[Call to Order] [00:00:07] >> WELCOME EVERYONE, TO THE CLAY COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR SEPTEMBER 7TH, 2021. [Pledge of Allegiance] BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, WE WOULD LIKE TO START WITH THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. BOY SCOUTS HERE TODAY LEADER MR. BIYIN WITH TROOP 309. WE ARE ASKING THEM TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR CHIT STANDS UNNATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> ONE OTHER ITEM I WANTED TO MENTION BEFORE WE GET STARTED TONIGHT, I'M SURE MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE, THERE IS THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT FOR US TO CONSIDER THAT DAY. THANK YOU. WE WILL START WITH INTRODUCTIONS HERE. SAY WE START OVER HERE. MY FAR RIGHT IS PETE DAVIS COMMISSIONER, NEXT TO HIM IS COMMISSIONER BO NORTON, MARY BRIDGEMAN, I'M THE CHAIRMAN TO, MY LEFT IS COMMISSIONER BOURRÉ AND BILL GARRISON. JAMES FOSSA REPRESENTS THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AT THESE MEETINGS. WE HAVE OUR DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC AND DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, SHARICE STEWART OVER HER, IN FRONT OF HER OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY COURTNEY GRIMM, MIKE BROWN CHIEF OF ZONING, OUT THERE KEEPING OUR MINUTES IS CHRISTINE BLANCHARD WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AN KEEPING US SAFE TONIGHT IS DEPUTY DAVIS SITTING OVER HERE. DID I GET EVERYBODY? I SEE KELLEY COLLINS. WHO DID I MISS? OH, DODI. WHO ELSE? OKAY. RIGHT. WE GOT A BIT OF AN AGENDA TONIGHT SO WE WILL GET STARTED. [1.  Approval of Minutes] I'LL FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS TO APPROVE OUR MINUTES FROM LAST WEEK. MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> ANY CHANGES OR DISCUSSIONS ON THE MINUTES? SEEING NONE ALL IN AGREEMENT SAY [Public Comment] AYE. OPPOSED. OKAY. WE WILL START WITH OUR FIRST PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THESE COMMENT PERIODS ARE REALLY FOR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE PERTINENT TO THIS BOARD, BUT DOESN'T IS NOT ONE OF THE SPECIFIC ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. AND I THINK I HAVE ONE CARD FOR THAT, KAYE MANLEY. IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR NAME AN ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. >> LOWER THIS A LITTLE BUILT. HI. MAY NAME IS KAYE MANLEY. I LIVE IN ASBURY. I'M HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT AN AGENDA ITEM THAT'S NOT ON INJURE AGENDA BUT WILL BE IN THE COMING MONTHS. I'M SPEAKING OF THE LAKE CLARK PROPERTY IN THE LAKE ASBURY AREA. I KNOW THEY'RE SPEAKING TO YOU AND I WANTED TO YOU HEAR MULTIPLE SIDES OF THIS ISSUE. I WANTED TO YOU HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MOST AFFECTED BY THIS. THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN LAKE ASBURY. YOU NEED TO HEAR FROM US SO YOU CAN HEAR BOTH SIDES OF THE STORY. LAKE LARC, IT MEANS LAKE ASBURY REMEMBERING RAIL CENTER IT WAS [00:05:04] DONATED BY TOM RYAN ONE OF THE ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS IN LAKE ASBURY TO THE METHODIST CHURCH AND IT WAS USED FOR YEARS AS THEIR RETREAT CENTER. LAKE LARC, IS A CAMPING GROUND AND NUTS ZONE JUST CAMPING. THAT'S OUR PIECE OF THE WOODS. MANY OF Y'ALL HAVE PROBABLY BEEN OUT THERE AS BOY SCOUTS GIRLSCOUTS CHURCH RETREATS IT'S NICE TO VISIT. I RECOGNIZE CHANGES TAKE PLACE AND THINGS DO CHANGE AN SOMETIMES THEY'RE MORE THE GOOD. SOMETIMES CHANGE IS GOOD BUT THE CURRENT OWNER OF LAKE LARC WANTS TO SELL HIS RETREAT TO A DEVELOPER SO THE PROPERTIES CAN BE CONVERTED, THIS BEAUTIFULLY TREED LAKE RECREATIONAL PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE CONVERTED TO DENSE HOUSING. THAT'S THE PROPOSAL. THE LAST DRAWING I SAW HAD ONE HALF ACRE LOTS. YOU MAY THINK THAT'S A LOT, BUT MY PROPERTY IS ALMOST TWO ACRES. THE GUY NEXT DOOR HAS THREE. THE GUY ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS AN EQUALLY BIG LOT. MY COMMUNITY IS LARGE LOTS AND WE ARE NOT DENSE HOUSING. THEN THE ACCESS TO LAKE ASBURY. LAKE LASHING TO GET ACCESS TO THAT YOU MUST GO LAKE ASBURY. THEY'LL BE USING OUR ENTRANCES AND GROWING ACROSS OUR DAMS, OUR BRIDGES ACROSS OUR LAKES. LAKE ASBURY DAM IS DEEDED AS A HIGH HAZARD DAM BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THE SOUTH LAKE DAM IS CRITICAL. THE QUESTION HERE HAS LAKE LARC DEVELOPER HAVE THEY CONTACTED OR WORKED WITH THE STATE AGENCY TO INSURE THAT THEIR OWN DAM IS APPROPRIATELY RATED AND HOW WILL IT BE AFFECTED BY THE NEW CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC. IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE SATISFACTORY RATING WHEN YOU HAVE CARS AND GOLF CARTS BECAUSE WE ARE A GOLF CARPET COMMUNITY AND STILL ANOTHER TO HAVE HEAVY DUMP TRUCKS LOGGING TRUCKS CONCRETE TRUCKS TO BUILD OUT THE 80-200 HOMES HE'S GOING TO PUT IN ALL DRIVING OVER AN EARTH DEN DAM F. IT BREAKS STATE AUTHORITIES DOCUMENTED LIVES WILL BE LOST F. ANY ONE OF THOSE DAMS BREAK, PEOPLE WILL DIE AN IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA. NOW, WHAT IS THE LAKE ASBURY COMMUNITY DOING ABOUT THAT? WE HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE ARE WORKING TO IMPROVE OUR DAMS AND GET THEM UNDER REPAIR. WE ARE WORKING VERY HARD ON THAT WE ARE GOING TO TAX OUR SELF AN EXTRA FROM $600 TO $2400 IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. IT'S ALL BEING WORKED ON. BUT I ASK YOU SERIOUSLY TO CONSIDER ALL THESE ISSUES WHEN REVIEWING THAT PROPOSAL BECAUSE IT'S COMING WHEN THEY WANT TO BUILD OUT LAKE LARC THINK ABOUT THE DAMS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE AND THE WAY THE COMMUNITY IS AND WHAT THIS AREA MIGHT TURN INTO BUT EDUCATE YOURSELF. COME OUT AN VISIT WITH US. WE WILL TAKE YOU ON A TOUR. WE'LL TAKE OUT AND LET YOU SEE, BUT PLEASE, CONSIDER ALL OF THAT WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT REQUEST. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'M GOING TO CLOSE -- IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD? OKAY. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT THE WE GET INTO OUR GENTLEMAN A ITEMS FOR TONIGHT. BEFORE I GET INTO THESE BECAUSE I HAVE A FAIR NUMBER OF COMMENT CARD UP HERE, HOW MANY PEOPLE EVER ATTENDED ONE OF THESE HEARINGS PREVIOUSLY? OKAY. SO, I JUST WANT TO GO REAL QUICK THE PROCESS HERE SO THAT NOBODY FEELS LIKE THEY'RE GETTING SLIGHTED. AS THESE ITEMS COME UP THE COUNTY STAFF WILL PRESENT TO US THEIR REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION, AT WHICH TIME, WE MAY ASK QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF. ONCE WE ARE DONE WITH THAT, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO COMMENTS ON THAT, WE TYPICALLY DO A 3-MINUTE COMMENT. WE ASK YOU TO KEEP YOUR REMARKS BRIEF AND SUCCINCT. ONCE THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS OVER AN EVERYBODY HAS SPOKE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AN BRING IT BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR DISCUSSION AND SOME TYPE OF ACTION. [00:10:02] ONCE THE PUBLIC COMMENT APPEARED IS CLOSED IT'S CLOSED AND WE WILL GO THROUGH EACH ITEM USING THAT FORMAT. I DO HAVE CARDS UP HERE N. CASE SOMEBODY DIDN'T GET A CARD OR WAIVER WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. CHRISTINE WOULD YOU SHOW THAT [1.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application PUD 21-02, Ravines (Comm. Burke, District 5) (M. Brown, Zoning Chief)] COMMISSIONER ANZALONE HAS ARRIVED IN FIRST ITEM PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE REZONING APPLICATION PURRAGEOUS DYNA UD 20-02 AT THE RAVINES. MR. BROWN, YOU HAVE THIS ONE. >> I TWO LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM DISCUSSION AND PARTICIPATION ON THIS ITEM OUT OF BUNTED ANSWER OF CAUTION AN EMPLOYEE OF WIGGINS CONSTRUCTION I WOULD LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM AND FROM ITEM NUMBER 7 SO I'LL BE DOING THE SAME THING. >> VERY GOOD MANY WE WILL MAKE A NOTE OF THAT IN THE MINUTES AND THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT M MR. MR. GARRISON. OKAY, MR. BROWN. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION, THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE AUGUST 13TH HEARING WHICH THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECIDED TO TABLE FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION AT THIS TIME. JUST QUICKLY GO OVER EVERYTHING NOT AS MUCH DETAIL AS LAST MONTH BUT IF THE APPLICANT IS WAITING INVESTMENT OF NORTH FLORIDA, JANET [INAUDIBLE] IS THE AGENT. THE REQUEST IS TO MODIFY THE STRUCTURE KNOWN AS THE LODGE FROM A SHORT TERM STAY HOTEL TO MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE. IT IS LOCATED 3145 RAVINES ROAD. AND THIS WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 28TH MEETING. JUST A REAL QUICK BACKGROUND, THIS IS A ONE ACRE PARCEL LOCATED WITHIN THE RAVINES PUD WHICH CONTAINS THE LODGE WHICH IS A 12 UNIT BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN UTILIZEED IN THE PAST AS A HOTEL FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS. THE RAVINES WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS A PUD IN '78. THE COUNTY ADOPTED AN AMENDMENT IN 1987 TO ALLOW FOR TOTAL 477 UNITS INCLUDING SINGLE MULTI-FAMILY AND HOTEL UNITS. IN 1999 THE OWNERS RECEIVED A VESTING THROUGH THE STATE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING PROCESS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF ENTITLEMENTS ADOPTED IN THE '87 AMENDMENT BY THE COUNTY THAT'S CAPPING THE TOTAL UNITS AT 477 FOR THE ENTIRE PUD. IN 2013 THE COUNTY PLANNING STAFF DETERMINED THE LODGE COULD NOT BE REDEVELOPED AT THAT TIME AS ART UNITS, WITHOUT REDUCING THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL UNITS ELSE WHERE IN THE PUD'S BECAUSE IT WOULD EXCEED THE ALLOWABLE DENSITY OF 447. OR 477. MISS PRINT ON MY PART. HERE IS SHOWING THE ZONING AN AERIAL OF THE STRUCK TOUR AND LOCATION IN QUESTION. THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL MODIFY THE BUILDING KNOWN AS THE LODGE FROM A 12 ROOM SHORT TERM STAY HOTEL TO 11 DWELLING UNIT MULTI-FAMILY STRUCTURE. THE PROPOSED CHANGE WILL NOT RESULT IN ANY ADDITIONAL DWELLING UNITS BEING ADDED TO THE RAVINES PUD, THE DWELLING UNIRECEIPTS BEING TRANSFERRED FROM OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES TO OFF SET THE MULTI-UNIT SET OF THE LODGE. SIX OF THE UNITS ARE TRANSFERRED FROM TWO PARCELS THAT WERE UTILIZED AS MULTI-FAMILY, TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS WERE NOT UTILIZED ON THOSE PARCELS. FOUR UNITS ARE RESULTING FROM THE CONSOLIDATION OF 5 VESTED LOTS INTO A SINGLE LOTS, THAT'S PARCEL 02-1877-08051 N. YOUR PACKETS I PROVIDED YOU A LETTER REGARDING THAT FROM INDICATING STATUS OF THOSE FOUR LOTS BEING [00:15:01] AVAILABLE AS PART OF THE 477 UNITS. AND THEN ONE UNIT RESULTING FROM THE CONSOLIDATION OF TWO VESTED LOTS AND THAT IS LOT 41 AND 42, WHICH ARE ADJACENT TO EACH THER. THIS IS NEW THAT DID YOU NOT HAVE YOUR LAST MEETING LAST MONTH. THIS CAME AND I PASSED IT OUT TO YOU. YOU HAVE IT AT YOUR SPOTS. IT CAME TODAY INDICATING THAT THE OWNER IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS CHANGE. IT OWNS THOSE TWO LOTS INTEND TO BE CONSOLIDATE THOSE INTO A SINGLE LOT FOR RESIDENTIAL UNICHIT MAKES AVAILABLE ONE LOT TO BE ADDED ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE 477 T TOTAL. >> THAT WOULD RESULT IN A TOTAL OF 11 RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE BEING TRANSFERRED AND NOT UTILIZED ELSE WHERE IN THE PUD TO THAT LOCATION. EXISTING USES INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED DWELLINGS TO THE EAST SOUTH AND CONDOMINIUM UNI-IT TO THE WEST MANY STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THAT THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ALLOWABLE USES AND THE REVACCINE'S PUD IS CAPABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS AND JUST ADD, IT WILL NOT INCREASE THE ALLOWABLE UNITS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNIKNITS THE PUD. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION PUD 21-02. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? >> ANY QUESTIONS? ANYTHING? OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY? NO. MR. BROWN, I HAVE ONE BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE DIRECTED MORE TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. WE HAVE, NOW LETTERS FROM SEVERAL PEOPLE INDICATING THEY'RE OKAY WITH ESSENTIALLY GIVING UP THEIR RIGHTS TO THESE L LOTS. DO WE NEED TO DO -- I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IN THE FUTURE IF SOMEBODY SOMEHOW SPLIT ONE OF THOSE LOTS BACK UP OR SOMETHING AND CAME IN AND TRIED TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT, OTHER THAN THE FACT WE WOULD TELL THEM THE RAVINES ARE BUILT OUT, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING TO OFFICIALLY RECORD THAT AS PART OF THEIR DEEDS OR ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE? I KNOW THEY'RE ALL AGREEABLE NOW, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. >> RIGHT. I THINK SHARICE CAN PROBABLY BACK ME UP ON THEIR SYSTEM, THOSE LITERS WILL BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF OUR MANAGEMENT SYSTEM SO THEY'LL BE TIED TO THE PROPERTY SO THEY'LL BE THERE SO WHEN PEOPLE COME TO LOOK THEY WON'T NEED TO BE RECORDED BECAUSE THEY COULD BE BUT IT'S NOT AN ACTUAL RECORDED DOCUMENT. >> SOMEBODY DID OWN ONE OF THESE COMBINED LOTS DECIDED TO SPLIT IT, AND TO PURCHASE FOR THE PART THAT IT WAS SPLIT OFF, SAID I'M BUYING TO IT BUILD A HOUSE ON THAT, WOULD NOT SHOW UP IN A TITLE SEARCH OR ANYTHING. >> WELL, ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT 4 OR 5 LOTS IS SPECIFIC ON THOSE DEEDS ALREADY THAT THEY CANNOT DEVELOP. THAT'S PROVIDED ON THOSE DEEDS. >> MY QUESTION IS, IN THE FUTURE IS, THIS GOING TO BE ADEQUATE THAT WE DON'T GET IN A MESS? >> WELL, I KNOW THAT WE HAD ASKED FOR THEM TO AT LEAST BE SIGNED AND NOTARIZED OR SOMETHING, NOT JUST -- I'M NOT SURE. I KNOW WITH RESPECT TO ONE PROPERTY OWNER IT'S IN THEIR DEED IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THEY CAN'T DEVELOP. THEY'RE LIMITED BY A CONSERVATION EASEMENT. WITH RESPECT TO THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER I'M NOT SURE OF THE FORM. >> YEAH. I JUST TO FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT COURTNEY IS SAYING IS WE WILL TRACK IT AND IT WOULD BE FLAGGED THAT NO PERMIT COULD BE ISSUED BOTH ON THE PARCEL PLUS THE TOTAL CAP OF 477 UNITS FOR THE ENTIRE PUD WOULD ALSO PREVENT FROM HAPPEN. >> AS COUNTY ATTORNEY YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS THE WAY SNITS. >> YES. >> OKAY. IS THE APPLICANT HERE FOR THIS ONE? THE APPLICANT. [00:20:03] YES. >> YES, SIR. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, AND BOARD MEMBERS, WE ARE KIND OF CONTINUE FROM LAST MONTH AND APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS YOU GAVE US. SO THAT'S WHAT WE DID IN THE LAST MONTH'S WAS SHORE UP THE ADDITIONAL LETTERS AND CONSERVATION EASEMENTS THAT HE FORWARDED TO MIKE AND COURTNEY AND THE OTHER LETTERS WE WERE SURE THERE ARE THE 10 OR 11 LOTS AVAILABLE AND THE LAST LOT REALIZED I'VE GOT TWO, IF I NS - COMBINE THESE TWO THAT'S MY LAST LOT. SO ALL THE LOTS ARE AVAILABLE LIKE I SAID THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON AT ONE. THE OTHER ONE IS USES THAT WERE MULTI-FAMILY THAT IS HELD BY RAVINE HOLDING AND THEY PLAN ON NOT DOING ANY DEVELOPMENT AND THE LAST ONE IS WIGGINS SO WE FELT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PROJECT IN THAT IT RENINVESTIGATES A DILAPIDATED STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN VACANT OVER TEN YEARS TO SOMETHING THAT'S POSITIVE IN THE AREA BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF HOUSING. IT WILL FIT IN, THE BUILDING NEXT FOR CONDOMINIUM EXACT SAME BUILDING WON'T LOOK ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE OUTSIDE. NOW THEY'LL BE RENOVATED LIKE THE ONES NEXT DOOR THAT ARE THE SAME STRUCTURE THAT ARE USED FOR MULTI-FAMILY DWELLINGS. IT'S REDUCING WHEN YOU HAD A SHORT STAY AT HOTEL THAT'S MORE INTENSE COMMERCIAL USE THAN MULTI-FAMILY RESTS DESHL SO WE FEEL IT'S CAPABLE WITH EVERYTHING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO WE ARE OPEN TO QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING YOU NEED. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HER? >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION ON MY PART, ARE THERE ANY STRUCTURES BEING CONSOLIDATED INTO THIS PROJECT THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED? >> THE ONE OF THE ONES WITH THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT THAT IS WITH DEP IT'S ONE STRUCTURE BUT USED TO HAVE 5 LOTS AND NOW COME HAVE ONE STRUCTURE ON THE 5 LOTS BECAUSE THE EASEMENTS THAT ARE WITH DEP AND THEN THE OTHER ONE THERE'S NOTHING ON THE TWO VACANT LOTS THAT WIGGINS OWNS AND THE LAST, THE SIX ARE THE UNITHAT IT IS WERE ORIGINALLY USED AS MULDTY FAMILY BUT ARE RAVINES HOLDING COMPANY SO THOSE ARE STRUCTURES BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE USED FOR GOLF COURSE TYPE USE ACCORDING TO THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY. HE HAS NO DESIRE TO MAKE IT MULTI-FAMILY IT. >> WON'T BE CONSIDERED AS LOTS ANYMORE? JUST ANCILLARY USES STUFF LIKE THAT. >> YES, SIR. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOTS. EITHER REDEVELOP SOME SORT OF GOLF COURSE USE IS WHAT HE'S INTENDING. >> NO OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE AT LEAST ONE CARD FOR. THIS I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. MA MARSHA WILLOUGHBY IS THIS THE ITEM YOU WANTED TO PEOPLE ON? >> MY MAKE IS MARSHA WILLOUGHBY IN THE RAVINES THE PROPERTY YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS MY PROPERTY. I WAS REALLY SURPRISED WHEN NEIGHBORS STARTED TELLING ME LAST MONTH, HEY, YOU'VE GIVEN OVER BUILDING RIGHTS TO WIGGINS CONSTRUCTION AND I'M LIKE NO, WE DIDN'T. NO WE HAVEN'T. THOSE WERE GIVEN AWAY TO THE DEVELOPER IN 2004, 2005 AND HE USED OUR OTHER FOUR LOST THE BUILDING RIGHTS ON THOSE LOTS. HE USED THEM. NOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT A LETTER HAS APPEARED FROM THE OLD DEVELOPER THAT I LIVED THERE, I WAS THERE. IF YOU TAKE THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT IT WAS ALLOWED AND THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT HE ACTUALLY BUILT, YOU WILL SEE THAT HE EXCEEDED THE AMOUNT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BUILD. THERE ARE NO FORWARD BUILDING RIGHTS TO HAVE. THERE NEVER HAVE BEEN. MR. WIGGINS HAS CONTACTED MY HUSBAND OFF AND ON FOR EIGHT YEARS, EITHER WANT TO GO BUY THEM OR GETTING THEM TO JUST GIVE THEM AWAY, OR HEY, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU JUST FORGOT ABOUT IT AND NOW I HEARD THAT YOU KNOW NOW NICK HAS SAID I NEVER BUILT IT, BUT HE DID AND THE PROOF IS IN COUNTY RECORDS. [00:25:06] THOSE FOUR BUILDING RIGHTS WERE USED LONG AGO. AND YOU'RE RIGHT. WE CHANGED IT. WE PUT IT UNDER ONE PARCEL BECAUSE WE WERE PAYING DUES ON 5 DIFFERENT LOTS. AND THE ONLY REASON NICK LET US DO IT WAS BECAUSE HE SAYS OH, CAN I BUILD FOUR MORE HOMES IN THE BACK AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID AND IT CAN BE PROVEN BY GOING THROUGH COUNTY RECORDS PUBLIC RECORDS BUT I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD NOT FORCE THAT. THERE ARE RESIDENTS IN THE RAVINES THAT DON'T WANT ANY MORE MULTI-FAMILY HOMES. WE DON'T HAVE THE ROADS TO SUSTAIN IT. THEY DON'T ADD VALUE TO AN ANYTHING, AND BASICALLYIA WAS PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS LAST MONTH WAS A FALSE STATEMENT. MY HUSBAND MORE I NEVER GAVE ANYTHING AWAY OR INDICATED THAT WE WOULD. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU MAKE A DECISION WHEN SOMEBODY'S INTENTIONLY, WELL, MISINFORMATION ANYWAY, UNTRUTH, BUT I JUST WANTED TO STRAIGHTEN THE RECORD ON OUR PROPERTY SINCE EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? YES, YOU'VE GOT A CARD? >> YES, SIR. >> YES, SIR, JAMES IDO, 2908 [INAUDIBLE] BOULEVARD I LIVE AROUND THE CORN FRERE THIS PROBLEM OVER HERE AND IT'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A LONG TIME AND THESE POOR FOLKS EVERYBODY SUFFERING OVER THIS 21821 INTERSECTION FOR YEARS NOW BUT Y'ALL SAY YOU NEED PUBLIC HOUSING, NO, JUST JOKING. BACK IN THE BACK OF THE RAVINE SOME PUBLIC HOUSING BUT HONESTLY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THAT PUBLIC HOUSING ACROSS THE STREET WHERE THERE IS PUBLIC HOUSING, BUT THEY HAD CAN'T WALK OVER THE BRIDGE. YOU GUYS ARE FINALLY FIXING THIS. >> MR. [INAUDIBLE] I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS PERTINENT TO THE ITEM. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDINGS IN THE BACK, THE VERY BACK THE LITTLE BITTY UNITS THAT KIND OF RUN TOGETHER LIKE CONDOS RIGHT ON TOP OF THE GOLF COURSE THAT'S FAILED, THE ORANGE COURSE GOLF COURSE THAT'S FAILED THAT IS A GOOD THING FOR KIDS, YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AND I KNOW EXACTLY ACROSS THE STREET THERE'S PUBLIC HOUSING THAT HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO WALK TO THE GROCERY STORES FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS THAT I'VE ALMOST LIVED HERE. THIS IS BAD PLANNING IN CLAY COUNTY. LET'S STOP IT ALTOGETHER. I'VE BEEN GOING TO MARION, COUNTY FLORIDA. THEY'RE FIX TO GO PUT A MORATORIUM BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET THE WATER THE WATER IS SO EXPENSIVE TO GET TO THEM. YOU GUYS JUST OPENED A WATER PLANT UP HERE. OKAY? THIS HAS GOT TO END, MAN WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS MESS IN MIDDLEBURG FOR YEARS NOW ON THIS ROAD. BEFORE THAT, WE SPENT A WHOLE BUNCH OF TIME ON THAT BRIDGE THERE. COME ON, FOLKS. I MEAN, I'M JOKING ABOUT PUTTING PUBLIC HOUSING IN THE ARE VACCINES BUT YOU GUYS SIT HERE AND PUSH THIS BUILDING FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS AND I WHOLEHEARTEDLY BELIEVE THIS LADY THAT THOSE LOTS ARE ALREADY SPOKEN FOR. IT'S OVERBUILT, PROBABLY. I JUST CAME DOWN SAND BRIDGE. LEAVE IT ALONE! YOU DIDN'T GET AN IMPACT FEE. WHERE'S THE THE MONEY? WE NEED TO GO TO TALLAHASSEE AND STRAIGHTEN SOME OF THESE THINGS OUT AROUND HERE. WE DON'T WANT A SIX MILLION DOLLARS BALLPARK. WE WANT TRAILS OVER THERE SO PEOPLE STOP GETTING HIT BY CARS. THERE IS NO SIDEWALKS OVER THERE WHERE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW AND YOU BUILT UP THAT WHOLE AREA ON 218 WITHOUT FIXING IT RIGHT AND PEOPLE ARE DYING ON THESE ROADS! AND YOU WANT TO ADD OUR TAXES OUR REAL ESTATE TAXES UP. I'VE BEEN GOING TO THESE [00:30:01] DISTRICT MEETINGS, DOUBLE THE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE SCHOOL, OPEN THE SCHOOL PARKS FOR THE KIDS AND MAKE IT IS A SAFE HAVEN. YOU GOT A MESS GOING ON HERE. YOU DON'T HAVE A JAIL THAT'S CONSTITUTIONAL. YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH THINGS DOWN THE ROAD. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. >> WE ARE GETTING WAY OFF TRACK. >> MR. OTTO. YOU'VE HAD YOUR TIME. PLEASE SIT DOWN. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. BUT ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I KNOW I HAVE ONE. >> I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW, SEEING SOME OF THE LETSERS THAT WERE WRITTEN AND NOW THIS WOMAN'S STATEMENT. I'M JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT WAS BUILT AND HAS ANYBODY ACTUALLY FIGURED THAT OUT YET. >> THIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ANYBODY? THAT'S I HAD THINK THE QUESTION THAT'S SITTING UP HERE NOW IS HOW, IF AT LEAST FOUR OF THESE WERE PREVIOUSLY USED ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER, HOW ARE THEY AVAILABLE NOW? >> BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT STAFF HAS, THE 4777 UNITS HAS NOT BEEN EXCEEDED WITHIN THE PUD. >> THAT'S WHAT WE KEY ON IS THAT MAXIMUM NUMBER THAT IT WAS ALLOWED WITHIN THE PUD WAS 477 UNITS AN THE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE THAT I HAVE AVAILABLE TO ME DOES NOT SHOW THAT THAT'S BEEN EXCEEDED. >> SO YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH AND COLLECTED THE PROPERTY RECORDS AND DID A COUNT OF DWELLINGS WITHIN THAT? >> YES. I'M NOT GOING TO SEE IT'S PERFECT BUT WE TRIED TO TRACK THEM SAY COME IN AND WE HAVE NOT EXCEEDED THAT 477 NUMBER. >> I THINK THE QUESTION I'M ASKING IS, AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, DID ANYBODY ON STAFF TAKE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH THAT PUD PARCEL NUMBER BY PARCEL NUMBER AND COUNT THEM? >> NOT SINCE IT'S COME IN. >> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN? >> YES. >> MY CONCERN IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD ON OR NOT. MY QUESTION RIGHT NOW IS THAT IF INDEED ALL THOSE PARCELS AND LOTS AND NUMBER OF DWELLINGS HAVE BEEN MET IF WE DO THIS AND IT EXCEEDS THAT NUMBER WHAT RAMIFICATIONS DO WE HAVE AGAINST THAT? THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> THERE WOULD BE NO ANY, IF IT EXCEEDS THE NUMBERS, WE WOULD NOT ISSUE A PERMIT FOR ANOTHER STRUCTURE BEYOND THAT 477 WITHOUT AN AMENDMENT TO THE PUD TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. >> HOW WOULD WE FIND THAT OUT? IS SOMEBODY GOING TO INVESTIGATE AND LOOK AT THE TAX RECORDS TO SEE IF TAXES ARE BEING COLLECTED ON 477 DWELLINGS? >> RIGHT. THAT'S HOW WE WOULD DO IT. WE TRACK PERMITS AS THEY COME IN AND THE INFORMATION WE HAVE DOES NOT SHOW THAT WE HAVE EXCEEDED THAT 477 UNI-IT. >> BUT THAT'S PERMITS. HAS ANYBODY CHECKED THE TAX RECORDS? THAT'S MY QUESTION BECAUSE A PERMIT MIGHT BE MISPLACED LOST HATEVER. THE TAX RECORDS I THINK WOULD BE A LITTLE BUILT MORE ACCURATE. >> WE HAVEN'T, STAFF HAS NOT CHECKED THE TAX RECORDS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, SO I TOO LIKE COMMISSIONER ANZALONE THINK THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT GOOD USE OF THE BUILDING. THE SAME CONCERN IS THE CONCERN I HAD LAST MONTH, DEVELOPMENTAL UNITS THERE. IS VALUE TO DEVELOPMENTAL UNITS AND THIS PANEL KNOWS THAT. AND SO THE HOME WORK LAST MONTH WAS TO GO BACK AND CONFIRM THAT THE DEVELOPMENTAL UNITS ARE AVAILABLE, NUMBER 1 AND THAT THE OWNERS OF THOSE UNITS AGREED TO TRANSFER THOSE TO THE APPLICANT. THERE'S NOW A QUESTION WHETHER THE DEVELOPMENTAL UNIRECEIPTS EVEN AVAILABLE. I WAS READY TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS WITH THE LETTERS THAT WE HAVE BUT NOW OBVIOUSLY MR [00:35:03] MRS. WILLOUGHBY BROUGHT CONCERNS SO THIS IS A WORTHWHILE PROJECT BUT THERE'S HOME WORK TO BE DONE. I WOULD LIKE PERSONALLY TO HAVE A COUNTDOWN ON HOW MANY GEM UNIRECEIPTS AVAILABLE AND HOW MANY EVERYBODY USED IN THE ENTIRE RAVINES AN I WOULD OFF TLAER WE CONSIDER TABLING THIS UNTIL NEXT MOVEMENT I KNOW THE APPLICANT MAY NOT BE HAPPY ABOUT THAT BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT BEFORE WE HAVE A VOTE EITHER WAY THAT WE ARE VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ALL THE FACTS ON AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THEM ALL YET. THANK. >> MR. CHAIR. >> MR. BEAU. >> I CONCUR, A SIMPLE SPREADSHEET WITH EVERYTHING ON THERE AS PART OF THE RECORD WOULD GO A LONG WAY IN THE FUTURE FOR ANSWERING QUESTIONS. >> AN ACTUAL PARCEL COUNT GET ATTACHED SOMEWHERE. I WANTED TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THIS BEFORE WE TAKE ANY ACTION HERE. I'M NOT SURE DID WE GET YOUR FAME AN AS DRESS? >> JANICE FLEET, [ADDRESS]. >> THANK YOU. >> WE DID AFTER OUR MEETING LAST MONTH WE DID GET THE EASEMENTEST PRESENTED THEM TO THE COUNTY WITH WHAT THE INFORMATION WAS. WE ALSO THEN THERE WAS A DISCUSSION WHETHER THESE WERE TRANSFERRED AND WE GOT THOSE IN FACT TO NICK WHO IT WAS THE OWNER AT THE TIME WHO SAID HE OWNED IT THAT, HE HAD NEVER -- HE TOOK THE LOT AND HE HAD NEVER USED THEM AND WAS TRANSFERRING THEM SO WE ARE WORKING ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE IN RESPONSE TO WHAT THE BOARD ASKED FOR. WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THOSE FOUR LOTS THAT THE CATS PAW PROPERTY, THE CATS PAW CANNOT BE BUILT ON BECAUSE OF DEP REQUIREMENTS AN THE EASEMENTS THAT EVERYBODY RECORDED ON THAT PROPERTY DIDN'T THEY GOT A COPY? YES, THAT WERE IN YOUR POCKET SO THOSE WERE NOT DEVELOPED AND YES THEY DID I GUESS GET TRANSFERRED TO RAVINE'S DEVELOPER BUT HE DID NOT USE THEM TO REPLAT OR DO ANYTHING TO USE THOSE LOTS. THAT IS WHY HE INCLUDED THAT LETTER. WE TEAM COMFORTABLE THOSE LOTS ARE AVAILABLE AND I DID WHEN I FIRST STARTED THIS PROCESS, WITH MR. WIGGINS, I DID GO LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE OVER THE YEARS I THINK CONSERVATION EASEMENTS THINGS LIKE THAT THERE, ARE OTHER LAND THAT HAS CONSERVATION TO BE BUILT ON YOU KNOW OVER THE YEARS ALSO WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE 70S AND THE 80S IN THE HISTORY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT BUT THERE WAS NOTHING THAT INDICATED ANY OF THE THINGS I REVIEWED AND DID I LOOK AT TAX PARCELS AND I'M NOT SAYING DID I TOTAL LEGAL. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I'M A PLANNER, BUT I DID GO LOOKING THROUGH THE TAX ROLLS WHERE ARE TRANSFERS I COULD FIGURE OUT. FIRST OF ALL WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE HOW MANY LOTS WE COULD GET AND WAS LOOKING FOR THAT TO SEE COULD WE GO TO THE 12, COULD HE ADD ON TO IT AND WE DID ALL THAT AN CAME TO THE 11 BECAUSE WE FELT THAT WAS THE PARCEL THAT HAD NEVER BEEN USED. SO I MEAN AND I SAY THAT I SPENT A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE VARY YUTS GOING THROUGH THE TAX ROLLS SEEING WHAT WAS PARCELS IN THE DEVELOPMENTS TRANSFERRED BACK AND FORTH. >> I'M GOING TO PROBABLY I I THINK SPEAK FOR THE BOARD THAT EVERYBODY WILL HAVE THEIR OPPORT OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S A KIND AFTER DERELICT BUILDING IN THERE AND WE KNOW THAT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING WITH IT. I NEEDS TO BE EVENTUALLY REPURPOSED OR TORN DOWN SO I'M NOT REAL COMFORTABLE WITH I'M CONFIDENT OR PRETTY SURE OR KIND OF IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU BACKED INTO THIS NUMBER. I THINK WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR FROM STAFF IS SOMEONE TO SIT DOWN AND DO AN ACTUAL COUNT IN THE RAVINES PUD AND TELL US HOW MANY AVAILABLE SPARE DEVELOPMENT UNIRECEIPTS THERE, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE LOTS IN THERE THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T BUILT ON. I'M NOT THAT FAMILIAR WITH THE [00:40:04] RAVINES THAT STILL HAVE A DEVELOPMENT UNIT SITTING ON THEM AND WE WANT TO BE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN THAT WE DON'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT A PROPERTY OWNER NOW OR IN THE FUTURE. SO, WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS IF YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH US CONTINUING THIS AGAIN TO NEXT MONTH TO ALLOW US TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. BECAUSE I THINK BACKS AGAINST THE WALL RIGHT NOW WE WOULD MOVING FORWARD. L COMFORTABLE - >> THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE MR. CHAIRMAN, WE DID NOT TOUCH ANY -- THERE ARE VACANT LOTS IN THE VIRGINIA VACC-- RAVINES. THE QUESTION IS THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS THAT WERE TRANSFERRED FROM MR. CATCH PAUL WHEN HE HAD THE LOT THE DEP EASEMENT, HE SENT A LET THERE SAID HE TRANSFERRED THEM TO WIGGINS. HE DID NOT SAY THAT HE BUILT ON THEM OR TRANSFERRED THEY HAD TO ANOTHER LOT. HE WOULD HAVE HAD TO TAKE THOSE FOUR REPLAT SOMETHING WITHIN THE RAVINE IN ORDER TO USE THOSE LOTS. AM I CORRECT MIKE? HE WOULD HAVE TAKEN THOSE FOUR AND CREATED FOUR MORE. >> I SEE MR. WIGGINS MANY JOE YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR NAME AN A DRESS. >> JOE WIGGINS [ADDRESS] GREEN COAST, FLORIDA. I JUST WANT TO SAY AS AN APPLICANT IT'S FRUSTRATING TO BE SENT TO GET INFORMATION. WE GOT WHAT WE WERE TASKED TO DO. BUT NOW BECAUSE SOMEONE IS MAKING AN ACCUSATION, WE ARE BEING DELAYED AGAIN. IT'S FIND TO TAILOR IT NEXT MONTH. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT MONTH SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING ELSE? AT A CERTAIN POINT YOU'VE GOT TO DRAW A LINE, IN MY OPINION. >> I THINK I SPEAK FOR THE BOARD WE AGREE WITH YOU AND WE FEEL BADLY ABOUT THE CONTINUANCES BUT HAVING BEEN MYSELF A MEMBER OF THIS PANEL QUITE A NUMBER OF YEARS THE RAVINES IS A SINKHOLE, NOT LITERALLY. I MEAN EVERY TIME WE GET INTO THE RAVINES IT TURNS INTO A PRETTY BIG DEBATE BOTH WAYS, WHICH IS PART OF WHY WE JUST WANT TO BE SURE ABOUT WHAT WE IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD THAT WE ARE CONFIDENT IN THAT RECOMMENDATION. >> IF I COULD MR. CHAIR, YOU KNOW ONE ALTERNATE WOULD BE THAT WE MOVE AN APPROVAL ON THIS PENDING A COUNT BY STAFF BEFORE IT GOES TO THE BCC. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE IF THEY'RE COUNTED AND CONFIRMED. I WOULD BE COMFORTABLE PUTTING A VOTE OUT IN PLACE NOW BUT WITHOUT THAT CONFIRMATION I WOULD HAVE TO TABLE IT. THAT'S JUST MY LOT TO. >> MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES. >> IF THE NUMBER DOES NOT COME UP TO GIVE YOU THE 11. LET'S SAY IT COMES UP TO 78, PICK A NUMBER. THEN WHAT? >> YOU WORK WITH 8. >> SO I THINK IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THAT TYPE OF RESOLUTION THAT CAVEAT SHOULD BE IN THERE AS WELL. >> AGREED. GIVE ME A SECOND. MR. GRAHAM. >> WOULD THAT BE OKAY FROM A PERSPECTIVE FOR US TO MOVE? WE HAVEN'T TAKEN A VOTE. BUT JUST ASSUMING WE COULD APPROVE THIS SOMEHOW CONDITIONALLY BECAUSE IN THE PAST IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN UP OR DOWN VOTE. >> YOU AS A COMMISSION BEFORE HAVE SENT THINGS WITH RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND I'M SURE IT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD WOULD APPRECIATE AND WOULD WANT TO BE CONFIRMED AS WELL. >> SO, SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, AND I CAN'T MAKE THE MOTION AS THE CHAIR BUT AS SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF MOVE THE STAFF REPORT WITH THE CAVEAT IN IT THAT THE 11 UNITS THAT, THE BUILDING COULD BE UP TO 11 UNITS BASED ON FINDINGS OF AVAILABILITY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> WELL RIGHT, BASED UPON A FINDING THAT IT DOES NOT EXCEED THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT UNITS THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED IN THE PUD. >> AND IF IT DOES? >> THEY'RE LIMITED BY THE NUMBER. >> THEY'RE DECREASED BY THE NUMBER ABOVE. >> RIGHT. LIMITED TO THE NUMBER THAT GETS YOU TO THAT LIMIT. >> TURN YOUR MIC ON. >> YES. [00:45:01] LIKE I SAID, TRIED TO PUT MY NAVY VOICE OUT THERE. THAT'S ULTIMATELY WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS CONDITION IT THAT WAY. >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIR, POINTED OF CLARIFICATION I'M HEARING THE NUMBER 11 BUT THE APPLICATION IS FOR 10 AT THIS POINT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. >> IT'S ACTUALLY FOR 11. >> YES. >> THERE IS NO APPLICATION. WE REDUCED IT UNTIL WE REALIZED WE HAD THOSE OTHER 2. ORIGINAL APPLICATION WAS 11. >> IT'S 11. >> IT'S BACK TO 11. THAT'S WHAT WE -- >> BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME SAYS 10. >> THE RECOMMENDATION SAYS 10 BUT ELSEWHERE I THINK THE ORDINANCE RIGHTS HERE SAYS 11 DWELLING UNI-IT. >> I THOUGHTS THAT WAS A MISTAKE. >> NO THAT'S CORRECT. IT WENT BACK AN FOTH A COUPLE TIMES BUT IT'S 11 NOW. >> OKAY THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND THE BOARD WE WERE WORKING TO THE NUMBER TO GET THE 477. WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S LIKE A SACRED NUMBER. >> I THINK WE KNOW HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED HERE. >> WE APPRECIATE IT. >> MR. BOURRÉ MOTION? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE MOVE THE STAFF REPORT, STAFF WILL NEED TO DO A FULL REVIEW OF THE RAVINES AN INSURE THAT THE UNITS DO NOT EXCEED THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENTAL UNITS WITHIN THE PUD AND IF IT DOES THE NUMBER WILL REDUCE DOWN TO THE AMOUNT ALLOWABLE BY THE DEVELOPMENT. >> OKAY. >> SIR. >> NOT TO EXCEED 11? >> I'LL TAKE THE FRIENDLY MEASUREMENT NOT TO EXCEED 11 DEVELOPMENTAL UNITS ADDED. >> ARE THESE JUST FOR THE GOLF COURSE? >> YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER. >> I'VE GOT A MOTION BY MR. BOURRÉ. AND A SECOND BY MR. NORTON. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR STATE AYE. OPPOSED. OKAY. CHRISTINE KEEP IN MIND THAT MR. GARRISON REACCUSED HIMSELF [2.  Public Hearing to Consider LDC 21-07 (M. Brown, Zoning Chief)] ON THAT VOTE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT PUBLIC HEARING. THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE LDC 21-07. IT IS TO AMEND ARTICLE III CONCERNING PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT AND MISS BROWN. >> I WILL RECUSE MYSELF. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION. THIS AGAIN IS A SOMEWHAT OF A CONTINUATION FROM TWO ITEMS YOU HAD LAST MONTH. THE APPLICANT BOURRÉ HOLDINGS AN THE AGENT IS ROGERS TOWERS, MR. WYMAN DUGGAN. THIS IS AN APPLICATION A PROPOSED TEXT AMENDMENT TO ARTICLE III SECOND 23 -- 33 PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT. AND PROPOSED CHANGE WOULD ADD CAMPGROUND R.V. PARK AS ALLOWABLE CONDITIONAL USE IN THE PUD ZONING DISTRICT. >> IT WOULD ALSO ADD THE WORDING TO THIS SECTION THAT IF THERE'S ANY DEVIATION FROM THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE PROVIDED IN SECTION 20.3-5 WHICH IS OUR CONDITIONAL USE ZONING SECTION IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THAT THOSE CHANGES WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED THROUGH THE PUD ZONING DISTRICT BECAUSE AS OF RIGHT NOW CONDITIONAL USE AS LONG AS YOU USE THOSE USES THEY'RE APPROVED OF CONDITIONAL USE. ANY DEVIATION FROM THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FORMALLY PROVIDED FOR IN THE PUD ZONING DISTRICT WHICH PROVIDES PROTECTION TO NOT ONLY THE COUNTY BUT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS ALSO, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE APPROVED THROUGH A PUBLIC HEARING. PRESENTLY, CAMPGROUND AN RECREATIONAL PARK IS ONLY ALLOWED IN THE PS-2 ZONING DISTRICT AS CONDITIONAL USE. AND THIS CHANGE WOULD ALLOW IT ALSO TO BE DONE AS A CONDITIONAL USE IN A PUD. THE CAMPGROUND RECREATIONAL PARK WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE CONDITIONAL USE SECTION OF 3-5N OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND [00:50:01] AS I INDICATED ABBREVIATION WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED IN ZONING. HERE UNDERLINED IN RED ARE THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. AND IT'S JUST ADDING CAMPGROUND AND RECREATIONAL PARK AND THE WORDING ABOUT ANY DEVIATION. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THIS APPLICATION AND BELIEVES THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE COPED AND THE COMP PLANNED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES AS IDENTIFIED ABOVE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT. >> ANY QUESTIONS. I KNOW YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST WEEK BILL. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I KNOW LAST MONTH WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS THE AG AND A.R. BOUT BECAUSE OF- THIS COMPLETELY EXXON RATES THAT. >> I JUST WANT CLARIFICATION ON THAT. >> THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT. >> I WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT'S THE CASE WHEN WE GO AHEAD AND HOPEFULLY APPROVE THERE ONE. >> OKAY. SINCE THE TECHNICALLY THE COUNTY IS THE APPLICANT ON A TEXT AMENDMENT THERE'S NO APPLICANT TO COME UP WITH THAT I HAVE NO CARDS ON THCHLTD I'M GOING TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >> YES, SIR. I WANT YOU TO BE CLEAR, YOU CAN TALK AGAINST OR FOR ADDING CAMP GROUNDS TO A PUD. IF YOU GET OFF THAT SUBJECT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU. >> JAMES OTTO, CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. THESE CAMP GROUNDS SHOULD DEFINITELY BE STAYING IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS WITH LIGHTING NOISE. REMEMBER THE DOCTOR'S INLET CAMPGROUND THAT THEY WANTED TO PUT IN. I DEFINITELY THINK THE PUD SHOULD BE STICKING ALL THAT NASTY STORAGE IN THERE BECAUSE OUT IN THE RURAL AREAS WE DON'T MIND OUR OWN STUFF AND THE NEIGHBOR'S STUFF BUT WE DON'T LOOK AT EVERYBODY'S STUFF STACKED TOGETHER LIKE YOU JUST APPROVED ON 218. YOU KNOW, THIS HAS GOT TO STOP. YOU GUYS ARE -- I MEAN, BEG THE PEOPLE TO GO BACK THERE AND WATCH THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A REALIZE OPENER IF YOU DON'T PAY ATTENTION TO THESE MEETINGS WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON HERE. A CAMPGROUND AND RECREATIONAL PARK IN A PUD, IS THIS LIKE A P.D. LIKE THE VILLAGES? LIKE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE DEVELOPMENT THERE. THE P.D., THE VILLAGES DOWN IN CENTRAL FLORIDA? I MEAN WHAT ARE YOU GUYS OPENING UP HERE? I MEAN COME ON. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR. BB ZONING. NOW YOU WANT TO STICK WHEREVER? AFTER THERE PANDEMIC, WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T COMING IN, YOU CAN'T EVEN ZOOM IN TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT AT THESE MEETINGS. I HAVE A OFFICIALS THAT AREN'T ZOOMING IN. >> SIT DOWN. I TOLD YOU I WAS GOING TO CUT YOU OFF THE YOU STARTED THAT. >> I'M STILL ON TRACK. >> SEPTEMBER DOWN, PLEASE S. THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO COMMENT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AN BRING IT BACK FOR A MOTION MANY KEEP IN MIND THE MOTION HERE SIMPLY ADD CAMP GROUNDS AS AN ALLOWABLE USE IN PUDS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> SECOND FROM MR. ANZALONE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MANY HEARING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVE OF THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION STATE AYE. [3.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-21-04 (Comm. Condon, District 4) (M. Brown, Zoning Chief)] OPPOSED. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NEXT HEARING. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REZONING APPLICATION S OF 2104. THIS IS REZONING OF 17 ACHERS FROM PS-2 TO AR. MR. BROWN. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, THE APPLICANT FOR THIS APPLICTION IS WILLIAM AND CYNTHIA HICKS. AS YOU INDICATED IT'S A PROPOSAL TO REZONE 17.52 ACHERS FROM PS-2 PRIVATE SERVICES TO A.R. AG RESIDENTIAL. [00:55:02] THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED 5066 BELLAMY ROPED AND THIS WILL GO TO THE BOARD AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NEXT TUESDAY ON SEPTEMBER 14TH FOR CONSIDERATION. IT'S A SINGLE PARCEL OF LAND LOCATED IN SOUTHWESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, RIGHT ON THE BORDER WITH PUTNAM COUNTY. THE PS-2 ZONING ACCORDING TO THE APPLICANT AND OWNER WAS PUT ON THERE BECAUSE AT ONE POINT THEY THOUGHT THEY MIGHT DO A RETREAT TYPE USE THERE. THAT DID NOT COME TO FRUITION. AND IT DOESN'T INTEND TO CONSIDER THAT ANYMORE. THAT IS THE REASON FOR THE REQUEST. THE PARCEL IS PRESENTLY UNDEVELOPED SHOWING THE SURROUNDING LOCATION AND I CAN TELL YOU BASED ON MY PERSONAL HISTORY THAT THAT PORTION OF PUTNAM COUNTY IS ALSO AGRICULTURAL. SO IT'S CAPABLE CHANGE TO GO A.R. OF THAT PARCEL, WOULD BE CAPABLE WITH THE LAND COMPLETELY AROUND IT EVEN IN PUTNAM COUNTY. >> OKAY. >> HERE'S AN AERIAL OF IT. AND REQUEST TO REP ZONE FROM PS-2 TO AR. THE PROPOSAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF GREUEL RESIDENTIAL. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AN DETERMINED THE APPLICATION IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMPOUND AND CAPABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF APPLICATION 21-04. >> THANK YOU MR. BROWN. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ONE? IS APPLICANT HERE? DO YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING? YOU'RE GOOD. >> WE ARE GOOD. >> WITH THAT, I'LL JUST OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM. SEEING NONE, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. AND ASK FOR A MOTION. >> MOST TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SECOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. OPPOSED. OKAY. THIS ONE COMES UP NEXT WEEK. >> YES. IT WILL GO TO THE BOARD NEXT WEEK. >> THE COUNTY COMMISSION WILL HAVE THIS ONE NEXT WEEK. OKAY. NUMBER 5, THIS IS -- I'M SORRY, [4.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-21-06 (Comm. Condon, District 4) (M. Brown, Zoning Chief)] NUMBER 4. PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION Z-2106, REZONING SINGLE PARTY FROM BA-2 TO BB-2. >> YES, MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION APGT IS NOEL THOMAS AGENT MR. BRENT MOORE. AS YOU INDICATED ZONING CHANGE FROM ZONING TO BB-2 COMMUNITY BUSINESS MANY PARCEL IS LOCATED 54460 COUNTY ROAD 218 AND THIS WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AT THEIR SEPTEMBER 28TH BOARD MEETING. THE PARCEL HATS A FUTURE LANCE USE DESIGNATION AS COMMERCIAL AND IS PRESENTLY UNGEFLD. THE EXISTING BA-2 ZONING DISTRICT PROVIDES FOR AREAS OF DEVELOPMENT FOR COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES AND TO FACILITATED CHANGES OF RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL USAGES CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION. HERE IS THE SURROUNDING ZONING. THERE IS BB-ZONING, DIRECTLY TO THE WEST. YOU HAVE BB 3 AND BA 2 TO THE SOUTH ACROSS COUNTY ROAD 218. AND TO THE EAST YOU HAVE BB ZONING AND AG RESIDENTIAL ZONING ACROSS ALONG LONGHORN ROAD. THERE'S AN AERIAL OF THE PARCEL IN QUESTION OUTLINED IN RED. IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF LONGHORN AND COUNTY ROAD 218. I'VE ALSO PROVIDED YOU A FUTURE LAND USE MAP WHICH SHOWS THERE IS COMMERCIAL IN THAT AREA SURROUNDING THIS PARCEL. WITH SOME RR RURAL RESIDENTIAL [01:00:02] DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM IT. FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A ZONING CHANGE FROM BA 2 TO BB 2 OR SINGLE PARCEL OF 2.71 ACRES. THE PROPOSED BB 2 ASSOCIATIONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADOPTED FUTURE USE CATEGORY OF COMMERCIAL. THE BB 2 IS CAPABLE WITH SURROUNDING ZONE AND FUTURE LAND USE. STAFF HATS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED IT'S CONTINUE STINT WITH THE GOALS AND POLICIES OF THE COMP PLAN. IT'S CAPABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING ZONING AND FUTURE LAND USE AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF APPLICATION 21-06. >> THANK YOU MR. BROWN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES MR. GARRISON. >> OBVIOUSLY YOU GUYS HAVE MET WITH THE APPLICANT. >> I DID NOT MEET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. I DID HAVE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE AGENT MR. MOORE. >> MY REAL QUESTION IS, ARE THEY FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CLAY HILL OVERLAY PLAN? >> I BELIEVE THEY ARE. I DID NOT HAVE THAT SPECIFIC -- >> OBVIOUSLY THAT PLAN IS NEAR AND DEAR TO MY HEART. I SPENT YEARS WORKING TO GET THAT PLAN IN PLACE AND I KNEW THIS STUFF WAS COMING DOWN THE PIKE. SURE ENOUGH HERE IT. >> ANY DEVELOP WILL HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT. >> IN THE APPLICANT IT SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT STEEL MORE ON THE BUILDING FOR AUTO PARTS. I KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS TO ME. THAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE CLAY OVERLAY PLAN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WHOEVER IS MAKING THE APPLICATION, SO IS THAT PERSON HERE OR THEIR AGENT? >> WE WILL GET THEM IN A MINUTE. >> SO AS THESE COME DOWN THE PIKE PLEASE Y'ALL BE DILIGENT IN MAKING SURE THEY KNOW THAT THERE'S A [INAUDIBLE] OVERLAY PLAN. >> ANYBODY ELSE? I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING WITH A LITTLE LESS PASSION. >> I SPENT MANY YEARS WORKING ON IT TO BE PASSIONATE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, SINCE I'M NEW TO THE BOARD, COULD YOU EXPLAIN A CLAY HILL OVERLAY? >> YOU WANT TO TAKE A SHOT AT IT? >> IT'S VERY SIMPLE. IT'S AN EFFORT TO IPS TUNT GUIDELINES FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE CLAY HILL AREA. IT FOLKS ON DESIGN LANDSCAPE AN OUTDOOR STORAGE. NEXT TIME YOU'RE OUGHT RUN DOWN 218 WEST AND WHEN YOU FIND AN AREA LOOKS LIKE A GIGANTIC JUNKYARD YOU'LL KNOW YOU'RE IN THAT AREA. BIT NEED TO COME IN AND ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO BRING IT DOWN TWLAMENTS THE PLAN WAS PUT INTO PLACE FOR. WE SPENT MULTIPLE YEARS WORKING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN AN WE FINALLY GOT IT AFTER LONG HARD BATTLES AND I'LL THANK MR. DAVIS FOR HIS MOTIVATING US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SORT OF THING BECAUSE GUIDELINES CREATE BETTER DEVELOPMENT IN THE LONG RUNNING. >> IT IS AN OVERLAY, WHICH MEANS THAT UNLIKE THE MASTER PLAN, IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ZONING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THE IT'S JUST IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUILD, IT'S BASICALLY BASED ON THE FLORIDA CRACKER STYLE OF ARCHITECTURE, HAD SOME LIGHTING GUIDELINES THAT KIND OF THING. YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF THE STUFF OUT THERE, OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T COMPLY BECAUSE IT PREDATES IT BUT ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL HAVE TO. >> IT'S AVAILABLE ON THE CLAY COUNTY WEB SITE. >> SO WITH THAT, LET ME ASK THE APPLICANT UP. CAN YOU COME UP? WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU. >> STARTS WITH YOUR NAME ANDRÉS. >> BRETT MORE [ADDRESS]. >> DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS ANY SPECIFICALLY COMMISSIONER GARRISON'S QUESTIONS? >> WERE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT? >> I HAVE RUN INTO IT. I DON'T THINK A STEEL BUILDING IS GOING TO ANYWAY NOT COMPLY WITH WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR OUT THERE. >> AS LONG AS IT'S DESIGNED TO REPLICATE ARCHITECTURAL GUIDELINES IT CAN'T BE A PLAIN OLD BUILDING. >> IN 2021 IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT FASHION A MORE TAR WORK AN LIGHTING. >> BELIEVE MY I LOVE THE IDEA WE ARE GETTING DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE CREATE SOME JOBS BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO, YOU'VE BEEN [01:05:02] OUT THERE OBVIOUSLY. THE THINGS TODAY WEST. >> NOT LOOKING TO HAVE ANYTHING LIKE THAT I'M LOOKING TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S, OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO BE A STEEL BUILDING BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BONES AND ON THE OUTSIDE YOU CAN SPRUCE THINGS UP EVERYTHING IS A RECTANGLE. >> YOU'LL BE A TREND SETTER OUT THERE. >> IT'S NOT SUPER HARD WITH ALL THE INTERNET PICTURES OF STUFF. >> VERY GOOD. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> I DON'T. >> OKAY. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY EITHER. >> THANK YOU GUYS MANY APPRECIATE IT. >> LET ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS ON THIS ONE. I'M SORRY. DO I? I'M SORRY. I DO HAVE. MR. MADDOCK. COME ON UP. [INAUDIBLE] >> MADDOX, JR., [ADDRESS] MIDDLEBURG. MY WIFE AND I LIVE NEXT TO THIS PROPERTY ON LONGHORN ROAD. MY CONCERN I GUESS IS A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH PAVEMENT AN INTERNET BUSINESS YOU'RE TRYING TO GET STUFF OUT AS QUICK AS YOU CAN. I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT -- SORRY. I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS. I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING OUTS MY BEDROOM WINDOW. MY BEDROOM WINDOW IS 30 FOOT FROM THIS PROPERTY. SO I'M GOING TO BE HEARING TRUCKS, CONSTRUCTION, WHATEVER ELSE GOING ON, EVEN AFTER INITIAL CONSTRUCTION ALL THAT. I'M GOING TO BE HEARING TRUCKS ALL TIMES OF THE NIGHT COMING IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT, ALL KIND OF LANGUAGE IF YOU WANT TO SAY GOING ON BECAUSE THAT'S JUST WHAT GOES ON THESE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTS. SO I GUESS THAT'S MY CONCERN IS THERE'S OTHER PLACES I GUESS THAT THIS COULD BE DONE THAT'S NOT IN THAT CLOSE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA. BUT THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS LOOKING AT A BIG STEEL BUILDING OUT MY BEDROOM WINDOW WITH PAVEMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE AROUND IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY OR HOW ELSE TO SAY IT. TO ME IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO BUILD FOLLOWUP COUNTY. I'VE BEEN HERE 17 YEARS AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT KIND OF STUFF, BUT WHEN YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT CLOSE TO YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN THAT AREA THAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT DOING THE SAME THING NIGHT AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY, WOULD YOU WANT A STEEL BUILDING 30 FOOT FROM YOUR BEDROOM WINDOW? THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? >> YES, SIR. JAMES OTTO. THE 2908 [INAUDIBLE] BOULEVARD. I ALMOST BOUGHT A HOUSE OUT THERE. IT'S A REALLY NEAT PLACE OUT THERE. BUT THE GROWTH IS WHAT WE GOT TO LOOK AT. THIS IS ON A CURB. IT'S RIGHTS BY AN AUTO PLACEMENT THERE WAS A JUNKYARD DOWN THE ROAD YOU APPROVED SOMETHING FOR. THIS IS A TWO LANE ROAD. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE DEATHS LIKE WE HAVE ON HIGHWAY 21. THE GROWTH IS OUTWEIGHING IT SO THESE MAPS ARE CRAZY. YOU GIVE A LITTLE BITTY SPOT. WE DON'T GET TO SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. SOME OF IT WE CAN'T EVEN READ. WHAT ABOUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES? YOU ARE GOING TO PUT A BIG BUILDING SOME DRIVEWAY CUT ALL THE TREES DOWN, CUT THE OXYGEN. WHAT ABOUT ALL THE DRAINAGE AND STUFF? THE CITIZENS HAVE NO CLUE HOW MUCH YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY APPROVED. THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. AND 218 YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT FIXING IT BUT YOU'RE ALL INTO 2/5 OF THE COUNTY THAT DIDN'T PAY THE IMPACT FEES. WE WANT OUR IMPACT FEES OUT IN THIS AREA. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE MOVING THERE UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT. WE WANT TO PAY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING F. YOU'RE WATCHING THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETING THEY'RE [01:10:03] SAYING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE SAY TAKE CARE OF US MANY WE ARE NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD ROADS FOR. I MEAN COME ON, FOLKS. LOOK AT THE AGENDA TODAY. THE DISTRICT MEETING FOR THIS AREA WAS IN KEYSTONE WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T GET THERE. >> OUR OFF TOPIC AGAIN. I WAS VERY LENIENT. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CHANGING ZONING ON THIS PARCEL. >> IF PEOPLE AT THE DISTRICT MEETING -- THEY WOULD BE IN THE MIDDLE. >> NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. >> OKAY. WELL, IT'S NOT TRANSPARENT. THESE BOYS ARE NOT TRANSPARENT. >> THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> YOU'LL MOVE APPROVAL. >> I SAID I'LL MOVE APPROVAL. >> I NEED A SECOND. >> I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. >> OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF REPORT AND A SECOND. GO AHEAD MR. BOURRÉ. >> OKAY. A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO MR. MADDOX, I THINK I SAID THAT WRONG. I APOLOGIZE. I SEE WHERE THE RESIDENCE THAT HE WAS REFERRING TO SO I WANTED TO TALK FOR A MINUTE, RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY SOENTD COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL. >> RIGHT. >> SO IT'S A BA 2 AND THEY'RE ASKING FO BB 2 COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OWNING. CAN YOU GIVE AS YOU COUPLE OF HIGHLIGHTS OF USAGE UNDER COMMERCIAL AN PROFESSIONAL? IT'S PROBABLY IN THERE BUT I WANT TO HAVE IT IN THE RECORD IF YOU DON'T MIND. LET'S RUN THROUGH THE LIST TOGETHER. >> THE BB 2 WILL ALLOW -- >> NO, WHAT I'M ASKING IS WHAT IS THE CURRENT ZONING. >> OH, THE BA 2. >> YES, SIR. >> THE BA 2 WILL ALLOW PROFESSIONAL OFFICES BOTH COMMERCIAL AND PROFESSIONAL OFFICES WITH A FLOOR SIZE OR GROSS FLOOR AREA HIM TO IT 2500 CUE SQUARE FEET BUILDING BUT IT WILL INCLUDE . . . OFFICES, REAL ESTATE TYPE USES. THOSE ARE THE USES LOUD PRESENTLYLY IN THE BA 2. >> A LOT OF TRAFFIC, PROBABLYLY VEHICULAR MORE THAN TRUCK PHOTOGRAPHIC IF THEY'RE TAKING AUTO PARTS. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT CAN YOU JUST TELL US, THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE BB 2, THE REQUESTED ZONING WAS, WOULD BE THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS ALONG THE BACK THEREFORE PARCEL? ALL SIDES WHERE IT ABUTS GLEN'S PROPE PROPERTY? >> THE REAR LOT LINE SETBACK IS A MINIMUM OF 20 FEET NOT TO EXCEED CONTRIBUTION NOT BE LESS THAN 25 FEET ADJACENT TO MULTI-OR SINGLE FAMILY, SO IF THE USE, THE EXISTING USE ALTHOUGH NORTH OF IT THE PARCEL IS ALSO BA 2, IF IT'S EXISTING RESIDENTIAL IT IS WILL HAVE AT LEAST 25 FEET SETBACK FROM WHERE THE BUILDING ON THE SUBJECT PARCEL WOULD BE, COULD NOT BE CLOSER THAN 25 FEET WITH THAT RESIDENTIAL USE ON THAT NORTHERN PARCEL. >> IS THERE ANY VISUAL BUFFER? >> THERE ARE. I JUST COULD NOT QUOTE THOSE TO YOU RIGHT NOW. >> BEFORE WE FINISH ANSWERING THAT QUESTION, CAN YOU PUT BACK UP THE MAP IN YOUR PRESENTATION THAT SHOWED THE SURROUNDING PARCELS? FUTURE LAND USE. >> THE RED IS COMMERCIAL ON THE THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP TODAY. THE PARCEL YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, IT HAS A COMMERCIAL ZONING ON IT AND IS ZONED BA 2 RIGHT NOW. >> THIS SHOWS THE ZONING AN IT [01:15:01] DOES HAVE BA 2 ZONING ON THE PARCEL. THIS MAP DOESN'T PULL OUT FAR ENOUGH. >> IT'S THOUGH IT'S BEING USED AS RESIDENTIAL. >> IT'S ZONED. >> ZONED COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. >> YES, I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT APPLICATION FOR THIS CORN IR. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED BY MR. MADDOX, THAT WE ARE ADHERING TO WHAT WE HAVE IN THAT AREA, SO I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> AND I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT WEST OF THIS PARCEL IS ZONE BB, WHICH IS THE MOST INTENSE USE WE CAN HAVE. I MEAN I KNOW IT'S BEING USED AS RESIDENTIAL RIGHT NOW, BUT SOMEONE COULD COME IN AND DO MUCH WORSE THAN THIS WAREHOUSE ON THAT PARCEL. >> THAT'S REILLY PART OF ME REASON FOR SUPPORTING IT. IT'S A RURAL AREA. EVERYBODY LOVES IT THAT WAY FOR A REASON BUT IT'S GOING TO DEVELOP. THESE NOTES HAVE BEEN COMMERCIAL SINCE THEY CREATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN '90 SO THOSE COMMERCIAL NOTES HAVE BEEN THERE FOREVER SO THE CLAY OVERLAY PLAY WAS AN ATTEMPT TO PUT GUIDELINES IN PLACE THERE ARE EX-TIRE GUIDELINES FENCING GUIDELINES TO MITIGATE SOME OF THIS GENTLEMAN'S CONCERNS. AND YOU KNOW IT IS WHAT IT IS IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL ZONING AN THE FUTURE LAND USE THAT'S THERE AND I HOPE THAT THIS GENTLEMAN'S BUSINESS WILL HELP ENHANCE THAT AREA. SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE THERE NOW DON'T SEEM TO CARE SO MUCH ABOUT WHAT THE COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE. I KNOW I TALKED TO SOME FOLKS ABOUT THAT TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES AND SO I'M GOING TO SPEAK I THINK TO THE BOARD OR RIGHT A LETTER TO THE COUNTY MANAGER. SOME OF THE STUFF THAT GOES UNCHECKED THERE APPARENTLY AS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ANOTHER PART OF THE COUNTY PEOPLE WOULD BE UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT AND IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS SO THAT'SY WANTS TO BE SURE THAT THIS APPLICANT IS AWARE THERE IS AN OVERLAY PLAN AND I WILL WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE COMPLAINING ABOUT IT IF IT'S NOT UP TO STANDARD. I PROMISE YOU. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES, MS. BRIDGEMAN. >> I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHETHER THE REAR LOT LINE SETBACK IS 20 OR 25 FEET. IS IT 20 OR 25? >> WELL, IT'S BOTH, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ADJACENT USE IS. IF THE ACTUAL USE NOT WITH THE ZONING. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION. IS IT THE USE OR THE ZONING? >> IT'S THE USE IN THIS CASE. >> SO MR. MADDOX WOULD HAVE 25? >> 25 FEET. THAT ANSWERS. BUT THEN THE VISUAL BARRIERS STUFF DOESN'T APPLY BECAUSE IT IS A COMMERCIAL LAND USE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION IMPORTANT MR. MADDOX. SIR, YOU MENTION THAT YOU HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR 17 YEARS, IS THAT CORRECT? DID YOU REALIZE HOW THIS WAS ZONED THE WHOLE TIME? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU. >> SO THAT GETS ON THE RECORD, THE GENTLEMAN ANSWERED NO. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> SORRY. DOESN'T GET IN THERE IF YOU'RE NOT AT THE MIKE. OKAY. ANYTHING FURTHER? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO SUPPORT THE STAFF REPORT, STATE AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. AND THIS ONE WAS ON THE 28TH IT [5.  Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application Z-21-08 (Comm. Condon, District 4) (M. Brown, Zoning Chief)] WILL BE AT THE BOARD AT THE BCC. NEXT PUBLIC HERING IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER APPLICATION Z-2108 AN APPLICATION TO REZONE 198 AND A HALF ACRES FROM AG TO PUBLIC OWNERSHIP PO 2. MR. BROWN. >> MR. CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT IN THIS CASE IS 1621 VENTURE 2 LLC, THE REQUEST IS TO REZONE 198.5 PLUS ACHERS FROM AGRICULTURE TO PO 2 WHICH IS PUBLIC OWNERSHIP LOCATED ON TEES SIDE OF BLANDING BOULEVARD NORTH OF STATE ROAD 16. THIS ONE WILL BE HEARD BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS NEXT TUESDAY ON SEPTEMBER 14TH. THIS IS A PORTION OF THREE PARCELS. THE PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED AND UTILIZED FOR AGRICULTURAL [01:20:05] PURPOSES. THE PURPOSE OF THE REZONING IS TO ALLOW FOR THE LOCATION AN DEVELOPMENT OF A COUNTY REGIONAL PARK AND SPORTS COMPLEX. SURROUNDING ZONING IS ALL AGRICULTURE. THE FUTURE LAND USE IS AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL. HERE'S AN AREA SHOWING AN OUTLINE ALMOST 200 ACRES. IT'S A GOOD CHUNK OF PROPERTY. AND FINDING AND RECOMMENDATIONS THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING REZONING FROM AG TO PO 2 FOR 198.5 ACRES AND AS AS I INDICATED EARLIER THE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR COUNTY TRIAGE NATURAL SPORTS COMPLEX. THE PO 2 ZONING DISTRICT IS THE ONLY ZONING DISTRICT THAT WILL ALLOW PUBLIC OWNERSHIP AND THE PROPOSED USE. AND PURSUANT TO SUBPAR GRAPH 39 B OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THE PO 2 ZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY OF AG RESIDENTIAL. STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND DETERMINED THE REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN IS CAPABLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF Z-21-08. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF AT THIS POINT? >> QUESTIONS? >> I THINK YOU HAD ONE. >> I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I DO HAVE ONE MYSELF. CAN YOU GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF LOGIC BEHIND WHY WE WOULD REZONE PARTS OF THREE PARCELS? I MEAN WE KEEP RUNNING INTO PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE HAVE PARCELS WITH SPLIT ZONING ON THEM. >> YES, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT STAFF ENJOYS TO DO, JUST FROM A PERSONAL STANDPOINT. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S WHAT -- AND I MAY HAVE TO DEFER TO THE COUNTY TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE PURCHASE, BUT IT'S WHAT THE COUNTY IS PURCHASING AND I DON'T KNOW HOW IT CAME UP WITH THOSE BOUNDARIES. >> RIGHT. SO IT'S PART OF 1621 OWNS ALL THE SURROUNDING AREA. SO THE COUNTY WAS IN NEED OF ACREAGE TO BUILD A PARK IN CONNECTION WITH A GRANT FROM THE STATE, AND IN CONNECTION WITH THAT THROUGH A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP 1621 CAME FORWARD AND IS PROPOSING AS PART OF THIS PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP TO SELL TO THE COUNTY THE 200 ACRES THAT THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED AND TO DEVELOP THE PARK OR A PORTION OF THE SPORTS COMPLEX. SO UP ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT WEEK IS THE COUNTY'S ACTUAL PURCHASE OF THOSE 200 ACHEERS >> AND AT THAT TIME IT WILL BE CARVED OUT AS A SEPARATE PARCEL. >> YES. >> SO AT SOME POINT IN BECOMES ITS OWN PARCEL? >> YES. >> OKAY. I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD. I GUESS COUNTY IS MORE OR LESS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS ONE. SO, I DON'T SEE AN APPLICANT. I DO HAVE ONE CARD ON THIS ONE I THINK. JACOB ALLERTON. >> [ADDRESS] I WAS UP HERE WHETHER WE WERE WANT TO GO REZONE THIS FOR RESIDENTIAL. >> JUST A SECOND I. I NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. PLEASE GO MR. ALLERTON. >> I WAS UP HERE WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO REZONE THIS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND NOW WE ARE GOING THIS ROUTE. THE ROADS HAVEN'T CHANGED. THE TRAFFIC IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. IT'S THE SAME SITUATION. I DON'T CARE IF YOU PUT A BALLPARK IN OR 200 HOMES, IT STILL CREATES THE SAME PROBLEM. WE HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY THERE AS OPPOSED TO BRINGING OTHER PEOPLE IN. WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO MAKE IT INTO A -- GREAT IDEA, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THOSE KIND OF SPORTS IN TYPICALLY THEY'RE NOT A ONE AND DONE KIND OF DEAL, SHOW UP AT 8:00 GONE BY 5:00. IT'S A WEEKEND DEAL. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO STAY? LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC. WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH SERVICES WITH IT. THAT'S MY KEFRNLT I'VE BEEN LONG-TIME RESIDENTS. I PURCHASED LAND BY KEYSTONE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THIS MESS AND HERE IT COMES RIGHT MY WAY SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE [01:25:03] ANSWER IS GET OUT OF THE COUNTY. I LOVE CLAY COUNTY BUT SAME TIME WE HAVE BEEN AROUND A COUPLE TIMES, HERE WE GO AGAIN. THANK. >> THANK YOU SIR. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? MR. OTTO. >> YES, SIR. JAMES OTTO, SEX TOYS OF CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, RIGHT DOWN THE STREET FROM THIS MESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. FOR HALF THE PRICE CAN YOU GET ON THE WATERFRONT OF GREEN COAST SPRINGS IF YOU'RE NOT MISTAKEN. WHAT A MESS MANY YOU'RE NOT MENTIONING THE PRICE TAG THAT $3 MILLION THAT THIS COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE WHEN IT NEEDS TO BUILD A JAIMD AND IF YOU DON'T GIVE ONE GRANT YOU GIVE A DIFFERENT GRANT SO IF YOU TAKE THIS ONE WHAT ARE YOU LOSING? MR. LONDON DID AN AWESOME PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT THIS COUNTY HAS AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS RIGHTS NOW. AGRICULTURAL. THIS WAS AN UNSOLICITED BID TO THE BOARD. THE BOARD DIDN'T ASKING FOR THIS AND THE BOARD IS NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. AND NEITHER ARE THE PEOPLE. WE SAID WE DIDN'T WANT FIELD OF DREAMS AND HERE COMES CLAY COUNTY AGAIN TRYING TO RAISE OUR TAX TO THE MAXIMUM SO THEY CAN GET THEIR WISH LIST. WELL YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS RIGHT DOWN FROM MY PROPERTY. MAN, MY PROPERTY WOULD JUST -- IT'S NOT RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE OUR ATTRACTS DONE OR DID TRAILS DONE FOR PEOPLE TO BE OFF THE ROAD. COME ON FOLKS. THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED BID. IT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE RIGHT NOW. I MEAN COME ON, MAN. YOU DON'T BUILD PARKS IN THE HIGH END OF THE ECONOMY. YOU BUILD PHLEGM IN THE LOAD END OF THE ECONOMY WHEN PEOPLE NEED THE WORK AND YOU CAN GIVE THEM THE WORK TOMORROW. ME THIS IS 06 OR I'M SORRY, YEAH, 06 RIGHT BEFORE 08. THIS MONEY TRAIN IS GOING TO END FOLKS. HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS MESS WE KEEP BEING PUSHED ON US? I DON'T COME TO THESE MEETINGS BECAUSE I ENJOY IT THAT MUCH. I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WOMAN GO KIDS DYING ON OUR STREETS. HIGHWAY 21 SHOULD BE FOUR LANE ROAD BEFORE YOU ADD ANY MORE TO THIS MESS MANY COME ON, PEOPLE. GIVE THE HEALTH WORKERS A BREAK. SLOW THE GROWTH, PUT A MORATORIUM ON IT. >> THANK YOU. >> UNBELIEVABLE. >> OKAY. COUNTY, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON IN? ANYTHING WANT TO ADD? OKAY. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE COUNTY IS GOING TO END YOU OWNING THIS PROPERTY, IS THAT RIGHT? >> CORRECT. >> SO IT WILL ESSENTIALLY BE REMOVED FROM THE POSSIBILITY OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. >> RIGHT. IT WILL BE A PARK. >> THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T SEE IN THE PACKAGE I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT, THIS IS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO CAMP BLANDING AND I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT THEY HAD PUT THEIR TWO CENTS IN ON THIS. >> IN THE DISCUSSION WITH CAMP BLANDING, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN THE BUFFER, THE CIRCLE OR THE BUFFER SO THE ISSUE OF THE LIGHTING FOR THE FIELDS WAS DISCUSSED WITH CAMP BLANDING AND CAMP BLANDING IS IN FAVOR OF EVERYTHING THIS AS OPPOSED TO RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL. >> OKAY. THAT WAS MY MAIN QUESTISE HAVE >> I WANTED JUST CLARIFICATION. THE COUNTY GOT A GRANT FROM THE STATE TO DO THIS? >> YES. SO THE COUNTY HAS A $3 MILLION GRANT WITH MATCHING GRANT SO WE ALSO HAVE TO PUT IN $3 MILLION SO THE ENTIRE PARK IS FOR $6 MILLION. >> AND WILL THIS BECOME A VENUE FOR SPORTING EVENTS? >> YES. >> OR IS IT JUST GOING TO BE A PARK FOR THE GENERAL POPULATION TO PUSH KIDS ON A SWING? >> IT'S A MULTI-PURPOSE SPORTS COMPLEX SO THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN HAS MULTI-USE FIELDS VOLLEYBALL COURTS VERY LARGE.OR LAKE, A DOG PARK WALKING TRAILS, RESTROOM FACILITY, PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW ALL WHICH OF ARE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE GRANT. >> COURTNEY WILL THE STATE, THE COUNTY BE ABLE TO GENERATE REVENUE FROM THIS? >> YES. IT'S BASICALLY TIED IN WITH YOUR OUR PARKS AN RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND TOURISM AND THE ECONOMIC DRIVE IS TO BRING TEAMS [01:30:04] SO YOU CAN HAVE TOURNAMENT. >> YES. I COACHED LIKE THAT FOR YEARS SO I KNOW THE PROCEDURE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. THE COMMENT THAT THE GENTLEMAN RAISED ABOUT ACCESS ROADS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THIS PARK SO IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE THE PARK. I WOULD ALSO ASK THE QUESTION WHAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT I FOR ROAD AND EVERYTHING ELSE? >> FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE WE BELIEVE THE STATE ROAD 21 IS SUFFICIENT TO HANDLE THE ACTION SAYS TO THE PARK. >> IS THAT SECTION BUYING WIDENED IT WILL BE; I KNOW. >> HOW FAR IS 16 FROM THAT? >> I THINK IT'S LESS THAN A MILE. >> IF YOU'RE GOING SOUTH ON 21, JUST ABOUT LESS THAN A MILE BEFORE YOU GET TO 16 THIS PROPERTY WILL BE ON THE EAST ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE OF THE ROAD. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL. >> THIS IS FITTING IN WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] FOR CAMP BLANDING. THANK. >> MY ONLY CONCERN WAS CAMP BLANDING. I ALWAYS GET WEATHER WHEN I HAD WE TALK ABOUT LIGHTING AROUND CAMP BLANDING. THEY REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THAT NIGHT SKY FOR TRAINING BUT IF THEY LOOK AT THIS AND THEY'RE OKAY WITH WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND. >> RIGHT AND FROM A NOISE STANDPOINT THAT WAS THEIR PRIMARY CONCERN THAT'S WHY THEY PREFER THIS. >> NOBODY CARES IF THEY'RE SHOOTING OFF THE HOWITZERS THAT WEEKEND. ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN TO A MOTION GUYS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> OKAY, MOTION TO APPROVE AND A SCOND. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, ALL IN FAVOR AYE? OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE COMMENT BECAUSE I HEAR THIS IN HERE A LOT. I PROBABLY SHOULD SAY IT TO END THE MEETING BUT I'M GOING TO SAY IT NOW. WE HEAR A LOT ABOUT WE HAVE TO STOP PEOPLE COMING IN HERE. NOBODY GETS TO BE THE LAST PERSON IN IS THE WAY IT WORKS, BECAUSE IF THEY DID, I WAS BORN IN THIS STATE WHEN THERE WERE TWO MILLION PEOPLE IN THIS STATE. SO, IF 20 MILLION OF YOU WANT TO GO HOME IT WOULD BE OKAY WITH ME BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. >> I'M NOT LEAVING. >> SO, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE FACT OF LIVING IN FLORIDA THAT WE CONTINUE TO GET NEW RESIDENTS HERE ALL THE TIME AND WE DO HAVE TO FIND SOMEWHERE TO PUT THEM. [6.  Proposed Property Rights Element as required by Florida Statute (D. Selig, Senior Planner)] >> LET'S KEEP MOVING. >> NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 6 WHICH IS THE PROPOSED PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT AS REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTE. DODI. >> I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION FOR YOU. I DO HAVE A SLIGHT APOLOGY. DONE REALIZE UNTIL AN HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING THAT YOU DIDN'T GET THE ACTUAL STATE STATUTE, THE HOUSE BILL IN YOUR PACKET. SO, I WILL PASS COPIES AROUND FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SEE THE LANGUAGE THAT IT WAS PART OF THAT BILL ITSELF. SO THIS, ITEM IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT AND IT IS COMING FORWARD, THE STAFF IS THE APPLICANT. THE IMPETUS IS THE HOUSE BILL 59 I JUST PASSED AROUND. YOU'LL FIND A SECTION. IT ACTUALLY BEGINS ON PAGE 3 AND 4 IS THE LANGUAGE THAT HAS SPURRED THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU. I'LL GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO READ THROUGH. ESSENTIALLY THIS IS A REQUIREMENT THAT PASS THROUGH LEGISLATION WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BECAME EFFECTIVE FIRST JULY AND IT REQUIRES ALL LOCAL GOVERNMENTS COUNTIES MUNICIPALITIES TO ADOPT A PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT AND WHILE GOVERNMENTS ARE LAN - ALLOWED BY THE BILL TO BE CREATIVE ON THEIR OWN IT HAS TO BE INCLUDE A MINIMUM OF FOUR [01:35:02] PROVISIONS AN THAT'S WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADOPT IS THAT REQUIREMENT OF THE BILL AND IT'S VERBATIM FROM THE BILL. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> THE ITEM WILL GO FOR THE BOARD. >> SO IS THIS SHALL MAY OR WILL? BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT NOTHING IS -- ANYWAY. THAT'S OFF THE POINT. >> IF I MAY MR. CHAIR, THE ONLY THING I'LL ADD TO THAT, I THINK IT'S GREAT THERE. BODY AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN JUDICIOUS PAINSTAKING SURE WE REVIEW AN CONSIDERING PROPERTY OWNERS' RIGHTS SO IT'S GREATS THIS IS COMING OUT BUT IT'S SOMETHING WE ARE ALREADY PRACTICING. >> ANYTHING FURTHER? MAKE A MOTION. WAIT A MINUTE. I GOT TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING. I DON'T OF CARDS ON THIS ONE. ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? SEEING NONE, TAKE A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> SECOND FOR MR. ANZALONE. PETE MADE THE MOTION? >> NO HE SECONDED. >> SORRY PETE. >> MR. NORTON MADE THE MOTION. >> THE STATUTE YOU HANDED OUT UNDER LINED IS THAT WHAT WE ARE APPROVING? >> JUST YOU'RE ONLY APPROVING THE ONCE ONES THAT ARE APPROVED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE REST OF THAT THAT'S THE HOUSE BILL. >> [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU. >> MR. >> I ACTUALLY THINK IT'S WORTH READING THOSE FOUR POINTS BECAUSE SO MANY TIMES FOLKS COME UP HERE AND WANT CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE OF THEIR PROPERTY BUT THEY WANT TO STEP OVER THE PROPERTY RIGHTS OF THE ACTUAL OWN THERE WANTS TO DO SOMETHING AND I THINK IT WARRANTS THE READING OF THEM SO PEOPLE QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. >> WANTS ME TO READ THESE INTO THE RECORD. >> YES, SIR. >> OKAY, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THE GOAL IS TO INSURE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE INCORPORATED IN DECISION-MAKING WITHIN CLAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND TO PROVIDE A FRAMEWORK FOR CONSIDERATION OF PROPERTY RIGHTS IN CLAY COUNTY DECISION-MAKING FOLLOW RIGHTS ENUMERATED, ONE IN THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWN TORE PHYSICALLY POSSESS AND CONTROL HIS OR HER MINUTE THE PROPERTY INCLUDING EASEMENTS LEASES OR MINERAL RIGHTS. 2, THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWN TORE USE MAINTAIN, DEVELOP AND IMPROVE HIS OR HER PROPERTY FOR PERSONAL USE OR FOR THE USE OF ANY OTHER PERSON SUBJECT TO STATE LAW AN LOCAL ORDINANCES, 3 THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWNER TO PRIVACY AND TO EXCLUDE OTHERS FROM THE PROPERTY, TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY -- I'M SORRY, LET ME READ THAT AGAIN THE RIGHT OF THE PROPERTY OWN TORE PRIVACY AND TO EXCLUDE OTHERS FROM THE PROPERTY TO PROTECT THE OWNER'S POSSESSIONS AN PROPERTY AND FOURTH, THE RIGHT OF A PROPERTY OWN TORE DISPOSE OF HIS OR HER PROPERTY THROUGH SALE OR GIFT. >> THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. >> AND THOSE ARE WHAT WE ARE ADDING TO THE COMP PLAN AS MR. BOURRÉ SAID. I THINK WE FOLLOWED THAT PRETTY OF ANY WAY KEEPING IN MIND THE PURPOSE OF ZONING AND PLANNING IS WHEN WE HAVE COMPETING PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT TRY TO FIND THE BALANCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO. WITH THAT, I THINK WE ARE READY. YES MR. DAVIS. >> I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT NUMBER 2 THE LAST FEW WORDS SUBJECTED TO STATE LAW AN LOCAL ORDINANCES, PEOPLE DO HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS, BUT WHAT THEY WANT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTIES CANNOT OR SHOULD NOT ENCROACH ON THOSE NEXT DOOR OR WHATEVER ELSE, IN OTHER WORDS, I WOULD HATE TO SEE SOMEBODY COME IN NEXT TO MY HOUSE AN SAY I'M GOING TO PUT IN A BAR AND I HAVE A RIGHT TO DO IT BECAUSE THE ORDINANCE SAYS SO. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S SAYING. I'M JUST EMPHASIZEING THE POINT. IT'S SUBJECT STATE LAW AND LOCAL ORDINANCES. SO CONTROL REMAINS AT THE LEVEL OF THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE. >> PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED MOTTO. I'LL TAKE A MOTION. [7.  Public Hearing to consider transmittal of CPA 2021-11 to change the future land use designation of multiple parcels from Lake Asbury Master Planned Community, Rural Community and Commercial to Lake Asbury Village Center and from Lake Asbury Village Center to Lake Asbury Master Planned Community and a text amendment to the Lake Asbury Future Land Use Element, Policy 1.4.10.(Comm. Burke, District 5) (D. Selig, Senior Planner)] ALL IN FAVOR I. OPPOSED, NONE. NEXT ITEM, NUMBER 7 TUB HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITSAL WHICH I THINK WHAT IS EVERYBODY IS STILL HERE FOR, THANKS FOR STAYING WITH US, BY THE WAY. IT GETS A LITTLE LATE HERE SOMETIMES. A PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER TRANSMITTAL OF CPA 2021-11 TO CHANGE THE FUTURE LAND USE [01:40:06] DESIGNATION OF MULTIPLE PARCELS FROM LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY RURAL KMEENT AND COMMERCIAL TO LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER AND FROM LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER TO LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY AND TEXT AMENDMENT TO PUT LAND USE DEVELOPMENT TO COMPLETE ALL OF THAT. >> I'M GOING TO RECUSE BASED ON THE ADVICE OF COUNTY ATTORNEY I RECUSE MYSELF FROM DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. KRISTINE WILL NOTE THAT IN THE MINUTES. GO AHEAD DODI. >> I'M SORRY. DID YOU MENTION THAT THE 28TH I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T WANT TO REPEAT IT. THIS ITEM WILL BE MOVING TO THE BOARD FOR ITS APPROVAL ON SEPTEMBER 28TH. THE COUNTY SPECIFICALLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SERVICES IS THE APPLICANT. THIS ITEM IS PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH TWO LOCAL VILLAGE CENTER AREAS, THESE ARE BOTH ON SAND RIDGE ROAD. THE PLANNED DISTRICT IS ASBURY PARKS AND [INAUDIBLE] SPRINGS AND THIS IS DISTRICT A WHICH IS COMMISSIONER BURKE. BACKGROUND ON THIS ABOUT PURPOSE. VILLAGE CENTER DESIGNATION, HAS SEVERAL REASONS FOR BEING ONE IS REDUCING SPRAWL AND THE PORTIONS IN QUOTE ARE FROM THE ACTUAL LAND UCL ELEMENT FROM THE MASTER PLAN. I WON'T READ ALL OF THOSE TO YOU BUT CAN YOU SEE THEM UP ON THE SCREEN. ANOTHER USE OR REASON IS PROVIDING COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE AREAS THAT WOULD SUPPORT SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND ALSO TO REDUCE TRAVEL TIME FOR RESIDENTS TO ACCESS COMMERCIAL USES OR REACH THEIR EMPLOYMENT. THE VILLAGE CENTER IS SUPPOSED TO BE A VILLAGE CENTER AND IT SHOULD SERVE THOSE SURROUNDING RESIDENTIAL USES. SO, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THIS TOPIC THIS EVENING IS THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA. THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY CONSTRUCTION HAS SPURRED INTEREST IN DEVELOPMENT ALL THROUGH ITS LENGTH. THE SAND RIDGE ROAD THE COUNTY 209 WIDENING AND TRAFFIC SIGNALS IN THE INTERSECTION ARE TRIGGERING INTEREST AND THERE IS CONSIDERABLE PENDING PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AND I KNOW WHEN YOU DRIVE ON THOSE STREETS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN OUT THERE A NUMBER OF TIMES, IT IS TREED, IT'S SMALLER HOUSING BUT YOU SEE SOME OF THAT DEVELOP ALREADY, THE COMMERCIAL, MOST ON SAND RIDGE RIGHT NOW. WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IS THE MASTER PLAN. YOU CAN'T SEE THE PLANNING IS PENDING THAT HASN'T COME YET BUT IS OUT THERE. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GIVE YOU BACKGROUND ON SO YOU HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHY ADDITIONAL VILLAGE COMMERCIAL MIGHT BE NECESSARY BECAUSE WE ARE TAKING STAFF LONGER VIEW SO THESE ARE LISTS OF PENDING EITHER IN REVIEW UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR APPROVED BUT NOT YET STARTED CONSTRUCTION POTENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. MOST OF THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY DEATTACHED BUT THERE'S MULTI-FAMILY IN THERE AS WELL. AND THE SARATOGA SPRINGS DRI WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AS A MATTER OF FACT NEXT MONTH I BELIEVE YOU'LL BE HEARING THAT ONE SO THOSE NUMBERS MAY BE REVISED SLIGHTLY BUT YOU ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 9 TOWN AND 10 TOWN RESIDENTIAL UNITS WHICH IS A VERY LARGE NUMBER. SO HERE IS OUR FIRST DOUBLE BLUE LINE AND SAND RIDGE IS THE WHITE LINE THROUGH THE MIDDLE. WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO VILLAGE CENTERS, THE FIRST ONE IS HERE EX-FROM EXPRESSWAY AND SAND [01:45:06] RIDGE ROAD AND THE SECOND ONE IS SAND RIDGE AND 209 RUSSELL ROAD. I TRIED TO LOW DATE WHERE SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE IN RELATION TO THE LAND. FUTURE LAND USE ON THE LEFT, ZONING DISTRICTS ON THE RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. PULL THIS DOWN. YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT MAP A LITTLE BETTER. THE PARCELS THAT ARE INVOLVED I HAVE A BLOW UP FOR EACH OF THE TWO DISTRICTS SOFT WE CAN LOOK AT THEM ONE AT A TIME. THIS IS VILLAGE CENTER SITE ONE THERE. ARE FIVE PARCELS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO CHANGE FROM VILLAGE CENTER TO MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. SORRY. >> THE ONES YOU'RE PLANNING ON MASTER PLAN ARE IN GREEN. >> YES. THAT'S UNDER THE FIRST COAST EXPRESSWAY SO IT WILL NEVER HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE MOM OF PARCELS. YOU NOTICE WE HAVE SPLIT ZONING OR SPLIT FUTURE LAND USE SO ONE OF OUR POINTS WAS TO IDENTIFY PARCELS THAT WITHIN THE VILLAGE CENTER AREAS THAT HAVE THAT SPLIT AND TRUE UP LINES. SO YOU HAVE PARCEL THAT HAS ONLY ONE FUTURE LAND USE WOULD BE THE GOAL. WE TRIED TO TAKE A LINE ACROSS THAT WAS A LOGICAL BOUNDARY. THERE'S LARGE PIT RIGHT HERE. SO THE LINE IS NOT COMPLETELY ARBITRARY. WE ARE TRANSFERRING FROM THIS AREA TO THIS AREA. THIS PARCEL AND THIS PARCEL AND THE ONE AT THE TOP HAS A FREPG MEANT OF THE VILLAGE CENTER AS WELL. AT THE OTHER CENTER EAST END OF SAND RIDGE ROAD, WE HAVE PARCELS THAT ARE PROPOSING TO BE CHANGED FROM MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY TO VILLAGE CENTER, ONE PARCEL FROM COMMERCIAL TO VILLAGE CENTER. AN EVEN TYPIER FRAG MEANT IN THE CORNER. SO THAT'S THE OTHER TWO PARCELS THAT ARE PART OF THE 5. >> AND WHEN IT COMES TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TOWN HOMES IT'S THE SAME DENSITY AS THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. [01:50:14] >> THE INTENT THERE IS TO PROVIDE AN INCENTIVE FOR CLUSTERING AND PROVIDING MORE DENSITY IN ONE AREA BE PRESERVING LAND AS CONSERVATION LAND THAT CANNOT BE BUILT. >> THE OTHER I COULDN'T TEAR YEAH HAS TO DO WITH ENVIRONMENTLY SENSITIVE LANDS SO APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE AND HAVE TO HAVE LIKE AN ENDANGERED PEACER OR THREATENED SPECIES OR VEGETATION LIKE THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CASE ON THESE INDIVIDUAL PARCELS. I WON'T SAY NEVER. SO, IT IS I'LL SAY UNLIKELY THAT THE DENSITY WOULD FALL UNDER THAT MAXIMUM. THERE WAS SOME QUESTION ABOUT THAT TO STAFF EARLIER TODAY. BUT I THINK THAT'S NOT A LIKELY SCENARIO. IN ADDITION, THE VILLAGE CENTER LAND USE HAS A REQUIREMENT AND IT'S INTENDED TO BE SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE BUT THERE'S A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF CERTAIN USES AN MAXIMUM FOR THOSE USES AN THAT IS OVER THE VILLAGE CENTER AS A WHOLE. IT'S NOT PER PARCEL BUT AS EACH VILLAGE CENTER DEVELOPS IT HAS TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF . . . MAXIMUM OF 25 OFFICE AND 65 COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL. THERE'S NO MAXIMUM FOR CIVIC USES. VILLAGE ATTEND CENTERS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO RURAL COMMUNITY ARE LIMITED TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS PARKS AND RURAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT WITH INDIVIDUAL BUILDINGS TOTAL BUILDING AREA NOT TO EXCEED 16,000 SQUARE FEET. THAT WOULD FALL INTO PLAY IN THE SECOND VILLAGE CENTER AREA WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING SOME OF THOSE RURAL COMMUNITY PARCELS TO CHANGE BUT THEIR ADJACENT TO OTHER RURAL COMMUNITIES SO THAT THESE LIMITS WOULD BE APPLICABLE THERE ON SOME OF THOSE PARCELS IN THE ADDITION TO THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE CHANGES THERE'S A PROPOSED TEXT CHANGE. WHEN WE STARTED THIS ANALYSIS THERE ARE ACTUALLY AT THE PRESENT TIME EIGHT VILLAGE TEN CERTIFICATES THROUGHOUT THE LAKE ASBURY MASTER PLAN WITH A POSSIBILITY OF 10 AND THEY'RE LIMITED AT 75 ACRES FOR EACH OF THE 10, WHICH GIVES YOU A CUMULATIVE AFLOAT OF 750 ACRES BUT THAT WAS NOT ACTUALLY ADDRESSED OR CALLED OUT IN THE PLAN. SO WE ARE PROPOSING TO ADD THE CUMULATIVE TOTAL OF 750 AND NOT CHANGE IT BUT SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY IT. BUT WE ARE SUGGESTING RAISING THE 7 A ACHE DOORS A HUNDRED ACRES FOR A SINGLE VILLAGE CENTER WITHIN THE ASBURY PLAN AN ACCEPTING VEHICLE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY IN ADDITION TO SCHOOLS AND PLANS, THE REASON BEING SOME OF THESE VILLAGE AREAS ARE VERY SMALL. WE HAVE ONE THAT'S ONLY TWO PARCELS AN SIX ACRES AND HAS DEVELOPMENT ALL AROUND IT. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 75 ACRES IN SIZE. SO WE FELT REALLY THAT HUNDRED ACHE WARES SUITABLE FOR SERVING AS A KNOW IN RESIDENTIAL AREA AN USES AROUND IT. JUST BACK UP SLIGHTLY. JUST TO POINT OUT, RIGHT NOW OVER ON HENLEY THERE'S A GROCERY [01:55:02] STORE AND A GAS STATION AND THOSE ARE REALLY THE I BELIEVE THAT'S THE ONLY GROCERY STORE IN THE AREA. AS THESE HOUSES ALL BUILD IN AND THESE RESIDENTS ARRIVED THE REASON WE ARE FOCUSING ON THESE TWO VILLAGE CENTER A IS BECAUSE THERE IS WHERE WE ARE SEEING MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT. BUT AS THEY'RE TRAVELING THROUGH HERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAVING TO REACH THE OTHER END OF SAND RIDGE OR HEAD NORTH UP TO BLANDING OR BACK SOUTH ON RUSSELL IN ORDER TO HIT THOSE THINGS WE ALL NEED SO THE GROCERY STORE THE GAS STATION PHARMACY WHAT HAVE YOU AND THE WHOLE POINT OF REDUCING URBAN SPRAWL AN TRYING TO CREATE THESE VILLAGE CENTERS IS TO BRING THOSE USES INTO THE CENTER NODE AREAS. SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD REALIGN AN EXPAND THE USE DESIGNATION CHANGING 11 PARCELS FROM . . . THE PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE AN TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GOALS OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAPABLE WITH SURROUNDING USES AN DOES NOT PROMOTE URBAN SPRAWL AN STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TRANSMITTAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL THIS MORNING FROM ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS SO I'LL READ THAT INTO THE RECORD TO FOR YOU. THIS IS FROM MR. GREG BARWICK. HE OWNS THE COMMERCIAL PARCEL ON THE CORNER OF 2079 AND RUSSELL. HE SAYS, I OWN TWO PROPERTIES AT THE INTERSECTION OF RUSSELL ROAD AND I AM AGAINST CHANGING THE USES TO LAKE ASBURY CENTER. [READING] THE PROBLEM FOR ALL RESIDENTS ON -- THE RED LIGHT THAT WAS PUT UP AT SAND RIDGE AN RUSSELL INTERSECTION IS ADDED FOR THE PROBLEM FOR ALL RESIDENTS. SOON AFTER RECEIVING A LET H LETTER . . . I HAVE HAD PEOPLE TO BUY MY PROPERTIES AT WHAT I WOULD SEE AS OVERPRICED. THE BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPE AND WILDLIFE IN THIS AREA IS BEING DESTROYED FOR GREED. MYSELF AND OTHERS WHO ARE TAXPAYERS ARE DEBT DEAD SET AGAINST THE PROPOSED LAKE ASBURY CHANGE. QUESTIONS FROM STAFF. >> I HAVE QUESTION. >> I HAVE A WHOLE SERIES OF QUESTIONS. CAN YOU PUT THE MAP UP THAT SHOWED THE NUMBERS FOR THE DEVELOPMENTS? HAVE THEY ALL BEEN APPROVES? >> THESE ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN REVIEW BUT THEY'VE ALL COME TO US ACTIVELY. >> OKAY. MR. CHAIR. >> CAN I ASK ONE? >> I REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE. BECAUSE I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE. I NEED THE PICTURE BACK. THAT'S GOOD THERE. VILLAGE CENTER 2. LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE TRYING TO FOLLOW EXISTING PROPERTY LINES. IN VILLAGE CENTER 2 ARE WE LEAVING AN ARC OF LAND INTO ONE PARCEL THERE? >> CAN YOU ORIENT ME? >> RIGHT THERE. >> YES, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THAT. IT'S EXISTING. THOSE ARE BOTH OWNED BY [02:00:01] DEVELOPMENT COMPANIES SO A LOT OF THE NORTH IS KB HOMES AND THE ONE ON THE SOUTH IS DR HORTON. WHETHER THEY'LL UTILIZE THAT, PROBABLY NOT, THE PIECE ON THE NORTH BUT WE HAVEN'T APPROACHED THEM ABOUT DID THEY WANT TO GIVE THAT UP. THAT WASN'T REALLY PART OF OUR GOAL TO ASK THEM TO DO THAT WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM THE ROADWAY THAT WAS WITHOUT SOMETHING WOULD NEVER BE UTILIZED. >> BECAUSE IF THEY END UP BUILDING HOUSES IN THERE THAT EATS UP SOME OF THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF THE VILLAGE CENTER IF THEY PUT IT IN THAT SECTION. >> ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD MR. BOURRÉ. P>> THANK I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION. JUST RUNNING THROUGH THE PACKET, WE HAVE 52.74 ACRES GOING FROM MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY TO VILLAGE CENTER AND WE'VE 17.13 ACRES OF VILLAGE CENTER GOING TO MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY. HAVE ALL THOSE RESIDENTS BEEN NOTIFIED NO. >> ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE SENT LETTERS 30 DAYS PRIOR TO THE MEETING YES. YES WE DID SEND THEM. >> I'M ASSUMING THAT IS WHY WE HAVE PARTICIPATION HERE TONIGHT. SO SAND RIDGE AND THE OUTER BELTWAY. I DRIVE THESE ROADS ALL THE >> I CAN'T REMEMBER IF THERE IS AN ON OR OFF RAMP AT THE INTERCHANGE.E HAVE A VILLAGE CENTER BUT THERE IS NO OFFRAMP ON THE OUTER BELTWAY TO FEED IT. INTERESTING. WE DON'T DEAL ROSE WITHIN THIS BODY WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ISSUES. YOU HAVE ADDRESSED MY ISSUES THANK YOU. >> I WILL LISTEN TO PUBLIC PCOMMENT. THANK YOU. >> I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING I DO HAVE SEVERAL CARDS WE DO ASK YOU TO JUST IF YOU WAITED A WHILE I'M NOT GOING TO BE REAL STRICT ON THIS BUT WE TRY TO LIMIT IT TO THREE MINUTES IF YOU GET TO THAT POINT IF YOU COULD WRAP UP WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT I WILL JUST START IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER CHARLES VAHE EDEMA AND JUST FOR OUR EDIFICATION PURPOSES WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WOULD YOU TELL US IF ONE IS AFFECTED BY THIS OR ARE YOU JUST NEARBY? >> MY NAME IS CHARLES VAN ADAM I LIVE OFF OF COUNTY ROAD 209B. MY DESIRE AS FAR AS A LONGTIME RESIDENT IT JUST DIDN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF CANCER BROKE 209 I KNOW THEY PLAN ON DEVELOPMENT RIGHT THERE ON THE EAST SIDE WHERE I AM AT ON COUNTY ROAD 209B WHICH IS LIKE A RESIDENTIAL AREA I KNOW THEY PLAN ON DOING THIS TOWN CENTER, WE HAVE A LOT OF PETS OVER THERE, A LOT OF DEER, A LOT OF THINGS OVER THERE ON COUNTY ROAD 209B AND ALL OF THE STRUCTURE GOING IN I UNDERSTAND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ROADS SO WHAT I HAVE UNDERSTOOD COUNTY ROAD 209, YOU GUYS HAVE PUT 10,000 HOMES IN THAT AREA. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES GOING ON WITH THE ROADS AND THEY PUT A TRAFFIC LIGHT OVER THERE. TWO WEEKS TIME WE HAVE HAD THREE ACCIDENTS RIGHT THERE AT THAT TRAFFIC MIGHT SO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON OVER THERE ON COUNTY ROAD 209 AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS [02:05:06] OVER THERE. THANK YOU. >> BEFORE I CALL THE NEXT PERSON WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT? >> VILLAGE CENTER. >> THE VILLAGE CENTER. OKAY. >> SORRY. THAT TERM IS USED ELSEWHERE IN SOME OF OUR STUFF AND I WANTED TO CLARIFY. CHRIS, CHRISTIAN OR CHRISTINA. [INDISCERNIBLE] CLOSE ENOUGH I HOPE. >> 1787 COUNTY ROAD 209B. I DON'T OWN ANY OF THE PROPERTIES BUT IT DOES AFFECT ME EVERY DAY WHEN I HAVE TO DRIVE BY SO I BELIEVE VILLAGE CENTER LAND IS THE MOST IRRESPONSIBLE LAND-USE MIXED ZONING SOUNDS GOOD IN THEORY IT REMOVES THE TAX PLAYER AND VILLAGE CENTER LAND-USE ALLOWS FOR COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS TO BE BUILT WHEN WILL THAT CHANGE OUR ÃINTO AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT PERHAPS BETWEEN 10 AND 16 HOMES PER ACRE IS REASON OF THE VULTURE DIRECTORS HAVE BEEN CONTACTING PROPERTY OWNERS CURRENTLY IN VILLAGE CENTER NUMBER FIVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE 20 HOME SO WITH THE ADDITIONAL ACREAGE THAT THEY WANT TO ADD THE EXTRA 25 AND WE WILL END UP WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES ON TOP OF THE 10,000 ALREADY ALL CONCENTRATED ON THAT LITTLE CORNER THAT FLOODS PLANNING OF THE DEVELOPER OF CROSS CREEK SUBDIVISION CREATED MASSIVE FLOODING AND THE COUNTY HAS TO RESOLVE THIS USING TAXPAYER MONEY THIS COUNTY REVIEWED AND APPROVED THIS PLAN AND RELINQUISHED THE DEVELOPERS RESPONSIBILITY. EXPANSION WILL CREATE A CONCRETE JUNGLE THAT WILL PUSH FLOODWATERS TO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS AND ISSUES THAT WERE CAUSED DUE TO THE HAPHAZARDLY DECLARED PLANS. I UNDERSTAND SOME DEVELOPMENT MUST OCCUR IN MORE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES COULD BE BENEFICIAL BUT WE DON'T NEED TO DESTROY THE COMMUNITIES CHARACTER IN THE PROCESS WE NEED MORE GROWTH WITHOUT VILLAGE CENTER LAND-USE WHICH REMOVES ALL OVERSIGHT. I WOULD BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS WAS AMENDED TO ONLY ALLOW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THIS WOULD CONTROL THE GROWTH AND PRESERVE THE SUMMER COMMUNITY. THERE ARE PLENTY OF VILLAGE CENTERS IN THE CURRENT PLAN THERE IS NO NEED TO INCREASE IT TO THE OTHER SIDE WHEN YOU HAVE A ROAD THAT IS THE DIVIDING LIBETWEEN EARL AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> PATRICIA ROLOFF. TAKE YOUR TIME. THANKS FOR STAYING AROUND. >> >> PULL THE MICROPHONE DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> MY NAME IS PATRICIA ROLOFF 1810 GREEN COAST SPRINGS GOOD EVENING ALL. AS A RESIDENT OF RUSSELL SINCE 1982 I STRONGLY OPPOSE LAKE ASBURY VILLAGE CENTER MY HOME IS LOCATED OFF OF 209B ONE POINT FIVE TENTHS MILES OF THE INTERSECTION OF STATE ROAD 209 AND ÃWHICH NOW HAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT THE CONGESTION ON BOTH SIDES IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE. I AM ORIGINALLY FROM NEW YORK CITY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS IS UNHEARD OF AND ANY TIME OF THE DAY AND SOMETIMES AT NIGHT THE PROMISED WIDENING OF 209 HAS MATERIALIZED OF COURSE WIDENING TO THREE LANES IS ONLY GOING TO CREATE MORE COMPLICATED HORRIFIC TRAFFIC AS IT IS EXITING ONTO 209 FROM COUNTY ROAD 209B WHERE I LIVE, GOING IN EITHER DIRECTION CAN [02:10:05] BE A VERY EXCITING EXPERIENCE AS YOU WATCH THE CARS AS THEY COME CLOSER. NOW HEADING TO THE VILLAGE CENTER THAT IS COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS TO THE SMALL DESIGNATED SPOT THAT YOU HAVE ON 209B AND ACROSS 209 IT'S A VERY SMALL AREA I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN ADDRESSED BY THE GENTLEMAN THAT WROTE THE ARTICLE THAT YOU READ INITIALLY AND THAT'S BASICALLY MY OTHER QUESTION IS SO WE KNOW THAT WHAT IT IS LIKE DAY AND NIGHT AND I WAS JUST ON THE COMMITTEE AND HAS BEEN THERE RECENTLY SO THEY CAN HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, THE EXCITING EXPERIENCE OF DRIVING ALONG THOSE ROADS AND TRY NOT TO GET HIT. I DO WHAT TO BRING UP ANOTHER POINT , WHICH IS HAVING TO DO WITH YOUR MAPS THE FUTURE SO SORRY I NEED MY GLASSES. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP VILLAGE CENTER NUMBER FIVE REVISED MAP ATTACHMENT B AERIAL MAP FLOOD ZONE MAP AND SOIL MAP THE REASON I BRING THIS UP IS ALL OF THE INDICATED EVIDENCE OF THE AREA IS STILL BEING RECOGNIZED AS A VIABLE PROPERTY. SOME OF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN AROUND HERE LONG ENOUGH TO KNOW 19 8384 IT WAS A BIG PROBLEM HERE AND WHERE WE LIVE. I REALIZE IT'S NOT PART OF THE PRESENT PLAN HOWEVER THE PRESENCE IS SHOWN ON ALL THE MAPS I MENTIONED AND IT'S A LOOMING PROBLEM COMING UP BESIDES THE TRAFFIC THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NEXT IS MATT. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> I LIVE AT 1749 OAK GROVE SOUTH I HAVE NOT A PROPERTY OWNER OF THE AFFECTED PROPERTIES BUT I LIVE IN THE EXISTING VILLAGE CENTER THAT IS ARLEIGH OF BEING COMMUNITY TO THE NORTHEAST SIDE DOWN TO 09 AND TURNING IT INTO THE VILLAGE CENTER ON THAT PROPERTY I KNOW GREG IS A NEIGHBOR HE OPPOSES CHANGING HIS PROPERTY I KNOW ANOTHER RESIDENT HE OWNS THE PROPERTY THAT'S AFFECTED HE SUPPOSED TO IT I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER OFF TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY THE WAY IT IS VERY THERE IS NO NEED FOR US TO ACCOMMODATE THE 10,000 HOMES THAT THE COUNTY AS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS WHOLE PROCESS WE ARE THE COUNTY WE ARE THE COUNTY WE DON'T WANT TO THERE. YOUR BUILDING IS FOR ALL THESE RESIDENTS WE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN HAPPY TO DRIVE WHERE WE HAD TO GO TO GET OUR GROCERIES AND GET OUR STUFF AND WE ARE A RURAL COMMUNITY AND WE LIKE THAT AND SO I AM OPPOSED TO EXTENDING ADDING THE EXTRA 25 ACRES TO THE AREAS AND I AM OPPOSED TO IF THERE WAS A WAY TO ILLUMINATE ÃILLUMINATE OR AMEND THE APPLICATION TO ELIMINATE MULTIFAMILY APARTMENTS ON THAT PROPERTY THAT I WOULD MAYBE RECONSIDER THAT BUT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE, OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON COUNTY ROAD 209 WITH ONLY DO COMMERCIAL AND REQUEST TO DO SO THEY CAN DO THAT ALREADY AND JUST BE HELL TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO JUST KEEP IT COMMERCIAL AND I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT OTHER APPLICANTS THAT APPLY FOR COMMERCIAL THERE ON A FRONTAGE ROAD THEY WOULD MORE THAN LIKELY BE APPROVED TO BE COMMERCIAL BUT THE VILLAGE CENTER PORTION WITH THE ADDED DENSITY BONUSES PUSH THAT TERM [02:15:03] DISCUSS ME BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY WE ARE DOING BONUSES OF DENSITY WHEN WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 10,000 HOMES WE HAVE A DENSITY BONUSES THERE SO I JUST WANT TO GO ON THE RECORD AS BEING OPPOSED TO THE EXPANSION THANK YOU. >> SUSIE GIVENS. YOU ARTY SPOKE? ÃYOU ALREADY SPOKE? >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> COME ON UP TO THE MICROPHONE PLACE SO WE CAN GET YOU ON THE RECORD. >> ARE YOU WITH? >> I AM HER NEIGHBOR. >> SHE IS MY NEIGHBOR AND SHE IS THE ONE THAT TOD ME ABOUT THE MEETING. MY NAME IS SUSAN GIVENS I LIVE ON 35TH AND RUSSELL ROAD AND WE HAVE 2 HOMES ON RUSSELL ROAD BUT WE DID NOT GET A LETTER. SOON IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE? >> NOW IT'S OKAY.IT NEEDS TO BE ÃI DON'T KNOW WHAT THREE WAVES ARE GOING TO DO. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A NORMALLY WE DON'T DO QUESTIONS BUT YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T GET A LETTER HOW CLOSE ARE YOU TO THIS PROPERTY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE SEND OUT A LETTER TO EVERY WITHIN Ã EVERYONE WITHIN 300 FEET. IT IS A 300? >> FUTURE LAND USE THE REQUIREMENT IS THE PROPERTY POWNERS AFFECTED BY THE FUTURE LAND USE CHANGE RECEIVE THE LETTER.WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO THAT BECAUSE THAT ONE IS REZONING. >> THAT'S WHY. THIS IS LAND-USE. I APOLOGIZE. >> I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE PLANT PLACE. AND WE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR 22 YEARS WE HAVE A TWO-STORY BUILDING HOME AND A BRICK HOME ON THE PROPERTY. >> WE HAVE 11.2 ACRES. >> ANYTHING ELSE?I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF YOU HAVE TIME. >> OKAY. >> I HAVE ONE LAST CARD, APRIL STONE? WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THANK HER FOR LETTING YOU KNOW. >> I AM APRIL STONE I AM SUSIE GIBBONS NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING AND HANGING OUT AND I DID TELL HER THE CHANGES WERE COMING AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING IT TO HER SIDE OF THE ROAD AS SHE DID VOICED HER OPPOSITION TO THAT.HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT STAY SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL RURAL COMMUNITY AS IT HAS BEEN FOR HER TIME THERE. OWN THE 40 ACRES ACROSS THE STREET AND I HAVE BASICALLY WANTED TO SAY THAT AS OF THIS MOMENT I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO EXPAND ACROSS THE STREET I AM HAVING DIFFICULTY FINDING A BUYER FOR MY PROPERTY, FINDING A USE FOR MY PROPERTY, NOT A SINGLE ACRE OF THE CENTER IS BEING UTILIZED THE COMMERCIAL SHOULD FOLLOW THE RESIDENTIAL NOT PRECEDE IT. WHEN THE COMMERCIAL PRECEDES THE RESIDENTIAL YOU SEE THE PROBLEMS LIKE WE HAVE WHERE WE HAVE LARGE STOREFRONTS THAT ARE MANY LOTS HAVE BEEN EMPTY FOR YEARS IT'S NOT COMPACT THE GOAL OF THE VILLAGE CENTER IS TO KEEP IT SMALL KEEP IT COMPACT AND KEEP IT WALKABLE I FEEL BY EXPANDING IT ACROSS THE STREET YOU ARE DEFEATING THE ENTIRE PURPOSE AND THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU GO BACK TO THE LARGE MAP THAT SHOWS THE COMING COMMUNITIES YOU CAN SEE THAT [02:20:07] ALL OF THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD NOTHING IS COMING IN TO THE NORTHEAST SIDE EXCEPT NOTHING SO I WOULD SAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO EXPAND KEEP IT ON THE WEST SIDE KEEP IT COMPACT KEEP IT WALKABLE MAKE IT SO THEY INTEGRATE INTO ALL OF THESE COMMUNITIES I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ANYTHING ON RUSSELL ROAD I THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO SAY, THE MINIMUM, THE COMMERCIAL THAT'S DEVELOPED ON THE 75 ACRES WILL BE 20 ACRES OF COMMERCIAL THAT'S A LOT OF SPACE TO USE UP ON A ROAD I KNOW SEEMS CROWDED BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE BUT ONLY HAS A 12,000 ADT AND YOU NEED 20,000 FOR A PLANNED COMMERCIAL PROJECT TO THRIVE. I THINK IT'S TOO MUCH, TOO SOON AND IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. >> THAT'S ALL THE CARDS. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK? >> 2908 LANEY BOULEVARD MIDDLE BARRY FLORIDA IT WAS AWESOME TO SEE PATRICIA HERE TONIGHT SHE DID A GREAT JOB AGAIN LAST TIME SHE TALKED ABOUT THE WATER PROBLEMS RIGHT THERE IN THE SAME AREA YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE LIGHT THAT SHE WAS SPEAKING ON SO THIS IS A HUGE PLANNING MESS I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR 15 YEARS WE TALKED ABOUT LANYON BOULEVARD AND ON AND ON AND THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF A MESS OF THE BOULEVARD IN MY OPINION WE HAVE SLIGHTLY LIKE THE LADY JUST SAID WE HAVE STOREFRONTS ALL OVER THE PLACE WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER FLAKE ISLAND. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO A REAL VILLAGE CENTER GO DOWN TO CENTRAL FLORIDA TO THE VILLAGES. THEY HAVE BEEN OVERCROWDED THEY JUST PUT IN APARTMENTS, MAJOR MESSES BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT WHEN YOU ARE LIVING IN CLAY COUNTY THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU RIGHTS IN THE JAIL WE HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE JAIL. YOU ARE TRYING TO ÃI'M TRYING TO TELL YOU. YOU ARE TRYING TO OVERBUILD. YOU HAVE TO HAVE AMENITIES. THIS IS AN AMENITY THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO PROVIDE >> THE ZONING ON THIS PARCEL. >> I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN GET A PERMIT BEING REQUIRED TO DO SO WITHIN A YEAR BUT ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ZONE SOMETHING AND EVERYTHING ELSE CAN BUILD AROUND YOU AND YOU CAN BUILD IT UP LATER. HOW DOES THAT WORK THAT YOUR ZONING STAYS THERE FOR 20 YEARS AND YOU CAN JUST, DECIDE THIS IS MY PROPERTY I HAD TO ZONE 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO I WANT TO DO WHAT I WANTED TO DO 20 YEARS AGO RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW WHAT? IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PAY IMPACT FEES IN THIS AREA FOR ALMOST 10 YEARS. THIS IS WHY YOU HAVE THE ROAD MESS THAT YOU HAVE WE HAVE NO TRANSIT TO HELP ANYTHING. YOU CAN SAY THIS DOESN'T MATTER. IT ALL PLAYS AFFECT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO HERE TONIGHT. IT REALLY DOES. I MEAN COME ON FOLKS.I MEAN I DIDN'T SAY STOP THE BUILDING. I SAID RAISE THE IMPACT FEE WE DON'T WANT THE GROWTH TO COME FLOWING IN HERE LIKE IT DID ON THE OTHER PART OF THE COUNTY LIKE IT OVER HERE. WHAT ABOUT ON 16 WHEN THEY CHANGED THE FLOODING TO GO INTO THE WEST WING OF LAKE AS BARRY? WE GOT THIS HUGE MESS OF FLOODING OVER THERE AND I YOU WANT TO BUILD MORE OVER THERE. THANK YOU. >> WHAT YOU MEAN THANK YOU. BEST THREE MINUTES. PLEASE SIT DOWN. ANYBODY ELSE I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING I HAVE SOME COMMENTS BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO SAY >> I TRAVELED THOSE ROADS MYSELF I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVES [02:25:24] IN THAT AREA AND I KNOW THOSE ISSUES THAT GO ON WITH THE FLOODING AND TWO LANES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I PROBABLY COULD USE LESS TO LOOK AT A LITTLE BIT CLOSELY AND IN NO WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THE ROADS BUT AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON TO CONCENTRATE ON MOST SMALL AREAS I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT >> FIRST OF ALL FOR THE STAFF, THAT MAP WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT TO BE PART OF THE PACKAGE WITH THOSE NUMBERS. THAT SHOULD BE THERE. AND THAT ALONE RIGHT THERE IS CAUSE TO STOP AND REALLY LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. MY QUESTION IS FOR THE STAFF, GIVEN WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND WHAT'S IN PROCESS AND WHAT'S IN REVIEW, IF THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS NOT APPROVED, WHAT'S THE IMPACT? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> WHAT IS THAT GOING TO MEAN FOR THE CURRENT RESIDENCE ON THE ONES WHO HAD BEEN APPROVED TO START BUILDING IT? >> THEY ALLOW RESIDENTIAL AS I SAID IT HAS TO BE A MINIMUM OF 25 PERCENT AND RIGHT NOW RESIDENCE, RESIDENTIAL IS THE HOT ITEM LOOKING TO BUILD COMMERCIAL ALWAYS FOLLOWS SO WHEN THE HOUSES GET BUILT TYPICALLY COMMERCIAL LOOKS AT AN AREA THEY PUT A DOT ON THE MAP AND DRAW THE RADIUS THERE LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS WITHIN THE RADIUS ON THE INDUSTRY SO YOU ARE GOING TO SEE HOUSING CONTINUING TO BUILD HOWEVER IF YOU DON'T THE QUESTION IS IF YOU DON'T DO THIS RIGHT NOW THOSE HOUSING UNITS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN THEY ARE GOING TO COME OUT OF THE GROUND AND YOU WILL HAVE A DEMAND COMING TO YOU FOR COMMERCIAL USE THE GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE OF SOME OF THOSE USES AND INTO TOWN SO TO SPEAK SO THAT'S WHAT THE VILLAGE CENTER IS FOR AND WE ARE JUST TRYING TO ANTICIPATE THAT BECAUSE THOSE FUTURE RESIDENTS COMING IN TO THESE NEW AREAS ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING FOR GETTING THEIR PRESCRIPTIONS AND GETTING PIZZA ON FRIDAY NIGHT WITHOUT HAVING TO. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> IS THAT GOOD? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION PETE? >> I WILL JUST SAY I DON'T LIKE IT. I DON'T KNOW HOUSE TO PUT IT. A THREE LANE ROAD THAT'S LIKE SWATTING FLIES WITH A STRAW I'M NOT SURE A FOUR-LANE ROAD WOULD HACK IT. AND IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS. AND Y DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE GROUND BEFORE THEY START DOING THIS TRYING TO DO IT AFTER THEY DO IT IT'S GOING TO BE UNBEARABLE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT HOMES OUT THERE AND THOSE WHO ALREADY LIVE THERE. >> IF YOU LOOK AT ÃJT BE THEY BUILT THAT MANY YEARS AGO THAT WAS A ROAD TO NOWHERE BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED THEY BUILT THAT ROAD AND THEY BUILT IT CORRECTLY AND THE DEVELOPMENT FOLLOW THIS REMINDS ME OF PLACES I HAVE LIVED WHERE WE HAVE BUILT IT UP IN THE ROADS SOMETIMES FOLLOW AND THEN WE HAD REAL PROBLEMS AND WE STILL HAVE PROBLEMS. >> I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY THE NEED LIKE AS FAR AS GAS STATIONS THAT PLACES TO SHOP WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PART I AM STRUGGLING WITH BECAUSE OF THE OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND PARCELS THAT HAVEN'T EVEN STARTED LIKE [02:30:03] IF YOU LOOK AT THAT MAP WE KNOW AND WHY ARE WE TRYING TO CONCENTRATE SO MUCH AND PACK SO MUCH INTO A SMALL AREA. >> SO AS A BODY AS A PLANNING COMMISSION I BELIEVE IT'S OUR JOB TO PLAN AND SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY WHERE WE ARE BUT WHERE WE ARE GOING AS A COUNTY AND I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY OF THE VILLAGE CENTER WHERE WE ARE PREVENTING ÃWE ARE NOT BRANCHING OUT INTO Ã BUT WE ARE CONDENSING IT TO AN AREA WHERE WE CAN CREATE THE TOWN CENTER WHERE WE HAVE SEEN AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT I AM SUPPORT OF THE TOWN CENTER CONCEPT BUT I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT WE SAID EARLIER I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS. WE JUST GOT DONE SAYING THAT WE CONSIDER PROPERTY OWNER RIGHTS WHEN WE VIEW OR WHEN WE LOOK AT ANYTHING SO THAT'S A CONCERN FOR ME IF WE ARE GOING FROM COMMERCIAL TO THE VILLAGE CENTER WHAT DOES THAT DO TO SOMEBODY'S VALUE? I HAVE NOT DONE THE RESEARCH OR THE ANALYSIS TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT SOMEBODY SO SOMEBODY COMES IN TO BUY IT THEY DO THEIR HOMEWORK IN THEIR PAYING TAXES AND AND IT'S PART OF OUR CONVERSATION WHERE TO PUT THEM AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT TIES THEM TOGETHER AND THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IS MAPPED OUT SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED IF THERE WAS A ON AND OFF RAMP BECAUSE THEN I COULD SAY OKAY WE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE OUTER BELTWAY BUT WE ARE DRIVING UNDERNEATH IT AND I HAVE SOME CONCERNS I DO BELIEVE WHAT THE COMMISSIONER SUGGESTED MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I DRIVE THESE ROADS I KNOW THE CONGESTION AND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS THERE AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE TABLE THIS FOR 30 DAYS AND EVERY COMMISSIONER GO DRIVE THE AREA WITH A MAP FROM THE COUNTY SO THEY CAN SEE AND WE CAN COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THIS NEXT MONTH THANK YOU. >> I AM GOING TO RESPOND A LITTLE BIT TO YOU AND THE LAKE MASTER PLAN WAS PUT IN PLACE TO DRIVE DEVELOPMENT THE WAY THAT MANY PEOPLE INCLUDING A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN LAKE ASBURY AT THE TIME WANTED TO SEE IT GO BECAUSE THE NUMBER ONE OBJECTIVE THEY DID NOT WANT TO SEE ANOTHER ÃBOULEVARD AND RIGHT NOW TODAY IF THE DEVELOPERS HAD THEIR WAY HENRY ROAD WOULD LOOK LIKE BLANDING BOULEVARD IT DOESN'T BECAUSE OF THIS MASTER PLAN SO THAT'S ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO DRIVE THAT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT TO CERTAIN AREAS AND KEEP STRETCHES RESIDENTIAL. THE VILLAGE CENTERS WERE CREATED TO BE IN INTERSECTIONS I BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST THE FACT THAT I DID NOT LIKE THAT THEY WERE CIRCLES I THOUGHT THEY SHOULD FOLLOW PROPERTY LINES AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE STAFF IS TRYING TO DO. ON THAT MAP THAT IS UP THERE WE SHOULD NOTE THAT THOSE DOTTED LINES ARE FUTURE ROADS. THEY ARE GOING TO BE IN THAT AREA. THEY ARE NOT THERE TODAY BUT THEY WILL BE THERE AT SOME POINT THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO HELP GIVE US THE RIGHT-OF-WAY I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE BUILDING THE ROADS WE KIND OF LOST THAT LEVERAGE IN TALLAHASSEE BUT WITH THIS PROPOSAL I THINK THE STAFF HAS THOUGHT THIS OUT PRETTY WELL I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT IF YOU GUYS WANT TO ÃFOR A MONTH THE ONE THING THAT I HEARD TONIGHT IS THE RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS THAT BOTHER TO COME OUT AND TALK TO US THEY DON'T WANT TO SEE THIS GO ON THE OTHER CITED 209 SO I HAVEN'T GOT A REAL ISSUE WITH THIS PROPOSAL EXCEPT I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE LEAVE ALONE THE PROPERTIES I GUESS THAT'S THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF RUSSELL ROAD. JUST LEAVE THOSE ALONE. DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH THEM BUT EVERYTHING ELSE I THINK MAKES SENSE. [02:35:03] SO WE ARE TRYING TO ELIMINATE WE HAVE ONE BLANEY BOULEVARD IN THIS COUNTY WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE THING THAT CLAY HILL OVERLAY TRIED TO DO WAS PUT SOME SANITY ON 218 SO DOESN'T BECOME ANOTHER ONE AND OAKLEAF, WHICH IS A WHOLE MASTER PLAN UP THERE, ALL OF THE COMMERCIAL IS CLUSTERED AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS TRYING TO DO IS TRYING TO TELL EVERYBODY RATHER THAN EVERYBODY TRYING TO COME IN AND BUILD COMMERCIAL HERE BECAUSE THOSE LOTS ARE CHEAPER THAN THIS ONE. YOU WANT TO DO COMMERCIAL YOU WANT TO PUT SOMETHING INTO SUPPORT THESE RESIDENTS YOU NEED TO PUT IT IN AT THESE INTERSECTIONS AND LET THE REST OF IT BE RESIDENTIAL SO I AM ACTUALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS I WOULD ASK THAT WE REMOVE THE PROPERTIES ON THE NORTHEAST SIDE OF 209 THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE ARE CERTAINLY HERE TO LISTEN TO INPUT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA AND WHAT THE REST OF THIS IS, A PRETTY GOOD ATTEMPT AT TRYING TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM TRYING TO GET IT DOWN TO PARCELS BUT IF YOU WANT MORE TIME TO LOOK AT IT I AM GOOD AND THE PERCENTAGES THAT SHE HAD IN HER PRESENTATION THOSE ARE IN THE MASTER PLAN THOSE ARE BEING CHANGED, THAT 65 PERCENT, THOSE PERCENTAGES ARE THERE TODAY SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE THOSE PERCENTAGES, THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE. MAYBE WE DON'T WANT THAT I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY IN A VILLAGE CENTER IT SHOULD BE MULTI FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL. >> MAY OFFER A SUGGESTION? >> YES. ONE OF MY OTHER VOLUNTEER DUTIES, I CHAIR THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE REGIONAL TRANSPORTATION ORGANIZATION SO IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ROADS AND INFRASTRUCTURE GO TO THE TPL. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IT'S FED RIGHT BACK INTO THE STAFF. AND YOU COULD TAKE THAT INFORMATION FOR EXAMPLE, ALL OF THE BONDING THAT CLAY COUNTY IS DOING ALL OF THE APPROVED ROADS AND OVERLAY ALL OF THAT IN HERE I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THIS GROUP AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND YOU ARE SHOWING PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS AND NOW YOU HAVE PEOPLE GUESSING ABOUT THE ROADS YOU COULD FORESTALL ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU TOOK WHAT'S AVAILABLE TODAY IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR RIGHT AT THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS START OVERLAYING THAT INFORMATION ON THERE. I HAVE A EXAMPLE HEAR FROM A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AGO, THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN, AND IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TO SANDRIDGE, 220, HENLEY. AND THEY ARE SITTING HERE TRYING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SECOND-GUESS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD DO STAFF WORK AND THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION. >> I TOTALLY SUPPORT VILLAGE CENTERS AND TOWN CENTERS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT'S WHERE THE COMMERCIAL AREAS NEED TO BE THEY NEED TO BE CONSOLIDATED. MY CONCERN IS AND MAYBE HE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD AS FAR AS PROVIDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. MY CONCERN IS INFRASTRUCTURE ROADS IN AND OUT OF THOSE VILLAGE CENTERS AND TOWN CENTERS TO ACCOMMODATE THE RESIDENTS THE DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IT'S HAPPENING NOW WHILE WE SLEEP BUT WE'VE GOT TO GET AHEAD OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE OF IT OTHERWISE IT'S GOING TO BE UNCOMFORTABLE FOR EVERYBODY. >> ONE OF THE REASONS THE COUNTY WENT AND PUT THE BONDING PROJECT TOGETHER THEY COULD NOT GET ENOUGH MONEY SO IF WE DIDN'T MOVE AHEAD ON IT AS THE COUNTY WE ARE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL. HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM KNOW THAT? HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THE STAFF KNOW THAT? THERE'S JUST A FEW OF US BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IT'S WHAT ELSE IS COMING DOWN THE LINE IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THE FIVE-YEAR PROJECTION TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND DO THIS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE WE NEED THAT [02:40:02] TYPE OF INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. >> AND MY POINT OF DOING THIS MULTIPLE TIMES MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION TO MAKE THE PROPER AND RIGHT RECOMMENDATIONS THIS IS JUST HOW I SEE IT. I HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THE VILLAGE CENTERS BUT BUILDING THEM OUT TO MORE THAN THEY NEED TO BE BUILT OUT WITHOUT HAVING THE ACCESS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS WHERE I AM WITH THIS RIGHT NOW. >> ONE MORE. IF WE ARE BRINGING VARIOUS STAFF MEMBERS IN FOR THESE TYPE OF MEETINGS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE DISCUSSION, WHY CAN'T WE BRING SOMEONE IN LIKE ED OR SOMEONE ON HIS STAFF TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS UP FRONT? >> I THINK YOU REALLY NEED. HEY, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ROADS? THE COUNTY ENGINEER? WHO DOES THAT PART?F WE WANTED SOMEONE IN HERE TO TALK ABOUT ROAD PROJECTS IS THAT FALL UNDER YOU OR THE COUNTY ENGINEER? >> THESE DAYS IT FALLS UNDER ME AS WELL BUT HONESTLY I HAVE SENT KELLY AN EMAIL WHICH SHE PROBABLY KNOWS BECAUSE SHE HAS HER LAPTOP UP, WE HAVE OUR BONDED ROAD PROJECT THIS IS WHAT BO IS TALKING ABOUT, I ASKED KELLY TO SEND YOU A LINK ON OUR WEBSITE ED IS OVER THAT AND HE IS AN EMPLOYEE WE HAVE HIRED JUST TO DO THE BONDED ROAD PROJECTS IT'S $130 MILLION WORTH OF ROADS EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WILL BE DRIVING ON THOSE ROADS BEFORE 2025 THAT IS THE BIGGEST FOR THIS AREA BECAUSE MOST OF THOSE ROADS ARE WITHIN THIS AREA. >> THERE IS ALSO WHAT'S IN THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT GOES BEYOND THIS AND ASKED THE TYPE OF INFORMATION TO PROVIDE. TO MAKE YOUR QUESTION IS MULTIFACETED. DASHES OVER THE BONDED PROJECT AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANY OF YOU GUYS WHO ARE HERE, OR LISTENING IF YOU WILL GO TO THE CLAY COUNTY GUV.WEBSITE WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE LINKS IT SAYS BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS YOU CAN SEE THOSE PROJECTS AND THE COMMISSION AS WELL AND ED IS THE PRO AT THAT AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT AREAS THAT COME TOGETHER AS ONE. SO IT WILL BE BACK WITH US NEXT MONTH OCTOBER. AND SO THAT'S AN ÃWHAT WE ARE DISCUSSING RIGHT THERE WE HAVE A MONTH COMING UP WHERE WE DON'T HAVE 100 THINGS ON THE AGENDA WE COULD DO A SESSION ON SOME OF THAT. >> AND FOR EVERYONE ELSE YOU CAN GO TO THE NORTH FLORIDA TPL WEBSITE AND GO LOOK AND FIND ALL THIS INFORMATION TO DESIGN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. >> THERE ARE SOME CLAY COUNTY ROADS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST. >> I KNOW IT'S A QUESTION OF STAFF AVAILABLE TIME AND HOW MUCH WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE LONGER THAN SOME OF OUR MEETINGS. I THINK HOWARD THEY DID A PRESENTATION BUT NOW THAT YOU MENTIONED IT, HOWARD DID A REAL NICE POWERPOINT WHERE HE WENT OVER THAT YOU KNOW THE POWERPOINT YOU GUYS PROBABLY ALL USE THE SAME ONE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO BE ONE OF THESE MEETINGS IT TAKES ABOUT THAT'S ONE OF THEM. THEY TALK ABOUT IT. AND THEY TALK ABOUT IN COMMON TERMS WHAT IS GOING HERE IF WE COULD GET HIM TO COME IN THEY WILL NEED 20 MINUTES OR 30 MINUTE PRESENTATION I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL AND IF YOU GUYS WANT TO COME BACK FOR THAT AND WE ARE ON CHANNEL 260 ON COMCAST EVERY MONTH AND ALSO THESE MEETINGS ARE RECORDED AND AVAILABLE ON REPLAY ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE IF YOU WANT TO [02:45:04] SEE WHAT HAPPENS. SO DOES THAT ANSWER OUR QUESTION? SO DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? >> YES THANK YOU.SO I WOULD JUST MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS HERE AND THE COMMISSIONERS POINTS IF WE COULD ASK STAFF TO GO BACK INTO INFORMATION GATHERING AND TABLE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH WE CONTINUE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH WITH SOME OF THOSE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE DIALOGUE AT THAT TIME. >> WE WILL CONTINUE THIS ITEM >> EXCEPT WE NEED TO GIVE STAFF DIRECTION WITH WHAT WE EXPECT. >> WHAT'S THE NEXT MEETING? SEPTEMBER? OCTOBER SOMETHING. >> OCTOBER 5. >> DO YOU INTEND TO REMOVE THAT NORTHEAST PORTION? >> I THINK THEY HEARD OUR INPUT. >> I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS ABOUT MOVING THE NORTHEAST PORTION LET'S HAVE STAFF GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT. >> >> WHAT RALPH JUST SAID. >> >> TO EVERYBODY THAT BOTHERED YOU COME IN, WE DID HEAR YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE WILL BE REVISITING THIS IN THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO, SO STAY TUNED AND WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> BEFORE WE DO THAT, CAN I ASK A QUESTION, CAN WE GET MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THE BONUS, LIKEWISE A BONUS FOR THESE PARTICULAR AREAS? AS FAR AS EXPANSION ON THE BONUS PART I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE BACKGROUND ON THAT AS WELL. >> ALL OF THE MOTION FOR THE CONTINUANCE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. [Public Comment] THAT CONCLUDES THE MAIN PUBLIC HEARING MENU. I DO HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT YES SIR. TALK ON ANYTHING YOU WANT FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES. >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> TURN THE MICROPHONE ON. >> HE CAN'T TURN IT ON. IT'S OKAY. GO AHEAD. >>. [INDISCERNIBLE] MY QUESTION IS IS THERE ANY WAY, HORTON OWNS THE BIG CIRCLE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE OF THAT AREA IS THERE A WAY IN THE FUTURE WE CAN HOLD DEVELOPERS IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A VILLAGE CENTER WHY CAN'T THEY PROVIDE THE LAND WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO BRING IN FIVE URGENT THOUSAND HOMES, DON'T THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF RESPONSIBILITY IF THEY WANT A VILLAGE CENTER TO BE SOMEWHERE TO SERVE THOSE PEOPLE WHY CAN'T THEY PROVIDE THE LAND FOR THAT AND BUILD IT THERE?THAT'S SOMETHING I WAS THINKING ABOUT. >> GIVE ME A QUICK OPPORTUNITY TO DO MY MONTHLY PITCH FOR CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEES. FOLKS LIKE YOU, JUST HANG ON A MINUTE, YOU GUYS ARE MOTIVATED THIS AFFECTS YOU DIRECTLY. IT'S A HEAD SCRATCHER TO ME THERE IS NOT A CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THIS DISTRICT. YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS STUFF BEFORE IT COMES TO US. WE SIMPLY ADVISE TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND I SAY YOU GUYS WITH THE FOLKS LIVE IN THAT DISTRICT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT TOGETHER AN OFFICIAL COMMITTEE WERE ALL THE STAFF HAS TO GO TO YOU FIRST BEFORE IT COMES HERE AND THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A VOICE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR BUT THE MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN A PART OF THE PLANNING CLAY COUNTY FOR A LONG TIME AND IT'S NATURAL THAT PEOPLE GET MOTIVATED TO COME OUT AND SPEAK WHEN THEY SEE TREES COMING DOWN AND THAT STUFF BUT THIS IS BEEN IN WORKGROUPS FOR DECADES AND THIS HAS BEEN PLANNED SINCE THE LATE [02:50:03] 70S AND EARLY 80S SO I DO IT ALL THE TIME, GET MORE INVOLVED YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IF IT'S NOT YOU GUYS MAYBE YOU DO KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS THE PASSENGER AND ENERGY ÃPASSION AND ENERGY. >> PUBLIC COMMENT IS STILL OPEN. >> 2908 ÃMIDDLE BARRY FLORIDA. A FEW THINGS HUNDRED 29 MILLION THAT WAS TOUCHED ON THE BOND 60 MILLION WAS LOST ALMOST IN IMPACT FEES AND IT WASN'T COLLECTED FOR THESE AREAS THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ROADS AND 30 MILLION OF THAT IS INTEREST FOR FIVE YEARS SO THAT'S NOT TRUE THIS UNDER HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IF YOU ARE WITHIN THE FIVE PERCENT WHICH WE KNOW CLAY COUNTY IS NOT GOOD ABOUT BEING WITHIN FIVE PERCENT NOW THE JAIL IS A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS WHEN YOU GO TO JAIL, YOU CAN'T IGNORE THEM. THE DISTRICT MEETINGS ARE NOT BEING TELEVISED BUT THEY SHOULD BE RECORDED SO THE CITIZENS CAN HEAR THEM. THERE IS NO MASTER PLAN FOR DISTRICT 4. WE HAD A DISTRICT HERE THAT THE GOVERNMENT TOOK OUT OF HIS POSITION AND REPLACED IT WITH ÃAND I LIKE TO NOW IS THAT HOUSING IN THE BACK WAS THAT FOR RENTAL PROPERTY FOR THE ACTUAL GOLF COURSE OR WERE THOSE LIVED IN ALL THE TIME MAYBE TURN THEM INTO AIR B&B IF THEY DON'T WANT TO ÃWHAT'S THERE. COME ON FOLKS THE IMPACT FEE WHEN THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT HER BEDROOM IF IT'S A TINY HOUSE YOUR IMPACT FEE WILL BE DIFFERENT THERE WASN'T MUCH TO BE SAID ABOUT THESE MAPS TONIGHT SOME OF THEM DID NOT EVEN HAVE THE ROAD NAMES ON THEM.HE ROAD TRIPS, HOW ARE YOU DOING PLANNING IF YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ROAD TRIPS? HOW MANY ROAD TRIPS IS THIS GOING TO ADD AND NUMBER FIVE BY THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A TOW TRUCK COMPANY FOR THAT AREA AND THE HANDICAP ISSUES ARE A BIG PROBLEM. I HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT FOR A LONG TIME.LEASES FEED THE ADDED OFFICE SPACE BUT THEY DID NOT ADD THE HANDICAP PARKING THE RIGHT WAY THEY REFUSED TO TICKET THEM BECAUSE IS NOT ASPHALT AND THEY WILL HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE THERE. ARE YOU GOING TO RUN OVER EVERYONE THAT'S POOR ADAM THE COUNTY? YOU CAN'T TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE COUNTY LOOK AT THE PUBLIC HOUSING. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE PUBLIC HOUSING.FORKS, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE PARKS YOU'VE GOT HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND? WE CAN'T TAKE CARE OF THE PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THIS COUNTY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND YOU GUYS WANT TO GO SPEND $6 MILLION. AMAZING CUTTING DOWN TREES HOW US ARE WE GOING TO BE Ã >> NO MORE. THANK YOU. >> TIMES THAT. [INDISCERNIBLE] PLEASE SIT DOWN. >> IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OLD BUSINESS FOR US? ANYTHING? OKAY. I THINK NEXT MONTH WE ARE GOING TO GET THE D DRI OR WHATEVER IT'S CALLED FOR SARATOGA SPRINGS IS NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF PAPERWORK I THINK I HAD IT PRINTED OUT AND IT'S A CLIFF NOTES AND IT GOT ME THROUGH COLLEGE. ANYWAY I BELIEVE THOSE WERE SENT TO US PDF FILES BY BEV [02:55:12] CARSON THERE ARE REVISIONS COMING OUR WAY SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO A LITTLE READING AHEAD OF GETTING YOUR PACKAGE NEXT MONTH OR SHE WILL SPEND SUNDAY READING. THE ONLY OTHER THING AND I THINK IT CAME UP I WILL BRING IT UP AND YOU GUYS CAN, I WAS SURPRISED THAT WE DON'T NOTIFY RESIDENTS ABOUT LAND CHANGE LIKE FOR THIS VILLAGE CENTER I THOUGHT IT WAS LAND CHANGE AND ZONING AND YOU ARE SAYING IT'S ONLY ZONING? AND IS ANYONE WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE AFFECTED PROPERTIES. I REMEMBER ONE TIME WE DID CONSIDER WE WOULD GO ACROSS THE STREET AND WE HAD A LONG CHAT AND IF IT'S WHEN WITHIN 350 FEET I KNOW IT'S A COST FOR THE MAILING AND WE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME FOR LAND USE. [INDISCERNIBLE] >> IS SOMETHING YOU CAN PROPOSE. >> AND I ASKED FOR SUPPORT FROM THE BOARD BUT I LIKE TO SEE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AS WELL. >> I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. >> WE CAN MAKE AN OFFICIAL RECOMMENDATION. >> SO MOVED. >> I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT 350 FEET OUTSIDE AND THE RESIDENTS ARE NOTIFIED OFTHAT CHANGE . >> ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OTHER THAN >> SO THE ONLY THING WE ARE GOOD THE BOY SCOUTS ARE HERE TONIGHT WE THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT WE LOVE TO SEE YOUNG MEN AND YOUNG WOMEN INVOLVED IN OUR CIVIC ACTIVITIES AND HE RAN A GOOD MEETING, THREE HOURS INTO IT, YOU DID A GREAT JOB. >> WAIT A MINUTE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.