PROCLAMATIONS/RESOLUTIONS

[2. Resolution of the Board of County Commissioners of Clay County, Florida, declaring Clay County's support for the State designation of the interchange at State Road 23 and Henley Road as “Sergeant Eric John Twisdale Memorial Interchange”]

ITEM. WE WILL CALL ON THE SHERIFF, SHERIFF COOK, IF YOU COULD COME ON DOWN. THIS RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS DECLARING PLATE COUNTY SUPPORT FOR THE STATE DESIGNATION OF THE INTERCHANGE AT STATE ROAD 23 AND HINDLEY ROAD AS SERGEANT ERIC DOWN TO IS DALE MEMORIAL. WITH THE REST OF THE GROUP COME DOWN AS WELL? EVERYONE COME IN. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY. ALL RIGHT, I DID NOT KNOW WHO I ASSIGNED TO DO IT.

TOO MANY MOVING PARTS. >> RESOLUTION NUMBER 2020/2021. A RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA, DECLARING CLAY COUNTY SUPPORT FOR THE STATE DESIGNATION OF THE INTERCHANGE AT STATE ROUTE 23 AND HENDLEY ROAD AS SERGEANT ERIC DOWN TO IS DALE MEMORIAL INTERCHANGE. RECITALS WHEREAS ERIC DOWN TO IS DALE SERVED WITH THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD 22 YEARS. THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER ERIC SERVED AS A DEPUTY, DETECTIVE, DIVE TEAM MEMBER AND SERGEANT. AND WHEREAS, ERIC DEDICATED SERVICE HAS RECEIVED RECOGNITION THROUGH NUMEROUS ACCOLADES INCLUDING RECEIPT OF THE SHERIFFS OFFICE LIFESAVING AWARD, AFTER SAVING SOMEONE FROM DRIVING IN 2014 AND DEPUTY OF THE YEAR FOR HIS ROLE IN APPREHENDING TO MURDER SUSPECTS IN 2015. WHEREAS THE COMMUNITY WAS DEEPLY SADDENED WHEN SERGEANT ERIC JOHN WAS DALE'S WATCH ENDED ON SEPTEMBER 16, 2020, AND WHEREAS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DESIRE TO RECOGNIZE ERIC JOHN EXTRAORDINARY CAREER OF PROTECTING AND SERVING THE CITIZENS OF CLAY COUNTY.

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE BOARD COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA AS FOLLOWS. THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CLAY COUNTY, FLORIDA THE CLIENT COUNTY SUPPORT FOR THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE TO DEDICATE THE INTERCHANGE AT STATE ROAD 23 AS THE SERGEANT ERIC JOHN T. INTERCHANGE DULY ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA THIS NINTH DAY OF MARCH, 2021.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR? IS ANYONE OPPOSED? I SEE NONE. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR HIS SERVICE, AND I THINK THIS WILL BE UNANIMOUSLY PASSED BY THE

LEGISLATURE. >> ON BEHALF OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS. WE WILL MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS AN INVITE TO THE UNVEILING ONCE IT IS APPROVED AT THE STATE LEVEL. THANK YOU.

[3. Government Finance Professionals Week]

COMMISSIONER WILL READ THIS ONE. BEFORE WE GET TO IT CAN WE HAVE THE COUNTY CLERK COME AND JOIN

US? WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CALL ANY PERSON WHO IS AN FINANCE OR THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT OR BUDGET OR WITH THE COUNTY FINANCE DEPARTMENT WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IF YOU ARE A FINANCE PROFESSIONAL, IF YOU WILL COME

UP HERE AT THIS TIME. >> WE WILL THAT THE COMMISSIONER READ THIS ONE BECAUSE HE IS A

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FINANCIER AT HEART. >> THANK YOU. >> LET ME CONGRATULATE EVERYONE APPEAR BY READING THIS PROCLAMATION. THE FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION IS A PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION, FUNDED -- FOUNDED IN 1937 AND SERVES MORE THAN 3300 PROFESSIONALS FROM STATE, COUNTY AND CITY GOVERNMENTS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, COLLEGES AND SPECIAL DISTRICTS AND PRIVATE FIRMS, AND, WHEREAS THE FLORIDA GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION IS DEDICATED TO BEING A PROFESSIONAL RESOURCE BY PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH EDUCATION, NETWORKING, LEADERSHIP AND INFORMATION. AND WHEREAS THIS GOVERNMENT FINANCE, PROFESSIONAL WEEK, SPONSORED BY THE FLORIDA GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION AND ALL OF ITS MEMBER, GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATION IS A WEEKLONG SERIES OF ACTIVITIES AIMED AT RECOGNIZING GOVERNMENT FINANCE PROFESSIONALS AND THE VITAL SERVICES THEY PROVIDE TO THE STATE AND COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS DURING THIS WEEK, THE GOVERNOR FINANCE PROFESSIONALS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED FOR THEIR HARD WORK, DEDICATION AND LEADERSHIP. THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OF CLAY COUNTY FLORIDA PROCLAIM MARCH 15-19, 2021 AS GOVERNMENT FINANCE PROFESSIONALS WEEK IN CLAY COUNTY AND EXTEND OUR THANKS AND HERE IN CLAY COUNTY FOR THEIR HARD WORK, DEDICATION AND LEADERSHIP DULY ADOPTED BY THE BOARD THIS NINTH DAY OF MARCH, 2021. I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL PERSONALLY FOR KEEPING ME OUT OF JAIL FOR SO MANY YEARS, THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS PROCLAMATION COLLECTS THE MOTION APPROVED AND A SECOND PERIOD ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

WE ARE DONE. WE ARE GOOD. >> ON BEHALF OF THE FINANCE PROFESSIONALS IN THE ROOM WE WANT TO SAY YOU THANK YOU. THESE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS BEHIND THE SCENE, HELPING YOU PROTECT YOUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND ENSURING THEY ARE ACCOUNTED FOR, DISPOSED, AND PAID ON TIME. THEY ARE A GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND WE ARE BLESSED TO HAVE THEM. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING.

[APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

AGENDA AND MOVED TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. I WILL TAKE A MOTION FOR

FEBRUARY 9 AND FEBRUARY 23. >> MOVE APPROVAL. >> SECOND PERIOD.

>> ANY DISCUSSION. >> YES. I HAVE FOR CORRECTIONS TO THE FEBRUARY 9 MINUTES. THEY ARE, IN THE GTA PRESENTATION MS. SHEPLER'S NAME WAS SPELLED WRONG. ON ITEM 15 AIRPORT ROAD BY KEYSTONE HEIGHTS, IT IS -- THEY NAME THE RUNWAY 523. IT IS JUST A CONVENTION. THERE IS ONE RUNWAY.

AND IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. WE NORMALLY ANNOTATE A SINGLE RUNWAY AS SUCH.

COUNTY MANAGERS REPORT, THERE IS A REFERENCE TO SUBLEASE ON NUMBER 18.

IT WAS NOT EXPLAINED VERY WELL. I AM NOT EVEN SURE WHAT HIS COMMENTS WERE, AND IT COULD BE

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MY PROBLEM. JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. UNDER ITEM 20, TIME CERTAIN, SHERIFF IS SPELLED WRONG BUT IT WAS ONLY ONE TIME. JUST CORRECT THAT.

THOSE ARE THE ONLY CORRECTIONS THAT I HAVE. >> OKAY, CAN WE AMEND OUR MOTION

TO INCLUD THE CORRECTIONS. >> SO AMENDED. >> SECOND.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE HAVE COME TO PUBLIC COMMENTS. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN

[PUBLIC COMMENTS]

SPEAKING TO THE BOARD ON ANY TOPIC, THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ON THE AGENDA FEEL FREE TO DO SO.

WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CARDS. THE FIRST AND FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, IS MR. HENDRY.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE ISSUE AT THIS TIME? >> I WILL PASS.

>> THE SECOND ON THE LIST. STANLEY, F YOU WOULD COME UP. WE CAN LET YOU GET BY THAT WAY.

>> MY NAME IS STANLEY DEFENDING MY ADDRESS IS A MATTER OF NO ONE'S BUSINESS.

FOR THIS PURPOSE. I AM COMING TODAY, FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO THE BOARD. I SEE SOME NEW FACES. MY NAME IS STANLEY.

I HAVE BEEN A CITIZEN OF CLAY COUNTY SINCE 1967 WHEN MY MOM AND DAD MOVED HERE.

MY ORDERS WERE U.S. AIR FORCE. MY DAD WORKED -- UNTIL THEY RETIRED AND SHORTLY AFTER THAT THEY SHUT DOWN THE RADAR SITE OUT THERE. WE DO THE WAY BACK.

I HAVE LIVED IN CLAY COUNTY SO LONG, I REMEMBER, I REMEMBER THINGS, WHEN THINGS WERE DONE DIFFERENTLY. WE DIDN'T ALREADY -- RIGHT WE DID NOT ALWAYS HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE FRONT AND THE END. I LIKE THAT.

I LIKE TO SEE THE PEOPLE BRING NEW BUSINESS TO THE BOARD. HE MAY NOT HAVE MADE THE AGENDA.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON HOW THINGS ARE DONE. BUT THEN WHEN WE LOOK AT, THE COUNTY COMMISSION'S WEBSITE, I LOOK FOR THE SEARCH FOR MEETINGS AND AGENDAS, AND I COULD SEE TODAY'S MEETING, I CAN SEE THE AGENDA. AGENDA FOR TODAY'S MEETING AND I WAS TOLD IT DOES NOT EXIST YET. SEVEN DAYS IN ADVANCE, IT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME THAT SEVEN DAYS OUT SHOULD BE A GOOD STEPPING OFF POINT. THEN I LOOK HERE.

YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE NEXT BOARD MEETING.

I HAVE TO QUESTION, WHY ARE WE PUTTING THIS ON FOR SIX THERE IS A PLACEHOLDER FOR THAT, NO ONLINE AGENDA, NO BOARD DETAILS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I DON'T SEE THE FOURTH TUESDAY, A PLACEHOLDER FOR THE FOURTH TUESDAY, WE ARE EXPECTED TO KNOW THE COUNTY GOVERNOR MEETS IN LEGISLATIVE SECTION, THE 2ND AND 4TH TUESDAY, AND I BELIEVE SUNSHINE REQUIRES REASONABLE NOTICE FOR WHAT WILL GO ON HERE? TALK TO AND I'VE BEEN TOLD, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO HAVE AN AGENDA. LET'S LOOK AT THAT.

LET'S LOOK AT THAT WHILE YOU TALK ABOUT SPENDING MONEY ON APPROPRIATIONS, THIS AGENDA IS 664 PAGES INCLUDING ATTACHMENTS. WHY ARE WE SPENDING THE MONEY TWICE PER MONTH TO PUBLISH AN AGENDA IF STAFF SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUBLISH AN AGENDA? I BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO PUBLISH AN AGENDA BECAUSE IT IS PART OF REASONABLE NOTICE OF WHAT WILL GO ON HERE SO THE PUBLIC AND THE PRESS CAN BE INFORMED ON WHAT WILL HAPPEN, SO WE CAN MAKE INFORMED PUBLIC COMMENTS ON WHAT IS GOING ON WHERE WE ARE AFFECTED. NOW, I'M GUESSING MY TIME IS UP.

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I SEE A RED LIGHT FLASHING. I JUST WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS. I'M NOT EXPECT ANY ANSWERS OR ANY CHANGES TODAY.

BUT I BELIEVE, CLAY COUNTY, THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS CAN GIVE US AT LEAST AS MUCH NOTICE OF WHAT IS GOING ON AS THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD DOES. THE SCHOOL BOARD, WILL HAVE LITTLE OR NO ARGUMENT THAT THEY DON'T ALWAYS PERFORM THE BEST ABILITY WHEN IT COMES TO SUNSHINE, I THINK THIS BOARD IS HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE SCHOOL BOARD, WHY CAN'T WE SEE THE AGENDA AND THE ATTACHMENTS, SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR LISTENING TO ME. I WILL TAKE OFF NOW.

THE SUN IS SHINING. I HAVE TO WATER SOME PLANTS AND TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. I WILL BE BACK AGAIN FOR COMMITTING BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. WE CAN DISCUSS THIS. I'M A GRADUATE FROM PUBLIC SPEAKING I CAN TALK 10 MINUTES WITHOUT DRAWING A BREATH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. HAVE A GREAT DAY AND GOD BLESS YOU.

>> ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. MAKING A COMMENT TO THE BOARD I

[CONSENT AGENDA]

SEE NONE, I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVED TO CONSENT AGENDA.

DO WE HAVE ANY MOTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> I MOVED TO APPROVE THE

CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0. WE GO TO THE FIRST PART OF THE DISCUSSION OR UPDATES.

[12. Progress Report on the Bonded Transportation Program (E. Dendor)]

NUMBER 12 IS OUR PROGRESS REPORT ON THE BOND AND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.

ED, ARE YOU READY TO GO? COME ON UP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD, MY NAME IS E. DENDOR. SINCE OUR LAST MEETING, WE HAVE MADE GREAT PROGRESS ON THE PROGRAM. WE HAVE HELD WEEKLY PROGRESS MEETINGS.

NO INCIDENTS OR ACCIDENTS AND NOTE NEAR MISSES. WE ARE ON SCHEDULE, ON BUDGET.

THE TEAM CONTINUES ITS EFFORTS TO WORK WITH DEVELOPERS TO IDENTIFY THE BEST METHODS FOR WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS PONDING. ON PROJECT SIX SPEEMAC.

THE TEAM IS WORKING ON A COMMON CROSS-SECTION AS WELL AS A PHASE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION WITH THE LANDOWNERS. ON FEBRUARY 17, THE COUNTY'S EVALUATION TEAM MET WITH THE PURCHASING TEAM, AND REPORTED OUT OUR EVALUATION SCORES FOR THE QUALIFICATION PACKAGES THAT WERE RECEIVED. FOR THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT RISK.

THE RANKING AND SCORES FOR THE EIGHT PROPOSERS WERE NUMBER ONE, JACOBS ENGINEERING GROUP.

ENGLAND THIMS & MILLER, INC., GAI CONSULTANTS, INC. THERE IS ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 1ST AND THE FOURTH. MICHAEL BAKER INTERNATIONAL.

DRM P AND CMT AT 62.33. THE SCORE IS WERE PRESENTED AT THE MARCH 2 AUDIT MEETING.

THIS PROCESS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL AN AGREEMENT IS REACHED. IN AN EFFORT TO FACILITATE THE PROCESS AND KEEP PACE WITH THE PROJECT TIMELINE, WE ARE REQUESTING APPROVAL THAT ONCE THE BOARD APPROVES AND STAFF SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATES THE CORRESPONDING AGREEMENT WITHIN

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THE ALLOCATED BUDGET AMOUNT FOR THAT AGREEMENT THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE CHAIRMAN TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT IMMEDIATELY. IT IS ESTIMATED THAT THIS MODIFICATION TO THE PROCESS WILL SAVE US ANYWHERE BETWEEN TWO WEEKS OR MORE, IN MOST CASES MORE, REVIEW AND APPROVAL BY BOTH PARTIES. AND THEN THE TIME FOR THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE AND THE FOLLOWING BOARD COMMITTEE MEETING.

HOWEVER, IF THE COUNTY IS NOT ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITHIN THE ALLOCATED BUDGET AMOUNT THE MATTER WILL BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR CONSIDERATION BEFORE SIGNING AN AGREEMENT.

I WAS SEYMOUR CONSTRUCTION PROCESS WILL BE SIMILAR FOR THE DESIGN PROJECT WITH THE ADDITION THAT ONCE THE FINAL AND GUARANTEED PRICES NEGOTIATED IN THE PROCESS, THIS WILL BE BROUGHT BACK WITH A NEW AGREEMENT AND POSSIBLY AN ADDENDUM TO THE AGREEMENT FOR THE CHAIRMAN'S APPROVAL. ON FEBRUARY 11, REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION WAS ADVERTISED FOR SEYMOUR NUMBER TWO. ON MARCH 4 A REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATION WAS ADVERTISED FOR NUMBER ONE. AND, IN A SNAPSHOT, WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT MONTH.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GOOD OPPORTUNITY NEXT MONTH. WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE SURVEY WORK. WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS.

WE WILL START NEGOTIATIONS AND POSSIBLE COME TO TERMS AND AGREEMENT FOR THE ENGINEERING SERVICES AND WE WILL BE RECEIVING BIDS ON MARCH 22 AND OPENING THOSE ON THE 23RD FOR RFQ FOR CONSTRUCTION AND WE WILL START THAT EVALUATION PROCESS, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE WILL RECEIVE THE FINAL ALTERNATIVE TECHNICAL CONCEPTS FOR COUNTY ROAD 218 DESIGN BUILD AND BASED ON THOSE DESIGNS, THE TEAMS ARE SCHEDULED TO SUBMIT THEIR PROPOSALS ON APRIL 7 WITH BIDS OPENING ON APRIL 8. SO, AS YOU CAN SEE THE TEAM HAS BEEN VERY BUSY AND CONTINUES TO AND IN SUMMARY WE DO NOT SEE ANY ISSUES WITH MEETING OUR PROGRAM OBJECTIVES.

WITH THAT I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE ON THE UPDATE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WE WILL MOVE INTO THE CARES ACT UPDATE.

[13. CARES Act Update]

OUR ADMINISTRATOR, WILL TAKE US THROUGH THE LATEST. >> SO, THIS IS AN UPDATE ON THE FUNDING. SO FAR THIS HAS STAYED STATIC AT 76.7%.

THE STATE IS REVIEWING THOSE AFTER THE NEW ONE HAD TO BE PUT INTO PLACE.

OF THE MONEY OUT OF POCKET, 21 MILLION, 18.6 MILLION HAS BEEN APPROVED.

WE ARE ANY%. 18.5 MILLION, IS ACTUALLY BEEN TRANSFERRED OR WILL BE BY TOMORROW. SO THAT GIVES. SO THAT GIVES US WHERE WE ARE AT SO THE DELTA IS ABOUT THE $3 MILLION WHICH IS STILL CONSIDERED AT RISK.

THE OTHER UPDATE IS ON THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE. WE WILL HOLD COMMUNITY MEETINGS NEXT WEEK. ON MONDAY, WEDNESDAY AND THURSDAY.

MONDAY, MARCH 15, MARCH 17, AND MARCH 18 AT ORANGE PARK TOWN HALL TO DISCUSS THE RENTAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM. I THINK THAT IS IT. ONLY TWO SLIDES.

>> WHO IS THE AUDIENCE FOR THOSE MEETINGS? >> ANYONE INTERESTED IN RENTAL ASSISTANCE MAINLY GEARED TOWARDS THE LEAST SOURCE BUT OF COURSE ANYONE CAN ATTEND THAT RENTS

PROPERTY AND THE COUNTY THAT IS PAST DUE. >> WE PROPAGATED THAT THROUGH

THE WEBSITE? >> IT IS GOING THROUGH THE WEBSITE, FACEBOOK AND THEN SHE

PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE THAT WENT OUT TODAY. >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR TROY AT THIS POINT? NO.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> LET'S GET OUR COVID UPDATE.

[14. COVID Update]

I DO NOT KNOW WHO WILL APPROACH THE BENCH HERE. FIRST HEATHER, THE DIRECTOR OF

HEALTH. >> HAPPY MARCH. SO, --

>> THE ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY. >> FRIDAY IS THE ONE-YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF COVID, WITH OUR FIRST PATIENT HITTING AT ABOUT 5:36 P.M. WE MET AT 10:30 P.M. AT THE EEOC

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AND WORKED UNTIL 1:00 A.M. I HAD STAFF INTERVIEWING A PATIENT UNTIL 5:00 A.M. AT THE HOSPITAL. THAT IS THE DEDICATED PUBLIC HEALTH STEP YET.

A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE NUMBERS. THEY ARE VERY LOW. LESS THAN 200 TOTAL FOR EACH OF THE WEEK SPIRIT THAT IS GOOD WE ARE STARTING TO HOPEFULLY TURN THE CORNER.

I'M NOT SURE WE ARE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE CORNER. WE WILL SEE HOW BIG THE CORNER IS BUT WE ARE DOING WELL WITH THAT. A LITTLE LESS TESTING, BUT THE LESS CASES YOU HAVE, THE LESS TESTING YOU WILL NEED. VACCINATIONS, THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. WE HAVE DONE OVER 50,000 DOSES IN THIS COUNTY AND THIS IS FROM ALL OF YOUR PROVIDERS. WE ARE DOING APPROXIMATELY 5,000 PER WEEK.

WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REDISTRIBUTE TO PRIVATE PROVIDERS SO THEY CAN INOCULATE SOME OF THEIR OWN PATIENTS. AND WE HAVE BEEN EAGERLY WAITING FOR THE UPDATED -- EXECUTIVE ORDER BY THE GOVERNOR WHICH HE SIGNED YESTERDAY TO EXPAND THE PRIORITY GROUPING.

HE DID A LITTLE CLEANUP ON THE DATA, I WAS WRITTEN RELATED TO THE VULNERABLE POPULATION SO IT IS MUCH BETTER WRITTEN AT THIS POINT. THEN HE ADDED 60 AND OVER.

LET ME TELL YOU HOW THAT LOOKS FOR OUR POPULATION. 60-64, WE HAVE 14,000 PEOPLE WHO FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY OF AGE GROUP. IF WE TALKED ABOUT 70% 70%, WE ARE LOOKING AT 10-11,000 PEOPLE. THAT IS GIVING YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE.

WE WILL BE ADDING THE VULNERABLE'S INTO THE POPULATION AS LONG AS THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE SEEN BY THEIR PHYSICIANS AND THEY SIGNED THE FORM DEEMING THEM VULNERABLE AND THEY CAN GET THE COVID VACCINE. WE CAN VACCINATE THOSE UNDER THE AGE OF 60 ALONG WITH YOUR HEALTHCARE WORKERS WHO WILL STILL BE IN THAT PARTY GROUPING. FIREFIGHTERS, K-12 EMPLOYEES AND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS OVER THE AGE OF 50. I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS. CASES ARE LOW AND VACCINATIONS ARE UP.

THIS IS MARCH 15, YES ANY GUIDANCE ON PEOPLE UNDER 18 QUICKSAND VISORS DURING THE CLINICAL TRIAL ON THOSE UNDER 16. PFIZER IS APPROVED FOR 16 UP AND JOHNSON IS 18 AND APPEAR THEY ARE STARTING TO DO CLINICAL TRIALS ON THOSE REALMS. IT WILL BE GOOD NEWS WHEN WE COME OUT. IT WILL BE INTERESTING WHAT THE GOVERNMENT DOES AS WE GO INTO THE NEXT SCHOOL YEAR. IF WE ARE GROUPING IT WILL BE ENCOURAGE THOSE OVER 16 AND 17 BECOME VACCINATED IN HIGH SCHOOL IF WE DO NOT HAVE AN APPROVED VACCINATION THROUGH THE EMERGENCY USE OPERATION AT THAT TIME.

>> AS FAR AS THE TEACHER ROLLOUT, WHAT IS THE GUIDANCE ON THAT?

>> WEAR DURING THE 50 OVER, THE FEDERAL SITE, THEY CAN VACCINATE ACCORDING TO THE BIND ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE. ANY TEACHER CAN BE VACCINATED BECAUSE WE ARE SPONSORED BY THE STATE. WE FOLLOW THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS WRITTEN BY THE GOVERNOR AND HE HAS DESIGNATED THOSE OVER 50 EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST TEACHERS, TO BE VACCINATED.

IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING TO THE CONSUMER. WE STRESSED OUT ABOUT CLEANING THAT UP AND I'LL WAIT MESSAGE THAT CONSISTENTLY TO THE CONSUMERS.

JOHN HAS BEEN HELPFU AT THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER THAT INDIVIDUALS CAN CALL IF THEY

WANT CLEAR GUIDANCE ON WHERE THEY SHOULD GO. >> THE LAST QUESTION IS, HOW ARE THE VACCINATION RESERVATIONS SYSTEMS WORKING AT THE FEDERAL SITE FOR THE TEACHERS.

THAT IS A PRIORITY I WOULD THINK? >> OBVIOUSLY, THEY DO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT SITE, THAT IS WHAT THE FEDERAL SITES ARE USING, BECAUSE WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO PREVENT, WE DID VACCINATE QUITE A FEW AND SO, THEY WERE JUST TAKING WALK-UP SPIRIT BUT THE SECOND APPOINTMENTS, IF THEY GET PFIZER, THEY CAN BOOK THAT SO THEY KNOW WHEN TO COME BACK. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THE GATEWAY SITE, THEY DO HAVE THE JOHNSON & JOHNSON VACCINE. IT IS ONE-SHOT. IT IS MADE SIMILAR TO THE FLU VACCINE WITH A VIRUS SO IT IS SIMILAR TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH.

>> DO YOU THINK IT WILL MAKE ITS WAY HERE AT SOME POINT WAX. >> YES, I DO HAVE SOME DOSES IN

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OF JOHNSON & JOHNSON BUT WE ARE NOT PUTTING THOSE OUT YET, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE GUIDANCE FROM THE STATE SO WE ARE CONSISTENT BUT THEY HAVE STARTED GIVING IT OUT.

>> HAVE WE WORKED OUT THE HOMEBOUND ISSUE YET? >> I DON'T WANT TO SAY WE HAVE WORKED IT OUT BUT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT. THE LOGISTICALLY IT IS A BETTER PROJECT TO USE. SO USE. SO, WE ARE LOOKING AT THAT, HOW WE CAN PARTNER TO END OF -- IDENTIFIED THE AGENCIES. WE KNOW MEALS ON WHEELS ARE HOMEBOUND. SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT PLAN. WE ARE STILL WORKING ON WHEN THE STATE WILL SAY YOU ARE APPROVED TO USE JOHNSON & JOHNSON. WE JUST GOT IT YESTERDAY.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR HEATHER AT THIS TIME?

>> THANK YOU. VERY INFORMATIVE. >> I JUST WANTED TO ADD ONE THING. PLEASE REMIND YOUR CITIZENS WE HAVE PLENTY OF APPOINTMENTS.

WE ARE NOT FILLING UP OUR DAYS YET. GO OVER TO OUR WEBSITE AND BOOK

YOUR APPOINTMENT. >> BEFORE YOU GO, I KNOW WE HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THE FAIRGROUNDS, AND IT MAY HAVE AFFECTED PEOPLE GETTING THEIR SHOTS, DID WE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS

WITH BACK WAX. >> WE ARE NOT OPEN ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT ON THE TRAFFIC FLOW, AND COMING UP WITH IDEAS, IF WE GET BACKED UP,

HOW WE CAN REACH OUT TO THE CITIZENS IF NEEDED. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOHN

AT THIS TIME? >> A MESSAGE TO PEOPLE IN TV LAND OVER 65, THE VACCINE IS

AVAILABLE AT THE COUNTY TODAY, AND YOU CAN GET IN RIGHT AWAY. >> MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.

OVER 65. EVERYONE OVER 50, AND THEN WE MESSAGE TODAY, THAT OPENS TO OVER 60. AND THE VULNERABLE MEDICAL PEOPLE CAN MAKE THOSE APPOINTMENTS. WE OPENED UP SO PEOPLE OVER 60, AND THE VULNERABLE POPULATION

CAN COME IN STARTING MONDAY AND TUESDAY? >> ANY OF THE QUESTIONS FOR JOHN AT THIS TIME? I GUESS WE ARE GOOD. I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO THANK YOU JOHN, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FIGHTING THE CURVE. IT DID NOT TURN OUT THAT WAY.

OBVIOUSLY, THROUGH THE TESTING, WE THANK YOU FOR THE EXTRA TIME AND ENERGY YOU PUT INTO IT.

EVERY E-MAIL LIKE IT, IT IS ALWAYS EXTREMELY COMPLEMENTARY TO WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.

WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO THE COUNTY MOWING UPDATES.

[15. County Mowing Update]

WHO WILL HANDLE THAT. >> THIS IS BY PERCENTAGES FROM THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT SPIRIT THE PARTS FACILITY AND PUBLIC WORKS. THE FIRST SLIDE YOU SEE, AND THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT.

THE CURRENT ONE THE NEXT ONE IS THE PARKS, THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT WAS THAT 35%.

>> HERE IS THE PUBLIC WORKS. CURRENTLY THERE IS NO PLAN CHANGES TO THE CONTRACT ANY

QUESTIONS? >> OR MY WHOLE INTENTION OF THIS WAS TO SAY, WE ARE PAYING BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO MOW GRASS. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO THE WORK. I'M NOT TRYING TO CODDLE THE

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EMPLOYEES BUT IT'S NO SECRET THE POPULATION IS EXPANDING, IF WE CAN KEEP THE PEOPLE ON THE PAYROLL THEN HAVE THEM DO OTHER STUFF, LIKE IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE MAINTENANCE, IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD MOVE WHEN I WAS ON THE RAILROAD I DID THIS KIND OF STUFF.

THERE IS SOME STUFF YOU CAN'T CONTRACT OUT BECAUSE THERE IS UNIQUE GRASP CUTTING KIND OF STUFF. IF WE EVER GET IN A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO CUT STAFF, THAT IS ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. IF WE CAN EXTEND THE CONTRACT WHERE WE HAVE AN ADEQUATE SUPPLY, OBVIOUSLY IF WE NEED TO BRING THE WORK BACK AND WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY.

THAT IS WHERE I WAS GOING WITH MY EFFORTS TO DO THIS. I GUESS THIS IS SOMETHING WE

COULD TAKE OFF AND TALK ABOUT. THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? GENE, THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE IT. I GUESS, WE HAVE TIME SO WE MAY

[16. Discussion and decision on Clay County Sheriff's request to modify the original design of the Gun Range (G. Price)]

AS WELL MOVE INTO OLD BUSINESS. THAT MEANS A DISCUSSION AND DECISION ON THE REQUEST TO MODIFY OUR ORIGINAL DECISION FOR THE GUN RANGE. AS WE GET INTO THIS DISCUSSION, I MAY OPEN IT AGAIN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR PEOPLE WHO MAY BE INTERESTED IN TALKING ABOUT IT.

GINA YOU ARE HERE, SO THAT MEANS YOU MAY TAKE THE NEXT TOPIC AS WELL.

>> I AM HERE TO GIVE YOU THE GUN RANGE DECISION BRIEF. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, WE DO HAVE SOME ATTENDINGS IN THE CROWD. HE HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS.

WE ALSO INVITED A FORMER MILITARY MEMBER WHO HAS KNOWLEDGE ABOU COMPETITION STUDENT -- SHOOTING AND WHAT ARE THE POSSIBILITIES AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAD THE SHERIFF COME IN TO PROVIDE YOU INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION GOING FORWARD. HERE'S THE AGENDA.

THIS PRESENTATION AS OPTIONS FOR THE OFFICE. WE WILL GO INTO DISCUSSIONS WE NEED TO DETERMINE THE RANGE WENT. 250 YARDS, TO THE SECOND DECISION POINT IS THE WIDTH, FROM THE CURRENT 20 POSITIONS, 230 POSITIONS.

ON THE THIRD DECISION POINT IT WILL BE SCHEDULING OF THE DUAL USE RANGE.

HOW MANY DAYS DOES THE COUNTY GET. THE OPTION COULD BE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE GET THREE WEEKS MONDAY-FRIDAY AND THE COUNTY ONE WEEKEND THE WEEKEND SPIRIT THAT

IS JUST ONE OPTION TO THROW OUT THERE. >> CURRENTLY, THIS IS THE DESIGN WE HAVE IN PLACE. 250 YARDS AND TARGET POSITIONS. THIS GUN RANGE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. OUR DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES AT THIS.

THEY WORKED WITH THE TEAM AND CAME UP WITH 20 POSITIONS. THIS IS WHAT HE WAS ABLE TO COME UP WITH. I TOOK THIS PROJECT ON LAST YEAR TO KEEP THIS GOING.

THIS RIGHT HERE, THE ESTIMATED COST, THE BIG TAKE AWAY, THESE MEET DAILY REQUIREMENTS.

THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE ESTIMATED COST. IT IS SIX WEEKS UNTIL THE COMPLETION OF THE DESIGN. THIS RANGE RIGHT HERE, WE WANTED TO USE A HYBRID APPROACH.

WE WANTED TO GO OUT AND WITHOUT REDUCING THE RANGELAND. YOU WILL HAVE TO BRING IT BACK BECAUSE THE WET ONES THAT ARE OUT THERE. WE HAVE 200 YARDS AS AN OPTION.

IT IS AN INCREASE COST PER THIS DESIGN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS. THERE WILL BE A CHANGE OF THE WORK ORDER SO WE WILL HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL WEEKS ON THE DESIGN. THEN THEY WILL CHANGE THE COST AND THE ENGINEERS WILL HAVE AN INCREASE FOR THE DESIGN AND WITH THAT ESTIMATED CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THAT IS THE CONCRETE PAVILION THAT WILL BE PLANNED OUT FOR

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CALCULATIONS. FOR THIS IT WILL BE EIGHT WEEKS UNTIL THE DESIGN IS COMPLETE.

HERE, THIS IS THE REQUEST THAT SHERIFF COOK AT THAT WAS FOR 10. THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THE ESTIMATED COST IS THE LOWER ONE. $3.5 MILLION FOR IT DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. THERE WOULD BE A CHANGE IN THE WORK ORDER THIS WOULD BE EIGHT WEEKS FOR DESIGN COMPLETION. THIS SITE RIGHT HERE WAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO GENERATE REVENUE DEPENDING ON THE DECISION OF THE BOARD, THE EVENTS TO BE HELD OUT THERE.

EVERYONE THINKS ABOUT THE SHOOTING TOURNAMENT, WHERE YOU CAN CHARGE PERSONNEL TO COME OUT THERE. WE DO HAVE KIMBERLY HERE WHO CAN SPEAK ON THIS AS NEEDED.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WHEN YOU SAY, ESTIMATED COSTS,

IS THERE A SEALING WAX. >> THE ACCOUNTS ARE TWO FISCAL YEARS THAT I AM WORKING WITH.

I DO NOT HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE NOT BUSED THE CEILING

WITH THOSE ESTIMATES RIGHT NOW. >> I GUESS MY CONCERN IS, MY CONCERN IS VOTING ON SOMETHING THAT IS ESTIMATED WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT CAN GO OUT OF CONTROL.

WE DO HAVE A HISTORY OF THAT. WE HAVE A HISTORY OF THAT AS A COUNTY THAT I CAME INTO.

I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. I AM A LITTLE HESITANT TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT I DON'T KNOW

MUCH IT WILL COST WHEN WE ONLY HAVE A FINITE BUDGET. >> I THINK AFTER WE DO THE FINAL

ENGINEERING WE WILL HAVE A COST BEFORE WE AUTHORIZE IT. >> IT IS A DESIGN AND BUILD.

IS THAT RIGHT? >> IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BID OUT ONCE WE GET THE PLAN SPIRIT OBVIOUSLY, IT IS AN ESTIMATE. I THINK THERE ARE WAYS FOR US TO MITIGATE COSTS AS WE CAN INTO THIS. THERE COULD BE HELP FROM, VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE HAVE NOT COUNTED ON YET. GRANTS THAT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOUR NOT PUTTING EVERYTHING OUT THERE THAT WE NEED. WE CAN GROW INTO CERTAIN THINGS. I THINK THERE ARE SOME SHORTCUTS AND THINGS WE CAN DO, TO MAKE SURE WE DO NOT GO OVER. THAT WOULD BE THE ORDER AND SOMETHING JEAN WOULD HAVE TO LIVE WITH. ONCE WE DECIDE ON THE DESIGN, WE

ARE NOT CHANGING IT. >> ONCE WE GET THE DESIGN DONE WE WILL GO OUT TO BID.

AT THAT POINT WE WILL KNOW WHAT THE BID IS, THEN WE WILL HAVE A REAL NUMBER.

>> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> THIS IS A DECISION THAT WE HAVE MONEY ALLOCATED TO THAT.

WE WILL WORK WITH THE ENGINEERS AND HAVE A CLEAR ESTIMATE BEFORE IT GOES OUT.

>> SO YOU ARE TELLING ME, IT WILL COST, JUST ON THE FIRST ONE, $3.8 MILLION, JUST TO

DESIGN IT? >> SO WE ARE VOTING ON A TOTAL COST SPIRIT THAT IS WHAT WE ARE VOTING ON. ONCE IT IS VOTED AND ACCEPTED, IF IT IS ESTIMATED AT THAT, THEY ARE NOT SPENDING LESS, NO ONE BIDS AND SPENDS LESS, THAT IS MY CONCERN.

WITH THE ESTIMATE. >> THE BOAT IS TO DESIGN IT. >> IT WILL INCREASE CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THAT IS A REAL NUMBER, IF IT IS BUILT.

THE CHANGE TO THE DESIGN WOULD BE THE INCREASE FOR OPTION 2-3 THAT WILL INCREASE THE DESIGN COST. AS YOU EXPLAINED IT TO ME, THE DESIGN COST IS INCLUDED WHETHER

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IT IS THE 3.5 MILLION OR 3.9 MILLION, ESSENTIALLY IT IS NOT ON TOP, WE WILL TAKE THE TARGET POSITION. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL COST FOR A NEW DESIGN

AND CONSTRUCTION BUT THAT IS ALREADY COVERED. >> OVERALL, YES.

>> SO NO ADDITIONAL COST, THAT IS ALREADY INCLUDED. >> I THINK IT IS CONFUSING

BECAUSE IT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THE 3.5. >> I'M SORRY, THE MICROPHONE.

WITH LOOKING AT THIS, WE BUDGET OUT IN THE 1920 FISCAL YEAR THE COST OF THE DESIGN IS THERE.

I THINK THE COST RIGHT NOW, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, 180,000 OR SO, THEN WE HAD, IN MULTIPLE YEARS FROM THIS TIME, WHEN YOU ADD UP FOR GUN RANGES, THE AMOUNT IS $614 MILLION THAT IS THERE. SO, I THINK IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE CEILING,

THAT IS THE CEILING FOR THE TOTAL COST. >> IF I GET IT.

BUT HERE IS MY THING, DON'T THINK I DON'T SUPPORT A GUN RANGE OR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THIS IS GOING BACK TO THE OVERALL PICTURE. WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A WORKSHOP. THREE COMMISSIONERS ON HERE DID NOT VOTE ON THIS.

I HIGHLY RESPECT THEM. BUT, I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, TO COMMIT, $6 MILLION TO A GUN RANGE WHEN FOR INSTANCE, I CAME ONTO THE COMMISSION AND A FEW WEEKS LATER, WHERE WE HAVE REAL ISSUES OF SAFETY, OF WATER LEAKING INTO DIFFERENT AREAS, I GUESS THAT IS ONE EXAMPLE, BUT I FEEL VERY UNCOMFORTABLE, TO COMMIT. I FEEL LIKE, WITH THESE THREE OPTIONS, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. SO, REALLY, WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, IS WE COULD GO FROM THE FLOOR IS REALLY $3.5 MILLION IF WE ACCEPTED THAT DESIGN UP TO THE 6.6 MILLION. THIS COULD SPIRAL OUT OF CONTROL.

IS THERE A 6 MILLION-DOLLAR GUN RANGE IN THE ENTIRE STATE COLLECTS IT COULD BECOME THE TAJ MAHAL, THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE THAT WE BUILD AND WE HAVE OTHER REAL ISSUES TO ADDRESS EVEN IN OUR OWN SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THAT IS WHY I WAS ASKING THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION.

I DO WANT TO HEAR WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY ON THE ISSUE AND HEAR THE DISCUSSION.

BUT WITH THE WORD ESTIMATED, IT MAKES ME VERY NERVOUS FROM A PHYSICAL STANDPOINT.

>> CAN I ASK THE QUESTION IN A DIFFERENT MANNER. WE APPROVED ONE OF THESE OPTIONS TONIGHT, AND WE DO THE DESIGN PHASE AND THEY COME UP WITH A PROJECT, WHAT OPTIONS DO WE

HAVE? >> WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE IF THE FUNDS ARE THERE.

>> DO WE HAVE THE OPTION TO BACK OUT OF THIS? WE CANNOT GO OUT TO BID --

>> I WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. THAT DECISION POINT WILL COME UP HERE RIGHT NOW THE DECISION IS FOR DESIGN. IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CHANGES, IF IT'S BROUGHT TO THE BOARD, LET'S JUST SAY, THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE ESTIMATING THE BIDDING COST TO BE. LED SAY IT COMES BACK AND IT IS $10 MILLION.

PULL ONE OUT THAT IS HIGHER, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE DECISION OF THE BOARD TO SAY NO.

OUR LOSS BEFORE IT IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT SO WE HAVE A DESIGN ON THE SHOW FOR A GUN RANGE THAT WE DID NOT MOVE FORWARD ON. I THINK THE COST ARE ESTIMATED AND I FULLY RESPECT THAT, THE

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BOARD DOES HAVE ANOTHER DECISION-MAKING PROCESS COMING FORWARD.

>> THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE SEE IT WILL BE MORE THAN WHAT WE WANT TO SPEND THERE MAY BE THINGS WE WILL DO TO MITIGATE THE COST. SO, WE ARE NOT MAKING A DECISION BASED ON THAT SPECIFIC ESTIMATE. I THINK, IT HAS BEEN PUT TOGETHER AND PRESENTED SO WE HAVE A ROUGH IDEA BUT YOU NEVER KNOW UNTIL YOU BID SOMETHING OUT WHAT THE COST WILL BE.

WHETHER THAT IS FOR NEPTUNE PARK WHICH CAME IN CHEAPER THAN WE THOUGHT AT THE TIME, OR OTHER THINGS, THE WAY BUILDING COSTS ARE GOING UP IT COULD BE MORE. MOST OF WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT

ARE THESE THINGS. WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. >> THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE JAIL.

WE ARE USING THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR CARES ACT MONEY TO REINVEST IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE JAIL. AT THE SAME TIME WILL WE HAVE OCCURRING, OUR MEMBERS, SWORN DEPUTIES AND CORRECTIONS, WHO BY LAW HAVE TO QUALIFY, WE ARE SENDING THEM ONE HOUR OUT OF TOWN EVERY TIME THEY SHOOT. WHEN WE GET THERE WE'RE HOPING THE RANGES AVAILABLE.

THERE ARE MANY TIMES WE HAVE SET UP TO QUALIFY AND WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE CAN'T USE THE RANGE.

THIS INVESTMENT IN A RANGE WILL SAVE TAXPAYER DOLLARS BECAUSE WE WON'T SEND OUR MEMBERS OUT TO QUALIFY. RIGHT NOW, WE QUALIFY AT THE BARE MINIMUM.

WE HAVE HAD AN AMBUSH OF DEPUTIES CALL OUT FOR A MURDER SUSPECT.

THE TIMING IS ON POINT, WE ARE BIG ENOUGH NOW. I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH JEAN ON THE DESIGN AND I'VE MADE IT CLEAR TO THEM, THIS WILL NOT BE A TAJ MAHAL.

WE DON'T NEED THAT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO SHOOT. WE JUST NEED THE BASICS.

AS LONG AS IT MEETS SPECIFICATIONS, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING ELSE.

THE ONLY LIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUT THERE IS A BATHROOM. THE REST, NOTHING EXTRA.

>> ANY DIFFERENCES? >> NOT FROM A RANGE SAFETY PERSPECTIVE BUT FROM A CLASS SIZE PERSPECTIVE, TO ANY IS SMALL FOR A CLASS SIZE AND WE ARE GROWING.

WE CAN ALREADY USE 30 SPACES. AT SOME POINT WE COULD USE 50. THIRTY WILL, HOLD US FOR THE

NEXT 4-5 YEARS. >> THANK YOU. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, I KNOW YOU WILL STAY IN WE WILL PROBABLY : YOUTUBE COMMENT TO COMMENT AS WE GET

CLOSER TO A DECISION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM TOURISM IF WE COULD.

THE COMMISSIONER REQUESTED TOURISM. MY OWN THOUGHTS ON THAT.

>> SO, AT THE LAST MEETING, THE COUNTY MANAGER SUGGESTED YOU WOULD DO A STUDY TO SEE IF THERE

WAS ANY APPLICATIONS FOR THE GUN RANGE THAT WE COULD DO. >> THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS AVAILABLE. TOURISM IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE, IF THERE IS SPACE AVAILABLE, RIGHT NOW, THE PANDEMIC HAS BEEN A PERFECT EXAMPLE.

WE ARE GETTING CREATIVE IN HOW WE USE THE UNIQUE SPACES. ON THIS SLIDE, WE HAVE PUT IN A BID FOR THE ARCHERY COMPETITION. THE OLYMPIC TEAM, AND WE INCLUDED IN THE BID THE FAIRGROUND SPIRIT BUT IF THERE IS ANOTHER SPACE THAT MAY BE SUITABLE, WE WILL INCLUDE THAT AS WELL. IF THE SPACES THERE, WE WILL SELL IT.

IF THAT IS THE DIRECTIVE YOU GIVE US. IF THE SPACE IS NOT AVAILABLE, THAT IS NOT AN OPTION WE WILL PRESENT TO ANY GROUP THAT IS AVAILABLE.

THERE ARE A WIDE VARIETY OF UNIQUE SPORTS, WHETHER THAT IS ADVENTURE COMPETITIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE BOX, AND NEW TO THE SPORTS MARKETING AND SPORTS COMPETITIONS, I DON'T KNOW THAT

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WE WANT PAINTBALL, THERE IS A MARKET FOR THAT, THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT MARKET SEGMENTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE. WE JUST HAVE TO DRILL DOWN MORE, TO SEE IF IT IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE VENUES WE HAVE AND IF IT IS OUR BRAND.

>> I AM LOOKING AT THIS. MY VIEW IS, THIS IS A SHOOTING PARK THAT WE WILL MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT ALL ON A PRIORITY BASIS. I THINK THE CITIZENS CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS WITH SUCH A FACILITY IF WE DO THIS) I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PLAN AHEAD FOR ANY POSSIBLE USES THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT WE HAVEN'T REALLY LOOKED AT YET.

LIKE MAY BE THOSE SHOOTING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

>> THERE ARE SEVERAL OUT THERE WITH NRA, WITH DIFFERENT SKEET SHOOTING COMPETITIONS.

THERE ARE, NUMEROUS OPPORTUNITIES. EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT HAVE THEIR

OWN COMPETITIONS. >> I CAN SEE THAT IN MAYBE 5-10 YEARS WE CAN HAVE A BREAKEVEN OPERATION. AT LEAST, IF WE DO THIS RIGHT. THAT IS WHERE I AM COMING FROM.

JEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THE SHOOTING COMPETITIONS?

>> I DO NOT HAVE TOO MUCH MORE TO OFFER. WE DO HAVE FACILITIES FOR THE SHARES REQUIREMENTS, AND NOT ENGINEERING LIMITATIONS. SPECIFICALLY, THIS RANGE, IS THERE A CATEGORY THAT WE WOULD LOSE IF WE WOULD GO WITH THE SHORTER RANGE?

>> NOT 50 YARDS. WHEN YOU GO FROM 200-100 YOU COULD LOSE SOME OPTIONS.

>> HE HAS A GREAT BACKGROUND IN THAT AREA. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION ON THE DESIGN. I DID GO BACK AND WATCH SOME OF THE MEETINGS.

BUT, I GUESS, I KNOW ONE OF THE CONCERNS WAS THE DIRECTION BACK THE RANGE WAS FACING.

WAS THAT CHANGE? >> IT WAS ROTATING NORTH AND SOUTH, IT WAS TURNED A LITTLE

SIDEWAYS. >> I AM REALLY, UNCOMFORTABLE, TO NOT BE ABLE TO KNOW, WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY. I GUESS, BECAUSE I KNOW MY SON HAS A FRIEND WHO SHOOTS AND RIFLE COMPETITIONS ANY SHOOTS FROM 1,000 YARDS, AND HE PAYS A LOT OF MONEY TO DO THE COMPETITION SO, I THINK THAT WAS SOMETHING MS. MORGAN WAS TALKING ABOUT. IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE ON THE PROPERTY THAT CAN BE BUILT AWAY

FROM THE RANGE, IS THERE ENOUGH LAND THERE ON THE PROPERTY. >> WE LOOK AT THIS LIKE A PHASED APPROACH. THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR THEIR OWN RANGE AND THEN GET TO THEIR OWN. THAT IS WHERE THE PUBLIC PEACE COMES IN.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE 1,000 YARDS, I THINK 450 IS WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO POSSIBLY GET BUT WE ARE

WAITING ON DECISIONS TO GO FORWARD. >> I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN HERE.

I KNOW THE COMMISSIONER HAS BEEN STRONG ON THE ADDITIONAL USES FOR THE GUN PARK AND I DON'T THINK ANYONE COULD ACCUSE ME OF NOT BEING IN FAVOR OF EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TOURIST RELATED.

BUT LET'S GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING. WE BROUGHT -- BOUGHT THE PROPERTY AND WE WANTED TO QUALIFY THE DEPUTIES. THE IDEA, THE GOVERNMENT RAN FACILITY, WILL MAKE MONEY IN 4-5 YEARS, IS UNBELIEVABLE TO ME. THE GOVERNMENT NEVER MAKES MONEY

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ON ANY FACILITY. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S INVOLVED IN THE SHOOTING COMPETITIONS. ST. JOHN HAS A FACILITY AND OTHER PEOPLE OF OTHER FACILITIES AND TO THINK WE WILL SWEETTALK SOMEONE TO COME INTO USE OUR FACILITY BECAUSE WE BUILT IT IS NOT REALISTIC. I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO BASICS.

WE NEED A GUN RANGE FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SO THEY CAN QUALIFY THE DEPUTIES.

IF THEY CAN UTILIZE THAT, SO THEY CAN BRUSH UP ON THEIR SKILLS AND MAYBE HAVE SOME GUN LESSONS, AND DEFRAY THE COSTS BY HAVING CITIZENS UTILIZE IT I THINK WE ARE AHEAD OF THE GAME.

FOR US TO THINK WE ARE COMPETING WITH THOSE SHOOTING RANGES THAT ARE ATTRACTING THESE BIG EVENTS, I DON'T SEE THAT. AND IF WE WANT TO GO THAT WAY, I WOULD HAVE TO SIT HERE AND ASKED FOR A MARKET STUDY SO WE CAN SEE WHETHER OR NOT, IF WE CAN BRING THOSE IN AND WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO GET THAT IN HERE. SO THIS IS LITTLE OLD CLAY COUNTY.

WE HEARD FROM THE CHIEF AND ALL I NEED IS A STICK AND A TARGET SO THEY CAN QUALIFY.

NOT THAT WE HAVE TOO THAT CHEAP. >> THAT IS WHY IJAZ THE QUESTION ABOUT THE THREE AND HALF MILLION

DOLLARS. I FULLY SUPPORT -- >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING THE GUN RANGE AND IF WE SOLVE THE DOMAIN FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WAS GROWING TO A POINT WHERE WE COULD SUPPORT THAT WE WOULD BUILD A SECOND ONE SO WE COULD TURN THE OTHER GUN

RANGE INTO SOMETHING MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT BASED. >> A LOT OF MY DISTRICT IS GONE

OWNERS. >> THEY DON'T NEED A GUN RANGE, BUT THEY WANTED.

>> WE COULD SPEND $6 MILLION, I AM TARRED AND FEATHERED. WE COULD SPEND $6 MILLION OF TAXPAYER MONEY TO BUILD A GUN RNGE THAT PEOPLE CANNOT GO AND USE WHEN THEY HAVE TO DRIVE ON ROADS THAT ARE IN SUBSTANDARD CONDITIONS AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT PLAY INTO THIS.

I GUESS I FEEL LIKE, BECAUSE I APPRECIATE WHAT THE CHIEF SAYS AND I SUPPORT WHAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS TOLD US. WE JUST NEED THE BASICS. WE JUST NEED THE BASICS.

I JUST FEEL LIKE, IF WE SAY YES, AND IT IS A THREE AND HALF MILLION DOLLAR COST ESTIMATE, HE IS NOT OFF. IT WILL COST THAT MORE -- THAT MUCH OR MORE.

THAT IS MY CONCERN. I GUESS I DO NOT FEEL LIKE THERE IS AN OVERALL USE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DEMAND IS THERE FROM OUR CITIZENS THAT WANT SOMEWHERE TO GO AND SHOOT.

I WANT THEM YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A ROUGH WEEK. WE ARE THANKFUL FOR ALL OF YOU AND THE WORK THAT YOU DO, BUT THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY. WE HAVE SPENT $180,000, JUST ON A DESIGN. I, THAT'S A LOT OF DIRT I HAVE PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT WHO SELL DIRT BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS THE RIGHT USE OF TAXPAYERS DOLLARS PER I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE OVERALL PICTURE. I CAN'T MAKE THIS MAP WORK THE BOARD NEEDS TO DECIDE WHETHER IT IS A NECESSITY AND YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE IF PUBLIC SAFETY IS IMPORTANT.

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>> ANOTHER QUESTION, SO, WHO DECIDED ON THE DESIGN? WHO DECIDED, THE BARNES WOULD BE

THIS HIGH? >> THIS STARTED UNDER THE PREVIOUS SHARE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

>> WHERE IT SAYS, MEETS FDL REQUIREMENTS DOES IT EXCEED THE REQUIREMENTS LIKE THE HEIGHT?

>> I CAN GET THE ENGINEER APPEARED TO ANSWER THAT. THE LIGHTING IS A REQUIREMENT WHEN SOME OTHER BULLET POINTS. THE POINT IS WHAT ARE YOU GETTING WITH THE DESIGN.

THE ENGINEERS DID THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. YOU GETTING A PARKING LOT AND A PAVED ROAD, THAT IS NOT EMPTY REQUIREMENTS. THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN

CHIP AWAY WITH. >> I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY THAT STUFF I THINK THEY DESERVE IT BUT I QUESTION, THAT WE ARE SPENDING THIS MONEY, WHEN WE ARE NOT HAD OUR CIP WORKSHOP.

WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THE USE OF THEIR. UNDERSTAND THIS STARTED UNDER A PREVIOUS COMMISSION AND I UNDERSTAND THE URGENCY OF THE NEED AND I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT BUT IT IS A LOT OF MONEY AND VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ESTIMATED AND THE CEILING OF

TWICE AS MUCH MONEY. >> I AGREE. THIS WAS BOB FOR A GUN RANGE, THEY HAVE TO HAVE IT. WE TALK ABOUT $14 MILLION, WHAT IS THE LOW RANGE.

IF I HAVE SOMEONE COME TO MY HOUSE THAT HAS A GUN, AND THEY ARE JUDY AT THE POLICE I WANT LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINED PROPERLY. WERE ONLY AGREEING ON THE CHANGE OF DESIGN. RIGHT NOW WE NEED TO DECIDE ON THIS AND THE FACTS ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT NEEDS THE GUN RANGE. WE HAVE 220,000 PEOPLE IN THE POPULATION RIGHT NOW THEY NEED A

FACILITY. >> >> THAT IS A SHOOTING PARK NOT A

SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT -- >> I THINK IT IS VALUABLE TO KNOW THAT WHAT OTHER SHERIFF'S

OFFICE HAVE SPENT ON THEIR GUN RANGES. >> WE DON'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE

OF AMOUNTS IN GUN RANGES. >> WE CAN COME BACK LATER THIS IS FOR DESIGN.

>> COMMISSIONER I TAKE OPEN STACK I DON'T BELIEVE IN PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE I AM CONCERNED

ABOUT TAXPAYER DOLLARS. >> WE ALSO BUY A LOT OF POLICE CARS WITH THE MONEY, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS YOU BY KNOWING IT WILL HELP YOU IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY REALM.

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EVERYTHING CAN BE WORKED ON AFTER-THE-FACT. EITHER WE MAKE A COMMITMENT TO DO A GUN RANGE OR NOT. I FIND IT HUMOROUS THAT I AM DEFENDING THE GUN RANGE BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT I DIDN'T WANT IT, BUT LISTENING TO THE DEPUTIES, HEARD THEM SAY, THEY NEEDED SOMEPLACE TO QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING SHUT OUT AT OTHER PLACES.

>> THE FEELING SHOULD BE $3.8 MILLION, NOT THE SIX-POINT WHATEVER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT IS WHAT I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE TO VOTE ON. I SERVED ON ANOTHER BOARD AND I WAS NEVER ASKED TO VOTE ON AN ESTIMATE. MY HUSBAND BUILDS FURNITURE AND TO SAY A CEILING FOR THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. I WILL BE MY OPINION.

>> THAT'S NOT TYPICAL. >> WE HAVE CONTRACTORS WHO HAVE HAD CHANGE ORDERS THAT GET SWEPT UNDER THE RUG. GO BACK AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS.

THE BUDGET DOCUMENTS. GO BACK AND READ SOME OF THESE CONTRACTOR NAMES.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PICK. >> I DON'T KNOW OF THE CHANGE ORDERS.

WE HAVEN'T HAD THEM, BUT IN TERMS OF THE BIGGER PROJECTS, I HAVE NOT SEEN THE CHANGE ORDERS.

HERE'S THE THING, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WE ARE WITHIN 10% OF GETTING THE DESIGN WE DECIDE ON

GETTING COMPLETED. >> WE DECIDED TO SEND IT OUT AND WE HAVE ANOTHER CHOICE AS TO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A DESIGN AND BUILD IT. THAT IS BASED ON HOW MUCH IT

WILL COST. >> THE ALTERNATIVE IS CAP SO LONG BUT WHEN AND BENCHMARKS WE CAN SAY NO, IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE IT. IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN HAVE AN NRA GRANT BUT WE CAN'T DO THAT UNLESS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A DESIGN AND HOW IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT IT WILL CAUSE. IF IT IS TOO MUCH, WE PUT IT ON THE SHELF OR WE GET AGGRESSIVE WITH MAKING SURE WE CAN BUILD IT AND REBUILD IT FOR WHATEVER IT IS BID ON.

THAT IS UP TO THE CONTRACTOR. ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A DESIGN THAT WE ARE HAPPY WITH.

>> I WAS HERE A LONG TIME AGO WHEN THIS STARTED. IT WAS PROPOSED BY THE SHERIFF.

AT THAT POINT THE FBI WAS INTERESTED IN THROWING $2 MILLION AT THIS.

THE FLORIDA GAME, WOULD HAVE MORE MONEY. STEPHANIE WAS THE ACCOUNTING MANAGER. SHE BROUGHT THIS UP TO US. I'VE VOTED ON IT ONLY IF THERE WAS A PUBLIC COMPONENT THAT WE COULD ALLOW THE PUBLIC IN THERE TO USE THIS RANGE BECAUSE IT IS EXPENSIVE. AT THAT TIME DOES SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS GOING OUT TO DO THEIR QUALIFYING. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST, IT WAS NOT MUCH.

IT WAS NOT ENOUGH TO JUSTIFY SPENDING THAT KIND OF MONEY. IS IT A GOOD YEAH, BUT IF I HAD TO PAY FOR IT OUT OF MY POCKET WHEN IT MAKES SENSE? NO I DON'T KNOW. IF THE FBI WAS INVOLVED, MAY BE A GOOD IDEA.

WE HAVE FOOLED AROUND WITH THIS LONG ENOUGH THAT THE SECOND SHERIFF, DECIDED HE DID NOT WANT THE FBI ON HIS TURF SO THE FBI GOT THE GOLDEN GUN RANGE. DO WE NEED ONE? I THINK THE PUBLIC IS WHERE I AM COMING FROM. THE PUBLIC WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THIS AS A PARK. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT SHOULD HAVE PRIORITY ACCESS TO USE IT WHENEVER THEY NEED TO HAVE IT. CAN WE BUILD IT FOR $3 MILLION, WE DON'T KNOW.

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THE ONLY THING WE KNOW FOR SURE IS THE ENGINEERING PEOPLE WILL DO A DESIGN FOR US, FOR WHATEVER THE MONEY IS. THAT IS REALLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

IF IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN AFFORD, WE WILL ACCEPT THE BID OR CUT SOMETHING OUT OF IT.

WILL THIS SUPPORT ITSELF OUT OF THE BOX, WHO KNOWS. CAN WE GET THE CONSTITUENTS TO LEARN HOW TO SHOOT BETTER THERE TOO, YES. THOSE ARE THE THINGS I AM LOOKING AT. I GUESS THAT IS THE STREET BEHIND IT.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST, WE NEED TO HAVE A PUBLIC PIECE OF THIS. THAT IS MY -- I DO NOT DISAGREE.

>> CAN WE START CHEAPE, MAY BE. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP AS MANY OPTIONS OPEN AS WE CAN.

>> I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET RID OF THE TERM ESTIMATE, BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS.

WHO GAVE US THE ESTIMATES? >> THE ENGINEERS. THEY ARE IN THE AUDIENCE.

HOW CONFIDENT ARE THEY THAT THE ESTIMATES ARE REAL? >> WE CAN GET THEM UP AND ASKED

THEM. >> THAT IS MY POINT. THESE ARE ESTIMATES AND WE HAVE NO IDEA. THEY HAVE NO IDEA, WHAT THE ACTUAL BUILDING COSTS WILL BE IN A YEAR FROM NOW, BUT THEY HAVE A BETTER ESTIMATE THAN I WOULD HAVE.

THE ESTIMATE ON THE FIRST PROJECT. >> THE FIRST ESTIMATE IS BUILT ON A SET OF PLANS. ALSO WHAT I DID, I HAD IT REVIEWED BY A CONTRACTOR.

THE CONTRACTOR TOLD ME SOME BUILDING COSTS ARE GOING UP ASTRONOMICALLY, BUT THOSE ARE SUPPLIES LIKE TIMBER. HE SAID THE ASPHALT, IS GOING UP SLIGHTLY.

I PUT A 25% CONTINGENCY IN THE ESTIMATE TO COVER THE UNKNOWNS. I AM CONFIDENT IN THE FIRST ASSESSMENT AS BEST WE CAN DO. AS YOU KNOW, FROM ESTIMATING, THE MORE CONTINGENCY ITEMS YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THERE. YOU CAN SIT DOWN WITH A CONTRACTOR GET A PRICE, THAT IS HOW YOU GET THERE. THE EARLY ESTIMATES ARE APPROXIMATE.

YES IT IS AN ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, THAT IS THE BEST WE CAN DO.

ONE SAVING FACTOR, WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT SHOWS US ONE SITE HAS GOOD THIRD-PERIOD WE DO NOT HAVE TO BUY DIRT OFF-SITE. THAT IS CONTROLLED. THAT IS THE CONTRACTOR PUTTING IT IN AND LEVELING THE SITE. THE SITE HAS A LOT OF WORK. IT IS HILLY.

IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE PERFECTLY LEVEL BUT IT CAN ONLY BE 3 DEGREES UP OR DOWN, TO STAND AND QUALIFIED. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT IS AN ESTIMATE.

I'M CONFIDENT ON THE FIRST ONE. THE OTHER ONES ARE ADJUSTED BASED ON PRELIMINARY PLANS JUST

CHANGING THE CONTENT. >> DID WE DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL SURVEY COLLECTS.

>> YES, THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADJUSTED. IT SEEMS TO BE.

>> YOU PROBABLY HAVE MORE THAN THAT. KNOWING THAT THE PROPERTY IS

WHERE IT IS. >> IF WE DIG UP THE DIRT AND WE FIND OLD TIRES FOR INSTANCE,

THEN IT'S NOT REALLY DIRT UNDER THERE. >> THAT IS AN UNKNOWN WE DON'T KNOW. IT WAS A FARM WHEN THE COUNTY BOUGHT IT.

THERE COULD BE DEBRIS THERE. MOST OF IT IS CLEARED, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> YOU CANNOT GET AWAY FROM THE TERM ESTIMATE. >> AND EXTRICATED -- AN EDUCATED ESTIMATE. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSALS HERE.

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I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SELECT ONE OF THEM. >> I HAVE A QUESTION I WANTED TO

ASK THE SHERIFF. >> SINCE WE HAVE PRETTY MUCH, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT WE NEED TO ARRANGE THIS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE ARE BEING ASKED TO MAKE THREE DECISIONS, SO THE FIRST ONE IS ON RANGER AND WE HAVE THE CHOICE IS UP 250 YARDS, 200 YARDS OR

100 YARDS, WHAT WOULD BE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE PREFERENCE? >> THE 200-250.

>> WE COULD USE 100 BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE COUNTY, THEY COULD GET PEOPLE THERE WITH A LARGER RANGE, I THINK 250 IS TOO LONG, WHEN WE QUALIFIED, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE COMMANDS FROM THE BACK, IT IS DIFFICULT WHEN EVERYONE IS WAY UP THERE BUT I CAN MEET IN THE MIDDLE ON THE

MIDDLE NUMBER WITH THAT. >> I THOUGHT YOU SAID FOR QUESTION TWO, 30 TARGET POSITION

IS YOUR IDEAL WOULD BE 50. >> 30 WILL WORK FOR US. >> 50 WAS NOT ONE OF OUR

CHOICES. >> THE REALITY OF THE SPACE IS 50 WOULD NOT WORK.

THE COUNTY DID A GREAT JOB I SAID CAN YOU SQUEEZE OUT AS MANY AS YOU CAN AND THEY SAID 30.

>> WHAT WAS YOUR PREFERENCE ON ITEM NUMBER THREE WHICH WAS SCHEDULING A TOOL USE RANGE, IF WE ARE ONLY VOTING ON THE PLANS? IF WE WERE TO -- TALKING WITH THE TEAM, WHEN WE SAY THIS LET ME BE CLEAR, ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY WOULD BE ALLOWED TO QUALIFY.

THEY WOULD BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COMMENT QUALIFY. QUALIFYING IS THE BARE MINIMUM.

WHAT YOU WANTED YOUR PEOPLE SHOOTING WITH MORE PRACTICE, THE NUMBERS THAT THE POLICE HAVE, WE THINK WE CAN GET ALL OF THE PEOPLE THROUGH REASONABLY. SO, THREE WEEKS US, AND THE

WEEKENDS, THE COUNTY CAN HAVE IT. >> HOLD ON.

>> WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT OTHER AGENCIES USING ERIC, DO THEY PAPER THAT COLLECTS.

>> EVERYONE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT, MONEY IS TIGHT. AS A LARGE AGENCY IN THE COUNTY, GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHOOT. GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY, WOULD BE GREAT AND AGAIN IT ALLOWS THE DEPUTIES TO COME TOGETHER.

>> CAN WE KEEP THE LEAD? >> THE BRASS? >> THE BRASS OR THE LEAD.

>> I ASSUME YOU WILL TAKE THE GRASS. WE WILL HAVE TO KEEP THE LEAD

BECAUSE IT IS IN THE DIRT. WE WOULD NOT CHARGE? >> WE WENT DOWN THAT ROUTE BEFORE, AT ANOTHER RANGE I MANAGED, EVERYONE IS STRUGGLING FOR BUDGETS AND THE BENEFIT OF ALLOWING THIS OUTWEIGHS THE MONEY WE COULD MAKE. THE PERSON WOULD HAVE TO BRING THEIR OWN AMMUNITION AND TARGETS. THEY WOULD LITERALLY USE THE SPACE. YOU HAVE TO QUALIFY QUICKSAND WE HAVE TO QUALIFY ONCE PER YEAR AND AGAIN, WITH A GROWING COUNTY, AND ALL OF THE LIABILITY WHEN SOMEONE DRAWS A WEAPON AND PULLS THE TRIGGER, WE MEET UP BARE MINIMUMS RIGHT NOW AND WE NEED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT.

>> THAT IS TYPICALLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, DO THEY CHARGE US THEY DON'T BUT ANCIENT CITY

DOES. >> ARE BOTH OF THOSE OUTDOOR VENUES?

>> YES. >> THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES SCHEDULING.

IF WE TELL THE DEPUTIES, TOMORROW, WE NEED YOU TO DRIVE OUT AND BRING YOUR RIFLE AND

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HANDGUN, WE LOAD UP OUR AMMUNITION AND I WERE IN A TRAILER, WE HAVE TO HAVE INSTRUCTORS ON SITE, SO THE WHOLE GROUP GOES OUT THERE, WE GET THERE AND WE ARE TOLD WE CANNOT USE IT OR THEY DID NOT FINISH YESTERDAY SO YOU GUYS CANNOT USE IT UNTIL TOMORROW.

WHEN WE HAVE OPERATIONAL NEEDS ON THE STREET, THAT GIRLS A WHOLE WRENCH INTO THE SYSTEM.

WHEN WE HAVE DAYS THAT ARE OUR DAYS, THEN WE ARE NOT MISSING A BEAT, BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO

GET THEM QUALIFIED BY GOING OUT. >> YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT COST COLLECTS.

>> TO HEDGIE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF? >> CAN WE GET WILL APPEAR? WE DELIVERED GENTLEMEN WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE SHOOTING RANGE.

>> GIVE US AN IDEA IN TERMS OF, IF WE HAVE ARRANGE, MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD START, WHAT IS

YOUR THOUGHT ON WHAT SIZE WE SHOULD GO WITH. >> I LIKE THE 250 YARDS IN THE 30 POSITIONS. IF YOU HAVE 250 YARDS, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE THEIR EARLIER SLIDE, AND IT SHOWS THE PAVILION AND THE PARKING LOT AND BATHROOMS, THEN YOU SEE THE SIDEBURNS, ALL OF THAT STRUCTURE WILL BE BUILT WITH A LONGER SIDE, IT WON'T AFFECT THE BACK.

THAT WILL BE THE SAME. THE SIDE WILL BE LENGTHENED BUT THE PARKING AREA, ALL OF THAT WILL REMAIN THE SAME, ONE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS, NOT ENGINEERING THIS BECAUSE AT 250 YARDS, YOU CAN SHOOT AT 100, YOU CAN SHOOT AT 175 OR 200 YARDS. WHAT YOU HAVE HAS BEEN LIMITED TO 100 YARDS. THERE IS NOT A WAY TO PROJECT BACK AT A LONGER DISTANCE.

THERE'S A LOT OF 100-YARD RANGES. MANY 100-YARD FACILITIES, TO ATTRACT OTHER AGENCIES, THE LONGER-RANGE WILL DO THAT. THERE IS AN OLD MYTH ABOUT 70- 100 YARDS THAT SUPPOSEDLY THE FBI SAYS, THE RANGE THAT YOU WOULD 0 YOUR SNIPERS OUT.

IT REALLY IS A MYTH. THERE ISN'T A HARD FAST NUMBER. THE MORTGAGE IS 189 YARDS.

WHEN YOU CONSIDER PEERS CITY SITUATIONS, YOU WILL HAVE A SET UP AT THE FRONT CURB, OF A RESIDENCE, THE TARGET RESIDENCE, IT WILL BE 25-75 YARDS AWAY. THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU FIND IN A RURAL ENVIRONMENT. THE BACK WILL BE LONGER IN A RURAL SITUATION YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO WE ARE ALL THINKING ABOUT HUMAN TARGETS. THAT IS NOT EVERYTHING A SNIPER CAN DO TO BE HELPFUL. THE SNIPER CAN TAKE OUT THE TIRES OR THE ENGINE OF THE VEHICLE AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY THAT THEY WILL JUMP IN THE VEHICLE AND TAKE OFF WITH A HOSTAGE OR WHATEVER. IF YOU DISABLED THE WATER COMING INTO A HOME, WHERE SOMEONE MAY BE. TYPICALLY THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT, IS NOT LIKE YOU WILL PUT PEOPLE OUT TO BE SHOT AT, IT WILL BE DOWN THE STREET, IT WILL DENY EVERYONE IN THE AREA WHERE

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A SNIPER CAN TAKE A SHOT AND DISABLE TO A HOME LIKE THAT. THERE'S A LOT MORE TO IT.

>> SO, WE DO THIS AND WHAT CAN WE EXPECT, IF WE WERE TO MARKET THAT TO BRING SOMEONE IN.

>> COMPETITION SHOOTING. THE SHORTEST DISTANCE IS 200 YARDS FOR HIGH-POWER.

IN THIS KIND OF ANY EVENT. RIFLE SHOOTING STARTS AS SHORT AS 10 METERS WHICH IS 33 FEET.

EVERY SUMMER GAMES IN THE OLYMPICS, ALL OF THE SCHOOLS HAVE GONE TO THAT.

ALL OF THE JUNIOR ROTC HAS GONE TO THAT. AT 200 YARDS, YOU ARE GETTING THEIR ATTENTION. AT 200 YARDS, THERE IS NO INTEREST.

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A TRAVELING EVENT AND WE SHOOT IN QUANTICO, AND AROUND FLORIDA, WE HAVE THE AREAS AND THIS IS JUST TO LIST OF YOUR FACILITY. IT WAS EASY TO PRODUCE THIS FOR A TWO DAY WEEKEND BECAUSE THE MATCH FEES RUN PER PERSON PER DAY, WITH THE ADDITIONAL YARDAGE YOU ARE ATTRACTING PEOPLE WHO WILL WANT TO SHOOT AT THE LONGER DISTANCE.

>> FROM A SHARES PERSPECTIVE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ANNUAL QUALIFICATION BUT NOT EVERYONE GOES THROUGH THE RANGE ONCE PER YEAR END SHOOT. WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR OWN FACILITY, YOU CAN RELAX AND SCHEDULE SMALLER GROUPS OF PEOPLE TO DO THIS.

IF SOMEONE IS IN DANGER OF NOT QUALIFIED, BECAUSE YOU OWN YOUR FACILITY, THEY CAN SPEND TIME,

EVEN IF IT IS THEIR OFF TIME TO PRACTICE. >> WE THINK QUALIFYING WOULD BE

THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF TIME. >> IT SHOULD BE THE EASIEST DAY. >> LET ME OPEN IT UP TO THE

OTHER COMMISSIONERS. >> WE CANNOT BUILD ANYTHING MORE THAN --

>> YOU CAN GO BACK AS FAR AS YOU LIKE. >> WE ARE LOCKED IN.

>> WE ARE LIMITED AT 250. THEN BECAUSE OF THE MITIGATION WE CAN ONLY GO SO FAR.

>> OUR OPTIONS ARE THIS SPIRIT WE PHYSICALLY CANNOT DO ANYTHING DIFFERENT.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT IS A WIN SITUATION.

>> MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE FROM A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE. WHERE IS THE SWEET SPOT.

IS THERE WON? YOU'RE TALKING, 1,000 YARDS. THAT IS SOMETHING WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO. BUT DOES 200 PUT US OUT OF A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES.

>> JUST UP THE ROAD, THEY HOLD A MONTHLY MATCH. THEY HOLD THREE DIFFERENT MATCH EVENTS USING THREE DIFFERENT TYPES OF POSITIONS. THAT IS PRETTY COMMON.

THERE IS A PROVISION TO USE A REDUCED DIAMETER FOR THE YARDS. IT IS ALL SCALABLE.

>> IN YOUR OPINION, 230 IS THE SWEET SPOT? >> THAT IS THE BEST YOU CAN GET TO ACCOMMODATE THE ADDITIONAL WITH SPIRIT I THINK IT WOULD BE LONG CITED TO DO THE 30 POSITIONS. I THINK YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT WILL PROBABLY FILL UP QUICK

ENOUGH. >> THANK YOU ALL. SO, WE HAVE SEVERAL CHOICES.

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WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE A DETERMINATION AS TO WHICH DESIGN SIZE WE ARE LOOKING FOR.

I THINK IN TERMS OF MY THOUGHT PROCESS, IN TERMS OF THE ACTUAL SPLIT THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE IN HER AGENCY. IT ALMOST COMES DOWN TO BE A 5050 SPLIT IN TERMS OF THE DAYS AND THE WEEK. THE OTHER DAYS, IF NEEDED, SHOOTING COMPETITION, OTHERWISE IT IS OPEN TO DAYS ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, BASICALLY EARLY MORNING TO LATE NIGHT.

SO, THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE CROSSED MY MIND. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SHERIFF CAN LIVE WITH THIS AND IT SEEMS LIKE THAT MAY BE A PLACE TO HANG OUR HATS AS FAR AS ANY COMPETITION

POSSIBILITIES WITH MARKETING TO OTHER FOLKS AT THIS POINT. >> I'M NOT REALLY CLEAR ON, THE DESIGN. RIGHT WHEN I COME WHEN WE CAME ONTO THE COMMISSION, THERE WAS ANOTHER BID ON THIS AND IT WAS WITHDRAWN AND THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE HAVE A DESIGNED THAT SOMEONE CAME UP WITH AN EYE DON'T THINK WE HAVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER ON WHO DESIGNED IT.

>> THERE WAS A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP PUT OUT. I THINK IT WAS DUE TO THE PANDEMIC. WE HAD THIS DESIGN ONGOING WHEN THAT CAME OUT.

THE DESIGN WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE WORKED WITH THOSE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEY WORKED IN COLLABORATION TO BUILD WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE RIGHT NOW. THAT IS WHERE THE DESIGN CAME

FROM. ALL INPUT AND GUIDANCE. >> THIS WAS THE 20 POSITIONS AT

250. >> RIGHT. >> THEN WHEN THE SHERIFF CAME IN, SHE SPOKE WITH 13 AND THEY MADE ADJUSTMENTS AND THEY THOUGHT THEY NEEDED THE WIDTH

AND BY TAKING THE WITH THE LONG AS WE CAN GO IS 200? >> YES.

I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE WE AGREE ON, THIS IS A NO-BRAINER. THIS IS A SWEET SPOT AND

PROVIDES THE MOST FLEXIBILITY FOR ALL USES. >> THE SHERIFF CAN LIVE WITH IT.

IT GIVES US THE POTENTIAL TO ATTRACT GROUPS THAT WOULD COME IN AND HOLD AN EVENT.

>> IS THERE A MOTION? >> THIS IS A DIRECTION KIND OF THING.

>> MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE, IF THE COMMISSIONER IS PROPOSING WE AGREE WE WANT TO HAVE A RANGE DESIGNED AT 200 YARDS WITH 30 POSITIONS, I WILL SECOND THAT MOTION.

ITEM NUMBER 3, THE SCHEDULING OF THE RANGE I THINK IS PREMATURE. THE REASON IS BECAUSE, WE HAVE NOT AGREED, THAT WE WILL BUILD IT BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW THE COST ESTIMATES.

WHAT IF THE SHERIFF SAYS SHE NEEDS 15 WORKDAYS PER YEAR, AND IT TAKES US TWO YEARS OR SHE HAS A LOT MORE DEPUTIES OR WHATEVER AND SHE NEEDS IT MORE. I THINK MARCH 9, 2021 MAY NOT BE THE DAY TO DECIDE THAT. I WOULD LIKE THEM TO GIVE US THAT INFORMATION SO I WANT TO SAY IT IS PREMATURE TO AGREE TO SCHEDULE. I AM NOT EVEN SURE WE HAVE AGREED, MAYBE SOME OF YOU FEEL OTHERWISE ON WHO WILL OPERATE IT AND MAINTAIN IT.

THE COMMISSIONER TALKED ABOUT THIS. I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THE RANGE AND OTHERS THAT I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THAT GOES INTO RUNNING ARRANGE

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THAT ARE NOT COVERED HERE THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO HAVE SPECIFIED THAT WOULD BE MY OPINION.

>> I AGREE WE SHOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT SCHEDULING OF THE RANGE BUT I THINK WE SHOULD AGREE IT IS DUAL USE, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE FOR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION.

>> I WOULD HESITATE TO SAY, IT IS A SHERIFFS OFFICE PRIORITY WE HAVE ALL AGREED TO THAT AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP THAT IN MIND, WHATEVER THAT WOULD MEAN.

>> I SEE THIS AS BEING RAN BY THE PARKS DEPARTMENT. THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY, WHETHER WE DO IT OR THEY COME UP WITH IT THE MONEY WILL BE THE SAME, SO IF THE PARK DEPARTMENT SCHEDULES IT WE GIVE THE SHERIFF PRIORITY, WHATEVER THEY ASKED FOR, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET IN ON THE WEEKENDS AND IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC A LITTLE EACH WEEK, I DON'T HAVE A

PROBLEM BUT I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS WITHOUT THE PUBLIC COMPONENT. >> I THINK WE ALL AGREE WE HAVE A DUAL PURPOSE. MAYBE WE CAN THROW THAT BACK IN THE COUNTY MANAGER'S LAP IN TERMS OF COMING UP WITH A PROPOSAL AND THOUGHTS ON HOW WE CAN RUN THAT, WE READ THAT SHREK WHETHER WE RUN IT IN CONJUNCTION OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THEY WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE SOMEONE TAKE CARE OF THEIR SCHEDULING, BUT MAKING SURE THINGS ARE HAPPENING, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT. THERE'S LIABILITY INSURANCE THAT'S COSTLY.

WHEN WE OPEN THIS UP TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. AND I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH A LONGER RANGE FOR THE WEEKEND EVENTS WHICH WILL HEP PAY THE BILLS.

I THINK WE HAVE A CERTAIN AGREEMENT THERE. I WOULD TAKE THE VOTE ON THAT.

THE OTHER THING, WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON, WE ARE DELAYING THIS DECISION.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SHE DID NOT WANT THOSE SCHEDULE INCLUDED.

IS THAT CORRECT COLLECTS I SAW THE COMMISSIONER MADE A MOTION. LET HIM CLARIFY HIS MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION WE GO FORWARD WITH THE REDESIGN AT A CERTAIN RANGE.

>> I WILL SECOND THAT. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? I HEAR NONE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES. AT THIS POINT, THE DECISION WE ARE MAKING, 30 BY 200, IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE SPECIFICS, WE WILL THROW THAT BACK AT THE COUNTY MANAGER FOR CONSIDERATION AT A LATER TIME WHETHER TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH.

>> CAN I REQUEST, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THROUGH THE SHERIFF OR COUNTY MANAGER, CAN I HAVE SOME FIELD TRIPS TO SEE THE RANGES SO I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT WE ARE

ASKING THE TAXPAYERS TO FUND? >> CERTAINLY. THAT WOULD BE WORTHWHLE.

>> I KNOW SHERIFF, YOU WOULD HAVE WANTED THIS TO BE EXCLUSIVE AND I APPRECIATE YOU BEING

COMPROMISING ON THAT, SO PETER. >> IF ANYONE NEEDS A FIELD TRIP TO THE GUN RANGE WE WILL BE

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HAPPY TO DO IT. >> WE DO APPRECIATE YOU WORKING WITH US.

>> THIS IS REALLY REFRESHING. >> SO, WE WILL JUMP AHEAD. UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE SOME 5:0T

[23. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public TEFRA Hearing on Resolution approving Capital Trust Agency's issuance of certain Educational Facilities Revenue and Revenue Refunding Bonds (St. Johns Classical Academy, Inc. Project), Series 2021 (C. Grimm)]

WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM NUMBER 23. THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TRUST AGENCIES AND CERTAIN

EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES. YOU WILL HELP US COLLECTS. >> SEVERAL TIMES I STARTED TO MAKE A MOTION OR SECOND A MOTION OR A VOTE. MAYBE JUST HEARING YOUR VOICE, MIKE. IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU AND HEAR YOUR HARD WORK.

WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THE INTEREST RATES ARE DOWN AND THAT IS GOOD NEWS.

WE ALSO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE ARE DOING AND IT'S REALLY JUST TO ADD SOME CLASSROOMS THIS IS THE GRADUATING CLASS THAT WE ARE ADDING.

I DO HAVE EXPERT SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BOND ISSUE ITSELF.

>> IT STATES IN THE AGREEMENT, THE SCHOOL WILL PAY ANY FEES. WITH THESE WILL THEY OCCUR IN

THIS TRANSITION? >> I'M LOOKING OVER AT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BUT THE COUNTY HAS NO FEES BUT THE LANGUAGE IN THE DOCUMENT IS TO PROTECT IN CASE YOU DID HAVE FEES.

>> THERE HAD TO BE A SEVEN-DAY PUBLIC NOTICE? WHERE WAS THAT POSTED?

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HEAR NONE DO WE HAVE A MOTION? >> PUBLIC HEARING.

>> WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THEY WANT TO MAKE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? I SEE NONE, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING

AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION OR EMOTION. >> I WILL MOVE APPROVAL.

>> I SECOND THE MOTION. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0.

APPROVED. THANK YOU. >> THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO.

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>> SO WE MOVE ON TO NUMBER 24, THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING TO ADD EMPATHY ENTERS.

>> THANK YOU. THIS IS THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS REQUIRES TWO HEARINGS AND NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN TONIGHT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING AN AMPHITHEATER AT THE MALL. THEY ARE CURRENTLY ALLOWED IN THE MASTER PLANS.

THIS PROPOSED CHANGE CAN ACT AS THE CHANGE FOR THE OARS PARK MALL.

THE MALL WILL CHANGE THEIR PLAN. HERE IS THE PROPOSED SITE. IT IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE MALL. AMPLE PARKING AROUND IT. FAR AWAY FROM THE SEARS OR JCPENNEY'S. HERE IS A MODEST RENDITION. I KNOW THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AGAIN THIS IS THE FIRST READING.

THEY VOTED 5-1 TO APPROVE. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR QUESTIONS FOR AND AT THIS POINT?

>> ON THE ORIGINAL PICTURE THAT YOU SHOWED, BACK TO THE OVERHEAD SHOT.

THE TWO PARCELS, THE APARTMENT AND WHAT IS THE OTHER THING DOWN THERE, WHY DO THEY SHOW UP?

>> JUST TO SHOW WHERE THE NEAREST RESIDENTS ARE. >> OKAY.

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>> THE RED EMPATHY INTERSITE IS AN AREA WHERE THE MALL WAS USED FOR FESTIVALS AND OTHER OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES? YOU WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THAT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ED AT THIS TIME? IF NOT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CALL ON, IS RANDY HERE? RANDY, COME DOWN AND TELL US

MORE ABOUT THE AMPHITHEATER. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM THE GENERAL MANAGER.

WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS VENUE. THIS WAS FROM FREEDOM FESTIVAL. WHEN WE PUT ON AN EVENT, OBVIOUSLY IT COSTS US MONEY TO BRING UP EVERYTHING. FREEDOM FESTIVAL COSTS IN THIS COMPONENT. WE DECIDED TO LOOK AT BUILDING A CONCERT SITE, THE EMPEROR THEATER, THAT WOULD ACCOMMODATE US AND ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY NEEDS.

YOU WILL HAVE AN OPEN-AIR AMPHITHEATER WITH NO SEATING, GREEN SPACE.

ON THE BACK OF THAT, THERE WILL BE FIVE PADS FOR NEW TRUCKS. SO THE TRUCKS CAN COME IN AND NOT RUN THEIR GENERATOR. IT IS A WAY TO ACTIVATE THE GOING GREEN SPACE AND BRING IN

HOPEFULLY ADDITIONAL ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE COUNTY. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS?

>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE ORIENTATION OF THE STAGE, I HAVE A GOOD FEEL FOR THE SOUND WILL

BE PROJECTED. >> WE CAN GO BACK TO THE PICTURE.

THIS STAGE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, IT IS TURNED TOWARDS THE AREA OF THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

IT DOES NOT AFFECT THE ACTUAL APARTMENTS BEHIND US. I HAVE BEEN AT THE PROPERTY FOR TWO AND HALF YEARS. WE HAVE NEVER HAD A COMPLAINT WHICH RECOMMENDS 25,000 PEOPLE.

WE ABIDE BY THOSE. WE TRY TO BE GOOD STEWARDS IN THE COMMUNITY.

EVERYTHING WE PUT ON THE PROPERTY IS DONE WHILE WE ARE OPEN.

WE DON'T ANTICIPATE FOR ANY EVENT TO GO PAST 10:00 P.M. >> THANK YOU.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE PLANT ENGINEER, WE WILL HAVE LIGHTS FOR SAFETY. WE WILL HAVE PERMANENT RESTROOMS.

>> >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT.

>> DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? I SEE NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. THIS IS THE FIRST -- NO ACTION TONIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? WE WILL MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU AND. AND WILL BE COMING BACK TO US AT

[25. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Resolution approving the issuance by the Housing Finance Authority of Clay County of its Multifamily Housing Revenue Bonds, Series 2021, in the aggregate amount not to exceed $24,000,000 to provide funds to finance the multifamily residential rental housing project for the benefit of Nathan Ridge, Ltd., a Florida limited partnership, or its affiliate (T. Sumner/R. Komando)]

A LATER MEETING. TEAC NUMBER FIVE, A MULTI- FAMILY HOUSING REVENUE BOND.

>> NIGHT IS A REVOLUTION APPROVING THE HEARING THAT WAS CONDUCTED BY THE HOUSING FINANCE AUTHORITY WHICH WOULD ALLOW $24 MILLION IN BONDS TO PROVIDE THE PROJECTS NOW BEING CALLED NATHAN'S RIDGE. 192 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND PROVIDE NEW HOMES FOR INDIVIDUALS, REALLY GEARED TOWARDS OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING WITH THE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND THE NICE THING IS THEY CAN PURCHASE THAT AT A RENTAL RATE OF 60% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS? >> AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHAT'S THE TARGET COST FOR THIS

APARTMENT. >> >> WITHOUT GOING INTO TOO MUCH

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DETAIL. THE AVERAGE INCOME WILL BE 60% OF THE AREA INCOME BUT IT GOES UP TO 70%. SO, LET'S JUST SAY, WE WILL HAVE UP TO 70%.

60% WILL BE A ONE BEDROOM. ONE BEDROOM IS 709 -- I'M SORRY $780.

TWO BEDROOMS IS $949. THREE BEDROOM IS $1,100. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, THE INCOMES WILL RANGE FROM, IN THE 40S AND $27,000 PER YEAR END UP TO 70% IS $36,000.

THAT IS FOR ONE PERSON. SO IF YOU HAVE A FAMILY OF THREE IN THE 70% RANGE, YOUR MAX

INCOME IS 47,250. >> DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE TARGET RENTERS IN THOSE CATEGORIES TO

MEET YOUR BOND ISSUES? >> YES, IT IS HIGHLY REGULATED. IF YOU GO OVER, SO, IT IS VERY

HEAVY COMPLIANCE. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE LIMITS ARE, FOR -- I WISH I COULD ENUNCIATE MY QUESTION A LITTLE BETTER. BUT YOU HAVE TO CATER TO LOW INCOME RIGHT-CLICK STANCH FOR 15 YEARS. THEN IT WOULD LOSE RESTRICTIONS.

>> THEY LOSE THE TAX CREDIT? >> CORRECT. >> WHO MONITORS BACK?

>> A MANAGEMENT COMPANY. >> DO YOU HAVE TO REPORT TO THE STATE QUICK STANCH THEY HAVE SERVICERS THAT THE STATE WILL HIRE AND THEY WILL PIGGYBACK ON THE SAME MONITORING FROM THE STATE. IT IS A THIRD-PARTY PERSON THAT GOES THROUGH YOUR FILES, IT IS

PRETTY EXPENSIVE. >> FOR 15 YEARS? >> CORRECT.

>> THIS GOES AROUND ST. VINCENT'S QUICK STANCH IT IS ADJACENT TO THE BELTWAY.

ABOUT 900 FEET ON THE LAND AND THEY HAVE PLANS FOR UPFRONT TOWARDS THE ROAD SO WE ARE

TAKING THE BACK PIECE. >> YOU WILL ACCESS IT OFF OF THIS AREA?

>> JEFFERSON, OLD JENNINGS WILL HAVE TO BE REEVALUATED AT SOME POINT.

WE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF STUFF OUT THERE. I KEEP TELLING PEOPLE THAT ASKED ME ABOUT IT. TRYING TO WAIT UNTIL WE HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION IDENTIFIED.

THIS IS THE SERVICE. WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THIS IS, WE ESSENTIALLY CREATE A LOT OF LOW INCOME AREAS THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING IN FROM OUT OF STATE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR CHEAP HOUSING, THAT BRINGS IN PEOPLE THAT ARE MAKING LESS THAN OUR AVERAGE WAGE.

HERE, I AM SEEN IF WE NEED TO SUPPORT THE HOSPITAL, AND THAT IS PROBABLY WHY I WILL GO ALONG

WITH THIS. >> AND OF COURSE, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR CASSIE GUARDS.

>> YES THE AREAS THAT WERE RECENTLY COMPLETED. I TOLD EVERYONE BEFORE, THIS IS A 72 PERSON WAITLIST. WE CAN ALMOST PUT EVERYONE IN NATHAN RIDGE, I ALSO TELL PEOPLE, AND CLAY COUNTY WE HAVE THE HIGHEST WAITLIST OF ALL OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE STATE FROM THE PANHANDLE TO THE KEYS. WE HAVE THE HIGHEST WAITLIST. WE DO TRACK WHERE THEY COME FROM, AND MOSTLY CLAY COUNTY RESIDENTS. SERVING THE MAJORITY OF THE AREA. I CAN SHOW YOU IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT.

>> ARE THE PRICES THE SAME? I THINK A TWO BEDROOM, HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY, $1,000 QUICK STANCH THOSE TWO, ARE 60% BELOW ONLY. THAT IS A 60%. THE RENT WILL BE THE SAME.

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IT IS REGULATED EVERY YEAR BUT BASED ON INCOME. >> THAT IS THAT 60% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME. A LOT OF PROGRAMS ARE 50% OF THE MEDIAN INCOME.

THERE IS A GAP OF PEOPLE THAT, I THINK $1,000 IS A LOT FOR A TWO BEDROOM APARTMENT.

>> >> WHAT IS THE RENT? >> THOSE GO FOR, -- 40% WILL BE

AT THE LOWER AMOUNT? >> I WILL GIVE YOU THE BREAKDOWN.

I'M SORRY. THREE PAGES. SO, WE HAVE, THE 40% RENT.

ONE BEDROOM IS $500. TWO BEDROOM $612. AND WE HAVE, -- WHAT IS THE BREAKDOWN? WHAT PERCENTAGE WILL BE AVAILABLE VERSUS THE OTHER ONES

YOU GAVE US? >> WE WILL START IN THE 40S. FIFTEEN UNITS AT 40%.

THEN YOU HAVE, I HAVE TO AT THIS UP. I HAVE A LOT WRITTEN ON HERE.

160 AT, 100 AT 60% OF THE REMAINDER AT 70. IT ALL AVERAGES TO 60%.

>> SO, DO YOU THINK, THAT YOUR WAITLIST ARE SO LONG BECAUSE OF A LACK OF ENOUGH APARTMENT THAT THE LOWER LEVEL BECAUSE THE MEDIAN INCOME IS LOWER OR IS IT BECAUSE THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH

APARTMENTS. >> NOT ENOUGH APARTMENTS OVERALL.

OVER THE LAST THREE HAVE FOUR YEARS THERE HASN'T BEEN ANOTHER ONE FILLED THAT IS AFFORDABLE.

AND, YOU ARE PART OF THE JACKSONVILLE MSA. SO YOU HAVE THE SAME.

>> WHY DO WE HAVE THE SAME CORRECT STANCH BASED ON YOUR INCOME SPIRIT HUD DOES A LOT OF

FACTORS TOO. >> I HAVE TO TELL YOU I LIVE IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY.

SOUTH OF THIS AND THE MEDIAN INCOME IS NOWHERE NEAR JACKSONVILLE SPIRIT I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU HEAR THINGS, THE PROGRAMS THAT WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE APPLYING FOR OR A QUALIFYING FOR THEM. CLAY COUNTY, IS NOT JACKSONVILLE. WE ARE NOT PART OF THE JACKSONVILLE AREA.

I STRUGGLE TO UNDERSTAND, YOU'RE ASKING US TO BOND $24 MILLION, I AM NOT ARGUING AT ALL THERE'S NO NEED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING I'M ARGUING, THE FORMULAS THAT ARE USED TO SET THE RENTS AND WHAT

WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR THE RESIDENCE. >> COMMISSIONER, WHEN WE LOOK AT MARKET RATES WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY DO ROUTINELY AND MONTHLY, RIGHT NOW, THE GOING MARKET RATE IS BETWEEN 121400 FOR THE SAME AND WE'RE SEEING THAT ON THE SAME HOMES.

WE ARE BEATING MARKET RATE BY 20% WITH THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT. >> I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR

THE PUBLIC TO KNOW. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> I WAS AT THE OPENING OF THE FACILITY AND MY WIFE AND I WOULD RANDOMLY ASK PEOPLE, WHERE THEY CAME FROM AND WHY THEY WERE THERE, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TEST, A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING FROM OUT OF TOWN.

THE GENERAL ANSWER WAS, MY DAUGHTER FOUND ME THIS APARTMENT, I USED TO LIVE IN TEXAS. BUT THEY WANTED TO LIVE CLOSER TO GRANDKIDS.

I HAVE SEEN INSTANCES WHERE SUBSIDIZED HOUSING AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND I CAME FROM THE CHICAGO AREA WHERE PEOPLE WOULD SHOP FOR THE MOST INEXPENSIVE, OR HEAVILY SUPPORTED HOUSING, AND THEN MOVE LONG DISTANCES TO GO THERE. I DON'T WANT TO BE THAT PLACE.

DO WE WANT TO HELP OUR OWN CITIZENS OUT, ONE 100% PURE I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEREVER POSSIBLE, PEOPLE MOVING INTO THESE FACILITIES WERE APARTMENTS, ARE FROM CLAY COUNTY AND CITIZENS. I DON'T WANT TO START A REFUGE FOR PEOPLE COMING FROM OTHER

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PLACES JUST TO LIVE IN FLORIDA. >> IS THERE A WAY TO DO THAT QUICK STANCH NO, IT IS PRETTY TOUGH TO DO. THAT IS WHERE I REALLY FEEL -- ABOUT THIS STUFF.

I KNOW THE HOSPITAL NEEDS JANITORS THAT THEY NEED PEOPLE TO WORK THERE, I SEE THE NEED FOR THAT, BUT YOU CAN WALK OUTSIDE HERE, THROW A ROCK AND HIT A PLACE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE LOW INCOME HOUSING. THERE'S PLENTY OF THAT.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BUILT NEW. SO, I HAVE SAID ENOUGH. I'M SORRY.

>> I SPOKE TO RYAN HE SAID THERE'S A LIST OF WHAT EACH OF THE PEOPLE'S CAREERS ARE.

THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTS AND POLICE OFFICERS AND TEACHERS. THAT IS HELPFUL I THINK.

>> THIS WILL SHOW WHERE PEOPLE COME FROM. THIS IS LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE PEOPLE DO MOVE FROM OUT OF TOWN TO BE CLOSE TO FAMILY, BUT NOT MUCH LIKE THIS.

>> THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. WE NEED MORE WORKFORCE HOUSING, NOT EVERYONE MAKES ABOVE AND BEYOND THE AVERAGE INCOME. SO, CONSEQUENTLY IF WE WERE TO BRING BUSINESSES IN, THEY HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE WORK FOR THEM. THIS IS ONE EXAMPLE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I WANT TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> PUBLIC HEARING.

>> PUBLIC HEARING. IT DOES NOT SAY SO ON MY SHEET, BUT THAT IS OKAY.

>> YOU DON'T NEED A PUBLIC HEARING. >> YES WE DO.

>> I THOUGHT YOU DID. >> WE ARE INCLUDED BECAUSE THE ACTUAL PUBLIC HEARING TOOK PLACE BEFORE THE FINANCE STORY. THIS WOULD BE THE BOARD APPROVAL.

THE BOARDS I WORK WITH, OPEN AND ASKED FOR COMMENT AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY AT THAT STAGE.

>> THAT IS WHAT THE AGENDA INDICATES. NO PUBLIC HEARING.

EVER GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL COMMENT AND REQUEST, DO WE HAVE A MOTION CORRECT STANCH QUICK

QUESTION. >> I WILL SECOND PERIOD. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0. THANK YOU ALL. >> ALRIGHT, NUMBER 26, I

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APOLOGIZE I HAD OF TIME TO THE NUMEROUS PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING DEPARTMENTS IN THE AUDIENCE. THIS IS FOR THE BOND AND TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.

>> AGAIN, MY NAME IS E. DENDOR. ACTUALLY, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS EARLIER TO TURN IT OVER TO KAREN TO GO THROUGH THE OUTLINE AND OUT OF THE VOTING WILL GO FOR THE PRESENTATION.

>> THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. JUST TO BRIEF ON WHAT ED BRIEFED ON DURING HIS BRIEFING AND HIS COMMENTS. WE HAVE FOUR OF THE FIRMS HERE TODAY TO MAKE PRESENTATION. WE ASK THAT THEY MAKE PRESENTATIONS IN ALPHABETICAL ORDER. EACH OF YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN HANDOUTS THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT IN. I THINK EACH ONE HAVE A POWERPOINT.

>> YOU ALSO HAVE A SCORING SHEET , AND THEN YOU WILL SCORE THE FIRMS, THIS IS' QUALIFICATIONS THAT WE ARE RANKING THEM ON. WE ASKED THEM TO STICK TO A FIVE MINUTE PRESENTATION SO THEY SHOULD DO A BRIEF OF THE PROPOSALS AND, YOU DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK QUESTIONS AFTER THE PRESENTATION. AND WE WILL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH ALFRED BENESCH & COMPANY. I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS AFTER THE PRESENTATION. >> WE ARE GOING TO TALK AND I

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WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. >> ALFRED BENESCH & COMPANY WE ARE AND 800 PERSON FIRM ACROSS MULTIPLE OFFICES. OUR CORE BUSINESSES TRANSPORTATION DESIGN.

WE HAVE FLORIDA OFFICES IN DAYTONA BEACH AND JACKSONVILLE. TWENTY-FIVE PEOPLE DO RAILROAD DESIGN AND RAIL. WE WILL BE RUNNING THIS OUT OF OUR JACKSONVILLE OFFICE, WE DO TRANSPORTATION WORK FOR THE DISTRICTS WE DO HAVE A TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONTRACT THAT AS PROJECTS RIGHT HERE IN CLAY COUNTY. WE HAVE OTHER AGENCIES IN THE AREA. I WILL BE THE PROJECT MANAGER, I HAVE 30 YEARS OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND DESIGN EXPERIENCE AROUND THE STATE. WE LOOKED AT YOUR THREE QUARTERS, AND CAME TO UNDERSTAND THE ISSUES AND THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND THE CHALLENGES.

WE BUILT A REALLY BIG TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS TO DESIGN THESE PROJECTS CONCURRENTLY AND THAT INCLUDES OUR SUBCONSULTANTS, THEY ARE ALL EXCELLENT LOCAL FIRMS. THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING IN CLAY COUNTY. WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO RYAN.

>> MY NAME IS RYAN I WILL SERVE AS THE ADVISOR FOR THE PROJECT. I WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DELIVERY OF THE PROJECT WITHIN THE ESTABLISHED TIME FRAME THE SCHEDULE IS AGGRESSIVE.

MY BACKGROUND WILL SERVE THE COUNTY WELFARE I RECENTLY COMPLETED DELIVERING FORGER -- I FORGE $50 MILLION WORTH OF CONSTRUCTION. WITH A LOT OF CHALLENGES SIMILAR TO THE ONES YOU WILL BE FACING HERE. THAT WAS COORDINATED OVER TEN SEPARATE COORDINATION PACKAGES. I AM VERY EXCITED, I WILL BE ONE 100% AVAILABLE FOR THE PROJECT.

I'M RELOCATING TO THE JACKSON OFFICE AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON THIS PROJECT ARE WORKING WITH RICK AT THE COUNTY I WILL ASSURE THE SCHEDULE WILL BE MET AS WELL AS THE KEY MILESTONE. ALONG WITH THE GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE OBTAINED IN THE PERMITS AND DELIVERING THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS. I WILL TRACK THE PROJECT AND REPORT TO THE BOARD AS NECESSARY. I WILL IMPLEMENT A DESIGN AS WELL AS A CONSTRUCTION RISK REGISTER THAT WILL ALLOW THE RISK AS THEY OCHER TO MITIGATE THE ITEMS. NOT TO SPOKE -- SPEAK TO THE SEYMOUR PROJECT I WILL TURN IT

OVER. >> THANK YOU FOR LETTING US BE HERE TONIGHT.

I'M REPRESENTING THE FIRMS ALTERNATIVE DELIVERY. ONCE AGAIN, YOU HAVE CHOSEN A POWERFUL DELIVERY PROCESS. WE HAVE COMPLETED A PROJECT IN TENNESSEE.

WE'RE WORKING ON A PROJECT IN NORTH CAROLINA, SPECIFICALLY IN TENNESSEE WE WERE ABLE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE STATE SITTING AT THE TABLE TO WORK THROUGH AND MINIMI ACQUISITION ON THE PROJECT. WE ELIMINATED ALL OF THE ACQUISITION.

WE WERE ABLE TO MINIMIZE AND ELIMINATE MOST OF OUR UTILITY CONFLICTS ON THE PROJECT, AND THE PICTURES ON THE SCREEN ARE THE PROJECTS WHERE WE REPLACE THREE BRIDGES OVER AND INTERESTING FACILITY ONE BEING A DOUBLE TRACK RAILROAD BRIDGE. THE LAST THING WE DID, THAT WAS IMPORTANT, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO MINIMIZE.

CONTRACTORS WANT ROOM TO BUILD SO WE WERE ABLE TO FIND A BALANCE WITH THEM DEFINING THE AMOUNT OF WORK AREA THEY NEEDED AND BALANCE IT OUT, SO THE CITY OR THE PUBLIC COULD TRAVEL

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THROUGH THE AREA. WITH THAT, I AM JUST GOING TO TELL YOU I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN THE SEYMOUR PROCESS. I HAVE SEEN IT IN WORK. I WILL BE GLAD TO DISCUSS ANYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE.

WITH THAT WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, DOES ANYONE HAVE

ANY QUESTIONS? JIM. >> HOW BIG IS YOUR OFFICE IN

JACKSONVILLE FOR RIGHT NOW? >> IN FLORIDA IT IS 25 PEOPLE. I BELIEVE IT IS 20 AND

JACKSONVILLE AND 20 IN DAYTONA BEACH. >> FIVE IN DAYTONA BEACH.

>> A LONG HAVE Y'ALL BEEN HERE? >> FOUR YEARS, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN IN FLORIDA.

>> I BELIEVE THESE ARE IN MY DISTRICT SO TIME AND BUDGET ARE IMPORTANT TO ME.

WHAT CAN YOU SPEAK ON AS FAR AS TIME. YOU HAD HIGH NUMBERS AS FAR AS

YOUR TIMING. THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME. >> WE HAVE A DEEP BUNCH OF ENGINEERS ACROSS THE COMPANY THAT WILL BE DEDICATED. IT'S NOT JUST THE FLORIDA STAFF.

THIS WOULD BE THE HIGHEST PRIORITY. IN OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE THREE

THAT DO MEET YOUR NEEDS, WE ARE COMMITTED TO MEETING THAT. >> YOUR LOCATION WOULD WORK LOW

IS THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN HERE LONG? >> FOUR YEARS.

WE ARE IN DUFAULT COUNTY. >> I HAD A QUESTION. YOU REFERRED TO AN AGGRESSIVE SCHEDULE A NUMBER OF TIMES. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON OUR SCHEDULING.

IS IT REALISTIC QUICK STANCH IT IS DOABLE. WE ARE LOOKING AT MAXIMUM PRICE OF 18 MONTHS. YES, IT CAN BE DONE. WE NEED TO GET MOVING SOON.

WE DON'T NEED DEAD TIME WITH -- IF WE GET STARTED AND WE ARE EFFICIENT, IT IS QUITE DOABLE.

>> WOULD YOU CONSIDER OPENING AN OFFICE IN CLAY COUNTY QUICK STANCH YES.

>> ANYTHING ELSE? >> I GUESS WE ARE GOOD. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

>> ALL RIGHT, THE SECOND TEAM, IF YOU GENTLEMEN WOULD MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE PODIUM.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. >> IS THIS THE MAGIC BUTTON COLLECTS.

>> WE'D LIKE TO START OUR PRESENTATION WITH THE THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US AND THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR RECOGNIZING ENGLAND THIMS & MILLER, INC. IS ONE OF THE TOP FIRMS FOR THIS PROJECT. MY NAME IS ROBERT. I LEAD THE TRANSPRTATION GROUP.

ON THIS PROJECT, I WILL SERVE AS PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE TO HELP YOU DELIVER THESE PROJECTS ON TIME. WITH ME TODAY, THE PROJECT MANAGER. I KNOW, THAT TIME IS LIMITED BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND TIME TO GIVE BACKGROUND ON ENGLAND THIMS & MILLER, INC. WE WERE FOUNDED IN 1977, IN JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA WHERE OUR HEADQUARTERS REMAIN TODAY. WE HAVE 246 EMPLOYEES IN THE HEADQUARTERS. THAT RANKS US, ACCORDING TO THE JACKSONVILLE BUSINESS JOURNAL, THE FOURTH LARGEST ENGINEERING FIRM IN THE REGION. WE HAVE PLENTY OF RESOURCES.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT, ETM HAS BEEN WORKING FOR THE COUNTY, CONTINUOUSLY SINCE 2007. ALMOST 15 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING DIRECTLY WITH YOUR STAFF DOING ENGINEERING PROJECTS OR CONSTRUCTION INSPECTION PROJECTS.

SO, WITH THAT, I WILL AND IT OVER TO BRIAN. >> I AM BRIAN.

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I WILL BE THE PROJECT MANAGER AND SINGLE POINT OF CONTACT AS WELL AS THE REPRESENTATIVE.

I'VE BEEN WORKING PERSONALLY IN CLAY COUNTY FOR NEARLY 15 YEARS AS WELL.

ALL OF THAT TIME, I WAS THE ENGINEER OF RECORD. AS WELL AS SEVERAL DIRT ROAD PAVING PROJECTS. WE UNDERSTAND THE SCHEDULE IS ONE OF THE MAJOR THINGS WITH THIS SCHEDULE. WE HAVE HANDPICKED AND TAILORED THE TEAM, TO ACCOMPLISH THAT SCHEDULE. WE HAVE DONE THAT WITH ALL LOCAL FLORIDA FIRM SPIRIT OUR UNDERSTANDING, THESE PROJECTS ARE WIDENING EXISTING TWO LANE ROADS AND CONVERTING THEM TO FORT LANE CURB AND GUTTER. THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE DONE QUITE A BIT.

EXCESSIVE EXPERIENCE WE HAVE DOING THIS. MOST RECENTLY, VERY SIMILAR INCLUDED RIGHT-OF-WAY ACQUISITION SPIRIT THAT IS WHAT THIS JOB HAS.

WE INTEND TO DO THE PROJECT CONCURRENTLY. HORIZON ENGINEERING OF A PARTNER WILL LEAD THE DESIGN ON 220. I WILL OVERSEE THE MANAGEMENT OF ALL THREE OF THEM.

WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AND THE DEPTH TO HANDLE ALL THREE BUT WITH THE SCHEDULES IN MIND, WE TAKE A DETAILED LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE FOR THE OVERLAPPING REQUIREMENTS WE THINK THIS WILL MAKE US HAVE MORE THAN ENOUGH ADEQUATE RESOURCES TO HANDLE ALL THREE PROJECTS.

WE WILL ENSURE THE COORDINATION AT THE PERSON EVERY SPIRIT WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH WORKING WITH LOCAL CONTRACTORS AND DO IT ALL OF THE TIME. CRITICAL ISSUES RELATING TO THE SCHEDULE. FIRST ON THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OVER DESIGN WILL MINIMIZE THE TOTAL PARCELS TO SAVE TIME AND BUDGET THROUGH THE ACQUISITION PROCESS. WE WILL ALSO AVOID TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION. THESE CAN BE JUST AS COSTLY AND TIME-CONSUMING.

WE WANT TO ENSURE THE RAILROAD IS NOT AN IMPACT TO THE SCHEDULE.

EARLY COORDINATION WILL BE KEY. FINALLY, STUDIES WERE RECONNECT TO THE COUNTY ROADS, SOMETHING THEY CALL AN INTERSECTION CONTROL. STUDY WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT WE KNOW THE PROCESS. WE WORK WITH THEM ALL OF THE TIME.

WE WILL ENSURE THAT THIS WILL NOT BE A HICCUP IN THE SCHEDULE. WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT BACK

OVER. >> I JUST WANTED TO IN THE PRESENTATION TOUCHING ON THE STRENGTH IN THE AREA. IF YOU WERE THERE, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE 246 EMPLOYEES THAT WE CAN TAP TO DELIVER THESE PROJECTS ON TIME. OF THESE, 28 RESIDE HERE CONTRIBUTING 1.5 MILLION OF THE ANNUAL SALARY YOU ALSO HAVE SOME GREAT FIRMS TO PICK FROM.

THEY WILL DO A GREAT JOB. THIS HAS THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF LOCAL RESOURCES AND EXPERIENCE.

WE ALSO HAVE 15 YEARS WITH YOUR STAFF, AS WELL AS THE PERMITTING AGENCIES ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS ONE. AND ENGLAND THIMS & MILLER, INC. IS A JACKSONVILLE FIRM.

YOU CAN GET THE BIGGEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK AS YOU ARE COLLECTING TAX DOLLARS.

IF YOU PICKED ENGLAND THIMS & MILLER, THANK YOU WILL ENSURE ALL OF THE MONEY WILL STAY REGIONALLY AND WITHIN THE STATE. WITH THAT, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.

>> >> DO EITHER OF YOU LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY?

>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO? >> ARE YOU PLANNING TO MOVE BY ANY CHANCE.

>> IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS AN OPTION. >> SOON YOU WILL TAKE A RIDE ON

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THE NEW ROADS. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME COMING TO MAKE THE

PRESENTATION. >> WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.

>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> GAI CONSULTANTS, INC. IS A LEADING ALTERNATIVE CONSULTANT IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. BEACH BOULEVARD FOR DISTRICT TWO.

WE HAVE DONE A NUMBER OF ALTERNATIVE DESIGN PROJECTS AROUND FLORIDA.

WE HAVE LENT MORE THAN 50 ALTERNATIVE DELIVERY PROJECTS. WE HAVE PARTNERED WITH MOST FLORIDA HIGHWAY CONTRACTORS ON THESE ALTERNATIVE PROJECTS. WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST INSPECTING -- INSPECTION GROWS. CONTRACTORS SHOWED THEIR CONFIDENCE IN US BY CONTINUING TO PARTNER WITH US ON MULTIPLE PROJECTS OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS. SO, HOW DID WE DO THIS.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE ARE BEING ASKED TO PARTNER WITH A CONTRACTOR IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A DESIGN WITH THEM. WE DO CONTINUAL COORDINATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT WITH THE PEOPLE DRIVING THE BACKUPS, IN ORDER TO BEGINNING OF A PROJECT.

WE IDENTIFY AND LOOK AT INITIATIVES DURING THE DESIGN. WE GET OUR BEST IDEAS FROM OUR CONTRACT PARTNERS. WE MINIMIZE COST BY WORKING WITH THE ESTIMATORS TO DEVELOP THE QUANTITIES AND TO SUPPORT THE BID. WE CAN ACCELERATE CONSTRUCTION THROUGH EARLY DESIGN. WE DON'T NEED TO WAIT. WE WERE PROACTIVE THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATION. WE ALSO HAVE MAINTAINED OUR PRESENCE ON SITE.

THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AND IT IS WHAT WE WILL DO. >> AS I SAID, I'M A LIFETIME RESIDENT, I SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN MANY ORGANIZATIONS. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE THESE ARE KEY MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM. HE LIVES RIGHT ACROSS THE RIVER. HE ACTUALLY RUNS THE TRANSPORTATION. WE PUT TOGETHER AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT CAN HANDLE THIS DESIGN. WE HAVE THREE SEPARATE DESIGN THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE USED ON OUR MAJOR PROJECTS. WE DID A 200 MILLION-DOLLAR PROJECT.

16 MILES AND 19 BRIDGES, WE USE THIS PROCESS TO GET PLANS TO RELEASE CONSTRUCTION AND ABOUT

TEN MONTHS. >> GAI CONSULTANTS, INC. I HAVE COMPLETED OVER A DOZEN SIMILAR PROJECTS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS. PROJECTS THAT ARE JUST LIKE THESE.

AT THIS THE VERY INDIVIDUALS WHO MADE THIS PROJECT A SUCCESS WILL BE PART OF OUR TEAM AND MAKE THIS PROGRAM A SUCCESS. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL INNOVATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO YOU. THE INTERSECTION RIGHT HERE, WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH IT.

A VERY TIGHT CURB. LIMITED SIGHT DISTANCE AND BARELY 50 FEET FROM THE TRACKS AND VERY ROUGH RAILROAD CROSSING. WE WANT TO SHIFT THE INTERSECTION TO THE WEST TO CREATE A STANDARD T INTERSECTION.

THAT ENABLES A FINER CURB, LONGER SIGHT DISTANCE, WE MOVE THE INTERSECTION 200 FEET FROM THE RAILROAD CROSSING AND WE CAN BUILD A SMOOTHER RAILROAD CROSSING THROUGH THERE.

THE OTHER ONES WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE RAMONA TECHNIQUE. FOR A PROJECT FOR THE CITY WE PARTNERED WITH THE CONTRACTOR, TO MODIFY THE PLAN TO WIDEN AND RESURFACE THE ROAD, RATHER THAN

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DO A COMPLETE REBUILD. THIS SAVED $1 MILLION. AND REDUCE CONSTRUCTION TIME BY ONE YEAR. WE MAINTAIN THE GOALS AND WE DID NOT SACRIFICE QUALITY.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR CLAY COUNTY IS THE SAME THING. ESPECIALLY BETWEEN THESE AREAS.

THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS REALLY TIGHT. THIS WILL SAVE US MONEY AND HAVE MUCH LESS IMPACT ON DRIVERS. AND IT HELPS US MAINTAIN DRIVEWAYS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

THIS IS A TECHNIQUE WE HAVE USED SUCCESSFULLY AND WE WANT TO BRING IT HERE TO THE COUNTY.

WITH THAT, THANK YOU, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I WILL BE HAPPY TO ASK AND ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?

>> HOME OFFICE IS? >> OUR OFFICES ARE IN DOWNTOWN JACKSONVILLE.

BUT WITH COVID-19 I WOULD LIKE TO THINK OF MY DINING ROOM AS MY OFFICE BUT YES, WE ARE THERE.

>> OUR MAJOR PARTNER IS IN JACKSONVILLE TOO. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS

ON THAT? >> YOU GOT MY ATTENTION WHEN YOU SAID, THE RAMONA TECHNIQUE.

I HOPE SHE DOES NOT MIND THAT WE TALK ABOUT HER. >> I WILL NOT SAY ANYTHING.

>> YOU SAVED OVER $8 MILLION BY, WIDENING AND RESURFACING SING AND BECAUSE -- INSTEAD OF A COMPLETE REBUILD. WHAT CAN WE DO TO SAVE ONE EIGHTH OF THE COST.

>> ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS WHAT THE CITY WANTED TO DO TO TAKE FROM A TWO LANE AND TO A 3-4 LANE WIDENING. ORDINARILY, THEY WANTED TO REBUILD THE ROAD IN ORDER TO CREATE A PROFILE THAT WOULD DRINK CORRECTLY. THEY HAD ALL KINDS OF TEMPORARY WALLS EVERYWHERE. SO, WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE PROFILE AND CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT WARPS THE GUTTERS TO GO UP AND DOWN SO WE CAN GET THE PROJECT TO DRAIN.

THAT WE COULD WIDEN THE ROAD AND OVERBUILD IT AS NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE THE PROFILE WE NEED.

THAT WAY WE DID NOT HAVE TO DIG UP THE EXISTING ROAD. WHEN YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO SHIFT THE TRAFFIC OUT OF THE WAY WHICH MEANS TEMPORARY ASPHALT. A LOT OF HEADACHES ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVEDRIVEWAYS. SO, WE WORKED WITH THE DESIGN BUILD PARTNER, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THEM ON DEVELOPING THE DESIGN AND CONFIRMING THIS IS SMETHING THEY CAN DO.

AND WE HELP THEM BID THE PROJECT LOOKING AT QUANTITIES OF ASPHALT AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> I GUESS WE ARE GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO

ACCOMPANIED YOU HERE TODAY. >> OUR FINAL GROUP, THE JACOBS ENGINEERING GROUP.

>> MY NAME IS MIKE. I AM A VICE PRESIDENT AND PERSON IN CHARGE OF JACOBS ENGINEERING, IT IS A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TONIGHT. OUR ADDRESS IS IN JACKSONVILLE

FLORIDA. >> YOU KNOW I AM MIKE ROLLING, THE PROJECT MANAGER.

200 WEST FORSYTH STREET, JACKSONVILLE, FLORIDA. >> ATWOOD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE

CLAY COUNTY AND THE LEADERSHIP FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM. >> I WANT TO GO UP AND DOWN.

THE TEAM PROVIDES UNPARALLELED QUALIFICATION AND VALUE. GLOBAL QUALIFICATIONS WAS RECENTLY RANKED NUMBER ONE BY THE COUNTY'S EVALUATION COMMITTEE.

ALSO SERVING AS A PRINCIPAL IN CHARGE, I HAVE BEEN WITH JACOBS FOR ABOUT 34 YEARS.

I'M A LOCAL PRODUCT OF CLAY COUNTY. I GREW UP HERE.

I LIVE IN CLAY COUNTY. MY WIFE AND I RAISED OVER KIDS IN CLAY COUNTY.

MY KIDS ARE RAISING THEIR KIDS IN CLAY COUNTY. BASEMENT MY ENTIRE CAREER WITH

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JACOBS WORKING IN AND AROUND CLAY COUNTY. THE PROJECT MANAGER, MIKE ROWLAND, HE IS ALSO A LOCAL PRODUCT. HE LIVED HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND ATTENDED THE SCHOOLS. HE HAS MORE THAN 30 YEARS OF TRANSPORTATION AND MANAGEMENT EXPERIENCE. HE KNOWS THE LOCAL LANDSCAPE. YOU CAN COUNT ON HIM TO GET THE JOB DONE. A FULLY STAFF AND RESOURCE TO BUILD YOUR PROJECT.

2020 JACOBS WAS RANKED BY ENR AS THE NUMBER ONE DESIGN FIRM IN THE COUNTRY AND SECOND IN HIGHWAYS. IN FLORIDA WE HAVE 4,000 EMPLOYEES.

WE HAVE 54,000 EMPLOYEES WORLDWIDE. WE HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR A LITTLE OVER SEVEN YEARS. TEAGAN JACKSONVILLE, THE OFFICE IS STAFFED WITH EMPLOYEES.

WE DESIGN CENTER. IT SUPPORTS OFFICE PROJECTS WORLDWIDE AND LOCALLY.

>> THIS IS OUT OF THE PROJECTS WILL BE DELIVERED. IT BRINGS ADDITIONAL VALUE FOR SEAMLESS DELIVERY. JACOBS, AS DELIVERED THESE PROJECTS, NOT ONLY AS DESIGNER, WHICH IS WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE, BUT WITH ALSO, CONTRACTORS. WE KNOW THE MODEL INSIDE AND OUT. WE KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT WORK, AND OUT TO BE SUCCESSFUL FOR THE

COUNTY. >> AS A PROJECT MANAGER WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SCHEDULE AND BUDGET OF THESE PROJECTS. AS TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. WE DO HAVE TEAM LEADERS AND THEY ARE LOCATED IN JACKSONVILLE. THEY HAE OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE DELIVERING ROADWAY PROJECTS. ONE ADVANTAGE OF THE PROJECT IS AGENT REDUCE SCHEDULE.

WE CAN MEET THE SCHEDULE AND MEET THIS PROJECT ON TIME. I'VE ALSO INCLUDED A RESOURCES THAT OTHER TEAM MEMBERS WILL HAVE TO BE PART OF THE TEAM. WE UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT CHALLENGES AND HAVE A PLAN TO DO IT. I LIKE TO GET BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND LOOK AT THE PROJECT, SEE THE ISSUES THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE ISSUES.

ONE IS UTILITIES. THERE'S A LOT OF UTILITIES THAT WILL REQUIRE RELOCATIONS.

FOR PAST PROJECT WAS EXPERIENCE, THIS CAN CAUSE DELAYS WITH THE SCHEDULE.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE A NEW WORD WAITING TEAM. THEY ARE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD.

THEY KNOW THE UTILITY COMPANIES. THEY WORK WITH THEM ALL AND THEY WILL WORK TO STAY ON SCHEDULE.

DRAINAGE IS AN ISSUE. WHENEVER YOU CHANGE, OFF-SITE DRAINAGE GETS BLOCKED AND WE WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR THE WATER. WE ALSO HAVE SOME OPTIONS TO COVER THOSE ISSUES.

WE ALSO DEVELOP RESILIENCE FROM FLOODING. WE'VE ACTUALLY STARTED WORKING A THREE-PHASE SCHEME TO BUILD THESE PROJECTS, WHICH WILL MITIGATE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND WE WILL MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS TO THE BUSINESSES, THE RESIDENTS AND THE TRAVELING PUBLIC.

BACK TO MIKE. >> IN CLOSING, JACOB SAYS, PLENTY OF RESOURCES.

WE HAVE AWARD-WINNING EXPERTISE. THESE PROJECTS, ARE REALLY SPECIAL TO THE MIKE AND MIKE TEAM BECAUSE THEY ARE IN OUR HOMETOWN COUNTY. WE ARE REALLY EXCITED AT THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY, TO MAKE THESE PROJECTS A HUGE SUCCESS.

WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE ARE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY

QUESTIONS? >> I GUESS YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB, WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

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>> THINK YOU, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. >> SO, WE DO HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE. WE ASK YOU TO SCORE ON THE COMMISSIONERS SCORE SHEETS, USING 1-4. ONE BEING THE MOST QUALIFIED. FOR BEING THE LEAST QUALIFIED, AT LEAST IN YOUR EYES. IT IS A DIFFICULT DECISION. ALL OF THE GROUPS DID WELL PRESENTING THEIR POSITIONS AND THE EXPERTISE TO DO THEIR JOB. COMMISSIONERS, GO AHEAD AND MARK UP YOUR SHEET. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE FOUR COMPANIES.

WE COULD END UP WITH A TIE ENOUGH TO DO A SECOND ROUND. KAREN, DO YOU WANT TO COLLECT

THESE. >> DO YOU WANT TO DO A ROLL CALL WHERE I CAN COLLECT THEM.

>> AND COMMISSIONER, ARE YOU READY? >> JACOBS ENGINEERING WAS RUN

TRACK WAS NUMBER ONE. >> GAI CONSULTANTS, INC. THREE. >> WE ARE ALL OVER THE PLACE.

>> THE WE NEED DRAMATIC MUSIC? >> I WILL REPEAT MYSELF IT IS HARD TO MAKE THE DECISIONS BECAUSE ALL OF THE FIRMS ARE CERTAINLY, QUALIFIER AND HAVE THE EXPERTISE NECESSARY.

I THINK THE DECISION WILL JUST BE BASED ON SPECIFIC THINGS EACH COMMISSIONER SAUL DURING THE

PRESENTATION. ARE YOU READY? >> JACOBS ENGINEERING RECEIVED AN EIGHT. ENGLAND THIMS & MILLER, INC. 12. ALFRED AND GAI CONSULTANTS, INC.

GOT 15. AT THIS TIME, WE ASK THE BOARD'S PERMISSION FOR STAFF TO MOVE FORWARD WITH NEGOTIATING WITH THE NUMBER ONE FIRM, JACOBS ENGINEERING.

>> ALRIGHT, SO WE NEED A MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

PERIOD. >> I'M SORRY, I HEARD IT. >> I THOUGHT YOU WANTED US TO

APPROVE THAT YOU COULD GO DOWN THE LIST. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT.

IF WE CANNOT NEGOTIATE NUMBER ONE WE WILL MOVE TO NUMBER TWO. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO A

TIEBREAKER FOR 3-4, WE CAN DO THAT. >> IF IT GOES THAT HIGH.

>> WE NEGOTIATE WITH NUMBER ONE FIRST, WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WE GO TO NUMBER TWO.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, ALL IN FAVOR SAY REAL-TIME CLOSED CAPTIONING PROVIDED BY U.S. CAPTIONING COMPANY TO. THE MOTION CARRIES.

>> CONGRATULATIONS TO JACOB AND CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF THE FIRMS. YOU DID A GREAT JOB. THERE WAS SOMETHING IN ALL OF THE PROPOSALS THAT I REALLY

LIKE. >> I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE STAFF AS WELL.

WE HAD SOME FIRST RATE RESPONSES TO THE BID. THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE WORK INVOLVED IN PUTTING THAT

TOGETHER. >> THANK YOU GUYS, THANK YOU BOBBY.

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>> I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HEAVY LIFTING GETTING THROUGH THE EVALUATIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

ALSO WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING IS TO GIVE US THE ABILITY TO CONTINUE ON AND ALLOW THE CHAIR TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT WHETHER THAN HAVING TO COME BACK.

WITH THAT, AS LONG AS WE ARE UNDER THE BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT, IF WE ARE OVER THE

BUDGET WE WILL COME BACK AND ADDRESS IT WITH THE BOARD. >> DOES THAT VIOLATE ANY OF OUR PURCHASING ISSUES? IT IS OUTSIDE OF OUR POLICY. THAT IS WHY WE BRING IT TO YOU

TODAY. >> THIS IS A BIG NUMBER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

>> WE TALKED ABOUT IT DURING THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION. HOW TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS WHETHER TO BRING THINGS DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD. THE ONLY THING THEY ARE ASKING FOR OUTSIDE OF THAT IS, TO HAVE THE CHAIR EXECUTE IT AND WE BRING IT BACK FOR RATIFICATION.

IT IS CERTAINLY UP TO THE BOARD. >> IT IS BELOW THE NUMBER. THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK TO THE

BOARD. >> HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?

>> 2.9 MILLION. >> LETS GO BY THE NUMBERS, THAT WOULD BE MY VOTE.

>> TIME IS MONEY. TIME IS JAIL. >> I AM UP FOR DOING THIS BY THE

NUMBERS, THANK YOU. >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TIME IS MONEY.

>> OUR PENALTY WOULD BE, IF WE CONTINUE TO GET IT RATIFIED OR& ABLE TO SCHEDULE, THE 3-4 WEEKS WE WOULD LOSE, WE DO NOT WANT TO EXCEED OUR BOND DATE. WE WOUL LOSE ALL OF THE TAX EXEMPTIONS, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE COUNTY.

>> YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR JOB. >> MAKE SURE YOU DO THAT. >> EVERY DAY I SQUEEZE OUT, I APPROACH THE BOARD WITH SOMETHING THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

I CAN SAVE, TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. >> THE ONLY REASON WE WOULD HAVE

TO COME BACK IS IF IT WAS UNDER BUDGET. >> CORRECT.

>> I AM FINE EITHER WAY. I TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT IT IS BELOW THE NUMBER.

THEN IT COMES BACK TO THE BOARD. IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THEY WANT TO DO, I AM

GOOD WITH THAT TOO. >> I'M ONLY -- I'M GOOD WITH COMING BACK ONLY IF IT IS OVER

BUDGET. >> IS THAT A MOTION? >> THAT IS A MOTION.

>> SECOND THAT MOTION. >> ANY OF THE FURTHER DISCUSSION?

>> WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE COMMISSIONER. YOU CAN NEVER GO WRONG IF YOU

FOLLOW THE RULES. >> CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT, FOR THE MINUTES THAT THE MOTIONS ARE CLEAR, IT IS A MOTION TO ALLOW THE CHAIRMAN, ALLOW. TO NEGOTIATE THE AGREEMENT AND IF THE TERMS PROVIDE FOR THE $2 MILLION, TO AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO SIGN THAT WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THE BOARD OR THROUGH THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> WE ARE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT BECAUSE WE CAN ALWAYS DETERMINE AT ANY FUTURE TIME TO NOT GO THIS WAY IF AND COMES BACK WITH SOMETHING WE DON'T

APPROVE OF. >> THIS IS JUST FOR THIS AGREEMENT.

I THINK EACH TIME HE MAY ASK YOU THIS. >> THIS IS THE FIRST TIME AND

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WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS COME BACK FOR THE PROJECTS AND HAVE THIS AS WELL AS THE CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS FOR BOTH PROJECTS. WE WOULD ADDRESS IT WITH THE BOARD AT THE SAME TIME.

>> I WOULD ASSUME THE COUNTY MANAGER WOULD NOT PRESENTED IF IT WASN'T IN POLICY.

>> IT'S NOT POLICY. >> THERE IS NO POLICY. >> THERE IS A POLICY BUT WE ARE

WAVING IT. >> IT IS NOT VIOLATING. WE ARE ASKING.

>> WE ARE MAKING AN EXCEPTION. >> AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DOING IT.

>> HEARING NO OTHER DISCUSSION WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND A SECOND PERIOD ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 4-1.

>> THAT WILL BRING IT IN UNDER TO POINT 6 MILLION. TRACK TO $.6 MILLION.

[27. 5:00 p.m. or as soon thereafter as can be heard - Public Hearing to consider the Town of Orange Park's application for renewal of its Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity for Ambulance Service (L. Mock)]

>> NUMBER 27. THE CLAY COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY RECEIVE AN APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK FOR A CLASS E AND F CERTIFICATE OF

PUBLIC CONVENIENCE AND NECESSAR. >> FLORIDA STATUTES DESIGNATE THE COUNTIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MEDICAL SERVICES TO THE CITIZENS. CLAY COUNTY HAS DONE SO BY PROPAGATING CHAPTER OF THE ORDINANCE CODE, HEREAFTER REFERRED TO AS THE ORDINANCE.

IN WHICH IT ESTABLISHES STANDARDS FOR ISSUING CERTIFICATES OF NECESSITY WHICH I WILL NOW REFER TO. IN JANUARY THE COUNTY RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK, FROM THE ORANGE PARK FIRE DEPARTMENT REQUESTING THE REISSUING OF CLASS E AND F AS IN FOXTROT WITHIN THE COUNTY. IT WOULD PERMIT THE ORANGE COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT RESCUE UNIT A NON- TRANSPORT FIRE APPARATUS TO PROVIDE ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT, BASIC LIFE SUPPORT, SERVICE IN A DEFINED GEOGRAPHICAL AREA OF THE COUNTY. BUT PREVIOUS WAS ISSUED ON MARC.

THE REQUESTED SERVICE AREA AND RENEWAL APPLICATION INCLUDES THE TOWN OF ORANGE AS WELL AS WHAT IS DEFINED AS THE -- DEFINED IN THE CURRENT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.

ADDITIONALLY, IN ITS RENEWAL APPLICATION OF THE TOWN IS REQUESTING THE ELIMINATION OF THE ANNUAL PAYMENT PROVIDED FOR IN THE INTER- LOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND FOUND AND SEEKS EXCEPTION TO THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT TO ONLY PROVIDE ONE RESCUE UNIT.

THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT I AS FIRE CHIEF ANALYZE THE APPLICATION TO DETERMINE, THE PUBLIC NEED FOR THE PROPOSED SERVICE, AND TWO, OF THE PERTINENT FACTS IN WHICH THE FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT DEEMS RELEVANT IN DETERMINING THE FITNESS OF THE APPLICANT.

ALSO A COPY OF THE APPLICATION WAS TRANSMITTED TO EACH MUNICIPALITY AND THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY'S MEDICAL DIRECTOR, THE COUNTY'S OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET.

THEY WERE REQUESTED TO FURNISH RECOMMENDATIONS OR COMMENTS IN WRITING, PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING OR IN PERSON AT TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING, SO THEY MAY BE PART OF YOUR DELIBERATIONS PRIOR TO ANY DECISION ON THE APPLICATION. TO DATE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY OTHER COMMENTS. THE COUNTY'S MEDICAL DIRECTOR REVIEWED THE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, THE MEDICAL TREATMENT PROTOCOLS AS WELL AS THE EQUIPMENT LIST AND PROVIDED A LETTER OF APPROVAL. SIMILARLY, THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT REVIEW THE APPLICATION ALONG WITH THE COMMISSION AUDITOR AND PROVIDED EM ANALYSIS OF THE ONGOING FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS TO THE COUNTY IF THE TOWN'S REQUEST IS APPROVED.

FINALLY, I HAVE AS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE PROVIDE A REVIEW OF THE APPLICATION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, THAT MEMO IS IN YOUR FILE. TODAY'S PUBLIC HEARING IS A CONTINUATION OF THE STANDING COMMITTEE'S MEETING. IT PROVIDES THE APPLICANT, CLAY COUNTY FIRE RESCUE, THE COUNTY MEDICAL DIRECTOR, ALL PRESENT CERTIFICATE HOLDERS AND EACH MINUTES APOLOGY TO APPEAR, BE HEARD AND BE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL, PRESENT WITNESSES AND EVIDENCE, AND PRESENT ARGUMENTS REGARDING THE APPLICATION. AT ITS CONCLUSION, USA BOARD

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SHALL, BASED ON COMPETENT AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PRESENTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, AS WELL AS CONSIDERATION OF ALL OF THE FACTORS AND INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THE INFORMATION AS REQUIRED BY SECTION SEVEN -- FIVE OF THE ORDINANCE FIND WHETHER THE RESIDENTS WOULD BE BEST SERVED BY GRANTING THIS RENEWAL REQUEST, SUBJECT TO ANY CONDITIONS AND/OR LIMITATIONS, SUCH AS THOSE SPELLED OUT IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, OR BY DENYING THE APPLICATION.

AS SUCH THAT INCLUDES MY FORMAL REMARKS, I HAVE SOMEONE WITH ME AND SHE CAN MAKE A STATEMENT RELATIVE TO THE FINANCIAL MATTER, BUT I THINK YOU WILL FIND BY MY PACKET, I FOUND THE APPLICANT WAS CAPABLE AND COMPETENT AND ADMINISTRATIVELY ABLE TO CONTINUED PROVISION OF THE SERVICE. CERTAINLY, THERE ARE OTHER MATTERS THAT WILL APPLY RELATIVE TO THIS. QUESTIONS WERE RAISED AT THE STANDING COMMITTEE, HE AND I AM PREPARED TO ENTER GOALS ALONG WIT MY ASSISTANT AND THE STAFF. I WILL DEFER MY TIME RIGHT NOW

SO SHE CAN CONCLUDE HER REMARKS. >> THINK YOU, CHIEF. >> HELLO.

THE FINANCIAL ANALYSIS WAS PERFORMED PREVIOUSLY BY THE FORMER COMMISSION AUDITOR MIKE BRYSON HAS BEEN UPDATED WITHIN THE FISCAL YEAR 2020 INFORMATION WITH A FEW ADJUSTMENTS THAT I

WILL DISCUSS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES. >> SO THE TOTAL COST FOR FISCAL YEAR 1920, BASED ON THE BUDGET BOOK, IN 1920, WE COLLECTED 3,000,976 AND AMBULANCE REVENUE.

THE EMS COST IS $12 MILLION. THE TOTAL ANNUAL COUNTY AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS WAS 11,633.

THE TOTAL AVERAGE TRANSPORTS PER UNIT 1,108, AND BASED ON INFORMATION, WE RECEIVED FROM THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK, THE AMBULANCE TRANSPORTS WAS 1,004 TO 52.

SO, THE ESTIMATED COST FOR 1920, INCLUDING EMS SERVICES, AND THE RADIO SYSTEM, THEREFORE THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK WOULD BE 1.3 MILLION. AND THE AMOUNT COVERED BY THE TOWN OF ORANGE PARK IS $980,600. THE DIFFERENCE WOULD BE FOR 2,000.

CURRENTLY, -- $402,000. >> FIRST WE DETERMINE THE TOTAL EMS CALLS TO THE COUNTY INCLUDING THE NET EXPENSE, FROM DIVISION 20 THROUGH THREE, THE RADIO SYSTEM DEPRECIATION OVER 815 YEAR PERIOD TO BE A TOTAL OF AND THEN WE DETERMINE THE TOTAL OF THE COST TO BE 1.3 MILLION.

THE BREAKDOWN OF THIS AMOUNT, 1.2 MILLION, WHICH IS CALCULATED COST PER AMBULANCE OR THE ADDITIONAL UNIT AND SERVICE TO SUPPORT THE TOWN. THE REMAINING AND THE MEGAHERTZ RADIO SYSTEM BASED ON TAXABLE PROPERTY VALUES IN THE TOWN COMPARED TO THE EXPENSE USE WAS REDUCED BY 25%. THIS WAS TAKEN OUT FOR FIRE AND RESCUE.

WE ALSO REMOVED THE INTERNAL COSTS THAT WERE REMOVED. THE AMOUNT OF COST, WAS CALCULATED TO 9.8. THIS CONCLUDES THE COST AND ADMIN AND COMMUNICATION PAID THROUGH THE COUNTY. ADDITIONALLY, WE CALCULATED CREDIT FOR THE TOWN BASED ON THE EMS RESPONSES. IT WAS THEREFORE POINT TO 9% OF THE TOTAL RESPONSES.

THE DIFFERENCE IS HE 402,000, $887. TRACK THE DIFFERENCES 402,887.

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>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANYONE? SO, WHAT I GUESS WE SHOULD DO, WE SHOULD HAVE THE TOWN MANAGER.

AS YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM, I APOLOGIZE FOR KEEPING YOU UP FOR SOLEIL.

WE RAN INTO A TIME CERTAIN PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU ALL.

>> ON BEHALF OF THE TOWN COUNCIL I AM SARAH CAMPBELL. VICE MAYOR RANDY ANDERSON IS HERE ALONG WITH THE FIRE CHIEF. OVERALL, WE ARE DOING A PROGRAM THAT WAS IMPLEMENTED TWO YEARS AGO. IT HAS BEEN A SMOOTH TRANSITION BUT SERVICES HAVE BEEN THE COST TWO YEARS AGO WAS THE NUMBER PRESENTED TO US AND WE AGREED TO ACCEPT IT AT THAT TIME AS THE COST. I DON'T THINK ANYONE REALLY UNDERSTOOD AT THAT TIME, WHAT THE NUMBER WAS REPRESENTATIVE OF PEOPLE WE KNEW WE HAD TO AGREE TO IT TO GET THE CERTIFICATE.

THE TWO YEARS HAVE PASSED AND WE ARE HERE TO RENEGOTIATE. I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH STAFF AT LENGTH THIS MORNING AND GET SOME OF THE NUMBERS WHICH WE HAD NEVER BEEN PRIVY TO BEFORE. I STILL HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS WITH, THE REASONING AND RATIONALE ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND THE MATH A LITTLE BETTER -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SINGLE COMPARISON, WITH REGARD TO THE 800 MEGAHERTZ SYSTEM, THAT IS A COMPLEX ISSUE.

IT INVOLVED SIX DIFFERENT AGENCIES THAT USE THE SYSTEM. WE PROBABLY HAVE ONE OF THE SMALLER RADIO COUNTS. SO, FOR THE COUNTY TO RECOUP SOME OF THE PURCHASE COSTS, AFTER-THE-FACT, TO ONE ENTITY AND NOT ALL FIVE IS PROBLEMATIC. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT AND HAVE A COUNTYWIDE PLAN ABOUT THE AGENCIES. THAT IS BASED ON THE -- OVERALL, I THINK IT IS CONFUSING. IT IS A MESS OF NUMBERS. I DON'T THINK WILL I KNOW WHERE WE TIED THIS TOGETHER. IF THERE'S OTHER WAYS WE CAN PAY YOU FOR SERVICES YOU ARE PROVIDING AND WE HAVE NOT BEEN PAYING FOR, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TIE IT AT THIS POINT. WE ARE ASKING FOR A REDUCTION BASED ON THE UPDATED NUMBERS PROVIDED TWO YEARS AGO, THEY TOOK 50% OF THE AMOUNT SO, I THINK IT WAS OVER $500,000 AND THEY'VE LOWERED IT. IF YOU WERE TO USE THE SAME MATH EQUATION YOU WOULD TAKE THE 402,000 AND LOWER IT TO 201,000. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A GREAT EQUATION THAT WE BUILD BUT I AM HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT OPTIONS.

>> VICE MAYOR, YOU WANTED TO SPEAK TONIGHT? WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY. WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD FOR DISCUSSION.

>> THEY BEGAN OPERATION OF THEIR RESCUE UNIT. OBVIOUSLY, A YEAR AGO, THINGS CHANGE SUBSTANTIALLY. TO EVALUATE THEM, THEY ARE SIDE OF 18 MONTHS OF SERVICE IN A

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PERIOD THAT HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARY WITH PEAKS AND VALLEYS AND SERVICE LOADS IT IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT AND PROBLEMATIC TO DO, THE RECOMMENDATION, I SPOKE AND THE RECOMMENDATION I MAKE, I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST FOR ALL PARTIES IF WE KEEP EVERYTHING AS STATUS QUO AS POSSIBLE. THE NUMBERS ARE NOT SOMETHING I DEAL WITH ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO HOLD WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. I WOULD SUPPORT A RECOMMENDATION TO RENEW, ONCE IT IS DETERMINED WHAT THE BOARD FEELS APPROPRIATE , BASED ON THEIR REQUEST, AND THAT, I THINK OPERATIONAL WE CAN SUPPORT IT AS IT STANDS.

>> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN THE

COUNTY? >> I WILL DO THIS OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

I THINK THERE ARE FIVE, FOUR ARE PRIVATE. THE PUBLIC ONE, THE MUNICIPAL ONE. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE COUNTY.

>> >> ARGUES SAYING THE COUNTY APPLIES COST QUICKSAND DO WE

INCUR COSTS FOR THE CERTIFICATE HOLDERS? >> DO WE INCUR COSTS?

>> THE PRIVATE ODORS, THEY PROVIDE NON- EMERGENCY TRANSPORT SERVICES.

THEY ARE NOT LIMITED. THIS TAKES A BURDEN OFF THAT THEY OTHERWISE WOULD NOT HAVE.

>> SO WE DISPATCH THE OTHER PROVIDERS. TANGIBLES ARE MADE ON CALLS FOR SERVICE EITHER FROM HOSPITALS FROM NURSING HOMES, PRIVATE HOME CARE, AND THEY RESPOND TO THE REQUESTS AND TAKE THE BURDEN OFF OF THE PUBLIC SIDE OF THE SERVICE WHICH DELIVERS

PREDOMINANTLY EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES TO THE COUNTY. >> DO YOU WANT MY FINAL COMMENT?

>> IF YOU WANT TO DO THERE. WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE WE DO THAT.

>> WE WILL KEEP IT TO FACT-FINDING AT THIS POINT AND KICK COMMENTS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE ELVES HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE?

>> WE HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO WILL WAIT. COMMISSIONER, DO YOU HAVE

ANYTHING RIGHT NOW. >> LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO SPEAK ON THE CPN APPLICATION BY THE TOWN? SCENE NINE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD.

NOW WE CAN HEAR PUBLIC COMMENTS. -- NOW WE CAN MAKE OUR COMMENTS. >> LET MIKEY SPEAK.

>> HERE WE GO. >> BOWED LAST TIME WE ADDRESSED THIS, IN MY MIND, THE REAL PROBLEM IS THAT, THE MARKET FOR SERVICES LIKE THIS, THE EMERGENCY SERVICE, WE LOSE OUR SHIRTS ON BECAUSE WE CAN NEVER RECOVER AT FULL COST. THE AREA THEY ADDRESS HAS THE HOSPITAL THERE AT LOU'S HAVEN AND THEY PROBABLY HAVE THE BIGGEST PROFIT CENTER IF YOU WANT TO COOK THESE THINGS UP. IF WE CUT THEM OUT, WE HAVE LESS INCOME TO SPREAD THE COST FOR THE COUNTY OUT. THAT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES. SO, IF THE COUNTY, WOULD DO THAT SERVICE, INCORPORATE THAT INCOME, EVERYONE'S COSTS GO DOWN.

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WITHOUT THAT INCOME PIECE, WE HAVE TO RECOVER THE EXTRA COSTS WE ARE LOSING.

THAT INCLUDES THIS $400,000 BEING THAT I THINK WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

CAN THEY DO THE SURFACE, YES, THEY DEMONSTRATED THEY ARE COMPETENT.

THEY SELL THIS TO THEIR COMMUNITY AS A BEAUTY AMBULANCE SERVICE.

BY SUGGESTING THAT SOMEHOW, ORANGE PARK DELIVERS A BETTER PROJECT IN THE AMBULANCE BUSINESS THAN THE COUNTY. THIS IS MY CONJECTURE. DO WE HAVE A WAY TO PROVE THAT, NO. SO, MY PROBLEM IS, SHOULD MY CONSTITUENTS IN OAK LEAF OR ORANGE PARK COUNTRY CLUB, SPLIT THE COST OR PAY FOR THE EXTRA TO PRODUCE THE BOUTIQUE AMBULANCE SERVICE THAT ONLY THE PEOPLE IN ORANGE PARK CITY GETS TO USE. THAT IS MY ISSUE.

IF THE COSTS WERE REALLY THERE, AND I THINK THEY ARE, WHY SHOULD WE NOT COLLECT THOSE COSTS FROM THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO ARE USING THEM IN THE WHOLE COUNTY. IT IS NOT FAIR TO THE REST OF US. THE PEOPLE IN KEYSTONE. THE PEOPLE IN YOUR AREA.

IF INDEED, THIS BOARD DECIDES, WE WANT TO BE GENEROUS TO THE CITY AND GIVE THEM $400,000,

THAT IS GREAT, BUT I CANNOT SUPPORT THAT. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.

>> I WILL MAKE A REBUTTAL TO& THAT. >> YOU HAVE HOSPITALS, 2-3

HOSPITALS. >> WE ARE LIMITED BY GEOGRAPHY. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS.

BUT, I GO BACK TO THE COLLABORATIVE WAY WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.

YOU SOFTSERVE COOK TONIGHT SAY, WE WILL NOT CHARGE OUTSIDE AGENCIES.

THERE ARE COSTS TO RUNNING A GUN RANGE. ENVIRONMENTAL COSTS.

YOU JUST HAVE TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY. THAT IS WHERE I THINK, THE TOWN MANAGER MADE A PROPOSAL AND WE NEED TO GET A TOTAL CLOSER COLLABORATION INSTEAD OF FURTHER A WAY. I SOLICIT THE COMMISSION'S APPROACH TO WORK WITH ORANGE PARK, THEY ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. AND, WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE WORKING ON THAT RELATIONSHIP. MAYBE 0 IS NOT THE RIGHT ANSWER BUT MAYBE SOMETHING IS.

>> COMMISSIONER DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO ADD I AM ALL FOR RENEWING THIS BUT I FEEL LIKE, THERE HAS TO BE AN AMOUNT. I'M LOOKING AT A FUTURE FOR THE FIREFIGHTERS, AND THEIR INCOME.

WE WILL BE FACED WITH THAT IN A FEW MONTHS AND TAKING AWAY MONEY FROM THE COUNTY, I DON'T THINK

IS IT. >> I AGREE WITH THE COMMISSIONER AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER BURKS COMMENTS. WE ARE ALREADY FACED WITH THE PARAMEDICS WHO MAKE MORE MONEY THAN THE CLAY COUNTY PARAMEDICS. THAT HAS TO LEAVE A BAD TASTE IN THEIR MOUTHS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT IS NECESSARILY APPLES TO APPLES. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT COLLABORATION. I THINK THE TOWN IS DOING A GREAT JOB BUT THEY CAN'T STAND ON THEIR OWN TO MEET THE STANDARDS AND THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE.

FOR THE TWO AND A HALF AMBULANCES IF I QUOTED THE CORRE DEPARTMENT WOULD HAVE TO STAND, THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THAT. WE PROVIDE THE OTHER, IS THAT CORRECT I WILL GO BACK WHEN THIS WAS DEBATED. AS A FOUR YEAR PROFESSIONAL, I AM HARD-PRESSED TO TAKE A COMMUNITY THAT IS LESS THAN 10,000 PEOPLE AND SAY THEY HAVE TO HAVE LESS THAN TWO AMBULANCES TO OPERATE. THAT STRIKES ME AS OBSESSIVE. THE CAVEAT TO THAT IS, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES, AND IT IS BUILT ON THE FACT, WHEN THIS IS GRANTED, THE SIMILAR NATURE OF

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THE BUSINESS GRANTING A FRANCHISE TO AN AREA. SO, THE ASSUMPTION IS THE FRANCHISEE IS CAPABLE OF PROVIDING ALL OF THE ASSISTANCE. SO, I AM STUCK IN A JUXTAPOSITION THAT SAYS MY HEAD SAYS YES, WE SHOULD DO THIS COLLABORATIVELY AND WE SHOULD WORK WITH EACH OTHER SO NO AREA IS BURDEN. THE FRANCHISEES SIDE SAYS IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE A FRANCHISEE YOU OUGHT TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHATEVER THAT IS AND CARRY THE BURDEN. WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH.

THAT IS WHAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT STRUCK 12 THE LAST TIME THIS WAS DONE.

I THINK BOTH CASES CAN BE RIGHT. THE LARGER ECONOMY CAN DO THIS MORE EFFECTIVELY AND THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. ANYTIME A SMALLER COMMUNITY CHOOSES TO TAKE THE BURDEN ON, THE BURDEN IS HIGHER THAN ANY LARGE COMMUNITY. MY EXPERIENCE WITH JACKSONVILLE, IT WAS EASIER FOR JACKSONVILLE TO PROVIDE THE UNITS WILL RESCUE SERVICE.

YOU CAN CONTRAST THAT WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH WHERE FERDINANDO BEACH OPERATES.

THEY REALLY CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICES INSIDE OF THAT TOWN. ANY PATTERN WILL WORK BUT HONESTLY BELIEVE, WHAT WE HAVE IS EFFECTIVE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT THE COST IS.

>> IT DOES AFFECT HOMEOWNER'S PROPERTY AND INSURANCE RATES, CORRECT?

>> ISO IS A FIRE BASED RATING. IT IS AND ISN'T PART OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

THE STAFF CAN SUPPORT FIRE RESPONSE ON A RESCUE UNIT. BUT, THE TOWN IS IN A POSITION WHERE IN A COMMUNITY THEY CAN ASSEMBLE 15 PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT THE STRUCTURE FIRE.

THEY THEN HAVE TO GET THE ASSISTANCE OF JACKSONVILLE OR NAS OR CLAY COUNTY TO ASSIST THEM. THAT IS NOT UNUSUAL. WE DO THE SAME.

WE ASSEMBLE ORANGE PARK IN AREAS. THE AGREEMENT SPEAKS TO THAT.

WE BOTH BENEFIT FROM THAT RELATIONSHIP. >> I WAS GOING TO INVITE YOU UP.

>> I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON A FEW COMMENTS. I CANNOT SPEAK TO WHETHER WE HAVE THE BIGGEST PROFIT CENTER. YOU WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR BUILDING.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BREAK THAT DOWN. BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE MORE HOSPITALS COMING ALL OVER. BOUTIQUE LEVEL OF SERVICE, I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE EVER DESCRIBED IT THAT WAY. WE DO HAVE 18 EMTS AND PARAMEDICS.

FIFTEEN OUR PARAMEDICS. SEEK NOT ONLY ORANGE PARK GETS TO USE THEM.

THIS IS IMPORTANT. 40% OF THE TOTAL CALLS ARE RUN IN THE COUNTY.

THE COUNTY GETS THE BENEFIT OF THE BOUTIQUE SERVICE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS CLAY COUNTY CALLS DID NOT GO UP AS A RESULT OF THIS DECISION. EVERYTHING IN YOUR BUDGET WAS MOVING FORWARD REGARDLESS IF WE WERE GRANTED THIS OR NOT. THERE WERE NO DIRECT INCREASE IN CALLS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE WERE DOING, THE ADDITIONAL $1.2 MILLION WAS GOING TO BE IN THERE REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE TOWN. IS THERE A BURDEN FOR US TO TAKE IT ON? WE OBVIOUSLY AGREED TO TAKE ON THE SERVICE AND PAY THE FEE, BUT THE RESIDENTS WERE WILLING TO PAY THAT, IN ORDER TO KEEP THIS THERE.

IT IS NO LONGER SUBJECT TO RELOCATION BASED ON WHERE THE COUNTY NEEDS ARE.

THE RESIDENTS WANTED TO HAVE THE SERVICE LOCATED IN THE TOWN. THE LAST POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE IS THAT, IF WE WERE NOT PROVIDING THE SERVICE, IT WAS 26 CALLS IN THE REPORT THAT CAME FROM STAFF. YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON ALL OF THOSE CALLS WHICH WOULD INCREASE YOUR CALL LEVEL. WE ARE PAYING THE STAFFING OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE MEDICAL SUPPLIES. YOU WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ON THE COST AND YOUR CALL VOLUME WOULD GO UP YOUR WE BOUGHT TWO UNITS. WE EQUIPPED TO UNITS AND WE HAVE SIX PEOPLE ON EVERY SHIFT.

THERE BEEN TIMES WHEN WE HAVE RUN TO RESCUE UNITS. THE CAPABILITIES ARE THERE.

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WE ARE NOT DOING IT 24/7 BUT WE UNDERSTOOD THE NEED FOR BACKUP AND THE PROTECTION MEASURE.

WE BOUGHT TWO OF THEM. SO, SOME OF THESE THINGS, ARE A BIT OF A MYTH THAT ARE BEING SAID TONIGHT. I WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT DATA TO YOU.

>> THE PART YOU LEFT OUT, THERE AE ADDITIONAL COSTS BUT REVENUE.

THE REVENUE WOULD ALSO COME WITH THE SERVICE. I BELIEVE THE COUNTY WAS WILLING TO TAKE ON THE AMBULANCE SERVICE AND THE REVENUE AND ALL OF THE COSTS FOR THE ORANGE PARK OPERATION. ORANGE PARK CHOSE TO RUN THEIR OWN SERVICE.

THAT'S GREAT. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, IT IS THE REVENUE AND COST THAT ARE AT QUESTION HERE. IF THERE IS A $400,000 HIT TO THE COUNTY FOR NOT GETTING THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FRANCHISE, THEN THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO TALK

ABOUT. >> I WOULD PREFERRED THE DECISION IS BASED ON THAT.

HOW MUCH REVENUE DID YOU LOSE. IT SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON ANYTHING ELSE.

IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT REVENUE YOU LOST, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

BUT MY GUESS IS, AS THE COUNTY GREW, YOUR CALL VOLUME SCREW AS WELL AND MAYBE IT WAS A WASH, I

DO NOT KNOW. >> THE TOWN MANAGER AS A POINT, GOING BACK TO THE YEAR WE IMPLEMENTED THIS. WE DID NOT HAVE AN EXTRA AMBULANCE SERVICE.

WE ADDED THAT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE EFFECT. DID I THINK WE HAVE TO QUALIFY.

AT THE TIME IT WAS INITIALLY BEING AWARDED, IN THAT BUDGET YEAR, WE MOVED RESCUE 702 FULL TIME. PRIOR TO ANY OF THE DISCUSSIONS, THE UNIT WAS MOVING TO A FULL-TIME STATUS. WHAT HAS BEEN PLACED IN OPERATION SUBSEQUENT TO THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL PEAK TIME THAT IS BASED THERE AND IT IS SERVICING THE GREATER ORANGE PARK AREA AND PEAK TIME COVERAGE. THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY WHERE THAT'S OPERATING.

THAT IS DONE IN OVERTIME. IT WAS A UNIT THAT WAS EXISTING IN OUR FLEET THAT WE COULD PLACE

INTO SERVICE. >> I THINK EVERYONE AGREES, THIS IS SOMETHING WE WERE INTERESTED IN GIVING BACK. GIVEN THE TESTIMONY HERE TODAY, AND THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB COVERING THE TOWN. IT HAS FORCED THE TOWN TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE WAY WE RUN

THINGS IN OUR AREA. >> AT THE NEXT BOND PROJECT WE WILL DO THAT.

>> THAT IS ONE ISSUE. ANY DOLLAR AMOUNTS WOULD BE THE SECOND ISSUE.

WHEN A SITUATION WHERE WE NEED TO GET THIS DONE BY THE 27TH OF THE MONTH.

THAT IS WHEN THE NEW C PON WOULD EXPIRE. IS THAT CORRECT?

>> THAT IS CORRECT. IF THE ARRANGEMENT WAS CHANGED IN SOME WAY, WE WOULD STILL NEED TO PLACE THAT IN AND BRING IT BACK TO THE BOARD. THAT WOULD STILL BE ENOUGH TIME

TO AWARD THEM. >> SO, WE HAVE SOME CHOICES. WE CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF CONFRONTATION AND AT THIS POINT IT IS UP IN THE AIR.

DEBBIE'S REPORT INDICATED WAS COMING DOWN FROM THE AMOUNT WE QUOTED LAST TIME.

I WILL SAY WE CAME UP WITH THE NUMBER OF 258, I THOUGHT IT CAME FROM THE OTHER SIDE, I REMEMBER WALKING IN AT THE TIME OF THE MEETING AND HEARING IT WAS ON THE TABLE.

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REGARDLESS IF THAT WAS THE WE CAN WORK THAT OUT HERE AND NOW, OR AGREE TO DEFERRED THE NEGOTIATION OF THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. THE COUNTY MANAGER CAN BRING IT BACK AND WE CAN APPROVE IT OR HASH IT OUT AT THAT TIME. THOSE ARE THE TWO CHOICES WE HAVE WE CAN MAKE. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOMEONE'S THOUGHTS.

>> TO THE NUMBERS 400. WHAT REASONABLE LOGIC DO WE HAVE TO REDUCE IT IN HALF?

LET ME ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> POSSIBLY THE SAME LOGIC AS LAST TIME.

SETTLE DOWN. I THINK I VOTED NO ON IT LAST TIME.

>> IF THE NUMBER IS 400, THAT IS THE NUMBER. UNLESS WE ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF

BEING CHARITABLE TO THE CITY. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT TO DO? >> I THINK THAT IS JUST A

PERCEPTION. >> SHOWED ME THE NUMBERS. >> WE DID.

>> YOU SAID THIS IS A PROFIT CENTER. SHOW ME THE NUMBERS.

WE JUST HAD A DEMONSTRATION. THE NUMBER IS 400,000. >> DO YOU REFUTE THAT?

>> MAY BE. >> THIS IS WHAT WE ARE USING. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK THE NUMBER

SHOULD BE? >> I GO WITH THIS NUMBER. THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU

SAID EARLIER. >> THE NUMBER IS 400. >> WE DIDN'T HAVE LIFETIME.

WHAT MADE IT HAPPEN? >> SERA KNOWS, SHE WAS HERE. >> I DID NOT GET THE INITIAL BUT MY PRICE CAME UP WITH 516,000 CONVEYED THAT AN THEY SAID DO YOU AGREE AND THE COUNSELOR GREETED WE WOULD AGREE TO 258. WHY IT WENT FROM THIS, I COULD NOT TELL YOU.

WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD NUMBER OR NOT. I AM SAYING IT IS NOT.

>> WHAT ARE THE THOUGHTS. >> IF YOU WENT TO 400 THAT'S A DIFFERENT BALLGAME.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD GO UP. IF IT WAS 258 OR LOWER IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THEY

APPROVED. >> I THINK WE AGREED TO THAT. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL CALLS WILL BE MOVING FORWARD.

WE DID THAT LAST TIME BECAUSE WE THOUGHT IT WAS A REASONABLE COUNTEROFFER BECAUSE WE DID NOT

KNOW. >> AND 40%, TO OUTSIDE OF THE MUNICIPALITY.

>> ALSO KEEPING THE REVENUES GENERATED. >> WE ARE COMING OUT OF A PANDEMIC WHEN THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE NOT GOING TO THE HOSPITAL.

>> WE DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. THE CHIEF SAID 18 MONTHS WORTH OF DATA.

I'M NOT SURE IF IT IS 18 MONTHS WORTH OF GOOD DATA ON EITHER SIDE.

INTENTIONAL QUESTION. OCTOBER THROUGH NOVEMBER TIMEFRAME IF YOU WERE OUTSIDE OF ONE OF THE EMERGENCY ROOM THERE WERE MANY PEOPLE GOING INTO ICU. THAT IS WHY WE AGREE ON THAT.

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. WE JUST HEARD THE TOWN MANAGER INDICATE, THEY WILL ACCEPT A

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LESSER NUMBER OR DISGUSTED. -- OR THEY DISCUSSED IT. IF ANYONE WANTS TO CUT A DEAL, I

AM WILLING TO LISTEN. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION WE EXTEND THE AGREEMENT AT 402.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? LET ME ASK THE ATTORNEY, DO WE NEED TWO MOTIONS, ONE FOR THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OR CAN WE DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. THIS IS AT THE 402 MARK.

SO, THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY THIS. HE MADE HIS MOTION. WE WILL VOTE ON THAT UP OR DOWN.

>> THE COUNCIL DON'T AGREE SO THERE'S NO -- I AM LOST. >> TECHNICALLY, YES.

>> SO WOULD BE DONE QUICK STANCH WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THIS MONTH TO READDRESS THAT.

>> I BELIEVE THE COUNTY IS WILLING TO TAKE ON THE SERVICE IF THE CITY DOES NOT WANT TO DO IT. WE WILL NOT LEAVE PEOPLE SICK LAYING IN BED AND CANNOT GET TO

THE HOSPITALS. SPEAK TO THAT. >> WE WENT DOWN THIRD STREET

ONCE BEFORE. >> WE NO LONGER HAVE THE AMBULANCE.

WE WILL TAKE THE UNIT THAT IS OPERATING AND TURN IT INTO A FULL-TIME UNIT TO OFFSET THAT

LOSS OF SERVICE FROM WHAT WOULD BE THEIR UNIT. >> I AM SURE THEY WOULD BE

WILLING TO SELL THEIR UNIT AT COST. >> EVEN AT A PROFIT.

I WOULD NOT SPEAK FOR WHAT THE TOWN IS WILLING TO DO. >> WE WENT DOWN THAT ROAD BEFORE AND IT WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL. I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THERE AGAIN.

I SAID AFTER THE LAST TIME, I WILL NEVER LET MY VOICE BE SILENCED AGAIN.

SO, THE BOARD WILL NOT HAVE MY BOAT ON THAT PARTICULAR MOTION. I WILL BE VOTING AGAINST IT.

EVERYONE ELSE CAN VOTE THEIR OWN CONSCIOUS. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS?

>> THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO INCREASE THE PAY TO PLAY, BY $150,000.

>> THE MOTION IS APPROVED WITH THE PAYMENT OF 402,000. >> THE FULL COST TO THE COUNTY?

>> WE ARE NOT BEING PUNITIVE HERE. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GET OUR

MONEY BACK. >> HOW MANY RESIDENTS LIVE IN THE TOWN?

>> I MEAN,, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE TOWN BUT MY CONSTITUENCY HAS TO AMBULANCES FOR THE ENTIRE

AREA. >> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD?

>> IT IS UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DESCRIBE WHETHER THEY WANT TO GO WITH THAT.

WE STILL HAVE TIME. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A

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SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED?

JERRY BOTH KNOW AS WELL, THE MOTION FAILS. >> I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE EXTEND THE CURRENT FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS AND REEVALUATE AS THE CHIEF RECOMMENDED.

>> AT WHAT COST? >> WHERE IT CURRENTLY SITS. >> IT WILL MOVE FORWARD FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE TOWN MANAGER, SHE CAN ANSWER IT.

WE WILL VOTE ON THE EMOTIONAL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED.

IT CARRIES 4-1. -- WE WILL BOAT ON THE MOTION ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ARE THERE ANY OPALS. IT CARRIES 4-1. >> THAT IN THE TIME CERTAIN SPIRIT. WE MOVED TO THE AGENDA WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER 17 WHICH WE WILL

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TALK ABOUT, LIEN REDUCTION. >> THE COUNTY MANAGER SHOULD HAVE ORDERED PIZZA.

>> I SHOULD HAVE ORDERED SLEEPING BAGS. >> I HAVE TO LIEN REDUCTION SPIRIT THE FIRST IS CASE NUMBER 19-014. 515 VAL DEARY HAD DRIED.

THIS CASE WAS ACTIVE FOR JUNK, TRASH AND MORE DEBRIS. SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS PER DAY WAS A FINE BEGINNING IN FEBRUARY, AND IN JANUARY THE VIOLATIONS WERE CORRECTED AND THEY TOTAL $51,000. THERE WERE 66 DOCUMENTS AT $20 APIECE.

SEVEN INSPECTIONS. THE STAFF TOTAL $2,020. ON FEBRUARY 4, 2021, THEY RECOMMENDED THE $51,000 LIEN BE REDUCED. HER DECISION WAS ( INDISCERNIBLE ) THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER RECTIFIED THE VIOLATIONS AT CONTINUED TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE HOME TO SELL THE PROPERTY THE NEW HOMEOWNERS HERE, SHE STUCK IT OUT.

SHE IS HERE. MANY QUESTIONS. >> IF SHE PUT THIS MUCH TIME IN,

WE WILL HEAR FROM HER. >> >> I'M HERE FOR KEVIN AND HAVE

VESTED INTEREST IN THE PROPERTY. >> HOW DID THE PROPERTY TRANSFER QUICK STANCH WE PURCHASED IT

FROM RELATIVES AND IT WAS PURCHASED THROUGH A TAX DEED. >> SO YOU KNEW ABOUT THE LIEN

BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT QUICK STANCH I PERSONALLY DID NOT, NO. >> AND YOU ARE BUYING THIS TO FLIP IF I ASSUME QUICK STANCH I AM BUYING IT. I AM IMPROVING THE AREA.

IF I DO NOT DO IT, WHO WILL. IT WILL JUST SIT THERE AND FESTER.

IT ISN'T BAD DISARRAY INSIDE. WE HAVE HAD TO GO UP THE WALLS. WATER DAMAGE.

IT DOES HAVE A POOL ON THE PROPERTY SO IT IS A HAZARD. WE HAVE HAD TO BULLDOZE THE

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FRONT OF THE YARD. WE HAVE HAD TO SCRAPE IT BACK BECAUSE IT COULD NOT BE MOWED ANYMORE. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE HOME NOW.

WE ARE READY TO PUT A ROOF ON IT. WE ARE READY TO MAKE EVERYTHING

GOING AWAY. >> I AM SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? YOU PUT A NEW ROOF ON IT QUICK

STANCH NO, WE PUT A PERMIT IN FOR IT. >> I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

>> FIRST OF ALL, THIS HOMESTEAD HAS NOT BEEN HOMESTEAD SINCE 2017.

WHY DID WE NOT TAKE ACTION ON THIS PROPERTY? >> IT WAS HOMESTEAD UNTIL JUST RECENTLY. YES, SIR. IT WAS HOMESTEAD.

AND, THIS IS ACTUALLY A CASE WE HAD IN OUR FOLDER FOR A WILE AND WORKING ON AND TRYING TO GET THE

FORECLOSURE PROCESS STARTED. >> THE OWNER, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE COUNTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, IS STILL PATRICK. WHATEVER HIS NAME IS. IT IS STILL ON THE APPRAISER'S

WEBSITE AS PATRICK'S HOME. >> THAT IS AN ISSUE ABOUT WHO OWNS IT.

THESE GUYS SAY THEY BOUGHT IT. WE HAVE PROOF THEY BOUGHT IT. HOWEVER ON THE HOMESTEAD ISSUE, I AM TELLING YOU IT WAS HOMESTEAD INITIALLY. I PROBABLY HAVE DOCUMENTATION

RIGHT TO HEAR THAT CAN THAT. THIS WAS PRINTED 2-4-20. >> TODAY IT IS NOT HOMESTEAD.

IT IS OWNED BY A PERSON WHO HAS EXPIRED, CORRECT QUICK STANCH NO.

SO. >> THE PUBLIC RECORD SHOWS IT IS OWNED BY -- THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, IT IS NOT THE PUBLIC RECORD THAT SHOWS THE TRANSFER OF THE PROPERTY.

THERE IS PUBLIC NOTICE -- >> I THINK THE PURCHASE WAS DONE IN OCTOBER.

>> I DON'T HAVE THE DATE. >> CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THE TAX ASSESSOR, WIPE THEIR RECORDS HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED? DOES ANYNE KNOW THAT QUICK STANCH THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION

FOR THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. >> THE CLERK, THE CLERK DID REPORT IT.

THE CLERK DID RECORD IT. >> MY POINT IS, WE HAVE BEEN ISSUED WITHIN THE COUNTY.

IF IT WAS RECORDED BY THE CLERK IN OCTOBER, AND IT IS MARCH AND IT IS STILL NOT ANNOTATED, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. ANYWAY, IT WENT FROM HOMESTEAD TO NOT HOMESTEAD.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY?

>> WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY WE DID NOT KNOW. WE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS AS HIGH AS IT IS. IF THAT WERE THE CASE WE PROBABLY WOULD NOT HAVE

PURCHASED IT. >> DON'T THEY DO A TITLE SEARCH QUICK STANCH THEY DO.

WE THOUGHT WE WOULD PRESENT THIS TO YOU. IF WE DO NOT, IF YOU DO NOT

GRANT US, WE CANNOT FINISH THE PROJECT. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU MAY HAVE A

PROBLEM. WHO IS THE BENEFICIARY? >> KEVIN MARTIN AND DAVID

RATCLIFF. >> KEVIN MARTIN IS THE OWNER? >> YES, HE IS ON THE TRUST.

>> DO YOU HAVE THE PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY? >> I WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE PROPERTY. I WOULD BE EMBARRASSED IF I WAS LIVING NEXT TO THEIR PROPERTY,

EVEN TODAY. >> I AGREE. >> THE RESIDENTS OF THAT

COMMUNITY HAVE HAD TO LIVE WITH THAT FOR TWO AND HALF YEARS. >> YES.

>> I FEEL OBLIGATED TO THE RESIDENCE, THAT WE ARE COMING TO CLOSURE ON THIS.

HOPEFULLY COMING TO CLOSURE ON THIS, BUT I AM OBLIGATED, AS WE ALL ARE, TO THE LIFE, LIBERTY AND PURSUIT OF THE WHOLE COMMUNITY NOT JUST ONE RESIDENT. THEY HAVE SUFFERED PROPERTY VALUE DECREASE, SELLING THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE OF THAT PROPERTY.

I AM SPEAKING TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE THE OWNER. YOU ACCEPTED THE PROPERTY.

CAN YOU ZOOM IN ON THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT. JUST SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE APPROVING. THERE WE GO. THIS IS A HOUSE.

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>> THIS LOOKS FANTASTIC. DO YOU HAVE THE PICTURES YOU SHOWED US BEFORE -- OF THE

BEFORE, YOU COULD NOT EVEN SEE THE HOME. >> YOUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO

REDUCE THE FINE TO $0. >> OR AT LEAST -- >> YOUR REQUEST IS TO REDUCE TO

$0. THAT IS WHAT THE PAPERWORK SAYS. >> I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE AROUND SHOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THE HOME LOOK LIKE IT DOES. WE ARE NOT MAKING A LOT OFF OF

THIS HOME. >> IF YOU BUY PROPERTY WITH A LIEN -- WHAT WAS IT QUICK STANCH

$51,000. >> WE ARE THE KIND OF PEOPLE? >> ALL YOU PAID WERE BACK TAXES

BECAUSE HE'S THE BENEFICIARY OF THE TRUST? >> NO, WE HAVE PAID A LOT MORE ON THIS PROPERTY. EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN DONE, WE HAVE HAD TO PAY FOR.

>> YOU PAID FOR WHAT YOU PAID FOR THE PROPERTY. YOU SAID IT WAS ON A TAX DEED.

>> IT WAS PURCHASED FROM A TAX DEED, YES. BUT I AM PURCHASING IT FROM

SOMEONE ELSE. >> I AM CONFUSED. >> YOU WERE NOT THE ORIGINAL

PURCHASER? >> I AM JUST HERE FOR KEVIN MARTIN, HE HAD HERNIA SURGERY, I DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE DETAILS OR HOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. THE.

>> OF THE REASON I AM ASKING IS THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THIS HOUSE IS $88,000.

SO -- >> IT IS INHABITABLE. I HAVE PICTURES.

IT IS NOT WORTH $88,000. >> HERE IS THE OTHER POINT AND WE DO THIS EVERY TIME WE HAVE A LIEN REDUCTION COME UP. WE SHOULD NOT TREAT THIS LADY LIKE A CRIMINAL.

SHE CLEANED IT UP. YOUR QUESTIONING IS, WHY DID YOU DO THIS, WILL YOU MAKE MONEY, SHE TOOK THE RISK OF TRYING TO MAKE MONEY. SHE HAS COME INTO TELL HER SHE SPENT MONEY TO GET IT TO A POINT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS. WE HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES.

IT GOES BACK TO THE STORY, ON ONE HAND YOU ARE SAYING THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SHOULD BE APPALLED AND SHE SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED BECAUSE SHE OWNS IT BUT SHE IS TRYING TO FIX IT. SHE HAS PERMITS IN PLACE AND SHE WILL HAVE THE PEOPLE HAPPY BE THAT THEY LIVE THERE. THE GOAL IS, ARE WE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE GOAL IS TO BE EXPECTING SO IT CAN GET BACK ON THE MARKET AND THE GUY THAT LIVES TO THE

LEFT IS HAPPY HE LIVES IN THAT HOUSE. >> THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS COME OUT

TO THANK US. >> WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO PROVE YOUR BY TREATING HER LIKE SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS WHEN SHE HAS TAKEN THE BULL BY THE HORNS AND DONE SOMETHING NO ONE

ELSE HAS DONE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> MARGOLIS TWO, EMPHASIZE THE CODE THAT WE HAVE IS REAL. IF YOU DON'T COMPLY, YOU WILL HAVE A FINE.

TO SAY, NO HARM NO FOUL, $0 AND THAT WILL RELIEVE ALL OF THE FINES, THAT IS TELLING THE

RESIDENTS, WE DON'T -- SHE DID NOT INCUR THE FINE. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> IF SHE DID NOT -- SHEEP BROUGHT -- >> SHE BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, I RESENT THE FACT THAT WE ASK QUESTIONS, AND IN ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE FACTS OF THE CASE, THAT IT IS ATTACKING A PERSON CAME. SHE CHOSE TO COME AND REPRESENT SHE AND HER PARTNER, AND SHE DOESN'T KNOW THE INFORMATION, BUT I THINK IT IS OUR RIGHT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS WHEN A CONSTITUENT CONS. I'M NOT OKAY TO SAY THAT BECAUSE I AM A NEW COMMISSIONER, I AM EXPECTED TO DO WITH THE PREVIOUS COMMISSION DID, WHICH IS AUTOMATICALLY TAKE THAT. THIS COMMISSION, HAS SET ASIDE, I DON'T THINK WE SET ASIDE

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EVERYTHING BUT WE HAVE GONE DOWN TO STAFF COSTS IN SPECIFIC CASES , BUT IT WAS AT THE MEETING PRIOR, IT WAS HALF OF WHAT THE LIEN WAS, UNDERSTANDING WE WANTED THE IMPROVEMENTS TO CONTINUE BUT WE KNOW THAT IS A BURDEN THAT IS COMING. I ALSO HAVE SAID, I KNOW I HAVE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, STAFF COSTS ARE WHAT THE STATUTES ALLOW US. SO I WANT TO BE SENSITIVE TO THAT. OBVIOUSLY, SHE SAID THEY FOLLOW THIS FOR TWO AND HALF YEARS.

I AM IN NO WAY ATTACKING THE RESIDENT WHO CAME TO SPEAK TO US BUT I DO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SAID THEY WILL SELL THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT IS WHY I WAS ASKING THE QUESTIONS. >> THOSE ARE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS ASKED. MY POINT IS, THERE IS A LIEN AGAINST THE PROPERTY IN THE INVESTIGATION PURCHASED, THERE IS TITLE SEARCHES AND THINGS I DON'T THINK WERE FOLLOWED IN THIS CASE. THERE IS A LIEN OF 50,000. WE HAVE ALREADY REDUCED IT.

NOW WE ARE REQUESTING, NOW THERE IS A REQUEST OF 0, THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

TO ME THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. THAT IS AN UNACCEPTABLE REQUEST. I WANT THE WHOLE CLAY COUNTY TO

UNDERSTAND, NO HARM NO FOUL WILL NOT WORK WITH ME. >> WE ARE NOT ASKING TO BE 0.

WE DO NOT HAVE AN ISSUE OF PAYING THE COST FOR THE STAFF. I DEFINITELY THINK THE COUNTY

SHOULD PAY FOR STAFF HOURS. >> THE APPLICATION WAS. >> WE WILL SEE IF WE CAN APPROVE THE MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION OR WE COULD NOT APPROVE EVEN THAT, LOWERING OF THE FEE.

IT IS UP TO THE BOARD'S PLEASURE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION. IF WE WOULD FORECLOSE ON THIS, AND DESTROYED THE PLACE, WHAT

WOULD THAT COST US IN REAL NUMBERS. >> WE WOULD DO IT UNDER AN ORDINANCE. WE WOULD NOT FORECLOSE. YOU ARE NOW TAKING SUBJECT TO

THAT. >> SHE SAID SHE WILL WALK AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY IF WE CHARGE

FULL RATE. >> SHE NOW OWNS IT BUT OUR LIEN STILL EXIST EVEN IF SHE BOUGHT IT. WE WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEN, YOUR COSTS AND WHEN WE

DEMO THE HOUSE, WAS IT 11-$13,000? >> SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT,.

>> IT WOULD COST A COUPLE OF THOUSAND DOLLARS. IT WOULD BE COMPARABLE TO WHAT

WE DID. >> I WOULD SAY NO LESS THAN $15,000 TO DO THE DEMO.

>> IT ALSO HAS A POOL. A MINIMUM OF $15,000. >> COULD WE HAVE DONE ANYTHING TO FIND OUT ABOUT THIS SOONER QUICK STANCH THE FILES TO RESIZE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON

IT. >> I HAVE HEARD THAT A LOT. >>

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>> THERE IS A COMPLEMENT. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ANY QUESTIONS?

IS THE BOARD'S PLEASURE AS TO WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO. >> THERE IS A REQUEST TO LOWER YOUR ASSESSMENT DOWN TO 0. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN MAKE AN ALTERNATE MOTION.

>> I MAKE A MOTION BE DENIED OF 0 AND ASSESS THE MAGISTRATE. >> THE MOTION IS WE WILL DENIED THE APPLICATION AT 0, BUT, TAKE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE REDUCED

FEE OF $2,020. >> YOU CAN DOUBLE CHECK FOR ME IF YOU WOULD LIKE.

>> THAT IS A GIFT. >> ALRIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO TITLE SEARCHES BEFORE YOU DO PROPERTY -- BY PROPERTY.

>> I DO NOT WANT TO BE HERE, HONESTLY. >> WILL PROBABLY GO BACK HOME

AND SAY DON'T EVER SEND ME BACK AGAIN. >> THIS WAS A LENGTHY TIME TO BE

HERE THIS EVENING. VERY INTERESTING. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES. >> WILL BE VERY HAPPY WITH THE

FINAL PRODUCT. >> I WILL BE CHECKING, THAT IS IN MY DISTRICT.

>> I WILL JUST AFT, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORS WHO SPOKE TO ME FREQUENTLY ABOUT THIS CASE

FOR. >> WHEN THESE GUYS STARTED CLEANING IT UP HE CALLED ME AND

SAID WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, THEY ARE CLEANING IT UP. >> I SAID THE ONLY THING WE DID WAS START ASKING QUESTIONS OF THE PROPERTY APPRAISERS ASKED QUESTIONS.

I WOULD LIKE TO THINK US ASKING THE QUESTIONS MADE THE OWNERS REALIZE, WE ARE ABOUT TO BE FIGURED OUT WITH OUR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION PIECE. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT.

BUT THE NEIGHBORS ARE ECSTATIC ABOUT THE CLEANUP. >> DO WE HAVE AN OPTION TO GO AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO COMMITTED THE FRAUD AND SAID THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION WAS THERE QUICK STANCH WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. NOW IT HAS GONE THROUGH PROBATE. THE COURT ENTERED AN ORDER.

IT HAS ONLY BEEN RECENTLY THEY WENT THROUGH AND NEEDED AN ORDER ON THE PROBATE.

>> THE THIRD WEEK OF FEBRUARY. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT. >> WOULD NOT BE CRIMINAL?

>> I WOULD BE UP FOR THAT. >> WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK TO TRACY ABOUT IT.

>> ONE THING, THEY CAN PUT A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE AMOUNT.

>> . SHE WILL NOT BE HAPPY. CHARISSE AND I CAN TALK TO

TRACY. >> LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING WITH THAT.

WE HAVE TO SEND A MESSAGE, THIS& IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. >> HE HAS TO KNOW, WE WILL DO AN

AUDIT, SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE PROCESS. >> THAT WILL HELP US I BELIEVE.

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HE WAS AT A BREAKFAST THE OTHER MORNING AND SPOKE ABOUT THIS. >> SO WE GO TO NUMBER 18.

ANOTHER LIEN REDUCTION. ITEM TWO. ROBERT WILLIAMS IS REQUESTING A PROPOSAL TO REDUCE THE FOLLOWING LIEN CASE NUMBER 20-046. PAUL WILLIAMS ENJOYS WILLIAMS ARE THE PROPERTY OWNERS BEAR THIS CASE WAS ACTIVE NINE MONTHS AND 24 DAYS FOR THE VIOLATION OF JUNK, TRASH AND DEBRIS. JUNK IN THE YARD, AND UNSECURED ROOF AND WINDOW.

A FINE OF 125 BELS PER DAY WAS IMPOSED BEGINNING AUGUST 21-2020 BY THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE.

AS OF JANUARY 5, 2021, THE VIOLATIONS WERE CORRECTED. THE LIEN'S TOTAL $17,300.

THERE WERE 69 DOCUMENTS AT $20 EACH AND SEVEN INSPECTIONS AT $100 EACH FOR A TOTAL OF $2,080.

ON FEBRUARY 4, 2021, THE MAGISTRATE RECOMMENDED THAT $17,000 LIEN BE REDUCED TO $2,000. IT WAS BASED ON THE FACT THE OWNERS ARE DECEASED AND THE SUN HAD NO ISSUES WITH THE COUNTY AND HE BEGAN TO CLEAN IT UP AS SOON AS THE FOUND OUT ABOUT THE

NOTICE PERTAINING TO THE VIOLATIONS. >> GOOD EVENING.

>> I AM ROBERT WILLIAMS I LIVE IN A 954 RAVINE ROAD. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> QUESTIONS FOR ME. THERE SHOULD BE A LETTER THAT YOU ALL HAVE, THAT I WROTE.

THE BIGGEST PART OF IT, WE HAD NO IDEA THERE WERE ANY FINES OR ANYTHING GOING ON OR THAT WE WERE IN VIOLATION UNTIL OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR. THAT GAME BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SELLING THE PROPERTY AND I FOUND A LETTER THAT HAD BEEN ATTACHED TO THE DOOR.

SO, IT WAS NOT UNTIL OCTOBER WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. WHEN I DID, WE WORKED ON GETTING THE PROPERTY CLEANED UP. LET ME ALSO SAY, I HAVE THREE ADOPTED, TWO BROTHERS AND A SISTER. THIS IS THE ONLY MONEY THEY GOT FROM MY FATHER'S DEATH.

THE PROPERTY IS PROBABLY WORTH A LITTLE OVER $40,000 RIGHT NOW. THE FINES ARE $17,000.

FROM THAT STANDPOINT I WOULD ASK, THIS WAS THE ONLY THING THEY WERE GIVEN IN THE WHOLE PROCESS. AND AS I SAID, WE HAD NO INTENTIONS OF IT BEING AN ISSUE AND THAT IT GOT THIS FAR. IF WE HAD KNOWN, I WOULD HAVE JUMPED ON IT RIGHT AWAY.

I WOULD MAKE -- YOU TALK ABOUT THAT ON VELASQUEZ. IF ANYONE WOULD HAVE CHECKED.

I'VE BEEN PAYING THE TAXES THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, HE WOULD HAVE LED TO MY DOORSTEP AND I

WOULD HAVE JUMPED ON IT RIGHT AWAY BUT I DID KNOW. >> THE NOTIFICATIONS WERE GOING

TO YOUR PARENTS. >> THEY WERE STILL GOING TO THAT PROPERTY.

IT IS A LONG STORY, BUT MY LITTLE BROTHER CORY WAS STAYING THERE.

THERE WAS ONE OF MY DAD'S REQUEST THAT THE HOUSE BE KEPT AS LONG AS A CAMP FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED SOMEWHERE TO STAY. COREY TOOK RESIDENT THAT HAD TO LEAVE FOR MEDICAL ISSUES.

HE LET THE PEOPLE HE HAD STAINED WITH THEM STAY THERE AND THEY DID A PRETTY POOR JOB OF TAKING CARE OF IT. SO, THAT IS HOW WE ENDED UP WHERE WE ARE AT.

>> I APPRECIATE YOUR HONESTY IN YOUR LETTER AND DISCLOSING THAT INFORMATION THAT WAS VALUABLE TO KNOW. I AM SORRY FOR EVERYTHING YOUR FAMILY HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH.

>> IT IS OKAY. EVERYONE HAS LANDED ON THEIR FEET.

IT IS A PROCESS. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE PROPERTY QUICK STANCH ON ONE OF THE YEARS, MY DAD DIED IN DECEMBER 2010. CORY MOVED IN THERE, AND MY DAD FIRST STARTED, THE TWO YOUNGEST KIDS MOVED IN TO OUR HOME. SHORTLY AFTER, CORY GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL, HE MOVED OVER THERE AND HAD BEEN AT THE PROPERTY. THAT WAS PROBABLY 2012.

SO, THERE WAS A YEAR WHERE NO ONE STAYED IN IT. AND IN 2012 HE STARTED STAYING THERE, AND STAYED THERE UNTIL HE HAD MEDICAL ISSUES. I MAY SAY WE HAD NO ISSUES WHILE HE WAS THERE. IT WAS ONLY AFTER HE HAD TO MOVE OUT, THAT THE PROBLEMS STARTED

WITH IT. >> HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ON THIS CASE?

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>> NINE MONTHS, 24 DAYS. >> UNTIL, NINE MONTHS AGO, IT WAS MAINTAINED ENOUGH TO NOT

HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT? >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. WILLIAMS?

>> I WOULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT. OUR OWN PROPERTY TOO. I LOOK AT IT ABOUT EVERY MONTH.

MAYBE EVERY WEEK. SO, I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW IT WAS IN

DISREPAIR, AND MAYBE NOT IN VIOLATION. >> I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS IN DISREPAIR. I KNEW THAT PROBABLY IN JUNE, I'LL BET IT WAS.

IN FACT I GOT A HOLD OF CORY AND TOLD HIM HE HAD TO GET THE PEOPLE OUT OF THERE.

I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THE FINES UNTIL OCTOBER BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT SENT TO ME.

I HAD STARTED THE PROCESS OF CLEANING IT UP. WHEN THE OFFICER CAME OUT THE FIRST TIME WE CLEANED A LOT OF IT UP. THERE WAS A CARD THERE THAT HAD TO BE REMOVED. AN ADDITIONAL STUFF DONE TO THE YARD.

I HAD -- I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF SELLING IT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN ABOUT JUNE.

THAT CAME BECAUSE I HAD GONE OUT TO THE PROPERTY. THAT'S FAIR, I SHOULD GO UP THERE. IT WAS REALLY CORY'S RESPONSIBILITY BUT THAT IS OKAY.

>> WHEN WE VIOLATE SOMEONE, WHO GETS THE NOTICE CLICKS WHO DO WE SEND THE NOTICE TOO -- TWO.

>> I'M ONE OF THE HEIRS AND I'VE BEEN PAYING THE TAXES, IF YOU WENT BACK AND CHECKED THE TAX RECORDS HE WAS HE MY NAME AND ADDRESS POP UP, BUT I WAS NOT AT THE PROPERTY.

THAT IS WHERE THE NOTICES WERE GOING TO. I NEVER GOT ANY.

I JUST HAPPENED UPON ONE IN OCTOBER WHEN I WAS SHOWING THE PROPERTY TO PROSPECTIVE BUYERS.

>> HE WENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE THEY WERE PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL.

YOUR BROTHER AND SISTERS. >> THERE ARE FOUR OF US AND WE ARE HEIRS TO IT.

FOR ME, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY TO SELL ... MY DAD DIED, BUT I WAS TRYING TO KEEP HIS WISHES

AND HAVE IT THERE FOR THE KIDS. >> WHEN WE ASK A QUESTION. YOU ARE ON RECORD AS BEING THE

TAXPAYER, OR THE OWNER? >> I'M AN OWNER. >> THEREFORE OWNERS AND I'M ONE

OF THEM. 25% OWNER. >> BUT YOUR NAME WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THE DEED FOR THE TAX FOR HER TO 0 IN ON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY.

>> THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD'VE FOUND ME IS IF YOU HAD SEEN WHERE I HAD PAID THEM.

>> DID THE TAX BILL COME TO YOU DIRECTLY? >> IT WAS GOING THROUGH THE

PROPERTY. >> THE LETTER SAYS WILLIAM AND PAUL ARE HEIRS.

[04:25:09]

SO, THAT IS WHAT THE NOTICE SAID IN JULY OF 2020. >> POLISHER FATHER?

>> YES. >> CAN I ASK, A LOT OF THIS STUFF I DID NOT SEE.

I GOT CERTIFIED LETTERS AND THEY RETURNED THEM TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE THERE WAS NO ONE THERE TO RECEIVE THEM. HERE IS ONE ADDRESSED TO PAUL AND JOYCE WILLIAMS.

I DON'T KNOW. >> NOT KNOWING ALL OF THE RULES, WHY DID YOU APPLY FOR THE HOMESTEAD EXTENSION. IF THEY WERE OCCUPYING THAT AS A HOMESTEAD.

>> WE HAVE NOT HAD HOMESTEAD ON IT. >> I NEVER FILED ANYTHING, IT WAS SHORTLY AFTER MY DAD DIED. ON THE TAX RECORD WHEN IT CAME, IT WAS SENT TO THE HEIRS.

>> SO THE COUNTY PICKED UP ON THAT. >> THEY TOOK THE EXEMPTION OFF.

>> IT WAS BY THE END OF 2011. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM THINKING. >> TYPICALLY YOU GET THE

EXEMPTION, SO PROBABLY, WHO WAS LIVING THERE,. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WILL PAY ANY TAXES. SOME WILL NOT FILE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WORTH THE EFFORT AND SOME

JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS. >> I DID NOT THINK WE COULD FILE FOR EXEMPTION, NOT BEING THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. IT DEFINITELY WASN'T MY FIRST RESIDENT SO I DID NOT THINK

ABOUT IF IT WAS ONE OF THEM. >> I THINK, GIVEN THAT GIVEN THE ATTENTION -- THIS WAS THE ONLY THING THEY RECEIVED, AND IT WAS MAINTAINED AND THE BROTHER, I THINK IF YOU READ THE LETTER, THERE ARE SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES. IT WAS OUT OF HIS CONTROL. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, IF MY BROTHER WERE IN A SITUATION LIKE THAT, THE LAST THING ON MY MIND IS WHO IS LIVING IN A PARENTS HOUSE. SO, I COULD ARGUE IT EITHER WAY BUT MY MOTION IS THAT WE GO TO 0 ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE. THIS PROPERTY IS WORTH $40,000. THEY CLEANED IT UP.

MY MOTION IS, TO WAIVE ALL COSTS. >> I WILL SECOND PERIOD.

>> THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE NOW, NO PROBLEMS. >> LET ME ADDRESS.

WHAT IS THE STATUS OF YOUR BROTHER RIGHT NOW. JG LIVES IN ORANGE PARK.

THE MEDICAL LIMITS HE HAVE IS IN THE LETTER. I PREFER NOT TO TALHE IS TAKING.

THERE IS A SHOT ON TV THAT HE TAKES ONE TIME PER MONTH AND THAT HIS HELP.

>> HE WAS HERE. I DID NOT WANT THEM TO BE HERE TODAY.

HE IS DOING PRETTY WELL FOR HIMSELF. >> AS NASTY AS WE HAVE BEEN ON

YOU GUYS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS?

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. ANY APOSTLES, IT CARRIES 5-0. >> THANK YOU MR. WILLIAMS.

[19. Acceptance of the Village Park 1B Subdivision by the County for maintenance with the creation of a MSBU (R.Smith)]

[04:30:03]

>> NUMBER 19. RICHARD SMITH, COME ON DOWN. >> ACCEPTANCE OF THE VILLAGE

PARK SUBDIVISION FOR THE MSB YOU. >> GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS A SUBDIVISION THAT ARE IN THE RAVINA PARK PROJECT. THEY HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED.

ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW. >> WAS THE DEVELOPER? >> IT IS KB HOME SPIRIT.

>> KB IS THE BUILDER. THE DEVELOPER IS, PHIL YOUNG. >> WE HAVE SEEN HIM BEFORE.

>> OKAY. WHERE IS VILLAGE PARK? IT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET

FROM LAKE ASBURY. >> SOUTH OF -- >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE

MOTION. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION, AND WE SECOND THE MOTION

TO APPROVE. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE AND AID SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> THIS IS WILLOW SPRINGS WHICH IS ON THE WESTERN AREA OF THIS.

[20. Acceptance of the Willow Springs Phase 1 Subdivision by the County for maintenance with the creation of a MSBU (R. Smith)]

THE MSB YOU HAS BEEN CREATED. ALL FILINGS ARE IN ORDER. >> THAT IS MY DISTRICT IF

SOMEONE WILL MAKE THE MOTION. >> I WILL MAKE THE MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.

IN OPPOSED CRACKS IT CARRIES 5-0. >> RICHARD ARE YOU STAYING WITH

[21. Approval of Supplemental Agreement #3 to Agreement #2016/2017-51 with Eisman & Russo, Inc. Regarding the C.R.220 Widening Project (R. Smith)]

US ON THE APPROVAL OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT NUMBER THREE, TWO AGREEMENT NUMBER 2016

/2017-51 WITH THE WIDENING PROJECT. >> THIS WILL GET THE NIGHT BOX GOING AGAIN. THIS IS A POND RELOCATION THAT WE GOT APPROVAL AND FUNDING FOR.

THIS IS MAKING SURE THAT, WE HAVE ALLOCATED IT. >> THIS IS NOT A CHANGE ORDER.

>> NO, IT IS A CHANGE ORDER BUT WE ARE NOT PAYING FOR IT. >> WHY AREN'T THEY RELOCATING

THE POND COLLECTS. >> IT WAS A DESIGN CHANGE AND THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT.

IT IS A SAVINGS. >> IT IS IN CONNECTION WITH THE INTERSECTION RIGHT THERE ON

HENLEY AND 220. >> I DESCRIBE IT AS A BOWTIE. THE INTERSECTION IS A MULTIPLAYER EASTER HAVE IS THE NIGHT BOX. THIS STOPS AT THE DOLLAR GENERAL. THE WESTERN PORTION IS BONDED PROJECT NUMBER 5.

SO, GO AND GOOD LORD WILLING IT WILL BE FINISHED BY 2024. >> ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

ARE THERE ANY OPPOSED? THE MOTION CARRIES 5-0. >> NUMBER 22 NOTICE OF INTENT

[22. Notice of Intent and Award of RFP #20/21-7, Paddleboard and Kayak Rental Stations and Accompanying Agreement with PADL, LLC. (K. Morgan)]

AND AWARD OF RFP. >> GOOD EVENING, KIMBERLY MORGAN FROM PARKS AND REC.

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE REQUESTING PERMISSION TO AWARD THIS TO A COMPANY CALLED PAD L WHICH OFFERS A STANDALONE PADDLEBOARD RENTAL STATION. WE DESIGNATED THE LOCATIONS THAT WE WISH THEM TO OPERATE FROM. WITH YOUR PERMISSION, NOT ONLY TO AVOID THAT TO THEM BUT THE