Apr 29, 2021 BCC Workshop

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>> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: GOOD AFTERNOON. BEFORE WE GET STARTED THIS AFTERNOON FOR OUR SPECIAL WORKSHOP ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR BUDGET, WE'LL HAVE OUR INVOCATION AND OUR PLEDGE.

COMMISSIONER RENNINGER WILL START US OUT WITH THE INVOCATION FOLLOWED BY COMMISSIONER CONDON WITH THE PLEDGE. IF YOU ALL RISE, PLEASE. .

>> JIM RENNINGER: DEAR LORD, PLEASE WITH US TODAY AS WE NAVIGATE THE ECONOMICS OF RUNNING A COUNTY. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THE RESOURCES WE NEED.

BUT IN YOUR LOVE, WE SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH TO GET BY FOR THE FUTURE YEARS.

IN YOUR NAME WE PRAY, AMEN >> SPEAKER: AMEN. .

>> BETSY CONDON: I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND

JUSTICE FOR ALL. . >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: PLEASE BE SEATED. I'D LIKE TO OFFICIALLY CALL THIS MEETING OF THE COUNTY

[CALL TO ORDER]

BY THE LOOKS OF THE CROWD HERE AND THE CROWD THAT WE HAD ON TUESDAY AT THE MEETING, I MAY BE PUTTING IN SOME RE UPHOLSTERY FR THE BOARDROOM AS PART OF THE BUDGET HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

SO FIRST THINGS FIRST, ROLL CALL. ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE HERE. AND IN PLACE. AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED WITH OUR NEW BUSINESS, I'D LIKE TO BRING OUR COUNTY MANAGER HOWARD WATT MAKER TO SET THE TABLE IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF THE KINDS OF THINGS WE'LL BE LOOKING TO DO HERE THIS AFTERNOON.

AND -- OH, YOU'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT TO THE PODIUM. ALL RIGHT.

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVER >> SPEAKER: WELL, WHEN I GET INTERVIEWED ALMOST TWO YEARS

AGO, I TAKE THAT BACK. WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHAIRMAN. >> SPEAKER: TWO MINUTES OR

THREE MINUTES? >> SPEAKER: THREE MINUTES. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: WE'LL GIVE

HIM THREE >> SPEAKER: JUST THREE. AND GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OVER THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LIST HERE. WE HAVE THE NEXT THREE YEARS PLANNED OUT, BUT AS DISCUSSED IN PRIOR BOARD MEETINGS, WE'VE GONE OUT TO FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE ASKED EACH ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS INDIVIDUALLY TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT, WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE WITHIN THE LIST.

WE HAVE ADDED THOSE TO THE TABLES THAT YOU'LL SEE THERE. AND YOU EACH SHOULD HAVE A COLORED TABLE. I DON'T WANT TO STEAL ANY OF REGGIE'S THUNDER, THERE'S A MOTIVE TO THE MADNESS WITHIN THE SHEET. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT AS WE'RE IN THE BUDGET SEASON RIGHT NOW, WE'LL SEE SOME KEY INDICATORS HAPPEN HERE, SOME BUDGET DOCUMENTS DUE FROM THE CONSTITUTIONALS HERE IN MAY AT THE BCC MEETING ON TUESDAY.

WE HEARD FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. NO REALLY INSIDE SCOOP YET ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FOR A ABORLORUM. OVERALL WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE O OVERALL REVENUE STREAMS OTHER THAN WHAT ABORLORUM TOO WHAT APPLIES TO THE CIP IN THE OTHER FUNDS THAT ARE OUT THERE. JUST A REMINDER WE'LL LOOK AT THIS AND HOPEFULLY FROM THE INPUT AND THE DISCUSSIONS FROM THE WORKSHOP TODAY, WE'LL BE ABLE TO CREATE THE CIP, TO BALANCE IT, BASED UPON REVENUE STREAMS PREDICTED BY THE DIR AND THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE FROM TALLAHASSEE AND GO FORWARD IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS FROM THIS.

VERY EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT THESE. LOTS OF NEAT EXCITING PROJECTS TO HELP OUT THESE AND THE COUNTY IN MANY OTHER WAYS FROM ANIMAL SHELTERS TO LIBRARIES TO PUBLIC SAFETY EQUIPMENT. AND THAT. SO -- AND FACILITIES.

AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE AGENDA HERE, DEBBIE IS GOING TO COME UP.

WE PUT TOGETHER A NICE KIND OF JUST INTRODUCTORY, SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS WHAT CIP IS ABOUT. TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDING STREAMS. AND THEN KIND OF THE OVERALL HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE EACH YEAR BASED UPON DEBT SERVICE OF THE BONDS AND HOW MUCH MONEY WOULD BE LEFT THERE. AND THEN REG IS GOING TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE TABLES. THEY ARE EYE CHARTS. WE DISCUSSED A LOT ABOUT THIS.

BUT EACH OF YOU SHOULD HAVE THE FINAL EYE CHART IN FRONT OF THAT IS AGAIN COLOR CODED.

YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO SEE OR LOOK N THE SCREEN AT THE NUMBERS THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED.

RACHEL WILL KIND OF KICK THINGS OFF AND THEN ON ITEM NUMBER 4, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ELEMENT, WE'LL HAVE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WILL BE ABOVE THE LINE. AND THEN ITEM NUMBER 5 WILL BE BELOW THE LINE.

YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, AFTER DEBBIE EXPLAINS IT AND THEN WE'LL WRAP IT UP.

AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO SUMMARIZE FOR THAT, WE'LL GO FORWARD FROM THERE.

IN THE BOARDROOM HERE, WE DO HAVE ONE CONSTITUTIONAL -- I BELIEVE THE SHERIFF IS BEHIND ME. I DON'T THINK ANY OOTHER -- NO. WE DID OFFER THAT UP.

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AND THAT CATEGORY ALSO ON THE LAST ONE FOR NUMBER FIVE, IF ANY CONSTITUTIONALS DO SHOW UP THEY CAN ALSO COME UP TO THE PODIUM. FINAL IT WILL PUBLIC CAN GIVE THEIR INPUT TOO, AS TO WHY WE HAVE THIS PUBLIC MEETING AND THE SUNSHINE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME COMMISSION

>> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: WE KNOW YOU'LL BE CLOSE BY, SO THAT WILL BE GOOD.

ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S MOVE AHEAD TO OUR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO UNDER NEW

[1.  Definitions & Funding Sources (D. Sileo)]

IT FROM THERE? >> SPEAKER: YUP. BASICALLY I PUT TOGETHER A LITTLE PRESENTATION. I WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IS. IT BASICALLY IS GENERALLY A LONG TERM TYPE OF PROJECT THAT ENTAILS A COUPLE OF YEARS. ALSO RELATED TO THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY WANTED TO MENTION A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAWHAT WE'RE USING FOR OUR CIP FUNDING CURRENTLY. TODAY'S SESSION IS EARLIER THAN THESE WORKSHOPS HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST SO THAT YOU GET A VIEW OF WHAT WE'RE -- WHAT THE REQUESTS HAVE BEEN. THAT WAY WE CAN KIND OF TAKE THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS BEFORE WE ADOPT THE BUDGET TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHICH ITEMS WE WANT ON OUR CIP PROGRAM.

SO I THE SECOND SLIDE BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT WHAT IS BELOW THE LINE AND WHAT IS ABOVE THE LINE.

ABOVE THE LINE IS ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT FUNDING STREAMS FOR THAT. THE GAS TAX CAN ONLY BE USED FOR THE ABOVE LINE PROJECTS. THE BELOW THE LINE ITEMS ARE ANYTHING THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ON THE THIRD SLIDE, I TALK ABOUT JUST SOME GENERAL IDEAS OF WHAT -- WHAT CONSTITUTES THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. AND, AGAIN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT INCREASES THE USEFUL LIFE OF THE ASSET. IT INCREASES CAPACITY.

AND THEN IT ALSO INCREASES EFFICIENCY. BASED ON THE FUNDING STREAMS, THAT IS HOW WE DETERMINE WHERE AN ITEM IS PLACED WITHIN THE CAPITAL BUDGET OR IF IT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE OPERATING BUDGET. THE NEXT SLIDE I LISTED BRIEFLY SOME OF OUR CIP FUNDING SOURCES, WHICH INCLUDES SALES TAX, SECOND LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT OTHER, WHICH YOU WILL SEE ON A CHART. AND THAT INCLUDES DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTIONS GRANTS, INTERESTS AND TRANSFERS. WE ALSO HAVE IMPACT FEES, THE BOND, AND THEN THE MOBILITY FEE. WE'RE NOT REALLY TODAY GOING TO DISCUSS THE IMPACT FEES OR THE MOBILITY FEE. WE'LL SUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THE BOND.

THEN I HAVE A CHART, WHICH SHOWS YOUR TEN YEARS OF CIP FUNDING STREAMS, WHICH IS YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE SALES SURTAX, YOUR GAS TAX, AND THEN THE OTHER, WHICH I MENTIONED WAS THE GRANTS AND THE AIR FUND TRANSFERS AND CONTRIBUTIONS. THE NEXT SLIDE -- GO AHEAD.

>> SPEAKER: QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. SORRY.

>> SPEAKER: AS I LISTEN TO THE REQUEST -- REQUEST FOR FUNDING, ADDITIONAL FUNDING, MOST OF THE FOLKS ARE REFERRING TO ALL OF THESE -- ALL OF THE GREAT INCREASE IN POPULATION WE'VE GOT PROJECTED. WHAT I DON'T SEE IN ANY OF OUR FORECASTS IS, AS A NEW FAMILY MOVES IN, THEY'RE GOING TO START PAYING TAXES, THEY'RE GOING TO START BUYING STUFF, I DON'T SEE ANYWHERE IN OUR FORECAST, THAT TAKING -- TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. I MEAN, WE'VE GOT -- WE'VE GOT -- WE LOOK AT THE REAL ESTATE PRICES GO UP YEAR AFTER YEAR, THAT'S THE 7%.

WE KNOW -- OR 6.5, WHATEVER WE HAVE. BUT WE DON'T REFLECT THE INCREASE IN THE POPULATION THAT THE SHERIFF AND EVERYBODY ELSE IS USING TO JUSTIFY THE INCREASES IN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND IN THE FUTURE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THAT THAT WORKS IS THAT MONEY ISN'T GOING TO COME ON STREAM UNTIL THOSE PEOPLE MOVED IN.

AND WE'RE BEING ASKED TO PAY FOR THAT OVER HERE BEFORE WE'RE APPRECIATING ANY OF THIS.

SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST WE DO IS LET'S COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF FORECAST OF WHAT THAT INCREASED POPULATION IS GOING TO DO. THAT WAY, WE CAN PUT SOME SENSE IN TO HOW EXPANSIVE WE WANT TO GET AND WHAT THE TIMING OF THE SPENDING MIAMI MIGHT LOOK LIKE.

OBVIOUSLY, IF WE CAN WAIT UNTIL TWO YEARS UNTIL SOMEBODY MOVES IN UNTIL WE PUT ADDITIONAL POLICEMAN OR FIREMAN ON TO SERVICE THEM, THAT WOULD MAKE IT AFFORDABLE FOR US.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. BUT AT LEAST WE WOULD HAVE SOME FEEL FOR REASONABLY -- WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IS A CLASSIC SALES FORECAST

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>> SPEAKER: YES. WHICH WE DO PLAN TO GET INTO FURTHER ONCE WE GET OUR NEW SOFTWARE THAT'S PART OF IT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE ISSUES RIGHT NOW.

>> WAYNE BOLLA, VICE CHAIR: WE NEED IT NOW >> SPEAKER: YES, I KNOW WHAT

YOU'RE SAYING. >> MIKE CELLA, CHAIR: THE OTHER THING, IN TERMS OF CAPITAL, THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN TERMS OF SALES TAX.

YOU MAY BE RIGHT ABOUT THE MOBILITY FEE AND UTILITY FEES, I THINK SOME OF THAT IS ALREADY DONE. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ABORLORUM WORKED IN THE CAPITAL

BUDGET >> SPEAKER: YEAH, I'M TALKING MAINLY ABORLORUM, WHAT WE USE TO

FUND POLICE AND FIRE. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE THERE, IN TODAY'S MEETING I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT POINT, JUST LOOKING AT THE STICKS AND BRICKS

MONIES ARE COMING FROM. >> WAYNE BOLLA, VICE CHAIR: WELL, A LOT OF -- OKAY.

I -- LET'S CARRY ON >> SPEAKER: AND MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MAY REAL QUICK ON IT.

THE FORECAST WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 13 OTHER REVENUE STREAMS THAT WE HAVE, WE DO HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT D.O.R. AND TALLAHASSEE SAYS FOR THE PROJECTIONS.

AND THAT'S WHAT -- THAT IS WHAT REALLY HURT US LAST YEAR TOO. WAS IF YOU REMEMBER, THEY WERE PREDICTING A $5 MILLION DEFICIT IN THOSE REVENUE STREAMS. WE KEEP OF TRACK OF THE REVENUE STREAMS MONTHLY. THEY ARE DELAYED BY TWO MOSS. THEY'RE AS BEST REAL-TIME AS WE CAN GET. THE OTHER NOTE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND ABOUT ABORLORUM. WHEN THE PROPERTY APPRAISER GOINGS OUT AND VALUES THE PARCELS OVER 90,000 PARCELS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, THOSE NEW HOMES THAT ARE THERE ARE INCOR INCORPORATED THAT YEAR. THOSE, AND, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON WHEN THE HOUSE PROPERTY CLOSED BUT THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE 7% IN THAT DELTA FOR YEAR OVER YEAR. SO IT IS BUILT INTO THAT 7%, THOSE NEW PEOPLE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, RIGHT? WHEN YOU CLOSE, YOU PAY YOUR TAXES UP FRONT.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE DUE IN NOVEMBER. THOSE ARE COUNTED IN THERE.

SO I -- JUST TO LOOK AT THAT. BUT, AGAIN, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT.

IF I CAN SAY FOR EVERY HOUSEHOLD THAT MOVES INTO CLAY COUNTY, WE CAN EXPECT THIS DELTA WITHIN THESE REVENUE STREAMS, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE WHAT WE CAN COME UP WITH

>> SPEAKER: I GET THE NEAR TERM STUFF IS DRIVEN BY STATE FORMULAS AND STUFF.

BUT WE'RE GOING OUT TEN YEARS HERE. IT IS A FAIRYTALE, BUT IT IS

BETTER THAN NOTHING, YOU KNOW, >> SPEAKER: SURE. OKAY.

AND ALSO WHEN WE LOOKED AT SALES SURTAX, WE ALSO PROJECTED T TWO -- 2% -- 3%.

SO YOUR SALES SURTAX IS BASED ON YOUR CHART ACTUALLY SHOWS WHAT THE ACTUALS HAVE BEEN.

AND THEN WE'VE GOT THE CURRENT BUDGETED YEAR. WHEN WE GO INTO THE GAS

TAX -- DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> SPEAKER: NO WANT TO PUT IT BACK UP HERE.

>> SPEAKER: THERE WE GO. >> SPEAKER: CAN WE GO BACK ONE SLIDE JUST TO MAKE SURE.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. SO THE SALES SURTAX THAT SUN SETS IN 2039 WHICH WE PAIRED UP WITH THE BOND WHEN WE WENT UP FOR THE BOND SO WE COULD COVER THE BOND.

LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE ESTIMATES AND WE ACTUALLY DID A LITTLE FORECASTING ON THOSE NUMBERS BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE FORMULAS WITH THE STATE.

THE FINAL SLIDE I HAVE, WE TOOK THE SALES SURTAX AMOUNT THAT WE BUDGETED FOR THIS YEAR, WE REDUCED IT BY YOUR DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT AND WE'VE GOT TWO OTHER LEGISLATURES THAT ARE RELATED TO THE -- EXPENDITURES RELATED TO THE BOND. THAT GIVES YOU THE 1$12.2 MILLIN AMOUNT PLACED IN THE CIP. WE THEN ADDED THE LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX AND LEADING INTO THE TOTAL DEPOSITED INTO THE CIP TO COVER YOUR PROJECTS. WE DID FORECAST THAT OUT TO 25, 26. SO THESE ARE BASICALLY WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THE MAIN BULK OF WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HAVE BEEN THE PROJECTS TO BE DISCUSSED. AND REGWILL GO INTO THE DETAILS OF WHAT THE REVENUES WILL GO. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS RIGHT N

NOW? >> SPEAKER: IN TERMS OF THE SALES TAX, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE SALES SURTAX, YOU'RE COUNTING A 3% INCREASE EACH YEAR?

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT IS LOOKING LIKE FROM THE NUMBERS WE GOT FROM THE STATE IN

DECEMBER. . >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: WHAT IS

DRIVING THAT? >> SPEAKER: IT IS HARD TO SAY. >> SPEAKER: IT IS DRIVING -- IT

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>> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW THE STATE FORMULA WORKS?

>> SPEAKER: I THINK IN GENERAL TERMS TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WOULD BE -- YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY FORECAST LIKE -- LIKE ANYONE TRYING TO FORECAST THE FUTURE ON THIS, THEY TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, POPULATION GROWTH WITHIN THE STATE. THEY TAKE A LOOK AAT THE ECONOMC FUTURES, AND THE FUTURES MARKET ON IT. AND THAT.

SO, AGAIN, WHEN IT WENT INTO COVID, THEY HAD ALREADY KIND OF TAKEN A LOOK AT THIS AND THEN THEY HAD TO THROTTLE BACK AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WITH THINGS CLOSING AND THAT, WE WERE GOING TO SEE ABOUT A $5 MILLION HIT. ON THIS ONE HERE, I THINK JUST IN GENERAL THEY'VE DONE THE 3%.

BASED UPON POPULATION AND THAT. ONE THING TO NOTE, THOUGH, ON GAS TAX, WITH THE GREEN INITIATIVES AND MORE ELECTRIC VEHICLES THAT ARE OUT THERE, YOU SAW ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE THAT IT WAS FLAT. AND THERE PROBABLY WILL COME A TIME WHEN IT STARTS TO DECLINE.

AND SO, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF VULNERABILITY. I THINK THE KEY FROM THIS SLIDE IS TO UNDERSTAND WE HAVE 15 MILLION IN THE COMING YEAR AND FIVE YEARS SLOWLY INCREASE TO $18 MILLION. I'M TRYING TO PREDICT THE FUTURE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, I WISH I COULD PREDICT THE STOCK MARKET THAT THING AND OTHER COMMODITIES THAT WAY.

BUT, AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO USE SOUND BUSINESS PRACTICE ON PREDICTIVENESS AND WHERE WE ARE.

. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: COMMISSIONER RENNINGER?

. >> JIM RENNINGER: THE LEGISLATURE IS DECIDING -- THE

SALES INTERNET TAX IS THAT INCLUDED IN HERE OR NOT? >> SPEAKER: NO.

I ACTUALLY LOOKED INTO IT A LITTLE BIT AFTER OUR CONVERSATION AND BASICALLY THE WY -- AND IT IS GOING TO BE EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST. HOWEVER, THEY'RE GOING TO USE THAT INCREASED REVENUE TO WORK WITH THE UNEMPLOYMENT TRUST FUND AND THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO PUT SOME MONEY IN TOWARDS BUSINESS TAX. SO --

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, THEY'RE HOPING TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE SALES TAX ON LEASES FOR

BUSINESSES. >> SPEAKER: RIGHT. SO MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD, AFTER THEY GET THAT SQUARED UP, BUT RIGHT NOW, THAT IS WHAT IT IS LOOKING LIKE.

>> JIM RENNINGER: THANK YOU. . >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: OKAY.

[2.  CIP Tables - Current (R. Kantor)]

REG. WHO IS UP >> SPEAKER: I GUESS I'M UP.

I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A QUICK TOUR OF TWO SHEETS THAT WE HAVE. THE FIRST SHEET IS CURRENT BUDGET. THAT HAS NO COLOR IN IT. BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE NOW, THAT WAS PASSED IN JANUARY. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO FROM THERE. IT IS LAID OUT THE SAME AS THE SHEET THAT HAS THE -- THAT

CONTAINS ALL OF THE REQUESTS >> SPEAKER: THAT'S TABLE 1. LOOKING FOR A PAGE NUMBER.

TABLE ONE. SO THE FIRST SHEET IN BOTH OF THEM IS THE REVENUES AND IT STARTS WITH THE CAS -- TO THE FUND BALANCE. THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT AS THINGS ARE ADD THAT START TO DROP. SO THAT'S WHERE THE FORMULAS WORK INTO.

AS YOU GO INTO THE OUT YEARS AT LEAST IN THE NEW SHEETS YOU'LL SEE A SIGNIFICANT DROP OFF IN WHAT WE HAVE LEFT TO PAY FOR THINGS. WHAT IT DOES IS LAY IN ALL OF THE REVENUES, THE SECOND OPTION, THE GAS TAX, IMPACT FEES COLLECTED IN THERE THE SALES SURTAX, AND TRANSFERS, INTERESTS, EVERYTHING THAT GOES INTO THE FUND.

AND WHAT I LAID IN TOO IS NOT JUST THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, WHICH IS 305, WE ALSO HAVE THE MOBILITY FEE NOW WHICH IS 312 AND THE BOND FUND WHICH IS 320.

SO THERE ARE SEVERAL FUNDS WORKING IN THERE NOW. ALL HAVE THEIR DISTINCT FIELDS GOING INTO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE TO STAY IN THEIR OWN FUNDS. SO -- BUT THE IMPACT IS REALLY MOST THINGS ARE IN THE 305 FUND AND THAT'S THE TOP LINE THERE. AND THAT'S THE LINE I REALLY LOOK AT TO SEE THE IMPACT OF WHEN THINGS ARE ADDED INTO. THE SECOND GROUP IS MORE SPECIFIC TO PROJECTS IN THAT THEY'RE GRANTS, FEDERAL, STATE. THERE'S INTERFUND TRANSFERS THERE, YOU CAN SEE IN THE NOTES WHAT THEY'RE FOR, SUE THEY HAVE SPECIFIC MORTGAGES AND LENGTH OF TIME THEY'LL BE IN THERE. AND THAT WORKS FOR BOTH SETS OF SHEETS.

THE SHEETS AFTER THAT ARE ALL OF THE EXPENSE SIDES OF THINGS. THE FIRST GROUP ON THE EXPENSE SIDE IS THE ABOVE THE LINE TIED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE FIRST GROUP

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[3.  CIP Tables - Proposed (R. Kantor)]

>> SPEAKER: TABLE 2. >> SPEAKER: TABLE 2 PAGE NUMBER 1.

>> SPEAKER: YES. SO THEY'RE GROUPED IN. IN THAT THEY HAVE THE ROPE PROJECTS THERE AND BOND PROJECTS THERE AND THE BOTTOM IS THE MOBILITY PROJECTS.

AND THEN SO ON. THROUGH THE SHEETS WE HAVE BROKEN DOWN INTO YOUR GROUPS OF TRANSPORTATION, PARKS AND REC, ENVIRONMENTAL, PUBLIC SAFETY, PUBLIC WORKS, AND OTHER PROJECTS. NOW, THAT'S THE BASIC SET UP. AND THE NEW SHEETS WHICH HAVE ALL OF THE REQUESTS IN THERE, THE -- MIGHT HAVE THINGS YELLOWED WHICH MEANS THAT IT MEANS SOME SORT OF CHANGE, WHETHER IT IS A CHANGE IN GOING UP, GOING DOWN, WHETHER IT MOVES IN A YEAR. SOME CHANGE THAT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED IN SOME FASHION.

THE GOLD OR THE GOLDENROD, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, APPLIES TO DEVELOPER PROJECTS, AND THAT IS OUR -- THAT IS MONEY THAT DEVELOPERS ARE PUTTING UP FOR

THE PROJECTS THEMSELVES TO BUILD THEM >> SPEAKER: I'M SORRY.

WHAT PAGE IS THAT? >> SPEAKER: WELL -- >> SPEAKER: IT DOESN'T LOOK

FAMILIAR TO ME ON MINE. >> SPEAKER: WELL, IN THE NEW SHEET.

IT IS IN THE REVENUE. AND IT IS ALSO ON THE FIRST SHEET OF THE EXPENSES.

>> SPEAKER: WHAT PAGE IS THAT ON? >> SPEAKER: TABLE ONE.

>> SPEAKER: TABLE NUMBER ONE HAS -- >> SPEAKER:

>> SPEAKER: SO TABLE ONE REQUESTED. I HAVE THE NUMBERS CHANGING AND

THERE'S -- IT IS LABELLED IN YELLOW. >> AND THEN I HAVE THE GOLD WHICH IS THE DEVELOPER THINGS. THE BLUE IS THE BONDED PROJECTS. AND YOU CAN SHOW A SEPARATE SPEND DOWN THERE OF THAT, SIMILAR TO THE FIRST LINE FOR THE FUND 305.

BUT THAT JUST APPLIES IF 1320 WHICH IS YOUR BONDED PROJECTS. THEN THE SECOND GROUPS HAS YOUR TRANSFERS AND YOUR GRANTS FROM THE FED AND THE STATE AS OTHER REVENUE SOURCES.

ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, AGAIN, THE SAME COLOR CODING, IF IT IS GOLD, IT IS THE DEVELOPER PROJECTS, IF IT IS YELLOW, IT IS A NUMBER THAT IS CHANGING. IF IT IS BLUE, YOU CAN SEE IT IS BONDED STUFF. BONDED PROJECTS. AND THOSE NUMBERS HAVE BEEN RECONFIGURED BY THE PROJECT MANAGER. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE CHANGING. THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS STILL THE SAME. AND -- BUT IT IS JUST HOW HE IS SEEING THE SPEND IS GOING TO BE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. AND THEN THE GOLD IS THE DEVELOPERS.

AND THEN AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SHEET AS YOU GET INTO THE SEPARATE AREAS OF THE TRANSPORTATION AND THE PARKS AND REC, YOU GET DOWN TO A LINETA IS PURPLE THAT WILLING THE ENTERPRISE FUND, SOLID WASTE, AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STREAM THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE FULLY FUNDED THROUGH THEIR USER FEES, THAT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND. SO THAT'S -- THEY'RE IN THEIR OWN AREA FOR WHAT IS GETTING FUNDED FOR THEM. AND THEN DOWN ON PUBLIC SAFETY, JUST TO DIFFERENTIATE THINGS THAT ARE SHARE OF -- SHERIFF VERSUS OTHER PUBLIC SAFETY.

THE SHERIFF SIDE IS IN GREEN THE COUNTY SIDE IS YELLOW. A LOT OF THINGS ARE CHANGING OR NEW. THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE SHARE WITH THE SHERIFF I MADE THOSE GREEN AS WELL. LIKE THE TRAINING FACILITY OR THE GUN RANGE.

SO I JUST MADE IT GREEN. ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SHERIFF I MADE IT GREEN.

AND THEN AS YOU GO THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHER PROJECTS, IT IS JUST THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO CHANGE OR NEW PROPOSALS. SOMETHING NEW, THEN WHAT WE HAD IN JANUARY.

SO THAT'S THE SHEET ALL WORKS. ANOTHER THING TO LOOK AT IS ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, THERE'S A COLUMN CALLED FUNDING CODE ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE THAT KIND OF TELLS YOU WHAT THE FUNDING SOURCE WOULD BE, WHETHER WE CAN FUND IT OR NOT, IT TELLS YOU WHAT WOULD BE USING TO FUND IT.

IN MOST CASES IT IS A STATE -- IT IS THE SALES SALES SURTAX, WHICH IS INDICATED WITH AN ST. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE MOST THINGS HAVE AN ST ASSIGNED TO THEM.

IF IT IS FG, IT IS A FEDERAL GRANT. IF IT IS AN SG, IT IS A STATE GRANT. WE HAD A COUPLE OF IF, WHICH IS IMPACT FEES, FOR OLDER THINGS.

MOST THINGS ARE AN ST, WHICH IS THE SALES SURTAX. SO THAT'S THE SHEETS.

SO AS THINGS MOVE AROUND AS I GET DIRECTION FROM THIS MEETING, THEN I'LL BE ABLE TO PARK THINGS

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SO EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A COLUMN FOR THE YEARS 6 THROUGH 10, I'M NOT LOOKING TO BALANCE THOSE.

BUT IF I CAN BALANCE OUT THE 26, THEN WE'RE GOLDEN. SO -- BUT IT IS GOING TO TAKE

SOME -- >> SPEAKER: SOME WORK. >> SPEAKER: SOME WORK TO GET

THERE. . >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: SO WHAT YOU MAY WANT TO DO, AS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT TABLE ONE, RIGHT AT THE TOP THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT REGGIE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FUND IN YELL P YELLOW AND IF YOU STRETCH IT PASS 23, 24, WE'RE 5 MILLION IN THE HOLE THERE. AND 16 MILLION IN THE HOLE IN 24, 25 AND 20 MILLION IN THE WHOLE IN 25/26. THE ONLY REASON WE'RE IN THE HOLE IS BECAUSE ALL OF THE PROJECTS WE RECOMMENDED TO THE COUNTY MANAGER GOT PUT IN THE BUDGET. AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THOSE OUT OR STRETCH THEM BACK TO A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME SO WE CAN GET DOWN TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE NOT IN THE NEGATIVE OR THE REVENUE CLIMBS SO THAT WE CAN PAY FOR WHATEVER PROJECTS.

>> AT SOME POINT THE REVENUES WILL MEET. >> CONSIDER --.

>> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD THAT, WE'RE NOT COMMITTED TO THAT NUMBER. IF WE HAD SOMEBODY HIT THE POWERBALL AND DECIDED TO DROP 20 MILLION IN THAT'S WHERE WE WOULD PUT IT SO WE CAN DO ALL OF OUR PROJECTS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BALANCE THAT OUT. YOU CAN SEE THE GAS TAX REVENUE RIGHT BELOW THERE, THE GAS TAX RECEIPTS ARE PRETTY FLAT. AT SOME POINT AS THE COUNTY MANAGER INDICATED, WE'LL PROBABLY DECREASE BECAUSE OF THE IMPROVING ECOLOGY IN TERMS OF THE CARS, ELECTRIC CARS. SO THAT WILL WEIGH OFF -- THAT WILL ACTUALLY BALANCE OFF THE INCREASE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE COUNTY BUYING GAS. GO AHEAD COUNTY MANAGER

>> SPEAKER: AND MR. CHAIRMAN, REAL QUICK ON THIS. AND I THINK WHAT Y'ALL CAN KIND OF GET A GOOD RESPECT OF, YOU HAVE FIVE PAGES IN FRONT OF YOU. THE FIRST PAGE, PAGE 1, IS THE REVENUE REVENUES, BOTTOM LINE. THE OTHER FOUR ARE THE EXPENSES.

TABLE 1 IS NOT NUMBERED AND THEN TABLE 2 IS 1 THROUGH 4. WHAT I WANT TO POINT OUT AND CHAIRMAN YOU SET ME UP PERFECTLY ON THIS ONE ON THE NEGATIVES OR WOULD WE GO INTO THE HOLE HERE.

REMEMBER, WE'RE IN A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY WITH REGARDS TO CARES ACT.

THE AMERICAN RECOVERY FUND. OKAY? AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE TAX THAT IS COMING UP IN GRANTS THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE COMING UP HERE. I'M LOOKING STRAIGHT ACROSS THE TABLE AT TROY. HE AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS. SO IT -- IT IS A DIYNAMIC SITUATION. I CAN TRY TO SPREAD OUT THE PROJECT OVER FISCAL YEARS.

OR I CAN SEE HOW I'M ABLE TO USE FUNDS FROM THE AMERICAN RECOVERY OR CARES ACT OR THESE OTHER ONES THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP HERE AND HOW I CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

ONE PRIME EXAMPLE WOULD BE A LOT OF FOCUS ON GREEN. YOU KNOW, AS I LOOK AT THE FLEET, IF I CAN USE ELECTRIC VEHICLES IN HOUSE FOR FLEET IN SOME WAY, I'M GOING TO COME TO YOU AS THE BOARD TO MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS ON THAT. SO I THINK IT IS A VERY DYNAMIC ON THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND, IT IS NEGATIVE BASED UPON THE CURRENT FUNDING THAT DEBBIE BRIEFED IN THAT.

AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE MAY HAVE HERE MOVING FORWARD.

. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: COMMISSIONER RENNINGER.

>> JIM RENNINGER: BY FLORIDA STATUTE OUR BUDGET HAS TO BE BALANCED.

DOES THE CIP HAVE TO BE BALANCED? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

>> JIM RENNINGER: BY STATUTE >> SPEAKER: YES. >> JIM RENNINGER: THERE'S SO MANY THINGS, INFRASTRUCTURE COMING DOWN THE LINE AND GRANTS IN GENERAL.

OKAY. >> SPEAKER: HOW FAR OUT DOES IT HAVE TO BE BALANCED?

>> SPEAKER: FIVE. JUST THE CIP, NOT THE OPERATING. >> SPEAKER: AND AS I THINK IT WAS DEBBIE THAT MENTIONED THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE NUMBERS CAN CHANGE.

IT IS SORT OF A LIVING ORGANISM IN TERMS OF WE GET A GRANT FOR $5 MILLION TO PAY FOR A PROJECT.

AND THEN WE CAN PUT THAT PROJECT BACK IN AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT $5 MILLION, OBVIOUSLY.

MORE UNCLE SAM SCRATCHES OFF THAT LOTTERY TICKET AND DROPS $42 MILLION CHECK AND THEN WE CAN DETERMINE WHERE THAT GOES. QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK IT WILL HELP AND MAYBE IT IS PREMATURE, I THINK IT WOULD HELP US IN TERMS OF DECIDING WHAT PROJECTS TO PROVE PRIORITY ON, AS TO WHERE WE CAN SPEND THAT MONEY OR NOT SPEND THAT MONEY, RIGHT? I THINK THAT WOULD HELP US.

DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION JUST YET? NO?

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>> SPEAKER: SIR, THE PROBLEM IS TTHAT THEY HAVEN'T RELEASED THA GUIDANCE, THEY'RE -- THEY RELEASED THE SAME THING, THE CARES ACT, THERE'S THREE BIG BULLET POINTS, MUST BE SOMEHOW RELATED TO COVID, HAS TO BE SENT -- SPENT BEFORE DECEMBER 31ST, 2024.

AND THERE WAS A THIRD -- OH, CANNOT GO TO A PITCHING PLAN THAT CAN BE USED TO REPLACE POTENTIALLY REPLACE REVENUE IF LOST REVENUE DUE TO COVID. SO WE STILL DON'T KNOW.

BUT I THINK THE PATH YOU'RE ON, IS DECIDE WHICH PROJECTS YOU WANT IN AND WHAT YEARS AND AS THE COUNTY MANAGER SAID, WE CAN COME BACK AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN FOR THAT AND SOME OF IT MOVES OUT AND YOU USE IT FOR THAT FUNDING

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS UP TO THIS POINT? ALL RIGHT. SO I GUESS WE'LL MOVE THROUGH TO THE VARIOUS PROJECTS.

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SO DO WE HAVE -- >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. WE'LL HELP YOU HERE, WE'VE GOT A

POWER POINT. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: OKAY >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, FIRST UP, WILL BE RICHARD. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, IF YOU GO TO PAGE 1 OF TABLE NUMBER 2, JUST IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS -- AND THIS WOULD BE ANYTHING THAT IS ABOVE THAT BLUE LINE THAT STARTS OFF WITH ATLANTIS DRIVE AND ENDS WITH THE 220 QUADDED INTERSECTION, I WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS RICHARDS ON THIS. AND ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS AS WE MOVE ALONG, YOU CAN SAY OR THIS MAY SPUR A THOUGHT TO SAY, CAN WE ADD A PARTICULAR ROAD OR

SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEUX >> SPEAKER: BASICALLY THE FIRST EIGHT PROJECTS I'M RICHARD SMITH COUNTY ENGINEER. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ANY

PARTICULARS? . >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: GIVE ME A 10,000 FOOT VIEW HERE. WHAT IS THIS FIRST BUDGET PROJECTS REPRESENT?

WHY ARE THEY GROUPED TOGETHER? >> SPEAKER: OH, THESE ARE CURRENTLY FUNDED PROJECTS, YOU'LL KNOW ATLANTIS DRIVE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW WITH A BUDGET OF 4.0610 MILLION PARTIALLY FINISHED THIS FISCAL YEAR AND FIRST QUARTER OF NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

2018 EXTENSION IS A CONTRIBUTION FROM THE IMPACT FEE WE'RE PROJECTING IN 23/24

>> SPEAKER: WHY IS THAT A CHANGE, THOUGH? THAT IS LISTED AS A CHANGE?

>> SPEAKER: YOU WANT ME TO TAKE IT OUT? >> SPEAKER: WELL --

>> SPEAKER: PREVIOUSLY IT WAS PUT IN AS THE TOTAL OF THE DEVELOPER ASSET.

AND IT -- IT IS A COMBINED EFFORT BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE COUNTY.

SO IT IS LOOKING TO BE ABOUT $2 MILLION THE COUNTY WILL BE ASSISTING IN FINISHING OFF THE

PROJECT >> SPEAKER: WHAT WAS IT BEFORE. >> SPEAKER: THE TOTAL DEVELOPER

AMOUNT. >> SPEAKER: IT IS A $10 MILLION PROJECT.

>> SPEAKER: I CAN HELP A LITTLE BIT. 2018 EXTENSION IS AN IMPACT FEE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE REINHOLD CORPORATION. AND WITH THAT AGREEMENT, HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING THE 218 EXTENSION. THERE'S A SIDE PART OF THAT WITH THE D.O.T. FOR THE ACTUAL INTERCHANGE. AS PART OF THAT, HE HAS TO BUILD THE ENTIRE INTENTION BUT WE'RE CONTRIBUTING, WE BEING THE COUNTY, TO 2 MILLION OF IT.

HE CAN CONTRIBUTE THE FIRST 7 MILLION. WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TOO.

AND IF IT GOES OVER THE 9 MILL WHY WHY YOU -- MILLION, HE HAS TO

CONTRIBUTE THE REST TO COMPLETE IT >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

IT IS LISTED HERE AS CHANGE. WAS IT LESS THAN 2 MILLION BEFORE OR --

>> NO. IT WAS LISTED AS A 9 MILLION. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE GOAL WHERE IT WAS LISTED AS 9. THAT WAS THE WHOLE ENTIRE FUND. BUT WE ALWAYS CONTRIBUTED 2

>> SPEAKER: WE ALWAYS HAD TO CONTRIBUTE 2. >> SPEAKER: ALWAYS.

YES. >> SPEAKER: IF I MAY, IN YOUR PACKETS YOU DON'T NEED TO LOOK AT IT. BUT I HAVE PAGE 1 OF THE ORIGINAL VOTED ON IN JANUARY.

UNDER THAT COLUMN, IT SAID 10 MILLION. IN THE NOTE SECTION IT SAID DEVELOPER PROJECT, COUNTY PAYING 2 MILLION. WHAT REG DID WAS JUST PUT THE 10 MILLION IN THERE, TO ACCOUNT FOR THE EXPENSE NOT THE EXPENSE THAT WAS THERE.

AS COURTNEY POINT OUT IN THIS AGREEMENT, LEGALLY WHAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

AND IF IT IS OVER THAT AMOUNT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING FOR THAT

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, SIR. >> SPEAKER: THE GOLD COLORED THAT 9 MILLION IS AN AMOUNT THAT IS BEING DISTRIBUTED BY THE DEVELOPER. AND AS COURTNEY MENTIONED HERE, IT IS AN ESTIMATE. IT COULD BE EVEN MORE THAN THAT. BUT HE'S GOING TO RESPONSE -- OUR PORTION OF IT $2 MILLION. YES, SIR?

>> SPEAKER: WHEN WE EXPECT COMPLETION ON THIS? 24?

>> SPEAKER: YES. THIS IS THE WESTERN HALF THIS CONNECTS 23 TO 218 APPROXIMATELY A MILE AT SHADOW ELEMENTARY, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA. .

>> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: SO YOU WANT ME TO GO ON DOWN THE LIST? OR DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. 315C IS COMPLETE.

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AND WE'LL BE GETTING REIMBURSED BY THE FLORIDA D.O.T. 100% ON THAT.

THE WEST SIDE ACCESS ROAD AND 23 FRONTAGE ROADS ARE BOTH D.O.T. GRANTS.

WEST SIDE ACCESS ROAD IS OVER NEAR THE HAVEN WOOD AREA MR. BOLL LA.

IT IS DESIGNED TO TAKE SOME RELIEF AND GIVE THOSE RESIDENTS THE ABILITY TO GO NORTH SOUTH WITHOUT HAVING TO GET ON ATLANTIS -- ON CHALLENGER I MEAN.

AND THE FRONTAGE ROAD IS WHAT I LIKE -- IT IS A COMBINATION. IT IS OAKLEY PLANTATION PARKWAY EXTENSION. CHEST WEEKS OAKS. THE IT IS WEST -- THE BEGINNING

OF CHESS WEAK OAKS AS IT GOES TO BLACK KROOEN CREEK AREA >> SPEAKER: THAT'S THE

DEVELOPERS FUNDED PIECE, RIGHT? >> SPEAKER: NO, THAT'S THE D.O.T. FUNDED PIECE.

THAT WILL BE ABOUT THE FIRST HALF MILE AND THEN WE CONNECT IN TO DEVELOP FUNDED PIECES RIGHT AS WELL ALREADY GRANTED AS WELL AS SOME ROADWAYS BEING PERMITTED NOW AS WE SPEAK.

THROUGH CAMERON OAKS AND THE NEXT FEW PROJECTS >> SPEAKER: SO RICHARD, ARE WE SORT OF -- WELL, OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE GIVING US THE MONEY, BUT WE'RE LEADING THE EFFORT THERE IN TERMS OF GETTING IT DESIGNED AND ENGINEERED AND ALL OF THAT STUFF MOVING FORWARD.

WHERE ARE WE WITH THEM. WE'RE COMPLETING THE DIVERGENT INTERCHANGE AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER ON THE FIRST MILE OF ALIGNMENT. FROM THERE EAST, GETTING CLOSER TO BACK CREEK, THAT ALIGNMENT HAS BEEN DETERMINED WITH SOME PROJECTS IN THE KENDALL WOOD AREA THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT AND RIGHT AWAY BEEN RESERVED.

WE DIDN'T GO INTO A COUPLE OF BROTHERS, SPENCER BROTHERS TRACKS.

THAT ALIGNMENT IS UNDER DESIGN AND PLANNING NOW. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

>> SPEAKER: THE BLANDING, THE NEXT TWO COUNTY ROAD 220 PROJECTS WE HOPE TO HAVE THE QUADRANT INTERSECTION UNDER COMPLETE IN NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THE BLANDING BOULEVARD TO HENLEY, THAT KIND OF IS AN OVERALL THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNTY ENGINEER PUT IN TO ASSIST IN FINDING THE QUAD DRANLTD INTERCHANGE. AND THEN THE BLUE YOU HAVE MORE 220 PROJECTS THE BACK TON PROJECT. A COMMITMENT FROM FLORIDA D.O.T.

TO DO A STUDY INITIAL STUDIES FROM MIDDLEBURG HIGH SCHOOL UP TO BAXLY ROAD.

THAT'S UNDERWAY AS WELL. IT IS NOT REFLECTED HERE WITH THE REAL NUMBER.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. SO THAT 4 MILLION IS THE MONEY WE PUT IN.

SO IS STATE ROAD 21 TO HENLEY WHERE IS THE 4 MILLION WE HAD TO FIGHT SO HARD TO -- WAS AWARDED TO US BUT IT DID NOT HAVE CONSTRUCTION INCLUDED IN IT AND WE CAME BACK AND GOT IT APPROPRIATED AGAIN. IS THAT IN THE BLUE BOX OR IS THAT STILL --

>> SPEAKER: IS IT THERE OR IS IT THE NIGHTLY THE HEN -- HENLEY THE NIGHT BOX SECTION?

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, IT IS THE CR2 QUADRANT INTERSECTION. >> SPEAKER: QUADRANT

INTERSECTION. >> SPEAKER: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: WHICH WE'RE ALREADY -- THAT'S ALREADY BEING USED IN CONNECTION WITH THE PONDS.

>> SPEAKER: YES, THAT'S UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW. AND WE'LL BE PUTTING OUT AN RFP IN CONNECTION WITH THE DESIGN OF THAT. IN THIS FISCAL YEAR WITH

CONSTRUCTION I WOULD THINK WE BEGIN OCTOBER. >> SPEAKER: SO AND MAYBE I'M LOOKING AT THIS THE WRONG WAY BUT THE 4 MILLION, THAT CAME FROM THE STATE.

SHOULD THAT BE REFLECTED IN THE COMMENTS. IT SAYS BUDGET IN FULL CARRY OVER TO COMPLETION. BUT IF THAT IS -- IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IS STATE MONEY,

THAT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED THERE. >> SPEAKER: AND MR. CHAIRMAN, ON IT, THERE ARE TWO ITEMS IN QUESTION. THE FIRST ONE, COUNTY ROAD 220 BLANDLY TO HENLEY THAT IS A STATE GRANT SG4 MILLION TOTAL, $2 MILLION IS OUR MATCH TO THE -- THE NEXT LINE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND, AGAIN, IT GETS A BIT CONFUSING ON THIS.

A QUADRANT OF 220, QUADRANT INTERSECTION, $4 MILLION FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR, BUDGET IN FULL AND CARRIED OVER TO COMPLETION. I THINK WHAT RICHARD IS ALLUDING TO, IS YOU ALSO HAVE DOWN IN THE BLUE BOX SECTION. AND WE'LL HAVE ED COME UP AND TALK ABOUT HIS SPEND OR WHAT I CALL THE BURN RATE EACH FISCAL YEAR FOR THE PROJECTS BUT YOU ALSO HAVE COUNTY ROAD BA BACKLY -- BAXLEY TO HENLEY INVOLVED HERE. LOTS INVOLVED IN THAT ADDRESS

>> SPEAKER: WHAT IS GT AGAIN? >> SPEAKER: GT IS GAS TAX. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

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ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RICHARD? >> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET ED TEND DOOR UP -- ED

TEND DOOR UP. DENDOR UP -- ED DENDOR UP. >> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, BOARD, COMMISSIONER, ED DENDOR. A LITTLE DISCUSSION ON THE BLUE AREA, I LOVE THE COLOR BUT THOSE ARE BOND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS ALL OF THESE FUNDED THROUGH THE BONDS FUNDS.

NONE OF THE PROJECTS HAVE CHANGED. A LITTLE BIT INTELLIGENCE ON THE FUTURE FORECAST, IF YOU WOULD. LOOKING AT THE CASH FLOW PROJECT PRIOR.

MORE LINEAR IN PROJECTION BASICALLY AN ESTIMATE, IF YOU WOULD.

OBVIOUSLY PUT A LOT MORE EFFORT INTO THAT. LOOKING AT THE DESIGN, THE CONSTRUCTION, WHEN IT WILL ACTUALLY OCCUR AS WELL AS PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND SCHEDULE INTELLIGENCE AS WELL OF WHEN THE ITEMS WOULD OCCUR. WE HAVE MORE DETAIL SCHEDULED TO GO WITH THAT. CURRENTLY ALSO THE PROJECTIONS ARE, I'D SAY, A LITTLE BIT LESS MORE CONSERVATIVE. BROUGHT ON BOARD LAST YEAR AS OF COURSE A PFM WHO IS MANAGING THE BOND FUNDS WORKING WITH BUDGETING FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO BEST MANAGE THAT MONEY LATER YEARS. SO WE'RE NOT TYING IT UP BASICALLY SITT

DO BETTER FOR THE INTEREST. >> SPEAKER: OVERALL THE SAME BUT THE ACTUAL CASH FLOW WAS NOW

REAL. >> SPEAKER: YES. A LITTLE MORE REAL, I THINK.

THE COUNTY MANAGER MENTIONED IT IS GOING TO BE DYNAMIC AS WELL AS WE CONTINUE TO BID OUT THE WORK, BOTH FROM A DESIGN CONSTRUCTION PERSPECTIVE. WE'LL -- AND ALSO RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITIONS, WE'LL HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF, AGAIN, EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW IS ESTIMATED. AS WE START GETTING THE REAL NUMBERS IN FOR WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SPEND AND PROJECT THEM OUT. IT IS DYNAMIC THAT WE JUST ACT

MONTHLY AND CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT ON A MONTHLY BASIS. >> MR. CHAIR, IF I MAY TOO.

ED CAN ANSWER YOU, THE FINANCE AND AUDIT THIS COMING TUESDAY HE'LL BRING YOU 218, PROJECT NUMBER 1. AND HE CAN ANSWER, I'M SURE EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW

WHAT IS IT GOING TO CAST >> SPEAKER: GOT TO WAIT UNTIL TUESDAY TO GET THERE.

NO, ACTUALLY, WE'RE FORTUNATE THROUGH, AGAIN, I THINK IF YOU FOLKS REMEMBER, WE WERE ABLE TO TRY TO GET A TWO WEEK EXTENSION TO SEE IF WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER PRICING, ACTUALLY COMING 12.6 UNDER BUDGET OR 844,000 UNDER BUDGET. THAT'S THE DESIGN CONSTRUCTION.

RIGHT AWAY IS LOOKING FAIR AS WELL. I DON'T WANT TO COUNT MY CHICKENS BEFORE THEY HATCH BUT LOOKING FROM THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATES AND PROJECTIONS LAST

YEAR, WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS WITH OUR BIDS THAT ARE COMING IN >> SPEAKER: AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY. SO THEN THE NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE, WE HAVE MULTIPLE SAVINGS WITHIN THESEN PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD BE -- THE SEVEN PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD BE COMING TO THE BOARD TO DISCUSS OTHER TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. ED WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT BRIEFLY? AGAIN WE'RE KIND OF COUNTING CHICKENS BEFORE THEY'RE HATCHED HERE A BIT. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.

AND ED CAME TO ME ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND WE DISCUSSED LET'S WAIT UNTIL THE FIRST BID COMES IN.

AND I THINK HE CAN OPEN THAT DISCUSSION, IF THE BOARD DOESN'T MIND ON THIS

>> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. TO THE POINT, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE BOND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS AFTER BUILDING 40 PLUS PROJECTS THE LAST 20 YEARS, IT IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BONDS WHERE YOU HAVE TO SPEND AT OR MORE WHERE THE BONDS ARE. IN MY PROFESSION, IT IS HIGH QUALITY AND DONE SAFELY AND THE FOUR LEGGED STOOL. BUT SINCE WE HAVE TO INTEND AT BUDGET, WE STARTED OUR DISCUSSIONS EARLY ON ABOUT CALLING IT A SAFETY NET.

WHAT THE SAFETY NET, IS WHAT PROJECTS WE MAY BE ABLE TO ADD IF IN FACT THINGS DO CONTINUE TO COME IN UNDER BUDGET. WE CAN'T COME IN THE FINAL HOUR YEAR THREE, FOUR AND A HALF AND SAY, YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE $10 MILLION PROJECT. IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

NOW IS TIME TO LOOK DOWN RANGE, THREE, FOUR YEARS, TO SAY WHAT CAN WE ADD? WE HAD A REALLY GOOD WORKING SESSION THIS MORNING WITH THE PROJECT TEAM.

THIS IS ONE OF THE COMPONENTS WE DISCUSSED. AND THROUGH THE WHOLE DISCUSSION AS IT WERE A COMPONENT OF THE DISCUSSION WAS BECAUSE OF THE DYNAMIC FORECAST, WE'LL CALL IT, WHAT COULD CAUSE THINGS TO GO UP. INCREASING COSTS AS WELL HAS COME DOWN. THERE'S A MULTITUDE EVERY BOARD MEETING YOU KIND OF HEAR WHETHER IT IS LABOR COMMODITIES, SO MUCH AS A PIPE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF PIPE IN THESE PROJECTS WE CAN'T LOOK AT PIPES WE'RE LOOKING AT WAYS TO BUY COMMODITIES OF AHEAD OF TIME.

WHICH IS THE LOVE OF THE PROGRAM THAT WE SET UP. SAYING ALL OF THAT, I DON'T WANT

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NOT JUST THIS IS THE PROJECT I WANT TO DO AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO IT? WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO THE BOORNLD YOU VOTE ON IT AND A WRIFRN DECREE OF WHAT YOU WANT TO ADD. THE LAST THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THAT IS GAUGING DOWNSTREAM IN OUR CRYSTAL BALANCE. I CALL IT BOTTOM STREAMERS OR TOP DOLLAR.

TOP DOLLAR $10 MILLION OR $10,000 OPPORTUNITY. I FAIR IT $10,000 STILL GOOD.

EACH ONE OF THOSE PRESENT A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. AGAIN, THE BIGGER CHALLENGE THE BIGGER CHALLENGE HAD WE HAVE TO SPEND IT IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME

>> SPEAKER: VERY GOOD. >> SPEAKER: WHAT QUALIFIES TO BE APP.

>> SPEAKER: MORE -- >> SPEAKER: CAPITAL PROJECT CAPACITY DRIVEN.

WHEN WE'RE HAVING BRAINSTORMING SESSIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT HE CAN EASILY TIE INTO A CURRENT BONDED PROJECT. YOU KNOW DO ADDITIONAL WORK ON 315 OR THE BLACK SLAIN THERE AT

320. JUST THE WORK THAT TIES IN >> SPEAKER: IT HAS TO ALWAYS BE

TRANSPORTATION RELATED? >> SPEAKER: YES. THE PREVIOUS BOARD MADE THAT

CLEAR IN BONDING >> SPEAKER: BUT THERE'S NO -- THERE'S NO PENALTY FOR

PREPAYING THE BOND DOWN, THOUGH. >> SPEAKER: YES. YOU CAN'T PAY IT FORGET HOW MAN

YEARS. IT IS QUITE A CHUNK IS IT 15. >> AFTER SO MANY --

>> SPEAKER: I THINK IT IS 15. >> SPEAKER: DO YOU REMEMBER AMY?

>> SPEAKER: I DON'T REMEMBER. >> SPEAKER: I'LL LOOK IT UP. I HAVE IT

>> SPEAKER: WHAT IS THE RATE ON THE BOND? >> SPEAKER: IT IS CHEAP.

BUT >> SPEAKER: COULD WE DO SOMETHING LIKE CHESS WOOD OAKS AN INCREASED CAPACITY THERE OR DOES IT HAVE TO TIE INTO THE ROADS.

>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. THE PROBLEM WITH CHESS WOOD OAKS EXCEEDED ANY OF THE

POSSIBILITIES -- WE COULDN'T START IT OR -- >> SPEAKER: YEAH.

SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WERE ALSO IF THERE'S A WAY, LET'S JUST SAY IF WE END UP WITH A REASONABLE, SAY HALF MILLION, IT IS A LOT OF MONEY DON'T GET ME WRONG.

BUT THAT WOULD BE A SIZABLE SEAT TO GET A LARGE PROJECT DESIGNED TO WHERE YOU MAYBE COME IN AND

LOOK AT 6 OR 7 AND ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO THAT CONSTRUCTION >> SPEAKER: A MILLION AND A

HALF CAN DO A WHOLE LOT IN MY DISTRICT. >> SPEAKER: TRUST ME, I GET IT.

>> WE DON'T HAVE CURBS AND SIDEWALKS AND ALL OF THAT FUN STUFF.

>> SPEAKER: AGAIN, CAPACITY REL RELATED.

IT DEPENDING ON WHERE IT IS AT AND WHAT CONSTRUCTION, BIKE LANES, SIDEWALKS AND, YOU KNOW,

THERE GOES THE PROJECT >> SPEAKER: THIS IS HOW WE GOT TO FIELD OF DREAMS AND A WHOLE MYRIAD OF OTHER ISSUES EARLY ON IN MY TENURE, WE HAD $20 MILLION LEFT OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS BOND PROJECT. AND NOBODY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO SPEND IT.

SO WE JUST ASK THE PUBLIC, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON? WE WERE LOOKING AT A WHOLE DIFFERENT AMOUNT OF PROJECTS THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD'VE NEVER STARTED TO THINK ABOUT. IF WE'VE GOT REAL STUFF TO SPEND THE MONEY ON, GREAT.

IF WE CAN'T, LET'S PAY OFF THE BOND >> SPEAKER: RATHER THAN

BRINGING AN UMBRELLA TO HIDE UNDER. >> SPEAKER: YOU CAN PAY THE BOND OFF AND WE'LL HAVE LESS INTEREST AND HAVE MORE MONEY AT THE END OF THE DAY TO BUILD NEW

PROJECTS WITH. >> SPEAKER: SO IN RESPONSE TO THAT QUESTION BOND COUNCIL HAD ADVISED THAT THEY CANNOT BE VOLUNTARILY REPAID UNTIL 2029. IF WE HAVE FUNDS REMAINING AFTER COMPLETING THE PROJECTS WE DO NOT WISH TO SPEND ON ANOTHER QUALIFYING PROJECT WE CAN DEPOSIT THE EXCESS FUNDS IN AN ELSE SCENARIO FUND AND HOLD THEM UNTIL 2029.

>> SPEAKER: THAT .1% IN -- >> SPEAKER: THE BOND IS ONLY AT 2.1 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> SPEAKER: I KNOW. WHEN YOU PUT IT IN A ESCROW ACCOUNT AT .1 --

>> SPEAKER: I THINK YOU HAVE TO LOOK BACK. BECAUSE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT VERY ISSUE IN TERMS OF EXCESS BOND MONEY. THE BOARD ITSELF FELT IF WE WERE TAKING IT OUT TO DO ROADS AND TRANSPORTATION, THAT'S WHERE MY SAVINGS HAS TO BE PUT BACK INTO ROADS. THAT'S WHY WE TOOK IT OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, THE BOARD COULD CHANGE THAT IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BOND HOLDER AND BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT. BUT MY FEELING IS -- AND THE BOARD AT THE TIME -- I THINK WE VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO PUT IT INTO ROADS.

SO THAT'S FINE WITH ME, AS FAR AS THAT IS CONCERNED. ANYTHING ELSE FOR ED AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO TUESDAY, ED. WE'LL GET POPCORN READY. ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE AHEAD

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SHE'S A -- >> SPEAKER: I HEARD IT IS GOING TO BE SHORT AND SWEET.

IMPACT MOBILITY FEE, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF AN UPDATE. IMPACT FEE APPROXIMATELY $12 MILLION TOTAL. THAT'S DISTRICT 2 AND DISTRICT 3 TOGETHER.

DISTRICT 2 IS ABOUT ALMOST 8 OF THAT. AND THEN DISTRICT 3 IS A LITTLE OVER 4 OF THAT. AND REMEMBER DISTRICT -- I SAID THAT BACKWARDS.

DISTRICT 3 IS THE DISTRICT THAT HAS GOT AS PERRY AND ORANGE PARK AND RAIN COVE.

I ACTUALLY HAVE MAPS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS NEED THOSE TODAY.

BUT I DO HAVE MAPS. AND ESSENTIALLY ALL WE'VE GOT TO REPORT TO YOU IS THAT WE'VE GOT A LIST OF ROADS TOTAL LING $42 MILLION. SO WAY MORE THAN THE 12 WE HAVE.

BUT THOSE ARE ROADS THAT ARE OPTIONS. ONE OF THEM IS AN EXAMPLE IS RADAR ROAD THAT WE HAVE ON THIS LIST. IF THE GRANT FALLS THROUGH, THAT'S ONE OF THE ROADS WE EXPECT TO DO WITH THIS MONEY. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TYPICALLY WE HAVE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE STAFF. AND SOME ROADS WE HAVE PLUGGED IN MULTIPLE PLACE AND IF THEY C FALL OUT OF ONE, THEY CAN FALL

INTO THIS. >> SPEAKER: YOU INDICATED WHETHER DISTRICT 1 OR DISTRICT

3, THOSE MONEYS HAVE TO BE -- >> SPEAKER: IN DISTRICT, YES, SIR.

SO THAT'S ONGOING AND WE'LL SEE HOW STUFF FILES IN AND FOOLS OUT AND WE'LL START TO SPEND THOSE DOLLARS. MOBILITY FEES WE'VE ONLY BEEN COLLECTING SINCE FEBRUARY 1.

TO DATE WE ALREADY COLLECTED JUST OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. SO WE'RE ON THE ROAD THERE.

HAVE JUST REALLY STARTED DISCUSSIONS AS TO WHAT THE SPENDS WILL BE ON.

SO ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS FOR US? >> SPEAKER: NO.

>> SPEAKER: WE'RE ALL SET. THANK YOU >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

RICHARD WAS HERE FOR MORAL SUPPORT. JUST MAKE SURE YOU DENOTE THAT.

>> SPEAKER: CHEREESE BROUGHT THE MUSCLE. ALL RIGHT.

[5.  Non-Comprehensive Plan Capital Improvements]

AND I GUESS TERESA GARDNER WILL BE COMING. RICHARD YOU'RE ON THE LIST.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE COMING BACK AGAIN >> SPEAKER: MORALLY SUPPORT.

>> I WAS RELAXING BACK THERE. I THOUGHT I WAS LAST ON THE AGENDA.

SORRY ABOUT THAT. OKAY. JUST PROBABLY A FEW QUICK ITEMS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW. YOU'LL SEE ARE EQUIPMENT RE REQUESTS THERE.

WE'VE WORKED WITH THE FLEET GROUP TO REPRESENT SOME OF THE BIGGER TICKET ITEMS. FOR EXAMPLE IN OUR FY21 REQUEST ONE OF THEM WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL BACK TRUCK TO ASSIST US IN ADDRESSING DRAINAGE ISSUES AND GETTING MORE STORM SEWERS CLEANED ANDING A MEETING FORUM ON OUR MSPDS PERMITTING WE CARRY AND YOU SEE BRIDGE PERMITS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

THE REASON IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IS WE DID NOT SHOW ANY DOLLARS IN THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEARS FOR BRIDGEWORK. AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA DEPAR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION DOES OUR INSPECTIONS FOR US. THEY SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH RICHARD AND I. AND THEN FROM THAT, WE EITHER DO THE REPAIRS INTERNALLY WITH OUR OWN STAFF. OR WE DEVELOP CONTRACTS. SO THIS WOULD REPRESENT SOMETHING THAT ELEVATING NOT TO A MAINTENANCE REPAIR THAT WE WOULD HANDLE OR SOMETHING TO A CIP TYPE OF PROJECT. THAT'S WHERE THE -- THERE'S THAT ADDITIONAL $500,000 REQUEST.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER BURKE HAD ON HER WISH LIST ITEMS TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE REPORT FROM I BELIEVE BLACK CREEK. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD USE THESE DOLLARS HERE TO ADDRESS SHOULD ANYTHING SHOW UP ON THE INSPECTION REPORT. AND THEN I GUESS RICHARD, I WILL PASS IT TO YOU. AND I KNOW TROY HAS ALSO BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE RADAR ROAD

THERE SHOWN IN YELLOW. >> SPEAKER: THE OTHER PROJECTS ARE COUPLE OF ONGOING PROJECTS WHICH ARE REHABILITATION PROJECTS FOR COLLEGE DRIVE. THAT'S UNDER DESIGN NOW.

IT SHOULD BE BID IN THE FIRST OR SECOND QUARTER OF 2021, WHICH WOULD PUT IT MAYBE DECEMBER 2022 TIME FRAME. THE TRIM R FOR 2020 WILLING GOING OUT REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS PROBABLY IN AUGUST. WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION TO BEGIN FIRST OF THE -- FIRST QUARTER

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LIST? I'LL BE OPEN TO -- >> SPEAKER: TELL ME WHAT TRIPLE

R IS. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S WHEN WE GO IN IS IT IS A REHABILITATION, MILLING AND RESURFACING, A RESTRIPING. WE BRING ALL OF THE SIDEWALKS UP TO CODE AS WELL AS ADA COMPLAINT. AND IT IS NOT REALLY A SAFE -- THERE ARE SOME SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS LIKE SHOULDER WIDENING AND SUCH BUT NOT A CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT. MORE OF GETTING WHAT WE HAVE GOT OUT THERE INTO A MODERN AND --

>> SPEAKER: COMPLAINT. >> SPEAKER: COMPLOOINT STATUS. AND RESURFACED TO GET MORE LIFE

OUT >> SPEAKER: AND THERE'S POSSIBILITY OF REDESIGNING

INTERSECTIONS ALONG THE WAY AS WELL IF IT IS A SAFETY CONCERN. >> SPEAKER: WE'VE GOT D.O.T.

GRANTS TO RECONFIGURE AND -- ON TWO OF THEM. ONE OF THEM IS AT TOWN CENTER.

IT IS FARTHER OUT. IT IS NOT TOWN CENTER BOULEVARD. THAT IS -- THAT IS BEING RELEASED IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS FOR BID. WE EXPECT THOSE NUMBERS BACK IN.

$364,000 GRANT FOR D.O.T. THE OTHER ONE 60% PLANS WITH THE ENGINEER IS TO FIX A LOT OF PEOPLE'S FAVORITE, DARING LEFT TURN COMING OUT OF OLD HARD ROAD TO GO LEFT ON 220.

THAT'S GOING BE ELIMINATED AND BROUGHT UP TO CURRENT SAFETY STANDARDS.

AND WEST LAKE SHORE DRIVE. >> SPEAKER: A SAFETY GRANT AS WELL, RIGHT?

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S A SAFETY GRANT AS WELL. THAT'S EMBEDDED IN OUR TRIPLE R.

A LOT OF COORDINATION BETWEEN THE FLORIDA D.O.T. CONSULTANTS, THE COUNTY, AND OUR COUNTY

CONSULTANT. >> SPEAKER: WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT OLD HARD ROAD AND 220.

WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE? >> SPEAKER: IT IS BEING RECON RECONFIGURED THERE. WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING ON THAT WITH COMMISSIONER BURKE IN PROBABLY JULY OR AUGUST. BASICALLY YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO TURN LEFT ON THE HARD ROAD TO GO WESTBOUND ON 220. YOU'LL HAVE TO GO RIGHT AND GO UP --

>> DANGEROUS. >> SPEAKER: WE'RE ALSO PROBABLY GOING TO -- I WILL KNOW THIS MORE -- I'VE GOT A MEETING NEXT THURSDAY WITH ST, OUR CONSULTANT.

THERE'S A MEDIUM BREAK AT AA-BREENNA ROAD, I DON'T KNOW -- ARENA ROAD IS KIND OF UNIQUE, THERE'S DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT. AND THEN ARENA ROAD HAS FIVE OR SIX HOUSES ON IT. BUT IT CREATES AN ISSUE WITH TURNING TRAFFIC

>> SPEAKER: SO YOU GO STRAIGHT TO THE LIGHT AT THAT SCHOOL OLD HARD.

>> SPEAKER: NOT THAT FAR UP. WE DON'T HAVE DO GO TO KENOVA. WE'RE GOING IMPROVE THAT -- YOU WILL MAKE THAT LEFT AND NOT THE DASH FROM OLD HARD WHITE. THAT IS GOING TO BE FIXED.

>> RICHARD. AND REENTER ROADS THAT IS THE SITE THAT WE TARGET ADD NEW FIREHOUSE TO MOVE FROM LIME TO ARENA. BY TAKING THAT LEFT-HAND TURN OUT OF THERE, IS THAT HINDRANCE TO THE STATION? [INDISCERNIBLE]

>> SPEAKER: WELL, I'M SURE WE'LL DO OVERHEAD EMERGENCY SIGNAL THERE THAT WOULD ALLOW

FOR THAT. >> SPEAKER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT.

>> SPEAKER: IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS HAPPENING CHIEF MOCK, THAT CAN GO IN THE TRIPLE R AT

THIS TIME. >> SPEAKER: THAT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT THEN.

>> I'LL SEND YOU AN INVITE TO THE NEXT TUESDAY OR THURSDAY MEETING.

>> TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COLLEGE. THAT'S ONE OF THE BEST ROADS I

DRIVE ON. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO THAT? >> SPEAKER: I WAS GOING TO ASK

THE SAME THING. >> SPEAKER: COLLEGE THE SIDEWALKS UP TO GRADE.

BIKE LANES RESTRIPED AND WIDEN A FOOT I THINK. AND INCLUDED IN THAT AN OUT FALL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOING THROUGH THAT MR. WATER MAKER AND I SPENT AN AFTERNOON AT.

THE SANDY HOLLOW LOOP NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT.

WE'LL FIX THE OUTGOING PIPES AND THEN ONE OF OUR LATER BELOW THE LINE PROJECTS WILL BE NEXT YEAR TO REDO -- REBUILD THOSE ROADS. BUT AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING IT, I'M GOING TO -- I'LL LEAVE THAT TO COURT. YEAH, THIS WAS A DALE SMITH. APPARENTLY THERE WAS A NEED FOR IT. WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH ST. JOHN'S, WITH THE COLLEGE.

WE'RE GOING TO -- WE INCORPORATED WITH THEIR DESIGN. AND PARTICIPATION.

MOVING THERE MAIN ENTRANCE MAYBE TO THE OLD JENNINGS LIKE -- >> SPEAKER: WE'RE GETTING A CALL A WEEK NOW ON OAK LEAF PARKWAY. WITH POTHOLES.

IF I'M COMPARING IT TO COLLEGE I HAVE GOT TO SAY IT IS PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME.

I'M THINKING THE MONEY SPENT THERE WOULD BE BETTER -- AT LEAST I COULD SEE A MASSIVE

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>> SPEAKER: THAT WAS A RECOMMENDATION FROM DALE SMITH WHEN HE WAS HERE AS DIRECTOR OF

ENGINEERING. >> SPEAKER: LET'S PUT A CIRCLE AROUND THAT ONE.

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, CIRCLE AROUND THAT -- >> SPEAKER: IN CASE WE NEED

MONEY SOME PLACE. >> RIGHT NOW, KEEPING AN EYE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST IN DESIGN.

WE HAVEN'T MOVED A LOAD OF CON CONCRETE.

THE FUNDING SOURCE OF THAT, HOWARD, IS WHAT? FOR COLLEGE --

>> SPEAKER: IT IS STRICTLY US. >> SPEAKER: THAT IS US. SO, YEAH.

I GUESS THAT IS KIND OF WHY THIS IS A WORKSHOP AND NOT NOT -- SOMETHING FOR MOTION.

>> SPEAKER: THE ONLY MOTION RICHARD WANTS TO MAKE IS GOOD-BYE.

>> SPEAKER: EXACTLY. >> SPEAKER: I'M OUT OF HERE. >> SPEAKER: TWO STEELIES AT THE

SAT SIDE. >> I VHAVE A QUESTION FOR TERES. WITH THE EQUIPMENT, THE HEAVY

EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, DOES THAT INCLUDE NEW GRATERS? >> SPEAKER: YES, THAT'S CORRECT. GET MY GLASSES OUT HERE AND I'LL GIVE YOU A -- FOR EXAMPLE THIS YEAR -- NO, NOT ACTUALLY GRATER IT IS. YOU'LL SEE THE GRATERS I BELIEVE

COME UP >> SPEAKER: FINANCE AND AUDIT. >> SPEAKER: THEY COME UP ON THE

FINANCE AND AUDIT THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED -- >> NOT IN THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT

REPLACEMENT >> SPEAKER: NOT IN NEXT THEY'RE IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR.

YOU'LL SEE THAT NEXT WEEK. WE'VE TAKEN BIDS ON THAT. THERE'S A BUY BACK PROGRAM.

THERE'S THE AMOUNT TO RECOUP SOME FUNDS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE MAKE UP OF THIS YEAR'S REQUEST IS A DUMP TRUCK, TWO LOADERS ARK CREW TRUCK,EN EXCAVATOR AND THE BACK TRUCK I MENTIONED. WE ALSO HAD A THREE QUARTER TON TRUCK AND ONE TON TRUCK.

AND THAT WAS ALL BASED ON MILEAGE, SERVICE RECORD, YEARS OF ACUSE, AND FLEET USE

RECOMMENDATIONS >> SPEAKER: I WAS MAINLY WANTING TO KNOW HOW FREQUENTLY WE'RE REPLACING THEM. ESPECIALLY GIVEN THAT WE'RE HAVING A HARD TIME HIRING GREATER OPERATORS AND IT IS COSTING A LOT MORE TO DO THAT KIND OF WORK SO --

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> SPEAKER: THE COMMISSION MAY DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. LIKE MAYBE THIS -- MAYBE NOT THIS YEAR, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IT WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO PAVING DIRT ROADS INSTEAD OF A HALF MILLION, A MILLION INSTEAD OF REPLACING GRATERS WHERE WE'RE HAVING TROUBLE HIRING OPERATORS

>> SPEAKER: YEAH -- >> SPEAKER: TERESA, THAT IS A FIVE YEAR PROGRAM IN TERMS OF CHANGING THOSE OUT? BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, WHATEVER YOU'RE BUYING NOW, YOU'RE EXPECTING TO BE HERE FOR FIVE YEARS

>> SPEAKER: YES. I HAVE TO SAY THE PROGRAM IN PLACE IS ONE OF THE BEST I'VE SEEN FOR THE EQUIPMENT OF THAT PURCHASE. THE ABILITY TO RECOUP THE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF DOLLARS THAT WILL RECOUP BACK AS A SWAP OUT.

WE'LL HAVE MORE DETAILS NEXT WEEK AND THEN EVENTUALLY COME TO THE COMMISSION.

WITH YOU I THINK THAT IS -- BUT I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA. BUT AS WE LOOK LONG TERM IN TERMS OF REWAIVING FOR THE PROGRAM, THE DIRT HAS TO BE A KEY PIECE OF THAT.

THEY'RE ALL COMPETING FOR THE KEY POT OF MONEY THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

GOING TO BE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TH , SURE

>> SPEAKER: LONG TERM, I'VE HAD TAX PAYERS PAID TAXES FOR 40 YEARS AND THEY'VE BEEN TOLD THEIR DIRT ROAD IS GOING TO BE PAVED FOR 40 YEARS. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT OVERALL PICTURE FROM THE BCC SIDE TO SAY ARE WE GOING TO KEEP INVESTING IN HEAVY EQUIPMENT WHERE IT IS GETTING HARDER AND HARDER TO HIRE OPERATORS TO RUN THEM OR ARE WE GOING TO INVEST

IN THINGS OUR CITIZENS CAN ENJOY EVERY DAY. >> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY.

DEFINITELY ALL OF THOSE PIECES ARE KEY TO A MANAGEMENT PROGRAM >> SPEAKER: JUST ENJOY.

SOME OF IT IS GETTING THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL. RIGHT NOW, I HAVE ROADS THAT AFTER THE RAIN LAST WEEK, SCHOOL BUSES AREN'T GOING DOWN THE ROADS.

SO THAT'S A DANGER TO KIDS. YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY. SO --

>> SPEAKER: YEAH. AND PLEASE, IF YOU SEE THOSE KIND OF ISSUES, THIS IS AN ASIDE, SHARE THEM AND WE WILL MAKE SURE WE FOCUS ON THAT. I AM PLEASED WE'VE HAD POSITIVE HIRING RECENTLY. SO THAT IS ONE POSITIVE THING. AGAIN, HOW LONG WE CAN SUSTAIN

THAT, IT WILL BE CHALLENGING. >> WHAT DOES A ROAD GRATER COST? >> SPEAKER: UM.

>> SPEAKER: 200,000 -- >> SPEAKER: 280. IT IS A VERY VALID POINT.

BUT, AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, THAT IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE THING TO CONTRACT OUT.

UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THE REPAVING, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER PAVING TECHNIQUES THAT ARE MORE DOLLAR FRIENDLY. BUT I THINK THAT ALL BECOMES PART OF YOUR WHOLE PACKAGE.

WE CAN'T JUST LOOK AT RESURFACING OR THREE R TYPE OF PROJECTS THERE HAS TO BE A WHOLE

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REALM OF HOW OUR PAYMENT MANAGEMENT IS HANDLED >> SPEAKER: USE PICKUP TRUCKS

FOR EVERYBODY ON THERE. IF EVERYBODY HAD -- >> SPEAKER: COMMENT -- I'M ALL SUSPECT WHEN I SEE A MILLION, MILLION, MILLION. YOU KNOW, WE CAN FORECAST EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AND ALSO PRICES A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THAT

>> SPEAKER: WELL, ACTUALLY, THE MILLION WAS -- AND I GUESS AN ARTIFICIAL NUMBER THAT WAS USED PREVIOUSLY. AND I CHUCKLED BECAUSE WHEN I MET WITH MY TEAM ON IT.

THEY SAID, OH, WE CAN'T GO OVER A MILLION. I SAID, NO WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR YOUR DATA SUPPORTS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR. THAT'S WHY YOU SAW THE SHARED, SOMETHING THAT WENT ABOVE 1 MILLION. AGAIN, WE'RE ALSO REALISTIC IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST. THERE'S A LOT OF NEEDS.

SO WHILE WE ASKED FOR THAT, WE ALSO PRIORITIZED OUR LIST OF NEEDS SO THE FUNDING CANNOT GO OVER A MILLION WE'RE NOT TO KOCK THINGS OFF IF THAT MAKES SENSE

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. KIND OF >> SPEAKER: NO.

I DEGREE. AND IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE, WE DEFINITELY CAN REFLECT A TRUER NUMBER. BUT I FEEL WE'RE STILL IN TRAINING OF 1, TO 1$1.5 MILLION ESPECIALLY AS YOU START TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF THE LARGER TICKET ITEMS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RICHARD'S GROUPS IS DOING IS LOOKING AT SMALLER BUCK TRUCKS. THERE ARE AREAS TO COME DOWN ON THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR LARGER PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. IF WE'RE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY GET THE BACK TRUCK, THAT'S A BIG TICKET ITEM ALMOST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. BUT IF IT HAS PROPER USAGE AND

MAINTENANCE IT WILL LAST FOR MANY YEARS >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE CHIP SEAL PRODUCT OR SOME KIND OF PRODUCT LIKE THAT

>> SPEAKER: YES. AND THAT WILL POP UP AT THE END, OF ROAD RESURFACING.

AGAIN, WE NEED TO LEVERAGE NOT ONLY THAT BUT EVERYTHING. WE NEED TO CREATE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE D.O.T. AND OUR OTHER COUNTIES IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT MAKES SENSE. WHT MAKES SENSE FROM OUR AREA IN THE REGION PERSPECTIVE AND WHO OUR VENDORS ARE. THERE'S EVERYTHING FROM MICRO SURFACING TO THREE R PROJECT.

THAT'S WHAT RICHARD AND I ARE GOING TO DEVELOP IN THE NEXT YEAR, IS A TRUE PAYMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND GOING TO HAVE ALL DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CATEGORIES.

LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER SOMETHING COULD MOVE BETWEEN TWO CATEGORIES MAYBE SITTING A AS TORN SHIP BUT THEN BECAUSE SOMETHING ELSE BECOMES MORE FAVORABLE VALUABLE AND MOVES INTO ANOTHER CATEGORY. ONE OF THE GOALS IS YOU SEE ON THE A LOT OF THE COMMENTS WE HAVE TO DEVELOP THE PRIORITY LISTS. RIGHT NOW THE EXCEPTION OF THE ENTIRE PAVING LISTS WE DON'T HAVE THESE OTHER LISTS. THAT'S SOMETHING RICHARD AND I

AND OUR OTHER TEAMS ARE WORKING ON >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. ALL RIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE IT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO KIMBERLY MORGAN.

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON, COMMISSIONERS. >> SPEAKER: KIMBERLY.

>> SPEAKER: BEFORE YOU YOU HAVE THE PARKS AND RECREATION LIST. I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE'S SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE GETTING DONE THIS YEAR.

AND WE'RE SO EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THE MULTIPURPOSE FIELD LIGHTING AT FLEMMING ISLAND FIA.

THAT IS REALLY THUNDER BOLT PARK. THAT WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THE YEAR. AND IT WILL BE -- WE'RE BUILDING THAT PROJECT WITH THE HELP OF FACILITIES TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RADAR ROAD PAVING PROJECT, THE PARKING LOT IS IS PART OF THAT PROJECT. AND THE LIGHTING THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN AT THE PARK WILL MEET THE NEEDS FOR THE PARKING LOT. SO WE'RE NOT OPERATING A SILO WITH THAT.

WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT IS AN ALL ENCOMPASSING PROJECT THAT IS SET UP FOR SUCCESS FOR THAT PARK. OMEGA PARKS CONCESSION STAND IS COMPLETE.

THE FLEMMING ISLAND BASEBALL PARK IS NEPTUNE PARK AND WE PLAN TO OPEN THAT THIS MORNING.

AND THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS TRAIL HEAD SHOULD BE OPEN JUNE 15TH. AND THEN I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY PROPOSED PROJECTS THAT YOU HAVE >> SPEAKER: WAIT.

HOW ARE WE CLOSER TO IDENTIFYING A PROPERTY FOR THE DEO GRANT? >> SPEAKER: SO I DON'T KN KNOW -- I CAN TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE PROJECT ITSELF.

I CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THE LAND. THE RFQ WENT OUT FOR THE DESIGN

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AND THOSE WERE -- RECEIVED SEVEN RESPONSES. AND THOSE ARE BEING SCORED THIS WEEK. AND NEXT WEEK WE WILL MEET AND HAVE THOSE RESPONSES SCORED AND

MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. >> SPEAKER: I GUESS THE COUNTY MANAGER PROBABLY HAS A BETTER HANDLE ON WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE

SORT OF FLOATING. BT NOTHING HAS LANDED YET. >> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S CORRECT. BOTH TERESA AND I ARE BASICALLY WORKING ON THIS AND TRYING TO SECURE THE PROPERTY. THE RIGHT SIZE OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT, BUT, YES, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: AND THEN I HAD A MEETING WITH MAYOR ROYAL FROM GREEN COVE TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT HE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ASSIST WITH IN TERMS OF CONTACTS WITH THE GROWN COVES AND OTHER AREAS THAT HE'S LOOKING AS. A SMALL PARCEL WOULDN'T BE LARGE ENOUGH IN THE MIDDLEBURG AREA ABOUT 80 ACRES OR SO. HE WAS LOOKING INTO ADDITIONAL PROPERTY IN AND AROUND THAT. WE'RE NO CLOSER ALTHOUGH WE'RE CLOSER.

IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING DEFINITE. BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE TRYING TO

HELP US >> SPEAKER: THE TIMING ON THIS -- THIS TWO GATE, THAT HAS

TO GO NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? TO SECURE THE GRANT? >> SPEAKER: THAT IS CORRECT.

WE'VE GOT AN EXTENSION TO AUGUST. YOU KNOW THE SPECIFIC DATE TRUCE

KAREN? >> SPEAKER: OF THIS YEAR. >> SPEAKER: AUGUST OF THIS

YEAR, TO START EXPENDITURES OF THE MONEY. >> SPEAKER: FOR THE FIRST 3

MILLION. >> SPEAKER: HOW LONG WOULD IT TAKE TO EXTEND THE 2.8?

>> SPEAKER: IT WILL DEPEND ON THE COST OF THE LAND. BUT ON WHAT WAS ALLOCATED WITHIN THE AGREEMENT, 1 MILLION WAS TO BE ESTIMATED TO BE SPENT ON THE LAND.

BUT, AGAIN, IT COULD BE OVER THAT. COO COO BE -- THAT COULD BE PART OF THE MATCHING FUNDS FOR THAT. WE WILL BE BRINGING AN RFP WITHIN THE MONTH OF MAY, CORRECT? FOR THE PLAN AND DESIGN OF THE PARK ALSO

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S WHAT KIMBERLY JUST INDICATED. >> I GUESS WHERE I'M GOING, WE'VE GOT TO START SPENDING IT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? CAN WE PUSH IT OUT TO OTHER

YEARS? >> SPEAKER: RIGHT NOW THEY TOLD US NO.

BUT AGAIN -- >> SPEAKER: YOU'VE ASKED. >> WE'VE ASKED.

KAREN HAS BEEN ASKED. SHE'S BEEN IN CALMS WITH THEM ABOUT IT AND --

>> ALL THEY'D GIVE US IS THE ADDITIONAL TWO MONTHS. >> SPEAKER: AND I THINK YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET CONCRETE MOVEMENT IN TERMS OF LOCATION AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS TO SHOW THEM THAT WE'VE GOT SOMETHING THAT IS IN THE PROCESS, THEN WE CAN ALSO GO BACK TO THE LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION THAT PUT THAT IN PLACE BECAUSE --

>> SPEAKER: WELL, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT YET, WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT GOING

TO SPEND IT. >> SPEAKER: RIGHT. EXACTLY

>> SPEAKER: IN THE NEXT YEAR. THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THE CASH FLOW ON THIS.

WE COULD GET MORE MONEY FROM THE PROJECTS IN YOUR RETURN. I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE

FAIRGROUNDS, WHAT IS GOING ON THERE? >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR.

THE FAIRGROUNDS MASTER PLAN IMPROVEMENT. THERE'S A LOT HAPPENING AT THE FIRGROUNDS. THERE'S A UTILITY PROJECT THAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE ELECTRIC AND THE UTILITIES IS THAT UNDERWAY. AS WELL AS THE EXHIBIT HALL RETROFIT. WE'RE ADDING A KITCHEN AND RESTROOMS TO THE EXHIBIT HALL BUI BUILDINGS. AND THAT'S EXPECTED TO BE DONE

SOON AS WELL. >> SPEAKER: IS TTHAT -- IS THA SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DO NEXT YEAR FOR SURE? AND WHY? IS THERE A RATE OF RETURN ON

THAT SOMEHOW? >> SPEAKER: SO THE EXHIBIT HALL BUILDING IS ALREADY UNDERWAY.

IT IS ALREADY UNDERWAY. >> SPEAKER: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: AND THAT IS -- AS A GRANT PROJECT AS WELL. SO IT IS -- WE'RE TIED IN TO THAT PROJECT.

NOT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE GRANT BUT IT IS ALREADY STARTED >> SPEAKER: AND THERE WILL BE RETURN ON INVESTENT WITH THAT. BECAUSE ADDING THE BATHROOMS, WHICH WILL BE ACCESSIBLE FROM INSIDE OF THAT BUILDING, AND THEN THE KITCHEN, CATERING KITCHEN, IT WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO PRESENT THAT AND BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT A LOT MORE FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS THAN WHAT WE'D

BE ABLE TO MUSTER IN THE PAST >> SPEAKER: IT IS OUR BEST FACILITY THOSE EXHIBIT HALLS.

>> HOW MUCH DO WE MAKE ON -- A YEAR ON THAT? >> SPEAKER: I CAN GET BACK TO YOU. THE EXHIBIT HALLS -- WELL THE FAIRGROUNDS HAVE MANY DIFFERENT RENTAL OPTIONS. I HAVE TO GO IN AND PULL OUT THE EXHIBIT HALL ONLY RENTALS.

>> ABOUT A YEAR WHAT DO WE MAKE ABOUT? DO YOU KNOW?

>> SPEAKER: NO. AND WE HAVEN'T -- NO, THIS WHOLE LAST YEAR, WE HAVEN'T RENTED THE

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YES? >> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER. >> SPEAKER: DID WE APPLY FOR

IMPLANTS -- GRANTS THIS YEAR, DO YOU KNOW? >> SPEAKER: YES.

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> SPEAKER: WHAT WAS THAT FOR? >> SPEAKER: IT WAS FOR THE

BARN. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A NEW BARN >> SPEAKER: BARN.

WHERE? CHINA WITH A? >> SPEAKER: NO.

NO. AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. >> OH, THE FAIRGROUND.

I'M LOOKING AT MOCCASIN, ALL OF THOSE ITEMS BELOW THERE, I WOULD PREDICT THEY'RE ALL FUR DAP

ELIGIBLE. >> SPEAKER: QUITE SPECIFICALLY WE WERE LOOKING AT -- FOR ALL OF

THESE GRANTS. >> SPEAKER: FURDAP I THINK CLOSES IN AUGUST IF WE'RE NOT

WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW -- >> SPEAKER: WE HAVE A GRANTS MEETING NEXT WEEK.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR KIMBERLY AT THIS TIME?

OKAY. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: MOVING TO ANIMAL SERVICES. >> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONERS.

YOU JUST UPDATED THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE ANIMAL SHELTER AND MOVED IT UP TO 22, 23, 23/24 AND SPLIT THE CONSTRUCTION ACROSS TWO YEARS. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS,

I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. >> THAT'S ANOTHER AREA THAT I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY DO -- DEAL WELL WITH GRANTS ONCE WE GET SOME KIND OF FACILITY IN MIND IN TERMS OF THE DESIGN, I THINK WE CAN PROBABLY OFFSET SOME OF THOSE COSTS.

OBVIOUSLY NO GUARANTEE. BUT I THINK THAT SEEMS TO BE A FERTILE GROUND FOR GRANTS

>> SPEAKER: THERE ARE GRANTS OUT THERE IF YOU HAVE A SET OF PLANS AND DESIGNS WHICH WE'RE WORKING ON PUTTING THE RFP OUT IN THE NEXT MONTH FOR THE ARCHI

ARCHITECTURAL SERVICES. FR>> SPEAKER: GIVE ME AN ELEVAR SPEECH ON THE NEW ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY. BIGGER FASTER, FUNNIER, ALL OF THAT

>> SPEAKER: MORE FURNITURE BETTER FOR ADOPTIONS AND VOLUNTEERS.

A FACILITY THAT THAT WON'T FLOOD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SWIM ANIMALS OUT IN A HURRICANE.

IT EXPANDED OUT THE LAST 40 YEARS >> SPEAKER: EXPANSION OF

OPERATING ROOMS OF ONE, TWO. >> SPEAKER: A BETTER OPERATING FACILITY TO DO MORE SURGERIES AND THE POSSIBILITY OF A SECOND SURGERY SHIFT IF YOU WANTED TO IN HOUSE YOUR E.R. PROGRAM.

>> SPEAKER: NOT SINKING. >> SPEAKER: NOT SINKING. >> SPEAKER: A LOT OF MONEY.

AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT IT SO. >> SPEAKER: WHAT IS THE PURPOSE WHEN WE BUILD THE NEW ANIMAL CONTROL CENTER. SO IN 24/25, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE

OF THAT PROPERTY, WHERE THE CURRENT ONE IS? >> SPEAKER: SO IN CONNECTION WITH THE BLACK CREEK PROJECT, AS PART OF TTHAT, THEY HAVE A KAYA LAUNCH THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR BUILDING US, IN CONNECTION WITH US PROVIDING AN EASEMENT. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN USE THAT

LAND TO FACILITATE THAT PARK. >> SPEAKER: YEAH, BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE FLOODING, WE CAN'T REALLY COUNT ON DOING ANYTHING THAT -- AND THE ONE GRANT LOCATION WE DID WITH IRMA, THE CONSTRUCTION GRANT, THAT WAS THE THING TURN IT BACK INTO A VACANT SPACE ALSO, A FULL PARK.

OF COURSE THAT GRANT WENT TO STORM WATER >> SPEAKER: IS THERE A THE POTENTIAL THAT -- I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE THAT IT WOULD WORK BUT SOME OF THE FLORIDA FOREVER MONEY THAT THE STATE COULD BUY THAT PROPERTY BACK FROM US SO THAT WE WOULD GENERATE REVENUE BACK INTO THE COUNTY BUT THE GRANT SPACE WOULD BE PROTECTED AS A PARK?

>> SPEAKER: I MEAN, CERTAINLY WORTH THE EXPLORATION. >> SPEAKER: YEAH.

I THINK SO. >> SPEAKER: I MEAN, THAT WAS WHAT THE D.E.O. GRANT WAS, TO CORRECT A SITUATION THAT SAW FL FLOODING, EXCHANGE THAT AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO AWARD THAT. BUT, YEAH, THERE'S CERTAINLY I THINK SOME WOERT NNESS -- WOERTNESS -- WORTHINESS LOOKING INTO WHAT TO DO WITH THAT PROPERTY.

MORE THAN LIKELY WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE WE CAN'T PUT A BUILDING THERE BECAUSE OF THE DANGER OF THE FLOODING. CERTAINLY A KAYAK LAUNCH AND MAYBE SOME OTHER -- GREEN PARK A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO BLACK CREEK THERE IT WOULD BE

WORTH WILD. >> SPEAKER: YEAH. >> SPEAKER: ANYTHING ELSE FOR TROY. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE AHEAD TO ENVIRONMENTAL SERVICES. YOU KNOW HIM, YOU LOVE HIM. HE IS STILL SMILING.

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>> SPEAKER: STILL BREATHING, THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: WE'LL SEE WHAT WE

CAN DO ABOUT THAT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU, SIR. >> SPEAKER: THE BREATHING OR

THE SMILING? >> SPEAKER: THERE IS SOME BLOOD COMING OUT.

>> WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THE DOLLAR VALUES SHAPE UP THE WAY THEY ARE UP THERE. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR EVERYBODY TO RECOGNIZE IS OUR

PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS IS GROWTH. >> SPEAKER: WHICH ONE ARE WE

ON? >> SPEAKER: WE'RE ON THE THE -- YUP.

>> SPEAKER: IF YOU LOOK AT THE EVENTS PER MONTH RECEIVED BY THE ROSEMARY HILL.

>> SPEAKER: WAIT A MINUTE. >> SPEAKER: TABLE 2, PAGE 2, IN PURPLE AT THE TOP.

>> SPEAKER: PURPLE. TABLE 2. >> SPEAKER: ONE OF FOUR.

HERE WE GO. >> SPEAKER: IT IS THE PURPLE ONE AT THE BOTTOM.

>> SPEAKER: I WAS JUST LOOKING AT THIS ONE HERE. >> SPEAKER: NO.

IT IS DIFFERENT THAN OURS. >> SPEAKER: THEY JUST ROLLED IT.

>> SPEAKER: IT IS JUST WHERE IT IS PRINTED OUT. >> SPEAKER: OH.

>> SPEAKER: ANYWAY, WE BACK IN 2011, CLAY COUNTY GENERATED A 1 15 15,384 TONS PER MONTH OF WASTE. FIVE YEARS LATER IN 2016 IT WAS 16,190, AN INCREASE OF 5% OVER FIVE YEARS. SO OBVIOUSLY 1% A YEAR, WHICH IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH A NORMAL GROWTH PATTERN. FROM 2016 TO 2021, TIMES PER MONTH HAS INCREASED 21,886 OR A 26% INCREASE. THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.

OBVIOUSLY 5.5 INCREASE PER YEAR. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY AS CITIZENS, BECAUSE WE'VE ALL SEEN WHAT INADEQUATE RESOURCES CAN DO TO COLLECTION SERVICES AND DISPOSAL SERVICES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, IS TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. SO WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT SOME MONEY INTO SOME ENGINEERING EARLY, TO GET SOME ASSESSMENTS DONE ON HOW BEST TO DEAL WITH EASY THIS. DO WE WANT ANOTHER ROSEMARY FCILITY? DO WE WANT A TRANSFER STATION IN A DIFFERENT PART OF THE COUNTY? THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO EXPLORE. WE -- AS WAS SAID EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSIONS AS YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW, THIS IS A SOLID WASTE ENTERPRISE FUND THAT FUNDS EVERYTHING FOR US, THE INCOMES FROM THAT COME BOTH FROM ASSESSMENT WHICH COMES FROM OUR RESIDENTS AND WE CHARGE AN ASSESSMENT OF $154.44 FOR COLLECTION AND $72 FOR DISPOSAL FOR A TOTAL $226.44.

THAT'S ALSO -- BESIDES ASSESSMENTS WE ALSO TAKE A USER FEE PIECE.

THAT COMES FROM OUR TIPPING FEES AT THE FACILITY AND ALSO FROM THE FRANCHISE FEES THAT WE CHARGE THE BUSINESSES WHICH IS 19 -- 14% OF GROSS RECEIPTS. SO WE'VE GOTTEN MONEY.

WE DON'T NEED -- WE DON'T NEED TO COME TO YOU TO GET ANYTHING FROM THE GENERAL FUND.

EVERYTHING IS FROM OUR OWN FUND. WELL WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT HOW TO BUILD THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLID WASTE SERVICE CENTER IN NORTHEAST, FLORIDA.

THAT IS MY OBJECTIVE. SO I'VE ASKED AND GONE THROUGH THE FINANCE COMMITTEE EARLY NEXT MONTH REQUESTING TO COME SEE YOU GUYS TO TALK ABOUT THE BIG PICTURE, NOT THE FACT THAT THE YARD WAY SYSTEM ISN'T HAND THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. BUT WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE IN FIVE YEARS, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO BE IN TEN YEARS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND IT? THIS REPRESENTS EARLY ASSESSMENT PAYING ENGINEERS TO COME IN, LOOKING AT WHAT THE STRUCTURE FACILITY WILL BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AND TAKING IT TO NEXT LEVEL. DESIGN, ENGINEERING, ACTUALLY STARTING TO BREAK GROUND.

AND THEN WRAP UP THE NEW OPERATION WITHIN A FOUR TO F FIVE-YEAR PERIOD.

>> SPEAKER: AS PART OF THA THA OVER ALL PLAN, DO YOU SEE ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS?

>> SPEAKER: MR. CHAIRMAN, WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, I THOUGHT WE NEEDED TO BUILD ANOTHER ROSEMARY HILL. BUT I'M NOT TOO SURE THAT IS THE CASE ANY MORE.

WE'RE STEPPING BACK AND ANALYZING THE ACTUAL VOLUMES PRODUCED IN THE DIFFERENT WASTE CATEGORIES. THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE REALLY HEAVY IN CONSTRUCTION DEMOLITION MATERIAL. WE OFFER -- THIS WAS AUTHORIZED BY A COMMISSION YEARS AGO, THE FIRST 500 POUNDS A MONTH THAT RESIDENTS -- OR IS IT A WEEK? I CAN'T REMEMBER

>> SPEAKER: A WEEK. >> SPEAKER: A WEEK, YEAH. THAT COSTS THE COUNTY ABOUT $659,000 A YEAR. SO WE'RE OFFERING -- WE'RE OFFERING CURB SIDE SERVICE

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SORRY STILL GETTING USED TO THE TERMINOLOGY HERE. BUT THOSE THE THINGS BETTER -- WE NEED TO CONSIDER OUR RECYCLING PROGRAM. WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE OF THE BETTER RECYCLING RATES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA BECAUSE WE'RE A DUAL SOURCE.

WE KIND OF MANUALLY SEPARATE EARLY. SOME OF THE WASTE OF THE RECYCLING FLOW. SO IT IS A CLEANER PRODUCT AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY COMBOSHTANT FEES FOR PROCESSING. IF WE SHIFT TO THE OTHER SIDE LETTERS WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER, PARTICULAR IT WILL NORTH PORTION OF THE COUNTY OVER BY FLEMMING ISLAND. THAT IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE THROWERS.

THE THROWERS ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CREATING THE PROBLEM FOR US NOW WITH THE YARD WAYS BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING PAID ABOUT $13.50 AN HOUR. NOW UNDER UNEMPLOYMENT THEY'RE MAKING $17 AN HOUR. WASTE MANAGEMENT IS TALKING ABOUT RAISING THEIR RATES TO $20 AN HOUR. THE MORE THAT HAPPENS THE HIGHER THE PRICES ARE GOING TO GO AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO FEEL IT. SO FINDING THE BALANCE IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT.

SO HAVING AN ENGINEERING STUDY TO HELP US REALLY GET A GOOD PICTURE ON WHAT THE BEST POTENTIAL IS FOR THE COUNTY I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF MONEY TO FIX IT. WE'VE GOT GOOD PEOPLE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE BEST PLAN POSSIBLE >> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

FOR CHARLIE AT THIS TIME? >> SPEAKER: YEAH, COULD YOU -- I'M LOOKING AT THE RUN

RATES ON THIS. WHAT IS IN THESE NUMBERS AGAIN? >> SPEAKER: BASICALLY YOU'RE

ONE -- THE 410, IS THAT -- IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> SPEAKER: YEAH.

>> SPEAKER: THAT IS BASICALLY -- THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS, ACTUALLY.

PROFESSIONAL SERVICES 75,000. CONSTRUCTION 120,000. FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT, 168,000. THAT'S THE MANUAL CENTERS, T THE -- ENVIRONMENTAL COLLECTION CENTERS. THEY HAVE LITTLE BUILDINGS FOR PEOPLE TO STAY IN.

AND THEY'RE WAY PAST DUE TO BE REPLACED. SO THERE'S ADDITIONAL MONEY THERE IN THAT FIRST YEAR. IN THE SECOND YEAR, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES INCREASES SIGNIFICANTLY TO A QUARTER OF A MILLION CONSTRUCTION, 500,000. THE SECOND HALF OF THE REPLACEMENT OF THOSE UNITS AT THE CARE -- AT THE COLLECTION CENTER, 64,000.

SO THERE'S SOME RECURRING ISSUES. THERE'S SOME PHASE REPLACEMENT.

AS WE SAY IN THE NAVY. WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT REPLACING THINGS ON AN ANNUAL BASIS.

PARTICULARLY TRUCKS AND VEHICLES WHERE THE GUYS AND GALS ARE OUT DOING THEIR THING IN THE FIELD.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE FIRST YEAR IS REALLY THE ONLY THING WITH THE TANGIBLE REALISTIC EXPENSE EXPECTATION. BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEP IS GOING TO BE UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THE FIRST YEAR. .

>> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: WELL, I'M LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING HERE, IT IS LIKE $21 MILLION.

>> SPEAKER: MM-HMM. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: AND JUST YEAR BY YEAR, WHAT ARE WE BUYING IN THOSE CHUNKS? THAT'S $11 MILLION YEAR THREE SOME SERIOUS MONEY HERE.

I'M JUST WONDERING >> SPEAKER: YEAR THREE WOULD BE THE GROUND BREAKING AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST OF THE FACILITIES THAT WOULD BE RECOMMENDED BY ENGINEERING.

>> SPEAKER: SO YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND A NEW FACILITY AND THAT THIS --

>> SPEAKER: WITHOUT QUESTION. >> SPEAKER: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: WE'RE OVER 1,000 TONS A DAY NOW MIXED WASTE, ALL THREE WASTE CATEGORIES. WE'RE ONLY PERMITTED 1,000 TONS A DAY ON SW. IF WE KEEP GROWING THE WAY WE ARE GROWING, IT WILL BE FIVE YEARS WE OUTGROW THE PERMIT. WE'VE GOT TO ANTICIPATE THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME BUILDING, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CHANGES. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO LOOK IN 2023, THE TRANSPORTATION AND DISPOSAL CONTRACT EXPIRES. WHICH IS CURRENTLY HELD BY WASTE MANAGEMENT. AND IN 2024, THE HAULING CONTRACT EXPIRES.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AND I INTEND TO BRING THROUGH THE MANAGER TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION IS DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PAY LESS MONEY FOR THE SERVICE THAT WE'VE GOT NOW, WHICH IS NOT THE GREATEST SERVICE IN THE WORLD BECAUSE THEY'RE MAKING DUE WITH WHAT THEY CAN. OR DO WE WANT TO OUT AND REBID, IF WE DO THAT WE KNOW THE PRICES ARE GOING UP, THERE SHOULD BE A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE PAID TO STAY ON STAFF AND PART OF THEIR TEAM. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS COMING

UP IN SOLID WASTE THE NEXT FEW YEARS. >> THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD O IT. THAT'S WHY I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND GO WHOA, WHAT IS

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THIS? >> SPEAKER: REMEMBER THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS. WE HAVE HEALTH TREE RESERVES AND THE STAFF HAD A GOOD JOB IN THE

PAST BUILDING THE HEALTHY RESERVES >> SPEAKER: THIS IS A

SELF-FUNDED PROJECT? >> SPEAKER: YES. >> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS

FOR -- >> SPEAKER: WOULD THEY ALSO CONSIDER IF WE BROUGHT SOME OF THE SERVICES IN HOUSE? OR IF WE SPLIT THE CONTRACT FOR THAT KIND OF THING?

>> SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. ACTUALLY, THE INTENT IS TO LOOK AT TWO OR THREE ZONES, TO BID THEM ALL OUT SEPARATELY OR TOGETHER, IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DO A COST ANALYSIS ON THE MORE RURAL AREAS WHAT IT COST TO BUY OUR OWN PUP TRUCKS THEY'RE THE SMALL LOADER CONTAINERS AND PUTTING THEM IN THE SMALLER AREAS, MORE EFFE EFFECTIVELY. WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THAT.

SO -- >> SPEAKER: THANKS. >> SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM.

. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT RECYCLING.

YOU SAID WE'LL CLEAN IT UP, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY AN ARM AND LEG TO GET RID OF IT.

IS RECYCLING A REVENUE STREAM OR -- >> SPEAKER: FOR US, IT IS A

REVENUE STREAM. >> SPEAKER: YES. WE MAKE ABOUT $50 A LOAD FOR ALL OF THE TRUCKS THAT WE COLLECT BECAUSE WE DUAL STREAM. WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW AND I'VE AUTHORIZED SEVERAL SINGLE STREAM RELIEF TRIPS TO SHORTEN THE ROUTE TIME FOR THE TRUCKS TO GET MORE WASTE OFF THE GROUND. THEY'RE PAYING $102 A TON TO HAVE THE WASTE PROCESSED AND THEY'LL SHARE WHATEVER PROFIT THEY CAN FROM IT. WE ON THE OTHER HAND ARE BRINGING GOOD QUALITY PRODUCT TO PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO PAY US FOR THAT PRODUCT.

AND WE DON'T GO THROUGH A SCREENING PROCESS OR -- AND WE JUST PAY IT FOR WHAT WE BRING THEM. BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE RECYCLING PROGRAM IN TOTAL.

AND HOW WE CAN MAKE ONE OF THE BETTER PROGRAMS IN THE STATE. THERE'S AN OLD PROCESS CALLED -- USING A LA BREED BODY IN THE TRUCK AND IT HAD FOUR COMPARTMENTS ON IT.

THE GUYS PICK UP THE BINS AND SLAP THEM ON AND HAND SORT PLASTIC AND GLASS.

GLASS IS A BAD WORD BY THE WAY. THEY RESORT ALL OF THE STUFF THEY TAKE IT CLEAN AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. WHAT HAS HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS, WE GO TO THE SEILERS TECHNOLOGY, GREAT FOR GARBAGE, BUT HORRIBLE FOR RECYCLING. RECYCLING RATES EVER SINCE THAT WENT TO ASL HAVE DROPPED TO CONTAMINATION RATES HAVE GONE ALL THE WAY UP TO 42% AVERAGE FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA TWO YEARS AGO. SO A LOT OF THAT IS GOING IN THE GARBAGE. AND WE'RE PAYING A LOT OF MEN MONEY FOR PEOPLE TO TELL US IT NEEDS TO GO IN THE GARBAGE. WHY NOT START A PROGRAM THAT YOU KNEE YOU ARE'S -- YOU KNOW YOU ARE DEALING WITH MATERIALINGS WITH VALUE, YOU SET IT UP SO THEY'RE BEING HANDLED PROPERLY AND CLEANED. YOU'RE MAKING MONEY. IF YOU'RE NOT MAKING MONEY FROM

RECYCLING, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT. >> SPEAKER: GLASS HAS NO VALUE

BECAUSE THEY CAN'T MAKE SOMETHING FROM IT. >> SPEAKER: GLASS IS MADE OF SAND. WE HAVE NO SHORTAGE OF SAND IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

SO THERE'S NOBODY THAT REALLY PROCESSES GLASS OR STRATEGIC MATERIALS I THINK WAS THE LAST ONE AND IT WAS IN SOUTH FLORIDA. A LOT OF COMPANIES ARE WORKING THROUGH MUNICIPALITIES TO GET

PERMISSION TO THROW GLASS AWAY. >> SPEAKER: OSCEOLA COUNTY AS I TOLD YOU THEY JUST BID -- THEY

DECIDED NOT TO TAKE GLASS IN THEIR RECYCLING. >> SPEAKER: AND I CAN TELL YOU, WITH SOME DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE THAT WILL BE MY RECOMMENDATION AS WELL WHEN WE LOOK AT THE

EXTENDED PROGRAM. >> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHARLIE.

I APPRECIATE THAT >> SPEAKER: APPRECIATE IT. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR GAME PLAN COME ABOUT. I GUESS WE'LL GO TO ACTING CHIEF MOTES TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. FOLLOWED BY OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR TERESA GARDNER. OH, SHERIFF. OKAY.

NOT JUST YET, RON. WARMING UP IN THE BULLPEN >> SPEAKER: I WAS GOING TO SAY DAVE MOTES, ACTING CHIEF. SOME OF OUR STUFF CROSS HIS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN US AND THE SHERIFF. I THINK THE FIRST THING YOU HAVE ON THE LIST THERE IS THE PUBLIC SAF SAFETY/SHERIFF'S OFFICE TRAINING FACILITY.

RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING OUT ON THE LIST. IT IS SITTING THERE AT 4.$4.532 MIL MILLION. STATION 11 IS ALREADY UNDER -- IT IS ALREADY DONE BUT THE EXTRACTOR PROJECT IS STILL ON YOUR LIST UNTIL THAT GETS THROUGH. THAT IS UNDERWAY AND SHOULD BE COMPLETED HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. THE EQUIPMENT LINE UNDER PUBLIC SAFETY IS GOING TO BE FOR NOT ONLY OUR FIRE TRUCK ANCILLARY VEHICLES ALSO GOING TO COVER THINGS LIKE CHARACTER MONITORS AND LARGER PURCHASES OVER TIME OR SCBA'S. FIRE STATION 20 IS CURRENTLY

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BURN BUILDING IS IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TWO SEPARATE PIECES FROM TRAINING TO BURN BUILDING.

THE BURN BUILDING ALLOWS YOU TO GET ISO CLASS 1. ISO GOES FROM 1 TO 10.

1 BEING THE BEST, 10 THE WORST. >> WE'RE SITTING AT A 4. AS LONG AS YOU ARE WITHIN FIVE FEET OF A HYDRANT AND FIVE MILES OF A FIRE STATION, THAT ALSO DRIVES WHERE YOU PUT YOUR FIRE STATIONS IN THE COUNTY. AS I GET DOWN TO SOME OF THESE OTHER -- SOME OF THESE OTHER FIRE STATIONS. FIRST OFF ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT SO FAR?

YES, SIR? >> SPEAKER: I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS.

WE'LL START WITH THE BURN BUILDING. IS THAT A CON NEXT FOX TYPE -- I'VE SEEN SHIPPING CONTAINERS THAT ARE WELDED TOGETHER AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATIONS FOR SMOKE, FIRE AND ALL OF THAT. OR IS THIS SOMETHING A LOT MORE

ELABORATE >> SPEAKER: THIS WOULD BE MORE ELABORATE.

THIS WOULD BE MORE OF A PRECAST DESIGN. WHEN YOU GET TO THE CONNEX STYLE BOXES. WE ARE TRYING TO BUILD FOR THE INCREASED POPULATION IN THE FUTURE THAT IS GOING TO BE USED MULTIPLE TIMES 250 MANNED DEPARTMENT RIGHT NOW, UP TO ANOTHER ADDITIONAL 100 FIREFIGHTERS. IN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED, REPELLED OFF OF THAT TYPE OF THING YOU WANT THAT PRECAST STYLE FACILITY TO SUPPORT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE OTHER THING IS THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE COUNTY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ADEQUATELY UTILIZE IT WITH OUR ROTATING OUR PEOPLE THROUGH IT.

AND KEEPING -- >> SPEAKER: DO YOU TRAIN ON ANY BURN BUILDING TODAY?

>> SPEAKER: WE DO NOT TRAIN IN ANY BURN BUILDING TODAY. THAT'S WHAT KEEPS US.

RIGHTS NOW WHAT WE DO IS ACQUIRED STRUCTURES. WE'VE DONE THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IT IS A VERY HIGH RISK WAY OF DOING THAT BECAUSE THE STRUCTURES WE GET FROM INDIVIDUALS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WANT TO BURN THEM DOWN, VERSUS HAVING TO TAKE THEM OFF OF THEIR PROPERTY. THAT HAS BECOME OVER THE YEARS MORE STRINGENT WITH THE TYPE OF THINGS WE CAN EVEN LEAVE IN THERE TO BURN IT.

IT HAS TO BE HABITABLE AT THE TIME WE DO THAT. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE

FALLING DOWN IN ORDER FOR US TO USE IT FOR THAT >> SPEAKER: LET'S SWITCH GEARS.

IS THERE A BURN BUILDING ANYWHERE IN THE REGION HERE? >> SPEAKER: THE NEAREST BURN BUILDING, YOU'VE GOT JACKSONVILLE. WE'VE USED THAT ONE TIME OVER YOUR CAREER AND YOU HAVE ONE IN ST. JOHN'S COUNTIES. AGAIN, IT WOULD BE TOO FAR OUT FOR US TO GET AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM TO ROTATE OUR PEOPLE THROUGH IT.

WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE COUNTY IN ORDER TO DO THAT

>> SPEAKER: LET'S SWITCH TO EQUIPMENT A LITTLE BIT. I SEE TRAINING 601, TRAINING VAN, TRAINING 6. WHAT IS A TRAINING 6. WHAT IS A TRAINING VAN?

WHAT IS TRAINING 601? >> ALL OF THOSE ARE INDIVIDUAL UNITS OUT THERE.

TRAINING 6 IS A CHIEF'S VEHICLE. SUV STYLE VEHICLE THAT IS ROTATED OUT IN OUR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT PLAN AROUND 100, 150,000 MILE MARK, THOSE ARE RESPONSE VEHICLES.

SO THOSE ARE ONES THAT HAVE TO GO HIGHER SPEED. FORWARD DRIVE.

CARRY A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT WITH THEM ON THE CALLS.

BUT THAT'S -- YOU TARGETED TRAIN C. THAT'S WHO THAT IS.

THAT IS THE TRAINING CHIEF. 601 IS DEPUTY BASICALLY OF TRAINING --

>> THESE ARE SUV'S -- NO, SIR, NOT ALL OF THEM. WE MOVED IN OUR FIELD RESPONSE, ARE ONE TON TRUCKS. WE DID THAT OUR BATTALIONS AND ALL OF THE TRUCKS WE'RE CHANGING OUT ARE GOING TO 1 TON VEHICLES. BECAUSE AS YOU MENTIONED BEFORE OUR AGING WILDFIRE FLEET OF THE OLD CHEVROLET VEHICLES PASSED DOWN FROM THE FLORIDA FOREST SERVICE WHILE THEY WORK WELL, THEY WERE FACING OUT ROLL USING THE LTV'S THAT WE'RE GETTING FROM THEM.

BUT THESE VEHICLES ALSO GO ON TO LATER ON BECOME WOODS FIRE VEHICLES BUT THEY CAN ALSO TOW THE TRAILERS AND THINGS. THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT 1 TON. THEY CAN BE MULTIPURPOSE AS THEY

PASS DOWN THE LINE >> SPEAKER: DO WE HAVE A BRIM WATER CRAFT, WATER RESCUE.

>> SPEAKER: WE DO. WE HAVE ONE ON RECORD LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE FOR A HANG PERIOD OF -- LONG PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE COVID HELD IT UP. THERE'S ONE AT STATION 15.

I WILL SAY ALONG THE WATER ASSETS, WE NOT TOO LONG AGO SIGNED AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CLAY COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHERE WE COULD UTILIZE EACH OTHER'S EQUIPMENT AND FACILITIES

SO THAT HAS BEEN A FORCE MULTIPLIER FOR US. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS I IT EQUIPMENT WITH 70,000 YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT

>> SPEAKER: SO WHAT THAT DOES IS THE EQUIPMENT -- THE COMPUTERS THAT ARE IN THE

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MR. NAGLE KIND OF PUT US ON A ROUTINE OF WHAT IT TAKES TO AS THEY GET OUTSIDE OF THEIR LIFE SPAN THAT YOU CONTINUE REPLACEMENT. EN AND I THINK MR. NAGLE CAN

COME UP FOR THAT >> SPEAKER: WHAT WE DO IS PUT THEM ON A SIX YEAR PLAN.

THAT'S THE LONGEST THAT THE COMPANY, WHEN BUY IT YOU GET A THREE YEAR WARRANTY AND LET YOU EXTEND IT FOR SIX YEARS. BASICALLY WE REPLACE ONE SIXTH OF THE THEIR COMPUTERS IN THEIR VEHICLE EVERY YEAR. THAT'S WHY IT IS A CONTINUOUS NUMBER IT IS BASICALLY ONE SIXTH

OF THEIR COMPUTER FLEET IS GETTING SWITCHED OUT. >> THE LAST QUESTION I'VE GOT IS WE'RE BUYING A -- WE BOUGHT A SUV'S TRAINING 601 LAST YEAR. GOING TO REPLACE IT IN 24/25.

SO FOUR OR FIVE YEARS IS ALL WE GET OUT OF AN SUV, IS THAT -- >> SPEAKER: TYPICALLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING -- AND WE MADE REALLY GOOD GROUND IN OUR RESCUE UNITS IN REPLACING THEM.

THEY WERE GETTING SOMEWHERE IN THE AREA OF 200 TO 300,000 MILES ON THEM.

THEY WERE NOT RELIABLE AS A FIRST LINE VEHICLE. SO WE GOT MORE AGGRESSIVE ON THOSE AND SITTING GOOD THERE. ENGINES WE HAD A REPLACEMENT SCHEDULE THAT WE GO BY.

BUT WITH THOSE VEHICLES A ADMINISTRATIVE VEHICLES THEY'RE USED EVERY SINGLE DAY AND WE MAINTAIN PRETTY HIGH MILEAGE ON THEM. WE TRY TO ROTATE THEM OUT INTO ANCILLARY FUNCTIONS WHETHER A BRUSH TRUCK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO MAINTAIN A LONGER IN THE SYSTEM. THE FRONT LINE VEHICLE, FOR INSTANCE THE 601 THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THAT'S A SAFETY PERSON SO THEY RESPOND TO ALL OF OUR STRUCTURE FIRES AND MAJOR INCIDENTS. THAT'S A RUNNING VEHICLE. .

>> JIM RENNINGER: RIB BOAT, IS THAT A SAFER QUALIFIED PURCHASE, DO YOU KNOW?

>> SPEAKER: I DO NOT. I COULDN'T TELL YOU THAT. .

>> JIM RENNINGER: I MEAN -- >> SPEAKER: YEAH, I WOULD SAY THAT IS NOT SAFER.

SAFER WOULD BE FOR A PERSONNEL. THAT WOULD BE AN AFG THING. YES, YOU CAN PUT IN FOR IT, BUT

I WILL TELL YOU SAFER IS FOR PERSONNEL AND THEN AFG. >> AFG.

>> SPEAKER: FOR EQUIPMENT, YES, SIR. .

>> JIM RENNINGER: SO THAT MIGHT BE AN AFG GRANT BOARD? >> SPEAKER: THEY HAVE

FROWNED -- >> SPEAKER: [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> SPEAKER: YES, THEY HAVE

FROWNED ON BUYING BOATS THROUGH AFG. >> JIM RENNINGER: MAKES SENSE.

BECAUSE WE APPLIED FOR ONE IN ORANGE PARK AND WE DIDN'T GET ONE EITHER

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. I WOULD SAY DEDICATED TO SERVICE, WE GOT A BOAT FROM THE FIREHOUSE SUBS GRANT. IT IS GETTING READY TO PUT IN SERVICE AND WAITING OVER THERE

FOR THE TABS AND THE EQUIPMENT FOR IT. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SO FAR ON THOSE. >> SPEAKER: NOPE.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. SO THOSE WERE OUR EQUIPMENT. RADIO TOWER UPGRADES ARE ONGOING. I THINK YOU ALL ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF WHAT THAT SITUATION IS, IT IS GOING TO REPLACE YOUR GENERATORS, YOUR LIGHTING AND YOUR SHELTERS AT ALL OF YOUR FACILITIES. I HAVE PUT ON YOUR RADAR. IT WILL COME SOMEWHERE IN YEARS OUT. I DON'T HAVE MY INSPECTIONS BACK ON MY TOWERS YET.

BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS I'VE GOT TWO TOWERS THAT ARE OLD PLATE STYLE TOWERS.

SOME OF WHAT I HEAR FROM THE OLDER ENGINEERS IN THE SYSTEM IS THEY'RE FLASHBBERGASTED THEY'RE STILL IN THE SYSTEM AND STILL STANDING THERE. WE REPAIRED THE KEYSTONE HEIGHTS TOWER AT LEAST ONE TIME. BUT WE'RE WAITING ON THOSE TO COME BACK AND LET US KNOW HA TO DO -- WHAT THE CONDITION ARE OF THOSE. SO I WANT TO PUT THAT ON YOUR RADAR. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO PUT ON YOUR RADAR IS AS YOU CONTINUE TO BUILD OUT POPULATION SOUTH OF GREEN COVE, THAT IS A KNOWN AREA OF COVERAGE, THE CLOSER YOU GET TO THE COUNTY LINE. THAT THE COUNTY AT SOME POINT IS GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER AN ADDITIONAL TOWER SOUTH OF GREEN COVE FOR COVERAGE AS YOUR POPULATION GROWS.

FIRE STATION 15, LAKE ASBURY, SO SOME OF THESE AREN'T NECESSARILY IN PARTICULAR ORDER.

MANY OF THESE OLD FACILITIES, AS I LOOKED AT THIS, WE BUILT THE COUNTY ITSELF HAS BUILT TWO FACILITIES IN THE LAST 20 YEARS. ONLY ONE OF THOSE FACILITIES WAS AN EXPANSION FACILITY.

WHICH IS NOT A SURPRISE AS TO WHY WE HAVE A LOT OF THE MAINTENANCE PROBLEMS WE ARE HAVING. MORE OVER, THE AVERAGE FACILITY OUT THERE, IS NOT EXCLUSIVE OF THE -- INCLUSIVE THE THREE MODERN WE HAVE IS ABOUT 3-TO 4,000 SQUARE FOOT.

WHAT WE'VE DONE IS HAD METAL CLOSURES PUTTING VEHICLES IN. AND SOME PLACES THE VEHICLES ARE OUTSIDE. ISO WHICH DRIVES A LOT OF OUR ORGANIZATION, IT HAS TO BE INSIDE, AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT IT HAS TO BE A HEATED SPACE IN FOR IT TO QUALIFY FOR A STATION -- FOR THAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IN THERE. SO THE FACILITIES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SEE US BUILD GOING FORWARD, FROM THE OLD FACILITIES THAT WERE VOLUNTEER FACILITIES THAT WERE RETROFITTED INTO CAREER USE, MANY OF THEM ARE NOT IN THE EXACTLY THE RIGHT SPACE

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SO THEY WILL GO INTO THOSE AREAS AS WE BUILD THEM, SO YOU WILL HAVE BOTH A LAND COST IN SOME CASES. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT -- LAND IN MANY OF THOSE CASES.

AND THEN YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE BUILDING COSTS. OKAY? THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD GO TYPICALLY FIVE DAYS DOUBLE DEEP TO HOUSE THE AMOUNT OF EQUIPMENT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAV IN THEM. SOME DEPARTMENTS GO OUT THERE.

OURS ARE BUILT ABOUT 10 MILES APART TO MEET YOUR FIVE MILE TRAVEL DISTANCE FROM YOUR BUILDINGS. INSTEAD OF SMALLER BUILDING FACILITIES INSTEAD LESSER STATIONS THAT HOUSE MULTIPLE VEHICLES. LAKE ASBURY ON BRANSTON ROAD, NO SURPRISE ALL VOLUNTEER BUILT STATION BUILT BACK IN THE 70S THAT COMES OUT SOMEWHERE ON TO PROBABLY SAND RIDGE. WE DID FIND OUT AS WE HAVE RUN THE TRAVEL DISTANCES AT CROSS CREEK, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. BUT AS YOU GO A VERY SHORT DISTANCE INTO CROSS CREEK IT GETS OUTSIDE OF YOUR FIVE MILE TRAVEL DISTANCE.

EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THE BENEFITS OF THE HYDRANTS THEY DON'T HAVE THE ISO STANDARD BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT OF THE FIVE MILE RANGE. THERE'S A SMALL DISTANCE LOCATION FOR WHAT WE CALL 4X BETWEEN THE 5 AND 7 MILE RANGE BUT TO GET THE BEST BENEFIT OF THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE THE FIRE STATION WITHIN THE FIVE MILES. STATION 17, PPEORIA IS A STATIO SLATED TO MOVE A LITTLE FARTHER SOUTH. ALSO WILL BE A LARGER FACILITY.

STATION 24 IS A REALLY HIGH PRIORITY FOR US. WE BUILT A TEMPORARY FACILITY THERE. THIS IS THE ONE IN VIRGINIA VILLAGE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, IT IS A DOUBLE WIDE ON STILTS DOWN THERE THAT HAS AS ITS CONTINUED TO SETTLE WE'RE CONTINUING TO SEE ISSUES WITH THAT. AND POPULATION IN THE FUTURE WILL COME IN THAT AREA. THAT'S STATION 24. STATION 22, POLICEMENING ISLAND BACK IN THERE OFF PINE AVENUE. OBVIOUSLY A LONG STRETCH IT COVERS AND DOWN T 220.

TOWARDS THE DOCTOR'S INLET AREA COMING OUT OF ARENA ROAD ONE UNIQUE PLACE THAT YOU HAVE LAND ALREADY FOR THE BUILDING. STILL COMING OUT TO ARENA ROAD. STATION 13, EXTREMELY OLD FACILITY WOULD NEED TO HAVE A LAND PURCHASE IN ITS PLACE. IT IS A SISTER FACILITY TO STATION 15 IN LAKE ASBURY. ANOTHER THING TO MENTION IS THE FACILITIES GOING FROM A NONRATED. BASICALLY WE HAVE TO MOVE THINGS WHEN WE HAVE HURRICANES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND PUT THEM IN A SHELTER IN PLACE TO STAY IN PLACE AND HAVE ELECTRICAL THAT TYPE OF THING. STATION 16 IS A STATION THAT IS AN OLD VOLUNTEER STATION IN PENNY FARMS BACK IN THE DAY THAT NO LONGER EXISTS. AND WITH THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT COMMISSIONER BURKE IS GOING TO HAVE IN THAT AREA, SHADOW LONG ALL OF THOSE TYPE OF AREAS, WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THAT GROWTH. NOR WILL WE BE ABLE TO MEET OUR TRAVEL DISTANCE. SO WE HAVE A STATION THAT WOULD GO AROUND THE SEA MARK RANCH AREA ON STATE ROAD 16. I HEARD YOU MENTION ABOUT THE ANIMAL CONTROL BUILDING EARLIER.

WE ACTUALLY THAT YOU HAD ABOUT THAT AS WELL. BUT WITH THE FLOODING THAT WE SAW IN THAT AREA, THAT IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THE BEST SPOT.

STATION 18 BELL LAYER IS SCHEDULED TO COME A LILITTLE FARTHER SOUTH.

KIND OF FUNNY IT WAS THE OLDEST FACILITIES THAT WE AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE LARGER ONES BUILT BACK IN 1964. THAT WILL MOVE SOUTH TO HELP WITH OUR COVERAGE AREAS.

AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL ONE WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY ON THE MAP RIGHT NOW LIKE STATION 16 I LABELED IT STATION 1 DON'T GET WRAPPED AROUND THE AXLE ABOUT THAT THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IT WOULD BE. BUT AROUND BRANDON FIELD AND BRE BRENNAN AREA TO SUPPORT THE POPULATION OF THAT AREA. I THINK, IF I DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING. THAT'S IT FOR MY AREA. ANY QUESTIONS?

. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: I GUESS NOT.

AT LEAST NOT RIGHT >> SPEAKER: I'M GOING TO STAY CLOSE IN CASE THE SHERIFF NEEDS

ME TO TAG TEAM ON ANY OF THE JOINT STUFF. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, CHIEF. SHERIFF MATA MONDAY DAY, COME OUT.

SHERIFF THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE HERE. I KNOW WE WAITED THROUGH A LOT

OF CAPITAL COMBRUCHMENTES BEFORE GETTING TO YOU >> SPEAKER: NOT A PROBLEM.

I APPRECIATE BEING HERE. FOR OUR LIST WE HAD TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH IN THE SHERIFF

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TRAINING FACILITY >> SPEAKER: PULL THAT DOWN. >> SPEAKER: PERFECT.

>> SPEAKER: I THINK WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE IS SOME OF THE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE PROJECT, THE TRAINING FACILITY AT THE BOTTOM WAS PROVIDED EARLIER.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH. I KNOW A LOT OF THE NEEDS WE DISCUSSED BEFORE.

EVERYTHING FROM THE FIRING RANGE TO THE TRAINING FACILITY BUILDING NEEDED OUT THERE.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A PROJECT THAT WE NEED TO KIND OF GET TO AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE WANT TO GO TO THAT AS THE COUNTY IS KIND OF MOVING FORWARD. I KNOW THAT IS A PROGRAM NOT FOR THIS COMING YEAR BUT THE YEAR AFTER. WORKING THROUGH THERE, WE HAVE OUR CAPITAL VEHICLE LINE THERE, THAT IS PROGRAMMED OUT PER YEAR. IF THERE'S ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT, I DO HAVE CHIEF DANGERFIELD HERE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT FOR US.

THE GUN RANGE WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IN DEPTH. AND I KNOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN PARTNERSHIP WITH YOU ON THAT. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION RELATED TO THAT. MOVING DOWN THE PUBLIC SAFETY MARINE AND STORAGE DOCK, I BELIEVE THIS IS PART OF THE PARTNERSHIP WITH GREEN COVE SPRINGS. THIS MAY BE SOME ANCILLARY COSTS RELATED TO THEM AND THE BUILDING WHERE WE ARE PROVIDING US ANOTHER SPACE THERE. THE SHAUFTS STORAGE FACILITY IS A PRIORITY FOR US. ALL OF OUR SPECIALIZED LARGE KEPT IS OUTDOORS, EXPOSED TO ELEMENTS. WE'RE TRYING TO CORRECT THAT AND ONCE AGAIN LOOKING TO PARTNERING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THEY HAVE NEEDS THERE AS WELL. THE BOTTOM TWO THERE ARE REALLY -- THEY REALLY GO TO TOETHER. THE JO EXPANSION STUDY AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE BUILDING I HAD A CHANCE TO SHARE WITH YOU THIS WEEK.

492 IS OUR CAP AND WE WERE UP TO 277 ON MONDAY -- 477 ON MONDAY. WE'RE DOWN TO 492 TODAY.

BUT THAT'S STILL AN ISSUE THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH ON A REGULAR BASIS KEEPING THE NUMBER DOWN AND MANAGEABLE ESPECIALLY WITH COVID STILL BEING A FACT TOSHT. OBVIOUSLY THE MOVING OF OUR BUILDING IS DIRECTLY TIED TO EXPANDING THE REST OF THE JAIL INTO THAT FACILITY BEING THE

MOST COST EFFECTIVE OPTION >> SPEAKER: NOTHING IS NOTED HERE ABOUT THE PRISON FARM THAT

YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT. >> I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. THE DOCUMENT WE PROVIDED THE EARLY CIP REQUESTED PEERS FOR THE SECOND BULLETED ITEM. THE TRAINING FACILITY COMPLEX, IT MENTIONS IN HERE THAT THE P FARM. IT IS NOT MENTIONED IN HERE.

BUT IT IS SOMETHING WE DISCUSSED WITH THE SHERIFF AND OUR STAFF. MANY OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY RGARDING THE NEED TO AT SOME POINT IN TIME TAKE SENTENCED INMATES WHO DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH TO COURT TO CREATE ADDITIONAL SPACE THERE ON THE PROPERTY WE MENTIONED IN PAST POTENTIALLY A PRISON FARM SITUATION OUT THERE, WHERE THE FOLKS CAN GET HOUSE AND GET THE SERVICES THEY NEED TO BE RELEASED BACK IN THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO BE BETTER CITIZENS FOR US HERE. AND OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO TRANSFER THEM BACK AND FORTH.

>> SO THE LANE WE HAVE IS SUFFICIENT. >> SPEAKER: YEAH, MY UNDERSTANDING CLOSE 150 ACRES OUT THERE. THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH SPACE TO

PROGRAM THAT IN AS WELL >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT AT ALL.

THAT MUST NOT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED WITH MY CONVERSATIONS. MAYBE I CAN GET WITH YOU LATER

AND FIND OUT INFORMATION ON THAT >> SPEAKER: SURE. >> SPEAKER: NEWS TO ME TOO.

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THAT. >> SPEAKER: IT PROBABLY -- IT

WASN'T VERY LONG. >> SPEAKER: NO, IT WASN'T IN THE FORMAL.

I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT NOW. SINCE MANY OF YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT IT.

SO AS WE'RE BRAINSTORMING IDEAS TO TRY TO BRING JAIL CAPACITY DOWN.

ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU SEE IN OTHER FEDERAL FACILITIES TO BRING THE CAPACITY DOWN IS THEY CREATE A P FARM. PRISON FARM. FOR OTHER INDIVIDUALS ALREADY THROUGH COURT APPEARANCES AND DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK AND FORTH. TYPICALLY OUT IN A RURAL AREA, WHERE THERE'S NOT AS MUCH CONCERN OVER A CORRECTIONAL FACILITY.

THOSE FOLKS ARE TYPICALLY SENTENCED TO A YEAR OR LESS. MISDEMEANOR OFFENDERS SPEND THEIR TIME THERE, THEY GET TRADES, DRUG TREEMTH AND GROW CROPS TO SUSTAIN THE FACILITY.

IT TAKES THE LOAD OF THE FACILITY OFF DOWNTOWN NEXT TO THE COURTHOUSE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE

TO GO BACK AND FORTH TO COURT. >> SPEAKER: WHAT WOULD YOU OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD TO KNOW, ESTIMATE THE NUMBER OF INMATES WE HAVE NOW THAT WOULD BE QUALIFIED TO BE IN THAT KIND OF

A PROGRAM? >> SPEAKER: AND THIS IS JUST AN ESTIMATION.

I WOULD SAY MAYBE A QUARTER TO A THIRD. THE REST OF THEM ARE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH TO COURT. THE NUMBER COULD BE A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT.

YOU BUT I WOULD WANT TO RESEARCH IT TO GIVE YOU A HARD NUMBER >> SPEAKER: IF YOU WERE RUNNING

AT 470 -- >> SPEAKER: 477. SO MAYBE 400 OF THEM STILL GOING

BACK AND FORTH BACK TO COURT. MAYBE -- I'D HAVE TO -- >> I CAN GET THE HARD NUMBER FOR

YOU, I JUST DON'T KNOW IT OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >> AT THIS POINT.

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THAT SATISFIES THE THOUGHT PROCESS >> SPEAKER: THE ORIGINAL THOUGHT IN ANYTHING OUT OF THE PROJECT FROM THE GUN RANGE THAT BREEZELER S' PROPOSAL WAS TO DO

A FARM ALONG WITH A TRAINING CENTER AND A GUN RANGE. >> SPEAKER: WE'D HAVE TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT THAT SINCE THAT'S IN MY DISTRICT. I'M NOT -- I'M NOT SURE THAT

WILL BE REAL WELCOMED. >> ARE THERE SECURITY DIFFERENCES FOR THOSE TYPE

PRISONERS? >> IT IS STAFFED BY CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS LIKE THE DOWNTOWN JAIL WOULD BE. IT IS GOING TO BE DORMITORY STYLE, FENCED IN, SECURE.

IF COMMISSIONER OR ANY OF YOU WANTED TO SEE ONE, WE COULD TAKE YOU TO ONE TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS

LIKE. >> YEAH, IT IS JUST LIKE WE HAD TALKED BEFORE, NOBODY WANTS THE

JAIL IN THEIR BACKYARD. >> COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. >> SO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO

LIVE IN THAT AREA. >> I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND. >> SO AROUND THE STUDY THAT YOU MENTIONED HERE, THAT WOWOULD BEN TERMS OF UTILIZING SPACE IN THE CURRENT JAIL FOR OTHER THINGS AND THEN WORKING ITS WAY INTO THE CURRENT WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> AND THEN MOVING THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE UP.

>> SPEAKER: EXACTLY. THE SPACE WHERE WE HAVE -- ALL OF THE OFFICES ARE, THOSE COULD BE CONVERTED INTO LOWER LEVEL SECURITY LEVEL DORMITORY STYLE FOLKS.

SOME ARE WORKING AS PRESENTENCE, WORK AS TRUSTEES AND THOSE FOLKS GUARDED THERE.

CORRECTIONAL OFFICERS WILL BE THERE AND THAT PART OF THE BUILDING WILL BE HARDENED AND SECURED AS WELL. THAT WOULDN'T CHANGE BUT THE HARDENED CELL AREAS THAT YOU ALL HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TOUR FACILITY AT THAT'S WHERE THE REPEAT OFFENDERS AND HIGH RISK

INMATES WILL BE >> SPEAKER: WHAT WOULD YOU ESTIMATE THE TIME -- I GUESS THE

TWO -- TO CONDUCT A STUDY LIKE THAT WOULD BE? >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. AND I HATE TO MISLEAD YOU. THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO START ON RIGHT AWAY CERTAINLY WITH THE NUMBERS BEING WHERE THEY ARE.

. >> MIKE CELLA CHAIR: COMMISSIONER RENNINGER.

>> JIM RENNINGER: SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT. YOU WANT A FACILITY TO STORE

YOUR SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT. WHAT IS SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT? >> SPEAKER: THE COMMAND POSTS THE NEGOTIATORS FOR THE S.W.A.T. TEAM. THE ARMORED VEHICLES AS WELL.

SOME OF THE BOAT EQUIPMENT THINGS LIKE THAT S, BOATER TRAILERS

>> SPEAKER: I MEAN, THE COMMAND POST IS A MOTOR HOME, RIGHT. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S CORRECT.

. >> JIM RENNINGER: WE HAVE LOTS ALL OVER THE COUNTY WHERE THEY STORE MOTOR HOMES OUTSIDE. HUMVEES ARE MADE TO BE OUTSIDE OPERATIONAL

>> SPEAKER: RIGHT. >> JIM RENNINGER: SO I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT ONE >> SPEAKER: THESE ARE EXTREME -- I UNDERSTAND. THESE ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT.

IT IS NOT JUST A MOTOR HOME. WE'RE NEGOTIATING ON A NEGOTIATORS VEHICLE NOW FILLED WITH THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF ELECTRONICS FOR COMMUNICATIONS. WHEN YOU LEAVE THAT STUFF OUT IN THE ELEMENTS, IT DOES -- IT TAKE AS TOLL. IT EATS THEM UP.

SHORTENS THEIR LIFE SPAN >> SPEAKER: STORAGE IS A MAJOR ISSUE Y'ALL ARE HAVING.

LACK OF SHORTAGE >> SPEAKER: ABSOLUTELY. ALL OF IT CURRENTLY IS OUTDOORS AND MUCH OF IS SHOWING WEAR FOR THAT REASON. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THEY SHOULD LAST A LONG TIME. THIS OUR EFFORT TO STRETCH IT OUT.

>> HUMVEE IS BUILT PRETTY GOOD. >> SPEAKER: I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HUMVEES, I'M TALKING ABOUT

LARGER VEHICLES YES, SIR, I UNDERSTAND. >> SPEAKER: ANYTHING ELSE FOR

THE SHERIFF AT THIS TIME? >> SPEAKER: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, SHERIFF

>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU FOR STAYING. >> SPEAKER: THANK YOU.

>> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT. AND I GUESS MOVE ON TO OUR SECOND ROUND WITH TERESA AND PUBLIC WORKS? BY THE WAY, IF I DO HAVE ONE CARD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, WE'RE COMING UP ON OUR PUBLIC

COMMENT SESSION HERE IN JUST A FEW MINUTES, I'M SURE. >> SPEAKER: I WILL ALSO ASK RICHARD TO TAG TEAM WITH ME. BECAUSE YOU WILL SEE SOME OF THESE AS WE LOOK TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO SPLIT OUR DIVISION WHILE WE ALSO STILL WORK TOGETHER.

AND JUST KIND OF A CONTINUATION WHAT WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE DIRT ROAD PROGRAM, I WOULD HOPE TO SEE WE START TO GROW THESE CATEGORIES. PREVIOUSLY WE JUST HAD THE ROAD SURFACING CATEGORY. BUT THIS YEAR, WE PUT A PLACE HOLDER FOR WHAT WE WOULD CALL ROAD PAVING. COMMISSIONER BOWLA MENTIONED OAK LEAF.

THAT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO GO TO DO A POTHOLE PATCH. THERE ARE SOME PLACES THAT WE COULD LEND NOT NECESSARILY RESURFACING BUT DOING MORE EXTENSIVE BATCHING THAT GIVES US 10 OR 11 YEAR LIFE FROM MAINTENANCE PATCHING INTO THE CIP PROGRAM.

THAT IS WHERE WE LOOK TO DO THE ROAD PAVING. A FEW WEEKS AGO RICHARD AND I LOOKED AT EGG HARBOR THE ENTRANCE INTO THAT COMMUNITY. ABOUT 1,000 FEET OF PAVING.

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WOULD FALL INTO THIS CATEGORY. SO -- I'M SORRY. >> SP

>> CAN I JUST ASK -- BECAUSE THAT'S A CHANGE, A HUGE CHANGE FROM PREVIOUS YEARS.

THERE HAD BEEN A HALF BILLION DOLLARS TO PAVE DIRT ROADS IN EVERY PREVIOUS ONE AND NOW THAT'S GONE. IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THIS HALF MILLION

DOLLARS FOR, SO THAT'S HUGE >> SPEAKER: SORRY.

NO. AND I'LL DEFER TO REG I DON'T REFER SEEING A CIP SHEET --

>> SPEAKER: IT IS THERE. >> SPEAKER: IT IS STILL THERE. >> SPEAKER: ROAD RESURFACE -- I ALWAYS HAD A PROBLEM WITH WHAT THEY CALL IT. ROAD RESURFACING IS WHAT I WOULD

CALL REPAVING >> SPEAKER: YES. >> SPEAKER: THE ROAD PAVING

THAT THEY PUT UNDER THERE THAT'S FOR DIRT ROAD. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT SHE'S SAYING.

SHE'S SAYING THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND ROAD PAVING IS THIS PATCHING

>> SPEAKER: NO. I BELIEVE -- I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER CELLA IS CORRECT THAT THE DIRT ROAD REPAVING AND RICHARD JUMP IN -- WE'VE GOT ONE RIGHT NOW, IF YOU'RE PAVING A

DIRT ROAD IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE ROAD RESURFACING >> SPEAKER: NO.

IT WOULD BE THE PAVING -- >> SPEAKER: NO -- >> SPEAKER: BUT

THEY'RE -- AGAIN, I WOULD -- >> SPEAKER: RIGHT. THEN THAT -- THEN THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT -- THAT'S -- THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WANT TO ADDRESS.

I ACTUALLY, REG, WANTED TO CREATE ANOTHER LINE FOR -- SO WE WOULD HAVE UPGRADING A DIRT ROAD TO A PAVED SURFACE. WHICH I'M GUESSING WAS THE 605. BUT WE ALSO PUT IN A REQUEST.

IS THAT WHERE THE YELLOW IS COMING FROM REG? WE NEED TO LAND SOMEWHERE BETWEEN DIRT ROADS WE'RE GOING TO REPAVE AND WE'VE GOT RESURFACING PROJECTS.

BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHER ROADS LIKE OAK LEAF AND EGG HARBOR THAT WE CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND PAPER. SO WE NEED TO CREATE A LONGER SERVICE LIFE.

AND I BELIEVE WE LOOKED MAYBE LAST YEAR IT ACTUALLY -- AT ACTUALLY CREATING A PAVING TEAM WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS. AND THAT WAS NOT FEASIBLE. AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE WHOLE GREATER CONVERSATION WE WERE HAVING EARLIER. EVEN IF WE WENT OUT AND BOUGHT PAVING EQUIPMENT TRYING TO GET STAFF TO COME WORK FOR US AND COMPETE WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES GOING ON BOTH IN OUR AREA AND IN THE REGION, IT WAS DECIDED WE WOULD NOT DO IT. SO, AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO GET RID OF -- THERE WOULD STILL BE A DIRT ROAD CONVERSION TO THE PROGRAM.

RICHARD HAS ONE PROJECT RIGHT NOW -- I'M SORRY >> SPEAKER: DEER TRAIL WOULD BE A CONVERSION. BUT I THINK THAT WOULD ALL GOES TO -- RIGHT NOW WE'RE STARTING TO DEVELOP A PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. IN THE PAST WE JUST HAD -- IT APPEARS -- TWO CATEGORIES. WE NEED TO GROW THAT. AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE LISTS

THAT CAN FEED THESE PROGRAMS >> SPEAKER: SO MY THOUGHT, THEN, IS -- YOU'RE WANTING TO CREATE ANOTHER CATEGORY WHERE YOU CAN TAKE THE MONIES AND DO ONE OF THESE EXTENSIVE PAT PATCHING -- TO GET RID OF THE POTHOLES. BECAUSE YOU MAY NEED TO DO -- THERE'S A COUPLE OF INTERSECTIONS THAT I KNOW THAT BASICALLY ARE PRETTY RUTTED AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO YOU CAN MAKE IT A FOUR-WAY STOP WITHOUT HAVING TO DO PAVING

ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD AND BE ABLE TO STRETCH YOUR DOLLARS. >> EXACTLY.

AS WE SEE MORE TRUCK TRAFFIC IN THE AREA. YOU MAY SEE AREAS WHERE YOU WANT TO DO CONCRETE WORK AND AN INTERSECTION THAT YOU'VE GOT RUT ING SO THAT WOWOULD BE FALL INT THIS CATEGORY. WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT LANDS IN MAINTENANCE. IT HAS TO HAVE THE EXTENDED LIFE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT IS UP IN DEBBIE'S PART WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT A SERVICE LIFE.

YOU'RE LOOKING LIKE 10, 15, 20 YEARS. BUT I FEEL LIKE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT I GET A LOT OF CALLS FROM THE CITIZENS.

AND OUR ANSWER IS THAT -- TODD AND I HAVE TO GIVE THEM IS, SORRY, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THAT DOLLARS IN THE MAINTENANCE BUDGET. AND THEN IF I GO TO LOOK AT THE RESURFACING LIST, IT IS NOT ELEVATING HIGH ENOUGH ON THE RESURFACING LIST.

AT THE SAME TIME, THE RESIDENTS HAVE A LEGITIMATE COMMENT ABOUT THE REPAVING CONDITION.

I SEE RICHARD WORKING WITH OUR TEAMS AND WITH CONSULTANT SUPPORT AND REALLY CREATING A TRUE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. AND I THINK THAT WILL START TO SUPPORT WHAT OUR TRUE FUNDING LEVEL NEED IS. WE TOOK A STAB AT IT THIS YEAR. BUT, AGAIN, RATHER THAN WE TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER WHERE YOU THROW A MILLION DOLLARS ON EQUIPMENT, WE'LL ACTUALLY START TO SHOW SUPPORT OF ACTUAL ROADS AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS. BUT I THINK YOU CAN'T JUST HAVE ONE OR TWO PROGRAMS, THERE HAS TO BE SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT FEED KEEPING THE ROADS BOTH

FROM A PROACTIVE AND ALSO A REACTIVE POSITION. >> WELL, AND I THINK THE OTHER

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THE CAVEAT THE COMMISSIONER PUT ON IT WAS WE SPEND THE 5 MILLION WITHIN A PARTICULAR YEAR.

RIGHT? UNFORTUNATELY THAT STILL HASN'T HAPPENED.

WHEN WE LOOK BACK. SO WE COULD BE THAT MUCH FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING, IF WE ACTUALLY SPENT THE MOMENT OF MONEY WE APPROPRIATED SO I THINK --

>> I THINK YOU'LL BE VERY PLEASED TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SECOND APARTMENT OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. I KNOW HOW TO SPEND MONEY BOTH AT WORK AND AT HOME.

BUT I AGREE TOTALLY. I DON'T LIKE TO LEAVE A DOLLAR ON THE TABLE.

WHEN IT TAKES A LOT TO GET YOU TO BUDGET MONIES FOR US BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY NEEDS.

SO WHEN YOU -- WHEN YOU GIVE US THOSE DOLLARS THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THOSE DOLLARS, SMARTLY. I WANT TO SEE THINGS LIKE MAYBE A MICRO RESURFACING PROGRAM.

ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE TO LOOK AT IS DO WE HAVE VENDOR THAT DOES MICRO RESURFACING.

CRACK CEILING, THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE PART OF OUR PROGRAM, THAT WE'RE WORKING ON WITH INTERNAL STAFF BUT ALSO SUPPORT FROM OUR PARTNERS AND SOME OF THE CONSULTANTS IN THE AREA.

>> ARE THEY ALSO GOING TO CONSIDER HOW MUCH STAFF TIME IS SPENT GOING OUT AND FILLING POTHOLES? BECAUSE I KNOW OF A PARTICULAR SET OF POTHOLES THAT I DRIVE PAST MULTIPLE TIMES EVERY DAY. AND I THINK IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS THEY'VE PROBABLY BEEN OUT THERE AT LEAST FOUR OR FIVE TIMES. AND SO IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE -- IS IT -- I DON'T KNOW. WHY IT IS NOT WORKING WELL. BUT I JUST HOPE YOU ARE GOING TO CONSIDER THE WHOLE PICTURE. I KNOW I SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD.

I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS EVERY SINGLE DAY, Y'ALL PAYING MONEY TO PAVE ROADS LIKE AS BURY AND RICHARD EXPLAINED WHY. BUT THE FIRST ROAD TO BE PAVED IS IN COMMISSIONER BURKE'S DISTRICT NOT IN MINE. AND I UNDERSTAND DEER TRAIL THEY HAD TO TAKE THE GRATER ALL THE WAY OUT AND IT COST A LOT OF MONEY. BUT THE TAX PAYERS DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT THEY WANT TO SEE RESULTS SO IT IS REALLY FRUSTRATING TO HEAR WE LEFT MONEY ON THE TABLE IN PREVIOUS BUDGET YEARS FOR ANY KINDS OF RESURFACING OR PAVING OF ANY KINDS. AND THAT JUST CAN'T HAPPEN. I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

IF WE CAN COME UP WITH THE MONEY WHY CAN'T WE CARRY IT OVER AND WHY ISN'T THIS MONEY NOW $10 MILLION? AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MONEY WENT.

BUT -- >> SPEAKER: AND I THINK THE OTHER GOOD THING THAT RICHARD DID THIS YEAR WITH KAREN'S HELP IS WE HAVE TWO CONTRACTORS. AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO LEVERAGE OUR DRAIN LINE CONTRACT. SO IN THEORY WE REALLY HAVE FOUR CONTRACTORS THAT WE CAN USE.

SO THERE SHOULD REALLY BE NO REASON WHY WE LEAVE MONEY ON THE TABLE.

SO WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT EFFORT. BUT I ALSO THINK, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE BUDGETING WHILE -- I THINK THERE WERE SOME REQUESTS TO BUDGET IN T THE -- MAYBE IN THE AREA OF 8, 9 MILLION. I THINK LET'S WORK AT THIS 4, 5 MILLION DOLLAR LEVEL AND SHOW THAT HE WITH CAN DELIVER AND SHOW THAT WE'RE DELIVERING IN THE RIGHT METHOD. SO WE'VE GOT A LIST NOW. WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE THAT LIST.

AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT PAVING LIST AS A LIVING DOCUMENT.

SO -- BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE ALSO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ISSUES THAT COME UP THAT AREN'T ON THE LIST. BUT THAT ARE LEGITIMATE FIXES. AND IT IS NOT THE SHORT POTHOLE PATCHING. OR -- AND THEN MAYBE BUN OF THE THINGS THAT -- ONE OF THINGS THAT I NEED TO TALK TO MIKE AND OUR TEAM ABOUT IS TECHNIQUE FOR POTHOLE PATCHING.

I THINK HOWARD AND RICHARD AND I WENT OUT A COUPLE OF FRIDAYS AGO TO AN EMERGENCY SPOT.

WHERE WE HAD DONE A PATCH IN FRONT OF A CITIZENS HOME. AND BECAUSE THE TRASH TRUCKS ROAD OVER IT, THE PATCH FAILED. WE WENT OUT AND DID A -- WHAT I WOULD CALL A TRUE PATCH.

BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, TRAINING THE STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT IS A -- WHAT IS ROUND PATCH VERSUS WHAT IS REST GET IN THERE SAUL CUT DO SOME TAMPING AND PUT SOME GOOD MATERIAL DOWN.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN WORK AT. BUT, AGAIN, THAT IS ALL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE. IT IS NOT ONLY HAVING A CONTRACTOR PAVING PROGRAM BUT AN

UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR STAFF CAN DO >> SPEAKER: IF YOU'VE GOT TEN POTHOLES IN A HALF A MILE AND CERTAINLY I WOULD THINK YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT REBUILDING 20% OF THE ROAD AS OPPOSED TO RESURFACING THE WHOLE THING AND GETTING THE PIECE WITH THE POTHOLES FIXED. MY FEELING ON THIS STUFF IS THAT I'VE HAD CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE

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DIME IN A LOT OF YEARS. >> WELL, AND THAT'S SOMETHING RICHARD AND I ARE WORKING ON TOGETHER. IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE TOP 50 ROADS THAT ARE POSTED ON OUR WEBSITE CURRENTLY, THERE'S A LOT OF LOCATIONS THERE THAT ARE 10,000, 30,000, 50,000.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE CAN START TO SEE US IN EACH OF YOUR COMMUNITIES.

AND THAT'S WHAT IS IMPORTANT. WHILE WE MAY NOT DO ONE -- 1 MILLION ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYBODY, THERE DOES STILL HAVE TO BE SOME TYPE OF DISTRIBUTION. AND MAYBE THAT BECOMES BOTH PAVING AND -- AND SOME OF THIS DRAINAGE WORK WE NEED TO DO. SO I FEEL LIKE THE CITIZENS NEED TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY. SO I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE

CAN WORK ON TOGETHER. >> AND I THINK THAT -- I DO HEAR QUITE A BIT OF FEEDBACK OF THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIZENS THAT ARE VERY FRUSTRATED THAT WE TALK ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE.

BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE, THEN WHY DO YOU BOTHER TO PUT IT OUT FOR BID? BECAUSE WHY -- IT MAY NOT BE A MILLION DOLLARS A MILE. SOMEBODY MIGHT BE MORE COMPETITIVELY PRICED. YOU KNOW, THE FIRE STATION -- THIS IS NOT APPLES TO APPLES. THE FIRE STATION REPAIRS WE HAD TO DO, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT $150,000 EACH. AND THEN THEY ALL CAME IN BELOW THAT.

BECAUSE THEY WENT OUT AND GOT FIVE COMPETITIVE BIDS ON THEM. SOMETIMES I GET FEEDBACK FROM CONSTITUENTS THAT SAY YOU GUYS HAVE SET THE BAR SO HIGH AND THEY'RE ALL NOT CURBS AND GUTTER AND BY PLANES. SOME OF THIS IS JUST PULLING OUT OF MY DRIVEWAY TO GO TO MY MAILBOX KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW. OR THE ONE WE SAW THE PICTURE OF WHERE THE CUL-DE-SAC -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHERE THAT WAS. BUT I THINK IT WAS IN YOUR DISTRICT AS WELL COMMISSION ER BOLLA. THAT KIND OF THING IS A VERY FRUSTRATING TO CITIZENS.

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, IT IS ALSO VERY FRUSTRATING TO STAFF. MIKE COMES BACK EVERY DAY WHERE HE HAS TO SELL A CITIZEN, I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET THIS YEAR LEFT TO DO THAT FOR YOU. WE HAVE ONE IN A CUL-DE-SAC WHERE THE UNDER DRAINS FAILED.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POTHOLES ON OAK LEAF OR EGG HARBOR IT IS TOUGH AND THAT'S WHAT HE HAS TO TELL THE CITIZENS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME WE KNOW OUR OPERATING BUDGET CAN'T INCREASE EITHER. SO IT IS BALANCE ALL OF THAT.

YOU BUT, AGAIN, I THINK IT IS WHERE YOU SHOW WE'RE DELIVERING AND MAKING SMART CHOICES AND HAVING THE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS AVAILABLE TO US, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT COST AND THAT PROJECT LANDS IN THE RIGHT JOB. SOMETIMES IT IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE TO BE IN THE PAVING CONTRACTS. AND SOMETIMES IT IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE TO BE IN WHAT WE CALL OUR DRAIN LINE CONTRACTS BECAUSE IT HAS DRAINAGE WORK THAT IS DRIVING THE PAYMENT FAILURE

ISSUES THERE >> SPEAKER: FOR THE FIRST FOUR YEARS THAT I WAS ON THIS BOARD, WE DID VIRTUAL LY NO MAJOR ROAD RESURFACING AND PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS THEY TRIED TO EQUALIZE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY PS THIS, DIRECTOR, AND 50 CENTS OVER HERE.

AND WE GOT NOTHING DONE. WE FINALLY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE TURNED IT OVER TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND SAID, YOU TELL US WHERE THE WORST ROADS IN THE COUNTY ARE.

AND I THINK YOU NEED TO BUILD A SYSTEM LIKE THAT THAT WE ALL BELIEVE SO THAT WE'RE NOT UP HERE TRADING TO GET A ROAD IN MY BACKYARD. I MEAN, I -- THAT'S MY FEELING, OKAY. AND TO DO THAT IS HARD. AND I GET THAT PART.

THE OTHER ISSUE -- THIS PAVING, THE 5 MILLION BUCKS DOESN'T GO VERY FAR WHEN YOU HAVE TO REBUILD ALL OF THE PIPES UNDERNEATH THE ROAD. WE HAD A PROPOSAL UP HERE AT ONE POINT TO START SOME KIND OF DRAINAGE. I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A TAX.

BUT IT WAS A FEE. >> SPEAKER: STORM WATER FEE. >> SPEAKER: AND IT WAS BASED ON A PREMISE THAT EV EVERY -- EVERY -- EVERY PARCEL IN THE COUNTY SHOULD PAY SO MUCH. THERE WAS AN ALTERNATE WAY TO DO THAT.

WHICH WAS THE SURFACE AREA OF THE BUILDING, WHICH I THINK IS WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT AGAIN.

BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY NEED MORE MONEY TO ADDRESS THESE DRAINAGE ISSUES.

AND WE DON'T HAVE IT. AND I WOULD LOOK TO YOUR STAFF IN THE NEXT THREE TO SIX MONTHS

TO COME UP WITH A WORKABLE PLAN THAT WE COULD TRY AGAIN ON. >> SPEAKER: YUP.

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AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS OUR STORM WATER STUDY. NOW, WE DIDN'T FUND IT TO THE MILLION DOLLAR LEVEL I BELIEVE THAT WAS SUGGESTED BUT I FEEL LIKE WE CAN LEVERAGE WHAT GREEN COVE SPRINGS HAS DONE AS WELL AS ORANGE PARK IS DOING. AND ALSO SOME OF MY HISTORY, I WAS IN SALISBURY. WE WERE ABLE TO GET -- MARILYN HAS DIFFERENT TERMS BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT IN THE DIFFERENT STRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE STORM WATER PROGRAM.

WE ALSO UP IN NORTHEAST MARYLAND ALSO RECENTLY DID IT. SO I -- THERE'S TONS OF PLACES DOWN HERE THAT HAVE DONE IT. SO WE CAN LEVERAGE THAT. AND GO OUT AND SELL THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THAT IS -- I BELIEVE THAT IS ONE OF THE STUMBLING BLOCKS THAT OCCURRED LAST TIME. WE CAN WORK WITH TROY AND LEVERAGE WHAT DATA WE ALREADY HAVE. AND GET A GOOD CONSULTANT ON BOARD AND GO OUT AND SELL THE COMMUNITY ON WHY THIS MAKES SENSE. BECAUSE YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT LIST OF PAVING.

BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I DID THE FIRST MONTH I WAS HERE, IS WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CLEAN ROADS. I CALL CLEAN ROAD, NOT A WHOLE LOT OF DRAINAGE WORK.

THERE WEREN'T A WHOLE LOT. SO THAT IS WHERE THIS UTILITY FEE, DRAIN -- WHATEVER IT ENDS

UP BEING CALLED WOULD BE ABLE TO SUPPORT. >> I HAVE A COUPLE OF COM COMCOMMENTS. FROM THIS DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD, I HOPE YOU TAKE AWAY THAT WE ARE TRYING TO STRESS PAVEMENT OF ROADS. TO THE POINT WHERE COUNTY MANAGER KIND OF TOOK MY ADVICE. I TOLD HIM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WORKUP TO $10 MILLION A YEAR IN ROAD REPAVING ASSETS. HE PUT IT IN FOR YEAR 6 THROUGH 10, 50,000, THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO GET TO. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

STORM WATER FEE, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ANALYZE YOUR COUNTY, MUNICIPALITY, WHATEVER IT IS, YOU DON'T HAVE A ROCK TO STAND ON. SO WE NEED THIS STUDY STEP ONE TO JUSTIFY. AND YOU'LL GET -- THERE WILL BE NAYSAYERS, DON'T GET ME WRONG.

BUT THE OTHER 99% OF THE PUBLIC WILL SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE DRAINAGE PROBLEMS. AND YOU CAN CONVINCE THEM JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY THAT DRAINAGE WILL CAUSE A PAVEMENT FAILURE. IT WILL CAUSE FLOODING IN YOUR HOME AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT IT, WE'RE BUILT ON AN ISLAND. WE'RE BUILT ON A PENINSULA, SEA LEVEL RISE FOR WHATEVER REASON. IT IS A PROBLEM. IT IS GOING TO BE A WORSE PROBLEM. I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A GOOD -- I PUT A MILLION DOLLARS.

I I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS GOING TO COST.

BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE THING -- >> I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE IN PUBLIC WORKS CAN DO IS PULL THE DATA TO SHOW THE NUMBER OF CITIZENS CALLS WE GET ON DRAINAGE.

THERE'S NOT A DAY THAT GOES BY THAT SOMEONE DOESN'T CALL US OR E-MAIL US WITH A DRAINAGE SYSTEM. IT IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS THE WHOLE COMMUNITY.

SO IT IS NOT ONE LITTLE POCKET OF DRAINAGE ISSUES. THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY WE HAVE

DRAINAGE CONCERNS. >> A PROFESSIONAL WILL DO A STUDY WITH THE COUNTY AND IT WILL HOLD UP IN COURT AND WITH THE COUNTY. THEY'RE PROFESSIONALS.

>> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. ORANGE PARK HAS DONE A LOT OF POSITIVE WORK. WE'RE GETTING READY TO PARTNER WITH THEM AS AN EXTENSION ON SOME WORK THEY'VE ALREADY DONE UP THERE WITH THEIR ENGINEERING TEAM.

GREEN COVE SPRING HAS DONE WORK. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE LEVERAGED THAT INTO WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP MANAGE THE COST OF THE FRONT END OF THIS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME MAKE SURE WE DO THE HOMEWORK TO SELL IT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND HAVE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE VALUE BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO PAY ANY MORE MONEY. BUT IF THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THE VALUE IN WHAT IT IS GOING TO BRING TO THEM. AND THAT WHEN THEY CALL US FOR A CHANGE WE CAN ACTUALLY GIVE THEM A SERVICE. HOPEFULLY WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL IN SELLING IT. I'M OPTIMISTIC. BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT BE SUCCESSFUL WHERE I'VE BEEN BEFORE. IT IS NOT EASY.

BUT IF YOU GET THERE IN THE RIGHT METHOD, THE RIGHT TEAM, AS YOU SAID, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE INTERNAL STAFF TO DO ALL OF IT FOR US. BUT IF WE CAN PUT THE RIGHT

PACKAGE TOGETHER, I BELIEVE WE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL. >> SPEAKER: ANYTHING ELSE,

TERESA, YOU WANTED TO BRING TO OUR ATTENTION? >> SPEAKER: JUST REAL QUICK I WANTED TO MENTION. I THINK SEVERAL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ABLE TO ATTEND THE RECENT RIBBON CUTTING AT OUR FACILITY UP AT MASTERS PITT.

I DID NOT HAVE THE PLEASURE OF SEEING THE OLD FACILITY. I UNDERSTAND IT WAS NOT VERY GOOD. WE HAVE THE SAME SITUATION DOWN AT KNOWLES PITT.

YOU'LL SEE THAT IN HERE AS SOMEPLACE WE WANT TO BUILD THE CORRECT FACILITIES FOR OUR

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SO YOU'LL SEE THAT ON HERE. ALSO THERE IS ANOTHER DRAINAGE ISSUE IN TERMS OF LONG TERM LOOKING AT A -- CREATING A COSED DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN COMMISSIONER BOLLA'S AREA.

WE WANT TO DO THE STUDY NOW. WE SEE THAT, ONE, HAVE TO SEE IF IT IS FEASIBLE AND TWO, WE KNOW

IT WOULD BE A LARGE DOLLAR AMOUNT. >> THAT'S A BIG DEAL.

>> SPEAKER: LET'S DO THE UP FRONT WORK TO SEE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT.

AND PROGRAM IT IN THE OUT YEARS OR START TO SEE IT IN THE FIFTH YEAR

>> SPEAKER: PRESIDENT BUSH GIVES US THE MONEY -- NOT BUSH -- BIDEN.

>> SPEAKER: YUP. [LAUGHTER] >> SPEAKER: YOU AGED YOURSELF.

>> SPEAKER: I WISH WE WENT BACK TO BUSH. >> SPEAKER: ANOTHER DAY.

>> SPEAKER: WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO LEVERAGE ANY MONEY THAT TROY CAN FIND US AS THESE PROGRAMS COME ALONG. YOU SEE THE SIDEWALK LINE HAS NO FUNDING IN IT.

SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL, OTHER GRANT PROGRAMS TO GET DOLLARS TO DO WORK.

THE STORM WATER STUDY WE TALKED ABOUT. WE FUNDED THAT OVER TWO YEARS.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THE POND RIDGE IS ANOTHER ONE THAT HAS COME UP SINCE I HAVE COME ON BOARD. THE PINE RIDGE WE HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE DEPTH AS WELL AS SOME JOINT AND BASIN FAILURES. SO WE HAVE DONE SOME INTERNAL -- WE USED OUR OWN SURVEYOR TO DO SOME WORK RECENTLY AND WE WANT TO RAISE THAT LINE SO WE CAN MAINTAIN IT.

SO YOU SEE THE $1.6 MILLION REQUEST THERE >> SPEAKER: ALL RIGHT.

>> RICHARD I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO HIT ANY OF YOURS THE S.

>> SPEAKER: JUST ONE, THE SAFE ROUTE TO SCHOOL, IT IS A PRETTY ON NOR RUSS PROGRAM.

>> SPEAKER: AGAIN, IT IS -- I'VE USED IT OVER THE YEARS.

A LOT OF TIMES THERE IS A LOT OF DOLLARS LEFT OVER ON THE TABLE YOU HAVE TO DO THE FRONT END

WORK TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE >> SPEAKER: A LOT OF FRONT END WORK.

>> SPEAKER: IF WE CAN GET ONE LESS DOLLAR TO SPEND. WE DO HAVE THE SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE -- IN TERMS OF NEW SIDEWALKS IT CAN GET COST EFFECTIVE IT ELEVATES TO ACIP

TYPE OF PROJECT >> SPEAKER: I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT ON WHAT TERESA SAID BUT WE WILL SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN NEXT SIX MONTHS. WE'VE GOT JOHN CREEKS CEMETERY ROAD AND MIMOSA AND PRICED US IN TOMORROW. THE HABITAT NEIGHBOR WOULD TAKE US A WIDENING OF OUR WATCH. SHERWOOD IS A CLEAN ROAD AS TERESA SAID, A PAVING AND -- A REBUILDING AND RESURFACING. A PRICING ON IT TOMORROW AS WELL.

AND THERE'S A THIRD ONE THAT ESCAPES ME LONG BAY ROAD POURINGS ON IT IN THE NORTH END.

SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC PROJECTS THAT YOU SEE TAR AND SMELLS OUT THERE.

THE DIRT ROAD STUFF COMMISSIONER CONDON WE NEED TO APPROVE IT. WE FEED TO GET MORE MONEY IN THERE PERIOD. WE'VE GOT -- WE WILL BID DEER TAIL.

THE PLANS ARE COMPLETE. WE'RE GOING TO BID THAT WITH AN ALTERNATE FOR THESE PAVING ALTERNATIVES THAT TERESA HAS. THE ALTERNATES WILL BE APPROVED BY US BEFORE THEY GO TO THE PROCESS OF PRICING IT. THINK YOU WERE IN THERE WHEN YOU SAW WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH ST. JOHN'S. THE SAME DOING MANATEE COUNTY AND ST. JOHN'S ON A EXTENSIVE PROGRAM TO REPAVE ALL OF THEIR ROADS. AND THEY DID IT.

THEY MAY NOT BE 20, 30, 40 YEARS LIFE SPANS BUT THEY AIN'T GOT GRATERS OUT THERE.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION YOU GUYS NEED TO MAKE A DECISION, WHAT IS CHEAPER? IS IT CHEAPER GRATED THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR CHEAPER TO PUT ONE OF THESE LESSER QUALITY PRODUCTS DOWN THAT IS GOING TO GIVE US TEN YEARS RELIEF AND THEN IN THERE DOING RESURFACING MAYBE EVEN A REBUILDING JOB. BUT TERESA AND I ARE TRYING TO IDENTIFY THOSE NOW.

AND WE DO WANT MORE IN THE DIRT ROADS STUFF. WE TALKED ABOUT OWNERSHIP.

OWNERSHIP IS DETERMINED, NEED IS DETERMINED. WE'LL GO DO IT.

OKAY >> SPEAKER: I DO APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS BOTH OF YOU HAVE MADE.

>> SPEAKER: YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT PROCESS WHERE YOU'RE NOT TAKING THE USUAL PATH AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT OTHER WAYS TO TRY TO STRETCH THE DOLLARS AND AT THE SAME TIME BEING ABLE TO INCREASE OUR SURFACE TO THE FOLKS THAT NEED

IT. >> ONE THING IN CLOSING, JUST TO MAKE IT OFFICIAL, SO THAT IF THERE'S ANY -- WE CAN SPEAK OFF L LINE, THE ROAD RESURFACING LIST

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>> SPEAKER: THIS IS THE AUTOMATED. >> SPEAKER: THIS IS TO GO OUT, THIS IS THE NONBIAS DON'T TAKE FILE FIVE INSPECTORS IN FIVE DIRECTIONS AND COME BACK --

>> SPEAKER: MAKE IT SO GOOD THAT NOBODY UP HERE CAN SAY I DON'T BELIEVE IT.

>> RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO USE THA THAT -- THAT WE HAVE IF IT IS OKAY TO DO THE WORK WE'RE GOING TO DO OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. SO --

>> SPEAKER: AND MR. CHAIRMAN IF I MAY ADD ON THAT, WE DID GO OUT WITH AN RFP.

KAREN IS NOT HERE. BUT WE LOOKED AT THAT AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS NO AMBIGUITY IN THE ROADS THAT WOO

>> SPEAKER: CORRECT. >> SPEAKER: SO WHEN HE -- WE LOOKED AT THIS WE COULD'VE EASILY PULLED THE TRIGGER WITH $25,000 ON IT. WE THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T GET WHAT WE WANTED ON IT TALKING WITH TROY, TO SEE IF IT WOULD MIRROR UP WITH OUR GIS SYSTEM.

WE TALKED IN HOUSE AND WANT TO GET IT DONE THE RIGHT WAY WHERE THERE'S NO QUESTION,

COMMISSIONER BOLLA. THAT'S WHAT IS GOING ON. >> WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT --

>> SPEAKER: HERE'S THE THING, I HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO JEFF SHEFFIELD A COUPLE WEEKS AGO.

THA THA THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY WHAT HE PRESENTED TO US. BASICALLY IT IS A DRONE. I TOLD A FEW COMMISSIONERS ABOUT IT. THAT PROVIDES AN AED WITHIN 35 MILES.

WHILE THERE I WAS ABLE TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE STUDY FROM THE FLORIDA TPO AND THE SYSTEM THAT WAS USED THERE. IF YOU TAKE THE HUMAN OUT OF THE SYSTEM WHERE IT IS JUST COMPLETELY DIGITAL AND THAT, IT IS VERY VERY COSTLY. AND THAT EXAMPLE THEY HAD AT THE TPO, THAT IS THE ONE THAT THEY DID -- HE CALLS IT A SAND BOX. HE LIKES TO CHECK THINGS OUT AND TRY THINGS OUT. AND THAT -- AND I MENTIONED WE WERE LOOKING AT --

>> SPEAKER: I INTERVIEWED THAT GUY THE OTHER DAY. >> SPEAKER: YOU DID.

>> SPEAKER: YES. >> SPEAKER: THE HUMAN SIDE WHERE YOU TAKE THE HUMAN OUT OF IT. IT IS STRICT IT WILL DETECTORS AND THAT.

OR IT IS A COMBINATION OF THE TECHNOLOGY AND THE HUMANS IN THE LOOP.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS, IT IS LESS COSTLY THAT WAY.

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BOARD UNDERSTOOD THAT TOO >> SPEAKER: BUT COMMISSIONER BOLLA, THAT FIRM HAS BEEN INVITED THEY'RE OUT OF PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA.

WE'LL SEND THE RFQ WHEN IT COMES OUT AND GAUGE THEIR LEVEL OF INTEREST.

THE FIVE DRAINAGE PROJECT YOU SEE THERE FROM LANDING DOWN TO GREENWOOD ARE UNDER DESIGN CURRENTLY WITH OUR CONSULTANT ACROSS THE STREET TO KOY. MOODY AVENUE DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAS -- IT WILL NOT PROCEED, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

SO -- BUT THE OTHER FIVE HAVE BEEN FUNDED. AND PO'S ARE ISSUED AND THEY'RE

UNDERWAY. >> SPEAKER: WHAT IS THE ISSUE WITH MOODY?

>> SPEAKER: I'M NOT SURE. OH, THE FEMA. FEMA TURNED IT DOWN.

FEMA DIDN'T ALLOWED IT. THEY'RE NOT PAPERING IN THAT. -- PARTICIPATING IN THAT.

THE SIDEWALK AT CLAY HILL ELEMENTARY WILL BE PUT OUT TO BID IN THE MONTH -- LATE MAY.

HOPEFULLY YOU HAVE THAT INSTALLED -- I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS BUT

EARLY IN THE SCHOOL YEAR. >> SPEAKER: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS?

>> SPEAKER: COMPLETED BY -- >> SPEAKER: JUST FOR A CLARIFICATION.

BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO LOOK BACK. SO ON OUR WEBSITE, WE TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY HAS ALLOCATED 5 MILLION PER ROAD RESURFACING THIS FISCAL YEAR.

>> SPEAKER: MM-HMM. >> SPEAKER: BUT THEN ON THE -- ON THE SHEET IT SAYS 4

MILLION. >> SPEAKER: COMMISSIONER CONDON, WHEN WE REWICKERED AND RECONSTITUTED THE CIP, THE VALUES THAT ARE LISTED FOR THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR OUT THROUGH 23/24, WHERE IT WAS 4 MILLION, 4.2, 4.5, AND 4.75, THAT WAS SO REG COULD BALANCE BY LAW THE CIP

AND HE DID THAT WHEN HE REWICKERED IT. >> BUT WE CAN'T FIX THE WEBSITE.

>> WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THE WEBSITE, YES, MA'AM, I'LL MAKE SURE --

>> SO WE HAD $5 MILLION BUDGETED IN 2020 AND 2021 AND DIDN'T -- >> SPEAKER: WE HAD IT/21 AND

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HAD IT OUT THROUGH 23/24. >> SPEAKER: WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPENT.

IS THAT THE ACTUAL >> SPEAKER: NO. WHO IS HERE THAT CAN TELL US WHAT WE ACTUALLY SPENT -- ACTUAL SPENT IF I REMEMBER LAST YEAR IT WAS 3$3.5 MILLION.

BUT I HAVE TO CHECK IT. DO YOU HAVE IT REG? >> SPEAKER: IT IS ON THE SHEET

THAT HE IS REFERRING TO. >> SPEAKER: WHERE? >> SPEAKER: 2.3.

>> SPEAKER: OKAY. >> SPEAKER: STAND CORRECTED. >> SPEAKER: SAME THING WITH THE

NEXT YEAR, 2.3 AND 2.38? >> SPEAKER: THAT WAS -- THAT'S NOT ACTUAL.

YOU HAVE TO -- THE FIRST COLUMN IS 1920 ACTUAL >> SPEAKER: 2.3.

>> SPEAKER: SO IT IS 2.388 ACTUAL SPENT. >> SPEAKER: CORRECT.

FOR 1920. YUP. YES, SIR.

>> SPEAKER: NOT VERY GOOD, IS IT? >> SPEAKER: NO.

WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT THIS YEAR >> SPEAKER: NO.

>> SPEAKER: BECAUSE WHEN WE PUT THE MONEY THERE, WE TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF SOME OTHER THING WE COULD'VE BOUGHT OR DONE. AND WHEN WE TIE IT UP LIKE THAT, THAT IS AS BAD AS NOT -- AS YOU WASTING THE MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE. OKAY.

>> WELL, THE MONEY DOESN'T GO AWAY. >> SPEAKER: NO.

IT JUST GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> WELL, WE WOULD'VE SPENT THAT MONEY ON SOMETHING ELSE WE

COULD'VE BOUGHT, A FIRE ENGINE -- >> YOU DID SPEND IT ON SOMETHING

ELSE. >> SPEAKER: I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.

FR>> SPEAKER: LIKELY BALANCE IT -- >> YEAH, IT WOULD STILL BE IN

THE CIP SOMEWHERE. >> SPEAKER: YEAH. >> SPEAKER: OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR RICH? NO. OKAY.

RICHARD THANK YOU. TERESA THANK YOU. >>> WE GO TO OTHER PROJECTS.

HOWARD, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU'RE GOING TO HANDLE OR SOMEONE COME UP TO HANDLE THAT?

>> SPEAKER: WE TALKED INTERNALLY. AND I'LL COVER THE -- OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S THE STANDARD ONES THAT ARE THERE. AND IN LOOKING AT THIS, IF YOU GO DOWN TO EQUIPMENT, GENERAL GOVERNMENT, AGAIN, THOSE ARE TRUCKS AND VEHICLES -- I NOTICED BY A QUICK REVIEW PROBABLY NEED TO PUT DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR 24, 25, 26 BY THE WAY.

STARTING AT THE TOP, SUPERVISOR ELECTION AID, THOSE WRAPPING UP THIS FISCAL YEAR.

FAIRGROUNDS IMPROVEMENTS ARE THERE. YOU CAN SEE THE F DAX EXHIBIT HALL ALSO MENTIONED THAT'S THERE. EQUIPMENT EXTENSION SERVICES.

AND NOTHING THERE. AND THE FOLLOWING YEARS. LOOKING AT THIS, SO YOU'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE PROPOSED. SO THESE WERE PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED, FIVE OF THE COMMISSIONERS. SO PARCEL PURCHASE FOR GREEN CODE SCREEN MUNICIPAL PARKING, LOOKING AT THE PARKING LOT AND THE PARKING SITUATION AROUND THE BUILDING AND AS WE GO -- PART OF THE PLAN FOR AROUND THE BUILDING AND THE PARKING IS TO BE TAKE AWAY THE FREE CLINIC ONCE THEY MOVE OUT AND GO TO COLLEGE IS DEMO THAT AND ADD MORE PARKING THAT IS THERE. THERE ARE SOME PARCELS. THERE'S ONE ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS FROM THE BUILDING HERE. AND BEHIND THE BUILDING THAT IT WOULD BE PROPOSED FOR SOME LAND PURCHASE. I THINK WHAT WE DID ON THERE, AND REG CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE JUST PUT A PLACE HOLDER OF 100,000. I CAN TELL YOU THE PARCEL ACROSS

THE STREET IS ALMOST 300,000 TO GET A FEEL >> SPEAKER: I WENT OVER HERE

DONE IN THE AREA OF 50,000. >> SPEAKER: AND BEHIND US IS 50.

YUP. THE NEXT ONE, BUILDING MAINTENANCE FACILITIES WAREHOUSE, THIS IS GENE HAD PUT THAT IN THERE FOR EQUIPMENT STORAGE METAL STRUCTURE TO REPLACE A LOST WAREHOUSE SPACE. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, GENE CAN ANSWER THAT OR ADDRESS THAT.

BUT WE PUT THAT IN IN OUTER YEARS. THAT'S WAY OUT IN THE 6 THROUGH 10. WE DID ACCOMMODATE JOHN WARD AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WITH THE OLD FIRE STATION AND GOT SOME STORAGE THERE. BUT THAT'S AT MAX CAPACITY.

CORRECT, JOHN? AND THAT. AND ALSO AS THE -- AS THE COURTHOUSE EXPANDS AND THE COURTROOMS EXPAND ON THE SECOND DECK THAT IS THERE, THAT'S NOT BUILT OUT, THE JUDGE SYLVESTER HAS BEEN WORKING WITH GENE AND I ON PUTTING COURTROOMS IN THERE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, THAT AREA IS A LOT OF STORAGE IS THERE. FURNITURE IS STORED THERE.

DOCUMENTS ARE STORED THERE. FROM THE CLERKS OFFICE, FROM OUR OFFICES.

AND THAT -- SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEED FOR SPACE, IS THE BOTTOM LINE.

SO WE PUT THAT AS A PLACE HOLDER IN THERE FOR THE OUTER YEARS AND MORE TO DISCUSS AS WE MOVE

FORWARD. >> IT MAKES SENSE TO BUILD ONE BIG STORAGE FACILITY FOR THE

COUNTY? >> SPEAKER: WE CAN DO THAT, YES, SIR.

>> AND THE SHERIFF ASKING -- >> SPEAKER: I KNOW THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS GOT

ISSUES AND -- >> SPEAKER: YES, SIR. THE LIBRARY EXPANSION.

AND THIS WAS A PROPOSAL MOVING THE MIDDLEBURG LIBRARY AND STAFF TO THE CHALLENGER CENTER AREA.

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>> SPEAKER: SO YOU WOULD MOVE THE MIDDLEBURG LIBRARY COMPLETELY?

>> SPEAKER: WE WOULD MOST LIKELY DO THAT IF THAT WOULD BE A PROPOSAL OR ADD ANOTHER

LIBRARY. >> SPEAKER: THOSE ARE NEAR EACH OTHER.

THE PEOPLE SERVED BY THE MIDDLEBURG LIBRARY ARE NOT GOING TO DRIVE OVER TO CHALLENGER

>> SPEAKER: WE WITH OUR NEW TECHNOLOGY, TROY CAN BACK ME UP ON THIS.

WE COULD LOOK AT STAFFING AT MIDDLEBURG AND UTILIZE MORE OF THE LOCKERS AND THAT.

BUT IT IS SELF-CHECK OUT. BUT, WE'LL, AGAIN, MA'AM, THAT WAS JUST WHAT WAS PROPOSED OUT THERE. AND I -- YOU KNOW, KEEPING MIDDLEBURG AND ADDING

CHALLENGER, GOT IT. >> KEEP IN MIND THE OPTTIICS OF IT.

IT IS NOT APPEALING AT ALL TO TAKE AWAY FROM THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS TO GIVE TO

THE NEW. >> SPEAKER: YES, MA'AM. THE NEXT ONE WAS KEYSTONE HEIGHTS LAKES PROJECTS. IN THE PAST, THE BOARD HAD VOTED TO PUT IN $40,000 A YEAR BY THINK IT WAS 2019. IT HAD ACCUMULATED 200,000. THERE WAS A REQUEST TO PUT THAT

BACK IN FOR A PROJECT FOR KEYSTONE HEIGHTS. >> YEAH.

SO ALL OF THE WAY BACK TO BEFORE ANY OF US WERE ON THE COMMISSION, BACK WHEN MS. STEWART WAS ON AS OUR COMMISSIONER, SAVE OUR LAKES HAD APPROACHED THE BOCC AT THAT TIME AND ASKED FOR MONEY TOWARDS THEIR RESTORATION PROJECTS THAT THEY DO.

THE COMMISSION HAD VOTED AT THAT TIME TO ALLOCATE IT AT $40,000 A YEAR UNTIL A CAP OF 200,000.

AND THEN IN -- WE THINK 2019 -- THE MONEY JUST APPEARED AND IT WAS TAKEN OUT.

AND EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE SAVE OUR LAKES GROUP CALLED ME. THEY WANTED TO COME AND USE SOME OF THAT MONEY TO DO ANOTHER CLEAN OUT OF THE ALLIGATOR CREEK PART THAT THEY HAD DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH ST. JOHN'S MOTOR MANAGEMENT A FEW YEARS AGO AND THERE WAS NO MONEY THERE.

SO I ASKED HOWARD IF HE WOULD PUT IT BACK IN BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION HAD MADE THAT COMMITMENT TO THE SAVE OUR LAKES GROUP TO PARTICIPATE IN THOSE PROJECTS THAT THEY DO.

AND I JUST FELT LIKE THAT WAS THE RIGHT THING. >> SPEAKER: WOULD THAT MONEY BE BETTER IN THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THE BUDGET RATHER THAN CAPITAL?

DEPENDING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO -- >> SPEAKER: YEAH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME AND APPROACH WITH PROJECTS. AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK

THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL LIST. >> AND IT DEPENDS -- THAT DEPENDS OBVIOUSLY ON THE COST OF THE PROJECT AND WHAT THE PROJECT IS, YES, SIR: AND, AGAIN, PROPOSAL, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I COULD CAPTURE THINGS THAT THE BOARD REQUESTED ME TO PUT ON IT.

>> SPEAKER: OH, I REMEMBER. I REMEMBER -- I THINK IT WAS THE SECOND YEAR THAT THEY WERE PUTTING THE 40,000 IN THERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD'VE BEEN TIMING THE RIGHT THING.

SO -- >> SPEAKER: UNTIL WE GOT THE BIG PILE OF MONEY FOR THE BLACK

CREEK PROJECT. THAT'S WHEN [INDISCERNIBLE] >> SPEAKER: THE LAST ONE ON THERE. COUNTY MUNICIPAL FACILITIES THERE CHALLENGER CENTER, AND LOOKING AT THAT, IT WAS A PROPOSED PROJECT TO PUT ON. THIS WOULD BE A COMBINED FACILITY BOTH WOULD HAVE THE POSSIBILITY OF A LIBRARY ON A PARTICULAR FLOOR, TAX COLLECTOR MAYBE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. AND THEN MAYBE HAVE A SHAUFTS SUBSTATION THERE.

AND THAT. THAT WAS PUT IN THERE, AGAIN, 10 TH MILLION PLACE HOLDER PUT THERE IN THE OUTER YEARS 6 THROUGH 10 AS A PROPOSAL.

AGAIN, LOOKING FOR LAND FROM THE DEVELOPER IN THAT AREA AND WHAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE.

OBVIOUSLY A BIGGER TYPE OF FACILITY WOULD REQUIRE MORE THAN 3.5 OR 4 ACRES SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE MORE. THERE WERE OTHER -- ANY QUESTIONS ON OTHER PROJECTS? AND JUST TO NOTE, THERE WERE PROJECTS THAT WERE PROPOSED THAT WERE NOT CONSIDERED CIP.

I'VE TAKEN NOTE. THE STAFF AND I WENT OVER THOSE ON WEDNESDAY.

THOSE WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THE HOUSE.

AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND I WILL POINT THOSE OUT AS WE GO THROUGH PREPARING THE BUDGET FROM THE GENERAL FUND AND WHERE I WAS ABLE TO PUT THOSE IN. AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS WILL BRIEF THOSE INDIVIDUALLY ALSO. SO I THINK -- PENDING ANY QUESTIONS -- AND I THINK I MAY

BE NEXT ON THE AGENDA PERHAPS -- >> SPEAKER: SURE.

YOU MIGHT AS WELL SLIDE RIGHT -- >> SPEAKER: CHAIRMAN, PENDING ANY QUESTIONS, IT WAS A REALLY OBVIOUSLY IN-DEPTH LOOK WITH REGARDS TO CIP.

WE STARTED WITH REVENUES. WE HAVE SOME POSSIBILITY ALTERNATIVE REVENUE STREAMS WITH REGARDS TO AMERICAN RESCUE. CARES ACT. AND THAT.

AND WE WILL TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT. ALSO ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE SIDE,

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WE WILL TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT AND THERE WILL BE MORE TO FLLOW IN TROY'S BRIEFS AND AS WE ADD THAT TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL TAKE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD HERE TODAY, PUT THEM DOWN, SEE HOW I CAN FLOW THOSE IN, AND I WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD. IF I'VE REMOVED SOMETHING OR CHANGED SOMETHING FROM THIS WORKING DOCUMENT HERE, I WILL POINT THAT OUT AND IT WILL BE COLOR CODED IN SOME WAY TO SAY IN ORDER TO GET IT BALANCED HERE'S WHAT I NEEDED TO DO BUT I ACCOMMODATE THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT IN ANOTHER WAY IN THAT. AND KNOW IT WILL BE UP FOR A VOTE AND -- DISCUSSION AND VOTE BY THE BOARD AFTER THAT. LOOKING AT THAT, I THINK THAT THE STAFF HAS BEEN HERE AND JUST ANY OTHER SPECIFIC ITEMS ON ANY TOPICS THAT THE BOARD MAY HAVE RIGHT NOW?

>> SPEAKER: MY UNDERSTANDING IS -- THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CIP -- BUT I GOT A REPORT THAT THE BINGO CARDS AT THE SENIOR CENTERS ARE BEING PRINTED FOUR TO A PAPER BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING TO BE THROWN AWAY. SINCE WE HAVEN'T REPLACED LIGHTED BOARDS FOR BINGO, THIS

IS A BIG DEAL >> SPEAKER: I WILL LOOK -- >> SPEAKER: IF SOMEBODY LOOKS

INTO THAT, PLEASE LIGHTED BOARDS AND -- >> SPEAKER: TERESA WILL HELE ON THAT. WE WILL CONTACT AGING TRUE IMMEDIATELY.

>> THANK YOU. >> YOU GOT IT. PENDING ANY QUESTIONS OTHER THAN

THAT? >> SPEAKER: ANYTHING ELSE? SHUFFLE BOARD OR --

>> SPEAKER: HA HA. >> SPEAKER: HEY OUR SENIORS ARE EXCITED TO BE BACK.

>> THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S GOOD THAT THEY'RE UTILIZING THE FACILITIES.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I THINK -- I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK I'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT TO DIGEST HERE BEFORE I CAN ASK ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. BUT ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?

>> SPEAKER: YEAH, I THINK IT WAS A GOOD PRESENTATION. I THINK YOU DID A GOOD JOB PULLING THIS TOGETHER FOR A FIRST CUT AND I THINK YOUR STAFF IS DESERVING OF A BBIG AT THAT BOY. AND THIS AIN'T EASY WHEN YOU'VE GOT FIVE OF US UP HERE THROWING STUFF AT YOU. AND I GET IT. WE NEED TO LOOK AT WAYS TO PAY FOR SOME OF THIS STUFF, THOUGH. THERE'S NOT -- [LAUGHTER] WE'VE GOT 10 MILES OF STUFF IN A 5 POUND SACK YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK WE OUGHT TO -- I LIKE THE IDEA OF THE STUDY FOR THE DRAINAGE.

THAT IS ONE AVENUE OF REVENUE. WE -- WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT. THE ROAD CONCEPT WHERE WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING MAINTENANCE ANY MORE, I THINK THAT IS REALLY GOING TO GET US DOWN THE LINE HERE IN A FEW MORE YEARS, IT IS REALLY GOING TO START PAYING BACK. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH DIRT ROADS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

A DIRT ROAD IS REALLY TOUGH TO JUSTIFY WHEN IT COMES TO SAYING, OKAY, YOU'VE GOT TO KIND OF KEEP GRADING IT OR DO YOU COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE? I APPLAUD THE IDEAS OF COMING UP WITH ALTERNATE PAVING SCENARIOS. THE PRICE, THOUGH, TO PAVE A ROAD RIGHT NOW IS RIDICULOUS.

AND LIKE I WAS SORT OF MAKING A JOKE, BUY EVERYBODY A FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE JEEP AND WE'LL BE MONEY AHEAD THAT LIVES ON THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW -- WITH INTERNET SERVICE, RIGHT.

GOOD JOB. >> SPEAKER: ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANYTHING? YUP. DEBBIE, REG, WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU TO THE REST OF THE STAFF THAT HANG IN THERE AND THOSE WHO MADE PRESENTATIONS TODAY, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

THANK YOU FOR HANGING IN THERE AND OF COURSE WE'LL BE WORKING ALONG WITH YOU TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE NEED THERE. PUBLIC COMMENT? MR. TENING, YOU HAVE THE ONLY

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

>> SPEAKER: GOOD AFTERNOON. ONE OF THE THINGS I'VE NOTICED WE'VE ABANDONED IN 24 HOURS IS THE SANSANITATION PROTOCOLS. YESTERDAY SOMEBODY WAS WIPING DOWN THIS AREA EVERY TIME IN BETWEEN EACH SPEAKER. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT TODAY. I JUST NOTICED THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE NOTICED. BUT I DID.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY IS I KNOW ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS -- AND I'M GOING TO LEARN HOW TO SAY YOUR NAME CORRECTLY BECAUSE I HEAR IT PRONOUNCED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS I'VE GOT ONE OF THOSE NAMES THAT IS FREQUENTLY MISPRONOUNCED TEACH ME HOW TO SAY YOUR NAME

>> SPEAKER: REN THINGER. >> SPEAKER: RENINGER. >> SPEAKER: NOTGER.

>> SPEAKER: GER. >> SPEAKER: RENNING GERTHANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

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>> SPEAKER: THANK YOU. >> SPEAKER: BECAUSE I KNOW YOU PAY ATTENTION TO PROOFREADING LIKE I DO. AND I CALL IT RIGHT AWAY ON THE AGENDA FOR WORKSHOP AGENDA IS CALLED THE MINUTES. BECAUSE WHAT I THINK THIS IS THE PRETTY SIMPLE.

AS -- IT IS AN EDITING ERROR. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT IS HAPPENING.

I'M PRETTY SURE WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF DOING THE MINUTES, JUST TAKES THE AGENDA, A QUICK CHANGE OF THE HEADER, COME IN AND INSERT A COUPLE OF LINES TO REPRESENT THE VOTE.

THE MINUTES ARE NOT THAT LABOR INTENSIVE. THEY'RE PRETTY EASY TO PREPARE.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE MINUTES FROM -- >> SPEAKER: I THINK -- I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU MIGHT NOT FIND YOURSELF IN THE MINUTES AFTER --

>> SPEAKER: THAT'S OKAY. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IT IS NOT A TWO DAY PROCESS.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE LIVE. YOU CAN BE WORKING ON THE DOCUMENT LIVE WHILE IT IS BEING TAKEN. RECORD THAT IN THE DOCUMENT AND HAVE THE MINUTES PREPARED A LOT SOONER THAN THURSDAY AFTERNOON. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE MEETING IS OVER, THE FINANCE COMMITTEE IS OVER ON TUESDAY. GET THE MINUTES TOGETHER AND PUBLISH THEM. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE IGNORING THE SUGGESTIONS THAT COME FROM THIS BOOK AND AND -- BECAUSE -- LET ME ASK YOU THIS TOO.

DID ANYBODY RUN HERE ON MINIMUM STANDARDS? I'M RUNNING HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO PROVIDE THE COUNTY WITH MINIMUM STANDARDS. NO? EVERYBODY WANTS TO EXCEED, YOU KNOW, MORE OPEN, MORE TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT.

WE'RE NOT HAPPY WITH JUST THE MINIMUM STANDARDS OF, YOU KNOW, THE NOTICE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND MINUTES. WE WANT WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT REASONABLE NOTICE MEANS.

THIS IS THE LAST YEAR'S COPY. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MUST BE GIVEN THE NOTICE IN ALL CASES.

THE FOLLOWING NOTICE GUIDELINES ARE SUGGESTED. NUMBER ONE, THE NOTICE SHOULD CONTAIN THE TIME AND PLACE OF THE MEETING AND IF AVAILABLE, AN AGENDA.

OR IF NO AGENDA IS AVAILABLE, A STATEMENT OF THE GENERAL SUBJECT MATTER WHICH WILL BE CONSIDERED.

AND THEY'RE SAYING NUMBER THREE, IN THE CASE OF EMERGENCY OR SPECIAL MEETINGS NOTICE SHOULD BE PROVIDED AT LOLEAST SEVEN DA PRIOR TO MEETING. EMERGENCY SESSION SHALL BE AFFORDED THE MOST APPROPRIATE AND EFFECTIVE NOTICE ON YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES.

SO I KNOW YOU TALK ABOUT CHANGE IN THE STANDING RULES. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO -- YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUILD INTO YOUR TIMELINE THIS NOTICE RIGHT HERE, YOUR AMERICAN DISAB DISABILITIES ACT COMPLIANCE WHERE YOU HAVE TO OF THREE DAYS NOTICE IF THEY'RE GOING TO COME HERE. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE TUESDAY MEETING THREE DAYS PRIOR. SO THAT'S MONDAY. SUNDAY, SATURDAY, YOU CLOSE THOSE DAYS, FRIDAY IS REALLY THE ONLY DAY THAT SOMEONE WITH DISABILITIES HAS TO MAKE THE PEOPLE AWARE THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED SPECIAL ACCOMMODATIONS. REALLY THE ONE DAY.

SO I THINK THERE'S A REASON WHY MOST PLACES ARE GOING TO INCLUDE IN THE -- THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD HASSEN DAYS NOTICE. IT CAN BE DONE. ANYBODY THAT SAYS IT CAN'T BE DONE, SHOULD BE FIRED BECAUSE THE MINUTE THE STATE LEGISLATURE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO, THEY CAN'T TELL YOU IT CAN'T BE DONE ANY MORE. SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING IS SAYING WHEN THE LEGISLATURE SAYS SEVEN DAYS, WE CAN'T DO IT, WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND QUIT NOW.

BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE DONE. SUCH A SIMPLE THING TO CHANGE. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

IT STILL SAYS NAME AND ADDRESS UP HERE. >> SPEAKER: ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.