST INTO THE LAKE. SPRING WATER FROM THE LAKES FLOW PRIMARILY FROM A CENTRAL SPRING. THERE'S A CENTRAL SPRING IN THE CENTER OF THIS 100 ACRES WHICH FLOWS INTO A RAVINE TO THE RIGHT OF LAKE LARK, WHICH FLOWS INTO LAKE LARK. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> BECKY KEIFER, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING. BECKY KEIFER [ADDRESS]. >> THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WAS NOT DESIGNED TO INCLUDE NEW SEPTIC TANKS. UTILITIES ARE NOTHING BEING BUILT ON THE SEPTIC TANK SYSTEM OF ANY TYPE TODAY. IN FACT, I READ AN ARTICLE IN CLAY INFORMED THAT RECENTLY SAID THE SEPTIC TO WEATHER IS PROGRAM IS HELPING THE DOCTOR LAKE HOMEOWNERS ELIMINATE SEPTIC TO CONVERT TO COUNTY SEWER. IT IS SUCH A SERIOUS PROBLEM THAT IN JUNE, 2010 GOVERNOR DESANTIS SIGNED A SENATE BILL 712 THE CLEAN WATERWAYS ACT WHICH IS WHERE THE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT STEMS FROM. LAKE LARK WILL DRAIN DIRECTLY TO LAKE ASBURY FURTHER INCREASING OUR LAKE EXPOSURE TO POSSIBLE FAILURE OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS. LAKE ASBURY IS ALREADY HAVING [01:05:05] WATER QUALITY ISSUES WITH OUR SEPTIC SYSTEMS THE RUNOFF FROM HENLEY AND NOW THIS REQUEST OF NEW PROJECT WHICH WILL ONLY INCREASE A BAD SITUATION. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY GIVEN TO YOU BY KAYE THE LAKE LARK RUNS INTO LAKE ASBURY WHICH DUMPS INTO BLACK CREEK AND WILL FLOW INTO ST. JOHN'S RIVER. IT'S CLEARLY A PROTECTED WATERWAY DEEMED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHICH THIS REQUEST OF NEW GEM WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SEDIMENT INCLUDING GAS AND OIL FROM HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WILL FLOW DIRECTLY INTO THE NORTH ASBURY FINGER CLOGGING WATERWAYS DECREASING THE DEPTH OF THE FINGER AND AS CONCERNED DAY THEY ARE WILL HIM AT THIS TIME ACCESS TO THE LAKE DECREASE PROPERTY VALUES WITH LAKE LARK BEING LAND LOCKED IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ALREADY EXISTING COMMUNITY, YOUR DECISION TONIGHT AS A BOARD WILL GREATLY IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY AT LAKE ASBURY. I AM REQUESTING A VOTE NO TONIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MR. MR. RONNIE ROBINSON. >> GETTING YOUNGER. I WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS RONNIE ROBINSON. I WILL HAVE A 464 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. I GAVE Y'ALL AN ORIGINAL BROCHURE OF LAKE ASBURY WHEN IT WAS DEVELOPED IF Y'ALL COULD LOOK AT PAGE 4 THERE'S A SMALL PRINT IN THERE THAT SHOWS THAT THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR A RETREAT. THAT WAS ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS WHEN PEOPLE BOUGHT DOWN THERE IN 1967. >> MR. ROBINSON I'M JUST GUNPOINT TO INTERRUPT YOU FOR A MINUTE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE HAND OUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. DO WE? >> NO, THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THEM. THAT'S ON PAGE 2 WHEN IT WAS SOLD. THERE'S A BROCHURE. IT WAS BACK DOWN HERE EARLIER I THINK. THAT'S IT. PAGE 4 THAT -- OF THAT. >> KELLY WOULD YOU START HIS TIME OVER? THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, MR. ROBINSON. >> OKAY. IN 1967 IF YOU WILL NOTICE ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS ON PAGE 4 WAS THAT LAKE ASBURY DEVELOPMENT COMPANY PLANNED ON GIVING A PORTION OF LAKE ASBURY TO THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA DISTRICT OF THE METHODIST CHURCH, WHICH MEANT NO MORE RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS. THIS ACTUALLY TOOK PLACE IN 1974, 7 YEARS LATER, WITH RESIDENTS WELCOMEING THE TRANSITION. NOVEMBER 29, 1967 ALL LAKE ASBURY LOT OWNERS RECEIVED A LETTER FROM LAKE ASBURY DEVELOPMENT COMPANY TELLING THEM STARTING DECEMBER 4, 1967 THE LAKE WOULD BE LOWERED ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING FOR POSSIBLY A SECOND LAKE WITH ABOUT A HUNDRED LAKES. THIS TOOK PLACE WITH NO LAKE LOT OWNERS PROTESTING BECAUSE THEY KNEW THIS WAS A POSSIBILITY WHEN THEY BOUGHT THE LOTS. I'M VERY MUCH PRO-DEVELOPMENT BUT NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR FIVE AND A HALF DECADES AND SOLD TO BE USED AS RETREAT. I HAVE AN ARTICLE FROM APRIL 25TH, 2011 WHEN LAKE LARK WAS SOLD MANY TEAM EFFORT WAS AWARE IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN USED AS A RETREAT AND PURCHASED IT ANYWAY. THEY ALSO LED THE DIRECTOR OF THE FLORIDA METHODIST CAMPS WOULD NOT BET IT BIT SOLD TO A DEVELOPER. I REALIZE THIS IS A SMALL, BUT THIS IS A DEVELOPER. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. TEAM EFFORT IS A LARGE ORGANIZATION LISTED ON THE NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE AND DONE MANY THINGS BUT BECAUSE THEY RUN INTO FINANCIAL PROBLEM IS NOT A REASON TO PUNISH THE RESIDENT OF LAKE ASBURY WITH A NEW SUBDIVISION THAT DOES NOT FIT IN THE MIDDLE OF EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. THERE'S MANY OTHER REASONS THIS SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. A COUPLE ARE FROM DAMS NOT BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THE TRAFFIC WHICH LAKE LOT OWNERS ARE PRESENTLY LOOKING TO RAISE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO BRING DAMS INTO COMPLIANCE. ONLY TWO WAYS IN AND OUT, THROUGH HOMES THAT PAY COUNTY A THOUSAND DOLLARS TO PAVE, MORE SEPTIC TANKS THEN THE FUTURE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. THERE IS ALSO A DAM ON THIS PROPERTY WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE TO MEET STATE REGULATIONS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THAT. BUT LIKE I SAY, THIS ISN'T A [01:10:01] SMALL ORGANIZATION, TEAM -- TEAM EFFORT IS NOT A SMALL ORGANIZATION. THIS GENTLEMAN IS PRESENT. HE LIVES HERE BUT HE IS ALSO PRESIDENT OF THIS COMPANY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MARK MCMILLAN. AND THEN AFTER MARK WILL BE CHRIS RUSSELL. >> GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. MARK MILK MILLION AN I LIVE AT 602 LAKE ASBURY DRIVE. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND I JUST GOT OFF THE BOARD AFTER 8-10 YEARS SERVING AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE LAKE ASBURY SPECIAL TAX DISTRICT. I UNDERSTAND THE STRESS OF SOME OF THIS. I HAD A FULL HEAD OF HAIR KWHI STARTED THAT BACK 8-9 YEARS AGO. SO, IN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS BEFORE I LEFT AND I ALSO KNOW THE CURRENT CHAIRMAN OF THAT I JUST FINISHED WORKING ON ABOUT A YEAR LONG PROJECT WITH DEP, ST. JOHN'S RIVER WATER MANAGEMENT AND RC EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT IN THE COUNTY TO FINISH AN EAP THAT WILL BE USED ANY TIME WE HAVE WISHES WITH THESE DAMS. THE REASON ONE OF THOSE WAS BROUGHT ON WAS MULTIPLE MEETINGS I'VE HAD WITH THE STATE, DEP OFFICERS THAT ARE THE DAM SAFETY OFFICERS THAT HAVE COME N. WE'VE RECENTLY HAD NONE IN UR NDATION STUDIES ON THE NORTH AN SOUTH LAKE ASBURY DAMS. I HAVE DOCUMENTATION FROM DEP IN THE MEET THAT IS I STATE THAT I WAS THERE WITH. TWO OF THE DAMS SOUTH LAKE ASBURY AND LAKE RYAN WERE DEEMED IN POOR CONDITION AND NORTH LAKE ASBURY WHICH IS THE BIGGER DAM WHICH WILL BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MAIN TRAFFIC WAYS HAS BEEN DEEMED UNSATISFACTORY AND THERE'S DOCUMENTATION IN NEAR AND THE PIPES WE ARE TRYING TO FIX AS A COMMUNITY BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. THEY HAVE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY LOWERING OUR LAKES IF WE CANNOT GET THESE PROBLEMS FIXED BECAUSE IT STATES IN HERE, IMMINENT DANGER AND LOSS OF LIFE FROM THE HOUSES THAT ARE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE NORTH LAKE DAM THAT YOU CAN SEE ON MAPS, AND IN THE INUNDATION STUDY IT SAYS IT WOULD GO DOWN AN AFFECT PEOPLES LOSS OF LIFE AND FLOODING THEIR HOUSES ALL THE WAY TO THE BRIDGE, SO MCCRAY LANDING ALL THE STUFF WHERE THE NEW EXPRESSWAY IS GOING THROUGH ALL THAT WOULD BE IN THAT FLOOD ZONE IF THESE DAMS WERE TO FAIL. THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THIS STUFF IN THERE WITHOUT ADDING THE DAMS ARE OWNED BY MSBD AND TEAM EFFORT. THEY'RE ONE DAM BUT THEY'RE ALL COUNTY ROADWAYS THAT GO INTO THERE THAT ARE MAINTAINED BY THE COUNTY AND THE NORTHLAKE DAM IS LIKE DRIVING OVER A LOT OF POTHOLES AS VERY BAD CONDITION ALREADY. SO WEIGHT DECENT NEED THAT. WE DON'T NEED ALL THE EXTRA STUFF LIKE ABOUT THE SEWER ALL THAT, THAT'S AN GIVEN. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT STUFF? >> NO BUT I WOULD MAKE ONE COMMENT TO YOU. AS I MENTIONED THIS WILL END UP GOING TO THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND I SAY THIS TO EVERYBODY AS I MENTION IT, ALL THESE HANDOUTS YOU'VE GIVEN US, GET THOSE TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE THIS GOES TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS SO THEY CAN BE PUT IN THEIR PACKET. OKAY. OR ANY INFORMATION LIKE YOU HAVE. >> OKAY, YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> HELP HELPFUL FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT IN ADVANCE. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> THANKS. WHO WAS THAT? THAT WAS MCMILLAN. CHRIS RUSSELL. AND THEN AFTER CHRIS, WE WILL HAVE JANET WANTAGE. GO AHEAD. >> I'M CHRIS RUSSELL, I LIVE AT [ADDRESS]. I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT EVERYTHING EVERYBODY IS GOING TO SAY BECAUSE THE LIST OF LONG BUT I REITERATE THE FACT WHEN SHE [01:15:01] SOLD US THIS IDEA OR TRIED TO SELL IT IN TOWN HALL SHE REFERRED TO ONE UNIT PER ACRE AND WANT TO GET THAT REDUCED FOR THE 74 HOMES AN NOW SHE'S SAYING TONIGHT THAT SHE WANTS TO REDUCE IT TO ONE UNIT PER HALF ACRE WHICH BASICALLY OPENS THE DOOR FOR TWO UNITS PER ACRE AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF ALL OF THIS ON OLD LAKE ASBURY IS HUGE, AND YOU'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE DAMS, IT IS GOING TO BE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT. THE CLOSEST ROAD IN AN OUT OF TEAM EFFORT ROUTE NOW IS BRANSCOM THE DAM THAT SEPARATES LAKE ASBURY FROM SOUTH LAKE ASBURY. THAT'S THE ONLY ROAD THEY HAVE PLANNED IN IN NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPED AREA AND THAT THAT JUST IS GOING TO BE USED BID 350 TIMES TWO TIMES A DAY, THE IMPACT IS HUGE. SHE SAID THE CHANGE IN THE LAMP IS GOING TO BE INSIGNIFICANT BUT THE IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY IS HUGE. THE SEPTIC TANKS, THEY HAVE PLANNED TWO RETENTION PONDS IN THIS NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. BOTH OF THOSE DRAIN INTO LAKE LARK. LAKE LARK DRAINS DIRECTLY INTO LAKE ASBURY AND THE MAINTENANCE ON THE DAM PORTION ACTUALLY FALLS ON CLAY COUNTY. IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW THERE IS A PERPETUAL EASEMENT THAT WAS DONE IN 1990 I BELIEVE WITH CLAY COUNTY TO MAY TAKEN THE APRON THE WATER OIL SEPARATOR AND THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. ALL THAT FALLS ON THE COUNTY AND IT'S KIND OF FALLEN BEHIND FOR A LOT OF YEARS SO MY POINT IS NEW DEVELOPMENT NEW SEPTIC TANKS NEW TRAFFIC, THE IMPACT IS HUGE IN OUR COMMUNITY AN NOT INSIGNIFICANT. THANKS. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> JANET WANTAGE AND AFTER HER MAURICE LANIER. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DR. JANET WANTAGE. I LIVE AT 242 BUSH COURT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT FIDELITY. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WORKED ON THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WHEN IT WAS ALL BEING CREATED. MY IN-LAWS WERE INVOLVED IN THE CREATION OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY VESTED IN THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND IT WAS CREATED WITH THE COMMUNITY. IT WHAT A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. PLEASE DON'T LOSE THAT FIDELITY BY CHANGING ZONINGS, BY SHUFFLING THINGS AROUND, AND CREATING SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY ITSELF WASN'T VESTED IN. I'M ALSO ON THE LAKE ASBURY MUNICIPAL SERVICES BOARD AND I CAN I CAN TELL YOU UNEQUIVOCABLY THAT THE DEP AND ST. JOHN'S WATER DISTRICT MANAGER IS INVOLVED IN OUR DAMS CURRENTLY. THEY ARE HIGH HAZARD DAMS. IF ONE OF THOSE DAMS GOES THEY ALL GO, INCLUDING LAKE LARK DAM. THE LOSS OF LIFE AND THE LOSS OF PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DRAMATIC FOR THIS COUNTY. WE WILL BE ON NATIONAL NEWS. SO I IMPLORE YOU TO PLEASE TAKE QUALITY ISSUES THAT WE ARE R - CURRENTLY HAVING. OUR WATER RUNOFF ISSUES THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVING BECAUSE OF ALL THE RUNOFF THAT'S COMING IN FROM GAS STATIONS AND HENLEY AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, AND THE CONDITION OF OUR DAMS WHICH ARE UNSATISFACTORY HIGH HAZARD DAMS MANY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM INTO MAURICE LANIER AND THEN WILL BE CHARLES PACE. THAT CORRECT MAURICE? >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. MY MOM IS MAURICE LANIER. I LIVE AT [ADDRESS]. >> WE APPRECIATED THE SITE PLAN WE SAUL ON 29TH YES THAT IS IS ALDER'S GATE STREET THAT WILL BE GECHLD AND BE THE ONLY ENTRANCE. THE ALDER'S GATE WE WILL SEE THE DESTRUCTION VEHICLES THEN THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES S VEHICLES THEN THE 148 OR SO PRIVATE VEHICLES TWO OR THREE TIMES A DAY. BEFORE YOU APPROVE THIS ORMY DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAKE LARK PROPERTY I ENCOURAGE EVERYONE OF YOU TO DRIVE DOWN AS DEER'S STREET DURING THE DAY BUT BEE CAREFUL BY BUCKLING ASPHALT FROM BROKEN WATER MAINS. ALSO WITHOUT FOUGHT FOR THE WILD FREAKS. AND IF YOU COME IN THE MORNING WATCH OUT FOR THE DEER BOUNDING INTO THE WOODS ON THE PROPERTY. IF YOU COME AT NIGHT WATCH OUT FOR THE MAILBOXES. [01:20:01] MOST OF OUR MAILBOXES HAVE BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES, WE ALL LIVE ON THAT CURVE. THE STRIPING IS ON THE ROAD IS NONEXISTENT SOME AREAS. SLOW DOWN SO YOU DON'T RUN OFF THE ROAD THERE. ARE NO CURBS ON THE LAKESIDE TO STOP YOU. IT'S DARK OUT THERE. THERE ARE NO STREETLIGHTS. SOME OF US HAVE REFLECTORS ON OUR YARDS AND MAILBOXES. I RJ YOU BEFORE YOU APPROVE ANY DEVELOPMENT OF THE LAKE LARK PROPERTY TO CONSIDER THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF THE ONLY ACCESS BEING THROUGH OUR EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. ANOTHER CONCERN I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS HAS NIGHT'S LAKE ASBURY INDUSTRIAL SERVICES BENEFIT MEETING THE PRESIDENT ADDRESSED THE BOARD SAID HE WOULD BE ABLE TO SHARE THE PROFITS FROM LAKE LARK PROPERTY TO HELP WITH THE IMPROVEMENT OF OUR DAMS AND HE HAD SIGNED A CONTRACT TO REPAIR THE DAMS SEPARATING LAKE LARK AND HAD LAKE ASBURY. IF THIS IS THE CASE PERHAPS HIS FINANCIAL NEED ARE NOT AS GREAT AS HE HAS INDICATED AND SOLUTION FOR THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. I'M DISAPPOINTED THIS CHRISTIAN ORGANIZATION HAS NOT BEEN A BETTER STEWARD THE LAND THAT WAS ENTRUSTED TO THEM AND DONATED TO THEM TO BE A CHRISTIAN RETREAT SO MANY YEARS AGO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU MA'AM. CHARLES PACE AND FOLLOWING CHARLES PACE WE WILL HAVE TODD MADDUX. >> HELLO. MY NAME THE CHARLES PACE. I RESIDE AT 459 BRANSCOM ROAD. MY CONCERN WITH THIS WHOLE DEVELOPMENT MAINLY IS OUR DAMS. OUR DAMS AS YOU'VE BEEN TOLD IS IN BAD SHAPE AND THE EXTRA TRAFFIC THAT WILL BE BROUGHT INTO OUR COMMUNITY, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT WALK THEIR DOGS EVERY DAY IN OUR COMMUNITY IN THE DARK. WE DO NOT NEED ALL THE EXTRA TRAFFIC. THE EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE COMING IN TO DEVELOP THE LAND MAY WEIGH UP TO 80,000 POUNDS. ALL THIS EQUIPMENT COMING IN IS JUST GOING TO CREATE MORE PROBLEMS TO OUR ROADS WHICH ARE ALREADY DETERIORATING BADLY. THE WATER, THE RUNOFF GETTING INTO OUR LAKES, OUR LAKES NEED A LOT OF CARE AND WE DO NOT NEED RUNOFF COME FROM THE ROADS THE PONDS AND I'M HOPING THAT EVERYBODY WILL LOOK AT THIS AND SEE THAT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE BOUGHT WITH INTENTIONS OF LAKE LARK BEING A CAMP, NOT A DEVELOPMENT, AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR ALL THESE PEOPLE TO COME IN NOW AND USE OUR ROADS WHICH ARE ALREADY BUSINESS -- BUSY. I'VE BEEN THERE 21 YEARS AND THE TRAFFIC IS INCREASING. WE DON'T NEED THE EXTRA 150 CARS OR WAIVER IT'S GOING TO BE DAILY COMING THROUGH THIS. AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU ALL CONSIDER THAT AND VOTE, NO PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, SIR. TODD MADDUX. AND AFTER HIM, WE WILL CYNTHIA R RANKIN. >> I'M TODD MADDUX, I LIVE AT 743 LAKE ASBURY ABOUT 28 YEARS MANY I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE AND EVERYBODY HAS TALKED ABOUT THE DAMS AND THE WILDLIFE AND STUFF LIKE THAT I WILL SAY THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE WATER QUALITY IN THE LAKES, IF SOMEBODY COULD COME UP WITH THAT OR HAVE A STUDY DONE AND TELL BECAUSE IS THE WATER QUALITY IN THE LAKES THAT, WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S SO MUCH GROWTH GOING ON IN CLAY COUNTY RIGHT NOW IT'S ABSOLUTELY UNREAL. THAT'S A GOOD THING. WE ALL WANT TO SEE NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO SEE GROWTH AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THAT'S HOW MY BUSINESS IS. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT MAYBE THERE COULD BE A WIN-WIN FOR EVERYBODY IF WE WOULD CONSIDER THE PROPERTY BEING MITIGATED, THE PROPERTY WOULD STAY IS SAME BUT THERE ARE SO MANY SUBDIVISIONS COMING IN MAYBE WE COULD SELL? OF THE PROPERTY. I WOULD STAY THE SAME. TEAM EFFORT COULD STAY THERE. THEY COULD MAKE MONEY OFF THE IT. SEMITE BE SOMETHING THE BOARD [01:25:01] MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> MR. MADDUX I'M CURIOUS. I WANT TO CLARIFY YOUR STATEMENT. ARE YOU SUGGESTING A MITIGATION BANK? OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CYNTHIA RANKIN AND MARK WANTAC. >> HELLO, I'M CYNTHIA RANKIN. WE ARE NEW TO LAKE ASBURY. WE HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE TWO AND A HALF YEARS BUT WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE IT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY LARGE LOTS. IT'S ALSO A GOLF CART COMMUNITY. SO, IF YOU BRING IN THESE DEVELOPERS AND SHE PROMISED THEY WOULDN'T GO ACROSS THE DAMS, THEY WOULD GO THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S A GOLF CART COMMUNITY. YOU SEE KIDS ON GOLF CARTS. YOU SEE THEM ON BIKES. YOU SEE THEM WALKING. YOU'RE ASKING FOR SOMEBODY TO BE H HIT, NOT TO MENTION WE HAVE HAD TONS OF GOPHER TORTOISES, PROTECTED SPECIES IN FLORIDA THAT OVERTAKE LAKE LARK. YOU GO BY THERE ANY TIME, WE PICK UP TRASH EVERY SATURDAY, TONS OF GOPHER TORTOISES, WE HAVE WOODPECKERS THAT NEST IN THERE. WE HAVE NESTING BALD EAGLES DEER COYOTES TURKEY FOXES, YOU TAKE WHERE THEIR LAND WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO? YOU COMPLAIN THE COYOTES ARE IN YOUR GARBAGE BUT LOOK WHAT THEY'VE DONE ACROSS THE STREET IN HENLEY. LIKE WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING IN INTERSTATE, TOLL ROADS. WE JUST DON'T HAVE ROOM FOR I ANYMORE. THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE GOT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. MARK WANTAC. >> WANTAGE. >> I'M SORRY. >> MARK WANTAGE [ADDRESS] I'M ON THE LAKE LOT OWNERS ASSOCIATION. A LOT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID BUT THERE ARE A FEW THINGS I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THIS. THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AS A MISTAKE OTHER EVERYTHING OVERSIGHTS AND NO REALLY GETTING INTO THE MEAT OF THE MATTER I TAKE THAT AS A BIT OF AN INSULT AND THE EFFORTS OF THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THEIR EFFORT INTO IT. MAKING CHANGES TO THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN SHOULD BE WELL CONSIDERED AND THE IMPACT OF ONE DECISION HOW IT AFFECTS THE ENTIRE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE CHANGES THAT HAPPEN ARE GOING TO CREEP AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IN TERMS OF THIS PROPERTY THERE'S BEEN QUESTIONS HOW THE USE IS GOING TO OCCUR. THERE'S MENTION OF THE JUNGLEY OF THE AREA AND WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TO VALUABLE SOIL AROUND HERE. THERE GOING TO BE A RESTRICTION OF ANY TYPE OF MINING OR PROPERTY UP FOR SALE? DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT IS AN OBVIOUS CONCERN ESPECIALLY TALKING ABOUT BURROW PITS. AND IN TERMS OF A COMMON THING THAT GOES ON WITH A LOT OF THESE REZONINGS, AVERAGING NUMBERS PRESENTING THE SIZE AND IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT THE NUMBERS YOU WON'T SEE THE QUARTER ACRE LOTS OUT THERE. SO THAT'S DENSITY THAT WE DON'T NEED, AND THAT'S WHAT WE GOT TO LOOK OUT FOR IN TERMS OF ALL OUR DEVELOPMENT IS WE WANT LESS DENSITY BECAUSE THERE'S LESS PROBLEMS. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED AT THE COMMISSION MEET THAT IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT REDUCING OR INCREASING THE DISTANCE BETWEEN HOMES. INSTEAD OF HAVING 10 FEET PER HOME IT WOULD GO TO 15 FEET. THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFITS THAT CAN COME FROM THAT AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED HERE. SO WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND SAYS HAZY GOT SOMETHING FOR YOU UNFORTUNATELY THEY HAVE TO TAKE THAT WITH THAT GRAIN OF SALT AND GET INTO THE MEAT OF THE MATTER. IS THE LAND THEY'RE SELLING OR TRADING OFF IS THAT BUILDABLE LAND? SO SEEMS LIKE YOU'RE GETTING A BENEFIT AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REALLY RESPECT THE WORK AND THE EFFORT AND THE FREGT -- INTEGRITY OF THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL AS ALL THE MASTER PLANS IN CLAY COUNTY AN NOT MAKE QUICK DECISIONS WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING A CHANGE. ONE CHANGE IS GOING TO GO A DOMINO EFFECT. WE DON'T WANT THAT. THANK. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE CARDS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS [01:30:03] TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM THAT DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY? SO, PLEASE PUT THAT DOWN. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION UP HERE YOU MAY NOT LIKE BUT WE ASK YOU SHOW THE SAME CONSIDERATION THAT YOU JUST LET US TO OUR BUSINESS HERE. BEFORE MISS FRAZIER HAS HER REBUTTAL, ANYBODY UP HERE HAVE ANY SPECIFIC THING THEY WANT TO MENTION OR OF SUSAN COVER? >> I'VE GOT A SLEW OF THINGS BUT I'M GOING TO WAIT. >> GO AHEAD, SUSAN. >> IF I COULD MR. CHAIRMAN I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF CLARITY OCCASION -- CLARIFICATIONS. TEAM EFFORT HAS PARTICIPATED WITH DEP INSPECTION OF THE DAM IT OWNS BETWEEN LAKE LARK AND THE BIGGER LAKE. THEY HAVE A MAINTENANCE REPORT. THEY HAVE A LIST OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE TO BE MADE TO BRING IT UP TO THE HIGHEST STANDARD THAT KIND OF DAM CAN BE AT. I MEAN THEY'RE OLD EARTH DAMS AND THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. THERE'S A CONTRACT ACCEPTED BY TEAM EFFORT TO MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, TOTAL $5 4B,000 IN COST SO THE DAM HAS RIP WRAP REPAIR TO DO, THERE'S A PIPE TO BE CLEANED OUT SO THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE DEP TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE EXTENT OF THOSE REPAIRS ARE. WE ARE TREMENDOUSLY SYMPATHETIC WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE WE ARE RESIDENTS MR. JONES AND TEAM EFFORT ARE RESIDENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY ABOUT THE DAMS AND THE CONDITION OF THE DAMS. THE DAMS ARE OWNED BY THE PRIVATE LOT OWNERS. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONLY PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO THESE LAKES THAT THEY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON THE LAKES COULD NOT PAY FOR THEIR MAINTENANCE BECAUSE THEY'RE PROHIBITED ACCESS TO THESE LAKES SO IT'S AN OWNERSHIP AND A POSSESSION KIND OF ISSUE AND I KNOW THEY WORK HARD WITH THE COUNTY TO COME UP WITH COST SHARING AND PLANNING AND WE ARE HAPPY TO LEND EXPERTISE AN CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT APPROACH FUNDING. I HEAR THERE'S AN INFRASTRUCTURE BILLED AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME ROADS AND IF THE COUNTY FINDS THAT THEY, THAT THE WEIGHT OF TRAFFIC IS A THREAT TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE DAMS THEY'RE AT FULL LIBERTY TO POST WEIGHT LIMITS SIGNS, AND THERE ARE NONE IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMUNITY TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS A FACTOR THAT THAT IS CERTAINLY A LIMITATION THE COUNTY COULD ENTERTAIN FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. AND I THINK MOTION -- MOST OF IT WAS. THERE IS A QUESTION OF BORROW PITS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IN LAKE ASBURY BORROW PITS ARE ONLY ALLOWED ON AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY. I HELPED WRITE THAT CHANGE TO THE COMP PLAN THAT HOUSE THAT AND THIS PROPERTY IS NOT AGRICULTURAL. BUT IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN OUR ABILITY IN A PUD TO PRECLUDE BORROW PITS IF THAT IS A CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE ALSO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT OF THE PROPERTY. WE KNOW WE HAVE TO DO THAT BEFORE WE DO DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE LAND USE. WE HAVE RURAL FRINGE LAND USED TO SO WE ARE NOT SEEKING A LAND USE CHANGE. WE WILL HAVE TO TURN AN ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT. WE KNOW THERE ARE GOPHER TORTOISES ON THE PROMPT AND WE HAVE A MITIGATION PLAN WITH THAT WITH OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT SO WE ARE AWARE OF ISSUES AT A PROFESSIONAL LEVEL AND HAVE A PLAN TO ADDRESS THOSE. >> PROBABLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU MISS FRAZIER. ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPECIAL QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE I JUST WANTED TO KICK OFF THE DISCUSSION WITH. THE CURRENT LAND USE IS L.A. RURAL FRINGE, CORRECT? >> YES. >> THE ZONING IS PS-2. >> CORRECT. >> THE RURAL FRINGE, LET'S ASSUME THAT WE SAID NO TO THIS THAT, THAT WE RECOMMENDED NO. WHAT COULD BE DONE ON THE PROPERTY AS IT STANDS TODAY? I KNOW YOU HAVE COMING A NEW ZONING BUT IT WOULD STILL BE CONTROLLED BY THE RURAL INFRINGEMENT WAS THE DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITY ON THE RURAL FRINGE AS IT STANDS TODAY? >> YOU'RE CORRECT IN ACKNOWLEDGEING THE LEVELS. THE LAND USE VS. THE ZONING SO [01:35:03] IT'S PS-2 BECAUSE ITS CURRENT USE IS YOUTH CAMP. IT IS ENTITLED ON THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. THE RESIDENTIAL TLOOIMENTS ARE WITHOUT CONDITION F. YOU HAVE RURAL FRINGE YOU HAVE CENTRAL WATER YOU HAVE CENTRAL WATER AND YOU HAVE CENTRAL SEWER THE ONLY RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT IS WAS CALLED THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT AN THAT'S L.A. RURAL FRINGE. AN L.A. RURAL SPRING IS . . . 50 FOOT LOT WIDTHS SO IF THIS IS SOLD AN SWURS BROUGHT IN THAT'S THE BASE ZONING. THERE'S NO LOWER ZONING THAT THE COUNTY CAN GIVE THIS PROPERTY. >> SO CURRENTLY THEY HAVE ACCESS TO WATER. >> CORRECT. >> SO THE DISCUSSION IS AROUND SEWER. IF A DEVELOPER CAME IN AND WANTED TO BEAR THE COST TO BRING SEWER IN I GUESS FROM HENLEY ROAD ALL THE WAY IN THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO BUILD IT THE DENSITY YOU JUST MENTIONED. >> YES. >> OKAY. WHO HAS GOT QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HAVE YOU GOT ANYTHING PETE? >> NOT FOR SUSAN. >> I'LL WAIT. >> YOU'RE UP. >> WELL, FIRST OFF SUSAN THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND I KNOW THIS IS A CONTENTIOUS TOPIC TONIGHT CLEARLY IT'S IMPASSIONED THE COMMUNITY. A COUPLE OF CONCERNS. OBVIOUSLY CLAY COUNTY IS A RURAL COMMUNITY IN GENERAL. LAKE ASBURY MAY NOT BE THERE. ARE POCKETS AROUND CLAY COUNTY THAT WERE NOT WHERE DENSITY IS A GOOD THING. YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO PREVENT URBAN SPRAWL BY BRINGING COMMUNITIES INTO A CLOSER AREA SO WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICES TO THOSE COMMUNITIES. THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE SEPTIC. SEPTIC IS THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY YOU KNOW AND OUTSIDE OF LAKE ASBURY AND OTHER AREAS WE HAVE HALF ACRE LOTS N. THIS CASE IT'S NOT ALLOWED. SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY ONE THING YOU SAID EARLIER YOU SAID THAT IF WE DON'T VOTE FOR THIS THEN WE ARE SAYING SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE NOT ALLOWED. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED NOW. >> CORRECT. >> SO IF WE VOTE FOR IT WE ARE SAYING SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE ALLOWED. >> CORRECT. >> I WANTED TO CLARIFY. I TOOK EXCEPTION TO THAT AND I HAVE A CONCERN THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HALF ACRE LOTS AND I'VE BUILT ON HALF ACRE LOTS SEPTIC COMMUNITIES OUTSIDE LAKE ASBURY SO I KNOW IT'S DOABLE BUT I'M ASKING WHY ARE WE ASKING FOR HALF ACRE LOTS IN THIS APPLICATION WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT I THINK YOU SAID 5 ACRE LOTS AS WELL. IN THEORY AND I'M GOING TO ASK TO YOU REBUT THIS BUT IN THEY'REARY YOU'RE SAYING WE COULD TAKE 78 OR A HUNDRED ACRES DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS ENDS UP IF THIS PASSES WHAT THEY CHOOSE TO DO WITH IT AND YOU CAN HAVE TWO UNITS PER ACRE IF THIS WAS APPROVED. >> WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THE PUD WHICH WOULD BE THE ZONING WOULD DICTATE A SITE PLAN AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THE SITE PLAN. I JUST DON'T WANT IT TO BECOME A DEBATE ABOUT THE SITE PLAN. THE SITE PLAN THAT WE PROPOSE HAS HUNDRED FOOT BUFFERS WOODED BUFF DOORS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY EXTENDS ALDER'S GATE AND THERE ARE 54 LOTS THAT ARE HALF ACRE BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW TO EXTEND A ROAD, EXTEND THE WATER THAT THE COST IS IN THE FRONT FOOT OF THE LOT AND YOU'VE GOT TO DIVIDE THAT UP BY THE PEOPLE ON THE LOT SO IT'S A FINANCIAL EXTENSION OF URBAN SERVICES. THE LOTS THAT ACCESS DIRECTLY TO ALDER'S GATE AND TO LAKE ASBURY DRIVE ARE THE LOTS THAT ARE AN ACRE TWO ACRE THREE ACRES FIVE ACRES 7 ACRES. THEY ARE THE SAME AS OR LARGER THAN THE LOTS THAT CURRENTLY HAVE DRIVE WAYS ON THESE ROADS TODAY SO ALL THESE LOTS ARE A HUNDRED FEET WIDE, THE LOGTS ALONG LAKE ASBURY, A COUPLE ARE 140 FEET WIDE SO WHEN YOU DRIVE DOWN LAKE ASBURY DRIVE TODAY THE RESIDENCE HAVE HUNDRED FOOT LOTS AN THEY'RE DEEP. I DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE LOT DIVISIONS. THE LOTS ARE A HUNDRED FEET DEEP SO WHEN YOU DRIVE BY YOU SEE A HUNDRED FOOT LOT WITH A HOUSE ON IT. THESE ARE NICE HOUSES, THERE'S KINDS OF SOME OF THEM HAVE WOODS IF THEY'VE GOT A LONG DEEP LOT [01:40:03] AND SOME OF THEM ARE CLEARED TO THE WATERFRONT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT THAT. BUT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY YOUR EXPERIENCE AS YOU KNOW IT'S WHAT YOU FEEL AT THE STREET. 50 FOOT LOT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A DRIVEWAY EVERY 50 FEET. THESE LOTS ARE ALL THE SAME WIDTH AS THE LOTS IN THE COMMUNITY TODAY SO WE BELIEVE THE FACT THERE'S 220 FEET OF DEPTH VS. 420 FEET IS NOT THE STREET EXPERIENCE. THE STREET EXPERIENCE IS THE LOT FRONTS. THESE ARE A HUNDRED. AS YOU KNOW IN LAKE ASBURY RURAL FRINGE THE LOT WIDTHS ARE 50 FEET N.MPC THAT DARK BROWN AREA 20 PERCENT OF THOSE LOTS ARE 40 FEET IN WIDTH AND EVERY DEVELOPMENT WE SEE IS SLAM UP 50 AND 20 PERCENT 40-FOOT WIDE LOT SO I WOULD SAY THE FEELING OF CONGESTION AN LOT WIDTH AN BEING ABLE TO REACH OUT YOUR WINDOW TO YOUR NEIGHBORS BATHROOM DOOR IS THE LOT WIDTH AND THESE ARE ALL A HUNDRED FEET. IF YOU CONSIDER SEPTIC TANKS AND APPROPRIATE APPLICATION WITHIN THE BOUNDARY WE ARE DISCUSSING I HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A SITE PLAN AND YOU HAVE TO APPROVE THAT AND IF YOU LIKE IT YOU DON'T LIKE IT WE TALK ABOUT THAT, YOU APPROVE WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHOEVER BUYS IT FROM TEAM EFFORT HAS TO MEET THAT SITE PLAN. THEY CAN'T RUN AMUCK AND DO ANYTHING ELSE SO WE BELIEVE BY PUD THOSE CONDITIONS WILL BE SET IN THOSE HEARINGS. >> I AGREE AS A PUD YOU BRING THAT PROJECT BACK FOR REVIEW APPROVAL OR DENIAL. JUST TWO MORE THINGS. WE HEARD A LOT TONIGHT ABOUT THE DAMS. I DON'T LIVE IN LAKE ASBURY. I LIVE IN ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTY BUT OBVIOUSLY THE DAMS ARE A HUGE CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE NOT THE D.O.T. THIS IS NOT OUR PURVIEW. THIS IS NOT WHAT THIS BODY IS ABOUT. WE DON'T DO ROADS. THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON OR ANY TIME ON QUITE FRANKLY BUT I'D LIKE TO TALK MORE WITH NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE DAMS OR THE DEGRADATION CAN YOU EXPOUND ON THE DAMAGE ACCESS THAT THIS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE? >> WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY A CIRCUITUOUS ROUTE TO THE PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT CROSS A DAM. THE MOST DIRECT ROUST IS WEST ON BRANSCOM AND AS YOU PASS THE FIRE STATION IS THE DAM AND I THINK THAT'S THE SOUTH LAKE DAM, THE SOUTH DAM SO I CERTAINLY CANNOT SPEAK WITH ANY EXPERTISE. THE GENTLEMAN AND THE LADIES WHO HAVE SPOKEN THIS EVENING WHO HAVE BEEN ON THESE BOARDS AND MANAGED THESE DAMS FOR DECADES CAN GIVE YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION. IT'S AS FAR AS I KNOW IT'S MAINTENANCE AND IT'S REACHED A POINT WHERE THE MAINTENANCE IS A CRITICAL ISSUE. THE COUNTY AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND HAS THE ROAD BY PRESENT DESCRIPTIVE RIGHTS OVER THESE DAMS BECAUSE THE LAND IS NOT OWNED BY THE COUNTY. THE LAND IS OWNED BY THE HOA FOR THE LAKES AND IN OUR CASE LAKE LARK SO THERE'S BEEN MANY DISCUSSIONS WITH CLAY COUNTY I UNDERSTAND IT'S GONE ON THE OR MANY TENS OF YEARS WHO MAINTAINS THEM THOUSANDS, PUBLIC GETS TO DRIVE ON THEM. NOT BE THE EXPERT TO LEAD YOU - THROUGH. >> YOU ACTUAL DID I CLARIFY SOMETHING BECAUSE WE HEARD I THINK FROM PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE LAKE OWNERS, THE LOT LAKE OWNERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE DAM BUT THEN WE HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE AND THAT'S A QUESTION I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IN A SECOND WHO IS ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE DAMS BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. THE ONLY OTHER ITEM I HAD FOR YOU WAS THE PARKS. WHY CUT THE PARKS 50 PERCENT? >> AND WE WILL WITHDRAW THAT REQUEST. IT WAS HONESTLY MADE, WE NEED IT SO WE COME TO THE PUD WE NEED THE STANDARD BUT IT BEING I WAS WRITING A POLICY THAT APPLIES TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I WAS OF THE FEELING IF YOU YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW LARGE LOTS AND SOME WERE QUITE LARGE THAT MAKING THOSE INDIVIDUALS NOT US BUT THOSE INDIVIDUALS PUT IN THE PARK STANDARDS WHICH IS QUITE HIGH. IT'S INTENDED TO DRESS 50 FOOT LOTS NOWHERE FOR KIDS TO PLAYED AND THE NEED FOR PLAY EQUIPMENT AND IF I LIVE ON A 3 ACRE LOT MAYBE I DON'T NEED THAT BECAUSE MAYBE MY PERSONAL LAND IS ENOUGH SO IF YOU FIND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE WE ARE HAPPY TO WITHDRAW THAT REQUEST BECAUSE WE [01:45:01] CERTAINLY MEET THE STANDARD IN OUR PUD. >> I WONDER IF WE COULD ADDRESS THAT THROUGH PUD ON OTHER PARCELS WITHOUT DOING A FULL BLOWN TEXT AMENDMENT. >> YOU COULDN'T BECAUSE A STANDARD IS A STANDARD AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET IT. RIGHT YOU MEAN TO PROVIDE THE RELIEF OR THERE IS NO RECEIVE LEAF. >> THANK YOU. >> AND I TOO WAS SURPRISED THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO MAINTAIN THE DAM BECAUSE I THINK TEAM EFFORT HAS SPENT MONEY TO MAINTAIN THE DAM SO IF THERE IS AND EASEMENT AND RESPONSIBILITY DOESN'T BLEEJ BELONG TO THEM I'M SURE THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO HEAR THAT. >> THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL I DON'T THINK THE FINANCIAL NEEDS OF ANY SELLER IS RELEVANT TO ANY POLICY CHANGE SO I DON'T KNOW SUSAN IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS BUT TO ME I'M NOT MOVED BY THE FACT SOMEBODY NEEDS SOME MONEY TO SELL SOMETHING. TO MY PRIMARY CONCERN AS MICHAEL DRESSED MOST OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE THE SEPTIC TANKS THERE'S THIS LARGE STATEWIDE EFFORT TO ELIMINATE SEPTIC TANKS SO I JUST DON'T BUY THAT. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO DENSITY. YOU CHOOSE EITHER URBAN SPRAWL OR DENSITY. THAT'S THE RUB. SO, YOU KNOW AND IN EVERY ZONING APPLICATION PRACTICALLY AND I'M GOING TO TAKE JUST ONE SECOND TO ENCOURAGE ALL THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE ASSOCIATED WITH LAKE ASBURY. LAKE ASBURY DISTRICT IS YEARS IF TO THE DECADE BEHIND CREATING ITS OWN CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHERE THIS WILL COME TO YOU BEFORE IT COMES TO US. IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE 100TH TIME I'VE SAID THIS UP HERE BUT PLEASE THOSE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN LAKE ASBURY CREATE A CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE WHERE YOU HAVE FIRST CRACK AT THESE APPLICATIONS. INTERSTATE HAS BEEN PLANED 40 YEARS GROWTH IS HAPPENING AND IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN SO I'M NOT OVERLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE GROWTH. TO ME THE DAMS ARE AN ISSUE. MY DAUGHTER LIVES AT LAKE ASBURY SO I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THE DAMS. SUSAN YOU SAID $54,000. THAT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO I QUESTION THAT NUMBER. TO ME THE FUTURE LIMIT FOR DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE IS GOING TO BE AROUND THESE DAMS AND I PERSONALLY CANNOT SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON SEWER. I CAN'T SUPPORT SEPTIC TANKS. I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE EXTENT OF IT. >> SCHOOL BOARD HAVE ANYTHING? JIM? OKAY. ANYONE ELSE BEFORE I MAKE SOME COMMENTS? >> I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER I TURNED THE THING ON OR NOT. SEVERAL THINGS. NUMBER 1, YOU KNOW, LAKE ARIZONA BERRY AREA IS PRETTY POROUS. IT'S A SANDY AREA. I WALKED THE AREA. I WALKED THE DAMS. I WALKED TEAM EFFORT AREA. I LOOKED AT THE DAMS. I LOOKED AT ALL THAT STUFF AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES THROUGH THAT SOIL OR OUT OF THAT SOIL WINDS UP IN LAKE ASBURY. THIS SARATOGA THING I'LL BET YOU ANYTHING SOME OF THAT WILL WIND UP IN LAKE ASBURY. LAKE ASBURY WAS BASICALLY CREATED FROM NOTHING. WHEN WE ORIGINALLY STARTED PEOPLE GOT TOGETHER AND NOBODY KNEW WHERE LAKE ASBURY WAS SO THEY BUILT THE DAMS CREATED THE LAKES AND THERE'S SOME SMALL LOTS IN THERE BUT THAT WAS BACK YOU KNOW WAY BACK IN TIME WHEN THERE WAS NO HOPE OF GETTING ANY WEATHER IS OUT -- SEWER OUT THERE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE WATER OUT THERE EITHER. THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE DAMS, THE DAMS ARE IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE. I READ A REPORT FROM THE FLORIDA EPA AND WHAT THE RESIDENTS ARE SAYING IS RIGHT IN THAT REPORT. THE ONLY THING THAT DIDN'T COME UP IS THAT THE NORTH DAM I THINK THE ESTIMATED REPAIR COST I THINK IS $2 MILLION. IT HAS TO BE DONE. AND IT'S CRITICAL. I MEAN IF THE DAM BLOWS, AND I LOOK WHAT'S DOWN RIVER FROM IT, YEAH, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET WASHED AWAY. I CANNOT UNLIKE MR. GARRISON OVER THERE, I CAN'T BUY INTO PUTTING MORE SEPTIC TANKS INTO AN AREA THAT THEY DON'T NEED IT OR SHOULDN'T BE THERE. THE COUNTY IS GOING THROUGH PROGRAMS TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE OUT OF SEPTIC TANKS. NOW WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER TO GET PEOPLE INTO SEPTIC TANKS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SEEMS LIKE WE ARE GOING [01:50:01] BACKWARDS SO THE OTHER THING TOO, THE GENERAL FROM TEAM EFFORT SAID THEY ACQUIRED THE LAND. THEY DIDN'T ACQUIRE THE LAND. IT WAS DONATED TO THEM BACK WHEN LAKE ASBURY WAS CREATED WITH THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THAT BEING A RECREATIONAL CENTER DONATED TO METHODIST CHURCH WOUND UP IN TIME EFFORT HANDS AND THEY'RE OPERATING AND DO AN OUTSTANDING JOB BUT THE INTENT AND PURPOSE WAS TO BE A RECREATIONAL CENTER FOR EVERYBODY TO TAKE PART IN AND AS A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH -- I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS. >> MR. NORTON. >> I'M GLAD WE STARTED THE DISCUSSION ON SEPTIC. IT'S ONE THING TO SAY COUNTY ALLOWS IT ON HALF ACRE LOTS. IT'S ANOTHER THING TO TAKE AN OVERVIEW AND REALIZE AN ASK YOURSELF IF YOU ALLOW IT ON THIS PROPERTY TO GO FROM WHAT THE CAMP IS USING WHICH IS SMALL IMPACT COMPARED TO WHAT UPWARDS OF 74 HOMES ARE GOING TO DO AND THE ISSUE YOU BROUGHT UP PETE WITH ALL THAT COMING DOWN INTO THE SOIL, SO I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? >> JUST TO SAY I THINK IT WOULD BE A STEP BACKWARD IN PLANNING TO APPROVE THIS. >> THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A FEW COMMENTS MYSELF. I THINK SOMEBODY OF HAS ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED SO I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT BRIEF. AS YOU HEARD, I ASKED MISS FRAZIER TORE CLARIFY WHAT CURRENT DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS BUT OF COURSE THEY RELY ON SEWER AND I THINK WAITS NOT AN OVERSIGHT WHAT LAMP WAS DONE, THAT SEWER WAS REQUIRED. IT IS THE NEWEST MASTER PLAN IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE IDEA WAS THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT THERE WANTED -- THEY KNEW THE GROWTH WAS COMING. THEY WANTED CONTROL OVER IT AND ONE THING THEY DIDN'T WANT WAS A BUNCH OF SEPTIC TANKS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT LOOK AT THIS NICE MAP THAT SHOWS WHERE SEWER IS SWURS S SEWER IS WHERE ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS AND THAT WAS THE INTENT. THIS CREATES A PROBLEM IS THIS IS MORE OF AN INFILL PARCEL AS OPPOSED AND I WOULD SAY TOO THAT YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY DOES DRAG SEWER INTO THIS PARCEL, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THERE ANY WAY, SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. CAN I DON'T THINK THE REQUIREMENT OF SEWER WAS INADVERTENT. THE STATE AS A WHOLE HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET PEOPLE OFF SEPTIC. THOSE OF US INCLUDING ME WHO HAVE SEPTIC TANKS YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN THEM. THERE'S A COST TO IT. YOU HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THEM. IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. THEY DO HAVE PROBLEMS. I DON'T THINK WE WANTS ANY MORE IN THIS COUNTY. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE PUD THAT YES IN ORDER TO DO DEVELOPMENT YOU HAVE TO DO THE PUD BUT WE HAVE SEEN IT MANY TIMES SOMEBODY COMES IN HERE AND ASKS FOR A REPUD. SO SOMEBODY COMES IN SAYS I DON'T LIKE THAT WANT TO DO A REPUD AND I'VE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY I HAVE ALL THIS MONEY IN IT YOU'VE GOT TO HELP ME OUT SO THE PUD IS A GOOD THING BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S THE END OF WAS GOING TO BE THERE. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT THESE CHANGES TO THE MASTER PLAN WILL AFFECT THE RURAL FRINGE PROPERTY OUTSIDE OF THIS LITTLE PARCEL. >> THERE'S PROBABLY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SELL OFF PART OF THEIR PARCELS FOR RETIREMENT BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF ALLOWED ON UNDEVELOPED PARCELS RIGHT NOW. THERE'S THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS HOMES COMING THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THERE SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF MOM AND POP SUBDIVISION OF PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA. [01:55:05] OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK EVERYBODY COVERED I. I'M GOING MAKE A MOTION NOT TO SUPPORT. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> I'VE GOT TO A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A RECOMALM OF DENIA FROM MR. NORTON A SECOND FROM MISS BRIDGEMAN. >> FIRST I'D LIKE TO ASK MICHAEL IF YOU COULD, CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE DAMS AS FAR AS OWNER SMIP? >> OWNERSHIP IS NOT THE COUNTY. I KNOW. I WOULD BELIEVE I WOULD HAVE TO DO RESEARCH IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF WHOEVER OWNS THOSE DAMS TO MAINTAIN THEM BUT I WILL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT. >> I THINK TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> YOU'RE -- YOUR MIC IS NOT ON. >> COULD I ASK KAYE TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE DAMS? WHO HAS GOT THE MOST EMERGENCY? >> MARK HAS THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE DAMS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THE DAMS ARE OWNED BY THE LAKE ASBURY HOA. >> AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR UP KEEP. >> THAT'S WHERE THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE BENEFITS DISTRICT COMES IN BECAUSE THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE. >> ALL RIGHT. I THINK WE ARE ALL A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS. I GET THE IDEA THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES UNIT, SO THEY HAVE A SEPARATE BOARD SEPARATE FROM THE HOA, CORRECT? >> YES. >> SO SO IS THE MSB RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE DAMS AND WHERE DO YOU GET THE FINANCING FROM? >> SO THE LAKE ASBURY MUNICIPAL SERVICE BENEFIT DISTRICT BOARD IS A SPECIAL TAX DISTRICT BOARD THAT WAS STARTED IN 1986 THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE. THEN YOU HAVE THE LAKE LOT OWNERS ASSOCIATION WHICH OWNS HALF OF THE LAKE BOTTOMS AND BASICALLY CONTROLS THE RULES ON THE LAKE AND ACCESS TO THE LAKES, BUT THE DAMS THE MAINTENANCE ON THE VALVES DREDGING PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, ALL THAT FALLS UNDER THE SPECIAL TAX DISTRICT AND THE REASON THAT WAS CREATED IS BECAUSE IT CAST $600. BEFORE IT WAS EDWARD 600 WE HAD NO WAY TO MANDATE PEOPLE PAYING AND YOU CAN'T MAINTAIN DAMS WITHOUT THAT SO WE ARE ALSO LOOKING AT POSSIBLY INCREASING THAT UP TO $2,000 TO GET THE MO MONEY. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE FIXING ONE FOR $54,000. >> THE ONLY OTHER DISCUSSION ITEM THAT I WANTED TO ADD TO THIS IS I MAY DIFFER FROM SOME OF THE OTHER WHETHER YOU LIVE ON A ONE ACRE PARCEL OR HALF ACRE OR 10 ACRE PARCEL THERE'S A PLACE IN CLAY COUNTY. WE ARE A RURAL COMMUNITY THAT MAY NOT BE HERE IN LAKE ASBURY. THAT'S UP TO US TO RECOMMEND TO THE BCC BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. ABSOLUTELY CLAY COUNTY HAS A PLACE FOR SEPTIC TANKS. >> ANYONE ELSE. SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION AND THE MOTION IN FRONT OF US IS TO RECOMMEND THE STAFF REPORT WHICH IS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE [02:00:09] REQUEST HERE. SO EVERYONE IN FAVOR OF THAT STATE AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. OKAY. LET ME JUST SAY TO EVERYBODY THAT CAME TONIGHT, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. I KNOW A LOT OF TIMES THE FEELING IS THAT THE GOVERNMENT MOVES WITHOUT ANY INPUT. BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T. MOST OF THE TIME THIS IS NOT THE FINAL SAY, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION. THE BCC WILL HAVE A HEARING ON THIS ITEM ON OCTOBER 26. CORRECT? THAT'S THREE WEEKS FROM TODAY. THEIR MEETING STARTS AT 4. >> SO IT'S A TIME CERTAIN MEANING THEY WON'T SPEAK ABOUT THIS UNTIL AT LEAST 5:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. IT COULD BE 8:00 BEFORE THEY GET TO IT BUT IT WON'T BE BEFORE 5:00 SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO THAT TO COME TO THAT MEETING. THEY'RE STRICTER ON THE 3 MINUTES THAN I AM AND ANY PRINTED MATERIAL YOU HAVE YOU NEED TO GET THAT TO WHO? >> THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. >> THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AT THE COUNTY SO THEY CAN INCLUDE IT IN THE COMMISSIONERS WORK BOOKS BEFORE THE MEETING. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY BEING HERE. YOU GUYS ARE FREE TO LEAVE. WE ARE GOING TO DO ANOTHER LAKE ASBURY NEXT IF YOU WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT. IT'S GO TO DO WITH VILLAGE CENTERS. IF YOU DO BE QUIET LEAVING PLEASE. ANYBODY WANT TO TAKE A BREAK? WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK >> EVERYONE IF YOU CAN TAKE YOUR SEATS OR IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE SO [1.  Public Hearing to consider transmittal of CPA 2021-11 to change the future land use designation of multiple parcels from Lake Asbury Master Planned Community, Rural Community and Commercial to Lake Asbury Village Center and from Lake Asbury Village Center to Lake Asbury Master Planned Community and a text amendment to the Lake Asbury Future Land Use Element, Policy 1.4.10.(Comm. Burke, District 5) (D. Selig, Senior Planner)] WE CAN FIRE BACK UP HERE. NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS BACK TO OUR ONE PUBLIC HEARING FERRY BODY HAS A SWAMP" DUE TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST TO RECUSE MYSELF. >> THANK YOU. TO HAVE THAT CHRISTINE? >> OKAY, GO AHEAD PLEASE. >> JUST LET YOU KNOW THIS ITEM WILL PRESUME YOU MOVE FORWARD WILL GO TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OCTOBER 26. >> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THIS IS THE ONE WE CONTINUED FROM LAST MONTH? >> YES, THIS ITEM WAS CONTINUED AT THE LAST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. SO THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE. WERE LOOKING AT 2 POTENTIAL VILLAGE CENTER LONG ÃREV. GIVE A RECAP FOR ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MAY NOT BE MEMORY WITH THE CHANGES ARE . WITH A COVER THE PARCEL DATA THEN TRY TO GIVE YOU A VISIT TO THE USES OF THE COMMERCIAL USES WILL BE AND THEN RESIDENTIAL USES. SO WE CAN MOVE THROUGH THEORY TO MENTAL PICTURE. A LITTLE BACKGROUND. THE PURPOSE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER DESIGNATION, IT'S INTENDED TO REDUCE URBAN SPRAWL TO PROVIDE A CENTRALIZED AREA FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. HOPEFULLY REDUCE TRAVEL TIME FOR SOME RESIDENTS ACCESSING THOSE COMMERCIAL USES AND REACHING THEIR PLACE OF [02:05:05] EMPLOYMENT. THERE ARE A LARGE NUMBER AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS. POTENTIALLY IN THIS AREA THAT ARE EITHER IN PREVIEW APPROVED OR CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. ONE OF THE PROJECTS, THE LARGEST OF THE SARATOGA SPRINGS IS ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA. YOU WILL GET MORE ABOUT THAT ONE. THIS IS ABOUT OF THE AREA AND AGAIN I DON'T HAVE A POINTER. THE 2 VILLAGE CENTER AROUND SETTLEMENT ROAD. SANDRIDGE IS THE WHITE LINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE MALL. JUST ABOVE THE BLUE, THE DOUBLE BLUE LINE IS COAST EXPRESSWAY. COUNTY ROAD 209 WHICH IS RUSSELL ROAD RUNS ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF ABOUT BETWEEN THE DARK BROWN AND THE YELLOW. JUST TO GET EVERYBODY ORIENTED. IF YOU WOULD ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION FOR THE ROAD PROJECTS I WAS ABLE TO OVER LAY ON THAT MAP FOR THIS MEETING. I DID THIS ABOUT THIS PICTURE OF ROAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED IN THE AREA. PINCUS OF COURSE THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY WITH THE 2 INTERSECTIONS WITH CIRCLES. THAT ARE PLANNED. GREENE IS A COUNTY BONDED PROGRAM WHICH WOULD WIDEN SANDRIDGE AND RUSSELL FOR MOST OF THEIR LINKS. FROM 2 LANES TO 3 LANES. AND THEN THE BLUE IS STATE. THAT'S FDOT THE PROPOSING CHILDREN WORK IN A GUARDRAIL. THE BOTTOM DOSE OF ORANGE STRIPE THAT'S FUNDED WITH IMPACT FEES AND THAT THIS CREATION OF NEW ROAD. THERE'S 2 VILLAGE CENTERS ARE BEING CONSIDERED. THIS MORNING IS EITHER SITE ONE OR SOME OF THESE MOUNTS NUMBER 4. THERE ARE 5 PARCELS THAT ARE PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED FROM VILLAGE CENTER TO NPC WHICH IS MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. AND THEN 6 PARCELS THAT WOULD BE CHANGE FROM MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY TO VILLAGE CENTERS. THE GREEN HATCH THE PORTIONS WHICH WOULD BE REMOVED FROM VILLAGE CENTER AND REALLOCATED IF YOU WILL TO THE PINK HATCHED AREAS. ONE OF THE REASONS IS THE GREEN AREA ON THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY THAT WILL NEVER BE COMMRCIAL. THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT WHEN THE VILLAGE CENTERS ARE INITIALLY ESTABLISHED SOMEBODY PUTS A DOT ON THE MAP AND DRAWS A CIRCLE AROUND IT. THAT PRICING SAW THESE PARCELS. IF A PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS 2 DIFFERENT FUTURE LAND USES ON A PROPERTY TO DEVELOP IT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS THAT AND REALLY MOVE BOUNDARY LINE TO ENCOMPASS THEIR ENTIRE PARCEL. ALL BUT ONE OF THE PARCELS THAT'S IN THE PINK HATCHED AREA HOUSE SOME OR MAYBE THE CURRENT SMALL AMOUNT LARGE AMOUNT OF EXISTING VILLAGE CENTER DESIGNATION ON THEIR PROPERTY. ONE EXCEPTION BEING THE ONE FURTHEST TO THE EAST. CURRENTLY IN THAT AREA THERE IS 51 ACRES UNDER VILLAGE CENTER NOW. THE 2 CHANGES ADDING 39 ACRES THEN SUBTRACTING 17 WOULD BRING THE NEW TOTAL FOR THIS VILLAGE CENTER AREA TO 73.65 THE MAXIMUM 75 FOR ANYONE VILLAGE CENTER. THERE WOULD STILL BE A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE AND 1/4 FROM THE ACCOUNT. IF YOU ACCEPT THOSE CHANGES. THE SECOND VILLAGE CENTER AREA SOMETIMES LABELED 2 AND SOMETIMES 5 WOULD INCORPORATE 5 PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY NPC WHICH WOULD BE PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED TO VILLAGE CENTER. THEY ARE IN THE PINK HATCH. THERE'S ONE PARCEL ON THE WEST SIDE, EXCUSE ME ON THE EAST SIDE OF WESSEL ROAD. THAT'S CURRENTLY COMMERCIAL. AT 9 PARCELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RULE COMMERCIAL. EXCUSE ME RURAL COMMUNITY. THOSE CHANGES CAN'T MOVE FORWARD UNLESS YOU ADDRESS THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT IS PROPOSED. [02:10:06] AND I'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU HERE. SO THE CURRENT ALLEGED CENTER FOR THIS AREA IS AT 75.48 WITH THAT MAXIMUM OF 75. IN THIS TOP TALENT. SO AS I SAY YOU WOULD NEED TO ADDRESS THE TEXT AMENDMENT AS PROPOSED. THAT CHANGE WOULD BE TO ALLOW ANY SINGLE VILLAGE CENTER TO GO FROM 75 AS A MAXIMUM ACREAGE TO 100 ACRES. I WOULD ALSO ADD AN EXCLUSION, VEHICLE OR RAILROAD RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND CREATES WHAT REALLY IS AN EXISTING ELECTIVE TOTAL MAXIMUM OF 750 ACRES FOR ALL THE VILLAGE CENTERS. THIS IMPLIED HERE. BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT READS RIGHT NOW AND 75 ACRES FOR INDIVIDUAL CENTER. A MAXIMUM OF 10 VILLAGE CENTERS. IT'S NOT NEW IT'S JUST BEING STATED. IF YOU PROCEED WITHOUT THEN ASSISTING NG 75.48 WOULD BE NCREASED BY THOSE 3 DIFFERENT LAND USE CHANGES TO A NEW TOTAL OF 101.55. GRANTED THAT'S A LITTLE OVER THE MAXIMUM OF HUNDRED. HOWEVER, THERE ARE PENDING RIGHT-OF-WAY CHANGES THAT MAY AFFECT THAT. WE THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE CLOSE TO A WASH. IN TERMS OF DENSITY. THE RURAL COMMUNITY IS A SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED USE. IT'S ONE UNIT PER 5 ACRES. NPC ALSO HAS SINGLE-FAMILY. IT'S AT 3 UNITS PER ACRE. WITH VILLAGE CENTER BEING SLIGHTLY HIGHER AT 5 UNITS PER ACRE. THE MPC ALLOWS TOWNHOMES AT 10 UNITS PER ACRE. AS DOES THE VILLAGE CENTER. IT ALSO ALLOWS THAI FAMILY EITHER APARTMENTS OR CONDOS AT THE SAME DENSITY. NOW, THERE WAS A QUESTION FROM THE BOARD LAST MONTH ABOUT THE MAXIMUM DENSITY BONUS. THERE'S 2 WAYS THAT CAN HAPPEN. WHEN IS THROUGHOUT WETLAND UPLAND BUFFER. I'VE GIVEN YOU THE FULL LANGUAGE HERE. ESSENTIALLY IT'S AN INCENTIVE TO A DEVELOPER THAT ALLOWS THEM TO INCREASE THE DENSITY IF THEY PROVIDE GREATER THAN THE MINIMUM LENGTH UPLAND BUFFER FOR LANDS DESIGNATED GREENWAY. HOWEVER THERE'S NO DESIGNATED RELAY PER GREENWAY PARTICULAR BUFFER EXISTING BONUS WHEN APPLYING TO EQUIPMENT YOU CAN ACQUIRE DENSITY BONUSES THROUGH ENVIRONMENTALLY SIGNIFICANT LANDS. BONUSES LIMITED TO THE DENSITY PTHAT'S IN THAT TABLE. THAT'S A POLICY 1.4.1 ENTAILS. THE DEVELOPER HAS TO SUBMIT ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT THAT IS CERTIFIED BY A QUALIFIED ENVIRONMENTAL PROFESSIONAL SUPPORTING THE PRESERVATION OF THE LANDS FOR EITHER VEGETATION OR FOR ANIMAL SPECIES. IT HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED SOME REASONS AND SIGNIFICANT TO THE VICARAGE AND IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED THE FLORIDA NATURAL AREAS INVENTORY PROVIDES INFORMATION ON THE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITIES. ALSO REQUIRES THERE SHOULD BE A MINIMUM OF 2 CONTINUOUS ACRES IN AREA. SO DISCOURAGE LITTLE STRIPS OF LAND THAT HAVE NO REAL SIGNIFICANT MEANING. IN ENCOURAGES THOSE AREAS TO BE COMBINED WITH OTHERS. THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW FOR SURE AT THIS TIME. WHETHER THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT HABITAT, PARCELS. TERMS OF THE SITE AREA. MOST OF THAT IS AGRICULTURAL LAND. IT'S EITHER PASTOR OR TIMBER WITH THE CASE OF SIGHT TO. IT'S EITHER SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON SMALL PIECES OF PROPERTY OR AGAIN, AGRICULTURAL FARM. THERE IS A LARGE PIECE THAT IS INCLUDED. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS TIMBER NATURAL WOODED FOREST. [02:15:07] THIS EXISTING NURSERY WHICH AGAIN RECENTLY DEVELOPED EVERYTHING THAT THERE PROBABLY IS A LOWER LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT HABITAT ON PARCEL OF CHARLIE DEVELOPED. IS REALLY WHAT I'M SAYING. ANOTHER FACTOR TO CONSIDER IS THAT THERE IS NO MAXIMUM IN TERMS OF THE DENSITY OF USES. RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL HAVE A MINIMUM OF 25 PERCENT MAXIMUM 65 PERCENT. DOESN'T APPLY TO SINGLE PARCEL. IN A PLACE OF VILLAGE CENTER BY ITSELF. IN THIS OFFICE AND IN CIVIC USES. I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS VILLAGE CENTERS ADJACENT TO RURAL COMMUNITY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, PARKS AND RULE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE DOES NOT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL. WITH THE INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS NOT EXCEEDING 5000 SQUARE FEET AND A TOTAL BUILDING AREA NOT EXCEEDING 15,000 SQUARE FEET. NOW THERE'S BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME SOME CONCERN THAT THE PARCELS ON THE EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL BUT, THEY ARE SURROUNDED BY THE RURAL COMMUNITY THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THE RESIDENTIAL USE. HEIRS OF THE OP SOMETHING SIMPLE TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF YOUR GOOFY Y REBOOTS. WE HAVE A MEETING TOMORROW FOR THE 3 RCELS OWNED BY THE STONE AMILY. THOSE ARE THE ONES ON THE NORTH SIDE DE OF EXISTING REST OF RUSSELL ROAD. THE APPLICANT, DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS A DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT . THE DEVELOPMENT AND REVISION PENDING PPLICATION FOR PROPERTY THAT IS ONE PARCEL. IT IS IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE STONE PARCEL. IT'S 20 ACRES. THAT OWNER IS ALSO ASKING TO BE CHANGED FROM NPC TO VILLAGE CENTER. AS WE SAID AT THE MOMENT THIS VILLAGE CENTER IS MAXED OUT. SO THAT IS ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD IF YOU DO IN FACT APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT BUT DON'T APPROVE THE OTHER CHANGES. LATEST CHANGES. BECAUSE THEY WILL TAKE IT OVER THE LIMIT AND THROUGH THE 20 ACRES AVAILABLE. I'VE GOT SOME NUMBERS FOR YOU FOR THAT. >> CAN YOU CLARIFY WHICH PARCELS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> YEAH, I WISH I HAD A POINTER. I APOLOGIZE. I DO. [LAUGHTER]. THANK YOU. YOU COULD GO A LITTLE TO THE LEFT. MORE TO THE LEFT. ACROSS THE ROOM. YEP, GO NORTH. THAT'S THE LAST OF THE STONE PARCELS. LIST 3. THE BROWN ONE ABOVE THAT, YEAH, THAT ONE. THAT ONE IS THE ONE THAT THERE'S APPLICANT COMING IN HIS MADE AN APPLICATION NOT ONE. SO, I'VE BEEN CONTACTED BY 2 PROPERTY OWNERS MR. BURKE MR. CONWELL. THEY ONLY 3 PIECES ON 20 90 STARTED WITH THE COMMERCIAL LEASE IN THE CORNER. THEN 2 MORE RIGHT BEHIND IT. DAVE EMAILED AND SENT WITH ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, ONE PARCEL OVER ON 209. THAT WAS IN SUPPORT AND AT THIS POINT BECOME NURSING, TOLD ME THAT HE HAD SPOKEN TO 2 OF HIS OTHER NEIGHBORS WHO WERE ALSO IN SUPPORT. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY WERE AT THE MEETING LAST MONTH. I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THEM MYSELF. I'M JUST PASSING ON WHAT CONVERSATION HAS COME TO ME. I DO HAVE 2 EMAILS FROM THESE 2 GENTLEMEN. I WILL GO AHEAD AND READ THEM INTO THE RECORD DOWN. MR. BARWICK WROTE TO SAY, MY NEIGHBOR CHRISTINE WHO ATTENDED THE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 7 AND [02:20:02] SPOKE WITH RESISTANT TO CHANGING USAGE ON THE 209B SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD. LIKE I WAS VERY VILLAGE CENTER IS TO PROVIDE REPEATEDLY PRODUCER SAYS WAS THE PERSON OR PERSONS WHO LOBBIED THE COUNTY FOR LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER, 29B OF RUSSELL ROAD. MYSELF AND OTHERS WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THIS. FOR YEARS WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER WANTED A CHANGE OF LAND-USE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE REZONING STEPS. SURROUNDING RESIDENTS WOULD EITHER BE FOR OR AGAINST THE ZONING CHANGE. I HAVE NOTICED A FEW REZONING MEETINGS I HAVE ATTENDED THAT AT IF THE CHANGES CONSISTENT WITH THE AREA. WITH THE CHANGE TO LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER THIS PROCESS WILL BE ELIMINATED COMPLETELY ON THE RESIDENTS IN OUR AREA WOULD NOT HAVE A VOICE AND WHAT TYPE OF BUSINESS COULD BE BUILT. A BAR, PURPLE HEART, DRUG REHAB CENTER, APARTMENT, SEX NOVELTY STORE, ETC. PLEASE AGAIN TO NOT AROUND THIS LAND-USE CHANGE TO HAPPEN. AND THE PERSON OR PERSONS IT MIGHT BE FOR THIS CHANGE TO LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE PROPOSED LAND USE CHANGE. THANK YOU. GREG BARWICK. SECOND ABLE IS FROM START AGRICULTURAL. FREDDIE WAS EVER, MY WIFE AND I LIVED AT 2096 COUNTY ROAD 209B. IN COVE SPRINGS. MY PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AT THE INTERSECTION OF SANDRIDGE COUNTY ROAD 29. I CLICKED ON TILL 9B SINCE 1989. ABOUT MY PROPERTY 1995. I'VE SEEN ALL OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE IN THIS AREA OVER THE LAST 32 YEARS. UNFORTUNATELY I AM FORCED TO WORK IN THE NIGHT YOU'RE HAVING THIS MEETING SCHEDULED. I'M WRITING THIS LETTER TO LET YOU KNOW MY OPINION ON THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER SANDRIDGE ROAD AND COUNTY ROAD 209. WE ARE AGAINST THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. IN MY OPINION THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF VILLAGE CENTER IS NOT NECESSARY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ANY ON AND OFF RAMPS FOR THE NEW BIKE COUNSELING SANDRIDGE. TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC ON SANDRIDGE UNTIL 9. HAVING VILLAGE CENTERS LOCATED ON THE CURRENT LOCATIONS ON SANDRIDGE ONLY MAKE TRAFFIC WORSE WITH HER EVEN HIGHER RESIDENTIAL DENSITY IN BUSINESSES AS THEY ARE DEVELOPED. MAKING IT LARGER WILL ONLY MAKE MATTERS WORSE. WE MOVED OUT HERE TO GET AWAY FROM THE DENSE IMPACT SUBDIVISIONS AND BUSINESSES TO ENJOY LIVING IN AN AREA WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT LIVING ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. BELIEVE ME, WE DO NOT MIND A LITTLE BIT OF A JOB TO GO SHOPPING. I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ONE OF THE MAIN DECIDING FACTORS IN PURCHASING AND WAS IT WAS OWNED RURAL COMMUNITY WITH ITS LARGER LAND REQUIREMENTS FOR BUILDING HOMES. WANTED TO LIMIT AN AREA WITH LOW DENSITY FELT REASSURED BECAUSE OF THAT ZONING THAT EVEN IF THE CITY MOVED OUT TO US THAT AT LEAST WE WOULD STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKCOUNTRY LIFE AROUND US. I FELT MOST RESIDENTS OF THE AREA FEEL THE SAME WAY. TO MY KNOWLEDGE THIS IS, CHANGES BEING REQUESTED BY ANY OF THE CURRENT RESIDENCE. ALSO TO MY KNOWLEDGE NO ONE IN THIS AREA IS IN FAVOR OF EXPANSION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER TO INCLUDE OUR PROPERTIES. THIS IS A PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE THAT IS NOT WANTED OR DESIRED BY THOSE LIVING IN THE AREA. THAT BEING SAID, PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE MADE THE NEED FOR THESE VILLAGE CENTERS IN THE FUTURE. HOWEVER, THERE ARE NO MORE PRESSING NEEDS ANY TO BE ADDRESSED AND PLAN FOR. SO INSTEAD OF FORCING UNWANTED CHANGE ON THE AREA RESIDENTS. MORE ATTENTION SHOULD BE GIVEN TO IMPROVING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AREA. TO IMPROVE TRAFFIC FLOW AND DRAINAGE TO COUNTERACT THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE BEING CAUSED BY THE CURRENT LARGE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF HOMES TO THE AREA. THE FURTHER ADDITIONS ARE COMING DOWN THE ROAD THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE. PLANNING VILLAGE CENTERS NEED TO BE MUCH LOWER PRIORITY. I FILLED THE CURRENT VILLAGE CENTER IS QUITE ADEQUATE AND SHOULD BE LEFT AS IT IS. HOWEVER, IF YOU FEEL THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW AND IS DETERMINED THAT THE VILLAGE CENTER TESTING TO EXIST NEEDS TO BE LARGER IT MAKES MORE SENSE THAN SHOULD BE ENLARGED INTO AREAS, WITH SEMITONE- THAT ARE NOT YET DEVELOPED. THAT WAY ANY NEW RESIDENTS CAN TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY PURCHASE THE PROPERTIES JUST AS WE DECIDED RURAL COMMUNITY IT WAS ZONING WE WANTED WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY. CLOSING MY WIFE AND I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU PLEASE LEAVE THE PROPERTIES IS TO TONIGHT'S OWN SAR. WE LOVE THE COUNTRY FEEL TO THE AREA. WE DO NOT WANT BUSINESS OR MULTI FAMILY RESIDENCE POPPING UP NEXT-DOOR OR IN OUR BACKYARDS. MOVED TO THIS AREA TO ESCAPE CAPE THE PEOPLE IN JACKSONVILLE. THEY STATE THAT YOU SEMITONE-AS IT IS. [02:25:06] SO L AT THE WEST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD ONLY THE CURRENT P75 MAX WOULD ADD AN ADDITIONAL 6.73 WHICH WOULD RAISE THE TOTAL TO 82.2. THIS OF COURSE IS PRESUMING YOU APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT 100 ACRES. THAT WOULD LEAVE LITTLE BIT UNDER 18 ACRES AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE EXPANSION. OF THE VILLAGE CENTER SHOULD THAT BE. SOMETHING THAT IS PROPOSED. IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE AREAS WILL LOOK LIKE. COMMERCIAL USES FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE VERY OTHER END OF SANDRIDGE ROAD WHERE IT MEETS HANLEY. THERE'S LIKE A SQUARE COMMERCIAL LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER. SOME OF THOSE USES INCLUDE CIRCLE K, THERE'S A SPORTS GRILL RESTAURANT, THERE'S A PLAZA, THERE'S AN OFFICE PARK. WINN-DIXIE. THERE IS A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL RETAIL TENANTS MIXED. IT WAS A FOOD MART CONVENIENCE STORE AND AT THE TIME RIGHT NOW THERE IS PROPOSED OTHER USES ON SOME OF THE VACANT PARCELS, A MEDICAL CENTER, POSSIBLY URGENT CARE CENTER. I BELIEVE MCDONALD'S WAS CONTEMPLATED. NOT SURE IF THAT WAS ALLOWED. SO THERE IS FUTURE COMMERCIAL INTEREST IN THE AREA. >> B&ARIEL AFFECT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT OR PART OF IT ANYWAY. IT'S 18 ACRES AND IT'S ABOUT HALF DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. IT CONSIDERS CONNECTING ROADS THAT MOVE OFF TO THE EAST AND TO THE NORTH WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. IN CONTRAST THERE IS AN FLEMING ISLAND COMMERCIAL WITH MULTI FAMILY. THIS EXAMPLE IS ON 17 AND VILLAGE SQUARE PARKWAY. AGAIN IT'S A COMMERCIAL SITE ON THE BOTTOM SAUCE EITHER. FAIRLY SIMILAR ACREAGE. WITH 14 ACRES. ALSO PARTIALLY BUILT AS A MIX OF TENANTS IN THE BUILDING OF THIS ART ESTABLISHED. THEN TO THE NORTH OF THERE IS A FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEX CALLED LIGHTHOUSE FLEMING ISLAND. I WAS ABLE TO GET A STREET VIEW FROM GOOGLE. THOSE ARE ALL 3-STORY BUILDINGS. THIS MORNING IS A 65 FOOT SETBACK. THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE ROAD. JUST TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL. THE PROJECT WAS BUILT IN 2001. THE BUILT AREAS JUST ABOUT 40 ACRES. THERE'S ABOUT 500 UNITS. THIRD ONE, 2 AND 3 BEDROOM UNITS. I PULLED THE RENTALS CLASSMATE OF THE WEBSITE. SAY GET A FEEL FOR WHAT THEY WERE GOING FOR. LAND CHANGED HANSEN'S DEVELOPED WAS $2 MILLION FOR THE 40 ACRES. IT WAS THEN SOLD FOR USE LATER AS SOON AS IT WAS DEVELOPED TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX MANAGEMENT COMPANY FOR JUST UNDER 40 MILLION DOLLARS. IT WAS A LOT OF AND I HEAR THIS A LOT. THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ASSOCIATION. SEE THE WORLD TO FAMILY APARTMENT THERE'S A MENTAL IMAGE OF ABOUT EVERY STEREOTYPE IMAGINABLE. OF HEARD A LOT OF RUMORS SINCE WE DEVELOPED THIS PROJECT. I JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION. THOSE GOING RATE FOR ACREAGE 20 YEARS AGO. IT'S A BIT HIGHER NOW. TO ACQUIRE LAND IF AND IF YOU HAVE JUST SUCH A DEMAND ON INVESTMENT AND THEN THE COST OF BUILDING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EARLIER ANY OF THOSE NEGATIVE STEREOTYPES AND CONSTANT DEVELOPMENTS TO HIDE. SO, I JUST WANTED TO FILL THAT OUT THERE TO HOPEFULLY ONLY A FEW CONCERNS. REALLY THE ONLY ENTITIES THAT BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS HUD. OR NONPROFITS, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THAT KIND OF AN ORGANIZATION. WE ARE THERE'S THE MATCHING DOLLARS EQUIPMENT THIS [02:30:06] ASSISTANCE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DONE FOR PROFIT MOST CASES. THE SITE 2/5 PARCEL IS CLEARED IN THIS PHOTO. IS 39 ACRES. THAT'S THE AREA THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO DEVELOP FIRST FROM VILLAGE CENTER AREA. SO, OUR SUMMARY IS VILLAGE SAT ONE AT EAST COAST EXPRESSWAY AND SANDRIDGE ROAD. AS FOR 51 ACRES RIGHT NOW. WE ARE PROPOSING IT BEING INCREASED TO 33 ACRES. THIS JUST UNDER THE THRESHOLD. IT'S GLOBAL AS A STANDALONE. REMINDER THAT ACCEPTING THE TEXT AMENDMENT CHANGE FROM 75 ACRES 200 COUNT. IT IS REQUIRED TO CONSIDER ANY CHANGES TO THE BILLER CENTER TO SITE. THAT'S CURRENTLY 75 ACRES. IF YOU MAKE NO CHANGES THERE'S JUST THE SLIDES OFFSET. I THINK AGAIN OF WHAT WE BRING TO ZERO. PRESUMING ON INTO TO MAKE SOME CHANGES. THE CHOICE OF STAYING ON THE BUS OUT OF RUSSELL ROAD GOT CHANGES ADDING 6 AND 3-QUARTER ACRES WOULD BRING THE TOTAL UP TO 82.2. IN THE EAST TIME PORTION WHICH WOULD BE ANOTHER 19 ACRES WHICH WOULD BRING IT UP TO 101.55. SO STUFF IS OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT TRANSMITTAL OF CPA 2021 Ã 11 AND AS PROPOSED. I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND I'M SURE THERE'S PROBABLY A FEW FOLKS TO COMMENT. >> THANKS TONY. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING? GO AHEAD KEITH. >> COMPANY OF THE CENTERS ARE CLOSE TO 75 ACRE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT QUICKBOOKS THE OTHER LEFT-CENTER CENTER ON 30TH QUICKBOOKS HE SAID WE HAVE 10. TOTAL SONAR 50 ACRES. WE'VE GOT TO 75. CONSEQUENTLY THERE ONLY 8 IN EXISTENCE. THEY SAID 10. TUMOR CAN BE DEVELOPED SHOULD OVER TIME THAT WE NEEDED. MOST OF THEM ARE WELL AND I'M NOT. ACTUALLY I HAVE. ONE MOMENT. THOUGH THERE ARE. VILLAGE CENTER ONE, THESE NUMBERS ARE RANDOM. IT IS AT 66 AND 3-QUARTER ACRES. NUMBER 2 IS AT 46.86. NUMBER 36.45. THAT'S THE ONE HANLEY. OR IF I'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT. 6 IS AT 70 ACRES. 7 IS A 50 ACRES AND IS IT 56 3/4. >> GOT A GENERAL QUESTION. THIS AGAIN, I GO OFF TRACK. ALL ABILITIES ARE NOT IN OUR PURVIEW IN HIS BODY. I'M CURIOUS, ARE THERE UTILITIES EITHER AT PLAN TO BE ON THIS VILLAGE CENTERS TO HOUSE NOT BEEN COORDINATED? THANKS I HAVE NOT LOOKED INTO UTILITIES BECAUSE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE REALLY THAT KIND OF COMES INTO THE MIX AT ZONING OR SITE PLAN REVIEW. SO I'M AFRAID I CAN'T TRULY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY. >> OKAY. EVERYTHING'S TRANSPARENT RETURN FROM EVERYDAY ACTUALLY I KNOW I MENTIONED THIS LAST MEETING THIS MONTH. CONGESTION IS BUILDING UP DOWN RUSSELL ROAD AND BY DEFAULT SANDRIDGE. I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE WE ARE PLANNING BONNIE TO UNDERSTAND BEFORE WE VOTE TO EITHER INCREASE AND LET STAND IN THE CURRENT VILLAGE CENTERS. INFRASTRUCTURE IS IN PLACE NOW PLAN TO BE IN PLACE. >> I PROVIDED TO THAT IN GOING FORWARD. HIS WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE LINES RUN HONESTLY. >> OKAY, THANK YOU BETTY. >> YES SIR. [02:35:08] >> PITCHER MIKE ON BONE. >> IS THAT LITTLE BIT BETTER. THANK YOU FOR OVIDING THE INFORMATION WE REQUESTED. WHEN I LOOK AT ON THE PLAN ELEMENTS OF THE ONES BEING G CONSIDERED SANDRIDGE GE ROOM IS THE MAIN ROAD GOING THROUGH HERE. HE WAS TAKEN FROM 2 LANES TO LANES, CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY FOR THE ARD IS TO CONSIDER IF YOU PUT SARATOGA SPRINGS ON THEIR THE ACCESS IS OFTEN SANDRIDGE AS WELL AS THE OTHERS ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, FLEMING PISLAND AND EAGLE HARBOR USING 3 LANE ROAD WHEN RIGHT NOW THERE'S 4 LANES GOING THROUGH AND SOON GOING TO 6. THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS WHY WE DOING IT? INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT A LARGER ROAD BEFORE WE APPROVE A LOT OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THERE. THAT'S ALL. >> OKAY. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS MORNING. FOR THE PUBLIC C HEARING. THIS CARD, JOE WIGGINS. ARE YOU STILL THERE? THANKS FOR HAVING HANG . NEXT MR. CHAIRMAN, PORT JOE WIGGINS 91 PRENSKY ROAD SUITE 17 WRINKLE SPRINGS FLORIDA. I'VE A PLANNER HERE AS WELL. LIKE MR. LEE TO GO FIRST AND IF I COULD FOLLOW THAT WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE CHAIRMAN. >> GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN JANICE FLEET. 1557 ÃJACKSONVILLE FLORIDA. THANK YOU FOR THAT IT MAY GIVE YOU COMMENTS. SO I THINK THE STAFF ARE BRINGING THIS FORWARD. WE STARTED WORKING WITH STAFF BACK IN APRIL I GUESS OR BEFORE. BRITT SUBMITTED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR ONE OF THE PARCELS. BECAUSE OF THE TIME WILL 75 ACRE SUBMITTED IT AND ACTUALLY WENT TO PAY FOR ADVERTISING THEN ACCOUNTING STAFF ASKED US WHAT WE MIGHT WELL BE BECAUSE I STARTED REALIZING THAT IN A FED OTHER MEETINGS AND IN TURN TENANT WANTED TO MAKE SCOUT. PROBABLY CAME UP WITH THESE VILLAGE CENTER CONCEPTS WHICH I THINK A GREAT CONCEPT. I SAID 75 ACRES AND DIDN'T PUT CIRCLES. BUT DIDN'T REALLY LOOK WHERE IS THE LAND, WHERE IS THE PROPERTY SUPPOSED TO BE. WHERE LANDOWNERS AND WHAT MAKES SENSE. A LOT OF TIMES MENTIONED COMING UP WITH BOUNDARIES IS WHICH I THINK DEBBIE WENT OVER. EVEN LOOK AND SAY OKAY IS THERE ROOM ROOM? IS THERE PROPERTY OWNERS? TRY TO MAKE ERRORS MAKE SENSE. SO, WE AFTER STAFF SAID THEY NEEDED TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT MORE. LOOKING AT THE ACCOUNT AND LOOKING AT THE LOCATION. THEY ASKED TO WITHDRAW THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT AND WORK WITH COUNTY STAFF. THAT'S WHAT WE DID. SO WE GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS. THINK OF THE GOOD MORE HOLISTIC LINK.OCHESTER ONE PARCEL. WE DID THAT. THE CONCEPT THEY FOUND. GET 75 ACRES IS GOOD BUT SAID 70 ACRES. IT HAD CAPS. LOOK AT THE PARCELS THEY REALIZE THAT SOME OF THEM MAY BE ANCIENT MORE CONSUMPTION BE LESS. ON THE ONE IS AN AREA WITH FILLING GOING TO BE INCREASED TO MAKE ON BOTH SIDES OF SANDRIDGE WITH IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. THE DEBBIE MENTIONED TO IMPROVE THAT AREA AS WELL AS IMPROVE WITH HER DOING. THE CONCEPT IS GOOD. I APPRECIATE YOU SUPPORTING STAFF ON THE LAST ONE. IN MAINTAINING A CONCEPT LIKE US. THE MASTER PLANS EFFORT. WE'VE GOT TO GET TIRELESSLY THE 5000 DOWN TO REALITY OF THE STAFF AS WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE THE LAND IS. AND, LOOKING AT CHANGING THE BOUNDARIES OF THIS DEFICIT WE [02:40:04] THINK IS GOOD. BECAUS THE INTERSECTION OF THE ROADWAY FOR THE RUSSELL'S PROPERTY, AT RUSSELL RIDGE AND SANDRIDGE MAY BE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET MAKE SENSE. THERE IS EXISTING NURSERY THERE. SHE IS ALLOWED BY LOOKING TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY VILLAGE CENTER. WE THINK IT'S GOOD PLANNING TO SUPPORT STAFF AND TO CHANGE THEIR LANE USED TO DO THE TEXT CHANGE. INCREASING INTO THE HUNDRED ACRES PER VILLAGE CENTER. AS WELL AS A 7 HUNDRED 50 WHICH IS KIND OF BEEN INHERITED. AS OF LOOKING AT THE PARTICULAR MENUS TO SUPPORT THE PARCELS THAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO INCLUDE IN THIS VILLAGE CENTER CHANGE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. RYAN TALKING ABOUT PARCELS, AIR, ADVOCATING FOR PARTICULAR PARCEL. IN TALKING ABOUT PARCELS ON THE WEST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD? ASK THE EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROOM. ASK SIDE. OKAY, THANK YOU MA'AM. JOE WIGGINS. MAX WE HAVE A VERY BITTER BOB ABOUT INTERSECTION OF SANDRIDGE AND RUSSELL? STAYING LM. SECOND JOE IGGINS S SO ANOTHER NURSERY SENSE HAIN. PAL ACRES ON A SIGN AND WE ARE CURRENTLY ACROSS FROM SANDRIDGE. WE CONTROL THE LAND ACROSS THE INTEREST CHANGE. LIKE JANA SAID.E FILED TO CHANGE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BOOK AN RV STORAGE. 13 ACRES HAVE A PLANT NURSERY IN FRONT INTO THIS BOOK AN RV STORAGE BEHIND ENTIRE DAY. >> JOE YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING UP WELL. >> SORRY. LIKE A MAILING NOW. SO THE INTENT WAS TO HAVE NURSERY IN FRONT AND AN RV STORAGE BEHIND. SEATBELT AND RV STORAGE AND GO SOUTH ON 17 STOP POINTS TIGHTLY. THE CONGRESS A GOOD PLAN TO DO THIS. SO THAT WAS OUR INTENT STAFF CAME THOMAS SENT HAVENS A BUBBLE THING I FELT LIKE MAYBE IF WE HAD LISTEN TO STAFF THIS MAY HAVE GONE THROUGH. NOW IS AREA WE HAVE SOME FEEDBACK FROM OTHER RESIDENTS AND RIGHTLY SO. THIS QUESTION ABOUT WOODED ACRES AVAILABLE TO THE CENTERS? WHEN DOCTOR STONE CAME VILLAGE CENTERS OR CIRCLE HALF CIRCLE. THEY DIDN'T TAKE ACCOUNT WILL PROBABLY THE PERSON OWNS. THE SANDSTONE POSTER SEAT IS VILLAGE CENTERS NATIONALLY GET LARGER BASED ON TRYING TO PUSH OUT TO THE BOUNDARY. WHICH MAKES SENSE WITH WHAT PEOPLE OWN. LAST MEETING HERNE SOME ISSUES ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE TO-BE DRESSING ROOM AND SANDRIDGE. I SUGGESTED TO STOP FINANCING ON SINCE WE CONTROL THE LAND EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL THAT IS STRICTLY ACROSS FROM SANDRIDGE. BOTH WORK AND PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY MAY BE EXTENDED SANDRIDGE. AND EXTENDED NASCAR EVENT BE CONNECTED TO LOW-COMMUNITIES HAVE FOR COMING WITH COST ON TO-FROM THE RESIDENTIAL AREA. SHE CAN EITHER CONTINUE ON THAT ROAD CONTAINED IN ITS RUSSELL BE ABLE TO MAKE A RIGHT NATURALLY TAKE THE S-CURVE GO TO THE INTERSECTION AT RUSSELL SANDRIDGE TRAFFIC SIGNAL. WE CAN GET OUT SAFELY. AGAIN, RETURN TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY MAKE THIS PALATABLE EVERYBODY APPEARED TO BE THIS NATURAL BOUNDARY TO GO TO THE RAILROAD TRACK TO GO SOUTH INTO THE LINE. ON THE SENSITIVE-BEING COMICALLY ELECTRICAL STUFF. THE NORTH WHERE THE SECTION. OMATOES ARE LOGICAL BOUNDARIES. CONSIDER THAT. IF YOU DECIDE TO IMPROVE EVERYTHING EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROOM. I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE NUMBER 13 ACRES. THANK YOU. >> MR. BIG IS BEFORE YOU GO. ON THE MOUNT TELL ME WHAT ARE YOUR 13 ACRES. IF YOU POINT OUTB& MEASURING DEVICE. IT DOESN'T SHOW VERY WELL ON THAT SECTION. [02:45:04] JIM, GO TO THE TOP OF THAT. >> IS HARD TO TELL ABOUT NOW. CAN YOU SECOND AND I WILL STEP ON UP. THIS IS A BIGGER MOUTH. WHICH ONE IS YOURS? THAT'S YOURS? NEXT WE CONTROL THIS S ACTION. ASK ABOUT IT.HRISTMAS IATIVES. >> HAS TO PARCELS. JUST EVERYBODY CAN SEE ON IT. I WILL PASS US DOWN. MR. WIGGINS IS TALKING ABOUT PARCELS THAT HE OUTLINED HERE SO YOU CAN SEE. >> T WANT ME TO POINT ON THAT ONE? >> NO, THEY CAN LOOK AT THIS. THANK YOU. NEXT CARD I'VE GOT IS FROM CHRISTINE BACKSLIDER. THIS CHRISTINE AFFECTIONATE 17 7 HUNDRED 9B. STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE APPRAISAL HE SAID TONIGHT. MAYBE SECTION 2 MIGHT BE. WE NEED KEEP COMPANY QUOTE WORLD-PRAETORIAN RURAL AND URBAN. I BELIEVE IT CROSSES OVER TONIGHT THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE GROWTH AND IT WILL RUIN OUR ROLE COMMUNITY THE CURRENT TAX PAIN RESIDENTS LOVE. WITH THE LAND USE IS CHANGED TO ELLIE BC THIS WILL REMOVE ANY VOICE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF THE TAXPAYING RESIDENTS. THIS IS IRRESPONSIBLE OF LAW FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO DO ANYTHING THEY WANT THE PROPERTY WITHOUT ANY APPROVAL PROCESS. I SUGGEST WE LEAVE IT ALONE LET THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS REQUEST LAND-USE CHANGES AS NEEDED. LETTING HAS BEEN A MAJOR CONCERN WITH THE AREA OF A SENSE OF CROSS CREEK BEGAN. I CONTINUES TO GET WORSE WITH IT CAN BE SUFFICIENT. DUE TO POOR PLANNING FOR COUNTY TAXPAYERS ARE FOOTING THE BILL TO REPAY THE DRAINAGE ISSUES INCLUDING OUR CONCRETE JUNGLE WHILE MAKE THE TRANSITION RESOURCE.ONE OF THIS EVEN DISCUSSES THE PROPERTY DAMAGE STILL TO THE EXISTING HOMES AND FARMS TO THE DEVELOPERS FEELING AND HONORABLY RUNNING CREEKS, STREAMS AND DRAINAGE FIXTURES. ALL THROUGHOUT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN AND LAND MOVEMENT DOCUMENTS AND DISCUSSES HOW VILLAGE SIZE WAS REMARKABLE. OUR STREET LIFE. AS A PEDESTRIAN. HOW WILL THIS BE ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT A WALKING BRIDGE FOR ST. ANDREWS AFTER THE LIKELY RESULT IN CATASTROPHIC ENDINGS. COMPANY AREA IS ALREADY HORRENDOUS. THE TRAFFIC LIGHT ANTI-AT THE END OF SANDRIDGE PROVIDED GRAVE TO MAKE IT WORSE FOR EVERYBODY. FOR EVERMORE ACCIDENTS IN THIS AREA LIKE MY FUNCTION DUE TO LIGHTNING. ARMS ARE BACKED UP SANDRIDGE. MAKES IT POSSIBLE TO TURN LEFT ON COUNTY ROAD 29. ALTHOUGH THIS WILL ONLY GET WORSE BY ADDING VILLAGE CENTER TO THE EAST ON COUNTY ROAD 209. LINK ADDING ATTORNEY LIEN IS NOT ENOUGH TO REPAIR THE TRAFFIC ISSUES. PLUS, BY NOT MAKING 209 ACTION FOR THE ROOM. MOST BUSINESSES CANNOT BE INTERESTED IN THIS VILLAGE CENTER. MOST OF THE INTEREST BUSINESSES HAVE WALKED AWAY TO DO THIS. BUT WE CHOSE ANGUS AND ARNIE HAD EMTIED VILLAGE CENTERS WITHIN LAKE ASBERRY. WINN-DIXIE COMPLEX HAS NEVER BEEN FULL OF NORTH MISSISSIPPI MARKET ORTHODOXY. MAYBE WE NEED TO ALLOW THIS VILLAGE CENTERS TO PROVE THERE XSS BEFORE. IF BIG BUSINESSES INTERESTED THE ONLY DEVELOPMENTS ARE MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THIS IS EVERYONE'S WORST NIGHTMARE. PAIN ACCOUNTS AND DID NOT APARTMENTS AND LOWER PROPERTY VALUES. RACE CRIME AND ABSOLUTELY DESTROY THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY THAT RETRIEVES TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN IN. VILLAGE CENTER, LEADING TO THE LINES BETWEEN RURAL AND URBAN COMMUNITIES OF LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. RELATIVELY CREATE MORE PROBLEMS IN THE NEAR FUTURE. PLEASE DON'T FORGET, SO LIGHT FIASCO AGAIN ON THE EASTERN SIDE TONIGHT. THE TURNING LANE, IT'S ONLY GOING DOWN TO WHERE MY ELECTRIC UNIT IS. IT'S NOT LIKE WERE GETTING THREEFOLD LIENS. GETTING A SMALL SECTION WITH THE TURNING LANE RIGHT THERE. THIS IS NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT WILL HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC AND IF WE KEEP ONLY PUT VILLAGE CENTER ONE SIGN, WE MOVED ACROSS THE STREET.RURAL AREA. THE ESCAPE THAT WAY. THANK YOU. >> THINK EMAIL. MARK. >> GOT IT RIGHT THE SECOND TIME. WITH THIS REQUEST DOES HAVE THE SLIPPERY SLOPE. SCOPE CREEP IS OUR BEST SCOPE LINK. TAPPING HERESY OF 10 POTENTIAL [02:50:04] VILLAGE CENTERS. FOR THE SAKE OF THESE 2 LOCATIONS ASKING FOR A CHANGE THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT ON THEM. NOT HEARD ANY DISCUSSION OF HOW THAT'S WHAT IMPACT ON THE 7 LOCATIONS. ON TOP OF THAT, THE ONE VILLAGE CENTER THAT'S MORE TOWARD THE FAMILY ROOM AREA. TOWARDS THE BEND OF THE INTERSTATE. THERE WAS A LITTLE SMOKE THAT WENT ON WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION TO TRADE OUT MOVING SOME THINGS AROUND. I BELIEVE THEY SPLIT OFF THE VILLAGE CENTER TO BE CLOSER TO HANLEY. A PIECE OF IT. IN EFFECT WE WOULD BE DOING BY AGREEING TO THIS BE GIVING BACK WHAT YOU TRADED OFF FIRST PLACE. AT LEAST THE COMMISSIONERS TRADE-OFF.THIS A LOT OF IMPACTS, THE PISSING CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL COME FROM US. SO, I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN MAKE A GLOBAL CHANGE EFFECTIVE PROPERTIES AND NOT HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION. THERE IS NO STUDY, NO INFORMATION PROVIDED. IT'S A BLIND DOOR. YOU CAN'T. ON TOP OF THAT I HAVE TO COMMENTS ABOUT THE WATER RUNOFF THAT GOES OVER THERE. IN CLAY COUNTY THERE IS A SERIOUS NEED TO RELOOK AT ONE OR MISMANAGED. AND THIS IS ANOTHER CASE ABOUT WHEN YOU ALLOW DEVELOPMENT DOES NOT WANT TO BE A VILLAGE AND PROBABLY GOING TO BE A WAREHOUSE TYPE ENVIRONMENT. SO, THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR. BACK IN, HANDS CONNECT. >> MAN'S HAND CONNECTS. [INAUDIBLE]. I WANT TO SAY I CONTINUE MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS FROM THE LAST TIME WE MET ON THIS. JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THAT. THE LAST MEETING GUYS ARE THE STORY FROM THE GENTLEMAN IN MIDDLEBURG WAS GOING TO HAVE 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT METAL BUILDING BUILT RIGHT NEXT TO HIS RESIDENTIAL HOUSE. AND YOU HAD COMMENTED WELL, DID YOU KNOW I WAS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY WHEN HE WANTED? AND HOW HOUSEWIVES THEY MOVED INTO A. SAID THE, YOU APPROVED IT. I SEE THE SAME THING. MOST OF THE EAST SIDE EXPANSION OF THIS VILLAGE CENTER. SEVERAL HOMES THERE IS PEOPLE ARE GOING ANYWHERE. JUST BECAUSE YOU GUYS TURN IT INTO A VILLAGE CENTER. SOMETHING TRYING TO PUT IN VILLAGE CENTER SHOPPING WITH A CURRENT RESIDENTIAL HOUSE SITTING RIGHT THERE NEXT TO THEM. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THIS NICE COHESIVE LOOKING WALKABLE VILLAGE CENTER. IS GOING TO BE SOMEBODY HOUSE RIGHT NOW SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO ONE WE WANT TO HAVE BUILT. WITH THE COUNTY WANTS TO HAVE BUILT. SO, AS RESPONSE TO SAY THAT. AND TO TALK ABOUT ÃWAS STOPPED. SHE SAID SHE WAS GOING OVER THE FINGERS ON ONE ALLOWS BONUSES OF COURSE NONE OF THIS PROPERTY ONLY SIGN OF EXPANSION WILL BE ALONE. ANY BONUS WHATSOEVER FOR MULTIFAMILY WHEN EVERYONE ONLY. SHE SAID AS WELL. VILLAGE CENTERS WAS TO REDUCE URBAN SPRAWL. YOUR BRAIN THAT'S PRONE RIGHT TO OUR REAL COMMUNITY ON THE EAST SIDE OF SANDRIDGE. JUST ASK THAT YOU DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR. LORI BELTON. I AM SORRY ABOUT 3018 RUSSELL ROAD. WHICH TONY REFERRED TO MY PROPERTY IS THE NORTH AND PIECE OF PROPERTY NEXT TO THE PINK COTTON ÃSTONE HOUSE THAT I'VE GOT AN APPLICATION AND FORM REZONING. QUICKLY THOUGH TALK, TONY SET THE TONE I WAS TALKING TO BE 3 LANES PAST SANDRIDGE. AND HE TURNS HANLEY. A WAIVER OF CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEXT 7 MILES AND 8 BOSTON ON THE SURVEY STATES ARMY OUT FOR MORNING BACKGROUND FOR MULTIPLE TURNING LANES FOR MULTIPLE SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE GOING ON RUSSELL ROAD. THERE MAY NEED TO BE A VACATION OR AN UPDATE ON THAT. NUMBER 2, PLEASURE TO MEET CHILD WIGGINS IN THE HOME. ADJUSTMENT AND TALK. FORTUNATELY I FEEL LIKE HE'S TALKING ABOUT BOTH SIDES OF HIS COMPLIMENTS. A SALESPERSON WALKS INTO A STORAGE BACK IN THE NURSERY. FALSE PROMISES SINCE HE SOUNDED. [02:55:11] COMMENTED ON UNSIGHTLY STORAGE FACILITIES LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND. >> THEN EARLY IN THIS AREA. UNSIGHTLY AND UNPROFESSIONAL THEY LOOK. YET, IT'S BEEN A VIOLATION. >> TALK ABOUT THE PROPERTY. >> OKAY. ALSO IN TERMS OF THIS AS WELL, I STARTED TO WORK WITH YOU ALL AS UPON. SO YOU ALL AGREE WITH THAT AND EVERY KNOWS HE'S GOT SEATS IN THE COUNTY. AS PART OF THAT BEFORE HE CAME HERE. UNFORTUNATELY IS ALREADY A STORAGE FACILITY. CHRIS AND EVERYBODY TURNS WHICH I FIND TO THAT. >> WHICH PARCEL IS YOURS QUICK IS THE TAN PART NORTH OF THE PINK BARN.018 RUSSELL ROAD. >> THE ONE OUTLET. LEFT CORNER. >> GOT ONE, OKAY. >> AS DEBBIE WAS SAINT SHE IS NOW 1700 ACRES AT THE HUNDRED ACRES IS APPROVED. IF IT IS APPROVED ALSO KNOWN UNDER 16 ACRES OF THAT THAT I WOULD BE GLAD TO ADVANCE INTO AN APPLICATION THAT WAS TOLD NOT TO TRY TO 21ST THING I FOUND OUT IS THIS. TALKING TO JANICE MR. WIGGINS AND WE FOUND THE APPLICATION 23RD. I STARTED ON APRIL 8. I HAVE ALL THE EMAILS. AND I WAS TOLD NO. BETH CARSON WAS TOLD OUTLET ROBIN STORCH. BOTH EMAILS. I CAN READ THEM FREE THANK YOU. >> WE ARE AT A TIME. >> WHICH YOU GAVE THEM MORE TIME. GIVE TO PEOPLE MORE TIME. >> NO. THIS IS DOWN. THE LAST CARD HAVES FOR APRIL STONE. >> HI MY NAME IS APRIL STONE I OWN 33 4 3360 RUSSELL ROAD. WANT TO SPEAK OUT IN FAVOR OF THE PORTION OF THIS PROPOSAL THAT HAS TO DO WITH UNIFYING THE ACREAGE ON THE SOUTH PORTION. THE WAY THE CIRCLE BISECTS THOSE PROPERTIES MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS TO UTILIZE IT. I WAS IN A SIMILAR POSITION. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT WITHOUT VIOLATING THE 75 ACRE ACCOUNT. IF YOU LOOK TO THE WEST OF THE PROPERTY C WILL SEE THAT THERE IS A SEMICIRCLE ON THE KB HOMES AND DR HORTON LANDS. THOSE PORTIONS OF THE VILLAGE CENTER WILL LIKELY NEVER BE USED. AS VILLAGE CENTER. I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO REMOVE IT FROM THOSE AND REPOSITION IT ONTO THE LANDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BISECTED AND YOU COULD THEREFORE UNIFIED ALL THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY INCLUDED WITHOUT GOING OVER THE 75 ACRE ACCOUNT. MUCH LIKE MISS TONY AS WISELY SUGGESTED DOING UNDER THE EXPRESSWAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SUGGEST. I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO UNIFY ALL THE PARCELS THAT MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY WITHOUT GOING OVER THE 75 ACRE LIMIT. X THANK YOU. >> MR. WIGGINS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND SINCE YOU WERE NAMED SPECIFICALLY HERE. PLEASE KEEP IT SHORT OKAY PICKWICK STINKY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THE OUTBURST. THIS IS NOT MY APPLICATION THIS IS A COUNTY SUPPLICATION. >> WERE WELL AWARE OF THAT. >> I WANTED IT ON THE RECORD. AM WORKING WITH THE COUNTY'S BEST I CAN.Y FAMILIES HAD LONG TIES WITH CLAY COUNTY WE WANTS WHAT'S BEST FOR THIS. HIS ALLEGATIONS ARE UNCALLED FOR. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. QUICK SURVEY I HAVE. >> NOVOTEL WITHOUT. PDOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK RETINA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. NOW, WE SHOULD NOT DIGRESS INTO THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION HERE. IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS A COUNTY SPONSORED AMENDMENT. SO THE INDIVIDUAL ITEMS IN IT ARE LESS IMPORTANT. IF AN OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT WHAT THE COUNTY IS PROPOSING HERE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAD THE ISSUE THAT IS SURROUNDED BY AL ARC. [03:00:10] WHAT THE RESTRICTIONS ARE. YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT? >> OH YES. I DO. I THINK IT'S BACK THE OTHER WAY. THAT ONE. >> YEAH. CAN YOU ELABORATE. ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS AND PARKS IS PRETTY CLEAR. WHAT IS MEANT BY RULE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT? >> I WISH WE HAD A TRUE DEFINITION OF DOUBT. BECAUSE IT'S NOT CALLED OUT. I KIND HAVE TO GO BY WHAT IS ALREADY SOME OF THE OTHER VILLAGE CENTER WE HAVE A GAS STATION AND THE ONE I'M AWARE OF. I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE MOST SMALLER SCALE COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL KIND OF USES. >> WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THAT SPECIFIED LIKE A ZONING DISTRICT OR ANYTHING? >> THIS DEFINITION SPECIFICALLY CALLING IT OUT. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT WELL. LET ME MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT WE WILL LOOK FOR MOTION HERE. APPARENTLY THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON THAT OBVIOUSLY WE WEREN'T A PARTY TO. I WAS TAUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO SQUARE OFF THE VILLAGE CENTERS. I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS PARTICULAR VILLAGE CENTER WHEN IT WAS ON THE LAKE ASBURY MAP DIDN'T GO OVER INTO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD. DO YOU KNOW WHY? AND LAST MONTH BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO CHANGING ANYTHING ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD TO VILLAGE CENTER. THERE WAS QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE NOT HERE TONIGHT. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION WHAT WE SAW THIS THOSE PARCELS WOULD BE ELIMINATED. I DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WERE OTHER THINGS GOING ON. I'M NOT SURE WHERE TO GO WITH US. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF AGREEMENT FROM THE AREA RESIDENTS ON THIS RIGHT NOW. SO, THE ONE LADY THAT SPOKE ABOUT TAKING A PIECE OUT AT THE BIG PARCEL THERE AGAINST DR HORTON. HAVE ASKED ABOUT THAT LAST MONTH. COULD WE NOT REMOVE HIM FROM THERE. THEY PROBABLY WOULD NEVER USED. PUSH IT UP INTO THE VILLAGE CENTER. I THINK I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE RIGHT NOW OF ACCEPTING THE CHANGES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THEN LETTING THE OTHER ONES CUT BACK AS INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS. >> UP? >> YES GO AHEAD PICKWICK'S FIRST LIKE TO THANK MR. WIGGINS FOR SHARING HIS VISION FOR THAT PARCEL. IT ALWAYS HELPS US A COMMISSION NOT JUST TO BE AN AMBIGUOUS STATE MAKING GENERAL DECISIONS. UNDERSTAND THE INTENDED USE OF THE PROPERTY. SO THE STORAGE BEHIND IN NURSERY ACTUALLY SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY GOOD APPLICATION FOR THAT SPECIFIC PARCEL. I THINK THERE IS SOME CONCERN HERE ABOUT THE BROAD-BASED DECISION BASED ON ALL OF THE VILLAGE CENTERS. I HAVE A VERY STRONG CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I THINK THAT ONE PARCEL I JUST SPOKE OF MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME AND I LOVE TO SEE IF THIS DOESN'T GO THERE LOVE TO SEE THE CUTBACK AS ITS OWN INDIVIDUAL PROJECT. A BROAD-BASED DECISION ON VILAGE CENTERS WITH AS MUCH AS WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT AS MUCH AS I KNOW PERSONALLY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND CONCERNS. I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY WE ARE A PLANNING BODY. AND THAT'S WITH THE STAFF IS DOING. IPOD THE STAFF FOR TRYING TO REDUCE URBAN SPRAWL. THAT'S HOW WE DO THIS. WE DEFINE AREAS THAT ARE USABLE AREAS THAT WE CAN FOCUS OUR DEVELOPMENT INTO. IN ORDER TO PROMOTE THAT THEY'VE/WORK/WALK /PLAY ENVIRONMENT. NOT THIS DAMN POINT IF THIS IS A DIFFICULT DECISION BECAUSE STAFF IS DONE A GREAT JOB. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND AT LEAST ONE PARCELS INTENDED USE. I BLEED TOWARDS YOU COMMISSIONER BY CAPER. IN REGARDS TO EAST/WEST.IT MAKES SENSE ON THE WEST SIDE. AT LEAST WE LOOK AT THAT AS A SEPARATE PARCEL. [03:05:04] THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. >> ANYONE ELSE? >> I GREAT WITH COMMISSIONER BARRE. PARTICULARLY ON THE SIDE. THAT I THINK WE NEED TO SEPARATE OUT. >> I AGREE WITH THAT COMMENTS ABOUT THE EAST SIDE. BUT ALSO CONTINUE TO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE CIRCULAR PORTION. I REMEMBER WHEN THIS STONE CAME AND SPOKE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT SEVERAL MONTHS AGO ABOUT THAT. SHE BROUGHT UP THE SAME POINT. I KNOW DEBBIE SAID THE ATTEMPTS TO SQUARED OFF. FEEL LIKE IF WE DON'T DO IT NOW IT'S GOING TO COME BACK. THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE CONCERNED THE WAY IT SPLITS UP PARCELS. >> PETE, ANYTHING? >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE VILLAGE CENTERS WERE DESIGNED TO BE ESSENTIALLY INTERSECTIONS OF ROADS. I HEARD A COMMENT TONIGHT ABOUT WELL IF WE DO THIS WE WANT TO GO TO NEXT PARCEL OF THE NEXT PARCEL NEXT PARCEL. THAT SPECIFICALLY WHAT WERE TRYING TO STOP WITH VILLAGE CENTERS. WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW MUCH EXPANSION WE DO. I'M ALL FOR SQUARING THESE PARCELS UP BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A PARTIAL PARCEL. BUT, TO INCLUDE ANY NEW PARCELS I THINK THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED ON AN INDIVIDUAL CASE BASIS HERE. " ASK, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO ANSWER THIS OR YOU CAN DEBBIE. CAN WE PUT AS PART OF A RECOMMENDATION TO REMOVE THAT PIECE ABOUT THAT LITTLE SEMI CRESCENT PIECE. IS THAT OKAY? >> ASK ABOUT WHATEVER RECOMMENDATION. >> WE DON'T OF THE PARCEL NUMBER ANYTHING. >> WHICH PARCEL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? >> PUT THE MOP UP. SEE THAT LITTLE PIECE RIGHT THERE THAT SITS IN THAT MUCH LARGER PARCEL. >> I WILL TELL YOU WHY I DIDN'T SUGGEST OUT. DR HORTON OWNS THAT PIECE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THEY ALSO OWN THE PIECE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF IT THAT'S COMPLETELY OR ALMOST COMPLETELY VILLAGE CENTER NOW. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY THEY ARE INTENDING TO DEVELOP. BUT, THEY HAVE ALL OF THAT. BOTH COPIES AND THE CURVED PART. >> YOU WERE ASKING TO DELETE THE CURVED PART OF A. >> THAT WASN'T EVEN ADVERTISED. IT'S NOT EVEN PART OF IT BECAUSE IT ALREADY IS. >> OKAY THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. OKAY. ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS ONE.? BOX OF A QUESTION BEFORE GOING TO SEPARATE UT THE EAST SIDE, IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE GROUP? HOW DO WE DO THAT? >> IN YOUR MOTION IT WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT MINUS THOSE PARCELS. CORRECT COURTNEY? YES. >> IF THE BOARD WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. WIGGINS REQUEST FOR A CARVEOUT OF HIS 13 ACRES THERE OR WHATEVER IT IS FOR THE TURN, IS THAT A SEPARATE PART OF THAT TOO? HOW DO YOU DO THAT? >> WELL FUTILELY CARVEOUT THE PART OF THE OTHER PARCELS. WHAT WE WERE SPEAKING OF EARLIER WAS TO SIMPLY CARVEOUT EVERYTHING ON THE EAST SIDE AND THEN MR. WIGGINS OR WHOMEVER BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER OWNERS IN HERE COULD COME BACK AND ASKED TO HAVE THOSE ADDED AS A SEPARATE ISSUE. YES JODY. >> I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING THE PROCESS. YOU COULD ACCEPT OUT EVERYTHING EXCEPT HIS 2 PIECES ON THE EAST SIDE IF YOU WANTED TO. I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THIS WAS BEFORE I CAME TO THE CITY. HE ALREADY BROUGHT THIS FORWARD ONCE. IT SEEMS PERHAPS B&. >> HERE'S MY CONCERN WITH THIS WHOLE WEDDING NOW THAT I SEE IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT RULE COMMERCIAL IS. I'D LIKE TO SEE US DEFINE THE IN THE LDR BEFORE WE START ISSUING BUILDING PERMITS ON RULE COMMERCIAL. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. >> RULE COMMERCIAL TO MEET SOME SECOND NEIGHBORHOOD CONVENIENCE [03:10:04] STORE TYPE. WE'RE TALKING 5000 PER BUILDING UP TO 15,000 TOTAL SQUARE FEET. IT SOUNDS LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE BEGINNING THERE IS A DEFINITION SECTION AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A TERM LIKE THAT IT SHOULD BE DEFINED WHAT IT IS. >> AGREED. >> THAT HITS MY THOUGHT THAT WE CARVEOUT THE EAST SIDE. ASKED HAVE TO COME BACK WITH SOME LANGUAGE THAT DEFINES WHAT A RULE COMMERCIAL IS. THEN LET'S LOOK AT THAT. >> IF I MEET MR. CHAIR. WERE TALKING ABOUT ALL 10 VILLAGE CENTERS. BUT WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON ONE. I WONDER IF IT MAKES BETTER SENSE IF WE START WITH THE ONE WE FOUND DISCUSSED. I WOULDN'T SAY IT AD NAUSEAM. WHAT WE DISCUSSED A LOT. MAYBE WE BREAK THE VILLAGE CENTERS SOME WERE NOT CARTE BLANCHE APPROVING THE VILLAGE, ALL 10 VILLAGE CENTERS WHERE WE MAY BE START TO LOOK. >> ARE THE ONLY 2 OF THIS PROPOSAL? >> CORRECT. >> I THINK THE OTHER 6 THAT EXISTS ARCHER CIRCLE STONE. >> IS NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO THEM EXCEPT TO POTENTIALLY ALLOW THEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. NOT ALL OF THEM. AGAIN, THAT 750 STILL EXISTS. THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL ALWAYS BE LESS THAN 75. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING OUT. WANT TO MAKE SURE. GOOD ENOUGH, THANK YOU. >> AGAIN, ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? >> I WILL TAKE A STAB AT IT. I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE STAFF'S REPORT BUT, WE TAKE OUT THE ITEMS ON THE EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD, SIR? IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE THE PROPERTY 17 ACRES THAT WE DISCUSSED.IF WE INCLUDE THAT IN TENANT REMOVE THAT ON EAST SIDE OF THE ROOM TO STOP, TO SET ALLOW THAT PARCEL OWNER MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT HE DESCRIBED? OR DOES HE HAVE TO STILL BRING THE APPLICATION BACK TO. >> HE WILL CERTAINLY HAVE TO REDO REZONING OF PROPERTY PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE LAND USE AT THIS POINT. IF YOU LIKE TO DEFINE WHAT RULE COMMERCIAL IS FIRST. THEN I WOULD SAY HE WOULD WAIT. >> SO WERE TALKING ABOUT DEFINING RULE COMMERCIAL FOR THE EAST SIDE THEN. IN APPROVING THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE DISCUSSED. >> YES. THE DEFINITION FOR RULE COMMERCIAL WILL APPLY COUNTYWIDE. YEAH. >> LET ME MAKE MOTION SO TAKE A PERSONAL SECOND THAT WILL GO INTO DISCUSSION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF'S REPORT EXCLUDING THOSE ITEMS TO THE EAST OF RUSSELL ROAD. THOSE PARTIALS EAST OF RUSSELL ROAD. >> BIBLESECOND IT. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT EXCLUDING THE PARCELS ON THE EAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT. IS SIMPLY NOT PART OF THIS NOW. LIST THE PCC PUTS IT BACK IN. BUT, FOR US IT WOULD NOT BE IN THERE. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT MOTION? >> AM OKAY WITH THAT. >> I WILL CALL THE QUESTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION STAY NIGHT. OPPOSED? OKAY. I THINK BEFORE WE ARE FINISHED WITH THIS PIECE OF BUSINESS DO WE NEED A MOTION COURTNEY, TO DIRECT STAFF TO DEFINE RULE COMMERCIAL FOR US TO. >> I DON'T THANK YOU NEED A MOTION TO DIRECTION REQUEST. >> OKAY, WE HAVE A CONSENSUS WE WOULD LIKE STAFF TO DO THAT. >> OKAY I THINK WERE DOUBLE DECIDED FOR NOW. KEEP IN MIND 26 OF OCTOBER THE BE CC WILL HAVE ASSESSABLE. AND OUR DECISION IS A RECOMMENDATION. THEY MAY CHANGE THEIR MIND. YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHOP AT THAT MEETING AS WELL. [03:15:04] >> THANK YOU JODY. >> ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON. [2.  Public Hearing to Consider Transmittal of CPA 2021-10, Saratoga Springs (Comm. Burke, District 5) (B. Carson)] I THINK THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE NIGHT THIS IS ITEM THIRD ITEM, THE SECOND ITEM I'M SORRY. THE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF CPA 2021 Ã10. THIS IS A SARATOGA SPRINGS BUT WELL, YOU EXPLAIN IT. I MADE I'D LIKE TO START WITH. >> THERMOSET SNAFU ON THE AGENDA I BELIEVE. >> I LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY BEFORE YOU GET STARTED. MS. FRAZIER PROVIDED A REAL NICE WRITE UP OF THE DISCONTINUATION OF THE DRI. ALSO SAW THAT WASN'T EVEN REQUIRED. IT'S JUST A STATEMENT. THEY WANT TO DISCONTINUE IT OR DID I MISREAD THAT THE. >> THEY WOULD LIKE TO AMENDED THE DRI BUT THAT'S NOT BEING HANDLED AT THIS MEETING. I WILL COME UP IN THE MEETING AND DECEMBER SHOULD THIS BE TRANSMITTED WHEN THIS WOULD COME BACK. FOR CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD. SO WITH THE DRI IMPEDIMENT THEY WON'T ABANDON. PICS ARE REALLY LOOKING AT WHAT'S CAN REPLACE IT AT THIS POINT ENOUGH SAID. >> THAT'S CORRECT. WITH YOUR PERMISSION WOULD LIKE TO LET MS. FRAZIER TO HER PRESENTATION THAT I WILL GIVE YOU STAFF COMMENTS AFTERWARDS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. MS. FRAZIER. >> EVENING SUSAN FRAZIER. REPRESENTING OWNERS IN SARATOGA SPRINGS TODAY. WHICH IS ACTUALLY PCI INVESTMENTS. THERE'S AN 11 ACRE PORTIONS OF THE STATE BAR I THAT'S OWNED BY THAT ÃCORPORATION. THERE ARE 5 ACRES OWNED BY THE CLAY COUNTY UTILITY AUTHORITY. THEY HAVE APPLICANTS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. SO, AS BETH HAS INDICATED, THE PLAN HAS BEEN TO AMENDED THE DRI. THE DRA CURRENTLY HAS A LAND USE CATEGORY CALLED PLANNED COMMUNITY. THE PLANT COMMUNITY IS REALLY THE MASTER PLAN MAP FOR THE DRI. WE LOOK ON THE LAND USE MAP IT'S A BIG BLUE SHADE. WHAT'S IN THAT BLUE SHAPE IS THE MAP THAT'S IN THE DRI. WE LOOK AT THIS FIRST SLIDE YOU WILL SEE THE LOCATION OF THE SARATOGA SPRINGS PROJECT. THAT IS CURRENTLY THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FOR THE DRI. SO THERE'S AN EAST-WEST ROAD THAT IS NOT THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. CURSED TO SCHOOL SITES. THIS AREA IN THE MIDDLE CALL THE VILLAGE CENTER. IT'S ONE OF THESE VILLAGE CENTERS. WE'VE GOT ONE ABOUT. THERE'S ABOUT 300 ACRES OF WHAT'S CALLED TOWN CENTER AND IT IS ADJACENT TO THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR AT 3:15. IT RUNS FOR ABOUT A MILE AND HALF TOWN 315. THE PLAN IS RESIDENTIAL, SCHOOLS, VILLAGE CENTER IF DISCUSSED THIS EVENING. SAME KIND OF THING AND THEN BY 300 ACRES RUNNING ALL THE WAY UP AND DOWN 315. BUT THE MAP THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY. SELF-DEVELOPMENT ORDER WAS APPROVED IN 2006. IMMEDIATELY PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE LAKE ÃMASTER PLAN. WHAT YOU SEE IN THE DRI ARE A MIRROR OF THE MASTER PLAN. THE KIND OF ALL BEING DONE AT THE SAME TIME. BACK IN 2006 LANDMARK WAS THE DEVELOPER. IN THE CURRENT LANDOWNER IS THE PCI AND RHINO CORPORATION FOR THE LAND PARTNER. THEY WERE PUTTING THE LAND IN THE DEAL AND MIRAMAR WAS NEGOTIATING THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER. SO, THEY ADOPTED THE LAKE ASPIRATE MAS WAS APPROVED. THE BOUNDARY, PATH YOU COULD GO BACK ONE TO GIVE THEM A BOUNDARY EDGE. PETERS CREEK IS THE BOUNDARY AT THE LAKE ASPIRATE MASTER PLAN. ABOUT 3 QUARTERS OF THIS PROJECT HAVE ALWAYS BEEN INSIDE THE MASTER PLAN. BUT BECAUSE IT WAS THE DRI BEFORE THE MASTER PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN ESSENCE IT HAS DEVELOPMENT ORDER. IT'S DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT THE LAKE AS PARENT LAND USE CATEGORIES. THAT'S WHAT IS WRITTEN IN ITS PDEVELOPMENT ORDER. 25 ON THE SIDE OF THE CREEK LIES WITH OUTSIDE THE ROSTER POUND PANTRY. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT. IN 2018 THE DOT FUNDED THE CONSTRUCTION FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY. WE'VE GOT THAT FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY ABOUT ONE HALF [03:20:03] LITTLE OVER ONE HALF MILE TO THE WEST OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE DRI. AN ESCALATED TO OPEN 2024. THINK LIKE COUNTY HAS FUNDED THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR WHICH WILL NOW CONNECT US 17 TO THE BELTWAY. SO THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENED KIND OF SETUP TIME PERIOD. NOTHING HAS BEEN DEALT WITH THE DRI TO DATE. THERE'S ONLY BEEN ONE PLANT CONVEYANCE AND THAT WAS TO THE UTILITY AUTHORITY. SO THE CURRENT ENTITLEMENT THIS PROPERTY ARE LISTED IN THE SLIDE. THE DRI DEVELOPMENT ORDER SAYS THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN BUILD. AND IT SAYS, EXCHANGE FOR BUILDING ALL OF THIS YOU WILL TO PUNCTURE TRANSPORTATION MITIGATION. HE WILL DONATE SCHOOL SITES. THAT'S HOW YOUR PROVIDE SCHOOLS FOR YOUR KIDS. IT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A FIRE STATION, TO A LIBRARY SITE ANNUAL DONATE 19 ACRE PUBLIC COMMUNITY PARK. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN PART OF THE DRI WORLD. FLEMING ISLAND ASSAULT WITH A TOTAL DRI. YOU'VE GOT THE CROSSINGS, IF AMOUNT. THEY WERE A TOP UNDER THESE RULES. OAKLEAF IS UNDER THESE RULES. ÃPARK HAS THE SAME KIND OF THING. THERE'S A 40 PAGE DOCUMENT THAT IS REVIEWED AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR REGIONAL IMPACTS. A LOT OF PEOPLE GET THEIR FINGERS IN IT AND DEVELOPMENT ORDER CAN TELL. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED TO REPEAL THE DRI STATUTE. THEY SAID THERE WILL BE A NUMBER DRI'S OF FLORIDA. AND THE CONVERSATION OF THE TIMELESS, THE FIRST YEAR I AM FLORIDA IT WAS ACTUALLY ORANGE PARK SOUTH OR ARGYLE. BOTH OF THOSE ARE DONE LIKE 1975. OVER THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS MASTER PLANNING. MOST LOCAL GOVERNMENTS DIDN'T HAVE STAFF. DIDN'T HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO NEGOTIATE WITH THESE BIG DEVELOPERS ARE COMING IN FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND SAYING I WANT TO BUILD. ARGYLE'S 9000 ACRES. HERE ROBERT WE DID THE FIRST ONE OF 220. AT THAT POINT LEGISLATURE SAYS WOULD HELP YOU. BURDEN OF ORIGINAL REVIEW PROCESS. LOOK AT HOW TRANSPORTATION PLANNERS ARE PEOPLE WHO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. RESOURCES THAT USE LOCAL GOVERNMENT PROBABLY DON'T HELP. CLAY COUNTY CERTAINLY DOES NOT HAVE A 1975 WHEN THESE THINGS WERE REVIEWED. BY THE TIME 20 CAME ALONG LEGISLATURE SAID, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE FIGURED IT OUT. THEY HAVE THEIR EXPERTISE. THEY KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE THESE KIND OF PRODUCTS AND THEY MADE THAT PROCESS GO AWAY. YOU CANNOT HAVE A NEW DRA IN FLORIDA. SO WE ARE VESTED THROUGH AN OLD SYSTEM WITHOUT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. SO, PLEASE. SINCE SARATOGA SPRINGS WAS IMPROVED TO 2006. SEE THESE MAPS IN THESE PRESENTATIONS. DEVELOPMENT HAS FOUND AS PART OF THE COUNTY. TOZER TAKES THIS PROPERTY WAS WAY OUT THERE. I MEAN IT WAS COWS AND GRAIN SILOS AND NEVER, NEVER LAND. NO IT'S NOT. NOW THERE'S WILLOW SPRINGS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. MAGGIE RULLI POINT WEST. AT ABOUT ISLAND ACROSS CREEK BOTH UNDER CONSTRUCTION. GARY PARK IS GETTING READY TO START BELLA LAGO THE SAME THING. SO NOW THIS IS LIKE THE RIGHT PROJECT. THIS IS THE NEXT PROJECT TO DO. SO, WHEN WE TALKED TO CHARLIE. THE LAND OWNERS ABOUT THE STEP TO TAKE. DRI'S PROVIDE A LOT OF STRUCTURE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF ADMINISTRATION. AT A LOT OF REVIEW. SOME OF THE STATE SAID THAT'S REALLY ALL EXTRA NOW. YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DO THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT LINK ASBURY MASTER PLAN A LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT ORDER WE HAVE OTHER ALMOST MIRROR EXAMPLES OF EACH OTHER. IT WAS A DECISION TO CARE THE DRI FORWARD CARRIED ALL THAT EXTRA ADMINISTRATION. EXTRA WORK FOR ACCOUNTING AND WENT ON TO MONITOR OVER PERIOD OF TIME. AND SO, THE IMPLICATION IS WHERE PAIN THE DUANTE WRIGHT REPLACE IT WITH REGULAR LAND USE CATEGORIES. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT I THINK. THIS IS A PICTURE I THANK YOU SAW VERSION OF THIS OF ONE OF YOUR PRESENTATIONS. THESE ARE THE ROADS IN THE AREA THAT ARE EITHER FUNDED BY THE COUNTY PRIVATELY FUNDED THAT HAVE CREATED THE NETWORK FOR LIKE US BERRIES. THESE ARE INVESTMENTS WE'VE HAD SINCE 2006. NEXT PLEASE. WE ARE PROPOSING TO BRING ENTITLED THIS PROPERTY WITH ONE THIS ESSENTIALLY LAND USE CATEGORIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO IT. [03:25:03] SO, EVERYTHING IN LINK ASBURY ABOUT WEST SIDE OF THE CREEK. WE HAVE A VILLAGE CENTER NOW. IT'LL BE LIKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER. THE BIG GREEN AREA IS LIKE US. GREENWAY. TESTIFYING ABOUT BOUNDARY OF MAJOR WETLAND SYSTEM WE HAVE THE SURVEYS. AS LITTLE TO THE PEACE AGREEMENT CONNECTS THE WETLANDS OVER BY MR. MARTIN'S CROSS CREEK AND THE PIECE OF THE SOUTH OF THE GRANT REPORT. THERE'S A LITTLE GREEN DEATH TO LINK ASBURY GREENBELT OVERLAY. THIS EXACTLY MIRRORS LAND USE CATEGORIES IN LINK ASBURY. LOT SIZES, DESIGN STANDARDS, EVERYTHING YOU ARE SEEING APPLIES TO US. EXACTLY PRICE TO US. THIS PARTICULAR SITE INCLUDES 2 SCHOOL SITES. THE DOUBLEÁSINGLEÁAPART SAYS NORTH /SOUTH ONE. WE BEEN WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE CURRENT DRI SAYS YOU WILL DO AN ELEMENTARY ENERGY IN HIGH SCHOOL. 77 ACRES. SO WE APPROACH MR. FOSSE ACCENT MAKING SOME CHANGES. WHAT YOU THINK. HE'S VISIBLE I DON'T NEED AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL. I NEED A K-8 AND I NEED HIGH SCHOOL. SO THESE ARE 2 SITES THAT WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. THEY HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD WILL CONSIDER RUPTURE AGREEMENT ON THURSDAY NIGHT. THAT COMMITS TO CREATE THE 77 ACRE SCHOOL CAMPUSES. ANTICIPATE IMPACT FEES AND MEET THE TERMS OF THE CURRENT DRI. WHICH SAYS WE HAVE TO BUILD THE MILL ROAD WHICH IS LABELS NORTH-SOUTH ONE. TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE SCHOOLS. AT THE TIME THE SCHOOLS ARE READY TO BE BUILT. MR. FOSSE'S CERTAINLY KNOWS MORE THAN I DO. THESE 2 SCHOOLS ARE IN HIS FUTURE EDUCATION FACILITIES PLAN. THERE ARE SO SUPPOSED TO OPEN IN 2027. THUS A LOSS. QUICK SCHOOL AFTER START ÃIN HIGH SCHOOL. >> I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. TO SAY THAT DEVELOPER BE RESPONSIBLE FOR S1. >> THEY WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO BUILD ON THE WEB TO SANDRIDGE BUT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED, THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR SUPPOSED TO OPEN AT 2024. THEY WILL BUILD NORTH ON THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR UP TO THE SOUTHERN SCHOOL SITE. THE DUANTE WRIGHT, OUR GOAL WAS TO BANDED WAS TO SAY WE HAVE MADE ALL THESE COMMITMENTS AND WE'VE KEPT THOSE OBLIGATIONS IN OUR CURRENT PROPOSAL THAT OUR INTENTION IS TO CARRY ALL THE THINGS WE SAID WE WOULD DO BEFORE, FORWARD INTO THE MUD WAS PLAN. THE AGREEMENT WITH THE SCHOOL ACTUALLY SAYS WE BRING IN ROADS, ELECTRIC, WATER, SEWER AND TO THE SITE FOR THEM WHEN THEY ARE BELIEVED THEY WILL BE AT MIRROR THAT AGREEMENT. ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE CREEK NOT LIKE ASBURY ANYMORE. THE ADJACENT LAND USE FOR WILLOW SPRINGS AND EVERYTHING I LOSE SIDE OF THE STREET IS REAL FRIENDS. REFERRING ROLE FRIENDS IS NOT LIKE LIKE SPERRY. WAS ON THE 40 PAGE YOU WILL BUILD. WE SUBMITTED AS AN APPLICATION WHICH YOU WILL NOT HERE TONIGHT BUT YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE YOU NOVEMBER. AGAIN I THINK THE STAFF IS LOOKING AT THIS IS TO DO THIS IN CHUNKS. THE LOOK OF THE ZONING. THE REAL FRIENDS ZONING IS ESSENTIALLY RURAL FRENCH AND LIKE SPERRY. DO THE PARKS, TO THE BLOCK LINKS ABOUT MEET ALL THE CRITERIA JUST LIKE YOU WERE IN LINK OUT SPERRY. SWIFT CARRIED THOSE REGULATIONS THAT APPLY WITHIN LAKE ASBERRY TO OUR PROPERTY EVEN THE OUTSIDE. SO YOU WILL CONSIDER THAT AS A PUD APPLICATION FOR THE RURAL FRENCH. THE COMMERCIAL AND THE MIXED-USE ARE A CONSOLIDATION OF WHAT WAS CALLED THE TOWN CENTER AT THE DRI. THE DRI ALLOWED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT WAS ALLOWED TO BE LOCATED ANYWHERE WITHIN THAT TOWN CENTER. IF YOU REMEMBER THE FIRST MAP YOU LOOK TOP. THAT COULD'VE BEEN LOCATED LIKE A BIG STRIPMALL. RUN ALONG COUNTY ROAD 315. THERE'S, IT WAS DEFINED AS TO [03:30:02] LOCATION. THIS IS MORE THE CENTER GETTING RESTRICT DEVELOPMENT. THE SPIRIT WHICH IS A LAND USE CATEGORY COMP PLAN. WHICH IS A MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, HYPERTENSION RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL USES. THERE'S ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ARE. THE WHITE BOX. SOUTH OF THE COMMERCIAL MR. PROCESS NEXT TO OPEN. HE WILL OPEN 2023. SO, THAT WAS PART OF THE PLAN WILL BE DATED THE DRI PREVIOUSLY. SO WE ARE HERE BECAUSE WHEN THEY TAKE AWAY THE DRI THAT WILL BE A BLANK PIECE OF PAPER FOR THE LAND-USE. BECAUSE LAND-USE IS DRI. OUR PROPOSAL IS BOTH AS INDICATED IS TO COME TO THIS SO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. GO THE STATE FOR COMMENT. IT'LL COME BACK. THE ADOPTION WILL GO TO THE BOARD PROBABLY DECEMBER 14. AT THAT TIME WE WILL RELINQUISH WHAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE THEY WILL THEN ADOPT WILBUR ASKING FOR. IT'S A TIMELY THING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ALL THE PIECES PUT TOGETHER. SO IF YOU CAN BETH, AT THE NEXT LIGHT.THIS IS THE PROPOSED LAND-USE ENTITLEMENTS. FOR THOSE OF YOU HAVE DONE THE LAND-USE APPLICATIONS AND YOU'VE ALWAYS IS A FIRST-TIME DENSITY. ANCHORS TIMES DENSITY. PARKS CLOSE TO THE CREEK, THERE'S 1826 ACRES. 1430 OUR MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY. 46 AS A VILLAGE CENTER. THE DENSITY SEE THIS IN THE LAKE ASBERRY PLAN. 77 ACRES FOR SCHOOL SITES. 58 FOR THE LAKE ASBERRY GREENWAY. WHICH IS A WETLAND SYSTEM. ACCESS TO THIS PARCEL WILL BE AVAILABLE VIA THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR COMING FROM ENOUGH FOR THE EAST AND THE WEST. THAT ROAD WILL OPEN 2024. SEE RIGHT NOW YOU CAN GET TO THIS PROPERTY. IT'S HALF AN HOUR EXPRESS POINT OF SIN APPEARS CREEK. >> EAST APPEARS CREEK WHERE 593 ACRES. THE VAST MAJORITY, AGAIN THE PUD E-BOOK AND CENTER. ESSENTIALLY AS LAKE ASBERRY REQUIREMENTS ARE RURAL FRENCH. WHERE SEEKING 90 ACRES OF THERE FOR 20 UNITS PER ACRE. THE WEIGHT MISUSE WORKS IS NOT AN ACREAGE OR PERCENTAGE LIKE IT IS ANOTHER CATEGORIES. IT'S A SQUARE FOOTAGE PER DWELLING UNIT. 5 BUILD 500 DWELLING UNITS I HAVE TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF 100 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL FOR EACH UNIT. AND A MAXIMUM OF 750 SQUARE FEET. SO I CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT A COMMERCIAL WITH MORE RESIDENTIAL OR HAVE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL. IT GIVES YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY DECEIVED THE MARKETS LIKE. >> COMMERCIAL QUOTE TODAY THE AGE OF AMAZON AND ALL OF THE ONLINE SHOPPING THAT WE DO IS A DIMINISHING RETURN IN OUR MIND. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WILL GO. JUST CONTINUES TO BE LESS AND LESS OF A SHOPPING ENVIRONMENT. MORE OF A RESTAURANT ENVIRONMENT. THAT WILL BE THE DEVELOPER'S DECISION. THEY WILL HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY. ON THIS 42 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL THAT BUTTS UP AGAINST 315. 77 ACRES OF CONSERVATION. THERE IS A COMMITMENT FOR THE 90 ACRE PUBLIC COMMUNITY PARK. THAT WE HAVE THE DEAL TODAY. THAT WILL BE CARRIED FORWARD. THAT WILL BE CARRIED FOR THE OF THE PUD. >> THAT IS ACTUALLY NOMINAL AMOUNT. SOUNDS A LAND-USE ISSUE. WITH HIS OWN HE COMES BACK THAT WILL BE REPRESENTED. THE PERSON HAS ACCESS TO 315 SO IT'S AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT TODAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. >> THAT WE LOOK AT LAND-USE AND LAND USE CHANGES IS WHAT DO YOU HAVE VERSUS WHAT DO YOU WANT AND WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? >> ONLY COMPARE THE ATONEMENT WE HAVE READ THE DRI WITH THE INTERMENTS WE HAVE I USED CATEGORY FORSAKING. THIS ONLY 383 OR DWELLING UNITS ENOUGH BASED ON THE MAXIMUM VICINITY ON THE MAXIMUM ACRES. THERE'S A LOT MORE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL. THAT'S BECAUSE ACCOUNTING COMPLEXES COMMERCIAL IS .7 FIR. AS A MAXIMUM. FOR LAND-USE WE WILL SEE HOW WE CAN BUILD THAT. .7 FIR IS A 4 STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING. AND SO IT'S VERY LIKELY EXPECT TO SEE THAT. WE HAVE TO IN ALL HONESTLY TELL YOU IT'S PERMITTED. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE REFLECT IS CAN HAPPEN. THAT'S WHEN THE MOUTH TAKES US. SO TODAY UNDER WHAT WERE ASKING FOR VERSUS WHAT WE HAVE. [03:35:06] AT SLIGHTLY MORE DWELLING UNITS. AT ABOUT 650,000 SQUARE FEET MORE OFFICE AND COMMERCIAL. SO IF THIS IS APPROVED THIS IS WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE. TAKE THE WEST SIDE OF PETERS CREEK MAKE IT LOOK JUST LIKE LINK AS BARRY. IT WOULD BE BROWN MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY AROUND VILLAGE PARK CIRCLE. SINCE WE OWN VILLAGE CENTER CIRCLE AND THE DEVELOPER OWNS BOTH SIDES. ULTIMATELY THEY WILL BRING THE SITE PLAN INTO THE STAFF AND SAY HERE'S MY DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WILL SET THE SHAPE OF THE VILLAGE CENTER. IT COULD BE NO MORE THAN 42 ACRES. THEN ON THE EAST SIDE YOU WILL SEE A CONTINUATION OF THE WORLD FRENCH THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET YOU WILL SEE THE COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE THAT'S THERE. A TYPICAL LAND-USE APPLICATION. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OF THE INCREASED IMPACTS TO RECREATION. THAT'S AN APPLICATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DIVE INTO NUMBERS WE ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT. ALL THE SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WANT. MCCLAIN COUNTY REPEALED TRANSPORTATION CONCURRENCY IN 2020. AND IMPLEMENTED ÃFEE. THE INTERMENTS WE ARE PROPOSING WILL PAY ABOUT $50 MILLION IN MOBILITY FEES. BASED ON THE CURRENT RATE. THE DECREASE IS A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR. WHITE HOUSE $50 MILLION FOR THE RANCH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. SO, WHAT WE HAVE SOME DETAILS TO BE FINALIZED. WITH MET WITH COMMISSIONERS AND, ONE MORE. WE SET UP MEETINGS WITH TROY FROM LIBRARIES AND COMPLETE FOR RECREATION AND CHIEF UP FOR THE FIRE STATION. TO CONFIRM THESE ARE SITES THAT THEY FIND TO BE IN THEIR FUTURE PLANS. GUESSWORK OF WHAT A FIRESTONE OCEAN IN THIS AREA. MAKE SURE IT'S WHERE THEY WANTED THEN THAT WILL BE A COMMITMENT WE WILL MAKE.HERE WALKING THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT FITS INTO THEIR BIGGER PLAN AND IF THERE IS ADJUSTMENTS TO BE MADE WILL MAKE THOSE. WE'LL SEE THOSE BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD MEETING ON OCTOBER 26. NOW, OCTOBER 26 IS A TRANSMITTAL HEARING FOR THE BOARD. SELF ONLINE STATION OF COMMITMENTS AND AGREEMENTS AND OBLIGATIONS CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON BECAUSE THEY WILL COME BACK FROM ADOPTION. >> WE THINK THIS WILL MORE ITEM TO DISCUSS THIS EVENING THAT IS WHAT WERE SEEKING YOUR DIRECTION. WE REQUESTED A DENSITY FOR MIXED USE. OVER 20 UNITS PER ACRE. THAT'S IN YOUR POCKET TODAY. TALKING WITH STAFF THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT INCREASING THE INTENSITY. AGAINST ITS MIXED USE FOR ALL THE CATEGORY OF MIXED-USE PROPERTIES. IN CLAY COUNTY. BOTH OF CHANGE TO GET TO SLEEP BY YOURSELF, THERE ARE 3 PARCELS TODAY. ANYBODY WANTING MIXED-USE THE HOBBY, ASKING FOR IT AND YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE IT TO THEM. SO I COULD BESTOW THIS RIGHT ON A LOT OF VACANT LAND. AND BE A WINDFALL. STAFF, INDICATED THEY WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE IF INSTEAD OF 16 UNITS PER ACRE AS THE BASE DENSITY THAT INSTEAD WOULD BE THE DENSITY ALLOWED TO PROVIDE LOW MODERATE ELDERLY OR HANDICAPPED HOUSING. HAVE A TABLE. THIS IS A TABLE OUT OF THIS POLICY. IF I CAN GET YOU TO PASS IT OUT. >> THOSE WHO SAID THAT'S LITTLE CHANGED FROM WHAT WE HAVE HERE. >> RIGHT, WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IT SAYS WOULD LIKE MIXED-USE AT 20. STAFF REPORTS HAD TAKEN SUPPORT 20 F IS FOR THE SKY HOUSING. NOT AT THE BASE. OR SAYING IS YOU RECOMMEND WITH THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. THIS IS WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. THIS IS REFLECTIVE OF THE STAFF REPORT WOULD PRODUCE. SO THIS IS THE TABLE WHERE THE DENSITY IS DEFINED IN THE FUTURE LAND-USE ELEMENT. AGAIN THIS LIKENESS. THIS IS 20/40 COMP PLAN. IF YOU GO DOWN TO MIXED-USE WHICH IS THE ONE FROM THE BOTTOM. IN YOUR PACKET IT SAYS 20 UNDER THE BASE DENSITY. I WANT THE STAFF IS [03:40:05] RECOMMENDING IS THAT THAT STATE 16 AND THE 20 GO IN THE FAR COLUMN.O THE 4: THIS MAKES THIS VERY MUCH LIKE URBAN CORE. URBAN CORE IS 10 UNITS PER ACRE. 16 ACRES PER UNIT FOR THE SAME KIND OF HOUSING. THE POLICY, THE TABLE JUST GAVE YOU THERE'S A POLICY IN THE NEXT PAGE. THIS LANGUAGE IS REFLECTIVE OF WHAT'S IN THE DRI TODAY. THE DRI ALLOWS ACTUALLY SEEKS TO HAVE WORKFORCE HOUSING CONSTRUCTED. IT SAYS YOU'RE GONNA BE NEXT TO INTERSTATE. YOU'RE GONNA BE A BIG MISS MIXED DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT YOU TO BITE WORKFORCE HOUSING. POSSIBLE THIS LANGUAGE STARTED. IT ISN'T SOMETHING I MADE UP I PULLED OUT THE DRI THIS IS SAID. OBO LOOKED AT THAT THE TABLE ACTUALLY USES A TERM, LOW AND MODERATE. ELDERLY OR HANDICAPPED. THAT'S A COUNTY POLICY. THE FLORIDA STATUTE USES THOSE TERMS WHEN YOU'RE NOT A DRI. LOW MODERATE AND ELDERLY AND HANDICAPPED. BUT WE THINK HANDICAP SHOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE. THE DRI STATUTE IS ONE THAT USES THE TERM, WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT'S ABOUT TERM COMES FROM. THAT'S WHY IT'S IN HER DRI. WHAT ABOUT THE NIGHT LOOKED OUT EARLIER TODAY. WORKFORCE HOUSING IS EXACTLY EQUAL DEFINITION TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSING. IT'S A NICE WAY OF SAYING MODERATE INCOME HOUSING WITHOUT SAINT MODERATE INCOME HOUSING. WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SECOND PAGE TAKES THE TERM WORKFORCE OUT BECAUSE WE DECIDED THAT MODERATE IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING IS WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO, THE TABLE IN THE FRONT IS PWHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. THE TEXT ON THE SECOND PAGE DESCRIBES WHAT THAT MEANS. NOW, WE TALKED FURTHER ABOUT THE TEXT IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH AFTER THE TEXT THAT IS STRICKEN. PRESS THE PART ABOUT THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. ACCOUNTING IS A SHIP COORDINATOR AND I BELIEVE SHE WAS OUT OF TOWN FOR THENEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. I THINK STAFF GOT A HOLD OF HER TODAY OR YESTERDAY AND SAID, HATE THIS LANGUAGE IS IN A DRI. THIS IS WHAT WE DO? THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO SAY WE ARE DOING? >> I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS PERHAPS NOT. COUNTY DOESN'T NECESSARILY ACT AS A THIRD-PARTY BENEFICIARY. HEY DON'T ADMINISTER THIS KIND OF PROGRAM IN THIS PARTICULAR MANNER. SO, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING YOU THIS EVENING THAT YOU ALLOW US THE DISCRETION TO WORK BEST OF AND WHATEVER YOUR SHIP COORDINATOR WANTS TO PUT IN HERE ABOUT OR ANYTHING ABOUT HOW YOU MANAGE THESE KIND OF PROGRAMS. THAT'S WHAT WE WILL GO TO THE BOARD.WE DON'T CARE WHAT IT IS IT'S WHATEVER THE COUNTY DOES. THERE'S JUST NOT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE. IN MY TURNOUT THAT THEY DON'T WANT THAT LANGUAGE AT ALL. BECAUSE THIS IS PROBABLY BETTER IN A LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATION THAN ANY COMP PLAN. THIS IS WHO DOCTOR TESA CROSSES THE EYES. ALL THAT SAID, WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IN THE WHOLE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND THAT LOOKS LIKE THE TABLE ON THE FIRST PAGE. AND THAT YOU ACCEPT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE TEXT. ALLOW US, ALLOW STAFF, BUT EVEN MEET TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT SECOND PARAGRAPH LOOKS LIKE. WE DON'T CARE WHAT THAT IS. IT IS WHATEVER IT WILL TURN OUT TO BE. THIS LANGUAGE IS ONCE IN HER DRI TODAY. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE IT. >> IS NOT IT? >> I THINK THAT'S IT. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? >> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. FOR THIS CHANGER TO GO TO THE BOARD BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT WE ADVERTISE. WE WOULD HAVE TO RE-ADVERTISE BEFORE THE BOARD MEETING JUST MAKE SURE WE ARE PROPERLY NOTICED. >> JUST ONE SECOND. SO, COURTNEY. I'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO SEND A CONCEPT RATHER THAN LANGUAGE TO THE BOARD BEFORE. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT OF EVENT WE SIMPLY STRIKE THAT AND LET THE BOARD COME BACK IF THEY WANTED. >> YOU CAN SHAPE YOUR RECOMMENDATION HOWEVER YOU WANT. THEN WE STRUGGLED WITH THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS ADVERTISE FOR PEOPLE TO COMMENT ON AVON IN FRONT OF YOU. IF YOU HAVE THIS IDEA CONCEPT THAT WE ADVERTISE IT AND BRING IT TO THE BOARD LISA PROVIDES A NOTICE THERE. [03:45:06] IT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT ADVERTISE DEBRIS PRESENTED TO YOU.>> MORE SPECIFICALLY TO THE POINT. WE HAVE LANGUAGE THERE WHICH APPARENTLY THAT SHIP COORDINATOR MAY NOT BE HAPPY WITH. I THINK WE STILL HAVE TO APPROVE THIS LANGUAGE AND THEN AS OFTEN HAPPENS THE SPECIFICS CAN BE CHANGED BETWEEN NOW AND THE BOARD MEETING. >> I THINK WHAT SUSAN IS ASKING FOR IS FOR YOU TO GIVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITH STAFF TO COME UP WITH THE LANGUAGE. >> I MEAN AS FAR AS WHATEVER WE DO AS A RECOMMENDATION HAS TO INCLUDE THIS LANGUAGE AND MAY BE A CAVEAT THAT IT COULD BE CHANGED. >> RIGHT. >> WHO'S GOT QUESTIONS? >> I DID MR. CHECK. AS ALWAYS VERY THOROUGH PRESENTATION. THINK IT WAS FRAZIER. JUSTICE LAST PIECE. TO UNDERSTAND IT IT'S A MIXED DEVELOPMENT THAT EXCEED 16 TOLLING UNITS PER ACRE. AUTOMATICALLY DEFAULT WHAT WE USED TO CALL WORKFORCE HOUSING. ALBERT CALLING AT LOW OR MODERATE. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT THE LANDOWNERS ARE OKAY WITH A REQUIREMENT TO SET ASIDE ANYTHING THAT SEES A 16 TOLLING UNITS AS OUR PORTION OF THEIR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEN WITH ENFORCEABLE HOUSING ORGANIZATIONS DEFINED BY THE COUNTY. MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND. IF THE APPLICANT IS SUGGESTING THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO OUR PART. THAT'S A HUGE BONUS. I THINK AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS DIFFICULT. IT'S DIFFICULT TO PROVIDE BECAUSE PRICING IS SO LABOR AND MATERIAL IS SO EXPENSIVE. BY CREATING DENSITY WE ARE ABLE TO OR SHOULD SAY DEVELOPER MUSIC COUNTY ARE ABLE TO TELL THAT COST BASIS.SO FORKS CAN AFFORD. I GET THE PREMISE BEHIND US. I THINK, IS MY UNDERSTANDING THIS RIGHT. >> AFTER SAY WE HAVE THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE HOUSING DEVELOPER AS THE APPLICANT. I THINK MR. GRETZKY CAN THOROUGHLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >> TO FOLLOW UP. IT SEEMS LIKE FROM THAT LANGUAGE WE ARE CRATING RENT-CONTROLLED APARTMENTS. >> OF THE POLICY YOU HAVE NOW PASS THIS LANGUAGE. AND YOU ALLOW IT IN RULE FRINGE, URBAN FRINGE, URBAN CORE URBAN CORE TODAY. THIS POLICY IS IN PLACE. THAT HEADING THAT SAYS LOW MODERATE INCOME THUS THE HEADING TODAY. >> WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT VERSUS PARENTAL SHALL BE MANAGED THROUGH A PROGRAM SUPERVISED BY THE COUNTY OR SOME ORGANIZATION FOR PERIOD OF 20 YEARS. THAT SAYS TO ME IN INCOME LIMIT. IT'S ALMOST LIKE RENT-CONTROLLED PROPERTIES. YES SIR. YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE PROJECTED TELL US ANYWAY. >> ÃÃ63 OLD CHURCH ROAD. I HAVE EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE FOR 20 YEARS OR BETTER BUILDING LOW MODERATE AND MARKET RATE HOUSING. IN CLAY COUNTY. IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IS ALSO. I JUST LIKE TO DIALOGUE A LITTLE BIT WITH YOU HOW THE ECONOMICS OF THE STUFF WORKS. BECAUSE EVERYBODY FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS HAS BEEN SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR CLAY COUNTY APPEAL, FOR THE RENTS THAT ARE HERE. I AGREE, THAT'S TRUE. IT IS PARTLY BECAUSE OF WHAT MICHAEL SENT. COST GOING UP SO HIGH. WHEN GOING UP SO HIGH. YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY BUILD A MARKET RATE APARTMENT WHICH EVERYBODY WOULD RATHER SEE THEN HAVE THESE SUBSIDIES AND CONTROLLED WOULD RATHER SEE BUT WE CAN'T DO IT AT THIS DENSITY. 16 UNITS OF THE ACRE OFFERED THE RENTS ARE CURRENTLY 1800. >> OBTAINED FOR 5 YEARS. >> FOR 7 OPPORTUNITIES HELP. >> THE FIBRILLATION SUIT WE APARTMENT WITH THE PLACEMENT BY THE LEICA IT'S LIFESTYLE. SOME OF THE LIVING APARTMENTS [03:50:06] BECAUSE. >> IF YOU WANT TO GO WE CAN LOCK THE DOOR AND LEAVE. >> WITH THE WHOLE SEGMENT THAT A RENTERS BY CHOICE. TRICIA ONLY BECAUSE HAVING APARTMENTS AND PEOPLE CAN AFFORD SO AS A GATEWAY TO BUYING A SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSE. THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIKE THAT LIFESTYLE THEY GET MARRIED AND THEY HAVE KIDS NOW THE APARTMENT IS NOT GOOD ANYMORE AND THEY MOVE OUT BY OUR HOUSES. SO THERE'S A WHOLE CIRCLE THAT MAKES SENSE TO THIS. IT'S JUST THAT THE ARTIFICIAL LIMITATION WOULD BE FOR TODAY'S SUBPOINTS. WERE TALKING TRASH TO THE ACRE. I'M OLD ENOUGH BECAUSE IT'S WAY PAST MY BEDTIME. I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WAY BACK WHEN CLAY COUNTY HAD 20 UNITS TO THE ACRE. THERE WAS A BIG TURMOIL BECAUSE HUD HOUSING HAD SUCH A BAD NAME THAT GOT ASSOCIATED WITH ANY APARTMENTS. SO, THERE ACTIVIST THAT PUTS THE DENSITY DOWN TO 10 UNITS PER ACRE. I JUST MADE THE PROBLEM MUCH WORSE. THERE WAS A WHOLE EVOLUTION OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, CONSTRUCTION. WE MISSED OUT ON BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK. >> IS NOT THAT NONE WERE BILLED. ONLY IF THEY GOT THE LAND SHE THEN THEY COULD MAKE IT WORK. THAT SHIP HAS SAILED. SO, MY. [BLEEP] WERE ORIGINALLY SUSAN I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS MANY TIMES. I SAID LOOK AT. THEY'RE BUILDING APARTMENTS IN JACKSONVILLE AT 25 AND 30 UNITS PER ACRE. THERE ARE 4 AND 5 STORIES TALL. UNTIL THEY GOT THE RENTS DOWN. I'M NOT SUGGESTING GO TO THAT BUT I'M JUST IT WOULD COME OFF ON 60 THAT WE BOTH STUCK ON FOREVER. I ASKED FOR A 24 UNITS PER ACRE AS THE BASEMENT SO WE COULD BUILD MARKET RATE HOUSING AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MODERATE INCOME MODERATE INCOME HOUSING NOW IS TALK ABOUT PEOPLE LIVING $60,000 A YEAR. THAT'S WILL RENT THESE. A LOT OF PEOPLE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES DON'T MAKE THAT MUCH. SO, IT'S JUST NURSES AND THE TECHNICIANS OF THE HOSPITALS GOES THE PEOPLE THAT MODERATE RATE HOUSING WILL GO FOR. IS TO HOPE TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT TO GET THEM MARKET RATE HOUSING. MICHAEL HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. >> WE COULD BUILD A RATE HOW SIGNIFICANT GETS 24 AND THE ACRE I GAVE UP ON THAT. BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A DRAMATIC CHANGE FROM 16. SAID OKAY,, LET'S GO TO THE 20 BASE AND GIVE US A BONUS TO 24. SO, THAT'S MY PROPOSAL. NO, FALL ON THE SWORD OVER IT. JUST SOMEBODY THAT KNOWS MULTI FAMILY HOUSING BACKWARDS AFFORD. IT'S WHAT WE NEED TO TAKE THE COUNTY FOR CONSERVE OUR POPULATION 10 YEARS FROM NOW. ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> HAVE A QUESTION. FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE TO PROVIDE THE HOUSING FOREIGN STATE FIRST RESPONDERS AND TEACHERS. WHAT KIND OF DENSITY WOULD YOU RECOMMEND? >> IF YOU WANT STATE MARKET RATE HOUSING ANY IF YOU WANT TO 20, THAT HELPS. THAT GIVES A DENSITY BONUS TO 24 4 MODERATE INCOME AGAINST THOSE PEOPLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> OF A QUESTION FOR STAFF ACTUALLY. >> THANK YOU. AT A DENSITY OF 24 FOR THIS MULTIFAMILY. HOW DOES THAT STRIKE YOU. WHAT IS ENTAILED? >> WELL. TALKED WITH SUSAN ABOUT A 20. NOT WITHOUT OWNERS UP TO 24. M I MISUNDERSTANDING? >> THERE ASKING YOU. IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED 24. WHICH WAS FULL PRICE CONSTANT RATE HOUSING. IT DIDN'T INVOLVE ANY MODERATE INCOME. IMPLICIT NUMBERS UP CONSIDERABLY FROM PRIOR DRI. THIS HOWEVER TRY TO KEEP IT PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT EXISTED. WHAT WAS APPROVED ALREADY. THE 24 REALLY WAS HIGHER THAN WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. >> WENT OF MEMORY 383 ROUGHLY X SINGLE-FAMILY UNITS AND 640,000 [03:55:03] EXTRA COMMERCIAL SPACE. SQUARE FOOTAGE. IS IT ROUGHLY GOT THE RIGHT NUMBERS. >> THAT'S BASED ON THE 20. YES. >> THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. IS IT BASED ON THE 24TH. WE MAY NOT HAVE THESE NUMBERS SO FORGIVE ME IF ARE PUSHING TO MUCH. >> BUT WITHOUT 22 I GUESS MULTI FAMILY NUMBERS? >> IS GOING TO INCREASE BOTH THINGS. YOUR COMMERCIALS TRYING TO MULTIFAMILY NEXT CATEGORY. AVENUE THOSE NUMBERS STILL? >> EXCUSE CATEGORY THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS DENSITY TO THE WEIGHT MATH HAS BEEN DONE IS 54 ACRES OF RESIDENTIAL. SO 54 ACRES HOW FORMER UNITS PER ACRE. 2224. AND I'VE GOT 250 MORE HOUSES. FOR THE HOUSE OUT OF THE PICTURE. BUT RESIDENTIAL OR THE COMMERCIAL THAT WOULD BE UP TO 750 SQUARE FEET TIMES 250 HOUSES. Á50 MORE HOUSES. INSTEAD OF 300 83 EXTRA WEIGHT OF 550. 600. THE COMMERCIAL WOULD GO UP. WERE NOT FIXATED ON THE COMMERCIAL BECAUSE WERE NOT PUTTING SQUARE FEET INTO FINANCIAL. >> THE MATH WORKS THAT WAY BUT WE DON'T SEE IT. I THINK THE CONCERN IS RESIDENTIAL. THAT WOULD BE THE IMPLICATIONS ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE. NOW IF IT WERE 28 UNIT BASE THAN 24 FOR THE LOAN MODERATE. AGAIN, THAT'S WAY YOUR OFFERING AN INCENTIVE TO PROVIDE HOUSING TYPE THINGS THAT THEY WANT AND IT MAY HAVE THE INCREASE POSSIBLE. >> JUST A QUESTION. WE'RE ALWAYS PUSHING FOR FOLKS WORK IN CLAY COUNTY NOT JUST BE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY TO THE OTHER ONES. WENT TO VAUGHN ST. JOHN. THIS OR ANYTHING, PLATED IN THIS FOR LIGHT MANUFACTURING, MANUFACTURING. WE TALKED ABOUT OFFICE BUILDING 4 OFFICE. I'M ASSUMING THEY'LL FALL SOME OF IT THAN THE COMMERCIAL DESIGNATION. >> IT DOES. WE HAVE NO INDUSTRIAL BUT IT WOULD COME IN UNDER THE OFFICER COMMERCIAL. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR ME. >> ON PAGE 6 THERE'S NUMBERS FOR HOUSING UNITS. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THIS, SAYS DRI. >> IS AT THE POWERPOINT? >> THIS APPLICATION PAGE 6 OF THE PACKET WE HAVE HERE. JUST TRY TO FIGURE OUT ON PAGE 6 IT SAYS, COMMERCIAL PRICE WITH YEAR I 4056 JOINT UNITS MOVIE CONVERTED AS 5500 TO ADDRESS WORKFORCE HOUSING NEEDS AND PROVISION OF SUCH HOUSING MAXIMUM OF AN ADDITIONAL 393 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. THEY MAY MEET THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS PERMANENT. 5893. >> THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S WOULD CARRY FORWARD A WORKHOUSE OBLIGATION. THE IDEA THAT STOUT HAD, THE INCREASED DENSITY YOU WANT SHOULD BE FOR THAT HOUSING TYPE. IT STARTS TO CARRY THE CURRENT CONDITION FOR BLOOD WAS A GOOD SUGGESTION. WE WERE FINE WITHOUT. I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO HOW WILL THAT BE ADMINISTERED. I WILL TALK ABOUT THOUGHT. WHETHER THE DENSITY BONUS SHOULD BE FROM 16 TO 20 OR 20 TO 24. I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOUSING. WE HAVE OUT NOW. >> I AGREE HUNDRED PERCENT. ASK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A FEW SUSAN. I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THIS BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN HERE SOMEWHERE. BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT SPECIFICALLY. LET ME FIND IT. >> DOCTOR OF THE SCHOOLS ARE READY. YOU COMMUNITY ENCOURAGED SCHOOLS. >> IF CHIEF MARK TELLS US THIS IS THE LOCATIONS INDEFINITELY. KETOSIS KNOW THE COUNTY HAS NO PLANS. COUNTY COMMISSIONS COULD SAY WE WANT ANYWAY. WERE TO WORK WITH THEM. OUR SUSPICION IS YES THE COUNTY WILL WANT A FIRE STATION AND A COMMUNITY CENTER. >> EVERYTHING THAT WAS MENTIONED WAS LIBRARY. >> THAT'S IN THE DEAL TODAY. WE'VE HAD A HALLWAY CONVERSATION WITH TROY DAIGLE AND HE SAYS WE DON'T BUILD LOVERS ANYMORE MAYBE WE MOVED TO COMMUNITY CENTERS. COORDINATE WITH HIM NEXT WEEK FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. [04:00:11] >> SELL A COMMUNITY CENTER OR LIBRARY, PUBLIC AMENITY IS NEEDED THERE. >> WE THINK THOSE SITES ARE AN ASSET FOR US. WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IT FITS IN. >> IT'S REALLY NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION. WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL 315. THAT GETS BUILT OUT IN CIRCA BE INTERNAL ROADS THAT WILL GET TO SCHOOL. >> IS A QUESTION FOR YOU? >> I MEAN IF YOU WERE GOING TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I THOUGHT THE WHOLE IDEA IT WAS TRYING TO KEEP TRAFFIC OFF 315. ROOKIE ON THAT NOW. THERE'S ALREADY A. >> WE MET WITH SCHOOL DISTRICT CONSTRUCTION STRAPPED A GOAL WOULD BE TO ALLOW FROM INSIDE THE PROJECT. >>. >> THERE ORIGINALLY A CERTAIN NUMBER OF ROADS THE DEVELOPER WAS GOING TO CONSTRUCT. HAVE THOSE ROOTS MOVE INTO OUR PLAN. THE OTHER MOBILE MOBILITY THING. ONCE BOTH DEVELOPMENT ÃTHESE ROADS? >> BETH CAN YOU CONNECT THE MAP ON THE ROAD. >> IN PARTICULAR, SUSAN WE ARE LOOKING, THE ONE I WAS REALLY CURIOUS ABOUT IS WE TALKED FOR YEARS ABOUT THE FAMOUS COVE SPRINGS BYPASS. >> SO THERE ARE TODAY REMEMBER TERRENCE. PARENTS WERE THROWING FROM A COW. RIGIDLY. IF YOU, DO CREATIVE FAILURES OF THE ROAD IN NASSAU COUNTY. YOU HAD TO MITIGATE THOSE. SO THIS PROJECT WHEN YOU ADDED UP ALL THE IMPACTS IT HAD I WOULD OFFER TO YOU IT HAD A LOT OF IMPACTS BECAUSE THERE WERE NO ROADS. THERE IS NOTHING OUT THERE. WE COULD BUILD YOUR OWN ROAD. THE GUYS WAS TO BUILD FROM 17 OVER NEXT 3 SEC THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EXPRESSWAY. RIGHT, IT SAID TO BUILD THAT ROAD.> THE STUFF THAT'S IN RED DOGS I KNOW THAT THEY WILL BUILD THOSE ROADS. >> CRACKED. THE 315 PIECE OF IT IS WHAT I WAS REALLY WONDERING ABOUT. >> THAT ROAD IS IN THE COUNTIES VOTED ROAD PROJECT FUND. IT'S SCHEDULED TO OPEN IN 2024. AND WE ARE WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON RIGHT-OF-WAY ALIGNMENT. THEY'RE DOING THEIR DESIGN. WE WILL DEDICATE RIGHT-OF-WAY STORMWATER PONDS. WE WILL GET MOBILITY CREDIT FOR THAT DONATION. P>> IS IT JUST THE GREEN BUT TH FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. IS ANY OF THAT 315 GOING DOWN TO 16 INCLUDED. THIS CAN REMAIN SENT TO LANE MODE. AT ONE POINT I THOUGHT THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE DRI. >> WAS SENT. THOSE WERE NOT CONSIDERED. GOVERNORS PARK IS BUILDING THE LOOP UP TO 16. 216. GOVERNORS A REALIGNMENT OF 315 THICK ON OUR MAP YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE REALIGNMENT. IT WILL BE THAT BIG BYPASS. >> ALSO BE 2 LANES UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE WIDENS IT. MEANING US, THE COUNTY. >> THE COUNTY ADVERTISES IT MOBILITY FEES THAT'S PROBABLY Ã ¦ >> I THINK I WANTED TO SEE HOW WE WERE DOING WITH THE ROADS. TO BE VERY CLEAR WHAT WERE ACTUALLY VOTING ON CHEST THE FUTURE LAND USE STUFF. WE LEAVE THEM OUT. >> IS THE FEATURED LAND USE MAP CHANGE AS WELL AS THE 3 AND 4 POLICIES THAT ARE IN THEIR THE AND I CAN GO THROUGH MY PRESENTATION BRIEFLY. AND HOPEFULLY NOT REPEAT TO MUCH OF WHAT SUSAN SAID. >> WE GOTTA STAY FRESH AND WHAT WERE ACTUALLY LOOKINGOUT TONIGHT. >> OKAY, THAT WILL BE SEEING SOME REPETITION. I APOLOGIZE. THIS IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2021 Ã10 WHICH IS A LARGE-SCALE WHICH INCLUDES FLUME POLICY [04:05:16] AMENDMENTS. WITCHES COMMERCIAL DISTRICT 5. WHICH IS COMMISSIONER BURKS DISTRICT. APPLICANT IS RIGHT HILL CORPORATIONS, PETERS CREEK INVESTMENTS IN CLAY. THE BCC WILL HAVE THIS TRANSMITTAL FOR THEIR OCTOBER 26 MEETING. THIS IS THE PARCEL. THERE'S PORTIONS OF 2 PORTIONS AND THE FULL LARGER PARCEL FOR A TOTAL OF 24, 21 ACRES. EXISTING LAND USE AS PLAN COMMUNITY OF STUDENTS HAS ALREADY SAID. >> YOU CAN GO REALLY FAST FOR ANYTHING SHERRY SAID. >> IS ABOUT LAND USE HISTORY IS PROPOSING. >> THIS IS THE ONE HERE. >> THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING LAND USE. ON THE RIGHT IS A PROPOSED LAND USE. EXISTING TEAL IS A PLAN COMMUNITY. AS YOU SEE IT SURROUNDED BY LIKE AS BARRY. WHEN YOU CLICK ON THE RIGHT THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS GOING TO BLEND IN. THE NPC WOULD BE ADJACENT TO MPC. SENIORS CRAIG IS A BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE LAKE AS BARRY MASTER PLAN AND THE NON-LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN. THE REAL FRINGE OUTSIDE OF LAKE ASBURY. YOU CAN SEE IS THE SAME AS WHAT'S ACROSS THE STREET AT WILLOW SPRINGS. SAME AS WHAT'S NORTH OF 315. IF NOT DEVELOPMENT THERE THAT'S BEEN TRANSITIONING INTO WORLD FRINGE. YOU CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE. NOW I WILL SAY THAT SUSAN'S MAPS ARE LITTLE BIT MORE CURRENT WITH THE ALIGNMENT OF THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR THAT OUR GIS BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH OUR BONDED ROAD PROGRAM STAFF. SO SHE HAS A BETTER ALIGNMENT AND WE WILL WORK WITH STAFF TO GET THAT INTO OUR MAPS. SO IT'S MORE UP TO DATE. THE VILLAGE CENTER RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE IS REALLY MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED ON THE FIRST COAST CONNECTOR. >> OKAY. LEVEL OF SERVICES LOCATED WITHIN THE URBAN SERVICE AREA. THERE'S CAPACITY, SOLID WASTE, MOBILITY FEES TAKES CARE OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS. RETURN 877 ACRES CURRENT RECREATION. THERE'S LIKE ASBURY LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS. OUTSIDE OF LAKE ELSBERRY. HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE THAT PART TERMINATION OF THE 19 ACRES IN THE AREA OF 315. THE POLICY AMENDMENTS, THE FUTURE AND USE 4.4.1. WHICH IS THE MIXED USE CATEGORY. THAT IS TO GO TO 16 DELETE UNITS TO THE 20 DWELLING UNITS FOR NEXT. INCREASE THE SITE AREA ALSO WAS REQUESTED FROM 75 TO 90 ACRES. THAT'S WAS IN THE POLICY NOW. 75. ALLOW CONSIDERATION OF CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE. I APOLOGIZE IF A STRUCTURED THAT'S FUNDING THE CIP WITHIN THE FIRST 3 YEARS OF THE CIP. F DOT WORK PROGRAM OR SCHOOL DISTRICT ESP WHEN ASSESSING MIXED POINTS. THAT'S A CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WE HAVE NOW WHICH DOES NOT GET THAT SPECIFIC IN THE DETAIL. FUTURE LAND USE POLICY 1.4.3 IS A TABLE THAT WAS HANDLED OUT TO YOU AND THAT WOULD BE A MATTER OF PUTTING THAT 20 TOLLING UNITS EITHER IN THE LEFT COLUMN IF WE WERE JUST TO DO PYRITE OR FOOT WAS A BONUS FOR LOW INCOME OVER THE MIX HANDICAPPED HOUSING. PHILIP POLICY THIS MAY CHANGE HIS FUTURE LAND USE. BECAUSE SARATOGA SPRINGS WAS NOT CONSIDERED THE LAKE AS BARRY FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS. WE WOULD BE ADDING THIS POLICY WHICH WOULD INCREASE SOME OF THE UNITS THAT ARE PROPOSED LIKE ASBERRY. THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE THAT STAFF WOULD SUPPORT THE MIX INCREASE IN UNITS IF DIFFERENCE IN DENSITY WERE TO PROVIDE LOW AND MODERATE INCOME OR LOWER Ã ¦ >> TAKE A BATH. I'M CURIOUS. ANY DECISION WE MAKE HERE DOESN'T AFFECT THE LAKE AS BARRY MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. SORRY I'M TIRED. BUT IT ALWAYS DEALS WITH THIS [04:10:02] JUST A SPECIFIC PARCEL. EVEN THOUGH IT WILL COME PART OF LIKE ASBERRY. HORSES RIDE REACHING. >> THAT'S CORRECT. WERE NOT CHANGING ANY POLICIES RELATED TO THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. DESIGNATE THESE PARCELS TO BE DEVELOPED AS MASTER-PLANNED COMMUNITY LIKE THE REST OF THE ADJACENT PARCELS. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> IS SPECIFICALLY IT'S THE MIX. SO IF WE RECOMMEND GOING TO THE 20 UNIT AND THEN GOING WITH THE BONUS THE 24. THIS ONLY AFFECTS THIS DEVELOPMENT. >> KNOW THAT ESSENTIALLY AFFECT DEVELOPMENT THAT CURRENTLY HAS MIXED LAND USE. THIS RETURNS ABOUT EARLIER. I BELIEVE SHE IS GOT 3 PARCELS THAT HAVE THAT. ONE IS ON 17. THE OLD NAVY HOUSING. AND THEN BLACK CREEK IS BLACK CREEK VILLAGE. IS A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. THEN THE SENILITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT ON KINGSLEY. OUR PROPERTIES ALREADY DEVELOPED FOR THE MOST PART. THEY COUD POTENTIALLY ASK FOR AN INCREASE IN DENSITY BECAUSE THE POLICY. >> I THINK THAT ONE ON KINGSLEY. WAS THAT ONE ACROSS FROM THE HOSPITAL. I HAVEN'T BEEN DEVELOPED YET. SO HOUSES ALL DEPARTMENTS ON IT. CURRENTLY. NO CYCLIC MEETING START PEOPLE. THAT DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED. AS FAR AS THE ORIGINAL APARTMENT COMPLEX ON IT. HOWEVER WHEN IT CAME THROUGH. NOTHING'S EVER BEEN DONE WITHOUT ENTITLEMENT. >> WAS THE HERO AND THROUGH. >> THAT WHENEVER BOB BUILD. >> AN EASY HOUSING. AT THE. >> I THINK SUSAN CAN GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND. THE NISI HOUSTON PROJECT. >> I THINK ALL 3 MIXED USED SITES ARE CURRENTLY SOLD OF BUILDINGS ON THEM. THE BLACK CREEK PARCEL AT 17 SALE FEELING RESIDENTIAL. >> THAT HAS TO BE COMMERCIAL THEY HAVE A HEART 'S ADDITIONALLY. >> THAT THEY COULD APPLY WHATEVER YOU PUT IN PLACE. THE PLACE ON KINGS, I DID GET ONE TOO. AND THAT WAS HER WISTER HUNLEY AND THE OLD STUFF EVERYTHING IS WOULD BUILD ABOUT. THIS WAS A GREAT COACH BRUCE TECH UNACCEPT PROPERTY. >> THEN EXCUSE THEIR INSURANCE COVERAGE DAMAGE TO THE NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE THEY COULD NOT REPLACE THE UILDINGS. THEY COULD NOT GET INSURANCE. SON IS THERE THERE, NO MORE OR NO LESS. IF THEY COME INTO A WHOLE NEW PLANET COULD BE LOVELY AND BEAUTIFUL BUT THEY NEEDED THE RIGHT TO REPAIR. AFTER A STORM. AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN. THAT'S ALL THAT ONE WAS. >> OKAY. >> ARE WE GOOD. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >> I WANT TO MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT. INCREASING THE DENSITY TO 20. I'M ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT I ATTENDED CONSEQUENCES. IS NOT MUCH OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. >> IF WE DID THAT IT'S PROBABLY THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE GOING ANYWAYS. I'LL SEE A PROBLEM WITH THE 20. >> ELECTED BONUS THE. >> I WILL ECHO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A PROBLEM. IT IS A PROBLEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY. YOU GO DOWN.MIAMI KEY WEST YOU CAN'T FIND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PROVIDING MENTOR CITIZENS. THROUGH THE 24 UNITS PER ACRE MAKES SENSE. ESPECIALLY IN THE SPECIFIC, THERE'S 3 AREAS SURVEY THAT MAKES SENSE OF THE QUESTION MOTION. UNLESS SOMEONE ELSE BEATS ME TO IT. >> LET ME DO A PUBLIC HEARING MUST HAVE A QUESTION. >> IT'S A STATEMENT THAT APPEARS ON THE APPLICATION OF STAFF AND I'M NOT SURE WHO I SHOULD ADDRESS IT.>> THE CONVERSION RIGHTS OF THE DRI REPORTING TO, 5600 MAY BE CONVERTED TO MAXIMUM OF 5500 RESIDENTIAL UNITS. COULD YOU EXPLAIN THE CONVERSION RATE? >> OUTLETS IS TO DO THAT. [04:15:10] SO INTO GRI UNDER THOSE RULES THE NUMBER ONE DRIVING FORCE IN TRANSPORTATION. FAMILY CARS TO PUT HIM ON THE ROAD. YOU HAVE TO PAY THE MITIGATE ALL OF THOSE CARS. SO TERRORISTS ARE TWENTY-YEAR. >> DISRUPTING ONE THING THAT OVER TIME THEY TURN OUT TO BE EATING SOMETHING ELSE. >> WITHOUT HAVING TO DO THIS FOR YEARS AGO BUT NOW WE NEED TO DO THAT. BECAUSE OF THE BIG CONTROL IS TRAFFIC. ALL DRI'S HAVE A CONVERSION TABLE. IT SAYS YOU CAN GO FROM. >> THE COMMERCIAL IS STRAIGHT TRAFFIC SETS GENERATES EXPERIENCE. IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH TOOTHED BY THE BY EACH OTHER. DRI HAS NOT TODAY. IT SAYS IF YOU WEREN'T IN ABANDONED THE DRA COVERT COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE DANCES. TO MAXIMUM OF FOOD AND THE. >> CONVERSION ONLINE SALE AND. >> NOT 182, >> THANK YOU. >> IN FACT I JUST ASKED SOMEONE AND STAFF, NOT NOW. CAN YOU PULL A CONVERSION TABLE OUT OF ALL DRI IF WE STILL GOT ONE AROUND?SHA RADIO. MARY IS DUE. SHE'S NEVER SEEN A TABLE THAT WAS THOUGH WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT AND PROBABLY WOULD HELP EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT TOO. >> DOES GOOD SOLOS FOR MITOCHONDRIAL BECAUSE IT DIDN'T FIT. >>. >> IMMUNITY, THE SITE ITSELF. >> A LIST OF. >> GOULD WAS. >> THE SUPPORT THE UNIT CENTURY OF POINT-AND-CLICK VALUE WENT FROM HIS EMPLOYEES DRIVING BACK AND FORTH COMMUNITY EVERY DATE TO MULTISTORY OFFICE BUILDINGS ON WELLS ROAD.O 100 PERCENT OF THOSE PEOPLE NOT WORK FROM HOME. IF I DON'T DRIVE MY WIFE'S CAR IT IS A MOVE. THIS IDEA THAT EVERYTHING IS TIED IN TRANSPORTATION. SOME WORK SO ON. CREATING A WORKSPACE INSIDE THE LIVING SPACE NO. I ECHO THE 24 UNITS PER ACRE. >> TO HAVE ANYTHING CLICK. >> OKAY LET'S OPEN UP A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? COME ON OUT. COME ON DOWN. I THINK A LOT OF US HAVEN'T BEEN HERE THIS LATE IN A WHILE. THIS IS NOT A RECORD BY ANY MEANS. >> 5 JANE CORBY 11 3635 OGLEBAY DRIVE, GREENE COVE SPRINGS. >> ANY. >> CLASSIC ON A THINK ABOUT 315 UNTIL 9. THOSE ROADS NEED SOMEBODY TO THINK ABOUT HIM. >> THAT'S WHY ASKED ABOUT IT. [04:20:02] YES SIR. COME ON. >>. [INAUDIBLE] ON FENCE AS WELL. >> 20 IS WAY OUTSIDE OF MY COMFORT ZONE. 24, THAT'S CLOSE ENOUGH FOR ME. I JUST ASSOCIATE. THANK YOU. >> I THINK IT MIGHT HELP IF EXPLAIN WHAT MIXED-USE IS TOO. IT'S NOT SUBDIVISION PER SOUTHEAST. SHE WANT TO GIVE IT A QUICK SHOT? >> I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO POINT OUT WE DO ALLOW WITHIN THE LAKE SPIRIT MASTER PLAN AND ACTIVITY CENTER. WE ALLOW 24 UNITS FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. THE MIXED USE WOULD BE VERY POSSIBLY HIGH-RISE BUILDING WITH RETAIL, COMMERCIAL THE FIRST FLOOR WITH RESIDENTIAL ABOVE IT. IT COULD BE HORIZONTALLY OR VERTICALLY AND UPGRADED MIXED USE. JUST DIFFERENT WAYS IT CAN BE DONE. THE IDEA IS TO HAVE THEM BROKE CLOSE PROXIMITY WITH WORKABILITY AND GET PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS. >> IS BASICALLY HOUSING OVER RETAIL. >> THAT'S ONE WAY. YES. >> THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NOEL'S. CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. ALL RIGHT, MR. PEREA HAD A MOTION. >> ESSER I NEED TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS ONE THING IF I COULD. MAKE SURE EVERYONE LISTENING AND WATCHING, ROADS ARE CONTEMPLATED. WE HAVE A ROAD CONSTRUCTION PLAN THAT WE ASKED FOR LAST MONTH'S MEETING THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENT ROADS THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED. THERE UPON THE GROUND OR PRIVATE ROADS. WHERE THE COMPLETION DATES ARE. I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO WALK AWAY THINKING THAT EVEN THAT WERE NOT DOT. AGAIN IT IS CONTEMPLATED IN THE DECISIONS WE MAKE AND STAFF IS PROVIDED US INFORMATION. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WERE FULLY INFORMED. I WANT TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD. WITH THAT BEING SAID I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE STAFF APPROVAL WITH THE ONLY CHANGE BEING THAT WE CHANGE MIXED APPOINTED 24 UNITS AS OPPOSED TO 20 UNITS. >> 24 WITH A BONUS. >> 20 UNITS NORMAL. 24 WITH THE BONUS. >> SO JUST TO EXPLAIN. THE BONUS. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT I WAS GOING TO MAKE A MOTION UNDER 24. WHAT IS A BONUS TO FORGO A 20? >> CURRENTLY AT 16 WITH A BONUS FOR THE UNITS AOVE THE 16 FOR HOUSING AND LOW INCOME ELDERLY ETC. THOSE EXTRA 4 WOULD BE DEDICATED TO THAT. THAT WAS A BONUS. SO IF YOU CHANGE IT OR YOUR CHANGING FROM 16 TO 20. 16 TO 24. >> ON WITH YOU. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION. I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE STAFF APPROVAL AT 20 UNITS PER MIX DOUGLAS UP TO 24 ALSO BONUS IF THEY MEAN LOW AND MODERATE INCOME ELDERLY OR HANDICAPPED HOUSING REQUIREMENTS. >> WOULD YOU PLEASE CLARIFY IF WE HAVE THE DISCRETION TO WORK ON THE LANGUAGE ABOUT HOW TO MANAGE THOSE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD ALLOW STAFF TO DO? >> YEAH. I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. IN THIS CASE STAFF OBVIOUSLY AND THE SHIP PATEL PROGRAM WOULD HAVE A STRONG VOICE IN THAT PERIOD, SWIMMING AND STAFF DO NOT AGREE OR THE SHIP PATEL PROGRAM DID NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU HAVE COME UP WITH THEN WHEN IT COME BACK TO US? ARE MOVED TO THE BCC WITHOUT CLARIFICATION. >> IT WOULD MOVE TO THE BCC WITH THE CLARIFICATION. WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF TIME TO RELATE WORK OUT THE WORDING. EMOTIONAL COUNTING ONCE THE RESPONSIBILITY AS WAS KIND OF DESCRIBED OR NOT. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS CLEAR.> SO YES. THE DISCRETION TO ABLE TO WORK OUT THE SECOND PARAGRAPH UNDER THE DENSITY CRITERIA. >> SECOND. >> OKAY. CHRISTINE I KNOW THAT WAS A LITTLE CONFUSING. DO YOU THANK YOU GOT IT? [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO ESSENTIALLY ACCEPT LIST OF RECOMMENDATION. WITH THE CHANGE ON FLU POLICY [04:25:03] 1.4.3 TO CHANGE BASED DENSITY FROM EXCUSE TO 20. AND THE LOW TO MODERATE ETC. TO 24 AND GIVE THE APPLICANT FLEXIBILITY TO WORK OUT THE DENSITY CRITERIA REQUIREMENTS. PARAGRAPH. RIGHT CLICK.> INSERT. PERFECT. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE? SEEING NONE. I WILL CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? OKAY. >> YOUR FIND I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. I'M NOT SURE WHOSE IDEA WAS TO CHANGE TO WORKFORCE HOUSING TO CHANGE IT TO THIS OTHER. YOU GUYS ARE SAYING IT AND YOU SAY ETC. I SPENT ALMOST 10 YEARS ON THE CLAY COUNTY HOUSING FINANCE BOARD AND SOME PEOPLE COME UP TODAY AND ANYTIME YOU THROW IN LOW INCOME, MODERATE INCOME YOU GET THIS NEGATIVE STEREOTYPE. THE WHOLE IDEA OF USER TERMINAL WORKFORCE HOUSING IS TO MAKE A MORE BENIGN MORE ACCEPTABLE. THE CHALLENGE IS CREATING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT TRULY IS. THIS I DO? MORE DENSITY. THAT'S TRYING TO DRIVE THE COST UP SHE COULD TRULY MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE. IT IS THE WORKFORCE. MAYBE WE SHOULD BE CALLING IT HERO HOUSING OR SOMETHING. THAT'S WHO'S THERE. NURSES, FIREFIGHTERS, POLICE OFFICERS. I DON'T KNOW WHOSE IDEA THAT WAS OVER THAT CAME FROM. I WOULD DISAGREE. >> OKAY THANK YOU. I NEED TO PULL IT APPEAR. I HAD A REALLY BAD COLD SO I CAN'T EVEN HARDLY HEAR MYSELF. ANYWAY I WOULD REVISIT THAT IDEA TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING LESS CLUNKY. REPORTED A COUPLE TIMES HERE LOW INCOME, MODERATE INCOME, ETC. A PART 2 OF 3 PEOPLE GET UP. LOW INCOME, CRIME RATE, BLAH, BLAH. GIVE ME A BREAK. >> IT'S UNDERSTOOD THAT POLICY I BELIEVE HAS HAD THAT WORDING FOR PROBABLY 20 YEARS. SO IT'S TIME TO UPDATE IT. >> WE ALWAYS USE WORKFORCE HOUSING. >> I THINK THE NEXT ITEM AND MR. EAKIN HAS BEEN SITTING THERE FOR LIKE 4 HOURS. WE JUST WANT SAY THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. GREG SORRY. >> I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ROADS ARE LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. WHEN YOU START 17 ON 315 THAT ROAD WILL BE FLYING IS FOOTBOARDS THAT BONNIE PROJECTS UP TO THIS HOUSE IN SARATOGA. THAT POINT IT'LL BE 855 FEET OF RUNAWAY WHICH THE COUNTIES GOING TO BUILD INITIALLY A 2 LANE OF AN EVENTUAL 4-LANE. THAT'LL GO OVER THE INTERCHANGE. WEST OF THE INTERCHANGE IT WILL BE 2 LANES TO 4 LANES. WE THINK ABOUT TRAFFIC PEOPLE, COME FROM MIDDLEBURG DELTA 218 ELECTRICAL APPARENTLY ACROSS SAM BRIDGE DOWN TO A 9. THEY COULD COME DOWN TO 18 OF THE EXPRESSWAY TO GET ONTO THE EXPRESSWAY OR KEEP GOING. IT WILL RELIEVE A LOT ABOUT SANDRIDGE TRAFFIC. YOU CAN VISUALLY SEE IT. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT EAST/WEST CONNECTIONS THE CLAY COUNTY VERSE 220 THEN THERE 16. THIS WILL BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE. I THINK WILL BE GREAT IMPROVEMENT TO THE ROAD NETWORK AND PERSONALLY VERY EXCITED WE HAVE THIS HUNDRED 55 FEET, BIG MEDIAN. NICE LANDSCAPING. WE WILL HAVE SIDEWALK OUTSIDE. 10 5 MULTI-USPAP ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT'LL BE A GREAT BOULEVARD PARKWAY PRIOR TO THE MIDDLE OF THE CENTER PART OF CLAY COUNTY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF OUR AMENDMENT CHANGES AND ONWARD. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. SO WE JUST FINISHED 2. NEXT [3.  Public Hearing to consider LDC 2021-06, a text amendment to the Land Development Code to increase the acreage threshold for a small scale comprehensive plan amendment per Florida Statute.] ITEM IS ON OUR AGENDA IS ITEM 3. THIS I THINK IS MOSTLY ADMINISTRATIVE. AS TO CONSIDER LDC 20 2106. AS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO INCREASE THE ACREAGE THRESHOLD FOR SMALL-SCALE COMP PLAN AMENDMENT PER THE FLORIDA STATUTE. SO THE LEGISLATURE IS ALREADY ACTED ON THIS RIGHT. JUST TRYING TO CLEAN UP OUR LANGUAGE. >> YES. THIS IS FAMILIAR TO YOU. WE BROUGHT YOU ONE THAT AFFECTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS IS NOW JUST, WE HAVE THE SAME LANGUAGE IN THE LDC. OR PROPOSING THESE CHANGES WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WITH HER ON ONE THAT IS NOT DRIVEN BY THAT HOUSE RULE. [04:30:05] AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED AND HOW MANY AND WHAT FORMAT THAT WAS IN THE SAME ARTICLE AND SINCE WE HAVE THE ARTICLE OPEN WE PROPOSING IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND CONSIDERING LETTING US CHANGE. >> IS GETTING RID OF THE 3 PAPER COPIES INTO A ONE PAPER COPY SOME ELECTRONICS. IT SEEMS TO MAKE MORE SENSE THESE DAYS. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY, ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS MORNING FOR STAFF? LET ME OPEN UP PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS MORNING. ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS MORNING? I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING. RINGBACK FOR EMOTION. >> SO MOVED. >> MR. DAVIS MAKES MOTION AND MR. NORTON SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE OF PAPER STATING I? [4.  Public Hearing to Consider Application PUD 21-04. Text Amendment To Fleming Island Plantation PUD To Eliminate the Right to Construct Signs and Landscaping On Parcel Owned By Grace Church] I. OKAY. I'LL OPPOSED? OKAY NONE. OKAY NUMBER 4. THIS MORNING YOU WERE ASKING ABOUT I THINK BILL. THIS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPLICATION PUD 2104. IT'S IT S IT TEXTED FOR THE FOAM ELLEN PUD TO ELIMINATE THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT SCIENCE AND LANDSCAPING ON A PARCEL OWNED BY GRACE CHURCH. ARE YOU DOING THAT WHEN MIKE, GO AHEAD. >> ASKED MR. CHAIRMAN. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL GO QUICKER THAN THE FIRST BUT I DID. PUD 21 Ã04. APPLICANT'S NEW CHRIST CHURCH. AGENT SUSAN FRAZIER. LOCATED AT 5800 HIGHWAY 17. THIS IS A REQUEST TO AMEND THE FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION DRI PUD TO ELIMINATE THE RIGHT CONSTRUCT LANDSCAPING AND SIGNS AND SUPPORT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT LOCATED ON A PARCEL JUST NORTH OF THEM. I WILL QUOTE THROUGH THE FULL NUMBER CROSSINGS THANK YOU. PARCEL 37. A QUICK BRAND BACKGROUND. NEW CASE IS 20+ ACRES ON HIGHWAY 17 AT RADAR ROAD. 2 NORTH 100 FEET OF THE GRACE CHURCH PROPERTY. IT'S NORTH OF RADAR ROAD IN THIS ZONE PUD FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION DRI. BALANCE OF THE PROPERTY IS P IS ONE WHICH ALLOWS A CHURCH. 2016 PARCEL 37 OF THE CROSSINGS AT THE RIGHT WHICH IS DIRECTLY NORTH OF FLEMING ISLAND DRI. WAS APPROVED FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. AT THAT TIME THERE WAS A COMPANION REZONING THAT APPROVED AND AMENDED THE PUD FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION DRI. GRACE CHURCH PROPERTY. AND PROVIDED THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT SIGNAGE AND INSTALLATION OF LANDSCAPE TO CREATE A BUFFER SUPPORT OF THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON PARCEL 37. IN THE CROSSINGS DRI. IN 2019, THE PUD SITE PLAN FOR THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WAS PAID FROM 180 MULTIFAMILY UNITS. THE APPROVED SITE PLAN LOCATED THE SIGNAGEAND LANDSCAPING FOR THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON THE PARCEL 37 WHICH WAS THE PARCEL OF THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS LOCATED. BY ELIMINATING THE NEED TO PROVIDE THOSE USES IN THE BUFFER ON THE NORTHERN 100 FEET OF THE GREATEST CHURCH PROPERTY. THIS APPLICATION TO AMEND IS ONLY FOR ABOUT 0.65 ACRES OF THAT HUNDRED FEET NORTH OF RADAR ROAD AT THE GRACE CHURCH PROPERTY. I WOULD DELETE THAT REQUIREMENT AND THAT WAS APPROVED AN ORDINANCE 20 1643. THAT PLACE THAT RESTRICTS ON THE PROPERTY. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND THE CHANGES PROPOSED TO THE FLEMING ISLAND PUD. STAFF IS DETERMINED THAT THE CHANGES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE FLEMING ISLAND PLANTATION PUD. I DRI. THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL IMPACTS RESULTING FROM THE CHANGES. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF PUD 21 Ã04. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS MORNING QUICKBOOKS DOES THAT MEAN THERE WON'T BE A BUFFER ON THAT PROPERTY.>> ABOUT PROPERTY, NO. THE BUFFER HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE PARCEL BY THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS GOING. >> STILL THE SAME BUFFERS JUST MOVED TO THE APPROPRIATE PARCEL. >> ESTHER PREACHED A QUICK QUESTION MICHAEL. ARE THEY REQUIRED BECAUSE IT [04:35:04] SAYS ELIMINATE THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT A SUPPORT TO LIMITED THE REQUIREMENT TO CONSTRUCT. >> WAS JUST RIGHT. >> REMOVING THE RIGHT TO DO IT? >> YEAH. HE PROBABLY DOESN'T NEED TO DO IT TECHNICALLY. IT CLEANS UP AND TAKES AWAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY. >> SINCE IT MAY NO BETTER. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT MORNING. >> MR. PATIENT, ONE OF THE GIVE US THIS MORNING. IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE ODD. I'M A MEMBER THIS MORNING. IT WENT THROUGH. YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASK AND ANSWER MR. GERSON'S QUESTION BETTER NOW ABOUT HOW YOU CAME UP THE NUMBER OF UNITS. >> HERE'S A REAL-LIFE EXAMPLE. >> LEAVE IT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD. >> JIM IS A MATH GUY. SUSAN FRAZIER CONSULTING 3570 IN JACKSONVILLE. I'M IN HERE FOR BRISTOL DEVELOPMENT. IT'S RIGHT CAUGHT THE RIGHT WAS PUT ON THE PROPERTY. THE GRACE CHURCH PROPERTY BY THE PUBLIC DEVELOPER BEFORE BRISTOL. THEY WERE GONNA BUY THE PROPERTY IN THE FIELD OF THE SITE. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH OF THE BUFFER. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT. PART OF IT WAS A BUFFER FROM APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT DIDN'T LOOK SURROUND US 17. THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE YOU DID LOOK UP 17 INTO THE BOWELS OF APARTMENT COMPLEX. >> .PARTNERDEVELOP HER DID COME TO A CONTRACT AT BRISTOL BOUGHT IT A YEAR YEAR AND HALF LATER. THEY WERE ABLE TO DESIGN A SITE PLAN THAT ALLOWED THEM TO CREATE THE SAME 20 FOOT BUFFER BUT PUT IT ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. SO THEY PLANT THEIR OWN TREES AND RETAIN THEIR OWN BUFFER. THIS WAS NO LONGER, IT WAS NEER REQUIRED OR DESIRABLE. STILL IS A NATIONAL APARTMENT DEVELOPER. AND THERE CONCERN IS OUT SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE READ AS AN OBLIGATION. FOR THEM IT WAS WORTH THE INVESTMENT TO TAKE THIS OFF THE BOOKS FORMALLY THEN TO HAVE SOME CLOUD ON A TITLE OR SOME CLOUD ON AS AN OBLIGATION WHEN WERE ALL NOT HERE AND SOMEDAY COMES BACK AND SAYS OTHERWISE. IT'S TOTALLY JUST A CLEANUP. >> THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE? OKAY I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? COME ON. AT THIS POINT WERE JUST HERE. >> A VERY SORRY. RICO SPRINGS. I'M ACTUALLY A MEMBER OF GRACE ANGLE CHURCH. I KNOW YOUR PROPERTY SAYS IT'S GREAT ANGLE CHURCH. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THIS THE LAST REMAINING SO JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHY AND HOW IT ALL CAME ABOUT. >> 'SWE WORK THROUGH SAM GARRISON AND HE COORDINATED WITH DIRECTOR WENT TO THE COMMITTEE. WE HAVE SIGNED FORMS FROM THEM BY THOSE INDIVIDUALS AUTHORIZING THE CHANGE. HE COORDINATED WITH MR. GERSON TO BRING THIS FILE. >> THANKS. I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BRING IT BACK FOR MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> DOOR HAVE A SECOND? QUICK SECOND. >> ALL RIGHT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? >> ONE QUESTION. MR. BROWN THE ACTUAL LOCATION OF THE SIGN IS NOT GOING TO BE THE BUFFER IS IT? >> NO. >> THEY WILL NO LONGER HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE A SIGN AT ALL. THE SIGNS ON THEIR PROPERTY. P>> THE APARTMENT COMPLEX PROPERTY. >> THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. THEY WILL ABLE TO MOVE THAT BUFFER BECAUSE HE REDUCED IT BY ONE BUILDING AND I WENT UP IN ALTITUDE ONTO THE OTHER BUILDINGS. SO THEY WENT FROM WHAT WAS IT, 3 STORIES TO FOR A COUPLE OF BUILDINGS. THEY COLLAPSE ONE BUILDING AND IT GAVE. I'M CURIOUS AS SOME BEARING ON THIS CONVERSATION. RECORD.ROBERT CHARLES. WITH A HEIGHT RESTRICTION OF THE HIGHEST BUILDING THERE. >> Q NO. >> -70 FEET. >> I THINK SO. FOR THE FIRE SAFETY AS THE BUILDINGS WERE SPRINKLED. THAT'S HOW THEY MEET THE CODE. >> IT USED TO BE 25 FEET. THEN THE ARGUMENT WAS THAT DIDN'T HAVE A TRACK. SO THE DEPARTMENT COULDN'T REACH IT. LIKE WAS WHOSE IT WAS BURGLARS [04:40:02] PLUS WE HAVE ACCESS TO A LADDER TRUCK. BECOME A MOOT POINT. >> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ACCEPT THE STAFF REPORT, THE [5.  Public Hearing to Amend Figure 1 of the Transportation Element of the Comprehensive Plan to Add Projects Included in the Mobility Plan] RECOMMENDATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE I OPPOSE? OKAY. NEXT ITEM. LAST ITEM WE SHOULD HAVE TONIGHT. ITEM 5. PUBLIC HEARING TO AMEND FIGURE 1 IS A TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HAVE PROJECTS INCLUDED IN THE MOBILITY PLANS. PURPOSE OF THIS MEMO IS TO MANAGE FUTURE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION MAPPED OUT THOSE PROJECTS DURING THE MOBILITY PLAN. MR. BROWN? >> ACTUALLY I'M SITTING IN FOR AD. QUICKLY. AS YOU KNOW WE ADOPTED THE MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE BACK IN OCTOBER 2020. AND WHAT ED IS TRYING TO DO WITH THIS POINT IS TO MATCH UP MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE LIST THAT IS ALL THE ROADS UNDER IT WITH THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION MAPPED THAT'S PART OF THE COMP PLAN. SO, UNDER THE MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE LET'S SEE WHICH PAGER YOU WANT. UNDER THE MOBILITY FEE ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES FOR THE CREDITS OF THOSE ROADS. WITH RESPECT TO THE TRACKER FOR CIRCULATION MAPPED. WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN THE MAP. HE SPECIFICALLY IS STRESS ON THE MAP COORDINATE THE CHANGES. BETWEEN THE MOBILITY FEE, ORDINANCE AND THE MAP. THERE ARE 3 IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE IN THE MOBILITY PLAN THAT HE CAUGHT THAT ARE NOT ON THE MAP THAT WE WILL BE ADDING. IF STATE ROAD 100, STATE ROAD 21 WHICH IS FROM 2 TO 16. IN COUNTY ROAD 315. SO, I KNOW HE DID A MAP FOR YOU. TO SHOW YOU THIS IS THE EXISTING AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WASHER SHOW THE 3 THINGS ADDED. WHICH, THE 3 THAT ARE ADDED AS THE DOTS ON THE BOTTOM LEFT-HAND SIDE AND THEN THE POINT THESE OUT FOR YOU. THAT'S THE 315 AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS THE 21. >> ITSELF OVER THERE. >> OKAY. >> EVENTUAL IMPROVEMENTS WITH 315. IF WE JUST WANT TO DO IT. >> OKAY, IS AT IT. >> THAT'S AT LONGEVITY QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS MORNING. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS MORNING? ALL RIGHT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. LOOK FOR MOTION. ALL RIGHT MR. DAVIS MOVES THE STAFF REPORT. A SECOND? >> > SECOND. SORRY SE. OKAY. AND MARY HAD THE SECOND. CHARISSE DID WANT TO COMMENT BEFORE HE TOOK THE BOAT. >> NO. >> AFTER.OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM?S HE NOT I WILL CALL IT. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION STATE I. I OPPOSE? OKAY. THAT COMPLETES THE AGENDA. ALMOST. WERE GOING TO DO OLD BUSINESS. >> I WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS AT OUR NEXT FEW UPCOMING MEETINGS. >> YOU GO AHEAD. >> LET ME JUST DO THIS. NEVER THE LESS PUBLIC COMMENT [Old Business/New Business] PERIOD. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS. I WILL OPEN IT. CLOSE IT.KAY WERE ON OLD BUSINESS. ANYBODY GOT OLD BUSINESS? >> I GOT ONE QUESTION OUT OF CURIOSITY. DO WE EVER GET A LAW COUNT ON THE RAVINES. >> YES WE DID. >> WAS ACCURATE AS FAR AS ABOVE ABOUT. >> ACCOUNTED THEM. CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER. THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THE 11 UNITS WITHOUT GOING OVER THE E 499. I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY. >> KAY. ANY OTHER OLD BUSINESS. OKAY NEW USINESS. MR. CHARISSE. >> A COUPLE OF THINGS I'LL ELABORATE A MR. BRI'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE ROADS. ALL THAT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AT CLAY COUNTY GUV.COM. IT'S GOT ALL THE BONDED [04:45:04] PROJECTS. IT'S GOT ALL THE COUNTY PROJECTS. IT'S GOT ALL THE STATE PROJECTS. I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITIZENS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT A LOT OF THESE INTERLAKE ASBERRY ROADS.HE SAW THE FEW THE MAPS TONIGHT IS A LOT OF EAST /WEST ROADS WE THINK WILL DIVERT TRAFFIC OFF OF 209, SANDRIDGE IN THE FUTURE.UST FYI. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS ED IN THE PLANNING STAFF, COUPLE WEEKS AGO STRATEGIZED THE NEXT FEW MONTHS AND THEY ALL SEEM TO APPEAR MUCH LIKE THIS MORNING. I THOUGHT I WOULD LEASE JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A HEADS UP. I THINK AT LEAST THROUGH JANUARY WE HAVE DECIDED THEY ALL HAVE MULTIPLE ITEMS AND THEIR LENGTHY ITEMS. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A PLUG. I THINK NEXT TIME WE'LL SEE IF SOMEONE CAN SUPPLY COFFEE BAR. WE WILL PROBABLY BE HERE THIS LATE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.> I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP. HOW DO YOU MANAGE THAT? >> IF YOU COME INTO ED'S OFFICE. YOU TELL TO JET AS WELL. >> THEY APPLY THEY WANT TO BE ON THEIR AS LONG AS THEY MEET OUR DEADLINES. >> I HATE TO EVEN BRING THIS UP BUT NO OTHER AREAS ARE NO TO PLANNING AND ZONING MEETINGS A MONTH. A EXECUTED NEED TO BRING THAT UP. >> OF JUST SAYING. >> ALTHOUGH FOR ONE LONG ONE. >> JUST FYI. PARKS HAVE A COMMENT. >> JEFF SO THAT MARY COULD. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS THAT Ã HAS MADE TO GET MATERIALS TO US. AND BETH, GAVE ME ADVANCE COPIES OF SOME OF THE LENGTHY ITEMS SHE KNEW WERE COMING. TO THE EXTENT THAT COULD BE DONE I SURE DO APPRECIATE IT. IF WE COULD GET COPIES THE EARLIER THE BETTER. AND THANK YOU. >> I WILL SECOND THAT. I KNOW THIS IS A COUPLE OF THINGS. THESE HAVE BEEN COMPLICATED ISSUES. THEY BEEN COMPLICATING ISSUES FOR US. PARTICULARLY FOR STAFF. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, EXCEPT FOR BETH. OUR STAFF IS FAIRLY NEW AND PWERE WORKING ON ISSUES FROM 10 YEARS AGO. NOT TO MANY PEOPLE AROUND. NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR CRAZY CODE SAYS IS TO TRY TO INTERPRET IT FOR US AT THE SAME TIME. WE KNOW IT'S BEEN DIFFICULT. THANK YOU FOR THE HARD WORK. WE CAN BE A LITTLE BIT ON RECENT TIRES. VICIOUS PART OF THE JOB. RIGHT? WE DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THOUGH. VERY MUCH SO. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYBODY? I THINK THE NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER 2. AS I * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.