[Pledge of Allegiance]
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>>> AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK YOU TO PLEASE
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR
ALL. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: GOOD EVENING. I'M MICHAEL BOURRÉ.
I'M THE CHAIRMAN. STARTING FROM MY LEFT AND YOUR RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO INTRODUCE -- ACTUALLY, SERVE MIXED UP TONIGHT. PLEASE FORGIVE ME.
WE'LL START OFF WITH THE CLAY COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD REPRESENTATIVE JAMES FOSSA. COMMISSIONER PETE DAVIS.
COMMISSIONER BILL GARRISON. VICE CHAIRMAN RALPH PUCKHABER.
COMMISSIONER JOE ANZALONE. MARY BRIDGMAN.
BO NORTON. AND THE PLANNING DIRECTOR ED LEHMAN. AND COURTNEY GRIMM, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. DIRECTOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CHEREESE STEWART. THE COUNTY MANAGER HOWARD
>> FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE MS. CHRISTINE BLANCHETTE AND OFFICER VAUGHN WITH US THIS EVENING.
GREAT REPRESENTATION FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
DID I MISS ANYBODY? I COVERED THE GAMBIT.
[Call to Order]
THIS IS AN ADVISORY BOARD TO THE CLAY COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE DECISIONS MADE BY THE BOARD ARE ONLY THE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE B.C.C. WHO WILL HAVE THEIR FINAL SAY ATTHE NEXT MEETING. >> JANUARY 26.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: JANUARY 26.
IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ITEMS ON THE AGENDA YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON, PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AT THE ENTRY VESTIBULE. THEY LOOK LIKE THIS.
PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOU FILL ONE OUT.
AND BRING IT UP. SO THAT YOU CAN BE HEARD.
PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING AND END OF THE HEATING ARE FOR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS OTHER THAN ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA FOR THE MEETING.
YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. WE HAVE LIGHTS UP HERE.
FOR THOSE IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME.
YOU WILL SEE GREEN LIGHTS. GREEN, YELLOW AND RED.
WHEN THE RED IS ON -- THANK YOU, JIM.
GREEN MEANS YOU CAN SPEAK. YELLOW MEANS YOUR TIME IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE. ONCE THE RED LIGHT LIGHTS, I'LL KINDLY ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN. IF YOU DON'T AND YOU CONTINUE I WILL ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN SO PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYONE'S TIME. ALSO, I WANTED TO ADD THAT PLEASE REMEMBER THAT FOR THE ZONING ISSUES BEING HEARD TONIGHT, ISSUES; SUCH AS, TRAFFIC, DRAINAGE, WETLANDS AND ACCESS ARE NOT PERTINENT TO DISCUSSIONS ON WHETHER TO APPROVE ZONING. WITH THAT, I WANTED TO -- I DIDN'T HAVE MY MICROPHONE ON. I APOLOGIZE.
WITH THAT, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS BEEN VERY VALUED MEMBER OF CLAY COUNTY. A LONG TIME EMPLOYEE OF CLAY COUNTY. SOMEBODY THAT WE HAVE LOST RECENTLY. OUR CHIEF OF ZONING, MR. CHAD WILLIAMS. WE DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO PRESENT AT THE NEXT MEETING BUT I WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT FOR THOSE WHO DID NOT REALIZE OR HAD NOT HEARD THAT CHAD HAS SINCE MOVED ON AND HAS DIED, THAT HE OBVIOUSLY WILL NOT BE HERE. WE MISS HIM TREMENDOUSLY AND HE IS A HUGE ASSET, AND PLEASE TAE A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
IN THIS MOMENT, LIFT UP A PRAYER FOR CHAD AND HIS FAMILY.
OKAY. WE HAVE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES IS THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM FOR THE COMMISSIONERS.
[1. Approval of Minutes]
IF YOU HAVE TAKEN A MOMENT TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES FROM LAST MEETING I WOULD ASK FOR YOU TO DO SO NOW.AND IF SO, WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MOTION.
>> COMMISSIONER: MOVE THEY BE APPROVED.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY
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>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: ALL THOSE OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
WE'RE GOING TO ENOUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.
[Public Comment]
AGAIN THIS IS A THREE-MINUTE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ANY INDIVIDUAL THAT WANTS TO COME UP.YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.
WE'LL OPEN THAT UP RIGHT NOW. SEEING --
>> TURN A CARD IN. JAMES OTTO.
JAMES OTTO. 2908 BLANEY BOULEVARD, MIDDLEBURG, FLORIDA. I REMEMBER THE DAY THAT CHAD STARTED. SAD TO SEE THAT.
HE WAS A REALLY NICE GUY. I SAID THAT AT ONE OF THE OTHER MEETINGS. AND I REALLY MEAN THAT.
SO, I'M NOT WEARING THIS COAT BECAUSE I'M BAPTIST.
I'M WEARING THAT COAT FOR MR. SMITH.
WHO CAME AND SPOKE TO Y'ALL ABOUT PUTTING A DUMP IN CLAY COUNTY. IT'S BETTER FOR OUR NATURAL RESOURCES. AND IT WOULD BE A CHEAPER WAY OF DOING IT. THEY TALK ABOUT THE GUN RANGE AND TRYING TO SAVE SOME MONEY EARLIER TODAY.
WE REALLY NEED TO GET THE PUBLIC COMMENTS CALL-INS.
THE CALL-INS FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT STARTED AGAIN.
I WAS TRYING TO GET MY COURT DATE IN PERSON.
YOU CAN'T DO IT. IT'S GOT TO BE VIRTUAL.
SO, THERE IS REALLY NO GOOD REASON THAT YOU ARE NOT LETTING THE PUBLIC CALL IN FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
YOU ARE NOT ALLOWING THEM TO DO THEIR RIGHT TO SPEAK TO THE OFFICIALS. SO, I ASK THAT THAT BE RELOOKED AT. THE C.A.R.E.S. ACT ISN'T BEING SPENT RIGHT. I ASK FOR THE PUBLIC RECORDS FOR CITIZENS THAT WERE REFUSED. I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET THAT FROM CHAD. CELLA, HIS WISH LIST, NEED TO BE REMOVED. THESE ARE HARD AND DIFFICULT TIMES. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GREAT PRIOR MANAGER THAT REALLY WORKED ON THE TRAILS AND STUFF.
YOU KNOW, MISS COPALUSUS. THAT IS THE REPRESENTATION WE NEED. THEY TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE FINANCE MEETING THAT IS ON STREAMING VIDEO ABOUT COUNTY-OWNED PROPERTY AND HOW THE JAILER SHOULD BE OUT THERE.
BUT IF WE GO OUT AND WE LOOK AT THE VIDEOS WITH THE ALCOHOL BEING GIVEN TO JAILERS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, WE, THE CITIZENS SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE THOSE JOBS AND DO THEM.
WHO WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE? THE CITIZENS HERE OR THE ONES THAT ARE IN JAIL TAKING CARE OF THE PARKS? I CAN TELL YOU I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE CITIZENS THAT WANT TO WORK AND TAKE CARE OF THOSE PARKS.
SO, I WOULD BEG TO DIFFER WITH THAT.
ALONG WITH THE $25,000 THEY CHANGED TO 50 FOR THE COUNTY MANAGER. EVERYTHING SHOULD BE APPROVED OVER $25,000. THAT IS TOO MUCH.
THEY CUT DOWN ALL THESE TREES OUT HERE IN AD MIN PARKING LOT.
THERE WAS NO GOOD REASON FOR THAT.
THOSE WERE GOOD TREES. IS THIS THE GUY THAT IS GOING TO GET ANOTHER YEAR'S CONTRACT? YOU SHOULD CUT ROOTS OUT AND THIN THE TREES OUT. YOU HAD A LAWSUIT BECAUSE SOMEBODY TRIPPED IN THE PARKING LOT.
WHEN I HAVE BEEN TELLING Y'ALL FOR FIVE YEARS TO MAINTAIN THOSE TREES. SO THEN YOU GO AND TEAR UP THE WHOLE PLACE AND SPEND BUCKOO MONEY FOR NO REASON.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: YOUR TIME EXPIRED.
>> GOOD FOR PADDLEBOARDING. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: THANK YOU, MR. OTTO. BE RESPECTFUL OF THE TIME,
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COME UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? SEEING NONE WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE TO THE ONE PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
[1. Public Hearing To Consider Rezoning Application Z-20-11 AR to RB]
PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REZONING APPLICATION Z-20-11FROM A.R. TO R.B. >> THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING CHANGE IN ZONING FROM A.R. TO R.B. PARCEL WAS 21.3 ACRES.
PROPOSED FLUM. YOU HEARD THE FLUM A FEW MONTHS AGO AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR THE TRANSMITTAL BY THE BOARD.
WENT TO THE STATE. WE EXPECT COMMENTS BACK IN TIME FOR IT TO BE ADOPTED AT THE JANUARY 26 BOARD MEETING.
SO WE'LL BE PLAN FOR THAT TO BE ADOPTED AND THE REZONEING WILL BE ADOPTED CONSISTENT WITH THE AMENDMENT.
APPLICATION REQUEST CHANGE OF ZONING FOR 26 DWELLING UNITS BUT IT COULD BE TOTAL OF 63 DEVELOPED GIVEN REQUESTED ZONING. HERE IS LOCATION.
AGAIN, THIS IS AT THE 90-DEGREE CURVE.
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IT'S KIND OF BISECTING THE PROPERTY.NORTH/SOUTH DIRECTION. THERE IS THE AERIAL.
YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A NUMBER OF THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS AROUND THERE. IF YOU GO BACK AT THE OTHER -- GO BACK TO THE OTHER MAP REAL QUICK.
YOU CAN SEE SOUTH OF THE P.U.D. AT WILLOW SPRINGS IS A THREE-UNIT PER ACRE SUBDIVISION OR VERY LARGE SUBDIVISION.
THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT. TO THE WEST ON 315 IS THE SARATOGA SPRINGS DISHR.I. THIS AREA OF THE COUNTY IS EXPERIENCING RAPID GROWTH. AND THE FEES, DENSITIES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED GROWTH AROUND THERE.
THERE THERE IS THE AERIAL. IT'S VACANT LAND RIGHT NOW.
WE REVIEWED THIS AND DECIDED IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN.
IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING AREA.
WILLOW SPRING TO THE SOUTH AND SARATOGA SPRING TO THE WEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION Z-20-11.
ONE CAVEAT TO THE APPROVAL IS WE TALK TO THE APPLICANT AND WE COULD LIKE HIM TO ADDRESS WHY R.B. WAS REQUESTED INSTEAD OF R.A. GIVEN THAT R.A. WOULD GIVE YOU TWO UNITS AN ACHIER TO YIELD YOU THE TOTAL NUMBER OF -- ACRE TO YIELD YOU THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ACRES PROPOSING WITH THE PROPERTY. WE ARE RECOMMENDING FOR APPROVAL OF R.B. BUT WE WANT THEM TO ADDRESS WHY R.A. WAS NOT
REQUESTED. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: THANK YOU, MR. LEHMAN. WE'LL OPEN UP NOW QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TO THE STAFF. I'M GOING TO START THE QUESTION OFF WITH DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT WITH THE PROPOSED OR REQUESTED ZONING THEY WOULDN'T HAVE 26 SINGLE FAMILY UNITS THEY'D HAVE
BUT THEORETICALLY THERE IS NOTHING TO PREVENT THEM TO DEVELOPING TO THE ZONING APPROVED TONIGHT AND YOU COULD GET UP TO THREE UNITS AN ACRE. ASSUMING THAT ALL LAND IS DEVELOPABLE. PROBABLY NOT TOTAL OF 63 BUT IT
WOULD BE MORE THAN 26. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: ALL RIGHT.
QUESTIONS. >> I HAVE ONE, MR. CHAIR.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER: WHAT IS THE
MAP INCLUDED IN THE MOCKUP? >> IT'S IN THEIR APPLICATION.
>> WHAT IS IT? IT SHOWS DEVELOPMENT OF 130
LOTS. >> I'LL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS THAT. IT WAS PART OF THE APPLICATION.
LET ME SEE. MAKE SURE IT'S THE RIGHT MAP.
THEY SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
>> COMMISSIONER: SO THAT IS NOT RELEVANT.
IT'S JUST HISTORICAL? >> IT'S HISTORICAL INFORMATION.
>> COMMISSIONER: THANK YOU. THAT WAS THAT I THOUGHT.
THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PAST BY THIS BODY?
>> THE PLAT GOES BACK TO THE 1920S.
>> OH, BACK IN THE 1920S. >> YES, MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER: OKAY. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: OKAY.
RALPH, I'M SHOCKED. >> VICE CHAIRMAN PUCKHABER: ED
BEAT ME TO MY QUESTION. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: OKAY.
IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF WE'LL, WE'LL ASK THE APPLICANT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THE
COMMISSION. >> GUEST SPEAKER: YES, I'M KELLY HARTWIG. I'M THE AGENT FOR THE APPLICATION. I DO WANT TO ADDRESS.
WE HAVE ALWAYS SUPPLIED MAPS. WE HAVE MET WITH THE OWNERS OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. IT'S 26 LOTS.
THE ONLY REASON IT'S R.B. IS BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY REASON I CAN GET 26 LOTS THE WAY WE DID CALCULATIONS AND MET WITH THE STAFF. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME.
IT'S 26 LOTS. 100-FOOT APIECE.
WE REDESIGNED IT AS BEST WE CAN TO SATISFY THE NEIGHBORS AND ADD IT ALL THERE. NO PROBLEM WITH ANYBODY PUTTING A RESTRICTION SAYING IT CONEVER BE 63.
NEVER GOING TO BE. IT WILL BE 26 LOTS.
THAT MAP IS FELLOWSHIP PARK. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IT SHOWS UP EVERY TIME WE DO THE PROPERTY AROUND GREENCO THIS IS A PLAT DONE IN THE '20S. IT HAS A BAD HISTORY.
WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT LEGALLY SO IT SHOWS UP UNDER THE SURVEY.
THERE IS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. BUT I PROVIDED THE COUNTY AND THE NEIGHBORS WITH A MAP OF THE 26 LOTS.
THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. NOTHING MORE.
THE ONLY REASON WE ARE DOING 26 IS BECAUSE CLAY UTILITIES IS MAKING US PUT WATER AND SEWAGE. OTHERWISE WE'D DO LESS.
BUT THEY WON'T ALLOW IT. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?
>> I DO. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: PLEASE.
>> COMMISSIONER: YOU SAID 100-FOOT LOTS IS WHAT YOU ARE
>> COMMISSIONER: 100-FOOT WIDE?
>> 100 FOOT WIDE. SOME OF THEM ARE AS MUCH AS THE
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200 FOOT DEEP. >> COMMISSIONER: R.A. HAS A SIDE SETBACK IF I REMEMBER RIGHT OF 25 FEET.
IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK IT'S 25 FEET.
R.B. IS 15 FEET OR 10 FEET. >> IT IS, YEAH.
>> COMMISSIONER: DO YOU NEED THE SETBACK FOR ANY REASON?
>> IF YOU DO 25 ON EACH SIDE IT ONLY LEADS 50-LIGHTFOOTPRINT.
THAT IS NARROW. THAT MAY BE WHY THEY WENT TO THE R.B. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DENSITY. WE COULD HAVE WRITTEN A P.U.D.
IT'S JUST MORE WORK. THIS IS SIMPLER WAY TO DO IT.
IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO DO IT. THIS IS THE WAY WE DO IT IN THE
CODES. >> COMMISSIONER: YEAH, R.A.
HAS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER SETBACK FOR THE FRONT AND DEEPER SETBACK FOR THE SIDE. IT MAKES THE HOUSES FURTHER
APART. >> ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE AGREED TO WITH THE NEIGHBORS IS THE FRONT SETBACK WILL BE SET AT 35 FOOT ON JEREMY'S LANE TO MOVE THE HOUSES FURTHER OFF THE JEREMY'S LANE TO KEEP THEM SO WE CAN GET LONGER DRIVEWAYS.
MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS PLENTY OF THE OFF-STREET PARKING FOR
THE HOUSES. >> COMMISSIONER: OKAY.
MY ONLY -- WELL. I'LL WAIT UNTIL COMMENTS.
THANK YOU. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SO I'M SORRY, I WAS GOING TO --
>> IT'S ALL RIGHT. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: WHAT SIZE LOTS WOULD YOU BE DEVELOPING? WHAT IS THE AVERAGE SIZE?
>> THEY RUN ANYWHERE FROM 15,000 SQUARE FEET TO 20,000 SQUARE
FEET. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: OKAY.
AND THE LOTS THAT ARE IN JEREMY'S GLENN, HOW BIG ARE
THOSE? >> I THINK THE SMALLEST LOT IN
JEREMY'S GLEN -- >> HALF ACRE.
SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: OKAY.
>> IF I COULD, TOO, THE R.A. THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS 17,400 FEET.
SO MAYBE THAT IS ANOTHER REASON THEY TOOK THE R.B. BECAUSE THE LOT SIZE FROM 15 TO 20 WOULD BE INCLUSIVE OF THAT SIZE THEN AND
ALLOWED IN R.B. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: OKAY.
OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF IT. AGAIN, ANYBODY THAT COMES UP TO SPEAK DURING THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AND NOT ANYTHING ELSE. THERE IS THREE MINUTES.
>> YOU LIKE TO SAY THAT A LOT. YOU DO.
SO, I DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY IMPRESSED --
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> YES, SIR. JAMES OTTO 2908 BLANEY BOULEVARD. ON RECORD.
DEFINITELY BETTER AND APPRECIATE THE LESS AMOUNT OF THE DWELLINGS. THAT IS DEFINITELY A GREAT THING. I DIDN'T CATCH WHAT AREA THIS WAS IN. WHICH DISTRICT.
BUT I KNOW TWO-FIFTHS OF THE COUNTY IS GETTING $129 MILLION OF LOAN THAT THE WHOLE COUNTY GOT TO PAY FOR.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: MR. OTTO, HOW DOES THIS PERTAIN TO THIS
AGENDA ITEM? >> WE GOT MSPUS THAT WE GOT TO PAY FOR ON OUR SIDE. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW WE ARE GOING TO GET TAX MONEY TO PAY FOR THIS.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: MR. OTTO, MR. OTTO.
YOU JUST STATED YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY IS.
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YEAH. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: EXCUSE ME.
HOW DOES WHAT YOUR ARE SAYING PERTAIN TO THIS AGENDA ITEM?
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: THE WHOLE COUNTY IS GETTING $129 MILLION LOAN. AT ABOUT $30 MILLION IN INTEREST. SO IT PERTAINS TO THE WHOLE COUNTY. WHEN YOU ARE ADDING BUILDINGS, AND APPROVING STUFF AND WE DON'T EVEN SEE THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY BACK TO LIKE 1946 AND IT JUST KEEPS COMING IN AND THEY WANT TO DO THIS AND DO THAT.
THEN IT SOUNDS GREAT BECAUSE IT'S ONLY THIS.
I HAVE BEEN COMING TO THE MEETINGS FOR A LONG TIME.
YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE DRAINAGE.
BUT YET -- >> IS THERE A DRAINAGE ISSUE ON
THIS PROPERTY? >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I'M TRYING TO GET TO FIGURE THAT OUT. I DON'T SEE A MAP UP HERE.
I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A MAP OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS.
IT'S THE ONLY ONE ON THE AGENDA TODAY, RIGHT?
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: IT IS THE ONLY AGENDA ITEM.
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ON THIS, IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ON THIS ITEM
I'LL ASK YOU TO PLEASE SIT DOWN. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I DO.
I'M IN CLAY COUNTY. I DON'T APPRECIATE THE WAY I HAVE BEEN TREATED HERE. I'M ASKING FOR A MAP OF WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I CAME TO THIS MEETING TONIGHT BECAUSE YOU REFUSE PUBLIC COMMENT BY CALL-IN.
SO I CAME HERE TO MAKE MY COMMENTS.
OKAY, I CAME A LONG WAY. I'M GOING TO BE HERE FOR THE LEGISLATION MEETING TOMORROW, TOO.
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I WOULD SUGGEST AND ASK OTHER PEOPLE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT.BUT THIS ADDING GROWTH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE FULL AMOUNT THAT THEY ARE WANTING, THEY ARE STILL ADDING GROWTH.
SO I DON'T SEE HOW I CAN'T COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT DRAINAGE PROBLEMS AND WHY OUR SCHOOLS AREN'T BEING TAKEN CARE OF BUT
THEY THINK THEY ARE "A" RATED. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS AGENDA ITEM, MR. OTTO.
MR. OTTO, I HAVE BEEN PATIENT. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YOU ARE NOT
GETTING IMPACT FEES. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: THERE ARE
IMPACT FEES ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: YOU JUST
CHANGED -- >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: THERE ARE IMPACT FEES ON THE NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM I WILL ASK YOU TO
SIT DOWN NOW. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: I KNOW THERE ARE. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. I KEEP COMING TO THESE AND YOU ARE ALSO SUPPOSED TO GIVE US A ROAD TRIP SO WE CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. YOU KNOW, WE GOT A RIGHT TO KNOW
THIS KIND OF STUFF. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. THANK YOU.
PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. ALL RIGHT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE AGENDA ITEM? WE HAVE TWO CARDS UP HERE. THANK YOU.
THE FIRST IS FROM RUSSELL OAST. I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM.
IS THAT FOR THIS ITEM? [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO COME UP WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS,
PLEASE, SIR. >> PUBLIC SPEAKER: COMMISSIONERS, I'M RUSSELL OAST, 3120 MICHELLE COURT.
IN GREEN COAST SPRINGS. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION OF JEREMY'S GLEN.
I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR EACH ONE OF THESE MEETINGS.
WE HAVE HAD A FEW MEETINGS WITH KELLY.
THE 26 LOTS CONCUR WITH WHAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT THAT IS KIND OF WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO. IF ANYTHING CHANGES -- THE ONLY REASON I WAS HERE TODAY IS WE WERE HERE TALKING ABOUT I GUESS A LAND USE ZONING CHANGE A FEW MONTHS AGO.
SO I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT THESE CHANGES WERE.
THEY WEREN'T ON THE LETTER. BUT I UNDERSTAND NOW GOING FROM THE AGRICULTURAL BASICALLY TO -- I THOUGHT IT SAID BUSINESS.
BUT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTIAL. "B" VERSUS "A." WE UNDERSTAND THAT. THE ONLY THING WE WANT TO KNOW AS WE GO THROUGH THE MEETINGS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHEN IT GETS TO IMPACT ON OUR SUBDIVISION -- FOR INSTANCE, THE CHARM OF OUR SUBDIVISION IS THE DRIVE-IN WITH ALL THE TREES.
KELLY AND I DISCUSSED THAT AND HE WILL TRY TO LEAVE ALL THE TREES HE CAN THAT ARE NOT IN THE FOOTPRINT OF PUTTING THE 14 PROPERTIES THAT ARE UP AND DOWN JEREMY'S GLENN.
WE ALSO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT VALUES.
WE HAVE GOT, WE HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE NOW.
WE HAVE A HOME THAT IS SUPPOSED TO CLOSE ON THE 20TH FOR $600,000 IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT HELPS.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD COME IN TO DETER THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES. THAT IS ALL I WANT TO DO.
MAKE SURE WE ARE ON RECORD. HE MENTIONED THE SAME THING ON RECORD HERE WITH THE 26 LOTS. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE EXPECTING.
WE JUST NEED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT THAT IS GOING TO GO TO 60. THAT WILL BE MORE LIKE THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS JUST UP A MILE FROM US ON THE 315B.
OKAY. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: MR. OAST, IF I MAY ASK A QUESTION. SINCE YOU AND MR. HARTWIG HAVE BEEN IN CONVERSATION, ARE THEY GOING TO ABSORB -- THIS IS MORE OF A CURIOSITY THING THAN A PLANNING AND ZONING.
ARE THEY GOING TO FOLLOW THE SAME H.O.A. GUIDELINES THAT YOUR COMMUNITY HAS OR WILL THEY BE TWO SEPARATE ONES?
>> PUBLIC SPEAKER: WE TALKED ABOUT THEM MIMICKING OURS OR LOOKING AT OURS AS A DRAFT. THEY WILL NOT BE PART OF OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION UNLESS THEY WANT TO DISCUSS THAT.
WE ARE NOT AGAINST THAT. BUT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK ON THE BOARD. BUT WE HOPE WE'LL BE CLOSE.
THE ONLY SLIGHT DIFFERENCE WE HAVE IS RIGHT NOW HE HAS MENTIONED 2,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM VERSUS 2,400 WHICH IS IN OUR BYLAWS. WHICH WERE AMENDED I THINK IN 2006. WE CAN TALK.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STARTED DRAFTING THE BYLAWS.
IF KELLY H HASN'T, THEY ARE WELCOME TO USE OURS SO WE ARE ALL IN THE SAME. HOUSING.
WE HAVE HALF ACRES. HE MAY HAVE SOME IN THE BACK WHERE HE HAS A CUL-DE-SAC IF GOES AS PLANNED AND MAY BE SMALLER THAN A HALF ACRE. WHAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN AND WILL HAVE MORE CURVE APPEAL GOING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I THINK WE SAW IN THE LAST ONE THAT WERE LIKE 106 FEET OR 108 FEET WIDE? IS THAT RIGHT? ONE OF THEM, THE EAST SIDE, I THINK 220 FEET OR 225 FEET.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT.
WE HAVE ONE OTHER COMMENT CARD FROM RICHARD VALETTE.
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[INAUDIBLE] ALL RIGHT.VERY GOOD. ARE THERE ANY OTHER FOLKS THAT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP DURING PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY.
WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK TO THE
COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONER: MR. CHAIR? I WOULD BE GLAD TO MAKE A MOTION AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. IF THAT OKAY.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: ABSOLUTELY.
>> I'LL MOVE THE STAFF REPORT. >> SECOND.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: FIRST AND SECOND.
I JUST WANT TO GET A FEW THINGS ON THE RECORD REAL QUICK ABOUT THAT. I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN ABOUT THIS BEING R.B. ZONING BECAUSE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN -- WHAT IS IT JEREMY'S GLEN IN THE BACK? JEREMY'S GLEN. ONCE YOU SEE THIS START TO COME OUT OF THE GROUND, YOU CAN FEEL PRETTY SAFE ABOUT IT.
BUT IF SOMETHING HAPPENED TO THIS DEVELOPER BEFORE THAT OCCURRED, THE NEXT PERSON THAT CAME IN AND GRABBED THIS PROPERTY WOULD ONLY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE R.B. ZONING.
IT WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD.
SO WE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF FAITH IN THE DEVELOPER TO GO THROUGH WITH WHAT HE SAYS HE IS GOING TO DO.
UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVEN'T ALWAYS SEEN THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE SEEN THIS DEVELOPER BEFORE.
SO, TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD FOR RIGHT NOW.
BUT IT IS THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR.
IF EVERYTHING GOES ACCORDING TO PLAN I THINK YOU WILL BE HAPPY.
BUT THERE IS ALWAYS THE OPTION FOR IT TO GO OFF THE RAILS.
YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR EYE OPEN FOR THAT.
THAT'S ALL. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND.
WE'RE IN DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION POINTS? JIM?
>> THAT IS IN THE CHARLES E. BENNETT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ATTENDANCE ZONE. IT'S EXPECTED TO GENERATE 13 STUDENTS AND IT'S ALSO IN THE GREEN COAST JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL.
IT'S ALSO IN CLAY HIGH SCHOOL'S ATTENDANCE ZONE.
GENERATING ABOUT NINE STUDENTS. THEY ALL HAVE CAPACITY.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE?
ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: OPPOSED, SAME SIGN.
WE'LL MOVE TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS OPEN PUBLIC HEARING. I'M SORRY.
IS THERE ANY OLD BUSINESS? >> JUST REAL QUICK, I THINK
[Old Business/New Business]
EVERYONE HERE APPLIED FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD IS SCHEDULED TO HEAR THAT NEXT TUESDAY. AND SO FEBRUARY WILL BE THE REORGANIZATION MEETING OF THIS GROUP.I WANT TO REMIND YOU. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: GREAT.
THANK YOU FOR THAT. ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL OPEN UP THE LAST PUBLIC COMMENT.
[Public Comment]
FOR ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT.I WANT TO REMIND Y'ALL THAT THE FOLKS FROM TALLAHASSEE ARE COMING HERE. COMING HERE FROM TALLAHASSEE.
OUR REPRESENTATIVES. BRADLEY KICKED ME OUT OF THE MEETING AT THE KNOTTS BUILDING OVER A SHIRT I GOT MADE AT THE ORANGE PARK MALL. THAT IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
ALL RIGHT. R.B., I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT TINY HOMES ON WHEELS. I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE R.V. WAS, THAT ZONING YOU GOT.
COMMISSIONER JIM AT THE MEETING EARLIER TODAY.
HE DIDN'T GET HIS PAPERWORK AGAIN UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
DIDN'T GET HIS PAPERWORK AGAIN UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
THIS IS AN ONGOING THING WITH CLAY COUNTY WHERE THEY GIVE THE COMMISSIONERS THE PAPERWORK AT THE LAST MINUTE.
THEN THEY HAVE HAVE TO VOTE ON IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON IT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE YES OR NO. YOU CAN REFUSE TO VOTE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION IN THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO, I ASK THEM TO DO THAT IF THEY DON'T KNOW.
NOW, BROSKY AT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS CROSSING HIS FINGERS HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS.
THAT IS VERY UNFORTUNATE. HE IS ALSO PUSHING FOOTBALL, WHICH IS VERY UNFORTUNATE. K-12, WE SHOULD BE REMOVING FOOTBALL. IT'S CHILD ABUSE.
HOW CAN YOU TEACH KIDS TO WEAR MASK ON TOP OF IT WHEN YOU ARE RUNNING THEM IN TO EACH OTHER? IT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE.
SO, THE TAXPAYERS ARE PAYING FOR HOME BUY-OUTS.
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THEY WERE LAUGHING ABOUT THAT. THAT WAS ON NUMBER NINE THIS MORNING. WHEN YOU GUYS ARE OVERBUILDING.AND THEN BUYING UP HOUSES FOR $300,000 WITH THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. THIS IS WAY OUT OF HAND.
THE DOLLAR PARK, THEY DIDN'T SAY HOW MUCH THE PARK LEASES THEY WERE CANCELING TODAY WERE. THEY ARE A DOLLAR.
DOLLAR FOR A SEASON. DOLLAR FOR A YEAR.
WHATEVER IT IS. IT'S WAY TOO, IT WASN'T ENOUGH.
THE FOOTBALL, THEY DIDN'T EVEN CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES.
THE BASEBALL, THE SOCCER, THOSE TYPE OF ORGANIZATIONS ARE CLEANING UP AFTER THEMSELVES. BUT THE FOOTBALL PEOPLE COULDN'T CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES. I ASK THAT THE CITIZENS TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE SPENDING THEIR MONEY ON.
DON'T ABUSE YOUR KIDS, DON'T RUN THEM IN TO EACH OTHER.
WE HAVE THREE LEGISLATORS. ONE OF THEM WAS ON THE BOARD, B.C.C. TRAVIS CUMMINGS.
WE GOT ANOTHER ONE RIGHT OUT HERE IN THIS BOARDROOM.
THAT IS ALL THEY CARED ABOUT WAS FOOTBALL WHEN THEY SAT UP THERE.
THAT WAS THEIR MAIN PRIORITY TO S TO GET THE KIDS IN FOOTBALL.
JUST LIKE CELLA'S WISH LIST. IT'S NOT TIME FOR A WISH LIST.
FOR THE FAIRGROUND AND FOR A BALLPARK THAT WE ALL DIDN'T WANT. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT TIME FOR
THAT. >> CHAIRMAN BOURRÉ: MR. OTTO, YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU, EVERYONE, FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING. LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING EVERYBODY IN JANUARY. HAPPY NEW
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.