PROCLAMATIONS/RESOLUTIONS

[8. Notice of upcoming public hearings scheduled for October 12, 2021 and October 26, 2021 at 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as may be heard, regarding the consideration by the Board of a resolution designating the real property located at 1914 Bryce Landing Way, Middleburg, as a Brownfield Area pursuant to Section 376.80(2)(c), Florida Statutes.]

>> MOVE ON TO NUMBER EIGHT, IT IS JUST A NOTICE PERIOD IT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR OCTOBER 12, 2021 IN OCTOBER 6, BETWEEN 21 AT 5:00 P.M. REGARDING THE CONSIDERATION BY THE MODE OF RESOLUTION DESIGNATING THE REAL PROPERTY LOCATED 1914 RICE LANDING WAY AS A BROWNFIELD AREA PURSUANT TO SECTION [INAUDIBLE]. HAD TO NEW BUSINESS.

[9. Partial Lien Release]

WE DO HAVE PARTIAL LIEN RELEASE. 4995 ED BURNS ROAD, MIDDLEBURG, TINA CAMPBELL IS THE PROPERTY

OWNER AND HERO OF THE DETAILS. >> I HAVE TWO LEAN REDUCTIONS FOR YOU GUYS TODAY.

I WILL ADVISE THE MAGISTRATE IS HERE TODAY AS WELL. I THINK SHE MAY WANT TO SPEAK ON ONE OF THE ITEMS I KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE SECOND ITEM IS HERE.

SO, REALLY QUICKLY YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION AND THE BACKUP I WILL SAY OF THE FACTS AND ASK IF

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YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR THE MAGISTRATE TO COME UP. SO TINA CAMPBELL IS THE PROPERTY OWNER 2811 SPRINGS DRIVE, THIS IS UNIQUE BECAUSE IT IS A PARTIAL RELEASE.

WE ARE ASKING A PARTIAL RELEASE ON THIS PROPERTY ONLY AT 2811 SPRINGS DRIVE LLC OWNS MULTIPLE PROPERTIES IN THE COUNTY BUT MSS PROPERTY. SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR YOU KNOW THERE IS NO REDUCED TO 0 IT IS JUST A PARTIAL RELEASE BECAUSE THE LEANEST FOLLOWING TARPAULIN WHICH HAS OTHER PROPERTIES. NO LOSS OF VOLUNTEER.

TINA CAMPBELL, I THINK THAT TELLS YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF ME

OR OF THE MAGISTRATE, WE WILL TAKE THOSE AT THIS TIME. >> ANY QUESTIONS?

>> SO MS. CAMPELL AND THE PROPERTY NEVER HAD A LIEN ON THEM, NEVER HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT

ISSUES, CORRECT? >> CORRECT BUT TARPON LLC DID ON A.

>> SO WE WOULD LET THEM SELL IT. CHANGE THE KEY IS WE WOULDN'T LET THEM SELL THEIR LAST PROPERTY WITHOUT LIEN ON IT. IT FOLLOWS THEM, SO THEY HAVE SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES IN CLAY COUNTY. MS. CAMPELL BROUGHT THIS PROPERTY AND IN DOING SO, WHICH YOU SAW IN YOUR PACKET PUT 30,000 DOLLARS INTO THE PROPERTY TO MAKE IT LIVABLE.

WE STILL HAVE OUR TALENTS THERE. >> HOW MANY MORE PROPERTIES DO THEY HAVE?

>> DO YOU KNOW THAT OFF OF THE TOP YOUR HEAD? >> [INAUDIBLE]

>> PULLED THAT DOWN AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF. >> I AM THE MAGISTRATE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. I AM HERE TO EXPLAIN MY RATIONALE AND REASONING TRYING TO PERSONAL OFF THIS PROPERTY FROM THE LIEN IS THAT WHEN SHE PURCHASED THIS FROM A DETAIL IT WAS VACANT. AS MS. STEWART SAID SHE HAS INCREASED THE VALUE AND THEREFORE INCREASE THE TAX REVENUE THAT THE COUNTY CAN RECEIVE FROM THE PROPERTY, AND SHE HAS MADE A HOME FOR HER FAMILY. SHE IS THE TYPE OF PERSON WE SHOULD PROTECT AGAINST FOLKS WHO GO OUT AND RACK UP LIENS ON THEIR PROPERTY, THEN WE HAVE GOOD PEOPLE COMING IN TRYING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY AND IMPROVE OUR TAX BASE.

THAT WAS MY RATIONALE AND REASONING. THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR A RULING TO RELEASE HER PROPERTY FROM THE REST OF THE LIEN. THERE ARE OTHER PIECES THAT THE COUNTY CAN TAKE FROM. THERE IS NO LOSS OF FUNDS RIGHT NOW TO THE COUNTY.

IN FACT THERE IS A GAINED BY THE FACT THAT SHE HAS IMPROVED THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY THAT SHE

PURCHASED FROM THE TAX DEED. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? >> ABBA COMMENT IT GOES BACK TO MS. CAMPELL PAVEMENT AND HER REQUEST FOR RELIEF UNDER THE POLICY.

SHE SAID SHE WAS TOLD THERE WAS NO LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY. ALBEIT THAT IS TRUE, WE DO HAVE POLICY THAT SAYS WE CAN RECOVER A LIEN FROM THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, THE PREVIOUS OWNER.

I GUESS, MY CONCERN IS IF SHE HAD BEEN ADEQUATELY INFORMED DURING THE SALE SHE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. SHE HAS GONE THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS SHE COULD NOT ANTICIPATE.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE IS A WAY WE CAN ATTACH A LIEN TO ALL OF THE PROPERTIES, SO AT A SALE YOU WERE INFORMED THERE COULD BE A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE A WAY WE

CAN WORK THIS OUT? >> WE ATTACHED EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THEY HAD.

THE REASON TO DO THAT, THOUGH THEY CAN'T SELL PROPERTY UNTIL THEY PAY THE LIEN ON IT.

IN THIS CASE THEY LET IT GO UP AND THEY DIDN'T PAY THE TAXES ON IT AND IT WENT UP FOR SALE.

IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER SOLD, NORMALLY WHEN PEOPLE DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE THEY CAN'T SEE

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ANYTHING LIEN ON MLS THEY ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR THE LIEN, USUALLY THESE TAX SALE, YOU CAN COVER THE LIENS ON IT. I GET THIS. I DO NOT WANT TO PENALIZE THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ARE HURTING OURSELVES BY DOING THIS.

WHAT HAPPENS NOW THE OTHER GUYS ARE OFF OF THE HOOK. THEY DON'T HAVE THE PROPERTY.

>> THERE IS A LIEN. THE WAY -- THERE'S AN ORDINANCE WRITTEN THAT THE LIEN CAN BE

ATTACHED TO ANY REAL OR PERSONAL -- PERSONAL PROPERTY. >> WE CAN GO AFTER ANY PROPERTY THEY HAVE. THE LIEN WAS NOT AGAINST THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO WHEN SHE WENT TO THE SALE, THERE WAS A LIEN AGAINST ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE COULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED ON THIS PROPERTY. IF SHE HAD KNOWN THAT, IT MAY HAVE CHANGED HER DECISION TO PURCHASE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DO IT TO SHOW THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS UNDER A LIEN. ALL OF THE PROPERTY IS UNDER A LIEN OR COULD BE UNDER A LIEN OR

COULD BE SUBJECT TO THE LIEN. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY WE CAN DO THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY

TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC WHEN THEY GO TO THE SALES. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS BEING DONE

ALREADY. >> I THINK IN IN SPIRIT. >> THE LIEN WILL ATTACH TO EVERY

PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> WHEN THEY GET THE DOCUMENTATION, AND THE COURT MAY

BE CAN ANSWER THIS. >> DOCUMENTATION IS WITH IT AND IT DOES SHOW LIENS ON THE

PROPERTY. >> ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? >> TO ME THAT IS WHAT IS CONFUSING. IF YOU CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTATION, IT SHOWS, THE CASE IS ED BURNS. I GET CONFUSED TO BE HONEST. WITH THE TAX DEED, WHEN YOU SIGN IT SAYS YOU ARE TAKING THE PROPERTY WITH THE LIENS. BUT THERE'S NO LIEN AGAINST THIS

PIECE OF PROPERTY. >> THERE'S NO CODE ENFORCEMENT. >> MY UNDERSTANDING --

>> THE LIEN IS ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THE OWNERSHIP.

>> SO WHEN THEY TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY AND THIS LIEN EXISTED, IT THEN ATTACHED TO THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WERE THE OWNER. WHEN YOU DID A TITLE SEARCH YOU WOULD COME UP WITH EVERYTHING ON THIS AND IT WOULD SHOW THE PROPERTY.

>> THE TITLE SEARCH IS ON THE BUYER. >> THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TWO ADDRESSES HERE. THE LIEN THAT WAS PUT ON THIS PROPERTY WAS BECAUSE OF THE ED BURNS ROLE PROPERTY. SHE THOUGHT THIS SO YOU COULD MAKE THE CASE, THEY DID NOT HAVE A LIEN AGAINST IT, IT WAS PUT AGAINST NOT JUST THROUGH THE PROPERTY FOR WHICH THERE WAS THE

CODE ENFORCEMENT AND ANYTHING ELSE THE OWNER OWNS. >> THAT IS MY POLICY.

THAT IS OUR POLICY. OUR PROCEDURE, ORDINANCE. >> IF IT IS RECORDED THAT WAY

THEN SHE WAS IMPROPERLY NOTIFIED. >> SHE HAD CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE.

>> IF SOMEONE DID A TITLE SEARCH THEY WOULD FIND IT. >> YOU CAN SPEAK.

>> THEY WOULD HAVE FOUND IT ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY? >> YES.

>> THAT IS MY CONCERN. LET ME WORK HER WAY AROUND. >> WE DO NOT WANT TO BE BACK

AGAIN. LET'S FIX THIS IF WE CAN. >> HOW MUCH DO THEY OWE? TANGELO. JUST A SECOND. WILL YOU LOOK IT UP?

IF YOU WILL JUST STATE YOUR NAME. >> I AM TINA CAMPBELL.

I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY, I DID NOT GO TO THE TAX DEED TO PURCHASE IT.

IT WAS UP FOR SALE INTO -- 2010 I PURCHASED IT IN 2019 OFF OF THE LAND FOR SALE APPLICATION.

I WENT IN I SPOKE TO THE PEOPLE AT THE COURTHOUSE AND SHE TOLD ME THERE ARE LIENS NOT ON THIS PROPERTY BUT ON THE PREVIOUS OWNER. SHE SAID GO TALK TO, THE

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BUILDING, ON THE THIRD FLOOR, I SPOKE TO A LADY NAMED BRENDA AND AN OFFICE IN THE BACK.

WE SPOKE FOR 30 MINUTES SHE LOOKED UP THE PROPERTY ISSUES THAT YOU WILL BE FINE, THIS PROPERTY IT DOES NOT HAVE A LIEN. WHEN YOU BECOME THE LIEN -- NEW OWNER OF THE LIEN WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST YOU. SO I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

I DID NOT KNOW UNTIL LAST YEAR THAT IT WAS ON THE PROPERTY. SHE TOLD ME WHEN I BECAME THE NEW OWNER THE LIEN WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST ME. I WENT TO THE BACK OF ZONING.

I WENT TO THE LEFT A REALLY NICE OFFICE THAT GOES TWO WAYS. SHE SAID THE LIEN WOULD NOT COUNT AGAINST ME. THEN I FILED THIS. I DID PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO THE PROPERTY. YOU COULD NOT EVEN ACCESS FROM PROPERTY.

I HAD A ROADWAY AND A DRIVEWAY BUILT IN. THAT IS THE INFORMATION I WAS TOLD. I DID NOT PURCHASE IT FROM A TAX DEED I PURCHASED IT OFF-LINE.

>> I HAVE PICTURES IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. >> DID YOU DO A TITLE SEARCH?

>> I DID NOT DO A TITLE SEARCH. I MET WITH TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHAT I HAVE THE E-MAILS.

I E-MAILED SOMEONE NAME TAMMY I E-MAILED HER I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE ABOUT THE PROPERTY BEFORE I PURCHASED IT. THEY SAID IT WAS ONLY IN THE OWNER'S NAME AND WHEN I PURCHASED IT WOULD NOT BE HELD I DID PUT A LOT OF WORK INTO IT.

>> ARE YOU LIVING THERE RIGHT NOW? >> SR, ME AND MY THREE KIDS.

I PAID ALL OF THE IMPACT FEES ON THE PROPERTY. BOAT LIEN ATTACHES TO THE PROPERTY AFTER IT HAS BEEN PLACE AGAINST THE OWNER. HOW IS THAT REGISTERED, WHEN YOU

PICK THAT UP TO LOOK AT BUYING A DOES IT SAY ANYTHING ON THEIR? >> FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT IS WHAT THE TITLE SEARCH DOES. IT IS LISTED, IT IS LISTED AS IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE WITH THE DEEDS OF THE LIENS THAT WE TURN IN FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT, I DON'T THINK WHEN YOU PULL IT UP, LIKE IF THEY CALLED AND ASKED WAS THERE A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE THERE WHICH

SHOW THERE'S NOT A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE. >> I USED TO BUY THESE THINGS

AND YOU COULD IT FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT. >> THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY KNOW. IS THERE ANY WAY TO SAY G IS A TITLE COMPANY OR AN ATTORNEY.

I DID IT MYSELF. I'M FROM LIVE OAK AND I WORK AT JACKSONVILLE HOSPITAL.

I WANTED TO MOVE BACK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M USED TO WAS LOOKING AND THAT IS HOW I CAME ACROSS THE LAND. I WAS TALKING TO THE PEOPLE IN THE COURTHOUSE AND I E-MAILED THE PEOPLE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID WHEN I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.

>> MY FEELING IS THAT, I THINK THEY HAVE OTHER PROPERTIES AND SHE HAS ALREADY SPENT MONEY TO PUT THE PROPERTY BACK ON THE MARKET. I DO THINK, WE NEED TO NOTE THAT

SO WE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WELCOME AND WE ARE GLAD TO HAVE YOU. ONE QUESTION THAT CAME UP, IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, IT IS CLEARLY NOT A HOMESTEAD, OBVIOUSLY IT WAS A VACANT PIECE OF PROPERTY AND NO HOMESTEAD

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BECAUSE OF IT BEING BUSINESS OWN. IS THERE WAY WE COULD TARGET THOSE FOR THE FORECLOSURE. BECAUSE IF THAT HAD NOT HAPPENED SHE WOULD BE IN THIS POSITION EITHER. I DO LEAN TOWARDS THE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY ITSELF HAS NEVER HAD A CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATION AND SHE HAS MADE THE PROPERTY VERY

NICE. AT IT ANY RATE, YES. >> THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WE LOOK AT. TYPICALLY THE FIRST ONE. IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A HOMESTEAD

WE GO TO THE NEXT STEP. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WE COULD

FORECLOSE ON NOW SO WE CAN GET THIS TAKEN CARE OF? >> FOR THE PURPOSE OF

INVESTMENT. >> I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THIS SO WE CAN QUICKLY.

WE SHOULDN'T DO BUSINESS AS NORMAL WHEN THEY HAVE VIOLATIONS AND LIENS.

>> AND THEY'RE NOT PAYING THEIR TAXES. >> MY QUESTION IS, WHY HAS IT

NOT BEEN DONE YET. >> WE HAVE THREE OF THEM BOOKED RIGHT NOW.

IT SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE. >> WE APPRECIATE IT. BEST OF LUCK IN YOUR NEW HOME.

>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION ON THIS PARTIAL LIEN REDUCTION.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I HEAR NINE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

[10. Lien Reduction]

ANY OPALS THAT CARRIES 5-0. >> THE SECOND ONE IS A LITTLE MORE SIMPLE.

JOSHUA STEVENS IS REQUESTING A REMOVAL TO REDUCE THE LIEN. THIS CASE WAS ACTIVE FOR EIGHT MONTHS. VIOLATION OF JAH REID DEBRIS. AS OF APRIL 28 THE VIOLATIONS WERE COLLECTED STAFFS COSTS BEING 1700. ON AUGUST 5, 221, HE RECOMMENDED THAT THE LIEN BE REDUCED. THE DECISION WAS BASED ON THE OWNER WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION HE WAS UNABLE TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY TO REMEDY THE VIOLATION.

HE ALSO HAD TO CATCH UP ON THE DELINQUENT TAXES THAT WERE DUE. MR. STEVENSON HERE TODAY TOO.

>> DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM HIM? >> WHERE ARE YOU? >> SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, STANDBY.

IDENTIFY YOURSELF. >> JOSH STEVENS. >> OR THE OWNER HAD THE ADDRESS.

WHAT TRANSPIRED TO PUT YOU IN THIS SITUATION. >> I WAS GOING THROUGH A DIVORCE. THE COURTS ALLOWED MY EX-WIFE TO STAY THERE AND THE AGREEMENT WAS, I HAD TO FIND SOMEWHERE ELSE TO LIVE AND SHE LIVES IN MY HOUSE.

DURING THAT TIME, SHE SOMEHOW CHANGED THE PAPERWORK AND MY TAX INFORMATION WENT TO HER MOTHER'S HOUSE. WHEN THEY FILED NOTICES AND INFORMED ME TOO FIX AN ISSUE I NEVER RECEIVED ANYTHING. WHEN I DID FIND OUT, I CONTACTED THE OFFICE AND SHE INFORMED ME

OF EVERYTHING AND I DEALT WITH IT IMMEDIATELY. >> ARE YOU LIVING IN THE

PROPERTY NOW? >> NO, SIR, I AM WAITING ON MY LEASE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? >> WHERE YOU LIVING AT THE

PROPERTY WHERE THE BY ELECTIONS HAPPEN? >> I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE SINCE

2018. >> YOU WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T VISIT YOU WERE INSTRUCTED NOT TO VISIT, THAT EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T RECEIVE

ANY NOTICES. >> YES, THE FAMILY TOLD ME EVERYTHING WAS GOOD TO GO SO I

TOOK THEIR WORD FOR IT. >> OTHER THAN THIS, YOU ARE GOOD TO GO.

>> I HAVE WORKED OVERTIME TO MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYTHING DONE. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE IT CARRIES 5-0.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> WE ARE PAST 5:00 P.M. SO WE WILL MOVE TO THE TIME CERTAIN'S

[17. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard: Ordinance and Resolution to Amend the Capital Improvement Element (CIE)]

THIS IS BASED ON THE FISCAL YEARS 21-26. ORIGINALLY ORIGINALLY WHEN WE DID THE TOWN HALLS, AS YOU KNOW WE WERE NOT IN BALANCE, DUE TO SOME CHANGES TO THE CIP, ONE WHICH WAS UPDATED. WE MOVED SOME FIRE STATIONS PASS THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN.

APPROVAL MOVING CERTAIN PROJECTS THIS WAS RIGHT HERE. HERE IS THE CURRENT CIP.

WE CAN GO THROUGH EACH SIDE, THEY WERE ALL IN YOUR BOOKS. THIS IS THE PARKS AND ENVIRONMENTAL SECTION. YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY SECTION THAT ARE MOVED.

THIS IS OTHER PROJECTS ON THE LIST WHICH INCLUDES ADDING THE YEARS FOR ROAD PAVING DRAIN AND WARM WATER. AND THIS IS THE OTHER PROJECT SUCH AS THE ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING WHICH WE DID MOVED TO REFLECT US GETTING THE APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN.

YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER PROJECT LISTED ON THE NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN, WE DID REFLECT THE PLANS WITH THE STARS BESIDE THEM. YOU HAVE GIVEN US AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE AHEAD. THE ONES IN YELLOW, TWO OF WHICH ARE TO MOVE OUT OF CIP.

THE NEXT LINE. WHAT ARE WE ASKING FOR TONIGHT. THE DECISION WOULD BE TO ADOPT IT AS PRESENTED. AFTER THE BUDGET, WE WILL KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON OTHER PROJECTS, WE WOULD THEN ASK TO GET A LIST OF ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE CHANGED OVER THE NEXT WEEK. THEN WE WOULD COME BACK AT A FUTURE MEETING.

WE WERE CITING THAT FOR OCTOBER 12. WE HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CHANGING THAT DATE FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE INPUT ON THE REDESIGN CIP WITHIN THE ADOPTION DATE TO REFLECT THE PROJECTS YOU WANT TO MOVE AND TO APPROVE AN UPDATED CIP WE WANT TO ASK AND WE HAVE

IT AS PRESENTED. >> GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST SLIDE WHEN YOU SAY REVENUES AND WHY THERE IS SUCH A DISPARITY. SO, FISCAL YEAR 2023, YOU ARE TALKING, WHAT ARE THOSE.

THOSE, THE TERM REVENUE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE. THIS IS WHAT WE START EACH YEAR AND IT SHOWS YOUR YOUR BALANCE. THAT SHOULD'VE BEEN ANOTHER BULLET POINT BUT I APOLOGIZE FOR

THAT. >> DURING THE WORKSHOP WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HAVING ORDINANCES.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ONE YET WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT. AS SOMEONE THE MODEL WE WERE USING FOR THE DOG HAS CAUSED US TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE BRING YOU, WE THINK WILL HOLD UP IN COURT. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COURT SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PUT THE CITATIONS IN PLACE. WE CAN BRING THAT BACK BEFORE THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

>> WE WANT TO SEE THAT BEFORE WE SPEND MONEY ON THIS THING. >> ON COUNTY ALSO JUST PASSED

SOME ANIMAL ORDINANCE AND WE CAN ALWAYS GO ON THAT AS WELL. >> THE OTHER THING I HAD, IT WAS AN ITEM FOR PARKS. THERE WAS VIRTUALLY NO MONEY IN THERE I DISCUSSED THIS WITH MRS.

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MORGAN AND I GUESS THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE MONEY FOR SWING SETS AND DARTS ASPECT WILL THIS LAST

FIVE YEARS? >> THIS IS THE EQUIPMENT FOR PARKS AND RECREATION.

THAT IS FOR BUYING NEW TRUCKS OR LAWNMOWERS. THAT IS WHAT IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN USED FOR IN THE PAST. WE HAVE OUTSOURCED SOME OF THE STUFF AT THE PARK SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY AS MUCH EQUIPMENT. WE RECENTLY PURCHASED VEHICLES, SO HERE WAS NO NEED FOR NEW VEHICLES. THERE ARE THREE PLACES, WHERE WE WILL HAVE FUNDING FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. IT IS IN THEIR BUDGET BECAUSE IT IS A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE ITEM. IT'S NOT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUT THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THE RULE CAN BE REFLECTED IN THE FUTURE. IF YOU DECIDED TO BUILD A NEW PART, THAT WOULD BE AN ITEM. AND THE THIRD IS, WE HAVE PUT MONEY IN THE RESCUE PLAN FOR PARK IMPROVEMENTS BASED ON THE WEAR AND TEAR OF PARKS. IF YOU VOTE TO APPROVE IT WOULD BE IN YOUR PLAN. WHAT ARE THE RULES ON CAPITAL INVESTMENT DESIGNATION.

IN MY FORMER LIFE IT WAS FIVE YEARS. THEN THERE WOULD BE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SALES TAX AND WE WOULD GO THROUGH A STATUTORY ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE WHAT MONEY AND WHY

ISN'T IT ABOVE THE LINE. >> ANYTHING ELSE IS AN EXPENSE ITEM?

>> THE GENERAL BUDGET WOULD NOT BE IN THE PLAN. >> THEY HAVE POLICE CARS THAT

ARE CAPITAL. >> ONCE THEY ARE ELEVATED OVER 25,000.

I THINK THE CLERK, AND THE COMPTROLLER WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THIS YOU LOOK AT DEPRECIATION VERSUS REPLACEMENT AND THAT IS WHAT TROY WAS SAYING. THAT WOULD BE IN REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE. AN AIR CONDITIONING UNIT, THAT STUFF IS SOMETHING WE WOULD CAPITALIZE AND THAT INFORMATION IS INCLUDED IN THE ANNUAL FINANCIAL STATEMENT.

>> I'M ASKING WHY IS IT CAPITALIZE. IS IT GOING TO LAST FIVE YEARS?

WE WILL TAKE THIS UP. >> YOU WOULD NOT CAPITALIZE AN ITEM.

FOR YOUR EXAMPLE OF THE PROGRAM. IF IT IS IN DISARRAY, THAT WOULD BE A REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE.

>> BUT MOST ARE 25-30-YEARS-OLD. >> I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE CIP PLAN. WHY DON'T WE PULL THE RULES FOR YOU AND WE CAN HAVE IT AS A TAKE AWAY WE ARE LOOKING AT THE IN DEPTH WITH THE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE REFLECTING PROJECTS THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE. IF THERE'S A PROJECT OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, GIVE IT TO US SO WE CAN CONSIDER IS IT ELIGIBLE.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING, IT HAS TO BE NEW BUILD. OR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

>> I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW ROAD RESURFACING CAN BE CONSIDERED NEW BUT IT IS.

>> AND IF I MAY THE COUNTY MANAGER AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT REVIEWING THE CAPITAL POLICY AND MAKING SURE THAT BOTH BOTH OF US ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AS FAR AS WORK GOES IN VERSES, JUST STRAIGHT UP REPAIRS AND MAINTENANCE. WE DO HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT, THEY HAVE THE BOAT AND I'M ON THE BOARD AND OUR SUPERVISOR ELECTIONS WILL NOT BE HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN PUSH THAT OFF TO A SPECIAL MEETING AFTER THE FINANCE AND AUDIT. THAT WILL BE ONE WEEK FROM OCTOBER 26 THAT GIVES US TIME TO GET THE DEFINITIONS TO LOOK AT THE CIP A DETERMENT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AND FREE UP THE MONEY TO DO OTHER THINGS. MEGABYTE UP TO VOTE ON THAT IN TIME FOR OCTOBER 26. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE -- EVERYONE HAS THEIR SCHEDULES BUT

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WE CAN DO THAT TOMORROW MORNING. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION FOR THE WORKSHOP.

>> I WOULD ASK, IF YOU HAVE ITEMS YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER, IF YOU WOULD GIVE US THOSE SO WE CAN COME TO THE MEETING WITH A PLAN TO SEE HOW IT WILL FIT INTO THE PLAN WE DO NEED TO APPROVE WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US FOR THIS MOMENT SO WE CAN GO INTO THE SCHOOL YEAR WITH AN AUTHORIZED CIP. YEAH. BEFORE WE DO THAT WE DO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM 17.

NOW IS THE TIME. I DON'T SEE ANY. WE WILL GO BACK TO THE BOARD FOR

A MOTION OR MORE DISCUSSION. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY THE

COMMISSIONER, DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> I SECOND.

>> AND CONFIRM IT IS FOR THE ORDINANCE AND THE RESOLUTION. >> THAT IS WHAT I SAID.

IT IS A DELAY IN THE AUDIO. THAT IS WHAT I SAID, ORDINANCE AND THE RESOLUTION.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 4-1. PLEASE CHECK YOUR SCHEDULES, COUNTY MANAGER YOU WILL COORDINATE THAT WITH EVERYONE TOMORROW IN TERMS OF WHERE WE WILL GO.

>> WILL BE HERE. >> THAT IS WHY I SUGGESTED IT WOULD GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO

CHECK THEIR SCHEDULES BEFORE WE LOCKED SOMETHING IN THERE. >> AS ALWAYS, GOING TO THE CURRENT BUDGET BOOK AND THE DEFINITIONS, I WENT ONLINE AS WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION.

EVERY DEFINITION IS THERE. IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD BEARS ONE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT.

THE FIRST SENTENCES PROVIDING A PUBLIC FACILITY WHICH ARE TYPICALLY HIGH IN COST.

THERE ARE DETAILS AFTER THAT. IT ALSO GOES INTO CONSIDERATION UNDER FLORIDA STATE STATUTE 163, PARAGRAPH SEVEN. ALL OF THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE THERE, SINCE WE DID TRANSFER COMP DUTY TO THE CLERK WE HAVE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS ON WHICH ITEMS WOULD BE CONSIDERED AND HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR THOSE APPROPRIATELY IN THE BUDGET AND HOW THEY ARE PAID FOR ON THE COMPTROLLER'S I. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS DISCUSSION AND WE CAN GET MORE DETAILS TO THE COMMISSIONERS, BEHIND-THE-SCENES AND GET YOU READY FOR THE WORKSHOP.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? PLEASE DO YOUR HOMEWORK AND CHECK YOUR CALENDARS, WE WILL TRY TO TARGET OCTOBER 19, IF THAT'S NOT DOABLE, WE WILL WORK TO GET A DOABLE DATE FOR

[18. 5:05 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Second & Final Public Hearing - Adoption of Changes to Tentative Budget, Final Millage and Budget for FY 21/22]

EVERYONE. >> SO WE MOVE ON TO THE 2ND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED BEFORE WE GET TO THE FINAL BUDGET.

>> JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND. THE BUDGET WAS SET ON JULY 27.

WE HAVE SINCE HAD TIME ALL SPIRIT WE HAD ONE IN EACH DISTRICT TO PRESENT THE BUDGET.

WE HAD WORKSHOPS ON JULY 22 AND AUGUST 12. BUT TENDER BUDGET WAS POSTED ON

SEPTEMBER 10 AS REQUIRED BY LAW TO STATUTES. >> WE JUST GAVE A LIST OF THE HIGHLIGHTED FUNDS, NOT ALL OF THE FUNDS. JUST TO SHOW, THE EXPENDITURES AND THE GENERAL FUND DOWN THROUGH THE PROJECT. ON THIS SLIDE, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS AT THE LIES MEETING ON WHAT CHANGED AND THE CURRENT BUDGET.

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WE WERE REFLECTING SOME OF THE CHANGES, THE MAIN THING TO SHOW IS THAT WE ARE AND A BALANCED BUDGET. WHEN WE DID THE TOWN HALLS WE WERE SHOWING WE WERE A MILLION DOLLARS SHORT. THOSE WERE MADE UP IN THE BUDGET AS A WHOLE.

AS REQUIRED BY THE FINAL CHANGES BOARD MEETINGS OR BUDGET HEARINGS, IN YOUR PACKET THERE'S A LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS CHANGE. WE DID GET THE COST ALLOCATION STUDY IN WHICH GAVE US WHAT TO CHARGE BACK FOR WORKMEN'S COMP. SYLLABLES WERE UPDATED.

UPON APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET, WE WOULD HAVE ADDED $80,000 TO COVER THE SENIOR CENTERS TO INCREASE BOAT MAINTENANCE. CURRENTLY WE HAVE AN ALLOCATION OF A TOTAL OF $10,000.

ALSO REPAIRS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. COMBINED IT IS AN 80,000-DOLLAR INCREASE. ALSO LAST NIGHT WE WERE ASKED TO REFLECT BACK COUNSEL LEADERSHIP.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE CLEAR ABOUT REGIONAL COUNCIL FEE IS IN THE BUDGET BUT UNDER A DIFFERENT

LINE ITEM. >> IT IS REFLECTED IN THE COMMISSIONERS BUDGET.

IT IS REFLECTED UNDER YOUR DIVISION. YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOU CAN CHOOSE

TO LEAVE THE MONEY THERE, YOU CAN LINE ITEM IT SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> OKAY.

WE DON'T HAVE MEMBERSHIP NOW, BUT WE STILL NEED THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING.

>> I THINK THE NUMBER YOU ARE REFERRED TO ARE THE EXPENDITURES WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MAKE À LA

CART,. >> WE WILL BE PAIN EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T HAVE MEMBERSHIP?

>> WE PAID THOSE, WE PURCHASED FOR THAT. LIKE TRAINING PROGRAMS WITHOUT HAVING A FULL MEMBERSHIP. IF WE HAD A FULL MEMBERSHIP, THEY WOULD CREDIT THAT AMOUNT.

>> THAT NUMBER WAS FOR THE LAST YEAR, THE COMING YEAR,. >> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

>> I HAVE A LOT. >> THIS IS SUPPOSEDLY THE BACKUP THE COUNTY MANAGER WALKED IN 15 MINUTES BEFORE THIS MEETING AND GAVE ME A PIECE OF PAPER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO THIS IS, I ASKED THE CHIEF. I CAN'T REPORT THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

WHEN I WAS ORIGINALLY BRIEFED, I ASKED FOR A RATE OF RETURN. I GUESS THAT IS WHAT THIS IS

SUPPOSED TO BE. DID YOU GUYS GET THIS BEFORE ME? >> I DID ASK.

>> WHEN WERE THESE NUMBERS AVAILABLE? >> I ASKED FOR A CONFIRMATION, I

DID GET FROM THE CHIEF, WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY USING. >> WHEN WAS THAT?

>> LAST THURSDAY. >> COMMISSIONER, WHEN DID YOU GET YOURS?

>> WE HAVE BEEN BRIEFED, MY REGIONAL COUNCIL FUN IN THE &-@E PAST.

WE ASKED WHAT HAS BEEN AND WHAT THERE WERE A LOT MORE OPTIONS OPPORTUNITIES WE CAN PURSUE IF

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WE WERE EIGHT-MEMBER. TO JUSTIFY MEMBERSHIP IN THE REGIONAL COUNCIL.

IT APPEARS TO ME IT IS OF GOOD VALUE AND SHOULD BE PLACED THERE.

BUTTS IT'S WENTZ YOUR QUESTION, THAT DATA WAS PROVIDED TODAY. >> YOU GOT YOURS TODAY?

>> I ASKED FOR IT TODAY. >> I WANTED TO GET THIS BEFORE TONIGHT.

>> WHEN YOU GET YOURS? >> PRETTY MUCH AT THE SAME TIME AS EVERYONE ELSE.

I SORT OF KNEW THE NUMBERS ALREADY BECAUSE I SAT WITH THE FOLKS FROM THE PLANNING COUNCIL AND DISCUSSED WHAT WE WERE RECEIVING AND DOING AND THE APPROXIMATE DOLLAR COST.

TODAY, CRYSTALLIZED TERMS OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. THIS IS WHAT WE RECEIVED FROM PEOPLE ON THE PLANNING COUNCIL. I HEARD THAT THE CHIEF HAD REQUESTED TO PUT SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER AND I THINK HE JUST LOOKED THROUGH TODAY OR LATE YESTERDAY BUT I DID GET THESE TODAY. JUST VERIFY WHAT I ALREADY KNEW THROUGH MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE

DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING OUNCE. >> I DISCUSSED IT WITH HIM TOO AND THE NUMBERS WERE NOT

AVAILABLE. >> DID YOU GET YOURS? >>

>> BY ALL MEANS THAT PIECE OF PAPER, THERE ARE MANY THAT WERE SPENT ON PARTICULAR PROGRAMS THAT ARE OFFERED BY THE REGIONAL COUNCIL. BRINSON A STRATEGY A STRATEGY THAT WE EMPLOY AND GET HELP WITH AS THE CHAIRMAN MENTIONED WE WILL BE DOING ALL A CARD.

AND ONCE THE TEAM HAS MEANT HOW MUCH OF WE SPENT ON EACH ONE OF THE FISCAL YEARS AND THAT IS WHAT IS WHAT SHOWS. IF YOU WERE TO DO A RETURN ON INVESTMENT THAT BECOMES DIFFICULT. IT WOULD BE WHATEVER GRANTS BOOK COUNSEL HELP YOU WITH.

WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU CLAIM FROM THE ORGANIZATION. FOR INSTANCE, ANYTHING THAT BORDERS THE COUNTY THAT MAY BE SUPPORTED BY THE COUNCIL OR OTHERS OUT THERE, IT PROVIDES AWARENESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT WITH THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR END HOW MUCH WE HAD IN THE BUDGET FOR PARTICULAR THINGS, ANOTHER WOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE EMERGENCY PLAN, AND THEN ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE AN EXERCISE WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO CONDUCT EVERY OTHER YEAR OR EVERY FEW YEARS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE READY.

THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE EXAMPLES. THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS WERE IN THE BUDGET TO COVER SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS NOT AN ROI AND I WOULD NOT ATTEMPT TO SAY THAT WAS IT. OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEARS THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE, REALLY TO FIGURE OUT THE ROI IS A DIFFICULT THING.

I KNOW THE MEMBERS ARE PRESENT HERE AND MAYBE THEY COULD ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD BEFORE

WE GET INTO THE BUDGET FORMALITIES. >> I WAS NOT SOLD ON THIS.

I DID SPOKE -- SPEAK TO THE COMMISSIONER WHO WAS NOT A MEMBER AND I WAS NOT SOLD ON IT.

THERE ARE TWO ISSUES GOING FORWARD THAT CONCERNS ME THAT I THINK WE MAY WANT A SEAT AT THE TABLE. ONE ONE DAY ALLUDED TO WAS BROADBAND.

COMING UP WITH BROADBAND SOLUTIONS MAY BE SOMETHING WE CAN ACCOMPLISH BETTER REGIONAL EVENT WE CAN WITH THE MONEY WE HAVE ALLOCATED. I GUESS THAT IS OUT FOR A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL SPIRIT WE SHOULD BE HEARING BACK ON PROPOSALS.

THOSE WHO PAY ATTENTION FOR BROADBAND, YOU ASKED ME ABOUT IT WEEKLY.

WE MAY BE ABLE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT AN ISSUE BEFORE THE PANDEMIC.

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THE OTHER ONE I JUST BECAME A WHERE A THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT APPROVED BY THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE THAT GOES UP AGAINST THE COUNTY LINE. IT HAS SEVEN HOMES PER ACRE.

BECAUSE THEY ARE PUTTING SO HOME -- SO MANY HOMES PER ACRE ON FLAT, SANDY LAND, OUT ON THE WEST SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE, WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR MAJOR FLOODING ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT LINES UP. SITTING HERE TODAY, WE DID NOT HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE.

THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT DID NOT HAVE A CONVERSATION THERE WERE NO PHONE CALLS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN MITIGATED WHERE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME SORT OF AN AGREEMENT MADE WHERE THEY WOULD MOVE THE WATER IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. THE OTHER WAS JUST WOULD EXPECT THE CHANCELLOR OF THE CONNECTOR WORK BUT REGIONALLY, MAYBE WE COULD.

I DON'T KNOW. THOSE THREE THINGS CAME INTO MY MIND AS WELL, JUST TO ADD TO THE

CONVERSATION. >> WHENEVER MS. PAYNE SPOKE TO US, I DID NOT -- A LOT OF IT DID NOT MAKE SENSE. JUST LIKE THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WHEN YOU THINK OF THINGS HAPPENING IN YOUR DISTRICT, I THINK THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN EASIER WAY FOR HER TO EXPLAIN OF COURSE, WHEN WE THINK WHAT AFFECTS PERSONALLY, THAT WOULD MEAN MORE.

I THINK DEFINITELY, FLOODING ISSUES, WE HAVE EVERYWHERE. SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE MISSING OUT ON HIS BACK. I AM IN SUPPORT OF IT. I THINK, 30,000 DOLLARS EXTRA

WOULD -- WE CAN MAKE THAT UP AND WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR US. >> OKAY.

COMMISSIONER DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD? HE WAS JUST STANDING THERE

WAITING. SAY A FEW WORDS. >> MY NAME IS ERIC ANDERSON.

I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF OF BETH WHO HAS ANOTHER COMMITMENT. I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT BECAUSE I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. UNDER UR NEW LEADERSHIP SOME OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE IS IMPLEMENT A STRATEGY AND PROGRAMS THAT REPORTS BACK TO YOU AS A COUNTY EACH YEAR ON THE DIRECT AND INDIRECT ROI. WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO ADDRESS THE PROJECTS COULD HAVE A MORE DIRECT IMPACT. THE COMMISSIONERS CAN HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE YOUR MONEY IS GOING AND WHERE THEY ARE BEING COMMITTED.

>> THE SECOND COMPONENT, WE HAVE DEVELOP THE PLAN BY THE BOARD THAT'S MADE UP OF ELECTED OFFICIALS IN THE REGION. CLAY COUNTY BEING AT THE TABLE ALLOWS YOU TO DEVELOP PROGRAMMING, STRATEGIES AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO IMPLEMENT THE STRATEGIES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. NOT ONLY ARE YOU PROVIDING DIRECTION YOU'RE GETTING FEEDBACK ON WHERE THE DOLLARS ARE GOING AND THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT FOR THE COUNTY.

I JUST WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS THAT. >> THANK YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE IT. >> ANY ORGANIZATION THAT EXPANDS YOUR REGION ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE MORE RESOURCES IS A GOOD ONE. WE BELONG TO THE TPL YOU ACTUALLY PAY IT $53,000 PER YEAR TO BE A MEMBER. I ENVISION THIS TO BE SIMILAR IF WE TAKE ADVANTAGE AND FORCE THEM TO PAY ATTENTION AND DELIVER WHAT WE NEED AND MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WILL THEY CAN DO TO HELP US GET THERE. COMMISSIONER SENT ME OF AND I WAS WAITING TO GET BACK FROM VACATION TO INTRODUCE THE -- HE IS ALREADY SET ME UP WITH CHARTER COMMUNICATIONS.

THIS WAS ONE PHONE CALL AND ONE INSTANCE OF SOMETHING THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TO US RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I AM WILLING TO GIVE IT A SHOT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CONTRACT WITH THEM ANYWAY.

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FROM THAT STANDPOINT, UP UNTIL RECENTLY, SEEN HOW IMPORTANT BROADBAND IS TO THE COUNTY WE NEED TO MOVE THAT AHEAD. I SEE THIS AS A VEHICLE TO DO THAT.

WITH THAT SAID, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> IT WOULD BE A MOTION AS PART

OF THE BUDGET. >> WE WILL MOVE TO NUMBER 18. >> ONE OTHER THING, IF THERE IS A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT ITEM UNDER NUMBER 8-1 THAT CAN HAPPEN.

I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO THINK, YOU CAN SPECIFICALLY CALL THAT ONE OUT.

ADOPTING FINAL BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2021-2022 ON THIS SEPTEMBER 28-231.

THE COUNTY MANAGER WILL TAKE IT FROM THERE. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN IMPORT. THE TERM PROCESS IS GOVERNED BY FLORIDA STATE STATUTE AND COMMONLY KNOWN AS TRUTH AND MILLAGE. IT IS SET FOR THE CALCULATION AND BUDGET OF THE COUNTY AND ITS DISTRICTS. TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE REQUIRED TO ADOPT THE BUDGET. THIS IS THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING AS ADVERTISED SEPTEMBER 23, 2021 IN THE NEWSPAPER, CLAY TODAY. THE PROCESS REQUIRES THE FIRST ISSUE SHALL BE THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE OVER THE ROLLBACK RATE NECESSARY TO FUND THE BUDGET AND THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE REVENUES ARE INCREASED OVER THE RATE.

THE FISCAL YEAR 21, 2022 ACCURATE MILLAGE RATE AND LAW ENFORCEMENT MST YOU FUN -- FONDANT. FIRE CONTROL WAKE AS MARRIED. CHALLENGE OF ROADWAY MST YOU.

EXPENDITURES HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT NECESSARY UPDATES TO WORKERS COMPENSATION CHARGES, CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS AND AGREEMENTS. THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS MUST APPROVE THREE SEPARATE REVOLUTIONS AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THE FIRST ONE ADOPTS THE PROPOSED CHANGES SINCE THE FIRST AND BRIEFED BY CHOI AND HIS POWER POINT. THE FINAL ONE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021-322 FOR THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. THE THIRD RESOLUTION ADOPTS THE FINAL BUDGET FOR COUNTY

COMMISSIONERS IN THE LAKE AS MARY FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021-2022. >> THANK YOU WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME. I DO HAVE A NUMBER OF CARDS, WE WILL GO IN ORDER.

IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK HAVE THEM TURN IN A CARD AND WE WILL LET YOU DO THAT. WE DO HAVE MR. LEE. YOU ARE UP FIRST.

MS. MILLER YOU ARE NEXT. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TOO SPEAK. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU VOTE YES FOR THE BUDGET.

MAINLY BECAUSE WE CANNOT CHARGE THE OTHER COUNTIES FOR CHANGING -- CHARGING THEIR OFFICERS ANYMORE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESPONSE TIME IMPROVED AND FOR THEM TO HAVE THE BEST EQUIPMENT POSSIBLE AS FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE FOR MYSELF.

FOR EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM, SOONER OR LATER, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, YOU WILL HAVE TO PICK UP

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THE PHONE WHETHER IT IS FOR YOU, FAMILY MEMBER OR SOMEONE, YOU WILL HAVE TO DIAL 911.

WE WANT TO STAY HEALTHY ALL OF OUR LIVES BUT IT DOES NOT HAPPEN.

YOU WANT THE BEST PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AT YOUR HOUSE TO HELP. WHETHER FIRE RISK OR FIRE SAFETY. WE ALREADY HAVE THE BEST, LET'S GIVE THEM THE EQUIPMENT THEY NEED. EVERYONE ELSE THAT'S RIGHT WE CANNOT MATCH EVERYONE ELSE BUT WE CAN GIVE THEM MORE FOR WHAT THEY ARE DOING BECAUSE THEY DESERVE IT.

>> MS. MILLER COME DOWN. TERESA BROWN YOU ARE ON DECK. >> THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE

OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. >> JUST PULLED THE MICROPHONE DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

>> I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID IN SUPPORT OF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, TO ME, NOT ONLY DO WE WANT TO KEEP THE WONDERFUL PEOPLE, WE WANT TO GET NEW PEOPLE INTO TRAIN AND COMPENSATE THEM. I AM SURE THERE IS EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND DIFFERENT ITEMS BUT WHATEVER THEY NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL THEY NEED BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR US.

EVERY DAY THINK IT UP TO WORK AND THEY DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE COMING HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES.

I PRAY FOR THEM. LET'S HELP THEM HELP US. >> TERESA BROWN IS TERESA STILL HERE? WE WILL GRAB HER THE NEXT TIME. JUST A REMINDER, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU COME UP. I'VE BEEN ONE -- I'VE BEEN TO THE MEETING SPIRIT I DIDN'T SPEAK AT THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET INFORMATION.

IT'S REALLY EYE-OPENING. I WAS REALLY UPSET. I SCREENSHOT -- THE JOB IS ON THE SITE AND I THINK WE NEED TO FIX THAT. FOR A FIREFIGHTER OR POLICE OFFICER TO RENT A HOUSE IN CLAY COUNTY TODAY, THE AVERAGE RENTAL ON A SINGLE-FAMILY HOME IS ABOUT , I'M SORRY, $1,600 PER MONTH. MOST PROPERTY MANAGERS REQUIRE THREE TIMES THE RENT. WE NOTE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SPOUSE OR SOMEONE TO HELP THEM OUT. THAT IS 52% OF THEIR PAY IN RENT ALONE.

AT $38,000 STARTING PAY. 30,000 DOLLARS FOR A POLICE OFFICER FOR A DEPUTY AND THAT HAS BEEN THE SAME FOR SIX YEARS, SINCE 2016. MOST EMPLOYERS GIVE OF RAISE EVERY FEW YEARS. $76,000 PER YEAR. YOU CAN SEE, EVEN WITH THE NEW BUDGET IT WON'T GET THEM CLOSE TO THAT BUT IT DOES HELP. ALSO FIREFIGHTER SAFETY.

I PUT IT TO YOU LIKE THIS. THERE IS INHERENT SAFETY ISSUES WHEN FIRST RESPONDERS ARE SHORTSTAFFED AND PEOPLE LEAVING EVERY DAY. YOU HAVE FIREFIGHTERS GOING TO

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CALLS AND THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE. I CAN ASSURE YOU THERE SHOULD BE MORE THAN ONE OR TWO DEPUTIES THERE. TIME AND TIME AGAIN, THEY HAVE PROVEN THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF OUR COMMUNITY AND A TIME OF CRISIS THAT WE HAVE FAILED TO GIVE THEM A LIVING WAGE. IT'S TIME WE INVEST IN THEM. ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I

APPRECIATE EVERYONE OF YOU FOR SUPPORTING THIS BUDGET. >>

>> I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO. REGISTERED VOTER, REGISTERED TAXPAYER. I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING ONE THING , WE GET LOST IN THE NUMBERS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE BIG NUMBERS BRINGING IT DOWN TO THE SIMPLE FACT THIS IS CONSIDERED $26,000 PER $38,000 IS STARTING PAY BUT AFTER TAXES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, STARTING DEPUTIES COME IN AT 28,000.

I WANT YOU TO LET THAT SINK IN. THANK YOU. >> NEXT.

TANGELO RICH 11 EDINBURG. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE INDULGE ME BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN QUITE A WHILE UNTIL I WAS ABLE TO ADDRESS -- ADDRESS MY AUDIENCE.

MY VOICE IS RUSTY BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY LATELY BUT I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS

WILL FIND THAT TOO HARD TO SWALLOW. >> I AM HERE PRIMARILY BECAUSE I STAND WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS, ALL OF THEM AND I WOULD HOPE THAT IT IS UNNECESSARY THAT YOU HAVE MADE UP YOUR MIND TO HELP IMPROVE THEIR LIVES. MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THEM TO STAY HERE AND NOT BE CHASED OUT TO ANOTHER COUNTY. WE NEED THEM HERE, FOR WHAT WE ARE PAYING THEM, I AM PRETTY MUCH ASHAMED THAT IT IS AS LOW AS IT IS.

THEY DESERVE SO MUCH MORE. SO MUCH MORE THAN WE COULD AFFORD TO GIVE THEM BUT THEY DESERVE IT. IT HAS BEEN SAID MANY TIMES BEFORE, I HAVE NEVER NEEDED AN ACTOR OR AN ATHLETE OR POLITICIAN, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE PULLING DOWN, COMPARED TO FIRST RESPONDERS, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. THE RIGHT THING HAS TO BE DONE.

WE NEED TO STEP UP AND DO THIS. I'M HOPING THAT WHAT I AM SAYING WILL BE COMPLETELY REDUNDANT.

I THINK WE WANT TO URGE YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I SPOKE ON THIS MANY YEARS AGO.

THE DEVOTION TO A MINDLESS MEME LIKE NO NEW TAXES DOES NOT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.

OFFICERS DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY WILL SEE AT A SIMPLE TRAFFIC STOP.

SOME OF THE FIREFIGHTERS DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO -- THINK THEY WILL GO INTO A BURNING BUILDING, BUT THERE'S THIS ONE TIME THAT SOME WILL NOT COME OUT OF THE BURNING BUILDING. THOSE FAMILIES ARE SHATTERED FOREVER.

I THINK WE HAS A COMMUNITY NEED TO STAND UP, JOIN HANDS AND DO SOMETHING FOR THEM.

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THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> I AM BACK AGAIN WITH MY

SUPPORT SHIRT AND I AM STILL NERVOUS. >> I'M SURE THE SHERIFF WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT. TEN SHE TAKES CARE OF MY DAUGHTER REALLY WELL.

>> I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TWO THINGS TODAY. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE PROTECTED AND CARED FOR.

IT IS YOUR FRONT'S ABILITY TO MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS. WOULD BE DOING A GRAVE INJUSTICE IF YOU DIDN'T GO TO IMPROVE THE BUDGET. HE SAID THE LAST MEETING IT WAS $8 PER MONTH AND THAT CAN BE A HARDSHIP. I THINK OF YOU TYPICALLY CAN'T SEE INSURANCE BUT YOU CAN SEE A YOU CAN SEE AN EMT. YOU CAN HEAR A DISPATCHER.

YOU CAN SEE A DEPUTY COMING WHEN YOU ARE NOT SAFE. THIS INSURANCE POLICY IS CALLED SAFE AND SECURE AND CARED FOR BY THE FIRST RESPONDERS FOR ONLY $8 PER MONTH.

MY SECOND.IS A LIST. I WORK AS A SCHOOL SECRETARY AND THE CHANCES THAT I AM KILLED WHILE SITTING AT MY DESK ARE SLIM TO NONE. HERE ARE LIST OF FIRST RESPONDERS THAT HAVE BEEN KILLED GARDEN VALLEY IDAHO FIREFIGHTER. NORTH LITTLE ROCK ARKANSAS FIREFIGHTER GOT. COLUMBUS OHIO FIREFIGHTER FRANK DUFF JUNIOR.

DENVER COLORADO FIREFIGHTER JEFFREY BILLINGSLEY. OKLAHOMA EMT ANGEL BOYD.

SOUTH METRO COLORADO ANTHONY PALLOTTA. INGLE PASSED TEXAS FIREFIGHTER AND EMT. STONY POINT NEW YORK, JOEY. NEW HAVEN OFFICER JOSHUA CASTELLANO. MINNEAPOLIS OFFICER LOW COMPARED UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS POLICE LIEUTENANT. NEW YORK DEPUTY MATTHEW LOCKE. INDEPENDENT POLICE OFFICER BLAZE EVANS. AND CLOSE TO HOME AND TRAGICALLY NASSAU COUNTY DEPUTY JOSH MOYERS AND JUST TODAY CRINKLES SPRINGS CHIEF. GOD HAS TWO ANGEL HEROES WITH HIM IN HEAVEN I PRAY FOR THE FAMILIES AS THEY MOURN THEIR LOSS OF.

AND I CAN CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS OF CLAY COUNTY.

THANK YOU. >> ON THE CARDS I HAVE AT THIS TIME, DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO

SPEAK, CAN I GET YOU TO FILL OUT A CARD. >> IF YOU WOULD JUST IDENTIFY

YOURSELF. THANK YOU. >> I'M ( INDISCERNIBLE ) I HAVE PROPERTY IN CLAY COUNTY AND MIDDLEBURG. I HAVE IT IN ORANGE PARK.

YES, I WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE TAXES. WE KNOW WHAT THEY NEED.

WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THE FIRST RESPONDERS NEED. I WANT TO SPEAK AS A COMMUNITY.

I AM PROUD OF THIS COMMUNITY. I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 17-18 YEARS AND I LOVE IT.

IT IS HARD FOR ME TOO TALK ABOUT THIS. I AM A MOTHER, I'M ALSO DISABLED MENTAL HEALTH. THERE ARE NUMEROUS TIMES, THAT I HAVE HAD TO GIVE FIRST RESPONDERS SUPPORT. THIS IS HOW I FEEL KNOWING THAT SOMEONE IS THERE FOR ME.

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KNOWING THAT IF I NEED HELP, THEY WILL TREAT ME WITH RESPECT, EVEN THE PERSON WHO HAS A DISABILITY IS TREATED WITH RESPECT. I AM PRETTY SURE, AS WE ALL KNOW , OE TIME I HAD TO CALL HE CAME TO HELP. THERE WERE A FEW OFFICERS THERE.

HE CAME. OFFICER SIEGEL CAME AND WASHED HIS HANDS BEFORE THEY TOOK HIM.

FOR ME, THAT IS CLAY COUNTY. FOR ME THAT IS LOVE. IF WE DO NOT SUPPORT THEM, WE WILL AFFECT THE COMMUNITY. WE NEED THE PEOPLE TO BE READY WE NEED THERE TO BE MORE PEOPLE DEALING WITH THIS. MAY DEAL WITH PEOPLE WITH BIPOLAR DISORDERS, SCHIZOPHRENIC AND YOU NAME IT. IF THEY MAKE A LITTLE MISTAKE BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO TREAT THEM THEY ARE LIABLE. THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT IS LIABLE FOR THAT WE HAVE SEEN IT MANY TIMES. I PREFER TO USE MY TAXES HELP THEM TO STAY HERE IN THE COUNTY AND BE MORE PREPARED TO HELP PEOPLE AND FAMILIES LIKE ME. I BELIEVE EVERYONE KNOWS SOMEONE EITHER YOUR NEIGHBOR OR SOMEONE IN THE FAMILY THAT HAS ANSELL ISSUES.

WHO IS THERE TO HELP YOU, YES, WE HAVE THE DEPARTMENTS BUT THE POLICE COME TO HELP.

PLEASE SUPPORT THEM, WE NEED THEM. >> THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYONE.

>> WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD AND KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN.

ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? >> ALWAYS ASKED ME TOO GO FIRST. >> I'M RIGHT-HANDED.

>> I GUESS I CAN ADDRESS THINGS. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO THANK THE VOTERS IN DISTRICT FOUR BECAUSE I ASKED FOR PEOPLE TO REACH OUT TO ME AND THEY DID. MY PHONE RANG A LOT.

TO A PERSON, EVERY SINGLE VOTERS THAT THEY FULLY SUPPORT THE FIRST RESPONDERS.

I ALSO WILL SAY TO A PERSON THAT EVERYONE WHO CONTACTED ME THAT DID NOT HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, POLICE DEPARTMENT OR COUNTY DEPARTMENT DID NOT ASKED ME TOO CHANGE MY VOTE. I SPOKE TO A RESTAURANT OWNER WHO SAID, I HAVE NOT COLLECTED A PAYCHECK IN OVER TWO YEARS. I CAN BARELY AFFORD TO KEEP MY DOOR OPEN.

AND PROPERTY VALUES WENT UP THIS YEAR. I SPOKE TO ANOTHER YOUNG NAVY FAMILY WHO HAD SAVED AND FOUR YEARS AGO BOUGHT A FAMILY HOUSE WHERE HE GREW UP.

HE SAID, I MAY HAVE TO PUT MY HOUSE UP FOR SALE BECAUSE MY PROPERTY VALUE INCREASED SO MUCH MARK PROPERTY VALUE WENT UP 22%. IT IS NOT JUST A DOLLARS PER MONTH.

THAT'S MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE PAYING ON A $250,000 HOUSE. BUT IN CLAY COUNTY THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF HOUSES LESS THAN $250,000. I THINK THERE IS MISINFORMATION OUT THERE. I DID HEAR FROM SOME EMPLOYEES, THAT DID NOT WANT ME TOO GIVE INFORMATION ABOUT WHERE THEY WORK BUT THEY SAID THEY WERE TOLD THERE WOULD BE NO RAISES WITHOUT A TAX INCREASE. OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT BUDGET INCREASED $8 MILLION, JUST BECAUSE PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE. WE COULD GIVE RAISES TO THE

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FIRST RESPONDERS AND THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES, WITHOUT RAISING THE COMPANY TAXES.

I KNOW IT WOULD BE A STRETCH, BUT I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT WASTE THAT GOES ON.

WHEN I ASKED FOR IN JULY AND DID NOT GET. THAT IS WHY I MADE MY DECISION IN ADDITION TO TALKING TO THE VOTERS, WE DID NOT COME BACK. IT WAS IMPROVED AND SIGNED OVER SIX MONTHS AGO. NOW THE COUNTY HAS TO PAY THE DRIVEWAYS.

THAT IS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE MAKE DECISIONS IN A HAZE THAT WE SEND THINGS OVER TO BE PAID AND WE DON'T MAKE SURE WE ARE BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYERS MONEY.

THAT IS ONLY ONE EXAMPLE. HAVE OTHERS, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND TO LOOK AT OUR SPENDING, IN MY TIME AND MIGHT TEN MONTHS ON THIS BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THE FIVE OF US LOOKED AT WHERE WE COULD CUT.

THESE WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS OR LOW LIGHTS, I AM CERTAINLY NOT ANTI- LAW ENFORCEMENT OR FIRST RESPONDER. I GREATLY SUPPORT THEM I AM THANKFUL FOR YOU AND THE WORK YOU DO. I THINK YOU ALL DESERVE RAISES. DOING IT WITHIN OUR MEANS AND NOT RAISING TAXES ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR OUR NEW FUEL PROPERTY.

WE ALSO COULD HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER OPTIONS, WE DID NOT HAVE TO DO A FULL HALF MILL NOW.

I REMEMBER IN THE FIRST PRESENTATION WE HEARD FROM THE SHERIFF, THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR 15 YEARS. NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR 15 YEARS OF THE BOARD NOT ACTING, SO WE CAN DO THIS NOW AND THAT'S A LOT ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS. WE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY AND I THINK THE VOTERS OF THE DISTRICT FOUR WOULD'VE FELT DIFFERENT IF SOMETHING LIKE THE COMMISSIONER MENTIONED WOULD'VE BEEN CONSIDERED OR PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE MS TO USE SO IT WENT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHERIFFS DEPARTMENT.

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IS PRESENTED TODAY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLA? I BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE COUNTY MANAGER ( INDISCERNIBLE ) AS FAR --

>> AS FAR AS THE BUDGET GOES THIS GIVES ME HEARTBURN. I'M WALKING DOWN THE HALL AND PEOPLE ARE STOPPING THINGS IN MY POCKET THAT I AM SUPPOSED TO VOTE ON ENGINE MINUTES.

I WOULD VOTE NO IF IT WASN'T FOR THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T THINK THE POLICE AND FIREMEN DID NEED THE RAYS REALLY BAD. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE MISCOMMUNICATION MY BOAT.

I SUPPORT IT. THIS IS MY SEVENTH YEAR I HAVE NEVER VOTED TO TOUCH PROPERTY TAXES. I THINK BALANCING THE BUDGET ON THE BACKS OF THE OWNERS IS NOT THE RIGHT CONCEPT HERE. I DO FEEL THAT, WE SHOULD SPREAD THIS OUT SOME.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAY BE A UTILITY TAX ENACTED, A HIGHER ONE SO EVERYONE, EVEN THE RENTERS IN CLAY COUNTY COULD PAY FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE. IF YOU HAVE LIVED ANYWHERE ELSE AND A LOT OF YOU HAVE, CAME FROM CHICAGO, I WAS PAYING FIVE TIMES THE REAL ESTATE TAX

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THAN I DO IN CLAY COUNTY. AND I CAN TELL YOU THE LIFESTYLE IS NOT FIVE TIMES BETTER IN CHICAGO. WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB HERE. WE ARE 61ST IN THE COUNTY FOR THE TAX STRUCTURE. WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB AND PROVIDED A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE. YOUR PROPERTY HAS GONE UP IN VALUE.

NOT EVERY YEAR BUT PRETTY MUCH EVERY YEAR. IT WENT UP 6% THAT -- THIS YEAR.

THAT TELLS ME WHAT WE ARE DOING UP HERE, WE ARE DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB.

IF WE CAN RAISE THE PROPERTY TAXES TO ACCOMMODATE THESE RAISES AND STILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT SAME JOB WE WILL MAKE THE PROPERTY VALUES GO UP EVEN MORE. I KES, THAT BRINGS BACK SOMETHING I SAID AT THE TOWN MEETING. HOW MANY OF YOU FEEL LIKE GOING INTO JACKSONVILLE AND TAKING A STROLL BY THE RIVER AT NIGHT, NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND.

I DO NOT CARE WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES YOU ARE OFFERING YOUR COMMUNITY, IF THEY DO NOT FEEL SAFE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. THAT IS ONE THING WE HAVE IN CLAY COUNTY THAT I AM NOT

WILLING TO COMPROMISE ON. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> COMMISSIONER, IF YOU ARE SO MOVED TO VOTE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE AGAINST THE BUDGET. WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO

THAT. COMMISSIONER BURKE. >> I STAND THE SAME AS I DID TWO WEEKS AGO. I AM DEFINITELY GRATEFUL TO ALL OF YOU HERE AND EVERYONE ELSE NOT HERE. I STAND IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE MILLAGE RATE INCREASE.

AS FAR AS THE NORTH FLORIDA PLANNING COUNCIL, I FEEL LIKE, WE DID HAVE AMPLE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT AND MEET WITH, I THINK THEY TRY TO MEET WITH US TWICE. I ASKED LAST WEEK ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE WERE SPENDING ON SERVICES THAT HAD TO DO WITH THEM, THAT IS WHY I WAS ABLE TO GET THAT INFORMATION. I FEEL LIKE, WITH OVER BUDGET, WE COULD SEE ME MYSELF DON'T DEAL WITH BUDGETS LIKE THIS AND I HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE STAFF TO NOTE THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

IF I HAD QUESTIONS, EVERY TIME I WOULD ASK THEY WERE READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

FOR THAT REASON, I HAVE TO DEPEND ON THAT. THIS WAS KICKED DOWN TO US FOR YEARS. NOW WE HAVE TO MAKE A HARD DECISION.

I'M FINDING THIS OUT WITH ALL OF THE GROWTH. ANYWAY, THAT IS WHAT I SAY.

>> COMMISSIONER RICHARD. >> I HAVE HEARD, WE PAY TOO MUCH TAXPAYER WE ARE NUMBER 62 OUT OF 67 COUNTIES IN TAX. YOU CANNOT CONVINCE ME OF A TAX. LET ME SAY, I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF A LARGE ORGANIZATION FOR LONG TIME. IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE, YOU ARE DEALING WITH A DEAD, DYING ORGANIZATION AND THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

PEOPLE MOVE HERE GET TRAINED AND MOVE OUT. I THINK MR. LEE SAID, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO TRAIN ST. JOHN'S DEPUTIES ANYMORE. MY GOAL IS TO, IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PAPER THIS MORNING WE ARE LISTED AS LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY.

IN ANOTHER VENUE BUT MY GOAL IS TO MAKE US ON THE FRONT PAGE EVERY DAY ABOUT LEADING THIS REGION. CLAY COUNTY SHOULD NOT BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.

IT SHOULD BE A LEADER AND THAT IS MY GOAL. WE DID NOT RAISE TAXES FOR HEAVEN YEARS. SOME PEOPLE MAY PAT THEMSELVES ON THE BACK FOR THAT.

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YOU MAY HAVE MISSED A FEW INDICATORS HERE OF DECAY AND IT HAS MANIFEST TODAY WHERE SHERIFF COOK TALKS ABOUT THE MONEY SPENT LAST YEAR TO TRAIN DEPUTIES THAT GO TO ST. JOHN.

I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE BUDGET OF THE REGIONAL COUNCIL EFFORTS.

FULL SUPPORT OF THE GRANT DEPARTMENT GOING OUT AND LOOKING FOR MONEY.

I EXPECT PERFORMANCE OUT OF THIS TOO. STAND BY.

I AM IN FULL SUPPORT OF THE BUDGET RESOLUTION. >> THINK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> I SAID MOST OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY TODAY, TWO WEEKS AGO.

IT BOTHERS ME THAT WE STILL HAVE QUESTIONS OVER OUR PROCESS. OVER THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET WHICH HAS BEEN ONE OF THE SMOOTHER PROCESSES I HAVE GONE THROUGH.

COULD THERE BE IMPROVEMENTS, THERE COULD ALWAYS BE IMPROVEMENTS IN HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT SLIDE BACK BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS. IF YOU REALIZE WHAT TRANSPIRED BETWEEN JULY AND TODAY, IN TERMS OF BALANCING THE BUDGET, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN, THE CONSTITUTION GAVE $59,000 FOR THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET, WE GAVE UP AS A BOARD HOW ARE EMPLOYEES OUTSIDE A FIRE AND RESCUE, WE GAVE UP $3 MILLION, WE CUT OUR BUDGET TO MAKE IT BALANCE. THAT HAPPENS ON A FREQUENT TIME.

WE DID IT AGAIN THIS YEAR. COULD WE GO DEEPER, IT MAY BE, IT HAS BEEN ALLUDED TO, THE THIRD-PARTY ORGANIZATION, THE 2ND AND SPENDING. THOSE NUMBERS TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW. I USE THOSE NUMBERS ARE NOT WHEN I TALK TO GROUPS.

WHAT I USUALLY TELL THEM IS, DO NOT LEAVE HERE TELLING EVERYONE THAT THE COMMISSIONER SAID YOU ARE NOT PAYING ENOUGH IN TAXES. BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE GROWTH OF YOUR COMMUNITY. I THINK OF MY MOM AND DAD, 89 -YEARS-OLD HAD TO USE FIRE AND RESCUE EARLIER THIS YEAR WHEN HE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL.

WHAT WOULD'VE HAPPENED IF THEY DIDN'T GET THEIR ON TIME. IT COULD HAVE BEEN DOUBLE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY AND PERSONNEL. I THINK OF MY DAUGHTER, HER HUSBAND, THEIR NEW FAMILY EXPECTED IN FEBRUARY FOR THE FOURTH TIME IF SHE IS HOME ALONE AND HE'S AT THE BASE AS SHE NEEDS HELP AND I CAN I GET THERE, I WANT SOMEONE TO GET THERE FASTER SO WHAT WE ARE DOING LINE MY A BIG TAX PRINTING GUY, NO I'M CHEAP YOU CAN ASK MY WIFE. THIS IS THE WE HAVE SUPPORT HAVE IS OUR PRIORITY, PUBLIC SAFETY.

WE NEED TO DO PUBLIC SAFETY. I JUST WANT TO SAY, COMMISSIONER CONDOM AND I MAY NOT AGREE ON THIS ISSUE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE, A DISCUSSION AFTER THE FACT THAT SHE DOESN'T SUPPORT FIRE AND POLICE BECAUSE SHE VOTES AGAINST THE BUDGET. CHESSER REASON.

WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHERE WE STAND AND DO IT IN A CIVIL MANNER.

I HOPE, WE DON'T TALK SO I DON'T KNOW HOW EVERYONE WILL VOTE. AS WE MOVE INTO THE FUTURE, COMMISSIONER, I HOPE THEY TREAT YOU WITH THE RESPECT THAT ALL OF US DESERVES.

IT IS NOT EASY SITTING HERE. WHEN YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, AND WE HAVE A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES IN THE AUDIENCE, IT'S EASIER THERE THAN IT IS HERE. TRUST ME.

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I WILL SUPPORT THE BUDGET, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL CONTINUE TO CHIP AWAY AT THE EXPENSES THAT DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE BUDGET AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE WILL WORK ON THE PROCESS FOR NEXT TIME. COMMISSIONER BOLA IS INTERESTED IN MAKING A MOTION TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL MONEY.

>> CAN WE POSTPONE THIS ONE CYCLE I CAN LOOK AT WHAT THIS STUFF SAYS CRACKS.

>> THE MONEY IS IN THE BUDGET. WE ACTUALLY BORROWED IT, FROM SOME OTHER LINE ITEM.

>> I HEARD FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, EVERYONE ELSE WANTS TO SUPPORT IT.

AND THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE BROADBAND PUSHED ME OVER THE LINE ON IT.

I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE THING. I WILL NOT BE HERE AFTER NEXT YEAR, SO YOU GUYS CAN FIGURE OUT WHETHER YOU ARE GETTING YOUR MONEY WORTH FROM IT OR NOT.

I LOOKED AT WHAT WE WERE GETTING BEFORE AND WE MADE A DECISION, WE PAID À LA CART.

IT WAS A BETTER FINANCIAL ARRANGEMENT I STILL THINK THAT IS TRUE.

HOWEVER, IF THEY CAN ADD SOMETHING TO THE BROADBENT ISSUE, THAT WOULD BE WORTH

EXPLORING SO I AM OKAY WITH THAT. >> HOWEVER, IF YOU CONTINUE TO

DO THIS TO ME, I WILL VOTE NO EVERY SINGLE TIME. >> IT WAS BRAND-NEW INFORMATION

THAT SOMEONE ASKED FOR. >> POSTPONE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

10 MINUTES, GIVE ME A BREAK. >> DID YOU WANT ME TOO TAKE A SEPARATE VOTE FOR THAT.

>> I CAN COUNT TO THREE. >> I AM AN ENGINEER. I THINK THE DISCUSSION -- COUNTY

MANAGER, I THINK WE ARE DONE WITH THIS DISCUSSION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE BOARD, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS STILL OPEN AND THE BOARD SHALL VOTE SEPARATELY.

AS BRIEF INCLUDING SINCE THE PUBLIC FIRST HEARING WHICH HAD FACILITIES FOR THE SENIOR CENTERS AND NORTHEAST REGION REGIONAL COUNCIL MEMBERSHIP. WILL GO IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

(ROLL CALL). >> THE SECOND RESOLUTION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION SETTING THE FINAL RATE TO BE LEVIED FOR THE COUNTY AND THE DISTRICT FOR FY 2031-22 STARTING WITH COMMISSIONER

BURKE. (ROLL CALL). >> THE ADOPTED RESOLUTION FOR THE FINAL 2021 BUDGET IN THE AMOUNT OF SIX ARM 70 MILLION INCLUSIVE OF THE LAKE AS VERY

BUDGET OF $736,000. (ROLL CALL). >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL MOVE ONTO THE THE NEXT ITEM.

THANK YOU ALL. I KNOW A LOT OF YOU WILL BE LEAVING WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TODAY. WE THANK YOU ALL. WE WILL PAUSE FOR A MOMENT WHILE

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WE GATHER THE CROWDS. FOR THOSE OF YOU STAYING, WE WILL BE PICKING UP WITH NUMBER 19. I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT. WE HAVE YOUR CARDS. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO

[19. 5:00 pm or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to Consider Z 21-06, Rezoning single parcel from BA-2 to BB-2. (Comm. Condon, District 4) Planning Commission Voted 7-0 to approve. ( M. Brown)]

CONSIDER REZONING A SINGLE PARCEL. THIS IS INTERDISTRICT FOR.

MR. BROWN JOINS US TO MOVE US FORWARD. >> CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, ZONING CHIEF. THIS IS AN APPLICATION FOR REZONING.

THE APPLICANT IS THOMAS. AND AS THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED IT IS A REQUEST TO CHANGE THE ZONING FROM BA-22BB-2 CONDON DISTRICT FOUR. IT IS IN THE MIDDLEBURG PLANNING DISTRICT AND IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CLAY HILL NEIGHBORHOOD. SEPTEMBER 7 THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND IN FAVOR OF THE REGIONAL USES A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR PARCEL IS LOCATED IN THE NORTHWEST IT IS PRESENTLY UNDEVELOPED BUT PARCEL HAS A FUTURE LAND USE.

THE EXISTING ZONING DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES.

THIS IS INCLUDES APPLIANCE SALES AUTOMOTIVE PARTS, CONVENIENCE STORES MEDICAL SUPPLIES AND THE LIKE. THIS HAS A FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THERE IS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT USES IN THE AREA ADJACENT TO THIS PARCEL. SOME OF THE USES ARE CONFORMING SOME ARE NONCONFORMING. THE ZONING DISTRICT UNDER THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES ALLOW USES. IT THE ONLY DISTRICT WE HAVE THAT ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL USES.

THE NEXT LINE WILL SHOW YOU AND ARIEL OF THE PARCEL AND I HAVE INCLUDED A FUTURE LAND USE MAP.

EVERYTHING IN RED IS A COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE. COMMERCIAL.

IT WAS DONATED -- DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL BEFORE THE FIRST COMP PLAN.

IT HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED THAT WAY. LOOKING AT THE RECOMMENDATION STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED BB ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED LAND USE OF COMMERCIAL IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE LAND USE. AS I INDICATED EARLIER, THIS IS IN THE CLAY DISTRICT. ANY DEVELOPMENT WILL HAVE TO MEET THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

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STAFF AS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT THROUGH THE COMP PLAN AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING LAND USE. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AND AGAIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-02 RECOMMEND PROPOSAL OF THE PROPOSED REZONING.

DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND STAFF AT THIS POINT? >> I WILL GO TO THE FIRST ONE

BUT NOTHING RIGHT NOW. >> THE PRINCIPAL CHANGE, YOU CANNOT LIVE ON THIS STUFF AFTER

IT HAS CHANGED. >> FOR THIS PARCEL IN PARTICULAR, YES, IT DOES ALLOW RESIDENTIAL AS A USE. THE BB2 WILL NOT ALLOW RESIDENTIAL USE WITH THIS CHANGE. WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.

WHAT THE AGENT WHO WILL BE THE FUTURE PROPERTY OWNER, IS THAT THE USES ALLOWED UNDER THE BB TO, WHAT THEY HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WANT TO DO, THAT MEANS, THAT IS NOT ALLOWED UNDER

THE ZONING THAT EXISTS TODAY BUT WOULD BE ALLOWED UNDER THE BBB. >> IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE

RESIDENTIAL ASPECTS. >> COMMISSIONER? >> THE OVERHEAD THAT YOU HAVE IT APPEARS AS IF THERE IS STRUCTURE FROM THE NORTHERN HOME THAT ARE IN THE REZONING AREA.

THE PARCEL IN THE AREA, NO. ONE OF THE THINGS ON THE AERIALS, IF THERE IS AN ANGLE, THEY DON'T MATCH UP PROPERLY. THAT IS WHY THERE IS A LITTLE DISCREPANCY.

ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS ON THE ADJACENT PARCEL. AND IT'S NOT THE OWNER OF THIS

PARCEL. >> SEPARATE. >> WHEN YOU SALE HOME, THE RESIDENTIAL IS NONCONFORMING, IF THE USE OF RESIDENTIAL, IS NOT CODE, IF IT WAS EXISTING PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE CODE AND NOT CONFORMING AND ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE CODE, FOR MY OWN EDIFICATION, CAN THEY REMODEL AND EXPAND, IF IT WAS NONCONFORMING USE, AND IT BURNED OUT THEY COULD NOT REBUILD IT AS A RESIDENTIAL USE. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DISAPPEAR.

>> I RECEIVED AN E-MAIL THAT SAYS THERE WILL BE TRAFFIC THERE WILL BE POLLUTION THERE WOULD BE, AND INTERNET -BASED AUTO PARTS STORE. THAT WAS INDICATED IN THE APPLICATION. QUIT AGAIN, ONCE IT IS REZONED, ANYTHING AUTHORIZED COULD HAPPEN OUT THERE. WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY TRAFFIC STUDIES.

>> NOT IN THIS CASE, WE DIDN'T DO ONE. COUNTY ROAD 218, IN THIS AREA IS OPERATING ACCEPTABLY TODAY. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO LOOK AT WHEN WE DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL AND REVIEW, WE DO LOOK AT TRANSPORTATION. WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD BUT IT MAY CHANGE. YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?

>> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WE DO HAVE SOME CARDS AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE

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BOARD TO DISCUSS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. MR. MADDOX ARE YOU STILL WITH

US? >> THOSE OF YOU JUST JOINING AT HOME WE ARE ON ITEM NUMBER NINE.

>> OF APPARENTLY THIS STUDY DOES NOT INCLUDE ANYONE THAT LIVES IN THE AREA.

THIS PARCEL IS ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL. I DID NOT KNOW THAT UNTIL RECENTLY I ASSUMED LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE, IT WAS AGRICULTURAL.

IT WAS WHEN THE PROPERTY AND LIVED ON WAS BALD. PLEASE LEAVE IT.

THIS PROPOSED 100 BY 100 BY 30-FOOT HIGH WAREHOUSE IS AN INTERNET WAREHOUSE.

IT WOULD BE BETTER SUITED SOMEWHERE ELSE BESIDES THE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I JUST DON'T THINK THIS SIZE OF A WAREHOUSE WOULD ENHANCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

IT SHOULD BE MORE SUITED FOR ITS SIZE. THE CURRENT ZONING IS ONLY ALLOWED 2500 SQUARE-FOOT. IF IT IS REZONED, THEY CAN BUILD ANYTHING THEY WANT TO.

I LIVE ON THE PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND MY FENCE HIT THAT FENCE. I AM NOT SAYING THIS PERSON SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BUILD THIS WAREHOUSE, JUST MORE SUITABLE FOR ITS SIZE.

I BELIEVE IT IS -- I BELIEVE IF IT IS BUILT ON THIS PARCEL WILL STICK OUT.

REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME YOU DROVE DOWN BLANDING BOULEVARD WHEN THEY CUT THAT AREA DOWN.

HELP THAT JUMPED OUT AT YOU? THAT IS WHAT THIS WILL BE THIS WILL BE THE SAME THING EXCEPT YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT A 100 BY 100 BY 30 SQUARE-FOOT WAREHOUSE METAL WALLS NOW ON.

I BELIEVE US, BELIEVE A SMALLER BUILDING WOULD BE BETTER. IF THIS WAREHOUSE IS BUILT, WITH HIS PAVED LOT, WHERE WILL THE WATER GO? IN MY YARD.

WITH ALL OF THE RAIN WE HAVE HAD, I HAVE HAD INCHES OF WATER IN MY YARD TODAY SOMETIME.

IF THIS HAPPENS AND THIS IS PAVED, I WILL HAVE TO PARK ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD.

I WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IN THE YARD. I UNDERSTAND IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND BUILDS A MUCH SMALLER BUSINESS THEY WILL STILL CUT DOWN SOME OF THE PROPERTY AND THE TREES THAT SOAK UP WATER. BUT IT WON'T BE A TO A HALF PAGE -- TWO AND HALF ACRE PAVED LOT.

THIS IS A 100 BY 100 BY 30 SQUARE-FOOT WAREHOUSE WITH TWO PLUS ACRES OF PAVEMENT.

IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING YOU WILL FIXED UP NICE. THE ONLY TIME YOU WILL SEE THE GOOD PART IS WHEN YOU DRIVE BY. AS YOU ARE COMING UP ON BOTH SIDES YOU WILL SEE A METAL WALL.

IT WILL BE A MOSTLY PAVED PARCEL IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A COMBINATION.

>> MR. MADDOX I WILL GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF SECONDS. >> IF THIS IS REZONED, TO THE BB2 WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF SOMEONE ACROSS THE ROADS WANT THAT TO CHANGE AND THEY BUILD AN EVEN BIGGER WAREHOUSE. WE WILL NO LONGER HAVE A RESIDENCE.

I AM 66-YEARS-OLD. IF THIS IS REZONED I WILL BE LOOKING AT A BIG METAL BUILDING FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO WALK OUT AND SEE THIS BUILDING COMING OUT

OF YOUR BEDROOM FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. >>

>> HELLO ELEVATE THE 78 ( INDISCERNIBLE ) HAVE LIVED HERE SINCE 1975.

MY WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A COUNTRY LIFE ANYMORE WITH THIS AREA GROWING SO FAST.

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I DON'T SUPPORT CHANGING IT TO THE APPLICATION. IT IS A LOT MORE INTRUSIVE.

THIS GOES ALL THE WAY THIS THEY CAN PUT A SWEATSHOP OR WHATEVER. THERE ARE BUSINESS OUT THERE, I UNDERSTAND THE GROWTH THAT IS COMING. WE NEED TO SLOW DOWN AND THERE'S NO NEED TO MAKE IT DIFFERENT. THERE ARE BUILDINGS AFTER BUILDINGS THAT ARE EMPTY.

THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE BUILDING DOWN THE ROAD. IF YOU LOOK, WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW THE BUILDINGS TO COME IN THEY ARE EMPTY, OR THINGS YOU DON'T WANT IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

I DO AGREE WITH HIM ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. I THINK IT IS INTRUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THERE ARE MORE MOM-AND-POP BUILDINGS OF LIKE TO SEE. I'M NOT AGAINST ANY GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD RATHER SEE SOMEONE COME IN, LIVE THERE AND GET A BETTER LIFE AND COME FROM JACKSONVILLE OR WHEREVER ELSE THEY NEED TO COME FROM AND LIVE ON A BIGGER PIECE OF PROPERTY.

I AM MORE FOR THAT AND I LIKE TO SEE WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T COME OUT. I GREW UP ON A FARM AND I LIKE TO SEE WHEN PEOPLE CAN COME OUT AND HAVE THEIR GARDEN AND WHATEVER THEY NEED.

THIS WILL CAUSE MORE FLOODING. THIS WILL CAUSE MORE TRAFFIC YOU NAME IT IT WILL BE IN THERE.

THAT IS WHEN THE ROADS WENT TO GET BIGGER. THAT IS FINE AND DANDY KEEPS PEOPLE IN BUSINESS. I'M NOT AGAINST BUSINESS I'M AGAINST MORE INTRUSIVE BUSINESSES THAT COME IN AND BUILD THE BIG BUILDINGS THAT END UP BEING VACANT.

THE INCENTIVE SHOULD BE GIVEN FOR SOMEONE TO GO TO A BUILDING THAT'S ALREADY THERE AND BUILT ENFIELD. LET'S GIVE THEM INCENTIVE TO OCCUPY THE BUILDING.

OR HAVE SOMETHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE.

I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ME. THERE'S A LOT OF MOM-AND-POP BUSINESSES OUT THERE. PAID TO SELLING CARS FROM YEARS AGO, AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CODED AS THOSE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN.

>> THANK YOU. BELINDA JOHNSON AND THEN DALE CARTER.

>> MY NAME IS BELINDA JOHNSON I'M PRESIDENT OF THE CLAY HILL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION.

WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK AND WE VOTED 7-0 TO DENY THE REZONING.

OUR SAFETY CONCERNS ARE THIS. FOR EXAMPLE. I PICKED UP MY GRANDDAUGHTER EVERY DAY OFF OF 218. I PARK ACROSS THE STREET BECAUSE IT IS TOO DANGEROUS FOR HER TO CROSS 218. ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS I HAVE SAW LARGE TRUCKS GO BY THE BUS STOP WHEN THE STOP SIGN WAS OUT. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT BUT THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE. THERE IS A 90 DEGREES CURVE THAT IS ON MY STREET, WHERE THE BUS LET'S MIKE CHILD OUT ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE.

IT IS TOO DANGEROUS FOR HER TO CROSS 218. THAT IS THE SAME SCENARIO YOU

WILL HAVE WITH THE BUSES IN THIS AREA IF YOU REZONED THIS. >> I'M USED TO BEING ON THAT SIDE OF THE PODIUM. IT IS VERY DANGEROUS AND I CHALLENGE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO TAKE A RIGHT ONTO 18 WEST. CHALLENGE NOT JUST DRIVE EVERY DAY. IT IS TERRIBLE. IT IS DANGEROUS.

AND YOU WILL PUT A 10,000 SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING, 35-FOOT HI, I WAS ON THE COMMITTEE FROM

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MY UNDERSTANDING WILL WE GOT INTO THIS, ( INDISCERNIBLE ) HE THOUGHT SO HARD TO NOT LOOK LIKE THE BOULEVARD. DON'T LET BLANDING BOULEVARD COME TO BACK TO 18.

WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY TRUCKS ON THE HIGHWAY NOW GOING THROUGH THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

AT 11:00 P.M. PS2 HERE TRUCKS GOING IN-AND-OUT 30 FEET FROM HIS BEDROOM WHEN HE GOES TO SLEEP. I WANT TO GET A REQUEST THAT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT I CAN A PACKET SO I AM AWARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON THAT WAY WE CAN BE MORE

PREPARED, WHICH I COULD HAVE BEEN MORE PREPARED FOR THIS. >> THIS IS WHY WE INVENTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. TO PLAN BETTER FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WE DO NOT WANT THIS REZONED. PLEASE RESTORE AND KEEP OUR INTEGRITY AND CLAY HILL.

THANK YOU. >> DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO USE PEAK.

>> ARISE SUPPORTING THIS. THIS IS A SAFETY IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO THIS PROPERTY, JACOB CAN'T AFFORD TO PAVE ROADS BUT SOMEBODY'S BANANA TURNING LANE. THIS IS A BIG WAREHOUSE.

THIS IS JUST AN INNER JUNKYARD. THEY TEAR CARS APART AND PUT IT ON THE INTERNET AND SELL THEM.

THIS WHAT IS PLANNING ON DOING. 35-FOOT TALL IS PRETTY TALL FOR THIS.

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES. IF YOU GO DOWN TO 18, LOG TRUCKS, BIG TRUCKS THEN YOU ADD THIS TO IT, THIS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CURVE YOU CAN BARELY GET OUT OF THE ROAD RIGHT NOW AS IT IS. YOU STAY THERE 10 MINUTES TRYING TO GET OUT SAFELY. SOMEONE NEEDS TO GO BACK AND DO MORE RESEARCH ON THIS AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE DOING. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WILL BE A BIG BOTTLENECK.

>> WANTS TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF THEN WE NEED YOU TO FILL OUT THE CARD.

MY NAME IS KEITH AIKEN SPIRIT I LEVITATE BACK TO A SMALL COUNTRY SETTING.

AS FAR AS THE ENTRYWAY AND PEOPLE COME, THEY ENJOYED THE ENTRYWAY, THIS WAREHOUSE YOU'RE CONSIDERING MEMBERS OF SAID BEFORE NOT ONLY ARE THE BUS DRIVERS HAVING TROUBLE ENTERING

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AND EXITING THE AREAS. FIRE AND RESCUE HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS WHEN THEY ATTEND TO ANY ACTION. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO RIDE THEIR ATVS AND HORSES DOWN THE ROAD.

I JUST DON'T THINK THAT IS THE PROPER PLACE TO PUT THE WAREHOUSE THIS ON THE CORNER YOU CHANGING THE ZONE FOR A WAREHOUSE THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD LOOKS GOOD THE WAY IT IS. I HAVE NOT BEEN THERE LONG. I'M ONLY SPEAKING FROM WHAT I SEE, TOO MUCH DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA IS JUST NOT AN APPROPRIATE FIT.

HE CAN CONSIDER BUYING THE LOT ON THE CORNER GO FURTHER INTO MIDDLEBURG IF HE'S JUST DOING AUTOMOTIVE WAREHOUSE. THERE ARE OTHER PLACES TO DO THAT.

THAT IS NOT THE PLACE. WHEN I GO TO THE NORTH END OF JENNINGS IS DISCUSSING SEE HOW MANY HOUSES ARE BEING BUILT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FORCE AND HOW MUCH TRAFFIC PEOPLE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. THAT SAME TRAFFIC WILL COME TO TO 18.

IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET BUT I HAVE SEEN MORE. THAT MEANS PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR LIVES UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. ONE BUILDING MAY MAKE THAT MUCH MORE DIFFERENCE IF YOU APPROVE THAT, YOU WILL APPROVE MOTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA NOW YOU HAVE KIDS, HORSES, ANIMALS AND PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT MEANT TO COEXIST WITH EACH OTHER.

>> NO ONE ELSE WERE PUBLIC HEARING WE WILL BRING YOU BACK TO THE BOARD AND CLOSE THE

PUBLIC HEARING. >> HAVE A QUESTION. CAN WE BUILD 100 BY 35-FOOT

BUILDING ON THERE NOW. >> ANYTHING THAT GOES OUT THERE HAS TO ME THE REQUIREMENTS.

WE HAVE SETBACKS THE SHORT ANSWER I THINK IT IS POSSIBLE. >> IS NOT AN ISSUE OF THE BUILDING IT'S AN ISSUE OF WHAT THEY WILL DO WITH IT. TODAY, --

>> YOU COULD NOT FEEL THAT. I'M SORRY I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION.

>> I THINK THE MAXIMUM IS 2500 SQUARE FEET. >> YOU CAN DO THAT SIZE

BUILDING, I APOLOGIZE. >> THERE WAS REFERENCE TO AUTOMOBILE DISASSEMBLY.

IS THAT ALLOWABLE UNDER BB2. >> IT ALLOWS AUTOMOBILES PARTS SALES.

YOU CAN'T STORE NON- USABLE CARS ON THAT SITE. >> NEW PARTS OR USED PARTS?

>> THE CODE DOES NOT SPECIFY. THEY DO HAVE PARTS OF CARS. >> THERE WERE JUNK CARS TO BE

DISASSEMBLED. >> COMMISSIONER DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

>> WHAT ELSE CAN GO THERE? >> PRESENTLY, THIS IS PRIMARILY PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, REAL

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ESTATE AGENTS, LAWYERS OFFICES, THAT IS WHAT IS ALLOWED. >> IF IT IS RESIDENTIAL HOW MANY

HOMES? >> THE POINT OF INTEREST, ALMOST EVERY RESIDENT ON LONGHORN ROAD DID NOT TALK TO THE APPLICANT, IN THE PAST WHEN ANYONE HAS ASKED FOR SOMETHING TO BE APPROVED, THEY HAVE OFTEN CALLED ME. I ALSO, I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE OVERLY PLAN. WOULD YOU LIKE TO PUT THE MAP BACK UP. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU ROAD OUT THERE BUT IT IS HONESTY CURVE AND IT REALLY TRULY IS, ALREADY COMMERCIAL USE OF THEIR. LONGHORN IS THE DIVIDER.

YOU CAN SEE THE CURVE THERE. THAT PARCEL TO THE FAR LEFT OF THIS PARCEL, THAT IS ACTUALLY A COUNTY EMPLOYEE'S FAMILY. THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS THERE.

IT'S A HOME. IT'S REALLY INCOMPATIBLE. THERE'S NO ONE IN THE AREA THAT SUPPORTS THIS. NO ONE KNOWS WHY THE OWNER, WAS TO GET MORE MONEY.

HERE'S THE INTERESTING THING. HOPEFULLY THEY ARE NOT WATCHING. THREE PARCELS IS, THEY COULD DO THIS WITHOUT COMING TO US FOR A ZONING CHANGE. THERE'S AN OLD JIFFY STORE FOR SALE. WE DON'T WANT THAT THERE EITHER. THERE ARE PLACES TO PUT THEM.

MIDDLEBURG IS OUT OF CONTROL AND I REMEMBER I AGREE WITH THE RESIDENCE.

I DROVE DOWN LANDING THE OTHER DAY. I DROVE DOWN THERE'S LOTS OF UGLY BUSINESSES THAT DON'T MEET THE CHARACTER OF WHAT WE WOULD WANT AND COMMISSIONER WE DON'T WANT THAT TO COME OUT TO MIDDLEBURG. THIS COULD BE AN OFFICE WHICH COULD BE VERY WELCOME FOR THE COMMUNITY THE RESIDENTS ARE NOT ANTI- DEVELOPMENT PLANNING COMMISSION THINKING WHEN THEY APPROVED IT. MY MOTION WILL BE.

>> WE DO HAVE A SECOND. I AGREE WITH YOU. AS I SAID, THE APPLICANT HAS TO CONSIDER WHETHER HE WAS SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THIS WE CAN ONLY OPERATE AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT INTERVIEW HAVE THE INTERNET YOU CAN HAVE A LOCATION CLOSER TO WHERE YOU CAN SHIP FROM IN TERMS OF UPS OR FEDEX. ANOTHER PART THAT BOTHERS ME REALIZING THAT, THE BUSINESSES THAT START UP FAIL, AND WE HAVE A HUNDRED BY HUNDRED WAREHOUSE AND WILL WE PUT IN THERE.

TALKING TO SOMEONE WHO OWNED A SMALL BUSINESS FOR NINE YEARS. SUPERVISE WHAT BUSINESS OWNERS.

IS NOT EASY BUT IT JUST DOES NOT SEEM TO FIT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I WILL ALSO SUPPORT THE MOTION

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AS BEING PUT IN. ANYONE ELSE? I HEAR NONE LET'S CALL THE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE, IT CARRIES THE PETITION IS DENIED.

[20. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Request to postpone the following item to October 26, 2021 - Public Hearing to consider transmittal of CPA 2021-11 to change the future land use designation of multiple parcels from Lake Asbury Master Planned Community, Rural Community and Commercial to Lake Asbury Village Center and from Lake Asbury Village Center to Lake Asbury Master Planned Community and a text amendment to the Lake Asbury Future Land Use Element, Policy 1.4.10]

>> LET'S MOVE TO NUMBER 20. WE WILL HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS NUMBER 20 BUT THIS ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED BECAUSE IT WAS ADVERTISED UNTIL OCTOBER 26. THIS IS ITEM NUMBER 20.

>> I'M JUST ASKING YOU CONTINUE THE ITEM BECAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONTINUED IT.

SO IF WE COULD PRESERVE IT WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> SO, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE WILL HEAR FROM ANYONE IF THEY ARE HERE TO TALK ABOUT.

THIS WILL GO BACK TO US FOR OCTOBER 26. ANYONE INTERESTED ON TALKING ABOUT THIS? I HAD NOT NICE ENOUGH. WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING CONTINUED. ACTUALLY WE WILL NOT CLOSE WE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL OCTOBER 26.

WE MOVED TO NUMBER 21. >> I THINK WE NEED TO DO A MOTION TO CONTINUE IT.

>> WE DO NEED A MOTION? >> YES. >> SO, SO MOVE.

>> MEMO MOTION AND A SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPALS? IT CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR SETTING ME STRAIGHT.

[21. 5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application PUD-21-02; Rezone from PUD to PUD (Comm. Burke; Dist. 5) Planning Commission Voted 7-0 to Approve. (M.Brown)]

>> NOW ON TO NUMBER 21. NOW FOR THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING TO RESULT FROM PUD TO PUD.

>> THIS IS APPLICATION BY WIGGINS INVESTMENT OF NORTH FLORIDA.

THE REQUEST IS TO MODIFY WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE LODGE LOCATED IN THE PUD.

FROM A SHORT-TERM STAY HOTEL TO A MULTI FAMILY STRUCTURE. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AT 3145 RAVINE ROAD. IT IS IN THE PLANNING DISTRICT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION, ON SEPTEMBER 3 VOTED 7-02 RECOMMEND APPROVAL. JUST A LITTLE BRIEF BACKGROUND ON THINGS. I HAVE LEARNED IN MY SHORT TIME THE RAVINE IS A HOT TOPIC.

I WILL GIVE YOU SOME BACKGROUND ON IT. THIS IS A 1 ACRE PARCEL LOCATED IN THE EXISTING PUD. AS I INDICATED THE PARCEL CONTAINS WHAT IS KNOWN AS LODGE BUILDING WHICH IS A 12 UNIT BUILDING THAT WAS UTILIZED IN THE PAST AS A HOTEL.

THE RECONVENES PD WAS APPROVED IN 1978. THE COUNTY ADOPTED AN AMENDMENT TO IT IN 1987 TO ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF 477 UNITS. THERE WAS AND ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING BACK IN 1999 FOR VESTING OF THOSE UNITS. IN 2013, THERE WAS A COMP PLAN AMENDMENT THAT COVERED THE RAVINES PUD LAND AREA AND OTHER AREAS AROUND IT.

BUT IT CHANGED THE RURAL COMMUNITIES. THE KEY.WITH THE ADOPTION OF THAT AMENDMENT WAS, IT ALSO PLACED A CAP OF 499 UNITS MAXIMUM FOR THE RAVINES PUD.

THAT CAP REMAINS THERE TODAY. ALSO DURING THE 2013 TIME PERIOD, THERE WAS A DESIRE TO CONVERT THE LODGE AT THAT TIME, TO A MULTI FAMILY UNIT. THE COUNTING -- COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT DETERMINED THAT AT THAT TIME THEY COULD NOT REDEVELOP WITHOUT REDUCING THE

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NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS FROM ELSEWHERE. AND TRANSFERRING OF THAT SITE TO MAINTAIN THE CAP. THAT LAYS OUT HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE AT.

THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS BOTH ZONING. AND THE AERIAL SHOWS THE LOCATION ALL WITHIN THE RAVINES PUD AREA. FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL MODIFIED THE USE OF THE BUILDING KNOWN AS THE LODGE FROM A 12 UNIT HOTEL TO A MULTI FAMILY STRUCTURE. THE AMENDMENT WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY ADDITIONAL UNITS BEING ADDED TO THE PUD. STAFF HAVE REVIEWED COUNTY RECORDS WHICH INCLUDE PROPERTY APPRAISER INFORMATION, AND COUNTING EVERY PARCEL, WHETHER IT IS DEVELOPED OR NOT. THERE ARE 492 RESIDENTIAL PARCELS TODAY.

THERE'S LESS THAN THE 499 THAT WAS IN THE CAP. SIX UNITS WILL BE TRANSFERRED FROM TWO PARCELS THAT HAVE BEEN PARTIALLY DEVELOPED BUT THEY DID NOT USE THE FULL EXTENT OF WHAT THEY WERE ALLOCATED. FOUR UNITS WILL BE RESULTING FROM THE CONSOLIDATION OF THE LOTS INTO A SINGLE PARCEL, THAT WAS DEVELOPED WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.

THOSE LOTS, THE FOR THAT WERE NOT USED ARE UNDER AN EASEMENT TO THE FAVOR OF DQ P.

THE OWNER OF THE PARCEL, AFTER THEY ENTERED THE EASEMENT TRANSFERRED THE UNITS BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPER. THEY THEN SOLD ALL OF THEIR HOLDINGS IN THE PUD I THINK IN 2019. BAY TRANSFERRED AND SOLD THE REMAINING PROPERTY AND TRANSFERRED THOSE UNITS TO WIGGINS INVESTMENT. ONE MORE UNIT WILL BE TRANSFERRED FROM TWO PARCELS INTO THE ADJACENT PARCELS. WE GOT INFORMATION YESTERDAY, BOTH PARCELS HAVE BEEN COMBINED INTO ONE PARCEL THAT LEAVES ONE AVAILABLE UNIT TO BE TRANSFERRED

TO THE SITE FOR THE BUNCH. >> ELSEWHERE TO THE PROPOSED LOT AND ONE OF THE OPTIONS THEY GAVE WAS NEVER FOLLOWING THROUGH. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINE THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE PUD.

IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. APPROVAL OF THE REZONING SUBJECT TO THE VERIFICATION THAT THE UNITS ARE THERE TRANSPARENT. STAFF HAS CONFIRMED THERE ARE AVAILABLE UNITS AVAILABLE. THEY RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, PUD.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? >> HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE

INVOLVED? >> I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY SQUARE FEET AND AGENT IS HERE AND THEY

MAY HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >> BULK TRANSFER OF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS, IS THIS

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TRACEABLE TEN YEARS FROM NOW? >> YES. WE CAN TRACK THEM AND PUT THEM ON OUR SYSTEM, I KNOW WE JUST GOT THE INFORMATION, BUT THE TWO PARCELS THAT WERE COMBINED WITH THE INFORMATION I GOT YESTERDAY, WE WILL ATTACK THOSE IN OUR SYSTEM SO WE WILL KNOW, THE OTHER WAY IT CAN BE TRACKED, THAT 499 NUMBER IS SET IN STONE. WHEN SOMEONE COMES IN THEY WOULD

NOT BE ABLE TO GET A PERMIT WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD. >> WHERE ONLY HAD 492.

>> THEY HAVE THAT TODAY BUT THEY ARE ALLOWED FOR 99. AND THE COMP PLAN CHANGE, THE

MAXIMUM DEVELOPMENT IN THE PUD FOR 99 UNITS. >> 492 TODAY AND WE ARE

DEVELOPING 11 MORE. >> SUMMER BEING TRANSFERRED FROM PARCELS.

>> WE TAKEN AWAY AND ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL. WHAT HAPPENS, IF AN OWNER, THESE

WILL BE APARTMENTS? >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. >> WHAT IF THEY KNOCK ON THE WALL AND MAKE ONE OUT OF TWO OF THEM? IS THAT GOING TO BE TRACKED,.

>> EACH ONE OF THOSE, ANY ONE APARTMENT, IS A RESIDENTIAL UNIT I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING

THE QUESTION. >> WE WILL ASK, IF THEY ARE APARTMENTS THE LANDLORD WOULD HAVE TO GET PERMISSION TO CREATE ONE UNIT OUT OF TWO OF THEM. THEY CAN'T DO THAT ON THEIR OWN.

THE APPLICAN MAY BE ABLE BUT AT THIS POINT WE ARE CAPPING IT AT A CERTAIN NUMBER.

I THINK, ONCE WE GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, WILL THERE BE ANY OTHER BUILDINGS ALLOWED?

>> THERE WOULD WILL PROBABLY BE ONE EXTRA UNIT. THAT COULD HAPPEN BEFORE WE HIT THE 499. I THINK WITH THIS CHANGE BUT MOST ARE GOING TO BE TRANSFERRED FROM OTHER USES. BUT OTHER PARCELS. THEY COMBINED TO INTO ONE.

THAT DOES NOT COUNT AS TO ANYMORE. THAT COULD NOT BE SPLIT.

IF I'M FOLLOWING THE LOGIC. >> ANY OTHER RUSSIANS WE WILL GET TO THE APPLICANT.

>> LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING THE APPLICANT DOWN. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

>> COMMISSIONER DID YOU WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. >> THE SAME QUESTION, WHAT IS THE SIZE OF THE UNITS. THEY WILL RANGE FROM 400-800 SQUARE FEET.

WERE REDUCING THE BUILDING THAT CAME UP AT THE MINING COMMISSION.

BUT, WE MADE SURE, WE WENT THROUGH AND HELP WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THESE ARE TRANSFERRED. THERE WAS A GOOD CHANCE THEY DID NOT WANT SOMEONE TO SAY I THOUGHT I HAD TO LOTS AND NOW I HAVE ONE. THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE WORK THROUGH. WE DO HAVE SIGNATURES FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE DOING. SIX WORRY HOLDING COMPANY. BASICALLY THEY HAD THAT UNIT AND IF HE DOES SOMETHING IN THE FUTURE IT WOULD BE MORE LIKE A GOLF COURSE.

AS THE CONSERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT WITH THE LAND THAT WAS OWNED THEY HAD FIVE LOTS BUT THEN THEY HAD AN ISSUE RELATED TO THE WETLANDS. THEY MADE THEM COMBINE IT INTO

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ONE LOT AND HE TRANSFERRED THE OTHER ONES AND THEN THEY TRANSFERRED IT TO MR. WIGGINS.

THOSE EASEMENTS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY AND THEY CANNOT BE A DWELLING.

THE LAST ONE WAS HE HAD GOTTEN TO LOTS AND THEY COMBINED IT INTO ONE WHICH IS THE LAST UNIT.

WE WERE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE 499. THAT IS WHY WE DID THIS.

THAT IS WHY THEY SEND ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL. OUR GOAL IS TO RENOVATE AN UPDATE. WE WANT TO BE AN IMPROVEMENT IN THE AREA.

>> I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY, 400 SQUARE FEET. >> THE SMALLEST ONE, YES.

>> HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN LIVE IN 400 SQUARE FEET. DO WE HAVE HEALTH STANDARDS REX.

>> NOT FOR APARTMENTS. >> IF IT IS A STANDALONE UNIT. >> SEND A LOAN IS 200 FEET.

>> MY IN LAWS TO SUIT THEIR PRAYER I HAVE BEEN INSIDE OF A FEW OF THEM THEY ARE PRETTY

COZY. >> THEY ARE JUST LIKE THE BUILDINGS NEXT TO EACH OTHER

THAT ARE EXISTING. >> AS DATED THERE WERE 95 OF THE UNITS LITERALLY TO THE LEFT OF THIS BUILDING. I'M NOT CREATING SOMETHING NEW. I'M JUST SAYING HOW THIS HAS

BEEN IN EXISTENCE. >> IF YOU WOULD JUST GRAB THE MICROPHONE.

THE OTHER UNITS NEXT DOOR, ARE THOSE CONDOS OR APARTMENTS? >> TWO THIRDS ARE LEASED OUT.

ARE THEY THAT SMALL? >> THERE ARE SOME LARGER BUT THE MAJORITY ARE FAIR.

>> EFFICIENCY. >> HOW LONG HAS THIS BUILDING BEEN IN DISREPAIR? 2006. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR

HIS AGENT? >> WHAT WOULD BE THE RENT ON THIS? WE HAVE SEVERAL RENTAL PROPERTIES AROUND THE COUNTY. THE CAPACITY, IT WENT RIGHT AWAY. WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO LOOK FOR, WE HAD QUITE A FEW CALLS FROM THE SENIORS, LIMITED INCOME. MEAN EFFICIENCY WE CAN LIMIT THIS BUT I CANNOT GIVE YOU AN

EXACT NUMBER UNTIL WE FINISH. >> DO YOU MAINTAIN THEM AFTER THAT?

>> THE RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE BACK THERE.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THIS CAME UP BEFORE. AND THEY WERE OUT HERE WITH PITCHFORKS. THE RESIDENTS HAD ISSUES. I THINK THEY HAVE DONE THEIR

HOMEWORK AND IT'S GOOD. >> STANDBY IN CASE SOMETHING COMES UP.

>> WILL BE HERE. >> ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?

>> NUMBER 21? I SEE NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK

TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION. >> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SECOND PERIOD WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES 5-0.

[22. 5:00 pm or as soon thereafter as can be heard. Final Public Hearing to Consider Application LDC 21-04 to Amend Sec. 3-9 of the Land Development Code to Add Planned Unit Development as a Permissible Zoning District in the Agriculture Land Use Category. Planning Commission voted 6-0 to Approve. (M.Brown)]

CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. WE MOVED TO NUMBER 22.

THE NEXT THREE ITEMS ALL PERTAIN TO THE SAME PROJECT. WE WILL START WITH NUMBER 22 TO CONSIDER THE APPLICATION. SECTION THREE -- NINE TO ADD AS SMOKE-FILLED ZONING DISTRICT AND THE LAND USE CATEGORY. I TRIED TO GET OUT OF THAT EARLIER BUT THERE WAS NO PLACE

TO BREAK. >> THIS IS THE ADOPTION HEARING. YOU HAVE HEARD THIS ONE BEFORE.

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IT IS THE SECOND HEARING. AS THEY INDICATED IT IS A REQUESTED AMENDMENT TO SECTION THREE -- NINE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW, OR INCLUDE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS A PERMISSIBLE ZONING DISTRICT AND THE LAND USE CATEGORY.

PRESENTLY, UD IS NOT ALLOWED IN AGRICULTURE, RECREATION IMPERSONATION OR CONSERVATION LAND USE CATEGORY. THIS SHOWS YOU THE PROPOSED TAX. IT IS JUST ADDING THE DISTRICT TO THE LAND USE CATEGORY. IT HAS BEEN A CONCERN BY THE COMMISSIONER.

DOES THIS OPEN UP AGRICULTURE FOR DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT PROVIDES ACCOUNTING MORE PROTECTION BECAUSE ANY PUD HAS TO COME TO YOU OR THE COMMISSION DIRECTLY FOR APPROVAL. FROM THE STAFF STANDPOINT IT PROVIDES MORE PROTECTION.

PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED SIX-04 APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON STAFF AT THIS POINT ON THIS CHANGE.

>> IF WE GO INTO A FINAL PUBLIC HEARING, ANY QUESTIONS? LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE. ITEM NUMBER 22? I SEE NONE, WE WILL FOLLOW -- CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

ANY DISCUSSION OR MOTION? >> I APPRECIATE THE AGRICULTURAL LAND GIVEN OUR CONVERSATION EARLIER. WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO PROTECT THE GREEN SPACE.

I APPLAUD GETTING THAT PROTECTION. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

>> I MOVE WILL. >> I SECOND THE MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPALS, IT CARRIES 5-0. WE WILL MOVED TO NUMBER 23, THIS

[23. 5:00 pm or as soon thereafter as can be heard. Final Public Hearing to Consider Application LDC 21-07 Amendment to Sec. 3-33 to Add Campground as Allowable Conditional Use in PUD zoning District. Planning Commission Voted 7-0 to Approve. (M.Brown)]

ONE IS TO CONSIDER APPLICATION LDC 21 -- ZERO SEVEN. THIS IS ALSO THE SECOND READING.

THE REQUEST IS TO AMEND SECTION THREE -- THREE TO ADD CAMPGROUND RECREATIONAL PARK AS I CONDITIONALLY USE JUST A REMINDER, ANY CHANGE TO THE CONDITIONS THAT SOMEONE DESIRE TO DO TO THE PARK, THAT WAS NOT LISTED THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED IN THE PUD IF YOU ALLOW THIS CHANGE AS A CONDITIONAL USE. YOU HAVE PROTECTION AT LEAST FROM ASAP PROTECTS -- PERSPECTIVE. YOU HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT. IF THERE IS ANY DEVIATION FROM THAT, IN A PROPOSED WITH THIS CHANGE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO PROVE IT AS A COMMISSION. YOU HAVE THE PROTECTION BUILT IN THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU THE PROPOSED CHANGE THE FIRST ONE IS THE CHANGE FROM WHERE THE CRITERIA WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED THROUGH THE ZONING DISTRICT AND ADDING THE CAMPGROUND RECREATIONAL PARK AS AN ALLOWABLE CONDITIONAL USE IN THE UD.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED 7-02 RECOMMEND APPROVAL. STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF

THE CHANGE DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> WE DISCUSSED THIS AND I SAID

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IS THERE A LIMIT ON HOW LONG PEOPLE CAN SAY THERE? I WOULD NOT WANT TO CREATE A VAGABOND COMMUNITY WHERE NOBODY PAYS TAXES. IS THERE A PROVISION OR A

STOPGAP OF LIKE THREE MONTHS? >> I WILL ANSWER THAT. IT IS REALLY ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT ITEM. THAT ITEM SINCE THE LIMIT FOR 180 DAYS FOR THE LENGTH OF STAY OR ANYONE. THAT IS ALSO BUILT AND YOUR CONDITIONAL USE REQUIREMENT.

>> THAT WOULD BE LONG IN THE NEXT ITEM. >> EXPERT.

>> AS LONG AS IT IS SOMEPLACE. >> EXPERT DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. BROWN AT THIS TIME? IF NOT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANYONE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING ON NUMBER 23 AT THIS TIME? >> ( INDISCERNIBLE ) I'M THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY FOR THE NEXT ITEM. TO YOUR QUESTION THERE IS PROTECTION THAT REGULATES THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES. THERE IS A LIMIT OF 180 DAYS.

YOU HAVE THE COLD PROTECTION, YOU HAVE YOUR CONDITIONAL USE PROTECTION AND OUR APPLICATION, WE HAVE PUT IT IN THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION AS WELL, 180 DAYS. FOR US IT IS THREE LAYERS OF PROTECTION. YOU HAVE IT IN THE RULES. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE

RECORD SINCE YOU ASKED. >> WITH ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE?

>> I SEE NONE. WE WILL CLOSE THE HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR

DISCUSSION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CONDON.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPALS IT CARRIES 5-0.

[24. 5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard. Public Hearing to Consider Application PUD 21-01 Rezoning from Ag and AR to PUD. (Comm. Cella; Dist.1) Planning Commission voted 6-0 to Approve. (M.Brown)]

ITEM NUMBER 24. ESTHER BROWN CONTINUE. >> GERMAN COMMISSION PUD 21 -- ZERO ONE. THE PREVIOUS CHANGES COME TO FRUITION HERE.

THIS IS A REQUEST TO REZONE 40 A .34 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL/ RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTY AND 46.89 ACRES OF AGRICULTURAL ZONED PROPERTY TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT.

THE AGENT FOR THE APPLICANT IS WITH ROGERS TOWERS. THE PARCEL IS LOCATED AT 5268 SOUTH HIGHWAY 17. AND 1172 BATTEN ROAD. THE HEARING ON AUGUST 3 VOTED 6-02 RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS. BUT NEXT LIGHT SHOWS YOU THE ZONING.

YOU CAN SEE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT, AN AREA OF THE PROPERTY. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE PUD TO REQUEST 550 SPACE RV PARK. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON U.S. 17 AS I INDICATED, TWO AND HALF MILES SOUTH OF THE INTERCHANGE. IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH THE FIRST EXPRESSWAY.

THE SITE HAS BEEN UTILIZED FOR CIVIL CULTURE ACTIVITIES. IT ALSO CONTAINS 815-ACRE AREA, THE AREA IS GOING TO BE FOR PARKEY'S. AS I INDICATED, THE DEVELOPMENT IS A SPACE RV PARK WITH ACCESSORY USES TO SUPPORT THE RESORT INCLUDING POOL, CLUBHOUSE

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RESTAURANT AND AMENITIES. THERE WILL BE SINGLE ACCESS TO THE PROPOSED PARK WHICH THIS IS COMING OFF OF U.S. 17. THERE WILL BE THIS IS ASSURANCES AS TO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY. NOTHING BUT SET FORTH IN THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION CAN HAPPEN OUT THERE WITHOUT A CHANGE TO THE PUD WHICH WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION FOR

CHANGE. >> WHAT KIND OF DENSITY DOES IT REPRESENT?

>> IT IS HARD TO COMPARE BECAUSE IT IS AN RV PARK AND THE SITES ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU

WOULD SEE. >> IF YOU GET PEOPLE IT'S NOT WATER TO SO WHERE.

>> WEARS A GOING. THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE, WHETHER IT TRIGGERS THE THRESHOLD OR CAN BE DONE I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT SEEN THE NUMBERS TO.

BUT THEY WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT WE GO THROUGH DEVELOPMENT REVIEW.

WE LOOK AT THAT, ALL OF THAT CRITERIA THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE A SYSTEM THAT HANDLES THE DEVELOPMENT. THE WATER AND SEWER, THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ON-SITE AND IT

WILL HAVE TO BE SIZED HANDLE THE CAPACITY -- >> YOU DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S

ACCESS TO WATER AND SEWAGE? >> THEY WILL HAVE TO DEVELOP IT. THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT.

THIS IS WHAT MOST DEVELOPMENTS YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE IF IT'S A RESIDENTIAL THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE AREA, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE WATER AND SEWER. THIS WILL BE NO DIFFERENT THAN

ANY OTHER DEVELOPMENT. >> THE OTHER ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

HOW DO WE KNOW WHO'S THERE FOR 180 DAYS AND WHO IS NOT. >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WAYS TO TRACK IT. ONE IS, IF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER AS CONCERNS, IT STARTED THERE NOW BUT YOU COULD ADD A CONDITION THAT THEY KEEP RECORDS AND ALLOW THE COUNTY TO

REVIEW THE RECORDS. >> IN MY FORMER LIFE, I USED TO TAKE CARE OF STUFF ON THE RAILROAD. WE HAD COMMUNITIES AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE IN PLACES LIKE WASHINGTON D.C., DOWNTOWN. THEY COULD DO ANYTHING WITH THEM.

THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO ANTICIPATE, WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE IF IT GOT OUT OF CONTROL.

I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAPPEN BUT AT THE SAME TIME IF WERE GOING TO DO THIS AND IF WE DO IT FOR ANYONE THAT WANTS TO DO IT. WE NEED TO SAFEGUARD THIS WHERE WE COULD STEP IN IF IT DOES GET OUT OF CONTROL AND FIX IT. I THINK, I WAS THINKING THREE MONTHS WOULD BE PLENTY.

SOMEONE COMES IT'S A FOR THE SUMMER. WERE DOING THIS AS A TOURIST VENUE, I GET THAT BUT, EVEN -- WHEN YOU GO INTO A FOUR -- FOREIGN COUNTRY YOU HAVE TO GO AWAY FOR ONE DAY AND COME BACK, THAT KIND OF STUFF. HOW DO WE POLICE THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. ANY CONCEPT AS TO HOW WE COUNT THIS SPIRIT I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR THIS BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO GET AROUND IT, THEY CAN.

>> YOU CAN DRIVE ON THE DRIVE BACK AND. >> THE RESIDENCE BODY COMING.

I THINK TODAY, THEY HAVE ALREADY EXPANDED. WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE,

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THOSE RIGS ARE WORTH MORE MONEY THAN MY HOUSE. THEY ARE REALLY NICE TRUCKS

REALLY NICE RAISE. >> HOW MUCH TAX PEOPLE GET -- CLAY COUNTY GET.

>> THIS IS BRADFORD BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THEY ARE EATING AT RESTAURANTS.

THEY ARE GOING TO THE NAIL PLACE. >> THERE ARE NUMBERS OF THE

FINANCIAL IMPACT THE RV PARK WILL GENERATE. >> MIGHT PARENTS ARE FULL TIME ON AN RV. THEY HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR THIS FOR YEARS.

THERE'S NOTHING AROUND HERE LIKE THIS. THEY HAVE ONE OF THE BIG RIGS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. IT IS GORGEOUS. THEY HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE THE SAME RVS. THIS IS WELL NEEDED AND I THINK THE PEOPLE WILL DEFINITELY FIGHT THAT KIND OF HAPPENING IN THE RV PARK I DID ASK IF THERE WOULD BE CRONK -- CONCRETE PADS.

THEY SAID IT WILL. DEFINITELY, I THINK IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN LOOK AT THAT, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT WOULD BE, PEOPLE CAN GET A ROUNDED IF THEY WANT TO.

YOU WILL HAVE PEOPLE THERE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR THAT, THAT DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

>> I THINK THEY RUN INTO RESIDENCY ISSUES. MOST OF THE PEOPLE I MET, HAVE A RESIDENT ISSUE THAT TRIGGERS THEY WANT TO BE FLORIDA RESIDENTS BUT THEY CAN'T BE.

>> THEY ALSO HAVE TO HAVE A PERMANENT ADDRESS. >> MOST OF THE COMMUNITY USING RVS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WANT TO GET THE APPLICANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

ANYTHING ELSE? >> I CAN IMAGINE FLORIDA STATUTE REQUIRES YOU TO REGISTER IN A

HOTEL, BUT DOES NOT HAVE AN RV PARK. >> I KNOW FOR THE CAMPGROUNDS THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE OWNER TO OPERATE OR MAINTAIN A COUNT ON THE CAMPGROUNDS.

MAYBE HE KNOWS THE ANSWER. I'M NOT AWARE OF WHETHER THE RV PARK FALLS INTO THAT CATEGORY OR

NOT. I JUST DON'T KNOW. >> I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT

THIS AS A HOTEL. >> I THINK IT DOES, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

>> LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SO WE CAN ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS.

YOU WANT TO COME UP? MICHAEL DO YOU WANT TO COME UP AND ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. DO YOU HAVE AN OPENING?

>> THANK YOU. SO, WE HAVE FIRST OF ALL, AN ENGINEER WHO IS AN ENGINEER AND HAS DESIGNED PROBABLY TO AND OF THESE AROUND THE STATE. HE WILL COME OUT FOR ME TOO ADDRESS THE WATER AND SO WE ARE ISSUES. BUT JUST IN GENERAL, THAT SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE REFERENCED, LET ME BACK UP. THIS PUD SITE PLANT WILL CONTROL THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE. THEY ARE BINDING DOCUMENTS. WITHIN THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION THERE ARE SOME TENT CAMPING TRUCK CAMPING POP-UP CAMPERS. ALL OF THOSE ARE PROHIBITED HERE. THESE WILL BE THE HIGHER END BIG RIG VEHICLES.

THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS THAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD AND YOU CAN ASK HIM YOURSELF, APPROXIMATELY $11 MILLION TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE SITE PLAN.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO CATER TO FLY-BY-NIGHT RESIDENCE. THE INTENT IS TO PROVIDE THE AMENITIES THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST, RIGHT THE ERROR AND LET PEOPLE COME AND STAY FOR A WHILE. 180 DAY LIMIT IN THE WRITTEN DESCRIPTION.

IN YOUR CONDITIONAL USES. THE BASIS FOR THE PEOPLE TO COME AND STAY WILL BE EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE APARTMENTS. IT WILL BE IN A WRITTEN CONTRACT WHERE YOU HAVE TO COME IN, GO TO

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THE MAIN OFFICE, SIGN A LEASE, THEY WILL HAVE TO GIVE A NAME AND A CREDIT CARD, THAT WAY THEY KNOW THEY CANNOT TAKE OFF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. THESE WILL NOT BE TRANSIENT HOPEFUL TYPE PEOPLE. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO WILL SPEND THE FIGURE OF $300 PER DAY.

TAXES, GASOLINE SALES, EATING IN THE RESTAURANTS AND MORE. I WILL STOP THERE.

I WILL TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS WE WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

>> THERE ARE NATIONAL RATINGS. I'M SURE YOU WILL TRY TO MAKE THAT A HIGH RATING.

>> YES. >> I HAVE DONE I THINK HE HAS CUT ME SOME SLACK BUT I HAVE DONE 50 OF THESE. WE HAVE DONE SOME OF THE POPULAR ONES AROUND TOWN.

THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF JACKSONVILLE. WE ARE WORKING ON DEERFIELD LAKE SPIRIT IN NASSAU COUNTY IT IS A LOT. WE DO HAVE ONE IN ST. MARY, THE FIRST PAGE IS 350 UNITS UP TO 600 UNITS. THIS IS THE ULTIMATE DESIGN.

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT WATER AND SEWER, TWO OF THESE PARKS NOW HAVE, WATER AND WASTEWATER ON-SITE, SYSTEMS WE DESIGN. WE DID HAVE A MEETING TODAY ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF CONNECTING TO THEM. WE HAVE TO MEET STANDARDS.

THIS WILL NOT BE A SEPTIC SYSTEM. THIS WILL BE A FULL LAWN, ON-SITE TREATMENT AND OR COMBINATION OF AN ON-SITE WATER PLANT AND THE REAL POSSIBILITY OF TYING INTO THE RECEIPT CUA. THE OTHER THING, THE AMERICAN RV ASSOCIATION WE JOIN TO GET ACCESS TO A LOT OF DATA AND STUDIES. TO LET EVERYONE KNOW, THIS IS A REALLY BIG PROJECT FOR THE COUNTY. THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF RVS SAY IN FLORIDA AND GEORGIA FOR EVERY SPACE OCCUPIED PER DAY. EVERYONE GOES EVERYWHERE.

THEY WILL GO TO SAINT AUGUSTINE AND THOSE THINGS. THEY WILL PLAY, IF THERE IS A BALL TOURNAMENT IN TOWN, BASEBALL OR FOOTBALL, MOST OF THE PEOPLE COME BY RV.

THEY TRAVEL. THAT IS WHAT THEY CALL IT. THE ONE IN KEYSTONE, WE DID THAT ONE. YOU SAW HOW QUICKLY FILLED UP, THEY DID A CLASS ACT ON THAT ONE. I CAN TELL YOU, THIS, THEY SAID THIS IS DESIGNED IN THE SAME FASHION. NOT AN RV PARK THIS IS AN RV RESORT.

IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THE COUNTY IS PROUD OF. IT IS RECREATION FOR THE KIDS ON THE WEEKEND. PEOPLE WILL LITERALLY LEAVE THE NORTH THEN AND STAY THERE.

NOTHING ELSE LIKE IT AND THE COUNTY. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

FOR ME. >> >> OTHER BUSINESSES COMING TO ACCOMMODATE BY DIESEL AND THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BRING TO THE AREA LIKE JOBS.

>> WHAT THEY DO, THE PAPER MAIL, THE PLANT, WHENEVER THERE IS A SHUTDOWN A LOT OF WORKERS COME IN FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS. IF YOUR MOM OR DAD ARE SICK AND YOU WANT TO STAY IN TOWN AND YOUR MOM OR DAD STAY AT THE MAYO CLINIC OF THERE'S NOWHERE TO STAY THEY GO TO THE RV CLINIC.

WE SEE THAT A LOT. THEY ARE THERE FOR ONE MONTH AND GONE.

SOME SAY A FEW MONTHS. THERE'S ALSO USUALLY A CONTRACT, AND THIS WOULD BE WITH THE STATE AGENCY HAD THEY HAVE TO REPORT HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE AND FOR HOW LONG.

HOW ACCURATE IT IS. I HAVE NO IDEA BUT I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS PAPERWORK REPORTED

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TO THE STATE AND THAT IS THE RULE. WE ALL DRIVE FASTER THAN THE

SPEED LIMIT EVERY NOW AND THEY'D. >> THE STATE WILL GET IT AND

UPPER COUNTY. >> THE STATE GETS THE NUMBER NOT THE COUNTY ELECTS.

>> I THINK IT IS RAN THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. >> IS THERE ANY PLAN TO SETTLE

TO GET THE PLACES. >> YOU OWN TEN RVS AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE RENT THEM?

>> NON- THAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR. >> I CANNOT ANSWER THAT.

>> I KNOW DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA, THAT IS SOMEWHAT COMMON THEY SUBLET THE UNITS BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THE ONES THAT WE HAVE DONE OVER THE PAST 6-8 YEARS HAVE BEEN STRICTLY RVS.

THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE UNIT HOSANNA MOVES OUT. SO THE COMMISSIONER SAID IF WE PASS THIS, IT CAN'T GO ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME WITH US WITH A BUT.

YES IT MOST LIKELY WOULD, AS A CONDITIONAL USE, YOUR CONDITIONAL USE, THERE IS STILL ALLOWABLE ADDITIONAL PARK AS SET FORTH TODAY IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

ANY PLACE ANY ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD ALLOW THAT CONDITIONAL USED TO HAPPEN, BUT TO DO IT IN AN AGRICULTURAL LAND USE WOULD REQUIRED DEVELOPMENT BASED ON YOUR PREVIOUS ACTION.

>> BUT ANYBODY COULD DO IT. >> BUT I WAS MAKING SURE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE JUST BECAUSE WE HAD PROVED THAT THEY CAN'T JUST GO. THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK TO US. AND DEPENDING ON HOW IT IS. AND IN THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL IT IS RIGHT OFF OF 17. IT IS IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT OF ANYTHING IN THE AREA SO IT MAKES SENSE TO DO THAT. BUT I WILL LET THE APPLICANT

TALK ABOUT HIS VISION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS MICHAEL PARADE.

SO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE COMMUNITY WE ARE LOOKING AT INVESTMENT USE.

THINGS THAT ADD VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. WHEN WE FOUND THIS PARCEL, WHEN I FOUND THIS PARCEL, IT IS A PERFECT LOCATION, JUST LIKE THE COMMISSIONER SAID FOR ACCESS ON AND OFF 17, THE BELTWAY. IT IS A PERFECT LOCATION FOR THIS.

IT'S NOT TENSE. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY AROUND THE.

THERE ARE SOME HOUSES THAT ARE SCATTERED OUT ON THE ACREAGE. IT IS A PERFECT APPLICATION AND PERFECT USE FOR THIS SPIRIT I WILL REITERATE WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER.

KEYSTONE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT WE WILL DO IT MUCH BETTER. KEYSTONE IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT A BEAUTIFUL RV PARK LOOKS LIKE. BUT TYPES OF VEHICLES THAT ARE COMING IN.

THE TYPES OF PEOPLE TRANSITIONING TO AND FROM. I HATE TO USE TRANSIENT.

TRANSIENT THROUGH THE PARKS. IT IS USUALLY AN OLDER GROUP IT IS FOLKS THAT LIKE YOU DESCRIBE WITH HER FOLKS, PEOPLE THAT ARE USUALLY TURNING THE LIGHTS OFF AT 8:30 P.M. AND GOING TO BED.

THEY ARE NOT WILD AND CRAZY BUT GOOD TO BRING REVENUE STREAMS TO THE COMMUNITY.

THE BEST USE FOR PROPERTY AND COMMUNITY. THIS PUTS A LOW BURDEN ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. NO BURDEN ON THE SCHOOLS AND A LOW BURDEN ON ANY MEDICAL PLANS OR POLICE AND FIRE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE STREAMS THAT WE BENEFIT FROM, AND THE LACK OF SERVICES NEEDED FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT TO ME IT IS A NO-BRAINER.

THE APPLICATION IS IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, AND IT WILL BE A HUGE VALUE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

I WILL ALSO ADD, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN TO THE FAIR AND NO THERE'S NO HOTEL ROOMS, THE SMALL AREA IS USUALLY FULL OF ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS AT THE FAIRGROUNDS.

THIS ADDS THAT ELEMENT. SO WE CAN SERVICE THOSE COMING IN THIS IS A GREAT VALUE AND THAT IS WHY I AM INVOLVED IN A. MY ONLY QUESTION IS, DO WE HAVE YOUR COMMITMENT HERE ON THE

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FLOOR. IF YOU'RE ASKING US TO SUPPORT THIS THAT YOU KNOW WHAT IT SAME.

THIS IS WHERE THEY. >> >> THIS IS WHERE I LIVE AND WORK

AND RAISE MY CHILDREN SO THE ANSWER IS YES. >> YOU ARE SUCH A CYNIC.

>> I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SAFEGUARDS WE CAN SAY SOMETHING

AND HE GETS RESULTS. >> THIS IS THE RIGHT THINGS OCCUR AT THE RIGHT PLACES.

IN THE PAST, BEFORE WAS OF THE COMMISSION THERE WAS A CAMPGROUND OR --

>> AND IT WASN'T THE RIGHT PLACE. >> I THINK IT IS UNFAIR TO ASK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD HOTELS AND OTHER OCCUPANCY AND BUSINESSES, THAT PASS THROUGH WITHOUT QUESTIONS ON HOW THEY WILL PREVENT IT FROM TURNING IT INTO A HOBO HAVEN. WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS BEING PROPOSED AND SPENT, EVEN IF IT IS SOLD, IT IS A BIG BUSINESS TO RUN IT THE RIGHT WAY AS OPPOSED TO HAVING PEOPLE YOU DON'T WANT IN THEIR. I HAVE FAITH IN MICHAEL AND I THINK IT IS A GOOD PROJECT, AND

I SUPPORT IT. >> SINCE IT IS IN YOUR DISTRICT I WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

TANTRUMS GOING TO ASK SOMEONE TO >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> WE ARE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IF YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. >> DALE CARTER.

I JUST NEED TO KNOW WILL YOU GET ANY BIDS OFF OF THIS. WHO GETS THE BID TAX THAT'S ALL

I'M ASKING. >> GOOD QUESTION. >> IS IT LIKE A HOTEL?

>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. CAN YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH YOU WERE CHARGING PER NIGHT X WHAT

DID YOU SAY MICHAEL REX. >> I THINK -- IT'S A GREAT QUESTION BUT I THINK WE ARE STILL WORKING OUT THE DETAILS. WE WERE LOOKING AT -- LET ME ASK HENRY TO COME UP AND ANSWER THAT

QUESTION. >> IT'S GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE ONES THAT FLAMINGO DEPENDING IF YOU ARE ON THE LAKE OR OFF OF THE LAKE. GENERALLY, 100 PER NIGHT.

FOR THE MONTHLY RENT, THE WATER IT IS AROUND 900 PER MONTH AND THEN DOWN TO THE CHEAP SEATS

THAT FACE -- >> INTO LAKES ON THE PROPERTY REX.

>> WE DO HAVE TO DO A STORMWATER TREATMENT. WE WILL TRY TO MAKE MOST OF IT FLOW INTO THE RETENTION PONDS. WE WILL TRY TO KEEP THE. IN A CONDITION WHERE WE CAN GET THAT APPROVED AS A SWIMMING LAKE. THE WHOLE IS NEARLY 2 FEET DEEP AND 19 ACRES. WE WILL TRY TO KEEP THAT AS AN AMENITY.

>> >> MY QUESTION IS BACK TO WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

LETTING PEOPLE STAY HERE FOR SIX MONTHS. I TAKE MY MOTHER CAMPING.

MOST TIMES YOU ARE LIMITED TO TWO WEEKS. YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF NORTHERN PEOPLE COMING DOWN AND THEY STAYED THERE FOR SIX MONTHS AND PEOPLE LIKE US CAN'T GO FOR THE

WEEKEND. THANK YOU. >> WE WON'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO

GO THERE. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, IF THAT HAPPENS, WE WOULD BUY ANOTHER 4.

>> WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

[25. 5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing regarding purchase and development of Multi-Purpose Youth Sports Complex located off State Road 21, just north of State Road 16 - Consideration of (1) Independent Analysis of Public-Private Partnership Project; (2) Real Property Appraisal; (3) Purchase and Sale Agreement; and (4) Development Agreement]

THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU ALL. WE WILL MOVE TO NUMBER 25 AND

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NUMBER 26 THEY BOTH HAVE TO DO WITH THE MULTIPURPOSE USE SPORTS WE ARE STILL NEGOTIATING AND WORKING OUT THE LANGUAGE FOR THE CONTRACT SPIRIT I ASKED THEM TO MOVE IT PAST THE 12TH OF OCTOBER MEETING. I WON'T BE HERE BECAUSE I WILL BE AT THE SUPERVISOR'S OFFICE.

THEY WERE ABLE TO DO THAT SO WE CAN NEGOTIATE THE WORDING. BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I DO HAVE ONE CARD. MR. CARTER, DO YOU WANT TO COME ON DOWN.

WE ADVERTISE IT SO WE HAVE TO LET YOU SPEAK. >> WHAT DID THE APPRAISAL COME

BY. >> CAN YOU SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

>> I WANTED TO KNOW HOW IT CAME ABOUT, DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW THE APPRAISAL CAME ABOUT.

>> IT IS INCLUDED ON THE BACK OF THE AGENDA. >> WE GET LESS THAN YOU DO.

>> NO, IT IS ONLINE. HOLD ON. ONE IS, I DON'T KNOW IT WAS

8,70050 IF IT WAS DONE AT BEST USE IT WAS 19,500. >> THAT IS WHAT I WAS WONDERING.

ALSO LIKE I SAID, ON THIS GOVERNOR MATCH GRANT I KNOW YOU WANT THE GOVERNOR AND EVERYONE ZONE FOR THIS REALLY HAVE A BUT, WHAT IS THE STIPULATIONS FOR THIS GRANT? THAT YOU CAN DO ANY PART? THAT YOU CAN FIX UP THREE PARKS? ALL OF YOUR PARKS, OR 20-YEARS-OLD. YOU HAVE $3 MILLION YOU'RE GETTING FROM FOR THEM.

CAN YOU GO TO OTHER PARKS AND FIX THEM UP OR IS THIS BRAND-NEW STUFF.

THIS IS FOR A MULTI SPORTS COMPLEX. THAT IS THE SPECIFICS AND THERE ARE SOME OTHERS IN THE WORDING I DON'T HAVE IT HANDY BUT THAT IS WHAT IT COSTS.

>> YOU KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL COST TO MAINTAIN PER YEAR. PART OF THAT IS BASED ON WHAT WE END UP WITH AS FAR AS FACILITIES. THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORKING ON

NOW. >> SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL COST.

>> AS YOU KNOW,. >> I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S LIKE A CAR ONLY IF YOU GET THE SERVICE ON A. THIS IS THE AGRICULTURAL PRICE WHICH IS MORE UNDERSTANDABLE FOR

THAT AREA. DID YOU REZONE IT? >> NOTE, THAT'S COMING UP NEXT

BUT WE ARE POSTPONING. >> ANYONE ELSE? IF NOT, WE WILL CONTINUE THE

PUBLIC HEARING. WE WILL MOVE PAST THIS PORTION. >> A MOTION THAT EVERYONE AGREES

TO DO THAT. CAN WE MOVE IT TO OCTOBER 26. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE ANY OPPOSE? IT CARRIES 5-0. NUMBER 26 WILL BE THE SAME

[26. 5:00 pm or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Final Public Hearing to Consider Z 21-08, Rezoning approximately 250 acres from AG to PO-2. (Comm. Condon, District 4) Planning Commission voted 7-0 to approve ( M. Brown)]

THING. WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN.

DALE DID YOU NEED TO COME BACK? ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING ON THIS ISSUE? IF NOT WE WILL CLOSE AND CONTINUED THIS MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONTINUANCE.

WE HAVE A MOTION NANOSECOND ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. I WILL MOVE TO NUMBER 27.

[27. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider a Substantial Amendment to the CDBG Consolidated Plan, Annual Action Plan and the Citizen Participation Plan. (D. Selig)]

THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO GET A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE DPG CONSOLIDATED PLAN.

>> THIS IS A SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT WE TRANSMITTED THE CDBG APPLICATION TO HUD AFTER

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YOUR APPROVAL THAT WAS ON AUGUS. WE THEN RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM HUD THAT WE WERE RECEIVING ADDITIONAL FUNDS. AND THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

BOTH OF THOSE FACTORS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT IN THE REVISIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

THEY ARE ATTACHED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. WE ARE AMENDING THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN. THE ANNUAL ACTION PLAN, AND THE CITIZEN PARTICIPATION PLAN.

THERE IS A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THAT BEGAN ON AUGUST 30 AND RUNS THROUGH TONIGHT.

AS OF THIS EVENING BEFORE I CAME TO THE MEETING WE RECEIVED NO COMMENTS, IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS I, WE WILL INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE APPLICATION BUT AT THIS TIME, THERE ARE NONE.

>> WE DID HAVE A SEPTEMBER 13 MEETING. >> ALL OF THE GRANTS LOOK-ALIKE.

>> SCRATCH THAT. ALL RIGHT, ESSENTIALLY, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, HAD A GRANT PROGRAM AND RESPONDED TO US AND ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND THIS IS GOING BACK TO THEM AND LETTING THEM KNOW, WE WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE THEIR EXTRA $15,000.

THIS WILL BE APPLIED AND IT ALL GOES INTO ONE CATEGORY. >> IT WAS ALREADY IN THE PLAN.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> WHEN WE APPROVED I SAID THAT WE HAVE A RESIDENCE REQUIREMENT AND WE SAID WE WOULD PUT IT IN. CAN YOU SHOW ME WHAT PAGE IT'S ON?

>> IT IS NOT HERE. IT IS PART OF HUD'S REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE MOBILE HOME SECTION.

WE DO HAVE SOME LANGUAGE THAT SAYS THE APPLICANT HAS TO HAVE LIVED IN THE MOBILE HOME FOR ONE YEAR. UNDER THE REHAB SECTION, THE LANGUAGE TALKS ABOUT AN ELIGIBLE EVENT -- ELIGIBLE APPLICANT. THAT HAS AN EXTENSIVE REQUIREMENT.

THERE IS NOT A SPECIFIC. NOTHING I AM AWARE OF AT THE MOMENT JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN

OUR PLANT DOES NOT MEAN -- >> WHEN I VOTED TO APPROVE IT I WAS TOLD IT WOULD BE IN THEIR.

>> IS HEALTH PLANNING STILL UNDER CONTRACT. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

THEY ARE THE ONES WHO SUBMITTED IT LAST MONTH OR AUGUST. >> I THOUGHT I ASKED THE

QUESTION AND THE ANSWER WAS NO. >> SOMEONE HERE SHOULD KNOW THE HEALTH PLANNING COUNCIL IS UNDER

CONTRACT AND IT'S NOT COMPLETE. ARE THEY STILL UNDER CONTRACT. >> WE HAVE NOT PAID THEM IN FULL YET. THAT IS THE REASON THEY ARE NOT HERE? TO BE HONEST, WE PICKED UP WHEN THEY SENT THE INFORMATION, THEY PICKED UP THE BALL AND RAN WITH IT. THEY WERE NOT IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE FUNDING AGENCY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE ENTERTAINING A CONTRACT AS SUCH. THEY SAID THIS WAS NOT DONE PROPERLY TO BEGIN WITH. I NOW SEE IT IS ANOTHER ISSUE. I AM NOT HAPPY WITH THE PROGRESS ON THIS. WE WENT FOR YEARS WITHOUT APPLYING FOR IT NOW WE CANNOT

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EVEN DO IT RIGHT. >> I WILL SAY WE ONLY BECAME ELIGIBLE ABOUT TWO AND HALF

YEARS AGO TO APPLY ON OUR OWN. >> LET'S JUST MAKE SURE THAT'S ACCURATE.

WHAT WE DID PRIOR TO THAT, WE TRIED TO GET OTHER TOWNS INVOLVED BECAUSE WE NEEDED THEM TO BE RECOMMENDED AND NONE OF THEM WANTED TO DO A. IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE BEEN INELIGIBLE BUT ANYWAY, WE CONTRACTED TO HAVE THIS DONE. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT.

AFTER WE WENT THROUGH THE LAST DEBACLE, THEY WERE CAPABLE OF FIXING IT.

HE WAS A ALL CAPS SUBCONTRACTOR HE HELPED US BUT TO BE HONEST SHE IS THE ONE WHO HELPED.

>> ARE WE DONE PAYING THEM? >> WE HAVE PAID THEM PARTIALLY BUT NOT FULLY.

>> HOW MUCH DO WE PAY THEM? >> AND THE CONTRACT IT WAS $90,000 I THINK.

IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT. MAYBE HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE ATTORNEYS ON HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO PAY BUT WE DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

>> IF THEY ARE STILL UNDER CONTRACT I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE NOT STILL ENGAGE WITH THE

PROJECT. >> WE WANT TO FINISH THIS OURSELVES TO MAKE SURE IT WAS

DONE CORRECTLY. >> THERE ARE WAYS TO DO THAT LEGALLY.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT IT. >> THE OTHER ASPECT, WE HAD A TIGHT TURNAROUND.

>> NO ONE IS ARGUING, COMMISSIONER. I THINK THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT CHARISSE AND HER TEAM CAME UP WITH ON WHY THEY OPERATED THE WAY THEY DID.

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT WHO'S DOING A GOOD JOB OR NOT. I THINK IF THEY DIDN'T THEY JUST

NEED TO -- >> I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS GET THIS ACROSS THE FINISH LINE. AND YOU HAVE A MUCH BETTER

PROFIT. >> OR HAVE TO REMEMBER WE FIRST STARTED THIS, WE DID NOT HAVE THE PLANNING STAFF AND THAT IS THE REASON. WE ARE IN A BETTER PLACE AND WE ALSO HAVE THE GRANTS TEAM NOW. THEY WILL BE THE ONES THAT ADMINISTER THIS AND WE WILL WORK HAND-IN-HAND WITH THEM. I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE THAN I DID ONE MONTH AND A HALF AGO.

LET'S JUST SAY THAT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, HANG IN THERE JUST IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY ISSUES ON NUMBER 27? THE CDBG CONSOLIDATED PLAN? I SEE NONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK

TO THE BOARD. >> I MOVE WE APPROVE THE SUBSTANTIAL AMENDMENT TO THE

CDBG CONSOLIDATED ACTION PLAN. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> ALONG WITH APPROVAL OF THE

RESOLUTION. SANCHEZ, AND THE RESOLUTION. >> SECOND.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

THE MOTION CARRIES 3-TO. GO COMMOTIONS -- >> COMMISSIONER, IF IT PLEASE LET SHARE, MY APPLICANT, FOR ITEM NUMBER 32 DROVE HERE TONIGHT FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD. IT IS A LONG WAY BACK FOR HER ON THAT DRIVE.

COULD WE POSSIBLY,. THAT ONE? OTHERWISE WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO

THE BEGINNING. >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. ONE IS ACCEPTING THE RESIGNATION

[31. Acceptance of Resignation from Jennifer Eason - Clay County Historic Preservation Board]

[32. Discussion of Appointment to the Clay County Historic Preservation Board]

AND ONE IS ACCEPTING THE APPOINTMENT -- DEIDRE MURPHY. TO THE DISTRICT FOR VACANCY.

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WE COULD DO THEM IN THE SAME MOTION IF SOMEONE WANTS TO DO THAT.

>> I ALSO MOVE THAT. >> WE DO HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER PAULA AND

COMMISSIONER CONDON. >> THIS IS DEIRDRE MURPHY AND I JUST WANT TO SAY SHE IS A GREAT ADDITION BECAUSE SHE IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS OF THE HISTORICAL PRESERVATION BOARD FOR THE CITY OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. SHE IS COMING TO US WITH

EXPERIENCE. VERY COMMITTED. >> THANK YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. WE KNOW YOU WILL DO A GREAT JOB. IF NOT, COMMISSIONER BOLA WILL

COME AFTER YOU. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED

TO CARRIES 5-0. CONGRATULATIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, WE WILL MAKE A SPRINT BACK TO THE BEGINNING. WE FINISHED UP WITH NUMBER TEN THE LIEN REDUCTION.

[11. Notice of Intent and Award of RFP #20/21-50, Design/Build - Department of Health Building Renovations and the Agreement with D.E. Scorpio Corporation d/b/a Scorpio (K. Thomas / G. Price)]

WE ARE ON TO NUMBER 11. NOTICE OF INTENT AND AWARD RFP #20/21 -- 50.

>> THIS IS THE BID AWARD FOR THE PROJECT FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUILDING SPIRIT THESE ARE THE BUILDINGS WE PURCHASED AT TOWNCENTER. WE DID USE THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL TEAM ON THIS DESIGN PROJECT. WE DO HAVE TEAMMATES HERE TONIGHT IF YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM UNDERSTOOD THE SCOPE OF THE WORK.

MADE THEM AWARE THAT THEY COULD NOT CHANGE THE NUMBERS AND THEY SAID THEY UNDERSTOOD AND STOOD BY THEIR NUMBERS. THAT WAS PART OF THE EVALUATION PROCESS.

THAT IS WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU'RE TOO BUSY TO DO IT. >> SO WE DID CONFIRM THAT IS A GOOD AMOUNT, A GOOD NUMBER. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF THAT.

[12. Second Extension to Interlocal Agreement #2017/2018-21 with the Jacksonville Transportation Authority for Commuter Bus Service (V. Hapner)]

>> ANYTHING ELSE DISCUSSION WISECRACKS WE HAVE A MOTION IN FAVOR.

ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES 5-0. ON TO NUMBER 12. IT IS THE SECOND EXTENSION TO

THE INTERLOCAL WITH THE JTA. >> HELLO. I AM VICTORIA.

THIS IS TO APPROVE THE SECOND EXTENSION WITH OUR AGREEMENT WITH JTA.

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THIS COVERS THE SERVICE BETWEEN CLAY COUNTY AND DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE.

>> WE JUST NEED THE APPROVAL FOR THAT. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS?