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          >>> . >>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET STARTED HERE AND 
          [CALL TO ORDER]
BEFORE WE DO GET STARTED WE'LL, IF I GET EVERYBODY TO STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND THE PLEDGE. 
          INVOCATION THIS AFTERNOON BY COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON. >> BOW YOUR HEADS WITH ME IF YOU WILL. HEAVENLY FATHER WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY AND THIS BEAUTIFUL COUNTY WE LIVE IN. WE THANK YOU FOR THE FREEDOM TO GATHER TO DO THE WORK OF OUR COUNTY AND WE PRAY TODAY A SPECIAL PRESIDENTING ON THE ANIMALS OF OUR COUNTY -- SPECIAL BLESSING ON THE ANIMALS OF OUR COUNTY AS WE DISCUSSED OUR FRIENDS THAT ARE COMPANIONS THAT I BELIEVED YOU PUT HERE FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT AND COMFORT AND COMPANION SHIP AND I PRAY ALL 
          THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AMEN. >> OUR PLEDGE FROM COMMISSIONER BURKE. 
          >> AND LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ARE HERE ALTHOUGH MAYBE NOT SEATED JUST YET BUT THEY'RE ALL HERE. ALMOST SENT OUT THE SAINT BRENARDS TO LOOK FOR YOU. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. LET'S GET THE MEETING STARTED. THIS IS A SPECIAL WORKSHOP WITH THE BODE. THE BOARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US TODAY. THE TOPIC WILL BE ANIMAL CONTROL AND ALTHOUGH WE'LL BE DISCUSSING NUMEROUS SUBJECTS UNDER THAT UMBRELLA TODAY WE'LL HAVE NO VOTES TODAY SO KEEP THAT IN MIND. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN MEETING OR AT LEAST TALKING DURING THE& COURSE OF THE MEETING WE DO INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU'LL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. WE DO ASK THAT YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH YOUR HOME ADDRESS BEFORE I ADDRESS THE BOARD AND YOU CAN FILL OUT ONE OF THESE PUBLIC COMMENT CARDS IF YOU HAVE ONE AND THEN TRN IT IN TO CHRISTINE AND STACEY AND THEY'LL PASS IT ALONG TO ME AND WE'LL CALL YOU UP AT THE A CERTAIN TIME. I'LL TRY TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT AS WE GO ALONG BECAUSE WE'VE GOT SO MANY DIFFERENT TOPICS. AS WE FINISH A TOPIC MAYBE I'LL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ISSUE. IF EVERYBODY IS OKAY WITH THAT WE'LL MOVE AHEAD. DOING BUSINESS THIS AFTERNOON, OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 
          [1.  Update on current state of Animal Services]
THE UPDATE ON THE CURRENT STATE OF ANIMAL SERVICES AND FOR THAT DIRECTOR TROY NEGGEL. 
          >> BEFORE WE GET STARTED, IF IT PLEASES THE COMMISSION, TRACY, COULD YOU JUST DOES ANSWER A QUESTION. I THINK THERE'S A QUESTION THERE. 
          >> I WAS CURIOUS IF EVERYONE TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, PLEASE. >> YEAH. 
          WE CAN DO THAT LATER. RIGHT NOW WE'LL GET INTO THE MEETING HERE. 
          THANK YOU, THOUGH, APPRECIATE IT. >> JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND, OVER THE PAST REALLY 17, 18 YEARS THE COMMISSION HAS BROACHED THIS SUBJECT SEVERAL TIMES. THE COMMISSION ASKED FOR AN AUDIT TO BE DONE BACK IN '04 BY THE COMMISSIONER AUDITOR AT THAT TIME AND IN ADDITION THE SUBJECT CAME YOU AGAIN IN '16. 
          I THINK ACTUALLY THE DIRECTION OF COMMISSIONER WAYNE BOLLA AN AUDIT WAS DONE LOOKING AT THE PROCESSES OF ANIMAL SERVICES AND A WORKSHOP WAS HELD ACTUALLY FOUR YEARS AGO ALMOST TO THE DAY IN MAY OF '17 AND THE REASON I BRING THAT UP IS SOME SYMPTOM TOPICS HAVE BEEN THE TOPIC OF ALL OF THESE AUDITS AND THE WORKSHOPS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND SO HOPEFULLY THROUGH TODAY WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION AND SHOW YOU WHAT WE'VE DONE TO IMPROVE ANIMAL SERVICES AND KNOWING WE STILL HAVE WORK TO DO AND WHEREVER THOSE LINES ARE AT TO DO MORE WORK. 
          SO THAT BEING SAID, I'LL START THE PRESENTATION AND GO THROUGH WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY. 
          THIS OUTLINES THE PROGRAM, ALL THE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. ALSO ADOPTIONS, CATS AND KITTENS ARE SELECTED WEEKLY TO BE HOUSED AT OUR OFFSITE LOCATIONS. CURRENTLY WE HAVE PARTNERS WITH PETCO, PETSMART, PET SENSE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FACILITATE NEW OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADOPTIONS. 
          THIS IS HOW WE GET OUR ANIMALS OUT. ADOPTION WE HAD '20, 514 DOGS AND 1161 CATS GO FOR ADOPTION. OFF SITE WE HAD 229 PETCO, 307, PETSMART AND WE WERE ABLE TOOL HELP OUR LOCAL PARTNERS BY BRINGING IN 74 CATS INTO OUR SHELTER TO THEN PLACE AT THOSE OFF SITE ADOPTIONS BECAUSE ONE OF THE RESTRICTIONS WE HAVE ON THOSE OFF SITE ADOPTIONS IS WE HAVE TO KEEP THE KENNELS FULL BECAUSE IF WE DON'T WE'LL LOSE THEM TO ANOTHER SHELTER SO WHEN WE'RE IN GOOD TIMES AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY KITTENS WE WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT SAFE OR OTHER PLACES TO BRING IN ANIMALS TO FACILITATE THAT. ANOTHER PART OF IT IS HEARTS, 
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HELPING EVERY ANIMAL REVISE THEIR SITUATION. WE MANAGE AND INTAKE OUR SHELTER. THE IDEA IS THAT WE SHOULD BE THE LAST RESORT FOR YOU TO GET RID OF YOUR ANIMAL. TRY TO REHOME OUR ANIMAL OR FIND SOMEBODY ELSE TO TAKE YOUR ANIMAL. WE DO OFFER ASSISTANCE SO IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, I DON'T HAVE FOOD FOR MY ANIMAL WE HAVE A FOOD BANK OF PEOPLE THAT DONATE FOOD TO US THAT WE THEN GIVE BACK OUT. WOE HELP PEOPLE TRY TO FIND OTHER ALTERNATIVES BEFORE WE TAKE THEIR ANIMAL INTO OUR SHELTER. THROUGH THIS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, JUST STOP ME AND I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER. ANOTHER PART OF OUR PROGRAM IS TAPS, TEACHING ANIMALS BY PRISONERS FOR SUCCESS. THAT'S ACTUALLY IN PUT THAN COUNTY, AND WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN TAKING ANIMALS DOWN THERE AND HAVING THEM GO THROUGH A BEHAVIOR PROGRAM AND GET ADOPTED OUT AT THE FACILITY. I THINK TO DATE WE ARE 16 ANIMALS, DOGS THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT PROGRAM AND ALL HAVE BEEN ADOPTED OUT. 
          THERE WE GOT. THE PROGRAM, 16 DOGS HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROGRAM. 
          WE HAVE HAD FOUR GRADUATIONS, 16 DOGS ADOPTED AND FOUR MORE IN AND THEY ARE ALL HAVE-ADOPTION HOLDS. IT'S BEEN A GOOD PROGRAM TO WORK WITH PUT THAN COUNTY. 
          OF COURSE OUR RESCUES, WE PARTNER WITH VARIOUS AGENCIES AROUND THE COUNTY AND AROUND THE STATE TO HELP US GET THE ANIMALS OUT OF OUR SHELTER, ESPECIALLY THE ANIMALS WHO MAY NOT BE ADOPTABLE OR OTHER ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. 40 CATS, KITTENS, 128 DOGS OR PUPPIES AND FOUR HORSES LEFT THE SHELTER IN 2020. FOSTER PROGRAM, THIS IS ONE OF I THINK THE THINGS WE'RE MOST PROUD OF. WE FOSTER THEM UNTIL THEY'RE OLD ENOUGH FOR ADOPTION. THIS IS HOW WE KEEP THE SHELTER AND REDUCE OUR COSTS. 
          THE INTAKE FOR KITTENS LAST INJURY WAS OVER THOUSAND. 927 OF THOSE KITTENS HAD A LIVE OUTCOME THROUGH OUR PROGRAM, 850 ADOPTED, AND 19 TRANSFERRED AND 58 TO RETURNED TO THE FIELD. 
          THOSE ARE YOUR SMALL KITTENS ELIGIBLE STILL. THEN WE HAVE OUR FOSTER, THE REST OF THE FOSTER PROGRAM COMES WAYS TO GET THE DOGS OUT. WE DO BOW WOW BREAKOUTS, TAKE A DOINGEN AROUND FOR THE WEEKEND OR A DAY AND HELP US PROMOTE THAT ANIMAL. 
          FREE AGENT ADOPTIONS, HELP US MARCH GET THOSE ANIMALS AND WE STARTED DOING MEDICAL FOSTERS BY ANIMALS UNDER TREATMENT RATHER THAN LEAVING THEM IN THE SHELTER WE BRING THEM AND LET A FOSTER PARENT TAKE CARE OF THEM AND GET THEIR MEDICAL TREATMENT THROUGH THE SHELTER. 
          STATISTICS, 962 FOSTERS, 245 DOGS, 717 CATS. '19, A LITTLE BIT BIGGER NUMBER. 
          ON AVERAGE 30 PERCENT OF OUR ANNUAL INTAKE GOES THROUGH THE FASTER PROGRAM IN ONE SENSE OR ANOTHER SO OUR PROGRAM IS VERY SUCCESSFUL AND I DO THINK IT'S A MODEL FOR THE AREA, OUR FOSTER PROGRAM. AND VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, THIS KIND OF TOOK A HIT DURING COVID AND ACTUALLY GAVE US A CHANCE TO RESET IT. LAST BUDGET YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO ADD A TRUE FOSTER COORDINATOR VOLUNTEERS AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD THAT VOLUNTEER BASE BACK NOW THAT WE HAVE COME OUT OF COVID. MORGAN HAS BEEN ACTIVELY CALLING OUR VOLUNTEERS AND TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM TO BRING THEM BACK INTO THE FOLD BECAUSE IT MAKES US EASIER TO GIVE MORE ENRICHMENT TO THE ANIMALS, MORE DOGS, DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          VETERINARY SERVICES, WE DO HAVE DR. BROADHURST, OUR MEDICAL DIRECTOR ON SITE AND TWO VETERAN TEXT, 1521 STERILIZATIONS, 317 STERILIZATION. 249 COMMUNITY CAT SURGERIES, TNRS, 61 RECLAIMED STERILIZATIONS, PARDON OF THE PROGRAM THE BOARD ALLOWED US TO PUT IN PLACE, IF WE HAVE AN ANIMAL THAT HAS BEEN OUT MANY TIMES THEN WE ARE ALLOWED TO STERILIZE THEM AS PART OF THEM RECLAIMING THE ANIMAL. UNDER STATE STATUTE WE CAN'T LET AN ANIMAL LEAVE OUR SHELTER AND UNDER OUR ORDINANCES, CAN'T GET IT FIX. 
          THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO GET IT FIXED SO THEY SAY, LEAVE IT IN HERE. 
          SO WE HELP GET THE ANIMAL BACK INTO ITS HOME AFTER THAT. 140 DOGS WENT THROUGH HEART WORM TREATMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY FROM FOCUS IS HERE. 
          THEY HELP WITH THAT. THAT'S A GREAT PARTNERSHIP THAT WE HAVE THAT THAT'S NOT A BURDEN OF COST TO THE COUNTY. THEN OF COURSE WE STARTED LAST YEAR OUR COMMUNITY RABIES AND MICROCHIP CLINIC. AGAIN THAT WAS ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WOULD NOT RECLAIM 
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THEIR ANIMALS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE VACCINATION OR THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO GET IT MICROCHIPPED SO WE HAVE DONE A LOW-COST MICROCHIPPING AND VACCINATION. 
          WE DID 91 RABIES VACCINATIONS AND 67 AN MILLS WERE MICROCHIPPED AND THE COST IS MINIMAL, AS YOU CAN SEE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE OFFICE VISIT AND THE OTHER OVERHEAD INCLUDED IN THAT. FIELD SERVICES. I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOPIC OF CONVERSATION FOR THE DAY, PART OF IT. CURRENTLY WE HAVE SIX FULL-TIME ONE PART-TIME ACO POSITIONS. AT THIS TIME WE HAVE THREE OF THOSE POSITIONS FILLED. 
          WE DID JUST HIRE OUR FIELD SERVICES COORDINATOR, WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO CALL YOU, SO THAT GAVE US TO THE THREE FULL-TIME POSITIONS, AND I AM A PATROL OFFICER RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ENTIRE CUN EXCEPT ORANGE PARK, AND WE RESPOND TO CALLS 365 DAYS PER YEAR, 24 HOURS A DAY, ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, WE DON'T HAVE OFFICERS ON STAFF ALL THE TIME. 2020 NUMBERS, 3,597 CALLS. 
          RESULTING IN 9,000 ACTIONS SO ON A CALL IF WE HAVE TO GO OUT MULTIPLE TIMES FOR A REPORT OR THOSE ARE THE ACTIONS, SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S 3500 CALLS WE ACTUALLY HAD TO TOUCH THOSE 3500 CALLS, A TOTAL OF 9,000 TIMES. STATISTICS, I WON'T READ THEM. I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS OUR INTAKE LAST YEAR MANY WAS 2,530 POSITIVE OUTCOMES, 2,306, AND THERE'S THE RESULTS OF OUR NEGATIVE OUTCOMES. WE ARE SITTING AT LIVE RELEASE OF OVER 90 PERCENT WHICH DOES CLASSIFY THE COUNTY SHELTER AS A NO-KILL SHEER AND WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT, FOR A MUNICIPAL SHELTER THAT IS A HARD THING TO ACHIEVE. COST PER ANIMAL. 
          THIS IS OUR COST THAT WE FIGURED OUT WORKING ACTUALLY AUDITOR PRICE BEFORE HE LEFT HELPED ME WORK OUT THE FORMULAS TO FIGURE THIS OUT AND WE UPDATED THE PROGRAMS AND GOT THE NUMBERS UPDATED FOR '19 AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL THIS TO YOU BUT WE HAVE TRIED TO KEEP OUR COSTS LOWER. IT'S GONE UP A LITTLE BIT THIS YEAR AGAIN, LOWER INTAKE, THE NUMBERS' GOING TO GO UP BECAUSE I STILL HAVE THE SAME BASE ADMINISTRATION STAFF. 
          WE HAD LESS AN PELES IN THE SHELTER DUE TO COVID BECAUSE WE HAD TO MODIFY OUR ANYONE TAKE HOURS AND MODIFY THINGS SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AS MUCH GOING ON. I'LL STOP THERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM NO. ONE BECAUSE THE NEXT PART IS TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL SHELTER. 
          >> QUESTION I HAD REAL QUICK WAS ON THE ONE SLIDE IT SAID ONLY THREE POSITIONS ARE FILLED. 
          IS THAT FOR THE ACO? >> YES, SIR. THAT'S OUR ACO. 
          >> WE BUDGETED SIX. >> SIX AND A HALF FTES. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH JENNIFER IN HR AT RELOOKING AT OUR JOBS. WE JUST GOT THE SALARIES RECENTLY AND NOW WE FOUND OUT THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY IS PROBABLY ABOUT 1.50 MORE THAN WHAT WE DUMPED OURS TO. 
          WE WERE IN THAT $14 AN HOUR RANGE RECENTLY AND GOT UP TO CLOSER TO 18. 
          ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS A JOB LISTED AT PAIN . -- AT 19.50. IT'S A CERTIFIED JOB AND IT'S 
          HARD TO GET PEOPLE. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY STATISTICS ON THE BUDGET FOR THE LAST TEN 
          YEARS? >> '09, 1.44 HIM. THE BUDGET IS 2.002 CURRENTLY. 
          >> THANK YOU. SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT SEVERAL YEARS AGO BEFORE WE HAD THE 
          NO-KILL POLICY. >> '09, BEFORE THE NO-KILL POLICY. 
          >> WAS THAT BEFORE? >> YES, SIR. IN '09 WE ACTUALLY -- I HAVE A CHART FROM '09 BEFORE THE VETERAN WAS ON STAFF AND AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS WHEN WHEN ACTUALLY HAD 9ACOS IN THE FIELD AND THEN OF COURSE WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET CHALLENGES THAT FACED THE COUNTY AROUND THAT PERIOD OF TIME, ALL THE DEPARTMENT OF DEPARTMENTS CUT 
          BACK INCLUDING ANIMAL SERVICES. >> YOU MENTIONED CERTIFIED POSITIONS. 
          >> YES. ACO REQUIRES YOU BEING CERTIFIED AS AN ACO IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, REQUIRING YOU TO TAKE A CLASS AND TRAINING. I'M PUTTING HIM ON THE SPOT. 
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          >> I'M [INDISCERNIBLE] I CAME ON BOARD WITH THE SERVICES. THE CERTIFICATION FOR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER IS A 40-HOURS COURSE AND DONE AS SOME OF THE RECOGNIZED COLLEGES. 
          I DID MINE IN ORLANDO AND IT'S CERTIFIED FOR THE STATE. ONCE YOU GET THAT YOU CAN WORK 
          ANYWHERE WITHIN THE STATE IN THAT CERTIFICATION. >> TROY, WHAT ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS DO YOU LOOK FOR FOR THIS POSITION BESIDES JUST A CERTIFICATION. 
          >> A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE LOOKING AT PREVIOUS LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND BECAUSE YOU ARE ENFORCING ORDINANCES, PREVIOUS MILITARY BACKGROUND, THOSE KIND OF -- IT'S A PHYSICAL JOB SO YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO CHASE A DOG OR CAT. IT'S NOT SIT IN THE DESK, THAT TYPE OF JOB. THOSE PERSONAL SKILLS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HOPING TO REVAMP WITH OUR NEW -- I HAVE 1ACO THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR MORE THAN THREE MONTHS TECHNICALLY AND THE OTHER OUT OF THE THREE WE HAVE CURRENTLY, MR. HAGGIN AS BEEN HERE FOR FOUR DAYS AND ANOTHER IS ON PROBATION, LESS THAN 90 DAYS. I HAVE ONE OFFICER LEFT ON STAFF THAT HAS BEEN WITH THE COUNTY, 
          HAS SOME LONGEVITY WITH THE COUNTY. >> IS CERTIFICATION A 
          PREREQUISITE FOR THE JOB OR CAN YOU GET ON-THE-JOB TRAINING. >> CURRENTLY WE DO NOT REQUIRE IT TO BE BECAUSE WITH OUR SALARIES THE WAY WE ARE AND WE'RE TRYING TO TELL SOMEBODY YOU HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED TO COME IN TO WORK, IT'S LIKE THE 911 CALLING, IT'S HARD TO FIND THAT CERTIFICATION BECAUSE IF YOU'VE GOT IT IT'S A GOLDEN TICKET REALLY, AND THAT IS OUR CHALLENGE AND WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THROUGH THAT, COUNTY MANAGER HAS BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE OF US TRUE IS TO YOU THE SALARIES AS BEST WE CAN TO BE COMPETITIVE. 
          >> THANK YOU. COMMISSONER BURKE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME TO ASK THIS BUT TROY KNOWS THE HARDSHIP WE HAD IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THIS IN THE PAST YEAR AND WE ARE SO HAPPY WITH THIS, BUT THE QUESTION CAME UP, THEY WOULD HAVE ANY PROTECTION WITH THEM, ANY WEAPONS, AND I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THEY NEED THAT SO WHAT IS 
          THE STORY? >> THAT IS -- THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD. 
          WE ACTUALLY TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE STAFF MEETING THIS MORNING. WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE OFFICERS HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING TO CARRY, YOU KNOW, OC SPRAY OR BITE SPRAY, BITE STICKS, THINGS THAT WILL PROTECT THEM IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S A DOG COMING AT HIM SO WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THE POLICIES ARE IN PLACE, DEVELOP THE TRAININGS DONE AND THEN WE'LL PUT THOSE IN 
          PLACE TO PROTECT OUR OFFICERS. >> SO THERE WASN'T A POLICY IN PLACE BEFORE? 
          >> NO, MA'AM. IT WAS -- YES, THERE WAS NO POLICY IN PLACE BEFORE. 
          >> WE'RE CHANGING THAT QUICKLY? >> YES. WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE TEAM MET THIS MORNING AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE VERY FIRST THINGS THAT MR. HAGGIN BROUGHT UP OF A CONCERN HE HAD SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THAT 
          IMMEDIATELY. >> GREAT. GO AHEAD. 
          >> HOW DO WE, FOR THE ACO, ARE THEY ON CALL, THE ACO? >> WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING THAT. CURRENTLY WE WORK TEN HOUR SHIFTS ON CALL, TURN HOUR SHIFTS 
          ON SITE AND THEN THEY GO TO AN ON CALL AFTER HOURS. >> VEHICLES TAKE HOME? 
          >> YES, SIR, VEHICLES TAKE HOME. >> OKAY. >> AFTERNOON HOURS, FIRE RESCUE IS OUR DISPATCH. THEY TRIAGE THE CALLS EIGHT WE HAVE A TRIAGE LEVEL, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A STRAY DOG THAT'S NOT CAUSING A PROBLEM, THEN THAT'S LOWER PRIORITY. 
          IF IT'S A BITE, MORE SEVERE, LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SUPPORT, WE GO OUT TO THOSE IMMEDIATELY. 
          >> I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE NUMBERS ARE INCREASING AS I LOOK AT YOUR FIELD SERVICES AND YOUR CALLS, 3597 CALLS IN 2020. DO YOU HAVE A HANDLE ON WHAT -- [CROSSTALK] . 
          >> NO. YOU'RE ONLY ONE. YOU MAY HAVE BEEN 1,000 ACTIONS BUT YOU'RE ONLY ONE CALLER. I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS. I'LL GET THEM. 
          >> I ASSUME THEY'RE RISING BECAUSE OF MORE POPULATION BUT IN TERMS OF THOSE CALLS IS THERE A PREDOMINANT TIME OF CALL THAT IS MORE THAN ANOTHER AT THIS POINT? 
          >> STRAY RUNS AND ANIMAL BITES AND WE'RE SEEING MORE CRUELTY CASES IN THE COUNTY. 
          WE HAVE DEVELOPED A VERY GOOD PARTNERSHIP WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE UNDER THE NEW ADMINISTRATIONS, ON TWO FRONTS, AND WE HAD THE FIRST CASE PROSECUTED IN CLAY COUNTY FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN HERE RECENTLY IN THE NEWSPAPER. IT WAS IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
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THE GENTLEMAN HAD FOUR DOGS ABANDONED AND NEGLECTED AND THE OFFICER WORKED THAT QUESTION AND HE PLED GUILTY TO IT. THY HAVE HIRED LIVE STOCK OFFICERS NOW UNDER STATE STATUTE, UNDER THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OF. THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION HAS HIRED LIVE STOCK OFFICERS TO TAKE THAT BURDEN ON THEMSELVES AND WE'LL STILL HELP THEM SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THAT TRANSITION. BUT THE NUMBERS ARE INCREASING, YOU KNOW, WITH POPULATION YOU'LL HAVE MORE ANIMALS OUT THERE. JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE I HAVE INTAKE NUMBERS AND, YOU KNOW, '15 WE WERE AT 2800 ANIMAL TAKE. THIS YEAR, 3300. 
          LAST YEAR, 3500. IF THE INTAKE IS GOING UP, NATURALLY, AND, YES, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME BUT I WOULD ASSUME OUR CALL VOLUME HAS GONE UP. 
          THE OFFICER COUNT, THAT'S WHAT HAS CREATED THE ISSUES WE HAVE IN THE FIELD SERVICES SIDE. 
          >> I KNOW WE HAVE GOT ANIMAL CONTROL EMPLOYEES HERE SO COULD YOU JUST INTRODUCE YOURSELVES TO 
          US AS THE BOARD? YOU DON'T HAVE TO STAND UP. >> I'M COURTNEY SUMMER. 
          I'M THE PROGRAM MANAGER AND [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> I'M COURTNEY SUMMER. 
          I'M THE PROGRAM  MANAGER. >> MORGAN GROVE. >> AMY BALLOT TON, SHELTER 
          MANAGER. >> DR. JENNIFER BROADHURST, THE SHELTER MEDICAL DIRECTOR. 
          >> I'M THE FIELD OPERATIONS AND BITE COORDINATOR. >> GREAT. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO FOR US. 
          WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THE ANIMAL CONTROL AREA NEEDS TO MOVE WITH THE TIMES AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS SOME ISSUES AND SEE WHICH WAY WE NEED TO GO. 
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          >>> . >>> . >> ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR TROY ON THE AREA WE JUST COVERED? ALL RIGHT. 
          WHAT WE'LL DO, ANYBODY HAVE ANY SPECIFIC COMMENTS ABOUT ANIMAL CONTROL AT THIS POINT IN TIME? PERHAPS YOU HAD HAPPENED THAT DIDN'T GET ROLFED IN A WAY YOU WANTED IT TO. 
          I WOULD  INVITE YOU UP AT THIS TIME. [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> MY NAME IS TANK. WE SPOKE ON THE PHONE. >> YES, SIR. 
          >> THE DOG WAS A VICTIM OF A VICIOUS ATTACK AND WHEN I CAME HERE YOU TOLD ME I HAD THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY I CAN PRESENT THIS IN THREE MINUTES. 
          I'M ASKING FOR MORE TIME AND I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE END. >> THE RULES ARE THAT. 
          MR. BARNES, AFTERNOON THE MEETING WE HAVE ANIMAL CONTROL HERE SO WE CAN PUT YOU IN TOUCH 
          WITH TROY AND YOU CAN DISCUSS WITH HIM. >> I WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC TO BE MADE AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING SO I WOULD ASK AND IMPLORE THAT AS WE SAT AND LISTEN TO 25 MINUTES OF THE PRESENTATION ABOUT ANIMAL SERVICES THAT WE CAN GIVE AT LEAST TEN MINUTES' TIME TO A PRESENTATION OF A HORRIFIC ATTACK THAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED AND IS GOING TO 
          HAPPEN AGAIN. >> WELL, I'LL GIVE YOU THE THREE MINUTES HERE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON WITH THE MEETING AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE END WE'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO 
          SPEAK. >> THEN LET ME -- LET'S FINISH THE MEETING BECAUSE I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE END TO TALK. I'M BE THE LAST PERSON. THANK YOU. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ISSUE WHICH IS ON THE AGENDAS WHICH IS 
          [2.  Discussion on the building of a new facility]
DISCUSSION OF BUILDING A NEW FACILITY. WOULD YOU CARE TO GO ON, TROY? 
          >> SURE. AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, HURRICANE IRMA SHOWED THE PROBLEMS WITH THE SHELTER. IT FLOODED THE SHELTER, REQUIRED THE ANIMALS TO BE RESCUED DURING THE FLOODING AND WE HAD SEVERAL FEET OF WATER IN OUR CAT BUILDING AND WE STILL HAVE ISSUES WITH THE SHELTER CURRENTLY. AS FAR AS SINKING. 
          SOME OF THE KENNELS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT BUILDING IS OVER 40 YEARS OLD. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT THE [INDISCERNIBLE] YOU HAVE MONEY FOR THE DESIGN OF THE NEW SHELTER. SO PLACED ON THE SLEEPY HALLOW PROPERTY. 
          WE DID A SPACE-NEEDS ANALYSIS THAT YOU ASKED US TO DO BACK IN '19. 
          THAT CAME BACK WITH APPROXIMATELY 28,000 SQUARE FEET NEEDED. 
          SPACE TO HOUSE 110 CATS AND KITTENS AND 100 DOGS OR PUPPIES AND THE IDEA WAS THAT SHOULD CARRY US FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT TEN YEARS WITH THE BUILDING BEING DESIGNED IN SUCH A WAY WHERE IT COULD BE EXPANDED IF NEEDED TO ADD MORE KENNEL SPACE. AT THAT POINT IN TIME THE COST ESTIMATE WAS RIGHT UNDER $10 MILLION TO DO THE SITE WORK AND BUILD THE BUILDING. 
          CURRENTLY IN THE BUDGET YOU HAVE $714,000 FOR DESIGN WORK FOR THIS YEAR, '21 AND YOU HAVE 
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ABOUT 17 HIM IN CONSTRUCTION IN THE '23, '24CIP. AND THIS IS THE SCHEDULE FOR THE DESIGN SET WITH PURCHASING AND FACILITIES, AND THE SPECIFICATIONS OF PURCHASING BY MAY 14. MAY 27TH, THE RFP. THE DESIGN CRITERIA, JULY 13. 
          AND WE HOPE IT WOULD BE COMPLETED BY MARCH 1 OF 2022. THE IMPORTANCE AND THIS NEGOTIATION INTO THE OTHER SIDE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH GRANTS COMING UP, THE IMPORTANT TENTS OF HAVING THE DESIGN DONE IS THAT IS AS GRANTS OPEN UP THROUGH EITHER THE -- PETCO, THE ONE THAT DID THE GRANT, PETCO, DID A GRANT FOR THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE. 
          OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE AMERICAN INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS AND AMERICAN JOBS ACT, AND THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR US. OF COURSE WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE SHELTER BUILT SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND THE CONDITIONS WE'RE IN. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE ON THE BUILDING 6789 I JUST KIND OF GAVE IT REAL BRIEF. 
          >> MR. CHAIR, I HAVE A QUESTION. >> GO AHEAD. >> MAYBE THE COUNTY MANAGER WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS OR YOU, TROY, BUT WAS THERE A REASON THAT IF THE DESIGN IS FINISHED IN MARCH OF '22 WE WERE WAITING ANOTHER TWO YEARS TO BUILD? IS THAT JUSTIFY AN SHELL OR? 
          >> JUST THE WAY IT FLOWED OUT, MA'AM. WHEN IT COMES TO CIP, IT'S THE REVENUE STREET THAT COMES IN WITH THE BONNA PROJECTS. 8.7 MILLION HAS TO SERVICE THAT DEBT FIRST. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REST OFREVT FELL OUT THAT AWAY. 
          >> OKAY. THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, ONE OPERATING ROOM? 
          TWO? >> DO YOU WANT TO TALK TO IT? I'LL DEFER TO THE MEDICAL 
          DIRECTOR ON WHAT WAS IN THE LAYOUT OF THE PLAN. >> TROY, EXPLAIN HOW THIS PLAN WAS DEVICED. WE HAD A CONSULTANT COME IN TO HELP US, A NEEDS ANALYSIS. 
          >> WE HIRED A CONSULTANT THAT CAME OUT AND INTERVIEWED STAFF, DR. BROADHURT, MET WITH US, THE ORDINANCES, HOW THEY RAN. WE WANTED TO SET THE BUILDING UP IN A WAY THAT WE COULD EXPAND IN THE FUTURE. THE POLICIES DRIVE THE SIZE OF THE SHELTER. 
          BUT WE THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE RIGHT SIZE OF SHELTER BASED ON OTHER AREAS. 
          THE MEDICAL SIDE WOULD BE AS WE GET LATER IN THE PRESENTATION TALKING ABOUT TNR, THERE'S SOME OPTIONS THERE THAT YOU MAY DECIDE, BIGGER MEDICAL FACILITY, MORE MEDICAL FACILITIES BUT I'LL 
          LET THE DOCTOR ABOUT OF TALK ABOUT THIS. >> FOR THE MEDICAL CURRENTLY WE WERE PLANNING ON ONE SURGERY ROOM BUT WE WOULD HAVE FOUR TABLES INSTED OF THE TWO WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE I DO HOST A LOT OF VETERINARIAN STUDENTS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA SO RIGHT NOW THE SPACE, SOME OF YOU WERE IN THERE RECEPTLY AND SAW THE SPACE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE BUT AS TROY MENTIONED DEPENDING ON WHAT GROWTH WE WANT TO DO AND WHAT PROGRAMS WE WANT TO HAVE, IF WE WERE OFFERING OTHER PROMPTS OF PROGRAMS WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER HAVING A SECOND SURGERY SPACE. RIGHT NOW THAT PLAN WAS JUST FOR ONE. 
          >> WITH FOUR TABLES AND WE THINK THAT WOULD MEET OUR NEEDS THROUGH THE NEXT TEN YEARS, 
          REALLY? >> WITH THE CURRENT WAY WE'RE STRUCTURED WITH ONE VETERAN AND TWOS VETERAN TECHS, IF YOU WANTED TO EXPAND THE SERVICES OF COURSE YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT YOU RUN A SECOND SHIFT -- A SECOND VETERAN AT NIGHT. THERE'S DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND 
          I'LL DEFER BACK TO THE DOCTOR. >> EVEN WITH IF WE LOOKED AT OUR INSTEAK GOING UP, IF THE POPULATION DOES GROW AS EXPECTED OVER THE TEXT TEN YEARS WE WOULD STILL BE OKAY IF WE WERE JUST DOING THE SHELTER ANIMAL SURGERIES BUT IF WE WERE LOOKING TO EXPAND OUR SERVICES THEN THE 
          FOUR WOULD NOT BE ADEQUATE. >> AND INTERNS, IS THAT HARD TO GET AN INTERN OUT HERE FROM 
          GAINESVILLE? >> NO. WE'RE ONE OF THE PLACES THEY LIKE TO GO BECAUSE IT'S AN HOUR DRIVE AND A LOT OF THEM CAN COMMUNICATE. 
          WE GET THEM FOR TWO WEEKS AT A TIME THROUGH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. 
          >> ARE THERE OTHER VETERAN SCHOOLS LOCALLY? >> NO. 
          THE ONLY ONE IS FLORIDA IS AT UF. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE DOCTOR AT THIS POINT? OKAY. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. 
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          ANY QUESTIONS FOR TROY AT THIS POINT? >> KNOWLEDGE WE'LL  WE'LL IN A . 
          DO YOU KNOW WHERE ON COUNTY ROAD 220, SLEEPY HALLOW, THAT'S CONSIDERED THAT AREA AND THE SPOT THAT WE IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WAS A COUNTY-OWNED PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE THAT WOULD BE SUITABLE FOR THE -- FOR A NEW ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY. WE ALSO AT THE TIME THOUGHT MAYBE THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WOULD BE IN THERE BUT THAT WAS CHANGED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANYTHING FOR TROY? I JUST THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE RUSTLED AROUND THE EDGES OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE FOR AT LEAST FOR THE FOUR YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD AND I KNOW FRIAR TO EVEN THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE THREE EMAILS HERE WHICH I'LL ENTER INTO THE RECORD FROM FRIENDS AT [INDISCERNIBLE] WHO ARE IN FAVOR OF A NEW SHELTER AND THEY HAVE THE CORRESPONDING INFORMATION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT INCLUDING ATTRACTING, TALKING ABOUT INTERNS OR VOLUNTEERS, IT'S A MUCH MORE CONDUCIVE PLACE OFF OF 220 THAN WHERE IT IS NOW AND SO THAT WOULD ENHANCE OUR SERVICES WITHOUT REALLY COSTING THE COUNTY ANY MONEY AND IN FACT KLAIN COUNTY ANIMALS, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS THEY RAISE EVERY YEAR TO HELP US WITH A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ISSUES AT THE SHELTER THAT SAVES THE COUNTY FROM HAVING TO SPEND MONEY ON AND SO CERTAINLY IT IS AN EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT AT THIS POINT IN TIME IF YOU LOOK BACK THE CURRENT SHEER WAS BUILT IN WHAT? THE LATE '70S? 
          >> PARTS OF IT, ." >> ARE EVEN OLDER? >> YES. 
          >> THE CURRENT ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER WAS BUILT WITH 30 OR THOUSAND PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY AND WE'RE AT 226,000 NOW AND FROM WHAT I SEE THE TRENDS FOR HAVING PETS IS GOING UP AFTERNOON THE PANDEMIC AND SO I JUST THINK WE HAVE EIGHT TIMES MORE PEOPLE AND PROBABLY EIGHT TIMES OR MORE THAN THAT IN TERMS OF PETS. WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE EXOTIC KIND OF BREEDS THAT ARE MAKING THEIR WAY INTO THE COUNTIES, AND SOME OF THOSE MIXED ON PURPOSE AND SOME NOT SO ON PURPOSE AND I THINK IT CAUSES US DIFFERENT PROBLEMS SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL MONIES TO HELP US WITH THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION BUT I SAID, ALL ALONG I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO WORK ON AND MAKE HAPPEN HERE IN THE NEXT WHATEVER NUMBER OF YEARS BUT WE'VE GOT SOME MONIES TO SENT ASIDE FOR THE BUDGET CUTS AND MONEY SET ASIDE FOR CONSTRUCTION AND I'D LIKE TO SEE US MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AT SOME POINT AND THEN IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THAT. 
          BEFORE WE MOVE ON ANYONE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING TO THE NEW ANIMAL CONTROL SHELTER OR FOR THE NEED OF ONE? YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME UP AT THIS POINT IN TIME IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING AT THIS TIME. OKAY. 
          DON'T BE SHY. -WE'VE GOT LOTS OF TIME FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT. 
          WHAT'S THAT? >> I HAVE A QUESTION, JUST FOR THE RECORD. 
          WHAT REGULAIONS DO WE HAVE FOR PETS? WHAT QUALIFIES AS A, "PET" IN 
          CLAY COUNTY? >> WELL, SPECIFICALLY UNDER OUR GUIDANCE IS DOGS, CATS, AND 
          FERRETS. >> THAT'S LIVE STOCK. >> YES. 
          THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO LIVE STOCK -- [CROSSTALK] . >> GOAT? 
          >> THE ONLY THING THAT IS A SPECIAL CARVE-OUT IN THE LIVE STOCK IS CATTLE BECAUSE THEY FALL UNDER A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RESPECT BECAUSE OF THE VALUE OF THE CATTLE. 
          >> SNAKES? >> NO. WILDLIFE, OPOSSUMS, RACCOONS, HANDLED BY THE FISH AND WILDLIFE. THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF COURSE OF ANIMAL SERVICES AT THE END OF THE DAY IS RABIES CONTROL, VECTOR CONTROL, AND WORKING TO ADOPPABLE ANIMALS, HEALTHY ANIMALS, SO CATS AND DOGS AND FERRETS IS THE FOCUS ON ANIMAL 
          SERVICES AND THAT'S LAID OUT IN FLORIDA STATUTE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. 
          >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> HANG ON, SIR. IF YOU WANT THE THREE MINUTES AT THIS TIME I'LL BE GLAD TO GIVE IT TO YOU BUT YOU NEED TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE AND WE'RE ON 
          THE RECORD AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RECORD WHAT YOU SAY. >> YOU TALKED ABOUT -- 
          [CROSSTALK] . >> IDENTIFY YOURSELF. >> FRANK BIDEN [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT YOUR MAIN SERVICES ARE THE CATS, 
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DOGS, GETTING THEM ADOPTED, GETTING THEM FIXED, NEUTERED, AND I APPLAUD IT. 
          IT'S WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE WORD SAID HERE AS TO WHAT ANIMAL CONTROL IS DOING TO PROTECT THE SOCIETY FROM VICIOUS ATTACKS PERPETRATED BY DOGS. 
          WHERE IS THAT IN OUR BUDGET? WHERE IS THAT IN OUR FEELINGS HERE? 
          >> THAT'S COMING UP NEXT, SIR. >> WE'LL BE DISCUSSING IT. >> SINCE NO ONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT THE ANIMAL SHELTER, LET'S MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION OF NEW ORDINANCES. 
          [3.  Discussion on new ordinances]
          >> SO OUR ORDINANCES, COMPARISON OF THE EXISTING ONE, AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS BECAUSE THEY WERE IN NEED OF A MAJOR OVERHAUL AND WE'RE ALMOST -- YOU DON'T HAVE A RED LINE VERSION IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE IT'S EXTENSIVE, TO BE HONEST. 
          WE'RE BRINGING BACK EXTENSIVE CHANGES SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FROM YOU TODAY IS DIRECTION ON SOME OF THE ORDER  ORDINANCES. IT'S STARTING TO LOOK AT NOT ALLOWING NEW PET SHOPS TO COME IN AND BRING IN AND CREATE YOUR PUPPY MILL SITUATIONS WHERE YOU'RE JUST HAVING ANIMALS BROUGHT IN FROM OTHER PLACES AND ADOPTED OUT THROUGH THE PET STORE SHOPS AND KIND OF MANDATED THAT PET SHOPS THAT COME INTO CLAY COUNTY IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GETS IT FROM A FOSTER OR RESCUE PROGRAM, A SHELTER, AND NOT JUST BRING IN MORE ANIMALS. 
          WE HAVE AN OVERPOPULATION OF ANIMALS, A LOT IN THE SHELTER THAT PEOPLE CAN ADOPT, A LOT OF ANIMALS AND RESCUES SO TRYING TO MITIGATE THAT AND THEN ALSO AND IT'S OF IT'S NOT LISTED ON THE SCREEN BUT ALSO RESTRICT SOME OF THE PARKING LOTS SALES OF ANIMALS BECAUSE THOSE ANIMALS AREN'T MICROCHIPPED A LOT OF TIMES AND NOT VACCINATED AND MICROCHIPPING IS THE WAY WE CAN IDENTIFY THE ANIMAL AND GET IT BACK TO THE OWNER SO WE WANT THEM TO BE MICROCHIPPED. 
          THAT'S THE FIRST ORDINANCE, AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS INSTITUTED THIS, PET SHOT RESTRICTION. I'LL STOP ON EACH ONE, CHAIRMAN, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND IF YOU 
          HAVE ANY FEEDBACK AND WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE. >> ANYBODY? 
          >> I HAVE A QUESTION. I COMPLETELY THINK THIS IS A GOOD IDEA SO DON'T TAKE MY QUESTION THE WRONG WAY BUT GIVEN THE CHALLENGES WITH HIRING, HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THIS? 
          JUST REPORTED LIKE IF SOMEONE. >> THERE'S A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT WE GOT FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT REQUIRES POSTING INSIDE THE STORE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE ANIMAL CAME FROM. IT HAS TO BE LISTED OUT. ANYBODY CAN LIST WHAT THEY WANT AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR OFFICERS. WE ONLY HAVE CURRENTLY ONE PET 
          STORE IN CLAY COUNTY AT THE MALL. >> THERE'S ONE NEAR THE MOVIE 
          THEATER. >> I THINK THERE'S ONE ON BLANDING ACROSS FROM THE 
          WALMART. -- [CROSSTALK] . >> WE GOT MINIMUM OF THEM. 
          YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE 20 COME IN. IT MAY BE A THING WHERE AN OFFICER GOES THROUGH THERE ONCE A MONTH AND LOOKS AND SAYS, ARE YOU IN COMPLIANCE? THERE'S OTHER THINGS ABOUT SIGNAGE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE EDUCATING PEOPLE AND A LOT OF THIS AS WE GO THROUGH THE OTHER SEGMENTS ONE AREA THAT CLAY COUNTY AS A WHOLE WE DON'T DO IS EDUCATION AND SO EDUCATION CAMPAIGN NEEDS TO BE PART OF ANYTHING WE'RE DOING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE THAT THERE'S ALTERNATIVES OTHER THAN GOING TO A PET STORE. ORDINANCE. 
          A LOT OF THIS IS EDUCATION. I HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. 
          >> YES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT AT THIS POINT? 
          OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON. >> TETHERING, OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE IS -- CAN'T REALLY BE ENFORCED BY THE OFFICERS. IF A DOG IS TETHERED FOR EIGHT HOURS THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND LOOK AND STAY OUT THERE FOR EIGHT HOURS TO WATCH THE DOG BE TETHERED AND WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS WE'RE WATCHING SENATE BILL 650 AND HOUSE BILL 177. THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE CURRENTLY AND IT ACTUALLY INSTITUTES TETHERING RESTRICTIONS ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA. 
          OUR PROPOSAL IS THAT WE WATCH THE BILL, IF THE BILL DOESN'T PASS, WE'LL TAKE THE LANGUAGE 
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OUT OF THE BILL AND COME BACK AND PROPOSE THAT AS AN ORDINANCE ON OUR OWN. 
          IF THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS ALREADY DOING IT THERE'S NO REASON FOR US TO RELY ON OUR ORDINANCES, RELY ON THE STATE AT UTES WRITTEN AND LET US DO THAT AND THEN IF WE FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE MORE RESTRICTIVE WE CAN COME BACK AND PROPOSE A MORE RESTRICTIVE STATUTE OVER STATE. 
          THIS STATUTE WILL TAKE CARE OF THE ISSUES AND SEVERE WEATHER THAT SAYS YOU MUST BRING YOUR DOG IN. IT WILL GIVE THE COUNTY A LITTLE MORE ENFORCEMENT WHEN A HURRICANE COMES. YOU CAN'T JUST LEAVE YOUR DOG TIED UP TO THE TREE. 
          >> DOES IT PROVIDE PENALTIES? LIKE THEY EVACUATE AND DON'T TAKE THEIR ANIMALS? 
          >> YES. >> OR PROVIDES FOR THE ANIMAL. >> YES. 
          IT PROVIDES THE ABILITY FOR THE AB MEL CONTROL OFFICER TO TAKE THE AN MEL FOR ITS OWN -- ANIMAL 
          FOR ITS OWN SAFETY? >> IF THEY DON'T ADOPT IT, THE STATE, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADOPT 
          IT. >> DANGEROUS DOG, THIS IS ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I THINK ALL OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. STATE STATUTE DEFINES A DANGEROUS DOG CURRENTLY THE COUNTY'S ORDINANCE ONLY RECOGNIZES A DANGEROUS DOG AS THE ONLY LEVEL SO TO GET TO THAT LEVEL IT TAKES A HIGH -- THERE'S A HIGH TROIS TO CROSS TO GET TO A DANGEROUS DOG. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY AT. 
          WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO, THIS IS OUR FIRST PROPOSAL AND THEN I'VE GOT OTHER ONES NOT IN THE SLIDE SHOW IS TO SET A SECONDARY LEVEL, ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS THIS AND IT'S BASICALLY AN AGGRESSIVE DOG, AN AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL ORDINANCE SO THE BAR IS SET A LITTLE LOWER. 
          WE CAN DECLARE A DOG AGGRESSIVE, GO THROUGH VERY SIMILAR PROCESSES THAT YOU GUY WITH A DANGEROUS DOG BUT THERE'S A LOWER BAR TO SET TO HAVE A DOG DECLARED AND FOR US TO ENFORCE RULES UPON THAT DOG. THE OTHER OPTION, THESE CAN BE USED TO GATHER OR SEPARATELY IS ST. JOHNS COUNTY ACTUALLY HAS A NUISANCE ORDINANCE FOR ANIMALS AND COURTNEY AND I -- I'LL DEFER TO HER AT SOME POINT TO TALK. WE'VE ACTUALLY TALKED TO JUDGE COLLINS ABOUT THE ENFORCEABILITY OF THAT AND COURTNEY CAN EXPAND ON THAT BAU WHAT IT DOES IS CREATE A TIER OF, A DOG GETS OUT ONCE, YOU KNOW, AND WE CAN HAVE A PENALTY THAT THE COURT I WILL ENFORCE. 
          IF IT GETS OUT TWO OR THREE TIMES OR FOUR TIMES THERE'S AN INCREASING PENALTY AND IT CAN BE ENFORCED BY THE COURT SYSTEM AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO COURTNEY IF SHE WANTS TO EXPAND ON THAT. 
          >> IT'S A PROCEDURE THAT'S AUTHORIZED UNDER THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WHEN YOU GET A TRAFFIC KIT SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION WHEN THE CITATION IS GIVEN TO YOU TO JUST PAY IT OR YOU CAN OPT IF YOU WANT TO CONTEST IT AND APPEAR IN COURT AND SO GREEN COAST SPRINGS IS ALSO LOOKING AT DOING THIS PROCESS AS WELL SO THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF US IN THIS BUT THEY'VE ALREADY MET WITH JUDGE COLLINS AND THEY'RE POLICE CHIEF I BELIEVE SO YOU JUST HAVE THE FINES AND THE BIG THING FOR THE COURT SYSTEM IS THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE AN ACO THAT WILL WOULD BE OUR WITNESS WHO IS CERTIFIED AND CAN COME IN AND TESTIFY AS TO THE VIOLATION BUT THEY'RE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT THAT PROCESS AND WORK WITH US IF THE BOARD'S 
          INTERESTED IN GOING THAT ROUTE. >> WHAT IT BE ADVANTAGEOUS TO COORDINATE WITH GREEN COFFEE OR ADOPT SOMETHING SIMILAR OR WORTHWHILE JUST TO GO OUT ON OUR OWN TO ESTABLISH WHAT LEVELS 
          WE'RE GOING TO ESTABLISH? >> I'LL REACH OUT TO THEM BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE MORE FOCUSED AROUND THE NOISE ASPECT OF ANIMALS. SINCE WE DO THE ENFORCEMENT FOR GREEN COFFEE WE JUST NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHATEVER WE ADOPT, HAVING THEM ADOPT IT BECAUSE IF THEY ADOPT SOMETHING MORE RESTRICTIVE, WE CAN'T GO INTO THEIR CITY AND ENFORCE IT BECAUSE OUR OFFICERS ARE GOVERNED BY YOUR ORDINANCE, NOT THERE'S. 
          OUR COUNTY EMPLOYEES -- WE JUST NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. >> SO YOUR KIND OF LOOKING AT TRIGGER POINTS. YOU'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT NUISANCE TO DETER MOST PEOPLE FROM KEEPING -- MAKING SURE -- I LIVE IN THE AREA WHERE -- HOW THESE ANIMALS DON'T STAY AT HOME, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THERE'S MORE LOST DOGS IN KEYSTONE THAN, GOODNESS GRACIOUS. AT ANY RATE, I DIGRESS, AND WE WOULD DO NUISANCE AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF AGGRESSIVE IF THEY'VE SHOWN SOME SORT OF AGGRESSION AND TO THE DANGEROUS? 
          >> NOT REALLY. USE THEM AS DIFFERENT TOOL SETS SO YOU MAY HAVE A DOG THAT'S A NUISANCE ANIMAL AND IT GOES OUT AND CHASES A CAR EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
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IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AGGRESSIVE OR DANGEROUS MOST LIKELY BECAUSE IT'S CHASING A CAR AND IT'S GETTING OFF ITS PROPERTY. THE MECHANISM TO HANDLE THOSE, THE CURRENT ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY REAL PENALTY FOR THAT. SO YOU'RE NUISANCER YUHAN DELL THOSE. 
          STRAY ROLE, YOU KNOW, YOUR DOG GETS OUT AND WE SEND AN OFFICER OUT. 
          HERE'S YOUR VIOLATION. YOU DID IT THE SECOND TIME. WE UPPED THE FINE. 
          THERE'S A PENALTY FOR YOUR DOG GETTING OFF THE PROPERTY. NOW, YOU HAVE A DOG THAT BITES SOMEBODY, GETS STAINING, THE BAR IS SET PRETTY HIGH, AND THIS WOULD GIVE US A MECHANISM FOR OFFICERS TO INSTITUTE RULES, MAKE SURE YOUR DOG HAS -- THE DOG CAN'T BE OFF THE PROPERTY WITHOUT BEING ON A LEASH, THING& LIKE THAT THAT WE GET UNDER THE DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE BUT WE HAVE TO GET TO THAT BAR. AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL LETS US GET TO THE BAR. 
          SAINT JOHNS COUNTY DOES THIS. IT LETS US GET TO THE BARS BEFORE IT GETS TO BE A DANGEROUS DOG PROBLEM. THEY'RE NOT -- IT'S NOT REALLY A TIERED SYSTEM. 
          IT'S TIERS OF HOW SEVERE THE PROBLEM IS. >> DOES ANY OF WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING OR CAN WE PROPOSE -- LET ME BACK UP. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US PROPOSE PUTTING IN SOMETHING WHERE YOU ALL COULD TAKE ACTION FOR AN ANIMAL BEING AGGRESSIVE TOWARD ANOTHER ANIMAL NOT JUST ANOTHER PERSON. AND I KNOW YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CASE THAT I AM SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO THAT WE WATCHED THE VIDEO ON THAT WAS IN MY DISTRICT BUT WHERE THE ANIMALS GOT INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S YARD, KILLED THEIR CAT IN FRONT OF THEIR KIDS 
          BUT NOTHING COULD BE DONE BECAUSE IT DIDN'T BITE A PERSON. >> I'M GOING TO TURN TO MY 
          FRIEND OVER HERE. [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> HE CAME FROM ST. JOHNS 
          COUNTY. >> IN REGARDS TO THAT QUESTION, IT WOULD BE TWO ATTACKS ON AN ANIMAL BEFORE WE COULD DO THAT BUT THE PROVISION OF THE AGGRESSIVE IS ALLOWED TO USE THAT AND THAT STAYS WITH THAT ANIMAL FOR A PERIOD OF THREE BEHAVIOR OF THAT ANIMAL AND THE OWNER HAS TO REGISTER THE ANIMAL WITH US FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS SO YOU ALSO GET TO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE ACTIVITIES OF THAT PROPERTY AS, WELL, AND EASY FIX TO SOME DEGREE AS OPPOSED TO WAITING FOR THE HIGHER LEVEL OF ACTION THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALL TAKE FOR A DANGEROUS COMMITTAL, WHICH IS A LIFE-TIME OTHERWISE YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A COURT ORDER TO 
          HAVE THE ANIMAL DESTROYED. >> OKAY. >> HOW DOES ALL THIS STUFF PLAY WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY, IF I HAVE A GUARD DOG AND I'VE GOT PEOPLE BEING ABOUT IT ON MY PROPERTY? 
          >> TWO SPECIFICATIONS IN THE ST. JOHNS ORDINANCE AND THE TWO GET-OUT CLAUSES IS IF YOU'RE HURTING THE ANIMAL AT THE TIME OF THE IT TAKING PLACE ON YOUR PROPERTY OR IF YOU'RE IN THE PROCESS OF A CAME, THAT'S THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE CITED FOR SOMETHING HAPPENING BECAUSE UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE YOU ARE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGE THAT'S CAUSED WHETHER SOMEBODY INTENTIONALLY CAME ONTO YOUR PROPERTY WHETHER YOU KNEW IT OR DIDN'T. 
          STRICT LIABILITY FOR THE DAMAGES CAUSED BY YOUR ANIMAL EVEN IF IT'S ON YOUR PROPERTY. 
          >> SOMEBODY BREAKS INTO MY PROPERTY -- [CROSSTALK] . >> YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. 
          THE TWO CLAUSES, IF THE ANIMAL IS [INDISCERNIBLE] NOTHING WE CAN DO. 
          IF YOU'RE IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME. SOMEBODY BROKE INTO YOUR PROPERTY AND THEY GET BIT, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. THE DOG IS DOING WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO. IF SOMEBODY WALKED ACROSS YOUR PROPERTY AND YOU HAD YOUR GATE CLOSED, THEN THE STRICT LIABILITY IS UP TO YOU BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T STOP THE ANIMAL TO 
          BITE AND THAT PERSON GETTING ON TO YOUR PROPERTY. >> LET'S GO BACK TO ANIMAL VERSUS ANIMAL. YOU SAID IT HAS TO BE TWO? WHY TWO? 
          >> BECAUSE IT'S THE SEVERITY. YOU CAN USE THIS DOWN TO SEVERITY AS WELL. 
          IF THE ANIMAL DOES A SEVERE BITE YOU BUMP THAT UP TO THE DANGEROUS IN ST. JOHNS COUNTY SO 
          IT'S HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THE CLAUSE. >> CURRENTLY WE ONLY HAVE IN CLAY COUNTY DANGEROUS DOG WHICH IS DRIVEN BY STATUTE AND UNDER STATUTE IT SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES THAT.  YOU AS A COMMISSION COULD SAY YOU WANT AN AGGRESSIVE DOG OR YOU WANT TIERS OF THIS THAT IF AN ANIMAL BITES ANOTHER ANIMAL IT GETS SOME KIND OF PENALTY. 
          I WILL CAUTION THE BOARD ON THE OTHER SIDE, IF EVERY TIME AN ANIMAL BITES ANOTHER ANIMAL WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER PENALTY THAT WE HAVE TO MONITOR AND THAT'S GOING TO BECOME A 
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STAFFING ISSUE BECAUSE FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE AGGRESSIVE AN MEMORY AND EVERY DANGEROUS DOG WE HAVE MONITORING REQUIREMENTS AND WE HAVE STUFF TO GO OUT AND DO AND IT'S FINDING THAT NIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN -- I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I KNOW THE CASE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. 
          >> YEAH. >> IT'S THAT BALANCING ACT AND THAT'S WHERE THE COMMISSION HAS TO MAKE THAT DECISION OF IS THE AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL BEING TWO BITES, COMFORTABLE IF IT'S MINOR BATES, YOU KNOW, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A LEVEL OF, HEY, IF IT BITES ANYTHING ANY TIME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF LEVEL IN HERE AND HAVE A PENALTY. MAYBE IT'S A NUISANCE PENALTY OR MAKE IT'S A MONITORING PENALTY. I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED THE DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD TO SET THOSE ORDINANCES. BUT I WANT TO THE CAUTION YOU THE MORE THAT STUFF THAT WE SET UP FOR MONITORING ON OUR TEAM WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE STAFF TO SUPPORT IT. 
          >> I'M THINKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT REQUIRE VET CARE WHERE ONE DOG ATTACKED ANOTHER DOG OR CAT OR WHATEVER AND THEY END UP HAVING TO TAKE IT TO THE VETERAN AND THE OWNER INCURS GREAT EXPENSE FOR -- AND THE EMOTIONAL TRAUMA AND I AM A RESCUE MOM SO, I MEAN, IT DOES GET -- MY DOGS HAVEN'T EVER BEEN ATTACKED BUT I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IF THEY HAD AND SO THOSE ARE THE ONES I'M TALKING ABOUT. I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT OKAY IF TWO DOGS GET INTO A FIGHT AND SOMEBODY BREAKS IT UP AND MAYBE THERE'S SOME SCRATCHES AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME LITTLE TRIAGE THAT GOES ON, THAT'S NOT THE AGGRESSION -- I UNDERSTAND. DOGS DO THAT, MAYBE IT'S MATING, WHATEVER, HORMONES, IF WE ALL HAD THEM FIXED, THAT WOULD BE BETTER. 
          ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. IT'S MORE THE BIG DOG GOES AFTER LITTLE ANIMAL OR WHATEVER AND -- OR THE CAT. THE CAS WAS LAYING ON THE BACK PORCH DOING NOTHING WRONG AND WAS ATTACKED BY TWO DOGS THAT GOT INTO THE YARD THROUGH A LOCKED GATE, LOOKED FENCE AND 
          KILLED THE CAT. >> MEASURE IF YOU CAN DESCRIBE THE DEFINITION OF SEVERE INJURY 
          BECAUSE SEVERE INJURY ON ONE TIME EQUATES TO THAT. >> INJURIES WHERE YOU HAVE A LIFE EIGHT CHANGING MOMENT FOR THAT PARTICULAR ANIMAL SO REQUIRING MAJOR STITCHES OR HOSPITALIZATION, THE SAME AS A PERSON, SO IF IT CAUSES [INDISCERNIBLE] IF YOU NEED STITCHES ON THE PERSON, THAT'S [INDISCERNIBLE] IN REGARDS TO WHAT TROY WAS SAYING, BASICALLY STATE STATUTE DICTATES THE BAR THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND IF YOU WANTED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT, YOU'LL HAVE TO DO A LOCAL ORDINANCE MORE SUITABLE FOR WHAT YOU WANT. 
          >> THIS ORDINANCE WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY. >> ALLOW YOU THAT LEEWAY TO NOT BE [INDISCERNIBLE] WITH THE ANIMAL BECAUSE SOMETIMES THEY DO HAPPEN AND THE ANIMAL JUST DID [INDISCERNIBLE] NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW. BUT SOMETIMES ANIMALS DO HAVE 
          ACCESS. >> THEY DO. >> AND THAT PUTS THEM ON THE SYSTEM FOR A THREE-YEAR PERIOD WHERE THEY CAN BE MONITORED AND IF NOTHING HAPPENS AFTER THAT THEY HAVE TO WRITE IN AND CAN BE TAKEN OFF. ZIONS, YOU'LL HAVE A LIFETIME OF REQUIREMENTS FOR HIM TO BE MONITORED OR A DISRUPTION ORDER BY A JUDGE. 
          >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. THANK YOU. >> CLARIFICATION, PLEASE. 
          >> GO AHEAD. >> WE HAVE DANGEROUS ANIMAL RIGHT NOW, AGGRESSIVE AN MEMORY 
          IS SOMETHING THAT ST. JOHNS COUNTY HAS. >> THAT WE'RE PROPOSING. 
          >> GOT IT. IF THEY HAD ONE SEVERE INJURY TO A PERSON OR ANIMAL, THEN THEY WOULD BE DEEMED AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT TIME? 
          >> THEY GO THROUGH THE SAME KIND OF PROCESS AS DANGEROUS DOG BUT AS THE OFFICER SAID, IT'S A THREE-YEAR MONITORING. WE CAN GO ON THE PROPERTY AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE COMPLYING AND DOING THE RIGHT THING. IT'S A LOWER BAR. IT'S NOT A LIFETIME REGISTRY AND 
          LOWER BAR. >> THEY HAD A SEVERE INJURY AND THEY'RE MONITORED? 
          THEY'RE GOING TO BE MONITORED FROM HAVING A SEVERE INJURY? >> THIS IS A LOWER BAR THAN DANGEROUS DOG. UNDER A DANGEROUS DOG ORDINANCE YOU GET TO THE LEVEL OF DANGEROUS DOG IT REQUIRES MORE INFORMATION, MORE PROOF TO GET TO THAT LABEL. 
          MAYBE I'M NOT EXPLAIN IT VERY WELL. >> THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THE TRYINGER POINT LOWER TO WHERE THEY CAN TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AND IT WOULD STEP UP TO 
          DANGEROUS DOG, IF IT WERE -- GO AHEAD. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, SO RIGHT NOW WE ONLY HAVE THE STATE STATUTE TO ENFORCE. SO DANGEROUS DOG COULD BE A SEVERE INJURY TO A DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY KILLED OR SEVERELY INJURED IT, IF IT ONLY HAPPENED ONE TIME WE LITERALLY CAN'T DO ANYTHING. IT HAS TO BE TWO INSTANCES IN THAT CASE. WITH AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL, WE STILL COULDN'T DECLARE THE DANGEROUS 
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EVEN IF THEY SEVERALLY MAULED -- LIKE RIGHT NOW EVEN IF SHE SEVERELY MAULED ANOTHER ANIMAL WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING. THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO. WITH AN AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL ORDINANCE WE WOULD INFLICT SOME OF THE SAME -- IMPOSE SOME OF THE SAME RESTRICTIONS THAT DANGEROUS HAS AT THAT LOWER LEVEL SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REQUIRE DEPENDING ON WHAT WE ADOPT, MICROCHIPPING, ALTERING, LEASHING, MUZZLING IN PUBLIC, STAYING ON THE OWNER'S PROPERTY AND SOME OF THE SAME RESTRICTIONS THEY HAVE FOR DANGEROUS DOG WE COULD HAVE WITH THE AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL. UNLESS YOU GUYS VOTED TO TAKE IT TO THE LEVEL OF DANGEROUS DOG RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT WE HAVE WE COULDN'T IMPOSE ANY OF THAT. AND SO IT WOULD BE GUIDANCE FROM UP GUYS ON WHAT RESTRICTIONS WE PUT ON THE AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING 
          WITH STATE STATUTE IF THAT MAKES SENSE. >> THEY CAN MAUL ANOTHER ANIMAL 
          AND THEY GET -- [CROSSTALK] . >> ONE FREE PASS. THE ONE FREE PASS RULE. 
          >> IF WE GO BY STATE STATUTE THERE'S A ONE-TIME RIGHT NOW. >> RIGHT NOW. 
          >> RIGHT NOW. >> BUT WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. >> RIGHT. 
          EXACTLY. >> SO THEY SHOULD BE PUT DOWN IF THEY MAUL ANOTHER ANIMAL? 
          IS THAT SOMETHING WE'RE PROPOSING. >> IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THEM DOWN THAT'S ANOTHER LEVEL BECAUSE THAT'S -- [CROSSTALK] . 
          >> I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THE CASE WAS. WE HAD AN ANIMAL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DID THAT TO ANOTHER ANIMAL AND THEY PUT THEM DOWN. 
          THAT WAS A CHOICE OF THE OWNER? >> THAT WAS PROBABLY THE OWNER'S CHOICE. 
          EVEN TO PUT AN ANIMAL DOWN NOW, IN THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, BECAUSE WE HAVE RETAINS THE DANGEROUS DOG AND IMPLEMENTED OUR OWN ORDINANCE, NOT AGGRESSIVE DOG, DANGEROUS DOG AND IT GOES THROUGH A HEARING REFER TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEY HAVE TO -- OFFICER TO LOOK AT THAT AND THEY HAVE TO DECLARE THAT IT'S SEVERE ENOUGH TO DESTROY THE ANIMAL AND THEY CAN TAKE IT TO COURT AND APPEAL AND THAT DRAWS OUT THE PROCESS SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PUT 
          OTHER THINGS IN PLACE TO ALLOW US MORE FLEXIBILITY. >> IT'S NOT JUST MONITORING LIKE YOU GO AND CHECK ON THE ANIMAL NOW AND AGAIN? THERE'S THINGS IMPOSED AS WELL SO YOU WOULD HAVE $100,000 LIABILITY INSURANCE ON YOUR ANIMAL AND THAT WAS FOR THE DURATION OF THAT THREE-YEAR PERIOD. YOU HAD TO REGISTER YOUR ANIMAL FOR A FEE WITH US EVERY YEAR AND YOU ALSO HAD TO PROVIDE PROOF OF RABIES VACCINATIONS AND THE MICROCHIP OR TATTOO INFORMATION SO YOU CAN MONITOR IT THAT AWAY SO THERE WAS SOME PENALTIES. 
          >> IS THERE A POINT THEN F THEY DO IT AGAIN, THEN WHAT HAPPENS. >> IT'S A STEP PROCESS. 
          YOU HAVE BEEN DEEMED AGGRESSIVE. THE NEXT TEN, DEPENDING ON THE SEVERE, UP TO DANGEROUS. 
          >> IS THERE ANYTHING IN ANY OF THESE ORDINANCES OR THE ABILITY IN STATE STATUTE TO REQUIRE IF YOU ALL WENT OUT AND INVESTIGATED AND YOU FOUND PROOF THAT, YES, THIS ANIMAL HAD ATTACKED -- THIS OWNER'S ANIMAL ATTACKED THIS OWNER'S ANIMAL, THAT THEY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE 
          FOR THE MEDICAL CARE OF THE INJURIES OF THE INJURED ANIMAL? >> ST. JOHNS COUNTY USED TO HAVE A POLICY FOR THAT AND IT WAS DEALT WITH IN THE COUNTY COURT BUT THEY DID AWAY WITH IT SO BASICALLY IT WAS A LOCAL FINE SET BY THE COURT AND ANYTHING ABOVE THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO SUE 
          INDIVIDUALLY. >> CIVIL MATTER AT THAT POINT. >> BECAUSE THE ANIMALS ARE 
          CONSIDERED PROPERTY. >> CORRECT. >> $100,000 LIABILITY POLICY 
          WHAT WOULD THAT BE FOR? >> I'M SORRY. >> YOU SAID IF YOU'RE DESIGNATED AS AN AGGRESSIVE OR DANGEROUS DOG YOU'VE HAD TO GO TO THE $100,000 LIABILITY. 
          >> -- [CROSSTALK] -- YOUR PARTICULAR ANIMAL. IF IT HAPPENED AGAIN, FOR INSTANCE YOUR DOG ABOUT IT COMMISSIONER BERKE'S DOG OR HERSELF, SHE COULD SUE YOU AND YOU HAVE THAT INSURANCE POLICY THERE. THAT'S NOT DONE WITH ANIMAL CONTROL. THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH YOU. BUT WE WOULD HAVE THAT IN THERE. 
          >> PROVIDES A MECHANISM FOR SOMEBODY TO RECOUP THE COST OF THE ANIMAL AND WHERE AS SOMEBODY 
          COULD GO RIGHT NOW [INDISCERNIBLE] -- [CROSSTALK] . >> THAT'S WHAT THE INTEREST 
          POLICY HELPS, MAKES THERE BE A MONETARY CONSEQUENCE. >> $500 INSURANCE COST TO ENSURE YOUR STRAY DOG, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A LOT OF DECISION THERE. 
          >> THAT CAN BE QUITE EXPENSIVE. >> I'VE GOT A COMMENT. I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WE OUGHT TO RATCHET DOWN THE PENALTY-TYPE STUFF. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE EQUIVALENCE OF A SEVERE INJURY TO A PERSON WITH A SEVERE INJURY TO ANOTHER ANIMAL, THAT DOESN'T EQUATE WITH ME AT ALL. AND SO -- YOU CAN DO IT TWICE EVERY YEAR. 
          YOU CAN RIP UP MY GRANDKID TWICE EVERY YEAR AND NO HARM, NO FOUL. >> AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT 
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          WITH -- THE ORDINANCE HAS TO BE SET LOCALLY. >> I KNOW. 
          -- [CROSSTALK] . >> YOU NEED TO IMPOSE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED LOCALLY BECAUSE ALL THEY'RE BASING IT ON IS WHAT THE STATE STATUTE SAYS AND YOU BUILD UPON THAT. 
          >> RIGHT. I'M SAYING THIS WOULDN'T FLOAT WITH ME. 
          >> THAT'S WHY HOPEFULLY TODAY WE GET GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT THAT WE MONITOR AN ANIMAL FOR THREE YEARS AND THERE'S TWO BITES WITHIN THREE YEARS THAT'S THE BOARD'S DISCRETION. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS HONESTLY THIS IS A COPY OUT OF ST. JOHNS' 
          COUNTY ORDINANCE AS A STARTING POINT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOTHING. >> I'M JUST SAYING WHEN WE GET 
          THERE. >> YES, SIR. >> TO EQUATE THE HUMAN BEING WITH ANOTHER ANIMAL TO ME IS JUST WRONG. THAT WILL IS TOTALLY WRONG. 
          >> IF THE BOARD'S PLEASURE IS TO INCREASE THAT TO, YOU KNOW, TWO TIMES WITHIN IF YOU YEARS, 
          THAT'S YOUR DISCRETION. >> JUST AN OPINION HERE. TO ME IF AN ANIMAL IS TO GO MALL ANOTHER ANIMAL, TO ME, IN MY HEAD, THAT PUTS ME AT FEAR OF THAT ANIMAL, THAT IT COULD DO THAT TO A HUMAN SO THAT'S WHERE I WOULD SAY IF THEY DID IT TO AN ANIMAL, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT 
          YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S NOT REALLY BALANCED BUT... >> THERE'S OTHER STIPULATIONS YOU CAN PUT IN AS WELL. $100,000 LIABILITY AND THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE REGISTRATION THAT ST. JOHNS HAS AND YOU COULD ALSO PUT OTHER THINGS IN PLACE FOR THEM NOT GOING TO DOG PARKS OR NOT BEING OFF PROPERTY WITHOUT BEING ON A LEASH WHICH THEY SHOULDN'T BE ANYWAY AND YOU COULD IMPOSE THEY'RE MUZZLED WHEN THEY'RE OFF PROPERTY. YOU CAN ADD THINGS TO IT. 
          >> WE DON'T HAVE A LEASH LAW. THAT'S ST. JOHN'S REGULATION, NOT CLAY COUNTY. 
          WHICH IS ANOTHER SUBJECT. >> WE DO FOR DOGS AND NOT CATS. >> WE DO FOR DOGS. 
          >> YES. THEY HAVE TO BE ON LEASH. >> THAT GOES BACK TO A STAFFING ISSUE. WHEN YOU'RE STARTING TO LOOK AT ENFORCING LEASH LAWS AND YOU HAVE SIX ACOS RUNNING A LARGE COUNTY, ON AVERAGE, THREE OFFICERS IN THE FIELD A DAY, TWO BITES COME IN, TWO OF THOSE OFFICERS ARE TAKEN OUT FOR THAT ENTIRE DAY BASICALLY. 
          SO IT'S ALL -- AGAIN, IT'S A BALANCING ACT OF HOW MUCH ENFORCEMENT YOU WANT VERSUS HOW 
          MUCH STAFFING AND WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A COST WITH STAFFING. >> EXPLAIN HOW THAT WORKS. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD A LEASH LAW EITHER. IF A DOG IS NOT ON A LEASH THEN THEY LEAVE THEIR PROPERTY, THAT'S A VIOLATION. IF THEY LEAVE THEIR PROPERTY, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWEDDED TO HAVE A DOG OUTSIDE YOUR PROPERTY WITHOUT A LEASH. 
          IT'S CONSIDERED A STRAY ANIMAL BASICALLY. >> AND IF THEY BITE SOMEONE IT'S EITHER ON OR OFF THEIR PROPERTY OR -- IS THERE A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN IF THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN 
          PROPERTY OR THE OWNER'S PROPERTY OR ON -- [CROSSTALK] . >> I APOLOGIZE, FOUR DAYS ON THE 
          JOB AND. >> I WOULD ASK FOR A PAY RAISE, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH. 
          >> THE ONLY TWO EXCEPTIONS TO BEING FINED FOR THE LEASH VIOLATION OR TO NOT HAVE THE AGGRESSIVE OR THE DANGEROUS STIPULATION FOR A BITE TAKING PLACE ON YOUR PROPERTY IS IN THE COMMISSION OF A CAME THE PERSON THAT GOT BIT WAS IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME OR THEY 
          WERE INJURING THE ANIMAL AT THE TIME. >> SO EVEN IF IT IS TIED UP IN 
          THE BACKYARD AND YOU GET BIT THAT'S STILL YOUR PROBLEM. >> EXACTLY. 
          IF YOU DIDN'T DO ENOUGH TO STOP THE PERSON FROM GETTING ON THERE THAT'S GOING TO BE DOWN TO YOU UNFORTUNATELY. IT'S STRICT LIABILITY FOR BITES WHETHER YOU KNEW ABOUT IT OR 
          DIDN'T UNDER THE STATUTE. >> MAKE SENSE? >> YES. 
          >> AND THAT -- [INDISCERNIBLE] WERE YOU THERE COMMITTING A CRIME OR NOT AND THAT'S A LAW 
          ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THAT. >> EXACTLY. >> I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT WITH THE AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL. I THINK THE LESS THAT IT TAKES FOR AN ANIMAL TO GET ON THAT LEVEL BECAUSE UNTIL THEY DO ATTACK OR BITE SOMEBODY, YOU DON'T KNOW, BUT ONCE THEY DO PROCEDURE PRETTY WELL CONVINCED IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN SO WHY ARE WE GOING TO MESS AROUND 
          WITH ALL THESE. >> IT'S WORKS TWOFOLD. YOU'RE REQUIRING AN ANIMAL THAT NOT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MICROCHIPPED BEFORE OR TATTOOED, SO IF IT DOES GET OUT AND YOU CAN DESCRIBE THE ANIMAL, YOU KNOW, IT BIT ME AND RAN OFF AND LOOKS KIND OF LIKE THIS, IT'S IN THE 
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SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE SOMEWHERE TO START. WHEREAS IF IT'S NOT THERE YOU 
          CAN WRITE IT OFF AS NOT ABLE TO LOCATE THE ANIMAL. >> HOW MANY DOG BITES DO WE GET IN A YEAR? I THINK YOU HAD THAT IN YOUR SHEET? 
          >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> ABOUT 100? >> NO. 
          HUNDREDS. >> I DON'T THINK THAT WAS IN OUR. 
          >> IT'S CLOT TO BE CLOSE TO 1,000. >> I THINK ABOUT THIS KIND OF LIKE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS. WE NEED SOME TEETH IN IT BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, DOGS ARE GETTING OUT MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. 
          I LIVE IN THE RURAL AREAS BUT STILL PEOPLE ARE NOT -- THERE'S NO TEETH TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY 
          MAKES SURE THEIR ANIMAL DOESN'T GET OUT. >> TO THE BOARD, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE SEPARATE THESE TWO ISSUES, THE AGGRESSIVE DANGEROUS DOG AND AGGRESSIVE DOG AS A PENALTY FOR A DOG BITING AND THEN THE PROPOSED -- THE PROPOSAL OF ADDING A NUISANCE ORDINANCE TO HANDLE STRAY, ROAMING, BECAUSE A STRAY DOG WILL NEVER BECOME AN AGGRESSIVE COLORADO MOST LIKE RIP BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE MEET THE CRITERIA. 
          IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT HANDLING BOTH PROBLEMS YOU'LL NEED BOTH ORDINANCES TO HELP YOU ADDRESS BOTH PROBLEMS, A NUISANCE TO HANDLE THE ANIMALS THAT HAVEN'T BITTEN OR ATTACKED, BUT OUT RUNNING AND TEARING PEOPLE'S GARBAGE UP, AND THE AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL ALLOWS US TO MONITOR THE ANIMALS THAT HAVE BEEN AND BE MORE COGNIZANT OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY AND BOTH CAN COME WITH A PENALTY, WHAT JUDGE COLLINS HAS SAID, WE CAN BRING OVER THERE. 
          >> I LIKE BOTH OF THEM. THANK YOU. >> ANOTHER QUESTION? 
          >> NO. >> BEHAVIORAL PROBLEM, A DOG BITE, IS THERE MODIFICATION? I'VE BEEN TOLD IN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT ONCE A DOG EXHIBITS AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR 
          THERE'S NO CHANGE TO IT. THERE'S NO CHANGING IT. >> I'M NOT A VETERINARY BEHAVIORIST AND I WON'T CLAIM TO BE BUT THERE'S THINGS THAT CAN HELP AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, SPAYING OR NEUTERING SO WE GET RID OF THAT, AND LET'S SAY IT WAS TWO DOGS CITING OVER A FEMALE OR A PERSON GETTING IN THE MIDDLE ALTERING THEM, IT CAN HELP SOME BUT ULTIMATELY WITH MOST OF THESE IT'S A MATTER OF RESTRICTING THEIR ACCESS TO OTHER ANIMALS AND MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT GETTING OFF THE PROPERTY, OFF LEASH, BECAUSE SOME ANIMALS DO, YOU KNOW, HAVE ISSUES WITH OTHER ANIMALS THEN YOU CAN DO TRAINING TO HELP WITH THAT. 
          CERTAINLY THERE ARE BEHAVIORISTS AND DOG TRAINERS WHO CAN HELP BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ONLY SO 
          MUCH WE CAN DO. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DR. BROADHURST. ANYTHING ELSE FOR TROY OR STAFF? IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WOULD 
          LIKE TO TALK ABOUT, COME ON UP. >> WE DID NOT TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY CATS EITHER SO DON'T 
          FORGET THAT ONE EITHER. >> YES. >> OKAY. 
          PULL THAT DOWN FOR YOU. IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND THEN WE NEED YOU TO GET A CARD AND FILL 
          IDENTIFICATION FOR THE MINUTE. >> VICKI KELLEY, 4959 LAKE SHORE DRIVE WEST, AND I QUESTION MY QUESTION IS, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THIS AGGRESSIVE AND DANGEROUS LEVEL THERE'S BEEN NO CONVERSATION ABOUT BREED SPECIFIC. TO ME IF YOU HAVE A PITBULL OR GERMAN SHEPHERD OR DOBERMAN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU SHOULD BE AT THE DANGEROUS LEVEL EVEN IF THEY HAVEN'T DONE BECAUSE THERE'S A PROPENSITY. IF A PITBULL BITES SOMEBODY THEY GET TWO BITES. IF A CHIHUAHUA BITES SOMEBODY, THEY GET TWO BITES. 
          I SEE A HUGE DISPARITY IN THAT. WE LIVED IN EUROPE AND WHEN WE WERE THERE IF YOU HAD -- WHAT THEY DEEMED DANGEROUS DOG IT HAD TO BE REGISTERED AND THEY HAD A LIST OF WHAT THEY SAID WERE DANGEROUS DOGS, NOT THAT THEY HAD BEEN BUT THAT THERE WAS A POSSIBILITY. 
          I COULD BE RAISING A LION AND IT'S THE SWEETEST THING IN THE WORLD BUT THE POSSIBILITY WAS THERE. I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING THIS BREED SPECIFIC WITH PITBULLS OR OTHER FIGHTING DOGS THAT WOULD JUST SKIP THE AGGRESSIVE PROVISION AND MOVE 
          STRAIGHT TO DANGEROUS DOG. >> THE INSURANCE COMPANIES DO THAT VERY THING. 
          >> YOUR HOMEOWNERS, THEY'LL TELL YOU THERE'S AT LEAST TEN DOGS THAT THEY PUT ON THE LIST THAT 
          SAYS THEY'LL NOT ENSURE YOUR PROPERTY. >> AND THERE'S A REASON FOR 
          THAT. >> PEOPLE COULD  ARGUE IT'S DISCRIMINATION IN MY CHOICE OF 
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          DOG BREED & I THINK IT PUTS THE ONUS ON THE DOG OWNERS. >> THANK YOU. 
          THAT WOULD BE FOR COURTNEY. CAN WE DO THAT, IDENTIFY SPECIFIC BREED DOGS. 
          >> TO MAKE THEM A DANGEROUS DOG UNDER THE STATUTE IT'S NOT BREED SPECIFIC SO YOU COULDN'T INCREASE THOSE -- [CROSSTALK] -- IF A GERMAN SHEPHERD AND ONLY GETS ONE BITE AND IT'S DANGEROUS. YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE STATUTES. 
          >> RIGHT. BUT IF WE HAD OUR OWN ORDINANCE, WE COULDN'T DO THAT. 
          >> I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE IT HARSHER. >> YOU COULD IMPOSE BREED RESTRICTIONS AND MAY GIVE A PENALTY FOR IT. I WOULD CAUTION THE BOARD ON A COUPLE OF THINGS OF GOING THAT DIRECTION. ONE, YOU'LL HAVE TO PUT IN CRITERIA. SO WHAT MAKES IT A PITBULL. 30 PERCENT? 50 PICK AND ROLL? THERE WAS A STUDY DONE THAT SAYS 75 PERCENT OF THE ANIMALS ARE MISS EYE DEN 2350EUD IVAN BY VETS WHO HAVE BEEN TRAINED -- ARE MISS IDENTIFIED BY VETS WHO HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO DO JUST THAT. SO HOW WILL YOU PROVE. 
          >> DNA. >> THAT'S A COST. >> LET'S TEST THEM ALL. 
          >> THAT'S POSSIBLE BUT THAT'S A COST TO THE COUNTY AND, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL DEFER TO THE 
          DOCTOR. >> CAN I HAVE CAMERON, WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, AND SHE CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS THIS SUBJECT BETTER THAN ME. SHE WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT 
          CATS. >> FOR ABOUT  WE PAID EXTRA ON R INSURANCE BECAUSE WE HAD A DOG 
          WITH THAT. >> WE DO NOT AGREE WITH BREED SPECIFIC LEGISLATION. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE SAYING ALL PEOPLE WITH BROWN HAIR ARE GOING TO BE CRABBY. 
          WE CAN'T JUST AN ANIMAL BASED ON HOW THEY LOOK OR WHAT THEIR BREED IS. 
          WE NEED TO JUDGE THEM BASED ON THEIR ACTIONS. WE HOPE THAT YOU THINK ABOUT 
          THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> I DO QUESTION IT. 
          INSURANCE COMPANIES DO. HOW DO THEY GET BY FLORIDA STATUTE BY SUCH DESTINATION WE 
          CAN'T. >> NO, YOU CAN. DESIGNATION. 
          YOU CAN'T DECLARE IT A DANGEROUS DOG. YOU CAN PUT CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS ON IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU LIKE. YOU JUST CAN'T ELEVATE IT TO A DANGEROUS DOG. 
          THE STATUTE REQUIREMENTS FOR A DANGEROUS DOG. >> I THINK MY INSURANCE POLICY 
          DOES, CATEGORIZE. >> WE CAN'T RAISE IT TO A LEVEL OF BEING A DANGEROUS DOG. 
          IF THE COUNTIES WANTS TO DO IT AS DEFINED IN STATE STATUTE, SAYS IF YOU OWN DALMATIANS THEN YOU HAVE TO PAY $100 TO THE COUNTY TO REGISTERED YOUR DALMATIAN, THE COUNTY CAN PUT THAT RESTRICTION IN PLACE AND MY COMMENT TO THAT IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEFINE WHAT IS A DALMATIAN. 50 PERCENT? 40 PERCENT? 100 PERCENT? YOU'RE GOING TO GET CHALLENGED ON HOW YOU DEFINE THAT. 
          YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY CAN EASILY SAY WE THINK IT'S A DALMATIAN AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT WE THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO ENSURE YOU. THEY HAVE A BETTER MECHANISM WHERE US AS A COUNTY, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DETERMINE IT'S A DALMATIAN. 
          >> I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY A PITBULL ON DNA TESTING, SO JUST THROWING THAT OUT TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S NOT A REAL BREED. THERE'S LIT LID NO WAY OF IDENTIFYING -- THERE'S LITERALLY NO WAY OF IDENTIFYING A PITBULL SO DNA WOULDN'T HELP. 
          THE STUDY YOU REFERENCE WAS WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORID AND DOING DNA SAMPLING AND DNA IDENTIFICATION SO THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT POSSIBLE. SOME OF THE BREED-SPECIFIC LEGISLATION PUT IN PLACES LIKE DENVER, COLORADO AND I'M ARE BEING CHALLENGED IN COURT. 
          >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DOCTOR. I DID HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLKS WITH THEIR HANDS UP. 
          MA'AM? IDENTIFY YOURSELF BEFORE YOU START. 
          >> YES, SIR. MY NAME IS BRENDA SMITH AND I AM A FORMER, JUST RECENT FORMER RESIDENT OF CONEY ISLAND. I DO NOT HAVE ANY DEGREES. I HAVE ABOUT 50 YEARS OF ANIMALS IN MY LIFE CONSTANTLY, CURRENTLY, AND I ALSO HAVE GIVEN CLAY COUNTY ONE OF THE MOST 
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IMPORTANT THINGS IN MY LIFE, AND THAT'S MY SON. HE'S CURRENTLY A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY, SO I ASK THAT YOU LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. YOU ARE STANDING HERE AND I'M LISTENING OF YOU TALKING ABOUT CANINES, CATS, BIRDS, HORSES, AND WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO FIRST, AND I DON'T HAVE A DOCTOR'S DEGREE IS SAY, OKAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU'RE A CANINE, FELINE, IF YOUR MOUTH IS THIS BIG OR YOUR MOUTH IS THIS BIG, IT DOESN'T MATTER. 
          EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL HAS THEIR OWN PERSONALITY. THEY ARE NOW CURRENTLY BEING COMPARED TO HUMANS. THERE'S 89 MILLION PETS IN THE U.S. AS OF 2017. 
          EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE HAS THEIR OWN PERSONALITY, HAS THEIR OWN FAMILY, AND THESE ANIMALS, IF THEY START AS PUPPIES, THEY ARE IN THEIR FIRST HOME, WHETHER IT BE A BREEDER OR A HOME THAT THEY ARE JUST A RESIDENT, JUST BORN THERE, WHATEVER IT IS, EVERY PERSON THAT THEY'RE IN CONTACT AND THEY REMEMBER, EVERY PERSON THAT THEY'RE IN CONTACT WITH HAS A CERTAIN SMELL TO THEM, A CERTAIN ATTITUDE, A CERTAIN -- ANIMALS CAN TELL, ESPECIALLY CANINES. 
          THESE ANIMALS GO THROUGH SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN EVERY HOME THEY GET TO. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE A MOUTH THIS BIG OR THIS BIG. IF, BY THE TIME I SEE YOU, AND YOU'RE ON YOUR LAND, OFF YOUR LAND, ON YOUR LEASH OR OFF YOUR LEASH, IF YOU DON'T LIKE ME FOR THE WAY THAT I LOOK, YOU'RE GOING TO LET ME KNOW, WHETHER IT BE VERBALLY, ACTIONS, WHATEVER. 
          EACH DOG, EACH CAT, CAN BE DANGEROUS FROM THE TIME THAT THEY'RE BORN UNTIL THE TIME THAT THEY DIE, OKAY. THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL IF THIS ANIMAL IS GOING TO ATTACK SOMEBODY. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT YOU COULD GO FROM NICE, CALM ANIMAL TO AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL TO DANGEROUS ANIMAL TO MURDERER BECAUSE EACH ONE HAS THE ABILITY TO HURT A CAT, HURT A KID, HURT A HUMAN, AN ADULT, REGARDLESS OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS ANIMAL, SCIENTIFICALLY, THEY CAN HURT YOU. IF THEY HURT YOU ONCE THEY WILL HURT YOU AGAIN. THEY WILL. THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC T ANYTHING SAYING THAT THE DOG CAN BE TRAINED TO NOT DO IT. ONCE THEY TASTE BLOOD THEY'LL TASTE IT AGAIN. IF YOU ARE ON YOUR PROPERTY, LEASHED OR NOT, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PERSON -- I'M SORRY. YOUR ANIMAL AND THE DAMAGE THAT THEY DO TO ANYTHING, HUMAN, ANIMAL, WHATEVER, IN MY EYES, IN MY OPINION. 
          IF YOU HAVE A DOG THAT HAS HAD ONE ATTACK, BE IT LITTLE, BE IT BIG, THEN THAT DOG SHOULD HAVE TO STAY ON YOUR PROPERTY FOR MAYBE HIS LIFE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FENCE. 
          IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT DOG ON A WALK OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, DO IT SOMEWHERE WHERE PEOPLE CAN'T GET HURT. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG I'M GETTING INTO THIS BUT I WOULD 
          LIKE TO TALK LATER. >> WRAP IT UP AT THIS POINT. COMPLETE YOUR THOUGHT. 
          >> I IMPLORE YOU. LOOK AT THESE ANIMALS AS EACH, THEIR OWN. 
          RIGHT NOW YOU LOOK AT THEM AS PROPERTY. THEY'RE NOT PROPERTY. 
          THERE'S 89  89 MILLION AND IT'SY GOING TO GO UP. THANK YOU. 
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          >> SIR, IF YOU WOULD COME ON DOWN. >> MY NAME IS RICHARD DASEBNOA, 1933 SUGAR MAPLE ROAD IN FLEMING ISLAND. MY CONCERN IS WITH THE WORDING OR THE DECLARATION ON DECLARING A DOG AGGRESSIVE. WHEN YOU HAVE SUCH A VICIOUS POOR PUPPY THAT I'M SURE WE'RE ALL AWARE OF, WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR FOR ANOTHER ATTACK TO OCCUR LIKE THAT BEFORE SOMETHING IS DONE OR BEFORE THIS ANIMAL IS DECLARED AN AGGRESSIVE DANGER TO A HUMAN OR ANOTHER PET AND PUT ANOTHER PERSON OR FAMILY THIS TRAGIC INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED. IT'S MY CONCERN, WHY ARE WE TIED TO WAITING A YEAR WHEN SOMETHING THIS SERIOUS HAPPENS. CAN THAT WORDING BE CHANGED OR CAN THE LAW OR SOMETHING BE DONE TO CHANGE THAT WHEN YOU KNOW THAT A DOG IS THIS AGGRESSIVE? WHY SHOULD IT HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER ATTACK BEFORE SOMEBODY DOES SOMETHING. THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A 
          STIPULATION IN TERMS OF ATTACK PER YEAR, RIGHT? >> IT'S ON HERE. 
          >> WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS REFERRING TO AN AGGRESSIVE DOG, IF IT'S A MINOR INJURY, TWICE WITHIN A YEAR, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN BUT A SEVERE INJURY WOULD NOT HAVE THAT SAME LIMITATION. UNDER OUR CURRENTIZATION DOG THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A DANGEROUS DOG IN STATE STATUTE, HENCE THE REASONS FOR THIS ORDINANCE, SO IN THE INSTANCE WE'RE REFERRING TO THIS DOG COULD HAVE AUTOMATICALLY BEEN DECLARED AGGRESSIVE AND WE COULD 
          HAVE PUT ENFORCEMENT IN PLACE IMMEDIATELY. >> THANK YOU. 
          PERFECT. ANYONE ELSE? YES, MA'AM. 
          >> MY NAME IS SHEILA LARKIN AND I LIVE AT 1806 DARTMOUTH DRIVE IN MIDDLEBURG AND I'M WITH THE MAN THAT JUST BEFORE HIM SPOKE BEFORE ME. THE WORDING IS EXACTLY THAT, IS THAT THE WORD MINOR. AND THE BEST WAY THAT YOU CAN GET OWNERS TO REALLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY TYPE OF ACTION THAT THEY'RE DOG HAS, I HATE TO SAY IT, YOU HIT THEM IN THE POCKET BOOK AND YOU CAN EASILY SAY THAT ANYTHING THAT A DOG CAUSES MAJOR TRAUMA TO ANOTHER DOG AT THE COST OF A VET BILL OF OVER LET'S SAY $300 OR SOMETHING, PUT A SMALL ENOUGH ONE THAT THEY PAY ATTENTION THAT THEY HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE AND THE DOG THAT I UNDERSTAND BE THAT DID THIS WAS DOING THE RESEARCH HAS BEEN BANNED IN SEVERAL COUNTIES AND I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU SHOULDN'T TAKE EVERY -- ONE BAD APPLE SHOULDN'T SPOIL THE WHOLE BUNCH, BUT OWNERS NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IF THEY'RE DOG IS BRED FOR HUNTING FOR WILD BOAR, A THE PUPPY LOOKS LIKE A TREAT. AND IF EVERYBODY IS SO SHORT STAFFED AT THE ANIMAL SERVICES, MAYBE YOU COULD LOOK AT OTHER OPENTIONS ABOUT SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO PAY FINES OR DO COMMUNITY SERVICE OR WHATEVER. 
          YOU CAN ASSIGN THEM TO WATCHING THE OWNERS TO MAKE SURE THEY DO DO WHAT'S NECESSARY LIKE WALK THEM MUZZLED, ON THE LEASH, HAVE A FENCE PUT UP, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. 
          THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS BUT ONE INCIDENT IS TOO MUCH AND WHEN IT DRAWS 3W4RUD, THERE'S NO IFS, ANDS, OR BUTS, IT HAS TO BE CONSIDERED A DANGEROUS DOG. I'M WITH THE OTHER, ONCE THEY DO IT, CHANCES ARE THEY'LL GET THE TASTE AND DO IT AGAIN. THAT'S MY OPINION AS WELL. 
          THANK YOU. >> APPRECIATE IT. >> ANYONE ELSE ON THIS TOPIC BEFORE WE MOVE ON? TROY, LET'S GO AHEAD TO YOUR NEXT ONE. 
          >> IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD, JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE DIRECTION FOR THIS, YOU WEREN'T US TO LOOK AT BRINGING BACK BOTH AN AGGRESSIVE DOG AND A NUISANCE ORDINANCE AS PART OF WHAT WE 
          PROPOSED AS OUR FINAL ORDINANCES? >> YES. 
          >> IS THERE ANY CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE SO THAT COURTNEY AND I CAN HAVE 
          DIRECTION? >> WHAT THE LADY SAID ABOUT THE VET BILL, CAN WE IMPOSE 
          SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> I WOULD REFER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY FOR THAT. 
          >> THEY'RE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR VET BILLS IF THEY'RE DOG CAUSES INJURY TO ANOTHER DOG? 
          >> YOU CAN PUT THAT IN YOUR NO. BECAUSE ENFORCEABILITY IS A PROBLEM. 
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WHEN WE GET BACK WITH JUDGE COLLINS WE CAN TALK TO HIM ABOUT THAT BUT. 
          >> I'VE HEARD THAT IS A PROBLEM WITH THE ENFORCEABILITY AT THE COURTS, SO, YEAH, THAT'S WHERE 
          IT NEEDS TO CHANGE, IT SOUNDS LIKE. >> AT THIS POINT THE WAY THE ORDINANCE STANDS, SOMEBODY STILL COULD GO TO CIVIL COURT TO TRY TO RECOUP FEES OR CHARGES THAT THEY INCURRED GETTING A PUPPY OR DOG BACK TO HEALTH IF THEY WERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR 
          STATE STATUTE? >> RIGHT. THEY CAN GO TO THE COURT. 
          >> BUT THAT WOULD BE AN EXTRA, YOU KNOW, IT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEES WHAT THE 
          JUDGE SAYS. >> RIGHT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO BE AS AGGRESSIVE AS POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF PEOPLE HAVE ANIMALS THAT THEY MIGHT EVEN THINK HAVE A TENDENCY TO BE VIOLENT OR AGGRESSIVE, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO LAY DOWN SOME REAL STAUNCH MARKERS THAT IF THEY, YOU KNOW, TRIGGER THOSE THEY'LL BE EITHER PUNISHED OR WHATEVER WE CAN IN TERMS OF KEEPING TRACK OF THEM SO IF IT HOSPITALS AGAIN THEN THEY'LL REALLY BE PUNISHED. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE -- IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GIVE ANYBODY A MULLIGAN. I THINK IT SHOULD START THE FIRST TIME. 
          >> WITH THE INCREASE OF POPULATION I'M CONCERNED ABOUT MORE ANIMALS AND MORE OF THIS 
          HAPPENING. >> I DON'T THINK IT'S A CASE OF NUMBERS IN TERMS OF STAFF BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT WE'RE MONITORING IN THAT SITUATION, DO WE? 
          >> WE'VE GOT PEOPLE IN DANGEROUS DOG SITUATIONS THAT WE MONITOR. WE HAVE 20 OR 30 DANGEROUS DOGS IN THE COUNTY AND FEE. WHEN WE SAY MINOR INJURY, I NEED CLARIFICATION. ARE YOU SAYING ANY MINOR INJURY BEING ANY BITE WOULD RESULT IN AN ANIMAL BEING DECLARED AGGRESSIVE? THE REASON I ASK, THERE'S ALWAYS BITES IN THE COUNTY. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE GET MINOR BITES. 
          >> IS IN FROM SAME JOHNS COUNTY. >> RIGHT. TWO MINOR BITES WITHIN A YEAR OR 
          A MAJOR BITE. >> HOW DO YOU SAY IT WAS MINOR OR MAJOR? 
          WHAT DO THEY SAY THERE? >> DO YOU HAVE TO COUNT THE TEETH MARKS? 
          >> NO. THE BLOOD. >> WHETHER YOU HAVE TO HAVE STITCHES AND WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS DISFIGURING OF A LIFETIME, CHANGED YOUR APPEARANCE OR 
          CHANGED WHERE YOU NEED IT FOR A LONG TIME. >> A SITUATION WITH A BOXER, AND THEY STILL HAVE THE BOXER, MY FRIEND HAS THREE YOUNG BOYS, BOYS AND DOGS, THEY WRESTLE, AND ONE OF THE BOYS GOT A TOOTH, CAUGHT A TOOTH NEAR HIS EYE SO SHE TOOK HIM TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE SHE WAS AFRAID IT WAS GOING TO GET INFECTED AND ONE OF YOUR OFFICERS SHOWED YOU TERRITORY HOME AND SHE WAS TOTALLY NOT EXPECTING THAT WILL AND THEY HAD HAD SOME OTHER INCIDENT WITH A NEIGHBOR SO THEN THEY ARE DOG WAS, LIKE SHE SAID, WE COME BACK ONE MORE TIME WE'RE SEIZING YOUR DOG AND HE'LL BE LABELED DANGEROUS OR WHATEVER SO THEY CHANGED THEIR BEHAVIOR AND THEY GOT A DIFFERENCE AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WHILE IT WAS ALARMING TO MY FRIEND, THAT SHE WAS TOTALLY NOT EXPECTING IT AND THIS WAS A BELOVED ANIMAL AND PART OF THEIR FAMILY, IT DID CHANGE THE WAY THEY LOOKED AT THEIR ANIMAL WHICH IS THE INTENTION OF THIS ORDINANCE. 
          >> IF WE CHANGE THIS TO SAY ANY MINOR, HER DOG WOULD HAVE BEEN LABELED AGGRESSIVE BECAUSE IF WE WENT TO ONE MINOR AGREE HER DOG WOULD HAVE BEEN LABELED AGGRESSIVE WHICH MEANS SHE MAY NOT HAVE DECIDED TO KEEP IT. INSTEAD OF AN ESCALATION IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DECLARED BECAUSE IT WAS ONE BITE AND YOU DO HAVE THOSE INSTANCES BECAUSE THE WAY IT WORKS YOU GO TO THE HOSPITAL, THEY REPORT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND THEY SEND A REPORT TO US AND WITH HAVE TO GO DO A BITE REPORT AND SO I'M JUST CAUTIONING THE BOARD OF THIS. MAYBE WE NEED A THIRD LEVEL. 
          MAYBE WE NEED A MINOR, MODERATE. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT COURTNEY BECAUSE IT'S NOT COVERED IN THE STATE STATUTE. MAKE OUR OWN DEFINITION IF WE NEED A THIRD LEVEL THERE. 
          I CAUTION OF ANY BITE BECOMES AGGRESSIVE. >> I THINK SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WHO SPOKE AND I APPRECIATED THEIR COMMENT AS WELL BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S HOW WE GET BETTER, INPUT AND COMMUNICATION AND THEY USE THE TERM MAJOR AND IT STRUCK ME WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING, MA'AM, AND I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME BECAUSE I'M BAD WITH NAMES, IF YOU THINK OF A MINOR INJURY, AND THEN MAJOR AND SEVERE, I THINK SEVERE OF THE DISFIGUREMENT, EMERGENCY 
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ROOM, VET BILLS, WHATEVER, FOR THE ANIMAL OR PERSON AND MAYBE YOU DIFFERENTIATE A MAJOR INJURY TO A PERSON SHOULD TRIGGER SOMETHING DIFFERENT, BUT I ALSO KNOW, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, MY DOGS ARE OUR BABIES. THEY GO TO WORK WITH US EVERY DAY. 
          THEY THINK THEY'RE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY. THEY THINK THE WORLD CAN'T FUNCTION WITHOUT THEM BUT THEY'RE YORKIES, ALTHOUGH ONE THINKS HE'S A HOUND DOG BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CAUSE THE SAME. NOW I'VE SEEN A CHIHUAHUA THAT CAN INFLICT A BITE THAT PROBABLY COULD RIVAL ANOTHER BIGGER DOG SO THERE DOES TEND TO BE A JUDGMENT CALL ON THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER'S POINT ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO LABEL MINOR, MAJOR, OR SEVERE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US START SOMEWHERE WITH BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY AND THEN IF WE NEED TO GET, TO MODIFY IT, ONCE YOU COME BACK AND ONCE YOU'RE USING IT AND IF YOU COME BACK AND SAY IT'S HARD TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A MODERATE OR A MAJOR VERSUS SEVERE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW I'M KIND OF THINKING THAT WE COULD -- 
          LET'S START SOMEWHERE AND THEN WELCOME. >> WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT A SEVERE INJURY IS AS OPPOSED TO MINOR AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. 
          IF SOMEBODY GETS NIPPED AND -- [CROSSTALK] . >> . 
          >> WE JUST HAVE TO DETERMINE THE AGGRESSIVE OR THE SEVERE INJURY AND UNDER THE AGGRESSIVE LAW AND THAT MAKES IT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE DEADLINE. HERE'S THE LINE IN THE SAND. 
          YOU CAN GO OVER THIS AND THEN YOU'RE CONSIDERED TO BE AN AGGRESSIVE DOG. 
          IF IT'S SOMEONE WHERE THE KID REACHES OUT BECAUSE HE WANTS TO PET THE DOG AND THE DOG SNAPS AND BARELY BREAKS THE SKIN, I DON'T CONSIDER THAT TO BE A DOG BITE. 
          >> HOWEVER ONCE IT BREAKS THE SKIN, THAT'S WHERE WE CONSIDER IT A DOG BITE. 
          >> WELL, IT'S NOT AGGRESSIVE. >> NOT SEVERE -- [CROSSTALK] . >> THOSE ARE DEFINED DEFINITIONS IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF SEVERE OR MINOR. 
          I'M TRYING TO DEFER TO. >> I WOULD STICK WITH THE DEFINITION FOR SEVERE BUT I DON'T THINK MINOR IS DEFINED. WE CAN COME UP WITH WHATEVER DEFINITIONS YOU WOULD LIKE FOR SOMETHING UNDER SEVERE BUT SEVERE IS -- I THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH WHAT THE STATUTE IS BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR RE-WRITES FOR THE ORDINANCES ARE STICKING WITH THE STATUTE BUT THAT 
          DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T COME UP WITH OTHER DEFINITIONS. >> IF IT PLEASES THE BOARD WE CAN COME BACK WITH SEVERE AND THEN MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER CATEGORY IN THERE TO KIND OF SEPTEMBER 
          RATE, YOU KNOW. >> WITH SEVERE INJURY IT SHOULD BE IMMEDIATE PROBLEM FOR WHOEVER OWNS THE DOG. IF IT'S MINOR, THEN GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET A SECOND ONE THAT YEAR AND THEN IF IT BECOMES A PROBLEM AT THAT POINT IN TIME -- [CROSSTALK] . 
          >> MORE THAN JUST MINOR BUT HABITS. >> SO YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH 
          THIS? >> NO. THE -- [CROSSTALK] . 
          >> MAYBE ADD THE WORD, "ONCE," AND I THINK YOU MEANT -- I THINK THE INTENTION IS -- [CROSSTALK] 
          . >> I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING -- [CROSSTALK] . 
          >> I TOOK IT THAT WAY AS WELL AND SO DID THE AUDIENCE THAT CAME YOU HERE. 
          I THINK THE SEVERE INJURY HAS GOT TO BE THE FIRST TIME AND -- [CROSSTALK] . 
          >> ONE TIME OR CAUSES A MINOR INJURY WITHOUT PROVOCATION TWICE. 
          >> RIGHT. >> I UNDERSTAND WHERE THE CLARIFICATION NEEDS TO BE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. >> ALL THAT BEING SAID, I STILL CAN'T BUY THE EQUIVALENCY OF A CHILD AND ANOTHER ANIMAL. TWO  ANIMALS ARE GOING TO REACT DIFFERENTLY THAN CHILDREN AND 
          WE'RE PUT THEM ALL IN THE SAME PENALTY FEE AND THAT'S WRONG. >> WHAT'S YOUR SOLUTION? 
          >> YOU BITE A KID WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY A DANGEROUS DOG. >> WE CAN'T DO THAT. 
          IT'S A STATE STATUTE. >> BUT YOU COULD MAKE THEM GET THE INSURANCE POLICY. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. THAT'S AN INDEPENDENT KIND OF DEAL. 
          IT'S NOT DRACONIAN. >> SOMETHING TO DIFFERENTIATE. >> THAT WILL TAKE A LOT OF THE DOGS IN FAMILIES OUT OF ACTION BECAUSE OF THE INSURANCE. THE FIRST STRIKE, YOU KNOW, IF 
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          IT'S NOT YOUR KID AND -- -- [CROSSTALK] . >> I OWN DOGS AND WHEN I'M SCREWING AROUND WITH THE DOG AT HOME AND THE DOG BITES ME I'M NOT GOING TO REPORT IT. 
          BUT IF I TAKE THE DOG OUT AND IF A KID COMES UP, I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          ALL I'M SAYING IS THERE BE SOME DIFFERENTATION. MAYBE AN INTEREST POLICY. 
          >> AND FORCIBILITY WOULD BE A LOT EASIER, TOO. >> AND IT LEAVES THE DOG OWNER WITH A LOT OF OPTIONS AT THAT POINT. THEY COULD EITHER CHOOSE TO INCREASE THE FENCING AND PAY THE INSURANCE OR THEY CAN GET RID OF THE DOG OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. IT'S UP TO THEM. AND WE'RE NOT DICTATING THE PENALTIES THERE. THE ONLY THING WE DO IS SAY, HEY, IF YOU'RE DOG'S GOING TO BE AGGRESSIVE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN INSURANCE POLICY SO YOU CAN AFFORD TO FIX ANYTHING. 
          >> IF THE CHILD IS ANTAGONIZING OR BEING VIOLENT WITH THE DOG THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE STORY. I'VE SEEN KIDS BE RIDICULOUS WITH ANIMALS AND I WOULD BITE 
          THEM. >> I'D SAY IF IT'S OUTSIDE YOUR HOME. 
          YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE STREETS EXCEPT BY CONTROLLING YOUR DOG. 
          >> YEAH. >> WITHOUT PROVOCATION. >> WITHOUT A STORY. 
          >> WE'VE HAD CASES WHERE THEY WERE WALKING DOWN THE STREET AND KID WALKED UP AND PULLS THE DOG'S TAILS AND BITES CASES AND WE'VE HAD THOSE CASES WHERE WE HAVE WORKED WITH IT. 
          >> A MINOR THING. >> WELL, A HUMAN BEING. >> YOU SAID A KID. 
          >> -- [CROSSTALK] . >> ONE IS NOT TREATED DIFFERENTLY. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU HAVE A SEVERE INJURY TO A PERSON -- [CROSSTALK] . 
          >> IT'S A PERSON. DOESN'T SAY CHILD OR ADULT. PERSON. 
          >> I'M SAYING A BITE, NOT SEVERE INJURY. >> RIGHT. 
          >> IF THE DOG BITES A HUMAN BEING -- [CROSSTALK] . >> WE CAN'T CHANGE THE 
          DEFINITION OF SEVERE INJURY ACCORDING TO THE. >> I'M NOT TALKING SEVERE INJURY. I'M TALKING A BITE. CAN WE DO THAT? 
          >> SEVERE INJURY IS BROADER THAN A BITE. ARE YOU WANTING IT TO BE ONLY IF THEY BITE OR DO YOU WANT -- SO SEVERE INJURY IS ANY PHYSICAL INJURY THAT RESULTS IN BROKEN BONES OR MULTIPLE BITES IMPORTANT DISFIGURING LACERATIONS REQUIRING SUTURES OR 
          RECONSTRUCTIONIVE SURGERY. >> A BITE THAT RESULTS IN ALL THAT IS A BITE THAT CAUSES THAT BUT I'M SAYING IF AN ANIMAL BITES A HUMAN BEING THERE OUGHT TO BE SOME -- YOU HAVE TO GO 
          TWICE A YEAR. >> CAN WE COME BACK WITH A THIRD LEVEL IN THERE, MINOR, AND AGAIN I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE ABILITY THAT IF IT'S A FLIP AND IT BREAK THE THE SKIN AND YOU HAPPEN TO GO TO THE DOCTOR AND THEY CALL US THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE DECLARING A DOG -- BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENS, IN-HOUSE BITES, AND ALLOW US TO WORK WITH COURTNEY AND COME BACK WITH 
          THAT. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? >> YES. 
          >> CAN I RELATE A PERSONAL INCIDENT? I WAS WALKING AT A PLACE I HAVE IN PENSACOLA AND AN AIRRADAIL ROTATED HIS HEAD AND GRABBED AHOLD OF MY KNEE. 
          HE WAS ON A LEASH WITH A LITTLE KID. IT WENT THROUGH A SET OF WRANGLERS AND NIPPED MY SKIN AND CAUSED IT TO BLEED. AND BECAUSE THE PERSON WOULDN'T ACKNOWLEDGE IN AN UNPROVOKED MANNER ATTACKED ME, CALLED IT A FLIP. 
          HE DIDN'T BITE YOU BUT HE NIPPED YOU. I SAID, OKAY WE'LL SEE WHAT THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER SAYS ABOUT THIS. I WAS WILLING TO LET IT GO BECAUSE IT WASN'T A BIG DEAL. BUT THEY KEPT INSISTING IT WAS A FLIP. 
          IT WASN'T A BITE. IT WAS A FLIP. ANYWAY, THEY HAD TO QUARANTINE THE DOG FOR 15 DAYS AND SO BE IT. ANYWAY, THAT'S MY PERSONAL 
          STORY. >> I HAVE A DOG ON MY ROAD WHO HAS BITTEN SEVERAL PEOPLE. 
          HE BIT AN 80-YEAR-OLD LADY WHO RIDES HER BICYCLE. HE BIT HER ANKLE AND THE OWNER EVEN SAYS, OH, YEAH, BLUE BELL BITES, BUT IT DOESN'T HIT THEM IN THEIR POCKET BOOK. 
          IF THEY HAD TO GO AND GET THE LIE BILLFY POLICY THEY'D KEEP BLUE BELL IN THE YARD. 
          MAYBE BLUE BELL DOESN'T LIKE ITS NAME. DID HE BITE HER OR NIP HER? 
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          >> HE DREW BLOOD. >> IF YOU'RE BLEEDING AFTER YOU ENCOUNTER THIS, THAT'S A BITE. 
          >> EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT I TOLD THE LADY. NO, HE NIPPED YOU. 
          >> DOESN'T BREAK THE SKIN. >> TROY, COULD YOU MOVE ON TO COMMUNITY CATS? 
          [4.  Discussion on TNR Program]
          >> ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT ITEM IS COMMUNITY CATS. CURRENTLY WE DON'T DEFINE OUT COMMUNITY CATS. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PUT A DEFINITION IN THAT SAY AS COMMUNITY CAT IS AN EAR-TOUCHILIED CATS, THE FREE ARIPPLING CATS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE CARED FOR BY ONE OR MORE RESIDENTS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA WHO ARE NOPE OR UNKNOWN. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IF IT'S OUT FREE ROAMING, IT NEEDS TO BE 
          EAR-TIPPED AS WE ALLOW THEM TO FREE ROLE. >> WHAT IF IT ATTACKS A BIRD AND DRAWS BLOOD? WE GET A LOT OF COMPLAINTS? MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT TEN CATS IN SOMEBODY'S YARD AND THEY CAN'T HAVE A BIRD HOUSE AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          THAT'S A MAJOR THING. >> AGAIN, THAT'S A LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT THE COUNTY WANTS TO ESTABLISH. CURRENTLY THE COUNTY DOES NOT HANDLE UNLESS IT BECOMES A NUISANCE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A NUISANCE REALLY FOR CATS RIGHT NOW. 
          BACK TO THE NUISANCE ORDINANCE, IF THEY'RE UNION THE CATS ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY WHO ARE GOING ONTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW YOU STRUCTURE THAT. 
          IF YOU START TO PICK UP EVERY CAT IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO EVER SUCCEED. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT HAPPY MEDIUM IS BETWEEN THE TWO. TNR, I KNOW THE OPINIONS OF TNR AND HOW THEY VARY. 
          MR. PRICE AND I TALKED AT LENGTH ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST BUT, YOU KNOW, MY ANSWER TO THAT IS ARE WE GOING TO ELIMINATE THE CAT POP LATHESES BY DOING TNR. NO. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO ANYTHING BY DOING NOTHING? NO. 
          >> DOES IT REDUCE THE POPULATION OF FERAL CATS IN MY COMMUNITY? >> I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT WILL REDUCE THE POPULATION. IT WILL CURVE THE AMOUNT OF POPULATION EXPLOSION YOU'LL 
          HAVE. >> FLATTEN THE CURVE. >> YES. 
          IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING THE ANIMALS WILL REPRODUCE. IF YOU DO TNR, WHILE YOU MAY NOT 
          ELIMINATE THE COLONIES, YOU'LL KEEP IT FROM GROWING. >> WHEN I WAS IN A POSITION TO 
          DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, THE ANSWER SEEMED TO BE NO. >> I'M NOT A TNR EXPERT. 
          BUT I HAVE ONE IN THE AUDIENCE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. >> LET'S GET HER UP HERE. 
          >> 50 PERCENT. >> I WAS TOLD IT DIDN'T DO ANY GOOD. 
          THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. INCREASE? DOES IT WORK? 
          WHO ARE WE KIDDING HERE. >> HI, AGAIN. WE DEFINITELY BELIEVE TNR WORKS HOWEVER IT'S VERY HARD TO GAUGE BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY CATS ARE OUT THERE, JUST LIKE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY BIRDS ARE FLYING AROUND. YOU CAN'T COUNT THEM. 
          THERE'S CALCULATIONS WHERE YOU CAN GUESSTIMATE HOW MANY ARE FREE-ROAMING BUT WHAT WE CAN TELL YOU WHICH IS OFTEN ANNEX DOT ELLIS FOR EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS CATS TNR'D IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS, YES, IT MAKES A HUGE IMPACT. THEY NO LONGER SEE KITTENS OR HAVE THE NUISANCE BEHAVIOR WITH INTACT ANIMALS, THE FIGHTING AND THE MATING AND THE YELLING AND THE SPRAYING, ALL THINGS PEOPLE TYPICALLY COMPLAIN ABOUT. WE HAVE SEEN IN JACKSONVILLE, I STARTED THE PROGRAM IN '08 AND WE'VE SEEN A DRASTIC REDUCTION IN CATS ENTERING OUR SHELTERS, IN KITTENS ENTERING OUR SHELTERS, AND WE STILL DO A VERY ROBUST TNR PROGRAM UP THERE BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE THAT MOVE INTO THE COMMUNITY THEREFORE THEY BRING CATS AND THEY A LOT OF TIMES LETS THEM OUTSIDE. OUTDOOR CATS ARE NOT JUST FERAL 
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CATS, THEY PET AND FRIENDLY CATS. LESS THAN 5 PERCENT ARE 
          CONSIDERED THAT. >> HAS ANYBODY CONSIDERED A LEASH LAW FOR CATS? 
          >> NO. THAT IS SOMETHING WHERE WE HELP. >> WHAT KIND OF NUMBERS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? HOW MANY QUARTERS ARE TNR'D? 1,000? 
          2,000? >> KEEP IN MIND WE'RE A MUCH LARGER LAND MASS AREA. 
          IN 2008 WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROGRAM WE HAD 13,000 CATS COMING INTO OUR SHELTER EVERY SINGLE YEAR AND THAT FIRST YEAR WE TNR'D 5400. IN ADDITION TO THAT THOUGH WE DID LIKE AN ADDITIONAL 8,000 COMMUNITY CAT SURGERIES BUT THAT WASN'T NECESSARILY JUST DUVALL COUNTY. ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT ARE STIRRING THE SHELTER AND YOU STILL HAVE CATS OUT THERE REPROS DEUCING. IT'S NOT WHAT IS COMING INTO THE SHELTER. 
          THE MORE OPPORTUNITIES YOU HAVE FOR PEOPLE THE MORE OPPORTUNITIES YOU GET. 
          I WAS EXCITED ABOUT YOUR CLINIC THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY AT THE SHELTER WHERE 22 CATS WERE DROPPEDDED OFF IN A MATTER OF 30 MINUTES EIGHT THEY GOT FIXED WITHIN TWO HOURS AND NOW THEY'RE PICKED UP AND TAKEN BACK TO WHERE THEY ARE LIVING AND NOT REPRODUCING OR CAUSING ISSUES. 
          IT REALLY IS A WIN-WIN SITUATION. >> HAVE YOU SEEN THE PROPOSAL HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY'VE PROPOSED FOR US TO START WITH I GUESS THE ONES THAT -- YOU WANT 
          TO PUT YOU THAT SLIDE? >> SURE. CURRENTLY THE COMMUNITY CAT PROGRAM WE WERE DOING TWO CATS PER DAY, PER HOUSEHOLD, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY, AND WHAT THEY ARE REFERRING TO, TO MAKE IT MORE REEFFICIENT, WE SWITCHED IT TO ONLY WEDNESDAY AND EXPANDING THE NUMBER WE CAN DO. IT MAKES IT MORE EFFICIENT FOR OUR STAFF AND ALLOWS US TO DO HIGHER VOLUME. LAST YEAR, THE SURGERY NUMBERS, 249, 326, AND 190 IN OUR SHELTER DONE. SO WE CAN DO 40 PER WEEK. IF WE MARKS MY OUT 52 WEEKS PER YEAR, 40 CATS ON THIS NEW SCHEDULE, WE CAN DO ABOUT 2,000 IN OUR SHELTER THEORETICALLY. 
          WE'LL NEVER SEE THAT NUMBER GET THAT HIGH IN OUR SHELTER. IT'S NOT CAPABLE OF IT. 
          WHAT YEAR PROPOSING IS A VOUCHER PROGRAM AND WE WOULD MANAGE IT THROUGH ANIMAL SERVICES, NOT HAND OUT ONE BUT CREATE A RELATIONSHIP WITH VETERAN CLINICS SO THAT IF A TRAPPER SAID, I'VE GOT TEN. WE'VE GOT A RELATIONSHIP WITH VETERAN CLINIC A AND YOU TAKE THOSE TEN TO THIS VET CLINIC THIS WEEK AND THE COUNTY WOULD PICK UP THE BILL FOR THE TNVR. 
          WE'VE REACHED OUT TO LOCAL VET CLINICS AND 75SEEMS TO BE WHERE THAT'S AT TO DO THE NEUTER, VACCINATION, THAT SIDE, THE SURGERY SIDE. A COUPLE OF OTHER BENEFITS TO THAT HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, IT ALLOWS THOSE VETS TO HAVE REOCCURRING HELP TO THE COUNTY AND THEY'RE FILLING UP SLOTS THEY MAY HAVE AVAILABLE. MOST VETS DON'T HAVE AVAILABILITY. THEY'RE AT CAPACITY. THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION WE COULD COME UP TO AND IT'S SCALABLE. WHEN WE GET TO A CERTAIN POINT WE CAN REACH OUTSIDE THE COUNTY TO OTHER VETS, CLINIC. CAMERON HASN'T SEEN THIS SO I DON'T WANT TO PUT HER ON THE SPOT BUT THAT WAS THE BEST THING WE COULD COME UP WITH, TAKING IT OUTSIDE OF OUR SHELTER, CREATE A PROGRAM WHERE WE PAY THE VETS TO DO THE TNR FOR US. 
          >> IF WE ADD A PROGRAM LIKE THAT IS THERE GRANT MONEY AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD GO PURSUE. 
          >> THERE'S GRANT OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE BUT KEEP IN MIND EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY IS APPLYING FOR THOSE SAME GRANTS BUT A LOT OF THE FUNDING THAT'S HAPPENED IN OUR CLAY DUVALL NASSAU, AREA. SURGERY CAPACITY IS AN ISSUE. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH VETS, PERIOD, AND THE ONES OUT THERE, THEY DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO DO ALL THE SURGERIES. CURRENTLY YOU HAVE A LOT OF CITIZENS TRAVELING TO FIRST COAST HOMELESS PETS ON NORWOOD AVENUE AND THAT'S REALLY FAR. IT'S QUITE A DISTANCE FOR THEM TO GO AND THEN TO STAND IN LINE AND TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS SO HAVING THIS FOR YOUR CITIZENS IS GOING TO BE SUCH A BENEFIT AND WHEN TROY SAID THAT HE DIDN'T THINK THEY WOULD REACH THE 2,000 LIMIT, I DISAGREE. I THINK YOU MIGHT BECAUSE THE NEED IS OUT THERE BUT THE AVAILABILITY, THE ACCEPTS TO CARE HAS NOT BEEN THERE. ONCE PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS I THINK 
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YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY WILL COME BECAUSE THEY'RE SO THRILLED. I'VE ALREADY HEARD CHATTERS 
          SINCE YESTERDAY FROM CLAY COUNTY CITIZENS WHO WHO ARE SO HAPPY. >> 2,000 WAS MORE DIRECTED TO THE DOCTOR DOING 2,000 SURGERIES, 40 PER WEEK IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ALREADY DO. 
          YES, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE SLOTTED BUT DO I THINK THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY WOULD FIND 2,000 ANIMALS FOR US TO DO THAT? NO DOUBT IN MY MIND. TO ADD TO THIS, BECAUSE YOU AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH COMMISSIONER WAYNE BOLLA, 5500 IS THE NUMBER. 
          IF WE HIT THAT NUMBER, AT THAT POINT IF WE HAD A NEW SHELTER AND PROPER MEDICAL FACILITY, 5500 IS THE NUMBER WHERE IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO IT IN HOUSE. 
          TO YOUR POINT, 5500, AND IF WE GOT TO THAT POINT WITH THAT NUMBER UNDER THE VOUCHER SYSTEM, 
          YOU WOULD WANT TO INSOURCE INSTEAD OF OUTSOURCE. >> 5,000? 
          >> AT 5,000 YOU WOULD GET A BREAK POINT WHERE IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THE PRIVATE SECTOR DO IT THAN US. ONE THING I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS THAT'S NOT ON LITTLE SLIDE AND I MENTIONED IT EARLIER, EDUCATION IS GOING TO BE A BIG PART OF THIS AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT THE COUNTY DOESN'T DO RIGHT NOW WITH THE PROGRAMS, EDUCATION, AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT TOO, AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON WHY THIS PROGRAM WORKS, WHY YOU SHOULD DO THIS ROCK, WHY YOU SHOULD MICROCHIP YOUR ANIMAL, ALL THOSE DIFFERENT 
          ELEMENTS OF A PROGRAM. >> HE HAD ESTIMATES IN THERE OF HOW MANY FERAL CATS WE HAD. 
          >> FREE YOU A ROACHING CATS, CAN BE ENDED OR UNKNOWNED, FRIENDLY OR FERAL. 
          >> TAKE YOUR POPULATION AND DIVIDE BY SIX, AND THAT IS AN ESTIMATION OF HOW MANY OUTDOOR CATS YOU HAVE BUT THEY COULD BE CATS THAT COME IN AT NIGHT. THEY COULD BE CATS THAT LIVE AT FIVE HOUSES. THEY COULD BE CATS THAT LIVE BEHIND THE CRACKER BARREL. 
          >> IF YOU TAKE THAT NUMBER, TALKING ROUGHLY 35,000 COMMUNITY OUTDOOR CATS IN THE COUNTY. 
          >> FOR EVERY SURGERY YOU DO YOU ARE MAKING A DIRECT IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORS AROUND THOSE CATS, TO THE CATS' LIVES THEMSELVES, TO YOUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, AND FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE CATS THEY'RE RECEIVING A RABIES VACCINATION SO YOU'RE ACTIVELY INCREASING YOUR COMMUNITY'S IMMUNE CONTINUE AGAINST RABIES WHICH RIGHT NOW EVERYBODY'S OUT THERE NOT VACCINATED. 
          >> IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE THAT COVID IS CARRIED BY CATS? I KNOW THERE WAS TALK ABOUT IT 
          GOING TO DOGS? >> THERE'S BEEN SOME STUDIES AND SOME THINGS BUT IT'S NOT A CONCERN OF OURS AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN AND WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING IT CLOSELY. 
          >> I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING. >> I DO, TOO. THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE FOR 
          COVID. >> -- [CROSSTALK] . >> NICE TRY. 
          >> WE KNOW HOW YOU THINK. >> WE GOT TO A POINT WHERE WE WERE ABLE TO DO 5,000 IN A PARTICULAR YEAR, AND THAT WOULD START MAKING A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE BASED ON THE NUMBERS 
          YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN DUVALL COUNTY. >> DEFINITELY. 
          >> HOW REALISTIC IS IT TO TRAP 5,000 CATS WITH OUR CITIZEN POPULATION? 
          >> YOU HAVE 200,000 PEOPLE OUT THERE IN YOUR COMMUNITY AND IF THEY HAVE A CAT -- THEY CAN GET 
          ACCESS. >> WE CURRENTLY HAVE 40, 50 TRAPS THAT WE LOAN OUT TO 
          PEOPLE. >> YOU COULDN'T GET ENOUGH TRAPS TO TRAP THOSE DOGS AT ORANGE COUNTY COUNTRY CLUBS. WE COULDN'T GET THREE TRAPS DELIVERED. 
          GIVE ME A BREAK. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S AN ISOLATED SITUATION. 
          >> WE HAVE RECENTLY IN THE LAST YEAR, WE'VE INVESTED MONEY TO BUY TRAPS BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE PROPER NUMBER OF TRAPS TO LOAN OUT BUT WE FIXED IT. 
          WE LOAN THEM OUT AND YOU HAVE CITIZENS THAT I'M SURE WHO WOULD WANT TO TALK TO THIS SUBJECT AND THEY CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY TRAPS BECAUSE A LOT OF PRIVATE TRAPPERS WHO HAVE BEEN DOING THIS AND CAN GIVE BETTER INFORMATION THAN WE CAN ON HOW MANY THEY CAN GET IN THE COUNTY. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES OUT THERE CATCHING THE KITTENS AND CATS ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          >> PRIOR TO WORKING WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA I WORKED FOR FIRST COAST HOMELESS PETS AND WE HAD A A PROGRAM WHERE I WOULD ACTUALLY DRIVE A FAN TO THE TRACTOR SUPPLY AND PICK UP 50 TO 60 ANIMALS, THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE COMMUNITY CATS TRAPPED BY YOUR CITIZENS. 
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WE WOULD TRANSPORT THEM TO THE CLINIC AND FIX THEM AND RETURN THEM IN THE EVENING. 
          SO THE DESIRE IS OUT THERE. IT'S JUST THE ACCESS TO THE CARE. 
          >> DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW ROBUST JACKSONVILLE, DUVALL COUNTY IS? 
          >> YES. VERY ROBUST. >> HOW MANY DO YOU DO A YEAR? I LIVE IN ORANGE PARK. IF WE HAD A GOOD PROGRAM DUVALL WOULD BRING THEIR CATS TO US AND DROP THEM OFF. WE FOUND THAT HAPPEN MANY, MANY TIMES. 
          >> I DON'T FOLLOW YOU ON THAT BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THERE'S SUCH A NEED FOR COMMUNITY CAT SPAY AND NEUTER. AND IT HAS MADE A DIRECT IMPACT ON THE CITY'S SHELTER AND THEY HAVE TAKEN IN THE FEWEST AMOUNT OF CATS THEY EVER HAVE IN THE WHOLE ENTIRE HISTORY. 
          >> MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT WAS IF WE PROVIDE A SERVICE WE CAN BRING IN BRADFORD, YOU KNOW, DUVALL 
          PEOPLE WILL BRING THEM DOWN. >> I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD SPELL OUT TO THE PLACES THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS, SO PUTNAM AND BRADFORD ARE DESPERATE FOR THIS KIND OF SERVICES, RIGHT. 
          DUVALL, THEY DON'T NEED TO DRIVE DOWN HERE. THEY HAVE ACCESS SEVEN DAYS A WEEK BUT IT'S JUST NOT -- IT'S STILL NOT ENOUGH. BUT I THINK YOU COULD DEFINITELY 
          PROVIDE A HUGE SERVICE. >> ALL I'M SAYING IS CRACKER BARREL WAS A BIG DROPOFF. 
          >> I KNOW. I WORKED ON THAT PROJECT WITH THE CITY OF OTHER RANGE PARK FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, SO DEFINITELY I UNDERSTAND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          >> NO. THANK YOU, CAMERON. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THE CATS? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO 
          SPEAK TO COMMUNITY CATS? YES, MA'AM. >> NEAT SA GOOD. 
          I RETIRED IN 2014. THAT FALL I TRAPPED 19 FERAL CATS MYSELF AND TOOK THEM TO THE HUMANS SOCIETY TO START WITH WHICH TOOK A LONG TIME. THE COUNTY OUT HERE OFFERED THIS SERVICE AND IT'S QUICK. IT WAS TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY AND THAT WORKED OUT GREAT BECAUSE YOU COULD DROP THEM OFF AND PICK THEM UP INSTEAD OF SITTING ALL DAY LONG. 
          TWO YEARS AGO I TRAPPED SEVEN MORE, ALL FEMALES. IF I HADN'T HAVE DONE THAT TODAY WE WOULD HAVE KITTENS EVERYWHERE IN JUST MY LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS IS MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO THE COMMUNITY PARK IN FLEMING ISLAND. 
          IT'S ON BERMUDA DRIVE, AND I BELIEVE IT IS FUNDED BY THE COUNTY. 
          PEOPLE WERE BRINGING THEIR DOGS OVER TO THIS PARK WHERE THERE'S CHILDREN PLAYING AND THEY'RE TURNING THEM LOOSE. THERE'S NO SIGNS ANYWHERE IN THAT PARK THAT SAYS THAT DOGS NEED TO BE LEASHED. WE DO HAVE A LEASH LAW THAT UNDERSTANDIC THERE'S SOME PARKS THAT DO ALLOW DOGS TO BE TURNED LOOSE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS ONE OF THEM. THIS HAS A PLAYGROUND FOR SMALL CHILDREN AND A FULL COURT IN THE BACK. SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE LET OUT. MY CONCERN IS THERE'S GOING TO BE A TRAGEDY WITH THIS. THEY'RE USING THE BATHROOM THERE. 
          I CALLED AND SPOKE TO SOMEONE AT PARKS AND REC AND SHE SAID, THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF MAKING SIGNS NOW BUT THERE WAS NO URGENCY. LIKE I SAID, SCHOOL'S ABOUT TO BE LET OUT AND THE KIDS WILL BE IN THAT PARK EVERY DAY. THESE ANIMALS ARE COMING OVER THERE REGULARLY. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE THEY COME TO MY FENCE TO TRY TO FIGHT WITH MY DOG THROUGH MY FENCE WHICH THANK GOODNESS IT IS BOARD TO BOARD. I THOUGHT YOU SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT AND IT'S A COUNTY PARK AND ALL I ASK FOR IS A SIGN AT THE OPENING OF THE GATE THAT SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE YOUR DOG ON A LEASH. THANK YOU. 
          >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. >> ANYBODY ELSE ON CATS OF CATS? >> I'M SHERRY MANSFIELD, THE DIRECTOR AT SAFE ANIMAL SHELTER. I JUST WANTED TO BRING YOU A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          LAST MONTH WE TRAPPED 150 CATS AND KITTENS AND HAD THEM FIXED AND RETURNED, SO WE COULD EASILY DO 2,000 A YEAR, JUST OUR SHELTER ALONE. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WILLING TO DO THE TRAPPING. THEY DON'T HAVE -- THEY COME TO EVERYBODY FOR TRAPS AND IT'S DEFINITELY A NEED THAT WE HAVE. WE ALSO APPRECIATE THAT YOU'RE 
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CALLING THEM COMMUNITY CATS RATHER THAN FERALS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE FRIENDLY AND VERY OFTEN THE TRAPPERS ARE BRINGING THEM TO US TO ADOPT OUT ESPECIALLY THE KITTENS. THAT'S ONE WAY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM OUT OF THE COMMUNITIES, AND A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE NOTICED IS THE DUMPING OF THE CATS. 
          PEOPLE ARE DROPPING THEM OFF IN THESE PLACES AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN ENFORCE THAT BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT. IT'S VERY COMMON THAT YOU'LL FIND A NICE LITTLE CAT SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A WOODED AREA THAT DID NOT LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THAT AND IT'S SAD. IT'S VERY SAD. AND ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IS THE -- NOT COMPLAINT BUT THREATEN AND SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO POISON AND SHOOT AND KILL. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE VERY CRUEL TO THE ANIMALS AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS IN 
          THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. >> SO YOU CAN COMMIT TO DOING 
          2,000 CATS IN A YEAR? >> WE COULD IF WE HAD SOMEWHERE TO TAKE THEM TO, YES. 
          >> BUT YOU DON'T DO THE NEUTERING THOUGH. >> WE DO THE TRAPPING AND THEN WE TAKE THEM TO BE NEUTERED AND WE'RE USING CLAY COUNTY ANIMAL SERVICES AND ANYWHERE ELSE THAT WILL DO THEM. IT'S FREE TO JACKSONVILLE BUT NOT TO CLAY COUNTY. 
          >> IF I HAD A VOUCHER, IF YOU HAD VOUCHERS FOR THE $75 YOU HAVE PLACES YOU COULD TAKE THE 
          CATS.. >> YES. >> IT'S A MONEY THING? 
          >> WE CAN'T AFFORD $75. >> I'M LOOKING AT WHAT THE FIRST PART OF THE PRESENTATION SAID THAT HOW MUCH WAS IT TO ADOPT A CAT OUT? 250, OUR PRICE? 
          >> YOU MEAN OUR PRICE TO HANDLE IT? >> YES. 
          >> NO. 75 I THINK THE VOUCHER WAS. >> WHAT HE IS REFERRING TO OUR COST PER ANIMAL, OUR HEALTHCARE EVER, AND THAT'S OUR COST BECAUSE WHEN YOU ADD EVERYTHING UP BASED ON DAY ONE COSTS WALKING IN THE DOOR, SO THE ANIMAL WALKS IN THE DOOR AND WE HAVE TO VACCINATE IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S PROTECTED, AND AVERAGE COST PER DAY, FEEDING, STAFF OF COST, AVERAGE SURGERY COST, AND THAT'S WHERE THAT NUMBER COME IN, THE 5500, BECAUSE WE CAN DO 
          IT FOR LESS THAN 75 BECAUSE WE HAVE THE STAFF ON. >> WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO IF WE 
          STOP ONE CAT FROM HAVING KITTENS, THAT'S MORE WE AVOID. >> YES. 
          AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO YOUR SHELTER SIZE. IT PLAYS TOGETHER, SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY THAT'S WHERE THE QUESTIONS WHICH IS HOW DO YOU SOLVE THE ONE PERSON, YES, WE GET TO 5500. IF WE RUN THREE SHIFTS, WE HAVE ONE AND RUN THREE SHIFTS A DAY, LIKE A FACTORY, WE COULD PROBABLY KNOCK THOSE COSTS DOWN IF WE COULD GET IT STAFFED. 
          >> THE COST OF THE ESTIMATE FOR THE 55 UP WAS THE STAFF COST. THAT'S WHEN YOU BREAK EVEN ON OUR STAFF COST FOR ANOTHER VETERAN TO WORK AND TWO MORE VETERAN TECHS, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD RUN THAT SECOND SHIFT OF PEOPLE. YOU CAN'T DO IT WITH OUR CURRENT SHELTER. AND SUPPLIES. BUT WE CAN'T DO IT IN OUR 
          CURRENT SHELTER. IT'S NOT SET UP TO DO IT. >> IF WE CUT A DEAL WITH THE COUPLE OF THE VETERANS IN TOWN THEY DON'T USE THOSE FACILITIES AT NIGHT BUT THEY'RE ALL 
          PRIVATE. I GET THAT. >> YES. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE ISSUE OF OUR LICENSE FOR OUR DRUGS ARE ONLY AT OUR SHELTER AND YOU'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS. THERE USED TO BE PARTNERS, VET CLINICS THAT WOULD DO TNR FOR FREE. WITH COVID THEY GOT BACKED UP AND THEY'RE NOT DOING IT FREE. 
          >> IT'S COSTING THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY. IT'S NOT FREE. 
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          >> 31.71, EVERY CAT. >> I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT AND THROWING MAJOR BUCKS AT THIS TO GET IT FIXED. I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR FOUR YEARS. 
          EVERY TIME I OPEN MY MOUTH I GET TARRED AND FEATHERED, BUT WE SPEND $2 MILLION A YEAR TO RUN THIS ANIMAL OPERATION. WE ONLY SPEND 900,000 TO DO OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT. 
          GRANTED, THAT'S SUBSIDIZED BY THE STATE BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES BY THIS COUNTY, I MEAN, WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THIS AND I'M NOT SURE -- WE JUST HAVEN'T BEEN 
          ABLE TO FIND A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. >> TROY DID COME TO US A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND OFFERED US TO RAMP UP TO DO WHAT WAS IT, 350,000, AND YOU COULD HAVE DONE 
          X NUMBER OF CATS. >> I WAS TOLD WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE THAT TNR DOES NOT WORK. WE'VE GOT TO DO AT LEAST 50 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION THE FIRST YEAR AND 50 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS FOR IT TO MAKE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CHANGED OR 
          SOMEBODY HAS GOT A BETTER REPORT. >> I THINK WE'RE MIXING APPLES AND ORANGES. I THINK THE 50 PERCENT, IF I REMEMBER THE PRESENTATION, THE 50 PERCENT WAS HOW DO YOU REDUCE THE CAT POPULATION AND TRY TO GET IT DOWN TO ZERO. 
          >> IT WASN'T ZERO. >> GET IT DOWN TO REDUCING THE CATS OUT THERE. 
          I'M NOT GOING TO EVER COME TO YOU AND SAYING WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CATS ALREADY IN THE COUNTY. MY WHOLE THING IS CONTROLLING EXPONENTIALLY. 
          I'M TRYING TO KEEP US FROM INCREASING THE POPULATION EXPONENTIALLY BECAUSE IF YOU 
          DON'T, IT WILL BE AN EVEN BIGGER PROBLEM AND INCREASE. >> THANK YOU. 
          >> I THINK ALSO COVID PLAYED A BIG PART LAST YEAR, LESS PEOPLE WERE GOING OUT TRAPPING. 
          THE VETS WERE CLOSED, AND I KNOW WE SUFFERED BECAUSE WE ENDED UP TAKING ALMOST 900 KITTENS IN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THEY WERE EVERYWHERE. WE'RE STILL PLAYING CATCH-UP ON THEIR SURGERIES, BUT AS FAR AS 50 PERCENT GOALS I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START OVER ON TRYING TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE BUT TROY'S RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST TO KEEP PREVENTING MORE KITTENS, NOT GETTING RID OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE. 
          >> WHAT'S THE LIFESPAN OF A CAT? >> IT CAN BE UP TO 20 YEARS IF IT'S HEALTHY. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT IN THE WILD THOUGH. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> THANK YOU, SHERRY. >> ANYBODY ELSE ON THE COMMUNITY CATS? 
          >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> I WAS GOING TO MAKE SURE WE GOT TO YOU. 
          YOU SAID YOU WANTEDDED  WANTED D YOU WANTED TO GO LAST. >> YOU ADDRESSED A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. CAN YOU BRING YOU THE RECORD THAT YOU HAVE ON THE -- WHAT 
          DESCRIBES THE DANGEROUS DOG, THAT SLIDE AGAIN. >> FRANK, IF YOU COULD JUST 
          IDENTIFY YOURSELF AGAIN ON VIDEO. >> 1599 WINSTON LANE. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> WHAT'S HIS NAME. >> ARLOW. 
          THAT'S THE SISTER WHO STAYS AT HOME BECAUSE HE'S IN SURGERY, TWO WEEKS, NOW, AND IN SURGERY AGAIN AS WE SPEAK. YES, IT HAS TO HAPPEN MORE THAN ONCE. 
          THAT'S PARAGRAPH B. WHAT DOES PARAGRAPH A STATE? CAN SOMEONE READ IT? 
          I DON'T HAVE THE BEST VISION. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. I WAS SEVERELY INJURED IN THIS ATTACK TOO. I'M FACING ACTUAL SURGERES. ONE TO FIX THE TENDONS THAT I HAD FIXED IN DECEMBER THAT I RETORE MY ELBOWS. THAT'S ONE. 
          I'VE ATTORNEY A MENISCUS OUT OF MY KNEE. THAT'S THE SECOND. 
          DOG OFF OF MY LITTLE PUPPY.OUND- MIAMI INJURED. ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER AND SHE DOESN'T WORK FOR YOU ANYMORE, THANK GOD, SHE SAID MY INJURIES ARE NOT A RESULT OF MY ATTACK. 
          MY INJURIES WERE FROM ME FIGHTING THE DOG. THE DOG DIDN'T FIGHT ME. 
          I GOT INJURED FIGHTING THE DOG. I SAID, I'M TRYING TO RETRIEVE MY PUPPY BUT THAT DOESN'T 
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MATTER. THAT'S A SEPARATE CASE. IT'S NOT. 
          IT'S CALLED [INDISCERNIBLE] I WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN INJURED IF THEIR DOG DIDN'T ATTACK. 
          IT WASN'T THAT THE DOG WAS LOOSE. THE DOG WAS LOOSE. 
          WE WAITED FOR THE WOMAN TO PUT HER DOG IN THE HOUSE, AS WE PASSED HER HOUSE HER SECOND LOOSE DOG STARTED THE ATTACK AND THEN SOME PERSON IN THE HOUSE LET THE DOG BACK OUT. 
          THIS IS A FIGHTING DOG. YOU RELEASE A DOG LIKE THAT OUT YOUR FRONT DOOR WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A SITUATION GOING ON WITH TWO LITTLE PUPPIES BEING CHASED BY A 25-POUND LOSE DOG IT'S GOING TO DO ONE OF ONLY THING. IT'S GOING TO ATTACK AND THAT'S WHAT IT DID. IT DIDN'T COME DOWN AND SNIFF ME OR YOU AND I DON'T KNOW LIKE YOU. IT CAME DOWN TO KILL ME. 100-POUND DOG JUMPED ON THAT DOG. I'M TOLD MY INJURIES DON'T COUNT. 
          HE'S BEEN THROUGH FIVE SURGERIES AND HE HAS MORE TO COME AND I HAVE TO FOOT THE BILL BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY -- I CAN'T GET -- I CAN'T GET A WORD OUT OF THEIR INSURANCE BECAUSE THEIR DOG DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. SOMEONE SAID TO HAV INSURANCE. WHEN YOU HAVE A DOG THAT'S CONSIDERED A [INDISCERNIBLE] OR A GLADIATOR DOG THE COMMUNITY HAS THE RIGHT TO ENFORCE THE OWNERS OF THOSE DOGS AND LICENSE OR PERMIT, AND ARE REQUIRED TO CARRY THE INSURANCE TO HAVE THAT DOG. YOU CAN ENFORCE THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. NO. YOU CAN ENFORCE. 
          IF YOU WANT THE LUXURY OF OWNING A DOG LIKE THAT YOU OUGHT TO SPEND $5,000 TO OWN YOUR FIGHTING DOG THEN YOU CAN AVOID THE INSURANCE AND PERMIT AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN MONITOR IT BECAUSE THERE'L BE FUNDS TO DO IT WITH. I DRIVE A FAST CAR. 
          MY INSURANCE COMPANY SURCHARGES ME THAT BUT THAT'S THE ELECTIONRY I WANTED AND THAT'S THE PRICE I PAY. PEOPLE WHO WANT DOGS LIKE THIS CAN PAY FOR IT BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE SAID, MA'AM, I DON'T WANT TO ARGUE, THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT SHOWS THAT A DOG LIKE THIS, WHEN IT HAS THE ADRENALINE AND THE THRILL AND THE RUSH, THE ECSTASY AND FIGHTING AND ATTACKING LIKE THAT, EVERY VET I'M TALKED TO, 30 OVER THE LAST WEEKS, THEY HAVE SAID THE SAME THING. IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF IF THE DOG WILL ATTACK AGAIN, IT'S ONLY IT'S A BLOOD LUST. IT'S IN THEIR BREEDING. IF I HAVE A GUN AND I'M REALLY RESPONSIBLE AND I KEEP IT BLOCKED AWAY AT NIGHT, I'M A SAFE OWNER OF THAT GUN. 
          IF I HAVE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS GUN, IT'S GOING TO HURT. IF YOU HAVE A DOG THAT THAT'S DANGEROUS, THE CAPABILITY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DOG LIKE THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT. THOSE PEOPLE SHOW NO RESPONSIBILITIES. 
          IN FACT WHEN YOUR OFFICE WENT DOWN AFTER INTERVIEWING ME AND THREW THEM OFF MY FRONT LOAN, SHE HAD TO CHASE THEM OFF THE YARD, SHE WENT DOWN AND TUCKED TO THEM AND SHE ALSO TOLD ME WE NEED MORE THAN ONE REPORT. I SAID I'LL GO DOWN TO TALK TO THE NEIGHBORS. 
          THEY SAID, IT WON'T COUNT. I DID GO DOWN AND TALKED TO THE NEIGHBORS AND EVERYONE HAS A HORROR STORY, PEOPLE LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, 90 YEARS OLD, THEY DON'T COME OUT OF THEIR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN FEAR. THEY WERE PETRIFIED OF THAT DOG AND IT'S ALWAYS IN THEIR YARD. 
          THAT'S THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO THEM. THEY'RE 90 YEARS OLD. 
          I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING. I'M NOT OUT FOR A WITCH HUNT FOR THE DOGS BUT I JUST ASK FOR SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING SO IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN. I DON'T WANT ANY OF YOU TO HAVE TO GO WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH. IT'S KILLING ME. AND TO BE TOLD THAT -- I WAS TOLD BY THE ANIMAL CONTROL, ANIMAL RIGHTS CONTROL OFFICER, I WAS TOLD SHE FOUND THIS JOB LATE IN LIFE. IT'S HER CALLING, BECAUSE NOW SHE'S IN A FEELING TO DEFEND THE ANIMAL'S RIGHTS BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SPEAK. TESTIMONY YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER. YOU HAVE TO BE UNBIASED. I ASKED HER, WHAT ABOUT MY 
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RIGHTS? ABOUT ARLOW'S RIGHTS? SHE HAD NO COMMENT. 
          SHE SAID, HE'S HOME, HE'S ALL RIGHT? NO, HE'S IN SURGERY. 
          I WENT AND CHECKED ON THE OTHER DOG. HE DOESN'T LOOK DANGEROUS, SHE SAID. I WANT TO TURN AROUND AND LOOK FOR THE CAMERA WHO IS FILMING THIS BECAUSE THIS REALLY CAN'T BE HAPPENING IN REAL LIFE. AND THAT'S THE STRATEGY. 
          I'M NOT ON A WITCH HUNT. I LOVE DOGS. MY SISTER OWNS THE BIGGEST NONPROFIT GROUP IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK AND I'VE RAISED BEAGLES FOR YEARS. 
          I'VE TOLD YOU THE STORY YESTERDAY, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, TO THE POLICE, ANIMAL CONTROL, EVERYBODY THAT'S ASKED, I HAVE THE SAME STORY. THEIR STORY CHANGES. 
          FIRST MY DOG ATTACKED THEIRS AND DEFENDED ITSELF. AND THEN MY LITTLE PUPPIES ATTACKED HER AND HER DOG DEFENDED HER. THEN WHEN THEY'RE SUBPOENAED, THE CAMERAS, THEY CHANGED THE STORY AGAIN. OUR LITTLE DAUGHTER LET THE DOG OUT BY MISTAKE. NO. WHEN I GOT UP OFF THE GROUND AND [INDISCERNIBLE] THE DOG RAN. I WAS SHOCKED. I HAD IT IN A HEAD LOCK. 
          I WAS POKING IT IN THE EYES TO LET GO. AND WHEN IT LET GO, IT TURNED AND LOOKED AT ME AND THE WOMAN TRIED TO HELP. SHE HAD THE DOG BY THE FOOT AND HAIR. I JUMPED UP OFF THE GROUND. I STAND THERE AND OUT OF THE CORNER OF MY EYE, PERIPHERAL VISION, THE OWNER OF THE DOG AND HOUSE, I WANT YOU TO SEE THIS, I WAS STANDING IN THIS DRIVEWAY LIKE THIS, WATCHING THE ATTACK HAPPEN AND I LOOKED AT THEM AND I SAID, YOU WANT POPCORN AND A SODA OR DO YOU WANT TO GET YOUR DOG? THEY GOT THE DOG AND THEN I PICKED UHM ARLOW AND THEN YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY. 
          [INDISCERNIBLE] IT'S HORRIBLE. I WANT TO LEAVE WITH ONE THING FOR YOU PEOPLE AND REAL QUICK. 
          IT'S BEEN A BUSINESS FOR 20 YEARS. REPORTS OF TWO HEINOUS DOG ATTACKS WITHIN A WEEK. I'LL LEAVE IT. YOU GUYS CAN READ IT LATER. 
          QUOTES ARE AMAZING. [INDISCERNIBLE] 
          MINUTES AND I THANK EVERYBODY. >> THANK YOU, FRANK. >> I WANT TO LEAVE THIS WITH 
          YOU. >> COME ON UP. >> YOU CAN READ THE PARTS ABOUT 
          THE QUOTES. >> WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE RECORD. >> THERE'S A LOT OF QUOTES IN 
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          THE BACK. [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THEY OWN THE DOG TO FIGHT. 
          AND I CAN'T SAY HE DOES SO I'M NOT GOING TO DISPARAGE HIS NAME BUT WHY DO YOU HAVE A FIGHTING 
          DOG. >> UNDERSTOOD. >> YOU GUYS HAVE A GREAT DAY. 
          >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD LUCK WITH ARLOW. PRIOR TO THE ATTACK HAPPENING WE HAD THIS MEETING SCHEDULED AND WE WERE GOING TO GO OVER BUT WE WENT OVER IN TERMS OF AGGRESSIVE AND DANGEROUS DOGS SO I DID TELL FRANK THAT WE'RE DOING THAT AND THAT'S WHY HE CAME DOWN TODAY TO RELAY THIS PERSONAL STORY ABOUT WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN HIS NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY HAS? QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> THE COUNTY MANAGER HAS MADE NOTES AND HE'LL CONSULT WITH PARKS AND RECREATION IN THE 
          MORNING. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAD A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          GENE PRICE CAME IN AND BRIEFED ME QUICKLY ON DOGS ON THE FIELD SO THERE WERE SIGNS THAT ARE ORDERED FOR THE SIGNS FOR ANIMALS NOT TO BE ON THE FIELD. WE'LL ALSO LOOK INTO PUTTING 
          SIGNS UP ABOUT THE LEASH LAW AND MAKE SURE THOSE ANIMALS. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> YES, MA'AM. 
          >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> RIGHT. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT, MR. CHAIRMAN. >> ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. >> IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING 
          HERE, TROY, DID YOU WANT TO FINISH UP? >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> YES, MA'AM. >> WE'RE READY TO ADJOURN. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> I'LL INTRODUCE YOU. WHAT'S YOUR NAME, MA'AM? >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> VERY GOOD. THE YOUNG LADY AT THE END IS COURTNEY GRIMM. 
          SHE'S THE COUNTY TORN. NEXT, HOWARD WANAMAKER. ONE OF OUR COMMISSIONERS, HOWARD, FIVE COMMISSIONERS, COMMISSIONER BURKE, DISTRICT FIVE. 
          NEXT TO HER, JAMES RENNINGER, DISTRICT THREE. MIKE CELLA, DISTRICT ONE, SERVING AS YOUR CHAIRMAN. VISIT CHAIR, WAYNE BOLLA, DISTRICT TWO. 
          AND THEN DISTRICT 4 IS COMMISSIONER BETSY CONDON. AND NEXT TO HER IS STACEYS AND CHRISTINE. THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FROM THE CLERKS OFFICE OF TAKING ALL THE MINUTES AND THAT'S WHY WE ASK FOR A LOT OF INFORMATION BECAUSE THAT ALL GETS ON THE RECORD. 
          THAT IS TROY NEGLE, DIRECTOR ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE THING WE DO IN THE COUNTY. 
          >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THE FOLKS FROM ANIMAL CONTROL INTRODUCED THEMSELVES EARLIER. 
          THE COUNTY AUDITOR IS IN THE BACK. TWO YOUNG LADIES THAT ASSIST 
          COURTNEY IN THE LEGAL AREA. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AS FAR AS THE AUDIENCE YOU'LL 
          NEED TO TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES AFTER WE ADJOURN. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. 
          >> VERY GOOD. TROY IS GOING TO FINISH IT UP. THANK YOU, MA'AM. 
          >> THE LAST THING I HAD WAS SOME DIRECTION ON THE TNR. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING -- I'LL DEFER TO THE COUNTY MANAGER IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ARE LOOKING AT NOW, NEXT BUDGET YEAR, A COMBINATION OF BOTH. 
          >> I THINK THAT WOULD BE A KEY. I VOTED FOR THE 12 YEARS AGO. I'M IN FAVOR OF IT NOW IF THAT'S WHAT WE CAN AFFORD. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THE BUDGET AND WHAT IS ABLE TO FIT IN. WE'VE GOT ABOUT TEN POUNDS OF STUFF AND, YOU KNOW, FIVE-POUND BAGS SO WE CAN'T FIT EVERYTHING IN THERE, SO FINALLY WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. 
          IS EVERYBODY ELSE IN FAVOR WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PLAN OR WOULD YOU LIKE SOMETHING ELSE TO 
          ADDRESS? >> I'M IN FAVOR. HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I KNOW THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN BUDGETED FOR MY DISTRICT THAT WERE NOT ALLOCATED SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S RESPONSIBLE IF I COMMIT -- [CROSSTALK] . 
          >> EXACTLY. SO IN THAT RESPECT, DEFINITELY FOR NEXT BUDGET YEAR. 
          I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN GOING FORWARD AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT OTHER MONIES ARE COMING DOWN FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SO MAYBE WE CAN REALLOCATE OR WHATEVER AND I READ A BLURB, AN 
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          ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION, AND MAYBE THAT BUDGET WILL LOOK BETTER. >> IF IT GETS TO US. 
          >> WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR OFFICE THE FIRST TIME I KNOCKED ON 4,000 DOORS AND I WAS IN HERITAGE HIMS AND I'LL NEVER FORGET THIS. I WENT TO THIS GUY. 
          I WALKED INTO HIS YARD AND HE'S GOT LIKE BIRD HOUSES EVERYWHERE AND I NOTICED A FEW CATS SITTING BY THE BUSH AND I KNOCK ON HIS DOOR AND I SAID, YOU GOT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. 
          I'M RUNNING FOR COUNTY COMMISSION. HE SAYS, YEAH, CAN WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT ALL OF THESE CATS. I HAVE AT LEAST TEN CATS LIVING IN MY YARD AND I CAN'T GET RID OF THEM. HE SAYS, DO YOU SEE ALL THESE BIRD HOUSES AROUND HERE, I USED TO HAVE A LOT OF BIRDS HERE BUT THE NATIONAL  AUDUBON SOCIETY IS SAYING THE CATS GET 1 BILLION BIRDS IN THE U.S., WITH A BIG B, AND HE SAYS THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO ABOUT IT. AND I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR EIGHT YEARS NOW AND EVERY TIME I DO, WE EITHER CAN'T DO IT OR THERE'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM. IF WE CAN FIX THIS OR AT LEAST GET STARTED AT IT, I WILL BACK IT 100 PERCENT AND THAT IS JUST ONE GUY. 
          THIS IS NOT SOMETHING -- I HAD AT LEAST MAYBE TEN PEOPLE THAT GAVE ME THE SAME KIND OF STORY. 
          I'VE GOT A PLACE I OWN AND NEXT TO IT TWO LOTS DOWN FROM ME, THERE'S SO MUCH DEBRIS, WOODS, KIND OF, WHERE PEOPLE COME WITH A PICKUP TRUCK AND JUST DUMP FOOD OUT THERE AND IT PILES UP AND THERE'S CATS ANYWHERE. I DON'T HATE CATS. I USED TO OWN A FEW. 
          I'VE SAID ENOUGH. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
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