Aug 24, 2021 BCC Agenda

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>>> TURN IN A COMMENT CARD. YOU CAN FIND THOSE OUTSIDE. TURN THOSE INTO THE STAFF TO MY RIGHT, YOUR LEFT, THEN WE WILL BE ABLE TO CALL YOU UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE HAVE TO OF THEM. ONE AT THE BEGINNING AND ONE AT THE END.

THE ALSO HAVE ZONING ISSUES WHICH CAN BE SPOKEN ABOUT. WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO SPEAK COME DOWN YOU HAVE 3 MINUTES, IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY NAME. THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING.

WE DON'T WANT ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE TO SPEAK. WE DO ASK THAT YOU REMOVE YOUR HATS WHILE IN THE BOARD ROOM. RECOMMEND YOU SOCIALLY DISTANCE AND WHERE A MASK IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO. IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE WILL COVER THOSE AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE AFTERNOON. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. BEFORE WE CALLED THE MEETING TO ORDER WE WILL ASK EVERYONE TO STAND. WILL HAVE THE INVITATION AND THEN THE PLEDGE.

COMMISSIONER GREENWICH OR RENNIGER. >> HEAVENLY FATHER WATCH OVER THOSE IN PERIL, NATIONALS NEED ASSISTANCE TO RETURN HOME. THE SURVIVORS IN HAITI AFTER A DEVASTATING EARTHQUAKE. BULLS LOSS AND MISSING INTIMACY FROM A DEVASTATING FLOOD ALSO PLEASE BE WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AS THEY STRUGGLE WITH THE DELTA VARIANT AND THE LAMBDA VARIANT WHICH IS MORE SEVERE. LORD PLEASE WATCH OVER THE MILITARY AND PLEASE BE WITH US AS WE CARRY OUT YOUR WORK HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. I WOULD LIKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, WE LOST A FORMER MAYOR, STEVE HOWARD. HE WAS A NINE YEAR VETERAN.

HE WAS A MAYOR TWICE. HE PASSED TO HEAVEN THIS AFTERNOON.

I WOULD LIKE TO MEMORIALIZE HIM TODAY WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE. FOR ALL OF THIS WE PRAY, AMEN.

>> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. AS WE DO FOR EACH MEETING, WE INVITE A VETERAN TO COME IN AND LEAD US TO THE PLEDGE. TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO GEORGE MCKINNEY.

HE IS A MIDDLEBURG RESIDENT. HE IS RETIRED U.S. NAVY COMMANDER AND WELCOME YOU HERE SYP WELCOME HIM HERE TODAY. HE WAS HERE FOR SEVEN OF THE CAMPAIGNS DURING THE VIETNAM WAR. HIS FINAL WAS A JACKSONVILLE. DURING THE COURSE OF HIS TIME IN THE NAVY HE WAS ALSO AN AVIATION DUTY OFFICER SERVING 34 YEARS. HE IS ALSO ACTIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. PRESIDENT OF HIS HOA AND HE KEEPS ME HONEST AS TO WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY. COMMANDER, IF YOU WOULD STEP TO THE MICROPHONE AND LEAD US IN

THE PLEDGE. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN RECITING THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF OUR COUNTRY. I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH

LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU COMMANDER AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

YOU MAY ALL BE SEATED. >> WE WILL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

A ROLL CALL, ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE AND IN PLACE.

[PET ADOPTIONS]

TREES AS THOSE FOR US. >> THE FIRST DOG IS A NEUTERED MALE MIXED BREED, 3-YEARS-OLD.

MEET OUR VERY OWN LIFE OF THE PARTY. HE IS ALWAYS READY TO PLAY AND QUICK TO TAKE A NAP. HE IS DOG FRIENDLY AND THOSE BASIC COMMANDS.

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MICROCHIP. >> THE NEXT DOG. A SPAYED FEMALE MIXED BREED, 10-YEARS-OLD. THIS PINT-SIZE DIVA IS LOOKING FOR A NEW HOME WHERE SHE CAN SHOW YOU HOW SPECIAL SHE IS. DO NOT H FULL YEAR. SHE HAS ENERGY TO KEEP UP WITH ANOTHER DOG OR FAMILY MEMBERS. SHE IS UP TO DATE AND MICROCHIP. THE FIRST CAT.

A SPAYED FEMALE, 3-YEARS-OLD. SHE IS FRONT DECLAWED. SHE IS FANCY AND HAS NO PROBLEMS POSING. ARE YOU A SOCIAL MEDIA INFLUENCER LOOKING FOR COHOSTS, SHE IS THERE CAP FOR YOU. SHE IS LOOKING FOR HOME WHERE SHE WILL BE TREATED LIKE THE CELEBRITY SHE THINKS SHE IS. SHE IS UP TO DATE ON ALL OF HER VACCINES AND MICROCHIP.

THE LAST CAT IS A SPAYED FEMALE. BLACK, DOMESTIC SHORTHAIR. SHE IS SOCIAL AND ADORES.

BUT READY TO FIND HER OWN PLACE. SHE LOVES THE OUT DOORS WHERE SHE COULD LOUNGE WOULD BE IDEAL.

SHE IS UP TO DATE ON HER VACCINES AND MICROCHIP. AS ALWAYS IF YOU ARE INTERESTED PLEASE E-MAIL US AT CLAY ADOPTIONS AT CLAY COUNTY GOVERNMENT.COM OR CALL US AT THE NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. ALSO DUCK LAKE COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES HOLD A COMMUNITY RABIES AND MICROCHIP CLINIC ON THE FIRST THURSDAY OF EVERY MONTH FROM 3:00 P.M. UNTIL 5:00 P.M.

FINALLY IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN OUR KITCHEN CREW WE ARE LOOKING FOR FOSTERS.

YOU CAN E-MAIL US. THAT CONCLUDES THE ANIMALS WERE TODAY.

>> THANK YOU AND AS ALWAYS, WE INVITE YOU TO BE IN TOUCH WITH DUCK LAKE COUNTY ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER. THE FACILITY IS ALWAYS OVERLOADED WITH GREAT PETS.

THERE'S ALWAYS MORE COMING AND THEN GOING OUT. BEFORE YOU ADD A PET TO THE

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SUGGESTIONS OR EMOTION. >> I HAVE AN AMENDMENT ON PAGE 12-24.

WE RECOGNIZE DEPUTY COUNTY MANAGER AND IT SHOULD BE SPELLED CORRECTLY.

IT IS IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL WITH THE

CORRECTION. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0. WE COME TO THE FIRST PUBLIC

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

YOU ARE ON DECK. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TOO COME AND ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE.

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU, ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONER GREENWICH OR.

RENNINGER. I CONTACTED COMMISSIONER RENNINGER ABOUT THIS LANE AND HOW BAD IT WAS. I SENT HIM AN E-MAIL ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS AND HE SAID HE WOULD COME OUT TO LOOK AT IT. HE CAME OUT AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT.

HE CAME OUT AND LOOKED AT THE SITUATION AND HE SAID HE WOULD BRING IT TO THE BOARD.

YACHT APPROVED HAVING THE ROAD PAVED. IT WAS MADE FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. THE COMPANY DID A GREAT JOB AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR APPROVING IT. IT WAS IN REAL BAD CONDITIONS AND NEIGHBORS ARE REALLY

THANKFUL FOR WHAT TOOK PLACE ON THAT ROAD. >> WE APPRECIATE THAT.

WE DID APPROVE, 39 ROADS TO BE PAVED OR RESURFACED. I THINK ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY MANAGER WE PUT 10 TONS OF ASPHALT ON THE GROUND. 10,000 TONS.

ALL RIGHT. THAT IS SOME OF IT RIGHT THERE. THOMAS SMITH IF YOU WOULD.

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AND TRAVIS YOU ARE ON DECK. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I AM THOMAS SMITH.

I LIVE AT 6307 ( INDISCERNIBLE ) AND KINGSLEY LAKE. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU TODAY I AM HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE CONDITION OF OUR ENTRY ROAD.

THERE SEEMS TO BE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE ROAD IS COUNTY OWNED OR PRIVATE.

I SPOKE TO THE COUNTY ENGINEER AND HE WAS GOING TO CHECK INTO IT BUT AT THAT POINT, HE WAS NOT CLEAR IF IT WAS COUNTY OWNED OR NOT. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THE SURVEYORS COME OUT AND DETERMINE WHETHER IT IS COUNTY OWN. AND IF IT IS NOT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TOO HAVE THE COUNTY TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF IT.

IT IS A SHORT STRETCH OF ROAD THAT CONNECTS TO THE ROAD ON THE LAKE.

WE HAVE 14 LAKEFRONT RESIDENTS THAT USE THIS ROAD EVERY DAY, CALLING ME -- COMING AND GOING AND THEY EACH PAY A HEFTY REAL ESTATE TAX BILL EACH YEAR. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW RESIDENTS NOT ON THE LAKE, THAT ALSO USE THE ROAD EVERY DAY. IT IS A REAL PROBLEM WHEN WE NEED EMERGENCY HELP THEY OFTEN TIMES CANNOT FIND US DOWN THERE. IT IS ALSO A PROBLEM FOR THE TRASH PICKUP. THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN TO MY HOUSE FROM 2-3 NEIGHBORS UP TO GET TO MY HOUSE. THAT'S HOW BAD THE CONDITION IS. THIS ROAD HAS NOT BEEN GRADED.

THE RIGHT-OF-WAY HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED ON EITHER SIDE AS FAR AS THE TREES AND VINES.

IT IS A BIG PROBLEM AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO DO SOMETHING A BOUT IT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER IF IT IS PUBLIC OR

PRIVATE WE WILL MAKE SURE WE GET IT TO YOU. >> RICHARD SMITH IS TO THE RIGHT

SO IF YOU CAN ENGAGE. >> TRAVIS, COME ON DOWN. >> TRAVIS CHRISTIANSEN, REPRESENTING ALL OF THE CAUCUS OF CLAY COUNTY STILL HOPING TO AVOID A TAX INCREASE, EVEN GOOD.H IT'S NOT LOOKING TOO- IT IS STILL OPTIMISTIC THAT THEY MAY NOT REACH INTO OUR POCKETS THIS YEAR. EVERYONE I KNOW, VERY HIGH OPINION OF FIRST RESPONDERS.

THERE LOOKING AT THIS LIKE IF YOU ARE AGAINST TAX INCREASES YOUR AGAINST FIRST RESPONDERS.

I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. THEY MAY JUST THROW YOU GUYS A PARADE FOR RAISING THEIR TAXES.

BUT, I LOOK AT IT AT ANOTHER WAY. IF WHAT IS PROPOSED IS THE APPROPRIATE FUNDING FOR POLICE, FIRE AND EMS, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GETTING THAT ALL ALONG.

ALL OF THE YEARS I'VE BEEN GOING TO THE MEETINGS, IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN LIKE, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO REPLACE THE FIRE TRUCK OR FIX THE FIRE STATION OR GIVE OUT RAISES THIS YEAR.

THE COUNTY BUDGET IS WHAT IT IS BUT IF YOU CAN AFFORD ONE THING BUT NOT THE OTHERS BECAUSE OF SPENDING PRIOR TRANSLATIONS, MY FEELING IS NOT AGAINST FIRST RESPONDERS, WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN GETTING THIS ALL ALONG. YOU SHOULD GO AHEAD WITH IT. BUT COMING BACK AND SAYING WE SHOULD PAY EXTRA, WHEN OTHER THINGS ARE PRIORITIZE, I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT.

YOU HAVE A LARGE BUDGET. I NOTE THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY IN THE BUDGET, BUT I AM SURE IF YOU WANTED TO YOU COULD MOVE SOME MONEY AROUND TO COVER THAT AND GIVE US WHAT THIS IS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SERVICE. >>> THANK YOU.

MR. BROWN, YOU ARE UP NEXT. FOLLOWED BY DALE CARTER. >> MY NAME IS REX BROWN.

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I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE SERVICES REQUIRED. GARBAGE AND YARD DEBRIS.

WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, THAT AREA HAS BEEN A SUBDIVISION SINCE THE EARLY 20S.

IT TOOK A LONG TIME TO GET THE ROADS PAVED WHERE WE PAID A LOT OF TAXES ON THE LAKEFRONT PROPERTIES OUT THERE. EMS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OUT THERE, ONE THING WE DO HAVE, THEY EMS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT SUBDIVISION, ONE HAS KINGSLEY LAKE DRIVE HAS NARROW LOTS, AND THEY HAVE PLANS OUT THERE.

THEY HAVE ACTUALLY MAPPED IT OUT AND HOW TO GET TO IT. THE PROBLEM IS TREES AND THE RIGHT OF WAYS, IF THEY GET BLOCKED, IT PUTS THE CITIZENS AT RISK.

>> MR. BROWN IF YOU HAD SOMETHING TO LEAVE FOR US AND ENTERED INTO THE RECORD, IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT WITH THE YOUNG LADIES HERE THEY CAN GET IT FOR YOU.

>> THESE ARE THE NUMBERS LIKE TALKED ABOUT. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> THIS IS THE LAST OF THE CARDS THAT I HAVE. >> WE CAN STILL COLLECT THEM.

>> I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE GUN RANGE. WE MET FRIDAY WITH YOUR ENGINEERING. I THINK I GAVE YOU ALL A PIECE OF PAPER.

IT SHOWS $400,000 WORTH OF MESS UPS. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT IS SUBSTANDARD, THEY WERE GOING TO GET A CONTRACTOR TONIGHT A JOB AND I THINK IT IS SOMETHING YOU NEED TO LOOK AT BETTER. WHEN YOU HANDOUT SOMETHING THAT IS GIVING OUT MONEY AND YOU TURN AROUND AND YOU ARE ASKING THESE PEOPLE TO PAY MORE TAXES, IT IS A CATCH-22. YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE FIVE THINGS THAT SHOW CLOSE TO $4,000. I THINK YOUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT HAS FIGURED OUT MORE STUFF. THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE THROWN AWAY AND STARTED OVER.

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THE ENGINEER CAN ONLY DESIGN WHAT YOU GIVE THEM. EVIDENTLY IT IS COMING FROM SOMETHING IN THE COMMISSION LIKE YOUR STAFF, BECAUSE, THAT ENGINEER CAN ONLY DESIGN WHAT HE IS TOLD TO DESIGN. IF NOT YOU HAVE AN ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT SHOULD BE SHOWN THE DIRT YOU HAVE A BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT SHOULD SHOW THE PLAN SPIRIT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT HOW YOU CAN FIX THIS. THIS IS A POOR SET UP. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A DOG POUND COMING UP, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER STUFF COMING UP WHAT IF THIS IS THE SAME WAY.

YOU NEED SOMEONE TO LOOK OVER THIS STUFF. EVEN IF IT IS A PRIVATE PERSON.

ONE CONTRACTOR MAY HAVE SHOWED YOU $400,000 WITHIN A MATTER OF HOURS.

THERE'S NO TELLING WHAT ELSE IS IN HERE. YOU WANT IT BY DECEMBER 1.

YOU NO GOOD AND WELL IF YOU WANT SOMETHING FAST YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.

THIS IS A SIX MONTH JOB. YOU SAVE MONEY RIGHT OFF OF THE BAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN A HURRY. THAT IS WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO PAY FOR BEFORE WE WE GOT WITH HIM AND ASK QUESTIONS. YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO WATCH AFTER OUR TAXPAYER MONEY AND SOMEONE DROPPED THE BALL ON THIS. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. COUNTY MANAGER, CAN WE GET SOMEONE TO FLIP THE SWITCH I

DON'T THINK WE PUT THE SPOTLIGHTS ON THIS. >> THERE WE GO.

PERFECT. >> MR. HODGES. >>> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS. I SPOKE TO THE STAFF INITIALLY INCLUDING ENGINEERS AND LOOKED OVER SOME OF THE PLANS. IT BECAME APPARENT TO US THAT THERE IS A LOT OF COST SAVINGS. AS REPRESENTATIVES OF THE COUNTY YOU GUYS ARE RESPONSIBLE.

THE SIMPLE THINGS THAT MAY BE A 300,000-DOLLAR OR 400,000-DOLLAR CHANGE ADDS UP.

IT ADDS UP AT THE END OF THE DAY. WE LOOK AT THE PARKING LOT STRUCTURE. IT'S EASY TO SAVE MONEY ON IT. THINK OF THE ASPHALT.

I'M NOT POINTING FINGERS I AM JUST SAYING ALL OF THIS AS A WHOLE SOMETHING WAS DONG WRONG.

THE OUTSIDE ENGINEERS EVERYONE. QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AND ANSWERS WERE GIVEN THAT WE WERE TOLD WE WANT SOMETHING NICE AND CLAY COUNTY. WE DO WANT SOMETHING NICE BUT WE CANNOT MAINTAIN MOST OF WHAT WE HAVE. IF WE WANT A PROJECT LIKE THIS, YOU CANNOT PUT OUT A PROPOSAL AND SAY WE WANT YOU TO START THIS BY DECEMBER 1.

WITH ALL OF THE COVID-19 STUFF GOING ON DO YOU NOW MANY CONTRACTORS, 14 THAT WILL REFUSE TO BID THIS. I JUST WANT TO SAY WE ARE PUTTING A STAKE IN THE SAND AND IN THE MEETING THE OTHER DAY THEY SAID WE WILL WAIVE THE DAMAGES JUST SEND US A LETTER AND TELL US WHAT YOU ARE HAVING A PROBLEM WITH. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THAT.

WHY WOULD ANYONE BID IT. THOSE BIDS COULD HAVE CHANGED THE FINAL OUTCOME.

I AM JUST ASKING IN THE FUTURE, PLEASE SIT DOWN, LET'S NOT JUST SAY WE WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING AND THROW MONEY AT IT. I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING. AND THE PLANTS I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN ENOUGH ORDERS THAT WILL BE ISSUED, YOU WILL BE ANOTHER $500,000 INTO THIS EASILY.

YOU NEED TO GET PEOPLE TO LOOK THIS OVER TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE DONE EVERYTHING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE? MR. OTTO.

>> YES, JAMES OTTO CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA. I WOULD ASK THAT WE TURN TO LET THE ZOOM COMMENTS COME BACK ON FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND VOTERS. LET'S GET SOME TRANSPARENCY

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I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE CITIZENS E-MAIL THE COMMISSIONERS INSTEAD OF CALLING THEM. THE MEETINGS USED TO SAVE 4-6:0T LEAST UNTIL 10:00 P.M.

I LOOKED AT THE AGENDA. THERE IS NO WAY THIS WILL BE 2-3 HOURS UNDONE) FOOTBALL IS CHILD ABUSE. UNFORTUNATELY WE LOST ADDISON DAVIS.

WE ARE TRYING TO TEACH KIDS HOW TO WHERE A MASKS IN SCHOOL BUT YOU ARE RUNNING THEM INTO EACH OTHER. THAT IS SO HYPOCRITICAL. I WOULD LIKE THE CITIZENS TO LOOK AT MARION COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETINGS. THEY ARE LOOKING AT DOING IT.

A MORATORIUM BECAUSE OF THE WATER. THEY CANNOT PUT THE WATER TO THE HOUSE IN THERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WILL DO THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL SOME OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS, THIS WISH LIST, I AGREE WITH THE OTHER FOLKS, ONE MINUTE YOU GUYS ARE CRYING ABOUT MONEY AND SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE UPSET WHEN HER KIDS DOES NOT HAVE FIBER BUT WE ARE OPENING MORE PARKS AND OTHER AREAS WHERE THE IMPACT FEES WERE NOT EVEN PAID.

WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK BETTER AT WHAT WE ARE DOING. THIS HAVE TO AS A CHILD.

YOU ARE MAKING US TAKE OUR HATS OFF. WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN.

WHAT IS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT. IF YOU ARE STANDING AND THERE'S A FIRE YOU CAN GET OUT. THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH FIRE CODES WHEN PEOPLE SIT DOWN IF YOU WANT TO RESEARCH THE FIRE CODE LAWS. BUT TO MAKE CITIZENS SIT DOWN CONTROL WHEN THEY CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM, THIS IS ABSURD WHAT GOES ON IN THE MEETING ROOM. 0% ORDINANCE IN FEDERAL COURT FOR 20 YEARS. A BAD ECONOMY IS WHEN YOU BUILD PARKS.

THIS IS JUST LIKE 2006 ALL OVER AGAIN. YOU GUYS ARE SPENDING MONEY LEFT AND RIGHT. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THIS ALL CRASHES.

YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS FISH GAME AND THINGS THAT ARE BEING CLOSED AND THE VACANT BUILDINGS, BUT

YOU ARE BUILDING. >> THANK YOU, ANYONE ELSE? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THE END.

[CONSENT AGENDA]

TO PULL? >> AS FAR AS THE CONSENT AGENDA, WE HAVE A FINANCIAL AGREEMENT AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION AGENDA FOR FULL REVIEW. THE ONES WE RECOMMEND FOR FULL REVIEW, MAKE THE AGENDA. THE ONES WE RECOMMEND FOR CONSENT DO NOT MAKE THE AGENDA.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC ORGANIZATIONS THAT I HAVE BEEN PART OF THAT HAS NOT LISTED THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

THEY ARE HIDDEN IN THE MINUTES. WHEN YOU APPROVE THE MINUTES THAT IS NOT APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE PUT THEM ON THE AGENDA SO WE CAN SEE THOSE TRANSPARENTLY.

IT JUST CAME TO MY ATTENTION AT THIS MEETING THAT THE CONSENT ITEMS ARE NOT LISTED AND THEY SHOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS BEEN A PRACTICE OF THE PAST,.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION, WE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND IN TERMS OF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR TODAY, WE HAVE A MOTION? ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

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[7.  Black Creek Pilot Study Project - SJRWMD (Vincent Seibold)]

WE HAVE VINCENT FROM THE WATER. >> MEANT DISTRICT TO GIVE US AN UPDATE ON THE BLACK PILOT

PROJECT. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE A STATUS UPDATE. IN PARTICULAR I WANT TO BRIEF YOU ON A PILOT STUDY CONDUCTED AT THE CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES FACILITY OKAY DOWNSTATE ROAD THE BLACK CREEK PROJECT WILL REPLENISH USING EXCESS FLOW FROM BLACK CREEK.

THE FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT WAS PROVIDED IN ST. JOHNS RIVER LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATIONS THE TOTAL APPROPRIATION WAS OVER 48 MILLION. 48 MILLION WAS DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT. AND THE WATER FLOW FROM BLACK CREEK DURING HIGH WATER.

DURING THESE PERIODS. THE WATER WOULD BE PUMPED THROUGH THE PIPELINE TOWARDS CAMP LANDING. THE BLACK CREEK PROJECT IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROJECTS CURRENTLY IN THE DESIGN PHASE. SO WHAT WAS THE PILOT STUDY NEEDED.

THE DISTRICT ORIGINALLY PURSUED ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE THAT WOULD HAVE NEGATED THE NEED FOR TREATING WATER FOR BLACK CREEK. COVER DUE TO CONCERNS FROM FEDERAL AGENCIES TO DELAY THE PROJECT WE BEGAN TO PURSUE A DETAILED ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT ANALYSIS IN THE LATE SUMMER 2020. AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS NUMEROUS OPTIONS WERE CONSIDERED.

WHICH INCLUDED COAGULATION, OXIDATION, ABSORPTION, IRON EXCHANGE, AND BIOLOGICAL PROCESSES. OVER 30 TREATMENT ALTERNATIVES WERE EVALUATED BASED ON THEIR ABILITY SUCH AS RESIDUALS, GENERAL CAPITAL CALLS THAT THE ABILITY TO TREAT OTHER AREAS OF CONCERN AND THE FOOTPRINT REQUIRED FOR CONSTRUCTION OPERATION.

THE ALTERNATIVES WERE REDUCED TO FIVE AND WE SETTLED ON A TREATMENT.

THIS WAS PROVIDED BY THE INVESTMENT GROUP THE BEST ALTERNATIVE FOR THE PROJECT AND PLANNING LEVEL COST, AND LIFECYCLE COSTS. THE SYSTEM MET THE REDUCTION LEVELS REQUIRED MOST COST-EFFECTIVE, AND THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT.

TH PHOTO ON THIS LINE IS OF THE SYSTEM CURRENTLY IN PLACE THIS WAS PUMPED AND DISTRIBUTED OVER THE ONE-POINT ACREAGE YOU SEE HERE. THIS VEGETATED FILTRATION BED THAT REMOVES PHOSPHORUS AS SHOWN IN THE PHOTO THIS IS OFF OF STATE ROAD 16.

THE DISTRICT IS EXTREMLY GRATEFUL TO HAVE CLAY COUNTY AS A CRITICAL PARTNER ON THIS PROJECT. WE WANT TO THANK THE STAFF INVOLVED WITH ASSISTING WITH THE

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THE WATER IS PUMPED TO A PILOT PLAN NEAR THE FACILITY. NOW MORE DETAILS.

ON THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE THE TANK. THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT SHOWS A CLOSE-UP OF THE BOX, WITH PLANTS THAT SERVE AS THE TREATMENT SYSTEM.

BLACK CREEK WAS SENT THROUGH ON A CONTINUOUS BASIS. THE WATER QUALITY PARAMETERS AND A PARTICULAR COLOR BEING TESTED FOR THE TREATMENT. THE PILOT STUDY RESULTS ARE BEING USED TO DETERMINE COSTS AND PROVIDE ENGINEERING OF DESIGN THAT MAY LEAD TO LOWER OPERATION COSTS. TAKE THESE PHOTOS ARE FROM THE MARCH 26 PILOT STUDY KICKOFF EVENT. AGAIN, MANY THANKS TO THE STAFF THAT MADE THE EVENT POSSIBLE.

WHAT ABOUT RESULTS. THE REMOVAL OF COLOR FROM BLACK CREEK.

YOU CAN SEE THE INFLOW COLOR ON THE FAR RIGHT THE TREATED WATER DEMONSTRATING 88% TREATMENT EFFICIENCY FOUR-COLOR REMOVAL. BASED ON DATA SOME MORE WE ARE CONFIDENT THE FULL SCALE TREATMENT WILL MEET ALL QUALITY STANDARDS FOR THE DISCHARGE IN LAKE BROOKLYN.

ON THE NEXT LINE I WILL GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS ON THE PROJECT STATUS.

CURRENTLY THE DISTRICT IS ANTICIPATING THE PERMITS FOR SURFACE WATER DISCHARGE INTO ALLIGATOR CREEK AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE PERMIT, FOR THE PROJECT IN DECEMBER 2021. BOTH OF THESE STATE PERMITS MUST BE ISSUED BEFORE THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS CAN ISSUE THE PERMIT ADDRESSING WETLANDS AND WATER QUALITY CERTIFICATION WHICH IS ANTICIPATED IN JANUARY 2022. THE REMAINDER OF THE TIMELINE IS DEPENDING ON THE NEXT ISSUE. FOR CONSTRUCTION BID, THE GOVERNING BOARD BID, AND CONSTRUCTION AWARD MUST BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO BEGINNING THE PROJECT.

WE ANTICIPATE IT TO START APRIL 2022. THE PROJECT WILL THEN TAKE APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS TO COMPLETE. AT THIS JUNCTURE I WILL TAKE ANY

QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS. I JUST WANT THE -- THE GALLON

WATER DRUGS -- JUGS ARE THERE DATES ON THAT? >> THE FOURTH OF JULY THIS YEAR.

>> WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ONES THAT SHOWED COLOR AND THE FINALS OTHER THAN YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THE COLOR OFF. HOW IS THAT PROCESS. HOW DID YOU MAKE THAT

DETERMINATION? >> GOOD QUESTION. BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO GET THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THE MEDIA, THE JUGS ON THE FAR RIGHT, WHEN ONE PASSES THROUGH, IT HAS A PLAN IN A THE OTHERS ARE UNDER A ROOF THIS IS TO AGE THE MEDIA TO SEE WHEN WE WILL GET A BREAKTHROUGH AND HOW LONG IT WILL LAST. THAT IS WHY YOU SEE A DARKER

COLOR. >> OKAY. >> YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF OPERATIONAL COSTS TO RUN THIS PLANT, YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON FIVE ME, IS ANYTHING BEEN STUDY ON THE? AND WE ARE STILL GETTING THE DATA.

THE MEDIA IS PROJECTING AND THAT IS WHAT THIS PILOT STUDY WILL VERIFY.

I MEAN,,. >> THE MEDIA? >> FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS PROBABLY

A FIVE TO SIX YEARS LIFECYCLE. >> YOU ARE TALKING FLUENT. >> WE ARE TARGETING COLOR AS I& SAID. THAT IS THE BIGGEST CONCERN AND THE MEDIA RIGHT NOW IS

DEMONSTRATING THE CYCLE. >> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.

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THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> MOVED TO NUMBER EIGHT. >> COMMISSIONERS, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DELAY THIS A

[8.  Lobbyist Update - Joe Mobley]

THANK YOU FOR AGREEING TO THIS. I THINK, THROUGH MR. LATHAM WE WERE ABLE TO GET THIS UPDATE.

BASICALLY A RECAP OF THE SESSION AS WELL AS OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WORKED ON WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. THOSE ITEMS ARE THERE, INCLUDING THE POLICY MATTERS.

AND MEETING WITH MR. LATHAM, WE DECIDED TO PRESENT THE COMMISSION WITH SOME BROAD CATEGORIES FOR NEXT YEAR. WE WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THOSE AND ULTIMATELY WE WILL DECIDE WHAT TO TAKE TO THE DELEGATION TO PURSUE NEXT YEAR. WITH THAT, I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER

ANY QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION. WE KNOW IT WAS A TOUGH SESSION.

WHEN YOU ANTICIPATE THIS COMING YEAR? WILL IT BE DIFFERENT?

>> IT'S TOUGH TO SAY. RIGHT NOW IT'S UP TO DICTATE WITH COVID.

THE LAST SESSION WAS BETTER THAN WE THOUGHT. YOU HAD FEDERAL DOLLARS COMING IN WHICH HELPED A LOT. BUT FLORIDA REOPENING, THAT PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN.

FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, WE ENDED UP BEING GREAT. THIS YEAR IS TOUGH TO SAY.

IT SEEMS WE ARE LOOKING AT A HIGHER SPIKE INCH COVID-19. IT WILL LEAD TO SHUTDOWNS BUT DO WE KNOW IF IT WILL IMPACT TOURISM. I HATE TO GIVE YOU A NON- ANSWER

BUT AT THIS POINT, IT IS TOUGH TO TELL. >> TWO ISSUES WHICH I WILL PASS ALONG TO CHARLIE FOR CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST IS VERY MUCH LIKE THEY DID WITH HELPING OUT THE EDUCATION SIDE OF THE COMPONENT AS FAR AS GIVING TEACHERS MONEY.

I ALREADY APPROACHED US ABOUT HELPING STARTING SALARIES WITH FIRST RESPONDERS.

MAYBE THERE IS STATE MONEY THAT COULD BE FREED UP. MAYBE IF IT'S NOT IN TERMS OF ALL OF THE COUNTIES, UNDER THE 220,000 MARK OR ABOVE, WHEREVER BE FIT.

I THINK THAT MAY BE WORTHWHILE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT TEACHERS AS ESSENTIAL.

SOME OF THE SMALLER COUNTIES IN THE MID-RANGE COULD USE THAT ASSISTANCE.

MAY BE ONE. THE OTHER WAS, THE STATE PASSED THE ONLINE SALES TAX BUT THEY DID IT AT THE 6% RATES. THEY CUT OUT THE LOCAL GUYS FROM COLLECTING.

I AM WONDERING IF WE COULD GET A PORTION OF THAT. THE INCREASE WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. IT HAPPENED LAST YEAR. TANGIBLE BEEN I AM WRONG BUT I DON'T THINK SO. THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO LOOK AT AS WELL.

WE CAN ALSO LOOK AT OTHER THINGS. ONE OTHER ASPECT IS THE BRICK-AND-MORTAR FOLKS ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE BECAUSE THEY ARE CHARGED BECAUSE WE HAVE THE 1

CENT INFRASTRUCTURE. >> I WILL ADD THOSE AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH.

>> ANYONE ELSE WITH QUESTIONS OR THOUGHTS, I'M -- I THINK I HAVE SPOKE TO YOU PRIVATELY ABOUT THE FIRST RESPONDER SALARY. SOMETHING THE GOVERNOR PUT OUT, HE HAS A PROPOSAL THAT HAS

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I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF, CONCERNS WITH TOURISM BUT THE NEIGHBORS OF TOURISM AND LOCATIONS.

I HAVE MORE THAN ONE LOCATION IN MY DISTRICT WHERE THAT HAS BECOME AN ISSUE.

BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, I THINK THE NORMAL THINGS PEOPLE FOCUS ON ARE APPROPRIATE AND I APPRECIATE

THAT. >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. WE KNOW IT WAS A TOUGH SESSION BUT THE DELEGATION WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH THEIR COLLEAGUES AND GIVE MONEY FOR PROGRAMS THAT ARE

ONGOING AS WELL AS OTHER PROGRAMS. >> ALSO, EVERYTHING IS ON THE CALENDAR ASSUMING WE ARE IN PERSON THAT WOULD HAPPEN. BUT I WOULD SAY BE FLEXIBLE.

AND COMMISSIONER, WE SPOKE AND CAUGHT -- TALKED ABOUT COMMUNICATION ISSUES.

>> WE BROUGHT UP ONE ISSUE LIKE THE FEES. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE SEEN THAT. JUST TO MAKE SURE. WE WANT TO COMMUNICATE TO BASE

PERIOD. >> IF YOU CAN ENCOURAGE AND IS NOT OUR LOCAL LEGISLATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT BROADBAND AND TALLAHASSEE IN WASHINGTON.

IT DOES NOT FILTER DOWN TO DOING ANYTHING IN A TIMELY MANNER. THE LAST WE HEARD, THEY WERE NOW TALKING ABOUT ANOTHER STUDY AS IF, THE STATE STUDY COULD BE BETTER THAN THE FEDERAL STUDY.

WE CAN GIVE THEM A STUDY. TROY KNOWS THE ADDRESS OF WHERE THE BROADBAND DOES NOT WORK.

IF THEY CAN STOP TRYING TO GET CREDIT FOR IT AND DO SOMETHING, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AND NOT JUST THESE, FUND ONE SOURCE, ACTUALLY MAKE THESE PROVIDERS HAVE TO DO SOMETHING FOR,

FLORIDA TAXPAYERS. >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> , ABSOLUTELY KEEP A BIG -- I ON THAT. >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR WORK.

>> REALLY QUICK MR. CHAIR, I SPENT SOME TIME WITH JOE WE HAVE SOME EXCITING THINGS GOING ON.

IF WE LOOK AT THINGS THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT TO US THIS YEAR. WE'RE LOOKING AT APPROPRIATION AS LEGISLATION TYPE ISSUES. I WANT TO SEE THAT CONTINUE. WATER AND DRAINAGE.

BROADBAND EXPANSION. MOLD LITIGATION. PLAYGROUNDS.

FAIRGROUNDS. PARKS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION. THIS IS ALWAYS VERY IMPORTANT.

THIS IS A GOING AWAY WILL COME BACK. IT WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ESPECIALLY WITH WATER TREATMENT PLANS. THIS STARTED ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE PANTS WERE INVENTED. THERE'S A LOT OF FACILITIES WE HAVE I CAN'T REMEMBER THE TERM.

BUT IT WAS THINGS THAT NEVER GO AWAY. PRIMARILY, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH, WE ARE LOOKING AT GETTING STATE ASSISTANCE FOR INFECTIONS AND REMEDIATION.

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THE WE HAVE MOORISH. >> WE HAVE MARSHES? >> NOTHING NEW.

>> NO. >> LET'S MOVE TO COVID-19 UPDATE.

[9.  COVID Update]

>> LET'S GO OVER THE CASES LIKE I USUALLY DO TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE ADD.

THE WEAKEST -- THE WEEK OF AUGUST 6-12 WE READ 1509 CASES WE STUDIED 1500 CASES.

LAST WEEK THAT ENDED ON THURSDAY , THE 19TH WE WERE AT 1263 WE ARE SEEING SOME TRENDS THAT ARE GOING DOWN. 594 PER LAST FOUR DAYS. , SO KEEP OUR FINGERS CROSSED.

THE ONLY THING ICA PIPIT IN, 20% OF THE CASES, 594 ARE IN THE 5-14 -YEAR-OLDS.

YOU ARE SEEING THEM IN YOUNG KIDS NOW THAT SCHOOL IS OPEN. WE ARE SEEING A PIPIT AND THE YOUNG PEOPLE NOW THAT THEY ARE CONGREGATING. THE POSITIVITY RATE IS DOWN.

THE GOAL IS TO GET UNDER 10%. AT ONE POINT AND MAY BRAD 5%. WE CAN GET THERE, WE JUST HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE SEARCH. VACCINATIONS HAVE GROWN BUT THE GROWTH HAS SLOWED.

WE ARE AT 42% FULLY VACCINATED. THE LOTUS GROUP, TENDS TO BE THE GROUP THAT ARE BRILLIANTLY SMART. THE MY MY HOUSE. MOST SITES ARE TWO DAYS OUT.

THE GOODNESS IS EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WAS ABLE TO GET A CONTRACT THAT WILL COMMON AND DO THE TESTING. WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE TO PUT THE TESTING.

I WILL START TOMORROW. BAYFRONT MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY 9-5:00 P.M.

ANYBODY'S, PEOPLE WHO ARE COVID-19 POSITIVE OR PEOPLE WHO HAVE KNOWN EXPOSURE, CAN GO AND GET ANYBODY'S. IT DOES UPDATE 70% REDUCTION IN HOUSE LIMITATIONS.

ALL YOU NEED TO DO TO GET IT IS TO SHOW UP AND HAVE AN ID. WITH THAT I WILL BE GLAD TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. ONE LAST THING, WE DO HAVE APPROVED FOR EMERGENCY USE OPERATION FOR THIRD THOSE FOR IMMUNOCOMPROMISED INDIVIDUALS. I WOULD SHOW UP, I WOULD SAY CSI. FOR MY THIRD DOSE THEY WILL GIVE ME THE SHOT.

THIS IS FOR THE VACCINATION. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH J&J. IF YOU RECEIVED MODERNA OR PFIZER AND YOU HAVE HAD AN ORGAN TRANSPLANT YOU ARE ON MEDICATION OR OTHER THINGS, YOU CAN SELF ATTEST TO GETTING A THIRD DOSE. NOTHING HAS BEEN YET OF BEING FULLY VACCINATED.

IT'S THE ONLY VACCINE THAT HAS GONE TO FULL APPROVAL BY THE FDA.

THIS OTHERS ARE STILL UNDER EMERGENCY USE OPERATION. WITH THAT I CAN TAKE ANY

QUESTIONS. >> CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE CHILDREN WITH GETTING THE KIDS

VACCINATED. >> THOSE OVER 12-YEARS-OLD CAN GET VACCINATED.

THE CHILDREN YOUNGER THAN ARE STILL IN CLINICAL TRIALS I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THEY ARE.

I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE DOING IT DOWN TO SIX MONTHS. >> THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE KID

SHE HAD? >> 12 AND OLDER. >> UNDER 12.

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>> NO, SIR. >> I'M A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, LAST YEAR THEY SAID CHILDREN COULD NOT GET IT, THE YOUNGER CHILDREN DID NOT WEAR FACE CUPBOARDS AND NOW THEY ARE SAYING THEY ARE THE SUPER SPREADERS. CAN YOU SPEAK TO,.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS THERE SO MUCH CHANGING AND THE INFORMATION, I OBVIOUSLY HAVE HALF OF THE CASES IN MY DISTRICT AND THERE'S A LOT OF MISTRUST OF ANYTHING ANYONE IS SAYING. THEN YOU CAN TURN ON THE NIGHTLY NEWS AND YOU HEAR DIFFERENT OPINIONS AND YOU CAN SEE DIFFERENT VIDEOS. I THINK, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE SAYING, I DO NOT KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE WHAT TO BELIEVE OR WHO TO TRUST SO I DON'T TRUST

ANYTHING. >> IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE THE DISEASE AND THE VACCINES HAVE BEEN SO POLITICIZED THAT UNFORTUNATELY IT HAS LED TO A LOT OF MISINFORMATION. THE CDC IS STILL YOUR FRIENDS ARE NOT THE BEST RESOURCE FOR INFORMATION. SO PEOPLE CAN CALL US IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS.

THE MESSAGE I HEARD LAST YEAR, CHILDREN WERE LESS LIKELY TO BE THE CAUSE THAT THEY WOULD BE AND THIS IS THE DELTA VARIANT. WE ARE IN A DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCE.

THE VIRUS DOES NOT KNOW YOUR AGE, IT JUST SMELLS THE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO REPLICATE AND MUTATE TO SURVIVE. WHAT I WOULD SAY OF THE KIDS, KIDS ARE PROBABLY LESS LIKELY TO BE HAND WASHERS AND TO GET YOU SOCIAL DISTANCING SO TO ME THEY WILL BE MORE OF A SPREADER AND MORE ASYMPTOMATIC LAST YEAR AND PROBABLY NOT HAVE A POOR OUTCOME.

BUT THE DELTA VARIANT IS A GAME CHANGER. >> IF IT IS A GAME CHANGER AND THEY ARE TELLING US LAMBDA WILL BE WORSE, WHAT WE DO THEN? I READ THIS MORNING, THERE WAS A COUNTY COMMISSIONER WAS FULLY VACCINATED AND NICU ON A VENTILATOR.

HOW DO YOU ARE WE SUPPOSED TO WEAR A FACE COVERING FOR EVERYTHING YOU SEE ON THE NEWS THAT THE CLOTH MASK VENERABLE MADE ART 20% EFFECTIVE. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND

INFORMATION. >> I TRIED NOT TO BE PESSIMISTIC I TRIED TO BE OPTIMISTIC.

WE WILL COME OUT OF THIS BUT I DON'T KNOW WHEN. WE MADE IT OUT OF THE PANDEMIC FLU AND THE SPANISH FLU, IT TOOK US SEVERAL YEARS, LOTS OF PEOPLE DIED.

WE KNOW MORE TODAY WITH MEASURES. WE DO KNOW THAT CLOTH MASKS IS MORE OF A BARRIER. THERE ARE LAYERS OF PROTECTION. WHEN YOU GO AND HAVE HEART SURGERY YOUR DOCTORS WHERE A MASK FOR REASON IT IS A SOURCE CONTROL.

IT IS NOT BE ALL AND ALL. BUT THE PRIMARY PREVENTION WE HAVE TO DATE THAT DOES NOT PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING COVID-19 BUT PREVENTS YOU FROM HAVING POOR OUTCOMES, I DO KNOW THAT IS TO BE VACCINATED. YOU HAVE AN IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO FIGHT THE VIRUS.

I WISH I COULD FORECAST. I WISH I COULD SAY, WE ONLY HAVE FIVE MORE MONTHS OF THIS.

I THINK WE ARE ALL FATIGUE. I AM FATIGUED MY STAFF IS FATIGUE.

I THINK THIS IS THE FOURTH SURGE OF COVID-19 THAT WE ARE IN. I THINK SOMETIMES WE DID NOT SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW YORK CITY UP TO US IN THE BEGINNING SO PEOPLE ARE SAYING, THE SKY IS FALLING. YOU KNOW THAT OLD CHICKEN LITTLE TAIL.

THIS IS REAL. WHEN YOU HAVE CALLS WITH HOSPITALS TO TALK ABOUT THEIR CAPACITY, HOW SOON THEY CAN TURN AROUND EMERGENCY VEHICLES BECAUSE THE CALLS ARE SO LONG AS THEY ARE HAVING RECORD NUMBERS OF CALLS. I THINK WE ARE GOING ON THE DOWNWARD SLIDE. NORTHEAST FLORIDA WAS THE PRIMARY AREA USUALLY IT'S IN THE SOUTHEAST OR SOUTHWEST BUT YOU ARE SEEING IT ON THE NEWS. THEY ARE SEEN IT IN ALL OVER FLORIDA WHERE WE WERE TO HAPPEN THREE WEEKS AGO. IF YOU LOOK HISTORICALLY WHERE

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IT TOOK MONTHS BEFORE THEY SAW A DOWNWARD TREND AND WE ARE RIGHT AT THE TWO MONTH MARKET RIGHT NOW. IF WE ARE FOLLOWING THE SAME TREND, HOPEFULLY WE WILL BE THERE. BUT AS FAR AS THE CRYSTAL BALL, I CAN ONLY TELL THE PEOPLE WHAT I HAVE LEARNED, AND TO PROVIDE THE MITIGATION STRATEGIES. I DO NOT LIKE WEARING A MASK EITHER. BUT I KNOW IF I AM SICK I WON'T GIVE IT TO OTHERS.

IT IS ALSO CREATING A BARRIER FOR ME TOO NOT GET IT. I HAVE HAD STAFF WHO WERE

VACCINATED AND THEY WERE PRETTY SICK BUT NOT THE HOSPITAL. >> LASTLY, AREN'T THEY WORKING, THEY WORKED REALLY HARD ON THE VACCINES FOR THE NOVEL VIRUS AND NOW THEY ARE SEEN BREAKTHROUGH CASES IN SOME CASES, A LOT OF CASES WITH THE DELTA, ARE THEY WORKING ON THESE VACCINES WITH

THE LAMBDA. >> EVERY TIME THEY PUT OUT BOOSTER SHOT IT'S NOT ONLY A WEANING EFFECT THEY WILL TWEAK THE VACCINE TO MEET THE VIRUS NEEDS.

WE CALLED IT CHASING THE VIRUS. THAT IS WHAT WE DO WITH THE FLU EACH YEAR.

WE HAVE TO CHASE IT BECAUSE WE CANNOT GET IN FRONT OF IT. WE HAVE TO CHASE THE VIRUS.

NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE GOT VACCINATED QUICKLY ENOUGH TO DETERRED THE MUTATIONS CREATED AND NOW WE ARE PLAYING CHASE THE VIRUS. WE ARE ALMOST LIKE A COUPLE OF MONTHS BEHIND.

THE MANUFACTURERS, THE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES ARE TRYING TO TWEAK IT.

NOT ONLY THE WEANING EFFECT OF THE SPIKE PROTEINS, BUT ALSO TO BE ABLE TO COUNTERACT THE NEW BEARINGS THAT HAVE COME OUT. THE VACCINES NEVER SAID THEY WOULD BE ONE 100%.

WE ALWAYS KNEW THERE WOULD BE BREAKTHROUGH CASES. BUT PFIZER ANIMAL DHARNA WAS 94%. YOU STILL KNEW YOU WOULD HAVE THAT.

THAT IS THE PERCENTAGE WE ARE SEEING BREAKTHROUGH IN THIS COUNTY.

IT IS INTERESTING BECAUSE I HEAR A LOT, I HAD COVID-19 OR I GOT VACCINATED AND I GOT COVID-19 AGAIN. THEN WHEN WE LOOK THEM UP WE DO NOT SEE THAT.

WE DO NOT SEE WHERE THEY WERE COVID-19 POSITIVE OR VACCINATED. I THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE NOT

TRUTHFUL WITH THAT INFORMATION. >> I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATIONS. THE HOSPITALS MANDATED VACCINATIONS FOR NURSES. UNDER WHAT LAW, HOW DID THEY BYPASS HIPAA?

>> IS A PRIVATE ENTITY. IT IS AN AT WILL STATE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND PRIVATE ENTITIES CAN MANDATE WHAT THEY LIKE RELATED TO THEIR EMPLOYEES WORK IF THEY THINK YOU WILL GET A TB SCREENING AND THAT IS A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT THAT IS THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO BE.

>> THEY HAVE DONE IT FOR YEARS WITH THE FLU SHOTS AND OTHER INOCULATIONS.

MY WIFE WAS A NURSE FOR 35 YEARS. THE FLU SHOT WAS GIVEN TO THEM AND THEY SAID IF YOU DON'T HIT IT BY CERTAIN DATE, DON'T COME BACK.

THIS IS NOT NEW. >> CAN WE IMPLEMENT A POLICY LIKE THAT AT CLAY COUNTY.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD ASK. I WOULD HAVE TO ASK COURTNEY.

I THINK IT'S DIFFERENT THAN A PRIVATE ENTITY. IT'S WAY OUT OF BY PAYGRADE.

>> I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH EMPLOYMENT LAWYERS IN CONNECTION WITH THAT BECAUSE

THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDERS. >> IN THE LAST COMMEN I HAVE, WE ARE LOOKING FOR BARRIERS FOR IMMUNIZATION. WE HAVE THEREFORE PFIZER.

I THOUGH I HEARD TODAY THAT, WHAT IS THE OTHER ONE, BOLD OR NOT WAS ALSO FDA CERTIFIED.

>> NOT YET. THEY MAY HAVE SUBMITTED THE PAPERWORK BUT YESTERDAY THE FDA FULLY APPROVED PFIZER. IT TAKES MONTHS ONCE THEY SUBMIT THE PAPERWORK.

>> THEY ARE LIKE THREE WEEKS BEHIND. >> THE FACT THAT FDA APPROVED PFIZER AS GIVEN THE GREEN LIGHT, I WAS ONE OF THE HOLDUPS IN THE MILITARY.

I WILL ASK THIS QUESTION UNTIL WE DON'T TALK ABOUT IT, DO YOU KNOW OF ANYONE WHO HAS DIED FROM

THE INOCULATION? >> I DO NOT,. >> YOU PROBABLY HAVE KNOWN A LOT

OF PEOPLE DIED FROM THE DISEASE. THIS IS A SIMPLE SOLUTION. >> THIS IS ABOUT POLITICAL AFFILIATIONS. THIS VIRUS DOES NOT CARE. I WANT PEOPLE TO LIVE LONG AND HEALTHY LIVES. IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT CAN PREVENT THEM FROM DEADLY SICK.

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IT IS REALLY SAD AND FRUSTRATING WHEN YOU HEAR PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI- COVID-19 VACCINES AND THEY GET IT, AND IT IS TOO LATE. LATE. THEY ARE THERE AND THEY ARE SO SICK. WE ALSO HAVE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS.

WE CALLED THEM LONG HAULERS. THEY HAVE LONG TIME SYMPTOMS. I HAVE TWO STAFF MEMBERS LIKE THAT. THEY STILL HAVE COMPLICATIONS. NEITHER OF THEM ARE HOSPITALIZED. JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT IN THE HOSPITAL DOESN'T MEAN YOU WON'T

HAVE LONG TERM IMPACT SPIRIT. >> CAN YOU TELL THE LOCATION OF THE CURATIVE?

>> THAT'S AT MEGA PARK. 4317 COUNTY ROAD 218. IT WILL TAKE 24-48 HOURS FOR LAB TURNAROUND. AGAIN, THEY DO WANT YOU TO HAVE PROOF OF INDEMNIFICATION.

IT IS NOT REQUIRED TO GET TESTED. YOU CAN GO TO CURATIVE.COM AND

MAKE AN APPOINTMENT AND YOU CAN DO WALK UP. >> I KNOW THE NUMBERS ARE GREAT,

WHAT'S THE DEATH RATE COMPARED TO THE OTHER MONTHS. >> IT'S HARD BECAUSE WE ARE STILL IN A SURGE, WE CAN'T SEE DEATH DATA YET. I DON'T IMMEDIATELY KNOW EX- PERSON PASSED AWAY AND IT'S IN THE SYSTEM. IT MAY TAKE SEVERAL WEEKS FOR IT TO CATCH UP AND IT INTEGRATES WITH THE COMMUNAL DISEASE DATABASE FOR TO CATCH UP AND SAY THIS PERSON ABBETT DEATH DIAGNOSES OF COVID-19 AND LINK THE CASES UP TOGETHER.

DO I HAVE DATA HEARING THE HOSPITAL CALLS, YES. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT CONTRACTING WITH FUNERAL HOMES SO WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR THE DECEASED, THAT IS A CONCERN.

>> MAKE YOU WHO HAVE A NUMBER SOON. IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THAT.

WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE VARIANCE. >> IT DOES NOT HAPPEN AS SIMULTANEOUSLY AS WE LIKE.

>> FOR UNEXPLAINED DEATHS SOME GET SENT TO GET SWABS AND WE MAKE IT COVID-19 DIAGNOSES OUT OF THOSE TOO. THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO IDENTIFY IF AN INDIVIDUAL HAS

PASSED FROM COVID-19. >> ONE LAST QUESTION, IS THERE ANYTHING AS THE COUNTY

GOVERNMENT WE CAN DO, THAT WE CAN HELP WITH? >> EVERY SIDE CONVERSATION YOU HAVE. EVERY TIME YOU CAN INTERACT WITH PEOPLE IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO CALL. CALL OUR CHAIR IN A INVESTIGATIONS LINE.

THEY DO CONTACT TRACING. THEY CAN PROVIDE YOU THE BEST INFORMATION.

PLEASE CONSIDER GETTING VACCINATED. IT IS A PRIMARY PREVENTION.

THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE WAITED FOR. WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE LIGHT SHINING BRIGHT I DON'T THINK WE

WOULD GOOD TODAY WITHOUT A. >> ONE OTHER POINT I READ IN THE PAPER GOT, WHICH USE AS AN

INDICATOR FOR ARE WE LOOKING AT PROTECTING THE WORK. >> I'VE HEARD THAT I HAVE NOT I WILL PUT THAT IN THE NOTES, I ALWAYS WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT INFORMATION BUT IT'S CURIOSITY AT MY END TOO. ONE OF THE THINGS THEY LOOK AT, THE REPRODUCTION VALUE OF A VIRUS IN A COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE DATA COMES FROM SO THAT MAY BE PART

OF IT. >> MAY BE IT WAS IN THIS MORNING SPIRIT.

>> LET'S HEAR FROM MICHAEL. >> I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME CALL.

SHE HAD THE LEAD. >> WE WILL MOVE TO THE TIME CERTAIN SPIRIT WE WILL GO TO

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>> IS ANYONE UP QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO DISPOSAL? >> THIS IS AND RESPONSE TO

JORDAN, IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT INCLUDES TRANSPORTATION AND DISPOSAL.

>> WOMEN ESTIMATE AS LONG AS -- AS LONG IT WILL BE AVAILABLE. >> CHARLIE MAY HAVE A BETTER

IDEA. >> IS IT FIVE YEARS? >> I THINK WE ARE STILL IN THE

30 YEAR. >> I AM SORRY WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

>> HOW LONG? >> 30 PLUS YEARS. >> IS THAT BY CONTRACT?

>> THE CONTRACT EXPIRES NEXT YEAR, 2,023. 2,023.

IT IS THE LOWEST. >> IS AT CLAY COUNTY'S CONTRACT? >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR MILTON OR

CHARLIE AT THIS POINT? >> JUST ABOVE PUBLIC HEARING. >> IF YOU HAVE A CARD YOU CAN BRING IT FORWARD. COME ON DOWN IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO US.

(SPEAKING AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). >> YOU HAVE TO COME DOWN SO WE CAN HEAR YOU ON VIDEO.

>> IF YOU WOULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND ASK YOUR QUESTION. >> MY LEGAL NAME IS KATHY KELLY.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU ARE SINGLING OUT ONE YEAR TO PAY X AMOUNT FOR THIS AND X AMOUNT FOR THAT. I THOUGHT THE WASTE WAS DONE IN YOUR PROPERTY TAXES.

I HAVE PAID MY PROPERTY TAXES EVER SINCE WE BOUGHT A HOUSE. I JUST WANT AN EXPLANATION.

>> THIS IS OUR ASSESSMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THEY ARE SPLIT INTO TWO PIECES.

THIS PAYS FOR THE DISPOSAL OF THE WASTE COLLECTED. >> WHY DID I NOT GET ONE FOR MY NEW HOUSE? THIS IS FROM MY OLD HOUSE. WHY DID NOT GET ONE FOR MY NEW

HOUSE. I AM STILL IN CLAY COUNTY. >> WHEN DID YOU MOVE?

>> WE ORIGINALLY BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN 1999. WE BOUGHT THE NEW HOUSE IN 2017

AFTER HURRICANE IRMA CAME THROUGH. >> IT WOULD NOT BE ON YOUR TAX BILL. IT WOULD BE ON FOR BOTH PROPERTIES.

>> WHY AM I BEING FORCED, OR IS THIS AMOUNT WHAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE PROPERTY TAXES.

THIS LOOKS LIKE I AM SUPPOSED TO PAY SEPARATE AMOUNTS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2019.

>> IT WILL BE FOR EACH YEAR. THIS WAS ENACTED IN 2006. IT HAS BEEN, IF YOU HAVE LIVED

IN PLAY COUNTY IT HAS BEEN ON YOUR TAX BILL SINCE 2006. >> WHY IS IT BEING SINGLED OUT

FOR ME TOO PAY FOR 2019 ONLY? >> IT IS FOR EVERY YEAR. >> ACCORDING TO THIS LETTER IT STATES, FOR THE 2019 FISCAL YEAR THE COLLECTION ASSESSMENT FOR THE ABOVE PROPERTY IS $154.

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FOR THAT ONE YEAR. >> THE ASSESSMENT, THE GREAT RESOLUTION THAT IS BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT IS FOR THIS CURRENT TAX YEAR. WE DO THIS EACH YEAR.

>> EVIDENTLY I AM NOT SPEAKING CLEARLY. >> YOU WOULD GET A NOTICE FOR A NEW HOME, WE SEND DIRECT NOTICES TO NEW HOMES THAT COME ONLINE WE DON'T WE WILL GO TO THE BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE LATTER. MAY BE A WRONG LETTER WAS SENT. THEY HAVE THE PROPER DATES ON THEM. MAYBE THERE WAS A MISPRINT ON THAT ONE.

MAYBE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION. >> I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS FOR THAT ONE PARTICULAR YEAR. I HAVE PAID MY TAXES EVERY YEAR

SINCE 1999. >> AFTER 2006, IT HAS BEEN INCLUDED.

>> BUT BEFORE THAT, I PAID WHOEVER THE GARBAGE COLLECTION WAS I PAID THEM.

I THOUGHT IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE TAXES. I DON'T, WHY IS 2019 BEING

SINGLED OUT? >> YOU ARE PAYING YOUR TAXES, YOU MAY HAVE GOTTEN THE LETTER BY MISTAKE. TROY YOU WILL LOOK AT IT. HE WILL LOOK AT IT AND DECIPHER

IT FOR YOU. >> MR. OTTO. ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING? YOU CAN LINE UP AND COME DOWN AFTER MR. OTTO.

THREE MINUTES MR. OTTO. >> JAMES OTTO HIGHWAY 21. MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA.

32068. AND REFERENCE TO THIS ANNUAL RATE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT, AS A REMINDER LIKE ORANGE PARK HAD A TORNADO, THEY DIDN'T GET ASSISTANCE ON THE TORNADO THAT HIT A FEW YEARS AGO IN ORANGE PARK. WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT.

YOU GUYS HAD TO HIRE HEAVY TRUCKS TO COMMENT RECENTLY. I NOTICED YOU ALL SAID THE TRASH TAX WILL GO UP. IT MADE DOUBLE AND COSTS. I ALSO THINK MR. BOLLA BROKE UP -- BROUGHT UP WE CAN GO TO INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTORS TO PICK UP THE WASTE AND THAT MAY BE OF BETTER IDEA DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE KEEP HAVING HEAVY EQUIPMENT RUNNING DOWN THE ROADS THAT ARE TEARING UP THE CULVERTS. INODES BROUGHT UP THAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR SOME OF THEM AND I THINK MR. BOLLA ASKED IF WE RECEIVE MONEY FOR THAT AT ONE OF THE MORE RECENT MEETING SPIRIT BUT IF YOU CANNOT TOUCH ON THAT, WE ARE NOT THROUGH THE STORM SEASON YET, AND THE TRASH IS NOT ON YOUR WISH LIST. LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY. IT SHOULD BE AT THE TOP.

IT SHOULD BE LISTED ON THE SIDE OF THE WALL SO THAT EVERYONE COMING INTO THE STORE.

THE CHARGE HAS TORN UP A LOT OF THE ROADS. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOU SPEAK ON SOME OF THE ISSUES. I AM GLAD WE TRANSFERRED. THEY DO BY THEIR EMPLOYEE SHOES OR THEY DID BEFORE. WASTE MANAGEMENT, THEY ACTUALLY DIVIDE THEIR EMPLOYEE'S BOOTS.

THANK YOU. I WILL FORWARD THE REST OF THAT. >> THANK YOU.

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>> WE WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE RATES FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. >> HE MADE THE MOTION DO WE HAVE

A SECOND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0. WE MOVED TO NUMBER 25 PUBLIC

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>> THIS IS THE ANNUAL ASSESSMENT RESOLUTION WHICH IS FOR THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY AND KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. IT WILL BE SET AT THE SAME RATE IT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY AT THE RATE OF $154.44. IT ALSO HAS EXEMPTIONS FOR ANY HARDSHIPS AND THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ASSESSED PROPERTIES IS $68,000. I'M SORRY NOT DOLLARS.

$68,602. I DON'T KNOW IF CHARLIE WANTS TO ADDRESS AT THIS POINT, HOW WE WILL BE HANDLING POTENTIALLY, BOOK CREDITS OR REFUNDS FROM THIS PAST YEAR.

>> THROUGH THE CHAIR, BUT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS, FROM THE 16TH OF AUGUST UNTIL THE FIRST OF OCTOBER, DURING THE CERTAIN WEEKS THERE WOULD BE NO CURBSIDE SERVICE PROVIDED THEREFORE WE WILL TAKE THE COMPONENT OF THE COSTS OF THE SERVICE WHICH IS 43 CENTS, PER WEEK, OR YOUR RECYCLING SERVICES AND YOUR YARD WASTE, MULTIPLY THAT BY SEVEN WEEKS, THAT'S CAMILLE WITH $3.04 REBATE. OR A CREDIT PUT BACK TO THE TAXPAYERS.

THIS WILL SHOW UP ON THE ASSESSMENT FOR ONE YEAR. >> THE CLOCK WILL START OVER WE WILL THEN APPLY THAT SAME FACTOR TO THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO MAKE SURE THE CITIZENS ARE NOT PAYING

FOR SERVICES THEY ARE NOT GETTING. >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN VATICAN?

>> WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE TAKEN. >> RECYCLING IS $108 PER MONTH.

WE PAID THE CONTRACTOR EVERY MONTH $11.87. THAT INCLUDES GARBAGE AND PICKUP. $1.88 FOR RECYCLING. $1.85 FOR YARD TRASH.

WHAT THAT EQUATES TO, WE ARE NOT RECEIVING THE CURBSIDE SERVICES IS 43 CENTS.

THERE ARE SEVEN WEEKS BETWEEN AUGUST 16, AND THE FIRST OF THE NEW FISCAL YEAR.

WE ARE TAKING THAT AND IT IS 3,004 CENTS THAT WILL BE CREDITED TO THE ASSESSMENTS.

>> HOW IS A CONSTITUENT GOING TO SEE THE $3.04. >> IT WILL SAY ON THERE AS A

LINE ITEM A COLLECTION REBATE. >> THAT WILL COME OFF OF THE 154 .54 FOR THE YEAR?

>> AS. >> WE DID NOT, WE COORDINATED WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR SO IT WILL SHOW AS A NEGATIVE $3.04. EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE THAT NUMBER.

>> AND WE COORDINATED THAT WITH DIANE. >> WHAT ABOUT THE SIX MONTHS WE HAVE NOT HAD YARD WASTE COLLECTION AT ANY REGULAR INTERVAL.

>> THAT IS A SITUATION WHERE THE COMPANY WAS BASICALLY DOING THE BEST THEY COULD AND THEY PUT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE SOLUTION OF THE PROBLEM. I ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY INCURRED THAT WOULD GIVE US AN INDICATOR OF WHAT THEY PAID TO GET THE GARBAGE OUT.

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>> I'M NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN SEEING THE SPREADSHEET. IT'S THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

, BUSINESS OWNER. IF I HAVE, IF I HAVE A SUPPLY NEED AND I CONTACT MY SUPPLIER AND I NEEDED TOMORROW, I WILL PAY EXPEDITED FEES TO GET IT TOMORROW WHETHER THAT IS MANUFACTURING, TRANSPORTATION, THAT IS MY COST OF DOING BUSINESS.

WHETHER I PASS THAT ON HIS BETWEEN ME AND AND THE CUSTOMER. THE CUSTOMER DOES NOT REALLY CARE WHAT MY SUPPLIR'S COSTS AND MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT SUPPLIER.

THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH ME. OUR CUSTOMERS CARE ABOUT THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY CONTRACTS OUT FOR OUT FOR SERVICE.

FOR US TO THEN TELL THE RESIDENCE, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING FOR YOU BECAUSE THESE ARE THE COSTS THAT THEY ABSORB FOR US, WASTE MANAGEMENT IS GIVING THE CANDIDATE CREDIT BACK FOR THE RECYCLING WE WOULD'VE DONE FOR THE WEEKS WE ENDED UP DOING TIS.

WE ARE NOT PASSING THAT ALONG TO THE RESIDENCE. I JUST THINK $3.04 IS AN INSULT.

I THINK PEOPLE WILL OPEN UP THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL AND SAY WHAT IS GOING ON.

PROBABLY NOT IN THAT NICE LANGUAGE. I THINK, I JUST THINK WE ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF OUR CITIZENS. YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE AND YOU SAY, YES, THAT TRUCK GOING DOWN THE ROAD IS ONLY 43 CENTS PER WEEK. THEY WILL SAY, HOW ARE YOU PUTTING A TRUCK DOWN THE ROAD FOR THAT AMOUNT. YOU CANNOT PUT GAS IN IT FOR THAT, MUCH LESS THE TIME, NO MATTER THEY ARE NOT PICKING UP WELL.

I THINK WE HAVE TO GO BACK, LOOK AT SOME OF THE COSTS, THE RESIDENCE HAD SIX MONTHS, I HAD A CUSTOMER IN MILTON, HE WAS -- I HAD A CUSTOMER WHO HAS NOT HAD HER YARD WASTE PICKED UP IN SEVEN WEEKS. IT IS AN ENTIRE STREET IN MIDDLEBURG.

IT'S NOT LIKE SHE LIVES OUT IN THE STICKS LIKE I DO. >> WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS INTERNALLY AND HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE IS THE BOTTOM LINE. WE ARE STILL IN THIS SPIRIT WE HAS BEEN A STEP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND WE HEAR YOU IN THE COMMUNITY LOUD AND CLEAR.

I ALSO AFFECT THAT SAME SERVICE INTERRUPTED. WE ARE COMING UP WITH SOMETHING.

AND A SOLUTION TO WORK THROUGH IT. THERE WERE COSTS ON BOTH SIDE.

THEIR SIDE AND OUR SIDE. THERE WERE COSTS ACROSS THE BOARD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UNSIGHTLY COSTS FOR HAVING IT OUT ON THE CURB. WE HAVE NOT GIVEN UP HERE THIS YEAR WAS THE FIRST STEP OF THIS TO ENSURE WE BUILD TRUST WITH THE COMMUNITY TO SHOW, THIS SEVEN WEEKS THERE IS AN AMOUNT COMING BACK TO YOU THAT YOU PAID FOR THAT.

WE APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE SITES THAT WE HAVE SET UP.

WE HAVE HAD GREAT RESPONSE ON THAT. THE RECYCLING MATERIALS VERY CLEAN. ALSO HELPED US SELL THAT. ONCE WE TAKE ALL OF THIS INTO PLAY AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT WE CAN TOTALLY GET BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE STILL IN IT. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. BUT WE WILL COME BACK TO THE

BOARD AND GET OTHER PROPOSALS. >> BUT WE CAN CROSS THE FISCAL YEAR'S?

>> KNOW THE $3 FOR SERVICES FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. >> BUT THEY WILL NOT GET IT.

YOU ARE SAYING YOU PAID FOR 2021 BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING BACK BUT $3.04.

>> ARE WE HOLDING THEM HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, PASSED

OCTOBER 1. >> BUT WE CANNOT GET THIS BACK TO THE RESIDENCE.

>> WE HAVE FOUND A WAY WE CAN DO THIS. >> ONCE PER YEAR.

WHEN THE PROPERTY TAX -- >> YES. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH WHICH WILL GIVE US ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS TO LOOK AT THIS AND SEE.

I THINK AT ONE OF THE MEETINGS IN THE PAST WE TALKED ABOUT IT, MONIES FOR NOT GETTING THE

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TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, IF WE CONTINUE THIS NEXT MONTH, THIS WILL GIVE US A FEW WEEKS TO WORK

ON THAT. >> WENT WE DISCUSSED SUSPENDING THE COLLECTION OF THE

RECYCLABLES, WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? >> WE FINISHED FIVE DAYS EARLY.

>> WE FINISH ON FRIDAY PROVIDED THEIR BACK ON SCHEDULE. >> WHEN IS THE TIME L

>> TEN DAYS TO GET THEMSELVES BACK ON SCHEDULE. AS CHARLIE INDICATED THEIR BACK

ON SCHEDULE. >> TOLD THE TEN DAYS ARE UP AT THEIR BACK ON SCHEDULE.

>> THAT TEN DAYS ARE NOT UP BUT THEY SAID TO GIVE THEM UNTIL THIS FRIDAY BUT THEY HAVE DONE IT. DANCE ON FRIDAY IS THE TIME? AFTER THAT WE SHOULD EXPECT

SAILING? >> WE EXPECT FULL YARD WASTE, AND THOUGHT GARBAGE TO BE

COLLECTED. >> NO MORE EXCUSES. >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> I WILL BE YELLING FOR RFP. >> WE WILL DO RFP. >> WE WILL DO IT SOONER THAN

THAT IF THIS DOESN'T WORK. >> EVEN IF IT DOES WORK WE ARE DOING IT EARLY NEXT YEAR.

>> I THINK THAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO APPROACH IT AND WE WILL SEE, WHETHER WE STAY ON

SCHEDULE. >> WE DON'T STAY ON SCHEDULE, WITH THE ALTERNATIVE.

>> WE COULD CUT THE CONTRACT ANYTIME WE WANT WITH THIS ONE. >> BECAUSE IT DID NOT PERFORM.

>> I AM NOT SUGGESTING WE DO. IF WE CAN'T GO ON SCHEDULE, LET'S SEE IF THERE IS ANY

ALTERNATIVES. WE DON'T KNOW THAT. >> CHARLIE IS WORKING ON THE RFP. YOU CANNOT CUT THEM EVEN WITH 30 DAY NOTICE AND EXPECT YOU WILL

GET ANOTHER COMPANY. >> HOW WILL YOU KNOW UNLESS YOU TY?

>> I AM NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO. I HAVE NO PROBLEM ASKING FOR BIDS ON A NEW CONTRACT AT THAT

POINT. >> THE PROBLEM IS THE CONTRACT DRAFTED INITIALLY IN 2007 HAD NO

LIQUIDATED DAMAGES. >> THE OPTION IS IF WE GET A BID THAT'S REASONABLE.

>> THE CHAIR HAS SAID THERE'S NO COMPANY COMPANY THAT HAS 42 TRUCKS TO COME DOWN AND TAKE

OVER THE CONTRACT. >> IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE 30 DAYS A COULD BE WHAT IS

CONVENIENT FOR US. >> LET'S SEE IF THEY MAKE IT OR NOT.

>> I HAVE A BASIC QUESTION. WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DISPOSAL AND COLLECTION, WE TALKED ABOUT UNINCORPORATED CLAY COUNTY. WE LEFT PENNY FARMS OUT ON BOTH

CASES. DO WE PICK UP THEIR TRASH? >> NO, SIR.

>> THEY DO EVERYTHING THEMSELVES? >> AND THEY HAVE A RECYCLING

CONTAINER THAT WE EMPTY. >> CITY EMPLOYEES. THEY DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DISPOSABLE ASSESSMENT. AS THEY BRING IT ACROSS THE SCALE.

>> IS STILL COMES ONCE? >> BUT THEY PAY AS THEY GO, RATHER THAN PARTICIPATE IN THE

ASSESSMENT FOR THEIR DISPOSAL COSTS. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHARLIE OR MILTON AT THIS POINT? THE BOARD WILL MAKE THE DETERMINATION AS TO WHETHER WE WILL APPROVE AS IS OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS UNTIL NEXT MONTH, AND THEN SIEBER WE CAN DO IN TERMS OF ADDING TO A REBATE AND MAKING A DETERMINATION.

I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW. WE WILL GO TO PUBLIC HEARING AS

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WE NEED, THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. >> ME OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE NO CARDS OTHER THAN MR. OTTO. MR. OTTO I LET YOU WRITE A LITTLE BIT. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE SOLID

WASTE AND MATERIAL COLLECTION ASSESSMENT. >> RIDING.

JAMES OTTO 2908 ( INDISCERNIBLE ) MILBOURNE FLORIDA. THE CHAIR WAS WRONG, I WAS NOT IN SUPPORT OF TWENTYFOUR AND I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF 25. I'M SORRY, I AM NOT IN SUPPORT OF THAT GIVEN THE CREDIT BACK. I HAVE LISTENED AT THESE MEETINGS.

THIS COMPANY IS GETTING BEAT UP. YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE ANOTHER COMPANY TO FILL AND THEY WILL REBID THIS. IF I WAS THEM, I WOULD COME WAY UP HERE, LISTENING TO THE WAY THIS BOARD IS TALKING, I THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO DO THE BEST THEY CAN.

STACKING THE TRASH CANS THE WRONG WAY ON THE HIGHWAY, OVER AND OVER FOR PROBLEMS. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS SINCE THEY TOOK OVER. I CAN SEE THE ISSUE THAT YOU HAVE. PEOPLE WANT TO BE PAID BACK FOR THE SERVICE THEY LOST.

I THINK THE BETTER WAY TO DO IT IS TO ASK THEM TO PAY ATTENTION AT THE MEETING SPIRIT I REALLY DO NOT SEE WHY WE ARE GIVING THEM BACK ANY MONEY. I DON'T EXPECT ANY MONEY BACK

FROM THE TRASH COMPANY. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE?

BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> JUST BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION.

ONE THING FOR YOU TO REMEMBER AS FAR START TIMING. IF YOU DO CONTINUE AND BRING IT BACK NEXT MONTH ON SEPTEMBER 14, THAT WOULD BE A LAST MEETING FOR A DETERMINATION BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTIFICATE FOR THE TAX COLLECTOR ON THE 15TH. THAT IS THE NEXT DAY.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR A RATE THAT WILL MEET OUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE BUT SEPTEMBER 14.

>> THAT IS CORRECT. >> WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH WASTE MANAGEMENT FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO COLLECT TRASH AND UNINCORPORATED AND CLAY COUNTY AND THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY WE WOULD MEET -- WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

>> WE WOULD WAIT IF WE WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WAY FOR US TO AFFORD A GREATER REBATE TO OUR&

CONSTITUENTS. >> WE CAN DO THAT NEXT WEEK. >> THIS WON'T CHANGE.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING FROM TALKING TO THE CAP -- TAX COLLECTOR THIS WILL GO AS A LINE ITEM IN THE AMOUNT OF WHAT YOU DETERMINED AS YOUR REBATE WILL BE SEPARATE ON THE TAX BILL.

>> QUITE HONESTLY, WE DON'T HAVE THAT AS AN ITEM TO APPROVE. >> TONIGHT.

>> THE REBATE IS NOT ON THIS. >> ANY DISCUSSION? MOTION?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE 15444 FOR NEXT SCHOOL YEAR.

IT WILL BE FOR DEBRIS, WASTE PICKUP. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER HAS A

MOTION PLACE TO HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> COMMISSIONER BURKE SEC.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HEAR NONE WE WILL CALL THE VOTE.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT'S IN THE POSITIVE, IT PASSES

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3-2. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, FOR DIRECTION, WE WILL STILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 15 WITH A REBATE AND TO LOOK AT THIS AND NEGOTIATE SOMETHING MORE THAN

$3.04. IF THAT PLEASES THE BOARD. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? MY UNDERSTANDING IS, THE WASTE MANAGEMENT HAS LOWERED OUR BILL EACH MONTH,.

>> IT WAS ON COSTS THAT WERE INCURRED. THEY HAVE LOWERED THE BILL AND THE COST WE HAD WITH REGARD TO GREEN CALLED SPRINGS. WITH THEIR TRUCKS, VEHICLES AND

PERSONNEL. >> SO THERE IS NO EXCESS WE HAVE NOW.

WE HAVE USED ALL OF THE EXCESS THAT THE TAXPAYERS HAVE PAID? >> THEY HAVE PAID OVER $1 MILLION AND BRINGING PEOPLE IN FROM OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE AND PUTTING THEM IN OTHER PARTS OF THE HOTEL. EVERYTHING WE DID, WE MADE THE ORIGINAL AGREEMENT FOR THE TRUCK TO COME OVER. THEY AGREED TO PAY THAT SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO PAY.

>> I AM SAYING, THEY LOWERED OUR BILL EACH MONTH. WHERE DID THE EXCESS MONEY GO?

>> THEY DID NOT FORWARD THE BILL EACH MONTH. >> WE TOOK EXPENSES THAT WE

INCURRED OUT OF THE BILL, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> OKAY, I GOT IT.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE WILL MOVE TO NUMBER 26.

[26.  5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider adoption of Final Assessment Resolution for the addition of subdivision properties to the Subdivision Roads Maintenance Municipal Service Benefit Unit and to impose non-ad valorem special assessments for the provision of subdivision roads maintenance services therein (C. Grimm/ R. Smith)]

>> WILL HAVE AND AN ASSESSMENT FOR THE SUBDIVISION OCCLUDED LAST YEAR.

THIS IS FOR THE NINE NEW SUBDIVISIONS WHICH ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO 14 SEPARATE SUBDIVISIONS HAVE GRANTED THIS YEAR. YOU APPROVE THE INITIAL RESOLUTION ON JUNE 22. THE AMOUNTS INCLUDED ARE THE SAME AMOUNT SET FORTH IN THE

FINAL ASSESSMENT AND HERE FOR YOUR APPROVAL. >> THIS CONTINUES THE PROGRAM

THAT WE STARTED LAST YEAR. >> CORRECT. IT ADDS SPIRIT.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR COURTNEY? >> ARE THERE ANY ESCALATION CLAUSES, I NOTICED THAT ONE WAS A PERMANENT RATE. MOST OF THE MSB USE THERE'S NO

ESCALATION IN COSTS. >> IN CONNECTION, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT THAT CAME UP WITH THESE AMOUNTS, PART OF THE SUBDIVISION YOU HAVE A PART FOUR MAINTENANCE AND A PART FOR THE RESURFACING. IT DOES HAVE BUILT-IN. I THINK IT IS 20 YEAR.

IT DOES HAVE BUILT-IN INFLATION TO MAKE SURE THERE'S ENOUGH MONEY THAT IS OBTAINED.

THE MAINTENANCE PART, IF THAT IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO COVER NEXT YEAR, YOU COULD INCREASE THAT AMOUNT UP TO THE MAXIMUM INCLUDED IN THE FINAL ASSESSMENT WHICH IS, THE MAXIMUM IS SET AT 50%. AN ADDITIONAL 50%. IF IT IS AN FIST -- INSUFFICIENT

BUT THAT CAN BE CHANGED EACH YEAR. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. NO CARDS AT THIS TIME.

>> JAMES OTTO. I HAVE BEEN COMING HERE FOR YEARS.

WE HAVE ALL OF THESE MS BEES AND NOW WE ARE GETTING A 120 MILLION -- ONE OF $29 MILLION LOAN FOR

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STEALING. >> KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THE BOARD.

>> THE PRIOR BOARD, HAS DECIDED THEY WILL TAKE CITIZENS PROPERTIES AND IF YOU GET THIS LIKE OVER ON BLUE JAY THAT YOU ARE FORCED FAN BECAUSE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WANT IT AND YOU DO NOT PAY IT, YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT THE MSBU. AND THE LOANS BEING CHANGED BECAUSE IT WAS CRICKET, IT WAS CRICKET. THIS COUNTY WAS GOING TO SPEND $129 MILLION ON PART OF THIS COUNTY IT IS ABSURD. IT REALLY IS.

SO, THE FACTS ARE THE FACTS. THE HOUSES HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY

COMMISSIONERS. >> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MSB USE THEY ARE ATTACKS PUT ON THE CITIZENS TO HAVE THEIR PROPERTY TAKEN AWAY. HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR

DISTRICT? >> WHAT ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK?

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0. WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 27.

[27.  5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing for the purpose of considering entry into a Purchase and Sale Agreement for the purchase by the County of real property for the Multi-Purpose Youth Sports Complex located off State Road 21, just north of State Road 16, more particularly described as follows: a portion of Tax Parcel numbers 10-06-24-006820-000-00, 10-06-24-006821-000-00 and 03-06-24-006810-000-00, consisting of approximately 200 acres. Closing on the property is contingent upon entry into a Development Agreement. As required by F.S. § 255.065, an independent analysis of the Public-Private Partnership Project - Multi-Purpose Sports Complex was performed.]

COMPLEX LOCATED OFF STATE ROAD 21. >> SO WE HAVE THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT THAT IS PART OF THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT THE BOARD APPROVED A FEW MEETINGS AGO. THIS IS THE PURCHASE OF THE LAND COMPONENT.

THERE WILL ALSO BE A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.

THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT, THE CLOSING IS CONTINGENT ON THE DEVELOPMENT BEING APPROVED BY THE BOARD AND BEAUTIFIED THE DEVELOPER AS WELL. THE PURCHASE AND SALE AGREEMENT IS FOR $3 MILLION. THAT INCLUDES ALL OF THE CLOSING COSTS THAT WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE SELLER. THERE IS A $50,000 DEPOSIT THAT WOULD BE USED IF THE COUNTY SHOULD DECIDE NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

WHATEVER COSTS THE SELLER AS APPROVED WILL COME OUT OF THE $50,000 DEPOSIT.

WE ARE MOVING FORWARD IN CONNECTION WITH THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY IN ORDER TO HAVE ITS OWN FOR PUBLIC OWNERSHIP. THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN SEPTEMBER.

THE PURCHASE AND SALE IS CONTINGENT ON THAT BEING APPROVED OTHERWISE WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE PARK AND PROPERTY. THE PROPERTY DESCRIPTION ON THE MAP HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU AND E-MAILED TO YOU AS WELL AS A COPY INCLUDED IN YOUR BOX. THE MAP WILL SHOW YOU THE PRECISE LOCATION OF THE PROPERTY. IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CHARISSE IS HERE AND CAN ASSIST. SHE HAS BEEN HELPING WITH THE AGREEMENT.

>> HOW DOES THIS FIT AS FAR AS TIMING? >> THIS IS PART OF TRYING TO GET

IT DONE BY JUNE 30, 2022. >> THAT IS WHY THE CLOSING IS JUST ONE MONTH AWAY, AND

SEPTEMBER. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I SEE, I DON'T THINK SHE IS

HERE. THE AUDITOR IS NOT HERE. >> I AM SORRY.

IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, YES. HEATHER IS OUT ILL. IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATUTE. SINCE SHE IS NOT HERE, THAT IS SOMETHING, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU WOULD NEED TO BE CONFIRMED AND ASKED FOR THE AGREEMENT IS APPROVED.

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>> MY CONCERN IS THAT HER LAST STATEMENT WITH RESEARCH AND DISCUSSIONS, 90% WERE DISCUSSED.

THAT COULD BE $600,000 THAT ARE NOT. I GUESS,.

>> THAT IS SOMETHING FOR HEATHER. >> THAT IS A CONCERN.

>> I THINK THAT IS WHY COURTNEY INDICATED, THERE IS ANOTHER STEP AS WE GET TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. EVEN IF WE APPROVE THIS MOVING FORWARD IT DOES NOT GO FORWARD.

WE WOULD HOPE. >> THIS IS JUST THE PURCHASE. >> WE COULD BE OUT OF $50,000.

WAS THERE AN APPRAISAL DONE IN CONNECTION WITH THIS? NO THERE WAS A.

AND THAT WAS PART OF WHEN YOU APPROVED MOVING FORWARD UNDER THE PROCEDURE THAT THIS WAS NOT

REQUIRED. >> WOULD WE DO WANT TO PROTECT OURSELVES?

>> WHATEVER. >> WHATEVER YOU WOULD CHOOSE AS FAR AS TIMING.

>> I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING. I THOUGHT TIMING WAS OF THE

ESSENCE. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THE STATE, DOES ANY STATE MONEY

GO FOR PURCHASE? >> PART OF IT DOES. IF THERE ARE CERTAIN BUCKETS, IT

WILL GO FOR THAT. >> THE DEADLINE IS JUNE 30? >> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET

AN APPRAISAL BEFORE WE CLOSE? >> HE COULD EXTEND THE CLOSING IF YOU LIKE.

>> I AGREE,. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING HEATHER LOOKED AT.

>> DID YOU WANT TO COME UP? >> I WOULD JUST ADD, THE MANTRAS IS DOING AN APPRAISAL IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AS WELL. THEY ILL SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH US WHEN THEY GET IT.

IT MAY BE HELPFUL, I WILL ALSO ADD, IN LOOKING FOR THESE PROPERTIES, THE PROPERTIES LIKE THIS, THIS IS NOT AN APPRAISAL, WE ARE A LOT MORE THAN THE DOLLAR VALUE WE ARE PLAYING.

WE HAVE LOOKED FOR PROPERTY, AND TO BE HONEST, WE COULD NOT TOUCH ANY OF IT NEAR THIS NUMBER.

>> AT THE LAST MEETING I MISUNDERSTOOD YOU. I THOUGHT THE LAST TIME YOU SAID WE WERE PAYING ABOVE MARKET VALUE. THAT IS OUR ASSESSMENT.

>> LOOKING FOR REAL ESTATE BEFORE THIS PROPERTY. WE LOOKED ALL THROUGH THE AREA IN CONNECTION WITH DEVELOPERS AND IT WAS ALL OVER $60,000 PER WE TRIED TO FIND THROUGH THE

FAIRGROUNDS EVERY A. >> IT WAS CLOSER TO 100,000. >> PEOPLE HAD OTHER PROPERTIES

THEY ARE LOOKING TO DEVELOP. ATTACH I GET THAT PART. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR FINGERS AFTER WE SHAKE HANDS. WHAT IS THE TIMING ON THE LAND

TRUST. >> I WOULD SAY, BY THE NEXT TIME WE COME TO YOU WE WOULD HAVE OUT TOMORROW. I WILL SEE IF SHE HAS ANY DEADLINES OR DUE DATES.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> SO LET'S GO TO PUBLIC HEARING.

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MR. OTTO, KEEP YOUR COMMENTS SPECIFIC TO THE TOPIC. >> CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA, MR. OTTO. THE CITIZENS ARE NOT HAPPY ABOUT THE FIELD OF DREAMS. HONESTLY, THIS PROPERTY IS DOWN FROM MY BUSINESS. IT WOULD TREMENDOUSLY IMPROVE MY PROPERTY. WE DON'T HAVE $3 MILLION TO MATCH.

WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKS THAT WE CANNOT TAKE CARE OF RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE TO BE INSANE TO THINK YOU WILL BUILD A BOOMING ECONOMY. YOU CAN BUILD THIS IN A BAD ECONOMY AND GET MORE FOR YOUR DOLLAR. COME ON EVERYONE.

THIS IS 2006 ALL OVER AGAIN. IN A COUPLE OF YEARS WE WILL BE SITTING BACK LOOKING AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND SAYING, $100,000 PER ACRE NEXT TO THE FAIRGROUNDS.

WHO IS MAKING THAT YEAR WHO HAS THEIR HAND IN THE COOKIE CHART. WHO WANTS THIS WHEN EVERYTHING ELSE NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON. WHERE IS THE ROADLESS. YOUR PRIMARY JOB.

THE ROADS THE ROADS THE TRASH INITIATED. EVERYTHING IS AN ISSUE EXCEPT YOUR WISH LIST. IT IS TIME TO COME BACK TO REALITY.

THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE PARK AND THEY WERE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THE PRICES YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT $8,000 PER ACRE. I WOULD RATHER BE ON THE WATERFRONT BAND THAT STUPID

FAIRGROUND. >> THANK YOU MR. OTTO, ANYONE ELSE?

>> I DON'T GENERALLY AGREE WITH OTTO TOO MUCH BUT HE HAS A GOOD POINT, WE WILL GO INTO A 3 MILLION-DOLLAR DEAL WOULD KNOW APPRAISAL THE GOVERNOR DOES NOT PAY MY BILLS, E DOES NOT PAY BILLS THE TAXPAYERS PAYS THE BILLS. THIS IS ANOTHER FIELD OF DREAMS. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER PICTURE. WE ARE PAYING FOR ANOTHER SUBDIVISION TO BE PAID FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO COME AROUND HERE I WOULD THEY HAVE DONE EVERYWHERE I VALVE DEVELOPER MAKES THE MONEY. WHEN WILL THIS COMMISSION STOP THIS.

SPENDING MONEY LIKE IT IS NOTHING. YOU ARE JUST LIKE JOE BIDEN.

YOU DON'T HAVE THIS MONEY, WHERE IS IT COMING FROM. WHERE YOU GETTING THIS MONEY BECAUSE EVERY TIME WE OFFER EVERYTHING YOU SAY YOU ARE BROKE.

YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKING CARE OF OUR MONEY. THIS IS NOT IT.

I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE GIVING US HALF OF IT. THIS IS NO APPRAISAL BUT YOU WILL GIVE HER AN AUTHORIZATION TO SAY GO BY. JUST GIVE THE MONEY.

YOU MUST BE MILLIONAIRES WE ARE NOT. >> MR. HODGES.

CHARLES HODGES. LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, OF ANY OF YOU LOOKED AT THIS PIECE

OF PROPERTY? >> GERMAN, YOU NEED A JAIL TO PUT INMATES AND, IS THAT CORRECT? YOU HAVE SOME BIG BUDGET ITEMS SUPERSEDE A NEED FOR PART.

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IT QUEST. >> YES, IT WAS ADVERTISED. >> THANK YOU.

AUDIO SAMPLE BY THIS BECAUSE THE GOVERNOR WANTS TO GIVE YOU A GRANT THAT YOU UP TO MATCH.

WHO BENEFITS? WHAT DEVELOPERS INVOLVED IN THIS?

WHO HAVE A NAME? >> YES, IT IS LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

>> GUARDS IF YOU HAVE BEEN TO THAT AREA, YOU HAVE 16 AND 21. YOU WILL GET YOURSELVES INTO SOMETHING WE DON'T HAVE CITY SEWAGE, YOU ARE GOING DEVELOPER, TO MAKE A KILLING, PROBABLY NONSTATE DEVELOPER, THAT MONEY GOES BACK TO WHERE THEY ARE NOT WHERE WE ARE AT.

YOU HAVE SOME AUDACITY TO SAY WE WILL BUY THIS WITH NO APPRAISAL RIGHTS CRAZY MIKE, DID YOU GET YOUR HOUSE APPRAISED BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT? MR. RENNINGER DID YOU? DID YOU DO IT WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT. WE ARE WORRIED ABOUT BUILDING A SPORTS PARK ONE HALF OF THE SPORTS PARKS ARE FALLING APART. HALF OF THE UTILITIES DON'T WORK. YOU WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON THIS? I WOULD HATE TO BE YOU GUYS

TRYING TO GET ELECTED THE NEXT GO AROUND. >> THANK YOU.

WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. >> I THINK WE NEED AN APPRAISAL AND DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE, THAT IS EXPECTED. I UNDERSTAND THE ILLNESS WITH THE COUNTY AUDITOR AND I DON'T FAULT HER FOR BEING HERE TODAY. I'M GRATEFUL THAT SHE'S HERE BACKTRACK NOT HERE SHE NEEDS TO GET WELL WE DON'T NEED ARE GERMS BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVER 10% OF EXPENSES THAT WE ARE NOT SEEN. THE $600,000 WORTH OF EXPENSES AND I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS READ WE CAN HAVE CLARIFICATION ON THAT BUT IT WAS ATTACHED TO THIS ITEM AS BACKUP FOR A REASON. IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS BACKUP MATERIAL.

I GUESS YOU LIKELY NEED MORE CLARIFICATION. I MOVE THAT WE DELAY THIS.

>> I THINK WE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE APPRAISAL. THAT WOULD MOVE IT FORWARD, I

WOULD GOING THAT -- AND AND WEEKEND PUSH THIS MOTION OFF. >> I NEED CLARIFICATION.

>> IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR AN APPRAISAL I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.

THEN THAT WILL OBVIOUSLY DELAY UNTIL WE DO THAT. >> THE APPRAISAL, WILL THAT HELP US ANY? SO WE CAN GET IT BY NEXT MEETING?

>> CHARISSE CAN PROBABLY EXPAND ON THAT. IT IS FOR GRANT FUNDING SO WILL BE UNDER A DIFFERENT USE. IT WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING BUT FOR A TOTALLY DIFFERENT PURPOSE.

>> OF WE NEED TO DELAYED THIS, THEN WE NEED AN APPRAISAL FOR OUR OWN.

I THINK AT THIS POINT, IT'S CLEAR. SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY WON'T

DEAL WITH IT. >> I SECOND THE MOTION FOR DISCUSSION.

>> WE WILL HAVE TO GO OUT AND PROCURE AN APPRAISER AND IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME.

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THE TIMELINE, WE WILL JUST HAVE TO SEE. >> WE WILL HAVE NO LATER THAN

JUNE 30 OF NEXT YEAR. >> WE WILL DO THE BEST WE CAN TO THAT POINT AND WILL ASK THE

STATE FOR AN EXTENSION. >> DO WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH RFP TO GET AN APPRAISER, OR --

>> WE WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT WE THINK THE COST WILL BE. IF IT'S SOMETHING WE THINK WE CAN GET DONE IN THE COUNTY MANAGER'S RANGE, WE CAN GO THROUGH IT THAT WAY.

WE WILL JUST HAVE TO SEE AVAILABILITY. >> I RECENTLY HAD A COMMERCIAL APPRAISAL DONE, AND IT WAS DONE WITHIN SIX WEEKS AND IT COSTS $3,500 PER I IMAGINE IF YOUR

PAIN MORE THAN THAT, WE ARE GETTING TAKEN FOR A RIDE. >> MAYBE IF YOU CAN GIVE US NAME

OF YOUR APPRAISER. >> CAN WE DO WHAT WE DID WITH THE FIRE STATION, GET THE COUNTY MANAGER TO GET THREE QUOTES AND MOVE FORWARD, DOES THAT SOUND MEANINGFUL TO THE BOARD? IT SEEMS TO BE SUCCESSFUL THE WAY WE DID IT THE LAST TIME. THAT WOULD MOVE THINGS ALONG.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPRAISAL AND A SECOND TO

DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMEHOW WE CAN DO THAT. >> I MIGHT ADD ONE OF THE THING.

NOT ONLY IS IT AN APPRAISAL WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WORK GOING ON.

I THINK BY THE NEXT BOARD WITH THE AUDITOR, WE CAN FIND OUT THE DETAILS THAT SHE LOOKED AT FOR

THE WORK TO CONSTRUCT. >> AND INTERPRETATION. >> WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT IS PACKAGE DEAL, BUYING THE PROPERTY WHICH IS NUMBER ONE. THE SECOND WOULD BE, TAKING A LOOK AT THE RATES THAT ARE LISTED ON THE PROPOSAL AND PUTTING IT IN THE FIELDS ARE DOING THE WORK THAT IS DUE THERE. GIVE THE LINE ITEM TO THE BOARD TO MAKE A DECISION, AND THEN THE LONGEST POINT WOULD BE THE APPRAISAL AND WE WILL WORK ON IT AND FOLLOW THIS. I WILL GET, IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD IF I CAN GET THREE VERBAL QUOTES, BUT IF YOU WANT THEM WRITTEN HI CAN GET THEM VIA E-MAIL.

AND THEN, I WILL PICK THE LOWEST FOR THE APPRAISAL, AND HOPEFULLY GET IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS

POSSIBLE. >> IF I RECALL AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE PUT THIS OUT FOR

BID, AND WE GOT NO PROPOSALS, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THE UNSOLICITED PROPOSAL.

>> WE PUT IT OUT FOR BID AND WE GOT NO RESPONSE. >> I DO NOT MIND DELAYING IT FOR THIS ESTIMATE. I WOULD NOT BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITHOUT GETTING AN APPRAISAL. I SUSPECT OUR OWN PEOPLE KNOW. I DON'T THINK WE ARE TRYING, THAT WE ARE INAPPROPRIATE. I THINK IT IS DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE, GETTING THE APPRAISAL. I WOULD NOT MIND PAYING MORE THAN MARKET VALUE TO GET THE APPRAISAL QUICKER, I MEAN, I KNOW WE HAVE THE THREE BIDS A DEAL BUT IF WE CAN GET IT DONE IN A WEEK, THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF ISSUES. IF WE DO NOT MOVE ON THIS WE WILL LOSE THE MATCH MONEY AND WE WON'T HAVE A PROJECT AT ALL. I AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH THE PARKS WE HAVE BUT ON THE OTHER IN SECURING THIS PROPERTY, IS WORTH A FUTURE CAST OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN. EVEN IF WE CANNOT GET IT FAST, LIKE I SAID IF IT COSTS MORE, IT MAY WORK -- BE WORTH IT. YOU DECIDE THAT.

>> OKAY, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0, AND WE HAVE THE METHOD IN WHICH THE COUNTY MANAGER WILL MOVE FORWARD.

>> IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE HEARING. WE WILL HAVE THE APPRAISAL AND

THEN WE CAN RE- ADVERTISE. >> I CLOSED THE HEARING, WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK AND OPEN IT.

BUT I THINK IT'S BETTER THE OTHER WAY. >> WE WILL MOVE TO NUMBER 28.

[28.  5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard: First Public Hearing to Amend Land Development Code to Allow PUD as Permissible District In Agriculture Land Use and Add Campground RV Park as a Conditional Use in Agricultural and Agricultural Residential Districts (Planning Commission voted 7-0 in favor of PUD permissible in Agriculture Land Use and 7-0 not in favor of Allowing Campground/Recreational Park as Conditional Use in Ag and AR Districts) (M.Brown)]

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THE FIRST PART OF THAT HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. THE OTHERS, WE WILL CONTINUE

UNTIL SEPTEMBER 28. DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US? >> YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH IT ONE

AT A TIME? >> ITEM 28 IS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

THE APPLICANT HAS ASKED TO WITHDRAW PART OF THAT. IT IS TIED TO ITEM 29.

IN AN EFFORT TO BOX IT ALL EVERY GET TOGETHER ONE TIME, IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT, THEY ARE REQUESTING CONTINUATION OF ITEM 282 SEPTEMBERS MEETING AT 5:00 P.M. OR SOON THEREAFTER.

DO YOU WANT TO TAKE ACTION ON EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A GROUP?

>> WE WILL CALL THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONTINUE. >> FOR NUMBER 28, TOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE FIRST ITEM AND CONTINUE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 28. THE FIRST PORTION BEING AMEND THE CODE AS A PERMISSIBLE DISTRICT. THAT IS THE SECTION 39 TO AS UNIT DEVELOPMENT AS A ZONING DISTRICT AND THE AGRICULTURAL FUTURE LAND USE.

AS OF TODAY YOU CANNOT DO A PUD IN A FUTURE LAND USE. YOU CANNOT ALLOW THAT AS AN

APPROVED ZONING DISTRICT. >> DOES THIS APPLY TO THE WHOLE COUNTY?

>> IF THE CHANGES MADE, IT WOULD ALLOW IT FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN WITH A PLANNED UNIT ZONING IN

THE FUTURE LAND USE. SO ANYWHERE IN THEIR. >> WHAT IS THE ADVANTAGE OF KNOWING THAT? WHY WOULD WE WANT TO APPROVE THAT?

>> FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE OR THE STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE IT GIVES THE COUNTY ADDITIONAL ASSURANCES, TO LOOK AT ANY PROJECT THAT WOULD COME UNDER A PUD AS TO WHAT CONDITIONS YOU PLACE ON IT, YOU CAN REQUIRE, FOR EXAMPLE, BUFFERING FOR THE LAND-USE.

OR HAD ZONING. RECOGNIZE THE PUD DOES NOT CHANGE THE ALLOWABLE DENSITIES.

SO IT ISN'T ONE UNIT PER 20 ACRES THEY CANNOT CHANGE THAT.

THAT IS JUST THE ZONING, IT TELLS YOU HOW YOU WILL DEVELOP IT.

IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE DENSITIES SO THAT STAYS THE SAME. YOU CANNOT COME IN WITH A PUD, AND DO USES THAT ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE, JUST PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY FOR A DEVELOPER TO DO SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD NORMALLY DO. ON THE OTHER HAND, FROM A COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE, IT GIVES THEM MORE ASSURANCES EMPTY ABILITY TO CONDITION TO MAKE IT MORE COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES. IT WILL ALSO PROVIDE NEIGHBORS WITH ASSURANCES. EVERYTHING WILL BE LAID OUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT, LIKE THE TYPE OF USES, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY WOULD SEE, THE BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS AND ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY BELIEVES IS APPROPRIATE. WE SUPPORT THIS PROPOSED CHANGE

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ULTIMATELY. >> IT SEEMS LIKE IT ALLOWS SUBDIVISIONS TO GO INTO AREAS

THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONE. >> YOU COULD DO A SUBDIVISION NOW, BUT AGAIN, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO BE THE DENSITY ALLOWED IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. SO IF SOMEONE HAD 200 ACRES THEY COULD COME IN TODAY AND DO A SUBDIVISION ON THE ACRES. WITH A PUD THEY COULD DO THE SAME THING. THEY COULD DO IT UNDER THE ZONING.

SO, I HAVE HEARD THE FEAR, BUT THE PUD DOES NOT GIVE A DEVELOPER ANY MORE LEVERAGE OR DEVELOPMENT ENTITLEMENTS THAT THEY DON'T ALREADY HAVE UNDER THE EXISTING FUTURE LAND USE.

>> WHAT DO THEY GAIN? >> THEY CAME FLEXIBILITY. ASSUMING THAT IT IS FUTURE LAND USE, THERE ARE LOT SIZES AND SETBACKS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET. THE PUD ALLOWS FOR FLEXIBILITY OF THOSE TWO FIT WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS WHAT THE PUD GIVES THEM.

IT GIVES THEM FLEXIBILITY OVER WHAT THE ZONING WOULD REQUIRE. THAT IS WHY YOU USUALLY SEE IT.

>> WHY HAS THIS CHANGE NEVER BEEN MADE BEFORE? >> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN I DISCOVERED IT WAS NOT ALLOWED, I WAS SURPRISED. THERE ARE ONLY THREE LAND-USE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT DO NOT ALLOW PUD. CONSERVATION, THE PARKS AND

RECREATION, AND AGRICULTURE. >> WE WANT THE BOARD TO HOLD THEM MORE ACCOUNTABLE AND OTHER

PROJECTS WHATEVER THAT MAY BE. >> THE BOARD APPROVES THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT IS WHERE I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER. I THINK IT GIVES THE COUNTY MORE ASSURANCES TO CONTROL DEVELOPMENTS UNDER THE UD ZONING.

YOU CAN REQUIRE ADDITIONAL BUFFERS. OR WHATEVER OTHER CONDITIONS

THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN THE STRAIGHT ZONING. >> CERTAIN KINDS OF LIGHTING.

>> YES, YOU CAN ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE WITH A PUD. >> IT READS HERE THE PLANNING

COMMISSION, DOES NOT WANT TO HAVE A CAMPGROUND IN THERE. >> AND THAT WAS THE SECOND PART.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT VOTE IT DOWN.

NOT TO ALLOW THE REQUEST BY THE APPLICANT WHICH HAS BEEN WITH WRONG.

THIS WAS WITHDRAWN BY THE APPLICANT, TO ALLOW FOR THE RV PARK AS CONDITIONAL USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION THOUGHT THAT WAS A BAD IDEA AND VOTED NOT TO RECOMMEND THAT. I WILL REPEAT MYSELF, THE APPLICANT ANSWERED WITH ON THAT

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PIECE SO IT IS NO LONGER IN CONSIDERATION. >> STAFF AGREES WITH THE VOTE

FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THAT. >> THAT IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING

FOR TO TAKE ACTION. >> >> 2829 AND 30.

>> 28 AND 29 ARE RELATED. >> WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE WITH A PUBLIC HEARING.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> DO WE EXPECT THE APPLICANT TO REAPPLY?

>> THEY WILL BE APPLYING, IT IS CONFUSING. IN HAVING CAMPGROUND AND RV PARK AS A CONDITIONAL USE, IT DOES NOT HELP THEM BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

THIS IS ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE& USE OF THE CAMPGROUND TO WHICH YOU CAN HAVE YOUR RESTRICTIONS.

THAT WILL BE MOVING ALONG IN SEPTEMBER. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.

I WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> JAMES OTTO.

WHY DON'T WE JUST THROW ALL OF THE ZONING IN THE TRASH. I MEAN, COME ON.

I CAMPGROUND, THAT IS COMMERCIAL. IS THIS GOING TO BE A PRIVATE CAMPGROUND? WILL THEY TAKE MONEY. IF THEY'RE TAKING MONEY, THAT IS A COMMERCIAL VENTURE. THEY ARE JUST TRYING TO GET OUT OF TAXES -- TAXES.

I HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN IN FAVOR OF THE PUD'S HAVING THEIR OWN STORAGE SPIRIT YOU GUYS ARE STICKING THESE ALL OVER THE PLACE. HE STUCK ONE ON 218.

THEY CAME IN CLEAR ALL OF THE TREES. THEY SAY WE WANT TO PUT THIS THERAPEUTIC THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRE TO HAVE THE NATURAL OFFERED THERE.

THEN THEY WOULD NOT CUT IT DOWN. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR OFF TRACK. OBVIOUSLY, SOME OF THE FOLKS, MR. LONDON WAS PAID BY THE TAXPAYERS TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION. YOU GUYS ARE NOT LISTENING TO WHAT HE TOLD YOU WHATSOEVER. WHY ARE WE HAVING THESE PRESENTATIONS?

>> >> THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED IN FAVOR,.

[29.  5:00 PM or as soon thereafter as can be heard: Final Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application PUD-21-01 (PC voted 7-0 to approve rezoning)]

>> ITEM 29 THIS MEETS THE PREVIOUS CHANGE TO BE DONE. ALSO ANOTHER CHANGE WHICH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY INDICATED IS COMING. THIS WILL GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON THE SEVENTH TO ALLOW FOR A CAMPGROUND AS A CONDITIONAL USE.

THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AND YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACT ON IT PRIOR TO ALLOWING THIS REQUEST TO HAPPEN BECAUSE AT PRESENT THIS IS NOT PERSISTENT. THIS IS A CONTINUATION ALSO.

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>> >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IS THIS PROPOSAL, DOES IT

INCLUDE WATER AND SEWER? >> IN THEIR PLAN, THERE IS NOT CENTRAL WATER AND SEWER, BUT THERE WILL BE PRIVATE WATER AND SEWER. THERE WILL BE CENTRAL WATER AND UNDERSTAND THE PLAN. IF I REMEMBER THEIR PLAN, IT WILL BE A SEPTIC SYSTEM, MORE LIKE A PACKAGE PLAN. I'M NOT SAYING IT WILL DEFINITELY BE, BUT SOMETHING

LIKE THAT AND PROVIDE SERVICES. >> BRADFORD COUNTY APPROVED AN IV PARK AND THEY HAD TO PAY TO HOOK UP. THEY PAID TO TAKE THE PIPING SEVERAL MILES DOWN STATE ROAD OUT OF KEYSTONE HEIGHTS INTO THEIR PARK SO IF WE NEED SOMETHING TO LOOK AT, THIS OF

ALLOW FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT -- >> THEY WILL HAVE ADEQUATE WATER AND SEWER, I'M NOT SURE IF IT WILL BE INDIVIDUAL, BUT IT WILL BE LAID OUT WHEN WE PRESENT THE PROJECT TO YOU. THERE WILL BE A SYSTEM FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

>> BUT THEY ARE AGAINST HAVING AN RV PARK. >> THEY ACTUALLY VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT. THE ACTUAL PLAN, THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THE RECOMMENDATION FOR

THE PUD REZONING. >> WHAT DID THEY NOT VOTE IN FAVOR OF?

THEY DID SAY ADDING THE CAMPGROUND. >> THEY SAID IT THAT DIDN'T PASS

THIS WOULD BE ALLOWED. >> AND HAVING CAMPGROUND AS A CONDITIONAL USE.

YOU DO NOT WANT, IT GOES TO ONE OF YOUR COMMENTS, THIS IS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION YOU DO NOT WANT THEM TO HAVE AS A CONDITIONAL USED TO SET UP A CAMPGROUND.

THAT IS WHAT THEY VOTED AGAINST WHICH STAFF AGREED WITH. WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, I HAVE THIS RESTRICTION AND DO IT THROUGH PUD. WHAT WE HAVE TO ADD CURRENTLY IS UNDER A PUD. YOU DON'T HAVE IT AS CONDITIONAL USE A CAMPGROUND.

SO WILL BE UP TO PEERING FORWARD IS AT PAR A PUD TO HAVE A CAMPGROUND.

THEN HAVING A CAMPGROUND ON THEIR SPIRIT AND THAT GIVES PRECEDENT FOR THAT.

>> IT WILL ALLOW YOU TO COME FORWARD AND USE THIS AS A CONDITIONAL USE, YES.

>> WHAT DOES IT TAKE THEM OUT TO BUILD CAMPGROUND WITHOUT ANY CHANGES.

>> CURRENTLY UP TO GET YOUR PROPERTY REZONED. >> DO WE ONLY HAVE ONE ZONING DISTRICT THAT ALLOWS THE CAMPGROUND? IT IS EITHER PS ONE OR PS TWO, WHAT IS THE CONTRAST? WHY WOULD I DO ONE OVER THE OTHER?

>> THERE ARE CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS. WHEN THIS IS BROUGHT FORWARD,

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THEY HAVE EVENT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU. >> JUST A MOTION FOR

CONTINUANCE. >> WE NEED TO CONTINUE FOR SEPTEMBER 28.

WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING WE ARE JUST KICKING IT DOWN THE ROAD.

>> SECOND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I DID SEE WHERE WE ALLOWED

THIS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT IS. >> YOU COME DOWN SOUTH AND WE

WILL TEACH YOU. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY CHARLES AND DALE CAN HANDLE IT.

>> YOU CAN COME SOUTH. >> WE ARE VOTING TO CONTINUE IT. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE IT

CARRIES 5-0. >> ITEM 30, PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PUBLIC HEARING REZONING APPLICATION PUD-21-ZERO TWO. ASKING FOR A CONTINUATION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION CONTINUED THEIR MEETING ON IT UNTIL THE SEVENTH. THERE WERE SOME ISSUES THEY WANTED TO SEE FROM THE APPLICANT. WE ALREADY ADVERTISED IT.

STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT YOU CONTINUE THIS HEARING AND IT IS REALLY UP TO THE BOARD WHETHER THEY WANT TO GO. THEY COULD TURN SOMETHING AROUND QUICKLY TO GET IT ON YOUR AGENDA

>> WHY DON'T WE JUST GO BACK TO THE 28TH. >> THAT IS ONE WHERE YOU HAVE ONE OF THE RAVINES THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO CONVERT WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE LAUNCH WHICH WAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL FACILITY. I UNDERSTAND IT HAS NOT BEEN UTILIZED FOR A WHILE AND CONVERT THAT TO A MULTI FAMILY UNIT, THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW, THE OUTSTANDING ISSUE IS EXACTLY HOW MANY UNITS AND IT WOULD NOT INCREASE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS ALLOWED WITHIN THE PUD BUT TRANSFORMING -- TRANSFERRING SOME OF THE UNITS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED TO THE LOCATION SO THIS WILL NOT BE EXCEEDED. THE APPLICANT IS WORKING ON PROVIDING INFORMATION THAT SHOWS EXACTLY HOW MANY UNITS ARE AVAILABLE. THAT IS WHAT THE PLANNING

COMMISSION CONTINUED THEIR MEETING FOR. >> ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

>> DO YOU KNOW WITH THIS SUBMISSION DO YOU KNOW THE SIZE? >> THE SIZE OF THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS, APPROXIMATELY? APPLICATION. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE APARTMENT? IT WAS HOW MANY UNITS IT WOULD BE CONVERTED TO.

I CAN FIND THAT INFORMATION OUT. >> I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO KNOW.

>> LOOK AT WHAT IT USED TO BE AND WHAT IT IS TODAY, IT HAS CHANGED.

>> WE CAN GET THEM. >> I WAS LOOKING TO SEE IF I COULD SEE THAT NUMBER.

>> FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE ARE RESIDENTS WHO MAY OWN THREE PROPERTIES AND THEY ONLY BUILD

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CAN NOW NOT BUILD ON THE PROPERTIES. >> THEY ARE RESPONDING WITH A

LETTER SAYING THEY ARE FORGOING THAT AND GIVING IT UP. >> THEY HAVE TO RELINQUISH THE

RIGHT. >> HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT. >> THEY KNOW THAT.

IN ONE OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS E CANNOT BUILD ON HIS ANYHOW AS A RESULT.

>> THERE ARE 11. >> RIGHT NOW IT WILL BE 9-10. >> BUT THERE'S ONLY TWO PROPERTY

OWNERS WHO HAVE TO RELINQUISH. THE OTHERS ARE AVAILABLE. >> THAT IS WHAT WE ARE

CONFIRMING AND WHAT WE WANT ON PAPER. >> THIS IS AN EYESORE FROM WHAT I HEAR. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD. THIS IS TO MAKE IT LOOK NICER

AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE MAINTAINED. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

[30.  5:00 or as soon thereafter as can be heard: Public Hearing to Consider Rezoning Application PUD-21-02 (Planning Commission voted 7-0 to continue) (M.Brown)]

>> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ITEM NUMBER 30? IS THERE ANYONE INTERESTED IN

SPEAKING ON ITEM NUMBER 30? >> MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT A CARD.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION, WHERE IS THE LODGE LOCATED? >> DO YOU MEAN SPECIFICALLY? SO, I WAS THINKING OF A HOTEL. IT'S NOT THE LODGE? MY CONCERN IS, IT'S A HOTEL NOW?

IT IS A RESIDENTIAL AND THEY WANT TO CONVERTED? >> IT HAS NOT BEEN USED.

IT'S A IT'S AN AREA. >> I JUST NEEDED CLARIFICATION. >> MR. OTTO.

>> JAMES OUT OF. I AM SURE THE RAVINES ARE HAPPY TO SEE THIS BECOME FURNISHED.

CALL IT'S A GATED COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE SOME NICE PLACES. I AM GLAD TO SEE THEY ARE GETTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE. I WAS HOPING YOU GUYS WOULD GET A GOLF COURT. WE ARE LOSING THE REVEALING. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FAMILY

ACTIVITY, PLAYING GOLF. THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL VOTE TO CONTINUE.

>> WE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL SEPTEMBER 28. ALL IN FAVOR SAY YES.

WE ARE DONE WITH NUMBER 30. WE ARE DONE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE TIME CERTAIN SPIRIT WILL MOVE BACK TO THE AGENDA. IF I CAN FIND IT.

THERE WE GO. NUMBER TEN. WE WILL DO THE REDISTRICTING.

[10.  Redistricting Update]

COURTNEY, DO YOU WANT TO START. >> YES, I WILL START AND THEN TROY CAN HELP.

THE COUNTY HAS RECEIVED THE INFORMATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE CONSENSUS DONE IN 2020.

WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH REDISTRICTING AS NEEDED TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW TO BASICALLY SHIFT NEEDED POPULATION. WHAT I LAID OUT IN THE BACKGROUND INFORMTION, WE MET WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION CAME UP WITH A TIMEFRAME BY THE END OF DECEMBER.

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THE PROCEDURES OCCURRED THE LAST TIME. THE CRITERIA LAID OUT IS THE CRITERIA THAT WAS USED WHEN THE REDISTRICTING WAS DONE. ONE THING WE HAVE ADDED, WHICH WE HAVE WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IN ORDER TO GET THE DISTRICTS TO ALIGN BETWEEN THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AND MEETING WITH THEM. THROUGH THE NEXT TIMEFRAME PUTTING TOGETHER MAPS.

WE WILL WORK WITH THEM TO SEE WHERE WE ARE BEFORE WE COME BACK BASED ON THE TIMELINE.

WE JUST NEED DIRECTION IF YOU ARE GOOD WITH THE TIMELINE AND THE PROPOSAL AND THE CRITERIA.

>> I'M FINE WITH THE TIMELINE. WE HAVE TO HAVE IT DONE, I THINK COURTNEY HAS LAID OUT A REALISTIC TIMEFRAME AND INTERIOR. THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK MORE ABOUT. IS EVERYONE ON BOARD TO COORDINATE TO GO ALONG WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD? I HAVE SPOKEN TO THREE MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD I THINK IT IS LONG OVERDUE IT CHANGED IN ONE DIRECTION. WHEN THEY WERE DONE, THEY HAD A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ARRANGEMENT. ANYBODY WHO CAN COORDINATE, THAT

IS THE WAY TO DO THIS. >> IT'S CONFUSING. >> WHEN PEOPLE ASK YOU WHICH DISTRICT THEY ARE IN, I THINK IT IS WORTH THE EFFORT AND IT WILL ASSIST THE CITIZENS TO KEEP TRACK OF WHERE THEY ARE AND THE REPRESENTATIVES. I THINK THE CRITERIA IS GOOD, FROM ONE STANDPOINT WE DIDN'T PUT IT IN BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT ADDED.

I THINK, FROM THIS POINT WE ARE LOOKING AT DOING IT SO NO ONE IS SITTING AT AN ELECTIVE SEAT HAS MOVED OUT OF THE DISTRICT OR HAS THERE DISTRICT MOVED ON THEM. THEY DON'T END UP WITH DISTRICT AFTER THE TIMEFRAME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DRAW THE LINES AND NOT DRAW SOMEONE OUT

OF THE DISTRICT. >> I DON'T THINK I AM IN DANGER OF THAT.

>> WE CAN GET CRAZY WITH THE LINES. >> ANYONE ELSE WITH COMMENTS OR

CRITERIA. >> HOW IS THIS DONE NORMALLY,? >> WHAT WAS DONE IN 2011, TROY AND HIS TEAM, THEY, WITH 3-5 MAPS THAT SHIFT THE DISTRICTS AROUND, AND THEN WE WILL GET WITH YOU TO BRING THEM TO THE BOARD AND AT WHAT POINT WE WILL GO OUT TO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE

COMES BACK. >> BUT WE MAKE THE FINAL DECISION?

>> FOR THOSE WHO MAY BE WATCHING WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT THAT WE ARE SHIFTING IT IS BASED ON THE SENSES, EACH OF OUR DISTRICTS HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IN EACH

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DISTRICT OR THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO YIELD A GOAL. >>

>> IN DISTRICT THREE IT'S 39,000 AND CHANGE. AND AN DISTRICT FIVE IT'S

40,000. SO I HAVE MORE THAN ANYONE. >> YOU ARE $10,000 OVER THE GOAL. THESE DO NOT HAVE TO GO TO THE SPIRIT.

>> THIS IS WHERE THEY ARE DOING WORK AND MAYBE THERE WAS ALSO AN ISSUE OF PETITIONS FOR THE NEXT ELECTION. SOMEONE TOLD ME THAT, THERE'S NO DISTRICTS THIS TIME.

>> WHATEVER PETITIONS YOU NEED. >> CARNET DOES HAVE THE RUNDOWN AND TERMS OF THE TIMING AND YOU

WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD TAKE ON YOUR TEAM'S PART. >> THE TEAM CREATED FIVE MAPS THAT BROKE THE POPULATION AND THE GUIDANCE WE HAD WE TRIED TO GET WITHIN 1%.

THEN WE MET TO FIND WHAT MAPS YOU SUPPORT. AND THEN THE BOARD WOULD APPROVE US TAKING THAT TO THE PUBLIC. ONCE WE HAD PUBLIC FEEDBACK WE BROUGHT IT BACK FOR FINAL

ADOPTION. >> I THINK TROY WAS COORDINATING TO SEE HOW THEY OVERLAY AND WORK

OUT. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> ADDING TO THE CRITERIA SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TO SEE IF IT IS POSSIBLE AND TALK TO THE SUPERVISOR ABOUT THAT.

>> WE WILL LOOK AT IT. >> IN TERMS OF THE UPDATE, DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE A TIMELINE? DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD IN TERMS OF HOW WE ARE LIVING FORWARD?

>> WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD AND THAT'S REPRESENTED HERE TODAY.

[11.  Opioid Litigation - Approval of Mallinckrodt Bankruptcy Plan (C. Grimm)]

>> MOVED TO NUMBER 11, OPIOID LITIGATION. >> THIS IS SIMILAR TO PREVIOUSLY WHERE YOU HAD TO PROVIDE AUTHORIZATION TO FORWARD WITH THE BANKRUPTCY PLAN.

THIS IS JUST REQUESTING THAT YOU FOLLOW THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE MOVING FORWARD.

>> >> >> THEY WERE WAKING TO PROVIDE THE RECOMMENDATION AND SEEING IF YOU WOULD FOLLOW SUIT WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

>> IS THAT THE DEADLINE TO VOTE IS SEPTEMBER 3 AT 4:00 P.M. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON SECOND

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[12.  Approval of ARP and Impact Fee Implementations]

IMPLEMENTATION SPIRIT. >> AT THE WORKSHOP THERE WERE SEVERAL ACTION ITEMS WE WERE ASKED TO BRING BACK TO THE BOARD. TODAY WE ARE SEEKING APPROVAL TO MOVE FORWARD. THE FIRST ONE IS THE SPENDING PLAN FOR THE FIVE ITEMS REIMBURSE THE COUNTY HEALTH CARE PLAN. THE MOVING OF THE BUILDING AND THE JAIL IMPROVEMENTS AND MOVE THE STUDY FROM THE RESCUE PLAN. THAN ONE NUMBER THAT DID CHANGE WAS THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. WE ORIGINALLY SAID $4 MILLION. THE BIDS CAME IN WITH ALL OF THE ALTERNATIVES. THIS WAS UNTIL THE BOARD MAKES THE FINAL DECISIO OF WHICH PLAN TO GO WITH FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM ONE BY ONE. WE WILL START WITH THE BROADBAND.

NO QUESTIONS. >> THIS WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE FUNDING THIS IS WHERE WE EXPECT IS OUT TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE. THEY HAVE CAPITAL. THEY WANT TO INVEST THEY JUST CAN'T GET THE NUMBERS. WE WILL EVALUATE THE PROPOSALS AND BRING THEM TO THE BOARD.

YOU MAY HAVE 3-4 DIFFERENT APPROACHES WHEN WE BRING BACK THE PROPOSALS THE BOARD CAN DECIDE OUR PURCHASING POLICY WE CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT A FUNDING STRING.

>> WE DON'T KNOW IF THE ( INDISCERNIBLE ). >> IT DEPENDS ON HOW BIG OF AN AREA YOU ARE TRYING TO SERVE THEM WELL POPULATION. WHEN WE PUT THE PLAN AND WE HAD A FIRM THAT SAID THEY COULD DO WIRELESS BASED INTERNET SERVICE FOR UNDER $500,000.

IT WILL BE A MATTER OF HOW MANY PEOPLE AND WHAT THEIR PLANS LOOK LIKE THERE THIS GIVES US A WAY

TO START. >> THE COUNTY HEALTH PLAN. IT HELPS US, WE SELF-INSURE.

THIS SELL PLUS OUT WITH EXPENSES AND COSTS. AND IT ELSE TO REDUCE THE MONTHLY AMOUNT EACH TEAM MEMBER PAYS. I DON'T THINK JENNIFER IS HERE.

>> SHE DID SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. >> WE CAN ASK HER TO COME IN AND SPEAK SPECIFICALLY.

>> I WAS NOT HERE AT THE WORKSHOP. >> THAT IS.

>> THIS WILL IMPACT EVERY ASPECT OF THE COUNTY. >> SHE IS ON THE SPOT.

>> $2 MILLION REIMBURSEMENT. >> AT LAST WEEK'S MEETING WE DID NOT CROSS THE MARK.

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TO BE REIMBURSED. >> PREMIUM INCREASES WE WOULD'VE SEEN WITH THE COVID-19 CLAIMS.

>> YES. >> >> THIS IS WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE WORKSHOP. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT IS HOW TO USE THE MONEY TO OFFSET SOME OF THE EXPENSES AND THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. WE CAN PULL THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OUT, USE THAT MONEY FOR ANOTHER PROJECT WILL REDUCE THE DEFICIT.

AND STILL DO THE PROJECT. >> LET'S DO THE WHOLE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PROJECT.

>> THESE ARE STILL BEING EVALUATED. THIS WILL COVER EVERYTHING THAT

NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> THIS WAS TO PROVIDE FUNDING TO CONVERT AREAS OF THE CURRENT FACILITY ALSO NEED IMPROVEMENTS AT THE JAIL FOR AIR CONDITIONING THAT WAS NOT IN THE BUDGET.

TO BE ABLE TO SPLIT THE TIME BETWEEN THE FLOORS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I UNDERSTAND THEM ON ONE FOR AND THE TEAM IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ITEMS IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

>> HOW DOES THIS GO WITH THE $30 MILLION REQUEST. >> IT IS UNFAIR TO ASK TROY

THAT. >> SHOULD SOMEONE FROM THE TEAM COME UP AND HELP WITH THAT.

>> THE LIEN OFF, THIS $4.5 MILLION IS MULTIPLE ITEMS THIS IS ALSO ADDRESSING WHAT WAS

DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP FOR THE TWO AREAS. >> WITH THE 4.8 MILLION, ADDITIONAL BED SPACE. WE NEED TO REPLACE OUR AGING HANDLERS.

PROVIDE MEDICAL SERVICES ON MULTIPLE FLOORS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MEDICAL THIS REQUIRES MORE STAFFING AND IT IS TYPICALLY MORE DANGEROUS TO TAKE THEM UP AND DOWN WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO POVIDE MEDICAL SERVICES. LOOKING TO PUT MEDICAL DOOR REPLACEMENT THEN AND LICENSED MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELOR. WE ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING.

THIS IS REPLACING TILE FLOOR WITH POLISHED CONCRETE WHICH MAKES THE SPACE SAFER.

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THE 30 MILLION-DOLLAR PLAN THAT'S FLUID, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE SPACE AND WE WILL PROVIDE YOU PAPERWORK THIS WEEK, EVERYTHING, EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE ARE SPENDING WITH OUR MONEY IS WITH THE THOUGHTS OF HOW WE CAN REPURPOSE MORE SPACE.

>> IT WILL BE USED EVEN IF WE USE THE OTHER FACILITY? AND AS FAR AS THE VISITATION, WHAT WOULD YOU DO FOR VISITORS. WE WILL HAVE A SMALL VISITATION AREA.

COBIT MADE US REALIZE WE COULD DO THAT SUCCESSFULLY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>> WE DID AN ADJUSTMENT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS. I THINK THE FINAL NUMBER IS, 4.8. LIKE I SAID WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF, AND IT IS FLUID AS WE GO THROUGH THE PLANS. YOUR 1 FOOT CONTOURS WHICH ARGUES TO DO YOUR STORMWATER

MODEL WHICH WILL SHOW THE AREAS. >> IF YOU HAVE KEPT UP WITH THE NEWS FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY, YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE WEATHERED IS BECOMING MORE SEVERE.

WAVERLEY, TENNESSEE SALT 17 INCHES F RAIN IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD THAT CAUSED A CREEK -- CREEK THAT NEVER ROSE, 22 BEFORE DEAD OR MISSING, WE NEED TO COMBINE THAT WITH THE RISING SEA LEVEL AND FIGURE OUT WHERE WE NEED TO BEAT SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON WHATEVER PROJECTS WE

DECIDE TO MOVE ON. >> WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE,. >> THIS WOULD NOT BE PART OF ITEM 22. IT IS A RESILIENCY GRANT WHICH IS A STUDY FOR STORMWATER RISE.

THEY ARE PARALLEL BUT THEY ARE NOT TOGETHER. ONE HAS TO DO WITH, 3 INCHES OF RAIN, AND WHERE DOES IT GO AND THE OTHER ONE IS DOING A FLOW. THEY ARE PARALLEL BUT NOT

TOGETHER. >> ARE WE GOING TO TRY TO GET THEM TOGETHER.

WHERE DOES IT GO? >> I THINK WE WILL PUT IT ALL TOGETHER AND GET A COMPLETE PACKAGE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AT BOTH

SIDES, THAT IS NOT MY EXPERTISE. >> WHERE IS OUR ENGINEER? >> I KNOW WHAT I KNOW BUT I

DON'T KNOW THAT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON ORCHID EVENING.

YOU ARE CORRECT, I SEE THE FIRST STEP, AND DOING THE LIGHT DOOR THAT WILL SET A FOUNDATION.

I SEE AS WE ARE STUDYING THE SEA LEVEL RISE AND THE OCEAN RISE, YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THEM.

AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, NO OPTION BUT TO ADDRESS IT TOGETHER.

I AM HOPEFUL FROM A CONSULTANT PERSPECTIVE WE CAN FIND SOMEONE WHO DEALS WITH BOTH AREAS.

>> HOW DO WE KNOW THAT WE WILL GET A TRUE STUDY VERSUS SOMEONE'S OPINION ON CLIMATE CHANGE. CLIMATE CHANGE, GLOBAL WARMING, I WILL TALK ABOUT THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM. IT IS A POLITICAL LIGHTNING ROD. I AM NOT INTERESTED AND SPENDING

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$1.3 MILLION. SO, WHERE DID THIS COME FROM? >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT, WAS WHEN THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS ABOUT DOING A COUNTYWIDE DRAINAGE STUDY.

THAT WAS DONE INTERNALLY. WHILE IT WAS A GOOD EFFORT, IT DID NOT SOLVE OUR ISSUES OF HAVING TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. TALKING TO TROY, ONE OF THE THINGS MOST VALUABLE IS THIS WORK. THAT WILL SET THE FOUNDATION. FROM THAT, WE CAN BROKE THE INFORMATION INTO SHORT-TERM FIXES INTO E-MAILS WE GET EVERY DAY REGARDING DRAINAGE ISSUES BUT ALSO FROM LOOKING AT THE SEA LEVEL RISE THAT BECOMES MORE A STRATEGIC PIECE.

I THINK THE AREA IS DEBATABLE BUT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US CAN DISAGREE THE INTENSITY OF THE RAINFALL IS JUST INCREDIBLE. I THINK WE LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION LAST WEEK FOR JUST ORANGE PARK, 12 INCHES AND 12 DAYS. THAT IS INCREDIBLE.

NOT ONLY IS THAT A HIGH AMOUNT OF RAINFALL IT WAS INTENSE, WHICH IS EVEN HARDER FOR THE SYSTEM TO HANDLE. ONE THING WE SEE BECAUSE WE ARE BLESSED WITH SO MUCH WATER IS MOST OF THE SYSTEMS ARE SURCHARGE SPIRIT WHILE I AM WITH YOU, I DO NOT WANT TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY ON A STUDY, WE WILL BE SMART BUT WE WANT TO BE REALISTIC ON WHAT WE MAY NEED.

I HOPE THE DOLLARS COME IN CHEAPER BECAUSE I WOULD RATHER PUT IT INTO INVESTMENTS.

BUT THIS STUDY WILL BE A VALUABLE TOOL FOR NOT ONLY MIGHT SEE MAN RICHARD SAME FOR NOW BUT FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. I THINK IT IS A GOOD BASE, I THINK IT WILL HELP US TO MAKE SMART DECISIONS AND I THINK IT WILL HELP US BE MORE COMPETITIVE FOR GRANTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE

WE WANT TO DO FROM A DRAINAGE PERSPECTIVE. >> WHEN I WENT TO COMMISSIONER SCHOOL THEY HAD A CLASS ON WHAT WILL HAPPEN, THERE WAS A LOT OF RED STUFF ON THE MAP ON THE ST. JOHNS RIVER. THE PUNCHLINE AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION WAS, AT SOME POINT FOLKS, WE WILL HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE WE CANNOT MAKE THE WATER GO AWAY ANYMORE AND THEY WILL HAVE TO MOVE. I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO GET AHEAD OF US -- THIS AND GET A GOOD SOLID STUDY SO WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN FIX AND WHAT WE CAN'T DEAL WITH.

THERE WILL BE SOME OF THAT AS WELL. >> WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED DOWN THAT ROAD WITH THE VOLUNTARY HOME BY L. THIS IS A FLOODING AREA.

>> WE CANNOT KEEP IT COMING IN. >> YOU CAN DEBATE THE CAUSE BUT YOU CANNOT DEBATE THE FACT THAT SEA LEVEL IS RISING. YOU CAN GO TO MIAMI AND ON NORMAL DAYS THE STREETS WILL

FLOOD. IT IS HAPPENING EVERYWHERE. >> WHEN I WAS AT CAMP, EVERY TIME THE TIDE GOES UP THE PARKING LOT FLOOD SPIRIT THAT IS A PRIME EXAMPLE.

WE DO HAVE SOME ISSUES DOWN BY COMMISSIONER RENNINGER'S AREA. THE AREAS THAT ARE STARTING TO FLOOD. THIS IS REAL. WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE

CAN EXPECT TO AFFORD TO FIX AND WILL BE CAN'T. >> I AM EXCITED.

I THINK THIS WILL GIVE US A TOOL THAT CAN SERVE THE CITIZENS AND BE MORE RESPONSIVE AND FACTUAL.

WE ARE JUST NOT CHASING ISSUES. >> AS LONG AS WE USE IT. I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE A

MILLION-DOLLAR STUDY THAT GOES INTO THE CLOSET. >> WE DON'T JUST HIRE A CONSULTANT. WHEN WE HIRE THE FOLKS THEY ARE PART OF THE TEAM AND WE HAVE TO BE PART OF THE SUCCESS AND WE HAVE TO CONTROL AND STEER THE DIRECTION OF THE OUTPUT AND MONITOR THE DELIVERABLES. THIS IS A BIG INVESTMENT BUT AS LONG AS WE MANAGE SMARTLY, IT

WILL GIVE US A GREAT TOOL AND THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE A TOOL. >> I KNOW IT'S NOT A SPECIFIC

NUMBER BUT HOW DID WE ARRIVE AT THAT NUMBER? >> I WOULD DEFER TO TROY ON THAT

ONE. >> WE ACTUALLY PULLED SOME NUMBERS FROM OTHER COUNTIES.

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I WORKED THERE FOR A WHILE. THEY DO IT EVERY 3-4 YEARS. THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR 15-20 YEARS. WE USED NUMBERS FROM RFPS THAT WE HAVE SEEN.

WE USE NUMBERS FROM THE STUDY. WE PUT THE TWO NUMBERS TOGETHER AND SAID OKAY IF YOU DO THE ENTIRE PROJECT, THIS IS WHERE WE THINK WE NEED TO BE. HOPEFULLY, THERE ARE COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT WANT THE BUSINESS AND WITH TECHNOLOGY CHANGING, YOU JUST HAVE TO GO OUT AND PUT STAKES IN THE GROUND. RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T DO IT, THEY JUST FLY OVER THE COUNTY.

TECHNOLOGY KEEPS CHANGING BUT GETTING BETTER AND BETTER. >> JUST REALLY QUICKLY IF I MAY, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IN THE CIP IT WAS INDIVIDUAL DRAINAGE STUDIES PUT IN THEIR.

THERE WERE ROOMS FOR ISOLATED AREAS. >> WILL THAT NEGATE THE NEED --

>> THAT IS WHAT WE SAID MOVE IT INTO AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN. WE WOULD NOT NEED THE MONEY TO

TIME. >> I WILL COMMENT THAT WHILE WE ARE WAITING FOR THE STUDY THERE WERE SOME AREAS WE WERE FOCUSING ON. WE WILL FEED THAT INFORMATION TO

THE BIGGER STUDY. >> ARI WE STILL AT $100,000? >> YOU SAID THE FOUR AND HALF

MILLION DOLLARS ON JAIL IMPROVEMENTS IS NOW -- >> THEY HAVE FINE-TUNED THE

NUMBERS. >> AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS? MY ONLY QUESTION IS, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE AND IT MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE BUT AT THE NEXT MEETING, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT THIS DOES TO THE CIP AT THIS POINT.

>> WE WILL ACTIVELY WORK ON THAT. >> ANYTHING ELSE?

>> WILL REDO THEM ONE AT A TIME OR AT THE SAME TIME IN A GROUP IN TERMS OF SPENDING?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION WE MOVE ALL FIVE PROJECTS AND FREE UP THAT SUM OF MONEY.

>> SECOND. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE EXECUTION? IT SAYS BEGIN EXECUTION.

>> ALLOW US TO GO OFF OF THE RFPS. THE ONLY CLARIFICATION IS, THE

UPDATED NUMBER, DOES YOUR NUMBER INCLUDE THE UPDATED NUMBER? >> AND INCLUDING EXECUTION.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE MOTION RIGHT. >> WE HAVE THE $42 MILLION RIGHT

>> WE HAVE $21 MILLION IN THE BANK. >> OKAY WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? WE HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BOLLA. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

IT CARRIES 550. WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE SECOND PART OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED THE

IMPACT FEE PROJECTS. >> SO AGAIN, WE PROPOSE, WE HAVE THE IMPACT DEEP MONEY ACCUMULATING AS IT HAS BEEN COLLECTED. WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PROJECTS THAT WE CAN PUT THEM IN THE BUDGET, THAT WAY THE TEAM CAN MOVE FORWARD STARTED WITH THE NEW BUDGET YEAR. THIS IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP.

IT WOULD BE 4.4 MILLION TO CONTINUE FROM THE POINT OF THE BONDED ROAD UNTIL AS FAR AS WE CAN GO. THIS ROAD, 315 LANE EXPANSION. AND THEN RADAR ROAD, I WILL PUT A CAVEAT ALONG RADAR ROAD, THE TPL JUST COMPLETED THEIR. THEY COMPLETED THEIR STUDY OF

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CHARICE TEAM IS LOOKED OUT THE IMPROVEMENTS THE STUDY SAID, AND YOUR TEAM CAME BACK AT $4.8 MILLION WITH PART OF THE NUMBER THAT THEY LOOKED AT AGAIN AS OF 2:00 P.M. TODAY.

>> IS THERE FOR .8 DOLLARS AND THAT FUND? IN THE ZONE THAT IS AVAILABLE TO

SPEND IN THAT AREA? >> BEAR IS $7 MILLION TOTAL. WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT

PRIORITIZING THE BOTTOM PROJECT SPIRIT. >> NUMBER ONE IS IN A ZONE BY ITSELF. TWO, THREE AND FOUR BY THEMSELVES.

YOU WOULD BE AT 7.4 AND I THINK THERE IS $7 MILLION IN THAT ACCOUNT.

IT WOULD BE CLOSE, WE ASK THAT YOU PRIORITIZE THE PROJECTS, I WOULD RECOMMEND RADAR ROAD BECAUSE THAT IS A CURRENT PROJECT. GIVE YOU MOVED RADAR ROAD OUT OF CIP IT WOULD FREE UP THE DOLLARS. THIS IS LOOKING AT IT FROM THE

CIP SIDE. >> I DID AS FOR FEEDBACK FROM THE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT AND OVERWHELMINGLY COUNTY ROAD 218 WIDENING TO BLUE JAYS OR AS FAR AS THEY CAN GET IS REPORTED.

>> AS THE ONLY ONE IN THERE. >> THE BUILDINGS WILL BE THERE. >> SO COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE GOOD WITH THE 218 EDITION. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THAT? LETS GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THAT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE COUNTY ROAD 218 TO USE IMPACT FEES TO

FURTHER THE PROJECT. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES. MOVING INTO THE RADAR ROAD RECOMMENDATION. WE GOT TURNED DOWN BY THE STATE A COUPLE TIMES.

THEY DID NOT WANT TO DO A TRAFFIC SIGNAL. THEY WANTED THE TRAFFIC TO MOVE

WEST AND THEN NORTH AND TOWNCENTER. >> THIS WOULD GIVE US MORE

HORSEPOWER TO GET IT DONE. >> DID THEM SIGNAL?& >> IT WAS A SIGNAL.

(SPEAKING AWAY FROM MICROPHONE). >> IF YOU HAVE SEEN THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT

THAT. >> RICHARD SMITH CLAY COUNTY ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT.

THE TPL HAD AN INTERSECTION THERE. THERE WAS NO LEFT TURN FROM RADAR ROAD TO GO NORTH. THERE WAS LEFT TURNS ON THE RADAR ROAD AND SOUTHBOUND AND THEY WOULD EXIT SOUTHBOUND ONLY. IT CONTINUED OVER TO THE ROUNDABOUT.

THIS WAS FOR TOWNCENTER. >> ORIGINALLY, THEY INDICATED THEY DID NOT THINK WE COULD JOIN

AT THE ROUNDABOUT BUT YOU THINK WE CAN? >> WE LET THEM KNOW THERE IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY OWNED BY ONE OF THE CDS, IT IS BETWEEN THE ROUNDABOUT WHICH IS COUNTY ROUND

-- >> I TALK TO THEM AND THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, THEY

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WILL ESPECIALLY BE IN FAVOR OF THE ROUNDABOUT ESSAYS ESSAY. >> IT DOES KEEP THE PARKING AND TAX AT THE LIBRARY, PUTS PRESSURE ON THE PART. DOESN'T CHANGE THE FIELD CONFIGURATIONS BUT IF THERE'S UP ON, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RELOCATED.

THERE WILL BE ACCESS TO A. >> THERE IS ACTUALLY, THERE IS A MID BLOCK CROSSING FROM THE

FRONT DOOR. >> I'D LIKE LIKE THE CONFIGURATION USED IN THE ROUNDABOUT. I CAN'T HELP -- UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE.

>> I'M SURE THIS IS PART OF IT. >> IF WE PUT OR IF WE DON'T PUT A SIGNAL THERE WE SHOULD PREVENT PEOPLE FROM TAKING A LEFT ACROSS SIX LINES OF TRAFFIC AND FORCING THE PEOPLE NOR TOO TO TOWNCENTER

THEY CAN GO THIS WAY. >> THE SIGNAL IS $200,000. THERE IS A PHYSICAL BARRIER SO, THAT WILL SAVE LIVES. THEY WILL HAVE THE SAME CHANNEL. THERE WILL BE NO LEFT TURNING

MOVEMENT OUT OF THERE. >> TELL ME WHEN YOU ARE ON THE TPL AND HAVE BEEN.

DOES THIS INDICATE THEY WILL MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE DOT? >> THEY SIT ON THE PART AS WELL AND IF WE HAVE A STUDY THEY HAVE HORSEPOWER TO DO IT. BUT THEY STILL HAVE A FINAL

WORD. >> IN TERMS OF THEIR WORK PROGRAM IT SEEMS, THEY HAVE TO

DO IS STUDY AND IT WILL TAKE A NUMBER OF YEARS THERE LIKE US. >> WE DON'T NEED THAT IN THE

BUDGET. >> WHAT I ASKED FOR IS PRETTY MINIMAL STUFF.

>> I WOULD HOLD MY BREATH. THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO AT THIS IS SOMETHING GOOD FOR CLAY

COUNTY FAIR. >> THE QUESTION WOULD BE, I'M SORRY THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD FOLKS HAVE SLIPPED OUT. BUT WE HAVE A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL GOING UP.

SO, IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A THIRD LANE BETWEEN THE WILLOW SPRINGS OF THE THREE LANE SECTION BILLED BY THAT DEVELOPER AND THE MAGNOLIA SPRINGS REAR ENTRANCE.

WE WILL CONTINUE THAT FOR THREE LANE TO FACILITATE THE TRAFFIC. THAT OPENS, I THINK THEY EXPECT STUDENTS THERE IN THE FALL OF BETWEEN THREE. THAT IS SET ASIDE AS A HIGH PRIORITY. SO YES, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ONE.

THAT WOULD BE THE HEAVY LIFTERS IN THAT DISTRICT AND FUND. >> THIS WOULD GO TO SIX-POINT

TOO IF MY MATH IS RIGHT. >> THE OTHER WOULD BE THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT ARTERY, AND MORE SIGNIFICANT ARTERY WITH 220.

THAT IS REALLY THE CHALLENGER BEING EXTENDED SELL. RIGHT NOW IT IS A TWO LANE

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SECTION. >> YOU THINK IT'S GOOD FOR THAT. >>

>> THE PROJECT CONTINUES AND THE SECTION. IT IS A VERY USEFUL CONNECTOR TO

IMPROVE. >> THERE IS A LOT WE CAN USE. YOU CAN TELL DR HORTON HAS DONE THEIR IMPROVEMENTS AND THEY ARE GOING INTO THE ROAD THAT LEADS TO THE BACK ENTRANCE.

WE JUST NEED TO CONNECT THE TWO. THIS IS THE WEST SIDE. >> I THINK IN THAT POND, IT WAS MORE THAN $7 MILLION. IT WAS 7,233,000. IT GIVES A LITTLE BIT LEFT THERE

THAT WOULD BE $700,000 LESS. >> DO THESE DEVELOPMENTS, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT NEW APPROVALS, THOSE SUBDIVISIONS JUST LIKE ON RADAR ROAD, THEY WERE APPROVED YEARS AGO.

>> SO LIKE MAGNOLIA SPRINGS AND ALL OF THAT. >> THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN

PLACE. >> DO THEY HAVE TO PAY IMPACT DO YOU FOLLOW MY LOGIC?

SHE UNDERSTANDS WHAT I'M ASKING. >> SO,. >> THAT IS FOR BEAR ROBESPIERRE -- THAT IS FOR THEIR FUND THAT WAS IN PLACE FROM 2017 UNTIL THIS FEBRUARY.

THERE ARE DEVELOPMENTS STILL OUT THERE THAT WERE STARTED AND THEREFORE THERE WILL BE MORE MONEY TO COME INTO THE IMPACT FEE. INTO THOSE BUCKETS OF MONEY.

AFTER FEBRUARY 1, IT IS NOW THE MOBILITY FEED MONEY. >> A LOT OF CITIZENS ALWAYS ASK LIKE THE DEVELOPERS THAT ARE MAKING WHATEVER THE DEVELOPMENT IS TO ADD TRAFFIC TO THESE ROADS

>> WHY IS THAT DEVELOPER NOT CONTRIBUTING MONEY TO IMPROVING THE ROAD.

THE ROAD IS FINE THE WAY IT IS UNLESS YOU AT THE TRAFFIC. 315 IS THE SAME WAY.

IT IS NOT A PROBLEM UNTIL YOU HAD THE AND THE DEVELOPMENTS ON EITHER SIDE OF IT.

AND THEY ARE PAIN. >> AND THIS WILL BRING IT BACK BECAUSE WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE CIP. AS WE GET MORE MONEY INTO THE ACCOUNT, WE ALREADY KNOW THE PRIORITY AND THAT ALLOWS RICHARD TO START THE ENGINEERING. WE MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION BUT WE CAN START DOWN THAT PATH. THAT IS VERSUS WAITING UNTIL WE

HAVE EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR. >> >> THEY WILL VOTE ON THE BILLS

BEFORE THE END OF THE MONTH. >> >> NOT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR

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MOUTH, IS THAT WHICH YOU INDICATED? >> THE ROAD IS HERE AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY HAD ABOUT 30% OF COSTS AND THAT IS EVIDENTLY INVOLVED $2.3 MILLION AND WE CAN DO THAT FOR CLOSE TO 800. THERE IS SOME DEFINITE CAUTION THERE.

THESE ARE NEGOTIABLE. >> GL PROMOTION FLEX. >> I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE AND CONTINUE TO DEVELOP. USE OF THE IMPACT FEES.

THEY MADE A MOTION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? I SEE NONE WE CALL FOR THE VOTE. EVERYONE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? WE WILL MOVE THAT TO 5-0. ARE YOU STAYING WITH US WERE NUMBER 13?

>> THE LAST ITEM IS THE -- I'M SORRY. YOU'RE FINE.

THIS WILL BE QUICK. AUTHORIZATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IMPACT FEES AND STUDIES FOR THE OTHER POTENTIAL IMPACT FEES WE DISCUSSED AT THE WORKSHOP. THE PLAN WAS TO PUT IT INTO THE BUDGET FOR OCTOBER. BUT WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD

STUDY. >> COMMISSIONER BOLLA WASN'T HERE FOR THE WORKSHOP.

>> YOU CAN DO IT FOR CULTURE WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE PARKS AND MUSEUMS AND BUILDINGS.

POLICE, LAW ENFORCEMENT TYPE FACILITIES, PUBLIC SAFETY AND FIRE RESCUE.

AND I THINK CHARISSE PUT TOGETHER A MEMO, IT OUTLINES RESEARCH.

>> VERY MUCH LIKE THE TRANSPORTATION WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY.

>> MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS. >> MAY SPECIFY THE CATEGORIES WE

WANT THEM TO STUDY. >> THAT IS WHAT WE SUGGEST THE STUDY DOES.

IT'S MORE COMPREHENSIVE AND IT INVOLVES ALL OF THOSE. >> IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A MEMO,

GET A LOOK AT AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS LET US KNOW. >> WE HAVE TO DO THE STUDY TO

GET STARTED. >> AND THE POTENTIAL REVENUE IN THE FEES.

WHEN YOU SAY STUDY, YOU'RE TALKING INTERNAL? >>

>> >> LET'S UPGRADE. >> I WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL.

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>> CAN WE ALSO ADD INTO THE STUDY TO EXPLORE WAYS AND EVEN IF IT HAS TO GO BACK TO OUR LEGISLATORS, TO ASK THE STATE TO GRANDFATHER AND, THAT IS MY BIGGEST -- UNLESS YOUR BUILDING ON LAND YOU HAVE OWN. YOU OWN A PIECE OF PROPERTY. YOU OWN A FARM WITH 20-40 ACRES.

YOU WANT YOUR CHILD TO BUILD A HOUSE, THEY HAVE TO WRITE A CHECK THE SCHOOL ONE IS $9,000 I WILL AGREE TO THE STUDY OF THE STUDY CAN INCLUDE WHAT OTHER COUNTIES HAVE DONE IT.

IT'S PART OF YOUR MORTGAGE FOR 30 YEARS. YOU DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.

BUT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE TO WRITE THE CHECK. >>

>> IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING, THERE WOULD BE FUNDS. WITH THE WORDING?

>> >> YOU WILL PAY THE IMPACT FEE OUT OF OUR MONEY.

>> I HAVE BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE. WE TRIED TO DO THAT, THE DEAL WAS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO THE IMPACT FEE IS IF IT WAS EQUAL FOR EVERYONE.

THE ONLY WAY TO GET OUT OF IT WAS TO TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND AND WE PAID THE IMPACT THE. THE ALERT TO THAT IS AND THEY GO AHEAD AND.

>> ANYTHING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE IMPACT FEE, A STUDY ON THE ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.

ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0.

>> THE LAST ITEM WAS, THE TWO ITEMS THAT CAME UP DURING THE WORKSHOP.

THE BUSINESS LICENSE, AND THE POTENTIAL FOR UTILITY SERVICE TAXPAYER I WILL BRING THOSE BACK , NOT AT THIS TIME BUT AT A LATER TIME IF THAT IS THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD.

>> I GUESS I'M THE CHAMPION FOR THE UTILITY TAX. I THINK THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO GET EVERYONE LIVES IN CLAY COUNTY TO PAY MONEY TOWARDS MAKING THIS A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE BURDEN , THIS JUST TAXES THE PEOPLE LIVE HERE. THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE LIVING HERE THAT OWN PROPERTY IN CLAY COUNTY. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THAT FAIR, IS TO CHARGE SOME UNIVERSAL KIND OF TAX. WE ALREADY GOT A 4% TAX ON ELECTRICITY.

WE HAVE NO TAX ON WATER, WHICH EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE UNITED STATES IS RUNNING OUT OF THE STUFF. WE ARE BLESSED WITH IT. LET'S USE OUR ASSETS WELL.

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THEY HAD A MASSIVE RATE INCREASE 5-6 YEARS AGO. PEOPLE WERE SCREAMING ABOUT IT BUT IF WE WOULD HELP THEM BY CHARGING A SMALL TAX ON WATER, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING IN MY MIND. I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE THREATENING US BY SAYING, WE WILL TELL ALL OF THE RIGHT PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE CHARGING A TAXPAYER GIVE WE WILL CHARGE A TAXPAYER BECAUSE WHAT WE DO. WE NEED THE MONEY. EVERYONE PAYS $5 AND THAT IS IT.

WE SPREAD IT OUT. THAT IS HOW I SEE IT. >> OF THE OTHER ITEM HERE IS BUSINESS LICENSE. I GOT A CALL LAST WEEK OF AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAD A PURVEYOR OF MOSQUITO CONTROL, KNOCK ON HIS DOOR AND FOR $379 THEY WOULD READ HIS PROPERTY OF MOSQUITO SPIRIT I DID TELL HIM, WE COVERED THAT. HE SAID I KNOW, I AM JUST SAYING THESE GUYS ARE OUT THERE. HE HAD TO CHASE THE GUY OFF OF HIS ROUTE.

THE GUY WAS INSPECTING HIS ROOF WITHOUT PERMISSION. THIS WAS DURING A NON- HURRICANE. WE PROVIDE NO OVERSIGHT OF BUSINESSES AND OUR COUNTIES FOR RESIDENTS. I AM TELLING YOU, THIS GUY CALLED ME.

I AM WONDERING HOW MANY ELDERLY PEOPLE DID NOT CALL ME AND HAD THEIR PROPERTY RID OF MOSQUITOES FOR $379. BUT TO HAVE THIS COUNTY AND NOT HAVE ANY IDEA OF THE BUSINESSES.

NOT HAVE ANY CONTROL. ANYONE CAN COME AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT, AND WE WILL TRY TO CAPTURE THEM IS THE WRONG WAY TO APPROACH THIS. I SUPPORT THE BUSINESS TAX.

I SUPPORT THE BUSINESS ACCESS WELFARE ENVIRONMENT RESPONDING TO A FIRE AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS IN THE BUILDING WHEN THEY GO RUNNING IN THERE. BUT TO ME IS A BIG DEAL.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE AT PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING SPIRIT I GUESS THE ISSUE IS, WE CAN ONLY CHARGE WHAT IT COSTS US TO ISSUE THE LICENSES. IT GIVES US A BIG SOURCE OF DATA THAT WE DON'T HAVE. HOW MANY GAS STATIONS DO WE HAVE IN CLAY COUNTY.

HOW DO WE TRACK TO MAKE SURE THEY GET THEIR TANKS OUT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD DO WITH THIS JUST FROM AN INFORMATIONAL POINT OF VIEW. CHEEKBONE MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ALL GOTTEN THEM. I THINK ORANGE PARK HAS A BUSINESS TAX.

I DON'T KNOW ABOUT GREEN COVE. IT IS JUST FIDO WHO IS IN OUR COUNTY.

I DON'T SEE US DOING A LOT. IF WE WANTED TO DO SOMETHING EXTRA, WE COULD USE THIS MONEY TO HELP THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE TO THEIR INCUBATION STUFF. I SEE IT MORE AS AN

INFORMATIONAL GATHERING THAN ANYTHING. >> I WOULD SUPPORT IT.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON EITHER.? >> YOU ARE SAYING PUSH IT BACK?

>> THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO DO IT NOT FROM THE CURRENT BUDGET AND EVALUATED OVER THE

NEXT FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE OF THE TIMING FOR THIS BUDGET. >> IS THERE ANY REASON WE SHOULD

MOVE FORWARD AT LEAST TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. >> I THINK WE SHOULD STUDY AND

SEE THE BENEFIT OF IMPLEMENTATION. >> I SEE THIS AS BEING SOMETHING

DIFFERENT. >> IT MAY CAUSE JUST AS MUCH TO DO WITH.

>> IT'S NOT GOING TO GENERATE -- >> I DON'T THINK WE WILL GET MUCH PUSHBACK ON IT EITHER.

>> I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON HOW MUCH IT WILL BE. $25.01 TIME.

OR $25 PER YEAR. >> I THINK ORANGE PARK IS $50. >> PER YEAR?

>> YES, EVERY YEAR. >> >> THOSE ARE THINGS WE WOULD

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HAVE TO FIND OUT. >> MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MAY, ON BOTH ITEMS, ONE WOULD BE, CAN WE GET CONSENSUS ON THE UTILITY SERVICE TAX TO PUSH IT. THE BUSINESS TAX, IF YOU CAN

GIVE US A FEW WEEKS, WE CAN COME BACK AND PROVIDE DATA THAT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT

FLUSHED OUT AT SIX WEEKS. >> IF WE COULD SHOOT FOR SOMETIME IN OCTOBER.

AFTER WE GET PAST OCTOBER 1, WE CAN PROVIDE BACK TO THE BOARD. WE CAN ALWAYS ACTIVATE IT

ANYWAY. >> AS LONG AS IT RELATES TO THE UTILITY TAX, I THINK IT WOULD HELP YOUR I WANT TO SEE WHAT OTHER COUNTIES ARE DOING WITH THAT AND AT WHAT LEVEL AND WHAT THE REVENUE WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD GENERATE SO WE WOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF THOUGHT PROCESS,

MORE SO THAN SOMEONE SAYING WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT. >> IN A TPL STUDY THAT LOOKED AT OUR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WAS DONE 5-6 YEARS AGO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THEY MADE THAT WE IMPLEMENT A UTILITY TAX BECAUSE IT TOUCHED EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY.

>> I WOULD SAY WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE INFORMATION TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF IMPLEMENTED.

>> THEY DID THIS STUDY, IF WE NEED TO ASK THEM. FOR THE TPL.

>> IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE. >> IN SEVERAL COPIES ARE FLOATING AROUND.

>> I HAVE NOT SEEN IT. >> THAT HAS BEEN MY BLUEPRINT FOR THE PROJECT SPIRIT.

>> SO YOU HAVE DIRECTION ON THAT? >> THANK YOU.

[13.  State Financial Assistance Recipient Agreement #27937 with the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (K. Smith)]

>> WE WILL MOVED TO NUMBER 13 WHICH IS THE STATE FINANCIAL RECIPIENT AGREEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE ON CONSUMER SERVICES.

MEGHAN WILL YOU HANDLE THAT? >> GOOD EVENING MEGHAN FILLING IN FOR KAREN TONIGHT.

THIS ITEM WAS ON THE LAST FINANCE AND AUDIT AGENDA. KAREN APPLIED FOR THIS IN SEPTEMBER 2019. IT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED AS PART OF THIS YEAR'S STATE BUDGET. IT IS ALSO HIGHLIGHTED IN THE UPDATE THIS EVENING.

AS THE AGREEMENT INDICATES THIS IS $910,000 FOR RENOVATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDING IMPROVING ARENA AREAS, INSTALL REPLACEMENT, BARN AREA AND ADDITIONAL BATHROOM FACILITIES AT THE FAIRGROUND. ALL OF THESE ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE --

>> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS NO LOCAL MATCH? THAT IS VERY UNUSUAL.

>> VERB PREVIOUS GRANTS THAT CAME DID INCLUDE THAT. SO THIS IS INDEED, A GIFT.

SO, WE ARE LOOKING TO APPROVE THE GRANT TO RECEIVE IT, THEN MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE.

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR MAKE AN? >> IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS, ANY

DISCUSSION? I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? COMMISSIONER, WE HAVE A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES 5-0. NUMBER 14 THROUGH 16 ARE ALL SIMILAR, A PRESENTATION A

[14.  Presentation of proposed Annual Assessment Rate Resolution establishing the rate of assessment for graded road maintenance of properties within the Hidden Waters MSBU for FY 2021-22 (C. Grimm/T. Gardner)]

MAINTENANCE. THE FIRST IS FOR PROPERTIES. >> IN CONNECTION WITH THAT, THIS IS WHAT WAS CREATED IN AN EARLIER TIME FOR THE ASSESSMENT ABOUT THIS BID SET AT $140.

WERE JUST ASKING THAT YOU APPROVE CONTINUING THE MS BQ AT THAT RATE OF $140.

THERE IS CURRENTLY 120 ASSESSMENTS AS PART OF IT. >> CAN I GET A MOTION?

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COMMISSIONER BOLLA. >> WE ARE DOING ONE AT A TIME. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS OR QUESTIONS ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE,

[15.  Presentation of proposed Annual Assessment Rate Resolution establishing the rate of assessment for graded road maintenance of properties within the Oak Forest MSBU for FY 2021-22 (C. Grimm/T. Gardner)]

THE SAME THING. THIS IS FOR THE OAK FOREST MSB YOU.

>> THIS HAS BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1994. THERE ARE 195 ASSESSMENT IN THIS MSB YOU THE CURRENT RATE IS $22& AND WE ASK THAT IT BE EXTENDED AT THAT SAME AMOUNT.

>> THE ME ASK A QUESTION. ARE WE UPDATING, HAS ANYONE LOOKED AT IT?

>> I DO NOT KNOW, YOU ARE PROBABLY ON THE COMMISSION WAS A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN THE COMMUNITY WANTED MORE SERVICES PROVIDED, AND REACHED OUT TO GET A NUMBER TO INCREASE IT IN THE COMMUNITY DECIDED NO. IN CONNECTION WITH THESE MSB USE THEY ARE AT THE MAX RATE UNLESS ALL THE HOMEOWNERS WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE IT AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL.

>> SO WE CANNOT MESS WITH THE NUMBER AT ALL EVEN IF WE ARE LOSING MONEY?

>> WE ARE NOT LOSING MONEY. WE ONLY SPEND WHAT IS BEING COLLECTED.

IF THEY WANT TO BE GRADED MORE OFTEN -- >> THESE ARE ONLY FOR IF THEY

WANT TO BE CORRECTED. >> I WILL MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION? I HEAR NINE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE, ANY OPPOSED, IT CARRIES

[16.  Presentation of proposed Annual Assessment Rate Resolution establishing the rate of assessment for graded road maintenance of properties within the Blue Jay Drive Roads MSBU for FY 2021-22 (C. Grimm/T. Gardner)]

5-0. THE SAME FOR BLUE JAY DRIVE. >> THIS MSB YOU HAS BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 2,003. IT HAS BEEN AMENDED AND RAISED A COUPLE OF TIMES BUT THE CURRENT RATE IS $125 WHICH IS THE MAX THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE AT. THERE ARE 450 ASSESSMENTS IN THE

ASSESSMENT GROUP. >> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BOLLA. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? IT CARRIES 5-0. >> REMOVED TO TO THE

[17.  Presentation of proposed Annual Assessment Rate Resolution establishing rates of assessments for subdivision properties previously included within the Subdivision Roads Maintenance MSBU for FY 2021-22 (C. Grimm/T. Gardner/R. Smith)]

LAST YEAR WE HAD ONE 100% COLLECTION IN CONNECTION WITH THOSE SEVEN.

>> MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPALS, IT CARRIES 5-0. MOVING TO NUMBER 18 THE

[18.  Presentation of proposed Certificate to 2021 Non-Ad Valorem Assessment Roll for Black Creek Hills Water System MSBU]

CREEK HILLS WATER SYSTEM. >> THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT BUT IT DOES REQUIRE CERTIFICATE BY THE CHAIR IT IS IN CONNECTION WITH A WATER TREATMENT FACILITY THAT CC YOU A TOOK OVER FOR A PROPERTY OWNER OR A DEVELOPER WHO PASSED AWAY AND PROVIDED WATER THROUGH THE BLACK CREEK HILLS SUBDIVISION. IT WAS STARTED IN 2011 AND IT MOVED ALONG FOR 30 OR SO WON'T END UNTIL 2041. THERE IS A SET AMOUNT THAT WON'T CHANGE AND IT IS AT $210.44.

THERE ARE CERTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE YOU CAN PAY OFF YOUR PORTION, SO WHEN PROPERTIES

CHANGE HANDS, SOME PEOPLE TO PAY AN OFFER EARLY. >> THE DEVELOPER PASSED AWAY SO

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THIS IS A WAY TO FINANCE IT. >> BACK IN 2011 EVERYTHING WAS DONE TO COVER THEIR COSTS.

>> I MOVE FOR APPROVAL. >> A MOTION FROM COMMISSIONER BOLLA.

>> COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. ANY OPALS, IT CARRIES 5-0. LET'S MOVE TO NUMBER 19,

[19.  Mobility Fee Credit Agreement for Stormwater Management Facility Construction Re: Granary Park (C. Grimm)]

FACILITY CONSTRUCTION. GRANARY PARK. >> THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR A STORMWATER POND IN CONNECTION WITH THE BOND AND TRANSPORTATION PROJECT.

ALONG WITH THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE ROAD WE NEED TO REQUIRED DIFFERENT RETENTION PONDS.

THIS IS A NEW SUBDIVISION GOING IN ALONG THE AREA. BEAR FUNDS LONG ICE FACILITY.

>>> GOOD EVENING BOARD. AS FAR AS, INSTEAD OF PURCHASING THE PROPERTY AND DOING THE WORK OURSELVES, IT'S BETTER TO MAINTAIN THE POND. WE HAVE THE OWNER THAT WOULD

PREFER TO MAINTAIN THE POND. >> ACTUALLY IT IS ALMOST READY. IT'S PART OF THEIR IMPROVEMENTS.

WE ARE AHEAD OF THE GAME. >> GUESS THIS PUTS US AHEAD OF THE GAME.

>> WHAT ASSURANCE DO WE HAVE THEY WILL BE THERE. >> SHOULD WE ALREADY GIVE THEM

MOBILITY FEE CREDITS FOR SOMETHING ELSE? >> GIVE US AN IDEA, IN TERMS OF, THE RIGHT OF WAYS AND STUFF WE ARE DEALING WITH AND THOSE THINGS.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A POSITIVE. >> YOU HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER WILLING TO WORK WITH US ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ED? CARLOS WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING US NEGOTIATE THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THROUGH THAT, WE WERE ABLE TO GET A CREDIT.

LOOKED AT THE STORMWATER. >> WE HAD TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE POND BY 3.4 ACRES AND

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ASKED THEM TO DO ADDITIONAL ORDERS. >> IT COST MORE THAN $300,000.

[20.  Request by Clay County Tax Collector for extension of 2021 Tax Roll prior to completion of Value Adjustment Board hearings (C. Grimm/J. Horan)]

THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE TAX COLLECTOR'S OFFICE. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PRIOD ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED IT CARRIES 5-0.

[21.  Request by Code Enforcement for approval to proceed with foreclosure actions authorized by Special Magistrate]

AUTHORIZED BY SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. >> YOU HAVE A MEMO IN YOUR PACKETS. : ENFORCEMENT HAVE IDENTIFIED THREE EXISTING PROPERTIES IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FORECLOSURE PROCESS. AS REQUIRED BY OUR PROCEDURES WE HAVE UPDATE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE MAGISTRATE AND NOW IT COMES TO YOU GUYS FOR AUTHORIZATION.

THERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES THAT ARE LISTED IN YOUR MEMO.

WILL GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE DOWN THE ROAD. YOU HAVE DONE SOME HOMEWORK WITH STAFF INCLUDING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THIS WILL REQUIRE A TITLE SEARCH RICK WE

THINK THESE ARE THREE THAT WE CAN GO AFTER. >> MR. OTTO WE ARE CONDUCTING A

BUSINESS MEETING. BODY. >> THEY ARE LISTED AS PARCEL

NUMBERS. GOING. >> I AM FAMILIAR WITH ALL THREE

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WE COULD CLEAN THEM UP AND SELECT THE -- AS IS. >> ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT?

>> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT. >> I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LET ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT WE TAKE CODE ENFORCEMENT SERIOUSLY. BY MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS, WE WILL PUT SOME TEETH THEN BUT PEOPLE NEED TO CLEAN UP THEIR PROPERTY, IT MATTERS TO THE

NEIGHBORS. >> WE GET PULL SOME SLEEP JOCKSTRAP WE GET PUBLICITY ON NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR AT. IT DOESN'T HELP THE COMMUNITY TO SEE THIS STUFF.

WELCOME TO CLAY COUNTY. THE FIRST THING YOU READ IS ON THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR APP IS THE PROPERTIES ARE IN TROUBLE. WE NEED TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS.

DANCE I WOULD ALSO ADD, WE HAVE YOUR DISTRICT LIST ON THE WHEN WE PROVIDES TO YOU THE PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE A HOME SAID AND THOSE MOST DESIRABLE TO GO AFTER FOR FORECLOSURE. WE WOULD DO UP TO SIX AND YEAR. I HAVE BACK TO SHARE WITH YOU AND I CAN SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND SHOW YOU THAT. YOU ALSO GET IN YOUR BOXES, OUR SEMI ANNUAL UPDATE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT WHICH IS GENERAL INFORMATION THAT WILL BE USEFUL

TO YOU. >> WE HAVE WORKED ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME.

WE HAVE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES TO SETTLE SOME OF THESE CASES, I KNOW I BROUGHT SOME THINGS BACK, SOME THINGS THAT WE LOOKED IN TO AVOID THIS PARTICULAR STEP. FOR UNDERSTAND, IN SOME CASES IT WILL RECTIFY THE SITUATION. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN IT CREATES JUST AS MANY CHALLENGES BECAUSE NOW WE WILL BECOME REALTORS AND LANDLORDS. WE WILL CLEAN UP PROPERTIES AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. THEN WE WILL TRY TO TURN AROUND AND SELL THE PROPERTIES THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THIS IS THE GOVERNMENT TAKING THE PEOPLE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I CANNOT VOTE FOR THIS. I KNOW WE HAVE WORKED HARD ON A. WE HAVE TRIED SOME OTHER THINGS THINGS THAT DID NOT WORK, TO ME, I JUST CANNOT GO ALONG WITH THE GOVERNMENT TAKING PRIVATE PROPERTY NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. I APPLAUD YOU GUYS MOVING FORWARD AND DOING WHAT YOU HAVE ON IT BUT I WILL NOT BE VOTING IN THE POSITIVE FOR THIS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE REASON WHY.

>> WEIGHT UNTIL IT IS YOUR TURN TO HAVE ONE OF THESE ACROSS THE STREET FROM YOU.

>> I HAVE A BURNED OUT MOBILE HOME ON THE CORNER OF A RESIDENTIAL STREET IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. IT HAD A FIRE TO IVORY THREE YEARS AGO.

IT IS ON THE CORNER OF LAKE GENEVA ROAD AND GASLIGHT ROAD. IT STILL BEAR.

IT IS JUST FIRED AND THEY HAVE HAD KIDS CAN ENTER THEIR. I KNOW THAT SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS HAD TO RESPOND ON NEW YEAR'S. KDS GOT INTO THEIR SHOOTING OFF

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THESE PROPERTY OWNERS, A LOT OF THEM DO NOT LIVE IN THE STATE THAT ARE IN THIS SITUATION.

I AGREE IF THEY ARE ELDERLY OR SOMETHING BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE THESE PEOPLE ARE.

THEY JUST DO NOT WANT TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE WHATEVER. WE CAN PUT A LIEN ON THEIR PROPERTY BUT WHEN IT IS $100,000, THEY WILL NEVER PAY THAT.

BUT I UNDERSTAND. I APPRECIATE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION.

>> THANK YOU. >> I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU APPRECIATE I HAVE AN OPINION. IT'S NICE TO KNOW I HAVE THAT KIND OF RESPECT ON THE

COMMITTEE. >> I GO BACK TO MY FAVORITE STORY.

I WAS GOING DOOR TO DOOR AND I HAD A COUPLE INVITE ME INTO THEIR HOUSE.

THEY OFFERED ME A CUP OF COFFEE OR A DRINK AND SAT ME DOWN IN THEIR LIVING ROOM THEN THEY OPENED THE BLINDS THAT THERE WAS THIS DERELICT HOUSE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

THE WOMAN SAYS TO ME, WE ARE ARE TWO YEARS FROM RETIREMENT. THIS HOUSES EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE AS A NEST EGG. HOW CAN WE SELL IT WITH THAT ACROSS THE STREET.

THAT REALLY BROUGHT IT HOME TO ME. >> I HAVE A LAWN BOARD JUNKYARD.

IT IS PHENOMENAL WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO TO THEIR PROPERTY. >> THERE MAY BE SOME PART IN

THEIR. >> IT MAY BE A WORKABLE LAWNMOWER.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE HAVE A MOTION NANOSECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? IT PASSES 4-1. WE WILL GO TO 22 RESILIENT

[22.  Resilient Florida Grant Application (C. Latham/M. Mosley)]

FLORIDA GRANT APPLICATION. >> MEGHAN MOSLEY TONIGHT I WANTED TO BRIEF THE BOARD ON THE GRANT THROUGH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.

RIGHT NOW THERE IS AN OPEN CALL FOR PROJECT PROPOSALS WHICH THEY ARE ACCEPTING.

AFTER THE INITIAL REVIEW APPLICANTS WILL BE INVITED TO SUBMIT A FULL APPLICATION.

TONIGHT WE WANT APPROVAL TO DO BOTH STEPS. UNDER THIS GRANT PROGRAM THE COUNTY IS ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR A PLANNING GRANT FOR FLOODING. SO IN ADDITION TO THIS BEING A PLANNING TOOL FOR THE COUNTY, WE CAN'T BE INCORPORATED INTO THE STATE RESILIENCY PLAN WHICH CAN OPEN UP FOR MORE PROJECTS DOWN THE ROAD. WE ARE LOOKING AT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES STUDIES WITH MORE INFORMATION AND RESEARCH TO DO A COUNTYWIDE SEARCH.

THERE IS NO MATCH FOR THIS PROJECT. IT WOULD BE, FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR THIS INTENT. I BELIEVE CHARLIE IS ALSO HERE. HE HAS PARTICIPATED IN ASSESSMENT PROJECTS LIKE THIS IN THE PAST. IF THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, HE IS HERE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GRANT APPLICATION ITSELF,

I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. >> DOES THIS COVERED THE SURVEY? >> LOTS OF DATA WILL GO INTO

THIS ASSESSMENT. >> YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY?

>> GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE. THIS IS A RESILIENT GRANT THAT HAS BEEN IN EXISTENT FOR TWO NERVE YEARS. WAS ORIGINALLY AVAILABLE ONLY TO COASTAL COUNTIES ON THE MUNICIPALITIES. IN 2019 I APPLIED FOR THIS WITH THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE BEACH FOR $48,000 AND WE DID OUR INITIAL ASSESSMENT. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE, JOINING THE STATES AMBITION TO GET A LONGER TERM ANALYSIS OF RESILIENCY.

THE ABILITY TO REBOUND FROM TROUBLE. THIS IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF HEAVY FLOODING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. HOW THAT PERTAINS TO THE OTHER

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GRANT I'M NOT FAMILIAR BUT THAT IS WHAT THIS ONE IS. >> THE STUDY WAS FOR MILLION

3,300,000. >> THAT WAS NOT OF STUDY THAT WAS AN ACTUAL SURVEY.

I AM TRYING TO FIGURE OUT OF THESE TO COMPLEMENT OR OVERLAP OR WHAT IS THE DEAL.

JUST BECAUSE IT IS LOWERED, IT MAY BE TRAPPED IN A LOWER LINE AREA BUT YOU HAVE TO MOVE IT ANYWAY. I THINK, WE WILL GIVE DATA TO DEVELOP AN ASSESSMENT OF STORMWATER FLOWS, AND ENGINEERED SOLUTIONS TO GET THEM WHERE YOU WANT BUFFALOES TOO.

WITH AN ASSESSMENT OF COSTS. WHAT WILL IT COST FOR ME TOO GET THE WATER FROM THE RIVER TO THE LAKE. IF WE DO THREE, IF WE DO THREE DIFFERENT STUDIES WE WILL DO THIS. BUT WE DO NEED SOME COORDINATION.

>> I THINK THAT WILL BE BETWEEN THE COUNTY MANAGERS. THEY WOULD ALL WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE IT AFFECTS ALL OF THE SHOPS BUT TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T WANT ON THE GROUND, HOW DOES IT GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B. BUT NOW THE WATER MOVES FURTHER DOWN, WHAT IS MY NEXT THING. WHAT CHARLIE AND MEGHAN ARE PRESENTING HIS RESILIENCY.

WE HAVE A FLOODING PROBLEM. WE HAVE OTHER ISSUES IN THE COUNTY, HOW DO WE MITIGATE,

RECOVER AND RESPOND? >> HOW DO WE IDENTIFY THE MOST VULNERABLE AREAS?

>> THEY WORK TOGETHER BUT THEY ARE NOT THE SAME IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> WILL COORDINATE THIS? >> ICA DISASTER IF WE DO NOT GET SOMEONE IN CHARGE OF IT.

COUNTY MANAGER? HOW WILL YOU MANAGE THIS? >> FIRST OF ALL THE COUNTY HAS NEVER HAD A STUDY, LET'S RESTUDY ON BOTH FRONTS ON THE FLOODING SIDE AND THE RESILIENCY SIDE.

THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT AREAS WE ARE LOOKING AT HERE. PUBLIC WORKS, AND CHARISSE IS SHOP WITHIN THAT. I CAN ALSO LOOK AT OTHER AREAS, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, COOPERATING WITH MUNICIPALITIES LIKE THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK AND THEIR STUDIES, IT DOESN'T STOP AT THE BORDER. WILL BE ASSIGNED, I WILL HAVE A 50-POUND HEAD PERSON FROM ENGINEERING ENERGY. AND WE WILL GET IT PROPERLY MANAGED.

AGAIN, AND I SHARED THE CONCERN OF THE BOARD. IF THERE ARE TWO AREAS, A GOOD EXAMPLE OF RESILIENCY AT ST. JOHNS RIVER. WHEN YOU GET A FLOOD, HOW DO YOU MITIGATE. THERE ARE SIGNS OUT THERE THAT SOME BIRDS ARE BETTER THAN

OTHERS BACK. >> ALI STOP THE ATLANTIC OCEAN. WHILE YOU BETTER.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS MANAGEMENT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE UP TO $3 MILLION.

I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO IS IN CHARGE AND MAKE SURE IT COORDINATES.

I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU STEP UP TO THE PLATE.

>> THIS IS A NONMATCHING REQUIREMENT. WHAT IS THE DEADLINE, COMING UP SEPTEMBER 1. YOU HAVE TIME TO GET YOURSELF READY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO GET THIS TOGETHER.

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>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION. >> I MOVE WE APPLY FOR THE GRANT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND PERIOD ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS COLLECT ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED, IT CARRIES 5-0. ALT NUMBER 23 NOTICE OF INTENT

[23.  Notice of Intent and Award of Bid No.20/21-53, Construction of Clay County Gun Range (K. Smith/G. Price)]

GENE PRICE. >> HELLO I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE GUN RANGE.

THE LAST ITEM. I DO WANT TO REMIND THE BOARD FROM THE LAST DECISION WAS TO BUILD A RANGE THAT WAS DUAL USE AND 200 YARDS LONG. GOVERNMENTS DIRECTION I TOOK WORKED WITH ENGINEERS PARAGRAPH SOME NOTES ON WE GO THROUGH AND WE WILL GO FROM THERE.

THE GUN RANGE PROPOSALS CAME IN UNDER BUDGET FROM THE ZIP. THEY WERE UNDER THE ESTIMATE THE ENGINEERS PROVIDED. THE LOWEST BIDDER WAS JUST UNDER $3.5 MILLION.

IT WAS SENT TO 42 CONTRACTORS AND WE RECEIVED CONFERENCE -- PURCHASING POLICY IN A TIMING MANNER. ALL WERE SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSE WHICH DEMONSTRATES A GOOD SET OF PLANTS IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS THAT WERE EXECUTED. THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT PURCHASING LEGAL, NUMBER ZONING AND ENGINEERING, THE TEAM FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND WDI WHO ASSISTED WITH THE PACKAGE, WJR WAS INVOLVED IN BOTH SPORTS SHOOTING COMPLEX AND THE PUBLIC SHOOTING RANGE RECTUM G.I. IS A CONTINUING SERVICE CONTRACT WITH CLAY COUNTY WORKING ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS FOR THE COUNTY. I CONDUCTED MULTIPLE SITE VISITS TO INQUIRE ABOUT METHODS TO ASSIST WITH THE GUN RANGE AND WORK WITH THE DESIGN TEAM WITH AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO QUALIFY IT BECAUSE WE WERE GIVEN DIRECTION FOR DUAL-PURPOSE RANGE.

>> WHAT WAS BID ON WAS A RANGE FOR CITIZENS, AND A PART OF CLAY COUNTY PROPERTIES THAT HAVE OPPORTUNITIES ENGINEERED INTO THE DESIGN. IT DOES NOT HAVE MOVING TARGETS OR PITCHES FOR STAFF TO WORK OUT OF. THE RANCH WAS BUILT TO MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY OF THE PROPERTY OF THEIR. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS TIME AWARDING A BID PACKAGE TO FORESIGHT CONSTRUCTION GROUP IN THE AMOUNT OF $3 MILLION.

FOR THE BASE AND ALL BID ULTIMATES. IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT IF THIS IS A PUBLIC RANGE ALL ITEMS MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE. IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE I COULD TURN IT OVER TO WDI WHO IS HERE TO ANSWER SOME OF THE DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ARRANGEMENT

WE ALSO HAVE THE COUNTY ENGINEER IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL. >> THANK YOU.

DOES ANYONE WANT TO HEAR FROM WDI? >> GOOD EVENING I WILL STORED

WITH WDI. ANY QUESTIONS? >> TELL US ABOUT YOUR PHILOSOPHY IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN AND WHY YOU WOULD HAVE THE BACKDROP AND THE SIDES.

GIVE US PHILOSOPHY AS TO HOW YOU ENGINEERED THIS. >> GOOD QUESTION.

WE HAVE A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT ON ARBOR TEAM NAME CLARK. HE HAS DESIGNED GOAL THAT'S RIGHT RANGES ALL OVER FLORIDA FOR SAY, LOCAL AND FEDERAL AND THE MILITARY.

HE IS A SAFETY EXPERT. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A COMPLETELY SAFE GUN RANGE.

THERE IS OVERSHOT. THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR DEVELOPMENT ON THE SIDE.

THAT IS WHY WE PUT IN THE SIDES. THERE IS PUBLIC LAND BY THE RANGE WHICH IS OWNED BY THE RIVER WATER DISTRICT. THERE IS NO SET RULE THAT SAYS A 200-YARD RANGE HAS TO ELEVATE 3.

THERE ARE GUIDELINES IN GENERAL THAT INCLUDE BURNS, LIGHTING, RESTROOMS, COVERT FIRING LINE

WHICH WE FOLLOWED. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> IMPACT TO THE AREA, I THINK THERE IS A CHURCH NEARBY. >> THERE IS A CHURCH THAT IS

PROBABLY 1,000 FEET AWAY. >> DO YOU IMPACT -- TRYING TO ANTICIPATE IMPACT TO THEIR

SERVICE OPERATION? >> WE TALKED TO COUNTY STAFF AND WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK OUT AN

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>> OF THE OPERATION OF THE RANGE WOULD NEED TO BE COORDINATED. CAMP LANDING IS ACROSS THE STREET AND THEY SHOOT MUCH LARGER ORDINANCES WHICH YOU CAN HEAR MILES AWAY.

>> YES, WHEN WE DEVELOP THE TIMELINE IT WOULD BE WITH THE CHURCH OPERATION WITH THEY HAVE

GOING ON. >> ENVIRONMENTAL. GOPHER TURTLES.

TRASH. I DON'T KNOW, WHAT PRECAUTIONS, DID WGI TO PRECLUDE ANY PROBLEMS

IN REGARDS TO THEIR. >> WE DID A PRELIMINARY SURVEY AND WE FOUND 4-5 BOROUGHS ON THE SITE. THE ONES WE FOUND AT THE TIME WERE NOT IN THE AREA CONSTRUCTION. GOPHER TURTLES ARE PROTECTED. YOU CANNOT CONSTRUCT ANYTHING WITHIN 25 FEET. THE LAW REQUIRES THE SURVEY BE DONE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF CONSTRUCTION. IT WILL HAVE TO BE UPDATED BECOME GOPHER -- TURTLES MOVE

WHEN THEY ARE PROTECTED. >> WE DID NOT FIND ANY OTHER WILDLIFE ISSUES.

>> THERE IS DEBATE ABOUT THE ROADS AND WHETHER WE NEED AN ASPHALT ROAD, AND THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD. TERM -- TELL ME YOUR LOGIC WORKS.

>> MY UNDERSTANDING, THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES A PAVED ROAD AND PAVED PARKING LOT.

WE HIRED A FIRM TO DO SITE CERTIFICATE -- SPECIFIC LOOKING AND THE FIRM DID A PAYMENT --

PAVEMENT DESIGN FOR US. >> THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN CAN HANDLE TRAFFIC AS WELL AS DRUG SPIRIT THE REASON WE CONSIDER TRUCK SINCE WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE FUTURE USE MAY BE WAREHOUSES ON THIS SITE. THERE WILL BE CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT RUNNING ON IT IN THE

FUTURE. >> WE HAVE LOOKED AT WATER AND SEPTIC.

>> WE LOOKED AT IT ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM. WE DON'T KNOW THE DEPTH OF THE WELL. THEY WILL HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT.

IT IS BASED ON A PERFORMANCE SPECK. THE SEPTIC SYSTEM IS ALREADY

PERMITTED AND THAT DESIGN IS FOR THIS FACILITY. >> IS THE WELL LOCATED SOMEPLACE

WHERE WE CAN USE IT? >> THERE IS AN EXISTING WELL BY THE HOUSE WHICH IS PROBABLY 1,000 FEET AWAY. WE DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION OR ANYTHING.

THERE IS A PROPOSED NEW WELL NEXT TO THE RESTROOM FACILITY BUT FAR AWAY FROM THE SEPTIC

SYSTEM TO BEAT COLD. >> WE ARE ALMOST DEFINITELY GOING TO DRILL A NEW WELL, THE

ONE THAT EXISTS IS TOO FAR AWAY. >> WE DON'T KNOW THE CONDITION OR FOR CAN SUPPLY THE WATER THAT

WE NEED. >> HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU THINK YOU WILL USE?

>> RIGHT NOW WE ARE PROPOSING FOR RESTROOMS FOR MALE AND FEMALE, WHATEVER THE CODE REQUIRES FOR THAT. I CANNOT QUOTE YOU THE GALLONS PER MINUTE OFF OF THE TOP OF MY

HEAD. >> IT'S PRETTY BIG, THAT IS WHY I'M ASKING.

IT IS A BIG WELL. >> I AM DONE. >> THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PAVED PARKING LOT, THAT SEEMS LIKE THE BIGGEST CHUNK OF MONEY. WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?

IS THAT OUR CODE? >> IT IS FROM THE COUNTY BUILDING CODE.

>> WHAT DOES THE CODE SAY, WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON BACK? >> IT SEEMS LIKE IF WE COULD PUT

IN A GRAVEL PARKING LOT AND COME BACK AND REDO IT,. >> IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING IF IT

IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IT REQUIRES A PAVED PARKING LOT. >> THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES HERE,

WHAT IS THE LAW? >> FOR THAT USE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PAVED PARKING LOT.

IF THE PUBLIC IS USING IT. >> WHY? >> THAT IS PART OF THE CODE.

I DON'T KNOW THE REASON WHY, BUT A LOT OF IT HAS TO GO BACK TO ADA PARKING WHICH MAKES IT MORE

ASSESSABLE IF IT IS PAVED. >> HOW ABOUT IF PEOPLE CANNOT GET TO THEIR HOUSES BECAUSE THEY

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>> I THINK THEY TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE THICKNESS. >> WHERE'S THE UPDATE?

>> THAT WAS PART OF THE COST SAVINGS THAT I THOUGHT I SAW THE DOCUMENT.

>> WE HAVE GONE OVER ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ZONING. AFTER OF THE ADA, BATHROOMS,

PUBLIC OR PRIVATE. >> TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE BID PACKAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED IS WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING FOR PROPOSAL. FOR ANY PROJECT THAT THE BOARD APPROVES WE LOOK OUT FOR COSTS SAVINGS HERE IT HAS TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH SUBCONTRACTOR AND ENGINEERS WHO SIGNED OFF ON THE PLANS. I JUST CAN'T GO IN ON MY OWN AND CHANGE THINGS. WE DO HAVE COMMENTS PRODUCT FROM LAST FRIDAY, IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED BECAUSE IT COMES FROM THE COUNTY. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE

AWARDED TO HAVE THEM LOOK AT IT AGAIN. >> ARE WE DECREASING THICKNESS?

LOSS THAT. >> THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION THAT WOULD BE BROUGHT UP WITH THE VENDOR. WE CANNOT DO ANY NEGOTIATIONS. WHAT EVERYONE'S BEEN ON WAS THE

CURRENT ASPHALT THAT ARE INSIDE OF THE PLANS RIGHT NOW. >> FIGURE THAN TO 18.

>> I THINK THE CURRENT DESIGN IS 12 INCHES OF STABILIZATION SPIRIT 8 INCHES OF (

INDISCERNIBLE ). AND ASPHALT. >> IS THAT WHAT YOU WOULD PUT ON

A ROAD LIKE TO 18. >> 218 WAS DONE MANY YEARS AGO. I WILL SPEAK, THE COUNTY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CURRENTLY, IT WOULD 12 INCHES OF STABILIZATION.

6 INCHES OF LAND ROCK BASE PERIOD. >> WHAT WOULD THE THICKNESS BE IF WE DID NOT REQUIRE TRUCKS TO GO ON A PARADIGM HEARING THERE ARE PLANS FOR THIS PROPERTY, OF WAREHOUSES, AND I ASKED MONTHS AGO ABOUT CAN WE, THE COMMISSIONERS TALK ABOUT OVERALL USE FOR THE PROPERTY. WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT IT. LAST WEEK WHEN I MET WITH STAFF, I WAS TOLD THERE IS A PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY BUT WE HAVE NOT TOLD YOU ABOUT IT YET.

I JUST FEEL LIKE, WHY DID THE CITIZENS ELECT THAT SPIRIT WHAT WITH THE THICKNESS BE IF WE DID NOT HAVE WAREHOUSES ON THE PROPERTY. WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO BUILD A

WAREHOUSE. >> YOU WERE TO ELIMINATE THE POTENTIAL OF TRUCK TRAFFIC YOU COULD GO DOWN TO YOUR STANDARD CODE WHICH IS 12 INCHES OF STABILIZATION 6 INCHES OF LAND

ROCK AND ONE HALF INCHES OF ASPHALT. >> IF WE PUT A WAREHOUSE AND

LATER, WE CAN COME BACK AND UPDATE THE PARKING LOT. >> THE PROPOSAL AS $1 MILLION IN

DIRT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DALE? >> I WANT TO SEE THIS GO IN AS A PUBLIC FACILITY. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, -- I JUST WANTED THEM TO SIT DOWN.

>> AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT TO OVERBUILD THIS SO THAT LATER ON FOR THE SHERIFFS

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I LIKE TO SHOOT. MY HUSBAND AND I SHOOT AT A RANGE ON THE WEEKENDS.

IT IS MADE FOR THE PUBLIC. THEY RUN SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK, BASICALLY LIKED TO LIGHT IN ORDER TO STAY OPEN. THE PUBLIC IS NOT GOING TO PAY A HUGE PRICE TO SHOOT AT THIS RANGE. WHERE WILL WE GET TWO HALF-MILLION DOLLARS WORTH OF REVENUE COMING IN TO MAKE THIS RANGE WHAT IT IS. THE SHERIFF TOLD US, SHE NEEDS A BASIC RANGE TO MEET BASIC REQUIREMENTS. I WANT TO SEE THEM HAVE THAT.

THIS IS MORE THAN THAT. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, THINGS CHANGE LAST WEEK OR THE WEEK BEFORE WHEN WE HAD OUR WORKSHOP THE SHERIFF SAID, WE NEED AN EXPANSION OF OUR JAIL, AND IT IS COMING FASTER THAN ANTICIPATED. IT HAS MOVED UP TO THEIR IN A DESPERATE SITUATION.

WE WILL DO $4.8 MILLION WORTH OF IMPROVEMENT THAT WILL BUY THEM TIME BUT THEY RECOGNIZE THE JAIL EXPANSION IS A TWO-YEAR PROJECT. I SAY, YOURS NO MONEY TREE. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEST UTILIZE THE MONEY WE HAVE A MEET THE NEEDS OF OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT, THAT THEY NEED TO TRAIN SO THEY ARE BEST SERVED SO IF THEY GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE THEY HAVE TO SHOOT, THEY HAVE THE MOST TRAINING THEY CAN HAVE SO THEY ARE PROTECTED. I WANT THEM TO HIM THAT.

WE CAN DO THAT FOR $1 MILLION. WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE THEY FILTERED AND THE PLANS ARE PUBLIC. YOU CAN GO ON THE BORDER GATEWAY WEBSITE AND DOWNLOAD THE PLANS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO BUILD THIS AT THIS LEVEL, IT MAY CAUSE MORE WE HAVE TO PUT THE ROAD AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY UNPAID ROADS IN OUR AREA WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO GET TO THEIR HOMES AND THEY HAVE TO GET TRASH SERVICE AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE BASIC NEEDS.

I JUST THINK, I UNDERSTAND THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION, I GUESS VOTED TO HAVE A PUBLIC ENTITY BUT I HAVE TO SAY THE WHOLE THING HAS BEEN A FIASCO FROM WHEN WE GOT SWORN IN.

ALMOST OUR FIRST MEETING, THE THREE OF US WERE LOOKING AT THESE PLANS LOVE, WE PUT IT OUT FOR BID AND THIS IS WHAT WE GOT BACK AND IT DID NOT MEET THIS. EVERYONE YOU SPOKE TO HAD A DIFFERENT STORY AND I'LL THINGS HAVE CHANGED. WE NEED CAPITAL MONEY.

WE NEED A GUN RANGE FOR OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE NEED TO ALSO BE ABLE TO PUT MONEY, THE LIST WAS LONG FOR CAPITAL NEEDS. THEY NEEDED OFFICE SPACE SO THEY

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I AM REALLY FRUSTRATED THAT, I FEEL LIKE WE AS COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD THE WHOLE STORY. I HAVE TRIED TO EXPRESS IT AND I GET SHUT DOWN.

IT IS WHAT IT IS BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE I HAVE HAVE THE WHOLE STORY FROM DAY ONE.

IT CHANGES DAILY AND I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT ME AND SMILING AND NODDING BUT THEY WON'T AGREE THAT'S FINE BECAUSE I GET A VOTE. I MOVE WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING A

LOT CHEAPER TO PROVIDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHAT THEY NEED. >> I WOULD LIKE THE SHERIFF TO

SPEAK ON THAT. >> THE ASPHALT THICKNESS, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE PLANNED FOR UP THERE. WGI WAS NOT NEGLIGENT, THEY SAID WE ARE JUST DOING THE ROAD THAT WILL EASIER. THIS WAS A UNIQUE PROJECT. AGAIN IT WAS THE PUBLIC PEACE AND THAT WAS TAXPAYERS DOLLARS PER IT IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE ON THIS.

IT IS REALLY GREAT. SOME PEOPLE SAID, WHY WAS THIS NOT INCORPORATED.

IT IS TOUGH BEING UP THERE FOR THIS DECISION AT THIS TIME. I THINK THE STAFF DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE ABOUT THEY COULD TRYING TO GET THIS AT CALL SPIRIT DID WE MISS A FEW THINGS, POSSIBLE. WITHIN A PROPERTY IF ANYTHING COMES UP, THINGS ARE REDUCED, WE ARE GETTING A CHANGE ORDER TO REDUCE THE SPIRIT THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN.

THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN THE COST AND WE NOTICED THE CONTRACTOR AN ENGINEER AND IT WORKED OUT GOOD. I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER.

>> IS VERY THING YOU CAN DO TO SAVE MONEY ON A. WHAT ELSE IS THERE?

>> WHAT CAN WE DO, WE CAN BUILD IT SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SHARE. IF WE BUILT IT FOR THE SHERIFF'S RANGE IT WOULD BE SMALLER. THEY WERE TRYING TO BUILD SOMETHING TO BRING IN PRIVATE ENTITIES. THERE ARE DIFFERENT CONNIE'S -- COMPANIES ARE CONTRACTS THAT WANT TO RENT THE RANGE FOR A WEEK, OR OR $15,000. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO GENERATE REVENUE. THEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT COMPETITIONS.

IT WAS ENOUGH WORK DONE ON A. THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT OR REVENUE WE CAN GENERATE.

THAT WAS NOT DONE. WE ARE AIMING AT THIS. >> WE HAVE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GUN PERMITS. WHEN YOU GO GET A GUN PERMIT, THE TRAINING IS AIMED AT THE LEGAL PARTS OF THIS. WE HAVE A LOT OF GUN HUNTERS IN PROFICIENT WITH THEIR GUNS IF THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A QUALITY RANGE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THE PUBLIC NEEDS AND WANTS. IF WE RUN IT AS A COST CENTER, I THINK WE WILL MAKE MONEY ON THIS EVENTUALLY. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING AT ONCE.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PRICE COME DOWN. I HAVE PUBLICLY SAID THIS BEFORE. I CANNOT SUPPORT THE WHOLE PROJECT IF IT IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. WE WILL SPEND MONEY ON THE GUN RANGE AND I THINK THE SHERIFF SHOULD GIVE PRIORITY. I ALSO THINK WHEN THE RANGE IS NOT BEING USED BY THE SHERIFF LIKE ON THE WEEKENDS, LET'S LET THE PUBLIC INTO USING. IF THAT REQUIRES US TO PUT IN ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS AND I DON'T FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT, BUT IF THAT IS WHAT IT HAS TO HAVE,

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IF THAT IS ALL WE CAN DO, I AM STILL IN THAT MODE. I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL PAY FOR THIS AND THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO USE IT. I LOOK AT THIS AS A SHOOTING PARK THE SHERIFF GETS TO USE ON A PRIORITY BASIS. THAT IS WHERE I AM COMING FROM.

>> COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> ONE OF MY MAJOR HESITATIONS IS, WHAT KIND OF RESEARCH DID WE DO FOR COLLABORATION AT THIS FACILITY? THE LAST TIME I UNDERSTOOD THE FBI WOULD COLLABORATE WITH US ON THE GUN RANGE.

FOR SOME REASON, WE LET THAT OUR FINGERS. WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE COSTS AND HAVE A PARTNER AND IT FELL THROUGH. THAT IS WATER UNDER THE BRIDGE.

WHO DO WE REACH OUT, WHAT GRANTS DID WE LOOK AT. THERE ARE GRANTS FOR THINGS LIKE THIS. WHAT GRANTS DID WE RESEARCH AS POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES FOR A

PROJECT AS SUCH. >> ONE THING YOU CAN EXPAND ON, WE DID SEND IT OUT FOR A PUBLIC, PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND THAT FELL THROUGH AS WELL. WE TRIED THAT WITHIN THE LAST

YEAR. >> THAT WAS BREWING AS WE GOT HERE.

OR BOILING OVER IS MORE APPROPRIATE BUT ANYWAY, THE SHERIFF DOES NOT NEED IT FOR WEEKS OUT OF THE MONTH, SO I WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEONE ELSE TO BEGAN.

THEY ASKED WAS THERE A GRANT OR FUNDING STREAM MISSING. IS THERE POSSIBILITY FOR GRANTS OUT THERE, I THINK TROY WITH THIS TEAM COULD MAYBE FIND SOMEONE.

TELL ME HOW WE RESEARCH THIS OR DO WE NOT RESEARCH AT ALL? >> I'M NOT SURE.

>> THAT'S ONE OF MY PROBLEMS. >> IS A BIG PROJECT. IT IS AN IMPORTANT ADDITION REGARDS TO THE USAGE THAT IS ALWAYS GUARDED THE PROCESS. THE LAND WAS PURCHASED, SPECIFICALLY FOR A WHEN WE STARTED THE PROCESS IT WAS TO LOOK FOR A GUN RANGE FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AND DISCUSS THE USE OF THE RANGE BY THE PUBLIC, I PERSONALLY THINK YOU HAVE GUN RANGES GOING OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE IT IS A TOUGH BUSINESS. PEOPLE DON'T SEEK TO GO SHOOT ON A REGULAR BASIS ESPECIALLY IF YOU CANNOT GET AMMUNITION. THAT IS WHERE WE STARTED AND IT EVOLVED INTO SOMETHING BIGGER.

I WANT TO GIVE GENE CREDIT FOR MOVING THE WAY HE DID. BUT YOU CAN EXPOUND ON YOUR

THOUGHT PROCESS. >> I HAVE OVER 400 MEMBERS THAT HAVE TO QUALIFY AT LEAST ONCE PER YEAR. QUALIFICATION IS TYPICALLY SEVERAL HOURS.

IT IS A SEVERAL HOUR EVENT THAT INCLUDES CLASSROOM PORTIONS AND SHOOTING AND ANY REMEDIAL THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THAT IS PURELY QUALIFICATION. TYPICALLY, YOU WOULD QUALIFY ABOUT 15-25 PEOPLE PER DAY. THERE ARE ALSO DAYS WHEN CALLS FOR SERVICE OR SOMETHING PREVENTS US FROM SENDING THAT MANY PEOPLE SO WE MAY ONLY SEND A FEW.

WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SHOOTING OF A FIREARM, QUALIFICATIONS THE BARE MINIMUM.

WHAT WE DON'T DO VERY WELL NOW IS STRAIN. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MOVING AND SHOOTING AT COMMUNICATING AND SHOOTING, ALL OF THE SKILLS THAT ARE PERISHABLE THAT HAVE TO BE DONE OVER AND OVER, THAT IS WHAT WE LACK. WE HAVE TO DO THE

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WE DON'T DO ANY TRAINING. HOW MANY DAYS COULD WE TRAIN, WE COULD TRAIN A LOT OF DATES.

SMALL TEAM MOVEMENT. SPECIALTY MOVEMENT. WE HAVE DEPUTIES THAT RESPOND TO SITUATIONS AT THE JAIL. THERE ARE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR TRAINING.

WHEN WE TRAIN EVERY SINGLE DAY, NO. BUT I AM A BIG BELIEVER IN TRAINING ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SHOOTING A GUN AT PEOPLE.

SO COMMISSIONER RENNINGER I CAN GIVE YOUR DATE BUT I USED TO RUN A POLICE GUN RANGE AND WE WERE OUT THERE SHOOTING A LOT, THE MORE WE PRACTICE AND TRAIN, THE BETTER OFF EVERYONE IS.

>> I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WE WENT DOWN THIS PARTICULAR ROAD IS BECAUSE, WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO RESPOND IN A TIMELY FASHION TO GET THE SHERIFF WHICH HE NEEDED TO TRAINER PEOPLE.

IF WE WENT THROUGH, GRANTS, SEARCHING FOR FISH AND WILDLIFE, WILDLIFE, NRA, WHOEVER MAY COME ON BOARD TO FACILITATE THE FINANCING OR THE CONSTRUCTION, IT TAKES TIME.

WE WERE TRYING TO WADE THAT TIME AND AS WE WERE PREPARING TO GET THINGS READY FOR BID, WE WERE STILL SEARCHING THE LAST PARTNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY I SAW FOR A GUN RANGE WAS THE FBI PARTNERSHIP WHICH FELL THROUGH SEVERAL YEARS AGO AND NOW SITTING IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTY.

WHEN IT COMES TO GRANTS, WE ARE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT THE GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND TALKING TO COLLEAGUES. I AM NOT AWARE OF THE GROWING RANGE GRANT OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW. THE ONLY GRANT WE SEE A LITTLE BIT OF OUR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE GRANTS WHICH WE HAVE AND THE COMMUNITY POLICING GRANTS. EVEN GRANTS IN GENERAL FOR LAW

ENFORCEMENT HAVE DRIED UP QUITE A BIT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO TALK THEM INTO COMING DOWN HERE, THEY OFFERED TO COME AND TEACH CLASSES BUT WE DON'T HAVE

CLASSROOM SPACE FOR THEM. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT VALUE ENGINEERING. HOW DOES THAT TAKE PLACE. THEY BID ON THE SPECS.

RESELECT, WE SELECT SOMEONE TO DEVELOP THE PROJECT. HOW DO YOU DO THIS TO SAVE

MONEY? >> ORIGINAL THOUGHT WAS, WE WERE ACTUALLY DOING THIS PRIOR TO THE BID. THAT WAS THE FOCUS OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND WE FOUND OUT IT WAS A PUBLIC REASON WE HAD TO HAVE IT IN THEIR. THE CONTRACTORS GET THE AWARD FOR WHAT IS APPROVED BY THE BOARD. TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE ITEMS PRESENTED AND THE DISCUSSIONS SUCH AS THIS, AND SEE WHAT HE COULD PRODUCE.

>> >> THEY TOOK IT UPON THEMSELVES. IT IS ALWAYS GOOD.

>> LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION, COULD WE WAIVE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ROADS?

>> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN WAVE IT. WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE

CODE AND SEE IF YOU HAD TO DO A CHANGE. >> COULD WE PASS AN ADDENDUM TO

THE CODE FOR A ONE-OFF DEAL WHERE THIS WOULD BE OKAY? >> I DON'T THINK THE COUNCIL IS

ANSWERING. SHE IS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE. >> WE WILL TAKE IT BACK AND LOOK

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AT IT. >> LEGALLY, WE COULD DO THAT? >> YES.

>> IF WE HAVE ALL FIVE VOTES. YOU DON'T HAVE MY VOTE. >> TAKE YOUR MARBLES AND GO

HOME. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. WHAT AREN'T THEY DEMOLISHING? THERE IS A LINE FOR DEMOLITION THAT IS $5,000. WHAT ARE THEY DEMOLIHING?

>> AN EXISTING HOUSE OUT THERE. >> THERE ARE STRUCTURES OUT THERE.

>> WHY ARE WE NOT LEADING THE CHIEF -- IT'S $45,000. THEY HAVE $95,000 IN EROSION CONTROL. TO OTHER BIDDERS HAD IT AT $33,000.43000.

THEY HAVE A PAVILION AND A TOWER OF $745,000. THERE'S NOT OPPORTUNITIES FOR SAVINGS THERE. $41,000 FOR A WELL THAT WE DID NOT SUSPECT.

$245,000 INSIDE. I DID THAT IN MY YARD AND IT DIED AND CAME BACK AS WE.

AWFULLY WE BUY BETTER SOD THAN THAT. LIKE I SAID WE HAVE $1 MILLION IN DIRT, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN BUILD THIS OUT OF. RIGHT NOW DIRT, MR. SMITH SAID IN MY MEETING, RIGHT NOW DIRT IS VERY VALUABLE IN CLAY COUNTY BECAUSE OF STATE ROAD 23.

IS THERE A WAY, FLORIDA GATEWAY COLLEGE, I WENT OUT THERE, I SAW THE WALLS ON THE SIDE WERE MADE OUT OF CONCRETE BLOCK. THEN THEY HAD THE OTHER STUFF ON THE BACK.

I WENT TO THE JACKSONVILLE SHERIFF'S RANGE AND I THINK IT WAS BUILT THE SAME WAY.

IT HAD WALLS ON THE SIDE,. >> IT JUST SEEMS TO ME, THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES AND AGAIN, I WOULD ARGUE HALF OF THE ROADS IN MY DISTRICT ARE NOT PAVED.

THE ROOFING MATERIAL, -- >> CAN WE CUT $1 MILLION OUT OF THE PROJECT?

>> I THINK YOU WOULD HAVE TO REJECT ALL BIDS AND START OVER. COME UP WITH A DIFFERENT SCOPE

AND REDESIGN IT AND MOVE FORWARD. >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET TO WHERE SOME OF US THINK WE WANT TO BE BY NEGOTIATING HERE. SO, WE HAVE THREE DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, THE DIFFERENT AVENUES TO PROCEED. WE CAN SIT HERE AND COMPARE DOLLARS AND GOLD DOWN LINE BY LINE AND THAT WON'T HELP US AT THIS POINT.

WE CAN APPROVE CHANGE RECOMMENDATION, WE CAN TABLED THIS, WE CAN TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER JEAN CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO SEE WHAT MONEY WE COULD SAVE AND IF THAT IS A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BIDS GO OUT AND THE WAY THEY WERE HANDCUFFED BECAUSE OF IT.

AND WE CAN VOTE IT DOWN AND GIVE DIRECTION TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

THOSE ARE THE THREE AVENUES. MY RECOMMENDATION IS, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO VOTE IT DOWN BECAUSE YOU THINK IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD SAVE AND BRING BACK, RESURRECT, WITH SOME SAVINGS THAT MAKES IT PALPABLE FOR EVERYONE WE CAN TABLE IT AND MOVE IT TO NEXT MONTH OR BEYOND.

TEETH MY FEELING IS, MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE GUN RANGE CHANGE, AT LEAST IN TERMS OF THE WAY IT IS CONSTRUCTED WITH THE DOLLARS AND CENTS AFTER THAT SHARE SHOWED UP AT THE WORKSHOP THE OTHER DAY, AND TOLD US, WHAT WAS EXPECTED TO BE DONE WITH THE JAIL. I THINK AT THAT POINT MY PROCESS CHANGED AND I DON'T THINK I CAN DEDICATE $3.6 MILLION TO A GUN RANGE, SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. IN FACT IT WAS THE CHIEF WHO SAID HE ONLY NEEDED A MOUND OF

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DIRT AND A PAPER TARGET. >> HE DID SAY THAT. HE WAS EXAGGERATING AND INDICATING AS LONG AS HE HAD A PLACE TO REST HIS HOLSTER, HE HAD A PLACE.

THOSE ARE THE THREE AREAS WE CAN MOVE ON. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT AND DISCUSS IT, WE CAN TABLE IT. IF IT DOES NOT GO AWAY WE CAN KILL IT OR APPROVE IT. NOTHING ELSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.

>> JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE PREAWARD OF THE BID.

SO YOU CAN TABLE IT FOR WHATEVER PURPOSE BUT YOU CANNOT TABLE IT AND NEGOTIATE WITH THE

CONTRACTOR PRIOR TO THE BID. >> I STAND CORRECTED. >> I MAY ADD A FOURTH OPTION TO REJECT ALL BIDS, AND SEND US BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD WITH GUIDANCE, LIKE MORE SPECIFICS ON WHETHER IT IS DUAL USE ARE NOT. THE PROBLEM THAT HAPPENED WITH THE CIVILIANS COMING IN, THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS, ADA RESTRICTION THAT ARE INVOLVED YEAR.

THAT IS THE REALITY. CAN WE HAVE WAIVERS, SURE. THERE IS A WAIVER FOR EVERYTHING. UNFORTUNATELY YOU SET PRECEDENTS AND WE SET THIS FOR BUILDINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND IT BECOMES DANGEROUS. I MEAN, THAT IS A FOURTH OPTION.

>> SCOPE IT IS THE THIRD OPTION. THE TABLE IS DIFFICULT, WE CAN'T NEGOTIATE WITHOUT IT.

>> I THINK IT IS PRETTY EASY. WE WANT TO DO IT. WE HAVE A PLACE TO DO IT AND THE MONEY. WE WANT TO DO IT EXPEDITIOUSLY BUT ECONOMICALLY.

ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF OTHER EQUALLY OR PRESSING NEEDS BY THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

MY THOUGHT IS, GO BACK TWO A 50-YARD RANGE WHERE WE STARTED. IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, AND COMMISSIONER, EXCUSE ME, I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE AT THE SITE IS WE HAVE TO BUILD A LONG ROAD JUST TO GET IN THERE. WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON THE ROAD BUT HOW WILL WE GET TO THE ACTUAL GUN RANGE. LOOK AT THE PLANS IT IS A THE DRIVEWAY TO GET TO WHERE IT IS.

>> I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ROAD. I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PAVED ROAD AND THE ASPHALT. IF IT IS A MATTER OF TRUCK TRAFFIC, I TOOK GREAT OFFENSE TO BEING TOLD THERE WAS A PLAN FOR THE PROPERTY THAT WE WERE NOT AWARE OF AND I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT FOR SIX MONTHS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF THIS IS THE KIND OF THICKNESS OF ASPHALT THAT WE NEED FOR TRUCK TRAFFIC THEN -- THEN WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY AND WE NEED TO SHUT IT DOWN. WE NEED TO BUILD IT THICKER TODAY.

THAT WAS TO ME. I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT PAVING ROADS, ALMOST AS MUCH AS I TALK ABOUT TRASH. MY ISSUE, I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE TO BUILD A ROAD, TO BE SENT BACK ON THE PROPERTY FURTHER SO WE ARE AWAY FROM THE CHURCH BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE AS FAR BACK ON THE PROPERT AS THEY PUT IT. I WAS TOLD, THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN FOR THE OTHER USES. BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THE OVERALL

USE. >> I DON'T THINK THERE ARE OTHER USES.

IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN BROAD TERMS, LIKE A BURN BUILDING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR THE WAREHOUSE STORE ADDITIONAL VEHICLES BUT NOTHING HAS EVER BEEN DEFINITIVE.

THEY WERE JUST TALKING POINTS AS TO WHAT ELSE. >> LAST WEEK I WAS TOLD THERE

WAS A PLAN FOR WE WERE NOT PRIVY TO IT. >> TO BE NEED THE ADA ROAD

INSTEAD OF GRAVEL. >> IT SEEMS AS IF, IF SOMEONE WILL MAKE A MOTION.

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>> I ASKED THAT HAVE PUT OUT 50-YARD RANGE WITH 30 STATIONS FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

IN ADDITION WE PUT THE SPECIFICATION WE ARE ASKING THE CONTRACTORS TO BID ON.

WE ASK THESE CONTRACTORS, I DON'T THINK IT IS GOOD BUSINESS TO COME IN AND CHANGE IT.

THE BID FOR PROPOSAL NOT THE SAME AS THE PROMISE OF WORK AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE WE NEGOTIATE. I JUST THINK WE NEED TO DO BETTER ABOUT SPECIFYING.

MY MOTION IS WE REJECT THE BIDS WE ASK STAFF TO DO UP NRMP WHICH SHOOTING TARGETS AND SOME VALUE

BETTER ENGINEERED. >> I THINK THOSE SPECS HAVE TO BE CHANGED.

WILL BE IN THE SAME SITUATION IF YOU SAY YOU WILL VALUE ENGINEER. >> I THINK YOU'RE UP TO CHANGE AND TELL THEM POINT BLANK, THE ONLY WANT AN INCH AND A HALF OF ASPHALT.

I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUST SAY, WE LOOK TO SAVE MONEY AFTER WE DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER

AGAIN. >> I HAVE A MOTION. >> ESSAYS BACKEND DESIGN, THERE ARE A FEW THINGS WE CAN DO HERE. ONE PULL OFF OF THE SHELF FROM ANOTHER LOCATION, AND WE CAN GET WITH THE SHERIFF TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AS IT WAS

SHORTER WITH THE REQUIREMENTS. >> WE CAN ALSO TALK TO PURCHASING TO SEE IF IT WOULD BE A REQUEST FOR LOWEST BID OR PROPOSALS YOU WOULD CONSIDER AND NEGOTIATE.

>> I THINK THE OTHER THINGS, IT COMES BACK TO ME A COUPLE TIMES FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE, WE PUT A SHORT TIMEFRAME IN TERMS OF TURNING AROUND IN A TIMELY FASHION AND DELIVER A PROJECT THEY CAN UTILIZE. BUT I THINK AT THE SAME TIME IT SCARES OFF COMPETITION AND MAY HAVE INCREASED THE PRICE AS WELL. SO, WE HAVE LEARNED A LITTLE IN TERMS OF FLIP WE DON'T THINK WE WANT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO NOT ACCEPT THE BID WHICH WAS RECOMMENDED BY THE MANAGER. WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SECOND.

WE ARE NOT. >> I WILL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. MY POINT IS THIS COMMISSION

DECIDED WE WOULD GO WITH FULL USE. >> IS THIS COMMISSION SAYING WE MADE A MISTAKE AND WE NEED TO GO BACK TO SINGLE USE. THAT IS OKAY.

THE ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED. $38 MILLION WORTH. THAT IS A REAL CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. I LOOK AT THIS BODY AND WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS GUN RANGE FOR A LONG TIME. NOW WE ARE CHANGING OUR MINDS AGAIN.

AT SOME POINT,. >> WE HAVE TO PUT IT INTO THE GROUND.

I CANNOT -- THAT IS THE QUESTION I HAVE. IF IT IS SINGLE-USE, ONE AGENCY, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUT. ONE AGENCY, SINGLE USE, IT IS OKAY.

BUT I THINK THERE ARE MORE OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE. >> I WOULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT, THE SHERIFF JUST SAID, 10-15 MINUTES AGO THAT SHE IS WELL-CONNECTED WITH THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND SHE RUNS IN THOSE CIRCLES. IF THERE ARE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO TRAIN, THE SHERIFF MAY USE IT TO GENERATE FORWARD TRADING

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ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT CAMP LANDING IS LESS THAN 15 MINUTES AWAY AND PEOPLE PAY TO GO AND TRAIN THEIR WHERE THEY HAVE PLACES TO STAY AND PLACES TO EAT, AND THEY DO THAT AS THEIR WORK. I DON'T KNOW. IT IS JUST A THOUGHT.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION? >> (SPEAKING AWAY FROM MICROPHONE).

>> REALISTICALLY THE TROOPERS THAT ARE ASSIGNED HERE, TYPICALLY, THE RANGE IS IN THE COUNTY SUPPORTS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THAT HAVE JURISDICTION IN YOUR COUNTY AS

WELL. >> SO THERE'S NO REVENUE. >>

>> THE ONLY REVENUE THAT I HAVE SEEN GENERATED FROM A POLICE GUN RANGE, YOU WOULD HAVE TRAINING COME IN AND THEY WILL PAY A THE TO USE THE RANGE AND THEY CHARGE PEOPLE WHO ATTEND THEIR CLASS.

, DEPUTY, I WILL PAY $200 TO ATTEND THIS TRAINING CLASS ON THE PERSON HOSTING, PAYS $1,000 FOR A WEEK OF USE AND THEY FIND WAIVERS WHERE IN MY EXPERIENCE, LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES DON'T TYPICALLY CHARGE OTHER AGENCIES FOR USE BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL UNFUNDED MANDATES,.

ONE AND THE OTHER THING WE SAID THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WOULD HAVE TO QUALIFY.

THERE'S PROBABLY, 600 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, PROBABLY CLOSER TO 650 THAT WOULD USE THE RANGE. SINGLE AGENCY, I THINK THE RESPONSIBLE THING WOULD BE TO OPEN IT UP TO THE OTHER AGENCIES AND TRAIN WITH THEM.

>> WHERE DO THEY TRAIN NOW? >> WE GO TO DIFFERENT PLACES. WHEREVER WE CAN GET IN.

>> I HAVE TO SAY, BEING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT WITH THIS AND YOU HAVE WORKED HARD, YOU DID LOOK WE ASK THAT WHAT WE VOTED ON. THE BOARD DID VOTE FOR DUAL USE.

AND AS YOU SAY, WE HAD NO IDEA THAT WE WOULD COME ONTO $38 MILLION.

THE FACTS ARE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO HAVE THIS. I AM IN SUPPORT OF I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT WAS THE MOTION? >> MY MOTION WAS TO REJECT THE CURRENT BID AND ASK STAFF TO PUT

OUT AN RFP FOR A 2-YARD RANGE WITH 30 SHOOTING STATIONS. >> THE GOAL WAS TO HAVE THEM

SHOOTING BY DECEMBER THAT WILL BE GONE NOW. >> WE NEED TO THROW THAT AWAY.

>> THAT CHESS JACKS THE COST OF. WHAT WAS THE OTHER POSSIBILITY. >> TO TABLE IT, THAT WOULD HOLD EVERYTHING THERE WHILE WE LOOKING TO SEE THE NEXT MOVE. IT WOULD NOT MOVE US FORWARD, IT WOULD JUST SIT THERE UNTIL WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON HOW GOOD THE BIDS ARE FOR.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION NANOSECOND. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION IF NEW LINE WE HAVE A MOTION

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I WILL JOIN WITH THE AYE. ALL AGAINST? SO PRE-TO THE MOTION FAILED, AGAIN, I WILL MAKE A MOTION READ WITH WHAT WE WANT BEFORE WE GO RACING OFF AND DEVELOP SOMETHING

ELSE WE DON'T WANT. COME BACK NEXT MEETING. >> THAT IS ONE OF MY AVENUES OF MOVING FORWARD. WE ARE NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE TAXPAYERS THEY ALREADY

THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE PART OF THIS. >> THAT IS WHERE I AM COMING FROM. I WILL VOTE FOR ANYTHING. AS LONG AS IT IS SPIRIT.

>> IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE. I COULD MAKE AN AMENDED MOTION THAT SAYS IT IS NOT SINGLE-USE BUT SHORTER. THIS WAS THE SHERIFF'S REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT SHE WANTED.

BUT I DON'T CLAIRE DOES NOT CARE USE. SHE HAS A VALID POINT.

SO WHATEVER WILL OPEN UP, I THINK IN LEE COUNTY FAIR RANGES DUAL USE.

IT IS OPEN ON TUESDAY IN THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. AND ON SATURDAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE REST OF THE DAYS ARE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT AS MUCH AS, THE 200 YARDS AND A TON OF DIRT.

>> ANYTHING FOR PUBLIC USE. >> IF THERE IS A PRIVATE ENTITY, PEOPLE WANT TO COME OUT.

PLUS OTHER EVENTS. IF YOU MAKE THE PROPERTY DECENT, YOU CAN DO A CAR SHOW.

CHANGE 50 YARDS TO START AND WITH THE LANE POSSIBILITIES LATER ON IF WE WANT TO DO THAT.

THERE WAS NO MASTER PLAN. YOU COULD BUILD FLEXIBILITY AND THEN WE CAN SEE IF THERE'S AN APPETITE. DO THAT. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, AND WE BROUGHT THIS THE BOARD WE ALSO HAD A DECISION ON A 50-YARD RANGE.

THERE WAS A $500,000 DIFFERENCE. IF WE DO A PUBLIC USE PERGOLA CODE, WE HAVE TO DO THE ROAD AND

THE PARKING LOT. >> WHY DO WE HAVE TO DO THE ROAD?

WE HAVE PLENTY OF DIRT ROADS IN CLAY COUNTY. >> IF IT IS PUBLIC USE,.

>> WE CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC DRIVE ON A GRAVEL ROAD. THE CODE IS FOR THE PARKING LOT

FOR THE ADA. >> PATIENT THE ROAD AND THE PARKING LOT.

>> ONE AT A TIME PLEASE. THAT IS WHY I THINK WE NEED TO TABLE THIS.

THERE'S TOO MANY VARIABLES AND QUESTIONS. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK LOOK AT THIS THING, AND THEN BE ABLE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.

I THINK AT THIS POINT, WE ARE GRASPING AT SPIRIT. >> I THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT AN WE ARE LOOKING TO BE ECONOMICAL AS WELL AS PRACTICAL. AND TO PROVIDE THE SHERIFF AND OTHER AGENCIES WITH A PLACE TO QUALIFY. PERHAPS HAVE A PUBLIC COMPONENT WHERE WE COULD GIVE PEOPLE INTRODUCER SHOOTING. MUCH TO DO RIFLE SHOTS ON THE

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I THINK AT THIS POINT, THAT IS THE BEST FOR US. THE BEST THING IS TO TABLE

THINGS I THINGS WE HAVE LEARNED. >> I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE EXPANSION.

YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL. IF YOU DESIGN 30 STATIONS AND YOU WANT TO HAVE DURABLE RANGE STAFF YOUR YOU HAVE TO PUT UP OTHERWISE THE ENTIRE RANGE HAS TO GO COLD.

THE FUTURE EXPANSION HAS TO BE ADJACENT OR AN AREA WHERE WE LOSE STATIONS BECAUSE -- FORM THREE DESIGN WITH A CAPABILITY. THIS IS WHERE SOME MONEY IS THAT.

MY QUESTION IS, IS IT OUR CODE THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE PAVED ROAD FOR A PUBLIC FACILITY, OR IS IT JUST A PARKING LOT. IF WE PUT A TENNIS COURT IN KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, WE HAVE TO

HAVE A PAVED ROAD. >> PUBLIC ACCESS. >> AS PART OF OUR CODE, THE GUN RANGE REQUIRES THAT. ANY PIECE OF IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS PRIVATE OR PUBLIC OR THE ROADWAY, PRIVATE OR PUBLIC, WITH FAKE GUN RANGE IT REQUIRES PAID FONTS.

>> MEMO : HOW TO BUILD THE GUN RANGE. WE HAVE A CODE THAT SOMEHOW

INCLUDES EVERYTHING. YOU JUST SAID,. >> THE SAME WAY WITH THE ADA YOU HAVE TO HAVE ADA ACCESSIBLE RESTROOMS AND PARKING LOTS. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT IS

PRIVATE OR PUBLIC GOVERNMENT YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE ADA ACCESS. >> WHEN DO YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS STUFF BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC AND WE CAN BUILD IT CHEAPER FOR THE SHERIFF, THAT'S

NOT TRUE. >> NOT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. >> WE ARE NOT SAVING ANYTHING BY

CUTTING THE PUBLIC OUT. >> GOOD POINT. >> UNLESS YOU MAKE IT ALL THERE.

AND YOU ALSO CAN SAVE MONEY BY GETTING IT UP TO THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A HALF-MILE. >> I HAVE 02 TABLE A BIG CHANGE

WE WILL TABLE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. >> CAN WE ASK FOR OPTIONS? THERE'S ALL KIND OF STUFF HERE WE ARE SHOOTING AT. CAN WE GET SOME OPTIONS, AS WE

ARE TABLING IT. >> WHAT KIND OF OPTIONS ARE YOU LOOKING FOR.

>> TAKING AWAY THIS,. >> THAT IS WHAT COURTNEY SAID. I GUESS IT WAS KAREN.

>> IF WE TABLE IT AND CHANGE IT WE WILL HAVE TO DO THAT. WE ARE NOT ALL ON BOARD WITH IT.

>> I AM JUST TRYING TO GET TO A POINT IF YOU HAVE IDEAS AND YOU WANT TO GIVE DIRECTION OVER THE

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JEAN WILL, TO US AT THE NEXT MEETING AND TELL US THE SPECS AND TALENTS TO WHAT EVERYONE HAS

EXPRESSED AN OPINION. THEN WE CAN DO A NEW RFP. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND

OF ARRANGEMENT IF WE CANNOT IT WE WILL GO WITH 50. >> WE WANT TO DO A WORKSHOP ON

THIS. >> YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR?

>> WITH TABLING. YOU HAVE A SECOND. >> YOU JUST RETRACTED HER

SECOND, SECOND. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE DO

A WORKSHOP ON THIS AS AS POSSIBLE. >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT.

WE JUST HAVE TO WORK OUT THE TIMEFRAME BECAUSE IT IS A BUSY TIME A TOWN HALL MEETING AND WE WILL DO IT. AND YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE WILL HAVE IT.

>> MY GOAL IS I WILL GIVE WITH TERESA, THERE SHE IS. I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYONE'S

SCHEDULE AND THEIR CALENDAR TO MAKE SURE. >> WE HAVE TO INVITE THE

ENGINEERING PEOPLE. , AND ANYONE ELSE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, SHERIFF DO YOU HAVE ANY PARTING WORDS BEFORE YOU LEAVE?

ANYTHING FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE TODAY? >> NO.

>> WILL MOVE FORWARD TO COMMISSION AUDITOR. WE KNOW SHE'S OUT ILL.

[COUNTY ATTORNEY]

COUNTY ATTORNEY COMPARED. >> A REMINDER IN CONNECTION WITH THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION.

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[COUNTY MANAGER]

THAT TOOK US OVER $4,800. THAT WAS OVER THE PURCHASING POLICY REQUIREMENT TO GET THE BID SPIRIT THE QUESTIONS ON THAT. RIGHT NOW THE MEMBERSHIP COST $100,000. IT USED TO BE $80,000. WOULD IT BE THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD TO GET A BRIEFING AS WE FINALIZE THE BUDGET SEASON OR I'M JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON THAT, WITH REGARD TO MEMBERSHIP. HEART WALK AWAY AND MY HEAD, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. FOR $100,000, IT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO HAVE HER EXPLAIN TO

US AND THE PUBLIC WHAT WE COULD GET FOR THE $100,000. >> WHAT WE ORIGINALLY GOT OUT OF THIS, THEY SUPPLIED US WITH SOME TRAINING AND PSALMS BUDDIES, AND THE IDEA WAS, WE DECIDED TO DROP BEING A MEMBER AND PAYING THE ANNUAL DUES AND NOT GETTING ANY VALUE UNTIL WE DECIDED WE WANTED TO HAVE A STUDY DONE AND WE WITH PAY FOR THE STUDY. THAT WAY WE WOULD GET THE BENEFIT OF THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND PAY FOR THE STUDY AS WE USED IT. AS IT TURNS OUT WE HAVE BEEN PAID ANTHING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T USE ANYTHING. WE HAVE SAVE MONEY NOT BEING A

MEMBER. >> SHE HEARD HER NAME AND SHE WOKE UP.

>> I AM HAPPY TO SPEAK ON PUBLIC COMMENT IF THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO DO.

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BUT EITHER WAY. >> WE CAN SCHEDULE FOR THE FUTURE TO HAVE HER COME BACK.

>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER AT THIS POINT TO HAVE YOU COME BACK AND HAVE YOU PUT INTO A

PRESENTATION SITUATION. >> THIS IS ACTUALLY $87,000. FORTY-ONE CENTS PER CAPITA.

>> WE ARE USING IT WITH INFLATION. >> SO THEY WILL COORDINATE AND

COME BACK AND TALK TO US. >> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> THAT WAS AMAZING.

>> 9:35 P.M. AND AGAIN IN THEIR. >> I HOPE EVERYONE IS OKAY. I'M JUST NOT IN A RECEPTIVE MOOD

AT THIS POINT. >> I THINK WE CAN GET HER INTO FULL PRESENTATION MODE.

>> I PITCHED IT AT SAINT YOU TALK ABOUT REDUCING GOVERNMENT, THIS IS HOW IT IS DONE.

>> THE NEXT THING, I HAD A PHONE CALL, OR A MEETING WITH NICK ALONG WITH THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT THE FIRE WATCH. RIGHT NOW I AM LOOKING AT A LETTER AND A METRIC THEY HAD.

THEY HAD METRICS OVER THE COURSE OF TIME THAT THE SURROUND THE COUNTIES SUPPORTED.

AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW, IT IS TO HELP VETERANS AND FIRST RESPONDERS WITH REGARDS TO SIDE AND THINKING ABOUT THAT. THEY HAVE, THEY ARE CHANGING THEIR EXECUTIVE DIRECTORSHIP.

IT WILL NO LONGER BE FUNDED BY CANINES FOR WARRIORS SPIRIT THEY AREN'T LOOKING FOR AN INCREASE OF $10,000 FOR A $25,000 IMPORTANT THAT. FROM THE BOARD'S POINT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I CAN ASK COME IN IN BRIEF THE BOARD AS WE FINALIZE THE BUDGET TO SHOW THAT.

HE CAN ALSO SHOW THE METRICS AND THE FUTURE COURSE OF ACTION. IF HE SHOWS UP RIGHT NOW, I WILL BE FLOORED. WITH THAT, DID I MISS ANYTHING ON THAT?

>> THEY ARE MIGRATING TO AN LLC. THIS IS SO THEY CAN SUPPORT A BROADER AUDIENCE.

BEFORE IT WAS JUST NORTHEAST FLORIDA. BUT THEY ARE UNDER CONTRACT WITH THE STATE OF VETERAN AFFAIRS TO IMPLEMENT SUICIDE PREVENTION STATEWIDE.

THE POTENTIAL IS, THEY MAY BE A MODEL THAT IS ADOPTED NATIONWIDE.

SO THEY HAD IT MIGRATED FROM THE DESIGNATION TO A VIABLE ONE. QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK VETERAN SUICIDE WILL BE A BIGGER PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE THAN WHAT IT IS TODAY.

>> IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD, I WILL PROVIDE A PRESENTATION SO THE DECISION FOR THE FINALIZE

BUDGET CAN HAPPEN, IF THAT IS OKAY. >> THE FOURTH ITEM, INVESTMENT COMMITTEE. THERE'S A PROPOSAL WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE OFFICE AMY HAS BEEN PART OF IT. AND WE HAVE MET WITH THEM, THE CHAIR AND THE COMMISSIONER WERE TEAM ON OUR SIDE, WITH TROY, HEATHER, TO LOOK AT THE INVESTMENT POLICY.

WE NEED TO HAVE UPDATES WITH THE UPCOMING BUDGET WHEN WE PRODUCE IT.

BASICALLY WHAT I CALL CHANGING HAPPY'S TO GLAD. BUT THERE IS SOME SERIOUS CHANGING TO BE HAD WITH REGARDS TO THE POLICY AND HOW RISKY WE WANT TO GET.

AMY CAME BEFORE THE LORD, TALKING ABOUT I'LL SHE WAS ABLE TO INVEST THE MONEY.

WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, GETTING A SIGNIFICANT RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT.

THAT WILL BE COMING TO THE BOARD AS WE APPROACH SEPTEMBER. AND POSSIBLY CREATING, AND

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BOARD ON THAT. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? >> THIS SHOULD BE, MY LAST ONE WAS THE ASPHALT, LAST ONE, I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH COLONEL FRANK ON A FEW INITIATIVES.

YOU KNOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE GRANTS, ONE FOR THE FIRE STATION, ONCE TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF WATER AND WORD TO THE GUN RANGE. I DID NOT MEAN TO BRING THAT BACK UP NOW, BUT WITH OUR VISION I HAD, HE WENT TO THE ARMY BOARD, IT MEETS REGULARLY, AND ON FRIDAY, THEY GAVE PERMISSION FOR US TO PARTNER WITH THEM IF WE WOULD LIKE, TO PUT A BURN BUILDING ON THE 15 ACRES. IT DOES NOT COST US ANYTHING. MY VISION FOR THAT WOULD BE, LOOKING FOR DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD, WE WOULD PARTNER WITH THEM AND POSSIBLY GET SOME GRANDSON MONEY FROM THE STATE OR FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE A DUAL USE FACILITY NOT ONLY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUT ALSO FROM THE MILITARY SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHEN THEY HAVE TRAINING GOING ON. REALLY GREAT NEWS. THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT IS, THE CHALLENGES AT THE GUN RANGE WERE NO WATER OR SEWER, AND GAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THAT.

>> I DON'T KNOW. AGAIN, IT IS A DUAL SCENARIO. I THINK I WOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE.

IT IS A BURN BUILDING ON THAT IS BAD. PENDING ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM

THE BOARD, THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> ANYTHING PROBERT, VERY GOOD. MOVE ON TO LETTERS FOR ACTION.

[LETTERS FOR ACTION]

WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO FILL. APPLICATIONS WERE FORWARDED FOR THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER FOR VETTING AND SHE HAS RETURNED THE APPLICATIONS AND WE HAVE KENNETH I WANT TO NOMINATE KENNETH SITS ON THE COMMITTEE AND HE WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION AS FAR AS

BIKING SPIRIT. >> I ALSO THOUGHT HE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND.

I THOUGHT HE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF BUDGETS AND INVESTMENT AND OTHER THINGS.

I AGREE WITH YOU. HE HAS BEEN TO SEVERAL MEETINGS AND HE IS UP TO.

>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND ON THAT NOMINATION MAKES. >> WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PICK TWO OF THEM BEFORE. I READ ALL OF THEIR APPLICATIONS, I JUST THOUGHT

THEY WERE ALL IN. >> THEY ARE ALL GOOD GUYS. >> TO HAVE KENNETH FARROW LET'S SAY WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND PERIOD ALL IN FAVOR OF KENNETH MEANS SELECTED FOR THE AT-LARGE VACANCY, SAY AYE. ANY OPALS, IT CARRIES. WE NEED ONE MORE.

>> I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THEM PERSONALLY. >> THEY WERE BOTH WELL QUALIFIED

TO DO THIS JOB. ARE WILL NOMINATE BRIAN. >> WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECOND.

>> I WOULD SAY THAT HE CAME AND SAT THROUGH HOWEVER LONG THIS MEETING HAS BEEN.

>> TOO LONG. >> I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THESE. I MET HIM ONCE.

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I DON'T KNOW ANYONE ON YOUR. >> I HAVE WORKED WITH MR. KLOSS, AND IS A FINE GENTLEMAN.

HE SHOWED UP AND I WILL VOUCH FOR HIM. >> DO WE HAVE A MOTION.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION. >> DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPALS? IT CARRIES. CONGRATULATIONS WALTER.

I WOULD NOT SAY IT WAS THE SHORTEST MEETING IN THE WORLD. >> LET'S MOVE TO LETTERS OF

[LETTERS OF DOCUMENTATION]

THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FROM MAY 4. THE BID OPENING TABULATION WE

COME TO OUR FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >> I MY QUESTION.

DO YOU KNOW WHY WE ARE RECEIVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS FROM MAY?

THAT IS THE LAST TIME THEY MET, THEY ONLY MEET QUARTERLY. >> THE LAST ONE WAS CANCELED.

>> OKAY, THAT IS WHAT I WAS CONFUSED ABOUT. >> THERE WAS A STORM.

>> I THINK IT HAS JUST BEEN DELAYED. SO THIS WAS THE LAST MEETING.

OKAY, I THOUGHT I HAD MISSED SOMETHING. >> WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE MINUTES HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL BEFORE IT COMES BACK TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> LET'S GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. MR. CARTER, I HAVE YOUR CARD

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

HERE FIRST. >> DALE CARTER. ( INDISCERNIBLE ).

I AM SORRY ABOUT THE OUTBURST BUT I HATE WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING THAT IS NOT RIGHT.

WHAT YOU ASK ABOUT THE GUN RANGE, THERE IS MONEY THAT COULD BE SAVED.

YOU HAVE IT SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU, THAT IS THE MINIMUM. >> SCHEDULE.

>> THERE IS OPTIONS ABOUT THE DIRT. ALSO JUST ANOTHER PUBLIC COMMENT ON SOMETHING. YOU HAD THE LAND FOR THE FIELD OF DREAMS OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT, THAT LAND SOLD FOR AND IT WAS ON YOUR TAX ROLL FOR ANOTHER MILE.

IT WAS SOLD IN 20214 $1.7 MILLION FOR 500 ACRES. THAT IS THE REASON YOU NEED APPRAISALS. THERE IS NO SENSE IN PAYING $20,000 WHEN YOU CAN BUY IT FOR 8,000. THE COUNTY ALWAYS GET THE BAD END OF THE STICK BECAUSE THEY THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT. THAT IS SOMETHING. IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK. SOME OF THIS UP THERE WAS NOT RIGHT AND IT WAS NOT TRUE.

THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN CHANGE AND GIVE THE SHERIFF WHAT SHE WANTS.

YOU CAN STILL GIVE MR. BOLLA'S ROAD, THAT IS ADA EQUIVALENT, DOING THE SAME IDENTICAL THING, WITH A LITTLE ENGINEERING AND SITTING DOWN WITH THE PUBLIC AND SEEN WHAT THEY NEED.

IT IS SOMETHING THEY NEED. LIKE AN ALUMINUM ROOF COMPARED TO A METAL ROOF.

A BIG DIFFERENCE. I THINK FOR TAXPAYERS PURPOSES THAT IS WHAT YOU SHOULD LOOK

FOR. >> MR. OTTO. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER CARDS.

>> JAMES OTTO. MY ADDRESS IS THE SAME. YOU KNOW, THE CLAY CARES ACT, THE BUSINESS WAS ISSUING CLAY COUNTY AND I WAS REFUSED MY $2,000 AND I THINK THE BOARD NEEDS TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT APPLIED FOR THAT MONEY.

THE CLAY WEBSITE, THERE IS NO COMMONS AT THE MEETING TODAY. YOU HAVE TO GO TO FACEBOOK TO SEE THE COMMENTS THE CITIZENS WANT TO MAKE. JIM, THE CITIZENS CAN HOLD THE CONSENT AGENDA AT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETINGS. IT IS AN MARION LAURA.ORG HERE

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WE DON'T NORMALLY HEAR WHAT THE CHAIR IS SAYING. THE JAIL AND BELCOURT THAT NEED& TO BE MOVED OFF OF THE WATERFRONT. HAVEN'T YOU LEARNED ANYTHING FROM JACKSONVILLE. YOU HAVE A LITTLE WATER FRONTAGE AND YOU HAVE THE JAIL AND BELCOURT HOUSE, THAT BEFORE YOU PUT ANY MORE MONEY INTO IT. A CHEERLEADER GOD GRABBED 114 TIMES BY A 14-YEAR-OLD. WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THESE ISSUES WE HAVE GOING ON, BUILDING ANOTHER PARK IS NOT THE ANSWER. YOU HAVE $900,000 AND YOU WANT TO SPEND MORE ON A FAIRGROUND THAT YOU DID NOT EVEN USE FOR A HOMELESS SHELTER FOR EVERY PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY. THE SMALL BUSINESSES THAT HAD TO DEAL WITH THE HOMELESS AND THEIR RESTAURANTS. IT JUST GOES ON AND ON. THE ROADLESS NEEDS TO BE LISTED ON THE WALL. YOU NEED TO LIST THE ZONINGS ON THE WALL.

WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT SEPTEMBER -NOVEMBER IS TALLAHASSEE FOR THE BUDGET.

I HOPE EVERYONE WILL PAY ATTENTION. I WILL GO THERE IN PERSON MYSELF. I TALKED TO THE JUDGE ABOUT THE ZOOM COMMENTS, AND FOR THE VOTERS, THE VOTERS SHOULD BE ABLE TO CALL IN AND MAKE COMMENTS.

HE SAID WE WILL SEE ABOUT THAT. THEY DON'T HAVE A LAW WHERE WE HAVE TO TAKE OUR HATS OFF, YOU WORK FOR US. I WAS LEAVING ALREADY WHEN YOU HAD SOMEONE FOLLOW ME OUT.

RADAR ROAD,. >> YOUR TIME IS UP MR. OTTO. MR. OTTO, THE RED LIGHT IS FLASHING. DEPUTIES PLEASE COME IN AND ESCORT MR. OTTO OUT.

MR. OTTO YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER. >> MR. OTTO YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.

THIS TIME YOU WILL BE SHOWN THE DOOR. DON'T COME BACK NEXT TIME AND SAY YOU DID NOT GET SHOWN THE DOOR. I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE WHO HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I SEE NONE WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC

[COMMISSIONERS' COMMENTS]

COMMENT. COMMISSIONERS YOU HAVE ANYTHING? >> I HAVE JUST ONE THING.

WE HAD OUR FIRST TOWN HALL MEETING YESTERDAY, MONDAY NIGHT OR EVENING.

IT WAS IN ORANGE PARK LIBRARY. IT WAS ATTENDED BY 10-15 PEOPLE. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THEY WERE VERY UNDERSTANDING AND SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING WE ARE DOING. SO MUCH SO, YOU RARELY HEAR THIS COMMENT BUT TOWARDS THE END, WE HAD A CONSTITUENT SAY MAYBE WE SHOULD RAISE TAXES EVEN MORE.

I THINK WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK, AND THEY ENJOYED IT. THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY NEGATIVE COMMENT WAS THE TIMELINESS OF THE NOTIFIATION. BUT WE JUST STARTED THESE THINGS AND THIS WAS THE FIRST ONE. I THINK, YOU SHOULD LOOK FORWARD TO MEETING THE CONSTITUENTS IN AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS. THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB EXPLAINING.

THE ONLY CRITICISM, I SPOKE TO THE COUNTY MANAGER IS ACRONYM CITY.

WE TALKED ACRONYMS AND IT REMINDS ME OF THE NAVY DAYS. ACRONYMS FOR EVERYTHING.

THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ANY OF IT. YOU HAVE TO TALK IN ENGLISH TERMS INSTEAD OF ACRONYMS.

THAT WILL SERVE YOU WELL. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> MISSION OR BOLLA.

>> COLOMBO IS ONE OF MY HEROES. HE ALWAYS ASK, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.

I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE GUN RANGE, TO THE POINT WHERE I THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT REALLY NEEDS IT. I THINK IT IS A GREAT IDEA BUT I ALSO THINK THE PUBLIC NEEDS IT AS WELL. LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

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MY CONCEPT IS EVERYONE NEEDS TO PAY A LITTLE BIT. IT IS WRONG TO BALANCE THE WHOLE COUNTY ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS. I THINK WE NEED TO EXPAND SOME OF THE AREAS THAT ARE LEGITIMATE. I'M NOT UP PERSON THAT LIKES TO RAISE TAXES.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, WE ARE ONE OUT OF 65 IN TERMS OF TAXES.

I THINK IN THE PAST FEW YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, CLAY COUNTY AS TIPPED TO THE POINT WHERE THE CITIZENS WANT MORE. AND THAT COSTS MORE. I THINK WE HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB MEAN THINGS UNDER CONTROL. I ALSO THINK IT IS NOW TIME TO THINK ABOUT THE NEXT TABS FOR THE COUNTY. MY COMMENT BEFORE WAS, WE PROBABLY HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE HERE, WHAT WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON IS MAKING CLAY COUNTY A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE WITH MORE AMENITIES AND GIVE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT AND I THINK WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK.

>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. >> NEXT THURSDAY WE WILL HAVE OUR NEXT TOWN HALL MEETING WE WILL BE AT THE PUBLIC LIBRARY. THEY WILL BE ROLLING OUT A SIMILAR PROGRAM THAT COMMISSIONER RENNINGER WENT TO. WITH THAT, THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS FROM THE CLERK I CONTROL OFFICE, THANKS I GET IN THERE. MAKE SURE THE BOSS GIVES YOU SOMETHING EXTRA. THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF WERE HANGING IN THERE.

THANK Y

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