Aug 12, 2021 BCC Workshop

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>>> GOOD AFTERNOON. BEFORE WE GET STARTED HERE TODAY, I'D LIKE TO WELCOME YOU ALL TO TODAY'S WORKSHOP.

WE'RE TRYING OUT SOME SPECIAL EFFECTS FOR TODAY.

[LAUGHTER] I THINK THEY WORKED QUITE WELL, DON'T YOU. THIS IS A WORKSHOP IN WHICH WE'LL BE REVIEWING THE CIP. AND ALSO TAKING A LOOK THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN, AMONG OTHER THINGS.

AND WE WILL NOT BE TAKING ANY VOTES.

AN INFORMATIONAL MEETING TODAY. AS I SAY, WELCOME TO OUR MEETING. WE'VE GOT MEETING POLICY THAT IS POSTED OUTSIDE. IT'S ALSO POSTED ON THE BACK OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

ALSO AVAILABLE FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

[LAUGHTER] I THINK I'M GOING TO APPLY TO NASA FOR THAT YEAR OF MARS THING THAT THEY HAVE -- THEY LIVE ABOARD. I THINK I'M ALREADY THERE.

SO IF YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK WITH US, PLEASE DO FILL OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD.

OTHERWISE I REMIND EVERYBODY TO EITHER SILENCE OR TURN YOUR CELL PHONES OFF. YOU DO NEED TO TURN IN A CARD AT SOME POINT AFTER YOU SPEAK. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. AND PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO SPEAK. AT THIS TIME LET'S STAND, IF WE CAN. WE WILL HAVE AN INVOCATION BY

COMMISSIONER RENNINGER. >> CAN WE BOW OUR HEADS, PLEASE.

DEAR LORD, AS WE BEGIN THIS DIFFICULT PROCESS OF LOOKING TO OUR FUTURE, GIVE THE COMMISSION THE WISDOM AND GUIDANCE TO MAKE PLANS, WHICH ARE FAIR AND IMPARTIAL, WHICH WILL BENEFIT THE PUBLIC FOR THE BETTER GOOD. PLEASE WATCH OVER OUR MILITARY AND OUR FIRST RESPONDERS SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS PANDEMIC WITHOUT IMPACT. AND BE WITH THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY SICK AND AFFLICTED AND GIVE THEM PEACE.

IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> PLEASE BE SEATED.

FIRST, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU KEEP SOCIALLY DISTANCED.

IF YOU HAVE A MASK, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO WEAR THAT.

AND WE DO HAVE AGENDAS OUT IN THE VESTIBULE.

IT'S SHORT AND SWEET IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH TODAY. VERY IMPORTANT TOPICS CERTAINLY.

SO AT THIS TIME I'LL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

[CALL TO ORDER]

OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER TRACY DRAKE IS HERE.

RICK DINGLE IS REPRESENTING THE CLERK HERE TODAY.

AND, OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT SHERIFF COOK AND HAS THE UNDERSHERIFF WITH HER AND A NUMBER OF HER STAFF HERE.

AND WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU BEING HERE TODAY TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH IN TERMS OF OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. AND AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AND ALTERNATE STREAMS OF FUNDING. SO LET'S GET STARTED, AS WE DO

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ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE CIP, THEN WE WILL GO TO OUR VARIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO ADD OR PROPOSE, WE'LL BE TALKING WITH THEM AT THAT TIME.

ALL RIGHT, TROY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

FIRST, BEFORE WE START. I WANT TO THANK OUR BUDGET TEAM FOR WORKING SO HARD TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

THE DEPARTMENT, THE CONSTITUTIONALS FOR PULLING THE DATA AND WITH ALL OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I KEEP HELP ME FINE TUNE THE DATA WE PUT IN THIS PRESENTATION.

CURRENT CIP WAS ADOPTED BY THE FORWARD ON JULY 27TH, 2021, AT THE B.C.C. MEETING. IT'S CURRENTLY BALANCED THROUGH FY'22 AND '23. WE PUT TOGETHER THE CIP THROUGH 2025 AND 2026. IT SHOWS A $37 MILLION DEFICIT STARTING THAT YEAR OFF. PROJECTS IN YELLOW, AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDES ARE THE NEW PROJECTS PROPOSED OR CHANGES

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SO THE FIRST SLIDE JUST SHOWS THAT REVENUE.

AND SHOWS WHERE THE CARRY-FORWARD IN THE '25-'26 YEAR, AS IT'S PROPOSED, WILL BE A DEFICIT OF $37 MILLION.

THE NEXT SLIDE IS OUR CIP COMP PLAN PROJECT.

THOSE ARE THE ABOVE THE LINE PROJECT OR PART OF YOUR EAR.

THE ONES IN BLUE ARE HIGHLIGHTED, BECAUSE THOSE ARE BONDING PROJECTS, SO THEY REALLY CAN'T BE CHANGED.

AS FAR AS THIS PLAN IS CONCERNED.

THE ONES IN ORANGE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE DEVELOPER-PROPOSED, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THE ROADS FOR MOBILITY CREDITS.

AND THE $2 MILLION THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW IS JUST A CHANGE, NOT REFLECTING THE $7 MILLION OF THE DEVELOPER FUNDING. SO THE $2 MILLION IS OUR OBLIGATION. I'LL STOP ON EACH SLIDE AND ASK

IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. >> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE WATCHING AT HOME OR EVEN HERE IN THE AUDIENCE, ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE $37 MILLION THAT IS PROPOSED, THAT'S BECAUSE WE TOOK EVERY PROJECT, WHETHER IT'S COMMISSIONERS, CONSTITUTIONALS, WHOEVER PROPOSED IT, COUNTY MANAGER, WE PUT IT ALL INTO THE CIP, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO FIT OR NOT. SO WE CAN EITHER TRIM THOSE PROPOSALS TO TAKE TO OUT THE $37 MILLION GETTING TO '25 AND '26 OR ADD ADDITIONAL REVENUES TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT.

>> CORRECT. SOME OF THE PROJECTS ARE STAGED IN FURTHER OUTER YEARS. WE PUT AS MUCH IN THE FIVE-YEAR BASED ON WHAT WE WERE REQUESTED TO PUT IN THE FIVE YEARS.

YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT. >> PART OF THE $37 MILLION ARE COSTS WE WOULD HAVE INCURRED ANYWAY.

ZERO IN YEARS FOUR AND FIVE LAST YEAR FOR PAVING.

I THINK IT WAS -- IT WAS PAVING OR --

>> YES, SIR. I WOULDN'T SAY THOSE ARE COSTS YOU WOULD HAVE INCURRED ANYWAY, BECAUSE THAT'S A BOARD VOTE OF WHETHER YOU CONTINUE TO FUND AT THAT SAME LEVEL.

YES, SIR. THOSE ARE REOCCURRING PROJECTS THAT THE BOARD HAS TRADITIONALLY FUNDED.

FOR EXAMPLE, ROAD RESURFACING AT $5 MILLION.

$10 MILLION OF THAT IS PUTTING THE TWO -- THE NEXT TWO YEARS OF ROAD RESURFACING IN THE PLAN. PART OF THAT IS PUTTING THE $500,000 THAT YOU DO FOR DIRT ROAD PAVING AND EXTENDING THOSE OUT. PART OF THAT SEG TENDING OUT THE TRANSPORTATION AND WHEN WE GET TO THE SLIDES, I'LL POINT THOSE

OUT. >> OKAY.

>> I GUESS MY POINT IS IT'S ALL -- NOT ALL THE $37 MILLION IS

NEW PROJECTS. >> THAT IS CORRECT, SIR.

>> SO TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING IS THE NEXT SECTION.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. THE EQUIPMENT TRANSPORTATION LINE ITEM CARRYING THE $1 MILLION EACH YEAR IN THE FUTURE FOR REPLACEMENT OF YOUR GRATERS, DUMP TRUCKS, PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES. THAT WAS NOT PROGRAMMED IN.

BUT TRADITIONALLY WE PAY FOR THAT OUT OF CIP.

SO WE PROGRAMMED IN A STRAIGHT $1 MILLION PER YEAR.

THE SAME THING WITH YOUR BRIDGE IMPROVEMENTS.

WE PROGRAMMED IN THE $500,000 A YEAR FOR BRIDGE IMPROVEMENTS.

THE COUNTY ROAD 220 IS ACCOUNTING FOR WHICH YEAR THE EXPENSES HAPPEN IN. WE ADDED RADAR ROAD AND CHESSWICK OAKS. IT'S NOT ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE $37 MILLION DEFICIT. AS WE GO THROUGH THE SLIDES, YOU'LL SEE THE ONES IN GREEN IN THE SECOND COLUMN WITH THE ONES ADDED AS NEW PROMS. JUST -- AS THE NEW PROJECTS.

JUST FOR THE AUDIENCE AND THE VIEWERS AT HOME.

ANY QUESTIONS ON TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING? NEXT IS OUR PARKS AND ENVIRONMENTAL.

YOU'LL SEE FIVE NEW PROJECTS ADDED.

TWO OF THOSE PROJEC PROJECT WILE IN '21 AND '26.

THREE OF THE PROJECTS IN OUTYEARS SIX THROUGH TEN.

THE RIDE-OUT POINT PRESERVE AS THE FINAL PROJECT ON THE LIST, WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE FUNDED OUT OF CIP, DUE TO US NOT OWNING THE PROPERTY. THAT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT STAFF AND LEGAL WERE HAVING TODAY. SO THAT'S A CHANGE THAT WE'RE

GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE. >> COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN.

>> IT'S NOT OWNED BY THE COUNTY. IT'S OWNED BY A NONPROFIT.

THE CIP REGULATIONS PREVENT YOU FROM USING CIP DOLLARS ON NONGOVERNMENTAL OWNED PROPERTY. I'LL DEFER TO COURTNEY IF

THERE'S ANYTHING. >> WHAT'S THE PROJECT?

>> THAT'S POINT OF THE RIDEOUT POINT PRESERVE.

THAT'S THE NEW PROPERTY THAT YOU HAD.

>> WE ENTERED INTO THE MAINTENANCE PLAN, WHERE WE PROVIDE DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE AND DO OBLIGATIONS OUT THERE.

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> >>> MA'AM, THESE DO NOT.

WHEN WE DEBT TO ARP, FUNDING, THAT COVERED UNDERRING THAT --

UNDER THAT FUNDING. >> WE WERE LOOKING AT DOING THREE PICKLE BALL LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

THEY ALL INVOLVE RESURFACING. IS THAT RIGHT, JEAN.

THEY WERE ALL RESURFACING, WEREN'T THEY?

>> WE GET TO ARP. >> WE CAN TALKED ABOUT THE PARK SEVERAL YEARS AGO. WE TOOK A TENNIS COURT AND RATHER RESURFACE AND KEEP IT TENNIS, WE RESURFACED AND MADE IT PICKLE BALL. AND WE'RE ABLE TO GET SEVERAL COURTS OUT OF FACILITY. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MONITOR THE USAGE OF TENNIS COURTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

IF WE SEE WE'RE DOWN TO A CERTAIN LEVEL, ALLOWING US TO CONVERT WE'LL HAVE MORE COURTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

WHAT I SAW YESTERDAY AND LOBBYING BY A GROUP OF PICKLE BALL PLAYERS. IT'S CERTAINLY THE HOTTEST SPORT AROUND. THANK YOU.

>> THE LINE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM IN PURPLE IS ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. THAT'S A RESTRICTED FUND.

THAT IS THE PLAN FOR EITHER MODIFYING OR PURCHASING NEW LAND FOR THE TRANSFER STATIONS, AS ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES WORKS THROUGH THE PLAN ON HOW TO HANDLE THE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY.

THIS IS KIND OF THE PHASE-IN PLAN OF DOING THE PROJECT, PURCHASING PROPERTY, IF NECESSARY.

DOING BUILDINGS. THESE ARE REALLY JUST PLACE HOLDER FUNDS AND KIND OF YEARS WHERE WE THINK THINGS ARE GOING

TO HAPPEN. >> AS WE MOVE CLOSER TO BIDDING THAT OUT AGAIN, TROY, AND MAYBE THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING CHARLIE CAN HELP WITH. IF WE DECIDED TO GO TO THOSE AUTO SIDE LOADERS AROUND CERTAIN PORTIONS OF WASTE PICK-UP, WE WOULD END UP BUYING THOSE, RIGHT?

>> POTENTIALLY. I MEAN, IF THAT'S THE COUNTY'S CHOICE TO BUY THEM VERSUS, YOU KNOW, GO THROUGH THE OTHER COMPANIES. I'M NOT VERSED ON THAT.

YES, THE MONEY IS ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

CHARLIE IS HERE. THE CAPITAL WILL COME FRAT COMPANY TO -- FROM THE COMPANY TO COVER THE TRUCKS.

>> WHAT ABOUT THE BASKETS? >> THAT'S EITHER SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUT IN THE BID CONTRACT OR SOMETHING WE COULD PAY FOR

OURSELVES. >> VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DID YOU HAVE?

NO. >> I DID HAVE A THOUGHT.

I WAITED UNTIL CHARLIE SAT DOWN. I FELT BAD ABOUT IT.

[LAUGHTER] I KNOW YOU SAW ME HESITATE.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT WHEN COMMISSIONER RENNINGER AND I WERE AT SACK, WE TALKED ABOUT THE COMPANIES THAT MADE THE AUTO SIDE LOADER CANS. THEY MENTIONED THAT IT IS CHEAPER TO PURCHASE THEM DIRECTLY FROM THEM, VERSUS

THRO--THE CONTRACT. >> THEY WERE RIGHT OUTSIDE

ORLANDO, RIGHT? >> I ACTUALLY THINK THEY MAY HAVE BEEN IN JACKSONVILLE. I DON'T KNOW WHY I THINK THAT.

>> I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. >> I HAVE THEIR BUSINESS CARD

SOMEWHERE. >> YEAH.

OKAY. >> IT'S RECYCLED MATERIAL.

THAT'S GOOD, TOO. >> THEY SAID THEY MAKE THE CANS OUT OF PLASTICS THAT NORMALLY CAN'T BE RECYCLED.

SO THIS PARTICULAR COMPANY. >> VERY GOOD.

ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

TROY. >> THE NEXT SLIDE IS PUBLIC SAFETY. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A LOT OF YELLOW ON THIS SLIDE. WE'VE UPDATED THE VEHICLE PURCHASES FOR FIRE-RESCUE AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT THROUGH THE FIVE YEARS. LOOKING AT A TRUE VEHICLE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. WE DID NOT -- THE OTHER SLIDE WE HAVE THE NUMBER FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR YEARS SIX THROUGH TEN THAT THEY PROVIDED US.

AND WE'LL ADD THAT IN IN THE FUTURE SLIDES.

THE FIRE STATIONS ARE SPREAD OUT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AND YEARS SIX THROUGH TEN. YOU SEE THE OTHER FACILITIES THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE PAST, INCLUDING A NEW PUBLIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, THAT WOULD HOUSE BOTH FIRE-RESCUE AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IN YEAR FIVE AND THEN

THE OUTYEARS SIX THROUGH TEN. >> GO AHEAD.

>> >> WE HAVE A POLICY WITH E.M.S.

AND THE SHERIFF. ARE WE BREACHING THAT POLICY WITH THESE ADDITIONS? I MEAN, ARE WE AUGMENTING THAT POLICY? ARE WE EMBELLISHING THAT POLICY? ARE WE SPENDING MORE THAN WE NEED TO?

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>> I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE POLICY.

>> REPLACE VEHICLES EVERY SO OFTEN.

>> I WILL DEFER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND TO FIRE-RESCUE TO ANSWER WHAT THE REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE IS.

>> I MEAN, THESE ARE ALL CHANGES WHAT IS I UNDERSTAND YELLOW TO

BE. >> I THINK CHANGES BECAUSE WE'RE SELLING OFF -- OR MOVING SOME VEHICLES OUT AND BUYING NEW

VEHICLES. >> I'M THE CHIEF OF SERVICES, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FLEET.

WE REPLACE OUR CARS AT 100,000 MILES GENERALLY.

WE ALSO MONITOR THE MAINTENANCE ON THE VEHICLE.

IF THE VEHICLE BECOMES MORE OF A BURDEN THAN IT'S WORTH, SOMETIMES BEFORE THE 100,000 FOR CARS.

TRUCKS WE TEND TO GET TO 125,000 TO 150,000.

IT'S ALL BASED ON THE WAY THE CAR IS RUNNING AT THE TIME.

WE GENERALLY REPLACE 40 TO 50 PER YEAR, WHICH HAS BEEN QUITE DIFFICULT LATELY WITH THE SLOWDOWN DURING COVID.

BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VEHICLES.

>> IS THAT BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THE

VEHICLES? >>> WELL, YES, MA'AM.

THEY CLOSED DOWN MOST OF THE FACTORIES.

IN FACT, WE HAVE VEHICLES THAT WE'VE ORDERED SINCE LAST NOVEMBER THAT STILL HAVEN'T ARRIVED.

PARTICULARLY DODGE VEHICLES. WE DON'T BELIEVE EAR GOING TO GET THEM THIS YEAR. WE HAVE THE V.I.N. NUMBERS.

DODGE IS MAKING THEM. WE'RE NOT GETTING THEM.

>> OKAY. >> HAVE YOU SEEN THE PICTURES OF SOME OF THE CARS THAT ARE -- BEEN MANUFACTURED, BUT CAN'T GO ANYWHERE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO COMPUTER CHIPS.

THEY MIGHT BE STUCK IN THAT MESS.

>> YES, SIR. THE CHEVROLETS WE STARTED RECEIVING. THEY WERE IN THAT SITUATION.

CHEVROLETS WE RECEIVED. FORDS HAVE BEEN A LITTLE BETTER THIS YEAR. BUT DODGES ARE NOT DOING SO

WELL. >> VERY GOOD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> OURS IS FACTORED IN THERE.

IT'S NOT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. IT'S NOT LISTED, PARTICULARLY

FOR JUST THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. >> I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW IF VICKI WANTS TO ADDRESS THAT.

IF THAT NUMBER INCLUDES PROPOSED NEW VEHICLES, ALONG WITH THE INCREASES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT?

>> SO IT INCLUDES THE ROTATION THAT CHIEF DANGERFIELD MENTIONED. WE NEED TO BRING ON NEW DEPUTIES AND NEW VEHICLES. BECAUSE OUR FLEET IS VERY UTILIZED TO THE MAXIMUM. SO IT DOES INCLUDE THAT AS WE'VE SPOKEN WITH ALL OF YOU EACH YEAR ADDING ADDITIONAL DEPUTIES TO IMPROVE OUR COVERAGE AND REDUCE THE RESPONSE TIMES.

>> THAT ANSWER MAKES SENSE. >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF.

>> DID YOU WANT US TO ADDRESS THE FIRE SIDE? JUNCTION, THESE NUMBERS HAVE CHANGED.

OKAY. WHAT CHANGED? TRUCKS COST MORE. WE'RE ORDERING NEW TRUCKS THAT WE WANT TO REPLACE IN THE OUTYEARS.

WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE THEM NOW? WHY?

I'LL DEFER TO THE CHIEF. >> YOU CAN GO TO THE DESK.

SO FOR US THE REASON WHY THEY VARY OVER TYPE, YOU'LL SEE LADDER TRUCKS COST EXPONENTIALLY MORE AND AMBULANCES COST LESS.

WE HAVE A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE. WE ARE NOT OUTSIDE OF OUR REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE, IF ANYTHING WERE BEHIND ON SOME OF THAT. AND WE SHARE THE SAME EXACT PROBLEMS THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS SAYING AS FAR AS

GETTING THOSE VEHICLES IN. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. >> YEAH.

I THINK THE REASON SOME OF THOSE ARE YELLOW IS BECAUSE, AS WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS AND REQUESTS ARE BEING MADE, THEY'RE BEING ADDED AND SO I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS PRIOR TO THIS YEAR IN TERMS OF THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN, IN TERMS OF ADDING VEHICLES.

SOME OF THAT REFLECTED IN THAT. >> AND I WILL ALSO -- I WILL SAY THAT OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE OF THE DELAY IN VEHICLES, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT MONEY THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, $1.4 MILLION FOR BOTH, SOME OF THAT MONEY WILL BE SHIFTING INTO '21-'22 IF WE DON'T GET THE VEHICLES IN BEFORE SEPTEMBER 30TH. YOU'LL SEE THE NUMBERS CONTINUALLY CHANGE UNTIL THE VEHICLES ARRIVE.

>> BUT SOME OF THEM WE HAD TO PREPAY, CORRECT? ESPECIALLY WITH THE FIRE-RESCUE, WE HAD TO PREPAY TO GET

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YEAR BUT WON'T RECEIVE. >> YES, MA'AM.

>> IT'S GOING TO BE A COMBINATION.

>> CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD.

>> I KNOW WE'RE WANTING ADDITIONAL DEPUTIES, ADDITIONAL FIRE-RESCUE. HAS THAT ALL BEEN ACCOUNTED IN

HERE THEN? >> THE SHERIFF CONSCIOUS YES.

>> IT'S MORE THAN WHAT YOU NORMALLY ASK FOR.

YES. >> SO THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHER PROJECTS. THIS IS WHERE YOU SEE THE $5 MILLION FOR ROAD RESURFACING. YOU SEE THE INFRASTRUCTURE STUDIES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEING ADDED IN HERE TO DO THE COUNTYWIDE STUDY FOR BOTH INFRASTRUCTURE AND STORMWATER, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT AGAIN UNDER ARP.

AND THEN THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT HAVE NIL TERRED THROUGH, THE REQUEST TO MOVE THE ANIMAL SERVICES BUILDING UP A YEAR.

AND THEN THE COUNTY MUNICIPAL FACILITY IN YEAR FIVE AND SIX THROUGH TEN, IF THE COUNTY CHOOSES TO BUILD THAT BUILDING THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT OVER IN THE OAK LEAF AREA AS AN ANNEX.

>> THE ADMIN ANNEX CENTER. THEY'RE WILLING TO EXPAND TO

THAT CENTER? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD SINCE THAT'S -- IT'S FIVE YEARS OUT. YEAH, I THINK YOU'LL HAVE CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGES POTENTIALLY BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, DIFFERENT ELECTIONS. I DON'T KNOW HONESTLY WHAT

CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN HAD. >> WELL, I HOPE WE'VE HAD SOME.

I MEAN, IT'S IN THE CIP. >> I THINK I CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THAT, PRIOR TO SOMEONE LEAVING, I WAS IN THE ACTING POSITION AND THAT WAS PRE-PLANNED AND BOOKED.

SO THOSE DISCUSSIONS WERE IN PLACE AND PART OF WHAT IS ESSENTIALLY A TEN-YEAR LOOK OUT THAT THEY HAD DONE ON CIP.

SO I THINK IT'S BEEN IN PREPARATION FOR A WHILE.

>> ALSO, CHIEF, THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF HAS ALWAYS BEEN QUITE A WAYS DOWN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF THE BUDGET.

AND IT STILL IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

I DON'T THINK -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT ACQUIRING THAT LAND FOR THAT BUILDING.

>> YES, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.

OR BEEN GIVEN THAT LAND. >> AT THAT POINT IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ON CIP, A SEGUE INTO YOUR CONSTITUTIONALS.

>> OKAY. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO WHAT TROY HAS GONE THROUGH? ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND -- WE DO HAVE ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALS HERE.

TRACY, DID YOU WANT TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY? AND WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE

MINUTES. >> THANKS, COMMISSIONER.

TRACY CLAY. OUR OFFICE HAS TEN VEHICLES.

AND WE USE THAT FOR PROPERTY INSPECTIONS AND DAMAGE ASSESSMENTS. WE BEGAN REPLACING THOSE VEHICLES, TWO VEHICLES PER YEAR IN 2018 AND ENDED THAT IN -- SORRY, 2014 AND ENDED IN 2018. SO I ANTICIPATE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BEGIN -- THE BEGINNING OF REPLACING THOSE VEHICLES IN THE 2024-2025 BUDGET YEAR, TWO VEHICLES PER YEAR.

THE PAS BUDGETED $50,000 FOR TWO VEHICLES.

>> YOU GOT THAT, TROY. > WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT BEFORE THE WORKSHOP STARTED.

I THOUGHT WELL THIS IS THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO COUNT IT IN.

I APPRECIATE THAT, TRACY. >> THANKS.

>> VERY GOOD. SHERIFF, I'M GOING TO HOLD YOU UNTIL LAST SINCE I KNOW YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW ITEMS. TAX COLLECTOR HAVE ANYTHING? NO.

OKAY. SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, COME ON DOWN. CHRIS CHAMBLISS JOINING US.

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>> KIND OF A SIDE RELATED ISSUE TODAY.

THE CENSUS-RELATED RELEASED THEIR INITIAL POPULATION NUMBERS. THE STATE OF FLORIDA HAS GONE UP 14.6%, 3.7 MILLION PEOPLE. WHILE THE STATE -- WHILE THE UNITED STATES AS A WHOLE WENT UP 7.2%.

WITH REGARDS TO VEHICLES FOR OUR OFFICE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 2.5.

THE .51 A 20-YEAR-OLD JEEP THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE CONTINUALLY WORK ON TO FIX. BUT WE ONLY DRIVE IT AROUND LOCALLY. I DO WANT TO ESPECIALLY RECOGNIZE THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.

EVERY ELECTION SEASON WE BORROW THREE TO FOUR VEHICLES FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER TO GO OUT NIGHTLY TO EACH ONE OF THE EARLY VOTING SITES, ALONG WITH OUR OTHER VEHICLES.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK HIM FOR THAT.

WITH REGARDS TO OUR FACILITY, WE ENTERED INTO A NEW CONTRACT WITH OUR PROPERTY OWNER LAST YEAR. AND WE ENVISION THAT THE FACILITY, IN ITS CURRENT STATE, WILL KEEP US FOR THE NEXT FIVE TO TEN YEARS, AT WHICH TIME WE'LL HAVE TO ADD TO THAT FACILITY, EITHER BY GOING UP OR EXPANDING OUT ON THAT SAME PIECE OF PROPERTY. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, WHILE 98% OF THOSE VOTING AGE POPULATION IN CLAY COUNTY ARE REGISTERED TO VOTE, WE'RE CURRENTLY GROWING AT ABOUT 40,000 TO 50,000 VOTERS IN THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS, IF THE POPULATION CONTINUES THE WAY THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW. SO THAT'S JUST KIND OF A SHORT LITTLE OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ELECTIONS OFFICE.

>> VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS? OF COURSE, YOU SAID YOU JUST RENEWED YOUR LEASE?

>> WE RENEWED IT LAST -- IN '19, YES.

FOR TEN YEARS I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE COUNTY RENEWS IT.

IT'S NOT OUR LEASE. IT'S THE COUNTY'S LEASE THAT

THEY RENEW. >> YOU SAID YOU MAY HAVE TO GO

UP OR OUT? >> OR OUT WITHIN THE NEXT TEN YEARS. THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THERE'S NOT A SECOND STORY ON THAT BUILDING?

>> CORRECT. NOT TODAY.

>> NOT TODAY. IT'S GOING TO BE THE TOUGH PART.

THAT'S THE UP PART. >> THAT'S THE UP PART.

AND IS THERE -- IS THERE A SPACE AVAILABLE TO GO OUTSIDE YOUR

CURRENT FOOTPRINT? >> THERE IS SPACE ON THAT CURRENT PROPERTY TO WHERE IF WEE ABLE TO DO SO.

>> SO SOMEHOW THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY WOULD HAVE TO EXPAND

THE PROPERTY, CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

>> PROBABLY WORTHWHILE REFLECTING IN THOSE OUTER YEARS

OF SIX TO TEN YEARS. >> THAT'S THE KIND OF THING WE

NEED TO KNOW. >> VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, CHRIS. RICK, I KNOW YOU'VE GOT SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

WE'RE PASSING THAT. SO I GUESS THE SHERIFF.

I GUESS WE'VE COME TO YOU. HE'S GETTING SOME LAST-MINUTE PREP. YOU WANT TO COME UP?

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. MICHELLE COOK, CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF. WHAT I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY IS OUR JAIL CAPACITY ISSUE.

WHEN I ENTERED INTO A THIS OFFICE, RIGHT AT A YEAR AGO, WE WERE AT 80% CAPACITY. SINCE FEBRUARY, WE HAVE BEEN AT OR ABOVE CAPACITY EVERY SINGLE DAY.

WE ARE USING EVERY -- AND EXPLORING EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE TO RELIEVE OUR CAPACITY ISSUES.

BUT THERE IS NO SINGLE PANACEA ANSWER TO FIXING IT OR STOPPING THE CAPACITY AT THIS POINT. WE NEED AN EXPANSION, A JAIL EXPANSION. WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS ACTIVELY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.

AND EXPLORING THE OPPORTUNITIES AND OPTIONS THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND AFTER MUCH DISCUSSION WITH EXPERTS, WITH OUR STAFF, WITH THE COUNTY, WE BELIEVE IT'S FINANCIALLY AND MOST FEASIBLE TO EXPAND IN OUR CURRENT FOOTPRINT, EITHER GOING UP OR OUT.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF WAYS THIS COULD BE CONFIGURED.

BUT THE REALITY IS ON ANY GIVEN DAY RIGHT NOW, WE'RE 20 TO 50 PEOPLE OVER CAPACITY. AND IT'S NOT EASING UP.

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WE TALK ABOUT THIS DAILY WITH OUR STAFF.

AND IT'S JUST THE REALITY OF THE GROWTH OF THE COUNTY.

>> WHAT WAS THE NUMBER ABOVE CAPACITY?

>> I THINK WE'RE AT 27 TODAY. >> BETWEEN 20 AND 50.

>> BETWEEN 20 AND 50 DAILY OVER CAPACITY.

JUST, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE YOU A POINT OF REFERENCE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT IS SHIPPING SOME OF OUR INMATES OFF TO FACILITIES IN THE AREA.

THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE FACILITIES, EITHER THEMSELVES ARE AT CAPACITY, OR THEY DON'T HAVE THE LEGALLY REQUIRED STAFFING LEVELS TO HOUSE OUR INMATES.

PUTNAM COUNTY HAS AGREED TO TAKE 25 OF OUR INMATES.

BUT THE COST IS $45,000 PER MONTH, JUST FOR 25 PEOPLE.

AND THEY ARE BY FAR THE CHEAPEST IN THE REGION.

THE OTHER COUNTIES SURROUNDING HERE ARE ABOUT DOUBLE THAT PRICE

FOR 25 INMATES PER MONTH. >> OKAY.

>> SHERIFF, IS THIS THE -- JUST FOR MY KNOWLEDGE AND THE PUBLIC'S KNOWLEDGE, IS THIS THE JAIL IMPROVEMENTS CONVERSION AT $4.5 MILLION? OR THE $30 MILLION EXPANSION?

>> THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE $30 MILLION EXPANSION. SO WHEN WE -- WHEN I WAS FIRST MADE AWARE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT OUR DETENTION CENTER WAS HAVING AND ALL OF YOU AGAIN I APPRECIATE YOU COMING OVER AND WALKING THROUGH AND SEEING IT FOR YOURSELF.

WE TOOK OUR CARES ACT MONEY AND INVESTED IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR DETENTION FACILITY BECAUSE IT WAS SO OLD.

SO WE HAVE BASICALLY PREPPED THAT BUILDING, THE EXISTING PORTION OF IT FOR LONG-TERM. BUT EVEN, YOU KNOW, SPENDING THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE, REINVESTING IN THE PIPES AND THE PLUMS AND THE ELECT -- PLUMBING AND THE ELECTRICAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE,

WE NEED TO EXPAND. >> SO I KNOW I DID TAKE THE TOUR, YOU HAD A PLAN IN REGARDS TO WHERE YOU WOULD MOVE INTO WHAT IS NOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE MORE OF THE SECURE AREA FOR THE JAIL. ARE WE OFF THAT NOW?

IS THIS -- >> NO.

THAT'S STILL PART OF THE PLAN, BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. IT WOULD ONLY INCREASE IT -- IT WOULD INCREASE IT SOME BUT NOT FOR THE -- AT THE RATE OF GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IF WE EXPANDED IT, IT WOULD FULFILL OUR NEEDS TODAY BUT NOT THIS TIME NEXT YEAR AT THIS CURRENT RATE.

>> SO WHAT DO YOU EXPECT AT THE CURRENT RATE FOR AN INMATE POPULATION NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME THEN? IS THAT GOING TO BE THE STANDARD 50 OVER, PLUS THAT?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I DON'T KNOW. >> I'M CURIOUS.

>> WE'VE NEVER HAD TO POLICE IN A PANDEMIC.

WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT COVID WOULD SLOW OUR INMATE INTAKE DOWN. AND IT HASN'T.

THIS IS ALL NEW FOR ALL OF US POLICING IN A PANDEMIC, WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. BUT WE ARE STEADILY NOW 30 TO 50 OVER PER DAY EVERY DAY. AND IT'S JUST INCHING UP.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK AT THIS CURRENT RATE -- IN FEBRUARY WE WERE AT CAPACITY, SIX MONTHS LATER WE'RE 50 OVER.

A YEAR FROM NOW WE'RE GOING TO BE 150 OVER IF YOU EXTRAPOLATE

THAT MATH. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, AN EDUCATED GUESS ON THAT. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TAKEN OUR MULTI-PURPOSE ROOMS AND ROOMS THAT WE NORMALLY DO PROGRAMMING IN, AND TURNED THEM INTO TEMPORARY DORMS, WITH OUR INMATES SLEEPING EITHER ON RACKS OR ON THE FLOOR ON MATS, TO HOUSE THE CURRENT POPULATION. AND, YOU KNOW, THE CHALLENGE FOR US IS THAT WITH THIS CAPACITY ISSUE, OUR ABILITIES TO PUT IN PLACE THE PROPER SAFETY MEASURES FOR COVID ARE -- IT'S TOUGH.

BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ROOM NOW TO QUARANTINE PEOPLE, LIKE

WE WOULD HAVE HAD A YEAR AGO. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> GO AHEAD. ARE WE DOING THIS EVERY MONTH?

IS THAT HAPPENING ALREADY? >> PUTNAM.

>> NOT YET. IT'S SO EXPENSIVE.

AND, YOU KNOW, BEFORE WE STARTED PAYING TO HOUSE INMATES SOMEWHERE ELSE, WE HAVE -- LIKE I SAID WE TALK DAILY ABOUT WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO. WE'RE IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH THE JUDGE, WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY.

WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN DO INTERNALLY TO MAKE

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CAN WITHIN OUR SCOPE. >> SO WE'RE MAKING IT WORK RIGHT NOW. IF YOU'RE OVER CAPACITY, THEN THEY CAN'T BE THERE. YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU HANDLE

THAT? >> DELICATELY.

THE PROGRAMMING THAT WE NORMALLY OFFER, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO OFFER.

WE HAVE INMATES NOT IN DORMS OR IN CELLS.

THEY'RE IN JUST GENERAL PURPOSE EDUCATION ROOMS, SLEEPING ON THE

FLOOR. >> SO THERE COMES A POINT WHERE LIKE WE'RE PROBABLY NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THAT MANY THERE.

>> CORRECT. >> SO LEGALLY.

>> WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT NUMBER.

I THINK -- CHRIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

YOU'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LOT LONGER.

25 MORE INMATES AND WE'RE HAVING TO SHIP OFF.

THIS IS DIRECTOR CHRIS. HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR A WHILE

IN OUR DETENTION FACILITY. >> WE'VE BEEN IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATIONS AND FINDING OUT WHAT DAY ARE WE GOING TO MAKE THE MOVE. WE'RE OVER CAPACITY.

WE CANNOT SUSTAIN THIS, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER -- WHEN COVID STARTS RELIEVING THINGS, WE ARE OVER CAPACITY.

I MEAN, THERE'S -- I DON'T WANT ONE MORE INMATE COMING IN, BECAUSE OF THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.

SO WE HAVE TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT AND THEN WE HAVE TO FIND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY, THE $45,000 A MONTH TO HOUSE THEM. AND THEY TAKE 25, WHERE ARE WE TAKING THE NEXT 25. THEN THE NEXT 25.

IF WE'RE GOING WITH THE CHEAPEST ROUTE FIRST, WELL, OTHER COUNTIES CAN DO IT. THEY HAVE THE SPACE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING. NOW THEY HAVE TO INCREASE THEIR STAFFING. IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO HIRE SOMEBODY. IT WILL TAKE THEM SIX MONTHS TO HIRE SOMEBODY. BUT EVEN AS WE PUT THEM OUT FURTHER AND FURTHER, WE HAVE ADDITIONAL CHALLENGES OF TRANSPORT FOR COURT AND NICE LITTLE VANS.

NOW WE'LL HAVE TO BUY A BUS. IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND IT'S GOING TO COST US MORE AND MORE MONEY THE LONGER WE WAIT.

WE DID HAVE A FEASIBILITY STUDY DONE.

IT'S A PHASED APPROACH. WHAT I PRESENTED TO Y'ALL INDIVIDUALLY WAS AN IDEA. WITH WELL, WITH THE FEASIBILITY STUDY THEY SAID GREAT IDEA, WE HAVE SOMETHING TO GET YOU THERE QUICKLY AND COME CLOSE TO DOUBLING OUR CAPACITY.

THAT'S GOING WITH SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION AND GOING UP INTO THE CERTAIN AREA. BUT THEN THAT INVOLVES GREEN COVE AND THEIR AGREEMENT. WE'RE TWO AND A HALF YEARS DOWN

THE ROAD. >> THAT'S MY QUESTION.

>> EASILY TWO AND A HALF YEARS. I'M NOT IN CONSTRUCTION.

I HAD A HANDYMAN BUSINESS, BUT NOT CONSTRUCTION.

AND THIS IS COMMERCE. -- THIS IS COMMERCIAL.

SHOULD WE LOOK AT OTHER IDEAS? SO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.

WE HAVE TO MOVE ON SOMETHING, BECAUSE IT'S BECOMING VERY UNSAFE FOR STAFF AND INMATES WHEN WE GET TO THESE SITUATIONS.

IT'S CRITICAL. >> WE HAVE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITY OF GREEN COVE SPRINGS TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE HEIGHT AND LIMITATIONS WOULD BE, SO THAT WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON DOING SOMETHING,

WE'VE DONE SOME GROUND WORK. >> I WOULD -- SORRY.

>> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. >> I WOULD IMAGINE THIS PLAYS INTO LETTING INMATES GO FASTER THAN PROBABLY THEY SHOULD BE

GETTING OUT? >> I'M NOT GOING TO LET DANGEROUS INMATES OUT. THAT'S WHERE I DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND. WHAT I'VE CHALLENGED OUR FOLKS TO DO IS SMART LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVE DISCRETION ON THE GROUND WITH MISDEMEANORS, ISSUANCE OF CITATIONS OR ASKING THEM TO COME TO COURT AT A LATER DATE. AND WE'RE USING THAT VERY ROBUSTLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, AT SOME POINT I'M NOT LETTING FELONS OUT. WE'RE NOT LETTING PEOPLE WITH DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RECORDS OUT. AND EVEN WITH THOSE BENCHMARKS ALREADY IN PLACE, WE'RE STILL SEEING THE CAPACITY ISSUES.

>> YEAH. >> COMMISSIONER.

>> WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT COVID STATUS IN THE JAIL? I MEAN, HOW MANY CASES DO WE HAVE?

>> YES, SIR. WE HAVE A FEW.

WE HAVE RIGHT AROUND A DOZEN. IT'S VERY FLUID.

INMATES ARE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE VACCINE.

THAT NUMBER FLUCTUATES DAY-TO-DAY, DEPENDING ON WHO IS COMING IN, WHO IS GOING OUT. WHO IS GETTING TESTED.

EVERYTHING AT THIS POINT IS VOLUNTARY IN THERE.

WE'RE SITTING AT ABOUT A DOZEN TODAY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND OUR JAIL STAFF.

BECAUSE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WE END UP PAYING THE MEDICAL BILLS FOR SICK INMATES.

AND SO EVEN WITH OUR CAPACITY ISSUES AND ALL THE PRESSURES OF WHAT THESE GUYS HAVE HAD TO PUT UP WITH, THEY'VE BEEN MAKING SURE THE INMATES IN OUR CUSTODY AND CONTROL ARE CARED FOR.

AND OUR STAFF AS WELL. I MEAN, WE TAKE A LOT OF PRIDE

IN KEEPING OUR STAFF SAFE. >> YES.

>> SO WE HAD IN THE PROPOSED CIP FOR NEXT YEAR THE JAIL EXPANSION STUDY. BUT YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY DONE ONE. SO WAS THIS A SECOND ONE?

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>> NO, MA'AM. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS -- AND TROY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WE DID A PRE-STUDY STUDY.

>> OKAY. >> BECAUSE WE'RE ON SUCH A TIME CRUNCH HERE. AND INSTEAD OF WAITING WE SPENT $10,000 WITH A PROFESSIONAL COMPANY THAT HAS DONE THESE KIND OF EXPANSIONS BEFORE. WE SAID, OKAY, IF THIS IS OUR CURRENT FOOTPRINT, WHAT DO WE DO TO REALLY CAMPAIGN SOME LONG-TERM CAPACITY. AND THEY GAVE US A PROPOSAL THAT HAD THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS IN IT.

AND THEN AFTER TALKING TO THE CITY OF GREEN COVE, THEY GAVE US ANOTHER IDEA THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY WORK FOR THAT AREA.

SO WE HAVE NOT HAD AN OFFICIAL STUDY DONE.

THIS IS A PRE-STUDY WITH THE STRO LAORGANIZATION.

>> THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE $30 MILLION NUMBER FROM?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> THAT WAS THE INTENT, COMMISSIONER. THE INTENT WAS TO GET US A PRELIMINARY NUMBER SO WE COULD START WORKING TOWARD, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BUDGET LOOKS LIKE, SINCE WE'RE STILL TALKING A FIVE-YEAR PLAN, A TEN-YEAR PLAN. IF THE BOARD SO CHOOSES, WE CAN CONDUCT THE FULL STUDY AND CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH TO REFINE THAT NUMBER. IT AT LEAST GIVES YOU A STARTING

POINT. >> RIGHT NOW THE EXPANSION SITS

AT YEAR SIX THROUGH TEN. >> THE EXPANSION ACTUALLY IS NOT IN THIS PLAN AT ALL. THERE'S A NOTE AT THE BACK, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBER WHEN WE STARTED PUTTING TOGETHER THE TEN-YEAR PLAN, A NOTE AT THE BACK THAT SAYS IN ADDITION TO, YOU HAVE THE JAIL EXPANSION ON THAT -- I THINK IT'S THE THIRD TO LAST PAGE. WHICH WE'LL GET TO.

IT STAYS JAIL -- SAYS JAIL EXPANSION AT $30 MILLION.

UNLESS YOU CHOSE TO MOVE IT SOMEWHERE.

>> I THOUGHT I SAW IT. >> YEAH.

IT'S ON THE -- ITEMS TO CONSIDER.

>> YES. >> A COUPLE OF PAGES BEFORE THAT

I THINK IT'S ON THERE, TOO. >> WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE CAN'T

WAIT SIX TO TEN YEARS. >> ABSOLUTELY NOT.

>> SO WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. >> WELL, I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE PLAN SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING.

WE CAN'T DO THAT RIGHT THIS SECOND.

BUT CERTAINLY MOVING FORWARD. SO GIVE ME SOME IDEAS IN REGARDS TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. IT'S TO GO UP OR OUT OR BOTH.

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE?

DOES THAT HAVE TO MOVE? >> YES, SIR.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE FOR A COUPLE REASONS.

ONE, NO MATTER WHAT MODEL WE GO WITH ON THE BUILDING, THE NORTH SORT OF WEST CORNER IS THE AREA THAT WOULD HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION. SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FIRST AND THIRD FLOOR, WHERE WE SIT, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED TEMPORARILY. WE HAVE HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT WE COULD LEAVE OUR COMMUNICATIONS FOLKS, BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE CENTER, SORT OF ISOLATED FROM EVERYTHING ELSE.

WE COULD LEAVE THEM THERE AND THEN HAVE THEM COME IN FROM ANOTHER DOOR ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

AND WE'D STILL HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR THEM.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO -- WE WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE FOR THAT

CONSTRUCTION TO OCCUR. >> SO IT'S MORE THAN A $30 MILLION PLAN THAN ESSENTIALLY, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO PAY FOR WHEREVER WE MOVE YOU TO, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET

YOU THERE IN >> CORRECT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT -- AGAIN EVERY DAY WE'RE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS. AND WE'RE TALKING INTERNALLY, OKAY, IF WE HAD TO MOVE VICKI'S OFFICE, HOW MANY PEOPLE IS THAT.

WHERE COULD WE PUT THEM. WHAT KIND OF COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT WOULD THEY NEED TO STILL DO THEIR JOB.

IF WE HAD TO MOVE, YOU KNOW, OUR ACCREDITATION AND TRAINING CHIEF, YOU KNOW, WHERE WOULD SHE GO, HER STAFF GO.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE NEED TO BE PUT IN ONE GIANT BUILDING.

WE'RE TRYING TO PIECEMEAL OUT. AND I'M ACTIVELY TALKING TO BUSINESS OWNERS AND ASKING IF THEY HAVE ANY SPACE THAT WE COULD, YOU KNOW, CAMP OUT AT FOR A FEW YEARS.

>> SO THIS PARTICULAR PLAN IS GOING TO LEAVE YOU, AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE, BACK INTO THE -- INTO YOUR CURRENT

OFFICES? >> YES, SIR.

>> OKAY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING PEOPLE, PIECEMEAL AS NEEDED, BASED ON WHATEVER CONSTRUCTION NECESSITATES THAT PARTICULAR MOVE.

MY THINKING WOULD BE BETTER TO GO ALL AT ONCE, AT LEAST HAVE A FACILITY WHERE IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE ONE KEPT OR A COUPLE DEPARTMENTS AT THE TIME, MOVE THEM ALL TO THE SAME PLACE.

>> THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. BUT WE'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIND

A LOCATION -- >> IT'S GOT TO CHECK OFF A LOT

OF BOXES. >> IT'S GOT TO CHECK OFF A LOT OF BOXES. AND IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IDEALLY WE'D ALL LIKE TO GO TOGETHER.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S REALISTIC. THERE'S NOT SPACE BIG ENOUGH.

THE SPACES THAT ARE BIG ENOUGH ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE AND THEY

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AND WE JUST -- WE CAN'T COMMIT TO THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IN THE SHORT-TERM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BREAK UP OUR TEAM AND GO INTO DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND INTO BUILDINGS THAT WE CURRENTLY OCCUPY. BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE THAT BUILDING, PROBABLY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OUR ARMORY, WHERE WE CAN LEAVE WHERE IT'S AT AND OUR COMMUNICATION FOLKS. WE HAVE OUR PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE ROOM. PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE ALSO IN THAT BUILDING. COULD WE CONTINUE OPERATING PROPERTY AND EVIDENCE, EVEN UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

BECAUSE THE STAFF THAT WORKS OUT OF THERE IS VERY SMALL AND THEY COULD COME IN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND WE'D STILL

HAVE PARKING SPACES. >> THE COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, ISN'T IT GOING TO BE PART OF THE CONSOLIDATION?

>> YES, SIR. THAT'S PROBABLY TWO YEARS OUT BEFORE. THEY'RE MEETING REGULARLY.

A TEAM PUT TOGETHER THAT'S LOOKING AT PUTTING THE RFPOUT.

>> YES, SIR. I'M HEARING ABOUT TWO YEARS OUT, WHICH IS ANOTHER REASON NOT TO MOVE THEM, JUST TO MOVE THEM AGAIN. MOVING A COMMUNICATIONS CENTER

IS A BIG DEAL. >> NO QUESTION.

>> IN LOOKING AT WHERE THEY'RE SITUATED WITHIN THE CURRENT STRUCTURE, THEY CAN STAY THERE BE AND BE SAFE AND STILL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR JOB. YOU KNOW, PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION CHALLENGE, TOO, IS ALL OF THAT CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, CONSTRUCTION WORKERS, YOU KNOW, THEY -- THEY'RE GOING TO NEED PARKING AS WELL. AND SO, YOU WERE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHO WE LEAVE IN THAT BUILDING.

BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE PARKING SPACES FOR THEM.

AND AN ENTRYWAY FOR THEM. >> WE DO HAVE SOME MONEY TUCKED ASIDE FOR PARKING. WE MAY HAVE TO USE THAT BEFORE WE CAN GO ANYWHERE ELSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC?

>> YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY GOOD NEWS?

>> CRIME IS DOWN RIGHT NOW. >> GOOD.

>> YES, SIR. >> THAT'S WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR.

>> TODAY THEY'RE ALL SICK. >> NO, THEY'RE NOT.

THEY'RE IN THE JAIL. [LAUGHTER]

>> NOT THE ONES THAT ARE SICK. SHERIFF, WHAT ELSE DID YOU HAVE FOR US? THE ONLY THING YOU WANTED TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION OR SOMETHING ELSE TO HIGHLIGHT

WHILE YOU'RE HERE? >> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIG THING. I MEAN, WE'RE AT CRITICAL MASS IN THE JAIL. I MEAN, IT'S --

>> I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS -- IT'S CERTAINLY -- YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT SOME MONIES PLUGGED IN.

CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THAT FAST.

SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO REALLY LOOK AT WHERE THOSE DOLLARS ARE COMING IN FROM TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD.

BECAUSE EVEN IF, AS DIRECTOR GOLDIRON SAID, IF WE START TOMORROW, THINGS WON'T BE READY TO MOVE IN.

ESPECIALLY NOW WITH THE WAY CONSTRUCTION IS PLAYING GAMES WITH MATERIALS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THINGS.

YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO NEED TO PLAN WITH GUESSTIMATES.

THAT'S WHY I ASKED YOU ABOUT THE THOUGHT, A YEAR FROM NOW AND WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF AN EXPENDITURE TO

GET US THERE. >> RIGHT.

AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION, WHERE

WE'RE HOUSING THE REST OF US. >> WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER.

>> AND, YOU KNOW, I'M LEVERAGING BUSINESS PARTNERS AS MUCH AS I CAN. LEVERAGING COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE US SOME TEMPORARY SPACE TO HOUSE PORTIONS OF OUR TEAM UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE LONG-TERM LANDING SPOT FOR THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

>> WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THE INMATES IN THE TWO AND A HALF

YEARS TO BUILD? >> WE CAN LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT, WITH BOTH CONSTRUCTION PLANS.

WE HAVE A PLAN THAT GOES UP AND THEN WE HAVE A PLAN THAT GOES OUT, RIGHT. AND SO BECAUSE THE BUILDINGS WOULD BE SEPARATE AND ATTACHED WITH A DOOR.

WE CAN LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT.

THERE MAY BE DAYS WHERE THEY HAVE TO SLIDE THEM OVER FOR SOMETHING, IF IT GETS REALLY LOUD OR IF THEY'RE DOING SOME SORT OF INFRASTRUCTURE WORK. BUT WE CAN LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY'RE AT. THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WITH STROLO. CAN WE DO THE CONSTRUCTION WITH THE INMATES STILL IN THERE. YEAH, YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY BE

ABLE TO. >> THEN WE NEED TO BUDGET SEVERAL MILLION DOLLARS TO HOUSE INMATES IN OTHER COUNTIES, WHILE

WE'RE BUILDING? >> NO, MA'AM.

WELL, DEPENDS ON HOW FAR OVER CAPACITY WE GO.

SO AT THE CURRENT RATE OF OUR CAPACITY, YES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PAY TO HOUSE THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE, UNTIL SUCH TIME THAT OUR

EXPANSION IS COMPLETE. >> THAT'S WHAT I SAID.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUDGET THAT.

>> YEAH. CORRECT.

>> BEST GUESSTIMATES AS FAR AS WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE GOING TO

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WE CAN'T HAVE ANY MORE INMATES. SO THAT ALL HAS TO BE LOOKED AT, BECAUSE THAT WILL HAVE TO BE INCLUDED AS PART OF THE COST OF

CONSTRUCTION AND PROJECT. >> CORRECT.

AND WE CAN -- WE CAN GIVE YOU THE ESTIMATES PER FACILITY.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE FACILITIES IN THIS AREA ARE CHEAPER THAN OTHERS. BUT THEY MAY NOT HAVE CAPACITY THEMSELVES OR THEY MAY NOT HAVE THE STAFFING.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFFING TO SEND OUR PEOPLE OVER TO ANOTHER FACILITY. SO IT'S -- IT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE THAT WE COME IN EVERY DAY AND SORT OF MOVE THE

PIECES AROUND TO MAKE IT WORK. >> THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH PUTNAM AND WHATEVER OTHERS, LONG-TERM OR JUST BAND-AIDS?

>> THEY'RE BAND-AIDS. IF PUTNAM SEES THE SAME GROWTH AND THEY COULD SAY WE NEED YOU TO MOVE YOUR PEOPLE OUT AND

OBLIGATED TO OURS OUT. >> WE'D BE AT 4.6, 23 WE SENT 100 INMATES OUT. NOW THAT'S THE MOST EXPENSIVE RATE WE FOUND. BUT IT'S STILL -- IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE WORST-CASE SCENARIO, I HOPE SOMEONE ALLOWS US TO KEEP 25 PEOPLE THERE. THEY ALL HAVE CAPACITY ISSUES AS WELL. WE HAVE TO SPREAD THEM OUT, AS IT GOES ON. SPREAD OUT AND IT WILL KEEP US

MORE MONEY. >> ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND, ESPECIALLY IN A JAIL, MANY OF OUR INMATES ARE NOT SENTENCED, RIGHT. AND SO -- OR EVEN IF THEY'RE SENTENCED, THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF COURT DATE.

SO WE HAVE TO TRANSPORT THEM BACK AND FORTH.

IF THEY HAVE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL, WE HAVE TO GET THEM AND TRANSPORT THEM. IF THEY HAVE A MEETING WITH AN ATTORNEY, WE HAVE TO GO GET THEM.

IT'S NOT LIKE WE DROP THEM SOMEWHERE AND WE SEE THEM IN A YEAR. WE STILL HAVE DAILY CONTACT WITH

THEM. >> HAVE YOU HAD ANY OF THESE CONVERSATIONS WITH ANY OF OUR STATE LAWMAKERS?

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY.

>> WHAT WAS THEIR RESPONSE? >> YOU'RE IN A TOUGH PREDICAMENT, AREN'T YOU. ABSOLUTELY.

YES, I HAVE. I THINK THEY'RE SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. WE'RE SEEING EXPLOSIVE GROWTH.

WE'RE THE 25TH LARGEST COUNTY IN THE STATE NOW.

IT'S JUST GETTING BIGGER. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE WERE HOPING WITH COVID -- I KNEW WHEN I CAME IN A YEAR AGO, WE WERE AT 80% CAPACITY. AND WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT WITH COVID OUR NUMBERS WOULD GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

AND IT WOULD BUY US A COUPLE OF YEARS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.

BUT WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN OUR JAIL NEED TO BE IN OUR JAIL.

>> WE COULD HAVE THEM HAUL TRASH? IF YOU NEED HELP, WE NEED HELP WITH TRASH HAULERS.

JUST AN IDEA. >> WELL, WE ARE LOOKING -- YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT. WE'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION WITH JUDGE LESTER AND OUR STAFF AND THE COUNTY ABOUT CREATIVE RE-ENTRY PROGRAMS FOR INMATES WHO QUALIFY, WHO ARE NOT VIOLENT, WHO HAVE SHOWN A PROPENSITY TO WANT TO GET OUT AND SUCCEED IN LIFE, ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING ANKLE MONITORS ON THEM AND THEN LETTING THESE COMPANIES OR THE COUNTY HIRE THEM. BECAUSE ANIMAL CONTROL IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, WHERE WE COULD POTENTIALLY USE FOLKS.

IT WOULD RELIEVE SOME OF OUR CAPACITY ISSUES AND GIVE SOMEBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO START WORKING BEFORE THEIR SENTENCE ENDS. AND THEY WOULD BE UNDER -- YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD BE CHECKED ON US BY AT LEAST ONCE A DAY.

THEY WOULD HAVE AN ANKLE MONITOR ON.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM.

AND I THINK IF WE WALKED IN THERE TODAY AND SAID, OKAY, WHO WANTS TO DO THIS. WE MIGHT HAVE 10 TO 15 VOLUNTEER. WHICH NOT A LONG-TERM SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE EXPLORING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, BECAUSE IF WE CAN PEEL OFF TEN HERE, 25 THERE, FIVE YEAR. , ARE COULD BUY US MORE TIME.

BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HOUSE OUR INMATES SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PAY. AGAIN WE'RE NOT LETTING PEOPLE

OUT EARLY THAT NEED TO BE THERE. >> SO PLANS HAVE TO BE DRAWN UP.

I MEAN, NONE OF THAT HAS HAPPENED YET, RIGHT?

THAT TAKES SOME TIME BY ITSELF. >> AT THIS POINT WE HAVE SOME ARTISTS' RENDERINGS AND SOME BROAD PLANS, IDEAS WITH SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE, SHOWS US SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE CAN GAIN GOING UP OR GOING OUT. AGAIN IT WAS A $10,000 STUDY.

SO YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR TEMPERATURE I MEAN, OPENED UP A LOT OF EYES FOR US, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT.

THE PROFESSIONALS CAME IN AND SAID, NO, THINK ABOUT THIS.

WE'RE LIKE OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE ON A GOOD TRACK. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE REALLY HAVE TWO TRACKS. A LOT OF IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE CITY OF GREEN COVE ABOUT GOING UP OR GOING OUT.

WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT WHICH WOULD BE EASIER FOR THEM OR

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IDEALLY WE STAY IN OUR GENERAL FOOTPRINT, WITHOUT IMPEDING ON THE MAK MAKE IT -- THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE NEARBY.

WE WANT TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE

SHERIFF? >> I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION OR REQUEST. AND IF Y'ALL CAN -- I'M SORRY.

ONE LAST QUESTION OR REQUEST OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

I UNDERSTAND $30 MILLION DOESN'T EQUATE TO EVERYTHING ELSE YOU'VE ASKED FOR. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT.

BUT I THINK IT COULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE A PRIORITY LIST IN YOUR CAPITAL OF SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE -- AND OBVIOUSLY THE JAIL. BECAUSE WITHIN A FEW WEEKS, THE JAIL HAS GONE TO A HIGHER PRIORITY.

I MEAN, THE LAST -- WHEN WE HAD THE CIP WORKSHOP, IT WAS -- WE WERE GOING TO DO THE STUDY NEXT YEAR.

AND THEN IT WAS IN YEAR SIX THROUGH TEN.

SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF THERE COULD BE SOME SORT OF -- IF WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. AND I KNOW YOUR POSITION IS.

YOU NEED TO DO EVERYTHING. BUT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SO MANY

THINGS TO DO. >> SURE.

AND THE JAIL HAS BEEN A PRIORITY SINCE DAY ONE OF LAST YEAR.

IT BECAME -- WE DIDN'T WANT TO COME TO YOU, THE FIRST THING IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO AND HOW MUCH.

WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. WE REALLY WANTED TO BE DILIGENT IN OUR HOMEWORK TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH A NUMBER.

THE JAIL IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.

PERIOD. WE CAN'T GET AROUND THE JAIL.

>> THIS WOULD NOT NEGATE -- TELL ME IF THIS ASSUMPTION IS CORRECT. IT WOULD NOT NEGATE THE $4.5 MILLION FOR THE JAIL IMPROVEMENTS?

>> NO, MA'AM. THE JAIL IMPROVEMENTS IS THE BEGINNING OF BUILDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE THAT NEEDS TO BE ENHANCED. THE PLUMBING THAT'S FALLING APART, THE ELECTRONICS ARE THAT ARE FALLING APART.

THE JAIL IS AN OLD BUILDING. IT WAS BUILT IN --

>> BUILT IN 19 74. THERE WAS AN EXPANSION IN '87 AND A SECOND EXPANSION IN 2001. SO IT'S BEEN -- I CALL IT A

JILOPY. >> IT'S AS OLD AS ME.

ACTUALLY I'M A YEAR OLDER. >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE SHERIFF? NO?

>> I THINK WE'RE GOOD, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

WE APPRECIATE IT. I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE CONSTITUTIONALS. SO WE'LL GO BACK ON THE AGENDA.

[2.  Impact/Mobility Funds Review]

REVIEW. >> YES, SIR.

AT PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING WE BROUGHT UP THE USE OF THE IMPACT FEES. $4.4 MILLION YOU COLLECTED IN ONE ZONE, 7.2 IN ANOTHER ZONE. AND WE'RE JUST MAKING SURE THAT AS WE LEAVE OR GO THROUGH THESE CONVERSATIONS, BOTH MAKING SURE WHAT THE PRIORITIES OF THE BOARD ARE AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR OFFSETTING FUNDS OUT OF THE CIP. FOR EXAMPLE, CURRENTLY RADAR ROAD IS IN THE CIP. IF YOU SAY THAT THAT'S A PRIORITY, USING THE IMPACT FEE MONEY, THAT USES UP $3.3 MILLION

OUT OF THE CIP FUND. >> OKAY.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR TROY ON THAT? ALL RIGHT.

GO AHEAD, TROY. >> NEXT SLIDE IS THE MOBILE FEE DISTRICTS. AND AGAIN LOOKING FOR DIRECTION.

TWO OF THE MOBILITY FEE DISTRICTS DO HAVE MONEY THAT'S BEEN COLLECTED AROUND THAT $1 MILLION MARK.

BUT I THINK STAFF WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE DIRECTION ON THE OTHER DISTRICTS. SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PLUG INTO THAT THE BUDGET AND SAY, OKAY, WHEN WE GET TO THIS POINT, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH FOR DESIGN WORK.

THIS IS THE PROJECT IN DISTRICT 2 THAT WE'RE GOING TO START WORKING TOWARDS. THIS IS THE PROJECT IN DISTRICT 1 VERSUS NOT KNOWING WHAT THE PRIORITIES OF THE BOARD ARE.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WHICH SLOWS DOWN SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE PROJECTS. ONE THING TO NOTE THERE'S TWO NOTES DOWN THERE. MOBILITY FEES CAN BE USED FOR BIKE AND TRAIL PROJECTS. THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION.

AN ADDITIONAL ALTERNATE PROJECT, THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED, WOULD BE TO USE THE MONEY TO START -- I THINK IT'S DISTRICT SOME IS THE OAK LEAF DISTRICT. YOU CAN USE THAT TO START THE CHESSWICK OAKS DESIGN. THAT'S IN YEAR SIX TO TEN.

I KNOW THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY FOR SOME MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MOBILITY?

>> I NEED TO GO BACK TO IMPACT FEES.

FOR WHOEVER IS WATCHING, WHAT THAT MONEY WOULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR, IF WE DON'T USE ON RADAR ROAD?

>> WE'RE PROPOSING THOSE THREE PROJECTS.

I DON'T KNOW IF SHARISSE OR SOMEBODY FROM HER TEAM WANTS TO

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AND ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT PROJECTS YOU WANT.

THE PRIORITY OF THE BOARD. >> THE IMPACT FEES HAVE TO BE USED IN THE DISTRICTS IN WHICH THEY WERE EARNED AND INCREASE CAPACITY OF A ROADWAY. OKAY.

>> AND SO THAT'S MOSTLY YOUR ANSWER? IT'S GOT TO BE A ROAD TO INCREASE THE CAPACITY ON.

>> SO WE HAVE A CHOICE OFFING COULD RADAR ROAD.

THERE WASN'T ALREADY SOMETHING PROPOSED FOR THE MONEY, IT'S

JUST SITTING THERE. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH.

AND THEN A COUPLE OF MONTHING AGO I ASKED THE CLERKS A OFFICE -- CLERK'S OFFICE, SINCE THE IMPACT FEE SWITCHED TO THE MOBILITY FEE. SO THAT'S WHAT -- THIS IS A REPORT BASICALLY THEY CAME BACK WITH IN TERMS OF THE TOTAL DOLLARS. AND, YOU KNOW, SO IF ANYBODY HAS A SUGGESTION, CERTAINLY NOW IS THE TIME.

BECAUSE WE'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE WHEELS IN PLACE AND ACTUALLY IMPROVE A ROAD SOME PLACE TO MOVE CAPACITY.

>> AGAIN JUST TO REITERATE. IF WE USE THAT, YOU TAKE IT OUT

OF CIP. >> THE CIP FREES UP $3.5 MILLION

TO BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. >> YES.

>> CIP IS -- LESS RESTRICTIVE, BUT RESTRICTIVE IN DIFFERENT

WAYS. >> WELL, THE OTHER THING IS WITH THE IMPACT FEE, DIDN'T WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY ROADS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE HIGH PRIORITY IN TERMS OF INCREASING CAPACITY.

THOSE ARE THE ROADS THAT HAVE TO BE THE ONES WE CHOOSE FROM, RIGHT, AS PART OF THAT IMPACT FEE PLAN.

>> YES, SIR. >> WAS THAT IMPACT FEE, MOBILITY

FEE OR BOTH? >> IMPACT FEE.

>> MOBILITY FEE IS THESE. BUT I THINK WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC ROADS THAT ARE TARGETED IN MOBILITY FEE, RIGHT.

>> WE DID. >> YEAH.

MOBILITY IS SPECIFIC. AND SO IN YOUR MOBILITY FEE, THEY'RE ALREADY IDENTIFIED. YOU CAN ONLY USE THOSE.

>> IF THEY'RE NOT ON THE MAP OR IN THE PLAN, THEY CAN'T EVEN BE ON THAT NEXT SLIDE THAT TROY HAS.

>> SO THE MOBILITY FEES ARE TECHNICALLY STRICTER THAN IMPACT FEES, YOU HAVE A DEFINED LIST THAT YOU HAVE TO PICK FROM.

>> CORRECT. >> WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE, WE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LISTED IN THE CIP.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE THE BEFORE AXLEYTO LANDING, WE WOULD AMEND IT TO ABOVE THE LINE CIP.

THEN I COULD USE THE IMPACT F FEES.

BACK TO RADAR ROAD, HAD WE MADE AN ASK FOR THE LEGISLATURE?

>> IT WAS A PRIORITY IN THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

A GRANT -- WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE GRANT

AT THIS TIME, DUE TO -- >> ACTUALLY TWO GRANTS THAT WE WERE TURNED COUNSEL. ONE WAS THE U.S. FEDERAL GRANT, BECAUSE IT DID NOT EXCEED THE $5 MILLION MARK THAT THE GRANT ASKED FOR. AND BECAUSE WE HAD TO MATCH IT FOR 20%, WHETHER THEY PUT THE 20% IN, IT DOCKED US DOWN BELOW

THE $20 MILLION. >> RIGHT.

>> THE OTHER -- WITH THE STATE WE APPLIED FOR -- SINCE MY FIRST YEAR. SO THIS IS YEAR FOUR, FIVE THAT WE APPLIED FOR A GRANT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES.

AND HAVE NOT GOTTEN THE GRANT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON

MOBILITY. >> GO AHEAD.

CAN YOU GO TO THE MOBILITY FEE SLIDE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A SHARISSE OR A COURTNEY QUESTION.

SO ON DISTRICT 7, WE CAN DO IMPROVEMENTS.

I KNOW IT'S ONLY $15,000. BUT WE CAN DO IMPROVEMENTS TO A STATE ROAD? >

>> OKAY. >> AS LONG AS IT'S ON THE LIST.

I FORGET WHICH ONES ARE IDENTIFIED.

>> THAT'S THE ONLY ROAD IN THE CONTRADICT THAT'S ON THAT LIST.

>> SO 21 IS IS NOT? INTERESTING.

>> WE CAN REVISE THE LIST. >> OKAY.

OKAY. >> RIGHT NOW THAT'S --

>> MAYBE THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND THAT WAS WE KNEW THE STATE WAS ALREADY PLANNING WITH '21?

>> I DON'T KNOW. WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT. AND IT CAN BE REVISED.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO FOR $15,000 ANYWAY.

>> IT CAN BE DONE. >> WELL, I THINK AS TROY INDICATED, IF WE HAVE A TARGET AND THEN THE MONIES CONTINUE TO

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>> THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE THREE, FOUR MISSES F -- COMMISSIONERS FROM NOW. [LAUGHTER] AND WE APPRECIATE THAT THOSE ARE LOW.

>> BACK TO THE IMPACT FEES. RADAR ROAD IS A REAL PROBLEM.

WE JUST AUTHORIZED 170 APARTMENTS RIGHT THERE AT 17 AND RADAR ROAD. THERE'S -- THE PROPOSAL IS ONLY A RIGHT TURN OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE NEED TO REALLY IMPROVE THAT LINE OF COMMUNICATION FOR THOSE RESIDENTS. AND TO GET OVER TO THE PARKWAY AND THERE'S NO -- I MEAN, THERE'S A COW PATH OVER IN THE PARKWAY. AND IT'S ONLY OPEN CERTAIN HOURS OF THE DAY. THERE'S A GATE THAT LIMITS DRIVABILITY OVER TO -- WHAT'S IT CALLED?

>> TOWN CENTER PARKWAY RADAR ROAD IS A HIGH PRIORITY THING.

>> THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT IT WOULD PAST MUSTER WITH THE STATE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME CAPACITY OFF OF 17 AND GIVING THOSE FOLKS A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET ON -- IN AND OUT OF TOWN CENTER. AND OFF OF 17.

>> BUT THEY DIDN'T BUY IT? >> DID NOT LIKE WHAT WE WERE OFFERING. [LAUGHTER] I GUESS. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON EITHER IMPACT FEES OR MOBILITY DISTRICTS? I THINK THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO GET US TO LIST FROM BOTH CATEGORIES.

SO THAT -- ESPECIALLY THE NEWER MEMBERS CAN SEE WHAT'S ON THOSE.

>> YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> NOT TAKING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW FROM THE AUDIENCE.

YES, TROY. >> OTHER FUNDS.

>> THE OTHER FUNDS ARE FUNDS THAT ARE BASICALLY LEGACY, APF FUNDS. STAFF WILL BRING BACK -- WE'RE STILL RESEARCHING. WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS THAT FOR LIKE 218, A PRIME EXAMPLE. PART OF THE MONEY USED FOR 218.

WE'RE OUT THERE DOING THE BONDING PROJECT ON 218.

WE MAY USE IMPACT FEE MONEY ON 218.

WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE MOBILITY FUND.

A PLAN KIND OF SAYS, HEY, LOOK, WE HAVE THE FOUR FUNDING STREAMS. WE'LL USE ALL FOUR FUNDING STREAMS TO GET 218 ACCOMPLISHED. THAT'S WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO WITH THESE FUNDS, AS WE EVALUATE WHAT THEY CAN BE USED FOR.

>> CAN YOU RUN THOSE FUNDS DOWN AND TELL US WHERE THEY CAME FROM. I MEAN --

>> THESE RIGHT HERE. >> A SCRATCH-OFF, WHAT HAVE YOU?

>> IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, SHARISSE CAN HELP ME OUT WITH THIS.

THE TWO AT THE TOP, WERE PROPORTIONATE FAIR SHARE.

THE NEXT TWO WERE ADEQUATE PUBLIC FACILITIES, BRANDON FIELD AREAS THE LAST ONE IN THE SIDEWALK FUND, BUILDING SIDEWALKS WHEN DEVELOPERS -- I GET THE THUMBS UP.

I GUESS I'M DOING A GOOD JOB. [LAUGHTER]

>> SO JUST SIDEWALK HAVE TO BE NEW SIDEWALKS OR CAN IT BE

REPAIRS AND SIDEWALKS? >> I'M GOING TO DEFER THAT.

>> I THINK IT HAS TO BE A NEW SIDEWALK, DOESN'T IT?

>> YEAH. >> IT HAS TO BE A NEW SIDEWALK.

THAT MONEY -- WOULD THAT INCLUDE THE $30,000 THAT THE DEVELOPER ON RADAR ROAD PROMISED US FOR SIDEWALKS? [INAUDIBLE] I THOUGHT HE HAD $30,000.

$30,000. YEAH.

ABOVE. OKAY.

WHAT ARE THE RESTRICTIONS ON THOSE DOLLARS?

>> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE RESEARCHING.

>> RIGHT. WE'RE TRYING TO NAIL THAT DOWN.

BECAUSE THE CIP, THE NORTHEAST AND THE WEST WE THINK ARE SPECIFIC ROADS. WE'RE TRYING TO NAIL THAT DOWN.

>> AND THE APF MOST LIKELY USED IN LAKE ASBURY AND BRANDONFIELD.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THOSE OTHER FUNDS?

[3.  American Rescue Plan]

POTENTIAL PROJECTS. >> THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN AS THE MISSION IS AWARE, THE COUNTY HAS A DIRECT ALLOCATION OF $42.5 MILLION FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN.

I'M NOT GOING TO READ THIS LENGTHY SLIDE.

IT'S FROM THE TREASURY. THAT BASICALLY OUTLINES WHAT YOU

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ESSENTIAL WORKER PAY AND INVEST IN WATER, SEWER, BROADBAND INFRASTRUCTURE. THOSE ARE YOUR FIVE CATEGORIES OF FUNDING. SO STAFF WORKING WITH COMMISSION DEPARTMENTS CAME UP WITH A LIST OF POTENTIAL PROJECTS.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS.

THE ONES THAT ARE IN YELLOW THAT ARE ONES THAT CAN BE FULLY MOVED OT OF YOUR CIP OR PARTIALLY MOVED OUT, THEREBY, REDUCING YOUR CURRENT CIP FUNDING DEFICIT.

THERE'S 17. $3 MILLI3 MILLION -- THERE'S $17.3 MILLION IN THE PROJECTS. PUTTING MONEY ASIDE FOR STORMWATER PROJECTS. THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT RENOVATION CURRENTLY WE HAVE $3 MILLION IN CIP.

THE BIDS HAVE COME IN RIGHT AROUND THAT $4 MILLION MARK.

SO TO DO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WE'RE EITHER GOING TO NEED THE $1 MILLION FROM CIP ADDITIONALLY OR MOVE THAT PROJECT OVER TO AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN. IT WAS BIDDED WITH THE -- THE RFPWAS WRITTEN WITH THE LANGUAGE.

I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE ITEMS.

>> WE'RE GOING TO -- ARE WE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SPACE THAT IS NOT ACCOUNTED FOR AT THIS TIME IN THOSE BUILDINGS? EVEN ABOVE AND BEYOND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND REAL-TIME CRIME

CENTER? >> THE PLANS FOR THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BASICALLY FULLY TAKE THE TWO BUILDINGS.

I'LL DEFER TO GENE. AND THEN THE CALM CENTER WILL HAVE THE REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER THERE.

A LITTLE BIT OF BLOOD PRESSURE SPACE LEFT IN THE BUILDING.

THAT'S REALLY LOOKING AT OUR FIVE TO TEN YEAR GROWTH.

>> MR. NAGLE SAID EVERYTHING. THERE'S PLAN FOR SPACES IN THERE. AND WHAT THE BUILDING 500, CO-LOCATED COMMUNICATIONS CENTER.

THERE'S GOING TO BE A COUPLE OFFICES.

BUT IT'S FOR THE PLAN CREW. FULLY COMMITTED TO THOSE

ENTITIES GOING INTO THERE, SIR. >> WHAT ENTITIES ARE GOING IN

THERE? >> WE HAVE SAFETY, REAL-TIME

CRIME CENTER. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> WHO ELSE? THERE'S ONE MORE.

WHO IS THE OTHER ONE I'M FORGETTING, CHIEF?

>> I GUESS WHAT WE'RE SAYING, BY THE TIME YOU PUT THE COMP CENTER WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S PLANNED AND THE REAL-TIME CENTER, THERE ARE OFFICES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. BUT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THOSE OFFICES TO BE AVAILABLE TO BE REMOVED FOR GROWTH.

SO TO ANSWER THE DIRECT QUESTION, WILL THERE BE OFFICES THERE, POTENTIALLY FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS, YES.

BUT WE ALSO WANT TO PLAN THE FACT THAT IF WE NEED TO EXPAND THE COMP CENTER OR THE REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER, THOSE OFFICES

WOULD HAVE TO GO AWAY. >> THE SHERIFF IS LOOKING FOR OFFICE SPACE. MAYBE IF YOU LOOKED AT IT ALREADY. GOOD.

>> WE'VE LOOKED AT USING THAT SPACE BEFORE WE STARTED CONSTRUCTION ON THE REAL-TIME CRIME CENTER.

THEY COULD POSSIBLY USE SOME OF THAT SPACE, ESPECIALLY ONCE WE MOVE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES TEAM, WHICH IS UP THERE NOW.

ONCE THEY MOVE OUT TO THE SPACE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LEASING

FOR THEM. >> I KNOW WE HAD WHATEVER NUMBER

OF SQUARE FOOTAGE AVAILABLE. >> WE DO STILL HAVE TENANTS IN

THERE, RIGHT, GENE? >> YES, SIR.

>> I THOUGHT THAT TENANTS WERE ALL MOVING OUT?

>> WELL, SOME OF THEM HAVE EXTENDED LEASES.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, THE ONES THAT ARE IN -- NOT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUILDING, BUT THE OTHER ONE.

THEY WERE ABLE TO WORK AROUND THE LEASE GOING FOR ANOTHER

COUPLE OF YEARS. >> YEAH.

>> THEY WERE ALWAYS GOING TO BE THERE.

>> I ONLY REMEMBER ONE. >> BELTFORD.

>> YOU'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT THE TENANT IN THE CURRENT HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUILDING. THEY'LL BE MOVING OUT NEXT DECEMBER. BUT THEY'RE ALREADY MAKING SPACE FOR THEM AT THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK.

>> WE HAVE A LEASE WITH THEM UNTIL THE END OF DECEMBER.

>> WELL, BE UP TO US IF THEY WANT TO GET OUT OF THE LEASE TO MOVE, WE CAN EITHER LET THEM OUT OF THE LEASE.

WE'RE LANDLORDS. >> THEY'RE STILL PAYING THEIR

RENT. >> CORRECT.

>> OH, YEAH. THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE

CHAMBER, RIGHT? >> THAT'S THE ONE I WAS TALKING

ABOUT. >> I HEARD THEY'RE MOVING INTO THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK BUILDING.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S CONSUMMATED YET.

IT COULD BE DISCUSSED. >> I HEARD THAT THIS WEEK.

>> THEY'VE LOOKED AT IT. AND THEY HAVEN'T NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT, AS FAR AS I HEARD. BUT THAT COULD BE A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. EVERY DAY IS A DIFFERENT DAY.

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>> TROY. >> YOU MENTIONED THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BEING 100% QUALIFIED AT ARP.

>> YES, SIR. IT'S A RENOVATION OF --

>> WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER YELLOW ONES?

>> THE OTHER YELLOW ONES ARE ALL QUALIFIED, SIR.

FOR EXAMPLE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY YOU COULDN'T TAKE ALL OF THE MONEY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY VEHICLES.

YOU CAN ONLY TAKE THE PORTION FOR RESCUES.

>> OKAY. >> IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT A RESCUE -- YOU HAD INCREASED COSTS AND INCREASED BURDEN FOR TRANSPORTING COVID PATIENTS. YOU DON'T TRANSPORT WITH FIRE TRUCKS. SO YOU'D BE IN A VERY GREY AREA THERE. AND THEN THE LAST SLIDE, IF YOU LOOK VERY BOTTOM, $4 MILLION THAT SAYS UNRESTRICTED REDUCTION IN REVENUE. THAT IS BASICALLY BECAUSE YOU REDUCED -- YOU'VE HAD A REDUCTION IN REVENUE BASED ON THEIR FORMULA. THAT'S $4 MILLION THAT YOU CAN USE FOR A CAPITAL PROJECT. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CAPITAL PROJECT IT IS. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR COVID. BECAUSE IT'S LOSS OF REVENUE.

>> AND THAT WAS BASED ON THAT SPECIFIC CALCULATION BY

TREASURY, CORRECT? >> RIGHT.

>> WE DO THE FORMULA TO SHOW OUR REVENUE.

AND IT'S NOT REALLY TRULY THAT WE SHOW LOST REVENUE, IS THAT RIGHT? FROM WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, IT WAS NOT ACTUALLY LOST REVENUE. YOU DID THEIR CALCULATION BASED

ON PAST YEARS' REVENUE? >> YOU DO CALCULATION ON A LINEAR FORMULA THAT SAYS IF THE REVENUES GREW AT X PERCENTAGE AT YEAR BEFORE. WE CAN DO THAT CALCULATION EVERY YEAR, IF THE BOARD SO DESIRED TO HOLD SOME OF THIS MONEY BACK.

YOU CAN DO THAT CALCULATION EVERY YEAR AND RECALCULATE AND SAY, OH, NOW WE'VE SHOWN ANOTHER LOSS OF $2 MILLION OR WHATEVER.

>> OKAY. YES, MA'AM.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT PAGE IS I THINK JUST A ONE PAGE, RIGHT. ALL OF THE PROPOSED CIP

PROJECTS. >> YES, SIR.

BASICALLY THE COLUMNS, THE THREE COLUMNS ON THE LEFT ARE ALL OF YOUR NEWLY ADDED PROJECTS. AND THEN THE COLUMNS ON THE RIGHT REPRESENT THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THOSE PROJECTS, SUCH AS THE ROAD RESURFACING THAT THE COMMISSIONER SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER. BASICALLY THE REOCCURRING PROJECTS THAT STILL ADDED TO YOUR DEFICIT.

SO ON HERE, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT A, YOU KNOW, $37 MILLION DEFICIT AT THE BEGINNING. IF YOU MOVE APPROXIMATELY $17.3 MILLION OF THAT TO ARP-ELIGIBLE PROJECTS, YOU STILL HAVE A DEFICIT OF APPROXIMATELY $20 MILLION.

AND THAT MEANS YOU WOULD HAVE TO PICK PROJECTS OFF OF THIS LIST TO EITHER STOP DOING OR TO MOVE INTO OUTER YEARS OR FIND OTHER REVENUE STREAMS TO PAY FOR THEM. AND THEN AS THE SHERIFF POINTED OUT, I ADDED THE LINE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM WHERE IT SAYS NOT SHOWN ON THE CIP LIST, YOU SAW JAIL EXPANSION.

IT'S THE $30 MILLION THAT WE PLUGGED IN, SINCE IT WASN'T PART OF THE CIP REQUEST ORIGINALLY. BUT WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS ON YOUR LIST FOR TODAY'S CONSIDERATION.

>> SO IT'S REALLY A $50 MILLION DEFICIT?

>> IF YOU WERE TRYING TO DO THAT IN THE FIRST FIVE YEARS.

HONESTLY, MA'AM, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ENTIRE SIX TO TEN YEARS, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, JUST IN THESE PROK -- PROJECTS, YES, YOU HAVE REVENUES COMING IN TO OFFSET THAT.

YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF BIG PROJECTS THAT ARE ON CIP IN YEARS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND A LOT OF SIX THROUGH TEN.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TROY ON THAT SHEET? ALL RIGHT.

[4.  Alternate funding streams]

WELL, LET'S JUMP AHEAD TO -- >> THAT SEGUES INTO ALTERNATE REVENUE STREAMS. WE WERE ASKED TO LOOK AT ALTERNATE REVENUE STREAMS THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE USED.

THESE ARE THE ONES THAT DEBBY, MYSELF, COUNTY MANAGER LOOKED THROUGH ALL THE DIFFERENT PLACES THAT WE COULD FIND FOR ALTERNATE REVENUE, THAT IS ALLOWED UNDER STATE STATUTE.

AND THSE ARE THE ONES. L.P. GAS, PUBLIC SERVICE GAS HAS THREE COMPONENTS. THE ELECTRIC COMPONENT, THE WATER COMPONENT. CURRENTLY TAX L.P. GAS AND ELECTRIC AT 4%. YOU COULD INCREASE THOSE TO 10%, IF YOU INCREASED TO 10%, L.P. GAS WOULD GENERATE ABOUT $275,000 ANNUALLY, ELECTRIC WOULD GENERATE $5 MILLION ANNUALLY. AND IF YOU DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT A WATER SERVICE, SERVICE TAX ON WATER, Y YOU WOULD GENERATE $1.7 MILLION ANNUALLY. SEVERAL OTHER COUNTIES IN, SHARISSE'S TEAM HAS DONE IT. SHE SENT OUT TO YOU -- MAYBE HAVEN'T SEEN IT YET. YOU CAN GENERATE BASED ON THE ST. JOHN'S COUNTY MODEL, LOOKING AT ABOUT $5 MILLION TO $6 MILLION PER YEAR. THEY'VE IMPLEMENTED PARKS, LAW ENFORCEMENT, SHERIFF, FIRE AND BUILDINGS.

BUILDINGS BEING GOVERNMENT FACILITIES.

IF YOU GO ABOUT 80% OF WHAT THEY'RE COLLECTING, YOU COULD COLLECT $5 MILLION TO $6 MILLION.

THE PAPER THAT SHARISSE'S TEAM PUT TOGETHER SHOWS VARIOUS OTHER

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SO YOU DO -- THERE IS A WIDE RANGE OF THOSE.

WE WERE ASKED ABOUT LOCAL COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX.

WE'RE AT OUR MAXIMUM ON THAT. LOCAL BUSINESS LICENSE.

BOTH GREEN COVE AND ORANGE PARK HAVE BUSINESS LICENSES CURRENTLY. YOU COULD IMPLEMENT A BUSINESS LICENSE, AGAIN USING ST. JOHN'S COUNTY AS THE COMPARISON.

THEY GENERATE $400,000. THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE'D HAVE TO TALK TO THE TAX COLLECTOR.

USUALLY THAT'S DONE THROUGH THE TAX COLLECTOR'S OFFICE, AT LEAST IN THE COMPANION COUNTIES. CHARTER COUNTY SURTAX.

YOU CAN ADD A SURTAX TO YOUR SALES TAX.

I DO POINT OUT THAT NONE OF THOSE HAVE PASSED.

IT REQUIRES A VOTER R.F.P. -- REFERENDUM.

AND THEN YOU COULD REVISIT THE STORMWATER FEE FOR STORM WATTENNER. WE -- FEE FOR STORMWATER.YOU WOA STUDY. THAT'S A LOT OF ALTERNATE REVENUE STREAMS AND I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR TROY? >> I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES. I'M SORRY.

I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES.

IS THERE ANY LEEWAY -- OR MAYBE THIS IS A COURTNEY QUESTION.

ANY LEEWAY TO GRANDFATHER ANYONE? SO IMPACT FEES DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACT DISTRICT 4 MORE THAN ANY PLACE ELSE.

THERE ARE LARGE LAND OWNERS THAT, YOU KNOW, WILL SELL OR DEED A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO A FAMILY MEMBER, TO THEN BUILD A HOME ON. SO THEY'RE NOT BU BUYING FROM A DEVELOPER. THEY'RE HAVING TO WRITE A CHECK BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN START CONSTRUCTION.

AND AS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN A SOURCE OF CONTENTION IN THE PAST. IS THERE ANY WAY THAT IF WE IMPLEMENTED THOSE TO DIRECTLY AFFECT ALL OF THE NEW PEOPLE MOVING TO CLAY COUNTY? SO THE INTENTION WOULD BE HAVE THE NEW PEOPLE PAY FOR THE SERVICES THAT ARE NEEDED TO BE PROVIDED. IS THERE ANY WAY TO GRANDFATHER PREVIOUSLY LAND OWNERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

>> IT WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON THE STUDY.

ALSO IT WOULD BE IF ANY KIND OF SUBSIDY OR WAIVER THAT YOU AS THE BOARD, THE COUNTY HAS TO SUPPLEMENT IT FROM THE GENERAL FUND. FOR INSTANCE, IN THE MOBILITY FEE, YOU PROVIDED CERTAIN SANDR- SUBSIDIES.

YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THAT MONEY TO FUND IT.

>> OKAY. >> SO WE DID THAT WITH THE IMPACT FEE AND THEN THE MOBILITY FEE IN TERMS OF COMMERCIAL, SO SOFTEN THE BLOW ON THE COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS.

BECAUSE IT WAS QUITE EXPENSIVE AND IT WAS DETRIMENT TO TRY TO ATTRACT. HERE WE ARE EDCAND HIT THEM.

WE HAD TO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, SO THE IMPACT FEE MONIES WERE STILL PAID.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE SAME KIND OF THING.

SO THAT WOULD BE ONLY ALLOWED TO BE IMPLEMENTED AFTER WE DID ANOTHER STUDY, SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT THESE FEES, RIGHT?

>> YEAH. LOOKING AT THE BUSINESS TAX, IS THAT THE NET? WHAT'S THE COST OF IMPLEMENTING

THAT PROGRAM? >> I'M NOT SURE OF THE COST TO IMPLEMENT. THAT WAS THE NET REVENUE THAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY LISTED IN THE BUDGET.

>> AT WHAT COUNTY? >> ST. JOHN'S.

>> THAT'S A LICENSED, RIGHT? >> TECHNICALLY IF YOU GO BY THE DEFINITION OF STATUTE, IT'S CALLED A LOCAL BUSINESS TAX.

IT'S A LICENSE. YOU'RE GETTING A BUSINESS

LICENSE. >> IT KIND OF AUTHORIZES IN ORANGE PARK, IT AUTHORIZES ORGANIZATIONS TO CONDUCT BUSINESS IN ORANGE PARK. QUITE HONESTLY WE HAVE NO BUSINESSES WHAT ARE IN CLAY COUNTY.

GOOD, BAD, UGLY. AS A PUBLIC SERVICE THAT'S A REAL SHORTFALL IN ORGANIZATIONS -- IN OUR ORGANIZATION THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHO COMES INTO OUR COUNTY AND CONDUCTS BUSINESS FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THAT'S A REAL SHORT COMING IN THIS COUNTY. I'M LOOKING AT THAT SERIOUSLY.

>> WELL, BE INTERESTING TO NOTE -- AND I THINK THE CHAMBER OR EDCJ.J. HARRIS CAN TALK ABOUT HOW MANY BUSINESSES ARE IN CLAY COUNTY AND ESTABLISH SOME KIND OF A NUMBER AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD BE, YOU'LL UP UP -- YOU'LL COME UP WITH THE TOTAL REVENUES.

MY THINKING IS LESS THAN WHAT ST. JOHN'S COUNTY RAISES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE LESS BUSINESSES.

>> SOME OF THEM DO A FLAT FEE PER BUSINESS TYPE.

OTHERS DO IT ON A SLIDING, YOU KNOW, SCALE.

SO I THINK YOU HAVE SOME OPTIONS.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST PUT IT OUT THERE AS A POTENTIAL REVENUE

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>> WELL, DO YOU WANT TO GO? TO THE LAST ITEMS TO CONSIDER AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT.

>> THERE YOU GO. THESE ARE THE ITEMS AS WE SAID AT THE BEGINNING. WE CAN'T REALLY TAKE A VOTE.

FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE, IF WE CAN GET SOME CONSENSUS ON DIRECTION TO BRING BACK. AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN STAFF SEES FOUR ITEMS AS BEING KIND OF MISSION CRITICAL.

THAT IS STORMWATER STUDY, IF WE'RE GOING TO DO A STORMWATER STUDY AND YOU HAVE THE CONTOURS, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT DURING JANUARY, FEBRUARY TIMEFRAME. THAT'S WHEN YOU GET THE BEST DATA. WE WANT TO DO IT NOW.

OF COURSE, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON ARE WE GOING TO FUND IT OUT OF ARP OR NOT. BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE BID BACK TO DO THAT. BROADBAND.

I KNOW SCHOOL STARTING BACK, THAT'S BEEN A HOT-BUTTON ISSUE.

IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BROADBAND, WE NEED TO START DOING THAT NOW. OF COURSE, THE $4.5 MILLION THAT WE SET ASIDE FOR THE JAIL CONVENTIONER OR JAIL WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL THAT FIRST PHASE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE SHERIFF, THAT WE START MOVING THAT DIRECTION, IF THAT'S YOUR SO DESIRE.

THOSE ARE THE FOUR ITEMS THAT WE AS STAFF WANT TO BRING BACK AS THE START OF AN ARP PLAN. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO STOP THERE OR GO THROUGH THE OTHER THREE BULLETS?

>> YEAH. GO THROUGH THE OTHER THREE.

>> SO THE OTHER THREE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED DIRECTION IN ORDER TO BALANCE OUT THE CIP FOR THE NEXT -- FOR THE FIVE YEARS, WHICH WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO.

WHICH PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MOVE OUT OF THAT CIP.

BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO MOVE SOME STUFF FROM YEARS ONE THROUGH FIVE INTO SIX THROUGH TEN, IN ORDER TO BE IN COMPLIANCE AND BE BALANCED. THE CIP ROAD IMPACT FEE ROAD PROJECTS KIND OF TIES INTO THAT. IF WE MOVE PROJECTS TO 218, RADAR ROAD INTO OTHER FUNDING STREAMS, OF COURSE, THAT REDUCES YOUR DEFICIT. AND THEN DIRECTION ON ALTERNATE REVENUES, WHICH ONES YOU WOULD LIKE STAFF TO PURSUE, DOING MORE HOMEWORK ON. AND BRINGING BACK A PROPOSAL TO THE BOARD. SO THOSE ARE MY FOUR ACTION ITEMS THAT AT LEAST I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON.

CHIEF, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THAT?

>>> NO. I DON'T THINK SO.

WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR GUIDANCE TO BRING BACK TO YOU AT A FUTURE

MEETING. >> WELL, I THINK SOMEWHAT COMPLICATING THE BROADBAND ISSUE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL THAT WE JUST PASSED BY CONGRESS. BECAUSE THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL MONIES IN THERE AS WELL. SO TROY ANDALKED ABOUT BROADBAND AND HOW WE'RE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT.

AND MAYBE YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO EVERYBODY HOW -- BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S CERTAINLY ONE OF OUR PRIORITIES THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN TERMS OF TRYING TO GET THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY

TAKEN CARE OF. >> SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE

-- >> SOUTHWESTERN AS WELL.

>> MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO MAYBE NOT FUND THE FULL $2 MILLION, BUT PUT MONEY IN TO START A PILOT, THAT WILL AT LEAST ALLOW THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO WORK ON A PROCUREMENT, YOU KNOW, HEY, PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE AND SAY WHAT'S PEOPLE'S IDEAS ON HOW TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN.

AND THEN IF WE GET A PILOT STARTED, WE GET STARTED ON THE PROJECT. WE CAN THEN LOOK AT THE ARP THE WAY TO FUND THE REST OF IT. IS IT THE BROADBAND.

IS IT INFRASTRUCTURE, IS IT SOME OTHER BILL THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT YET. BUT AT LEAST STARTING DOWN A PATH. CURRENTLY STAFF AND KAREN IS IN THE ROOM. YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T REALLY START A PROCESS OF GOING OUT FOR PROCUREMENT OR EVEN ASKING FOR PEOPLE'S IDEA, BECAUSE IT'S A NON-FUNDED PROJECT.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, AT LEAST PUT SOME MONEY TOWARD IT, SO WE CAN AT LEAST START THE PROCUREMENT CYCLE.

>> TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHICH WHICH WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED? I MEAN, ANY NUMBER OF WAYS.

>> RIGHT. >> YEAH.

I THINK ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, TOO, IS THAT WHILE WE KNOW THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN IS COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

AND THEY CERTAINLY HAVE THINGS AS PART OF IT, AN ADVANTAGE FOR THE COUNTY I BELIEVE WOULD BE TO HAVE AS MANY -- THE ACRONYM IS SHOVEL-READY OR PROJECTS RESEARCHED AND READY TO GO.

I THINK THAT'S THE BETTER ULTIMATE GOAL.

AS THOSE PROJECTS THEN HIT WITH A FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN AND THOSE DOLLARS BECOME AVAILABLE, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE MORE QUICKLY AND PROBABLY TO PIVOT TOWARDS SOME OF THAT, AS WE KNOW WITH THAT FUNDING STREAM BECOMES.

>> YEAH. I THINK THAT REGARDING BROADBAND, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN -- WELL, I WAS ELECTED A YEAR AGO. AND EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT FOR THE PAST YEAR. BUT THERE ARE STILL NO SOLUTIONS

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IT'S A PAVED ROAD, YOU KNOW THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING RIGHT THERE. THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO INTERNET. LIKE NOTHING.

THEY CAN'T GET SATELLITE. THEY CAN'T GET ANYTHING.

IT'S SILVER SAND CIRCLE. THERE ARE PROBABLY MORE LIKE THAT. I THINK THE INITIAL SHOULD BE LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET SOMETHING TO THESE CITIZENS.

AND THEN WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE AS I HEARD ON THE NEWS, THEY'RE NOT EVEN SURE THAT THE HOUSE IS GOING TO PASS THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE.

THERE'S MORE ARGUING TO GO ON IN WASHINGTON.

THERE'S PEOPLE WHO STARTED A NEW SCHOOL YEAR OR ARE STARTING A NEW SCHOOL YEAR WITH OUR COLLEGE STUDENTS, THAT CAN'T GET INTERNET AT THEIR HOMES, THAT ALSO ARE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SCHOOL CHILDREN OR ONLINE, WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING THAT, THEN PEOPLE WHO NEED TO WORK FROM HOME.

WITH THE RESURGENCE OF COVID, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR AREA BEING A HOT SPOT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT THE

DIRECTOR WARD -- >> YES.

>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAUGHT HIS COMMENT FROM TUESDAY.

BUT A THIRD OF THE CASES IN CLAY COUNTY ARE IN THE 32608 ZIP CODE. 32608 LACKS A LOT OF INTERNET ACCESS AT ALL. SO THAT MAY BE PART OF WHY WE'RE SEEING A SPIKE. BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GOING IN TO PUBLIC PLACES TO USE WI-FI. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT THERE'S ANY CORRELATION TO THAT. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY WAY TO KNOW THAT. BUT I THINK THIS IS -- THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT.

AND WE HAVEN'T OFFERED ANY SOLUTIONS.

SO IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING, THE PARTIAL TICKETS.

I DON'T KNOW. THE REASON I LOOKED AT YOU THE WAY I LOOKED AT YOU WHEN YOU SAID A PILOT, BECAUSE I CAN'T.

NO PLACE IN THE DISTRICT THAT I COULD PICK THAT I WOULD SAY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY ELSE TO START.

BUT WE CAN JUST DO SOMETHING FOR THESE PEOPLE, IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE. MAYBE IT'S THE HOT SPOTS.

I DON'T KNOW. THE HOT SPOTS IN THE LIBRARY OR WHATEVER. I DON'T KNOW.

>> WELL, THAT'S WHY TROY AND TALKED ABOUT THIS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. BECAUSE NONE OF US ARE EXPERTS AT WHICH IS THE BEST WAY TO TRY TO DELIVER SERVICE TO THESE FOLKS, TO GET SOMEBODY IN AS A CONSULTANT TO HELP US, WHETHER IT'S MAGELLAN OR -- WE KNOW IT WON'T BE AT&T OR COMCAST.

UNLESS WE CAME UP WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT THEY TOLD US.

SOME OTHER PLANS TROY LOOKED AT. GET SOMEBODY IN TO TELL US WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE AND WHICH ONE WOULD BE BEST.

IT MAY HAVE TO BE A COUPLE OF SOLUTIONS.

IT MAY NOT JUST BE ONE THING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYBODY.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I THINK FAILING TO HAVE AN EXPERT ON STAFF, WHERE TO GO AND WHAT TO DO, I THINK THAT'S THE NEXT BEST THING. SO --

>> AND IF ANYONE KNOWS ANYBODY HIGH UP AT AT&T, TELL THEM TO QUIT CUTTING PEOPLE OFF. THAT'S WHAT THEY DO.

SO THEY DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE SERVICES IN THESE RURAL AREAS.

SO IF YOU EVER DISCONNECT YOUR SERVICE, LIKE YOU CHANGE TO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU TRY OUT THE STARLINK OR DISH NETWORK, THEY WON'T GIVE IT BACK TO YOU.

BECAUSE THEY CLAIM IT KANYE WESTS -- IT COSTS THEM MONEY TO PROVIDE SERVICES. THEY'RE UP IN WASHINGTON SINGING THE SONG OF PAY US MORE MONEY AND THEY REALLY DON'T WANT TO PROVIDE SERVICES TO THESE PEOPLE.

BUT I DON'T HAVE CONTACTS AT AT&T.

DO WE KNOW THAT? >> I THINK AT LEAST LET YOU START THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO SAY LET'S PUT AN RFPAND SAY TELL US WHAT YOU CAN DO. YOU'LL END UP WITH A FIXED WIRELESS SOLUTION. FIXED WIRELESS COMES OFF OF TOWERS. EVERYTHING I HAVE LOOKED AT SAYS THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. THREE, FOUR PEOPLE APPROACHED ME ABOUT DOING THAT IN THE COUNTY. WITHOUT A FUNDING MECHANISM, WE

CAN'T START DOWN THAT PROCESS. >> PROPOSING CUTTING?

>> HE SAID TO START WITH. >> FIND OUT IF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS SAY OR WHATEVER FUNDING.

THAT WAS HIS IDEA. >> MY ONLY HESITATION IS THE $1.5 MILLION WILL GO SOME PLACE ELSE.

WE'LL GET SOME PEOPLE A SOLUTION AND SEE YA.

>> IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION. HOWEVER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD

WITH THAT. >> I THOUGHT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL WAS GOING TO SAY.

YOU SAID -- THEY MIGHT COME UP WITH IT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS,

IF THE HOUSE PASSES. >> THAT MAY BE THE CASE.

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS TO GET STARTED.

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>> AN RFQ WHETHER WE LEAVE THE $2 MILLION IN THAT LINE ITEM AND NOT USE IT, BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE BILL FINALLY GETS PASS AND GOT MORE MONEY AVAILABLE OR CONGRESSMAN INDICATED TO US ANOTHER SOLUTION COMING OUT OF WASHINGTON.

IT GETS US IN THE BALL GAME IN TERMS OF -- AND VERIFIES WHETHER WHAT TROY IS TALKING ABOUT, THE --

>> FIXED WIRELESS. >> IS THE WAY TO GO OR SOMETHING ELSE. WE CAN START MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, WHEN WE SEE WHERE WE CAN GET THE MOST MONEY FOR IT.

>> I WOULD SAY THE THING FOR THE BOARD, YOU CAN LEAVE THE $2 MILLION IN THERE. ANY CONTRACTS, ANY PROPOSALS WE DO, HAVE TO COME THROUGH THE BOARD.

YOU'RE GOING TO STILL HAVE THE SECOND AND THIRD OPPORTUNITIES TO AWARD AN RFP AND AWARD THE CONTRACT.

EVEN IF YOU PUT THE $2 MILLION IN THERE AND ANOTHER FUNDING OPPORTUNITY COMES ALONG, YOU CAN MOVE IT IN AND OUT.

YOU STILL HAVE THE DISCRETION AT THAT POINT.

>> I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET TO CHRISTMAS AND WE'VE DONE NOTHING

BUT A STUDY. >> YEAH.

>> AND THAT'S -- >> WELL, I THINK THAT'S -- I THINK WE HAVE TO DO THAT FIRST, TO KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.

AND I THINK THE FASTER WE CAN GET THAT DONE, THE FORECASTER WE

CAN MOVE TO STEP TWO. >> I'LL USE THE WORD "STUDY" AS A HYBRID. I'LL LOOK TO KAREN TO MAKE SURE I'M TALKING PROPERLY, I THINK WE WOULD PUT A REQUEST OUT FOR A PROPOSAL. TELL US WHAT SOLUTION YOU'RE GOING TO COME PROVIDE TO THE COUNTY.

PUT THE ONUS ON THEM TO SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE AREAS WE WANT TO SERVE. TELL US HOW YOU'RE GOING TO SERVE THE AREA. WHAT'S THE BEST WAY THAT YOU CAN SERVE THIS AREA. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A STUDY.

YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM PROPOSAL IT.

AND THEN WE'LL PICK SOMEBODY AND NEGOTIATE WITH THEM.

>> YES. >> SO EVERYBODY HAVE CONSENSUS THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'D LIKE TO GO IN, KEEP THE $2 MILLION THERE AND WE'RE ABLE TO MOVE IT LATER ON IF WE SEE THAT WE HAVE BETTER FUNDING OR COMBINE IT WITH OTHER FUNDING, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE NEED. BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT OF THIS IS TO MOVE THAT ALONG.

HEALTH DEPARTMENT. IS SO -- SO THE QUESTION IS TO USE ARP MONEY OR TO USE CIP? WE HAVE $3 MILLION IN CIP NOW, OUT OF THE ARP WE CAN TAKE $1 MILLION AND PUT THAT IN THERE AND MAKE THE $4 MILLION? OR WE CAN REPLACE IT.

IF WE DO THAT, WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE, IT FREES UP THE CIP

MONEY? >> FREES UP THE CIP MONEY.

SO YOU HAVE LESS OF THAT FIVE-YEAR DEFICIT.

>> $3 MILLION. >> $3 MILLION LESS OF IT, YES, SIR. APPROXIMATELY.

>> THOSE FOUR SEEM TO MAKE SENSE.

>> OKAY. CAN WE VOTE ON THAT NOW?

>> NO. WE'RE JUST GIVING STAFF

DIRECTION TO COME BACK TO US. >> THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS

RECOMMENDING. >> IF WE'VE GOT CONSENSUS, WHAT WE'LL DO IS BRING AN ITEM ON THE NEXT BCCAGENDA THAT LISTS THIS OUT AND WE'LL START THE PROJECTS.

>> AND WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO -- AND MAYBE YOU TOLD US.

WE HAVE THE -- I KNOW YOU PUT OUT FOR AN RFP.

THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WE HAVE PLAN.

>> WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WITH IT YET.

>> YOU DO PUT IT OUT FOR AN RFP. >> YEAH.

>> THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WE HAVE A PLAN.

THE BROADBAND WE TALKED ABOUT A DIRECTION.

WITH THE JAIL CONVERSION, DO WE HAVE TO GO TO DESIGN PHASE?

IS THAT WHAT IS NEXT ON THAT? >> WELL --

>> WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE MONEY FIRST.

>> BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT IF THE NEXT STEP?

>> I THINK I WOULD DEFER THAT TO THE SHERIFF'S TEAM AND TO GENE.

WE HAVE $4 MILLION IN PROJECTS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY IDENTIFIED, THAT YOU GUYS GAVE ME THE LIST FOR FOR POSSIBLE CONVERSION OF AREAS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO IT OR IF YOU WANT GENE TO SPEAK TO IT.

EACH OF THOSE -- IT'S NOT ONE PROJECT.

IT'S A SERIES OF PROJECTS. >> YEAH.

>> I THINK US AND THE COUNTY HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND DECIDE AND WITH THE CITY AND DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP. ARE WE GOING TO GO UP, ARE WE GOING TO GO OUT. IN DECIDING THAT IT THEN GOES INTO THE -- YES. SO BASICALLY FOR A NEW JAIL, THE $4.5 MILLION IS BASICALLY I HAVE A WHOLE VISITATION AREA, I NEED

TO TURN INTO A DORM. >> OKAY.

>> IN DOING THAT THAT GETS ME 24 -- 24 BEDS.

>> OKAY. >> I CAN ACTUALLY HAVE THAT DONE PRETTY QUICK, ONCE WE GET THE ENGINEERING.

A YEAR AND A HALF IS PRETTY QUICK.

>> OKAY. >> SO I CAN GET THAT PORTION.

AND THEN WE HAVE -- WE HAVE SOME INMATES RIGHT NOW WITH PROGRAMS. I CAN CUT THOSE ROOMS IN HALF, IF MAKE A MINIMUM SECURITY DORM.

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INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE FOR IT. >> SURE.

>> ESPECIALLY WITH THE HOUSING NOW.

>> THAT WOULD GIVE YOU A TEMPORARY SOLUTION FASTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO, ASIDE FROM MOVING THEM TO OTHER COUNTIES, WHICH IS NOT DESIRABLE?

>> WE'RE -- I WOULD SAY WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE INMATES AT OTHER FACILITIES. WE'LL HAVE THEM THERE, BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE SO MUCH TIME TO GET THE VISITATION AREA.

>> OH, RIGHT. YEAH.

>> BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE INMATES THERE PRETTY QUICK, UNLESS WE SEE A DRASTIC CHANGE. I THINK WE'RE FIVE YEARS AHEAD

OF WHERE WE THOUGHT WE WERE. >> OKAY.

>> YOU KNOW, SO THIS WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING.

BUT IT DOES HELP US. >> SURE.

>> YEAH. I GOT THAT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT THE NEXT STEP.

OKAY. SO YOU'VE IDENTIFIED WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO, JUST NOW IT'S ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION.

>> YES. YES.

>> AND THAT WAS THROUGH THAT $10,000 STUDY?

>> NO. >> THAT WAS THE PROPOSAL.

>> OKAY. >> THE CONVERSION.

OH, OKAY. I GOT IT.

>> YEP. WE GOT IT.

SO THE 4.5 -- WE'RE TALKING 4.5, THE CONVERSION.

THE WHOLE THING WOULD TAKE A YEAR AND A HALF OR JUST THE FIRST PORTION OF THAT? SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE YOU GET UP AGAIN. GETTING YOUR STEPS IN.

>> IN PHASES. WE CAN BASICALLY BREAK THINGS APART. THE ENGINEERING IS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE. THE RETROFITTING FOR THAT AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE OF IT.

IT WILL GET US THERE TO ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF.

I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR -- ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S THE FIRST PHASE.

I MEAN, IN TERMS OF THE SECOND PORKS -- SECOND PORTION, THIRD, FOURTH. WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY MONIES TO COBBLE TOGETHER TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT.

THAT WILL TAKE SOME REAL DECISION-MAKING IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZING WHAT WE CAN OR CANNOT MOVE FORWARD WITH.

AND MAY BE PROJECTS THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE BEEN IN THE CIP, BUT WE JUST CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, IF THIS IS THE PRIORITY THAT WE'VE GOT TO WORK WITH. SO SOME OF THOSE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO MAKE. BUT WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT. SHERIFF, I'M SORRY.

GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

YOU KNOW, I JUST -- WE STATED OUR CASE.

BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF THINGS CLEAR, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S -- THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BRINGING THIS UP LAST MINUTE. OUR JAIL HASN'T BEEN EXPANDED IN TO YEAR -- 20 YEARS. WHEN WE WERE AT 80% CAPACITY WITH COVID HITTING, WE REALLY THOUGHT THAT WOULD GIVE US SOME TIME. BUT WHEN WE HIT CAPACITY IN FEBRUARY, WE WERE LIKE, WHOA, THIS -- YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE PROFESSIONALS IN THE INDUSTRY, THIS WENT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WE ALL THOUGHT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND WHEN I TELL YOU WE HAVE EXPLORED EVERY SINGLE POSSIBILITY OF WHAT CAN WE DO TO RELIEVE CAPACITY. I KNOW THERE'S DISCUSSIONS OUT THERE. WE'LL BUILD A TENT CITY.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITIES AND FOOD AND A KITCHEN AND MEDICAL, WHICH IS -- IT'S GOING TO END UP COSTING YOU MORE IN THE LONG RUN.

THERE'S CONVERSATION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, JUST PUT A FENCE UP ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THROW A OF THE INMATES IN THERE.

THAT'S UNSAFE. THAT'S UNSANITARY AND IN THE LONG RUN, THAT'S GOING TO COST MORE, BECAUSE OF LAWSUITS, BECAUSE OF MEDICAL CONDITIONS. YOU KNOW, WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT PUTTING TENTS UP AROUND IN NEAR OUR BUILDING.

AGAIN IT'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE. AND IN THE END WILL COST MORE MONEY. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO ASSURE THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF YOU THAT THIS IS A DISCUSSION THAT HAPPENS IN OUR BUILDING EVERY SINGLE DAY ABOUT WHAT IS OUR NUMBER, WHAT HAVE WE DONE TODAY TO RELIEVE THE CAPACITY, TO THE POINT THAT THE UNDER SHERIFF GETTING WITH THE STATE ATTORNEY. AND WE LITERALLY REVIEW PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE JAIL AND WHAT THEIR SENTENCES ARE AND SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN DO WITH THEM.

BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION OUT THERE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE THROWING IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS OUT THERE. IF ANYBODY HAS AN IDEA OR SUGGESTION, WE ARE MORE THAN OPEN TO LISTENING TO IT.

BUT I ASSURE YOU THE STAFF AND THIS TEAM HERE, WE HAVE JUST EXHAUSTED EVERY POSSIBILITY REACHING OUT TO OUR PROFESSIONAL CONTACTS IN THE INDUSTRY, GOING HOW DID YOU HANDLE THIS.

WHAT DID YOU DO. ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.

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IT HASN'T BEEN EXPANDED IN 20 YEARS.

WE'RE AT CAPACITY. IS IT FEASIBLE TO ADD ON TO THIS OR GO TO THE COMMISSION AND ASK FOR A BRAND-NEW FACILITY, WHICH IS WAY MORE EXPENSIVE THAN ADDING ON, WHICH THE STROLO STUDY TOLD US. I JUST WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE HAPPENING EVERY DAY AND WE'RE DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE. THE FACT IS THAT THIS COUNTY IS GROWING VERY QUICKLY AND THE JAIL HAS NOT INCREASED CAPACITY

IN 1 20 YEARS. >> I TOTALLY GET IT.

I JUST -- HOW TO PAY FOR IT. NO, I GET IT.

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I ASK THE SHERIFF A QUESTION.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE STUDY YOU HAD, SHERIFF.

IT LOOKED LIKE YOU COULD GET THE 63 BEDS IN DORM ONE WITH TWO PHASES OF THAT PLAN, THAT WAS ABOUT THAT $4.5 MILLION, THAT WAS IN THAT STUDY PIECE. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT.

THAT LOOKED LIKE A PRETTY REASONABLE SOLUTION?

>> THE STROLO STUDY? >> THAT'S WHERE THAT PIECE CAME

FROM. >> THAT'S PART OF IT.

THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO GO BACK AND HAVE ANOTHER STUDY DONE. THEY WANT TO ENCLOSE OUR GENERATOR. AND WE HAVE SOME RESERVATIONS ABOUT THAT. THEY WANT TO DO LIKE A FLOOR -- AN OPEN FLOOR AT THE BOTTOM, CLOSE OUR GENERATOR AND THEN BUILD UP. PART OF THE CHALLENGE WITH THAT, IS GREEN COVE DOESN'T WANT US TO GO UP.

SO WE HAVE SOME IDEAS THAT I THINK ARE VERY REASONABLE.

WE JUST HAVE TO GO BACK AND SAY, OKAY, GREEN COVE, IF YOU DON'T WANT US GOING UP, CAN WE GO OUT. THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF GOING OUT.

GOING OUT AND MAKING OUR FOOTPRINT WIDER IS CHEAPER.

>> YEAH. >> BUT STROLO GAVE US THREE

POSSIBILITIES OF GOING UP. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT WITHIN THAT. THAT WAS THE NATURE OF THE QUESTION. THANK YOU, SHERIFF.

>> THE $4.5 MILLION, JUST FOR CLARITY, WAS BEFORE THE STROLO

STUDY WAS DONE. >> CORRECT.

>> THE $4.5 MILLION INCLUDED OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE JAIL, THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE, WHETHER YOU EXPAND CAPACITY OR NOT.

THERE'S SOME THINGS OVER AT THE JAIL, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, SHERIFF, IN NEED OF REPAIRS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE, VERSUS COMING OUT OF YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE CLARITY BETWEEN THE $4.5 MILLION THAT WE SAID IN THERE AND THE STUDY

THAT'S BEEN DONE RECENTLY. >> FOR EXAMPLE, BOILER REPLACEMENT, -- I'M SORRY, AIR HANDLER REPLACEMENT.

>> TO HELP WITH COVID AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> CORRECT. >> I THINK, MR. CHAIR AND FOR THE SHERIFF, THAT WOULD PROVIDE OPPORTUNITY TO MERGE THE EXISTING CIP FUNDING WITH THE ARP MONEY THAT WE HAVE COMING IN. AND THEN IF THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDS THAT WOULD BECOME ELIGIBLE WITH IT, IT BECOMES A BLENDED VERSION OF WHAT'S I THINK POSSIBLE.

>> YEAH. I DON'T SEE AN EASY WAY TO GET THERE. I SUGGESTED THE IMPACT FEE AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS, BECAUSE I THOUGHT -- CERTAINLY WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY LINE ITEM THAT YOU PROBABLY COULD, IF YOU HAD TO, YOU COULD BOND IF YOU HAD TO. BUT CERTAINLY BECOMES A SELF-FUNDING KIND OF A LINE ITEM FOR PUBLIC SAFETY GOING FORWARD WITH IMPACT FEES. AND, OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO DO THE STUDY AND FIGURE THAT OUT. BUT IN TERMS OF COMING UP WITH AND WE PROBABLY COULD LOOK INTO CIP AND ARP AND FIND, YOU KNOW, COBBLE TOGETHER SOME MONIES. A QUESTION OF HOW FAST WE NEED THOSE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THERE WILL BE SOME HARD DECISIONS THAT YOU FOLKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH.

IN SOME CASES DO WITHOUT FOR A WHILE.

SO THAT WILL BE THE CHALLENGE. >> I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION ON THE ARP. IT'S NOT LISTED AS AN IMMEDIATE PROJECT. BUT -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY. BUT SEPTEMBER, YOU KNOW, IS THE CLOSING OF OUR FISCAL YEAR. AND THE ONE LINE -- SORRY.

I GOT OFF THAT PAGE. OH, THE ONE THAT IS NOT IN YELLOW, BUT IT'S REFUND COUNTY-BASED HEALTH PLAN.

I KNOW THAT WAS TO OFFSET PREMIUM INCREASES GOING FORWARD.

AND I KNOW THAT JENNIFER IS HERE.

BUT THAT AFFECTS EVERY COUNTY EMPLOYEE.

THAT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, FROM BCC TO PUBLIC WORKS TO PUBLIC SAFETY. SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

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IMMINENT? >> I MEAN, WE'RE GETTING READY TO FINALIZE OUR BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR.

SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO IN ADVANCE OF FINALIZING THAT, WOULD SET US UP BETTER FOR THE NEW YEAR.

AND ALSO SOME SUBSEQUENT YEARS. AND, YES, IT AFFECTS ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE BCC AND ALSO THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES.

ALSO SOME OF OUR RETIREES AS WELL.

THE NUMBER THAT WAS INCLUDED THERE $2 MILLION.

WE ARE JUST AT A LITTLE OVER $1.9 MILLION IN EXPENSES ALREADY. SO WITH COVID STILL VERY A THREAT TO EVERYBODY, THOSE EXPENSES WILL CONTINUE TO RISE.

WE DETERIORATION -- WE ADDRESSED THE COUNTY INSURANCE AND AND WE HAVE SOME EXPENSES THAT ALSO REFLECTING UNDER OUR WORKERS' COMP FOR ANY INJURIES -- COVID-RELATED INJURIES I UNDERSTAND OUR PROGRAM. IT ALSO HAS A COST THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED THERE. WE'RE PROBABLY $2.3 MILLION, $2.4 MILLION CURRENTLY. SO THIS IS JUST A PORTION OF

THOSE COSTS. >> WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU IF WE WENT AHEAD AND PULLED THAT FORWARD ON -- BECAUSE WE DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL SEPTEMBER 14TH.

SO TIME -- WE'RE A LONG TIME BEFORE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO VOTE ON ANY OF THESE. I GUESS THAT'S THREE WEEKS.

ALMOST FOUR WEEKS AWAY. >> WE'RE PLANNING ON BRINGING YOU THE AMERICAN RESCUE PROJECTS TO THE -- TWO WEEKS, YES, MA'AM.

THAT'S WAY ANYTHING THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE -- IF WE WANT TO START WORKING ON JAIL PROJECTS, WE WANT TO WORK ON THE BROADBAND.

>> OKAY. >> IF YOU APPROVE THAT BUDGET IN TWO WEEKS, SAME THING WITH MOVING THIS MONEY.

IF THAT'S A DESIRE OF THE BOARD, WE CAN MOVE THAT UP AND THEN IT WILL BE REFLECTED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AS AN INCREASE INTO THE HEALTH CARE PLAN. AND JUST TO POINT OUT.

THOSE NUMBERS UP THERE, THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS THAT STAFF PUT TOGETHER. THESE NUMBERS -- YOUR DESIRE.

YOU CAN MOVE THEM AROUND AND YOU ALSO NOTICE WE DID NOT TAKE ITED TO FULL $42.5 MILLION, WE WANT TO LEAVE MONEY IN FOR OTHER THINGS THAT THE BOARD MAY DESIRE TO DO IN THE FUTURE.

>> AND THE ONLY THING IS THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING ON THE ACTUARIAL DETERMINATION FOR HEALTH INSURANCE PLANS.

ONCE THOSE COME IN, WE'LL BE MEETIG WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER OR THE BUDGET STAFF AS WELL TO KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE BEST APPROACH, WHETHER IT'S BETTER TO SPREAD IT OUT OVER MULTIPLE YEARS OR IN ONE TIME AND HAVE THAT CARRY FORWARD.

>> SO MAYBE AUGUST MEETING IS NOT THE RIGHT TIME.

MAYBE ONE OF THE SEPTEMBER MEETINGS?

>> I THINK AUGUST WOULD BE GOOD. THE QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WE WOULD PHASE IN THE REIMBURSEMENT BACK TO THE TRUST FUND.

>> THEY NEED THAT BEFORE SEPTEMBER.

ONCE WE HIT SEPTEMBER, WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER AND THE SECOND MEETING.

THE BUDGET IS PRETTY WELL SET AT THAT POINT.

WE'LL NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND VOTE ON SOMETHING IN THE NEXT MEETING. IF YOU THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE MOVE FORWARD, WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT AS PART OF OUR DIRECTION TO STAFF.

IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE CHECKLIST OF THINGS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, MORE THINGS CAN BE BROUGHT UP AS WE GET TO THE NEXT MEETING.

THANK YOU, JENNIFER. APPRECIATE IT.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD THINKS THAT WE NEED TO DIRECT STAFF, TELL TROY. HE WRITES DOWN AND MAGICALLY IT APPEARS. [LAUGHTER] SOMEWHERE. SOMEHOW IT HAPPENS.

SO DO I HEAR CONSENSUS? >> YES.

>> OKAY. WHAT ABOUT STORMWATER STUDY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD? YES. OKAY.

HEALTH DEPARTMENT. QUESTION OF DECIDING WHERE WE NEED TO DO IT. WE HAVE $4 MILLION SET ASIDE.

WE HAVE 4 MILLION IN ARP? OR A COMBINATION OF THREE AND

CIP AND $1 MILLION IN ARP. >> I THINK WE GO $4 MILLION IN

ARP. >> I AGREE.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT FREES UP $3 MILLION IN CIP FOR JAIL CONVERSION OR WHATEVER ELSE WE MIGHT NEED.

IF WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION, THEN THAT'S THE DIRECTION TO TAKE.

CERTAINLY IN TERMS OF THE JAIL CONVERSION, I WOULD KEEP THE $4.5 MILLION MOVING FORWARD. AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TODAY IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING ADDITIONAL DOLLARS AS TO WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO A FULL ONSLAUGHT INTO A JAIL THING. REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER PLAN THEY GO WITH. WE KNOW IT WILL COST MORE THAN

WHERE WE ARE NOW. >> CAN STAFF BRING US OPTIONS?

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>> YES. >> CAN WE ASK STAFF TO BRING OPTIONS ON HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY PAY FOR A $30 MILLION JAIL

EXPANSION? >> I'M LOOKING.

WE AS A TEAM, BETWEEN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE COUNTY BUDGET TEAM, WILL WORK ON BRINGING BACK SOME OPTIONS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, BONDING, IF IT'S IMPACT FEES.

WE'LL WORK WITH LEGAL ON OPTIONS.

YES. WE'LL BRING YOU BACK SOME OPTIONS. SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER AS PART OF

THE BUDGET PROCESS. >> MAYBE AT THAT POINT WE CAN HAVE THAT PLAN A LITTLE MORE FLESHED OUT IN TERMS OF GREEN COVE IS, WHERE WE ARE. WHERE THEY ARE.

WE NEED THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO THAT COOK CARE OF THE FOUR, PLUS THE ONE THAT COMMISSIONER CONDON BROUGHT UP, THAT JENNIFER ADDRESSED. AND THEN IMPACT ROAD PROJECTS.

IMPACT FEE ROAD PROJECTS. I THINK THAT ONE WE MIGHT WANT T TO HOLD OFF UNTIL WE SEE THE ROADS ALREADY ELIGIBLE ON THE LIST. I THINK THAT WOULD BE THE WISEST THING TO DO. DOES EVERYBODY AGREE WITH THAT? AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO SEE US TO CONTINUE TO PUT OUT ASPHALT, I THINK PROBABLY WORTHWHILE TO TAKE A LOOK.

>> YEAH. >> TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MOBILITY FEE OR THE IMPACT?

>> WE'LL GO FOR BOTH. >> OKAY.

>> SO THE IMPACT FEES YOU CAN DECIDE THE ROADS.

AND THE MOBILITY FEES THAT'S SEPARATE.

WE CAN LOOK AT THAT LIST. >> SO THE IMPACT FEES CAN BE ANY ROADS OR DO THEY HAVE TO INCREASE --

>> THEY HAVE TO INCREASE CAPACITY.

>> CAPACITY. >> THE LIST RIGHT HERE.

SO WE HAD GONE THROUGH, BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE DISTRICTS.

THE DISTRICTS ARE SHAPED DIFFEREN THAN THE DISTRICTS FOR THE MOBILITY FEE. THESE ARE THE ROADS THAT ARE FOR

THAT. >> I THINK THE KEY ONE ON THIS, I'M GOING TO LOOK TO EDDY IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.

THE KEY ONE IS REALLY THE 218 WEST.

SINCE THEY'RE IN PROCESS WITH YOUR BONDED ROAD PROJECT.

IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD TO USE THAT SAME CONTRACTOR AND CONTINUE GOING. HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO NEED SOME

DIRECTION SOONER THAN LATER. >> CAN I ASK A HARD QUESTION.

SO IF WE START COMBINING CONSCIOUS SO WE HAVE $4.4 MILLION HERE, WE HAD 87 OR $78,000 ON THE OTHER -- THE MOBILITY FEE. BUT THEN ED HAD TALKED TO US ABOUT POTENTIAL SAVINGS ON OUR BONDED PROJECTS, THAT WE MIGHT FREE UP SOME ADDITIONAL MONIES. I GUESS --

>> I'LL LET ED TALK TO THAT. >> I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT OR ANYTHING. I'M JUST KIND OF ASKING THE

QUESTION. >> IF YOU COULD, MAYBE REPHRASE THE QUESTION. YOU SAY ADDITIONAL FUNDS?

>> SO IF WE START TAKING THESE -- COMBINING LIKE -- SO TROY TALKED ABOUT TAKING -- SO SPECIFICALLY 218 WEST.

IF YOU WENT AS FAR AS YOU COULD WITH 4.4, THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER $78,000 OR WHATEVER. THEN HE TALKED ABOUT COMBINING FROM OTHER SOURCES, IF WE DO ALL OF THAT AND THEN WE END UP WITH EXTRA MONEY LEFT OVER FROM YOUR BONDED PROJECTS, WHERE YOU'VE

RECOGNIZED SAVINGS, IS IT -- >> YES.

AS FAR AS RECOGNIZED SAVINGS CURRENTLY, KIND OF DEMINIMUS.

IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT. IT'S BEEN TENS -- EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS. BUT WE REALLY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK FOR THOSE ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

EXTENDING OR GOING BEYOND WHERE THE CURRENT PROJECT IS.

SO RIGHT NOW AGAIN THERE WOULDN'T BE ADDITIONAL FUNDS, IF I'M HEARING YOU CONTRADICTLY. -- CORRECTLY. WE'RE GOING TO END UP AT A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS TO TAKE THE FUND.

ALL OF THE FUNDS FOR THE BOND TRANSPORTATION HAS TO BE USED FOR THE BONDED TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS.

>> YEAH. >> MAKE SURE.

I THINK THE ONE THING THAT COULD BE GAINED HERE IS THE FACT THAT WHILE THE BONDED PROJECTS HAVE SET UP AND THEY'VE BEGUN WORK ON IT, BY ADDING THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN IT, EVEN IF NO FUNDING IN THE BOND PROJECT, YOU GAPE THE BENEFIT OF THE MOBILIZED WORKFORCE, THAT CAN THEN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT ONE IT'S DESIGNED AND MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AT PROBABLY A REDUCED COST FROM WHAT YOU'D HAVE, IF YOU HAVE THE START-UP COSTS ALL OVER AGAIN. THAT'S THE REAL OPPORTUNITY

THERE. >> YES, SIR.

YES. TO EXPAND ON THAT -- THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE THE EXISTING VENUE, YOU ALREADY HAVE THE CONTRACTS EACH GONE THROUGH. ALL OF THAT UP-FRONT WORK, IF YOU WOULD, AS FAR AS TIMING. ALL OF THAT TAKES, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO PUT IT ON AN RFQ.

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THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD BE SAVING AS WELL IS TIME.

>> AND I'M GOING -- JUST GOING TO ADD, TOO.

WHEN WE THOUGHT EXTRA FUNDS IN THE BONDED PROJECT, IT'S BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING AT DEVELOPERS HAVE US BUILD CERTAIN PARTS OF THE ROAD, WHICH WOULD GIVE THEM MOBILITY FEE CREDIT AND FREEING UP MONEY AND THOSE HAVE NOT COME THROUGH.

SO WE'RE BACK TO JUST OUR NORMAL PLAN, OUR ORIGINAL PLAN.

>> OKAY. >> BUT WE'RE STILL RECOGNIZING THE SAVINGS THROUGH THE INVESTMENTS OF THOSE FUNDS,

CORRECT? >> YES.

YES. YEAH.

I MENTIONED ON TUESDAY WITH THE HELP OF THE CLERK AND COMPTROLLER'S OFFICE, WE HAVE THE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, WHICH IS NOW LOOKING AT THOSE DOLLARS, TRYING TO GET AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN TERMS OF RETURN ON THOSE DOLLARS THAT WE'RE HOLDING.

>> YEAH. WE NEED $30 MILLION.

[LAUGHTER] >> UNFORTUNATELY DON'T ALLOW ME TO GO BUY LOTTERY TICKETS WITH THAT MONEY.

THANK YOU, ED. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. SORRY.

QUESTION. SO IMPACT FEE STUDY.

THAT'S SEPARATE AND WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO PUT THAT OFF?

>> THE IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING, THAT'S BEEN SUGGESTED NOW, IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT WERE MENTIONED ALONG WITH THAT. SO WE WOULD HAVE --

>> REVENUE. >> IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY AND LINE ITEM, SHERIFF ITEM, FIRE ITEM. WHATEVER.

AND THOSE MONIES, JUST LIKE IMPACT FEE FOR THE ROADS, TRANSPORTATION, THOSE WOULD BE SET ASIDE AS THOSE HOUSES ARE

BUILT? >> ARE WE DOING THAT STUDY?

>> YES. >> YES, WE ARE.

I MISSED THAT. >> WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT.

>> OKAY. >> I WAS TRYING TO GET US

THROUGH. >> OKAY.

THAT'S SEPARATE. >> POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES.

>> I'M $30 MILLION. I KEEP THINKING $30 MILLION.

[LAUGHTER] IT'S IN MY HEAD.

>> UNFORTUNATELY PROBABLY ABOUT TWO YEARS BEFORE WE CAN START COLLECTING THAT, BECAUSE OF THE STUDY AND BY THE TIME IT GETS

IMPLEMENTED. >> WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.

>> YES. ALL RIGHT.

SO GIVE YOU DIRECTION ON ALL OF THOSE ITEMS THAT YOU WERE

LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON? >> I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE ON THE IMPACT FEES, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH US BRINGING BACK -- DO YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THE ENTIRE LIST OR GOING FORWARD ON 218 WEST, IN ADDITION TO THE BONDING PROJECT?

>> I MEAN, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH IT.

I SUGGESTED IT. BUT I'LL DEFER FOR COMMISSIONER CONDON. I THINK MOST OF THOSE FEES ARE FROM HER AREA. AND I THINK I DID ASK AT THE LAST MEETING, PROBABLY HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SIT AND THINK ABOUT IT. SOMEWHERE ELSE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEND IT FOR CAPACITY. CERTAINLY NOW IS THE TIME TO

GIVE THAT SOME CONSIDERATION. >> I'D LIKE TO SIT IN A ROOM

WITH A MAP. >> YEAH.

YOU'LL SIT WITH THE MAP, DESIGNATING THE IMPACT FEE

AREAS. >> YEAH.

WITH STAFF. IF I JUST SIT IN A ROOM WITH A

MAP, IT DOES NO ONE ANY GOOD. >> I DIDN'T WANT TO SAY

ANYTHING. >> I CAN WE CAN COORDINATE WITH RICHARD AND SHARISSE AND ED AND I HAVE ALL WORKED ON THIS.

SO I THINK WE COULD GET WITH THIS YOU AND SHOW YOU THE

BOUNDARIES AND GO FROM THERE. >> THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>> ALL RIGHT. OKAY.

REALIZING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ISN'T A BETTER PLACE FOR IT, THEN WE NEED TO SET ED UP FOR MOVING FORWARD.

>> ONE PARTICULAR ROAD THAT I WANT TO ASK ABOUT OTHERWISE.

>> SURE. >> AND IT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT BEFORE. BUT 217 WITH THE DRAINAGE AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN PUT OFF BECAUSE OF DRAINAGE ISSUES.

BUT THAT'S -- THAT'S A THOROUGHFARE A LOT OF PEOPLE USE TO GO TO JACKSONVILLE TO WORK EVERY DAY.

THAT'S THE ONE. >> I MEAN IT'S NO SECRET.

IT'S 217. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE

PLUSES AND MINUSES BETWEEN BOTH. >> OKAY.

>> CHAIRMAN, I THINK THE OTHER TWO THINGS WE NEED DIRECTION ON, IF THERE'S ANYTHING OR AT LEAST A DIRECTION ON COMING BACK WITH A PLAN OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OUT OF CIP? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO SAYANI FUTURE MEETING. BUT WE'LL NEED THAT TO SET THE

FIVE-YEAR CIP? >>> I NEED TO GIVE EVERYBODY SOME HOMEWORK AND WORK WITH THE COUNTY MA HANG -- MANAGER AND THINGS WE CAN PUSH OFF TO MOVE MONEYS CLOSER TO SPEND, WHETHER IT'S JAIL OR OTHER THINGS. IS THAT FAIR? SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY.

THAT WAY EVERYBODY HAS SOME INPUT.

I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY FASTEST WAY OF DOING THAT.

>> PERFECT. THE LAST THING WOULD BE ON THOSE ALTERNATE REVENUE STREAMS, IF A CONSENSUS TO HAVE STAFF WORK ON.

EIGHT OF THEM UP THERE. THAT'S -- I DON'T KNOW IF ANY ONE OR MORE OF THOSE HAVE A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD OF WHAT YOU'D LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD AS A STAFF TO WORK ON DEVELOPING

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>> WELL, I THINK -- I THINK I'VE HEARD SOME CONSENSUS ON IMPACT, IF WE CAN, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH COMMISSIONER CONDON ASKED IN TERMS OF UNDERWRITING CERTAIN PROPERTIES, POTENTIALLY WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO SET ASIDE TO OFFSET THOSE FEES.

THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY END UP PAYING A FEE AND GETTING A REBATE. EVERYBODY INTERESTED IN AT LEAST LOOKING FORWARD A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE IMPACT FEES?

COMMISSIONER RENNINGER? >> I'M NOT SURE THERE'S ANY OTHER -- I DON'T SEE HOW THERE'S ANY OTHER POSSIBILITY.

>> YEAH. TROY SAID THERE'S EIGHT ITEMS. COMMUNICATION SERVICE IS OUT. STORMWATER FEE.

WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH THAT.

CHARTER SYSTEM COUNTY SURTAX. THAT'S NOT GOOD TO MOVE FORWARD ON. THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY UTILITY TAX. YOU HAVE THE TAX ON L.P. GAS.

ELECTRIC OR WATER. I DON'T HAVE THE STOMACH TO BE ABLE TO PUT A TAX ON WATER. SO I WOULD MOVE THAT ONE ASIDE.

>> I'M A HARD NO ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC SERVICE TAXES.

>> WELL, I'M A STRONG PROPONENT OF THOSE, SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT TAXES EVERYBODY IN THE DISTRICT. EVERYONE.

NOT JUST PROPERTY OWNERS, EVERYONE WHO HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN THE WELL BEING OF THIS COUNTY WILL BE PAYING FOR THIS COUNTY. SO INSTEAD OF JUST THE PROPERTY

OWNERS. >> YEAH.

BUT IF YOU TAKE -- TAKE ELECTRIC.

>> EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY WILL PAY FOR THAT.

>> CLAY ELECTRIC IS THE IS THE LARGEST TAXPAYER IN THE COUNTY.

AND THEN WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS IF YOU INCREASE THAT, IT WILL BE

PASSED ON TO -- PEOPLE'S BILLS. >> AUTOMATICALLY PASSED ON TO THE USERS. SO, I MEAN FROM THE PROPOSALS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE ALREADY -- LET'S JUST LAY IT ON THE TABLE.

THE PROPERTY TAXES ARE GOING TO GO UP.

POTENTIALLY THEIR IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO GO UP.

WE MAY PUT A BUSINESS LICENSE IN PLACE.

AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THEIR ELECTRIC BILLS GO UP.

>> WE HAVE THE OPTION TO REDUCE IF WE ARE OFFSET WITH SOMETHING LIKE THIS. WHICH PEANUT BUTTERS THE TAX IMPACT ACROSS EVERYONE, INSTEAD OF JUST PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO THERE ARE -- THERE ARE WAYS TO MITIGATE ALL THE TAX IMPACT ON THE COUNTY RESIDENTS. ALL I'M SAYING.

THE NONPROFITS, FOR INSTANCE, THIS WON'T AFFECT THEM AT ALL, EXCEPT FOR THE UTILITY TAX IT WILL.

THEY SHOULD BE PAYING IT. CHURCHES -- IF YOU WANT E.M.S.

TO REPORT TO YOUR CHURCH FOR A HEART ATTACK VICTIM.

SO ANYWAY. I JUST -- I DON'T LIKE ALL THE TAXES AGAINST PROPERTY OWNERS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

I'M LOOKING AT MITIGATING IT. REPLACE IT WITH UTILITY TAX IS

WHAT I'D PROPOSE. >> COURTNEY, IF WE WERE TO -- SAY WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP IN TERMS OF

LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC TAX ITEM? >> SO WE WOULD JUST BRING IT TO YOU FOR A VOTE. AND THEN ONCE YOU VOTE ON IT, WE WOULD PREPARE THE DOCUMENTS. IT WOULD BE AN ORDINANCE CHANGE.

AND THEN FACILITATED -- I THINK WHEN TROY AND I LOOKED AT THE TIMELINE, THE EARLIEST WE COULD GET IT EFFECTIVE IS APRIL.

>> IF YOU DID IT NOW, YEAH. YOU HAVE TO GIVE 120 DAYS NOTICE BEFORE THE START OF A QUARTER. AND THE QUARTER STARTS IN APRIL.

SO YOU WOULD BACK UP 120 DAYS FROM THERE.

THAT MEANS YOU WOULD HAVE TO NOTICE THE START BY

DECEMBER 1-ISH. >> WE WOULD HAVE IT APPROVED BY

THEN. >> THAT'S FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE TAXES. THE IMPACT FEES WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

>> COMMISSIONER. >> SOMETHING YOU GUYS WILL FIND IN YOUR EMAIL THAT I SENT EARLIER TODAY, A SYNOPSIS ABOUT THAT. SO IF YOU'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN YOU CAN ASK US SOME QUESTIONS ESSENTIALLY.

WE LOOKED AT SEVEN OTHER FLORIDA COUNTIES.

AND THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF IMPACT FEES THEY COLLECT.

A GOOD AMOUNT OF INFORMATION WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU GUYS.

BUT, YES, WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

THAT'S BEEN PUT IN OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, PLANNING BUDGET TO DO THAT STUDY IN THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR.

>> SO IN TERMS OF ANY OTHER REVENUE STREAMS, I VOTED -- THE

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YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY ABOUT ANOTHER $300,000.

>> 275. >> YEAH.

SO AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LOCAL BUSINESS TAX WOULD BE DONE MORE SO FOR PURPOSES OF KEEPING TRACK OF BUSINESSES, MORE THAN IT IS FOR REVENUE PURPOSES. CERTAINLY THERE'S REVENUE THERE.

BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IN CLAY COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO ST. JOHN'S COUNTY IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES.

IT'S A LESSER FIGURE AND IMPLEMENTING IT.

I THINK IT'S A BREAK-EVEN. SO THAT'S NOT -- I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A REVENUE, I LOOK AT THAT AS MORE OF SOME OTHER MANAGEMENT TOOL FOR THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF MOVING FORWARD.

IT BOILS DOWN TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO TAKE A LOOK FURTHER AT AN ELECTRIC TAX.

, IN TERMS OF UTILITY TAX OR NOT.

AS JIM INDICATED, WE HAVE .5 INCREASE IN VICT -- IN TERMS OFE MILLAGE. THAT'S THE MAXIMUM THAT WE CAN GO IN TERMS OF PROPERTY TAX. WE CAN ALWAYS DECREASE THAT.

WE'VE DOE THAT SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, AS WE MOVED THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, SO WE CAN SEE WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M UNDECIDED ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT. BUT IF IT'S -- IF EVERYBODY THICKES IT'S -- THINKS IT'S WORTHWHILE TO LOOK AT AND WEIGH THE OPTIONS, WE'RE PROBABLY OFF BY ABOUT $1.5 MILLION I THINK, TROY, BETWEEN THE .5 MILLAGE INCREASE AND AN ELECTRIC TAX, IF WE ELIMINATED ONE BEFORE THE OTHER?

>> YES. THE .5 I'M LOOKING AT DEBBY.

THE .5 GENERATES ABOUT $6.5 MILLION ROUGHLY.

>> YEAH. >> SO A COMBINATION OF THE TWO WOULD REACH EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY?

>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN COMBINATIO? >> IF YOU OFFSET WITH A UTILITY TAX, YOU'D CAPTURE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY.

EVERYONE WOULD HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A STAKE IN THE PROBLEM.

WO>> GOD. >

>> SHE'S NOT INTERESTED IN SEEING ANY MORE.

>> YEAH. MY DISTRICT -- WE HAVE HAD IN THE PAST -- THE TREES THAT HAVE COME DOWN IN MY DISTRICT DUE TO GROWTH, DUE TO DEVELOPMENT, AND THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE RIGHT IN. BECAUSE OF DECISIONS MADE IN 2006, I THINK THE IMPACT FEE IS THE WAY TO GO.

DEFINITELY WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

BUT I JUST -- THE DAMAGE THAT HAS BEEN DONE THERE -- THAT'S MY

FEELINGS ON THAT. >>

>> IT'S FOR CAPITAL DOLLAR. S.

NO CONFUSION ON THAT. >> YES.

THAT'S THE SOURCE OF REVENUE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE JAIL AND THE $30 MILLION PRICE TAG, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL MONIES IN TERMS OF FINDING HOME FOR CCSO AS WE ARE DOING THAT.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON ANY OF THE UTILITY TAXES. WE DO HAVE CONSENSUS ON IMPACT FEES. ANYBODY INTERESTED IN THE LOCAL BUSINESS LICENSE? I'LL CALL IT RATHER THAN A TAX.

>> IT SEEMS LIKE MORE WORK AND NOT ENOUGH MONEY COMING OUT OF IT. WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE.

>> AS COMMISSIONER RENNINGER INDICATED, IT'S MORE FOR IDENTIFICATION AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING IN TERMS OF BUSINESS,

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RATHER THAN A REVENUE. >> YEAH, I UNDERSTAND.

I UNDERSTAND, JIM. I DEFINITELY HAVE -- KNOW ABOUT ALL OF THE COMPANIES AND THE PEOPLE WORKING OUT OF THEIR HOMES AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN KNOW WHAT ALL IS

HAPPENING HERE. >> WELL, THE REAL -- MY REAL FOCUS IS ON WHEN WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY.

AND WE HAVE OUTSIDE BUSINESSES COMING INTO THE COUNTY AND PROVIDING SERVICES TO OUR CONSTITUENTS.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHETHER THEY'RE RATED, IF THEY'RE INSURED.

I JUST THINK THAT'S WRONG. I JUST THINK THAT'S WRONG AS A GOVERNING BODY, ALLOWING -- WHICH WE DO.

WE ALLOW ANYBODY TO COME IN AND SERVE OUR CONSTITUENTS.

AND SO, YEAH. IT'S NOT TO GENERATE REVENUE.

IT'S SO WE KNOW AND WE CAN CONTROL WHO, YOU KNOW, TO A DEGREE, WE CAN CONTROL THE BUSINESSES THAT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. AND IT'S -- IT'S A LOT OF WORK.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT. BUT WITHOUT ANY REGULATION,

THAT'S NO WORK AND NO CONTROL. >> IF WE PUT ON THIS LIST AS ALTERNATE REVENUE STREAM. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT

HERE. >> NO.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST ANOTHER FEE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

BUT IT'S REALLY NOT FOR REVENUE. IT'S FOR -- IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT FOR REVENUE. UNLESS YOU RAISE IT TO SOME

UNREASONABLE NUMBER. >> YEAH.

>> ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THINK AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE.

MAYBE WE CAN BRING THAT UP AGAIN AFTER WE DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH ON THAT AND FI -- AND R OUT WHAT IT ENTAILS AND WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE ON BUSINESS. BUT AT THIS POINT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GIVE YOU A CONSENSUS ON THAT ONE.

>> SO IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, THE ONE THAT WE'RE PURSUING IS IMPACT FEES, WHICH SHARISSE SAYS HAS PUT IN HER BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. AND STARTING IN OCTOBER.

SO WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH CONDUCTING THE RFP AND THE STUDY AT THAT POINT IN TIME. OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE?

>> NO, SIR I HAVE ONE CARD. ONE SESSION OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

MINUTES. >> YES.

SEX TOYS AT CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA.

2908 BLANEY BOULEVARD. WE NEED A LIST OF THE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND THE ZONING ON THE WALLS SO CITIZENS CAN SEE THEM WHEN THEY COME TO THE MEETING.

THE ORDINANCE BACK IN THE DAY WAS AT 0% IN FEDERAL COURT, FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS IN CLAY COUNTY. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT.

I'M BRAD TO SEE THE PODIUM IS BACK WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALL ALONG. WE SHOULD ADDRESS THAT LATER.

YES TO THE $100 FOR THE KIDS' SCHOOL SAFETY.

WE SHOULD LOOK AT RAISING THAT FOR EACH HOMEOWNER.

WE NEED THE ZOOM FOR ALL THE PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE MANAGER THAT'S NOT HERE AND MR. BOWLA AND THE CITIZENS TO CALL IN AND SPEAK AT THESE MEETINGS. NO HIGHER MILLAGE RATE.

WE NEED TO ADD A DRUG DOCTOR TO EVERY SCHOOL AND REMOVE FOOTBALL. K-12.

LAST YEAR THERE'S A MASK MANDATE FOR THE KIDS, BUT YET THEY RAN KIDS INTO FOOTBALL. HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSE TO TEACH THEM TO WEAR A MASK WHEN YOU'RE RUNNING INTO EACH OTHER.

IT'S ADULT ENTERTAINMENT BUT NOT AS A LOVING KIND.

$129 MILLION BOND IS BEING REDONE RIGHT NOW.

I'VE BEEN SPEAKING ON THAT FOR A LONG TIME.

TO MRS. CONDON, THE FOUR LANE ON 21 WOULD REDUCE YOUR AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPOKEN.

I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, AS FAR AS HIGHWAY 21 NOT BEING DONE ON THAT LIST. THE BCC DOES NOT TAKE THE DRAINAGE. IT'S NOT A WISH LIST.

THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIRST. AS FAR AS THE JAILS, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TAKING CITIZENS' JOBS AWAY.

AND THEY'RE ALSO STEALING MONEY FROM THE CITIZENS WHEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME.

SO THEY SHOULDN'T BE CHARGED ANY KIND OF FEE AT THE JAIL UNTIL AFTER THEY'VE BEEN CONVICTED. BUILD A DUMP.

THAT WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR THE WORKERS TO ACTUALLY BE, INSTEAD OF IN OUR PARKS, WHERE THEY CAN LEAVE THE CONTRABAND.

WE KNOW HOW THE SHERIFF WAS EVEN GIVING THEM BEER IN THE DAY.

THAT WAS IN THE NEWS. SHERIFF DANIELS' BUDGET -- AND HE WAS FOR KIDS' JAIL. AND HIS BUDGET WAS PROBABLY

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BUT THE OTHER SHERIFF DID A REALLY GOOD JOB HERE CLEANING UP OUR SIDE OF THE COUNTY. WE SHOULD LOOK AT THE FIVE-STAR -- WE SHOULD LOOK AT FIVE-STAR HOTEL DOWNTOWN AND MOVE THE JAIL AND THE COURTHOUSE. IF YOU LOOK AT JACKSONVILLE, LOOK AT THE MESS THEY'VE GOT ON THEIR WATERFRONT.

YOU AIN'T GOT NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT THIS.

14-YEAR-OLD STABBED SOMEBODY 114 TIMES, A CHEERLEADER.

114 TIMES. WE NEED TO START TAKING CARE OF

THE SHERIFF AND WHAT'S GOING ON. >> THANK YOU, MR. HUTTO.

YOUR TIME IS UP. >> THE TRAILS IS WHAT WE NEED TO

GET PEOPLE OFF OF OUR STREETS. >> THANK YOU, MR. HUTTO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, YOUR TIME IS UP, PLEASE. THANK YOU.

YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU.

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COMMISSIONER CANTERBURY -- CONDON, ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?

>> THESE ARE TRYING TIMES. UNCERTAIN TIMES.

WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO GET THROUGH IT.

AND LOOK AHEAD TO THE FUTURE FOR CONSTITUENTS IN CLAY COUNTY AND HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE MUCH BETTER TOMORROW THAN IT IS TODAY.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

THANK YOU ALL. SHERIFF, THANKS FOR HANGING IN THERE. UNDERSHERIFF, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

THANKS TO OUR STAFF FOR HANGING IN THERE.

WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DID TO GET US HERE AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO MOVE FORWARD.

THANK YOU TO ALL OF Y

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